Ep. 887 - The Victims Of Emoji-Based Oppression
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Tax-funded NPR publishes a lengthy investigation into the racial implications of the emojis you use when you text people. Also, trans activists were planning a big protest at my event at Texas A&M last night, and it was canceled. Plus, polls show that viewers are fleeing the NFL because of its political pandering.
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Today on the Matt Walsh Show, tax-funded NPR publishes a lengthy investigation into the
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racial implications of the emojis that you use when you text people. It sounds crazy already,
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but wait until you hear some of this. It's pretty great. Also, trans activists were planning a big
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protest at my event at Texas A&M last night. So what happened? I'll tell you about it. Plus,
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polls show that viewers are fleeing the NFL because of its political pandering. Big surprise
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there. Plus, a pastor attracts the ire of the mob for promoting modesty. And we know pastors
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aren't supposed to do that. And Adele gets in trouble herself for saying that she loves being
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a woman, which we know now is transphobic. And in our daily cancellation, one of my opponents on that
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Dr. Phil episode appeared on his podcast yesterday to offer her reflections on the experience. And
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it turns out that she doesn't like me very much. We'll talk about that as well and so much more
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So, you know, NPR, like most of our corporate media institutions, has been for years deteriorating
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irrevocably into far left lunacy. The only difference difference between NPR and most other media
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institutions is that NPR is funded by tax money. Of course, you are you are paying to facilitate
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this dissent, whether you like it or not. And so it's worth taking a look to see just how bad
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things have gotten. And what I'm about to share with you is a reflection of both our media's total
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intellectual bankruptcy and also of the left's rapidly increasing derangement. All of that is
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present in this one story. And also, I share it with you because, well, it's just really funny.
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A viral article posted on NPR.org yesterday has this headline.
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Which skin color emoji should you use? The answer can be more complex than you think.
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Now, you should know, by the way, that this dissertation on emojis of color has three authors.
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Three people were needed to write this thing. And their names are Asma Khalid, Alejandra Marquez
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John Say and Patrick Jaren Wattenanon. So they took all the people with the hardest names to pronounce
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and they said, we need you on the emoji story. And they all contributed to this article about the
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about the complexities of emoji skin tones. This is a subject that I confess I have not thought
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about at all, really, mostly because I'm not insane. Also because I don't use emojis because I
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am a literate adult human and I prefer to communicate using actual words, which is I wish
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that most other adults would join me in that. Because through the rampant use of emojis, we have
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as a society essentially reverted back to caveman days, scribbling pictures on the virtual cave wall
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to convey our emotions. Rather than, you know, using written language to communicate that we're
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happy or sad. Instead, we dumbly draw a smiley face or a frowny face. I happy, smiley face,
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which is what you're really saying when you send a smiley face. So all of this controversy over emoji
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color could be avoided if everyone simply behaved and communicated as adults and used actual words
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rather than little pictures and cartoons. In any case, let's go to the article. It's everything that
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you're hoping it will be. And so much more. So it begins. Heath Rossella identifies as three-quarters
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white and one-quarter Filipino. Well, hold on a second. He identifies as that or he is that?
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Because if he is that, then we don't need to know that he identifies as that. This is like if you ask me
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where I live and I said, oh, I identify as living in Nashville. That's going to leave you with more
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questions than answers about my actual physical residence. Because if I live there, I don't need
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to say that I identify as living there. Of course, that's the point, though, of this identifies as
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qualifier. And it's why you're seeing it applied to, it started with gender and now they apply it to so
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many other things because it makes everything obscure and confusing and weirdly subjective.
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Anyway, it says, when texting, he chooses a yellow emoji instead of a skin tone option because he
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feels it doesn't represent any specific ethnicity or color. He doesn't want people to view his text
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in a particular way. He wants to go with what he sees as the neutral option and focus on the message.
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Quote, I present as very pale, very light-skinned. And if I use the white emoji, I feel like I'm
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betraying the part of myself that's Filipino. But if I use a darker color emoji, which maybe more
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closely matches what I see when I look at my whole family, it's not what the world sees. And people
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tend to judge that. I should remind you, by the way, because you might lose sight of this,
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none of this is meant to be a joke. This man who worries that he is betraying himself and his
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ancestors by using a certain color emoji. It's not a joke. This is something he's really worried about.
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And you should respect his struggle and his anxiety. This is a major tax-funded, once-respected
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news organization, and an article authored by three journalists, which begins with some random guy's
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anxiety related to the color of the thumbs-up emojis that he uses when texting people.
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Now, he says that he goes with the yellow option because it's race-neutral, apparently having no
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concern for the fact that it appropriates from the jaundiced community. Meanwhile, other people feel
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obliged to find a skin tone which matches and represents them, NPR says. Continuing,
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in 2015, five skin tone options became available for hand gesture emojis in addition to the default
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Simpsons-like yellow. Choosing one can be a simple texting shortcut for some, but for others it opens a
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complex conversation about race and identity. Quote, I use the brown one that matches me, said Sarai
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Cole, an opera singer in Germany. I have some friends who use the brown ones too, but they're
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not brown themselves. This confuses me. Where do they even find these people? Where are you finding
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the opera singer in Germany to talk about emojis? But it is very confusing, she says. I'm also confused
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when someone uses a perfectly round cartoon smiley face when they themselves do not have a perfectly
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round cartoon face. Yesterday someone texted me a smiley face and I said, wait, what is this? Who
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is this supposed to be? This looks nothing like you. What happened to your face? What's going on? Dear
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God. This is a totally normal and healthy response to this situation. Let's keep reading. Cole is
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originally from California and identifies as black and American. Hold on. Cole is originally from
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California and identifies as black and an American descendant of slavery. So that's another thing
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you can identify as, I suppose. Now, you can identify as being a descendant of slavery.
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Win a lot of victim points for yourself that way. She said that while she was not offended when a
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non-brown friend used a dark emoji, she would like to understand why. Quote, I think it would be nice
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if it's their default, but if they're just using it with me or other brown people, I would want to
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look into that deeper and know why they're doing that, she said. Okay, so according to Cole, if you
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don't identify as black or brown, you can use a darker emoji, but only if it's your default. So
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whenever you want to text an emoji to your black friend, make sure to include a screenshot of a
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previous emoji that you texted to a non-black friend so that they can run a comparison and see that
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you're using the same emoji for everybody. Because remember, they might want to look deeper
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into it. And this, again, is totally normal. Who has not received an emoji from somebody and felt
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the desire to embark on a thorough investigation into the emoji, their motivations for sending the
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emoji, their history of emoji usage? We've all been there shortly. Continuing, a 2018 study published
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by the University of Edinburgh looked at the use of different skin tone emojis, what it referred to
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as modified emojis on Twitter, to find out if the modifiers contributed to self-representation.
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Alexander Robertson, an emoji researcher at Google and PhD candidate involved in the study,
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said the emoji modifiers were used widely, but it was people with darker skin who used them in higher
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proportions and more often. Instead, some white people may stick with the yellow emoji because they
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don't want to assert their privilege by adding a light-skinned emoji to a text or to take advantage
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of something that was created to represent diversity. Perhaps, like Heath Rossella, they simply don't want
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to think about how their message can be interpreted. But Zahra Rahman, a researcher and writer in Berlin,
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argues that the skin tone emojis make white people confront their race as people of color often have to do.
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For example, she shared Sarai Cole's confusion when someone who is white uses a brown emoji.
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So she asked some friends about it. Okay. You know what? I take back everything I ever said
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about college. See, I had thought that people were wasting years of their lives and hundreds of
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dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars, rather, of their parents' money, most likely,
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for pointless degrees in utterly useless fields. But now that I know PhD candidates are becoming emoji
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researchers, I've changed my mind. Because we think about this for a second here, guys. If we don't
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have universities, who is going to prepare the next generation of emoji researchers?
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If we don't have PhDs, there's not going to be anyone around to research emojis. And the next time
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someone says, we've got a bunch of emojis here, we need to have them researched, who's going to do it?
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I can't do it. I don't have a college education. Wrapping up the article, it says,
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Raman said there was a default in society to associate whiteness with being raceless. And
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the emojis gave white people an option to make their race explicit. Quote, I completely hear some
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people are just exhausted from having to do that. Many people of color have to do that every day and
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are confronted with race every day, Raman said. But for many white people, they've been able to ignore
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it, whether that's subconsciously or consciously, their whole lives. Raman admits there's no specific
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answer to all the questions about emoji use, but said it was an opportunity to think about how
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people want to represent their identities. I think it's more one of those places where we just have
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to think about who we are and how we want to represent our identities, she said. And maybe
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it does change depending on the season, depending on the context.
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So, if you didn't believe that white people have advantages in society,
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hopefully you've been disabused of that notion. Because if you're white, you think you have no
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advantage. Think about your emoji privilege. Have you ever even thought about that? You probably
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haven't. Because you're not a slobbering lunatic. So, I think we see two things in this article.
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Well, three things. The first is that NPR should be defunded, and after it's defunded,
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it should be launched directly into the sun. Keep in mind, by the way, that, again, we fund NPR,
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we fund PBS. And this state of affairs has continued, even while Republicans are in charge
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of the government. They have decided they're going to keep on sending money to these, as well as to
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the baby killers of Planned Parenthood, by the way. So, that's the first thing. The second is that
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powerful forces in our society, and yes, NPR counts as a powerful force, unfortunately.
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Major media institution funded by the government. And forces in our society are very invested
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in making sure that you experience this kind of insane, incoherent, totally needless racial anxiety.
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They want you to know that every moment, or they want you to think anyway, that every moment,
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everything you do, everything you say, everything you think, every interaction in your life,
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no matter how seemingly innocuous, is completely fraught with racial implications. They are trying
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to create racial tension where it doesn't exist. That's the kind of sinister underpinning of even
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something as stupid and admittedly hilarious as this NPR article about emojis. They are going to
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people who actually, in their everyday life, in reality, experience almost no racial tension at all.
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There's no problem. They're just living their lives. And whether they're black, white, whatever race
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there are, doesn't really come up. It doesn't create any problems for them. And so, you have to go
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looking for the problems. And looking quite desperately. Picking up every single rock,
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looking under every rock, looking in every crevice and corner to find something. And then they find
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it with emojis. And finally, this brings us back in a very neat and symmetrical way, I think, to our
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first show of the week, where I talked about my recent experience in a third world country,
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where we were last week. And people there, as I said, you know, they, as comes as no surprise,
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they live in shacks made of spare sheet metal. They drink water tainted by sewage. They watch their
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children starve and die from preventable diseases. I mean, they live quite horrifying lives of profound
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suffering. And this is not just a small minority of people living this way in the world. This, in fact,
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is how most people live in the world. And it's how most people in history have lived.
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So, we here in the West, in our comfort and luxury, we are in a small and privileged minority,
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no matter what your race is. And we live now in obscene, unprecedented comfort and luxury,
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and now decadence. And rather than be grateful for that, and appreciate it, and say to our own
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ancestors and the people who built this country, well, geez, thanks for this. You know, thanks for
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establishing this civilization, this country, where, you know, I can live in a home with air
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conditioning. And I can do things like turn on my faucet and drink the water, which that alone,
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you want to talk about privilege, that alone, compared to how most people live, is an enormous
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privilege. Rather than be grateful for it and say thank you, we go looking for problems. And some of
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us live lives so devoid of actual problems that we have to become as desperate as this, making a
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problem out of emojis. And that perhaps tells you everything you need to know about Western
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That's code Walsh. Well, to begin with, you heard about my Texas A&M event last night,
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a speech that was supposed to be infiltrated by the left. And we had their whole written out plan
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that I shared with you. And it was a pretty interesting plan. It was a good plan. They
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had it all written out. They were going to sneak in. They had the speakers they were going to smuggle
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in somehow. And they were coming in their heterosexual cisgender uniforms. They were going to
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make their way into the crowd and disrupt it. And so I was quite prepared for that. And then,
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you know, we get to the event. And it's a great event. It's a big, big crowd. You know,
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I think we had over 500 people, which is great. It's not all that long ago that I would do events
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and there'd be like 20 people in the crowd. So this is a little bit of a change there. The thing is,
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people will ask me, oh, do you get nervous speaking in front of large crowds? No, no. The problem is
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small crowds. Okay. You want to know what nerves are like? Awkwardness when delivering a speech.
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Be in a large room with like 20 people and a lot of empty seats. That's the problem. Fill all the
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seats and there's no problem at all. I can speak in front of 10,000 people. No problem. I'd rather
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speak in front of 10,000 than 10,000, actually. So that was all great. And, you know, I gave the
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speech. I was waiting at any moment for the leftists, the trans activists to initiate their
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plan. And of course, they never did. Nothing happened at all. Much to my disappointment.
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And then we finally get to the Q&A when, as always, you know, if you want to argue with me,
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if you disagree with my point of view, if you want to debate me, if you want to try to embarrass me,
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you know, all of the horrible and bigoted things that I've just said, if you want to
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point by point, rebut and refute and debunk it, you can do that. And we actually, at every YAF event,
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people who disagree are invited to the front of the line. So we're going to make sure that you get
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your chance to say something. And not only do they not stand up and disrupt the event, none of them
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took the microphone to argue with me. Except for one guy, which was sort of an interesting exchange,
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someone who identified as trans. And he did. And you could watch it. If you go to YAF's YouTube
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channel, you could see the video, the whole speech. And then you can also see the Q&A. And you could
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see this interaction, which was interesting and a little bit confusing. Because this guy comes up and
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and he is, I mean, I'll say he is not wearing the heterosexual uniform. Exactly. And, but he gets
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up there and he said, he identifies as trans. But he says he actually agrees with everything that I
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said, which I was kind of surprised to hear. And then we kind of started going back and forth. And
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it became clear through the conversation that he actually doesn't agree with me at all.
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Um, I think what he was trying to say is that, is that he doesn't agree with me, but he doesn't,
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but he, but he actually, after listening to me, doesn't think that I'm a horrific monster.
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I think that's what he was trying to get to. But I had this back and forth with him a little bit. And,
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um, you know, I asked him, uh, well, do you, do you think that there are, because he was,
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he was accusing me of, uh, of oversimplifying matters and making things too simple, making the
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issue of sex and gender too simple. And my point is that, no, I'm not simplifying it. It is in fact,
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just a simple subject. There are two sexes, male and female. It's binary. That's it. So that's a
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simple fact. There are a lot of specifics we can get into when we want to get into the specifics of
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the human body and how the body works. And, you know, that's complicated in a certain way.
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But the fact of males and females, that is simple. And so I asked him if he, if he thinks that,
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uh, there are just males and females in the world, or are there other categories? And, uh,
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and he said, no, there's not just male males and females. It's, it's non-binary. There are other
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categories. And I said, okay, what other categories are there besides males and females? And he wasn't
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able to provide one. So we went back and forth and I don't, the conversation didn't really go
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anywhere because what you, what you find out, and I respect this guy at least for getting up and
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getting behind the microphone because nobody else was willing to do it on his side. Um, but what you find
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out when you, when you talk to people who are proponents of gender ideology, it's that they,
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they really just have no idea what, what they think. They, they have no clue. They're, they're,
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they're, they're totally confused. They, they don't even really understand what their position is
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supposed to be. And yet they're never challenged. You know, they kind of exist in this
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bubble and no one, and it's very easy to, to puncture the bubble, but no one ever does it.
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And so all you have to do is ask very simple questions and you see, you sort of see their
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whole worldview shaken and tumble and crumble. All right. Um, this is from Yahoo says the nation's
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relentless culture wars appear to have taken the toll even on the NFL with a large number of
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Republicans saying they have soured on the league and expressed disapproval of its efforts
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to improve the treatment of black players. There's no, there's no bias in the way this
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is being presented, right? Um, professional football remains extremely popular. The poll
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just found just more than half of American adults say they regard themselves as fans and an additional
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15% say they're not fans, but plan to watch the Superbowl, uh, which we played on Sunday
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about, but the league's popularity has eroded somewhat in recent years. The poll found
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about one third of those surveyed nationwide said they're less a fan, less of a fan now than they
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were five years ago compared with about a one in eight who said they're bigger fans. Now the poll
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can't conclusively say why that decline has occurred, but two questions about the NFL's
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handling of issues involving race provides some strong hints. People who, who say they are less
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of a fan now than they were five years ago, more than twice as likely as everyone else to say the NFL
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is doing quote too much to show respect for its black players. They're also significantly less
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likely to approve of the league's ruining rule, which for the last two decades has required NFL
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teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching positions and certain other high level
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jobs. So this is, um, talk about media bias. We, you know, we had NPR and now here's Yahoo or whoever,
00:23:48.580
whoever, uh, sent this poll around. I think it was Los Angeles times. Um, yeah, Los Angeles times.
00:23:55.700
The way the question is framed is, um, is the league doing too much to respect black players?
00:24:03.220
And so apparently a lot of Republicans are answering yes on the poll. If you believe the poll results at
00:24:09.300
all, only because they, they know what's really being asked. So the Rooney rule, for example,
00:24:17.220
that's, that's what that question refers to is something like that, but an affirmative action
00:24:21.460
policy in the NFL, affirmative action in the NFL, in a league that is predominantly black already,
00:24:29.860
where the vast majority of the high paid millionaire, famous athletes are black.
00:24:37.140
60% of the NFL is comprised of black athletes, even though black people are 13% of the population.
00:24:44.020
So massive over-representation in the NFL, which is fine. I mean, it's fine with me because I don't
00:24:52.340
think that your job should be determined by your skin color. Um, why all those, uh,
00:24:59.300
black players who, who make it on those teams and into those positions, why are they there? Well,
00:25:03.300
because they're really, really good athletes and that's how they, they win those positions.
00:25:09.860
But the problem with the Rooney rule, something like that, is it, is it that, is it, is it that
00:25:14.180
too much is being done to respect black people? Is that the issue?
00:25:19.700
Now that's, that is what the question is referring to. That's what it's actually getting at.
00:25:23.380
It's, but that's of course a, an extremely biased way of, uh, of misleading and
00:25:31.620
absurdly dishonest way of presenting it. The issue isn't that too much is being done to respect black
00:25:36.260
people. The issue is that a rule like that is totally unnecessary for one thing. Um, it doesn't
00:25:43.780
Because it treats them as though they need this extra, you know, if, if you were to analyze people
00:25:51.700
just on the merits, they wouldn't get the job. So it's actually quite disrespectful to the people
00:25:55.940
that it's supposedly trying to respect. And of course, it also disrespects white people who are
00:26:01.220
being specifically excluded by rules like this. So even with the poll being biased in the way it
00:26:08.740
presents the information, uh, the truth is that, yeah, people are really tired of having ideology
00:26:16.420
shoved in their face everywhere they go. And especially in sports, this is why it becomes
00:26:21.060
such an issue in sports is because this is one place where for years, for decades, you know,
00:26:27.060
people went to escape all that. It's supposed to be escapism. Um, and when you start putting politics
00:26:34.340
and ideology, even there, it becomes even more frustrating for people because the whole point
00:26:40.180
is to get away from that. That's kind of the, the beauty of sports, I think, or that should be the
00:26:47.380
beauty of it. It's like you go to, um, a stadium, you know, like I've gone, gone to the Raven stadium
00:26:55.460
in Baltimore and everybody there is kind of, they're there for the same reason.
00:27:02.820
And most of the people, your fans are the same team.
00:27:06.980
And there's, I talk about all the time, the problem of there being no unity in this culture,
00:27:10.660
because there's nothing to unite around. Well, when you're in the stadium for three hours,
00:27:14.740
everyone is uniting around the fact that they're a fan of this team. It's a, it's, it's silly.
00:27:18.900
It's kind of frivolous. Um, it's not the kind of unity that you can build a country around.
00:27:23.780
It, once you leave the stadium, it kind of goes away and doesn't matter anymore,
00:27:27.780
but at least for those three hours, it's sort of an escape from everything else.
00:27:31.860
And you're in the, you're, you're in the stadium and you're, you're, everyone's focused on this
00:27:35.540
kind of very simple thing, simple yet entertaining thing. And you can bring your kids there and it's
00:27:44.260
going to be a bonding thing with your fathers and sons and everything else.
00:27:49.780
That's what people like sports for. And the fact that it's being taken away from them makes
00:27:53.060
them even more frustrated. You know, it's even, it's even getting to me at this point. I mean,
00:27:58.500
I'm a huge football fan, as I've said before, and, um, I've confessed in the past that, uh, you know,
00:28:05.700
I've, I've dumped the NBA there. Some, you know, most Hollywood movies I don't watch anymore. I mean,
00:28:11.380
all the, I have no problem leaving most of this stuff behind because I don't want to be preached to.
00:28:16.100
Uh, but the NFL was one of the final things I was kind of holding onto because I've always been such
00:28:22.420
a big football fan. And I was trying to block out all of the, the indoctrination, all the propaganda,
00:28:28.900
because I just want to watch the game. And this year, even me in this, this season,
00:28:36.900
I kind of started to lose interest because it was just, it's just too much. All right. This is
00:28:41.140
from the Daily Wire. It says a Christian pastor from Utah trended nationally on social media for
00:28:45.380
hours on Tuesday over a tweet he posted concerning female modesty. Though pastor Brian Sauvé received
00:28:52.580
much support from men and women alike, he became a target for outraged feminists,
00:28:56.580
some of whom sent Sauvé racy photos of their breasts and other body parts. So they were
00:29:05.380
trying to dunk on this man by sending naked pictures of themselves. All right. Um, dear lady
00:29:12.180
started the tweet that set off Twitter. There is no reason whatsoever for you to post pictures of
00:29:16.420
yourself in low cut shirts, bikinis, bra and underwear, or anything similar ever not to show
00:29:21.860
your weight loss journey, not to show your newborn baby, not to document your birth story.
00:29:25.620
The post, the post has signed off your brothers. Um, people didn't like that to say the least,
00:29:34.260
a mocking dear Brian hashtag trended for hours after the post was published and numerous male
00:29:39.060
and female feminists scolded the pastor for having what they characterized as an unwanted opinion
00:29:43.940
about female modesty. The tweet has been quote tweeted nearly 20,000 times. Here's a taste of the
00:29:50.820
outrage reported by the blaze. Um, MSNBC contributor Katie Fang says, I'm a proud member of the congregation
00:29:58.180
of the Holy Church of mind your own damn business. You should try it sometime. My body, my choice.
00:30:05.220
Well, why don't you mind your business about his opinion?
00:30:09.860
So you, what you wear is none of his business. Well, his opinion about what you're wearing is none of
00:30:15.300
your business by that logic. If you're, if you're committed to this minding your own business thing,
00:30:20.340
well, what do you care with this guy's tweeting? Why do you have to respond to it? Just his opinion.
00:30:24.820
He's not doing anything to you. It's not harming you. He's not preventing you
00:30:30.180
from walking around dressing however you want. If you want to dress like a hussy, he's not, he's not,
00:30:35.460
he's not physically preventing you from doing so. That's so you mind your own business.
00:30:39.140
This is always my question to people. Anytime I, you get the, you get the, uh, this rejoinder of,
00:30:45.220
oh, why do you care so much? Why do you care that I care? I'll turn it right back around on you.
00:30:52.420
If it's silly for me to care, how much sillier, sillier is it for you that you care that I care?
00:30:58.900
Because now we have two degrees here. Um, John Pavlovitz, who's an anti-Trump author and also claims to be
00:31:07.140
a Christian pastor says pastors like you are why the church is known for misogyny and the subjugation
00:31:12.820
of women more than empathy and equity. You should try the sacred ministry of minding your own damn
00:31:18.180
business. Liberal author, Tara Dublin says, dear Brian, your invisible sky daddy doesn't care how
00:31:24.420
you like to do it. And neither does anyone else. You repressed weirdo. No one is going to share
00:31:28.580
anything with you perv. Please get therapy on how to treat women as the human beings we are.
00:31:33.620
Um, and then it goes on from there and lots of other responses now.
00:31:38.500
And, and, and many of the responses, we talk about the incoherence of the left.
00:31:42.260
They're accusing him of being a perv and he needs to mind his own business. And yet they're also
00:31:46.580
sending him their naked photos. Mind your own business, you perv. Here's my naked photo.
00:31:53.220
Now I'm not really interested in the non-Christian response to this. Um,
00:32:02.980
you know, the, the kind of secular response, mocking virtue and that kind of thing.
00:32:09.220
Uh, that, that, that doesn't interest me. I know that sort of the godless heathens are going to react
00:32:15.140
this way to any promotion of Christian virtue. And that's a separate subject. And that is kind
00:32:22.900
of boring. And, and, and I don't really care about that. For me, the bigger issue, when I was looking
00:32:28.180
at the reaction to this guy's tweet about monesty, it's the other Christians, the other professed
00:32:33.460
Christians, like John Pavlovitz. And there were a lot of others, many of them claiming to be pastors
00:32:39.060
or whatever else. A lot of people, you know, announcing that, well, I'm a Christian and I
00:32:43.140
find this abhorrent. Um, a Christian pastor talking about modesty, this is, this is only scandalous
00:32:53.140
to us these days in the church as it stands right now. Because many people go to churches where, um,
00:33:01.380
their pastors never challenge them at all. Their pastors never exhort them to holiness at all.
00:33:12.660
This is not holier than thou. It's not, this is not saying I'm better than you. Because that's
00:33:17.940
another thing to keep in mind is that every time someone promotes a virtue or says, Hey, um,
00:33:23.380
here's something that we should be doing. It's, it's not, it's not in and of itself self-righteous
00:33:29.060
or holier than thou. Unless they say, Oh, I'm the perfect example that you all should be following.
00:33:35.380
Hey, Hey everybody, you're not acting like me and you should be follow me as an example.
00:33:40.740
Now, if somebody says that, then yeah, it's holier than thou and self-righteous.
00:33:45.540
But if they simply say, uh, this, here's the appropriate course of action that we should
00:33:50.020
be following. Here's the appropriate behavior. Here's what virtue is. And this is what we should
00:33:53.220
be doing. There's nothing self-righteous about that. And that's what pastors are supposed to do.
00:33:59.860
So in a way, I kind of understand if you're scandalized by this as a Christian and you go to
00:34:05.540
one of these churches where, um, or you, you, you, you allegedly attend one, at least in theory,
00:34:12.740
you attend a church like this. Maybe you're a member of one and you go once every three years
00:34:16.820
or something. But whenever you do show up and the pastor gets up there and, um, he never says
00:34:24.340
anything about sin. He never challenges you for your own behavior. He never condemns evil of any
00:34:30.740
kind. He never exhorts anyone to, to holiness. And so you've, you've, you've never encountered this
00:34:38.180
at all. And then you hear a pastor doing this and you're, you're, you're shocked. But I'm here to tell
00:34:43.620
you that this is what pastors are supposed to do. This is literally their job.
00:34:48.340
That there was a time when every pastor in the church would, would do this. Anytime you go to
00:34:57.300
church on Sunday, you would hear messages like this. You go back 50 years ago. And, uh, even if
00:35:04.820
there was disagreement on the subject, nobody would be shocked that a Christian pastor is promoting
00:35:09.860
modesty, modesty, chastity. These are core virtues.
00:35:14.660
There should be nothing shocking about it. Um, and then especially to have Christian women
00:35:23.680
mocking men who are trying to live with chastity and, and, and virtue. Because that's part of the
00:35:33.000
message here, right? And again, if you're not a Christian, I understand you can laugh and smirk
00:35:37.480
at this all you want, but I'm not talking to you. So this is a mind your own damn business sort of
00:35:41.360
conversation now. So you can butt out if you're not in the church. And this is, but if you're,
00:35:47.480
if you are a Christian, then you should know that, that one of our obligations as, um, as Christians
00:35:55.820
is to guard each other's hearts. It's one of our obligations. It's something we should be always
00:36:00.320
trying to do. That's, that's what it means to, to love each other, to love people. Um, it's loving
00:36:08.880
is willing the good of the other loving someone is wanting them to be holy. You know, it's wanting
00:36:15.100
to help them towards holiness. And that's, that's one of the big reasons why we're supposed to exercise
00:36:20.760
modesty and not just in dress either. Okay. Um, you know, for example, if you have a lot of money
00:36:27.960
and you go out of your way to show off your, your money and you're driving around in a really gaudy car
00:36:34.820
and you're just whatever, you're, you're constantly showing off how much money you have. Well, that is
00:36:39.300
immodest. It's also sinful. And for the same reason, largely in this case, you're not, you're not,
00:36:47.640
you're not guarding your brother or your sister's heart. It was what you're doing is you're causing
00:36:52.840
people to feel envy. And, uh, and that's what you're doing it intentionally. You want them to be
00:36:58.240
envious of you. You are trying to get them to tumble into sin, which is a bad thing as a Christian.
00:37:06.300
And that's this pastor's point is that just like you should not be trying to make your fellow
00:37:11.640
Christians envious. You also shouldn't be trying to make, to, um, you know, to, uh, foster feelings
00:37:19.300
of lust or anything like that. Um, but I think part of the problem here also is that, you know,
00:37:28.460
many women, men and women in the, in, in our culture today have, they have no understanding
00:37:36.460
of each other because we've been told that men and women are exactly the same.
00:37:41.180
And so women have bought, who've bought into this, this is what they think that men are exactly the
00:37:44.420
same as them. And so they don't, they don't understand men. They don't understand male
00:37:48.020
sexuality. They don't understand how sort of visual men are. Um, because they just assume that,
00:37:56.440
well, men are just like me and they hear a message like this and they find it absurd.
00:38:01.420
And finally, one other point here, imagine a bunch of men sending nude and semi-nude photos to a woman
00:38:10.500
on Twitter in order to get back at her for some opinion that she expressed.
00:38:16.160
Imagine that happening. I mean, what's, what's the story there if that happens?
00:38:22.400
The story is that this person is being horribly sexually harassed and everything else.
00:38:29.340
And so here's the, um, here's even more of the incoherence because while we're told that men and
00:38:33.760
women are exactly the same, and for the most part, people have bought into that delusional idea,
00:38:38.180
still, you know, I were to suggest that this pastor is being sexually harassed by women who
00:38:46.260
are sending nude photos to him, you know, people would laugh at that idea. Even the people who say
00:38:51.840
that men and women are exactly the same and should be treated the same, they'll laugh at it. Because
00:38:54.800
that's ridiculous. Men can't be sexually harassed. Oh, really? Because if we reverse the roles here,
00:39:00.660
everybody would agree that it's sexual harassment. All right. Are men and women the same or not?
00:39:07.160
You know, is the question. Let's, uh, let's go. This is from page six. It says,
00:39:12.440
Adele is being accused of transphobia for declaring at a woke gender neutral award show that she loves
00:39:18.320
being a woman. Um, this is, uh, the rolling of the deep singer made the remark at Tuesday's Brit
00:39:25.120
awards that she collected the prize for artist of the year, a newly created category, merging the old
00:39:30.860
best male and best female artist awards. So they made sure to make the awards gender neutral. Now
00:39:37.480
there's no best male and best female. And why? Because males and females don't exist.
00:39:41.240
And, uh, and then she wins the award and she gets up there and she commits the grave sin
00:39:46.520
of, of talking about the fact that she is a woman. And, uh, we have that clip. Listen to this.
00:39:51.440
The name of this award has changed, but I really love being a woman and being a female artist. I do.
00:39:57.700
I do. I'm really proud of us. I really, really am. Thank you so much.
00:40:03.460
That is transphobia because as a woman, now you're not allowed to acknowledge that you are a woman
00:40:11.940
and you're especially not to, not, not permitted to be grateful for the fact that you will be,
00:40:18.940
you're not allowed to have any positive feelings about the fact that you're a woman.
00:40:23.680
And so she's being, she is, she is, she is actually, this is a, this is a thing that she
00:40:28.840
is being condemned for transphobia because of what you just heard there.
00:40:33.460
And as far as I know, Adele has not, uh, as far as I know, she hasn't responded to this
00:40:39.280
controversy yet. Uh, other people have spoken up on, on her behalf, but, uh, she has, she
00:40:46.480
has not said anything. And if this madness is ever going to end, then we need people like Adele to
00:40:53.920
speak up. And she doesn't want to say anything in response to it, but she certainly knows how
00:41:00.320
ridiculous this is. And if, if, if, if, if the word misogyny means anything, then how could it not
00:41:09.760
apply to this? How is that not, you're not, you're not allowed to talk about the fact that you're a
00:41:15.320
woman. You are not allowed to say, I'm grateful to be a woman. Um, we need people like Adele,
00:41:24.280
just like JK Rowling has to speak up about, about this because she knows that it's ridiculous
00:41:29.740
and it's not going to stop until people like her, you know, it's one thing for people like me,
00:41:35.600
people on the right, people who are expected to have these views. It's one thing for us to go out
00:41:39.700
and ranting and raving about it, which we have to do, but, uh, we need people who are in the
00:41:44.800
mainstream like JK Rowling. She can't be the only one because all of them know how crazy it is.
00:41:50.540
And if there's going to be a change, then it's going to happen with, with them.
00:41:55.760
All right. Finally, we haven't played a woke Tik TOK video in a little while. So here's a,
00:42:02.020
So this is just one example of thin privilege and an example of how hard it is for women of size to
00:42:09.160
find anything to wear. You see all these racks upon racks of straight size clothing,
00:42:14.980
tons of options. And then for plus size women, you have about six racks and even then you have
00:42:24.320
limited sizing. We need to do better. So there we go. Thin, thin privilege. Um, and also I love the,
00:42:31.880
the phrase women of size, uh, which makes about as much sense as people of color, you know, people of
00:42:39.880
color, people of size. Well, here's the problem is that, um, everybody has a size. Like if you,
00:42:48.860
if you exist, then you have some sort of size. So we're all people of size and we, and we all also
00:42:54.380
have a color. You know, I'm, I'm actually, I am not, if you, if you look at me, I, I may appear to
00:43:00.680
be pale, but I do have a color. I'm not some sort of like translucent ghost sitting here,
00:43:06.380
despite appearances at times. So thin privilege, which is a part of, part of the story here,
00:43:11.860
people looking desperately for problems in their lives, looking desperately to be victimized.
00:43:16.120
And this is not quite as absurd as resorting to emojis to find your source of victimization,
00:43:21.260
but it's almost there that we know that if you're, if you're plus size, there are options for you.
00:43:27.500
That's kind of the funny thing is she goes over and she shows, Oh, look at there. There are no
00:43:30.480
options for plus size women. What do you mean? There's a whole section there. There's plenty of options.
00:43:34.640
And, but if, if you want more options and no way of looking at it is to, well, you could lose some
00:43:42.180
weight. It could be an incentive to lose weight, which would be a good thing because it's going
00:43:47.500
to be healthier for you and you'll live longer. Just a, just a suggestion. Let's get now to the
00:43:53.380
comment section. Centurion Laflamme says, I think on a level, his apologies talking about Joe Rogan
00:44:10.540
aren't necessarily to any specific person, but an act more for himself. It's an act of humility and
00:44:16.640
justice to say what you've done, uh, that you think is wrong. It could be unwise timing wise,
00:44:22.860
but I respect it on a moral level. Yeah. Well, a couple of things. First of all,
00:44:28.060
in a perfect world, in a, in a sort of ideal society, uh, all things being equal,
00:44:35.300
you know, there wouldn't be a problem with someone offering an apology, a public apology at worst,
00:44:41.280
it would be sort of useless, but there wouldn't be any real problem with it. Um, but we don't live
00:44:46.500
in that society. And so, as I've tried to explain many times, you know, the, the, the biggest problem
00:44:54.300
with the public apology is that you are, it's the food, right? It's the, it's the fuel that sustains
00:45:00.720
the outrage mob and you are feeding it. This is what they want. This is what they need. Not because
00:45:06.100
they're interested in reconciliation, not because they want to forgive you, not because they're worried
00:45:10.020
about your moral betterment, but because, um, to them, the apology is, uh, is submission. It's
00:45:16.580
surrender. Um, it's kind of their pound of flesh and it is what sustains them and fuels them and
00:45:23.540
ensures that they're going to go off to the next person and the next person, the next person after
00:45:26.860
that, you know, when you stop apologizing, you deprive them of oxygen. You deprive them of the fuel
00:45:34.500
that they need. So that's one point. The other point is, yeah. Um, if you think you did something
00:45:40.000
that was wrong or if you have something in your past that, uh, comes to light and you're embarrassed
00:45:45.720
about it, well, you can, you can acknowledge that it was wrong without apologizing. So I'm
00:45:53.800
not arguing that, um, if you, if the cancel mob comes after you for something that you have
00:45:59.600
to stand by and defend everything you've ever done. You know, if they go digging for something
00:46:06.140
deep in your past and they find something and say, Hey, look at this thing that you did or
00:46:09.260
sad or whatever, um, you don't have to just despite them say, Oh yeah, I'll defend that.
00:46:15.920
I was, I was right to do that. That's not the point. So you can acknowledge that something
00:46:22.240
was stupid or wrong or whatever. Um, if it was, because the other thing you don't want
00:46:28.900
them to do, you don't want them to goad you into defending something that, that, you know,
00:46:35.100
you don't want to defend or that's indefensible. Um, but you can do that without apologizing
00:46:41.840
because who are you apologizing to is always the question.
00:46:49.880
So when, when, when they dig up this thing on Joe Rogan, right, they've combed through,
00:46:54.800
uh, thousands of hours of podcasts over the course of 13 or 14 years. And they find
00:47:01.940
examples of him using bad language and they say, do you, what are you going to stand by
00:47:08.620
this? His response could be, well, do you stand by everything you've ever said in your
00:47:13.380
life? I know I don't stand by it any more than you stand by everything you've ever said.
00:47:21.060
Do I apologize to it? Well, who am I apologizing to? You show me who I'm supposed to apologize
00:47:25.440
to, and I'll think about it, but I'm not going to apologize to you, the mob. You're not hurt by this.
00:47:32.420
Um, let's see. Devin says, Matt Rogan said directly to only apologize. If you regret something,
00:47:41.240
it can be a political hit job and still have Rogan have regrets about what was shown.
00:47:45.700
Rogan is letting people know that he doesn't use the word regardless of context now. So the apology
00:47:50.520
is to anyone that agrees with his current view on the world to let them know where he now stands.
00:47:55.900
Well, once again, that's not okay. You can, you can even express regret about something without it
00:48:01.660
being an apology. So the apology is to anyone who agrees with his current view on the word. What,
00:48:08.320
why do they need an apology? I agree with his current view on the, on the word, I suppose, but,
00:48:12.300
but, uh, uh, uh, you know, in the sense that I agree that people shouldn't use racial slurs,
00:48:20.220
any racial slur, no matter who the, who the targeted group is. So if that's Joe Rogan's view
00:48:27.780
on that word, then I agree with it. I think most people do. Does that mean that I'm owed an apology
00:48:34.680
for him because he used the word in the past? No, it's ridiculous. Z's of on says, Matt, since you
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asked, um, crack pipes, at least everywhere I know of anyway, are about a buck, literally a single
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dollar. And then the chore, which is just chore boy kitchen scrubbers, LOL, are another dollar.
00:48:54.880
What? The chore. So it's like two bucks total. And almost no one is out there catching diseases or
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anything like that from used pipes. There is literally no excuse or reason for any of this.
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Um, okay. I, and this is, this is not the only person who, who did contact me with information
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about, uh, about crack and crack pipes. Maybe I should just be clear that it's, it's, I wasn't
00:49:18.720
looking for this info. Some of the information I had people emailing me with like very specific
00:49:22.920
information on the pricing of crack pipes. And I wasn't just to clarify, I was not asking for my own
00:49:28.220
personal benefit. Uh, but it is a question that I have when we hear the Biden administration needs
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to fund crack pipes, even putting aside how fundamentally insane that is. It's like, what
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can't, can people not afford to buy a crack pipe, even a crack head, they can't afford that.
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How expensive can it be? Apparently they're just a dollar. So you can run down to your local dollar
00:49:50.020
store, go to Dollar Tree and, uh, you know, get a pack of five crack pipes for a dollar for five bucks.
00:49:55.600
Uh, finally, Scott says how to escape an escape room. Step one, promote your best-selling LGBT,
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LGBT children's book, Johnny the Walrus four times. Step two, start eating frosted miniweeds.
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Step three, let Clavin do literally everything. Um, yeah, we did do, you know, the shut-in is
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premiering tonight and we had a shut-in themed escape room that we, uh, that we did. And you
00:50:16.900
can find that video on Daily Wire's YouTube. Uh, and, um, you can see in that video that I do
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absolutely nothing at all, including, I make almost no effort to make the video itself entertaining,
00:50:29.560
but I did warn them about that ahead of time. This is the second time I've been roped into doing
00:50:35.600
an escape room. And each time I tell, I'm terrible at them. I'm not going to do anything. I'm not going
00:50:40.840
to be any help at all. I won't even make this entertaining. I'm just going to like wander around
00:50:46.800
and that's it. And for some reason they keep roping me into this. I don't get it,
00:50:52.640
but you can go watch the video tonight is the nights for the Daily Wire. Why? Because not only
00:50:57.960
is it the world premiere of our first original film shut in, but we'll also be releasing two
00:51:02.460
new teaser trailers for new movies coming this year. We could be more excited to be making good
00:51:06.760
on our promise of bringing you real entertainment. And we seriously hope that you tune in shut in is a
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tale of redemption and an intense suspenseful thriller that delivers riveting action without missing a
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Lady, where have you been? Jessica. I can smell the weakness from you.
00:51:29.980
No, stop. Let me out, please. Now you must pay. Don't you touch my kids. Your daughter,
00:51:51.360
The film premieres tonight, February 10th at 9 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Central over at Daily Wire
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YouTube after this month's episode of Backstage. Make sure you click the link in the description
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and turn on the notification bell so you don't miss it. Now let's get to our daily cancellation.
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So today we cancel Dr. Susie Diembo, who you may remember as the mulleted communications professor
00:52:12.740
who appeared on my episode of Dr. Phil. She has been quite silent publicly ever since that episode
00:52:17.380
aired, probably because she embarrassed herself to such an unfortunate degree. In fact, she embarrassed
00:52:22.140
herself even more than viewers of the show realize because her worst moments were left on the cutting
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room floor, which she should be grateful for. Well, now she's back, this time on Dr. Phil's
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podcast, to reflect on that experience and also to explain why I'm such a horrible and wrong and
00:52:36.720
evil person. Now you notice how she waits until I'm 3,000 miles away before she tries to make this
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case. With me safely out of the room and out of the state, she can launch her missiles, which she does
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throughout the course of an hour-long interview. We'll play just a few clips, starting with this piece
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from the beginning of the discussion. Listen to this. Why is this such a divisive issue? Because
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I think it is a divisive issue. Yeah, no, I think you're totally right. And it's good to talk about
00:53:04.020
this example in addition to what you said, because it's an example of how I approach communication and
00:53:10.240
conflict in general. Well, there's at least two reasons it's divisive. First, you have people like
00:53:18.960
Matt Walsh and his team capitalizing and exploiting the very real uncertainty that people can feel and
00:53:26.900
face when there is a culture change like this. For me, I think it makes total sense to have people
00:53:34.320
be fearful around something like gender pronouns or personal pronouns and to feel anxiety
00:53:44.020
when they learn about that because it can question their fundamental core beliefs.
00:53:51.520
So this is an example of how she approaches communication and conflict, she says. She
00:53:57.620
approaches communication and conflict by waiting three weeks to come up with any kind of counter
00:54:02.340
argument to someone. And then at that point, presenting the counter argument while the other
00:54:07.560
person is out of the room. That's her communication and conflict resolution strategy as someone who is an
00:54:13.340
expert in the field. She also, again, as a communications expert, immediately attacks her
00:54:19.220
opponent's perceived motivations rather than addressing the actual arguments. And you're going
00:54:26.120
to notice that throughout all the clips we play, is that that's all she does, is go after what she
00:54:32.280
perceives to be my motivation while saying nothing about the arguments that I presented. In this case,
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she says that I'm exploitative. I'm exploiting the fear that people feel when they, quote, learn about
00:54:44.960
personal pronouns because this new information is causing them to, quote, question their core beliefs.
00:54:51.640
Okay, well, first of all, nobody is learning about personal pronouns for the first time.
00:54:56.760
No one learned about pronouns from Dr. Phil. No one is learning about pronouns from the, you know,
00:55:02.540
the, the gender ideologues. We already knew about that. We aren't confused by pronouns or afraid of
00:55:09.780
them. We're all quite familiar with the concept. It is you, Susie, who are confused. See, you think
00:55:15.700
that words are your little pets, which you can take personal ownership of. And you think that the meaning
00:55:23.180
of words is entirely subjective, that each person can make up their own meaning as they go along. But what
00:55:30.040
you don't understand as a communications professor is that if language is entirely subjective, if there's
00:55:36.500
no set definition for these words, then communication is impossible. Because literally the whole point of
00:55:42.820
language has just been removed, causing communication to collapse and break down. You know, there has to be
00:55:49.980
a shared understanding of what the words mean, or there's no way to convey meaning to anybody.
00:55:57.180
If we all have our own meaning for the words that we're using. So when you say that a man is a
00:56:03.940
she, and I ask you, what do you mean by that? How is that person a she? And you have no answer for
00:56:09.580
that question. You have made communication impossible because you are using words apart from their
00:56:14.460
objective meaning without any idea of what your new meaning even is. You have not put anything forward
00:56:21.880
that causes anyone to question their core beliefs. At no point have you or anyone on your side or
00:56:27.040
anyone who pushes gender ideology ever said anything that makes someone go, wow, that's a
00:56:32.680
great point. I never thought of it like that. Sending them into some kind of existential crisis where
00:56:37.840
they begin to reanalyze everything they thought they knew. This has never happened because nothing
00:56:42.360
that you say means anything. If you're causing people to question their core beliefs, it's not by
00:56:47.320
presenting arguments, but it's by berating and cajoling and threatening and coercing them
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into giving up their core beliefs out of fear of social alienation and shame.
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So then, so then who exactly is exploiting fear in this case?
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And it's really frustrating to me too, especially around the, you know, the, the pronoun episode and
00:57:12.060
that react, the reaction that people had to that. So you, you laying out the, how vast your audience
00:57:19.220
is means you are the perfect platform to present multiple viewpoints in my view, because you're
00:57:27.560
reaching the most people. And you, the way we need to hear both of the, or both many different sides
00:57:38.000
of an issue so that people can make a decision for themselves. And when we shut down people are
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from hearing other kinds of perspectives, it's just productive to me and it's really boring. And
00:57:49.620
it's usually motivated by the need for validation from one side. That's not genuine in my view. I mean,
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I could go on and on about this especially with regard to our episode, but I don't agree. I mean,
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I think that providing that platform is a good thing. Some on that, on your show, I wonder if
00:58:11.420
maybe I didn't do my job well enough because they think that he won. And I was like, Hmm,
00:58:16.660
I didn't think that. Yeah. Well, you, I mean, you said it there, not me. If it makes you feel
00:58:21.640
better, Susie, you did have an impossible job. You did lose, you know, the argument, but your job
00:58:27.600
was to defend and legitimize something that is fundamentally incoherent. There's no way to do
00:58:31.720
that. There's no way to win that argument. The only way that you win is if the other side
00:58:35.600
surrenders ahead of time. And that's what you've come to expect from these conversations
00:58:39.560
because it's what most people do. It didn't happen in our case. And that's why you were
00:58:43.720
so flustered. She said in the earlier clip that when she's talking to her students, especially
00:58:48.960
those from rural areas and introducing the gender pronoun concept to them, that she's introducing
00:58:53.820
something that they've never heard before, you know, but that's not true. As we covered,
00:58:58.280
everyone has heard of pronouns before. And the more familiar you are with the concept and with
00:59:03.420
the rules of grammar generally, the more impervious you are to the nonsense that people like Susie
00:59:08.740
and her ilk spew on the subject. But speaking of people being introduced to things for the
00:59:14.040
first time, it is Susie and the people on her side who have literally never been challenged
00:59:18.260
on their views by anyone ever in their lives. That's why they collapse so easily. That's why
00:59:24.020
they run away claiming that they've been traumatized. People on my side, we've all, this is the advantage
00:59:31.060
that we have. We've all heard and confronted gender ideology a million times. We can't escape it.
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So you can't surprise us. We've heard all of it. We hear all of this every day, everywhere we go.
00:59:45.160
How could we not? It's everywhere. There is no bubble available where you can go inside it
00:59:50.480
and escape this nonsense. But these people, they all live in bubbles where the opposing side does
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not exist. That's actually available to them. That's an option most of the time. And that's why
01:00:02.980
they're so unprepared to deal with challenges. The reason people thought that I won the argument is
01:00:08.600
because, well, because I won it. But I won it simply because I asked questions about the opposing
01:00:12.900
side's position, which nobody on the opposing side could answer because they've never been asked those
01:00:18.620
questions before. Because for most of them on that stage and most of them generally, it's probably
01:00:24.260
like the first time they've ever even had a conversation with someone who disagrees with
01:00:28.980
them. Let's listen to one more clip here. You did a good thing by, I didn't really know who
01:00:35.920
Matt Walsh was that well before I went on the show, but I'm real glad that I did that and that you had
01:00:41.100
him on because people need to hear what he is talking about. Now, my dilemma, and I've been thinking
01:00:47.760
about this since the show, and I don't know that I'll have a concrete answer for you yet, but it's
01:00:51.900
been on my mind, is how I think it's important to have him on. And I wish he does. They don't play
01:01:00.580
fair. He's not playing fair. He's yelling. And so I've been sorting through the dilemma of how to get
01:01:08.040
people to actually listen to the words he's saying. And with me, I don't care if you're conservative
01:01:14.680
thinking or you don't like personal pronouns. It's not the outcome. It's how he got to that
01:01:19.520
outcome because his argument made no sense. And it was exploiting fear and it was a lot of
01:01:24.900
generalizations. And that's why I feel like you needed to have him on. So good, because I want
01:01:30.600
people to hear that. And I don't know that that happened. Oh, okay. Well, she wants people to hear
01:01:35.940
my argument, she says. Well, we can agree on that point, at least. I want people to hear them too.
01:01:40.460
Though she says that I didn't play fair because I was yelling. Except I never yelled at any point
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during that episode. And this is how you know you lost the argument, by the way. If after the fact,
01:01:53.060
you're complaining that your opponent wasn't being fair. It's like I said at the beginning of this,
01:02:00.500
if once you start complaining about the refs, you know, after the games, it wasn't fair. This is,
01:02:06.700
they missed that call. You know that your team lost. Now, if I had run up and snatched all their
01:02:14.340
microphones or something and said, oh, you can't say anything, that might qualify as not playing fair.
01:02:20.940
That also would have been kind of funny. And I might as well have taken their microphones because
01:02:24.380
they weren't saying anything anyway. But far from snatching their microphones, I was actually inviting
01:02:28.620
them to speak more by asking them questions about their position. They could not answer those
01:02:34.620
questions because their position is fundamentally incoherent, which is not my fault. Don't take
01:02:40.000
it out of me, Susie. But for now, I do have to say to Susie Diembo that you are once again canceled.
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And we'll leave it there for today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Have a great day.
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No, stop. Let me out, please. Don't you touch my kids?