The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 604 - Public Health Experts Destroyed Their Own Credibility And Will Never Get It Back

00:00:00.000 Today on The Matt Wall Show, public health experts are calling for more lockdowns while blaming the

00:00:04.220 public for not listening to them and causing a new surge in coronavirus cases. But maybe these

00:00:08.240 people should consider that we aren't listening to them because they demolished their own

00:00:11.960 credibility by supporting the BLM riots in the midst of the pandemic. We'll talk about that. 0.67

00:00:15.780 Also, five headlines, including a nurse going on CNN to badmouth her own dying patients.

00:00:21.040 And our daily cancellation, we will, of course, discuss Harry Styles in a dress. You know,

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00:01:37.340 podcasts. All right. The lockdown plague is sweeping our country yet again with more and more states

00:01:42.880 reverting back to the policies that didn't work the first time. The old cliche about the definition

00:01:47.500 of insanity seems to apply here. Of course, the lockdown policies never fully went away in most

00:01:51.880 places in the first place, but now they're being ramped up and doubled down on, especially with the

00:01:56.440 holiday season upon us. And as we're told, a new surge in cases, Joe Biden was asked yesterday what

00:02:02.400 Americans should do about Thanksgiving. And he echoed the entirely arbitrary 10 person limit, a limit that 0.94

00:02:09.280 somehow remains the same for all dwellings, regardless of size. So here's what Biden had to say.

00:02:14.440 And just, uh, following up on that, especially with many states reporting new highs in terms of

00:02:20.960 the daily number of cases and a lot of public health officials sounding the alarm over the

00:02:26.480 holidays. Would you, what is your message to people who are considering, for example, getting

00:02:31.380 together with their families and others for Thanksgiving? Would you consider, would you

00:02:34.900 urge people to reconsider their plans? Well, here's what I'd do. Let me tell you what the health

00:02:39.620 experts have said to me. Um, and it's not because I'm unique and president elect, it's because my

00:02:46.300 family, they strongly urge that if in fact, uh, we're going to have Thanksgiving with anyone that

00:02:54.860 we limited to a maximum, maximum, they suggest five people, maximum, 10 people socially distanced

00:03:03.200 wearing masks and people who have quarantined. So Jill and I spent this morning, like many of you

00:03:11.340 trying to figure out what are we going to do for Thanksgiving? How are we going to do it? And we've

00:03:16.040 narrowed down which family members and that they were tested recently tested in 24 hours.

00:03:21.740 Now, admittedly, it does seem fun to, you know, sit down with a list and decide which of your in-laws

00:03:27.140 are getting voted off the island. But, you know, we don't personally plan on doing any such thing in

00:03:31.800 our house. Joe Biden says the experts recommend it, the public health experts so-called. But there's a

00:03:37.960 problem with the public health experts and Andrew Cuomo, actually, in a recent speech over the weekend

00:03:42.460 gets to the bottom of that problem. Listen.

00:03:45.000 The key is to be strong and secure enough to admit your mistakes and admit your shortcomings. Don't

00:03:54.100 get defensive. Denying the mistake only assures repeating the mistake. We have made mistakes during

00:04:03.920 COVID. I wrote a book on the lessons to be learned from the COVID crisis. I think of COVID as low tide

00:04:12.180 for America. Do you know how when you stand on the beach and you look out at the water and the tide

00:04:20.200 is high and all you see is the surface of the water and the waves and everything looks nice and

00:04:27.420 beautiful. But you stand at the same point at low tide when the water goes out and the sea bottom is

00:04:36.000 revealed and you see rocks and you see debris and you see the ugliness that the water was covering.

00:04:45.280 COVID was low tide in America and it showed us the ugliness and flaws deep down in our society.

00:04:54.600 Now, I have to say I have some conceptual problems with the low tide analogy there that he keeps going

00:04:59.920 back to. I'm not sure if I'd call a beach at low tide ugly. Maybe in New York it is because you can

00:05:06.160 see more of the trash in the sand. So I think this is one of those things we have to say, speak for

00:05:10.520 yourself, Cuomo, and New York. But in any case, Cuomo talks about admitting your mistakes. And he's

00:05:17.600 right. That is important. You can't have credibility if you won't admit your mistakes. The problem is that

00:05:23.120 Cuomo exempts himself from that criticism. The mistake, for example, of sending infected patients into

00:05:29.000 nursing homes, killing thousands of elderly people. That's a huge mistake, but it's not a mistake that 0.68

00:05:33.780 he's willing to admit or apologize for. So when he says admit your mistakes, he means Trump. Trump

00:05:39.100 should admit his mistakes. Doesn't mean himself. And he also doesn't mean the so-called public health

00:05:43.000 experts. But the public health experts who are, you know, we're supposed to listen to now as they push

00:05:48.520 for lockdowns yet again, have never admitted any mistakes, have never apologized for what they got wrong.

00:05:55.000 And I don't just mean the conflicted messaging on masks and other measures or the fact that we're having a

00:06:01.500 second wave at all, even after following their guidelines in the first place. It seems that the

00:06:06.800 recommendations of public health experts are sort of unfalsifiable because if we follow what they have to say

00:06:14.740 and the problem goes away, then it proves they were right. But if we follow it and the problem gets worse, it

00:06:20.800 also proves somehow that they were right. They can't be wrong, which is a good sign that maybe

00:06:26.580 they are. But they've settled on who is to blame. And it isn't them. It's you. This is all your fault,

00:06:33.640 not theirs. Here is public health expert Dr. Jeremy Faust on Twitter a couple days ago. He says,

00:06:40.460 scientists and medical experts are not ruining Thanksgiving. Ignoring us is what achieved that.

00:06:46.420 And Ellie Murray, another so-called expert, equally smug, says, experts three months ago,

00:06:53.600 if you want to have a semi-normal Thanksgiving, follow these simple rules. Public, nah, seems like

00:06:58.640 a hassle. Experts now, in-person Thanksgiving is probably not a good idea. Public, what? How could

00:07:04.640 you let it get this bad? And this is the message. It's your fault, you dumb rubes, you conspiracy 1.00

00:07:11.280 theorists, you science-denying hicks. If you had only listened to us, everything would be okay now.

00:07:17.860 We'd be living in a paradise. Of course, the issue here is that most people did listen. There were

00:07:23.900 lockdowns across the country. Still, there are heavy restrictions in most places. Most people wear

00:07:28.780 masks. And I say that anecdotally from what I've noticed, and also according to the polls, most people

00:07:33.400 wear them. People did listen to the recommendations and the orders. If it didn't work, maybe that's because

00:07:40.820 there was something wrong with the recommendations and the orders. But there's a bigger problem here,

00:07:46.480 I think. You know, it's one thing to simply be wrong, especially when dealing with a novel virus.

00:07:51.880 It's one thing to adjust to new facts as they come in. Okay, you know, that's understandable.

00:07:58.740 It's quite another thing to demonstrate dishonesty. And as a public health official, to reveal yourself

00:08:04.760 to be concerned about politics over health. Now, you'd be a fool if you stopped listening to your

00:08:10.360 doctor forever because he was wrong about one thing. But you'd also be a fool if you still

00:08:14.960 listen to your doctor, even after he's made it obvious that he's dishonest and doesn't really

00:08:19.000 care that much about your health. Fallible people can still be trusted. If they couldn't,

00:08:23.620 we couldn't trust anybody. But dishonest people cannot be trusted, obviously. Many of the people

00:08:28.520 who want us to trust them about COVID and lockdowns fall into that latter category of being dishonest.

00:08:34.260 Now, as you may recall, during the summer, pandemic still raging. Many businesses closed down while,

00:08:41.100 you know, others dealt with strict capacity limits and other restrictions. At that point,

00:08:45.460 thousands of BLM rioters swarmed cities across the country for weeks and weeks on end, mass gatherings

00:08:50.420 nationwide. Gatherings that involved, if you remember, lots of shouting and screaming and chanting,

00:08:55.440 often done in close quarters or directly in the face of passersby. If going to church is dangerous,

00:09:01.020 eating in a restaurant is dangerous, going to the movies is dangerous, visiting your mother on 1.00

00:09:06.660 Thanksgiving is dangerous, then there is no way that gathering in an unruly mob of 5,000 people

00:09:12.520 could possibly be safe. Now, we could debate where on the scale of dangerous to rate it, but it can't be

00:09:19.880 actually safe, especially when outdoor protests had already been condemned by public health experts

00:09:26.920 back when anti-lockdown activists were participating in them. And yet these same so-called experts

00:09:32.460 supported the BLM riots. Remember that 1,200 epidemiologists and disease specialists and other supposed

00:09:38.940 experts published a letter during the height of the riots back in, I think it was June, condoning them,

00:09:44.100 encouraging them on the absurd basis that white supremacy is a bigger threat than COVID.

00:09:48.720 And so it's okay to risk getting COVID in order to combat white supremacy by looting a CVS.

00:09:55.720 The letter didn't say that exactly, but that was the gist. In fact, it's worse than that. The signers

00:10:00.920 of the letter admitted that there will be more infections because of the protests. They said,

00:10:07.040 quote, prepare for an increased number of infections in the days following a protest,

00:10:11.140 provide increased access to testing and care for people in the affected communities,

00:10:14.480 especially when they or their family members put themselves at risk by attending the protests.

00:10:20.280 But this was in the context of encouraging and celebrating the protests. They admitted that

00:10:24.980 people are going to get infected. In fact, both of the experts mentioned a moment ago who are

00:10:30.540 lecturing the public for not listening to them expressed at the time, at least tentative approval

00:10:35.000 of the BLM riots. And so if you're in the public health industry and you're wondering why no one takes

00:10:42.380 you seriously now, and then people aren't listening while you call for more lockdowns, this is it.

00:10:47.700 You torched your own credibility. You tied it to a stake, set it on fire and danced around the flame.

00:10:54.260 Either mass gatherings are not as dangerous as you claim, and that's why you supported the BLM riots,

00:11:01.080 or they are as dangerous as you claim, yet you were willing to support such dangerous activities

00:11:05.920 for political reasons or perhaps out of sheer moral cowardice. Whatever the case, dishonest cowards

00:11:12.880 have no right to expect to be taken seriously. And whether you expect it or not, we don't take

00:11:18.660 you seriously. We never will again. And you have only yourself to blame for that. Let's get to our five

00:11:26.860 headlines. So a South Dakota ER nurse was on CNN last night making some unflattering claims about her 0.66

00:11:41.680 dying patients. Let's listen to some of that. Even now, the hospital is being overrun with COVID

00:11:50.480 patients. They come in, they're horribly ill, they're gasping for breath, and yet they don't

00:11:56.420 believe they have COVID? Yeah, I think the hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking

00:12:03.380 for something else, and they want a magic answer, and they don't want to believe that COVID is real.

00:12:09.000 And the reason I tweeted what I did is it wasn't one particular patient. It's just a culmination of

00:12:14.580 so many people. And their last dying words are, this can't be happening. It's not real. And when they

00:12:22.340 should be spending time FaceTiming their families, they're filled with anger and hatred. And it just

00:12:28.440 made me really sad the other night. And I just can't believe that those are going to be their last

00:12:33.500 thoughts and words. Anger and hatred towards you?

00:12:39.300 You know, I think it's just a belief that it's not real. And nursing happens to be on the receiving

00:12:45.400 end of that. And that's okay. We can take that. That's what you're there for. It's just in the

00:12:51.060 bigger picture when you try to reason with people of, can I call your family, your kids, your wife,

00:12:55.900 your friend, your brother, and they say, no, because I'm going to be fine. And you're watching

00:13:01.140 their oxygen levels, you know, maxed out on what we call vapotherm at 100%, and their oxygen level

00:13:07.180 might be 75. That's not really that compatible with life. And we know where that's going to head.

00:13:12.420 And it just makes you sad and mad and frustrated. And then you know that you're just going to come

00:13:21.420 back and do it all over again. Now, I don't know if I really buy everything that she just said there,

00:13:26.000 to be perfectly honest with you. And this interview went on for like five or six minutes. And I don't

00:13:30.560 know if I buy everything that she said there. But either way, and I rarely call for people to be

00:13:40.760 fired. But I would say that this woman should be fired. Because if you're an ER nurse, and you're 1.00

00:13:46.140 going and bad mouthing your dying patients on CNN, there is no excuse for that. I mean, how would

00:13:54.180 you if you're in South Dakota, and you have to go to the hospital for whatever reason, and this woman 0.78

00:13:59.240 walks in? How are you going to feel about that? You know, am I going to be thinking, am I going to be

00:14:05.840 someone that she talks about on CNN for her next CNN hit? So that's a problem. Also,

00:14:11.560 you know, what she's talking about? And notice that the anchor like this, this smug,

00:14:17.100 half smile on her face, we're talking about people dying. And she's just got this, this,

00:14:23.860 this smug smile, like, what idiots? These are dying people. But the other thing is,

00:14:31.380 what she's talking about, you know, if we trust everything that she's saying, let's just for the

00:14:37.060 sake of argument, let's say that that's all true. She's talking about people who are in denial,

00:14:41.100 right, about the fact that they're dying. Well, that's, that's common. And I'm not an ER nurse,

00:14:46.800 and I haven't been around a lot of dying people. But I have talked, I have, I have nurses in my

00:14:51.380 family. This is a question I've actually asked them about, you know, not, not, not dealing, not

00:14:55.860 specifically about COVID, but in general, you're dealing with someone who's in their final stages of

00:15:01.000 life. And what is that, what is that like to, to, to be around that? And what I've been told is that

00:15:06.280 this is a pretty common thing. And it's not surprising to hear that it is. It's pretty

00:15:09.560 common that people are in denial. People don't like to face the reality of what's happening.

00:15:13.180 It doesn't matter if they're dying of COVID or whatever, the cancer does, whatever it is.

00:15:16.860 People often are in denial about it, or they're, they're hoping to the very last moment that

00:15:20.980 a miracle will happen. Sometimes it does a lot of, most of the time it doesn't though.

00:15:25.720 That's why we call it a miracle. So that's a pretty common thing, I would think. And I would think

00:15:30.500 she's been around that before. Yeah. Now here she is to make a point about COVID insulting these

00:15:38.420 people on CNN. I just, it's absolutely despicable. Um, and get ready. You know, we thought we were

00:15:45.020 past this. So we saw a lot of this kind of thing, these nurses on CNN and MSNBC doing this kind of

00:15:51.080 thing, bringing attention to themselves, making dubious claims, um, revealing a real contempt for

00:15:58.300 their own patients. So we saw a lot of that back in like May and June. I think we're going to still

00:16:04.280 out. No, June's when the BLM riots started. So we, after that, at that point, that's when we stopped

00:16:07.540 hearing about it, but April and May, we saw a lot of it. That's going to start up again, which also

00:16:11.680 means, and I know now you're thinking, Oh God, does that mean that the dancing is going to start again

00:16:16.360 too? I think it is. There's going to be a second wave of dancing nurses. That's the thing I'm really

00:16:24.120 terrified of right now. Okay. Number, uh, number two, that the student debt cancellation idea was

00:16:30.320 trending online yesterday. I think because of this story, here's CNBC's report, uh, says in a recent

00:16:37.720 interview, Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer suggested that president elect Joe Biden, uh,

00:16:43.540 should issue significant student loan forgiveness through an executive order describing a possible

00:16:48.720 FDR style agenda, uh, during Biden's first 100 days. He said, uh, Schumer said, I have a proposal

00:16:55.560 with Elizabeth Warren that the first $50,000 of debt be vanquished, vanquished, vanquished the debt. 0.51

00:17:03.160 And one way to vanquish debt is to pay it back. I mean, you did sign on the dotted line after all.

00:17:09.620 And, uh, we believe that Joe Biden can do that with the pen as opposed to legislation. So you can just

00:17:15.200 sign something and get rid of $50,000 of debt. If you have student loan debt, that's gotta be nice.

00:17:21.220 Schumer also mentioned policies to address climate change, wealth inequality, immigration reform,

00:17:25.260 criminal justice reform. Uh, it's a big, bold agenda. He said, my job is to get as much of that

00:17:31.360 passed to get the votes for it, which obviously is not something I can snap my fingers and do.

00:17:35.040 Well, he can't snap his fingers and do that, but he can, but Joe Biden can apparently snap his fingers

00:17:39.460 and make $50,000 of debt go away, which, which makes you wonder, well, if he could do that with

00:17:45.760 student loan debt, what about my mortgage? Uh, what about a car loan payment? Can you do that for us

00:17:50.720 too? See, that's, that's one of the many problems with the student debt cancellation idea is that this

00:17:58.180 is just one form of debt that people are dealing with. I don't, I don't, I don't really see why this

00:18:04.200 should be the focus. You know, if, if you want to help people financially by getting rid of debt,

00:18:10.600 you can just make, make the mortgages go away. But here's, here's my real problem with the, with the,

00:18:16.860 um, whole student loan cancellation idea. Well, many problems with it, but here's one of them

00:18:22.080 that the people who are calling for this, you know, they would respond to what I just said a second

00:18:29.660 ago about how, well, you signed on the dotted line. I mean, how can you be a victim of a, an agreement

00:18:34.880 that you entered into willingly? And their response would be, well, these kids were taken

00:18:39.680 advantage of. This was predatory. Um, you know, these were, these were, these were kids basically.

00:18:45.500 I mean, they might, might've been 18 years old, but they're just out of high school and they don't

00:18:49.300 understand what they're doing. And they've been lied to. They've been given false hopes and false ideas

00:18:55.280 about what the future holds and how easy it's going to be to pay all this back. And they don't really

00:18:59.160 understand that they're going to be paying this for two decades or what that means for them

00:19:02.720 financially. And so they're, they're entering into this because they think they have no choice.

00:19:07.180 And the thing is, I agree. That's, that's true. I'm, I'm very sympathetic to that. I do think it's

00:19:12.220 predatory and I do think they're being taken advantage of. And I do think it's a scam.

00:19:18.020 And I do think that a lot of these kids are agreeing to this, not really understanding what

00:19:22.240 they're doing and they're agreeing to it. They're paying exorbitant amounts of money for an education

00:19:28.100 that simply is just not worth it, not worth that kind of money. But the problem is, so I can agree

00:19:34.620 with that, but that means we need to be having a conversation about the university system

00:19:41.880 fundamentally. And the people calling for loan cancellation, they don't want to talk about that.

00:19:48.500 So what they really want to do is they, they, they have, they have identified the beast,

00:19:55.820 which is the university system taking advantage of these kids.

00:20:00.300 But rather than slay the beast, they want to keep feeding the beast.

00:20:06.020 And so I just, I can't take it seriously until we're going to have a conversation about the whole,

00:20:10.120 the whole absurd idea that education should be this expensive in the first place.

00:20:14.320 And also that every single person in the country needs to have, what, 16 years of formal education

00:20:22.920 before they can get started living an adult life. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ludicrous.

00:20:31.000 And until we're, we're, we're ready to talk about that, um, this situation is not going to get any

00:20:37.320 better. You, you make, you snap your fingers and make the loans go away.

00:20:42.920 Okay. That's not going to cause the universities to charge less for tuition. If anything, it's going

00:20:48.820 to have the opposite effect. Okay. Number three, uh, I want to share this with you, a tweet from

00:20:55.360 Kamala Harris. It's just, it's utterly terrifying, but she says, know that Joe Biden and I will wake up

00:21:02.180 every single day thinking about you and your families.

00:21:05.440 This is exactly the problem. This is what the left doesn't understand. I don't, we don't want

00:21:15.280 that. I mean, I very much doubt it. First of all, I don't, I don't really believe it. First of all,

00:21:21.340 I don't, I don't believe that you're waking up every morning thinking about, uh, what can I do for

00:21:25.140 the American people today? But even if you are, that's not what we want. We don't want you waking up

00:21:33.240 every day thinking about what you can do for us. We want basically to be left alone as much as

00:21:39.140 possible. That's what most Americans want. Um, all right. My producer sent me this, something here

00:21:45.020 from pink news, the LGBT rag. So we'll see how far we can get through this. Um, it says 0.73

00:21:53.560 new call of duty gives players proper non-binary option and the most toxic of gamers are reacting 1.00

00:22:02.940 exactly as you'd expect. The article says, are you non-binary? Have you always dreamt that one day 0.90

00:22:09.360 you could serve Ronald Reagan and join the American military industrial complex and carry out war crimes?

00:22:15.200 I have dreamt. I'm not non-binary, but I, that is something I've dreamt about. If that sounds pretty

00:22:19.700 neat to you, then now's your chance. In call of duty, black ops, cold war players now have the

00:22:24.660 option to, in a first for the series, single player mode, choose their gender, which includes a non-binary

00:22:30.100 option. It comes after early reveals of video game in August by publisher giant Activision revealed

00:22:36.040 that users, uh, were eager to play as imperialist war hungry killers could list their custom characters

00:22:41.920 gender as male, female, or classified. The move sparked a grab bag of reaction from LGBT plus gamers

00:22:48.900 who, uh, wondered why black ops couldn't just provide a dedicated non-binary option.

00:22:55.620 The game's creative director initially sought to clarify during a venture beat round table that,

00:22:59.920 okay, I can't go on this. That's as far as I can go. I thought this was going to,

00:23:04.300 a whole article, but this, this is what people are worried about in America now.

00:23:09.440 Having, having non-binary options for their video games.

00:23:13.480 Here's something that's more important. Okay. This, this is news that actually matters.

00:23:19.340 A lot of headlines over the last day because it, I mean, many headlines. I saw this all over

00:23:25.240 social media. Maybe you saw it too. Because some hunters killed a moose that has pretty colors.

00:23:32.760 So huge scandal here, huge outrage. This is the New York post report. It says first nations in Canada

00:23:39.300 are mourning the loss of a rare white moose, asking why anyone with a license to hunt would

00:23:45.080 choose their ghostly spirit animal. In Ontario, two female moose were found shot and left discarded

00:23:51.320 along a service road, bodies intact, including a sacred white cow. The poachers had evidently

00:23:57.180 ignored the many signs warning against killing the legally protected creatures.

00:24:01.660 The uncommon white moose get their ashen coloring from a recessive gene, are revealed similar to white

00:24:07.420 bison, ravens, and grizzly bears. In 2013, three hunters in Nova Scotia were charged with killing

00:24:12.340 a white moose and were forced to return the animal's pelt to the tribe, though they kept the

00:24:17.260 head as a trophy. Wildlife officials are asking locals to help lead to the killer and Woodhouse and

00:24:23.400 others in the area, including animal activists, have pooled $8,000 for anyone who can lead to the

00:24:28.520 culprit. So I just have two questions here. Number one, why does, why does the color actually matter?

00:24:33.100 I mean, what's the difference between shooting a moose with one kind of fur and a moose with

00:24:40.140 white color? I mean, we can make a joke here about white privilege for mooses, I guess. 0.74

00:24:44.580 But the other interesting thing is that, and you find this a lot on the left,

00:24:49.060 you know, what they tell us is that, well, this is a, it's a sacred moose, according to the

00:24:52.260 indigenous people. And even in this New York Post report, they actually just refer to it as a sacred

00:24:58.360 moose. Not even like they claim it's sacred. It's sacred. It's a sacred moose. That's not really

00:25:04.100 sacred. It's just according to that religion it is. So interesting thing on the left where the only

00:25:09.480 religion they respect or care about are, you know, indigenous religions. If this was something about

00:25:16.600 Christians upset because some sacred thing of theirs was defiled, you know, I don't think the left 0.98

00:25:21.580 would care. I don't think we would see headlines about that. But the moose, yeah, that matters,

00:25:25.600 apparently. All right, we're going to get to our daily cancellation in just a second. But

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00:27:27.940 For today's daily cancellation, we begin with Vogue Magazine's latest issue, which features

00:27:33.720 Harry Styles in a dress. The lengthy profile of Styles has many more photos of the man in an array

00:27:40.040 of skirts, dresses, other frilly assortments. We're told by various interview subjects that

00:27:45.600 Styles' cross-dressing represents, quote, the image of a new era, of the way that a man can look.

00:27:51.980 And that the pop star is, quote, redefining what it can mean to be a man with confidence.

00:27:56.480 It is revolutionary, quote-unquote, to see someone who is so, quote, in touch with his feminine side.

00:28:00.960 Now, the actress Olivia Wilde, in the profile, she goes further. She says,

00:28:06.860 I hope that this brand of confidence as a male that Harry has, truly devoid of any traces of toxic

00:28:11.620 masculinity, is indicative of his generation, therefore the future of the world, she says

00:28:16.900 about a guy wearing a blouse. I think he's in many ways championing that, spearheading that.

00:28:22.300 It's pretty powerful and kind of extraordinary to see someone in this position redefining what it

00:28:26.800 can mean to be a man with confidence. Now, not everyone is a fan of this supposed revolution

00:28:32.720 of men wearing dresses. You can count me in the not everyone camp. Also, Candace Owens,

00:28:38.060 whose tweet on the subject sparked a massive online backlash. She wrote in response to the Vogue piece,

00:28:43.320 she says, there is no society that can survive without strong men. The East knows this. In the West,

00:28:47.940 the steady feminization of our men, at the same time that Marxism is being taught to our children,

00:28:52.180 is not a coincidence. It is an outright attack. Bring back manly men, she says.

00:28:58.680 Now, the counter arguments to Owens, myself, Ben Shapiro, who was also trending yesterday for

00:29:03.720 committing the crime of agreeing with Candace Owens, the counter arguments to us and anyone else

00:29:09.400 who questions whether we should be redefining what it can mean to be a man in this way, mostly have

00:29:15.300 revolved around the theme that we're making too big a deal out of it. And it's weird that we care so

00:29:20.920 much. And seriously, it's just a dude in a dress. What's the big deal? This is the tried and true

00:29:26.740 leftist culture war tactic. And we have to really realize what they're doing because it never changes.

00:29:33.660 We've seen the same play countless times already. They mock the other side for supposedly making a

00:29:39.360 big deal out of the very thing they were just insisting is a big deal. They throw a parade to

00:29:46.820 celebrate some ridiculous thing or another. And then they insist that any random straggler who

00:29:51.920 declines to join them is a hysterical weirdo whose sin somehow is caring too much about it.

00:29:58.220 They're the ones throwing the parade. All we're saying is, you know, I'd rather not.

00:30:02.860 And they say, what do you care so much about? What are you making such a big deal out of this?

00:30:06.420 They present one side of the argument and hope to win the dispute by convincing you

00:30:10.500 that only a freakish loser would bother presenting the other side. They try and often succeed in

00:30:16.740 dressing something up as both a revolutionary, world-changing act and a totally banal, normal,

00:30:24.860 everyday occurrence that should barely attract notice. They shout, why are you looking over here?

00:30:30.800 Right after they just shouted, hey, look over here. People who have good arguments don't bother with

00:30:37.000 mind games. And these are mind games. In reality, the fact that Harry Styles himself wears dresses

00:30:43.220 is indeed banal and uninteresting. You know, I would not have elected to publish a 5,000-word

00:30:49.200 cover story on the subject, but that was Vogue's choice, not mine. There is nothing particularly

00:30:53.680 revolutionary or earth-shattering about a pop star dressing in silly outfits. Pop stars have been

00:30:58.240 doing that since the dawn of the genre. But the overall attempt by our culture to redefine

00:31:03.960 masculinity and feminized men is important, and it is certainly worth fighting against. 1.00

00:31:10.200 Different times and places have had slightly different ideas about how men and women ought to

00:31:14.160 look and act, but none have ever declared that men and women are the same and ought to look the same

00:31:21.000 way and do the same things. That is our unique innovation, and the results have already been

00:31:26.520 catastrophic in our culture. A society without a clear idea of what a man is or what a woman is

00:31:31.040 and what a man does is a society that breeds despair individually and decay collectively,

00:31:37.880 and we're witnessing that right now. It's not that one cross-dressing dude can have this effect.

00:31:43.260 There have been cross-dressing dudes since time immemorial, as many on the left have

00:31:47.040 correctly pointed out. The difference is that cross-dressing in times past was seen as bizarre,

00:31:55.000 different, usually done for a laugh. Masculinity itself was not threatened by it because society's

00:32:02.620 recognition of masculinity and its respect for its boundaries is what made the spectacle of a guy in

00:32:08.880 a dress funny in the first place. So in the same way, you know, a guy belching at the dinner table

00:32:14.380 might be funny, depending on your sense of humor, but it doesn't threaten to destroy the rules of

00:32:19.600 etiquette unless we all start pretending that there are no rules to destroy in the first place.

00:32:24.700 Then you'll end up with a lot more people burping at the dinner table, and none of it will be funny

00:32:28.140 anymore. The thing that makes it funny is that it violates the rules. The point is that there's a

00:32:33.680 clear difference between merely crossing a boundary, you know, for a laugh, to make a point, to be a jerk,

00:32:38.440 to get attention, whatever, and erasing the boundary entirely. So when the left is not doing its,

00:32:45.500 aw, shucks, what's the big deal, folks, routine, it will freely admit that it is reaching for the

00:32:51.400 latter goal, to erase the boundaries of masculinity and create a post-gender society where the words 0.99

00:32:57.500 man and woman have no meaning. Now, it can never actually succeed in this task because it's fighting 0.97

00:33:02.600 against biological realities, which can never be fully superseded, but it can settle for making

00:33:07.560 people disoriented, especially children. It can create an environment where boys are made to be

00:33:14.120 more feminine, girls more masculine, and neither has any idea who they really are. Confusion is the

00:33:20.320 ultimate objective, and the left will celebrate anybody who contributes to it in whatever small

00:33:25.900 way. And so Harry Styles is canceled, yes, but more so I'm canceling everyone who wants to

00:33:32.200 revolutionize masculinity and yet refuses to at least be honest about what they're doing.

00:33:37.660 And by the way, even if Styles didn't wear a dress at all, I'd still cancel him for this picture

00:33:42.920 right here. This was also in the Vogue spread. That's a kilt he's wearing, not a skirt, so that's

00:33:48.620 fine. He gets by on the technicality here, but he's also jumping on a trampoline. Men should never

00:33:54.880 be photographed jumping on trampolines, especially when they're wearing kilts, and especially because

00:34:00.200 they had to bring this trampoline out to this field in order for him to jump on it. They brought

00:34:05.540 a trampoline out into a field of flowers, put him in a kilt, and had him jump on it and took pictures.

00:34:10.240 The whole thing is terribly undignified, even more so than the dresses in my view. So that's

00:34:15.160 canceled. Everybody's canceled. And we'll leave it there. Thanks for watching, everybody. Thanks

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The Matt Walsh Show - November 17, 2020

Ep. 604 - Public Health Experts Destroyed Their Own Credibility And Will Never Get It Back

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