The Matt Walsh Show - August 27, 2020


Ep. 552 - The Media Narrative In The Jacob Blake Shooting Begins To Crumble


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

188.41275

Word Count

8,115

Sentence Count

519

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary

The media narrative in the Jacob Blake shooting is falling apart, as the truth emerges. The story we were originally told appears wrong or misleading on a number of key points, but it doesn t matter to rioters who consider truth to be in irrelevant detail to them. Also, a nun at the RNC convention last night sent in to do battle against the DNC s fake nun. And in our daily cancellation, I cancel the New York Times for an article that asks us to feel sorry for men who get caught by police while trying to have sex with children. Yes, really.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the media narrative in the Jacob Blake shooting is falling apart.
00:00:04.160 As the truth emerges, the story we were originally told appears wrong or misleading on a number of
00:00:09.840 key points. And we'll talk about that today, but it doesn't matter to the rioters who consider
00:00:13.400 truth to be in irrelevant detail to them. And same for the media. Also, five headlines,
00:00:18.340 including the nun at the RNC convention last night sent in to do battle against the DNC's
00:00:23.840 fake nun, spiritual battle. And there was a clear victor, I think. And in our daily cancellation,
00:00:27.900 I will cancel the New York Times for an article that asks us to feel sorry for men who get caught
00:00:34.000 by police while trying to have sex with children. Yes, really. All of that coming up and much more.
00:00:39.480 Packed show today, a lot to cover. We will begin here. Only hours after the shooting of Jacob Blake
00:00:45.380 by Kenosha police, the narrative had already solidified. That's all it takes these days.
00:00:49.480 Sometimes not even hours. A narrative can take shape in mere minutes. But in this case,
00:00:54.180 in spite of the fact that all we had to go on was a short video of police shooting a man while he
00:01:00.060 leaned inside his car, the media had rendered its verdict. Jacob Blake was an unarmed victim,
00:01:05.460 gunned down by police after he stopped to innocently break up a fight between two other people.
00:01:11.340 Well, there were questions, though. Was he unarmed? Was he breaking up a fight? Why was he reaching into
00:01:17.580 the car? What exactly happened between Blake and the police right before the shooting? And why were the
00:01:23.680 police there in the first place? These were open questions. And now the answers to those questions
00:01:28.920 are finally coming to light. And, you know, it should not surprise us that the answers don't
00:01:35.000 line up with the narrative, as they so rarely do these days. So let's go through what we know.
00:01:40.740 First of all, according to Wisconsin media outlet Madison 365, which obtained audio from the police
00:01:45.760 scanner on the night of the shooting, Blake's girlfriend had called 911 to report that Blake was
00:01:51.260 at her home and was not supposed to be there and had taken her keys and wouldn't give them back.
00:01:56.740 Police responding to the scene were informed that Blake had an open warrant for his arrest. It had
00:02:01.060 been previously reported rather quietly by the media that Blake was wanted for sexual assault,
00:02:05.340 trespassing and and domestic abuse as well. Now, this fact alone doesn't directly vindicate the
00:02:12.660 officers, but the scanner audio is significant for a few reasons. First of all, it shows that the
00:02:19.280 eyewitnesses who claimed that Blake was breaking up a fight were wrong. Those eyewitnesses were
00:02:25.560 apparently lying. Or if we want to be generous and see the best in people, assume the best,
00:02:30.100 we'll say they were mistaken. The police were summoned to the scene because of apparently Blake's
00:02:35.680 own actions. Of course, it shouldn't be a revelation that eyewitness reports are often unreliable,
00:02:40.600 especially where high profile police shootings are concerned. We should always keep in mind that the
00:02:44.160 Black Lives Matter organization rose to prominence on the back of false eyewitness reports in Ferguson
00:02:49.580 about Michael Brown putting up his hands and yelling, hands up, don't shoot. If it wasn't for
00:02:55.100 that original false report and false narrative, who knows where we'd be today? Would we have all of
00:02:59.820 this chaos in writing? I don't know. Unfortunately, there's even more reason, though, these days to doubt
00:03:04.800 eyewitness reports as these shootings are not happening in a vacuum. Witnesses on the scene know
00:03:10.820 what sorts of things they should say in order to frame the narrative in an unfavorable light for
00:03:15.920 police. We don't know if the apparent false information in this case was intentional or not.
00:03:22.120 But the temptation to give false information in this intensely anti-police environment must be very
00:03:28.840 strong. This is only added on top of the well-established fact that eyewitness reports in general are
00:03:35.200 incredibly inaccurate. And that's something that we've known for a long time. Also, the fact that
00:03:42.540 Blake had apparently taken someone's keys raises more critical questions about what he was doing
00:03:49.020 when he walked to the car where his kids were reportedly sitting and opened the door with police
00:03:53.540 guns trained on him. Was he reaching for something? Was it even his car? Did he intend to drive away?
00:04:00.020 Now it seems there could have been potentially more than one reason why police would want to open fire
00:04:05.640 or would have a reason to open fire. If he was going for a weapon of some kind, that would be clear
00:04:09.860 justification for an equal response from police. If he, as a wanted sexual and domestic abuser, was
00:04:15.240 about to flee the scene with a van full of kids, possibly involving the children in a dangerous high-speed
00:04:20.560 chase, that could be another reason for police to stop him by whatever means necessary. Or if the police had
00:04:25.760 reason to suspect, good reason to suspect either of those possibilities, and that could be a reason
00:04:31.380 for them too. And then the other shoe dropped later on, yeah, later yesterday. The Wisconsin DOJ
00:04:36.080 finally released some information that filled in most of the rest of the puzzle. We're told that when
00:04:40.240 police arrived on the scene, they tried to arrest Blake. He resisted. They tried to use non-lethal
00:04:45.020 measures, a taser. He resisted that too. He told them he had a knife in his possession. He went to his car
00:04:51.660 while they screamed for him to stop. He reached. They shot. Then they recovered a knife on the floorboard
00:04:57.200 of his car. So it's a review. Wanted domestic abuser. Girlfriend calls police on him. Police come
00:05:05.020 to make the arrest. He resists. Fight back. Fights back. Goes to his car. Reaches in. Knife is recovered.
00:05:12.340 Was he already holding the knife? Was he reaching for it? Was he reaching for something else and the
00:05:16.440 knife just happened to be there? There are still aspects of the story that remain unclear, but it's a very,
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00:07:03.940 Now that the truth is coming out about the Jacob Blake shooting,
00:07:08.440 you would expect maybe if you didn't know any better that that would make a difference to the
00:07:13.540 rioters. Of course it doesn't. It doesn't make a difference to them or anybody else on the left
00:07:16.940 because truth and conclusions drawn have no necessary relationship. All they care about are
00:07:23.100 anecdotes and stories. It could be an out-of-context anecdote. It could be a completely
00:07:26.960 false anecdote. None of that matters. And the problem is that when people think this way,
00:07:32.520 that generalized conclusions can be made based on random cherry-picked anecdotes, it's almost impossible
00:07:38.360 to reason with them because these are by every definition unreasonable people. Either not capable
00:07:44.080 of or simply not interested in engaging in any kind of critical analysis at all. Here's a great
00:07:50.280 example of that problem. Lots of people have sent me a video which supposedly shows that the Blake
00:07:55.420 shooting was racist. It's not a video of that shooting. It's a different police incident. And one
00:08:02.200 tweet of this video sent to me meant to debunk my take on the Blake shooting has over 20,000 retweets.
00:08:08.420 And the caption says, I mean, here's a video of a white man doing the exact same thing and not being
00:08:12.920 shot once, let alone seven times. Let's take a look at the clip. Watch.
00:08:16.420 He's trying not to use his gun.
00:08:37.960 Okay. So you have this supposedly revealing contrast there. In one case, the white guy gets
00:08:55.520 in the car, chases after the cop, gets in another car, doesn't get shot. In the other case, the black
00:08:59.820 man reaching into a car does get shot. What does that prove? Well, absolutely nothing at all of
00:09:05.620 relevance. All it proves is that in the first case, that particular police officer didn't shoot.
00:09:12.280 And the other, those particular police officers did. Now, if you could show me that the first
00:09:18.040 officer in the first case has fired on black people in the same situation, then you might have
00:09:24.280 something. But what you would have there is only an indictment of that particular cop, not cops
00:09:29.620 generally. These are mere anecdotes, different people, different places, different times,
00:09:34.620 different situations. And two can play at this game. That's the problem with drawing conclusions
00:09:39.440 from anecdotes. Anyone can do it. And then it becomes an anecdotal battle, flinging anecdotes
00:09:44.980 back and forth across the divide as we huddle in our trenches. If I wanted to, I could show you the
00:09:50.520 police shooting of Daniel Shaver, a white man, gunned down, unarmed, on his knees, begging for his
00:09:55.280 life. I could juxtapose that against video of a black man being much more aggressive and not being
00:10:01.380 shot by cops. Maybe I could show you a rioter throwing a brick at police or something like
00:10:06.020 that. Remember that police officer who was bashed in the head with a brick by rioters in Kenosha on
00:10:10.220 Sunday night? You might not remember it because it's already like it never happened. We don't talk
00:10:13.340 about it. But the attempted cop killer in that case didn't get shot. I don't know what his race was,
00:10:19.080 but it's a thing. I don't even know if he's been arrested. So could I look at that and draw some
00:10:23.720 kind of conclusion about the way cops responded? No, I can't. I've merely shown that in one case
00:10:31.600 something happened and in another something else happened. To make more general statements and to
00:10:39.380 form conclusions on a larger, less isolated scale, that's when you enter the realm of statistics and
00:10:46.800 you need huge sets of data and then you need to compare that data set against the other data set and
00:10:51.840 you have to make sure that you've set parameters and you've taken all the various factors into
00:10:56.920 account that might skew your results. Now, as it happens, I have done that. Others have done it
00:11:03.220 too when it comes to the issue of supposed systemic racism in policing. You can look at the number of
00:11:08.320 black people arrested in a given year versus white people. You can look at the percentage who wind up
00:11:12.720 getting shot by police. If you do that, you'll find the percentage is nearly identical between white and
00:11:17.380 black people. You can look at the overall number of unarmed police shootings every year for all races
00:11:22.920 and when you do that, you'll find that it's quite a rare occurrence and most of the supposedly unarmed
00:11:27.200 shootings, or many of them anyway, aren't really unarmed at all because the unarmed person was using
00:11:32.060 some other weapons such as a vehicle to inflict harm or threaten officers. You can do that. I've done it.
00:11:37.400 It's the only way to confirm or disconfirm claims about systemic bias and racism.
00:11:42.740 One other brief point, since we're on the subject of knocking down anecdotes,
00:11:48.160 let's do one more because this one is one that I see a lot and it's pretty annoying because it's
00:11:52.580 so ridiculous. And you've probably seen this too. Here's an example, a tweet from a guy named Austin
00:11:56.820 Duke saying, so the F what Matt, it still doesn't justify seven damn shots. What's so hard to understand
00:12:02.420 about that? When a mass murderer is taken to Burger King in the country, in this country, but black folks
00:12:07.600 dying over $20 in cigarettes, that's a problem. Seven shots isn't acceptable and we won't accept that.
00:12:12.740 Now, this is a reference, of course, to Dylan Roof, who is the racist mass murderer. The point being
00:12:19.660 made here, again, a common point is that Dylan Roof killed nine black churchgoers in Charleston and yet
00:12:25.600 was taken alive while, insert whatever cherry-picked example, Jacob Blake, George Floyd, et cetera,
00:12:30.740 was killed or shot. But what are the differences between these cases? You might say Roof was white.
00:12:39.500 That's the difference. Okay. Sure. Maybe under normal circumstances, they would have shot the mass
00:12:45.480 murderer dead, but decided not to because he's white. Maybe. Or maybe he survived, Roof did,
00:12:54.520 because he surrendered peacefully. And maybe most, the vast majority of these high-profile police
00:13:00.600 shootings end up being police shootings because the suspects in question do not surrender peacefully.
00:13:06.020 Perhaps that's the difference. And that would explain why, for example, the Beltway snipers,
00:13:12.080 black mass murderers, killed 17 people in a racially motivated killing spree, were also taken alive
00:13:17.400 because they also surrendered peacefully. A great many black killers, white killers, Asian killers,
00:13:22.860 Hispanic killers, all kinds of killers have been taken by police alive. And the reason is usually that
00:13:28.880 they surrender peacefully. Now, certainly there are some criminals who don't surrender peacefully and are
00:13:33.840 still taken alive. And if you have proof that black criminals who don't surrender peacefully are
00:13:39.980 significantly more likely to die than white criminals who don't surrender peacefully, then show me that
00:13:45.280 proof. The burden of proof is on you as the person making the claim. If you cannot meet the burden of
00:13:50.260 proof, it is reasonable for me to conclude that the thing which most determines a person's fate when
00:13:54.400 they're being arrested is how they choose to act in that moment. And that really makes a lot of sense when you
00:14:01.300 think about it. But why do I waste my breath? None of this matters to the people advancing the narrative,
00:14:09.140 which is why they will continue to protest for Jacob Blake, raise him up as a hero in spite of whatever facts
00:14:16.840 are known or become known in the future. I mean, my God, they rioted in Minneapolis last night after a wanted
00:14:22.860 murderer killed himself as police closed in, committed suicide. Even that somehow is police brutality.
00:14:29.780 The truth is irrelevant to these rioters and insurrectionists. They only want to destroy.
00:14:35.460 They are filled with hatred, envy, and aggression, and they will take any excuse they can find to let
00:14:40.560 it out. But the truth remains all the same, and we have to continue to speak it and defend it and let
00:14:46.620 its banner wave because someone in this country has to still care about the truth. And that's the only hope
00:14:54.440 we really have. Let's get to five headlines.
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00:17:12.380 So the RNC convention last night, night three, I hosted our all access watch party. I think we had
00:17:17.240 a good time. Um, and I was really happy that our all access members had an opportunity,
00:17:21.460 uh, you know, had the special treat of listening to me all night. So that was wonderful for them.
00:17:28.680 And there were even a few good speakers during the convention as well. I thought, um, now I'm,
00:17:33.740 I'm biased admittedly, but I, I thought the star of the night, the best speech was from sister
00:17:40.780 Deirdre Byrne. Uh, she's an army colonel, a doctor and a nun. It's kind of sounds like the beginning
00:17:46.500 of a joke, but it's all, it's all rolled into one. So she's all of those. And she got up to speak
00:17:51.420 and she did not disappoint at all. Take a listen. While we tend to think of the marginalized as living
00:17:56.780 beyond our borders, the truth is the largest marginalized group in the world can be found
00:18:02.440 here in the United States. They are the unborn. As Christians, we first met Jesus as a stirring
00:18:09.840 embryo in the womb of an unwed mother and saw him born nine months later in the poverty of the cave.
00:18:17.440 It's no coincidence that Jesus stood up for what was just and was ultimately crucified because what
00:18:23.960 he said wasn't politically correct or fashionable as followers of Christ, we are called to stand up
00:18:30.380 for life against the politically correct or fashionable of today. We must fight against a
00:18:37.700 legislative agenda that supports and even celebrates destroying life in the womb. Keep in mind, the laws
00:18:45.580 we create define how we see our humanity. And we must ask ourselves, what are we saying when we go
00:18:54.100 into a womb and snuff out an innocent, powerless, voiceless life? As a physician, I can say without
00:19:01.340 hesitation, life begins at conception. That's, that's awesome. And you know, I mean, you know, I'm going to
00:19:07.280 like that. That's, that is right in my wheelhouse. And I have to tell you, just so you know, if you're
00:19:14.300 not Catholic, what you just saw there, that's a real nun. Okay. She's got the habit. She's defending
00:19:22.560 the unborn. She's very kind and gentle, but you get the impression that she could whoop your ass if
00:19:27.520 she needed to. So those are, those are nun vibes. Okay. It's total nun vibes. Contrast that with the fake
00:19:33.160 nun at the DNC, dressed like a secretary praying to the sky goddess or whatever she was doing.
00:19:39.580 So, you know, just all you need is that contrast. And I know which nun I'm going to choose in the
00:19:44.320 celebrity death match. Other than that, I thought there were other good moments, some good speeches.
00:19:50.980 I also thought there were missed opportunities. And I think there have been some missed opportunities
00:19:54.040 all throughout this, the RNC convention. Now they, yeah, they've talked about supporting the
00:19:58.080 police. They've talked about the riots and chaos. They've talked about law and order. I think
00:20:01.380 there should be an even greater emphasis on that. I mean, we are right now, the RNC convention is
00:20:06.540 happening. They got three hours of primetime coverage while, um, Democrats are burning down
00:20:12.800 the city in Kenosha. And, you know, and so I think that, I think there's a real opportunity there
00:20:18.300 to focus in intensely and show people what's happening. And, you know, in, with, with,
00:20:25.340 with specificity, not just saying, Oh, right. At this point, when you say rioting, it almost
00:20:30.280 doesn't mean anything to people. We're numb to it. I think you need to get into specifics and talk
00:20:34.840 about specific things that are happening and then call out Democrats by name who refuse to condemn it
00:20:42.580 or who, uh, or who have actually actively encouraged it. There's been a little bit of that. Some of that,
00:20:50.160 I think there should be more. Okay. Number two, CNN has been a parody of itself, of course, for years
00:20:54.860 now, but what I'm about to show you is so embarrassing and disgraceful that the phrase
00:21:00.660 beyond parody scarcely begins to cover it. Watch what you're seeing behind me is one of multiple
00:21:08.480 locations that have been burning in Kenosha, Wisconsin over the course of the night. A second
00:21:14.460 night since Jacob Blake was seen shot in the back seven times by a police officer. And what you are
00:21:22.240 seeing now, these images came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the
00:21:27.380 daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations
00:21:32.800 in the face of law enforcement. It wasn't until night fell that things began to get a little bit
00:21:36.940 more contentious. Things were thrown back and forth. Police started using some of those crowd
00:21:41.900 dispersal tactics like tear gas, even playing, uh, very loud sounds to push them out. And then
00:21:48.280 what you were seeing, the common theme that ties all of this together is an expression of anger
00:21:52.740 and frustration over what people feel like has become an all too familiar story playing out in
00:21:58.900 places from across the country, not just here in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Fiery, but mostly peaceful
00:22:06.900 protests. CNN says as a literal fire rages in the background. Um, I, I, I'm, you know,
00:22:14.140 it makes you wonder like if they were reporting live from the Titanic, a pleasant cruise, but a little
00:22:21.100 damp, probably what they would say. You know, people sometimes ask questions like, is there really
00:22:26.460 anything new about biased media? Uh, you know, did having a media more interested in propaganda than
00:22:32.400 truth? Is that new? I mean, has it, and the answer is no, of course it's not. As long as there has been
00:22:36.260 anything like a news media, it's been biased and, and there's been propaganda. I think the difference
00:22:42.180 now, um, between now and other periods in the past is that these days, the media really just has
00:22:50.180 no concern for the truth at all, period. They aren't even worried about looking like they're telling
00:22:55.160 the truth. And this largely is a reflection of our post truth culture where relativism reigns supreme
00:23:01.100 and, uh, many of the people in this country honestly believe that truth is fluid and can be
00:23:07.200 whatever they want it to be. And the media reflects that. Um, and I think the media in fact reflects it
00:23:11.980 more than it drives it. The media is a symptom of the underlying, you know, moral relativism, uh, not,
00:23:19.920 not more than it is a, a, a cause of that. Let's go to number three. As you probably heard by now,
00:23:26.000 the 17 year old who killed two rioters, Kyle Rittenhouse is his name, has been arrested and
00:23:30.200 charged with first degree murder. Um, and now we, we haven't seen, here's what it comes down to for
00:23:39.740 me. First degree murder is the charge. We haven't seen as far as I'm aware, any video that shows
00:23:48.080 anything other than self-defense. There are multiple videos out there of, of Rittenhouse and of the two
00:23:53.680 incidents that occurred. Um, now if, if there's something floating around out there, evidence of an
00:23:59.320 actual first degree murder, I haven't seen it. And I've looked that there's still a question mark
00:24:05.340 here, a pretty big one. The second shooting, the one that was caught vividly and close up on camera,
00:24:12.060 that to my mind, clearly self-defense, non-controversial. He's falling, they're chasing.
00:24:18.120 One of the rioters also has a gun. Um, he falls, they try to pounce on him. He gets, you know,
00:24:23.500 then he opens fire, self-defense all the way. Uh, I think, I think that part of it, any defense
00:24:29.540 attorney is going to have no problem handling that. You could hire me as your, as your defense
00:24:33.500 attorney. My, my, my legal education involves watching Better Call Saul. That's all I got.
00:24:39.040 And even I could probably get you clear on those charges, but then you have the first shooting.
00:24:44.240 Um, and that's the one that wasn't clearly caught on tape. As far as I know, I think from what we have
00:24:49.520 seen, there are strong indications of self-defense, but you know, I, I, I don't think we fully know
00:24:54.580 yet. Here's what we do know though. Sadly, Kyle Rittenhouse is screwed no matter what, even if
00:25:03.060 he's innocent, which you very may well, he, he may, he, uh, he very well may be, but even then he's
00:25:10.340 still, he's still screwed because our media and system is rigged against people like him. And they're
00:25:16.460 going to, they're going to make an example of him. You know, it's all the people talking about
00:25:21.700 problems in the system. They're right. There are serious problems in the system. It's just not the
00:25:27.420 problem they're talking about. Number four, the New York post reports that a taxidermist in England
00:25:33.260 has now unveiled, uh, his latest work. It's called potable high five machines, and they're made using
00:25:40.080 limbs, uh, from rodents, uh, apparently. And, uh, reading out from the article, it says his
00:25:47.080 inspiration came from wanting to help people who like to celebrate and greet each other with a high
00:25:50.600 five, but are concerned about doing so during coronavirus. He said, um, they're called potable
00:25:55.280 high five machines that are, and are made out of rat legs. He said, I've been skinning rats to make
00:26:00.120 other things, but I accidentally tore off one of the legs when I was making an, I was making an
00:26:04.160 abominable snowman, which have heads made from rat scrotums. I don't want to waste it or just throw
00:26:10.100 it into my tub of odd, odd toes and scraps of ball sack. So I thought, so I thought it might be nice
00:26:16.220 to make a portable high five machine. Okay. Well, that makes sense. Personally, I don't know why you
00:26:23.460 wouldn't take your tub of toes and ball sack and make like a nice stew or even a dip, uh, for your
00:26:29.840 Tostitos to serve when your fellow serial killers come over for the game on Sunday. Um, now let's
00:26:36.320 take a look at this creation here. There it is. There's the, the high five machine. Absolutely
00:26:43.540 horrifying. Imagine waking up tied to a chair in somebody's root cellar and you look around and
00:26:51.260 you see that, you see that right there. What would you think? And then you look to the other side of
00:26:58.260 the room and you see little snowmen made from rat scrotum. And then you say to the other person
00:27:03.820 tied up in the room with you, Hey, it looks like that snowman is made from a rat scrotum. And they
00:27:09.440 say to you, how can you so easily identify a rat scrotum? And you say, because this is my basement
00:27:16.340 and then you take out your ax and kill him. Twist ending. You didn't see that coming. Got a little
00:27:22.500 dark there at the end. All right. Um, number five, finally, a video has gone viral. I'm not sure who this
00:27:27.740 girl is, or even if this is supposed to be a joke or not, but, uh, people are taking it seriously
00:27:31.860 and, uh, and, um, are, are mocking this girl. My perspective on it might surprise you a little
00:27:37.900 bit. I don't know, but first watch this. I was just doing my makeup for work and I just wanted
00:27:43.720 to tell you guys about how I don't think math is real. And I know that like, it's real because we
00:27:49.980 all like learn it in school or whatever, but who came up with this concept? And you're like Pythagoras,
00:27:55.020 but how, how did he come up with this? He was living in like the, I don't know, whenever
00:28:02.160 he was living, but it was not now where you can like have technology and stuff, you know?
00:28:07.760 Like he didn't even have plumbing and he was like, let me worry about Y equals MX plus B,
00:28:12.880 which first of all, how would you even figure that out? How would you like start on the concept
00:28:18.360 of algebra? Like, what did you need it for? You know? Cause like I get like addition, like,
00:28:24.540 Hey, if I take two apples and then on three, it's five, you know, but how would you come up with the
00:28:30.280 concept of like algebra? Cause what would you need it for? You know what I mean? Like, what would you
00:28:34.820 need it for back then? You didn't need it. So why would you come up with it? Now, of course,
00:28:40.420 people are sharing that and mocking her for being an idiot. Uh, that seems to be the consensus,
00:28:44.580 but I'm going to, I'm going to unironically, and I have to say that because no one can ever tell
00:28:48.680 when I'm being ironic or not. So unironically, I will defend her here because what she's posing
00:28:53.880 is actually a very intelligent question and one that philosophers and mathematicians have been
00:28:59.000 debating for thousands of years. In fact, the people that are calling her stupid have only revealed
00:29:02.720 their own stupidity. You know, oftentimes you can tell how dumb someone is by how they react
00:29:12.100 to an abstract point or question like this. Oh, that's a stupid question. No, it's just you're
00:29:17.080 stupid. So you don't understand why that's actually a really intelligent question. Um,
00:29:22.220 is math real? That is not a stupid Einstein wondered about the same thing. Was he stupid?
00:29:28.120 There is a debate about whether math is innate to the universe, a fun, you know,
00:29:32.800 sort of a fundamental facet of reality or whether it's a human construct. In other words,
00:29:38.320 is math invented by people or did we discover it? Entire philosophical theories have been built
00:29:45.200 around the idea that math is not innate, um, that it was invented, which is what the girl here is
00:29:51.180 suggesting. And I don't happen to agree. I think math is, math is innate and mathematics is just the
00:29:56.120 process of noticing and sort of attaching symbols to these innate patterns in the universe. So math is
00:30:01.700 real, but symbolic. Uh, you know, we use a little sideways M to denote the fact that there are three
00:30:07.880 units of something. Um, we could use any symbol for that. So that's symbolic, but it is still a fact
00:30:13.460 and, uh, that there are three or whatever word and symbol you want to use to denote it. But what the
00:30:20.240 girl is demonstrating here is a capacity for abstract thought. Um, just the practice of taking something
00:30:27.980 basic and questioning why it exists or if it exists or why it needs to exist. That's a capacity that I
00:30:37.380 think we should encourage in young people. And I think one of the problems with the public education
00:30:40.920 system is that it's not encouraged. You know, if you're in math class and you're learning algebra
00:30:45.200 and you raise your hand and say, you know, and start asking philosophical questions about
00:30:51.400 whether this is, you know, a fundamental pattern of the universe or whether this was invented or what's,
00:30:57.480 what's, you know, there's not going to be time to get into that with you. And you're just going to
00:31:01.240 be told to shut up and do your, do your assignment. Um, but these are exactly the questions that I think
00:31:05.760 young people should be encouraged to, to think about and talk about. I think most people never
00:31:11.060 wonder about these things because they're not intellectually curious and their brains can't
00:31:14.480 deal very well in the abstract. But when you see this, uh, I think when we see this in kids,
00:31:20.420 we should encourage it and not go, you moron, what an idiot and make farting noises in their faces.
00:31:26.040 I don't think that's the right response when young people are asking abstract questions.
00:31:32.920 That's just me though. That's my thought. All right. Um, we're gonna get to our daily
00:31:37.680 cancellation, uh, right now for our daily cancellation. We're going to cancel, uh, the
00:31:45.140 New York times for a lengthy article, quite lengthy, must be 8,000 words or more just published.
00:31:50.020 Um, just published yesterday. Here's the headline convicted of sex crimes, but with no victims and
00:31:55.780 online sting operation to catch child predators, snared hundreds of men. But what were they really
00:32:00.660 guilty of? Now, if you think that those of us who warn of the normalization of pedophilia and the
00:32:05.640 sexualization of children are suffering from paranoid delusions, you should really pay attention
00:32:09.740 here. The article, uh, talks about a sting operations conducted by law enforcement to catch
00:32:14.420 sex predators. And it focuses especially on, um, operation net nanny, which is the initiative in
00:32:19.920 Washington state where sex predators are lured to a house to catch a predator style and arrested.
00:32:25.600 Although it's not on TV, this is all just a law enforcement operation, but it's quite clear that
00:32:30.740 the, the, the writer of this article, Michael Winnerip, uh, wants us to feel sorry for these men who get
00:32:36.320 caught. And he appears to see this tactic of trapping potential sex predators as unjust and unfair,
00:32:41.440 and we should pity them for it. Um, I will say that throughout the article, he does raise a few
00:32:46.720 interesting points. One thing that he dwells on is the fact that in many cases, men who actually
00:32:51.600 molest and rape children get lighter sentences than men who get caught up trying to molest kids
00:32:57.500 in these sting operations. And I would agree that men who actually molest kids should get longer
00:33:02.520 sentences in the same way that a murderer, uh, a murderer should get a longer sentence than an
00:33:07.180 attempted murderer. Right. But the answer in my opinion is extending the sentences for the child
00:33:12.960 rapist, not shortening the sentences for the attempted child rapist. So an example that he gives
00:33:19.040 is of a man who had, who raped a 13 year old repeatedly over the course of a year admitted
00:33:23.840 to molesting two of his siblings also, but got, um, then, then was his sentence was a minimum of
00:33:29.940 seven years. Meanwhile, another man who got caught in a sting operation trying to meet with an 11 year
00:33:34.920 old for sex got a minimum of 10 years. Now, yes, that that's absurd. The rapist ought to have gotten
00:33:40.940 more than seven years. How about 70 years instead? Um, I don't think child rapists should ever see the
00:33:46.700 outside of a prison ever again, but a guy who tries to meet an 11 year old for sex, even if there is
00:33:51.600 no 11 year old, because it was an undercover cop the whole time is undoubtedly a threat to society
00:33:56.320 and should consider himself lucky to only get 10 years in prison for that. So this is the way the
00:34:02.460 article is kind of set up. And it starts right off the bat, giving us an extremely sympathetic
00:34:07.100 portrait of a man who wanted to rape a 13 year old girl. Um, here is, uh, here's the picture of the
00:34:13.840 man along with his mother. So I think that gives you a good idea, pretty good idea of, of how the
00:34:17.220 New York times wants us to view this guy. And let me read a little bit of this to you. Okay. It says
00:34:22.520 Jace Hembrick worked as an apprentice laborer during the weeks, uh, renovating homes around
00:34:29.180 Vancouver, Washington and at neighborhood gas stations on weekends. Much of the rest of his life
00:34:34.040 was online. He was hardcore amassing a collection of more than 200 games. People told him, uh, it wasn't
00:34:39.620 smart to be so, so cut off from reality, but his internet life felt rich as a dungeon master and
00:34:45.000 dungeon dungeons and dragons. He controlled other players destinies as a video warrior. He was known
00:34:50.700 online by his, by his, uh, nickname and was constantly messaging fellow gamers, particularly
00:34:56.560 his best friend, Simon, though the two had never met in person over the last few years. They paired up
00:35:01.420 as teammates playing rainbow six siege and rocket league and grew close. Um, this is, this is all
00:35:09.560 in crucial information that we need about this guy at 20. Hambrick was still living at home with his
00:35:13.700 mother, big surprise there, uh, to save money for college where he hoped to study game design.
00:35:18.220 He was a voracious reader who could knock off a thousand page fantasy novel in two days,
00:35:23.460 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, et cetera. Uh, giving us his whole life story. And then finally
00:35:27.740 one Friday after work in February 2017, Hambrick came across a casual encounters W4M women searching
00:35:35.620 for men post that seemed meant for him. Uh, just gamer girl sitting home on Sunday. It read,
00:35:41.740 we can chat as long as I'm not leveling. I don't even know what that means. As long as I'm not
00:35:47.020 leveling. Hambrick emailed back. Sounds like fun. What game you play in? Uh, I am hooked on alien
00:35:52.360 isolation. Gamer girl replied, forget sex. Hambrick wrote, let me come watch. Uh, let me come watch.
00:35:58.880 I haven't gotten that one yet. Adding that he was 20, 15 years, 15 minutes later, gamer girl replied
00:36:04.960 that she was 13. Hambrick was confused. Why did you post an ad on Craigslist? If you're 13, you mean
00:36:11.100 23? She asked for his cell phone number and they switched to texting, exchanging photos. Gamer girl was
00:36:17.860 beautiful. He thought if he wasn't being pranked, big eyes, cute white cap, soft smile, gazing up at
00:36:23.700 the camera serenely with a really nice set of headphones. They exchanged a few texts about sex.
00:36:29.340 I can be real bad if you're into bondage. He typed, but he was already hoping for more than just sex.
00:36:34.640 I don't get out much. He texted. Uh, I feel like if we get to talking, I, it might go somewhere.
00:36:39.900 You're beautiful and a gamer. I might have no problem hanging out with you. That's cool.
00:36:44.960 So gamer girl replied, and then it gets into even more graphic stuff, uh, with the guy talking about
00:36:49.520 what he wants to do to her sexually, uh, do that is to a girl who told him that she's 13.
00:36:55.160 Now back to the article, it says, was this an elaborate game? Again, she claimed to be 13.
00:37:00.920 The photo seemed to tell a different story and the gaming chair she was seated in looked too
00:37:04.600 expensive for a kid. She, well, parents could have bought it. You know, she used slang. A 13 year old
00:37:10.220 probably wouldn't know like FTP. It means F the police that originated in eighties hip hop. Oh yeah.
00:37:15.820 I'm sure there's no 13 year olds that know that the vulgarities and snide tones seem to adult. Her
00:37:20.120 texts were full of LOLs. Was she an immature teenager or a sly adult? Her driving direction
00:37:26.640 seemed too specific for 13. Hamburg texted that he would be driving a red Prius, his mother's
00:37:31.400 and gamer girl replied that she would be wearing a gray sweatshirt and ripped jeans. It was a 20 minute
00:37:35.320 drive to the house. Um, after stopping for condoms, he arrived at seven, 7 PM, three and a half hours
00:37:40.600 after their first email, she came to the door just as she'd said in torn jeans and sweatshirt. And, um,
00:37:47.660 and then, uh, it goes on and then he goes inside and that's when Chris Hansen shows up or, you know,
00:37:53.780 whoever's standing in for Chris Hansen. Um, you know, the cops come out and, uh, and, and all of that,
00:38:00.520 and they live happily ever after or the rest of us do. And he went to prison as he should. And the
00:38:05.240 New York times wants us to feel badly about that because after all, he was never actually talking
00:38:09.660 to a 13 year old and he didn't, he didn't think that she looked 13 and, uh, she knew how to give
00:38:15.540 driving directions. What 13 year old can do that? And she uses LOL. Apparently 13 year olds don't do
00:38:21.460 that. Of course, none of this makes any sense. She told you she was 13. What you thought this was a
00:38:26.720 grown woman pretending to be 13 and thus trying to attract child rapists because she's into that sort
00:38:33.460 of thing. Now I'm sure there are freaks out there in the slimy dregs of cyberspace who are into that,
00:38:38.080 but that excuse just doesn't cut it and shouldn't. A girl told you she was 13. You came over to have
00:38:45.400 sex with her. End of story. Goodbye. Enjoy prison. Um, the article makes much of the fact that these
00:38:52.940 guys who get caught in these things aren't really soliciting minors for sex because they're actually
00:38:56.880 talking to undercover cops. It also tells us that a lot of the predators don't have a criminal history
00:39:01.560 and many of them don't have child porn on their computers. We're supposed to be impressed by that
00:39:05.920 apparently. And then it sort of skims over other things that are, that seem relevant. Like the fact
00:39:11.780 that half of the men caught in this Washington sting operation were trying to meet children 11 years old
00:39:17.220 and younger, which makes them pedophiles by definition. Now, yes, there can be gray areas when
00:39:23.400 it comes to who ends up on the sex offender registry. Uh, you hear about cases, for example, of say an 18 year
00:39:28.480 old in a relationship with someone a few years younger than him ending up on the registry, even
00:39:33.640 though they're so close in age, they could have gone to high school together. Now that is unjust.
00:39:37.980 I think most of us can agree and wrong, but that's not what we're talking about here. 20 year old and a
00:39:42.100 13 year old, no gray area, no mitigating circumstances, grown men looking to meet 11 year olds,
00:39:49.540 no gray area. These are sex predators, plain and simple. What about using these sting operations to
00:39:55.440 catch them? Well, um, you know, is there something unfair about that? Does it matter that they aren't
00:40:01.880 actually chatting with a real child? No. And no. First of all, if you're told that she's 13,
00:40:08.280 you're perfectly free and able to say, Oh, nevermind. You shouldn't be on this site, kid.
00:40:13.880 Go tell your parents and walk away. There's no entrapment here because you aren't being trapped at
00:40:19.580 all. You're not backed into a corner. You can walk away. Second, catching predators and enforcing
00:40:25.420 the law against child molestation and rape and sex crimes. That's very difficult. Um, these are not
00:40:31.400 easy laws to enforce precisely. The problem here is that so often the laws are enforced retroactively
00:40:37.240 and the, after the crime has been committed, but then in that case, the damage has already been done
00:40:42.280 to the child. So now we're punishing a predator and protecting the next victim, but it's too late to
00:40:47.780 protect the first victim. So law enforcement tries to devise ways to protect even the first victim,
00:40:52.760 to smoke these guys out and get them behind bars before they're able to successfully hurt a child.
00:40:59.360 This isn't pre-crime like the minority report. You are catching people who are actively trying to
00:41:05.540 commit a crime. It's just that they're trying to commit it in, you might say, a controlled environment.
00:41:10.640 It's no different than a woman who gets a murder charge for trying to hire an undercover cop to kill
00:41:15.220 her husband. The point obviously is that if the undercover cop hadn't been there, she would have hired a
00:41:20.120 real hit man. And then we'd be arresting her after the poor sap she's married to is already six feet
00:41:25.460 under. So what's going on here of all the problems in the world of all the injustices to expose.
00:41:33.060 Why are we getting a novel length article telling us about the trials and tribulations of men who
00:41:37.580 tried to have sex with pubescent or prepubescent children? Well, it goes back to what we said at the
00:41:42.400 top. There is in my estimation, a noticeable effort, um, underway in our culture to normalize
00:41:49.600 pedophilia and sexualize children and to paint the men who prey upon children as victims of an
00:41:54.540 overzealous and prudish system. This is just another example of that, of many. And the examples
00:42:01.240 are only increasing. And that is why, uh, with great vengeance, we must cancel the New York Times
00:42:08.020 again. All right. We'll leave it there for today, guys. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.
00:42:12.820 Have a great day. Godspeed.
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