The Matt Walsh Show - Friendly Fire： Bad Bunny. Bad Culture.

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00:00:13.580 It may be just this angle,

00:00:15.140 but I feel like Walsh's beard is somehow

00:00:17.280 even more beardy than usual.

00:00:19.140 It's taking over, is it?

00:00:20.520 Yeah, it's...

00:00:21.100 It looks like that guy, you turn him upside down

00:00:22.540 and it becomes his hair.

00:00:23.780 He's got like the full Michael Shannon

00:00:25.460 as James Garfield in Death by Lightning

00:00:27.500 beard going now.

00:00:29.180 It's so dark on my screen

00:00:31.320 that it looks like someone just took out

00:00:33.800 the pixels of Matt's face

00:00:35.460 into like a black abyss.

00:00:37.520 I've been trying to do that for years.

00:00:39.140 It's cold here, man.

00:00:41.380 It's cold.

00:00:46.300 Oh, we're live.

00:00:48.240 Oh, we're live?

00:00:49.040 Cool.

00:00:49.500 That's exciting.

00:00:50.740 I just hope Allie Beth isn't hearing us curse like this.

00:00:53.920 There's still gentlemen or nothing.

00:00:55.720 She is.

00:00:56.120 Look, she's naughty.

00:00:57.020 This is terrible.

00:00:58.260 It's okay.

00:00:58.620 I was about to know me long enough

00:01:00.080 to know that this is a reality.

00:01:01.840 The reality behind the scenes.

00:01:03.240 Friends are these

00:01:04.660 who needs enemies.

00:01:06.480 Friends are these

00:01:07.820 who needs enemies.

00:01:10.280 Listen, we have a lot to do today, guys.

00:01:12.240 Okay?

00:01:12.960 We need to talk about

00:01:14.260 the Spanish maxing

00:01:15.760 skirt cell

00:01:16.900 who showed up

00:01:17.940 to the Super Bowl.

00:01:18.880 And then we also have to talk about

00:01:21.180 clavicular, of course.

00:01:23.000 Then there's a topic

00:01:24.020 that all of us have touched on.

00:01:25.180 Some of us have even made big hit movies on.

00:01:27.220 There was a school shooting,

00:01:28.640 a horrible incident in Canada

00:01:30.200 where we all know exactly what happened,

00:01:32.620 but the media don't want to talk about

00:01:33.820 the thing that everybody knows happened.

00:01:35.180 And we have to talk about

00:01:38.080 the biggest news story in the country

00:01:39.540 that I know absolutely nothing about

00:01:41.360 and it's the weirdest one yet,

00:01:42.880 which is that Savannah Guthrie's mother

00:01:44.360 has been kidnapped.

00:01:45.260 So anyway,

00:01:45.700 there's a lot that we have to get to

00:01:47.660 on this very special episode

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00:01:51.240 But before we get to any of that,

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00:03:05.920 Okay, I think that's all

00:03:06.980 the English we should speak.

00:03:09.000 Absolutely.

00:03:09.760 Donde esta la biblioteca?

00:03:11.300 What did you all think

00:03:12.200 of Futbol Americano?

00:03:14.680 I want to comment first

00:03:16.280 because I have the best

00:03:17.040 comments on this.

00:03:17.780 I've heard everybody else's comments

00:03:18.900 and mine are the best.

00:03:19.700 My comment on the

00:03:20.960 Super Bowl halftime show

00:03:22.720 every year is the same.

00:03:23.700 I don't watch it.

00:03:24.880 And the reason I don't watch it,

00:03:26.220 no, you know,

00:03:26.680 I'm not absconding

00:03:28.280 from my duty.

00:03:28.960 The reason,

00:03:29.380 that is my commentary.

00:03:30.560 I don't watch it

00:03:31.480 because I feel it's a setup.

00:03:32.940 It's a setup where they put on

00:03:34.300 some stupid left-wing thing

00:03:35.820 dissing the audience

00:03:37.080 of white males,

00:03:38.400 basically,

00:03:38.860 who watch football like me.

00:03:41.000 And then we come out

00:03:42.180 and we complain about it

00:03:43.100 and we sound like

00:03:43.560 a bunch of cranks.

00:03:44.220 So I just don't watch it.

00:03:46.220 I turn it off.

00:03:47.060 I either,

00:03:47.500 I usually have dinner

00:03:48.620 with my wife.

00:03:49.240 This time I was pounding

00:03:50.740 on my grandson,

00:03:52.800 beating up my grandson

00:03:53.600 while that went on.

00:03:54.840 And then I turned

00:03:55.240 the game back on,

00:03:56.040 which is what I came there

00:03:56.780 to see.

00:03:57.480 On top of which,

00:03:58.800 I really believe

00:03:59.720 that the arts belong

00:04:00.840 to people who love them.

00:04:02.040 And I don't love popular music,

00:04:03.560 so I don't comment

00:04:04.300 on it that much.

00:04:05.400 I like,

00:04:05.800 ever since the Beatles

00:04:06.780 replaced like Frank Sinatra

00:04:08.980 singing Cole Porter songs,

00:04:10.220 I was out.

00:04:11.020 And I just continue

00:04:11.800 to remain,

00:04:12.300 I like the game of football.

00:04:13.920 I boycotted it

00:04:15.100 when they knelt at the flag.

00:04:16.280 I'm not boycotting it

00:04:17.440 over crappy music

00:04:18.260 because it's all crappy.

00:04:19.240 That was the best take?

00:04:21.620 That right there

00:04:22.280 was the best take?

00:04:23.180 You insisted on going first

00:04:25.100 so you could explain

00:04:26.040 that you don't like pop music

00:04:27.060 and that you're old?

00:04:28.760 That was the best

00:04:30.280 of all the takes?

00:04:30.820 Everybody sounds old.

00:04:31.900 Everybody sounds old

00:04:32.980 when they talk about this

00:04:34.260 on the conservative side.

00:04:35.340 I have the best take.

00:04:35.460 I have the best take on this.

00:04:36.560 Can I go?

00:04:37.640 I have the actual

00:04:38.660 best take on this

00:04:39.440 because I am mad about it.

00:04:42.420 I am grumpy about it.

00:04:43.940 No.

00:04:44.820 Shock me, Matt.

00:04:45.520 I know.

00:04:46.020 I know.

00:04:46.340 No one expects it.

00:04:47.300 Listen, I do.

00:04:48.580 It's this weird thing

00:04:49.820 that's happened

00:04:50.160 with the halftime show

00:04:50.940 this time around

00:04:51.740 which is that

00:04:52.360 the thing happened,

00:04:53.640 some conservatives

00:04:54.320 complained about it,

00:04:55.060 I think rightly so.

00:04:56.320 So there's backlash

00:04:57.140 and then there's backlash

00:04:58.040 from other conservatives

00:04:58.940 against those conservatives

00:05:00.140 saying,

00:05:00.980 well, what are you doing

00:05:01.500 complaining about it?

00:05:02.160 It doesn't matter.

00:05:03.040 Well, I kind of think like

00:05:04.100 if that doesn't matter

00:05:05.220 then what are any,

00:05:06.720 why are we talking

00:05:07.680 about anything?

00:05:08.520 Like this is one

00:05:11.000 of our preeminent

00:05:11.960 cultural events.

00:05:13.980 You know,

00:05:14.600 this is an iconic

00:05:15.420 cultural event.

00:05:16.260 It's an American event,

00:05:18.200 the Super Bowl.

00:05:19.160 I do watch the Super Bowl

00:05:20.560 and I like the NFL

00:05:21.460 because I like football.

00:05:23.120 You know,

00:05:23.320 it's an American pastime

00:05:24.980 and I don't want

00:05:25.700 to give that up.

00:05:26.440 And so when they turn

00:05:27.900 that into this celebration

00:05:30.520 of not just any foreign culture

00:05:32.460 but by the way,

00:05:32.980 a foreign culture

00:05:33.680 that has nothing to do

00:05:35.380 with football at all.

00:05:37.400 Okay?

00:05:37.640 Hispanic culture

00:05:38.560 has not contributed

00:05:39.600 to the NFL,

00:05:41.200 to American football at all.

00:05:42.580 I mean, right now

00:05:43.540 there are more Hispanics

00:05:45.180 in the NFL

00:05:45.620 than there have ever been

00:05:46.580 and there's like

00:05:47.600 one per active roster

00:05:49.680 and there's 32

00:05:50.760 on the active rosters

00:05:51.680 in the entire league

00:05:53.060 and that's at the peak.

00:05:55.040 So this is,

00:05:56.160 you might as well

00:05:56.760 have a halftime show

00:05:57.580 that's devoted

00:05:58.180 to celebrating

00:05:58.920 Norway or Vietnam

00:06:01.300 or something.

00:06:01.700 Women who represent

00:06:02.180 zero percent of the rosters.

00:06:03.840 Does anybody remember

00:06:04.920 those magnet toys

00:06:05.780 where you moved filings

00:06:07.060 to make a beard

00:06:07.680 on a guy?

00:06:08.160 I like football

00:06:13.700 and I have a beard,

00:06:14.400 you know?

00:06:15.300 It all comes together.

00:06:16.620 So my point is

00:06:17.400 that what they did

00:06:18.960 with the halftime show

00:06:19.860 I think is more

00:06:21.780 deliberately offensive,

00:06:23.440 not in the sense of like,

00:06:24.520 I'm not crying about it.

00:06:26.200 I mean like deliberately

00:06:27.520 it's meant to be offensive

00:06:29.300 to the actual fans

00:06:31.200 of the game

00:06:32.200 because it's inaccessible.

00:06:34.940 It's in a language

00:06:35.600 that we don't speak

00:06:36.740 and then on top of it,

00:06:37.820 and this is the part

00:06:38.460 that I think like

00:06:39.040 if you're a conservative

00:06:39.740 trying to take

00:06:40.900 the contrarian view,

00:06:41.980 it's actually it was good.

00:06:43.760 You know,

00:06:44.380 that's absurd

00:06:45.200 especially because

00:06:45.840 when you get to the end of it.

00:06:46.820 The actual worst take

00:06:48.300 is the one you're describing

00:06:49.300 and it was John Kasich

00:06:50.620 and there were other

00:06:51.580 squishy types

00:06:52.280 who were backing it

00:06:53.240 and it was all these

00:06:54.200 kind of like

00:06:54.720 wannabe cool,

00:06:56.360 you know,

00:06:56.900 boomer establishment

00:06:57.940 Republicans

00:06:58.360 that say,

00:06:58.680 you know,

00:06:59.260 actually what Kasich said

00:07:00.500 was actually

00:07:01.500 that was great bad bunny,

00:07:03.440 a home run grand slam

00:07:05.000 and I couldn't tell

00:07:05.680 if that was ironic

00:07:06.700 if he was throwing

00:07:07.800 some shade or no,

00:07:08.820 I think he actually

00:07:09.340 was that tone deaf

00:07:10.680 that this guy gets up there,

00:07:11.960 a Puerto Rican transvestite,

00:07:13.700 sings exclusively in Spanish,

00:07:15.300 finally at the end

00:07:16.020 he says,

00:07:16.420 God bless America

00:07:17.260 and then it says,

00:07:18.120 God bless America,

00:07:19.200 you know,

00:07:19.900 Chile,

00:07:20.700 Argentina,

00:07:22.160 Cuba,

00:07:22.900 and you think,

00:07:23.340 well you want,

00:07:24.080 at America's

00:07:24.800 preeminent sporting event,

00:07:25.960 you can't even say

00:07:27.160 God bless America

00:07:27.980 without throwing shade

00:07:28.880 at this country

00:07:29.520 that you manifestly hate

00:07:30.960 and you got John Kasich

00:07:32.440 clapping like a seal

00:07:33.500 saying,

00:07:34.200 you know,

00:07:34.460 please get another

00:07:35.140 three-pointer, fellas.

00:07:36.160 It was not just

00:07:37.820 John Kasich though,

00:07:38.620 it's easy enough,

00:07:40.080 it's not just John Kasich,

00:07:41.080 there's like plenty

00:07:42.140 of people

00:07:42.780 that are on the,

00:07:44.300 that would pretend

00:07:45.360 to be even on the far right

00:07:46.800 that have decided

00:07:47.440 that actually the halftime show

00:07:48.780 is perfectly fine.

00:07:49.880 Absolutely.

00:07:50.200 And then on top of that,

00:07:51.040 we're going to flip around

00:07:53.620 and say,

00:07:54.200 and criticize

00:07:55.080 the TPUSA halftime show.

00:07:56.680 By the way,

00:07:57.080 the TPUSA halftime show

00:07:58.400 was a huge gamble

00:07:59.680 that they took.

00:08:00.380 If they had asked me

00:08:01.020 and gotten my opinion

00:08:02.220 ahead of time,

00:08:02.880 I would have told them

00:08:03.420 don't do it

00:08:04.140 because you're,

00:08:04.660 you know,

00:08:05.000 you're counter-programming

00:08:06.420 the NFL,

00:08:07.880 the Super Bowl,

00:08:08.700 it's going to be

00:08:09.100 a huge failure.

00:08:10.040 I was wrong,

00:08:10.820 it was a huge success

00:08:11.760 and even if you don't

00:08:13.620 like Kid Rock,

00:08:14.420 even if Kid Rock

00:08:14.980 is not your jam,

00:08:16.280 well,

00:08:16.620 guess what?

00:08:16.980 The point is,

00:08:17.580 they've established this,

00:08:18.760 they got tens of millions

00:08:19.820 of viewers,

00:08:20.700 so next year,

00:08:22.020 well now it's actually

00:08:22.800 going to be appealing

00:08:23.560 potentially to some

00:08:25.160 bigger stars

00:08:26.040 because they know

00:08:26.580 they'll get a big audience,

00:08:27.940 so they've set something

00:08:29.040 up for the future

00:08:29.760 and I think in a really

00:08:30.540 smart way,

00:08:31.320 if we can't celebrate

00:08:32.340 that as conservatives,

00:08:33.540 I don't know what we're doing.

00:08:34.260 I have to say,

00:08:34.840 both those takes

00:08:36.020 were mediocre

00:08:36.580 and now here comes

00:08:38.720 the best take.

00:08:39.720 Okay, so.

00:08:40.460 Thank heavens.

00:08:41.460 I thought we were

00:08:42.380 dying here.

00:08:43.040 We were all waiting.

00:08:44.140 So I'll get to the

00:08:45.480 TPUSA event in a little bit

00:08:46.560 because I think that

00:08:47.160 the TPUSA thing

00:08:47.940 is really,

00:08:48.440 really fascinating

00:08:49.040 because on a cultural level,

00:08:51.100 I totally agree with Matt

00:08:51.980 that it was a huge success.

00:08:53.480 Obviously,

00:08:53.720 the numbers were gigantic.

00:08:54.740 There was a hunger

00:08:55.220 for something that wasn't

00:08:56.260 what was being shown

00:08:57.200 on the Super Bowl

00:08:57.980 and TPUSA proved it

00:08:59.720 on a sort of aesthetic level.

00:09:01.480 Obviously,

00:09:02.000 you hope that the future

00:09:02.800 is better than Kid Rock

00:09:04.280 who has not been

00:09:05.360 musically relevant

00:09:06.080 in my opinion ever

00:09:07.060 but certainly

00:09:07.600 for the last 20 years

00:09:08.480 and so that kind of

00:09:10.160 is what it is

00:09:10.840 but as far as

00:09:12.140 the Bad Bunny show,

00:09:13.080 so I think first of all

00:09:14.600 that the,

00:09:16.360 I want to say

00:09:17.040 a couple of things

00:09:17.700 since it's been

00:09:18.340 unmitigated

00:09:19.000 just bashing

00:09:19.980 of the Super Bowl

00:09:20.500 halftime show

00:09:21.120 and I'm happy

00:09:21.980 to join in on that

00:09:22.600 because I also despise

00:09:24.300 music that is

00:09:25.420 this music.

00:09:26.160 I will say this.

00:09:28.140 One,

00:09:28.860 everybody was upset

00:09:29.480 it was all in Spanish.

00:09:30.340 This is like the third time

00:09:31.300 I haven't understood

00:09:32.040 a word somebody said

00:09:32.860 during the Super Bowl

00:09:33.440 halftime show.

00:09:34.360 I mean,

00:09:34.660 I will freely admit

00:09:35.940 that Kendrick Lamar rapping,

00:09:37.060 I had no idea

00:09:37.720 what the hell he was saying

00:09:38.660 the entire halftime show

00:09:39.740 so the fact that it was

00:09:40.380 in Spanish

00:09:40.860 or whether it's in Ebonics

00:09:42.040 makes no difference to me.

00:09:43.480 If I don't know

00:09:44.460 what you're saying,

00:09:44.840 I don't know what you're saying.

00:09:45.760 As far as the actual

00:09:47.840 production value,

00:09:49.020 just from like a pure

00:09:49.900 production value standpoint,

00:09:51.660 it is pretty incredible

00:09:52.500 what they were able

00:09:53.000 to build on the field.

00:09:54.080 Like just from,

00:09:54.740 in terms of they built like,

00:09:56.160 out an entire sugar cane field

00:09:57.540 and then apparently

00:09:58.420 one of the glories

00:09:58.980 of Puerto Rico

00:09:59.540 failing telephone lines

00:10:00.660 and then they built

00:10:01.940 an entire casita.

00:10:03.660 Like that stuff,

00:10:05.080 honestly,

00:10:05.480 like on an aesthetic level,

00:10:06.440 that was kind of cool.

00:10:07.520 I did appreciate

00:10:08.320 that they actually held

00:10:09.100 a straight wedding

00:10:09.680 on the field,

00:10:10.960 right?

00:10:11.160 I mean,

00:10:11.320 that was,

00:10:11.800 I mean,

00:10:12.140 like that,

00:10:12.580 that's,

00:10:12.880 I like marriages.

00:10:13.460 The little marriages are good.

00:10:15.140 Exactly.

00:10:15.680 I'll take the little win.

00:10:16.340 I'll take the,

00:10:16.860 I thought it was kind of cute

00:10:17.620 when there was the kid

00:10:18.300 who was falling asleep

00:10:19.060 on the chairs

00:10:19.980 and grandpa comes over

00:10:21.700 and like picks him up.

00:10:22.460 Like that,

00:10:23.000 that's a fine,

00:10:24.080 but the part of it

00:10:24.780 that really ticks me off

00:10:25.660 and it's not even that

00:10:27.240 it's,

00:10:27.900 it's all in,

00:10:28.860 in Spanish.

00:10:29.660 Although again,

00:10:30.380 I would appreciate

00:10:31.160 if you did something

00:10:31.900 in English

00:10:32.300 because we should all

00:10:33.400 speak English.

00:10:33.820 It's America.

00:10:34.660 The part at the very end

00:10:36.300 was the tell,

00:10:37.340 right?

00:10:37.500 And this is all

00:10:38.100 a bit of gaslighting.

00:10:38.900 What is happening here

00:10:39.800 and they do it every year

00:10:40.820 and this is what Drew,

00:10:41.460 I think you were alluding to

00:10:42.320 is they do a thing,

00:10:43.760 they call it extremely important

00:10:45.040 and then when you say,

00:10:46.060 oh,

00:10:46.200 I agree,

00:10:46.600 it's important and bad.

00:10:47.760 They go,

00:10:48.260 why are you even noticing

00:10:49.160 it's not important,

00:10:50.600 right?

00:10:50.840 And,

00:10:50.980 and that's the part

00:10:51.740 that's truly galling

00:10:52.780 because at the very end

00:10:53.920 when he,

00:10:54.260 when he,

00:10:54.760 you know,

00:10:55.000 decided that he was going

00:10:55.780 to go through

00:10:56.060 every single country

00:10:57.120 in the,

00:10:57.760 in the Americas

00:10:59.080 and say we are all America

00:11:00.740 as though there's nothing

00:11:02.100 special or unique

00:11:03.100 about the country

00:11:03.760 that gave you fame,

00:11:04.860 fortune,

00:11:05.680 wealth,

00:11:06.160 the opportunity to be

00:11:07.060 on the biggest stage

00:11:07.980 that exists for any musician

00:11:09.560 and,

00:11:10.380 and somehow Peru

00:11:11.880 is getting mentioned

00:11:13.060 and,

00:11:13.560 and by the way,

00:11:14.040 it wasn't just Latino,

00:11:14.780 right?

00:11:14.920 Because you mentioned Canada.

00:11:15.860 I'm not sure what the Canadians

00:11:16.620 have to do with anything.

00:11:18.180 And he didn't mention Greenland,

00:11:18.980 I thought that was

00:11:19.500 a huge omission.

00:11:20.100 Yeah,

00:11:20.280 I know.

00:11:20.640 A huge omission.

00:11:21.780 If we're not going

00:11:22.520 to include Greenland,

00:11:23.260 what are we even doing here?

00:11:24.660 What are we even talking about?

00:11:26.000 But when he said,

00:11:26.780 you know,

00:11:26.980 we are all Americans

00:11:27.940 and we all understand,

00:11:28.980 no,

00:11:29.460 we're not like that.

00:11:30.600 We're not.

00:11:31.160 Americans means like

00:11:31.880 from the United States.

00:11:32.940 That was the part

00:11:33.680 that I found insulting

00:11:34.580 and also obviously

00:11:35.720 a way of gaslighting everybody

00:11:37.620 and driving them

00:11:38.480 half mad and crazy

00:11:40.200 and then,

00:11:40.520 and then trolling off of that.

00:11:41.800 And,

00:11:42.000 and so of course

00:11:42.460 the president sounded off

00:11:43.600 on this and said

00:11:44.580 that he didn't like it.

00:11:45.360 By the way,

00:11:46.260 one of the great things

00:11:47.600 about the Calci markets,

00:11:48.980 they're one of our sponsors,

00:11:50.020 is that you actually

00:11:50.640 can place,

00:11:51.520 you can actually predict

00:11:52.640 whether the president

00:11:53.580 is going to call out

00:11:54.920 Bad Bunny by name

00:11:55.840 this month.

00:11:56.480 That was up at like

00:11:57.300 80% right before

00:11:58.260 the Super Bowl.

00:11:58.920 That is down at like

00:11:59.860 25% right now.

00:12:02.100 But,

00:12:02.640 you know,

00:12:02.800 my overall take on it

00:12:04.060 is that,

00:12:04.380 of course,

00:12:05.020 Americans who are insulted

00:12:06.200 are right to be insulted

00:12:07.400 and the left

00:12:08.800 meant for it to be insulting.

00:12:10.660 Also,

00:12:11.300 I think that it was a,

00:12:13.000 it was a game.

00:12:13.720 It was a game.

00:12:14.180 The game was to try

00:12:14.880 and get the right

00:12:15.420 to sound off

00:12:16.220 in extremely loud fashion

00:12:17.580 about this particular thing

00:12:18.740 so then they can go back

00:12:19.800 to Latino voters particularly

00:12:21.820 and Latinos in the United States

00:12:23.580 and say,

00:12:23.960 it's not that they are upset

00:12:25.240 that they didn't get any English

00:12:26.080 or that you're equating

00:12:27.860 somehow Haiti

00:12:28.500 and the United States

00:12:29.300 as we're all Americans

00:12:30.180 or that,

00:12:31.200 what,

00:12:31.440 all those flags belong

00:12:32.620 in America

00:12:33.140 as equivalent

00:12:33.720 to the American flag?

00:12:34.940 Like,

00:12:35.720 the thing that they

00:12:37.260 really hate about you

00:12:37.880 is that you're Latino

00:12:38.380 and that's the game

00:12:39.440 the media are playing now

00:12:40.280 and they're taking

00:12:40.720 the stupidest form

00:12:41.760 of the argument

00:12:42.260 being made by the right

00:12:43.000 and of course

00:12:43.340 using it that way.

00:12:44.220 I know.

00:12:45.040 One good note,

00:12:46.640 we have to say

00:12:47.520 it was the only 20 minutes

00:12:48.640 of the show

00:12:49.740 in which Drake May

00:12:50.600 wasn't sacked

00:12:51.440 so I think that that,

00:12:52.760 you know,

00:12:52.960 that's something

00:12:53.340 we can say positive

00:12:54.080 about the performance.

00:12:54.940 I actually,

00:12:55.660 I disagree with this.

00:12:57.340 I disagree with that.

00:12:58.440 I don't think,

00:13:00.340 you know,

00:13:00.500 the idea that,

00:13:01.340 well,

00:13:01.400 they're trying to provoke

00:13:02.520 conservatives

00:13:03.080 into having some kind

00:13:04.160 of reaction

00:13:04.660 and so then the right answer

00:13:06.240 is to not,

00:13:06.780 is to not have a reaction.

00:13:07.680 I know you didn't say

00:13:08.160 that second part, Ben,

00:13:08.920 but that's the implication.

00:13:10.300 Like,

00:13:10.400 they're trying to provoke us

00:13:11.180 to react

00:13:11.700 so we look like grumpy old men

00:13:13.460 and so we should

00:13:14.480 therefore not react.

00:13:15.400 I don't think

00:13:15.840 that's the case at all.

00:13:16.780 I think the gamble,

00:13:18.180 there was a gamble

00:13:18.760 they were taking.

00:13:19.340 The gamble was that

00:13:20.180 they would just kind

00:13:21.060 of get away with it

00:13:21.600 and there wouldn't be

00:13:22.000 much of a backlash

00:13:22.700 because what has actually

00:13:26.100 been proven

00:13:26.780 is that in fact

00:13:28.360 when conservatives,

00:13:29.800 if we're like united

00:13:30.920 about something

00:13:31.700 and we all decide

00:13:33.800 basically as one voice

00:13:35.120 that we're not okay

00:13:36.660 with this,

00:13:37.100 this is not okay,

00:13:38.340 we can actually

00:13:39.700 get concessions

00:13:40.860 in the culture.

00:13:41.760 We can,

00:13:42.160 rather than abandoning

00:13:43.840 these iconic institutions

00:13:45.080 like the NFL,

00:13:45.960 an iconic American institution,

00:13:47.880 rather than abandoning it

00:13:48.900 and saying,

00:13:49.080 I'm not watching that

00:13:50.040 or I'm just going to take it

00:13:52.000 and not complain,

00:13:53.180 you can actually

00:13:53.980 extract concessions.

00:13:55.100 You can get them

00:13:55.580 to come back our way,

00:13:57.540 but that doesn't happen

00:13:58.680 if we end up fighting

00:13:59.700 with each other

00:14:00.420 and we've got people

00:14:01.600 on our own side

00:14:02.180 saying,

00:14:02.440 oh, actually this is fine.

00:14:03.640 I mean,

00:14:03.820 that happened

00:14:04.860 with the NFL, okay?

00:14:06.620 Right.

00:14:07.120 Maybe we've all noticed

00:14:08.560 that these players,

00:14:10.200 they don't kneel

00:14:10.700 during the anthem anymore,

00:14:11.660 do they?

00:14:12.120 Yeah, no, that's right.

00:14:12.900 We boycotted it.

00:14:13.900 They did that

00:14:14.680 and conservatives

00:14:15.920 unanimously were pissed

00:14:18.040 off about it,

00:14:18.780 rightly so,

00:14:19.980 and so the NFL

00:14:20.760 sent the message

00:14:21.400 to the teams,

00:14:22.140 okay, you need to have

00:14:22.660 your players stand.

00:14:23.340 We're not doing this.

00:14:24.500 I mean, famously,

00:14:25.580 But we stopped watching, Matt.

00:14:26.980 This is like crap music

00:14:28.560 that is,

00:14:28.900 you're absolutely right.

00:14:29.960 It's geared

00:14:30.480 to make us offended

00:14:32.640 and make us sound

00:14:33.420 like grumpy old men.

00:14:34.480 I think it's a great idea

00:14:35.640 to go over

00:14:36.160 and watch the TPUSA show.

00:14:37.740 I just don't watch

00:14:38.540 any of it

00:14:38.900 because I hate the music

00:14:39.880 altogether.

00:14:39.900 Well, you know,

00:14:40.300 on the point of the

00:14:40.840 TPUSA show,

00:14:41.760 look, I totally agree

00:14:42.980 with Matt.

00:14:43.260 It was a huge risk

00:14:44.580 and I had multiple fears

00:14:46.300 about the TPUSA show.

00:14:47.680 One, I thought it could flop

00:14:49.180 just because you're going

00:14:50.220 up against the NFL

00:14:51.280 and it didn't flop.

00:14:52.640 It was a huge success,

00:14:53.800 got tens of millions

00:14:54.360 of views.

00:14:54.940 It was a big, big win.

00:14:56.220 The second fear I had

00:14:57.340 was that it was going

00:14:58.160 to be a cringe fest

00:14:59.060 and, you know,

00:15:00.280 love Charlie.

00:15:02.000 Eric is a national hero.

00:15:03.700 I love our friends

00:15:04.520 at TPUSA.

00:15:05.420 They do great stuff.

00:15:06.120 They put on great shows

00:15:06.940 but I kind of thought

00:15:08.240 it was going to be

00:15:08.860 a huge cringe fest.

00:15:09.760 So I'm watching it

00:15:10.600 with, you know,

00:15:11.380 white knuckling it.

00:15:12.360 I don't know

00:15:13.020 and maybe Kid Rock

00:15:13.820 is going to be a little

00:15:14.460 over the top or whatever.

00:15:15.700 So Kid Rock comes out

00:15:16.740 and he does the thing

00:15:18.180 that we were all expecting.

00:15:19.520 Flag, pyrotechnics.

00:15:21.260 One, it was impressive

00:15:22.580 that a guy who was,

00:15:23.440 I think, 57 years old

00:15:24.800 was moving around like that.

00:15:26.200 I don't move around

00:15:26.840 like that at 35

00:15:27.640 and I didn't move around

00:15:28.440 like that at 25.

00:15:29.520 But so that was

00:15:30.520 physically impressive

00:15:31.300 but I thought,

00:15:32.100 okay, here's this song

00:15:32.780 from 1999.

00:15:34.040 We've all heard it.

00:15:34.960 I don't even really like

00:15:35.460 this song.

00:15:35.680 He's social security rock now.

00:15:37.160 He's no longer Kid Rock.

00:15:38.200 But you know,

00:15:38.760 he actually leaned into that

00:15:40.320 and I thought

00:15:40.700 this was the point where

00:15:41.800 and conservatives

00:15:43.000 are kind of dissing

00:15:43.760 some of this stuff

00:15:44.400 but I thought there was

00:15:45.960 actually real artistry.

00:15:47.480 I thought there was actually

00:15:48.040 some real beauty

00:15:49.160 in that show

00:15:49.820 because he comes out,

00:15:50.960 they say,

00:15:51.260 introducing Kid Rock

00:15:52.140 and he does the Kid Rock bit

00:15:53.720 and then it shifted

00:15:54.860 to a cello and a violin

00:15:56.560 and I thought,

00:15:57.460 okay, man,

00:15:58.420 we're in it now.

00:15:59.320 They're really catering to me

00:16:00.720 because the right

00:16:01.780 is split up between,

00:16:02.920 you know,

00:16:03.160 the like,

00:16:03.660 I want to go fishing

00:16:04.780 kind of guys

00:16:05.540 and the more like

00:16:06.380 rocky, edgy face tattoo guys

00:16:08.120 and people like us

00:16:09.680 who like classical music

00:16:10.760 and Cole Porter

00:16:11.800 and whatever

00:16:12.240 and so it's actually

00:16:13.740 kind of hard

00:16:14.220 to cater to all of them.

00:16:15.340 TPSA did that.

00:16:16.380 You had this transition

00:16:17.180 with the cello

00:16:17.980 and the violin

00:16:18.380 and then they reintroduced

00:16:20.000 Kid Rock

00:16:20.600 by his Christian name,

00:16:22.360 by, I think it's

00:16:22.820 Rob Ritchie.

00:16:23.680 I actually didn't even know

00:16:24.160 what his real name was

00:16:24.800 and they introduced him

00:16:26.120 and he did this song

00:16:27.100 Till You Can't

00:16:28.640 and it was this song

00:16:29.400 about how, you know,

00:16:30.160 you plan to go see your dad

00:16:31.300 but you get a rain check

00:16:32.200 and you can always get

00:16:33.540 a rain check

00:16:33.980 until you can't,

00:16:34.800 you know,

00:16:34.940 until he dies

00:16:35.520 and you plan to play

00:16:37.040 with your kids

00:16:37.460 or whatever

00:16:37.720 until you can't.

00:16:38.260 They're out of the house

00:16:38.760 and he added this verse

00:16:41.040 that Kid Rock himself wrote

00:16:42.500 and it was about Jesus

00:16:43.980 and even there I thought,

00:16:45.080 okay,

00:16:45.360 this could be kind of cringy,

00:16:46.880 you know,

00:16:47.180 like just Bible thumping,

00:16:49.240 you know,

00:16:49.820 low hymnody

00:16:51.180 but I thought it was

00:16:52.240 actually much tougher

00:16:53.460 than that.

00:16:54.080 It was more thoughtful

00:16:54.900 than that.

00:16:55.560 He said you can give

00:16:56.560 your life to Jesus

00:16:57.520 until you can't.

00:16:59.240 You know,

00:16:59.420 there are actually

00:16:59.820 eternal consequences

00:17:00.940 of our actions

00:17:02.220 and there was a little bit

00:17:03.680 of hellfire in there.

00:17:04.460 There was a little bit

00:17:05.000 of reality that crept in

00:17:06.780 and it had this beautiful

00:17:08.380 tie-in with Charlie,

00:17:10.320 of course,

00:17:10.800 you know,

00:17:10.940 until you can't.

00:17:11.600 We all thought we had

00:17:12.120 so much more time

00:17:12.640 with Charlie

00:17:13.020 and he struck down

00:17:14.120 in the prime of his life.

00:17:15.380 We all think we have

00:17:16.440 a big shot

00:17:17.180 in our political order

00:17:18.000 if everything's

00:17:18.740 going to go hunky-dory

00:17:19.600 until you can.

00:17:21.000 And it even showed

00:17:21.980 his evolution

00:17:22.860 as an artist

00:17:23.600 from this guy

00:17:24.540 who's like rapping

00:17:25.220 and bopping around

00:17:26.120 as a kid

00:17:26.660 to this older,

00:17:27.760 more mature feeling.

00:17:29.040 It actually really

00:17:30.040 struck a chord with me.

00:17:31.020 I don't love

00:17:31.480 modern music either

00:17:32.320 but I thought

00:17:33.200 this was a moment

00:17:33.840 where,

00:17:34.320 yeah,

00:17:34.820 conservatives had the guts

00:17:35.880 to offer an alternative

00:17:36.700 and they succeeded

00:17:38.120 in getting tens of millions

00:17:39.220 of views

00:17:39.720 but they did something

00:17:40.660 conservatives never do.

00:17:42.000 They did it

00:17:42.360 at the very least

00:17:43.380 a little bit

00:17:44.000 which is they offered

00:17:45.020 something that was

00:17:46.140 artistically interesting

00:17:47.460 and kind of bold.

00:17:49.100 Maybe I'm too

00:17:50.000 glass half full here.

00:17:51.340 By the end of it

00:17:52.120 I thought that was

00:17:52.720 actually a really

00:17:53.520 beautiful choice

00:17:54.240 and a fitting way

00:17:55.100 to end the show.

00:17:56.100 Yeah,

00:17:56.320 and then we also got

00:17:57.520 the other thing

00:17:58.200 that we're used to

00:17:58.700 from conservatives

00:17:59.480 which is

00:18:00.020 you get this huge win

00:18:01.480 this unprecedented

00:18:03.460 that you counter-program

00:18:04.600 the Super Bowl

00:18:05.260 and it pays off.

00:18:07.560 I think the biggest

00:18:08.720 top three streams

00:18:11.120 in the history

00:18:11.580 of YouTube they had

00:18:12.420 I mean it's huge

00:18:13.120 and then immediately

00:18:15.440 what do you have

00:18:16.120 on the right

00:18:16.740 which you never

00:18:17.140 have on the left

00:18:17.820 is all these

00:18:18.840 conservatives

00:18:19.280 that have to start

00:18:21.100 well you know

00:18:22.340 I don't

00:18:23.080 it seems like

00:18:24.160 that was a big win

00:18:24.880 but actually it's bad.

00:18:26.180 Let me explain

00:18:26.900 why this thing

00:18:27.700 that seems really good

00:18:29.000 is actually bad.

00:18:30.060 Let me explain

00:18:30.800 why yeah

00:18:31.580 they went out

00:18:32.020 and did something

00:18:32.560 that had a big success

00:18:33.380 but it would have been

00:18:34.060 better if they didn't

00:18:34.980 do that

00:18:35.340 or you know

00:18:36.620 having these critiques

00:18:37.540 that are totally useless

00:18:38.560 like you know

00:18:39.300 what I think

00:18:39.640 would have been better

00:18:40.180 what if they had

00:18:41.100 an even bigger star

00:18:42.240 than Kid Rock

00:18:42.940 that would have been better

00:18:43.740 oh you think

00:18:44.340 they didn't think

00:18:44.960 of that

00:18:45.340 like do you

00:18:46.300 I like

00:18:47.220 you know

00:18:47.420 I got no problem

00:18:47.940 with Kid Rock

00:18:48.400 do you think

00:18:49.440 that the people

00:18:50.040 at TPUA USA

00:18:51.100 thought that Kid Rock

00:18:52.180 is the biggest star

00:18:53.520 in the world

00:18:54.080 no but they

00:18:55.120 they wanted to put

00:18:55.940 on this show

00:18:56.580 and you get the biggest

00:18:57.820 star that you can

00:18:58.880 they're dealing

00:18:59.580 with the fact

00:19:00.120 that number one

00:19:00.680 they're TPUSA

00:19:01.320 they're seen

00:19:01.840 as a conservative

00:19:02.400 they are a conservative

00:19:03.440 organization

00:19:03.880 and so that rules

00:19:05.080 out a lot of

00:19:05.840 you know

00:19:06.220 big stars already

00:19:07.820 and then on top

00:19:08.600 of that

00:19:08.880 you have other big stars

00:19:10.100 who maybe would do it

00:19:11.500 but they're thinking

00:19:12.360 the same thing

00:19:12.840 you were thinking

00:19:13.280 Michael

00:19:14.340 this is not going

00:19:15.700 to work

00:19:16.080 you're counter programming

00:19:16.780 the Super Bowl

00:19:17.320 and so they don't want

00:19:18.260 to be

00:19:18.460 because what if you get

00:19:19.220 500,000 live viewers

00:19:20.480 or something

00:19:20.880 and then it's blamed

00:19:21.460 on you

00:19:21.960 and so you do

00:19:23.920 what you can

00:19:24.480 you put on

00:19:24.840 as good a show

00:19:25.520 as you can

00:19:26.000 you take the swing

00:19:27.100 you go for it

00:19:28.060 and then if it's a hit

00:19:29.340 like it was

00:19:30.100 now in the future

00:19:31.060 you've done something

00:19:31.700 for the long term

00:19:32.360 it just pisses me off

00:19:34.020 that for so many

00:19:34.860 conservatives

00:19:35.300 and we all know

00:19:36.180 that it's really

00:19:37.260 just competitiveness

00:19:38.960 it's like envy

00:19:39.840 it's like well

00:19:40.800 they went out

00:19:41.200 and did something

00:19:41.700 and were successful

00:19:42.300 and I wasn't a part

00:19:43.480 of it so I have to

00:19:44.140 find a reason

00:19:44.600 to pick holes in it

00:19:45.340 and I think that's

00:19:46.860 the only reason

00:19:47.340 we lose

00:19:47.760 that our celebrities

00:19:49.500 tend to be older

00:19:50.440 because if you're young

00:19:51.320 they crush your career

00:19:52.200 I mean we see

00:19:52.720 with Sydney Sweeney

00:19:53.580 she didn't need

00:19:54.200 I don't even know

00:19:54.880 what her politics are

00:19:55.820 but all she had to do

00:19:56.740 was hint that there

00:19:57.480 was MAGA

00:19:58.220 and her family

00:19:58.880 and she hasn't gotten

00:20:00.020 a good review since

00:20:00.900 she said they're making

00:20:01.540 fun of her

00:20:02.080 and all this stuff

00:20:02.640 and that's why

00:20:03.180 young people don't do it

00:20:04.080 they you know

00:20:04.780 I have seen

00:20:05.400 I have seen John Voight

00:20:06.880 probably the bravest guy

00:20:08.200 in Hollywood

00:20:08.540 I've seen him

00:20:09.320 counsel young actors

00:20:10.660 don't be doing this

00:20:12.680 don't do it

00:20:13.540 because you're not

00:20:13.960 going to get to the place

00:20:14.860 where you can do it

00:20:15.960 that doesn't happen

00:20:16.900 to left wingers

00:20:17.560 that actually is a boost up

00:20:18.900 if you come out

00:20:19.420 and curse people

00:20:19.820 speaking of the envy

00:20:21.460 that people feel

00:20:22.220 and the resentment

00:20:22.840 and the need to

00:20:23.620 I just want to put it

00:20:25.360 on the record here

00:20:26.060 they should have invited me

00:20:27.460 to play ukulele

00:20:28.240 and it was a huge

00:20:29.040 miss for TPSA

00:20:30.240 we'll move on

00:20:31.400 because there will be

00:20:32.000 a Super Bowl next year

00:20:32.980 I was watching you play ukulele

00:20:33.940 you're just watching

00:20:34.420 my YouTube videos

00:20:35.540 playing ukulele

00:20:36.180 you know one thing

00:20:36.900 you can watch right now

00:20:38.080 only

00:20:38.840 only

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00:21:57.080 what else can they watch Matt?

00:22:00.000 well also

00:22:00.900 Real History with Matt Walsh

00:22:02.180 is available on Daily Wire

00:22:03.820 you know we put out our

00:22:04.620 episode about slavery

00:22:06.780 the real history of slavery

00:22:07.820 which did really well

00:22:09.680 a lot of people are

00:22:10.240 talking about it

00:22:11.300 we have coming out

00:22:12.440 in a couple of weeks

00:22:14.020 our next episode

00:22:14.980 that I'm very excited about

00:22:16.040 because it's the real history

00:22:17.220 of the American Indian

00:22:20.020 and the actual story

00:22:21.320 of the conflict

00:22:22.000 between you know

00:22:23.460 European settlers

00:22:24.580 and then Americans

00:22:25.880 with the Native Americans

00:22:27.860 and we all know

00:22:28.740 the story that we're often told

00:22:30.800 that we're told in schools

00:22:32.060 about the smallpox blankets

00:22:33.500 and the Trail of Tears

00:22:34.880 all of that is fake

00:22:36.200 it's all a myth

00:22:36.820 and we expose that

00:22:38.240 but you gotta become a subscriber

00:22:39.400 to watch it

00:22:40.480 that's absolutely true

00:22:41.580 now what I want to do

00:22:42.540 is I want to beauty

00:22:44.080 and eloquence max

00:22:45.260 our conversation right now

00:22:46.860 and I want to have

00:22:47.880 a little John Calvin mogging

00:22:49.460 to weigh in

00:22:50.440 on the latest trend

00:22:51.740 of meth addicted

00:22:52.800 face smashers

00:22:54.260 namely my former guest

00:22:56.480 clavicular

00:22:57.300 and we should do that

00:22:58.760 with our friend

00:22:59.380 Allie Beth Stuckey

00:23:00.180 Allie hello

00:23:00.820 first of all

00:23:01.960 I just want to say

00:23:02.620 thank you for introducing me

00:23:03.760 as John Calvin

00:23:04.460 I was not expecting that

00:23:06.020 but I appreciate it

00:23:08.160 your audience probably

00:23:09.960 doesn't even know

00:23:10.640 who John Calvin is

00:23:11.720 I am like your audience's

00:23:13.100 introduction

00:23:13.680 to evangelicalism

00:23:15.760 so you are welcome

00:23:17.220 for that

00:23:18.020 you asked about someone

00:23:19.820 clavicle

00:23:20.600 clavicular

00:23:21.720 I can never

00:23:22.500 think of what his name is

00:23:23.780 because I hadn't heard of him

00:23:24.880 until I saw him go viral

00:23:25.860 on your show Michael

00:23:26.800 and I don't know

00:23:28.360 any of the words

00:23:29.040 that you said

00:23:29.660 I don't know mogging

00:23:30.800 I don't know looks

00:23:32.000 maxing

00:23:33.040 I think you said

00:23:33.620 that he's in jail

00:23:34.460 I'm going to need

00:23:36.120 to get an update

00:23:36.840 on who this person is

00:23:38.000 and why I should care

00:23:39.020 and the audience

00:23:39.800 might need that too

00:23:40.880 so clavicular

00:23:43.520 just for those

00:23:44.300 who haven't caught

00:23:45.040 my extended sit down

00:23:46.100 we're kind of joking

00:23:46.960 about him

00:23:47.340 because he uses

00:23:47.760 goofy language

00:23:48.480 and he's a 19

00:23:49.180 I think now he's 20

00:23:50.160 and he gets into

00:23:51.360 all sorts of trouble

00:23:52.040 but I actually think

00:23:53.400 he's quite an interesting

00:23:55.040 cultural figure

00:23:56.000 because he's apolitical

00:23:59.120 he was kind of mocking me

00:24:00.840 for caring at all

00:24:01.980 about politics

00:24:02.720 he said he wanted

00:24:03.660 to vote for Gavin Newsom

00:24:04.880 over J.D. Vance

00:24:06.200 because he finds

00:24:06.700 Newsom sexier

00:24:07.680 he said he doesn't care

00:24:08.860 about the transgender issue

00:24:10.080 because transvestites

00:24:11.660 are just another person

00:24:12.580 to mog

00:24:13.160 and he doesn't want

00:24:14.100 to spike his cortisol

00:24:15.060 by stressing out

00:24:16.400 about politics

00:24:17.020 and I'm sure he's joking

00:24:18.600 about some

00:24:19.580 or all of that

00:24:20.260 but there is a reason

00:24:22.120 why he's caught attention

00:24:23.140 and I think some of that

00:24:24.640 is because it's

00:24:26.280 such a swing

00:24:26.840 everything is so politicized

00:24:28.340 and he is this kind

00:24:29.720 decadent Nietzschean figure

00:24:33.020 and in many ways

00:24:34.300 it's funny he was talking

00:24:35.240 about the transvestite issue

00:24:36.800 because he himself

00:24:38.540 kind of openly embraces

00:24:40.020 a right wing form

00:24:41.640 of body dysmorphia

00:24:43.480 where he says

00:24:44.340 that all that matters

00:24:45.340 is how you look

00:24:47.120 and he brags about

00:24:48.540 how he injected himself

00:24:49.500 with illegal testosterone

00:24:50.620 starting at age 14

00:24:52.100 he made himself infertile

00:24:53.860 because of it

00:24:54.640 but he wants to look smacks

00:24:56.240 because all that matters

00:24:56.980 in this world

00:24:57.560 is appearances

00:24:58.440 so we need to be decadent

00:24:59.680 hedonistic

00:25:00.520 create our own meaning

00:25:01.760 and then basically

00:25:03.140 take a dirt nap

00:25:03.900 and turn to worm food

00:25:04.780 so the reason

00:25:05.800 that he is important

00:25:06.480 is because he has

00:25:07.060 700,000 TikTok followers

00:25:09.420 I believe

00:25:10.000 and he has

00:25:11.800 an enormous following

00:25:13.300 on kick

00:25:14.340 like his kick stream

00:25:15.660 is worth a fair bit of money

00:25:16.880 and that means

00:25:17.600 there are a bunch

00:25:18.020 of young people

00:25:18.880 who are watching

00:25:19.440 this kind of crap

00:25:20.340 and treating it

00:25:21.580 with seriousness

00:25:22.580 and again

00:25:23.180 this is a person

00:25:23.580 who says

00:25:23.900 that he takes crystal meth

00:25:24.960 in order to make sure

00:25:25.660 that he does not gain weight

00:25:26.640 and that in order

00:25:28.020 to maximize his jawline

00:25:29.220 he hits himself

00:25:29.820 in the face

00:25:30.240 with hammers

00:25:31.100 a thing he has actually

00:25:32.060 recommended to people

00:25:33.840 and Michael somehow decided

00:25:34.920 that it was important

00:25:35.480 to bring this

00:25:35.900 to the mainstream

00:25:36.400 and so now

00:25:37.860 I was clearly right

00:25:39.460 people are talking about it

00:25:40.560 that is fair

00:25:42.140 but were you the cause

00:25:43.260 or were you simply

00:25:44.000 a symptom

00:25:44.540 of the decline

00:25:45.220 of western civilization

00:25:46.220 Michael

00:25:46.620 I've been examining

00:25:47.540 my conscience

00:25:48.140 I'm not sure

00:25:49.120 he spoke

00:25:49.540 and so he was arrested

00:25:50.620 this week

00:25:51.180 because he was

00:25:51.880 carrying around

00:25:52.560 a fake ID

00:25:53.120 and he had a bunch

00:25:53.680 of drugs on him

00:25:54.460 and so he was

00:25:55.340 arrested

00:25:55.980 being underage

00:25:57.460 at a bar

00:25:57.860 and all the rest

00:25:58.560 of it

00:25:58.680 he had also gone

00:25:59.280 to a pretty

00:26:00.260 well noticed

00:26:02.220 I would say

00:26:03.960 Nazi influencer

00:26:04.880 get together

00:26:06.060 with some of our

00:26:08.700 other friends

00:26:09.100 in this arena

00:26:09.560 he's sort of

00:26:09.880 the Milo Yiannopoulos

00:26:10.900 of the future

00:26:11.500 is that what we

00:26:12.360 can say about him

00:26:13.040 he will be Milo Yiannopoulos

00:26:14.560 I don't know

00:26:14.820 if he's gay

00:26:15.220 or if he's just

00:26:15.900 you know

00:26:16.280 spending way too much

00:26:17.060 time on his beauty

00:26:17.740 regiment

00:26:18.140 you know

00:26:18.720 legitimately

00:26:19.260 I actually think

00:26:20.280 it's not a great

00:26:21.100 comparison

00:26:21.600 because Milo

00:26:22.480 whether you love him

00:26:23.080 or hate him

00:26:23.520 or feel indifferent

00:26:24.740 to him

00:26:25.160 Milo does talk

00:26:26.540 about politics

00:26:27.100 he does think

00:26:27.720 about politics

00:26:28.460 he has read

00:26:29.320 a lot of books

00:26:29.940 and clavicular

00:26:30.980 is like the opposite

00:26:32.380 clavicular is very

00:26:33.780 provocative and everything

00:26:34.900 but he assiduously

00:26:36.540 avoids anything

00:26:37.720 with real meaning

00:26:38.740 in fact

00:26:39.140 that's kind of

00:26:39.920 his pitch

00:26:40.460 to the audience

00:26:41.660 is I'm just

00:26:43.040 going to be

00:26:43.580 nothing but a

00:26:44.300 pretty face

00:26:44.960 and you know

00:26:46.500 that in itself

00:26:47.400 is kind of

00:26:48.260 meaningful I think

00:26:48.940 I only meant

00:26:49.520 in terms of

00:26:49.960 future irrelevance

00:26:50.820 I'm sorry

00:26:51.220 anyway

00:26:52.680 we have now

00:26:54.400 lectured you

00:26:55.080 about the majestic

00:26:56.260 importance of clavicular

00:26:57.460 so your thoughts

00:26:58.900 okay I still have

00:27:00.580 more questions

00:27:01.300 I know he has

00:27:01.840 a lot of followers

00:27:02.600 but it's kind of

00:27:03.420 like just following

00:27:04.480 something because

00:27:05.260 it's bizarre

00:27:05.880 and you have

00:27:06.520 that kind of

00:27:07.480 odd interest

00:27:08.460 in it

00:27:08.800 I do wonder

00:27:09.720 how much of this

00:27:10.760 is actually a

00:27:11.420 pervasive trend

00:27:12.700 among boys

00:27:13.500 I mean previously

00:27:14.380 I'm a girl mom

00:27:15.420 the concerns

00:27:16.160 that we had

00:27:16.540 for girls

00:27:16.980 is that they're

00:27:17.620 comparing themselves

00:27:18.580 to unrealistic

00:27:19.180 expectations

00:27:19.940 in magazines

00:27:20.740 and now on

00:27:21.340 social media

00:27:22.060 eating disorders

00:27:22.800 things like that

00:27:23.560 is this something

00:27:24.540 that is actually

00:27:25.580 being latched on

00:27:26.560 to by boys

00:27:27.340 who are so

00:27:28.060 obsessed with

00:27:28.520 their jawline

00:27:29.100 that they're

00:27:29.480 breaking it

00:27:30.020 with a hammer

00:27:30.540 or that they're

00:27:31.440 taking these drugs

00:27:32.200 in order to be

00:27:32.860 skinny

00:27:33.160 they want to be

00:27:34.100 empty headed

00:27:34.680 not really care

00:27:35.400 about what's

00:27:35.820 going on in the

00:27:36.620 world

00:27:36.860 like is this

00:27:37.640 something that

00:27:38.400 we should really

00:27:39.280 worry about

00:27:39.960 when it comes

00:27:40.680 to the men

00:27:42.360 that are coming

00:27:42.840 of age

00:27:43.320 yes

00:27:44.520 and the reason

00:27:45.440 why is that

00:27:46.880 and the reason

00:27:47.780 why I think

00:27:48.340 clavicular oddly

00:27:49.260 enough is an

00:27:49.820 important and

00:27:50.420 interesting figure

00:27:51.060 is that he is a

00:27:53.000 symptom specifically

00:27:54.040 of our age and

00:27:54.800 his generation

00:27:55.420 and he's an

00:27:56.200 extreme version

00:27:56.860 of it

00:27:57.220 but he was

00:27:58.940 raised entirely

00:28:00.420 on the internet

00:28:01.200 this was the

00:28:02.060 through line

00:28:02.640 that I kept

00:28:03.020 trying to poke

00:28:03.700 at and figure

00:28:05.020 out in our

00:28:05.720 long conversation

00:28:06.700 was that every

00:28:08.520 aspect of his

00:28:09.440 life from getting

00:28:10.960 the illegal drugs

00:28:11.780 when he was 14

00:28:12.340 to even coming

00:28:13.620 to the idea

00:28:14.380 that he should

00:28:15.280 be injecting

00:28:15.740 himself with

00:28:16.040 illegal drugs

00:28:16.520 to falling

00:28:17.660 into the

00:28:18.200 subcultures

00:28:18.760 that suggest

00:28:19.340 that all that

00:28:19.840 matters is how

00:28:20.360 you look

00:28:20.740 to the way

00:28:21.520 that he lives

00:28:21.960 his life

00:28:22.380 which is entirely

00:28:23.140 in a fishbowl

00:28:23.840 for live streams

00:28:24.680 the most extreme

00:28:25.820 24-7 version

00:28:26.840 of reality TV

00:28:27.600 all of it

00:28:28.740 is because he

00:28:29.580 was raised

00:28:30.160 on the internet

00:28:31.140 in a way

00:28:31.860 that none of us

00:28:32.660 were

00:28:32.920 you know I had

00:28:33.760 a computer

00:28:34.220 on the internet

00:28:34.700 since I was

00:28:35.080 five or six

00:28:35.500 years old

00:28:35.980 so even

00:28:37.400 we had some

00:28:38.440 touch of that

00:28:39.020 and this is a

00:28:39.800 completely different

00:28:40.920 level

00:28:41.260 and so

00:28:42.120 clavicular himself

00:28:43.460 creates a kind

00:28:44.620 of a hyper

00:28:45.140 reality

00:28:45.740 where it's

00:28:47.240 so meta

00:28:48.600 his political

00:28:49.740 views are

00:28:50.240 meta-political

00:28:51.080 his views of

00:28:52.060 what a man is

00:28:52.860 are kind of

00:28:53.380 meta-views

00:28:54.540 it's like this

00:28:55.340 totally abstracted

00:28:57.080 image of what

00:28:57.720 a man could be

00:28:58.540 that has nothing

00:28:59.500 to do with

00:29:00.020 fertility for

00:29:00.940 instance

00:29:01.320 virility

00:29:02.140 you know where

00:29:02.640 the word man

00:29:03.560 comes from

00:29:04.060 vir

00:29:04.360 it has nothing

00:29:05.480 to do with

00:29:05.960 actually finding

00:29:07.460 a woman

00:29:07.860 getting married

00:29:08.620 doing anything

00:29:09.500 contributing to

00:29:10.320 your community

00:29:10.840 getting a job

00:29:11.620 it's all just

00:29:12.740 appearances

00:29:13.320 without substance

00:29:14.860 beneath it

00:29:15.480 but he's aware

00:29:16.820 of that

00:29:17.180 like he'll talk

00:29:17.880 about that

00:29:18.480 in a way that

00:29:19.520 I don't know

00:29:19.960 it's a Nietzsche

00:29:21.040 for 2026

00:29:22.100 I think

00:29:22.500 yeah I think

00:29:23.260 look I think

00:29:24.280 that it's not

00:29:25.640 so much that

00:29:26.340 young men

00:29:27.120 will follow

00:29:27.760 everything that

00:29:28.720 this guy does

00:29:29.780 I mean maybe

00:29:30.200 some of them

00:29:30.580 will

00:29:30.880 but what he is

00:29:32.220 to Michael's

00:29:32.760 point I think

00:29:33.260 he's one of

00:29:33.960 the first

00:29:34.340 celebrities

00:29:34.860 of he's one

00:29:36.360 of our first

00:29:36.840 true you know

00:29:38.200 brain rot

00:29:39.020 celebrities

00:29:39.620 one of our

00:29:40.080 first true

00:29:40.680 slop celebrities

00:29:41.640 doom scroll

00:29:44.040 celebrities

00:29:44.580 in that he

00:29:45.300 doesn't

00:29:46.400 and it's a new

00:29:47.680 kind of celebrity

00:29:48.360 too we're also

00:29:48.860 dealing with

00:29:49.160 a new kind

00:29:49.960 of celebrity

00:29:50.400 a new kind

00:29:50.880 of fame

00:29:51.440 where the stars

00:29:53.460 of this generation

00:29:55.160 the generation

00:29:55.700 he's a part of

00:29:56.500 are people who

00:29:57.840 unlike previous

00:29:59.240 generations

00:29:59.660 they don't do

00:30:00.420 anything

00:30:00.860 it's like he

00:30:01.340 doesn't sing

00:30:02.040 he's not really

00:30:02.680 good at a sport

00:30:03.540 he's not an actor

00:30:04.900 he doesn't have

00:30:06.240 an art

00:30:06.760 he's not even

00:30:07.920 a compelling

00:30:08.860 charismatic figure

00:30:10.540 to Michael's point

00:30:11.420 he has nothing

00:30:11.880 to say

00:30:12.660 he doesn't have

00:30:13.700 interesting ideas

00:30:14.680 there's just like

00:30:15.560 nothing there

00:30:16.720 at all

00:30:17.460 he's just kind

00:30:18.120 of a guy

00:30:19.340 who lives

00:30:20.500 his life

00:30:21.120 on the internet

00:30:21.900 for all to see

00:30:22.660 and I think people

00:30:23.420 and it's kind

00:30:24.280 of hard to

00:30:24.860 yeah it is hard

00:30:25.820 to get inside

00:30:26.420 the mentality

00:30:26.960 of someone

00:30:27.340 who says

00:30:27.600 I think about

00:30:28.420 these streams

00:30:28.960 he's like

00:30:29.280 24 hour streams

00:30:30.500 I mean we do

00:30:31.420 streaming because

00:30:32.140 we're doing a show

00:30:32.960 we're sitting

00:30:33.380 at a desk

00:30:34.360 and it's like

00:30:34.760 hey I've got

00:30:35.240 some opinions

00:30:36.180 I want to share

00:30:36.720 with you today

00:30:37.240 here's what

00:30:37.580 the show's about

00:30:38.280 but there's a whole

00:30:39.320 other kind of

00:30:39.980 streaming where

00:30:40.780 it's just like

00:30:41.520 nothing is happening

00:30:42.400 I'm not doing

00:30:42.980 anything I have

00:30:43.580 nothing to say

00:30:44.320 I'm not going

00:30:44.960 to do anything

00:30:45.320 interesting

00:30:45.840 I'm not an

00:30:46.400 interesting person

00:30:47.160 I'm just going

00:30:48.000 to kind of like

00:30:48.520 exist for you

00:30:50.240 to watch

00:30:51.040 and there's a

00:30:52.700 whole generation

00:30:53.240 of people that

00:30:53.800 grow up on that

00:30:54.460 they just

00:30:54.780 they like to watch

00:30:55.880 other people exist

00:30:57.020 and I don't know

00:30:58.600 what to say

00:30:59.120 about that exactly

00:30:59.900 but I think it's

00:31:00.500 I don't think

00:31:00.960 it's a good thing

00:31:01.500 I don't think

00:31:01.900 it's a good thing

00:31:02.400 why is it different

00:31:03.560 though in terms

00:31:04.540 of what Michael

00:31:05.320 was talking about

00:31:06.040 why is it different

00:31:06.820 than all the stupid

00:31:07.640 crap that young

00:31:08.500 people have always

00:31:09.400 done tied pods

00:31:11.040 or whatever the

00:31:11.540 hell they were

00:31:11.940 chewing on the

00:31:12.880 other day

00:31:13.300 from eating goldfish

00:31:14.740 back in the 20s

00:31:15.740 you know I mean

00:31:16.160 people I mean

00:31:17.060 young people do

00:31:17.660 stupid stuff

00:31:18.320 and in terms of

00:31:19.240 celebrities who are

00:31:20.100 famous for being

00:31:20.780 celebrities I mean

00:31:21.680 how do we have

00:31:22.660 those for like 50

00:31:23.680 years

00:31:23.960 I think what's

00:31:24.640 different here

00:31:25.000 so Drew I do

00:31:26.680 think that there

00:31:27.200 speaks to something

00:31:27.920 different and it's

00:31:28.520 not just about the

00:31:29.180 celebrity culture

00:31:29.840 it's about the

00:31:30.340 utter nihilism

00:31:31.560 of the moment

00:31:33.360 I think that that's

00:31:34.280 that's the thing

00:31:34.800 that strikes me

00:31:35.360 about the

00:31:35.720 clavicular of it

00:31:36.440 and by the way

00:31:36.840 not just about

00:31:37.340 clavicular I think

00:31:38.080 it strikes me

00:31:38.540 about Andrew Tate

00:31:39.580 I think it strikes

00:31:40.140 me about Nick

00:31:40.500 Fuentes I think

00:31:41.100 that at the root

00:31:42.020 of a lot of

00:31:42.760 what's going on

00:31:43.340 right now is

00:31:44.580 people latching

00:31:45.780 on to the fact

00:31:46.360 that young people

00:31:47.100 particularly are

00:31:47.900 feeling unmoored

00:31:49.340 they're feeling

00:31:50.040 their civilization

00:31:50.580 has somehow

00:31:51.460 betrayed them

00:31:52.340 on the most

00:31:52.700 fundamental level

00:31:53.400 and that there

00:31:53.980 is no recipe

00:31:54.800 for success

00:31:55.400 and so the people

00:31:56.000 who are finding

00:31:56.480 success in this

00:31:57.180 moment are people

00:31:57.900 who are selling you

00:31:58.700 a black pill

00:31:59.440 in order to sell

00:32:00.040 themselves and so

00:32:01.000 what they're basically

00:32:01.500 saying is there's no

00:32:02.260 way to fix your life

00:32:02.960 your life is

00:32:03.440 tremendously meaningless

00:32:04.520 and the only way

00:32:05.860 that you're going

00:32:06.600 to see success

00:32:07.340 in anything like

00:32:08.560 what young men

00:32:09.120 want so

00:32:09.940 clavicular's real

00:32:10.920 pitch his real

00:32:11.620 pitch in the end

00:32:12.180 is you can't

00:32:13.280 get a chick

00:32:13.700 women are all

00:32:14.680 women are all

00:32:15.200 terrible

00:32:15.560 everybody is a

00:32:16.960 porn star or

00:32:18.300 unavailable or

00:32:19.500 unattailable so you

00:32:20.660 have to mog everybody

00:32:21.740 in order for you to

00:32:22.920 I believe this is his

00:32:24.300 actual theory of life

00:32:25.180 Michael if I'm not

00:32:25.840 mistaken is that

00:32:26.420 basically there's a

00:32:26.880 small percentage of

00:32:27.560 men who are going

00:32:27.920 to get all the women

00:32:28.480 so you need to be at

00:32:29.640 the top of that food

00:32:30.400 chain and the only

00:32:30.920 way to do that is

00:32:31.460 to hit yourself on

00:32:31.940 the face of the

00:32:32.380 hammer and take

00:32:32.880 crystal meth but

00:32:33.940 the promise is

00:32:34.980 basically that

00:32:35.860 civilization is so

00:32:36.680 broken that your

00:32:37.760 shortcut is abandon

00:32:39.400 everything except you

00:32:40.440 have to look as good

00:32:41.200 as you possibly can

00:32:42.060 there's no meaning

00:32:42.620 there's no happiness

00:32:43.320 there's no joy

00:32:43.980 there's no fulfillment

00:32:44.620 there's no possibility

00:32:45.720 of civilizational uplift

00:32:47.040 or change all that

00:32:48.220 there is is your looks

00:32:49.800 and if you're if you're

00:32:50.380 Andrew Tate then it's

00:32:51.460 the same sort of thing

00:32:52.160 you're going to stand

00:32:52.720 around shirtless smoking

00:32:53.700 a cigar and telling

00:32:54.420 people that all of

00:32:55.480 civilization is corrupt

00:32:56.480 and terrible which is

00:32:57.880 why you are being

00:32:58.480 targeted for your for

00:32:59.840 your truth-telling and

00:33:01.060 meanwhile the only way

00:33:01.820 to get out of there is

00:33:02.520 to sell is to spend 50

00:33:03.820 bucks a month on his

00:33:04.660 on his scam artist

00:33:06.420 university or whatever

00:33:07.560 there's a distinction

00:33:08.500 yeah I think you're

00:33:09.660 diagnosing the cultural

00:33:10.720 milieu for sure but I

00:33:11.980 think there's a

00:33:12.340 distinction between all

00:33:13.400 three of those guys I

00:33:14.680 don't think they're all

00:33:15.500 nihilists I think with

00:33:16.900 someone by the way I

00:33:17.720 will point about that

00:33:18.440 that Fuentes was

00:33:19.060 partying with with

00:33:19.780 clavicular and Tate and

00:33:20.940 I have to say that it

00:33:22.060 was the first time that I

00:33:22.820 realized that God's

00:33:23.600 justice comes in many

00:33:24.360 forms because because

00:33:25.600 Fuentes for all of our

00:33:27.560 I think merited critiques

00:33:28.440 of Nick Fuentes is

00:33:29.360 Fuentes is not a stupid

00:33:30.680 person and I think the

00:33:32.020 definition of hell is

00:33:33.200 probably being stuck in a

00:33:34.060 van listening to Kanye

00:33:35.640 West Nazi songs with

00:33:36.720 clavicular Andrew Tate and

00:33:38.720 Sneeko for Nick Fuentes

00:33:40.200 and then having to go to a

00:33:41.160 club where clavicular tries

00:33:42.640 to introduce you to

00:33:43.320 girls so so you know

00:33:44.380 everyone gets what they

00:33:45.160 deserve even even

00:33:46.120 sometimes in this life

00:33:47.080 that doesn't sound like a

00:33:48.360 good time to you Ben

00:33:49.480 that's shocking

00:33:50.160 on the distinction here

00:33:53.060 you you've you've got

00:33:54.120 Fuentes who is I don't

00:33:56.700 think he's a nihilist I

00:33:57.580 think he's a reactionary

00:33:59.400 and so I disagree I think

00:34:00.740 he's a nihilist I think

00:34:01.460 he's a nihilist

00:34:01.960 masquerading as a

00:34:03.720 reactionary

00:34:04.220 possibly he certainly

00:34:05.440 comes out of a nihilistic

00:34:06.440 sort of milieu but I

00:34:07.860 think he has at least a

00:34:09.900 somewhat coherent and

00:34:11.060 reactionary view of

00:34:12.200 politics someone like

00:34:13.280 Andrew Tate I think is a

00:34:14.220 hedonist and that's what

00:34:15.400 he's selling to people

00:34:16.180 but with clavicular I also

00:34:18.020 don't think he's selling

00:34:18.800 nihilism I think he's a

00:34:20.140 I think he's selling

00:34:20.780 vitalism you know I

00:34:22.180 think he's selling that

00:34:23.080 he's going to be the

00:34:23.780 ubermensch I mean the

00:34:24.540 way that he talks about

00:34:25.540 how people are supposed

00:34:27.220 to behave is he says

00:34:28.780 we're going to ascend or

00:34:30.200 descend so it's even

00:34:31.120 kind of the language of

00:34:32.000 the the ubermenschen and

00:34:33.260 the untermenschen and

00:34:34.600 and he says that I don't

00:34:36.100 think he sees a lack of

00:34:37.680 meaning in the world so

00:34:38.820 much as maybe there is a

00:34:40.820 lack of meaning but we're

00:34:41.800 going to create our own

00:34:43.140 meaning and the only way

00:34:43.980 you're going to do that is

00:34:45.120 by mogging people through

00:34:46.440 sheer tyranny of will and

00:34:48.080 by perfecting your

00:34:49.140 physique in some ways I

00:34:50.700 think clavicular is born

00:34:52.280 out of bronze age

00:34:53.320 pervert bronze age

00:34:54.440 pervert kind of bringing

00:34:55.740 up a Nietzsche for the

00:34:56.920 modern age so I'm not

00:34:58.000 even totally joking when

00:34:59.460 I make the Nietzsche

00:35:00.080 reference they're all

00:35:01.240 offering something a

00:35:02.240 little bit different and

00:35:03.520 I think that you know

00:35:05.100 look I'm an old stodgy

00:35:06.360 conservative I everyone

00:35:07.820 flirts they're on the

00:35:08.700 right they're on the

00:35:09.280 left they like Nietzsche

00:35:10.220 they like this they like

00:35:11.040 that me I stay pretty

00:35:12.300 consistent about it but

00:35:13.540 but that too is a

00:35:14.800 different kind of

00:35:15.860 approach so they're all

00:35:16.800 offering something and

00:35:17.720 in a time of great

00:35:18.700 political shifting and

00:35:19.880 confusion I'm really not

00:35:21.280 surprised that different

00:35:22.340 guys like that are

00:35:23.040 popping off yeah man I

00:35:27.080 was thinking about the

00:35:28.280 aspect not just of like

00:35:29.640 the mogging which I'm

00:35:30.600 still trying to understand

00:35:31.440 exactly what that is and

00:35:32.760 the looks maxing but in

00:35:34.820 particular this aspect of

00:35:36.900 being streamed all the

00:35:37.900 time and I thought about

00:35:38.720 the Truman show and the

00:35:39.760 reason why that concept is

00:35:41.080 so disturbing to us is

00:35:43.600 because he didn't know

00:35:44.580 that his life wasn't

00:35:45.560 real but in this case

00:35:47.020 this person knows that

00:35:47.940 his life is not real

00:35:49.660 because he's playing a

00:35:50.580 character all of his

00:35:51.380 friends are playing a

00:35:52.060 characters and they're

00:35:53.140 actually consenting to

00:35:54.220 that he actually is

00:35:55.320 consenting to his life

00:35:56.480 not being real and just

00:35:58.040 being a part that he is

00:35:59.240 portraying and performing

00:36:00.220 for an audience and

00:36:01.520 there's something that is

00:36:02.320 much darker about that

00:36:03.620 to me than the whole

00:36:05.020 like looks maxing

00:36:06.000 superficial part of his

00:36:08.920 worldview it's that you

00:36:10.540 actually don't care that

00:36:12.320 you are not a part of

00:36:13.600 reality and you are

00:36:14.520 curating every single

00:36:15.940 mundane moment for

00:36:18.000 something to be monetized

00:36:19.280 and for something to be

00:36:20.200 put out into the world

00:36:21.260 and you could have a

00:36:21.900 whole conversation about

00:36:22.760 family influencers and

00:36:23.800 things like that who do

00:36:25.040 the same thing but this

00:36:26.080 is that on steroids no

00:36:28.380 pun intended and that

00:36:30.420 is what is very

00:36:31.580 disturbing if other boys

00:36:33.200 latch on to something

00:36:34.080 like that the monetizing

00:36:35.760 and the like performative

00:36:37.740 aspect of reality that is

00:36:39.640 very very dark you know

00:36:42.560 that's a good point but

00:36:43.580 one thing I wanted to

00:36:44.160 mention was you know

00:36:45.820 Michael you said that

00:36:46.660 clavicular has sterilized

00:36:48.040 himself is that true

00:36:48.860 that's what he said I

00:36:50.360 don't know though and I

00:36:51.300 heard reports to the

00:36:52.120 contrary but I followed it

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00:38:42.460 Well there's also a

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00:38:44.180 next topic we have to

00:38:45.340 talk about is I guess it's

00:38:47.020 sort of in all of our

00:38:47.860 wheelhouses but only one of

00:38:48.940 us made a global hit movie

00:38:50.360 about it.

00:38:51.180 There was a shooting in

00:38:52.200 Canada awful shooting

00:38:53.740 nine people dead plus the

00:38:55.620 shooter you know bunch of

00:38:57.980 kids and then some people

00:38:58.920 who were next door and if

00:39:01.120 you read the Canadian media

00:39:02.120 reports about this they

00:39:03.660 just have no idea what the

00:39:04.940 motive could be if you

00:39:06.260 listen to the authorities

00:39:07.280 the Mounties are saying

00:39:08.420 not only that they don't

00:39:09.780 know the motive but hours

00:39:11.180 after the shooting they

00:39:12.180 said we will probably never

00:39:14.440 know the motive of the

00:39:15.900 shooter so right off that

00:39:17.580 sets off your bells and

00:39:18.480 you say all right let me

00:39:18.920 Google this for three

00:39:19.640 seconds or actually look on

00:39:21.180 X you're not going to find

00:39:22.140 it on Google you'll find it

00:39:22.920 on X with citizen

00:39:24.080 journalists and what do you

00:39:25.860 know the reports that we

00:39:27.660 have right now again maybe

00:39:28.720 it's changing in real time

00:39:29.520 but from everything we

00:39:30.340 know it is the sort of

00:39:32.580 person that you most expect

00:39:34.460 Matt yeah well and we

00:39:37.320 expect it for a reason I

00:39:38.460 mean this is the thing we

00:39:39.580 have to realize that you

00:39:41.880 know I think if we look if

00:39:43.680 we look at the data trans

00:39:45.720 people account for more

00:39:48.340 mass shootings than anyone

00:39:49.360 per capita over the last

00:39:50.940 couple of years I don't

00:39:51.600 even think it's close and

00:39:53.140 there's a reason for that I

00:39:54.120 mean by definition if you

00:39:56.020 are trans identified person

00:39:57.520 then you are divorced from

00:39:59.480 reality by definition number

00:40:00.920 one number two you're

00:40:03.720 radicalized because because

00:40:06.380 trans ideology is a is a

00:40:08.660 radical ideology so we know

00:40:10.700 we know those two things

00:40:11.620 going in and then number

00:40:12.800 three you know I've said

00:40:14.500 many times and I think it's

00:40:17.000 true that the trend that

00:40:18.640 trans ideology is basically

00:40:20.180 defeated at a cultural and

00:40:22.720 political level which I think

00:40:24.120 that it is now the fight

00:40:25.380 continues it's not like we

00:40:26.540 can just put our feet up at

00:40:27.820 the desk and and and call

00:40:30.000 it a day but it's basically

00:40:31.560 defeated at those two

00:40:32.380 levels but what that means

00:40:33.560 is that actually that's

00:40:35.620 going to make trans

00:40:36.440 identified people

00:40:37.260 potentially an even greater

00:40:38.260 threat going forward

00:40:39.220 because now you've got a lot

00:40:42.060 of people that were sold a

00:40:43.100 lie and and now they're

00:40:46.020 starting to realize that it

00:40:47.000 was a lie and and and

00:40:48.920 society has moved on from

00:40:50.920 them and now on top of

00:40:53.040 everything else on top of

00:40:53.940 being radicalized being

00:40:55.580 self-destructive by

00:40:56.580 definition being confused

00:40:58.700 they're now they're feeling

00:41:00.260 humiliated and betrayed and

00:41:02.260 you know left behind and I

00:41:04.680 think we're going to see

00:41:05.160 more and more people

00:41:05.840 lashing out violently and

00:41:07.660 unfortunately you know it's

00:41:09.540 only going to get worse from

00:41:10.540 from here I have to say I

00:41:12.080 want to go back to

00:41:12.780 something link this back to

00:41:14.160 something Ben was talking

00:41:15.120 about when Ben was

00:41:16.260 describing why nihilism is

00:41:18.680 attractive to people he was

00:41:20.460 talking about their sense that

00:41:21.460 the that the civilization has

00:41:24.100 betrayed them that there's

00:41:24.940 nothing they can get out

00:41:25.780 there's no path to

00:41:26.500 happiness there's no path to

00:41:28.020 success I think a lot of

00:41:29.220 that stuff is true and you

00:41:30.940 know I think and their sense

00:41:32.940 that is it's worse than it's

00:41:34.340 been I think is is actually

00:41:36.160 true and the sense that they

00:41:37.480 were never given a sort of

00:41:39.160 spiritual target to

00:41:40.440 something an inner identity

00:41:42.520 that they could move toward

00:41:43.900 that is not you know who they

00:41:45.100 are they've been told that

00:41:46.120 their identity is their race or

00:41:47.520 their sexuality instead of that

00:41:49.120 person that we all know that

00:41:50.160 we should be but we're not

00:41:51.540 that kind of God made person

00:41:53.340 that we have to become and

00:41:54.480 work to become and I think a

00:41:56.060 lot of this links into that

00:41:57.480 and I and I think that you

00:41:58.900 know we're in a transitional

00:42:00.220 period and transitional periods

00:42:01.880 feel like that especially when

00:42:03.660 we have a journalistic class

00:42:04.860 that no history to in the mind

00:42:06.800 of a journalist is Rome fell

00:42:08.780 and then Hitler came those are

00:42:09.920 the two things they know

00:42:10.720 happened in history so

00:42:11.740 whenever so there's a

00:42:13.320 transitional moment it must be

00:42:14.660 right before you know the

00:42:16.020 Caesar or Hitler or some some

00:42:18.300 journalists know that there

00:42:19.200 were two falls of Rome the

00:42:20.460 Republic and then the Empire

00:42:21.520 so there might be a thousand

00:42:22.620 years of darkness brought on by

00:42:23.920 the Catholic Church this is the

00:42:24.860 other thing that the the

00:42:26.220 journalists know but I think

00:42:27.860 you know so much of this

00:42:30.380 transgender stuff it's it does

00:42:33.060 speak to something in a

00:42:34.900 society that's not having

00:42:36.060 babies in a society that feels

00:42:37.800 that you know what are women

00:42:38.840 they can't not only do they

00:42:40.180 not know what what a woman is

00:42:42.280 they don't know what a woman is

00:42:43.700 for women themselves don't know

00:42:45.480 what they're for you know what

00:42:47.200 what matters about them what

00:42:48.560 makes them so important what

00:42:49.720 makes them precious in a

00:42:51.400 civilization so all of that

00:42:53.180 stuff is true I think and the

00:42:54.700 question is who is going to

00:42:55.780 come forward and by the way I

00:42:57.360 think the answer is us but who

00:42:59.260 is going to come forward with a

00:43:00.780 vision of the future where we get

00:43:02.640 back get it through this

00:43:04.280 transition without destroying

00:43:05.740 ourselves and without destroying

00:43:07.100 everything that we hold dear

00:43:08.640 which namely is freedom and life

00:43:10.920 and God you know I don't that

00:43:12.820 that's the issue on the table

00:43:14.640 and when I see a thing like this

00:43:16.280 where they don't tell you it's

00:43:17.980 it's not the press on this in

00:43:19.620 this case it's the police who

00:43:20.800 aren't telling people that this

00:43:22.240 is a transgender person and when

00:43:24.660 they just like they did in

00:43:25.720 Nashville in the Nashville

00:43:26.780 Christian school shooting they

00:43:28.720 just held it back that that

00:43:31.120 lying is at the heart of this

00:43:34.700 disillusionment that you see in

00:43:36.100 the young and I think that truth

00:43:37.920 and telling the truth even if you

00:43:39.760 get accused of being a bigot or

00:43:41.340 whatever is is our first step in

00:43:44.640 winning people back well you

00:43:45.860 know internet has has made so

00:43:47.520 much of this possible and

00:43:48.780 prevalent I mean some of the

00:43:49.600 information that seems to be

00:43:50.580 leaking out about this

00:43:51.400 particular shooter is that he

00:43:52.460 may have been trans radicalized

00:43:53.840 at the age of 15 by people who

00:43:55.760 are on message boards and and

00:43:57.320 this goes back to something you

00:43:58.400 were saying Michael which is

00:43:59.280 that when people spend their

00:44:00.060 entire lives online it really

00:44:01.520 does wreck your brain our brains

00:44:02.840 were not built for this and we

00:44:04.000 built an entire system that

00:44:05.240 people have created as a

00:44:06.420 virtual reality and you find

00:44:07.960 echo chambers of people who are

00:44:09.420 willing to say back to you

00:44:10.800 things that are utterly false

00:44:11.960 and to encourage you down

00:44:13.060 paths that are really quite

00:44:14.640 dark either for their own sick

00:44:15.820 pleasure or because they

00:44:16.600 themselves don't know which

00:44:18.000 paths to take you drew I will

00:44:19.800 say that I think that the myth

00:44:21.200 that people don't have choice in

00:44:22.680 a way that they they had choice

00:44:23.840 in the past I think that is a

00:44:24.960 myth but I think it is a

00:44:25.800 pervasive myth because people

00:44:27.180 that the feelings are real the

00:44:28.580 feelings of lack of choice are

00:44:29.760 real I'll say the lack of

00:44:30.980 choice itself is not real I

00:44:32.220 think people do have choice but I

00:44:33.540 think that the the feeling of a

00:44:34.920 lack of choice has become all

00:44:36.240 pervasive and some of that has

00:44:37.720 actually been spurred by in some

00:44:40.220 ways the the economic prevalence

00:44:41.980 that we see around us I mean

00:44:43.180 there's a there's a fascinating

00:44:44.400 section in Dostoevsky's notes

00:44:46.360 from the underground in which the

00:44:48.440 he the narrator is talking and he

00:44:50.060 says you know there may come a

00:44:51.740 point where amidst plenty amidst

00:44:53.400 like things going really well a man

00:44:54.940 steps forward with arms akimbo and

00:44:57.020 says that we should just tear

00:44:58.700 everything around us down because

00:45:00.120 we have no choice we must exercise

00:45:01.560 our choice and better we should

00:45:02.600 exercise our choice to destroy

00:45:03.760 things than that we should have no

00:45:05.300 choice in a civilization in which

00:45:06.840 everything around us is built and I

00:45:08.800 think you're seeing that I think

00:45:09.700 that the choices that you're

00:45:10.920 talking about Drew which are still

00:45:12.520 in the hands of individuals we've

00:45:13.620 been told you can't make that

00:45:14.660 choice I don't like when

00:45:15.440 politicians do it I think

00:45:17.180 politicians do it all the time I

00:45:18.540 think commentators do it a lot

00:45:19.560 too the biggest choices we make in

00:45:21.160 life the really important ones like

00:45:23.040 should I get married should I have

00:45:25.220 kids should I join a church take

00:45:26.940 those those three let's take those

00:45:28.480 three as a start all three of those

00:45:30.520 are available to you the idea that

00:45:32.220 these are unavailable to you in a

00:45:33.480 way that they've never been

00:45:34.340 unavailable to anyone in history is

00:45:36.880 a lie but when enough people start

00:45:37.980 to believe that then you have a

00:45:38.960 network of fact of people who stop

00:45:40.720 associating with with each other

00:45:42.120 stop going to church because no

00:45:43.220 one's why do you go to church

00:45:43.960 there's no one else there stop

00:45:45.140 dating because no one else is

00:45:46.500 dating and nobody's nobody's

00:45:48.000 meeting each other and and that all

00:45:49.740 breaks down into this sort of

00:45:51.160 bizarre atomistic individualism that

00:45:53.780 eventually results in people with

00:45:55.720 fragmented psyches and I think

00:45:57.140 that's incredibly dangerous there is a

00:45:59.140 difference I completely agree that

00:46:00.680 there's oh first of all there's

00:46:01.640 always a choice but you're making

00:46:03.380 the choice in a in a situation where

00:46:05.960 the powers that be are against you

00:46:08.200 which was not true that's for you and

00:46:10.320 me and for you and me you know you

00:46:11.880 joined the church everybody was like

00:46:13.060 hooray you're in a church we have a

00:46:14.580 place for you you're part of a bigger

00:46:16.000 community I think in this moment

00:46:17.720 people feel that the great weight of

00:46:21.000 the culture comes down on their heads

00:46:22.340 now look people have to have courage

00:46:24.320 that's just a fact of life you have to

00:46:26.020 have courage to live well you have to

00:46:27.460 have courage to live free and and so

00:46:29.260 I'm not accepting the whining part of

00:46:31.720 this but the sense that they've been

00:46:33.200 betrayed by the power the people in

00:46:35.480 power the people who have the power I

00:46:37.760 think there's a certain veracity to

00:46:39.760 that I think when they're closing your

00:46:41.400 churches but encouraging people to

00:46:43.140 riot and then telling you that the

00:46:44.420 riots are mostly peaceful I think a

00:46:46.720 sense of betrayal as a reality to it

00:46:49.340 you know listen I'm not in favor of

00:46:50.840 whining I'm just in favor of seeing

00:46:52.620 what what's there Ben mentioned

00:46:54.140 fragmented psyches the only person on

00:46:56.140 this panel who doesn't have a

00:46:57.640 fragmented psyche is Allie who is the

00:46:59.980 only person who hasn't weighed in on

00:47:01.320 this Allie were you surprised by the

00:47:03.940 reports of the shooting yeah a couple

00:47:06.560 of thoughts talking about a

00:47:07.520 fragmented psyche there is this great

00:47:09.420 book by Nancy Piercy called love thy

00:47:11.200 body if y'all have not read it you

00:47:12.800 should and she talks about this

00:47:13.980 concept of dualism the separation of

00:47:15.940 the spirit from the body and this idea

00:47:18.640 that who you identify as on the inside

00:47:21.780 your spirit identity is stronger than

00:47:24.520 physical reality and she talks about

00:47:26.240 the purpose of or the importance of

00:47:28.980 understanding your telos or your

00:47:30.800 purpose and that I think Clavin what

00:47:33.340 you were talking about is what we've

00:47:34.620 really lost sight of not just who we are

00:47:37.020 and what we do but our purpose why we

00:47:39.960 are here you mentioned that women have

00:47:41.680 forgotten what we are for and I think

00:47:43.800 the same is true of men whether you're

00:47:46.520 talking about this guy who spends his

00:47:48.220 whole life streaming and trying to look a

00:47:49.920 particular way he doesn't realize what

00:47:52.100 men are for you are not just supposed to

00:47:54.620 perform or consume it's not even just

00:47:57.180 about what you produce there is a purpose

00:47:59.640 in masculinity and being able to procreate

00:48:02.340 and being able to protect and being able

00:48:04.260 to work hard there is a purpose in

00:48:06.440 womanhood and being a female that a man

00:48:09.140 can never fulfill but when we have kind

00:48:12.200 of elevated these two values of autonomy

00:48:15.160 and authenticity and we have decided that

00:48:17.560 those are the two highest things that we

00:48:20.680 can achieve and the two highest goals

00:48:22.620 that we can attain to well then you do

00:48:25.120 have this identity crisis then you are

00:48:27.040 trying to find worth and meaning and

00:48:28.620 value in all of the wrong places and then

00:48:31.080 you have someone like this who not only

00:48:32.980 convinces himself that he is a woman but

00:48:34.900 also convinces himself that he is

00:48:36.520 completely justified and taking vengeance

00:48:38.720 against the people in society and family

00:48:40.700 who have done him wrong it really all goes

00:48:43.840 back to an understanding of the self and

00:48:46.440 not just who we are and who made us of

00:48:48.100 course I believe that's really important

00:48:49.440 but what we're for and and why we're

00:48:52.340 here so anyway that's my long-winded way

00:48:54.740 of saying I agree with you well this is

00:48:57.280 a great point you know it does go back

00:48:59.320 to the man that drew calls uncle

00:49:00.820 aristotle because the way aristotle saw

00:49:03.140 the world was through four causes the

00:49:04.960 material cause the formal cause the

00:49:06.780 efficient cause and the final cause and

00:49:08.860 you know we don't need to get into like

00:49:10.000 all of those things but the final cause

00:49:11.960 is like what the thing is for like what

00:49:14.140 its purpose is and I think if you were to

00:49:15.940 present that to most people today even on

00:49:17.900 the right they would be drooling and

00:49:19.300 scratching their heads the idea that we

00:49:21.160 can know from a thing that it's like for

00:49:23.080 something like the leftist tears tumbler

00:49:24.800 is for the leftist tears or the cigars for

00:49:27.380 smoking and they don't really seem to get

00:49:29.420 that now it led to this confusion of the

00:49:31.380 transgender movement which I thought was

00:49:33.380 kind of over but then you're still seeing

00:49:35.620 these spurts of it you get Gavin Newsom

00:49:37.580 saying I want to see more trans kids

00:49:38.780 Ali did you see Andy Beshear the it was

00:49:41.000 going viral I don't know if it was a recent

00:49:42.260 interview Andy Beshear comes out and he's

00:49:44.460 promoting the trans kids again in the year

00:49:47.320 of our Lord 2026 he said the gospel supports

00:49:50.600 them yes do you see that as a as a bible

00:49:54.800 believing Christian what's your take on

00:49:56.360 that this is the only downside to not

00:49:59.320 having a pope because I wish that I were

00:50:02.600 the Protestant pope so I could excommunicate

00:50:05.300 Andy Beshear and all of these people who

00:50:07.360 identify as evangelicals who claim that

00:50:10.360 loving your neighbor is legally allowing a

00:50:13.220 child to be brutalized because they've been

00:50:14.940 told that they are born in the wrong body

00:50:16.840 of course we don't actually know what Andy

00:50:19.180 Beshear believes because a lot of

00:50:20.820 progressives will say that they follow

00:50:22.900 Jesus just by loving their neighbor but

00:50:24.880 they identify love how the secular

00:50:26.920 progressives identify love which is just

00:50:28.740 the affirmation of sin that's why I wrote

00:50:31.320 a whole book on this toxic empathy they

00:50:33.220 exploit your compassion by telling you that

00:50:36.680 you can only be a good person by affirming

00:50:38.640 these destructive policies and validating

00:50:41.360 lies and affirming sin or else you're not

00:50:44.280 compassionate you're not loving you're not

00:50:45.700 empathetic and that's exactly what he's

00:50:47.340 doing here he is emotionally extorting you

00:50:49.460 he's religiously extorting you Gavin Newsom

00:50:51.940 does the same thing a lot of these leftists

00:50:54.080 who suddenly identify as Christians Hillary

00:50:56.600 Clinton they're all doing the same thing

00:50:58.660 saying well Christians like me know what

00:51:01.220 Jesus really meant when he said love your

00:51:03.600 neighbor and what he really meant is that

00:51:05.580 you should allow a child to be chemically

00:51:07.500 castrated because they've been told that

00:51:09.480 they can switch sexes and so it's the same

00:51:11.960 thing that they do with immigration they

00:51:13.740 do the same thing with abortion they do

00:51:15.420 the same thing with the definition of

00:51:17.380 marriage they say Christians have always

00:51:19.400 believed this and here's why when you

00:51:21.560 push back against them suddenly you're the

00:51:23.080 bigot when we're just echoing what Jesus

00:51:24.800 said 2,000 years ago you know I think we

00:51:28.740 have we actually we four have the power to

00:51:30.700 elect Ali Beth the Pope of the Protestants

00:51:32.980 yeah I believe that's legally in our

00:51:34.960 can we do that right now and Andy Beshear

00:51:39.460 is absolutely of course going to run for

00:51:41.360 president according to our sponsors over

00:51:42.900 at Calci 80 percent shot that he runs for

00:51:44.940 president in 2020 I don't know why he

00:51:46.620 thinks that he's going to get anywhere in

00:51:48.660 in those primaries he's second only to our

00:51:51.380 old friend Gavin Newsom in in that in that

00:51:53.660 betting market by the way but you know one

00:51:55.580 of the things that I think is fascinating

00:51:57.260 about all of this and Drew you brought this

00:51:59.160 up and Ali Beth you were saying it as well

00:52:00.880 the you know we've been focusing a lot on

00:52:03.780 young men like what's wrong with young

00:52:05.080 men and one of the things that you'll

00:52:06.620 constantly hear from young men particularly

00:52:08.540 is I can't find a girl it's hard for me

00:52:10.160 to find a girl there the the women of the

00:52:12.160 past just aren't there anymore and this

00:52:13.900 is one that I just statistically speaking

00:52:16.260 it is more true than many of the other

00:52:17.620 complaints that are out there because when

00:52:19.380 you look at the polling data right now

00:52:20.700 women for example are saying that they

00:52:22.360 want to have kids at a lower rate than men

00:52:24.380 do which is historically not only an

00:52:27.300 aberration or an outlier it is an extreme

00:52:29.180 outlier it's totally insane and and when

00:52:31.780 you have a women who don't know that a

00:52:35.260 defining characteristic of being a woman

00:52:36.620 is is the ability to have children that

00:52:38.380 this is in fact the reason for the the

00:52:40.800 actual biological the answer to Matt's

00:52:43.160 question what is a woman is a large egg

00:52:46.480 producing it is a large gamete producing

00:52:49.460 specimen of the human species right it's

00:52:52.120 this is actually how you define biological

00:52:54.380 sex is by the type of reproductive material

00:52:56.760 produced men are small gamete producing

00:52:58.640 sperm women speak for yourself speak for

00:53:01.180 yourself small gametes all right but this

00:53:04.080 is but but the fact that that women have

00:53:06.200 taken this and they've put it to the side

00:53:08.180 of course men think that they can be women

00:53:10.420 or women can be men because if you take

00:53:11.600 away literally the most distinctive part of

00:53:14.140 human existence in life and then you say

00:53:16.900 that it's completely irrelevant then what

00:53:18.920 you're going to get is men either wanting

00:53:20.560 to be women or just to exploit women and

00:53:23.180 treat women as though women are men right

00:53:25.240 and and treat women as though and and this is

00:53:27.400 one of the I think fundamental characteristics

00:53:28.960 that maybe old-fashioned men like I think

00:53:30.840 all four of us who are who are men here on

00:53:33.040 the panel like we we see women as things to

00:53:35.440 be treasured and protected but if women see

00:53:37.740 themselves as just men with different frames

00:53:40.960 then you can see why terrible toxic men would

00:53:45.560 actually treat women like they treat men right

00:53:47.840 right as just a as as though you know you go to

00:53:51.100 the bar and you treat a woman the same way that

00:53:52.740 you treat a dude and it's it's you know that

00:53:54.660 that is a fundamental break that I think has not

00:53:57.180 been rectified yet yes you know women will

00:53:59.420 never frame mog men because women have smaller

00:54:01.900 frames and that's just a fact of biology you know and

00:54:04.600 if you want to knowledge max you have to

00:54:05.820 acknowledge that Ali wonderful as always to

00:54:08.660 see you thank you for degrading yourself by

00:54:11.220 joining us yeah I'm sorry for you and for your

00:54:14.320 dignity yes but I'm very pleased for us that you

00:54:16.960 would you would join us here elevated us I think

00:54:19.420 that was the important without question by the

00:54:21.380 way if you want more Ali Stuckey and who doesn't

00:54:23.500 want more Ali Stuckey you can go catch her at the

00:54:26.700 share the arrows Christian women's conference

00:54:29.440 they didn't invite me tickets go on sale tomorrow

00:54:31.700 had 7,000 women there last year and now it could

00:54:36.220 be 7,001 if you show up share the arrows.com

00:54:39.020 also Ali's gonna be moderating the Texas

00:54:40.640 Republican Attorney General debate next Tuesday

00:54:44.140 a woman of many talents and many interests

00:54:46.480 okay now what I want to talk about and I know

00:54:49.600 what you want to know about is the most

00:54:52.180 tantalizing bizarre story in the country right

00:54:54.700 now which is that Savannah Guthrie the the like

00:54:58.680 today show lady her mother was kidnapped and no

00:55:01.300 one seems to know anything about it and then

00:55:02.680 they said they think they found the guy but then

00:55:04.000 they didn't find the guy and then so I know I

00:55:05.920 really really want to get into that and I want

00:55:08.260 you to hear about it but you can't unless you

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