Ep. 86 - It's Not Just The Catholic Church
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Summary
In this episode, I discuss why some Catholics shy away from speaking publicly about sex abuse in the Catholic Church, the double standards, and the anti-Catholic bigotry surrounding the scandals. I also discuss the need to expand the conversation beyond the Catholic church.
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I must admit that there is a tendency among some Catholics to shy away from discussing the abuse
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scandals. And I think this reluctance, well, it could have two causes. Number one, it's a horrible
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and painful thing, so it's easier not to talk about it. And that feeling doesn't justify ignoring
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the situation, but of course it is an understandable feeling. But number two, I think many Catholics
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know that the outrage against the church, though deserved, objectively speaking, is in many cases
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disingenuous. You know, they know that a lot of people simply hate the Catholic church and they
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hate Catholics and they're eager to jump on any opportunity to criticize it. And they also know
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that if they themselves as Catholics publicly criticize the church for the sex scandal, a lot
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of other people will join them in the criticism, but the criticism will quickly morph into an
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assault on the church in general and on Catholics in general. I've experienced that myself this week.
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I can't tell you how many times as I've been talking about the scandals, I've had people say,
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I agree. Catholics are Satanists. And I'm like, no, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I
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said at all. I know you don't agree. And so there's a lot of that. I think a lot of Catholics are like,
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I don't want to end up as part of that conversation. And there's also a double standard
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that many of the people who are so worried about sex abuse in the Catholic church are not worried
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about it anywhere else, even in their own institutions. So it seems like there are people
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who are super focused. They're so concerned about sex abuse in the Catholic church, even though they're
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not Catholic themselves, they don't send their kids to the Catholic church. They're so worried about
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that. But in the institutions where they send their kid to public school or they go to a different
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church, they're not focused on it there. They don't care about that. It's only in the Catholic
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church. And so I think a lot of Catholics, they see that and then they say, you know what, even though
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the abuse is horrible, I don't want to talk about it publicly for that reason. Now, I very much
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sympathize with that inclination, but I also feel that it's our obligation all the same to discuss
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the scandals and to publicly voice our outrage and disgust. And so that's what I've tried to do
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this week. No matter the double standards, no matter the hypocrisies, no matter the anti-Catholic
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bigotries, all that exists, but still the fact remains that these terrible things have happened,
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are still happening, most likely. And so they must be exposed and condemned by not just people from
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without, but by people from within. When you get to the point where it's only people from without
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criticizing, then you've got a big problem. I think in life, you just need to do the right thing
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personally and say the right things and not worry about how other people are going to react to it or
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how they might use it and twist it to their own benefit. You just do the right thing and let the chips
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fall where they may. I think that's the only way to approach life. Still, I do feel the need
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to, after I, you know, I've been focused on this issue a lot this week, been talking about it. I've
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obviously made my feelings perfectly clear. But I do feel the need to expand this conversation
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beyond the Catholic Church for a moment. Because although I expected this reaction, I have still
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been very disturbed by much of what I'm hearing and reading from non-Catholics. Much of the email I
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received, I've received from non-Catholics, especially non-Catholic Christians, I would say
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that easily the majority of the emails and messages from that latter group have been extraordinarily
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prideful and almost gloating in tone. I cannot tell you how many times I've read this week words to
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the effect of, I'm so happy that doesn't happen in my church. Now, most people aren't saying it exactly
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like that, although a few people have told me exactly that verbatim. But most people don't
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say it like that exactly. But that's the general message of, oh, that's a Catholic problem. I'm so
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glad. That's why I'm not Catholic. So I don't have that Catholic problem. I've been informed by many
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people that the Catholic Church's abuse problem is unique. And other churches, better churches,
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don't have these issues. I've been told that if somebody wants to escape the religious sex abuse
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problem, all they need to do is escape the Catholic Church. That's what I've been told. Oh,
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you don't say just leave the Catholic Church and that's the problem solved because that doesn't
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happen anywhere else. Flee into the arms of other churches where these things simply don't occur
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because we've got it figured out. It doesn't happen here with us. It only happens over there with those
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guys. Secular people have displayed a similar attitude. Of course, the media in Hollywood is always
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eager to spike the football anytime the Catholic Church lands in hot water. They're always eager
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to jump on that. They're very excited about it. And they will usually do so as insultingly and
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degradingly as possible. Trevor Noah, for instance, said yesterday on The Daily Show that the Catholic
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Church is now nothing but a, quote, molesting club with opening prayer, which is obviously a slam not just on
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the bishops and priests responsible. It's a slam on all Catholics, saying that all Catholics are part of
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a molesting club. Now, I find this especially ironic coming from someone in the Hollywood media world
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where child rape and sex abuse are extremely and now infamously common. I might even call Noah's
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industry a molesting club with green screens. Can I say that? It's interesting to me that Trevor
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Noah has never described Hollywood and the media in those terms, has he? No, he saves that level of
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disgust for the institutions that he is not himself a part of. As for the other Christians who have
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been doing the Pharisee routine of, thank you, Lord, that I am not like them, I should tell you that
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your churches are not immune to this. Far from it. Sex abuse is a very serious problem in the
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evangelical world and across all Protestant churches. A report that was published a few years ago from
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three of the companies that insure most of the Protestant churches in the country revealed that
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they handle around 260 abuse claims every year in Protestant churches. Now, if that average holds
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year to year, that means the abuse problems in terms of sheer numbers is actually worse in Protestant
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churches than it is in the Catholic Church. That was actually the opinion of a Liberty University law
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professor, and I think it's the grandson of Billy Graham, who said recently that he thinks Protestant
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churches are worse than Catholics, at least when it comes to responding to abuse claims.
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So, at the very least, what I'll say is, and the last thing I want to do is get into a competition
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of, you're worse. No, you're worse at sex abuse. There simply is, what I'll say is, the point I'm
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trying to make, there simply is no evidence and no reason to think that the abuse situation is better
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in Protestant churches than in Catholic. There's no reason to think that. No evidence, none. I have
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heard from some people that this is less of a problem in Protestant churches because those churches
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don't have a global mechanism by which to cover up these crimes, and that's true. But that doesn't
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mean they don't have a mechanism. Even if the mechanism just consists of just one pastor who rules
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over the church by himself and is accountable to no one, and so is, in effect, a sort of little pope
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unto himself in his church, well, that's a mechanism. There are many cases of that. A pastor, he's
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accountable to no one in his church. He abuses someone. Well, okay. Then the mechanism to cover it
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up is pretty simple because he's the only guy in charge. Or maybe the mechanism is a church board or
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whatever. The point is, abusers will find a way to exploit the circumstances, no matter the
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circumstances. As an abuser, there are certain advantages that you can exploit in the Catholic
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church environment. There are certain advantages that you can exploit in the Protestant church
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environment. It changes either way. So we know it's a big problem in media and Hollywood. It's a big
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problem in the churches, Catholic and Protestant. It's a big problem in the sports world. Think of
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Penn State. Think of women's gymnastics. It's a problem in the medical profession. There was a
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recent report that was published that found thousands of cases of physician sex abuse across
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America. The worst child molester in history was a pediatrician in Delaware. He molested hundreds of
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children for years before he was caught. And then what about public schools? Our school systems are
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crawling with sex predators. There was a study commissioned by the Department of Education
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which found that one in ten public school students are targets of sexual misconduct by teachers. That
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works out to over four million victims. And out of that number, three million have experienced actual
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sexual assault. So that's another million. You've got four million. A million of that could be sexual
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harassment or some other form. And then three million, according to this report, is actual sexual
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assault by teachers against students. The epidemic in our schools statistically is 100 times worse than it is
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in the Catholic church, though it's probably gotten about 100 times less media attention. And that's just
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abuse by teachers against students. And then you have abuse by students against other students, which is a
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problem unto itself. Recently, the AP found 17,000 cases of student-on-student abuse in a four-year
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period. So you've got one in ten students who are victims of sexual misconduct by teachers, 17,000 cases of
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student-on-student abuse. Just to put this in perspective, the situation in Pennsylvania, which is a
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horrible situation, and I've been railing against it all week. But in that case, you have, I believe it's
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1,000 victims, something like 300 priests accused over five or six decades, which is still terrible and
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awful and in demonic and every word. And you run out of adjectives to describe it because it's so
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terrible. But even that does not represent the kind of volume. It doesn't come anywhere near the
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kind of volume that you have in the public schools. So why aren't we having a national conversation about
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that? Why aren't we having a national conversation about the crisis in our schools? Why isn't anyone
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talking about it? I mean, I've talked about it many times. Nobody cares. That's the incredible
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thing to me about this issue. People care so much more about the Catholic Church situation.
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Meanwhile, most people who care about it, they don't even go to Catholic. Their kids are not,
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you know, their kids are not threatened by priests. If you send your kid to public school,
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you should care about this. It is extremely common. One in 10 students, I think that qualifies as
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extremely common. I think it does. 17,000 cases. I think that qualifies as a huge problem.
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If you send your kid to public school, how could you not be focused on this? How could you be more
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focused on the Catholic Church when you're sending your kid into this environment for six hours a day,
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five days a week, nine months a year for 13 years? Do you understand the statistical probability that he
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will be at a minimum sexually harassed by a teacher? The probability is substantial. Let's put it that
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way. So why are we talking about that? And why isn't Trevor Noah describing the public school system
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as a, quote, molesting club with textbooks? So media, Hollywood, Catholic Church, Protestant Church,
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sports, medicine, public schools, I bring all this up not to minimize the problem in the Catholic
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Church, but to do the opposite. The point I'm trying to establish is that the problem is much
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bigger than the church. I wish it was just confined to the Catholic Church or to some other institution.
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I wish most of all, I could look at Hollywood and say, oh yeah, it just happens in Hollywood.
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You know, because my kids are never going to be in Hollywood. I'm never going to go to Hollywood.
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And it's easy for me to say, oh yeah, those debauched perverts in Hollywood. And there are a lot of
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debauched perverts in Hollywood. But I wish I could say, oh yeah, it's all happening there.
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But I can't. The problem is much bigger than that. And if you're sitting off and thinking, whoa, I'm
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so glad I don't have to worry about it because I'm not Catholic. Well, if you're thinking that you're a
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fool. If you send your kid to public school, if he plays sports, if he goes to the doctor,
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if he's in a youth group at church, you know how often you hear about youth pastors
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molesting their 14 and 15 year old kids that are in their charge? You know how common that is?
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So if you send your kid into any of those environments, there is a real possibility of
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abuse. This is a disease that infects the culture and every institution is vulnerable to it. Every
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institution, nobody is exempt. The problem not only exists everywhere, it is really bad everywhere.
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These other institutions that I've mentioned, it's not like there have been a few cases there. It's
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there have been a ton of cases in all of those institutions. Until we start to see the problem
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in these terms and still we until we stop acting like this is a danger confined to places where we don't
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go and we don't send our children, until we face the full reality, nothing will get better.
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That's the point I'm trying to make. That is, it doesn't, that provides no excuses whatsoever
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for any of these particular institutions or anyone in those institutions. Not at all. And the people
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who are, you know, if you're in a Protestant church, you need to be focused especially on what's
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going on in Protestant churches. If you're in the Catholic church, you're going to be focused
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especially on that. If you, if you are in Hollywood, then you got to be focused especially
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on that. People in these institutions have to be looking within themselves in their own ranks first
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and then look without because it's so easy to, it's so easy. I could sit here all day railing
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against Hollywood and, uh, and they deserve to be railed against. And it doesn't, and of course we
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should talk about it. I'm not saying we should never discuss it. You know, I'm not saying if you're,
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if you're not in Hollywood, you know, it means you should never talk about it, but it's, it's easy to do.
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It's so easy. You know, you risk nothing. It doesn't make you at all uncomfortable because
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it's all about them. It's the other it's over there. It's not me. And so, yeah, we got to do
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some of that because we all have to be holding each other accountable. But if we're only doing
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that, if we're only looking without and we're never looking within, then we are only contributing
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to the overall cultural problem. Because that's a big part of the reason why, um, these, these
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situations get so bad within these institutions, because the people in the institution do not want
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to look within themselves and they're always looking out there. Now you may ask, why is this
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problem so prevalent? Now that we've established that it's not so easy as saying, oh yeah, it's a
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Catholic problem or, oh, it's a Protestant problem or, oh, it's a Hollywood problem. Now that we've
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established that and we see how prevalent it is, it creates a whole new, um, you know, it creates a
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whole new mystery of a very disturbing one where we say, how, how, how, how is this so common in our
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culture? How, how is this going on everywhere? Well, we know that at root as Christians, we know, um,
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that this goes back to the fall of man. We are a fallen species. And so these sins have always existed
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ever since the fall of man, and they always will. Um, but we can ask ourselves, have they always been
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this common? Has it always been the case that every institution in American culture is riddled
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with abuse, molestation, rape, et cetera? Has that always been the case? I guess there's no way to
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know for sure. We can't, it's hard. You can't really look back into, into the past and quantify
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these sorts of problems. Um, especially by the nature of the problem means people doing it are not
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going to exactly be keeping records of what they did. So it's hard to know exactly, but it certainly
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seems like it's worse now. Uh, I would like to think that anyway, I'd hate to think that it's
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just always been this way forever, that it's always been this bad forever, because if that's the case,
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then you really think, well, it's, it'll never get better. There's an, it's like, there's no problem.
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There's no point in even, in even trying to make it better because apparently it can never be better.
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Um, but I don't think that's the case. I do think it appears to be worse now than in the past.
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And I think that it is. And I think that goes back to, um, a general moral breakdown in our
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culture and a kind of moral indifference, a breakdown of empathy, which has led to this
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moral indifference. And when, when you have, when you've got, um, a breakdown in the kind of moral
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code, and then you have perversion, debauchery, hedonism that becomes more prevalent. And at the same
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time, people are becoming desensitized and indifferent and less able to see and recognize
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the dignity in their fellow man. And often these things happen at the same time, but as they happen
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and as they get worse, I think, of course, you're going to see more of this. And when you read about
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these horrible cases in any of these institutions, we're talking specifically about the Catholic
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church, you read about some of these things that these priests were doing. You see, um, not only
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that are these depraved perverts, but also they just have no, they just simply do not recognize
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the humanity of anyone other than themselves. And so they can look at children and see nothing but
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objects to be used for their pleasure. Um, and I think we see that more and more in our culture
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where we, we look at each other, even, even people who aren't child molesters. I still think there is
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this tendency among a lot of people to see other people as just objects as not as human beings, but
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as objects to be used, to be exploited, to be tossed to the side, whatever. And all of that,
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I think leads us here. And if there is going to be any improvement that we all have to look
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immediately around ourselves within our own ranks and start there and then work out from there.
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Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.