The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 646 - Ten Years In Federal Prison For A Meme

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the FBI is now arresting Trump supporters for posting memes.

00:00:05.200 Yes, that's happening. Also, five headlines, including the drama on the stock market and

00:00:08.700 Harriet Tubman replacing Andrew Jackson on the 20. And our daily cancellation, we'll discuss the

00:00:12.840 Instagram baby expert who was doxed, harassed, and boycotted after it was revealed that she 0.82

00:00:18.700 had committed the crime of donating to Donald Trump. That and a whole lot more to cover today

00:00:22.620 on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:30.000 The FBI, apparently having finished its investigation into Bubba Wallace's garage

00:00:35.940 door pull and looking for a new dragon to slay, showed up yesterday at the home of a Trump

00:00:41.620 supporting former Twitter troll and took him into custody on charges of, as a press release from

00:00:47.000 the DOJ puts it, depriving individuals of their constitutional right to vote. The formal criminal

00:00:53.180 complaint alleges more specifically that the accused Douglas Mackey, aka Ricky Vaughn, that's

00:00:59.540 the name of his Twitter account, which has been suspended for years now. They say he conspired

00:01:05.500 to, quote, injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate persons in the free exercise of a right and

00:01:11.560 privilege secured to them by the Constitution. The rest of the complaint makes it clear that

00:01:16.000 all of this supposed injuring, oppressing, threatening, and intimidating was conducted in the form of

00:01:22.800 memes. Mackey faces 10 years in federal prison for memes. Now, admittedly, it's not a great shock,

00:01:30.800 I guess, to find Joe Biden's government arresting and prosecuting people for posting memes. If there's

00:01:36.180 any surprise here, it's perhaps only that it took less than two weeks to get to this point.

00:01:41.640 The New York Times has some more details on the case. They say federal prosecutors accused Douglas

00:01:46.420 Mackey 31 of coordinating with co-conspirators to spread memes on Twitter, falsely claiming that

00:01:52.840 Hillary Clinton supporters could vote by sending a text message to a specific phone number.

00:01:57.080 As a result of the misinformation campaign, prosecutors said at least 4,900 people, or rather

00:02:02.480 4,900 unique phone numbers, texted the number in a futile effort to cast votes for Mrs. Clinton.

00:02:07.460 Their effort to misinform voters began after the group saw a similar campaign intended to deceive

00:02:12.440 voters in the 2016 referendum in Britain on whether to leave the European Union, also known as Brexit,

00:02:18.040 according to the complaint. Mr. Mackey and his associates created their own version, sharing

00:02:21.940 photos that urged Mrs. Clinton's supporters to vote for her on election day using a hashtag on Twitter

00:02:27.100 or on Facebook. To make the images look more legitimate, they affixed the logo of her campaign

00:02:32.300 and linked to her website. Some of their memes appeared to target Black and Latino voters.

00:02:38.100 One image had a Black woman standing in front of a sign supporting Mrs. Clinton,

00:02:41.760 telling people to vote for Mrs. Clinton by texting a specific number. Mr. Mackey shared a similar

00:02:46.640 image written in Spanish, according to prosecutors. Okay. Now, back when Mackey and his dastardly

00:02:52.900 co-conspirators first hatched this plan to oppress and injure the innocent through memes,

00:02:58.720 BuzzFeed published a report on the plot, which included a screenshot of what those 4,900 people

00:03:04.220 who texted the number apparently would have received in response. The Clinton campaign sent a reply text,

00:03:10.760 because this was a text going to the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign sent a reply text

00:03:15.780 informing them that the ad was not legitimate. So there is then no reason to think that all of

00:03:22.980 those 4,900 people or any of them actually did stay home on election day under the assumption that

00:03:28.540 they'd already voted through text. Because according to BuzzFeed's own report, they were given a message

00:03:33.460 back saying that was not legitimate what you saw in the meme. Words to that effect.

00:03:38.040 It would seem difficult for the federal government to prove that anyone was deprived their right to vote

00:03:43.820 when, for all they know, for all we know, the alleged victims did, in fact, vote.

00:03:50.400 That, of course, is all beside the point. The real question is whether it's actually possible for a person

00:03:55.660 to be deprived of their rights or to be injured, much less oppressed, through a meme.

00:04:00.920 And the answer to that would be seemed to be no. At least if there is a meme capable of persecuting

00:04:07.360 all who look upon it, like some sort of horror movie, you just look at the image and you're

00:04:11.940 oppressed. The ones that Mackie posted surely do not fit that bill. I don't know what that meme

00:04:17.040 would look like. I don't know what a persecuting oppressive meme would look like. I just know that

00:04:22.300 it doesn't look like this. A constitutional right is infringed, impeded, or removed when a person is,

00:04:30.360 through force or threat, prevented from exercising it. Nobody was prevented from doing anything in

00:04:36.920 this case. If there are any rights being infringed upon, it's the First Amendment right of Douglas Mackey.

00:04:43.480 And if any individual was so unfathomably stupid as to read a joke meme on Twitter and take its voting 0.99

00:04:52.540 guidance seriously without even doing five seconds of additional research, because that's all you 1.00

00:04:57.080 would need to do. If you're dumb, you need to be two levels of stupid here. Stupid enough to see that 1.00

00:05:01.940 and not immediately recognize it as a joke. And then also so stupid that you don't take five seconds 1.00

00:05:06.860 to just Google, can I vote through text message? That's all it would have taken. And if you couldn't put 1.00

00:05:12.900 in that effort and you were that stupid, then the fault lies with you. Now, you can't always 1.00

00:05:19.980 victim blame in cases of fraud. But when the supposed quote unquote fraud is a silly picture

00:05:26.600 on Twitter telling you to vote in a presidential election with a hashtag or a text message, yeah,

00:05:31.800 the victim does indeed deserve the blame. I am 100% victim blaming. I blame the victims, totally.

00:05:37.540 And I also have zero sympathy for them. If anything, the alleged oppressor has done us a favor by

00:05:44.880 weeding out the sort of terminal morons who shouldn't be voting in the first place. 0.97

00:05:49.760 I realize that's not a valid legal defense, however, but just on a personal note, I'm quite glad. 1.00

00:05:56.500 Anyone who's stupid enough to fall for something like that, I am happy if they don't vote. 1.00

00:06:00.100 Thank God they don't vote. Now, consider the precedent that's quite intentionally being set 1.00

00:06:07.080 here. You know, a very common joke on social media around the time of any election is for

00:06:12.260 supporters of one candidate to announce that the supporters of any other are allowed to vote a day

00:06:16.740 late or, you know, something like that. Those jokes are very common. You see them around election day

00:06:21.940 all the time. So is anyone who made a joke like that now guilty of a federal crime? If you've made a

00:06:28.000 joke like that on the internet at any point in your life, are you now liable to go to jail for 10

00:06:33.260 years? I mean, does 10 years in prison sound like a reasonable sentence? Even if you agree that it's

00:06:38.620 a crime, 10 years, which I don't, 10 years in prison for that? And if it's now a felony to post a meme

00:06:48.920 with disinformation that may influence voting behavior, how far does that go? I mean, there are many

00:06:56.580 false or dubious political claims made in the form of memes. Almost all memes have false or dubious

00:07:04.580 information. Almost everything on the internet does. Are we going to prosecute everyone who posts

00:07:10.320 or retweets one? I mean, isn't that the implication here? If you even retweet a meme that has false

00:07:17.440 information that may arguably influence the voting behavior of some people, it's a crime. Go to jail.

00:07:23.100 But if that's what we're doing, why are we not breaking down the doors of people

00:07:27.940 who posted claims about Donald Trump being a Nazi? Why are we frog marching them off to jail?

00:07:34.660 That's disinformation. And if believed, it could very well influence how somebody votes.

00:07:41.100 Of course, my question is rhetorical. Disinformation used against Republicans never has been and never

00:07:47.280 will be prosecuted. Mackey's crime is not that he posted information, disinformation,

00:07:53.400 or that he infringed on anybody's right, but that he did what he did in support of Donald Trump.

00:07:59.760 That's the crime. The only way around this conclusion is to, is, is the only way you could

00:08:04.400 get around this and prove me wrong is if you can point to leftist meme posters who have also been

00:08:11.540 arrested or else to claim that leftists never post dishonest memes. And so that's why they don't

00:08:16.440 get arrested for them. But there are no examples of the former and anyone who claims the latter is

00:08:21.840 guilty of disinformation themselves. In fact, just to prove my point here, here is one example that

00:08:28.080 this just came to my attention right before we went on the air. Christina Wong, she's an alleged 1.00

00:08:33.080 comedian. I think there's some disinformation in that claim alone. But let me show you a video that

00:08:39.200 she posted on Twitter. This is on November 8th, 2016. Here's what she posted. Watch.

00:08:44.600 Hey, everybody. This is Christina Wong. And I'm coming out. I'm a Trump supporter. And I just want

00:08:51.820 to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump to vote. Vote for Trump

00:08:57.920 on Wednesday, November 9th. Really important day. We're going to show this country who's boss. And

00:09:03.760 that's our man, Donald Trump. So don't forget to vote Donald Trump on November 9th.

00:09:10.440 Huh. Huh. See, as far as I'm aware, Ms. Wong has not been raided by the FBI. There are no 30-page

00:09:20.540 criminal complaints being filed against this woman. And that's all you need to know. I mean,

00:09:28.180 if there was any doubt in your mind whatsoever about whether or not this new policy, this new law

00:09:35.180 is being enforced equally, well, there you go. And we could sit here all day, post, give you similar

00:09:42.380 examples, similar jokes like that, all kinds of disinformation related to Donald Trump.

00:09:49.460 Much of it not even coming in the form of memes, but coming from the media, coming in the form of

00:09:54.540 headlines, news articles, stories, we're not prosecuting any of that. And that's because

00:10:01.300 there is, there has been for a long time and will especially be now a two-tiered justice system.

00:10:08.160 There's the justice system for the cultural heretics. And if you're on the right, then that's 1.00

00:10:14.500 where you belong. You're a cultural heretic. And there's just system for people like Ms. Wong there. 1.00

00:10:20.060 Someone who has the correct, who believes in the correct orthodoxy, who has the correct views.

00:10:28.140 There's a lot of things she can do that you cannot anymore because you'll go to prison. 1.00

00:10:36.140 And saying there's a two-tiered justice system where we have two-tiered justice, that's just

00:10:39.400 another way of saying we don't have justice in this country. There is no justice. There is no law.

00:10:43.720 There is but the whims of the elite. And that's the way it's going to go now.

00:10:52.500 Anyone who's not, who has not woken up to that reality, time to wake up. Now let's get to our

00:10:58.960 five headlines. Now you've no doubt heard what's happening with Wall Street, the stock market,

00:11:11.500 GameStop. If you haven't heard, well, unfortunately I'm too dumb to explain. So you're kind of out of 0.98

00:11:18.540 luck. But let me, I'll read, this is one of the latest, this is from Reuters. The latest on all

00:11:24.620 of this says that almost 60% surge in shares of American airlines led stellar gains for a series

00:11:31.440 of social media hype stocks on Thursday, broadening a battle between small-time traders and major

00:11:35.600 Wall Street institutions that has shaken U.S. and European stock markets. GameStop, the video game

00:11:40.540 chain, whose 1,700% rally has been at the heart of the slugfest the past week, retreated after

00:11:46.600 initially adding another 30% in early trading on Reddit. Now you can tell when I'm reading this, I

00:11:51.520 have very little idea what I'm even reading. I think that comes through, doesn't it? On Reddit,

00:11:56.280 on Reddit thread Wall Street bets, where calls to buy stocks have helped drive the extraordinary

00:12:00.520 moves. Some of its more than 4 million members reported trading platform Robinhood was now

00:12:04.720 preventing investors from buying new shares in GameStop and other companies. Robinhood,

00:12:10.900 one of the biggest of the easy access apps that has spurred the development of a huge online

00:12:14.720 community of amateur traders, did not immediately respond to requests for comment. So now they're

00:12:18.080 preventing it. Now, if I could just break this down, everything that's happening on the stock

00:12:23.200 market, if you don't understand, and I could really break it down for you. Just to simplify,

00:12:28.600 let me explain. So basically what's happening is, just to make it really simple, if I were to really

00:12:36.540 break this down and really simplify everything, and if I'm going to actually explain it, you know,

00:12:43.620 there's a number of things that I would say to explain it, because I totally understand. I do.

00:12:49.980 But in fact, it's too complicated. I can't explain it. I'm not going to bother. Let's go to the White 1.00

00:12:53.980 House press conference, though. The question was asked about all of this, and even though I admit

00:13:00.720 I don't understand much about the stock market or anything at all, really, I can listen to this 0.96

00:13:06.900 answer, and I can tell that this is completely bogus and ridiculous. Let's listen. 0.95

00:13:12.000 If the White House is concerned about the stock market activity we're seeing around GameStop,

00:13:15.920 and now with some other stocks as well, including the subsidiary or whatever, the company that was

00:13:23.940 Blockbuster, and have there been any conversations with the SEC about how to proceed?

00:13:30.520 Well, I'm also happy to repeat that we have the first female Treasury Secretary and a team that's

00:13:36.620 surrounding her, and often questions about market we'll send to them. But our team is, of course,

00:13:41.400 our economic team, including Secretary Yellen and others, are monitoring the situation. It's a good

00:13:46.080 reminder, though, that the stock market isn't the only measure of the health of our economy. It

00:13:50.900 doesn't reflect how working and middle-class families are doing. As you all know from covering

00:13:55.420 this, we're in the midst of a case-shaped recovery. America's workers are struggling to make ends meet,

00:14:00.000 which is why the president has introduced this urgent package to get immediate relief.

00:14:05.240 Yeah, like I said, I'm not a financial expert myself, but I'm pretty sure that the gender of the 0.99

00:14:11.140 Treasury Secretary has nothing to do with anything whatsoever. So I can point out that BS, at least.

00:14:18.940 This kind of goes back to what we were talking about before. You think about how stupid you have to be 1.00

00:14:22.460 to fall for the means, right? Even if you don't know anything about voting at all, 1.00

00:14:29.520 right, you should still be able to pick up on obvious BS, even if you know nothing about the

00:14:37.280 subject. If you have even just a moderately well-tuned BS detector, you should be able to pick

00:14:43.860 up on a joke meme. And so in this case, don't know anything about the stock market, I've got at least

00:14:49.820 a moderately tuned BS detector, so I can listen to that answer and know, okay, that's ridiculous.

00:14:57.840 Of course, it has nothing to do with anything. What I will say, if I were to give any analysis

00:15:01.960 whatsoever of what's happening on the stock market, I don't know much. I do think it's funny. As far as

00:15:07.500 I can tell, it seems pretty funny, and that's all I've got. That's all I can tell you. Let's move on to

00:15:12.060 something I know a little bit more about. Staying with the White House press briefing for a moment.

00:15:15.680 This is from a couple of days ago. I've been wanting to bring this up. The question being asked here is

00:15:20.020 about the plan to put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill, which means taking Andrew Jackson off,

00:15:26.680 putting her on. Let's listen to that. 0.89

00:15:28.780 The Obama administration initially had wanted to put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill. The Trump 0.56

00:15:36.300 administration dragged their feet on that. I wanted to see if the Biden administration has a

00:15:41.420 view of the timeline on whether or not she should be on the paper currency.

00:15:47.260 I was here when we announced that, and it was very exciting. It hasn't moved forward yet, which we

00:15:52.100 would have been surprised to learn at the time. The Treasury Department is taking steps to resume

00:15:56.640 efforts to put Harriet Tubman on the front of the new $20 notes. It's important that our notes,

00:16:03.880 our money, if people don't know what a note is, reflect the history and diversity of our country.

00:16:10.220 And Harriet Tubman's image, gracing the new $20 note, would certainly reflect that. So we're

00:16:15.180 exploring ways to speed up that effort. But any specifics would, of course, come from the Department

00:16:19.840 of Treasury. So this is the kind of thing that we're all supposed to simply support without any

00:16:26.420 protest. And of course, if you don't support it, then you're racist. And I have been disappointed,

00:16:32.500 though not surprised, to find so many conservatives, of course, going along with this and say, oh,

00:16:37.320 I don't, I would never object. I would, maybe some would object to this, but I certainly would not.

00:16:42.500 But Harriet Tubman, put her on all the money. Of course, go ahead. We should honor Harriet Tubman,

00:16:48.920 they say. Well, I agree. I'm all for honoring Harriet Tubman. There are many ways to do that.

00:16:55.860 There are many ways that we have honored her. There are many additional ways that we could.

00:17:00.600 The point here, the question, the issue at hand is not whether to honor Harriet Tubman.

00:17:06.360 On that point, I think there's probably almost universal agreement. The question is actually

00:17:13.180 whether to dishonor, to take the honor away from Andrew Jackson, because that's actually the point.

00:17:20.220 That's why the left wants to do this. It's not about Harriet Tubman. It's about Andrew Jackson.

00:17:26.100 And what is it about him? Well, it's about, it's about the fact that he was an old white guy that

00:17:30.600 lived a long time ago. And we have learned that if you belong to that category, or if you belong to

00:17:36.260 that category, then you have to be erased from the history books and you're not allowed to be

00:17:40.020 honored in any way whatsoever. It's not, it's not like Andrew Jackson is the only one they're

00:17:46.420 targeting. In fact, and we'll maybe talk more about this tomorrow, but San Francisco school board,

00:17:52.680 the latest one, it's decided to rename, I think it's something like 40 different schools,

00:17:58.340 including Lincoln High School, Washington. They got a school named after Washington,

00:18:02.940 taking those down too. So eventually, you know, eventually we're going to be taking all the other

00:18:09.540 money is going to be changed too, taking their faces off the money as well. But that's what this

00:18:15.480 is about. So when I say I'm not in favor of putting Harriet Tubman on the 20, what I really mean is I'm 0.64

00:18:21.580 not in favor of taking Andrew Jackson off because I believe he was a great and consequential American.

00:18:27.340 It doesn't mean I think he was a saint in all respects. It doesn't mean that I think he was a

00:18:32.940 perfect, but most great people are not. In fact, no great people are or were, except for Jesus Christ.

00:18:42.580 Anyone outside of that, not perfect. And in fact, the thing we know about great and consequential

00:18:48.000 people is that they often have great and consequential flaws as well.

00:18:52.520 When you are operating on a certain level, you know, your virtues are going to be magnified,

00:19:03.020 but your vices are also going to be magnified. That's the way it goes.

00:19:07.760 That's why I always talk about if we're going to hold, if this is the standard we're applying

00:19:11.280 to one person who lived back in history, to one historical figure, then really you have to apply

00:19:17.760 it to everyone, which means eventually there's going to be nobody left of any race, nation, creed,

00:19:21.680 or gender that we can honor. If they lived, you know, if they lived like 10 years ago or earlier,

00:19:29.560 there's no one left who isn't problematic. So no, this, this is something we should be against

00:19:34.580 and we should, we should protest. We should, we should be against, we should oppose this.

00:19:38.980 Taking Andrew Jackson off. You want to come up with a, with a, you know, a new, a new currency

00:19:45.960 for Harriet Tubman or really anything else. Build her, she's already got statues and monuments, 1.00

00:19:50.740 build another one, build 50 of them for all I care. Andrew Jackson should stay on the $20 bill.

00:19:57.680 To my mind. All right. ABC7 New York has this story. It says, target is the latest company to drop

00:20:03.420 Chalco. I think it's Chalco coconut milk over allegations of forced monkey labor.

00:20:10.540 PETA said the retailer will no longer sell the product because of its alleged ties to monkey labor.

00:20:17.120 Chalco's tie suppliers accused of forcing monkeys to pick coconuts from the trees.

00:20:22.100 In a statement to USA Today, Target said it takes those claims seriously and remove the product in

00:20:26.060 November. PETA said in a statement by dropping Chalco, Target is joining thousands of stores that

00:20:33.380 refuse to profit from chained monkeys misery. According to PETA, 26,000 rather stores, including

00:20:40.100 chains, Wegmans, Food Lion, and Stop and Shop have cut ties with the coconut milk brand.

00:20:45.640 A couple of things here. First of all, as I've made clear, coconut milk is not actually a thing.

00:20:50.040 Doesn't, doesn't exist. You don't, you don't get milk as a dairy product. You don't get that from,

00:20:55.160 from coconuts. Second thing is forced monkey labor. I never realized that was a thing until I read this

00:21:02.080 story. And also speaking of dairy products. Okay. So you hear, I don't know what exactly could be

00:21:09.900 entailed in forced monkey labor. How do you force monkeys to climb a tree and pick coconuts?

00:21:18.120 You know, I guess you could domesticate, domesticate monkeys like you do any other animal,

00:21:22.220 but that's the point. So forced monkey labor is, if that's what's happening here, forced monkey labor 0.98

00:21:30.180 is some sort of horrible crime. So you're not going to have coconut milk, but you'll still serve regular

00:21:37.020 milk, which comes from cows. What about forced cow labor? Cows, cows don't make the free choice to be 1.00

00:21:45.980 on dairy farms, do they? What about the forced labor of horses and pigs and dogs? All that forced,

00:21:56.780 it's all slavery, isn't it? We just, we have this hierarchy in our heads of animals. It's like,

00:22:03.120 there's certain animals you can eat, certain that you can't, certain you can domesticate, certain you

00:22:06.680 can't. A lot of it has to do with how cute we think they are or how much we have anthropomorphized

00:22:14.400 them in our own minds. How often they appear in Disney films. Like these, all these things factor

00:22:21.600 in, and this is what determines in our heads what we can do with these different animals. It's not

00:22:26.020 really based in anything though. So yes, I think I'm coming out in favor of forced monkey labor. 1.00

00:22:32.580 I think I'm, I think I'm okay with it. Honestly, I don't know a lot about the practice. I'm not in

00:22:37.340 favor of, you know, abusing monkeys. I wouldn't be in favor of abusing cows. And really when you think

00:22:43.520 about it, yeah, if, if, if you're, you know, a poor villager and you harvest coconuts for a living,

00:22:50.260 well, you got to get up. You might not have equipment to get up in those trees and you got to get up

00:22:56.000 pretty high in the trees, um, which is a dangerous job. And so someone's got to climb up in the trees

00:23:02.280 to get the coconuts. I think I'd rather a monkey be forced to do it rather than a person because a 1.00

00:23:06.520 person could climb up there and fall and die. Sure. That happens all the time. So yeah, you can put me

00:23:14.220 in the, put me in the column of pro forced monkey labor. Um, all right. This is from eater.com and says

00:23:21.480 in line with one of president Joe Biden's chief campaign promises, congressional Democrats

00:23:25.760 introduced historic legislation. This is from a couple of days ago that would more than double

00:23:29.840 the hourly minimum wage of the country's most poorly paid workers to $15 an hour. Uh, the measure would

00:23:36.860 also eventually eliminate the lower tipped minimum wage that most waiters, bartenders, and bussers earn

00:23:41.620 in New York and other States. Despite Republican opposition, a process known as budget reconciliation

00:23:46.040 appears to give the so-called raise the wage act, the chance of being signed into law.

00:23:49.540 So $15 an hour, this is just a, of course we've, we, we, we've known about this effort for a long

00:23:56.780 time. Will the Democrats actually manage to pass it through? Um, I would say yes, probably. And the

00:24:05.100 effects will be absolutely disastrous. You look at what the Democrats are doing here. Um, already they've,

00:24:13.160 they have, it was largely, we're talking about Democrat governors and mayors who have had the

00:24:17.800 strictest lockdowns in effect, still in effect in many places, uh, for almost a year now. And so

00:24:24.160 they've wiped out millions of jobs. And now we're just sort of trying to claw back, get the economy

00:24:29.580 back. People are trying to get back to work. Vaccines being rolled out. We're going to get into

00:24:33.660 spring in the warmer months. And now they're coming back and they're kneecapping all the economy.

00:24:38.980 Again, we're shutting down the Keystone pipeline. And now we're going to $15 minimum wage

00:24:43.800 wipe out thousands of jobs all at once.

00:24:50.880 That's why I really wish you talk about the effects of disinformation. I don't really care

00:24:55.520 about memes, but the kind of disinformation that I worry about is for example, the disinformation

00:25:00.100 that makes someone who's let's say a minimum wage worker. And they read about raising the minimum wage

00:25:05.560 because they have been influenced by disinformation from the media. They celebrate it. They say,

00:25:10.280 oh, this is going to be great. I'm going to make $15 an hour. No, what they don't understand is that

00:25:13.920 this probably means that you're not going to have a job. You're going to go from whatever you're

00:25:18.040 making now, $10 an hour, uh, to zero. That's, what's going to happen.

00:25:24.520 Whether you work for a big company or small company, small company, small businesses,

00:25:29.200 especially that have been, that have been in particularly devastated by the lockdowns,

00:25:33.100 they're not going to have the money to, to automatically overnight raise all these wages.

00:25:38.880 So they're going to have to cut down their labor force. If you work at a place like McDonald's

00:25:43.900 already, you go into a McDonald's and, um, the common experience now is that there are a couple

00:25:50.200 of people behind the cash registers and then they've also got the, the touchscreens.

00:25:54.400 And so what's McDonald's going to do? They're going to say, okay, well, we'll just, we'll,

00:25:59.640 we'll go to all touchscreen. What do we don't even need the people at the, you know, you can insert

00:26:03.180 the money or your credit card into the, into the, uh, the console there. What do we need? We don't,

00:26:07.300 we don't even need anybody there. All we need are people, some people in the back to, uh, cook the

00:26:12.460 food and maybe we need some people working the drive-through, but we don't need anybody. So these jobs

00:26:16.100 are just going to get eliminated. The other thing to keep in mind with, um, with the minimum wage,

00:26:21.720 and this is always lost in the conversation, but first of all, a very small number of hourly

00:26:29.680 workers in America are actually getting paid the federal minimum wage. Almost all people who are

00:26:37.060 hourly workers in America are getting paid more than minimum wage already. I don't have the numbers

00:26:43.140 in front of me. The percentage is small. It's like two or 3% of hourly workers that are getting paid

00:26:47.820 the minimum wage. Many of those workers are young. Many of them are teenagers. Uh, many of them at

00:26:56.140 least are under 25. It's not the way this, this, the, the minimum wage is, is, is talked about. This

00:27:02.760 issue is discussed. They make it sound like there are millions of, of, of families, you know, mothers

00:27:08.840 and fathers who've got kids to feed families of five that are trying to subsist on the minimum wage,

00:27:14.280 which is why we're told it has to be a living wage. We have to give them a living wage. That's not the

00:27:17.760 case. In, in, in many, many cases, this again is a small minority of hourly workers. And in many,

00:27:24.860 many cases, these are people, you know, these, these could be kids, college students don't even pay

00:27:29.820 their own bills. They have no dependents. Um, they're not even independent themselves.

00:27:35.680 They don't need a living wage. The companies can't afford them to pay a living wage.

00:27:40.500 The labor they're providing is not really worth $15 an hour.

00:27:48.480 But now you're going to say, Oh yeah, you got to pay $15 an hour to the sick, to the 17 year old

00:27:52.540 kid who lives at home and is working part-time at McDonald's. We got to pay him $15 an hour.

00:27:57.100 And the price is we're going to wipe out thousands of jobs. Great idea. All right. Uh, number five,

00:28:01.880 the Chicago's teachers union, which is refusing to go back to work has been, um, using its free time,

00:28:08.120 free time, free time, but paid time. Taxpayers are paying for it to do other things. And in this

00:28:14.920 case, interpretive dance routines. So they tweeted this out. They said, six of our rank and file

00:28:20.020 dance teachers come together to use their art form as a voice to express their desire to feel safe

00:28:25.620 amidst, uh, CPS's teacher return policy. They stand in solidarity with all educators at risk

00:28:31.520 because no one should have to choose between life and livelihood. I think we have that video.

00:28:35.640 So let's, let's play a little bit of this interpretive dance routine.

00:28:48.860 So these are, these are dance teachers. Now, you know what this is?

00:28:52.720 This is like some sort of hideous super organism where you've got a combination

00:28:56.040 of the dance. What we have now is a combination of the dancing nurses on TikTok

00:29:01.540 and the whiny teachers. And they've come together to form this super organism.

00:29:08.320 And now we have whiny dancing teachers. 1.00

00:29:13.060 And I also have to say, these are, these are, this tells you something about the public school

00:29:16.160 system, I guess. Um, these are dance. First of all, why do we have dance teachers in the public

00:29:21.620 school system to begin with? And second question, if we do have dance teachers, who's that? What the

00:29:28.560 person in the middle? What are they doing? It's not a dance at all. I can do that. If we do have

00:29:34.040 dance teachers in the public school system, why is it that they can't dance?

00:29:39.980 Seems to me interpretive dance is, is, uh, kind of like slam poetry in that, you know, slam poetry

00:29:46.480 isn't poetry at all. Interpretive dance is not dance at all. Interpretive dance is just a mildly

00:29:52.340 artistic seizure from what I can tell people flailing their arms around anyway. So the teachers

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00:32:29.140 So today we have another reverse cancellation. The cancelers will become the canceled. And as we get

00:32:35.040 into the story, if there's any sincere person left in America who still thinks

00:32:39.660 that cancel culture is a myth doesn't exist, they may want to pay attention and seriously consider

00:32:45.660 the case of Cara Dumoplin. She's a popular baby sleep training expert who, you know, I hadn't heard

00:32:52.400 of before this, but, uh, uh, apparently very popular. And she has been ruthlessly attacked,

00:32:58.580 boycotted, doxxed, and smeared over the past week after someone, we'll have more on that someone in a

00:33:04.380 moment, went through FEC records and discovered that she donated to Donald Trump. They went through

00:33:09.860 the records and found this out. Now, many media outlets have reported on the story, eager to

00:33:14.880 amplify the news of a non-political person's private campaign contributions. And most of the coverage

00:33:21.140 has been along the lines of this headline from the cut, which is a New York magazine publication.

00:33:25.960 They say, quote, a boycott is brewing against formerly beloved childcare consultant, Cara Dumoplin,

00:33:30.940 who has reportedly been funneling some of the profits from her pricey classes into the Trump 0.99

00:33:35.860 campaign's coffers. Now, this is disgraceful, of course, and also not true. Not only are they

00:33:43.080 straining to make donations sound sinister by using a phrase like funneling the profits,

00:33:48.960 but they assume that the money that was being given to the Trump campaign came from her childcare

00:33:54.960 consultant business. But we have no way of knowing that. We don't know where the money came from.

00:33:58.820 She has a husband, apparently, who works. He's a doctor. It's going to come from him.

00:34:04.340 And it doesn't matter anyway. Cara Dumoplin offers advice on how to care for infants. Very good

00:34:11.080 advice, I have been told. She never chose to publicize her personal views. The small amount

00:34:17.360 of money she donated to a political campaign, about $1,000 over the course of three years, which is what

00:34:22.920 she said in a statement to the Today Show, that's of no one's concern but her own. This is not a case

00:34:29.280 of a public person choosing to air their political views and then experiencing the divided response that

00:34:35.200 any sane person must expect at this point. This is rather a woman in a completely apolitical line of 1.00

00:34:41.080 work whose financial records, along with her address, have been dug up and published in order to

00:34:46.840 personally destroy her in an act of collective ideological vengeance. It's cancel culture.

00:34:53.700 That's what cancel culture is. Hit pieces in the media claim that moms across America have somehow 1.00

00:34:58.820 been betrayed. They feel betrayed because a woman who gave them advice on how to help their infants sleep

00:35:04.460 happens to hold political views that don't align with their own. Sophia Tesfay in Salon, 1.00

00:35:10.040 she wrote an article openly admitting that this is another case of cancel culture, but she says that

00:35:15.100 it's good. It's a good thing because it holds Dumoplin accountable for the sin of possessing a

00:35:20.560 mind and forming opinions of her own. By the way, if you're wondering, if you're not familiar with this

00:35:25.340 woman and you're wondering what sort of content this right-wing extremist was putting out there, 0.91

00:35:30.900 here, just as a quick example, to give you a frame of reference, this dangerous person who has to be

00:35:37.100 held accountable, this right-wing extremist, here she is, and this is sort of typical content that she

00:35:41.160 would put out, here she is explaining how to properly burp a newborn. This is the woman 1.00

00:35:44.800 that is right now the target of public rage. Let's listen.

00:35:49.660 Lots of times I see parents when they try to burp, they put her right here like this and they do this

00:35:55.340 and they're trying to burp, but she's just not burping. So here's what I want to show you.

00:35:59.960 Take her and put her little chest up and over your shoulder like this and then cup your hand, 1.00

00:36:06.040 make a C like this. You want to hear it. Hear that? That doesn't hurt her, but hear how you can hear

00:36:12.480 that noise. That's what's going to get your burp out. Sometimes parents do this and it just doesn't

00:36:17.540 get a burp out. You want to cup it so it doesn't hurt her back and just go like this. So that's

00:36:22.180 one method is up over the shoulder. Again, get her chest up and over your shoulder like that. 1.00

00:36:27.540 Wow. What an extremist.

00:36:33.580 Good advice on the burping though, by the way. My favorite method is you sit the baby up. I think

00:36:38.100 she gets into this. You sit the baby up and hold them sort of by the chin and then pat them on the

00:36:41.300 back. I think he gets the burp out a little bit better. But anyway, that's what, that's the kind

00:36:45.700 of, that's it. That's what she does. She just tells you how to care for babies. I am not aware of

00:36:51.240 any video that she's ever put out advocating for a candidate or anything like that. Now the guy who

00:36:58.280 seems to have gotten the cancel ball rolling in this case, his name is Jamie Grayson and he's a

00:37:03.020 fellow parenting influencer on Instagram. And he quite clearly saw this as an opportunity to kneecap his

00:37:08.880 Instagram competition. He's the one who first published, or he's one of the original ones who

00:37:12.680 first published Dumoplin's FEC records, which include her address again, along with a lengthy screed 0.51

00:37:17.980 promising that he's a quote, very liberal homosexual male. He doesn't hold any of her heretical

00:37:23.060 views. Not me. I'm not, I'm not like her. And other vultures from the mommy and daddy blogger

00:37:29.760 sphere swooped in to get a piece of the carcass. And that's, that's how this all started. This is

00:37:34.860 one of the primary hallmarks of cancel culture. And it's how you differentiate it from your average

00:37:40.040 boycott or a genuine case of holding somebody accountable. The people who are looking to obscure this

00:37:45.600 issue, that's what they'll always try to equate these things with. And they'll say, well, you know,

00:37:50.680 it's just a regular boycott. It's holding someone accountable. Now this is how you tell the difference

00:37:55.080 because in cancel culture, it's always vindictive and contemptuous. And often the bus is being driven

00:38:02.600 by someone who stands to personally gain from the destruction of the person who's being thrown under

00:38:07.300 it. Now that's not to say that the average member of the outrage mob, you know, the moms claiming to 1.00

00:38:13.560 be betrayed and vowing never to use this childcare program again, have self-serving motivations. I

00:38:19.120 don't think they do. They're more like maniacs driven to the edge of insanity by hatred for their 0.93

00:38:23.900 fellow Americans and by their fear of people who think differently from themselves. Just consider 0.84

00:38:28.960 for a moment what they're actually doing here. I'm talking about the average person. And I was going

00:38:34.180 through some of the comments and it was a dark and twisted journey reading some of the comments of

00:38:38.540 former fans of this woman who now say, oh, I'm done. I can't, I'm not going to use the program

00:38:42.960 anymore. Um, assuming they follow through on their boycott threats, think about what they're doing

00:38:48.360 because Duma Flynn by all accounts is a miracle worker in the field of baby sleep training. That's 0.98

00:38:55.380 her expertise. Um, over the last day, I've spoken to a number of people who swear by her methods,

00:39:00.860 say it's a lifesaver. And then anyone who's had an infant who struggles to sleep knows that it can just

00:39:07.220 about wreck your life, at least for as long as the nighttime struggle sessions continue. We have been

00:39:12.100 through this with a few of our kids. It is, it is very, very difficult because it turns out that

00:39:16.680 sleep is a rather crucial human need. When you're being deprived of it, you become desperate pretty

00:39:22.080 quickly. There's a reason that sleep deprivation is considered a form of torture, according to the

00:39:26.320 Geneva convention, whether infants are therefore guilty of human rights abuses is a legal question

00:39:30.900 for another time. But, uh, what all this means is that these betrayed mothers will choose now to 0.96

00:39:38.520 suffer with a sleepless baby rather than use the methods and the advice of a woman who donated to

00:39:44.900 Donald Trump. They're choosing ideology over their own health and sanity, and they don't have much of

00:39:51.540 the latter to spare to begin with. It makes you wonder whether these people would intentionally die

00:39:56.700 of thirst if a Trump supporter recommended they drink water. As this episode shows, cancel culture itself

00:40:03.340 is not the underlying problem. It's real, but it's not the problem. It's not the problem. It is a

00:40:11.000 symptom. The disease is a worldview that cannot tolerate any form of dissent from anyone. It sees

00:40:19.360 all things in a political light. It sees all people as political entities. It sees anyone outside of its

00:40:25.500 tribe as an enemy worthy of condemnation and worse. It clamors for diversity, but seeks a world of 0.89

00:40:32.800 sameness. It demands tolerance, but never returns the favor. Cancel culture emerges inevitably from

00:40:40.440 this hateful ideology, otherwise known as leftism. And as we have seen, no one, not even this woman, 0.89

00:40:48.680 is exempt from its wrath. And that's why the cancelers are canceled. And by the way, quick pitch for her, 0.98

00:40:58.460 unpaid, uh, if you're looking for advice on how to get a baby to sleep, maybe this is a woman you 1.00

00:41:02.620 should support. And we'll leave it there for today. Thanks for watching, everybody. Thanks for listening.

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Ep. 646 - Ten Years In Federal Prison For A Meme

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