The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 887 - The Victims Of Emoji-Based Oppression

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, tax-funded NPR publishes a lengthy investigation into the

00:00:04.960 racial implications of the emojis that you use when you text people. It sounds crazy already,

00:00:09.760 but wait until you hear some of this. It's pretty great. Also, trans activists were planning a big

00:00:13.500 protest at my event at Texas A&M last night. So what happened? I'll tell you about it. Plus,

00:00:18.020 polls show that viewers are fleeing the NFL because of its political pandering. Big surprise

00:00:22.720 there. Plus, a pastor attracts the ire of the mob for promoting modesty. And we know pastors

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00:00:43.160 it turns out that she doesn't like me very much. We'll talk about that as well and so much more

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00:02:05.280 So, you know, NPR, like most of our corporate media institutions, has been for years deteriorating

00:02:11.940 irrevocably into far left lunacy. The only difference difference between NPR and most other media

00:02:17.840 institutions is that NPR is funded by tax money. Of course, you are you are paying to facilitate

00:02:23.400 this dissent, whether you like it or not. And so it's worth taking a look to see just how bad

00:02:30.260 things have gotten. And what I'm about to share with you is a reflection of both our media's total

00:02:35.840 intellectual bankruptcy and also of the left's rapidly increasing derangement. All of that is

00:02:41.220 present in this one story. And also, I share it with you because, well, it's just really funny.

00:02:46.000 A viral article posted on NPR.org yesterday has this headline.

00:02:51.240 Which skin color emoji should you use? The answer can be more complex than you think.

00:02:57.520 Now, you should know, by the way, that this dissertation on emojis of color has three authors.

00:03:04.580 Three people were needed to write this thing. And their names are Asma Khalid, Alejandra Marquez

00:03:10.020 John Say and Patrick Jaren Wattenanon. So they took all the people with the hardest names to pronounce

00:03:17.600 and they said, we need you on the emoji story. And they all contributed to this article about the

00:03:21.860 about the complexities of emoji skin tones. This is a subject that I confess I have not thought

00:03:27.720 about at all, really, mostly because I'm not insane. Also because I don't use emojis because I

00:03:34.420 am a literate adult human and I prefer to communicate using actual words, which is I wish

00:03:41.720 that most other adults would join me in that. Because through the rampant use of emojis, we have

00:03:46.880 as a society essentially reverted back to caveman days, scribbling pictures on the virtual cave wall

00:03:53.200 to convey our emotions. Rather than, you know, using written language to communicate that we're

00:03:58.040 happy or sad. Instead, we dumbly draw a smiley face or a frowny face. I happy, smiley face,

00:04:06.320 which is what you're really saying when you send a smiley face. So all of this controversy over emoji

00:04:10.380 color could be avoided if everyone simply behaved and communicated as adults and used actual words

00:04:17.280 rather than little pictures and cartoons. In any case, let's go to the article. It's everything that

00:04:24.280 you're hoping it will be. And so much more. So it begins. Heath Rossella identifies as three-quarters

00:04:32.940 white and one-quarter Filipino. Well, hold on a second. He identifies as that or he is that?

00:04:40.180 Because if he is that, then we don't need to know that he identifies as that. This is like if you ask me

00:04:46.860 where I live and I said, oh, I identify as living in Nashville. That's going to leave you with more

00:04:52.720 questions than answers about my actual physical residence. Because if I live there, I don't need

00:04:58.900 to say that I identify as living there. Of course, that's the point, though, of this identifies as

00:05:02.820 qualifier. And it's why you're seeing it applied to, it started with gender and now they apply it to so

00:05:07.920 many other things because it makes everything obscure and confusing and weirdly subjective.

00:05:14.440 Anyway, it says, when texting, he chooses a yellow emoji instead of a skin tone option because he

00:05:20.220 feels it doesn't represent any specific ethnicity or color. He doesn't want people to view his text

00:05:24.920 in a particular way. He wants to go with what he sees as the neutral option and focus on the message.

00:05:30.660 Quote, I present as very pale, very light-skinned. And if I use the white emoji, I feel like I'm

00:05:35.980 betraying the part of myself that's Filipino. But if I use a darker color emoji, which maybe more

00:05:42.100 closely matches what I see when I look at my whole family, it's not what the world sees. And people

00:05:47.080 tend to judge that. I should remind you, by the way, because you might lose sight of this,

00:05:53.000 none of this is meant to be a joke. This man who worries that he is betraying himself and his

00:06:00.040 ancestors by using a certain color emoji. It's not a joke. This is something he's really worried about.

00:06:05.880 And you should respect his struggle and his anxiety. This is a major tax-funded, once-respected

00:06:12.680 news organization, and an article authored by three journalists, which begins with some random guy's

00:06:21.500 anxiety related to the color of the thumbs-up emojis that he uses when texting people.

00:06:27.280 Now, he says that he goes with the yellow option because it's race-neutral, apparently having no

00:06:32.620 concern for the fact that it appropriates from the jaundiced community. Meanwhile, other people feel

00:06:39.540 obliged to find a skin tone which matches and represents them, NPR says. Continuing,

00:06:46.380 in 2015, five skin tone options became available for hand gesture emojis in addition to the default

00:06:51.720 Simpsons-like yellow. Choosing one can be a simple texting shortcut for some, but for others it opens a

00:06:57.960 complex conversation about race and identity. Quote, I use the brown one that matches me, said Sarai

00:07:05.000 Cole, an opera singer in Germany. I have some friends who use the brown ones too, but they're

00:07:10.240 not brown themselves. This confuses me. Where do they even find these people? Where are you finding 0.90

00:07:16.740 the opera singer in Germany to talk about emojis? But it is very confusing, she says. I'm also confused

00:07:24.540 when someone uses a perfectly round cartoon smiley face when they themselves do not have a perfectly

00:07:31.180 round cartoon face. Yesterday someone texted me a smiley face and I said, wait, what is this? Who

00:07:36.740 is this supposed to be? This looks nothing like you. What happened to your face? What's going on? Dear

00:07:41.460 God. This is a totally normal and healthy response to this situation. Let's keep reading. Cole is

00:07:49.600 originally from California and identifies as black and American. Hold on. Cole is originally from

00:07:55.500 California and identifies as black and an American descendant of slavery. So that's another thing 0.99

00:08:02.660 you can identify as, I suppose. Now, you can identify as being a descendant of slavery.

00:08:10.780 Win a lot of victim points for yourself that way. She said that while she was not offended when a

00:08:16.240 non-brown friend used a dark emoji, she would like to understand why. Quote, I think it would be nice

00:08:21.800 if it's their default, but if they're just using it with me or other brown people, I would want to 0.98

00:08:26.320 look into that deeper and know why they're doing that, she said. Okay, so according to Cole, if you

00:08:32.100 don't identify as black or brown, you can use a darker emoji, but only if it's your default. So

00:08:37.900 whenever you want to text an emoji to your black friend, make sure to include a screenshot of a

00:08:42.780 previous emoji that you texted to a non-black friend so that they can run a comparison and see that

00:08:47.500 you're using the same emoji for everybody. Because remember, they might want to look deeper

00:08:53.540 into it. And this, again, is totally normal. Who has not received an emoji from somebody and felt

00:08:59.720 the desire to embark on a thorough investigation into the emoji, their motivations for sending the

00:09:06.360 emoji, their history of emoji usage? We've all been there shortly. Continuing, a 2018 study published

00:09:13.380 by the University of Edinburgh looked at the use of different skin tone emojis, what it referred to

00:09:19.340 as modified emojis on Twitter, to find out if the modifiers contributed to self-representation.

00:09:24.160 Alexander Robertson, an emoji researcher at Google and PhD candidate involved in the study,

00:09:31.060 said the emoji modifiers were used widely, but it was people with darker skin who used them in higher

00:09:35.500 proportions and more often. Instead, some white people may stick with the yellow emoji because they

00:09:40.740 don't want to assert their privilege by adding a light-skinned emoji to a text or to take advantage

00:09:45.580 of something that was created to represent diversity. Perhaps, like Heath Rossella, they simply don't want 0.97

00:09:51.180 to think about how their message can be interpreted. But Zahra Rahman, a researcher and writer in Berlin,

00:09:56.100 argues that the skin tone emojis make white people confront their race as people of color often have to do. 0.91

00:10:02.220 For example, she shared Sarai Cole's confusion when someone who is white uses a brown emoji.

00:10:07.520 So she asked some friends about it. Okay. You know what? I take back everything I ever said

00:10:13.780 about college. See, I had thought that people were wasting years of their lives and hundreds of

00:10:23.020 dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars, rather, of their parents' money, most likely,

00:10:28.080 for pointless degrees in utterly useless fields. But now that I know PhD candidates are becoming emoji

00:10:34.480 researchers, I've changed my mind. Because we think about this for a second here, guys. If we don't

00:10:41.300 have universities, who is going to prepare the next generation of emoji researchers?

00:10:48.820 If we don't have PhDs, there's not going to be anyone around to research emojis. And the next time

00:10:54.620 someone says, we've got a bunch of emojis here, we need to have them researched, who's going to do it?

00:10:58.980 I can't do it. I don't have a college education. Wrapping up the article, it says,

00:11:04.140 Raman said there was a default in society to associate whiteness with being raceless. And

00:11:08.800 the emojis gave white people an option to make their race explicit. Quote, I completely hear some 1.00

00:11:13.700 people are just exhausted from having to do that. Many people of color have to do that every day and

00:11:18.360 are confronted with race every day, Raman said. But for many white people, they've been able to ignore

00:11:23.200 it, whether that's subconsciously or consciously, their whole lives. Raman admits there's no specific

00:11:27.740 answer to all the questions about emoji use, but said it was an opportunity to think about how

00:11:32.180 people want to represent their identities. I think it's more one of those places where we just have

00:11:37.440 to think about who we are and how we want to represent our identities, she said. And maybe

00:11:42.120 it does change depending on the season, depending on the context.

00:11:48.120 So, if you didn't believe that white people have advantages in society, 0.63

00:11:54.120 hopefully you've been disabused of that notion. Because if you're white, you think you have no

00:12:01.060 advantage. Think about your emoji privilege. Have you ever even thought about that? You probably

00:12:06.980 haven't. Because you're not a slobbering lunatic. So, I think we see two things in this article.

00:12:14.560 Well, three things. The first is that NPR should be defunded, and after it's defunded,

00:12:20.300 it should be launched directly into the sun. Keep in mind, by the way, that, again, we fund NPR,

00:12:26.360 we fund PBS. And this state of affairs has continued, even while Republicans are in charge

00:12:34.920 of the government. They have decided they're going to keep on sending money to these, as well as to

00:12:38.840 the baby killers of Planned Parenthood, by the way. So, that's the first thing. The second is that

00:12:43.760 powerful forces in our society, and yes, NPR counts as a powerful force, unfortunately.

00:12:52.820 Major media institution funded by the government. And forces in our society are very invested

00:12:58.640 in making sure that you experience this kind of insane, incoherent, totally needless racial anxiety.

00:13:07.140 They want you to know that every moment, or they want you to think anyway, that every moment,

00:13:14.300 everything you do, everything you say, everything you think, every interaction in your life,

00:13:19.420 no matter how seemingly innocuous, is completely fraught with racial implications. They are trying

00:13:26.220 to create racial tension where it doesn't exist. That's the kind of sinister underpinning of even

00:13:33.040 something as stupid and admittedly hilarious as this NPR article about emojis. They are going to

00:13:41.120 people who actually, in their everyday life, in reality, experience almost no racial tension at all.

00:13:48.940 There's no problem. They're just living their lives. And whether they're black, white, whatever race 0.96

00:13:53.760 there are, doesn't really come up. It doesn't create any problems for them. And so, you have to go

00:13:59.240 looking for the problems. And looking quite desperately. Picking up every single rock,

00:14:07.020 looking under every rock, looking in every crevice and corner to find something. And then they find

00:14:11.260 it with emojis. And finally, this brings us back in a very neat and symmetrical way, I think, to our

00:14:16.620 first show of the week, where I talked about my recent experience in a third world country,

00:14:20.920 where we were last week. And people there, as I said, you know, they, as comes as no surprise,

00:14:29.620 they live in shacks made of spare sheet metal. They drink water tainted by sewage. They watch their

00:14:34.760 children starve and die from preventable diseases. I mean, they live quite horrifying lives of profound

00:14:42.840 suffering. And this is not just a small minority of people living this way in the world. This, in fact,

00:14:48.340 is how most people live in the world. And it's how most people in history have lived.

00:14:53.660 So, we here in the West, in our comfort and luxury, we are in a small and privileged minority,

00:14:58.820 no matter what your race is. And we live now in obscene, unprecedented comfort and luxury,

00:15:07.820 and now decadence. And rather than be grateful for that, and appreciate it, and say to our own

00:15:16.160 ancestors and the people who built this country, well, geez, thanks for this. You know, thanks for

00:15:21.880 establishing this civilization, this country, where, you know, I can live in a home with air

00:15:28.520 conditioning. And I can do things like turn on my faucet and drink the water, which that alone,

00:15:37.160 you want to talk about privilege, that alone, compared to how most people live, is an enormous

00:15:40.560 privilege. Rather than be grateful for it and say thank you, we go looking for problems. And some of

00:15:48.920 us live lives so devoid of actual problems that we have to become as desperate as this, making a

00:15:55.780 problem out of emojis. And that perhaps tells you everything you need to know about Western

00:16:01.480 culture, and especially about NPR. Now let's get to our five headlines.

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00:17:19.720 That's code Walsh. Well, to begin with, you heard about my Texas A&M event last night,

00:17:27.800 a speech that was supposed to be infiltrated by the left. And we had their whole written out plan

00:17:35.020 that I shared with you. And it was a pretty interesting plan. It was a good plan. They

00:17:39.820 had it all written out. They were going to sneak in. They had the speakers they were going to smuggle

00:17:43.260 in somehow. And they were coming in their heterosexual cisgender uniforms. They were going to 0.69

00:17:48.000 make their way into the crowd and disrupt it. And so I was quite prepared for that. And then,

00:17:52.380 you know, we get to the event. And it's a great event. It's a big, big crowd. You know,

00:17:58.340 I think we had over 500 people, which is great. It's not all that long ago that I would do events

00:18:03.420 and there'd be like 20 people in the crowd. So this is a little bit of a change there. The thing is,

00:18:07.080 people will ask me, oh, do you get nervous speaking in front of large crowds? No, no. The problem is

00:18:13.820 small crowds. Okay. You want to know what nerves are like? Awkwardness when delivering a speech.

00:18:20.760 Be in a large room with like 20 people and a lot of empty seats. That's the problem. Fill all the

00:18:26.160 seats and there's no problem at all. I can speak in front of 10,000 people. No problem. I'd rather

00:18:30.020 speak in front of 10,000 than 10,000, actually. So that was all great. And, you know, I gave the

00:18:38.420 speech. I was waiting at any moment for the leftists, the trans activists to initiate their 0.67

00:18:45.240 plan. And of course, they never did. Nothing happened at all. Much to my disappointment.

00:18:51.520 And then we finally get to the Q&A when, as always, you know, if you want to argue with me,

00:18:59.800 if you disagree with my point of view, if you want to debate me, if you want to try to embarrass me,

00:19:03.680 you know, all of the horrible and bigoted things that I've just said, if you want to

00:19:08.220 point by point, rebut and refute and debunk it, you can do that. And we actually, at every YAF event,

00:19:15.240 people who disagree are invited to the front of the line. So we're going to make sure that you get

00:19:21.160 your chance to say something. And not only do they not stand up and disrupt the event, none of them

00:19:26.720 took the microphone to argue with me. Except for one guy, which was sort of an interesting exchange,

00:19:34.520 someone who identified as trans. And he did. And you could watch it. If you go to YAF's YouTube

00:19:39.780 channel, you could see the video, the whole speech. And then you can also see the Q&A. And you could

00:19:43.400 see this interaction, which was interesting and a little bit confusing. Because this guy comes up and

00:19:49.860 and he is, I mean, I'll say he is not wearing the heterosexual uniform. Exactly. And, but he gets

00:19:58.820 up there and he said, he identifies as trans. But he says he actually agrees with everything that I

00:20:03.080 said, which I was kind of surprised to hear. And then we kind of started going back and forth. And

00:20:08.900 it became clear through the conversation that he actually doesn't agree with me at all.

00:20:12.680 Um, I think what he was trying to say is that, is that he doesn't agree with me, but he doesn't,

00:20:20.080 but he, but he actually, after listening to me, doesn't think that I'm a horrific monster.

00:20:24.200 I think that's what he was trying to get to. But I had this back and forth with him a little bit. And,

00:20:28.400 um, you know, I asked him, uh, well, do you, do you think that there are, because he was,

00:20:35.660 he was accusing me of, uh, of oversimplifying matters and making things too simple, making the

00:20:40.660 issue of sex and gender too simple. And my point is that, no, I'm not simplifying it. It is in fact,

00:20:45.320 just a simple subject. There are two sexes, male and female. It's binary. That's it. So that's a 0.88

00:20:51.260 simple fact. There are a lot of specifics we can get into when we want to get into the specifics of

00:20:56.340 the human body and how the body works. And, you know, that's complicated in a certain way.

00:21:02.600 But the fact of males and females, that is simple. And so I asked him if he, if he thinks that,

00:21:09.040 uh, there are just males and females in the world, or are there other categories? And, uh,

00:21:12.860 and he said, no, there's not just male males and females. It's, it's non-binary. There are other

00:21:16.640 categories. And I said, okay, what other categories are there besides males and females? And he wasn't

00:21:21.320 able to provide one. So we went back and forth and I don't, the conversation didn't really go

00:21:24.700 anywhere because what you, what you find out, and I respect this guy at least for getting up and

00:21:29.960 getting behind the microphone because nobody else was willing to do it on his side. Um, but what you find

00:21:35.280 out when you, when you talk to people who are proponents of gender ideology, it's that they,

00:21:41.820 they really just have no idea what, what they think. They, they have no clue. They're, they're,

00:21:48.400 they're, they're totally confused. They, they don't even really understand what their position is

00:21:55.780 supposed to be. And yet they're never challenged. You know, they kind of exist in this

00:22:04.880 bubble and no one, and it's very easy to, to puncture the bubble, but no one ever does it.

00:22:11.460 And so all you have to do is ask very simple questions and you see, you sort of see their

00:22:17.280 whole worldview shaken and tumble and crumble. All right. Um, this is from Yahoo says the nation's

00:22:26.480 relentless culture wars appear to have taken the toll even on the NFL with a large number of

00:22:31.320 Republicans saying they have soured on the league and expressed disapproval of its efforts

00:22:34.800 to improve the treatment of black players. There's no, there's no bias in the way this

00:22:39.280 is being presented, right? Um, professional football remains extremely popular. The poll

00:22:43.580 just found just more than half of American adults say they regard themselves as fans and an additional

00:22:47.720 15% say they're not fans, but plan to watch the Superbowl, uh, which we played on Sunday

00:22:53.120 about, but the league's popularity has eroded somewhat in recent years. The poll found

00:22:57.940 about one third of those surveyed nationwide said they're less a fan, less of a fan now than they

00:23:03.780 were five years ago compared with about a one in eight who said they're bigger fans. Now the poll

00:23:10.340 can't conclusively say why that decline has occurred, but two questions about the NFL's

00:23:14.260 handling of issues involving race provides some strong hints. People who, who say they are less

00:23:20.160 of a fan now than they were five years ago, more than twice as likely as everyone else to say the NFL

00:23:24.340 is doing quote too much to show respect for its black players. They're also significantly less 0.98

00:23:31.380 likely to approve of the league's ruining rule, which for the last two decades has required NFL

00:23:35.940 teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching positions and certain other high level

00:23:40.740 jobs. So this is, um, talk about media bias. We, you know, we had NPR and now here's Yahoo or whoever,

00:23:48.580 whoever, uh, sent this poll around. I think it was Los Angeles times. Um, yeah, Los Angeles times.

00:23:55.700 The way the question is framed is, um, is the league doing too much to respect black players?

00:24:03.220 And so apparently a lot of Republicans are answering yes on the poll. If you believe the poll results at

00:24:09.300 all, only because they, they know what's really being asked. So the Rooney rule, for example,

00:24:17.220 that's, that's what that question refers to is something like that, but an affirmative action

00:24:21.460 policy in the NFL, affirmative action in the NFL, in a league that is predominantly black already,

00:24:29.860 where the vast majority of the high paid millionaire, famous athletes are black.

00:24:37.140 60% of the NFL is comprised of black athletes, even though black people are 13% of the population.

00:24:44.020 So massive over-representation in the NFL, which is fine. I mean, it's fine with me because I don't

00:24:52.340 think that your job should be determined by your skin color. Um, why all those, uh, 0.98

00:24:59.300 black players who, who make it on those teams and into those positions, why are they there? Well, 0.96

00:25:03.300 because they're really, really good athletes and that's how they, they win those positions.

00:25:09.860 But the problem with the Rooney rule, something like that, is it, is it that, is it, is it that

00:25:14.180 too much is being done to respect black people? Is that the issue?

00:25:19.700 Now that's, that is what the question is referring to. That's what it's actually getting at.

00:25:23.380 It's, but that's of course a, an extremely biased way of, uh, of misleading and

00:25:31.620 absurdly dishonest way of presenting it. The issue isn't that too much is being done to respect black 0.99

00:25:36.260 people. The issue is that a rule like that is totally unnecessary for one thing. Um, it doesn't

00:25:42.180 actually respect black people at all. 1.00

00:25:43.780 Because it treats them as though they need this extra, you know, if, if you were to analyze people

00:25:51.700 just on the merits, they wouldn't get the job. So it's actually quite disrespectful to the people

00:25:55.940 that it's supposedly trying to respect. And of course, it also disrespects white people who are

00:26:01.220 being specifically excluded by rules like this. So even with the poll being biased in the way it

00:26:08.740 presents the information, uh, the truth is that, yeah, people are really tired of having ideology

00:26:16.420 shoved in their face everywhere they go. And especially in sports, this is why it becomes

00:26:21.060 such an issue in sports is because this is one place where for years, for decades, you know,

00:26:27.060 people went to escape all that. It's supposed to be escapism. Um, and when you start putting politics

00:26:34.340 and ideology, even there, it becomes even more frustrating for people because the whole point

00:26:40.180 is to get away from that. That's kind of the, the beauty of sports, I think, or that should be the

00:26:47.380 beauty of it. It's like you go to, um, a stadium, you know, like I've gone, gone to the Raven stadium

00:26:55.460 in Baltimore and everybody there is kind of, they're there for the same reason.

00:27:02.820 And most of the people, your fans are the same team.

00:27:06.980 And there's, I talk about all the time, the problem of there being no unity in this culture,

00:27:10.660 because there's nothing to unite around. Well, when you're in the stadium for three hours,

00:27:14.740 everyone is uniting around the fact that they're a fan of this team. It's a, it's, it's silly.

00:27:18.900 It's kind of frivolous. Um, it's not the kind of unity that you can build a country around.

00:27:23.780 It, once you leave the stadium, it kind of goes away and doesn't matter anymore,

00:27:27.780 but at least for those three hours, it's sort of an escape from everything else.

00:27:31.860 And you're in the, you're, you're in the stadium and you're, you're, everyone's focused on this

00:27:35.540 kind of very simple thing, simple yet entertaining thing. And you can bring your kids there and it's

00:27:44.260 going to be a bonding thing with your fathers and sons and everything else.

00:27:49.780 That's what people like sports for. And the fact that it's being taken away from them makes

00:27:53.060 them even more frustrated. You know, it's even, it's even getting to me at this point. I mean,

00:27:58.500 I'm a huge football fan, as I've said before, and, um, I've confessed in the past that, uh, you know,

00:28:05.700 I've, I've dumped the NBA there. Some, you know, most Hollywood movies I don't watch anymore. I mean,

00:28:11.380 all the, I have no problem leaving most of this stuff behind because I don't want to be preached to.

00:28:16.100 Uh, but the NFL was one of the final things I was kind of holding onto because I've always been such

00:28:22.420 a big football fan. And I was trying to block out all of the, the indoctrination, all the propaganda,

00:28:28.900 because I just want to watch the game. And this year, even me in this, this season,

00:28:36.900 I kind of started to lose interest because it was just, it's just too much. All right. This is

00:28:41.140 from the Daily Wire. It says a Christian pastor from Utah trended nationally on social media for

00:28:45.380 hours on Tuesday over a tweet he posted concerning female modesty. Though pastor Brian Sauvé received

00:28:52.580 much support from men and women alike, he became a target for outraged feminists, 0.86

00:28:56.580 some of whom sent Sauvé racy photos of their breasts and other body parts. So they were

00:29:05.380 trying to dunk on this man by sending naked pictures of themselves. All right. Um, dear lady 0.90

00:29:12.180 started the tweet that set off Twitter. There is no reason whatsoever for you to post pictures of

00:29:16.420 yourself in low cut shirts, bikinis, bra and underwear, or anything similar ever not to show

00:29:21.860 your weight loss journey, not to show your newborn baby, not to document your birth story.

00:29:25.620 The post, the post has signed off your brothers. Um, people didn't like that to say the least,

00:29:34.260 a mocking dear Brian hashtag trended for hours after the post was published and numerous male

00:29:39.060 and female feminists scolded the pastor for having what they characterized as an unwanted opinion 1.00

00:29:43.940 about female modesty. The tweet has been quote tweeted nearly 20,000 times. Here's a taste of the

00:29:50.820 outrage reported by the blaze. Um, MSNBC contributor Katie Fang says, I'm a proud member of the congregation

00:29:58.180 of the Holy Church of mind your own damn business. You should try it sometime. My body, my choice.

00:30:05.220 Well, why don't you mind your business about his opinion?

00:30:09.860 So you, what you wear is none of his business. Well, his opinion about what you're wearing is none of

00:30:15.300 your business by that logic. If you're, if you're committed to this minding your own business thing,

00:30:20.340 well, what do you care with this guy's tweeting? Why do you have to respond to it? Just his opinion.

00:30:24.820 He's not doing anything to you. It's not harming you. He's not preventing you

00:30:30.180 from walking around dressing however you want. If you want to dress like a hussy, he's not, he's not, 0.97

00:30:35.460 he's not physically preventing you from doing so. That's so you mind your own business.

00:30:39.140 This is always my question to people. Anytime I, you get the, you get the, uh, this rejoinder of,

00:30:45.220 oh, why do you care so much? Why do you care that I care? I'll turn it right back around on you.

00:30:52.420 If it's silly for me to care, how much sillier, sillier is it for you that you care that I care?

00:30:58.900 Because now we have two degrees here. Um, John Pavlovitz, who's an anti-Trump author and also claims to be

00:31:07.140 a Christian pastor says pastors like you are why the church is known for misogyny and the subjugation

00:31:12.820 of women more than empathy and equity. You should try the sacred ministry of minding your own damn 1.00

00:31:18.180 business. Liberal author, Tara Dublin says, dear Brian, your invisible sky daddy doesn't care how

00:31:24.420 you like to do it. And neither does anyone else. You repressed weirdo. No one is going to share

00:31:28.580 anything with you perv. Please get therapy on how to treat women as the human beings we are. 0.93

00:31:33.620 Um, and then it goes on from there and lots of other responses now.

00:31:38.500 And, and, and many of the responses, we talk about the incoherence of the left.

00:31:42.260 They're accusing him of being a perv and he needs to mind his own business. And yet they're also

00:31:46.580 sending him their naked photos. Mind your own business, you perv. Here's my naked photo.

00:31:53.220 Now I'm not really interested in the non-Christian response to this. Um,

00:32:02.980 you know, the, the kind of secular response, mocking virtue and that kind of thing.

00:32:09.220 Uh, that, that, that doesn't interest me. I know that sort of the godless heathens are going to react

00:32:15.140 this way to any promotion of Christian virtue. And that's a separate subject. And that is kind

00:32:22.900 of boring. And, and, and I don't really care about that. For me, the bigger issue, when I was looking

00:32:28.180 at the reaction to this guy's tweet about monesty, it's the other Christians, the other professed 0.97

00:32:33.460 Christians, like John Pavlovitz. And there were a lot of others, many of them claiming to be pastors

00:32:39.060 or whatever else. A lot of people, you know, announcing that, well, I'm a Christian and I

00:32:43.140 find this abhorrent. Um, a Christian pastor talking about modesty, this is, this is only scandalous 1.00

00:32:53.140 to us these days in the church as it stands right now. Because many people go to churches where, um,

00:33:01.380 their pastors never challenge them at all. Their pastors never exhort them to holiness at all.

00:33:09.060 Because that's really what he's talking about.

00:33:12.660 This is not holier than thou. It's not, this is not saying I'm better than you. Because that's

00:33:17.940 another thing to keep in mind is that every time someone promotes a virtue or says, Hey, um,

00:33:23.380 here's something that we should be doing. It's, it's not, it's not in and of itself self-righteous

00:33:29.060 or holier than thou. Unless they say, Oh, I'm the perfect example that you all should be following.

00:33:35.380 Hey, Hey everybody, you're not acting like me and you should be follow me as an example.

00:33:40.740 Now, if somebody says that, then yeah, it's holier than thou and self-righteous.

00:33:45.540 But if they simply say, uh, this, here's the appropriate course of action that we should

00:33:50.020 be following. Here's the appropriate behavior. Here's what virtue is. And this is what we should

00:33:53.220 be doing. There's nothing self-righteous about that. And that's what pastors are supposed to do.

00:33:59.860 So in a way, I kind of understand if you're scandalized by this as a Christian and you go to

00:34:05.540 one of these churches where, um, or you, you, you, you allegedly attend one, at least in theory,

00:34:12.740 you attend a church like this. Maybe you're a member of one and you go once every three years

00:34:16.820 or something. But whenever you do show up and the pastor gets up there and, um, he never says

00:34:24.340 anything about sin. He never challenges you for your own behavior. He never condemns evil of any

00:34:30.740 kind. He never exhorts anyone to, to holiness. And so you've, you've, you've never encountered this

00:34:38.180 at all. And then you hear a pastor doing this and you're, you're, you're shocked. But I'm here to tell

00:34:43.620 you that this is what pastors are supposed to do. This is literally their job.

00:34:48.340 That there was a time when every pastor in the church would, would do this. Anytime you go to

00:34:57.300 church on Sunday, you would hear messages like this. You go back 50 years ago. And, uh, even if

00:35:04.820 there was disagreement on the subject, nobody would be shocked that a Christian pastor is promoting

00:35:09.860 modesty, modesty, chastity. These are core virtues.

00:35:14.660 There should be nothing shocking about it. Um, and then especially to have Christian women 1.00

00:35:23.680 mocking men who are trying to live with chastity and, and, and virtue. Because that's part of the

00:35:33.000 message here, right? And again, if you're not a Christian, I understand you can laugh and smirk 1.00

00:35:37.480 at this all you want, but I'm not talking to you. So this is a mind your own damn business sort of

00:35:41.360 conversation now. So you can butt out if you're not in the church. And this is, but if you're,

00:35:47.480 if you are a Christian, then you should know that, that one of our obligations as, um, as Christians

00:35:55.820 is to guard each other's hearts. It's one of our obligations. It's something we should be always

00:36:00.320 trying to do. That's, that's what it means to, to love each other, to love people. Um, it's loving

00:36:08.880 is willing the good of the other loving someone is wanting them to be holy. You know, it's wanting

00:36:15.100 to help them towards holiness. And that's, that's one of the big reasons why we're supposed to exercise

00:36:20.760 modesty and not just in dress either. Okay. Um, you know, for example, if you have a lot of money

00:36:27.960 and you go out of your way to show off your, your money and you're driving around in a really gaudy car

00:36:34.820 and you're just whatever, you're, you're constantly showing off how much money you have. Well, that is

00:36:39.300 immodest. It's also sinful. And for the same reason, largely in this case, you're not, you're not,

00:36:47.640 you're not guarding your brother or your sister's heart. It was what you're doing is you're causing

00:36:52.840 people to feel envy. And, uh, and that's what you're doing it intentionally. You want them to be

00:36:58.240 envious of you. You are trying to get them to tumble into sin, which is a bad thing as a Christian.

00:37:06.300 And that's this pastor's point is that just like you should not be trying to make your fellow

00:37:11.640 Christians envious. You also shouldn't be trying to make, to, um, you know, to, uh, foster feelings 0.97

00:37:19.300 of lust or anything like that. Um, but I think part of the problem here also is that, you know,

00:37:28.460 many women, men and women in the, in, in our culture today have, they have no understanding

00:37:36.460 of each other because we've been told that men and women are exactly the same.

00:37:41.180 And so women have bought, who've bought into this, this is what they think that men are exactly the

00:37:44.420 same as them. And so they don't, they don't understand men. They don't understand male

00:37:48.020 sexuality. They don't understand how sort of visual men are. Um, because they just assume that,

00:37:56.440 well, men are just like me and they hear a message like this and they find it absurd.

00:38:01.420 And finally, one other point here, imagine a bunch of men sending nude and semi-nude photos to a woman

00:38:10.500 on Twitter in order to get back at her for some opinion that she expressed.

00:38:16.160 Imagine that happening. I mean, what's, what's the story there if that happens?

00:38:22.400 The story is that this person is being horribly sexually harassed and everything else.

00:38:29.340 And so here's the, um, here's even more of the incoherence because while we're told that men and

00:38:33.760 women are exactly the same, and for the most part, people have bought into that delusional idea, 1.00

00:38:38.180 still, you know, I were to suggest that this pastor is being sexually harassed by women who

00:38:46.260 are sending nude photos to him, you know, people would laugh at that idea. Even the people who say

00:38:51.840 that men and women are exactly the same and should be treated the same, they'll laugh at it. Because 0.93

00:38:54.800 that's ridiculous. Men can't be sexually harassed. Oh, really? Because if we reverse the roles here,

00:39:00.660 everybody would agree that it's sexual harassment. All right. Are men and women the same or not?

00:39:07.160 You know, is the question. Let's, uh, let's go. This is from page six. It says,

00:39:12.440 Adele is being accused of transphobia for declaring at a woke gender neutral award show that she loves

00:39:18.320 being a woman. Um, this is, uh, the rolling of the deep singer made the remark at Tuesday's Brit

00:39:25.120 awards that she collected the prize for artist of the year, a newly created category, merging the old

00:39:30.860 best male and best female artist awards. So they made sure to make the awards gender neutral. Now

00:39:37.480 there's no best male and best female. And why? Because males and females don't exist.

00:39:41.240 And, uh, and then she wins the award and she gets up there and she commits the grave sin 0.97

00:39:46.520 of, of talking about the fact that she is a woman. And, uh, we have that clip. Listen to this.

00:39:51.440 The name of this award has changed, but I really love being a woman and being a female artist. I do.

00:39:57.700 I do. I'm really proud of us. I really, really am. Thank you so much.

00:40:03.460 That is transphobia because as a woman, now you're not allowed to acknowledge that you are a woman

00:40:11.940 and you're especially not to, not, not permitted to be grateful for the fact that you will be,

00:40:18.940 you're not allowed to have any positive feelings about the fact that you're a woman.

00:40:23.680 And so she's being, she is, she is, she is actually, this is a, this is a thing that she

00:40:28.840 is being condemned for transphobia because of what you just heard there.

00:40:33.460 And as far as I know, Adele has not, uh, as far as I know, she hasn't responded to this

00:40:39.280 controversy yet. Uh, other people have spoken up on, on her behalf, but, uh, she has, she

00:40:46.480 has not said anything. And if this madness is ever going to end, then we need people like Adele to

00:40:53.920 speak up. And she doesn't want to say anything in response to it, but she certainly knows how

00:41:00.320 ridiculous this is. And if, if, if, if, if the word misogyny means anything, then how could it not

00:41:09.760 apply to this? How is that not, you're not, you're not allowed to talk about the fact that you're a

00:41:15.320 woman. You are not allowed to say, I'm grateful to be a woman. Um, we need people like Adele, 0.95

00:41:24.280 just like JK Rowling has to speak up about, about this because she knows that it's ridiculous

00:41:29.740 and it's not going to stop until people like her, you know, it's one thing for people like me,

00:41:35.600 people on the right, people who are expected to have these views. It's one thing for us to go out

00:41:39.700 and ranting and raving about it, which we have to do, but, uh, we need people who are in the

00:41:44.800 mainstream like JK Rowling. She can't be the only one because all of them know how crazy it is.

00:41:50.540 And if there's going to be a change, then it's going to happen with, with them.

00:41:55.760 All right. Finally, we haven't played a woke Tik TOK video in a little while. So here's a,

00:42:00.120 here's a good one. Watch this.

00:42:02.020 So this is just one example of thin privilege and an example of how hard it is for women of size to 1.00

00:42:09.160 find anything to wear. You see all these racks upon racks of straight size clothing,

00:42:14.980 tons of options. And then for plus size women, you have about six racks and even then you have 1.00

00:42:24.320 limited sizing. We need to do better. So there we go. Thin, thin privilege. Um, and also I love the,

00:42:31.880 the phrase women of size, uh, which makes about as much sense as people of color, you know, people of 0.94

00:42:39.880 color, people of size. Well, here's the problem is that, um, everybody has a size. Like if you,

00:42:48.860 if you exist, then you have some sort of size. So we're all people of size and we, and we all also

00:42:54.380 have a color. You know, I'm, I'm actually, I am not, if you, if you look at me, I, I may appear to

00:43:00.680 be pale, but I do have a color. I'm not some sort of like translucent ghost sitting here,

00:43:06.380 despite appearances at times. So thin privilege, which is a part of, part of the story here,

00:43:11.860 people looking desperately for problems in their lives, looking desperately to be victimized.

00:43:16.120 And this is not quite as absurd as resorting to emojis to find your source of victimization,

00:43:21.260 but it's almost there that we know that if you're, if you're plus size, there are options for you.

00:43:27.500 That's kind of the funny thing is she goes over and she shows, Oh, look at there. There are no

00:43:30.480 options for plus size women. What do you mean? There's a whole section there. There's plenty of options. 1.00

00:43:34.640 And, but if, if you want more options and no way of looking at it is to, well, you could lose some

00:43:42.180 weight. It could be an incentive to lose weight, which would be a good thing because it's going

00:43:47.500 to be healthier for you and you'll live longer. Just a, just a suggestion. Let's get now to the

00:43:53.380 comment section. Centurion Laflamme says, I think on a level, his apologies talking about Joe Rogan

00:44:10.540 aren't necessarily to any specific person, but an act more for himself. It's an act of humility and

00:44:16.640 justice to say what you've done, uh, that you think is wrong. It could be unwise timing wise,

00:44:22.860 but I respect it on a moral level. Yeah. Well, a couple of things. First of all,

00:44:28.060 in a perfect world, in a, in a sort of ideal society, uh, all things being equal,

00:44:35.300 you know, there wouldn't be a problem with someone offering an apology, a public apology at worst,

00:44:41.280 it would be sort of useless, but there wouldn't be any real problem with it. Um, but we don't live

00:44:46.500 in that society. And so, as I've tried to explain many times, you know, the, the, the biggest problem

00:44:54.300 with the public apology is that you are, it's the food, right? It's the, it's the fuel that sustains

00:45:00.720 the outrage mob and you are feeding it. This is what they want. This is what they need. Not because

00:45:06.100 they're interested in reconciliation, not because they want to forgive you, not because they're worried

00:45:10.020 about your moral betterment, but because, um, to them, the apology is, uh, is submission. It's

00:45:16.580 surrender. Um, it's kind of their pound of flesh and it is what sustains them and fuels them and

00:45:23.540 ensures that they're going to go off to the next person and the next person, the next person after

00:45:26.860 that, you know, when you stop apologizing, you deprive them of oxygen. You deprive them of the fuel

00:45:34.500 that they need. So that's one point. The other point is, yeah. Um, if you think you did something

00:45:40.000 that was wrong or if you have something in your past that, uh, comes to light and you're embarrassed

00:45:45.720 about it, well, you can, you can acknowledge that it was wrong without apologizing. So I'm

00:45:53.800 not arguing that, um, if you, if the cancel mob comes after you for something that you have

00:45:59.600 to stand by and defend everything you've ever done. You know, if they go digging for something

00:46:06.140 deep in your past and they find something and say, Hey, look at this thing that you did or

00:46:09.260 sad or whatever, um, you don't have to just despite them say, Oh yeah, I'll defend that.

00:46:15.920 I was, I was right to do that. That's not the point. So you can acknowledge that something

00:46:22.240 was stupid or wrong or whatever. Um, if it was, because the other thing you don't want

00:46:28.900 them to do, you don't want them to goad you into defending something that, that, you know,

00:46:35.100 you don't want to defend or that's indefensible. Um, but you can do that without apologizing

00:46:41.840 because who are you apologizing to is always the question.

00:46:49.880 So when, when, when they dig up this thing on Joe Rogan, right, they've combed through,

00:46:54.800 uh, thousands of hours of podcasts over the course of 13 or 14 years. And they find

00:47:01.940 examples of him using bad language and they say, do you, what are you going to stand by

00:47:08.620 this? His response could be, well, do you stand by everything you've ever said in your

00:47:13.380 life? I know I don't stand by it any more than you stand by everything you've ever said.

00:47:21.060 Do I apologize to it? Well, who am I apologizing to? You show me who I'm supposed to apologize

00:47:25.440 to, and I'll think about it, but I'm not going to apologize to you, the mob. You're not hurt by this.

00:47:32.420 Um, let's see. Devin says, Matt Rogan said directly to only apologize. If you regret something,

00:47:41.240 it can be a political hit job and still have Rogan have regrets about what was shown.

00:47:45.700 Rogan is letting people know that he doesn't use the word regardless of context now. So the apology

00:47:50.520 is to anyone that agrees with his current view on the world to let them know where he now stands.

00:47:55.900 Well, once again, that's not okay. You can, you can even express regret about something without it

00:48:01.660 being an apology. So the apology is to anyone who agrees with his current view on the word. What,

00:48:08.320 why do they need an apology? I agree with his current view on the, on the word, I suppose, but,

00:48:12.300 but, uh, uh, uh, you know, in the sense that I agree that people shouldn't use racial slurs,

00:48:20.220 any racial slur, no matter who the, who the targeted group is. So if that's Joe Rogan's view

00:48:27.780 on that word, then I agree with it. I think most people do. Does that mean that I'm owed an apology

00:48:34.680 for him because he used the word in the past? No, it's ridiculous. Z's of on says, Matt, since you

00:48:42.540 asked, um, crack pipes, at least everywhere I know of anyway, are about a buck, literally a single

00:48:49.100 dollar. And then the chore, which is just chore boy kitchen scrubbers, LOL, are another dollar.

00:48:54.880 What? The chore. So it's like two bucks total. And almost no one is out there catching diseases or

00:49:01.280 anything like that from used pipes. There is literally no excuse or reason for any of this.

00:49:08.700 Um, okay. I, and this is, this is not the only person who, who did contact me with information

00:49:14.020 about, uh, about crack and crack pipes. Maybe I should just be clear that it's, it's, I wasn't

00:49:18.720 looking for this info. Some of the information I had people emailing me with like very specific

00:49:22.920 information on the pricing of crack pipes. And I wasn't just to clarify, I was not asking for my own

00:49:28.220 personal benefit. Uh, but it is a question that I have when we hear the Biden administration needs

00:49:34.040 to fund crack pipes, even putting aside how fundamentally insane that is. It's like, what

00:49:40.520 can't, can people not afford to buy a crack pipe, even a crack head, they can't afford that.

00:49:45.220 How expensive can it be? Apparently they're just a dollar. So you can run down to your local dollar

00:49:50.020 store, go to Dollar Tree and, uh, you know, get a pack of five crack pipes for a dollar for five bucks.

00:49:55.600 Uh, finally, Scott says how to escape an escape room. Step one, promote your best-selling LGBT, 1.00

00:50:01.340 LGBT children's book, Johnny the Walrus four times. Step two, start eating frosted miniweeds. 0.99

00:50:06.560 Step three, let Clavin do literally everything. Um, yeah, we did do, you know, the shut-in is

00:50:11.380 premiering tonight and we had a shut-in themed escape room that we, uh, that we did. And you

00:50:16.900 can find that video on Daily Wire's YouTube. Uh, and, um, you can see in that video that I do

00:50:23.940 absolutely nothing at all, including, I make almost no effort to make the video itself entertaining,

00:50:29.560 but I did warn them about that ahead of time. This is the second time I've been roped into doing

00:50:35.600 an escape room. And each time I tell, I'm terrible at them. I'm not going to do anything. I'm not going

00:50:40.840 to be any help at all. I won't even make this entertaining. I'm just going to like wander around

00:50:46.800 and that's it. And for some reason they keep roping me into this. I don't get it,

00:50:52.640 but you can go watch the video tonight is the nights for the Daily Wire. Why? Because not only

00:50:57.960 is it the world premiere of our first original film shut in, but we'll also be releasing two

00:51:02.460 new teaser trailers for new movies coming this year. We could be more excited to be making good

00:51:06.760 on our promise of bringing you real entertainment. And we seriously hope that you tune in shut in is a

00:51:10.980 tale of redemption and an intense suspenseful thriller that delivers riveting action without missing a

00:51:15.980 beat. Check out the trailer.

00:51:17.800 Lady, where have you been? Jessica. I can smell the weakness from you. 0.99

00:51:29.980 No, stop. Let me out, please. Now you must pay. Don't you touch my kids. Your daughter,

00:51:40.980 she's very pretty.

00:51:47.380 I'm scared.

00:51:51.360 The film premieres tonight, February 10th at 9 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Central over at Daily Wire

00:51:55.360 YouTube after this month's episode of Backstage. Make sure you click the link in the description

00:51:59.020 and turn on the notification bell so you don't miss it. Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

00:52:02.340 So today we cancel Dr. Susie Diembo, who you may remember as the mulleted communications professor 0.97

00:52:12.740 who appeared on my episode of Dr. Phil. She has been quite silent publicly ever since that episode

00:52:17.380 aired, probably because she embarrassed herself to such an unfortunate degree. In fact, she embarrassed

00:52:22.140 herself even more than viewers of the show realize because her worst moments were left on the cutting

00:52:27.040 room floor, which she should be grateful for. Well, now she's back, this time on Dr. Phil's

00:52:31.900 podcast, to reflect on that experience and also to explain why I'm such a horrible and wrong and

00:52:36.720 evil person. Now you notice how she waits until I'm 3,000 miles away before she tries to make this 1.00

00:52:41.720 case. With me safely out of the room and out of the state, she can launch her missiles, which she does 1.00

00:52:48.620 throughout the course of an hour-long interview. We'll play just a few clips, starting with this piece

00:52:53.200 from the beginning of the discussion. Listen to this. Why is this such a divisive issue? Because

00:52:58.580 I think it is a divisive issue. Yeah, no, I think you're totally right. And it's good to talk about

00:53:04.020 this example in addition to what you said, because it's an example of how I approach communication and

00:53:10.240 conflict in general. Well, there's at least two reasons it's divisive. First, you have people like

00:53:18.960 Matt Walsh and his team capitalizing and exploiting the very real uncertainty that people can feel and

00:53:26.900 face when there is a culture change like this. For me, I think it makes total sense to have people

00:53:34.320 be fearful around something like gender pronouns or personal pronouns and to feel anxiety

00:53:44.020 when they learn about that because it can question their fundamental core beliefs.

00:53:51.520 So this is an example of how she approaches communication and conflict, she says. She

00:53:57.620 approaches communication and conflict by waiting three weeks to come up with any kind of counter

00:54:02.340 argument to someone. And then at that point, presenting the counter argument while the other

00:54:07.560 person is out of the room. That's her communication and conflict resolution strategy as someone who is an

00:54:13.340 expert in the field. She also, again, as a communications expert, immediately attacks her 1.00

00:54:19.220 opponent's perceived motivations rather than addressing the actual arguments. And you're going

00:54:26.120 to notice that throughout all the clips we play, is that that's all she does, is go after what she

00:54:32.280 perceives to be my motivation while saying nothing about the arguments that I presented. In this case,

00:54:38.480 she says that I'm exploitative. I'm exploiting the fear that people feel when they, quote, learn about

00:54:44.960 personal pronouns because this new information is causing them to, quote, question their core beliefs.

00:54:51.640 Okay, well, first of all, nobody is learning about personal pronouns for the first time.

00:54:56.760 No one learned about pronouns from Dr. Phil. No one is learning about pronouns from the, you know,

00:55:02.540 the, the gender ideologues. We already knew about that. We aren't confused by pronouns or afraid of

00:55:09.780 them. We're all quite familiar with the concept. It is you, Susie, who are confused. See, you think

00:55:15.700 that words are your little pets, which you can take personal ownership of. And you think that the meaning

00:55:23.180 of words is entirely subjective, that each person can make up their own meaning as they go along. But what

00:55:30.040 you don't understand as a communications professor is that if language is entirely subjective, if there's

00:55:36.500 no set definition for these words, then communication is impossible. Because literally the whole point of

00:55:42.820 language has just been removed, causing communication to collapse and break down. You know, there has to be

00:55:49.980 a shared understanding of what the words mean, or there's no way to convey meaning to anybody.

00:55:57.180 If we all have our own meaning for the words that we're using. So when you say that a man is a 0.98

00:56:03.940 she, and I ask you, what do you mean by that? How is that person a she? And you have no answer for

00:56:09.580 that question. You have made communication impossible because you are using words apart from their

00:56:14.460 objective meaning without any idea of what your new meaning even is. You have not put anything forward

00:56:21.880 that causes anyone to question their core beliefs. At no point have you or anyone on your side or

00:56:27.040 anyone who pushes gender ideology ever said anything that makes someone go, wow, that's a

00:56:32.680 great point. I never thought of it like that. Sending them into some kind of existential crisis where

00:56:37.840 they begin to reanalyze everything they thought they knew. This has never happened because nothing

00:56:42.360 that you say means anything. If you're causing people to question their core beliefs, it's not by

00:56:47.320 presenting arguments, but it's by berating and cajoling and threatening and coercing them

00:56:51.740 into giving up their core beliefs out of fear of social alienation and shame.

00:56:59.580 So then, so then who exactly is exploiting fear in this case?

00:57:04.060 Let's listen to the next clip.

00:57:06.060 And it's really frustrating to me too, especially around the, you know, the, the pronoun episode and

00:57:12.060 that react, the reaction that people had to that. So you, you laying out the, how vast your audience

00:57:19.220 is means you are the perfect platform to present multiple viewpoints in my view, because you're

00:57:27.560 reaching the most people. And you, the way we need to hear both of the, or both many different sides

00:57:38.000 of an issue so that people can make a decision for themselves. And when we shut down people are

00:57:44.480 from hearing other kinds of perspectives, it's just productive to me and it's really boring. And

00:57:49.620 it's usually motivated by the need for validation from one side. That's not genuine in my view. I mean,

00:57:57.960 I could go on and on about this especially with regard to our episode, but I don't agree. I mean,

00:58:06.160 I think that providing that platform is a good thing. Some on that, on your show, I wonder if

00:58:11.420 maybe I didn't do my job well enough because they think that he won. And I was like, Hmm,

00:58:16.660 I didn't think that. Yeah. Well, you, I mean, you said it there, not me. If it makes you feel

00:58:21.640 better, Susie, you did have an impossible job. You did lose, you know, the argument, but your job

00:58:27.600 was to defend and legitimize something that is fundamentally incoherent. There's no way to do

00:58:31.720 that. There's no way to win that argument. The only way that you win is if the other side

00:58:35.600 surrenders ahead of time. And that's what you've come to expect from these conversations

00:58:39.560 because it's what most people do. It didn't happen in our case. And that's why you were

00:58:43.720 so flustered. She said in the earlier clip that when she's talking to her students, especially

00:58:48.960 those from rural areas and introducing the gender pronoun concept to them, that she's introducing

00:58:53.820 something that they've never heard before, you know, but that's not true. As we covered,

00:58:58.280 everyone has heard of pronouns before. And the more familiar you are with the concept and with

00:59:03.420 the rules of grammar generally, the more impervious you are to the nonsense that people like Susie

00:59:08.740 and her ilk spew on the subject. But speaking of people being introduced to things for the

00:59:14.040 first time, it is Susie and the people on her side who have literally never been challenged

00:59:18.260 on their views by anyone ever in their lives. That's why they collapse so easily. That's why

00:59:24.020 they run away claiming that they've been traumatized. People on my side, we've all, this is the advantage

00:59:31.060 that we have. We've all heard and confronted gender ideology a million times. We can't escape it. 0.99

00:59:38.380 So you can't surprise us. We've heard all of it. We hear all of this every day, everywhere we go.

00:59:45.160 How could we not? It's everywhere. There is no bubble available where you can go inside it

00:59:50.480 and escape this nonsense. But these people, they all live in bubbles where the opposing side does

00:59:56.960 not exist. That's actually available to them. That's an option most of the time. And that's why

01:00:02.980 they're so unprepared to deal with challenges. The reason people thought that I won the argument is

01:00:08.600 because, well, because I won it. But I won it simply because I asked questions about the opposing

01:00:12.900 side's position, which nobody on the opposing side could answer because they've never been asked those

01:00:18.620 questions before. Because for most of them on that stage and most of them generally, it's probably

01:00:24.260 like the first time they've ever even had a conversation with someone who disagrees with

01:00:28.980 them. Let's listen to one more clip here. You did a good thing by, I didn't really know who

01:00:35.920 Matt Walsh was that well before I went on the show, but I'm real glad that I did that and that you had

01:00:41.100 him on because people need to hear what he is talking about. Now, my dilemma, and I've been thinking

01:00:47.760 about this since the show, and I don't know that I'll have a concrete answer for you yet, but it's

01:00:51.900 been on my mind, is how I think it's important to have him on. And I wish he does. They don't play

01:01:00.580 fair. He's not playing fair. He's yelling. And so I've been sorting through the dilemma of how to get

01:01:08.040 people to actually listen to the words he's saying. And with me, I don't care if you're conservative

01:01:14.680 thinking or you don't like personal pronouns. It's not the outcome. It's how he got to that

01:01:19.520 outcome because his argument made no sense. And it was exploiting fear and it was a lot of

01:01:24.900 generalizations. And that's why I feel like you needed to have him on. So good, because I want

01:01:30.600 people to hear that. And I don't know that that happened. Oh, okay. Well, she wants people to hear

01:01:35.940 my argument, she says. Well, we can agree on that point, at least. I want people to hear them too.

01:01:40.460 Though she says that I didn't play fair because I was yelling. Except I never yelled at any point

01:01:46.720 during that episode. And this is how you know you lost the argument, by the way. If after the fact,

01:01:53.060 you're complaining that your opponent wasn't being fair. It's like I said at the beginning of this,

01:02:00.500 if once you start complaining about the refs, you know, after the games, it wasn't fair. This is,

01:02:06.700 they missed that call. You know that your team lost. Now, if I had run up and snatched all their

01:02:14.340 microphones or something and said, oh, you can't say anything, that might qualify as not playing fair.

01:02:20.940 That also would have been kind of funny. And I might as well have taken their microphones because

01:02:24.380 they weren't saying anything anyway. But far from snatching their microphones, I was actually inviting

01:02:28.620 them to speak more by asking them questions about their position. They could not answer those

01:02:34.620 questions because their position is fundamentally incoherent, which is not my fault. Don't take

01:02:40.000 it out of me, Susie. But for now, I do have to say to Susie Diembo that you are once again canceled.

01:02:47.780 And we'll leave it there for today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Have a great day.

01:02:50.820 Godspeed.

01:03:20.820 I can smell the weakness from you.

01:03:46.140 No, stop. Let me out, please. Don't you touch my kids? 0.76

01:04:00.720 Your daughter, she's very pretty.

01:04:07.080 I'm scared.

The Matt Walsh Show - February 10, 2022

Ep. 887 - The Victims Of Emoji-Based Oppression

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