Ep. 877 - My Dr. Phil Appearance Caused Trauma And Nightmares
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Today on the Matt Walsh Show, Matt talks about his recent appearance on Dr. Phil's show to argue about gender and pronouns with a bunch of non-binary consultants and a woke college professor. Plus, Joe Biden holds just his second press conference in a year, and the media gets caught up in yet another fake news scandal, and a major car company goes woke.
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, I appeared on Dr. Phil to argue about gender and pronouns with a
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couple of non-binary diversity consultants and a woke college professor. We'll talk about the
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experience today and watch a few of the clips together. Also, two of my opponents on the stage
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are now complaining that I have caused them to plunge into depression and they're having
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nightmares because of me. What did I do to cause such trauma? We'll try to figure that out. And
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Joe Biden held just his second press conference in a year. It was a total disaster, as you might
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expect. The media gets caught in yet another fake news scandal and a major car company goes woke,
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though, as always, it's not really clear what they hope to accomplish by that.
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We'll discuss all of that and more today on the Matt Wall Show.
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American meat delivered. For those who were able to watch it, my appearance on Dr. Phil aired yesterday
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afternoon. It was my first time appearing on television outside of Fox News and also my first
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time meeting with a psychologist. Some would say that I should make more of a regular habit of it
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talking to a psychologist. I mean, not appearing on TV. But unfortunately, not everybody was able to
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watch the discussion, I'm told. In some markets, it was sidelined by President Biden's press conference.
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I think we can all agree that of all the terrible things Biden has done during his disastrous tenure,
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preempting my Dr. Phil episode is by far the worst. Now, there's always a certain risk inherent in
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walking into an environment like this, especially with the cameras rolling. Of course, I knew that I
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would be outnumbered on stage in front of a hostile studio audience. And if I had been invited to speak
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about a more complicated or difficult issue, one that requires you to actually be smart, then that would
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have given me pause. But the topic of the episode was gender and pronouns, which means that it's not
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complicated or difficult at all. My position, the correct position, is extremely simple, sensible,
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obvious, and clear. The only mistake that somebody on my side of the issue can make, and very often
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people do make this mistake, in a debate of this kind, is to make the subject seem more complicated than
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it is. Getting lost in the rhetorical weeds and losing sight of the main point. That's where the
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other side lives. They're out there in the weeds where things are muddy and muddled. They like it out
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there. They want to obscure the main point, mystifying what is actually quite simple. As long as you refuse
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to be baited into that trap, and you stay on message, on the firm ground of truth and science and common
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sense, you can have this conversation anywhere, with anybody, on any platform, in front of any audience,
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and you will walk away the winner every time. And if you're a naturally argumentative bastard like
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myself, you'll even have fun doing it. Now that gives you an idea of my basic strategy. So now we'll
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watch some clips of a few of the most important exchanges during the episode, and we'll see how
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it played out. We'll begin with the opening salvo, which came several minutes into the episode,
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as the first segment featured just the two non-binary diversity consultants spewing inane garbage
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unopposed. And I was backstage for that portion, just pacing back and forth, listening
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in horror, muttering incredulously to myself. And when it was my turn, I began by clarifying that
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everybody that, you know, everything that was said in the previous segment was total nonsense.
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And then we dived into the pronoun question. Let's watch.
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There should be no construct of gender, just sex. You're either male or female.
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Right. And someone feeling in a mental, emotional way that they don't identify with the sex that they
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have been biologically created as and assigned at birth based on their genitalia. If they don't feel
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that way, that there's no construct that describes that, experiences that.
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Well, that's got nothing to do with the reality. So you can feel however you want. I mean, I could sit
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here and say that I feel like a tomato plant, but that doesn't mean that I'm actually in those
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things. So your self-perception, you can have whatever self-perception you want, but you can't
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expect me to take part in that self-perception or to take part in this kind of charade, this theatrical
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production. You don't get your own pronouns, just like you don't get your own prepositions or your own
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adjectives. You know, it's like if I were to tell you my adjectives are handsome and brilliant. And
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no matter, whenever you're talking about me, you have to describe me as handsome and brilliant because
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that's how I identify. It makes no sense. You don't get your own pronouns. These aren't, that's, that's,
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So you think it's a delusion. Someone is self-delusional.
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Yeah, I think it's, it's delusion. It could be a mental illness. It could be, it's, it's a lot of
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different. With children, you know, there's also just a basic confusion that all kids have.
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Like, that's why when you hear, when you, when you hear someone, a parent say, oh, my four-year-old
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son came, came to me and said that I'm a girl now. And so that's what I'm going to, I'm going to raise
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him as a girl. No, you're a four-year-old. I have four kids. When a four-year-old boy comes to you and
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says, oh, I'm a girl. Here's a good follow-up question. What is a girl? Ask him what he means by
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that. What do you mean by girl? And when you, when you ask him that, here's what he'll tell you.
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He will tell you what he really means is that he, he wants to do some of the things that girls do,
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like play with the dollhouse or, or, you know, he likes the color pink. That's fine. Play with
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the dollhouse, but you're still a boy. I hope you'll respect my preferred adjectives. Of course,
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the only problem with my adjective comparison is that unlike pronouns, adjectives are in fact
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subjective. But my point was that the adjectives I use to describe myself are products of my
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self-perception. I cannot demand that others perceive me the way that I perceive myself.
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My self-perception is not a joint project shared by me and the rest of human society. For adjectives,
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it's up to each individual to decide which ones they want to use to describe me. And in my case,
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a great many people use adjectives to describe me that I find quite disagreeable. I might feel
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insulted by some of those adjectives. I might lock myself in the bathroom and weep uncontrollably for
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hours because of them. I do that every day, but I cannot say that I'm being erased or delegitimized
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because other people refuse to see me the way that I see myself. And in fact, if their competing
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perception causes some sort of existential crisis for me, it only proves that I'm not so sure of
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my own self-perception and therefore I'm in no position to criticize anybody else's perception of
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me. As for pronouns, there is no subjectivity at all. It's not up to any individual, including myself,
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to decide which ones ought to be used. That question is settled by biological reality. The
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point of the pronoun is to describe that reality. Just as the point of a verb like running, unless
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it's used metaphorically, is to convey reality. If I say that somebody is running when they're
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really sitting, I've conveyed an untruth, whether because I'm confused or a liar or both. And if I call
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a man a she, I have also expressed an untruth, whether because I'm confused or a liar or both,
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or perhaps because I'm afraid of getting yelled at if I, if I tell the truth. So we should add
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coward alongside the options of confused and liar. In any case, the pronoun question led directly to
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the question, the ultimate, I mean, the question, the ultimate and fundamental question, as far as
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I'm concerned, which my opponents were not very eager to answer. That's a question I would like to
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throw out to other members of the panel, actually, because just like the four-year-old can't answer
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what is a girl. Well, this is one of the problems with this left-wing gender ideology is that no
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one who espouses it can even tell you what these words means. Like, what is a woman? Can you tell
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me what a woman is? No, I can't. Because it's not for me to say. Womanhood looks different for
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everybody. What do you define a woman as? An adult human female. And what does a female mean?
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Well, that's someone with female reproductive organs. Okay. Someone who's, you know, here's the
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thing. When you're, when you're a female, it goes right down to your bones, your DNA. So that's why
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if someone dies, we could dig up their bones a hundred years from now. We have no idea what they
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believed in their head, but we can tell what sex they were because it's in, it's down in, it's, it's
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ingrained in every fiber of their being. Interesting. So I'm trying to understand your definition is
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that a woman is someone who is female, you said, right? Correct. As a biological female. So what
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happens if we have maybe someone who is female, identifies as a woman, right? You know, cisgender
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woman, right? As you explained, as you just explained, maybe doesn't have the ability to
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reproduce. Maybe doesn't have those organs that you're talking about that are reproductive organs.
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I have answered the question. You stood up here and said, trans women are women. Yes. Tell me what
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you mean. What is a woman? Womanhood is something that, just as Ethan explained, I cannot define
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because I am not myself. But you used the word. So what did you mean when you said trans women
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are women if you don't know what it means? Right. So here's the thing. So I do not define
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what a woman is because I do not identify as a woman. Womanhood is something that is an umbrella
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term. It includes people who. That describes what? People who identify as a woman. Identify
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as what? As a woman. What is that? What's to each their own. Each woman, each man, each person
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is going to have a different relation with their own gender identity and define it differently.
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That doesn't, I'm not asking you that. And so trans women are women too. Okay. And you
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want to, hold on, hold on. You want to reduce, you won't even tell me what the word means
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though. So that's the problem. You want to reduce women, you want to reduce men down to maybe
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just their genetics, our genitals, our chromosomes, right? That's what you're saying. What you want
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to do is appropriate women. You want to appropriate womanhood and turn it into basically a costume
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that could be worn. Now the episode continued for another 45 minutes after that, but that was
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really the end of the conversation. I could have gotten up and walked off the stage right
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there, which would have been funny. Um, the other side was there to argue that trans women
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are women and that anyone can be a woman if that's how they feel about themselves. And
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yet they could not explain what they meant when they use that term. Trans women are women.
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What's a woman? Well, who knows? The statement trans women are women means nothing in that
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case. They don't know what they mean when they say it. They don't understand their own
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position. Game over. You notice the obscurantist tactic at work here because the bearded gentleman
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had declared in the previous segment, uh, to the, to raucous applause that trans women are women.
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And I asked him what he means. And he immediately hopped on the circular logic merry-go-round
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rambling a bunch of hazy gibberish about how only women can define the word women. That doesn't make
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any sense because for one thing, he's not an elephant, but I'm sure he can tell me what an elephant
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is. Also, even the statement that only women can define women requires you to know what a woman
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is. Otherwise, how can you know who has the right to define it and who doesn't? Well, the answer is
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that he knows who a woman is because they're the ones who say they're women. And we know that they
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are right in their claims of being women because they're saying it. And they say they're women
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because they are women. And they are women because they say they're women. Around and around we go,
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or they go anyway. They hope to pull you onto the merry-go-round with them, making you as dizzy and
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confused as they are, which is why it's important to have simple answers, simple definitions, simple
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responses, and you stick to them. Let them twirl around and tie themselves into knots. You're standing
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on solid ground. Stay there. One more clip worth playing after a very awkward commercial break where
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everybody sat in silence. Awkward for them anyway. You know, I thought the whole situation was pretty
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hilarious. We came back with a, with a supposed gender expert and college professor who provoked
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applause from the trained seals in the audience when she hit me with the old, why do you care so
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much routine? There's biological sex and then there is gender identity. Part of me wants to ask why you
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care so much, uh, because it's really not that big of a deal. I'd love to, I'd love to answer that
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question. I care about the truth. So, so basic truth matters. I want to live in a society where people care
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about the truth and we're grounded in truth. Um, I care about children and this, these insane ideas
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about gender are being, are being foist on kids. Um, and that, that bothers me quite a bit. I care
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about the women who are having their opportunities stolen from them. I care quite a bit. Yeah.
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Now, another point I didn't have the chance to make there is that, um, is that she wants me to
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care. She says, why do you care? Well, I could have said, because you want me to. The other two people
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on the stage, they want me to care also. Their whole job is to go around insisting that everybody
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care about this issue. These people march in literal parades with banners and floats screaming
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into bullhorns that we all should care. It's just that they want me to care in only a very specific
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way and to draw very specific conclusions. So when she says, why do you care so much? What she really
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means is why has your concern about this issue led you to conclusions that I disapprove of?
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And so I gave her the answer. And it's important to always emphasize that our first concern
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is not fairness. It's not sports. It's not privacy. It's not even safety. Those are all concerns and
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they're important, but our primary motivation is to defend truth for its own sake. If there was a
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serious campaign to convince everyone that squares are circles, I'd be arguing almost as passionately
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against it. I'd even go on Dr. Phil to talk about shapes. It's not because I woke up one morning
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feeling very passionate about geometry. I didn't choose the fight. They're the ones who decided to
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wage an assault on this basic truth. And so I can choose to either surrender the ground to them
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or defend it. I don't want to live in a world where people don't know the difference between
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squares and circles. I also don't want to live in a world where people don't know the difference
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All right. Thankfully, we are in studio today. I got a text from Sean last night, our producer,
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saying the offices might be closed again because there was going to be some ice this morning because
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it rained a little bit, and we would have some ice on the roads. And we closed down last week for that
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same reason because there was just some ice. Fortunately, it didn't end up happening. We are
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here. But I was just thinking, man, why is everyone so petrified of ice? Why would we even consider
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shutting down? Just drive slower, and everything will be fine. Then I remember, and I have these
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moments sometimes here, where I remember that I'm working with a bunch of Californians.
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And these LA people, they come across a frozen puddle, and they call the fire department. They
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don't know what to do. But then I also thought about the fact that they're from Los Angeles. Back in
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the old studio, they were going to work every day in the middle of a crime-ridden,
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walking dead wasteland. They were navigating through like Mad Max every day. They'd have
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knife-wielding meth addicts chasing them through the parking lot, but a little bit of ice scares
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them. I don't quite understand. But fortunately, we are here. And now I guess we'll get, it's kind
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of a sore subject, but Biden, as mentioned, did have his press conference yesterday, timing it
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exactly. Is it a coincidence? Only a second press conference he gives in a year happens to air at
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the same time as my Dr. Phil appearance. Coincidence? Probably, but maybe not. So we'll go through a
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couple of his answers here. He's asked about why he called most of the country Jim Crow racist.
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And, you know, is he a very angry man who hates most of the citizens of this country? Is that why?
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His answer doesn't do much to allay that suspicion. Let's listen.
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You campaigned and you ran on a return to civility. And I know that you dispute the characterization that
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you called folks who would oppose those voting bills as being Bull Connor or George Wallace.
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But you said that they would be sort of in the same camp.
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No, I didn't say that. Look what I said. Go back and read what I said. And tell me if you think I
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called anyone who voted on the side of the position taken by Bull Connor, that they were Bull Connor.
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And that is an interesting reading of English. You, I assume you got into,
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in the journalism because you like to write. So did you expect that that would work with Senators
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Manchin or Sinema? No, here's the thing. There's certain things that are so consequential.
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You have to speak from your heart as well as your head. I was speaking out forcefully on what I think
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to be at stake. That's what it is. And by the way, no one,
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no one forgets who was on the side of King or Bull Connor.
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No one not done that. The history books will note it.
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And when I was making the case, don't think this is a freebie.
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You don't get to vote this way. And then somehow it goes away.
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This will be stick with you the rest of your career and long after you're gone.
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You see this man who has clearly lost his mind is a dementia patient.
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You know, there's the people on the right that complain that we don't get more press conferences.
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I, I, I hope we don't have another one for the rest of his presidency.
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I hope this is the last, I wish that he would never address the public ever again.
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Address us with a, in written word, you know, send a, send a memo, send an email that we'll all get.
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Because having him up, I don't see how it does anybody any good to have him losing his mind visibly on camera.
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Um, doesn't do us any good unless the people who are in a position to do it will actually take steps to get rid of this guy.
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Because he's not mentally competent, but that's, that's not going to happen.
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Um, so I, I hope there's not another press conference.
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And, uh, and he said, what, what, what, what even is his justification?
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He says, I guess it's just his rationale here is that, no, no, no.
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I said that you were on the side of Bull Connor and, uh, and George Wallace.
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I didn't, I didn't, I didn't accuse everyone of being Bull Connor.
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We know you didn't, you weren't saying that they literally are that person.
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If they won't, uh, support a voting rights bill to protect the rights that everybody already has.
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And speaking of voting, he was also asked about, uh, well, if we don't get this voting rights,
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bill in place, and then we get to the midterm elections, you know, are you willing, can you
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sit here and just assure everybody, assure the American people that the elections are still
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legitimate, especially because we've been told repeatedly over the last year, year and a half,
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that the worst thing you could ever do is question the legitimacy of our elections.
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That is an attack on our very democracy, our system of government.
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And let's see how, uh, Joe Biden fields that question.
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Speaking of voting rights legislation, if this isn't passed, do you still believe the
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upcoming election will be fairly conducted and its results will be legitimate?
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Well, it all depends on, uh, whether or not we're able to make the case to the American
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people that some of this is being set up to try to alter the outcome of the election.
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Okay. So in other words, if I don't get my way, then yes, the elections are illegitimate and it's
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just a, it's just a, a coincidence. So you understand all of this is a coincidence. The fact
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that they are almost certainly going to going to be annihilated in the midterms, the Democrats are
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walking into a bloodbath and there's no escaping it now. And they know it. And the fact that that's
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about to happen. And now is when they're launching this full-on campaign screaming about an attack on
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voting rights and people are being prevented from voting, all a coincidence, right?
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No, this is, well, I'll tell you what it's not. This is not, as I've explained many times, this is
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not a double standard. It sounds like a double standard. When you hear him, the president of
00:22:41.060
the United States standing in front of the American people and openly, um, and in advance questioning
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the legitimacy and therefore the results of an upcoming election. When you hear him doing that
00:22:52.280
after he and the rest of the Democrats, but the last year condemning Trump for doing something
00:22:57.520
similar, you might say that's a double standard. It's not a double standard. There is one standard
00:23:03.240
here. And the one standard again is it's okay when they do it, whatever, maybe we'll put it this way.
00:23:10.540
Whatever they are doing is okay because it's them and whatever their opponents are doing is bad
00:23:19.600
because they're the opponents. That's the standard. There's a certain, um, coherence to it. Not,
00:23:27.340
not really. There's no moral coherence, but it's at least understandable.
00:23:31.220
And that's, that's all it is. One standard. They can do it, but not you.
00:23:39.280
And that's the case when it comes to questioning elections. That's the case when it comes to,
00:23:43.060
uh, attending a maskless party, they can do it, but not you. All right. I remember yesterday how
00:23:50.900
Don Lemon said that we should not do our own research like idiots. Only an idiot would try to
00:23:55.880
do their own research and look things up and read. No, just listen to them. We should just trust
00:24:01.480
them. Well, okay. Then, um, then I guess if we should trust them, then we should probably trust
00:24:05.660
this report from NPR and repeat it on every major news show, corporate media, uh, news show on the
00:24:12.780
left, especially in MSNBC. Here's the report from MSNBC. And we have to trust it because if you're doing
00:24:17.880
your own research, remember, then, then you're an idiot and, uh, and you're, you're, you're lost.
00:24:22.460
You're a lost case. Listen to them. They would never lie to us.
00:24:26.700
Tragically anti mask insanity has now reached the highest court in the land. That's based on brand
00:24:32.800
new reporting today from NPR, which reveals new fissures opening up among the justices during one
00:24:39.240
of the most consequential years for the court recent history. The reporting zeros in on a jarring site
00:24:45.800
earlier this month, when the justices took the bench at the height of the Omicron surge, all of them
00:24:51.140
wearing masks, except for justice Neil Gorsuch, justice Sotomayor, who instead participated
00:24:56.800
remotely from chambers. The NPR report explains quote, Sotomayor has diabetes, a condition that
00:25:03.500
puts her at high risk for serious illness or even death from COVID-19. And she did not feel safe in
00:25:09.900
close proximity to people who were unmasked. Chief justice, John Roberts, understanding that in some
00:25:16.360
form, asked the other justices to mask up. They all did except Gorsuch.
00:25:23.280
So Neil Gorsuch refused to mask up, even though he was instructed to, and then Sotomayor wouldn't come
00:25:29.120
and wouldn't be there in person because of it. Now, I heard this report, and my first thought was,
00:25:37.060
you know, if that's true, good for Neil Gorsuch. I didn't have a problem with it.
00:25:44.180
I mean, do you not trust the vaccine? Sotomayor is vaccinated. I assume triple vaccinated,
00:25:51.160
if not quadruple vaccinated at this point. And so all the people giving Gorsuch a hard time,
00:25:57.900
based on this report, sounds to me like they're questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
00:26:02.060
They all need to be banned from Twitter. You know? Because if you trust the vaccine, then what's
00:26:08.260
the problem? She's protected. Unless you don't think that the protection is good enough.
00:26:15.720
Joy Reid on MSNBC, she was especially upset about this, and she came out pretty hard,
00:26:21.120
and she's just defending Sotomayor from the nasty Neil Gorsuch. Listen to this.
00:26:25.820
Not Gorsuch. He could not be bothered to extend a life-saving courtesy
00:26:29.980
to his co-worker. And it is as serious as life and death because diabetes is a huge risk factor.
00:26:36.420
A report last summer found that 40% of people who died from COVID-19 had diabetes. There's a chance
00:26:42.180
that those numbers might look different with vaccination and Omicron, but the CDC still lists
00:26:47.120
diabetes as a condition where people are more likely to get severely ill.
00:26:50.680
So for having zero, zero problem risking the life of your colleague because you just don't feel like
00:26:56.800
putting a mask on, you, Neil Gorsuch, are both a rotten co-worker, dangerous to be near in a
00:27:02.880
pandemic, and tonight's absolute worst. You're the absolute worst, Neil Gorsuch. Well, one little
00:27:09.160
problem here. Just one, just a slight kind of, a slight problem, technical detail, is that all of
00:27:14.340
that is nonsense. None of that is true. Now the update from CNBC. It says, Supreme Court Justice
00:27:19.260
Sonia Sotomayor and Neil Gorsuch on Wednesday denied that their relationship had been frayed
00:27:24.380
over a disagreement about wearing masks as a COVID-19 safety measure. The rare joint statement from the
00:27:30.000
two sitting justices came one day after an NPR report said that Gorsuch refused to wear the mask.
00:27:34.320
And here's what their statement says. Reporting that Justice Sotomayor asked Justice Gorsuch to
00:27:40.500
wear a mask surprised us. It is false. While we may sometimes disagree about the law, we are warm
00:27:45.800
colleagues and friends. And then we have another denial. This is from the New York Post. Supreme
00:27:50.400
Court Justice John Roberts issued a statement Wednesday denying a national public radio report
00:27:55.160
about this. And he said, quote, I did not request Justice Gorsuch or any justice to wear a mask on the
00:28:02.760
bench. So you can believe the corporate media or you can believe the actual people involved,
00:28:09.360
all of whom have come out. And this is pretty, pretty rare for Supreme Court justices to respond
00:28:13.980
to media reports and all that kind of stuff. So this is one where they're coming down and coming
00:28:19.100
out and saying totally untrue. So this brings us back to yesterday, to Don Lemon's point about how you
00:28:25.760
shouldn't be doing your own research. Well, if you're interested in knowing what's happening in the
00:28:31.120
world, what else are you supposed to do? Again, admitting all of the hazards that are inherent
00:28:39.320
when you try to just wander into the wilds of the internet to try to learn anything. There are plenty
00:28:47.220
of hazards there. And many different ways you could be led astray. And certainly many different
00:28:52.260
distractions that can take you off task. It's not ideal, right? But there are people, there are
00:29:02.160
institutions in this country that are tasked with delivering the truth and letting us know what's
00:29:06.660
happening, and we cannot trust them. It's as simple as that. All right. So Audi is taking a courageous
00:29:14.280
stand for diversity. So let's, they put this out. First, let's look at the tweet from Audi. Do we have
00:29:21.060
the photo? It says, progress in the workplace, diversity, and inclusion play a key role in any
00:29:26.760
team dynamic. Therefore, Audi has introduced gender-sensitive language. In doing so, we open
00:29:32.480
the door to more diversity of perspective, the ability to change and to learn. Now, I, speaking of
00:29:38.200
researching on the internet, I did, I spent, you know, as much time as I could stomach, so I was about 45
00:29:44.240
seconds trying to figure out what this even means. Audi has introduced gender-sensitive language.
00:29:51.060
In what context? What do you mean you've introduced it? Hey, everybody, I'd like to introduce you to
00:29:56.440
some gender-sensitive language. Here it is. Good for you. Did they just post a list of gender-sensitive
00:30:02.460
words, hoping for a round of applause? Not hard to get a round of applause, like I learned on Dr. Phil.
00:30:08.240
So this is what they posted, and then they followed it up with a commercial. I don't know
00:30:16.480
what we call this, but let's play this, and I guess I'll have to narrate a little bit because
00:30:20.220
it's mostly words, but here is Audi's woke commercial advertising their sensitivity. Here
00:30:28.980
it is. Because we recently introduced gender-sensitive language. Okay? Still not clear
00:30:37.080
what the, what, what this means. Causing strong and sometimes rejecting reactions. And then
00:30:43.780
we get a, now that they're putting up just random Twitter accounts who are saying, this
00:30:47.740
is bad, we don't like political correctness. They say, we respect all opinions, but our position
00:30:51.640
towards diversity and inclusion is clear. And then there's a rainbow flag and an Audi car
00:30:57.440
with a rainbow. At Audi, diversity stands for pluralism. And then just random people.
00:31:03.760
We believe in different ways of thinking. Like a lot of those people, they're all thinking.
00:31:09.060
We're convinced that open and unprejudiced cooperation makes us stronger. What does any of this have
00:31:13.300
to do with cars? And there we go. In our view, gender-inclusive language is what? Is a positive
00:31:23.140
attitude toward diversity and equity. What? All right. And we're not the only ones.
00:31:30.020
All right. Now we're getting tweets from people cheering them on. Look at all these random
00:31:33.960
accounts that said we're good. Well, nice job, Audi. All right. Turn this off. I don't, I don't
00:31:39.900
know. What was that? Uh, gender-inclusive language is a positive attitude towards diversity and inclusion.
00:31:47.520
That, those, that's just a series of leftist buzz phrases and terms thrown out. It's like
00:31:56.440
Scrabble. You just threw them out on the board. Throw them into a blender, blend it together,
00:32:00.700
pour out the smoothie of a, of meaningless lingo. That doesn't even mean anything.
00:32:07.120
Gender-sensitive language is a positive attitude towards diversity and inclusion.
00:32:11.320
I saw someone on Twitter say that they really appreciate it when their luxury vehicles, uh,
00:32:16.920
lecture them. And I think that that kind of sums it up. Isn't this what we all desire?
00:32:23.700
We want to be lectured by Audi. And we also, I think I can speak for, for everybody when I say this,
00:32:29.240
that, um, we look to car manufacturers to, to point us the way forward and to tell us what sort
00:32:38.540
of people we should be. I think we look to them for moral guidance. Do we not? Fantastic. Let's get
00:32:45.400
now to the, uh, comment section. Do you know their name? They're the sweet baby gang.
00:32:55.020
All right. Uh, let's start. Of course, we have our, uh, fancy video comments now, and you can leave,
00:33:01.700
you can submit your own video comment by going to, uh, dailywire.com slash sweet baby comments. I think
00:33:07.680
that's the correct one. I want to jump ahead to, let's play clip, uh, 11. Listen to this, Cam.
00:33:14.600
Hi, Matt. My name is Salam, and I'm a Syrian citizen who was granted asylum in the United States.
00:33:20.880
Uh, going back to your point about why the lady should take on her husband's last name,
00:33:27.520
you summed up your argument in one word, tradition. I would say it's more than just tradition. I mean,
00:33:34.200
it's the same way in my country too. Uh, the reason why the man's last name should be the family's
00:33:41.480
last name is that, uh, we need to connect the man to his kids and vice versa. We know, we always know
00:33:49.440
them who the mother is, but we don't always know who the father is, especially in the case of children
00:33:55.180
born out of wedlock. Our connection to our mothers is physical, while our connection to our father
00:34:03.720
is spiritual. Therefore, we need to connect the father to their kids and, uh, SPG for life.
00:34:12.620
Yeah, I think that's a good point. Um, first of all, stop arguing with me. Second, really good point.
00:34:17.780
And I, I think that, I think that's right. I also think this is not mutually exclusive,
00:34:23.160
right? Because I said that, um, that this is one of the reasons why the woman takes the man's name
00:34:29.940
is because of tradition. And what you're providing is one of the reasons why that tradition is there
00:34:35.060
in the first place. So that's one layer deeper. I don't think these are mutually exclusive things,
00:34:39.080
but I did want to emphasize the tradition because I think it matters. And I don't want to give the
00:34:43.040
impression that there's something embarrassing or flimsy about arguing in favor of
00:34:47.680
something based on the fact that it's a tradition. Um, people are hesitant to do that these days
00:34:53.040
because we have this idea that, ah, it's just a tradition. Who cares about that? Like traditions
00:34:56.640
are inherently, um, dispensable. I know that's not your position, but that's, that is a position
00:35:02.160
that lots of people hold. And so I think there's, there's a value in, in saying, no, this is good
00:35:07.160
in large part because it's tradition. Tradition is, is the democracy of the dead, as Chesterton said.
00:35:12.980
It connects us to our ancestors, just as the name connects the father to his children.
00:35:17.680
Um, it connects us to our past and, and, uh, therefore connects us to ourselves in a certain
00:35:23.240
way. You're listening to the wisdom of the billions who lived before you. Um, and there's
00:35:31.480
nothing wrong with asking, oh, well, this is a tradition. This is what our ancestors did.
00:35:36.120
This is where their wisdom led them. Um, this was their lived experience to use the, another,
00:35:42.960
to use my own buzz word there. It's nothing wrong with asking, well, you know, why, why was that a
00:35:48.240
tradition? Why, what was the reason for it? And then that's where we get to some of the answers
00:35:53.580
just given there, um, in the comment, but going to another Chesterton point, um, that, you know,
00:36:02.060
if you come across a fence as you're walking along and you see a fence there and you don't know why
00:36:09.740
the fence is put there, it would be a very stupid thing to just tear it down because you don't know
00:36:14.580
why it's there. And it's, it's possible you could come across a fence that should not be there.
00:36:18.960
And then there's a reason to tear it down. But if you don't know why it's there, the last thing you
00:36:23.360
should do is tear it down. There might be a dog on the other side of the fence who's going to eat
00:36:26.640
your face. And, uh, same thing with traditions. If you don't understand why the tradition is put in
00:36:31.880
place, then you shouldn't be trying to destroy it because you don't even know why it's there.
00:36:37.440
And that's where you should fall back on the fact you don't understand it, but billions before you
00:36:43.000
thought that this was a worthy and worthwhile thing. So you, we, we, you have, uh, your ignorance
00:36:50.720
versus the wisdom of the ages. Which, which should, which should you, should you, uh, side with
00:36:58.840
the question. All right, let's take a look at, um, 12 clip 12.
00:37:04.520
Okay. Showing this, this is a good demonstration, doing the right thing. They're putting the
00:37:16.120
shopping cart into the cart corral. Look at that. You know what that is? Well done. Well
00:37:25.740
done. My sweet children. Um, it's, I can see snow on the ground, snow and ice. That was very
00:37:33.220
traumatic that, that clip for like all the people in the control room and to see that from Los
00:37:36.520
Angeles, snow and ice on the ground. Uh, she was traveling across that snow and ice across the
00:37:42.820
vast expanse of the parking lot with determination in her heart to put that cart away. And that is
00:37:49.580
true courage. I applaud it. Uh, let's look at one more. This is a, let's play clip 13.
00:37:56.700
Hello, I'm Grace and my pronouns are sweet baby and sweet baby self. I've been a follower since the
00:38:03.080
alpaca grooming days. Uh, so a very long time. And the first article that I came across of yours was
00:38:09.000
kids go to college or you'll die alone in misery. So whenever you go on about the college topic,
00:38:15.060
it's always a fun blast of nostalgia. So I have a quick question. Many times when I bring up to
00:38:22.280
family or friends that I'm a fan of yours, they claim that you are quote unquote rude. I would never
00:38:29.560
say such a thing, of course, but some people do make this heinous claim and, uh, they say that that
00:38:35.740
is not fitting for a Christian. And I'm curious what you would say to these people. So SBG for life.
00:38:44.400
Well, you say SBG for life, but are those people still your friends? Is that still family? Do you
00:38:48.860
still see your family that says that about me? Because then, because if so, I'm questioning your
00:38:53.160
SBG credentials, but to answer the question, I have heard that a time or two that I'm a bad Christian
00:38:59.560
attitude and my demeanor. I'll say a few things about that. First of all, this idea that Christians
00:39:03.240
are all called to be mild and polite and meek is a totally incoherent from a scriptural standpoint.
00:39:09.460
I mean, the Bible is chock full of people who were extremely aggressive and blunt and angry and even
00:39:15.840
rude. Sometimes, um, that's all over the Bible in both testaments, not just the old Testament,
00:39:21.040
but I mean, especially the old Testament, go to the new Testament, read the letters of Paul sometime.
00:39:25.260
Um, you know, he was not, uh, putting up with, with nonsense from anybody. Jesus is not depicted
00:39:32.160
as the sort of Mr. Rogers figure that he's made out to be today. He was quite, um, shall we say
00:39:37.640
discourteous at times, uh, abrupt when dealing with the Pharisees and so on, especially with anyone who
00:39:44.500
was engaging with him in a dishonest or bad faith kind of way. Um, so that's the first thing. Another,
00:39:51.620
another point is that, you know, it takes all kinds, right? So you need people, but you need
00:39:56.980
people like, like me, right? I mean, I'm going to rush in there like a bull in a China shop and you
00:40:00.660
need people that are willing to do that, who will play that role. You also need people who are more
00:40:04.340
diplomatic and nicer and more polite. I think you need all of that. Um, think of it like a, in terms
00:40:08.800
of an actual army, not everyone is going to do the same job. Not everyone has the same role.
00:40:13.140
Not everybody's getting their boots muddy to the same extent, but you need, you need all of that
00:40:17.180
in terms of personalities and approaches and attitudes and tones and all of that.
00:40:21.480
So this, this debate about what's the, what's the appropriate attitude? What's the appropriate
00:40:25.720
tone? What's the appropriate, uh, personality for a Christian to have to me is completely absurd.
00:40:30.580
And, and final point, although I just said that it takes all kinds personality wise, there are times
00:40:37.660
in history when certain kinds are needed more than others. And we're at a point right now where we are
00:40:46.020
facing the total moral and intellectual collapse of civilization. That's what we're up against.
00:40:52.640
And it's a very noisy process. Also, there's lots of noise and distraction. You need to shout above
00:40:57.880
the noise to be heard to begin with gentle, meek whispering. Isn't going to cut it. No one's going
00:41:04.080
to hear you or care. Um, there might be a time for that, but it's not really right now. We're teetering
00:41:09.540
on the edge. There is a, there's an urgency that we should feel it's an emergency. So it's a time for
00:41:16.680
a more aggressive and direct approach. And we certainly can't afford to be, to be tone policing
00:41:22.200
at a moment like this. I mean, this is what trips me up the most is that civilization is collapsing.
00:41:29.380
The church in the West is collapsing as well, all around us. And you still have some Christians who
00:41:37.200
are, you know, pointing at other people and saying, I don't know, he's a little bit rude.
00:41:42.380
You know, it's don't, don't be so rude. That's what you're worried about. That's it. They just
00:41:49.920
criminalized Christianity in Canada. In effect, it's going to happen here next. And you're concerned
00:41:55.640
that I might be too rude. I got, um, all right. A couple of the written comments. Also,
00:42:03.140
this is from Rosemary says it's not almost everyone in the country who knows this trans
00:42:07.560
stuff is insane. Everyone knows this, including its advocates. They just don't care. The false
00:42:12.540
ideology comes above all else for them. Um, I think it is almost everyone. I do think that
00:42:18.860
there are some people who, because of a delusion or mental illness, like I said on Dr. Phil,
00:42:25.640
um, really are confused. And then there are kids who are indoctrinated into this and the confusion is
00:42:33.180
cultivated in a very intentional sort of way. And, uh, and they don't know, they don't know
00:42:39.080
anything. They're, they're totally confused. But I think, uh, especially when we're dealing with
00:42:43.740
adults, people who have been on this earth for more than, you know, 20 years, um, and who at the
00:42:52.560
very least grew up in a world where everybody knew that men are men and women are women for all of
00:42:59.480
them. Yeah. I think they all know, but the false ideology comes above above all else. As you said,
00:43:05.660
um, class of 79 says, Matt, I agree that Phelps is a coward, but saying he has nothing to lose is
00:43:12.200
simply not true. His sponsors would drop him like a bad habit. If he strongly opposed a trans swimmer,
00:43:16.860
he's self-interested like any of these elites who want to protect their bottom line. Um,
00:43:22.960
yeah, I guess I should have said it would cost them in a, in effect, nothing, right? Uh, yeah,
00:43:28.540
he, he would lose some sponsorships and all that, but he's already filthy rich and he's not going to
00:43:32.680
be, we don't have to worry. Phelps doesn't have to worry about ending up a homeless on the street.
00:43:36.900
It's not going to happen to him. And the other thing is, even if he were dropped by his sponsors,
00:43:41.720
there would be a lot of other financial support coming his way. There are plenty of other sponsors
00:43:48.440
out there that would, that would love to support him if he took a stand for sanity and then he was
00:43:53.140
canceled, right? We give him a job here at the daily wire. I don't know doing what exactly, but
00:44:00.280
we would do that. And, um, finally porch side politics says Matt's sweet, calm, condescending
00:44:09.560
attitude is the best sweet, sweet, calm and condescending. All right. Well, there you go.
00:44:15.840
Like I said, it takes all kinds tonight at 8 PM Eastern, 7 PM central Ben Shapiro kicks off his
00:44:21.100
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00:44:26.180
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central at dailywire.com. Now let's get to our daily cancellation.
00:45:09.360
Our cancellation brings us in a circle, much like the logic of my opponents on Dr. Phil.
00:45:14.320
One of those opponents, Addison Rose Vincent, who was the one with the beard, posted a story to
00:45:19.320
Instagram shortly before the episode aired yesterday. Addison is not pleased. The post explains,
00:45:25.520
quote, about a month ago, Ethan and I were invited to be guests on the Dr. Phil show to share our,
00:45:29.920
discuss our stories and discuss pronouns. We were excited for the opportunity to educate in a safe
00:45:35.400
space. So you see here, by the way, that they were not looking for a debate. They were there to educate.
00:45:41.720
And that means that they speak and the rest of us shut up and listen. But that's not exactly how it
00:45:46.880
worked out for them. And now they're traumatized. Back to the post. What ended up happening was much
00:45:52.800
different than we discussed, than they discussed with us. And we left feeling attacked by another guest
00:45:57.640
and played by the producers. Well, the other guest sounds like a jerk. I mean, I can't believe he
00:46:03.780
would do that. Addison continues, the episode airs today and we're very worried about how the whole
00:46:08.080
thing will be edited. If you want to watch, go for it. But it may be uncomfortable or triggering to do
00:46:12.200
so. Since the taping, Ethan and I have been experiencing a heightened level of anxiety to the
00:46:16.760
point that we've had numerous nightmares and depression spirals over the last month. This week has been
00:46:21.940
the worse. Please send us both good vibes today. We could really use it. We tried our best with no
00:46:28.020
preparation for what the Dr. Phil show actually had planned behind our backs. And we hope our visibility
00:46:33.280
inspires viewers. Well, Addison, it inspired me. And I hope you can take some solace in that.
00:46:42.080
Now, for the record, these people were not tricked or fooled by the producers. We all had exactly the
00:46:47.700
same amount of information going in. We knew it would be a panel with people on both sides of the
00:46:52.160
issue. That's all I knew. That's all anybody knew. As for the editing, the editors did the trans
00:46:58.560
propaganda side a number of favors. I'm not going to claim that it was motivated by bias. Dr. Phil's
00:47:03.900
team was really fair to everybody, I thought. But things get cut for time inevitably. And so we all had
00:47:10.000
big chunks taken out. I know that I did. And the more that they cut from the Addison side of it and that
00:47:15.960
team, the better for them. Because they only sounded more and more deranged as the episode
00:47:20.960
went on. So as bad as they sounded, I can tell you right now, it was much worse in real time.
00:47:29.060
So what are Addison and Ethan, the poor dears, really upset about? They knew they'd be facing
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off with people who disagree with them. They also talk about these issues every single day for a living.
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It's their job to go around promoting this stuff. So why did I traumatize them? How?
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Why am I now haunting their dreams? I mean, this is me we're talking about. I'm a cuddly,
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nice and lovable guy. The answer is that our culture has so effectively scared the same people
00:48:00.280
into silence that these propagandists have been running essentially unopposed this whole time.
00:48:05.320
They've never run into any pushback. They've never encountered any friction. Nobody has ever
00:48:12.480
called them out on their nonsense, ever, for a lot of them. They've been so ensconced in their bubble,
00:48:18.940
so comfortable in their protective cocoon that it never even occurred to them that anybody would come
00:48:24.340
on national television and actually challenge their position. The possibility was literally unthinkable.
00:48:30.320
They knew there'd be some kind of token opposition, some patsies brought up there to represent some
00:48:36.900
sanitized approximation of the other side, but they expected that conversation to be rigged in their
00:48:42.260
favor because it always is everywhere all the time. Now, they still got a little bit of that. Later in
00:48:48.500
the episode, two parents were invited on to talk about their efforts to keep this pronoun crap out of
00:48:53.120
their children's schools. And both of these parents are doing important work, and they're brave for
00:48:58.940
taking a stand, and I commend them. But one of them began, I think, with a mistake, by laying an offering
00:49:08.840
First of all, thank you for having me. And I wanted to say, so I honor you and your journey and where you are
00:49:14.780
in life. And it has nothing to do with that. We're here about our kids. And so in school, I feel like this is a
00:49:24.960
family issue. It's a parent-child issue. And it's a real issue with some kids. I think that the percentage
00:49:31.240
is quite small for how many kids go through this real serious issue. And including and imposing this
00:49:40.140
on the entire school or the entire class is where I have a problem.
00:49:45.100
Okay, so that's exactly what Addison and Ethan expected. That's what they want and demand and
00:49:50.120
require. They'll tolerate mild disagreement, if only for appearances' sake. But you better be giving
00:49:57.460
those criticisms on your knees and apologizing in advance for everything you say. I honor you,
00:50:04.080
she said. Well, Addison and Ethan, I do not honor you. I think you're completely wrong about everything
00:50:10.960
you say. What's more, I think you're narcissists and bullies. I think you don't give a damn about
00:50:17.480
anybody or anything but yourselves. I think you advocate for opening up bathrooms and sports
00:50:23.000
teams because, from your perspective, the rape, trauma, and abuse that happens as a result is worth
00:50:27.620
it. As long as your ideology wins the day. And your self-perceptions are reinforced. Because that's
00:50:34.020
all you care about. I think you represent something that is not only anti-scientific and irrational,
00:50:39.080
but evil. And I think you have evil intentions. I think you're bad people.
00:50:44.280
And I think that you are neither correct nor well-meaning. And if one person in the whole
00:50:50.960
world, in your whole life, saying this to you causes you to spiral into depression and be plagued
00:50:55.920
by nightmares, maybe that should clue you in. It sounds like your conscience is trying to tell
00:51:01.760
you something. You see, people scream at me every day, and they say the most horrible things about
00:51:07.740
myself and my family. I encounter more outright hostility in a day than you have in your whole
00:51:14.180
life. I guarantee you that. I didn't have the audience clapping for me. You do. And yet,
00:51:21.380
I've slept like a baby every night since that taping. That's because I know I'm standing in the
00:51:25.860
truth, not just factually, but morally. You don't have the same self-assurance. Well, then maybe you
00:51:32.440
should look within yourself. That's all you ever do anyway. You're constantly staring back into
00:51:37.400
yourself, shouting into the cavern of your own ego, listening to the echo. Well, while you're in
00:51:43.360
there, maybe try a bit of actual introspection. It might serve you well. In the meantime, and I'm
00:51:52.300
sorry if this gives you even more nightmares, but sadly, you are canceled. And we'll leave it there
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for today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Have a great day. Godspeed.
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