The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 99 - Is Monogamy Unnatural？

00:00:00.000 Well, since it's Friday, I thought that it could be fun to reach into the mailbag. Not a literal mailbag, I wish. I wish I had just had a bag of mail with envelopes that I could reach into. But no, metaphorical mailbag and tackle a subject that was suggested to me via email.

00:00:17.340 And by the way, I always enjoy these kinds of emails. So anytime there's a topic that you'd like me to hear me babble about and I haven't babbled about before, you can always suggest it. It also does my job for me by providing me with content. So I really appreciate that as well. All right. So here is the email. It says, Hi, Matt. First of all, huge fan. I'm going because of my incredible humility. I will skip the first paragraph that compliments me. And I'll go to the next one.

00:00:45.500 As a 23-year-old Christian girl, getting married and starting a family of my own is something I'm really looking forward to in life. However, recently I've heard and read so many things about how it's unnatural for men to be monogamous. I even watched a Netflix documentary about why monogamy is not meant for humans, specifically men. I'd like to say that these studies don't bother me, but I'd be lying. Like most millennials, my biggest fear is a failed marriage. And this is just fuel to the fire.

00:01:12.940 Anyway, I would love to hear your take on this matter.

00:01:17.080 So monogamy is unnatural is the subject. This obviously is an increasingly popular idea. And it's something that rather frequently you'll see passed around on social media. You'll see an article being passed around claiming that monogamy is unnatural, that monogamous relationships are doomed to failure, that being polyamorous is

00:01:42.300 is the more enlightened choice. In fact, I saw an article on Facebook recently that I guess was related to a new show on the BBC about a couple who are seeking to save their marriage by having an open relationship, that is by cheating on each other consensually.

00:01:57.440 And the article is promoting the idea of having an open relationship. So I think the attack on monogamy is often direct. You have people directly saying that monogamy is unnatural, implausible, not feasible.

00:02:14.700 So you have that kind of attack. But then I think you have the more common sort of attack on monogamy that is implicit and sort of just cultural and environmental.

00:02:25.100 Where people in my generation have grown up in an environment where that is just hostile to monogamy and where if you didn't know any better and you looked around, you may reach the conclusion that monogamy is somehow an impossibility.

00:02:45.060 There are a lot of people in my generation who were growing up as kids, they really never encountered a faithful, healthy, monogamous relationship.

00:02:58.000 Their own parents were divorced. Their friends' parents were divorced. It was just divorce all over the place. And so that's how a lot of people were raised.

00:03:04.520 And it's no surprise that a lot of them now, as adults, have decided that, you know, marriage, a healthy, stable marriage is impossible. So there's no reason to even try.

00:03:16.580 Now, I think there are a few different aspects of this discussion that need to be tackled or a few different questions that need to be answered.

00:03:24.680 Number one, is monogamy actually unnatural? Number two, is something like an open marriage more natural or even possible, logically?

00:03:37.840 And number three, is monogamy possible? So I'll try to tackle these one at a time.

00:03:43.880 Number one, is monogamy unnatural? I think the short answer is yes and no.

00:03:50.580 It depends on what you mean by natural and thus what you mean by unnatural.

00:03:57.500 Now, I think, and the way we talk about things being natural, it's very convoluted and confused.

00:04:04.340 And people seem to be very inconsistent in the times when they'll use this idea of something being natural as a justification for doing it.

00:04:15.480 Like, we're very selective about that. And I think part of the confusion is that the word natural, as it pertains to humans, can mean one of two things.

00:04:27.060 So when we say natural, we could mean it in the lower sense. That is, it's natural because it's what we instinctively crave.

00:04:35.760 It's natural because it satisfies some base urge that we have.

00:04:42.520 So in that way, being polyamorous or sleeping around, being unfaithful, that is a natural thing in that sense.

00:04:51.940 It's natural like lying is natural, like jealousy is natural, like hatred and gossip and pride are all natural.

00:05:01.140 They're natural like it's natural to get angry and punch a wall.

00:05:05.760 They're natural in the sense that you could experience that urge.

00:05:09.760 And if you have no discipline or self-control, you could easily slip into that.

00:05:16.980 So that's what I mean by natural.

00:05:20.200 A person who doesn't try to control themselves and just lets themselves sort of be, that's how they're going to be.

00:05:26.480 They're going to be, you know, gossiping, prideful, lying, unfaithful.

00:05:31.460 They're going to be all those things.

00:05:32.360 And in that sense, monogamy is unnatural in the same way that it's unnatural to suppress your anger or to exercise humility or to refrain from lying and to tell the truth, even when the truth is painful or inconvenient or uncomfortable.

00:05:49.680 So I think natural in this sense, in the sense that being non-monogamous is natural, would be better called maybe base or even animalistic.

00:06:01.700 Animalistic because animals are going to experience a compulsion or an instinct.

00:06:07.020 And then that's just how they're going to act.

00:06:10.620 They're not going to choose to do something else.

00:06:13.100 An animal is never going to say, well, I really have the urge to do this, but I think that's wrong, so I'm going to do this instead.

00:06:20.640 Animals will never do that.

00:06:21.500 And so a person who says, well, I can't be monogamous because it's not natural, what they're saying is basically they don't want to live like a human.

00:06:32.680 They don't aspire to be a human being.

00:06:35.420 They want to live like a dog, like an animal.

00:06:38.480 But then there is natural in the other sense.

00:06:43.620 I think the higher sense.

00:06:46.520 The sense that maybe we would even call supernatural.

00:06:49.960 And not supernatural because it's magical, but because it is above instinct.

00:06:55.500 It is above compulsion.

00:06:57.100 It is above urge.

00:07:00.000 When we act this way, we are separating ourselves from nature to an extent.

00:07:05.000 We're standing above nature in a way because we are acting in a way that the rest of nature is not capable of acting.

00:07:12.640 We are making a choice that the rest of nature, animals and plants, cannot make.

00:07:17.680 Monogamy, lifelong devotion, belongs to this category.

00:07:20.840 And I know that there are some examples in the animal kingdom of monogamy, that is, animals who have a lifelong partner.

00:07:28.380 But again, that's very different.

00:07:29.580 That's instinct.

00:07:30.480 It's not like they have made this promise and this commitment to each other that I'm going to stick by this person or this other creature for the rest of my life.

00:07:39.920 That's not what's going on.

00:07:41.320 Only humans can make that calculation and make that choice.

00:07:45.360 So it's a higher thing.

00:07:46.520 It's a greater, more beautiful, more enriching thing.

00:07:48.860 But like all higher things, like all greater things that requires effort and work and sacrifice and discipline, fidelity goes against our baser urges.

00:08:01.180 But not because it perverts those urges or those instincts.

00:08:07.740 So it's not like someone who hurts themselves on purpose, someone who's a self-mutilator.

00:08:15.180 And so they go against the instinct for self-preservation and the instinct to avoid pain.

00:08:21.180 But in that case, they go against it in that they pervert it.

00:08:24.820 It's not like that.

00:08:25.700 Monogamy, fidelity, it goes against our instincts by reaching for something beyond instinct.

00:08:32.980 And in that way, I would argue that it is the most natural, the most human, because it's our ability to reach beyond instinct and to act according to a higher standard that makes us human.

00:08:46.960 So in pursuing this path, we really become ourselves.

00:08:54.860 It's, you know, by just having sex with random people, living a life of selfishness, you're losing your human identity and becoming this small and pathetic little thing.

00:09:06.100 I don't want to get off on a, you know, I don't want to get sidetracked here, but this is also why I find the argument against free will so completely stupid.

00:09:17.600 I mean, it's the stupidest argument that you'll hear that even very smart people will make, trying to deny free will.

00:09:24.620 I mean, what are you talking about?

00:09:25.800 It is obviously evident that we all have free will, because here's how I can prove it, okay?

00:09:31.720 I can really, really, really want to do one thing and not do that thing.

00:09:38.360 That's free will.

00:09:40.680 No other animal in the animal kingdom has that.

00:09:43.780 We are the only ones who can do that.

00:09:45.800 In the known universe, we're the only ones.

00:09:47.740 We could really have an urge to do something and yet do the opposite.

00:09:52.180 So I think when people who argue against free will, what they're really revealing about themselves is that they are total, absolute cowards and wimps, and that they, in their own lives, have never actually resisted an urge, have never exercised any self-restraint, and have therefore decided that it's impossible for everyone.

00:10:11.500 But it's not impossible.

00:10:13.020 It is possible to do.

00:10:14.180 The fact that you haven't done it just means that you're weak, but it can be done.

00:10:19.180 It can.

00:10:19.640 Many billions of people do it all the time.

00:10:23.980 So that's, you know, that's the distinction between natural and unnatural.

00:10:28.220 And I think you can see this.

00:10:29.980 I mean, talk to a couple that's been married for 50 or 60 or 70 years.

00:10:37.220 I think often what you'll find when you talk to some people like that is that they, you know, it's like they've reached a higher mode of existence.

00:10:45.820 You know, you'll find a certain peace, a certain wisdom that's grown from a life of love and devotion.

00:10:52.800 And you can contrast that with someone who's older and has gone, you know, is also older, like the old married couple.

00:11:00.720 But let's take someone who's older and has gone from marriage to marriage, lived a life of self-seeking, of self-involvement, never managed to have really a healthy, faithful relationship.

00:11:15.640 And what you'll notice about that kind of person is that they've kind of caved in on themselves and they've become like shells.

00:11:23.560 And all that was real and vital and awesomely human about them has been eaten away.

00:11:29.940 And that is what being natural has gotten.

00:11:35.040 Number two.

00:11:37.640 These days we have the idea of an open relationship or an open marriage.

00:11:44.280 And this seems to me to be a contradiction in terms.

00:11:47.480 You know, saying open marriage is like saying dry lake or something.

00:11:54.680 Now, a lake might dry out, you know, of course, but once it has dried out, it's not a lake anymore.

00:12:01.980 There's no such thing as a dry lake.

00:12:03.420 It's not a lake.

00:12:03.880 It's just a big hole in the ground.

00:12:05.880 And I think something similar is the case with an open marriage.

00:12:08.300 Now, of course, it's hard to make this case in modern times when people don't recognize that marriage has any particular definition or purpose.

00:12:17.480 And if marriage is just literally any kind of arrangement, if it's just whatever you want it to be, then marriage is nothing.

00:12:26.560 It means nothing.

00:12:28.140 By opening up the definition of something and including all definitions within it, you haven't gained a new definition.

00:12:36.260 You have just lost definition.

00:12:38.600 That was the whole argument about, that was the argument that the supporters of so-called traditional marriage have always made.

00:12:48.260 It's an argument of definite, it's an argument of logic saying, look, marriage is a certain thing, serves a certain purpose.

00:12:55.940 If you erase those lines and say, well, it's not that thing anymore, it doesn't serve that purpose anymore, then you have to come up with a new definition that can still exclude all other definitions.

00:13:11.960 Because if it's not a definition that excludes other definitions, then it's not a definition.

00:13:15.900 The problem is that the people who have advocated for this new definition of marriage, they never actually came up with a new definition.

00:13:26.500 The old definition is very simple, very straightforward.

00:13:29.420 A marriage is a lifelong commitment between a man and a woman. 0.69

00:13:34.620 That is a lifelong, fruitful commitment between a man and a woman that serves as the foundation for a family.

00:13:40.900 That's what a marriage is.

00:13:42.140 Now, you could disagree with that, but at least it is a thing.

00:13:45.600 You know what that is.

00:13:47.700 It has definition, it has purpose, it has function.

00:13:50.660 Okay.

00:13:52.220 Well, if you're coming in and saying, well, it doesn't need to be lifelong, it doesn't need to be monogamous, it doesn't need to be fruitful, it doesn't need to serve as a foundation of a family.

00:13:59.800 Well, then what is it?

00:14:01.000 What in the world is this thing now?

00:14:02.520 It just went from a thing that is a thing to a thing that's nothing.

00:14:07.320 Unless you can come up with some new debt, but no one bothered to do that.

00:14:10.360 And so now we just, all we've done is literally gotten rid of marriage, at least from a cultural standpoint and from a legal standpoint.

00:14:20.260 But the fact still remains.

00:14:22.260 Even if we don't recognize it as a culture, even if we don't recognize it legally, marriage is still marriage.

00:14:26.340 Between a man and a woman, and that part is important because one of the primary functions, I said, of a marriage is to serve as the basis for the family, and only a man and a woman can biologically create a family. 0.63

00:14:36.460 And the lifelong and monogamous part is important because that is what a family requires in order to be stable, happy, and healthy.

00:14:43.100 Now, you might say, what about polygamy? 0.64

00:14:45.860 Which obviously has plenty of historical precedent.

00:14:47.840 Well, I think polygamy is a primitive kind of arrangement that we have grown past.

00:14:54.140 I think also that polygamy could have arguably been necessary in the earlier days, the very early days of human civilization, when human beings had to do quite a lot of reproducing in order to reach stable population numbers.

00:15:07.700 But that's not the case anymore.

00:15:09.120 And anyway, polygamy, in the traditional sense, is not the same as this modern idea of an open marriage, where a spouse goes out and has sex with whoever they want just for fun, for recreation, and then comes home to their spouse and pretends that they love them.

00:15:25.280 And it also isn't the same as the modern system of marrying and divorcing a whole string of people, so at the end of your life, you have a, you know, at the end of your life, you can look back and see that you have four or five spouses, but you just had them in succession instead of all at once.

00:15:39.860 I think even the polygamists of old would have found both of those arrangements to be absurd and horrifying. 0.94

00:15:46.880 So, you know, open marriage is, it's a, you know, it's a dry lake, it's a, it's a square circle, it's a contradiction in terms.

00:15:58.260 The thing that makes, if a marriage is a marriage, if it means anything, one of the central things that make it a marriage is that it is closed.

00:16:07.680 That it is a bond between two people, man and woman, closed off from others.

00:16:13.980 It is a unique and special bond.

00:16:16.880 Three, is monogamy possible?

00:16:23.880 Is it possible or feasible to get married and stay married and remain faithful to one person for your whole life?

00:16:30.720 And for that, let me, let me offer an emphatic yes.

00:16:35.140 And this is one of the most frustrating things to me, that people who have failed in their relationships and failed in their marriages will very often argue that essentially their experience is universal.

00:16:46.880 You know, nobody can be sure in their marriage.

00:16:49.560 Nobody can rule out divorce.

00:16:52.060 That's sort of what they'll say.

00:16:54.260 That's the message that newlyweds and people who are, you know, discerning marriage, that's the message that they hear.

00:16:59.340 And they'll hear that, well, if you're happily married right now, or if you're about to get married, watch out, because it could happen to you at any time.

00:17:06.680 A divorce could just happen to you. 1.00

00:17:08.620 The end of your marriage could just happen.

00:17:10.900 Like, you could just trip into it like a puddle, right?

00:17:14.740 Like, your vows, your promises, your plans, all that really doesn't mean anything.

00:17:21.320 It's nice, but it doesn't mean anything.

00:17:25.500 This is the attitude that people seem to want young married couples to have, and I find it detestable, honestly.

00:17:31.400 I find it detestable.

00:17:35.040 Anytime I've talked about this publicly, about the issue of divorce and, you know, being faithful to your spouse and so on, or I've talked about myself and I've said, you know, been married for seven years.

00:17:46.320 I'm never going to divorce my wife.

00:17:47.700 I have had, in so many cases, I've been told by people who have been divorced and they've said, they said, well, pride comes before the fall.

00:17:56.480 What kind of thing is that to say?

00:17:58.600 You're saying it's prideful that I'm not going to divorce my wife?

00:18:01.940 I'm arrogant for that because I made a vow and I planned to stick with it.

00:18:06.480 That makes me arrogant and prideful.

00:18:09.640 What a horrible, awful thing.

00:18:11.580 Do you realize how horrible that is to say to people?

00:18:13.680 I mean, you may as well, you may as well just wish, you may as well tell them, you're going to get, I hope you get divorced one day.

00:18:21.200 That's what you're doing.

00:18:22.060 And I really think that's the case.

00:18:23.200 I think there are a lot of people who have, you know, experienced a lot of misery in their life, in their lives, much of it self-inflicted, and they really do wish it on others.

00:18:32.520 They want other people to experience it.

00:18:36.700 Well, let me say this.

00:18:38.380 That's all bull.

00:18:39.680 And if you're getting married or if you're a young married couple, don't listen to it. 0.95

00:18:44.300 Don't listen to these miserable people who would try to foist their miseries on you.

00:18:49.400 Don't listen to people who say, you know, I couldn't do this, so nobody can.

00:18:53.500 Don't listen to them.

00:18:55.640 Here's an absolute fact about marriage.

00:18:57.680 If both of you are 100% committed to it and you remain committed to it, and above all, you remain totally faithful to one another, your marriage will last as long as you live.

00:19:08.600 It's guaranteed.

00:19:10.520 All you have to do is fulfill those two things.

00:19:12.440 If both of you do, you're committed, faithful, your marriage will last.

00:19:17.100 I mean, it's really as simple as that.

00:19:20.980 It's impossible that you could both do that and complete that task on a daily basis because it is a daily thing.

00:19:26.820 If you're doing that every day, you're not going to trip and fall and end up divorced one day.

00:19:34.280 And is any of that impossible or unrealistic?

00:19:37.380 Is it impossible or unrealistic to be committed and faithful?

00:19:40.740 No, it's not only possible, but it's completely feasible.

00:19:44.180 It's not only feasible, but it's even easy.

00:19:48.120 Easy when you look at it objectively, I mean.

00:19:51.460 Easy when you look at it this way.

00:19:52.980 Okay, look at it this way.

00:19:54.780 You say to yourself, I'm married.

00:19:57.380 Okay?

00:19:58.320 I can be faithful and committed or not.

00:20:01.660 And then you think, so this is just, you're being objective, right?

00:20:07.700 I have two paths, like faithful, committed path, and then the unfaithful, non-committed path.

00:20:12.780 And then you think about where each path will take you.

00:20:17.000 The faithful and committed path is not only morally correct, but it's also way, way easier.

00:20:22.620 I mean, it's difficult in the sense that it requires sacrifice, honesty, work, and so on.

00:20:28.360 But it's easy in that it's much simpler.

00:20:30.860 It's much more peaceful.

00:20:32.020 It's much happier.

00:20:33.320 And you avoid all the complications and dramas and deceits that mark the lives of unfaithful and uncommitted people.

00:20:41.120 So, you know, in a sense, in a similar sense, you could say it's much easier to eat healthy and get exercise and live a healthy life.

00:20:53.040 It's easier.

00:20:54.060 Now, little sacrifices are required to maintain such a life.

00:20:58.240 And in the moment, like when you are choosing to have broccoli and you compare that to the choice to eat ice cream, seems like a harder choice.

00:21:08.660 And when you're going for a jog and you compare that to the choice of sitting on the couch, the jog seems like the harder choice.

00:21:16.060 But if you look at it in its totality, objectively, you see that the other option to be a lazy glutton who eats ice cream all the time and just lays around on the couch,

00:21:25.900 that will lead to huge complications down the road, all kinds of health problems, and ultimately to the biggest sacrifice of all, your life.

00:21:33.640 You're going to die.

00:21:34.320 It will kill you.

00:21:34.880 Of course, we're all going to die, but that lifestyle will kill you much sooner.

00:21:40.920 So in that sense, to eat healthy and to get exercise, it really is easier.

00:21:48.880 It makes your life a lot easier.

00:21:51.560 There's a great line at the end of Graham Greene's book, Power and the Glory, that I think I've mentioned before, one of my favorite books.

00:21:59.820 And there's a line, it's a scene where a priest is in jail, he's awaiting execution, martyrdom.

00:22:08.180 And though this priest has done a heroic thing by, in the end, sticking to his faith, even when faced with death, up until that point, he had lived a sinful life, he was a drunk, he had an illegitimate child.

00:22:19.600 And so as he was in his cell awaiting execution, Greene has this line to describe his state of mind.

00:22:25.680 The line is, it seemed to him at that moment that it would have been quite easy to have been a saint.

00:22:32.060 It would only have needed a little self-restraint and a little courage.

00:22:35.600 And I've always thought, I've always loved that line, and that whole scene, because of how deeply true it seems.

00:22:45.680 And you can really imagine yourself in a cell awaiting execution and having the exact same thought.

00:22:53.240 That really, to be a saint, to be a good person, is actually really easy when you look at it objectively.

00:23:00.300 All it requires in any given situation, most of the time, is a little bit of self-restraint, a little bit of courage, a little bit of selflessness.

00:23:09.220 99% of the moments in our lives only require the smallest little smidgen of saintliness.

00:23:16.560 99% of the time, that is all that's required.

00:23:19.580 So that to be a bad person, to live a bad life, it means that you have to consistently refuse,

00:23:26.260 even in the pettiest situations, you have to refuse to even be a little bit selfless and a little bit honest.

00:23:35.140 And you have to consistently make that refusal.

00:23:39.460 Where you see, after a while, it's almost like it requires more effort to be a bad person.

00:23:44.240 Because you have to be so consistently bad.

00:23:47.820 At a certain point, you think you just give up on it and say, fine, I'll just be a good person.

00:23:51.260 It's so much easier to just be a good person.

00:23:53.160 And I think a similar thing is the case with marriage.

00:23:58.580 Marriages most often fail because one or both people, usually both, refuse to stop being selfish for even two seconds.

00:24:09.980 That really is the truth.

00:24:11.360 I'm not saying it's the truth every time, but I think in the majority of cases,

00:24:14.920 it is what kills a marriage is consistent, unrelenting selfishness on the part of both people.

00:24:25.220 I think that being a good spouse, 99% of the time consists of very little things that are really easy.

00:24:36.180 It consists of taking the garbage out without grumbling about it or smiling at your spouse when they come home from work,

00:24:42.400 asking them how their day was.

00:24:44.320 It consists of, you know, volunteering to be the one who gets up in the middle of the night to get a drink of water for the crying kid.

00:24:49.380 That sort of stuff.

00:24:50.340 I think if in all of these really small, easy situations, if we exercise a little bit of patience, a little bit of selflessness, our marriages will be fine.

00:25:02.920 Now, there's still going to be that 1%.

00:25:04.980 There's going to be that small minority of really difficult, challenging situations.

00:25:09.540 Those moments when doing the right thing, responding the right way might require even something like heroism.

00:25:18.280 But the 99% won't require anything close to that.

00:25:22.580 And if you get into the habit of being selfless in the 99%,

00:25:26.160 then probably you'll react the right way or close to the right way when the 1% creeps up on you.

00:25:36.060 And I think that's the other thing.

00:25:39.540 That there might be plenty of marriages that appear to have ended because of some cataclysmic thing that occurred

00:25:46.940 or some great challenge that the couple faced.

00:25:51.920 And it may seem on the outside, it may even seem to them,

00:25:55.340 that this huge challenge is the thing that destroyed the marriage.

00:26:00.840 But I think probably in most cases that's not true.

00:26:03.380 I think what you'll find is that it was kind of a, that one or both of them had been in the habit for a long time leading up to that.

00:26:13.900 They've been in the habit of selfishness and pettiness and impatience and all of that.

00:26:20.340 And so there had been this kind of cumulative effect.

00:26:22.680 And then the big thing happens and it's an explosion that blows them apart because they have no stability.

00:26:31.020 They have no strength at all in their, in their marriage and in the relationship.

00:26:34.500 And so they don't have the foundations to survive this big challenge.

00:26:38.720 And also they themselves personally, because they haven't gotten into the habit of being good, you know, being a good husband or being a good wife.

00:26:47.520 When this huge challenge arises, they have no idea how to approach that in the right way.

00:26:55.620 So I think that's, that's all that's needed to be monogamous and faithful.

00:26:58.840 And, and by the way, I don't, I don't say any of this as a person, you know, I've been married for going on seven years.

00:27:06.100 So I'm hardly a marriage expert compared to someone who's been married for 30 years.

00:27:10.640 I think I'm still a novice.

00:27:12.760 And I also certainly have not mastered the art of, of doing what I would call the easy thing, you know, and, and, and being selfless and patient in the small situations.

00:27:23.620 I have not at all, I have not, I have not myself mastered the 99%.

00:27:27.440 But that's part of the reason why I know this.

00:27:34.380 Because so many times if I, you know, you know, if, if I am impatient or if I do the wrong thing in one of these small situations, you know, where there's a fight or something like that, I can look back on it later and say, what, I mean, why did I do that?

00:27:47.580 I mean, it would have been so much easier to simply do the, you know, it would have been so much easier to have a little bit of patience or to be a little bit selfless.

00:27:57.920 So that's what I would say to the emailer.

00:27:59.720 Don't, don't be afraid of, of marriage.

00:28:05.240 Don't be afraid of it, but, but be, be discerning about who you ultimately end up with.

00:28:10.660 And, and, and you do absolutely have to go into it yourself, completely ruling out the possibility of divorce, and knowing that your future spouse has also ruled out the possibility, completely ruled it out.

00:28:24.200 Um, and then at that point you, you, uh, charge out into the great unknown and see what awaits you.

00:28:39.700 All right.

00:28:41.180 Have a great weekend, everybody.

00:28:43.700 Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - September 07, 2018

Ep. 99 - Is Monogamy Unnatural？

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