The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 67 - The Inconvenient Truth About The Catholic Church Sex Scandal

00:00:00.000 Before we get going here into the topic at hand, I got to tell you, I just stopped at the store a few minutes ago, and I was walking out to my car, and I see this all the time.

00:00:13.400 And anyone who's been following me for a while, you know that I've complained about this.

00:00:16.840 It's not a complaint.

00:00:17.760 It's more of a campaign of awareness.

00:00:21.040 I have been in the midst of an awareness campaign for years now about this problem, but it was one of the worst I've seen.

00:00:27.760 I think because it's rainy here, and people are just so they get even lazier, and they just want to get back to their cars.

00:00:32.980 But I'm walking back to my car.

00:00:34.100 There are just shopping carts strewn everywhere in the parking lot, all over.

00:00:40.680 There was even one that was turned upside down.

00:00:42.440 Somebody had turned it upside down, you know, so that it wouldn't roll into somebody's car, which, thank you for that.

00:00:48.320 But there's also, there are these cart corrals positioned, okay, you know, the places where you can return your cart.

00:00:54.520 Like, there's, like, seven of them positioned all throughout this parking lot so that no matter where you're parked, you could not possibly be more than, like, 20 or 30 feet from one of them.

00:01:05.580 Yet even the 20 or 30 feet is too far for people to walk, so they just, they say, I'll just leave my cart here.

00:01:12.840 I'll even turn it upside down, maybe.

00:01:14.720 But most people just leave it, like, I'll just leave it here because it's rainy and windy, and I don't want to have to walk 20 or 30 feet.

00:01:21.720 Well, guess what?

00:01:22.340 It's rainy and windy.

00:01:23.440 That means that the wind is going to come and blow your cart, which has wheels, and it's going to blow it probably into somebody else's parked vehicle and cause damage to their vehicle because you were too lazy to walk 20 or 30 feet.

00:01:36.900 Or, now, you might say, well, what if I'm in a parking lot where they don't have cart corrals, and then I have to walk all the way back to the store and return it to the store?

00:01:44.260 Oh, my goodness, what a tragedy that would be.

00:01:47.620 You might have to walk 40 feet then, 40 whole feet.

00:01:51.920 How could you possibly manage to do that?

00:01:54.720 Well, I'll tell you how you manage to do it.

00:01:56.200 I mean, whatever process you followed in order to get the cart to begin with, just do that again.

00:02:05.200 Repeat that process, and whatever you did, however you managed, whatever magic trick you had to pull in order to initially come in contact with that cart, do that again in reverse, and that's how you can put the cart away.

00:02:25.120 It's really not that difficult.

00:02:27.520 There is no greater evidence of the disintegration of human society than shopping carts that people just leave all over a parking lot.

00:02:38.100 Anyway, I wrote a piece on Friday, published Friday night, and I was making a point about the scandals in the Catholic Church.

00:02:52.400 And as I want to try to elaborate on this argument, if you didn't read the piece, or even if you did, the point that I was trying to make is that the sex abuse scandal in the church is not a pedophilia scandal.

00:03:05.160 Okay, the problem isn't pedophilia.

00:03:07.480 Unlike what we're told and what you hear in the media about all the so-called pedophile priests and so on, the problem is not pedophilia. 0.99

00:03:14.780 The problem is gay priests in the church. 1.00

00:03:18.780 And the statistics bear this out. 0.99

00:03:20.900 This is not me.

00:03:21.700 This is not a theory that I'm positing.

00:03:24.300 This is just a fact.

00:03:26.340 It's really indisputable.

00:03:27.560 This is what statistics show.

00:03:30.120 And most prominently, there was something called the John Jay Report that was, I think, the most extensive report published on the sex scandal in the church.

00:03:40.860 And it shows that the vast majority of victims, the vast majority of victims were male, and the vast majority were not prepubescent children.

00:03:50.640 And pedophilia, by definition, is the sexual assault of a prepubescent child.

00:03:55.840 So, by definition, most of this was not pedophilia.

00:04:01.300 And then, on top of that, of course, every single perpetrator was male, obviously.

00:04:05.380 So, what does that tell us? 0.95

00:04:07.960 That tells us that what happened in the church, and may still be happening to some extent, is an epidemic of gay men assaulting mostly teenage boys. 0.86

00:04:19.620 Now, it is true that that very same study that I mentioned, the John Jay Report, you know, you can, there are people who are looking to absolve the gay priests. 0.90

00:04:30.960 And so, they will point to that very same study, because that study did also try to claim that homosexuality had nothing to do with the assaults.

00:04:39.960 Although it said, statistically, that in the majority of cases, these were men assaulting teenage boys, or post-pubescent boys, they said in the report, well, but it had nothing to do with homosexuality, had nothing to do with orientation.

00:04:56.760 But this is an assumption, I think a ridiculous assumption, that is not borne out by the statistics.

00:05:05.020 What the researchers tried to say is that, well, yes, this was all male-on-male stuff, but it wasn't because of orientation.

00:05:15.660 But how could that possibly be the case?

00:05:20.480 You mean, a man who molests a 14-year-old boy doesn't have a homosexual orientation?

00:05:28.180 Then what does he have?

00:05:30.080 If that's not a homosexual orientation, then what is it?

00:05:33.820 And, of course, this problem encompasses more than just the assault of minors. 0.91

00:05:38.200 Homosexuality is rampant in the priesthood. 1.00

00:05:40.060 And there was an article in Slate a few years ago, and I cite this because it's far from a conservative publication.

00:05:48.520 But an article in Slate adapted from a book called The Sex Effect, which details how homosexuality became so common in the priesthood.

00:05:57.720 And now they say it's between 15% and 50% of priests are gay.

00:06:03.880 Now, that's a really wide margin, between 15% and 50%.

00:06:08.140 And I think that 50% is probably overstating it considerably.

00:06:13.400 But the point is that homosexuals are significantly overrepresented in the priesthood in comparison to society at large.

00:06:25.420 And this is a process that really kicked into high gear, as it were, in the 60s and 70s.

00:06:31.460 So the priesthood started to become a haven for gay men in the 60s.

00:06:38.160 And then also in the 60s, the molestation of altar boys started to become a huge problem.

00:06:44.460 So in the 60s, you've got a bunch of homosexuals who start to join the priesthood, 1.00

00:06:49.600 and the priesthood becomes a haven for homosexuality. 0.93

00:06:57.760 And then around that same time, you've got a bunch of teenage boys who are being molested and assaulted by priests.

00:07:08.500 Is it possible to see a connection between those two things?

00:07:15.180 Could we possibly connect them? Maybe.

00:07:19.200 Is it just a coincidence that gay priests exist in such large numbers, protected by gay cabals in the church, 0.99

00:07:27.400 and at the same time, there happen to be a bunch of priests molesting pubescent boys? 0.98

00:07:32.820 Can we really claim that those two realities are completely distinct and separate,

00:07:36.560 and that there is no bridge connecting them whatsoever?

00:07:39.580 Let's consider, let's take into consideration the case of Cardinal McCarrick.

00:07:45.360 He's one of the most prominent cardinals in the United States, in the world, really.

00:07:50.940 And he's been, I think he's in his 70s, maybe older now, so he's been around for a long time.

00:07:58.240 He's been accused of preying upon young boys, including an 11-year-old boy.

00:08:04.280 So he has been accused of molesting boys.

00:08:07.180 So this is another example of minors being assaulted.

00:08:10.660 But when those accusations started coming out, and then all this other information about Cardinal McCarrick came out,

00:08:16.740 most of the stories that have come out about him revolve around his sexual exploits with seminarians.

00:08:24.300 And seminarians are grown men in their 20s.

00:08:26.740 So it's probably true that he did, he was grooming and molesting boys,

00:08:33.040 but we know that he was also involved in a lot of sexual activity with grown men.

00:08:42.000 Yet, we're told that his homosexuality is irrelevant.

00:08:46.120 Or even, according to the media and according to apologists,

00:08:50.680 they'll even say, well, he's not a homosexual because he's interested in children. 0.59

00:08:54.560 Well, but if he's not a homosexual, then why is he involved with all these grown men as well? 0.67

00:09:00.720 In fact, all of these priests who have assaulted boys,

00:09:05.540 you're telling me you really think that they haven't also been involved with men as well?

00:09:09.900 I mean, how could that be?

00:09:12.200 If Cardinal McCarrick were not a homosexual, 1.00

00:09:15.720 then isn't it true that he would not have molested boys? 0.97

00:09:19.220 How could we possibly dispute this? 0.98

00:09:20.820 And that's not to claim that all homosexuals molest boys, 0.99

00:09:24.800 but that is to claim that among men, only homosexuals molest boys. 0.98

00:09:30.640 A non-homosexual, by definition, would not be attracted to males. 1.00

00:09:35.220 So even if a non-homosexual is a scumbag sex predator, 1.00

00:09:40.180 there are plenty in that category, heterosexuals who are also scumbag sex predators, 1.00

00:09:44.100 but they're not going to go after boys because they're not attracted to males, 1.00

00:09:47.560 because they're not homosexuals.

00:09:48.800 A lot of people, for some reason, have been angry at me for saying this.

00:09:52.700 And they've claimed that, well, a man who assaults a minor can't be gay 0.74

00:09:57.060 because sexual assault is about power. 0.97

00:09:59.780 It's not about sex.

00:10:01.500 So these are men who want power and nothing more.

00:10:04.260 But this, of course, is absurd.

00:10:05.660 And you hear this a lot about sexual assault.

00:10:08.280 Well, sexual assault is all about power. 0.95

00:10:09.920 It's not about sex.

00:10:10.780 It's not about orientation.

00:10:12.180 Well, of course, it's about all of those things.

00:10:14.000 What do you mean it's just about power? 0.98

00:10:15.500 That's ridiculous. 0.91

00:10:16.180 There are plenty of people out there who enjoy having power and lording it over others 0.99

00:10:23.680 and manipulating and coercing.

00:10:25.540 There are a lot of bad people like that.

00:10:27.540 But there are many ways to achieve power and domination over another person

00:10:33.020 without getting sex involved into it.

00:10:35.100 So if you do achieve that power through sex,

00:10:38.820 then that tells me that there's something about the sex itself,

00:10:41.580 which obviously you enjoy.

00:10:42.980 So it is also about the sex.

00:10:46.220 Eighty percent of the victims in the church have been males.

00:10:49.720 Eighty percent.

00:10:51.060 So is it difficult to see how thousands of boys would have been spared this experience 0.91

00:10:57.600 if there had not been so many homosexuals in the priesthood? 0.75

00:11:02.220 Is that difficult to understand?

00:11:04.500 Why do we have so much difficulty with this? 0.99

00:11:06.620 Am I saying that by getting rid of the homosexuals in the priesthood, 1.00

00:11:11.920 we could all but solve the problem of sexual assault in the church? 0.99

00:11:16.680 Yes.

00:11:17.620 That is exactly what I'm saying.

00:11:19.740 And 80 percent, 80 percent of the victims are males.

00:11:23.680 100 percent of the perpetrators are males. 0.99

00:11:25.680 So if there were no homosexual priests, 0.87

00:11:28.700 then those victims who were males would not have been victimized. 0.96

00:11:33.100 Obviously.

00:11:34.500 Or are we going to pretend that even a heterosexual may decide to molest a 15-year-old boy?

00:11:40.520 Is that what we're going to pretend now? 0.98

00:11:42.060 For the sake of absolving the gay priests and absolving homosexuals of everything, 1.00

00:11:46.600 are we going to actually pretend that? 0.95

00:11:49.720 And if so, then honestly, I have no idea what the words heterosexual and homosexual even mean anymore.

00:11:56.860 And I guess that's part of the point, is that we're not supposed to know what any words mean

00:12:00.700 because they mean, you know, whatever essentially the left needs them to mean in the moment.

00:12:06.720 By the way, you can accuse me of homophobia all you want,

00:12:10.780 but it's not as though I am one who ignores cases of heterosexual abuse.

00:12:16.900 No, in fact, I think I'm one of the only people in America who is not ignoring the epidemic

00:12:22.640 of mostly heterosexual abuse in the school system.

00:12:26.200 I talk about that all the time.

00:12:27.700 Hardly anyone else talks about it.

00:12:29.600 There's basically no public interest in this epidemic,

00:12:33.980 and I have not been able to drum up hardly any public interest.

00:12:37.680 I mean, I wrote an article all about the sexual assault epidemic,

00:12:41.520 and I had all the statistics, and they are startling, shocking, horrifying statistics

00:12:46.940 of just how prevalent sexual assault is in the school system.

00:12:51.400 And I wrote about this, you know, a couple months ago,

00:12:54.160 and I think the article got like 10,000 views.

00:12:56.860 I mean, nobody cared.

00:12:58.380 Nobody, nobody, just nobody's interested.

00:13:00.480 They just don't care.

00:13:01.260 They don't want to hear about it.

00:13:02.080 But not for lack of trying on my part,

00:13:05.700 sex abuse in the schools is many times more common than it is in the Catholic Church,

00:13:10.300 and this mostly consists of men assaulting girl students

00:13:15.180 and women assaulting boy students. 0.84

00:13:17.340 And this is a big problem, too.

00:13:18.780 And what do I say about that?

00:13:20.200 I say, and I have said many times,

00:13:22.140 that, look, it's probably not a good idea

00:13:24.440 to have women in their 20s teaching teenage boys,

00:13:28.420 just like it's probably not a good idea to have men in their 20s teaching teenage girls.

00:13:33.500 And it may be true that we don't have much of a choice in the public school system,

00:13:37.320 and that probably is accurate,

00:13:39.620 but there are serious problems inherent in this arrangement,

00:13:43.560 and we are seeing those problems bear themselves out.

00:13:47.140 So ideally, you know, the ideal environment for education would be

00:13:51.220 to segregate boys and girls and have them in completely different schools,

00:13:55.920 and especially when you get into the older grades with the older boys and the older girls,

00:14:00.940 in those grades, you would have men teaching the boys in almost every case,

00:14:06.180 and for the girls, you would have women teaching the girls. 0.71

00:14:09.060 That would be, now, I know that that is not, for public schools,

00:14:12.960 that is not feasible, it's never going to happen,

00:14:14.440 but I'm saying that that is the ideal scenario.

00:14:16.500 And when you start mixing,

00:14:18.420 when you take heterosexual women in their 20s,

00:14:22.340 and you have them teaching 16-year-old boys,

00:14:26.580 it is not, I'm not theorizing that maybe that could lead to problems.

00:14:30.780 I am observing that it has led to an enormous amount of problems.

00:14:37.960 Same when the genders are reversed. 0.54

00:14:41.300 In a similar way, and look, this is not, 0.99

00:14:44.820 there's this really stupid thing people do where they look at a reality, 0.94

00:14:48.900 like the reality I'm talking about now, and they'll say, 0.99

00:14:52.040 yeah, but, you know, it shouldn't be that way.

00:14:54.300 I mean, it shouldn't be that way.

00:14:56.020 We should be able to have 25-year-old women teaching 16- and 17-year-old boys, 1.00

00:15:01.040 and we should be able to do that without any sexual activity happening.

00:15:05.180 We should be able to.

00:15:07.340 Yeah, we should be able to, but we are not able to, okay?

00:15:10.740 That should be the case, but it is not the case.

00:15:14.480 It's just not.

00:15:15.420 Again, I'm not making this up.

00:15:18.200 This is just, this is what's happening.

00:15:20.480 So we can either acknowledge the reality and adjust accordingly,

00:15:25.520 or we can just plunge ahead, you know, making no changes whatsoever,

00:15:30.780 and then nothing gets better. 0.93

00:15:32.700 In a similar way, it is not a good idea to have homosexual men 1.00

00:15:38.780 living together in seminaries and rectories

00:15:42.660 and working closely with teenage boys.

00:15:46.120 It is not a good idea.

00:15:48.940 This, again, is not a homophobic theory on my part.

00:15:52.620 This is just a fact.

00:15:54.000 And so if it's homophobic at all, it is a homophobic fact.

00:15:57.880 It is not a good idea.

00:15:59.720 It will lead to problems, and we have seen those problems in the Catholic Church 1.00

00:16:04.160 bear themselves out for 50 years.

00:16:07.400 We have seen the problem manifest itself thousands and thousands and thousands of times

00:16:14.380 for 50 years. 0.98

00:16:16.240 This is what happens when you take homosexual men, 1.00

00:16:19.980 especially when they're supposed to be, 0.96

00:16:21.720 it's supposed to be a religious environment of celibacy and chastity,

00:16:25.360 and you put them all together in a, you know, in, in, in houses together,

00:16:29.080 and then you have working with teenage boys.

00:16:30.520 This is what happens.

00:16:31.440 It is simply moral cowardice to hide from this.

00:16:36.880 It is moral cowardice.

00:16:38.400 And when I've been talking about this over the last few days,

00:16:40.760 I have been scolded many times by, by supposed Christians. 1.00

00:16:46.920 And even, you know, I've gotten a few messages from priests.

00:16:50.280 I've also gotten messages in support of what I'm saying from priests and from lay people,

00:16:54.440 but I've got plenty of messages on the other end of that spectrum saying,

00:16:58.960 how dare you, how dare you say this? 1.00

00:17:02.680 How dare you, how dare you slander all of these gay priests? 1.00

00:17:07.220 How dare you implicate homosexuality in this scandal? 1.00

00:17:11.160 How, how dare you? 0.93

00:17:12.360 I am so upset at you.

00:17:14.380 It may make you feel better to wag your finger and, you know,

00:17:17.220 take the side, take sides with the world and say, 0.92

00:17:20.600 oh no, we must never say anything critical of homosexuals at all, ever.

00:17:25.440 I know that makes you feel better. 0.99

00:17:26.440 And I, I, and I know that it does, but you're being a coward. 1.00

00:17:29.900 You're just being a ridiculous coward. 1.00

00:17:32.660 And you know it because you know that what I'm saying is true. 1.00

00:17:38.400 It's, there is, there is no argument against it.

00:17:42.340 It's just the reality.

00:17:44.400 And there are so many, I mean, the church,

00:17:47.560 and when I say the church, I mean the Christian church,

00:17:50.140 I mean Christendom, Christianity itself in the West, everybody. 0.99

00:17:53.780 It is, it is, it is infested with moral cowards 0.98

00:17:58.620 who simply will not stand up and say even the most self-evident truths 0.87

00:18:04.780 if those truths are politically incorrect.

00:18:09.420 One other point about this,

00:18:11.520 and I think it's important for us to realize this,

00:18:13.420 because I've heard from some Protestants who say,

00:18:17.020 who say, oh, you know,

00:18:18.920 I'm so glad this doesn't happen in our church.

00:18:20.700 I mean, this is a Catholic problem. 0.97

00:18:22.740 You know, this is what happens with Catholics. 1.00

00:18:25.600 I'm so glad this isn't a problem in our church.

00:18:28.540 Well, this is a problem in Protestant churches too.

00:18:30.480 This is a problem.

00:18:31.180 This is why I say this is a problem in, in, in Christianity, 1.00

00:18:34.860 among Christians in the West, especially.

00:18:37.980 Let me read briefly from a New York Times article.

00:18:39.900 The three companies that ensure a majority of Protestant churches 0.91

00:18:43.580 say they typically receive upward of 260 reports a year

00:18:48.460 of children younger than 18 being sexually abused

00:18:51.500 by members of the clergy, church staff members,

00:18:53.980 volunteers, or congregants in Protestant churches.

00:18:57.880 260 a year,

00:18:59.860 which actually averages out to more

00:19:03.340 than have been victimized in the,

00:19:05.820 in the Catholic church.

00:19:07.180 So this is a big problem in Protestant churches too.

00:19:10.960 It's not, it's not taught.

00:19:11.720 Nobody talks about it.

00:19:12.760 Just like with the public schools, nobody talks about it.

00:19:14.840 No one discusses it.

00:19:16.100 Nobody seems to care because we have focused all of our energy

00:19:18.960 on the Catholic church.

00:19:20.360 But the reality is this is a societal problem

00:19:23.880 that has bled into all of the churches.

00:19:28.240 And so this goes back to Jesus saying, you know,

00:19:30.580 don't look at the speck in your brother's eye.

00:19:32.460 You got a log in your own.

00:19:33.420 Well, it just so happens that among Christian churches,

00:19:36.900 they all have logs in their eyes.

00:19:39.120 And so we all got to look at the logs with,

00:19:41.380 each church has to look at the logs within its own eyes.

00:19:45.460 You know, this is a problem in society.

00:19:47.840 We see all, you know, so we see it in the,

00:19:49.540 in the religious institutions.

00:19:50.660 Obviously we've seen it in media and Hollywood.

00:19:52.840 We see it in the public school system.

00:19:55.340 It's a societal problem.

00:19:56.960 And although the Christian church should stand above these problems

00:20:04.580 and should be a shining light, an example to all,

00:20:09.480 that is not what is happening.

00:20:12.240 Because also over the last 50, 60, 70 years,

00:20:16.240 Christianity in the West has kind of allowed itself

00:20:20.520 to sink down into the muck and the mud with secular culture 1.00

00:20:24.540 and has become in so many ways,

00:20:27.480 an extension of secular culture.

00:20:30.500 Not something that transcends it or stands above it

00:20:33.060 or leads it or guides it.

00:20:35.280 And this is one terrible symptom of that problem.

00:20:39.480 So it's time for us to just look at the reality of,

00:20:42.260 of the situation, to face it and to act accordingly.

00:20:47.380 Thanks for watching, everybody.

00:20:48.540 Thanks for listening.

00:20:49.520 Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - July 23, 2018

Ep. 67 - The Inconvenient Truth About The Catholic Church Sex Scandal

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