Tommy Lahren gives her final thoughts on Roe v. Wade, immigration, and the future of the country, and why it s time to call it quits on social issues. I'm back from vacation and ready to talk about it.
00:00:00.000Well, it's great to be back. That's a lie, of course. It's not great at all. It's deeply, darkly depressing to be back from vacation. But we did have a good vacation. We're up in New Hampshire. I did quite a lot of fishing. And I did pretty good. I posted a picture on Facebook of one of the bass that I caught. It was, you know, I'd say around six pounds. I didn't measure it.
00:00:22.160But I put it up. I put the picture on Facebook for like the four people who might care. It's there so you can go see it. But it was fun. Did a lot of fishing and hung out and with the family. And so now I'm back. And we'll just dive right into it.
00:00:36.760Tommy Lahren gave her final thoughts over the weekend where she explained that conservatives need to stop with the whole abortion thing. We just need to quit it with the abortion already. We need to stop trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, you know, because she's uncomfortable with the fact that there's been this discussion of overturning Roe v. Wade now that we're getting Trump's Supreme Court pick.
00:01:02.340So she says that we lose on the social issues. And the best thing is to ignore them. And here's a little bit more of what she had to say. She says to use conservatives newfound power and poll to challenge a decision that Roe v. Wade is the decision to challenge a decision that according to a new poll, most Americans support would be a mistake.
00:01:26.620Because, of course, we know that something must be good if most Americans support it, because most Americans could never be wrong about anything.
00:01:34.760In a similar way, when most of the members of a mob decide that it's a good idea to set a cop car on fire, it would be wrong to oppose them because most of them want to do it.
00:01:49.600So it must be good. And that is, if we equate the word wrong with the word unpopular, if those two words are the same now, then, of course, it would be wrong.
00:02:00.880But if unpopular and wrong are the same, well, then the word wrong has no meaning anymore.
00:02:07.700And therefore, the word right has no meaning.
00:02:09.720And so we just live in a morally relativistic world, which is apparently exactly the kind of world that Tommy Lerner and conservatives like her want to live in.
00:03:22.820Now, obviously, that's how we get things done for the American people.
00:03:26.800Tommy Lerner is excluding unborn people from the title of American people, which means that we are all we have all been excluded.
00:03:36.380We are all excluded at some point in our development.
00:03:39.500She says, let's go after sanctuary cities and push for voter ID laws.
00:03:44.340We lose when we start messing with social issues.
00:03:47.420And then later on, she says, do we really want to fight for this alienate Democrats?
00:03:52.840Oh, yeah. Well, you wouldn't want to alienate Democrats.
00:03:55.000Like, let's only talk about the things that Democrats agree on, because, of course, immigration is one of those things.
00:04:00.040Right. Do we really want to fight for this alienate Democrats, moderates and libertarians all to lose in the end?
00:04:06.300Anyway, that's a risk I don't think is worth taking.
00:04:10.200This is the voice of courage that you're hearing right here.
00:04:13.040I'm saying this as someone who would personally choose life, but also feels it's not the government's place to dictate.
00:04:18.540This isn't a black and white issue, and I would never judge anyone in that position.
00:04:21.500Let's be honest, the federal government does few things well, and I believe regulating social issues is an area where it fails.
00:04:31.400Let the churches, the nonprofits and the community groups step in, not almighty Uncle Sam.
00:04:37.860Now, I want to respond to this idea, half-baked though it may be, and I respond only because it is a popular idea among so-called conservatives,
00:04:48.540especially those in Tommy's age bracket and younger, this idea of, well, let's put the social issues to the side.
00:04:57.240It's a pretty common idea, so that's why I think it's worth responding to.
00:05:00.620And I'm going to leave aside the most obvious flaw with her argument.
00:05:21.460So let's leave aside the more obvious flaws, like the fact that Tommy says,
00:05:25.360Tommy says the government shouldn't regulate social issues, because the government is incompetent.
00:05:32.900And then in the next breath, she says that we should focus on immigration, taxes, and foreign policy.
00:05:39.700Two out of the three of those issues are areas where Tommy wants more government involvement.
00:05:45.900She says that almighty Uncle Sam cannot be given the task of defending unborn life, but we can trust it to defend life across the globe.
00:05:58.180Because that's what she's talking about with foreign policy, is going in and defending life across the globe.
00:06:04.080And we should be able to trust it to defend the borders.
00:06:06.220Now, I agree on that second proposition.
00:06:09.080We should be able to trust the government to defend the borders.
00:06:13.920I'm iffy on the first, that we need the government all over the world defending life everywhere on the globe.
00:06:19.220But the fact remains that border hawks and interventionists look kind of ridiculous when they suddenly become, you know, libertarians on, quote, social issues.
00:07:20.040I mean, people like Tommy, what they'll do is they'll they'll use the term social issue as a way of kind of shoving to the side things like abortion.
00:07:31.140It's just a way of sort of shooing it away.
00:09:01.540So obviously the government should be involved in it.
00:09:05.700If you're saying the government shouldn't be involved in it because it doesn't affect everybody and it's personal, then it's not a social issue.
00:09:18.360I have three main points of contention with Tommy on this issue and with so many other people who make the same kind of case.
00:09:31.540Number one, Tommy says that we need to get back to focusing on the economy, you know, because abortion is just isn't an issue that people care about that much.
00:09:45.540And this, again, is a common sentiment among a certain set of conservatives, especially the self-appointed conservative spokespeople.
00:09:54.040This is a point that you'll hear a lot.
00:09:58.340And every time it's articulated, the person articulating it seems to think that they're the first person to ever say this.
00:10:07.100They seem to think, like Tommy is saying this, she seems to think that she has said something new and insightful.
00:10:16.260Like, you know what, you know what, actually, I think we should put social issues to the side and just focus on taxes instead.
00:10:23.920She doesn't seem to realize that Republicans have been saying this for the last 50 years.
00:10:31.720This has been standard operating procedure for Republicans in the mainstream for 50 years.
00:10:40.640Republicans have been ignoring social issues.
00:11:14.020But the culture, this decision to put socialist issues to the side and to basically punt on them and to say, well, the liberals can have those.
00:11:49.100So when it's suggested that Republicans are focusing too much on abortion, I could only say that that's wrong because Republicans focus hardly at all on abortion.
00:12:00.460So I really have no idea what you're talking about.
00:12:25.080Of all the Republican politicians that have been on the national stage or are on the national stage right now, can you name one for me who you would say focuses really intensely and consistently on this issue?
00:12:41.640I mean, guys like Cruz, Rubio, Mike Lee, yeah, they're pro-life.
00:12:45.860They're, when the issue comes up, they will say relatively forceful things about it.
00:12:51.560But those guys don't, two of those guys were campaigning for president in 2016.
00:13:03.780Again, when it came up at a debate or something, and it was talked about for two and a half minutes, they said the right things about it, which is great.
00:13:13.020And I do believe that those guys are legitimately pro-life.
00:13:17.120But my point is, if those guys are the guys that you would point to and say, well, they're the most focused on abortion, well, that tells you something, because they're hardly focused on it.
00:13:28.940They were much more likely to talk about immigration, foreign policy, taxes, so on and so forth.
00:13:36.780No Republican politician goes out of his way to talk about abortion.
00:13:41.440So, who exactly is focused on this issue?
00:13:48.780If you're noticing that, well, Republican politicians don't talk about it, you know, in the mainstream, Republicans in the mainstream don't talk about it, but it seems like this issue comes up a lot.
00:14:06.560Well, the grassroots, the people, regular Americans, they're the ones who are focused on it.
00:14:17.060So, when you say that we shouldn't focus on abortion because no one cares about it, what you're really saying is the people shouldn't focus on abortion because the people don't care about it.
00:14:30.520But the fact that they are focused on it seems to indicate that they do care about it.
00:14:39.220And it kind of makes sense because here's the reality.
00:14:42.300Issues like abortion, the so-called social issues, they are the issues that drive and motivate people far more than taxes and foreign policy.
00:14:53.260Republicans have been trying to win the culture through taxes and foreign policy, immigration, for decades, and they failed miserably.
00:15:03.720That's because people don't actually care that much about something like taxes.
00:15:11.100People actually don't care about taxes that much.
00:15:13.340I mean, people should care about taxes a lot more than they do.
00:15:19.080But the fact is very clear that people do not care about it that much.
00:15:24.300Because if they did, if taxes were really a primary issue for most Americans, then there would have been a full-scale violent revolution years ago.
00:15:37.220They had a revolution spurred at least significantly by taxation, by things like taxes on tea.
00:15:46.900Well, we are getting absolutely fleeced by taxes.
00:15:50.680Our, you know, the taxation that we suffer under right now is astronomically higher, is so much worse than what the founding fathers dealt with.
00:16:02.560Okay, they wouldn't even tolerate a tax on tea.
00:16:05.040We have taxes on tea, and we also have taxes on literally everything else.
00:16:11.120Everything you buy, everything you do in some way is taxed.
00:16:17.140And even if you're just driving down the road, you could still be pulled over and given a speeding ticket, which is really just being handed out for no other reason than as a secondary form of taxation for your local town.
00:16:31.220So you're just getting, you're getting, you're getting taxed at your home, you're getting taxed at the grocery store, you're getting taxed on the way to the grocery store, you're getting taxed everywhere.
00:16:40.280If people actually cared about this, if this was actually an issue that people cared about as much as Tommy claims they care about it, then there would be riots in the street over, but as it happens, most people don't care.
00:16:52.640They just kind of pay their taxes, or they let their taxes be paid for them, rather, through the withholding system.
00:16:59.100And they just sit back and they complain about it sometimes, but most of the time they're just not thinking about it.
00:17:04.140People say they care about it, and if you were to give them a survey and ask them what are the things you care about, they may list taxes as one of those things.
00:17:19.620But, you know, actions speak louder than words.
00:17:22.540Look at how people behave, how they vote, how they operate.
00:17:27.840It's pretty clear that people don't care that much about taxes.
00:17:59.560I mean, you really think that millions of Americans are streaming to the polls around election time with foreign policy as the thing at the top of their mind?
00:18:42.480The March for Life can easily draw half a million people or more.
00:18:46.780Every year, every year, in the middle of winter, when it's 27 degrees outside, and you're standing in the sleet or the snow or the wind for hours, and it can still draw hundreds of thousands of people every year.
00:19:05.520And this is without any promotion from the mainstream.
00:19:32.900Even if you got Fox News on the case, if you got Rush Limbaugh on the case, if you got Sean Hannity on the case, you got everybody on the case promoting a march to protect our borders, a march in favor of stricter immigration law.
00:19:49.000I'd be surprised if you got 10,000 people to it.
00:20:37.960If I am right, then actual human beings are being killed by the thousands every day, systematically and legally in America.
00:20:50.560And 60 million actual human beings have been slaughtered systematically, legally, in buildings that are set up specifically for the purpose in America over the last few decades.
00:21:09.360So if I'm right, if pro-lifers are right, then abortion is not just a holocaust, but it is by far the worst holocaust that the world has ever seen.
00:22:56.020And that's how you get people motivated, not by saying, well, the tax rate is this, but it should really be this.
00:23:03.940Now, that's important, but people aren't going to, most people are going to say, okay, yeah, I mean, sure, I agree with you, that'd be fine.
00:23:10.060But we can grab them by the collar and say, people are, children are dying, look around you, we have to do something about this.
00:23:17.020Well, when you say that to someone, then they have to make a choice.
00:23:22.420They have to, they can, they can agree with you.
00:23:25.180They can say, oh my gosh, you're right.
00:23:27.120I mean, I've got a, this has to be a major focus of my life now to put an end to this.
00:23:34.200I can't, I can't continue along while this is happening and pretend it's not happening.
00:23:39.440So they could respond to you that way, or they could recoil.
00:23:43.120They could go, they could flee to the other extreme and they could say, oh, those aren't people.
00:23:48.820And if they aren't, if the unborn humans are not people, if they're not human at all, if they're just essentially cancerous lumps, you know, lifeless cancerous lumps, then the pro-life position is, I guess it really is oppressive, right?
00:24:03.320Because in that case, women are really trying to undergo a medical procedure to have this lifeless mass extracted from them.
00:24:13.500And we're trying to convince them not to.
00:24:15.340We're even, we even want them to be legally prevented from undergoing that.
00:32:19.740And now you're trying to carve out a little chunk here and say, yeah, you can have the universe, but I'm going to stand my ground on immigration.
00:35:00.580Because once you know those, you're going to see that it's really impossible for you to stake out this in-between ground that you've tried to find.
00:35:10.760Nobody who's really in touch with their own values and their own principles could ever be floating in the middle there.
00:35:19.120So figure out who you are and what you believe.