The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 58 - There Is No Such Thing As A Pro-Abortion Conservative

00:00:00.000 Well, it's great to be back. That's a lie, of course. It's not great at all. It's deeply, darkly depressing to be back from vacation. But we did have a good vacation. We're up in New Hampshire. I did quite a lot of fishing. And I did pretty good. I posted a picture on Facebook of one of the bass that I caught. It was, you know, I'd say around six pounds. I didn't measure it.

00:00:22.160 But I put it up. I put the picture on Facebook for like the four people who might care. It's there so you can go see it. But it was fun. Did a lot of fishing and hung out and with the family. And so now I'm back. And we'll just dive right into it.

00:00:36.760 Tommy Lahren gave her final thoughts over the weekend where she explained that conservatives need to stop with the whole abortion thing. We just need to quit it with the abortion already. We need to stop trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, you know, because she's uncomfortable with the fact that there's been this discussion of overturning Roe v. Wade now that we're getting Trump's Supreme Court pick.

00:01:02.340 So she says that we lose on the social issues. And the best thing is to ignore them. And here's a little bit more of what she had to say. She says to use conservatives newfound power and poll to challenge a decision that Roe v. Wade is the decision to challenge a decision that according to a new poll, most Americans support would be a mistake.

00:01:26.620 Because, of course, we know that something must be good if most Americans support it, because most Americans could never be wrong about anything.

00:01:34.760 In a similar way, when most of the members of a mob decide that it's a good idea to set a cop car on fire, it would be wrong to oppose them because most of them want to do it.

00:01:49.600 So it must be good. And that is, if we equate the word wrong with the word unpopular, if those two words are the same now, then, of course, it would be wrong.

00:02:00.880 But if unpopular and wrong are the same, well, then the word wrong has no meaning anymore.

00:02:07.700 And therefore, the word right has no meaning.

00:02:09.720 And so we just live in a morally relativistic world, which is apparently exactly the kind of world that Tommy Lerner and conservatives like her want to live in.

00:02:20.820 But we'll get to that in a minute.

00:02:21.960 She continues, this president is winning for the American people on the economy, foreign policy and tax reform.

00:02:28.780 These are areas that benefit all Americans, regardless of religion or social beliefs.

00:02:33.720 I would say that all Americans kind of benefit from being granted the opportunity to be born.

00:02:40.320 I would say that I benefited from that.

00:02:42.780 Tommy Lerner benefited from that.

00:02:44.300 I think that Tommy Lerner would consider it a benefit that she is born as opposed to not being born.

00:02:52.760 I, you know, so but that's just me.

00:02:55.260 She says, if we continue to focus on those things and immigration, we'll sail into 2020 with all three government branches in our control.

00:03:04.480 Yes, because immigration is just an issue with with with with complete agree agreement.

00:03:11.220 Everyone agrees on that. Right.

00:03:12.760 There's it's not contentious at all.

00:03:15.160 Everyone has exactly the same view on immigration, don't they?

00:03:18.540 That's how we get things done for the American people.

00:03:21.780 That's how we win.

00:03:22.820 Now, obviously, that's how we get things done for the American people.

00:03:26.800 Tommy Lerner is excluding unborn people from the title of American people, which means that we are all we have all been excluded.

00:03:36.380 We are all excluded at some point in our development.

00:03:39.500 She says, let's go after sanctuary cities and push for voter ID laws. 1.00

00:03:44.340 We lose when we start messing with social issues.

00:03:47.420 And then later on, she says, do we really want to fight for this alienate Democrats?

00:03:52.840 Oh, yeah. Well, you wouldn't want to alienate Democrats.

00:03:55.000 Like, let's only talk about the things that Democrats agree on, because, of course, immigration is one of those things.

00:04:00.040 Right. Do we really want to fight for this alienate Democrats, moderates and libertarians all to lose in the end?

00:04:06.300 Anyway, that's a risk I don't think is worth taking.

00:04:10.200 This is the voice of courage that you're hearing right here.

00:04:13.040 I'm saying this as someone who would personally choose life, but also feels it's not the government's place to dictate.

00:04:18.540 This isn't a black and white issue, and I would never judge anyone in that position.

00:04:21.500 Let's be honest, the federal government does few things well, and I believe regulating social issues is an area where it fails.

00:04:31.400 Let the churches, the nonprofits and the community groups step in, not almighty Uncle Sam.

00:04:37.860 Now, I want to respond to this idea, half-baked though it may be, and I respond only because it is a popular idea among so-called conservatives,

00:04:48.540 especially those in Tommy's age bracket and younger, this idea of, well, let's put the social issues to the side.

00:04:57.240 It's a pretty common idea, so that's why I think it's worth responding to.

00:05:00.620 And I'm going to leave aside the most obvious flaw with her argument.

00:05:07.080 Well, there are a few very obvious.

00:05:09.260 There's a few things we're going to basically leave aside, because I have to choose when I'm breaking this down and dissecting the flaws.

00:05:17.040 I can't dissect all the flaws, because I'll be here for 62 hours.

00:05:20.260 I have to just choose a few.

00:05:21.460 So let's leave aside the more obvious flaws, like the fact that Tommy says,

00:05:25.360 Tommy says the government shouldn't regulate social issues, because the government is incompetent.

00:05:32.900 And then in the next breath, she says that we should focus on immigration, taxes, and foreign policy.

00:05:39.700 Two out of the three of those issues are areas where Tommy wants more government involvement.

00:05:45.900 She says that almighty Uncle Sam cannot be given the task of defending unborn life, but we can trust it to defend life across the globe.

00:05:58.180 Because that's what she's talking about with foreign policy, is going in and defending life across the globe.

00:06:04.080 And we should be able to trust it to defend the borders.

00:06:06.220 Now, I agree on that second proposition.

00:06:09.080 We should be able to trust the government to defend the borders.

00:06:13.920 I'm iffy on the first, that we need the government all over the world defending life everywhere on the globe.

00:06:19.220 But the fact remains that border hawks and interventionists look kind of ridiculous when they suddenly become, you know, libertarians on, quote, social issues.

00:06:36.280 I mean, it's kind of hard to argue. 0.81

00:06:39.900 Let's put a wall on the border.

00:06:41.360 Let's put the military down there. 1.00

00:06:42.980 I mean, let's just let's just let's build forts and moats and everything down there.

00:06:48.480 And let's have the government all over the place. 1.00

00:06:51.200 But at the same time, the government has no business whatsoever defending babies.

00:06:57.940 No business.

00:06:59.000 We can't get them anywhere near that.

00:07:01.140 But I just I that it's difficult to square those two views, in my opinion.

00:07:09.540 And speaking of social issues, I do have a quick question.

00:07:15.500 What the heck is a social issue?

00:07:20.040 I mean, people like Tommy, what they'll do is they'll they'll use the term social issue as a way of kind of shoving to the side things like abortion.

00:07:31.140 It's just a way of sort of shooing it away.

00:07:32.940 It's just a social issue.

00:07:35.260 Well, what does that mean?

00:07:36.700 What's a social issue?

00:07:37.860 I can only assume that a social issue is an issue that affects society.

00:07:44.000 A social issue is a societal issue.

00:07:47.520 It is social.

00:07:48.760 Right.

00:07:50.280 Well, on what basis can I mean.

00:07:53.780 If abortion is a social issue, then isn't immigration a social issue?

00:08:00.240 On what basis can abortion be called a social issue, but something like immigration or taxes are not social issues?

00:08:10.660 I mean, these are all issues that affect society.

00:08:13.340 Right.

00:08:14.020 They are social issues.

00:08:15.640 I would submit, in fact, that social issues are the only issues that government should be worried about.

00:08:25.280 So to say that social issues are the only issues that government should not be concerned with is nonsensical.

00:08:32.160 They are precisely the issues that government should be concerned with.

00:08:35.360 Because if something is not a social issue, then that must mean that it is a private and personal issue.

00:08:42.680 Now, I know that when people say social issue, what they really mean to say is those are private and personal.

00:08:48.640 But then maybe you should say that because you're using language that makes no sense.

00:08:52.840 It is my position that abortion is, in fact, a social issue in that it affects society.

00:09:00.160 It affects everybody.

00:09:01.540 So obviously the government should be involved in it.

00:09:05.700 If you're saying the government shouldn't be involved in it because it doesn't affect everybody and it's personal, then it's not a social issue.

00:09:12.820 You see?

00:09:14.280 Well, let's put all that to the side.

00:09:18.360 I have three main points of contention with Tommy on this issue and with so many other people who make the same kind of case.

00:09:31.540 Number one, Tommy says that we need to get back to focusing on the economy, you know, because abortion is just isn't an issue that people care about that much.

00:09:45.540 And this, again, is a common sentiment among a certain set of conservatives, especially the self-appointed conservative spokespeople.

00:09:54.040 This is a point that you'll hear a lot.

00:09:58.340 And every time it's articulated, the person articulating it seems to think that they're the first person to ever say this.

00:10:07.100 They seem to think, like Tommy is saying this, she seems to think that she has said something new and insightful.

00:10:16.260 Like, you know what, you know what, actually, I think we should put social issues to the side and just focus on taxes instead.

00:10:23.920 She doesn't seem to realize that Republicans have been saying this for the last 50 years.

00:10:31.720 This has been standard operating procedure for Republicans in the mainstream for 50 years.

00:10:40.640 Republicans have been ignoring social issues.

00:10:44.020 You've already gotten what you want.

00:10:46.720 This is what they've already been doing.

00:10:49.680 And, well, let's look at the results.

00:10:53.380 Republicans have basically ignored issues like abortion.

00:10:57.320 And what has been the result?

00:10:59.700 Has it resulted in a culture dominated by conservative ideas?

00:11:06.000 Yeah, we've won some elections.

00:11:09.140 Republicans won in 2016.

00:11:11.720 Great, fantastic.

00:11:14.020 But the culture, this decision to put socialist issues to the side and to basically punt on them and to say, well, the liberals can have those.

00:11:25.700 They're not important.

00:11:27.060 Has that worked out?

00:11:28.560 Or has it created a culture that is completely, utterly dominated by leftist ideas?

00:11:37.080 And has it, in fact, created entire generations that are almost entirely owned by these ideas?

00:11:46.760 I think it's been the latter.

00:11:49.100 So when it's suggested that Republicans are focusing too much on abortion, I could only say that that's wrong because Republicans focus hardly at all on abortion.

00:12:00.460 So I really have no idea what you're talking about.

00:12:04.540 I mean, really, what are you?

00:12:05.960 This constant complaining, oh, let's stop talking about abortion.

00:12:09.180 Who?

00:12:09.740 Let me ask you this.

00:12:11.380 Seriously.

00:12:11.760 Can you name for me one single Republican politician on the national stage who talks about abortion a lot?

00:12:22.960 Just one.

00:12:24.160 Give me one.

00:12:25.080 Of all the Republican politicians that have been on the national stage or are on the national stage right now, can you name one for me who you would say focuses really intensely and consistently on this issue?

00:12:41.640 I mean, guys like Cruz, Rubio, Mike Lee, yeah, they're pro-life.

00:12:45.860 They're, when the issue comes up, they will say relatively forceful things about it.

00:12:51.560 But those guys don't, two of those guys were campaigning for president in 2016.

00:12:56.080 They weren't campaigning on abortion.

00:12:58.600 They weren't bringing it up left and right.

00:13:01.840 They rarely brought it up.

00:13:03.780 Again, when it came up at a debate or something, and it was talked about for two and a half minutes, they said the right things about it, which is great.

00:13:13.020 And I do believe that those guys are legitimately pro-life.

00:13:17.120 But my point is, if those guys are the guys that you would point to and say, well, they're the most focused on abortion, well, that tells you something, because they're hardly focused on it.

00:13:28.940 They were much more likely to talk about immigration, foreign policy, taxes, so on and so forth.

00:13:36.780 No Republican politician goes out of his way to talk about abortion.

00:13:41.440 So, who exactly is focused on this issue?

00:13:48.780 If you're noticing that, well, Republican politicians don't talk about it, you know, in the mainstream, Republicans in the mainstream don't talk about it, but it seems like this issue comes up a lot.

00:14:02.080 Well, who is bringing it up?

00:14:05.240 Who's focused on it?

00:14:06.560 Well, the grassroots, the people, regular Americans, they're the ones who are focused on it.

00:14:17.060 So, when you say that we shouldn't focus on abortion because no one cares about it, what you're really saying is the people shouldn't focus on abortion because the people don't care about it.

00:14:30.520 But the fact that they are focused on it seems to indicate that they do care about it.

00:14:36.840 You see?

00:14:39.220 And it kind of makes sense because here's the reality.

00:14:42.300 Issues like abortion, the so-called social issues, they are the issues that drive and motivate people far more than taxes and foreign policy.

00:14:53.260 Republicans have been trying to win the culture through taxes and foreign policy, immigration, for decades, and they failed miserably.

00:15:03.720 That's because people don't actually care that much about something like taxes.

00:15:10.380 Did you know that?

00:15:11.100 People actually don't care about taxes that much.

00:15:13.340 I mean, people should care about taxes a lot more than they do.

00:15:19.080 But the fact is very clear that people do not care about it that much.

00:15:24.300 Because if they did, if taxes were really a primary issue for most Americans, then there would have been a full-scale violent revolution years ago.

00:15:35.160 Our founding fathers revolted.

00:15:37.220 They had a revolution spurred at least significantly by taxation, by things like taxes on tea.

00:15:46.900 Well, we are getting absolutely fleeced by taxes.

00:15:50.680 Our, you know, the taxation that we suffer under right now is astronomically higher, is so much worse than what the founding fathers dealt with.

00:16:02.560 Okay, they wouldn't even tolerate a tax on tea.

00:16:05.040 We have taxes on tea, and we also have taxes on literally everything else.

00:16:11.120 Everything you buy, everything you do in some way is taxed.

00:16:17.140 And even if you're just driving down the road, you could still be pulled over and given a speeding ticket, which is really just being handed out for no other reason than as a secondary form of taxation for your local town.

00:16:31.220 So you're just getting, you're getting, you're getting taxed at your home, you're getting taxed at the grocery store, you're getting taxed on the way to the grocery store, you're getting taxed everywhere.

00:16:40.280 If people actually cared about this, if this was actually an issue that people cared about as much as Tommy claims they care about it, then there would be riots in the street over, but as it happens, most people don't care.

00:16:52.640 They just kind of pay their taxes, or they let their taxes be paid for them, rather, through the withholding system.

00:16:59.100 And they just sit back and they complain about it sometimes, but most of the time they're just not thinking about it.

00:17:03.320 That's the reality.

00:17:04.140 People say they care about it, and if you were to give them a survey and ask them what are the things you care about, they may list taxes as one of those things.

00:17:19.620 But, you know, actions speak louder than words.

00:17:22.540 Look at how people behave, how they vote, how they operate.

00:17:27.840 It's pretty clear that people don't care that much about taxes.

00:17:31.860 They say they do, but they don't.

00:17:34.480 Foreign policy?

00:17:35.980 I mean, give me a break.

00:17:37.520 You really think the average American is sitting around worried about foreign policy?

00:17:43.440 Get 100 Americans into a room.

00:17:45.640 I'd be surprised if you could find even five of them who could tell you their own views on foreign policy.

00:17:52.460 I mean, could give you more than, like, two sentences on their views on foreign policy.

00:17:58.400 Foreign policy?

00:17:59.560 I mean, you really think that millions of Americans are streaming to the polls around election time with foreign policy as the thing at the top of their mind?

00:18:10.180 No.

00:18:11.960 Even something like immigration.

00:18:13.340 Now, people do care about immigration.

00:18:15.040 And by the way, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't care about these things.

00:18:17.480 We should care about them.

00:18:19.120 I'm just saying that people don't really that much.

00:18:21.240 Something like immigration.

00:18:24.500 People do care about immigration.

00:18:26.680 But, well, I'll put it this way.

00:18:30.640 The March for Life, every year, annually, for decades, the March for Life can draw three, four, five, hundred thousand people.

00:18:41.980 Okay?

00:18:42.480 The March for Life can easily draw half a million people or more.

00:18:46.780 Every year, every year, in the middle of winter, when it's 27 degrees outside, and you're standing in the sleet or the snow or the wind for hours, and it can still draw hundreds of thousands of people every year.

00:19:05.520 And this is without any promotion from the mainstream.

00:19:09.160 The mainstream media ignores it.

00:19:10.820 Even Fox News basically ignores it.

00:19:14.000 This is not with, you know, guys like Rush Limbaugh getting up there and promoting it and driving, Sean Hannity driving people out to it.

00:19:21.500 This is with all those guys basically ignoring it.

00:19:24.500 It's entirely grassroots.

00:19:26.380 And it gets half a million people every year.

00:19:31.160 Now, I'd be surprised.

00:19:32.900 Even if you got Fox News on the case, if you got Rush Limbaugh on the case, if you got Sean Hannity on the case, you got everybody on the case promoting a march to protect our borders, a march in favor of stricter immigration law.

00:19:49.000 I'd be surprised if you got 10,000 people to it.

00:19:52.000 But let me tell you something.

00:19:52.760 You aren't getting 100,000.

00:19:54.240 You aren't getting anywhere close to that.

00:19:55.680 And you know it.

00:19:57.100 No, it's abortion that draws that kind of attention.

00:20:03.840 And why is that?

00:20:05.500 Well, let's go to point number two.

00:20:08.300 It makes sense that people are so focused on this.

00:20:14.600 You know.

00:20:15.320 And that's because pro-lifers are either right or wrong about abortion. 0.76

00:20:21.900 Right?

00:20:22.220 I mean, I'm a pro-lifer.

00:20:24.740 You know what my position is on the subject.

00:20:26.800 But I'm either right or I'm wrong.

00:20:28.960 I can't be right and wrong.

00:20:31.200 I mean, it's like I've taken a very absolute position.

00:20:35.340 So I'll just use myself.

00:20:37.460 Okay?

00:20:37.960 If I am right, then actual human beings are being killed by the thousands every day, systematically and legally in America.

00:20:50.560 And 60 million actual human beings have been slaughtered systematically, legally, in buildings that are set up specifically for the purpose in America over the last few decades.

00:21:09.360 So if I'm right, if pro-lifers are right, then abortion is not just a holocaust, but it is by far the worst holocaust that the world has ever seen. 0.69

00:21:22.440 The numbers tell the whole story.

00:21:26.400 If pro-lifers are right about abortion, then abortion is not just bad. 0.82

00:21:31.060 It is the worst thing in the world, hands down, and second place is not even close.

00:21:39.180 So we're either wrong or we're right.

00:21:42.580 Either this is the mass slaughter of actual human persons, or it isn't.

00:21:48.860 And if it is, then it's the most important issue in the world.

00:21:55.380 What could possibly be more important?

00:21:58.700 And that's why this issue generates so much attention.

00:22:03.320 That's why people care about it.

00:22:05.700 It's a matter of life and death.

00:22:07.840 It is literally a matter of life and death.

00:22:12.500 And it's an issue that gets, it cuts through everything and it gets right down to the heart of the matter.

00:22:18.200 It gets right down to the heart of what you believe about life.

00:22:23.760 It gets down to your priorities, your basic fundamental philosophy of life.

00:22:31.940 And that's how you motivate people.

00:22:33.960 That's how you really get their attention.

00:22:36.960 That's how you can get 500,000 people to show up in D.C. and march through the snow.

00:22:41.360 Okay, that's how you can do it, is with an issue of life and death, is when you can, it's when it's a moral issue.

00:22:48.240 It's an ethical issue.

00:22:49.440 It is a, you're saying this is an atrocity that is happening around us.

00:22:54.780 It must come to an end.

00:22:56.020 And that's how you get people motivated, not by saying, well, the tax rate is this, but it should really be this.

00:23:03.940 Now, that's important, but people aren't going to, most people are going to say, okay, yeah, I mean, sure, I agree with you, that'd be fine.

00:23:10.060 But we can grab them by the collar and say, people are, children are dying, look around you, we have to do something about this.

00:23:17.020 Well, when you say that to someone, then they have to make a choice.

00:23:22.420 They have to, they can, they can agree with you.

00:23:25.180 They can say, oh my gosh, you're right.

00:23:27.120 I mean, I've got a, this has to be a major focus of my life now to put an end to this.

00:23:34.200 I can't, I can't continue along while this is happening and pretend it's not happening.

00:23:37.740 I mean, this is so important.

00:23:39.440 So they could respond to you that way, or they could recoil.

00:23:43.120 They could go, they could flee to the other extreme and they could say, oh, those aren't people.

00:23:48.820 And if they aren't, if the unborn humans are not people, if they're not human at all, if they're just essentially cancerous lumps, you know, lifeless cancerous lumps, then the pro-life position is, I guess it really is oppressive, right?

00:24:03.320 Because in that case, women are really trying to undergo a medical procedure to have this lifeless mass extracted from them. 1.00

00:24:13.500 And we're trying to convince them not to.

00:24:15.340 We're even, we even want them to be legally prevented from undergoing that.

00:24:19.640 And so it's, it's oppressive.

00:24:21.060 We're trying to oppress them.

00:24:22.860 And so you could respond that way and go to the other extreme and say, oh, you're oppressing.

00:24:27.760 But it makes no sense to go to the middle.

00:24:30.660 And I know that there are a lot of people who try to find the middle, but the point I'm making is that there is no middle ground.

00:24:36.640 These are cowards who are trying to find a middle ground where it doesn't exist.

00:24:43.120 If we are right about this, then this is the most important thing in the world and everybody should be focused. 0.94

00:24:51.400 If we're wrong, then we are oppressive bullies and you should be, you should be viciously opposed to us.

00:24:59.600 But what you can't do is just kind of like float in the middle and say, well, you know, maybe either way.

00:25:08.220 It takes a certain intellectual effort, you know, to stay in that middle area.

00:25:15.520 I don't mean intellectual effort, like in a good way.

00:25:18.300 I mean, you really have to try to block out of your mind the reality of the issue.

00:25:25.660 You've got to put on the blinders so that you can stay firmly in the middle.

00:25:29.880 But the issue itself naturally provokes a strong reaction one way or another.

00:25:39.900 Because it gets down to the core of a person.

00:25:43.720 What do you believe about life?

00:25:46.100 And the real question that pro-lifers are posing to people is, do you believe that life is sacred?

00:25:56.980 Because the sacredness of life, that's the kind of thing that motivates someone.

00:26:04.160 You know, people are willing to die to defend the sacredness of life.

00:26:09.340 That's how much they believe in it.

00:26:11.060 Immigration is a really important issue.

00:26:15.820 Very few people would die to defend their position on immigration policy.

00:26:23.380 But about the sacredness of life, about defending human life,

00:26:28.220 that is being directly, systematically slaughtered, that's the kind of thing people are.

00:26:34.880 They will give their life to that.

00:26:36.980 Third thing, you cannot be a pro-abortion conservative.

00:26:46.540 Because to be pro-abortion is to reject, it's to do two things.

00:26:51.620 If you're pro-abortion, then necessarily, and that is when I say pro-abortion, 0.99

00:26:56.660 meaning you are in favor of abortion being legal.

00:27:02.560 And so, Tommy is pro-abortion.

00:27:04.000 And what I'm saying about Tommy, I'm sure she's a nice person.

00:27:08.380 She's not by any means conservative in the slightest.

00:27:12.000 She is a liberal.

00:27:13.100 She is a full-on leftist, extreme leftist.

00:27:17.120 She has taken an extreme liberal view.

00:27:22.040 And in so doing, she has accepted, and all the so-called conservatives who are in her camp,

00:27:27.680 they have all accepted two propositions, necessarily.

00:27:33.400 One, they have accepted the proposition that human life has no inherent dignity.

00:27:42.300 Okay?

00:27:42.900 It has no intrinsic, innate, inherent—I mean, all these words are synonym.

00:27:47.200 It has no intrinsic dignity.

00:27:49.500 Because in order for something to have something—in order for, you know, a thing, an entity,

00:27:56.300 to possess a certain quality intrinsically, it means that it must possess that quality all along.

00:28:03.320 From the first moment that it is an entity, from the first moment that it exists physically

00:28:09.660 as a physical being in the physical world, it must possess this quality.

00:28:14.360 If it does not, then it does not possess that quality intrinsically.

00:28:21.880 Now, you could have an entity that comes into being and then, over time, acquires certain qualities.

00:28:30.780 But all of those qualities that it acquires over time, it cannot be said to possess intrinsically.

00:28:37.080 And so, if it should be legal to kill unborn humans, then what you're clearly saying is that unborn humans do not have dignity.

00:28:50.660 They do not have the full human dignity and worth and value that you and I have.

00:28:56.120 But if they don't have it in the womb, that means that we didn't have it in the womb,

00:29:04.340 which means that we have not always had that value, worth, and dignity,

00:29:08.420 which means that we don't possess it intrinsically.

00:29:10.660 It's not a part of our human nature.

00:29:12.220 It's something that somewhere along the line you acquire.

00:29:19.040 So, if you accept the pro-abortion position, then you reject the intrinsic value, worth, and dignity of human life.

00:29:26.900 Which is an incredible, extreme position. 0.94

00:29:34.480 And also deranged, demented, and insane, in my opinion.

00:29:41.140 The second proposition that you must accept in order to be pro-abortion 0.87

00:29:44.240 is that moral truth is not objective.

00:29:49.400 And this especially is the case for people like Tommy, people that are in the middle,

00:29:56.020 who say, well, I'm personally opposed to it, but, you know, it's people got to make their own decision.

00:30:00.320 So, what you're saying is, you know, it's wrong for me.

00:30:04.860 I consider it wrong, but it's not necessarily wrong for her.

00:30:11.020 And so, what you're saying is that this moral truth is not objective.

00:30:15.960 It's just kind of up to the individual to decide.

00:30:18.600 But, if any moral truth is not objective, especially a moral truth dealing with life and death,

00:30:26.640 if that is not objective, then it must mean that moral truth itself is not objective.

00:30:33.460 That all moral truths are not objective.

00:30:35.380 If the moral truth of, you know, whether or not it's okay to kill a human being,

00:30:44.880 if that is not an objective matter, then which moral truth could be objective, if that doesn't qualify?

00:30:57.400 So, in order to be pro-abortion, you have to be a moral relativist, and you have to be a materialist.

00:31:05.380 Which is to say that there's no value in human life, that we're just kind of, we're all just material, right?

00:31:13.780 But materialism and moral relativism, those are the two foundational pillars of modern leftism.

00:31:24.560 That's their whole point.

00:31:26.960 That's everything.

00:31:28.460 They are materialists and they are moral relativists.

00:31:30.880 That's everything they believe springs from that fountain, from that toxic, ugly, algae-filled fountain. 0.98

00:31:42.320 That smelly, sewage fountain.

00:31:44.560 That's everything springs from that, from materialism and moral relativism.

00:31:49.520 So, if you've agreed with them on those two points, then you've agreed with them on everything.

00:31:54.780 Your disagreements are irrelevant.

00:31:56.640 They're just, they're frivolous.

00:31:59.260 You've given them everything.

00:32:02.000 You have given them the universe.

00:32:04.700 Their version of the universe.

00:32:07.180 The universe where moral truth is not objective and human life is nothing but material and has no value.

00:32:12.420 You've given that to them.

00:32:13.940 You've given them the entire world, the universe, reality.

00:32:17.620 You've handed everything to them.

00:32:19.740 And now you're trying to carve out a little chunk here and say, yeah, you can have the universe, but I'm going to stand my ground on immigration.

00:32:28.340 What?

00:32:29.080 On what basis?

00:32:32.260 You've said that they're correct about these two fundamental foundational things.

00:32:39.500 How can you then disagree with them on something like immigration?

00:32:43.300 And what is the foundation for your disagreement?

00:32:51.480 Take something like gun rights.

00:32:52.880 You can say, well, yeah, they're right about abortion, but don't take my guns. 0.92

00:32:57.940 Well, but hold on a second.

00:32:58.700 You just agree that human life has no real value, so why do you have a right to a gun?

00:33:06.040 The whole reason why you have your right to your guns is that you need the guns to protect your life.

00:33:11.840 I mean, a gun itself has no value on its own.

00:33:16.320 The only value in a gun is that it can protect, preserve, and sustain human life.

00:33:22.400 It can sustain it by, you know, you can go out and hunt and kill animals, okay?

00:33:26.360 So it has value there, and it has value because it can protect human life.

00:33:33.200 But you see that the value of the gun is hinged on the value of human life.

00:33:38.720 If human life has no value, then the gun is just a toy, and it's a dangerous toy at that, and so we should ban it.

00:33:46.360 You know what?

00:33:46.680 If human life has no value, then yeah, let's ban all the guns.

00:33:49.880 I mean, because why not?

00:33:51.920 Why should you have a gun?

00:33:54.440 Why do you have a right to your gun?

00:33:55.660 Your life is meaningless. 1.00

00:33:56.600 And if somebody wants to kill you, then, I mean, whatever, fine, they should kill you. 0.99

00:34:04.200 There's no value in your life. 1.00

00:34:05.640 You're nothing.

00:34:07.480 So you really have to choose.

00:34:08.960 What I would say to Tommy and all conservatives in her category is, make up your mind.

00:34:20.320 I mean, are they wrong or are they right?

00:34:24.420 And forget about them for a minute, but what about you?

00:34:27.060 What do you really believe?

00:34:28.560 Who are you?

00:34:29.840 What are you?

00:34:30.580 What do you actually believe deep down in your soul?

00:34:37.620 Don't tell me about issues.

00:34:40.220 Don't tell me about Trump.

00:34:41.440 Okay, don't tell me.

00:34:42.480 Deep down in your soul, what do you believe about life?

00:34:47.060 What are your core principles and values that animate and motivate you as a person?

00:34:57.640 Figure out what those actually are.

00:35:00.580 Because once you know those, you're going to see that it's really impossible for you to stake out this in-between ground that you've tried to find.

00:35:10.760 Nobody who's really in touch with their own values and their own principles could ever be floating in the middle there.

00:35:19.120 So figure out who you are and what you believe.

00:35:23.180 And then take it from there.

00:35:24.480 And if you discover that, you know what?

00:35:27.400 Yeah, actually the left, I basically agree with them on the most important thing.

00:35:32.100 I'm basically a leftist and that's who I am.

00:35:34.700 And if that's what you discover, then, you know, you have every right to it.

00:35:38.720 But be honest with yourself and be honest with everybody else.

00:35:43.720 That's my request and that is my invitation as well.

00:35:48.120 Thanks for watching, everybody.

00:35:49.800 Thanks for listening.

00:35:51.420 Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - July 10, 2018

Ep. 58 - There Is No Such Thing As A Pro-Abortion Conservative

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