On today's show, Ben, Drew, and Matt are joined by special guest Michael Moles (The Office) to discuss the recent ICE raid on a Minnesota ICE building and the fallout. Plus, the boys talk about the snowstorm that has paralyzed much of the country, and what they are thankful for.
00:05:08.560And I just thought, man, you guys have, you just don't understand reality at all.
00:05:13.220You don't understand that their consequences follow from actions.
00:05:16.920I have the Andrew Breitbart question here. I don't mean to be cruel. It's tragic the guy was killed. But so what? Let's say you examine this film from every possible angle, and it turns out the ICE agent was in the wrong. Does that mean we shouldn't deport people who are here illegally?
00:05:33.340I mean, they're here illegally. ICE is there to get rid of people who are here illegally. No one is above the law, as we know, because they were charging Trump with, like, you know, littering and sending him away for planning to send him away for life.
00:05:45.480So what difference does it make? I mean, let's say it was a bad shooting. They're just enforcing the law.
00:05:50.100Why are these people who are organized by Marxist, you know, thugs all around the country and taking, like, nine counties out of all the counties in America and turning them into battle zones? Why are they justified by a bad shooting?
00:06:02.440I don't think there's also a question. I'm not saying it was a bad shooting, but even if it was, who cares?
00:06:06.580On your point, Drew, so was it a bad shooting or not? Because there's all this stuff and a lot of misinformation going around the Internet.
00:06:11.980One of the questions was, well, maybe he had been disarmed before the ICE agent shot.
00:06:18.420And but even in that case, would it necessarily have been an unjustified shooting?
00:06:24.280Only one of us went to Harvard Law School. I'm loathe to turn to him for an answer on this.
00:06:28.120But then is there any does that mean it's a bad shooting? The cops got to go to jail or something?
00:06:32.340I mean, so not necessarily. So the basic legal standard is the same in all of these cases, which is does a reasonable officer believe that he's an eminent threat of grave physical harm?
00:06:41.120And so the question becomes, did the officer who shot him know that he had been disarmed?
00:06:45.880Because there's this kind of scrum. And then you can see that the gun appears to be removed by one of the agents, but not the agent who shot him.
00:06:51.820And then somebody yells gun. And there may, in fact, be an accidental gunshot, an accidental discharge from Freddie's gun by the officer or the gun just went off.
00:07:00.800So if you're an officer and you're standing there and you hear someone yell gun and then a shot goes off and you don't know that the gun has been removed from the guy,
00:07:07.780then you absolutely could fear for your life. You could fear imminent threat of grave physical harm.
00:07:12.780And so the shoot could absolutely be good. That's typically why you have full investigations under under these circumstances.
00:07:17.840You know, as to Drew's question as to why this shapes the underlying sort of policy, the answer is that it doesn't.
00:07:24.040But this has been a chaos operation from the beginning for Democrats in an attempt to obstruct federal law.
00:07:28.640I mean, that's really what this is. This has been driven by Democrats from the very start.
00:07:31.840The idea is that enforcement of federal law is some sort of grave sin. And you can see it in the statistics.
00:07:37.100So very early on, the administration was deporting nearly all criminally legal immigrants because they were starting in red states and they're working with cooperative precincts.
00:07:45.720And they're going to jails and taking people who are criminals and then deporting them.
00:07:48.740And then all of the Democrats decided they were going to obstruct that. And now ICE still has a job, which is to deport people.
00:07:54.480And so the people they're deporting are not getting they're not getting them from jails. Right.
00:07:58.840They're actually going to the streets. They're having to, like, round people up.
00:08:01.580And when they do that, the percentage of criminal illegal immigrants, I mean, they're all criminals, but people who have committed independent crime aside from being an illegal immigrant, that percentage has dropped from something like 87 percent early on to about 50 percent today.
00:08:14.100And it's going down pretty rapidly. That's because of sanctuary city status. It's because of sanctuary state status.
00:08:19.240And so what that means is here's the thing. Americans don't like ugly pictures on their TV.
00:08:23.500This is one of the great problems with media generally is that there's greater information that's wonderful.
00:08:27.920But the ubiquity of ugly pictures on your TV makes it nearly impossible to do the things that have to be done in ugly areas.
00:08:33.900And that's true when it comes to military operations. And it's true when it comes to policing.
00:08:37.300And it's true when it comes to the craziest part. So the craziest part on the ugly pictures, I didn't think this was real.
00:08:42.520I had to go back to the tape and check it 10 different times.
00:08:45.960They so the the guy in this case, his name is Alex Priddy.
00:08:49.400And we have an expression. We who like the Latin language, nomen est omen.
00:08:55.560And so and the guy is not to beat up on the dead. He isn't all that pretty.
00:09:04.080They ran with an AI generated picture to make him look like a supermodel or something.
00:09:08.560And they did it completely straight faced. And what it made me think is, look, maybe it was some editor didn't know what he was doing.
00:09:13.920Maybe it was intentional for some bizarro reason. But it made me think, look, when when the MSM, the establishment media put these images on TV,
00:09:22.580they're obviously working in concert with the Democrats who are trying to cause chaos, who are trying to undermine law enforcement.
00:09:28.000And so I'm always skeptical of that. I would say you can't really believe anything on the establishment media.
00:09:32.020Now, I can't I literally can't believe the pictures they are running a different picture, even of the guy who is at the center of this case.
00:09:40.340This to me seems like something actually has changed.
00:09:43.300And to Ben's point about ugly pictures, you know, I've worked with police a lot as a reporter,
00:09:47.500and it takes a lot of cops to bring a person down without just killing him.
00:09:52.120Most cops, if they want to take you down, they can do it single handedly, but they're going to break your legs.
00:09:56.060You know, if they swarm people in order to keep them from being hurt.
00:10:00.400And this guy, you know, once you shout, once you shout gun, I've seen this with my own eyes a number of times.
00:10:05.660Once somebody shouts gun, everything is different.
00:10:08.140You know, everything is like I do know this.
00:10:10.120We cops do not want to go home with a bullet in their head.
00:10:12.320You know, they don't want to go back to their wife, say, sorry, honey, I'm dead, you know, because I didn't react fast enough.
00:10:17.540And when they take these videos and they look at them frame by frame, it drives me crazy because they didn't happen frame by frame.
00:10:25.080And we can we can hold our police to high standards, but we can't hold them to robotic standards where they can see everything in slow motion.
00:10:32.800The whole thing is, to me, you know, it's as you say, it's a chaos operation.
00:10:37.340We already know that George Floyd, a drug addicted thug, you know, who's elevated to the point of being a saint by the media.
00:10:45.060And then we were told that the riots that came out of his were mostly peaceful.
00:11:08.160OK, this is another point that really annoys me.
00:11:10.020I see even some people on the right saying, well, hey, you know, we believe in the Second Amendment and we got to be consistent here.
00:11:14.920I've seen some people draw a comparison between this and Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:11:18.640Hey, man, let's let's be fair to completely actually diametrically opposite situations.
00:11:26.520Kyle Rittenhouse was there, was not interfering with any police officers, was not sabotaging police officer operations, was not resisting police.
00:11:33.200He was there because police officers weren't there and weren't doing anything.
00:11:45.740But you took a gun explicitly to go commit crimes.
00:11:49.800OK, interfering with with the police, sabotaging police operations, obstructing what the police are doing, obstructing law enforcement is a crime.
00:12:44.100And I agree with what Ben said that this is to the to the people, especially on the right.
00:12:50.420Again, there are some on the right who are saying, well, I believe in enforcing immigration law, but I don't like the way this is happening.
00:12:57.900Well, there is no way to do it that won't be ugly because it's easy enough to say, let's let's enforce our immigration laws.
00:13:05.540But the problem is we have millions of people here illegally.
00:13:23.040And so if you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration laws in an ugly way, then you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration law at all because there's no way to do it that isn't that isn't ugly.
00:13:34.000By the way, a crucial point on this on this gun Second Amendment argument from the libertarians who, you know, look, I love my libertarian friends.
00:13:42.560You can always count on them to undermine the right exactly at the moment that it really matters.
00:13:47.660But but I get the point in principle because I'm a Second Amendment supporter.
00:13:50.520I'm a gun owner, a lifetime member of the NRA.
00:13:52.080There is a deep conservatism to the wisdom of Johnny Cash.
00:14:01.300So look, you can take your guns to town.
00:14:03.640But if you are going to obstruct law enforcement, you're going to put yourself intentionally in a very provocative situation where you will be committing crimes.
00:14:11.540Probably not the best idea to roll up with your cig in two magazines.
00:14:14.560By the way, his parents were interviewed by CBS News, a generally liberal news outlet, and they made the point.
00:14:21.620Probably they shouldn't have admitted this, that he was not a regular carrier of guns.
00:14:25.840You know, he had his CCW, but this was a guy who never took his gun out, really.
00:14:29.560And all of a sudden he rolls up there with a with a weapon that has a hair trigger.
00:14:33.520The New York Post just reported that he had a broken rib from his last conflict with ICE agents.
00:14:39.540So he was already out there doing getting into violent scuffles.
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00:17:52.400They're up against people who are exposing their whereabouts, their locations, getting in their way.
00:17:57.800On top of that, because as we were leaving, we saw a situation unfold that thankfully didn't get as intense as some of these stories we've seen about these shootings,
00:18:07.040but could have gone that way with those agents trying to deescalate vehicles who were blocking them in the roadway.
00:19:55.260So, yes, they have the authority to do this.
00:19:57.520And they're they are making arrests of people who are openly getting in their way.
00:20:02.160You know, Jenny, what do you think is the even riding along with the ICE officers and what is the morale like given the situation?
00:20:08.840And what are their thoughts on ICE leadership?
00:20:10.820Because obviously we've seen some turmoil inside ICE leadership or patrol leadership.
00:20:15.240The president has deployed Tom Homan to Minneapolis.
00:20:17.560It seems that he is moving Greg Bovino at least out of the out of this realm, you know, to another area of the country.
00:20:23.960What are people feeling down on the ground there?
00:20:26.960Right. So I think this was perfectly, you know, came to light when I had Border Patrol agents messaging me yesterday.
00:20:35.800Some of my sources saying that they're happy that some of them are getting to leave because this has been really hard for them to go through to be in these environments where
00:20:49.140they're they're not only just having to assess the threats that are present when you're making an arrest already.
00:20:56.040But now there's this added threat of outside organized agitators who are communicating on radios or 3D printing whistles.
00:21:05.160I mean, I saw some of that, too, that they're handing out to try to obstruct these arrests.
00:21:09.000So they're happy to see a change. And that change has been that the Trump administration has taken figures like Border Patrol commander Gregory Bovino out of Minneapolis and had sent him back to the border.
00:21:23.000He's been relieved of his duties as the commander of at large operations.
00:21:27.000He was the face of these aggressive immigration operations in cities like New Orleans, now Minneapolis.
00:21:33.900He was in Chicago and he was representing Border Patrol, which Border Patrol has a role in immigration enforcement.
00:21:40.900Traditionally, it's been along the border and border towns. They're not used to operating in these urban environments and they're more indiscriminate.
00:21:48.900They were brought in when Secretary Noem, according to sources and her close aide, Corey Lewandowski, decided that the operations should focus more on numbers, that they should have more of a quota than going than the focus being on quality arrest and getting the worst of the worst.
00:22:09.740So we saw that shift. And that's when Border Patrol really came in to boost the numbers, to get more people off the streets who are here illegally, not necessarily going after people with the worst criminal histories first, which was how the mass deportation campaign started.
00:22:26.740Holman, however, Tom Holman, the border czar, who's now been brought in to replace Bovino, is in the camp of wanting more of those quality arrests.
00:22:36.240He wants us to get those really hardened criminals off the streets. And he's an ICE guy. He was head of ICE before this.
00:22:43.240And so Trump brought him in and said, report directly to me, which is interesting because he's not asking him to report to the DHS secretary.
00:22:51.240And he's saying, you know, possibly we're hearing that they could be looking at changing the target list, saying maybe we should shift and go after more of the worst of the worst.
00:23:04.240And then also a lot of this depends now on is Mayor is Governor Walz going to deliver on letting people be handed over from the jails into ICE's hands for arrest rather than continuing to perpetuate these really dangerous sanctuary policies.
00:23:24.240I'm hearing that the local police are also helping now finally helping ICE keep the protesters back. Have you seen any of that?
00:23:31.240So we've seen some state police that are keeping back riders who were trying to go into a hotel. They said Gregory Bovino was staying.
00:23:42.240We saw just one instance of that. And that could be a glimpse into what this deal was that Trump had discussed with the governor there.
00:23:53.240But we're still waiting to see what comes to fruition. We know Homan himself met with the governor this morning.
00:24:00.240And so there's still ongoing talks. There's still ongoing negotiations into what access ICE will have when for years and years and years, Minnesota has been releasing illegal immigrant criminals out of jails and hasn't been cooperating with ICE, hasn't been sharing immigration status at all with them.
00:24:21.240And when they're lodging detainers, when they're putting a formal request in with a let's say county or city jail saying you have this person in your custody that we're aware of who is an illegal immigrant who's committed a crime.
00:24:34.240When you are going to release them, please give us a call. Hold them for a short period of time. We'll come and get them. They haven't been doing that.
00:24:43.240Now, Jenny, if we do shift focus here and we only go after the most hardened face tattooed, you know, murderers of the rapists of the murderers kind of people, can we send you since you're already there to go round up all the other ones?
00:24:57.300I don't know if that's in your job description. I know you're more doing like journalism and stuff, but in any case, you're doing great work out there.
00:25:03.140Thank you very much for the report. And we'll we'll look forward to an update next time.
00:25:08.240Well, that is our reporter, Jenny, who's on the ground in Minneapolis. Obviously, we've been expanding our reportage and our reportorial base pretty extensively.
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00:25:31.900So I want to hear about what this change in strategy means from the red blue political level.
00:25:37.980Is this a win for Trump? Is this a loss for Trump? Did Walsh get something?
00:25:41.620But before we talk about the present, Mr. Walsh, I want you to tell us about the past.
00:25:46.960Yeah, we have a new show that I'm really excited. I'm obviously very excited about, you know, it's called Real History.
00:25:52.380So we just debuted last week, the first episode of this series where we just look at historical episodes that are much, much talked about, but not talked about honestly, especially by the school system and the media and all of our institutions.
00:26:08.180And the first episode, we talked about slavery, giving the real kind of history of slavery, the real context for it and what slavery in America looked like as opposed to other parts of the world.
00:26:20.480And we've just filmed a couple other episodes as well that I'm even more excited about, and that might prove to be even more controversial, which I think is great.
00:26:31.620So stay tuned for all that. Can we just jump right into back to the subject at hand?
00:26:36.500Because you asked about, is it a political win for Trump?
00:26:40.220I think that for sure, and this cannot be stressed enough, it is a massive, massive, massive loss and failure if Trump scales back at all in the slightest bit in response to what's happening in Minneapolis.
00:26:55.680You can't, I mean, I don't think it's exaggerating to say if he does that, it's the end of his presidency.
00:27:01.020It could very well be the end of any hopes for Republicans in 20, you know, even in the next presidential election.
00:27:06.600You can't, what is that, what message does that send?
00:27:08.760The only message that sends to the left is like, okay, well, here is the, here's the formula.
00:27:13.680If you don't want, if we don't want deport, if we don't want actual deportations, mass deportations, if ICE shows up in your city and you think they're doing too much, well, just get all your buddies together, show up and get out there in the street, start rioting, cause chaos.
00:27:28.940Yeah, bring your gun with you, go out there and sabotage, and that's the way to get what you want.
00:27:34.500We saw what happened in 2020 when the left was just allowed to basically run roughshod over the entire country.
00:27:42.460That's exactly what they did for months, and many people died and billions of dollars of damage, and that's all that we are ensuring.
00:27:50.240And also keep in mind that, as many other people have pointed out, it's the wintertime right now.
00:27:55.760And so one of the reasons why this hasn't completely exploded, like powder keg style, the way that it did in 2020, I think is that it's because of the weather.
00:28:03.980And as we get into the summer months and it gets warmer, if Trump doesn't clamp down on this, and that means not only keeping up the deportations, keep ICE, keep doing what you're doing, but also, you know, we need mass deportations.
00:28:18.160Now we also need mass arrests of the people who are doing this.
00:28:22.000You know, the only thing about this, though, that bothers me, the administration has made some missteps, and missteps cost you politically.
00:28:28.400I mean, the minute these things happen, they come out and say this guy was a terrorist or he was, you know, gunning to massacre, you know, ICE agents, which does not seem to be the case.
00:28:37.540And it's not wrong for him, for Trump to correct that, to correct that trajectory, to bring in Tom Homan, who seems muchāI saw him just on Morning Joe, and he was great.
00:28:47.220You know, he's the only guy in the administration who knows how to communicate what they're actually trying to do and what they're thinking.
00:28:52.580So I don't think it's a complete disaster.
00:28:54.880I agree with you in the general point, Matt, but I think it's not a complete disaster if he corrects the way the administration is handling these incidents in order to communicate what it is we're doing.
00:29:05.960Homan was great about saying, this is what we're doing, this is who they're stopping us from arresting.
00:29:09.860These guys are rapists, they're murderers, they're killers, we want them out.
00:29:12.240And it does seem like they were kind ofāI don't know, it did seem a little strange.
00:29:15.600Correct it in what way? What do they need to correct?
00:29:18.520Well, first of all, when a guy gets shot in a demonstration in a free country, you don't immediately come out and say that he was doing things that he may not have been doing because it makes you look like you'reāit makes the administration look untrustworthy.
00:29:30.820So now you've got an untrustworthy press on the left, and then you've got an untrustworthy administration.
00:29:40.160The administration should be saying, okay, we're going to look into this, we'll examine what happened, but it doesn't change the fact that we are getting illegals out of the country.
00:29:47.200That's the message, and they didn't do that.
00:30:38.020He then did it again with Alex Preddy, which is why he should be the person in charge of this whole effort.
00:30:42.660I frankly think that Christy Noem has outstayed her welcome already.
00:30:46.420The Calci markets, by the way, they are one of our sponsors.
00:30:49.200They suggest 50% of people think that she's out by May.
00:30:53.020I don't think that would be inappropriate.
00:30:54.060It seems to me that the vast majority of things that Christy Noem has done involve headlines in which she is spending certain amounts of money on either transportation or getup.
00:31:03.780In order to take photos in front of particular situations, she works at the pleasure of the president and for the president.
00:31:10.700And part of that is making the president's agenda more palatable and understandable to Americans.
00:31:15.820And if you're not going to do that, then really you shouldn't be the person in charge of that department, which is the reason I think why Gregory Bovino was moved out of his position as well.
00:31:23.520Because he went out there and suggested that Alex Preddy was attempting to massacre people.
00:31:27.240And then he went on all the shows on Sunday and had to walk that back or pretend that he never said it.
00:31:31.340And this sort of thing undermines public support for a very important mission, which is the mass deportation that the Trump administration is trying to pursue.
00:31:53.100The gas operation run by Democrats and the bad PR job that has been done by members of the administration in the aftermath of that.
00:32:01.140If the administration looks like the adult in the room and Democrats look as though they are basically the abolish ICE, let everybody run free party, that's a political win for Republicans.
00:32:10.480Now, as far as where this ends up, I think the Democrats could very easily win the battle and lose the war.
00:32:15.440Meaning I think that they could set up these domains of utter lawlessness.
00:32:20.080And it turns out they did this in 2020 and it worked for them a little in 2020.
00:32:23.880By 2024, Donald Trump was president again because it turns out people do not like abolish the police.
00:32:30.800And so we have this kind of temporary gut level reaction to seeing, again, those ugly pictures on our TV.
00:32:35.600But then if the policy that accompanies the ugly pictures is even worse than the policy that was present before the ugly pictures, then you end up with a backlash.
00:32:44.500So I think the Democrats could step too far on this the other way.
00:32:47.600But, again, I think that I think Noam has not done a good job as DHS, frankly.
00:32:51.560So, OK, so if the point is that the only real errors here have been in certain messaging.
00:33:52.040Monday, Trump speaks to Tim Walls on the phone.
00:33:55.960Tuesday, Tim Walls's troops, Minnesota State Patrol, go in and start arresting actual protesters.
00:34:02.240By the way, not even like Alex Pretty fake protesters, like real protesters, albeit the kind who get violent because that's what happens in Minneapolis.
00:34:26.380Yes, the messaging needs to be tight, of course.
00:34:28.640But if they don't scale back and all we get is, OK, Tom Homan's leading it now and Walls backs down and in his own words, says that he's a Nazi collaborator.
00:34:38.360That looks like a political win to me.
00:34:40.600I'm looking I'm looking at this and seeing a potential political win, too.
00:34:43.920I think you're actually right about this.
00:34:45.720I mean, what I what I'm seeing is that in this conversation with Walls, Trump must have said something that that got his got him to cooperate, possibly threatened to expose the fact that he's obviously a homosexual serial killer.
00:34:58.400In his spare time, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, just judging by his body language.
00:35:05.840But but I mean, something he must have said something to get him on board because it does look it does look different to me today and it looks different in a good way.
00:35:13.680And I think it's a good thing to have Homan in there because of his messaging and also because he's just good at this.
00:35:20.940Yeah, I think, Drew, your point here, I think, is well taken.
00:35:24.400And I think that, you know, the the Tim, my guess is that what Trump said to him is something like, OK, we're going to keep enforcing federal law.
00:35:31.800What is your recommendation for how we do this differently?
00:35:33.900He probably put it back in his lap and said, you're saying you don't want us to do this.
00:35:38.260Because we can't stop enforcing federal law.
00:35:40.180And if you get in the way of us enforcing federal law, I will declare the Insurrection Act and then you will have a real problem on your hands inside your state because it's going to look like you're going up against the federal government.
00:35:49.380And that has a long and inglorious history in American law.
00:35:52.940By the way, it won't just look like that.
00:36:29.660And then they say, would you like to spend billions upon billions of dollars deporting Abuela?
00:36:33.080Then they say, no, we only want the criminal illegal immigrants.
00:36:35.300So you have to drill down into what Americans kind of revealed preferences are on this thing.
00:36:40.380And again, I'm not saying that that doesn't mean that we should pursue massive mass deportations.
00:36:44.600I'm just saying that there's a reason why Tom Homan and the rest of the administration keep saying the phrase criminal illegal immigrants, because that's the area where you have 90 10 approval.
00:36:53.340When you're talking about people who have already committed other crimes, if you start with those people, you're never going to run into political headwinds.
00:37:00.160You're just going to win from beginning to end.
00:37:02.640Where things are going to start to get much dicier is in situations in which you are unleashing tens of thousands of federal agents in areas and doing these sort of mass deportations, because then you get the ugly pictures on your TV again.
00:37:15.660So we would just do well to acknowledge political reality as much as we acknowledge the reality of reality, which is that mass migration has done tremendous damage to the country and needs to end.
00:37:25.580And there's also the fact that we can get rid of a lot of people in quieter ways just by making it impossible for them to work.
00:37:33.400There is, though, you know, just to give a little grace to these guys, including Bovino, there are a lot of clips going around from Minneapolis of the protesters, the agitators arguing and saying, you know, you're just rounding people up, you know, indiscriminately.
00:37:49.000And you'll have the ICE officers say, we are targeting this guy, you know, this guy who's wanted for domestic violence, this guy who's got, you know, a felony or a misdemeanor or whatever.
00:37:57.320And so I actually do think that these raids are clearly quite targeted.
00:38:01.440It's not like they're just showing up to Home Depot, though they would be justified in doing that as well.
00:38:05.860So, yes, as there there has been a PR failure.
00:38:21.880So what's the difference in the United States where they're where they're sanctuary cities, which is a city basically in violation of federal law.
00:38:30.300And so when you look at that, look, this is clearly they're trying to do a repeat of the summer of love, albeit, thankfully, to Matt's point in the winter, which makes it better for us.
00:38:41.600If Trump scales back now that he will have taken every wrong lesson out of the summer of love.
00:38:45.880So you've got to keep the pressure up.
00:38:47.380But it looks to me like this is a political operation.
00:38:51.120And then you get all these reports that the lieutenant governor of Minnesota was allegedly in the signal chats helping to direct some of this stuff.
00:38:57.920You have state representatives who are calling for resistance, actively obstructing law enforcement.
00:39:03.360You know, at what point do we bring the hammer of the law down on the officials who are helping to conspire for all of this?
00:39:27.860But Jacob Fry, I mean, this guy, like we can't look past the fact that this is the same guy who was fomenting and facilitating mass rioting in 2020.
00:40:36.960One thing that is worth noting here is, again, the last 10 years have just proved that a huge swath of our population is unbelievably bored
00:40:44.060and also susceptible to the idea that there is great fun to be had in making trouble.
00:40:48.340Really, I mean, when you watch people out in the streets blowing whistles to obstruct ICE operations,
00:40:53.620whether it's that or the summer of love or any of the rest of this kind of idiocy in the streets that we've been watching,
00:40:59.440and it seems to be becoming more and more common, I think we do have to ask ourselves the question,
00:41:03.180what the hell is wrong with this society in which large swaths of working age people are finding the time and effort
00:41:09.300to go out in the middle of the freezing cold in order to agitate?
00:41:13.340And that speaks to a sort of unwellness that I think is pretty astonishing.
00:41:19.000And it seems to be, you know, relegated to certain populations.
00:41:23.960And here it seems like white liberal ladies in the suburbs are one of those populations.
00:41:29.500It seems to be disproportionately attending some of these some of these operations in Minneapolis.
00:41:33.720I mean, I wonder what the sort of societal problem that we're experiencing that is generating all of this is.
00:41:38.480I think the three words, it's it's Marvel movie morality.
00:41:44.420It's this extremely simplistic view where the liberals are always the good guys and the conservatives are always the bad guys.
00:41:50.740And worse than that, it's a Marvel movie anthropology.
00:41:55.120One of these agitators picks up a flashbang, one of these non-lethal grenades.
00:41:59.460Like clearly she saw it in some movie and she goes to throw it, blows her finger off.
00:42:03.420It's going around on the anti-ice social media pages right now.
00:42:06.200Or the idea that you can drive your car into a cop and then when the cops pull their guns out, the lesbian partner says, why did why did the gun have bullets in it?
00:42:16.620After Alex Pretty was shot, the woman who was filming this whole thing, who could have tried to intervene, who could have tried to pull him off the cops when they shot him?
00:42:26.100Shocked like she had never been more surprised by anything in her life.
00:42:28.700These are people who who take their entire view of history, anthropology and morality from comic book movies, and they go out and they they meet reality.
00:42:38.900And the part that I feel sorriest for them about is they seem genuinely surprised by it.
00:42:44.260That's how divorced from reality they are.
00:42:45.900You know, I have to say, too, though, I was reading an article about our pal Nick Fuentes and what what the complaints are, people who go and look at him.
00:42:55.660One of the things that really bothers me about Fuentes is I keep hearing people say how talented he is and how funny he is.
00:43:01.360I like the reason this bothers me is one of my few talents is spotting broadcast talent.
00:43:05.900He's a he's a moderate third level broadcast talent.
00:43:09.180He's got a sense of humor and he says things that are outrageous and it makes you makes you laugh.
00:43:13.240But but he's not really he's not a real talent like I've seen people be like some even some of the people in this very room have tons more talent than than he does.
00:43:22.820But he is speaking to something that is bothering people, which is this kind of, you know, trans valuation of all values where where men are penalized for being men, where women aren't women, where women are actually encouraged not to be like women.
00:43:38.080It's something is really strange in this country that is the left seeping through our media, which, in my opinion, is 100 percent corrupt.
00:43:46.760I mean, you've got like you've got poor Barry Weiss.
00:43:49.500She's like this fleck of dust in the machine and they're all getting together to get rid of her.
00:43:53.480You know, it's like this one middle of the road lefty.
00:43:56.340It's like too much for them to take because she's going to make people play fair.
00:44:01.180You know, this this media machine, which is crumbling around us as we see The Washington Post getting rid of all its people.
00:44:06.620It's crumbling, but it's not crumbling fast enough.
00:44:09.320And we still have a generation of people who were schooled in this machine, schooled in the academies and actually believe the values of the left are values, which they're not.
00:44:18.260They're just an agitation, as you call it, a chaos operation.
00:44:21.080And I think that that is a serious problem because they don't have churches to go to.
00:44:24.320They don't have synagogues to go to and they don't have any other set of values to to hook themselves to.
00:44:29.060And they have the churches that they can invade in violation of federal law.
00:46:10.400But if that's it, like if it's just those two and they end up getting slapped with a fine or they got to do a few days in jail or something, Don Lemon never goes to jail.
00:46:19.680If that's it for that, then I think that is a very bad sign, you know, going forward.
00:46:26.380Yeah, I don't understand why we treat these guys so leniently either.
00:47:22.080I have to, before we talk about the Oscars, in, in my business of crime writing, the Oscar is the Edgar Award named after Edgar Allan Poe.
00:47:29.060I've won two of them and I've just been nominated for my sixth one for my book, Kingdom of Cain, which is nominated in the critical biographical category.
00:47:37.580So I just wanted to announce that, but, but I've seen, I've seen some of the, the, uh, it's amazing that, you know, on the form that I had, the PR form I had to fill out, it asked my pronouns.
00:47:47.060So, you know how, uh, what a great chance I have of winning, but still the nomination was a shock.
00:47:51.400Uh, you know, I, the films that I have seen sinners and that one, one battle after another and Frankenstein, uh, we're all, all have the exact same problem, incredibly brilliant technical, uh, talent went into making them look beautiful.
00:48:10.080But because the people have no philosophy that makes sense in the second half, they just completely unravel because they don't know what they're saying.
00:48:17.580The only thing that Guillermo del Toro can say is monsters are nice.
00:49:15.320All these people are really talented and the talent is there, but each film unravels in the second half because the philosophy behind it or the outlet behind it makes no sense.
00:49:24.400I wonder about the timing though, because you mentioned these movies that promote left-wing political violence and they're the really hot movies this year.
00:49:31.000And then I think back, what was it now, almost nine, eight, nine, 10 years ago when the big hot movies were Moonlight and Shape of Water.
00:49:39.560So at that time, the weird sex stuff was in vogue and they, they pushed a movie about pederasty and a movie about having sex with a fish.
00:49:46.020And now left-wing violence is in vogue and they, they pushed one, one battle after another, whatever, all these other movies.
00:49:52.100And I think, okay, there's very little connection between the popular zeitgeist and the movies that win Oscars, but there seems to be a very tight connection between the zeitgeist in Hollywood, you know, the kind of fashions of the elite liberals and the movies that they put up.
00:50:07.360And so I think, okay, well, that's a tell, you know, that's, they're just pushing left-wing political violence.
00:50:11.040Now they've been celebrating it at least since Charlie was assassinated and, uh, okay, at least that's a decent metric on where we are, on where our elites are.
00:50:19.100Uh, it just, does it have any connection to the actual popular culture?
00:50:24.340So, I mean, I was trying to counter that as I was being distracted, not just because I couldn't deal with whatever Knowles was saying, but I was trying to write down the names of the, of the, uh, the best picture nominees.
00:50:34.820I believe that I have seen of the 10, cause they, they expanded this category when Dark Knight wasn't nominated way back when, uh, they expanded the category.
00:50:42.500So now it's 10 and of the 10, I believe it should not have been nominated by the way.
00:51:39.340The two movies that are currently being touted as the front runners for Best Picture are One Battle After Another, which is an Antifa fantasy flick about how a group of rebels decide multiracial radicals.
00:51:53.380Uh, and their, their kind of hapless white friend, Leonardo DiCaprio, uh, decide that they are going to engage in anti-ice operations, right?
00:52:00.980They're going to free a bunch of illegal immigrants.
00:52:02.380They're, they're going to, the big hero of the film is, uh, Benicio Del Toro, who is the only competent terrorist in the film who, who basically runs an underground railroad for illegal immigrants.
00:52:11.720Uh, the great villain in the film is Sean Penn, who's a guy with a black lady fetish, uh, and works for law enforcement and is gross and violent, obviously.
00:52:20.120And the entire United States is run by a secret group of white supremacists who wear polo shirts, right?
00:52:24.240That, that's, that's the basis for One Battle After Another.
00:52:26.660Uh, and I wish I were joking, but that's actually the plot of One Battle After Another.
00:52:29.800Uh, it is, it is, it is so subtle, so subtle, subtle as a brick.
00:52:33.700Uh, the, the acting in it, I thought, was actually not particularly good.
00:53:29.140Uh, that is why the vampires are led by a white Irish group, musical group.
00:53:34.660It's supposed to be, I assume, some sort of commentary on white people stealing black music and then living off of the lifeblood of black people.
00:53:41.400There's a lot of anti-Christian commentary about how Christianity, uh, is a religion that is, that is foisted upon black people.
00:53:47.720But true blackness is animism and paganism from, from Africa.
00:53:52.540That's, that's where the real black spirit lies.
00:53:58.440It's also incredibly reductive of the black experience in America in kind of bizarre ways.
00:54:02.200Uh, and also reductive of the, the actual development of, of music.
00:54:06.800Like if you're going to look at the blues and, and the, the, the kind of basis of it is it all takes place in the 1930s.
00:54:11.460And they, these black guys decide they're going to create a blues bar, essentially, and this blues bar is where black people can be free.
00:54:17.620This is the, the basic premise of the film.
00:54:19.380And, and the entire idea, and the big kind of ballyhooed scene is a scene where one of the guys is a black singer, and he's strunging the guitar, and he's singing the blues, and it really is, it, it kicks ass.
00:54:29.500And then it goes into this fantasy where he's uniting all of the black influences of the past and all black people in the future.
00:54:35.960And so you have people playing the electric guitar, and you have people from Africa who are walking around a drum, and all of this.
00:54:41.360And then you have a ballet dancer, a black ballet dancer who moves through, and you think to yourself, wait, hold up a second.
00:54:45.400I feel like that is not a historically black art form, the ballet.
00:54:49.220And also the guitar was not invented in Africa.
00:54:51.660And also the chord progression of the blues was not invented in Africa.
00:54:55.220And actually music, as it turns out, is a group event, just like culture is a group event, meaning that it is, it is pulled from a number of different influences.
00:55:03.740You can't take a single cultural thing that exists.
00:55:05.960And not find cultural imprints from a dozen different cultures on it, some more than others.
00:55:11.540But to pretend that there's no white cultural influence in the blues is, of course, silly, any more than to not acknowledge that there's huge black influence in rock and roll would be, would be really, really silly.
00:55:19.680And so this kind of reductive ideology is really dumb, but that's exactly why it's being celebrated.
00:55:24.380You know, the point on the religion, Ben, is just so funny that, because you hear this a lot.
00:55:28.600This is the whole point of Kwanzaa is like black people shouldn't celebrate Christmas.