00:00:30.000Welcome, gentlemen and lady, coming on later, to Friendly Fire.
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00:00:41.540We didn't know if we were going to have this show today because the world was supposed to end last night in nuclear holocaust,
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00:00:48.680and there was going to be a genocide perpetrated against the Persian people,
00:00:54.440and Trump, you know, I supported him for three elections, but this is too far.
00:00:59.480The left was freaking out about it, but there was a hysterical part of the right that was freaking out, and now it's fine.
00:01:05.700We might have a ceasefire. The Iran war might be over. The Strait of Hormuz might be open.
00:01:12.060We might actually be taking tax with the Iranians on the Strait of Hormuz, and in any case, there's a lot of dignity in establishing peace.
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00:01:21.520There's also a lot of dignity in Congress, where a Republican Congress lady thinks it's a really good idea to give amnesty to basically all the illegal aliens in the country.
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00:01:31.200That, threats from AI that could take us all down.
00:10:20.960I don't think there's been a good answer to that.
00:10:22.920And especially when the nuclear program is used as the answer.
00:10:26.120Well, we were told that it was obliterated back in like June.
00:10:29.860So it's difficult to understand how both those things could be true, that the nuclear program
00:10:35.300was obliterated, but also the nuclear program is why we had to launch this war. I don't think
00:10:41.180we've gotten a good answer to that. And I also think that, and then how are we better off? How
00:10:46.700has America benefited from it? Getting the straight back open, well, great. It was already
00:10:51.340open before this. So it's hard to see that we could say that that was a good reason for the
00:10:57.280war to start. And I also think that in my own personal view that I've been very open about is
00:11:03.400that I don't think this is in America's best interest. I think that there were a lot of
00:11:07.580breezy assurances made by proponents of this war early on. You guys were talking a little bit about
00:11:12.280that, that there's basically no downside. It'll be perfectly fine. It's treating Iran like they're
00:11:19.860not even a country. Or comparing it to Venezuela, totally different situation. And not enough
00:11:28.120wrestling with the real ramifications of doing something like this. And I got to say,
00:11:33.380that's one thing that's really frustrated me about this entire thing. And I think it was reflected
00:11:37.760in the conversation yesterday about Trump's truth social post about how we're going to,
00:11:45.120the entire civilization is going to die. And it's, for someone who tries to be reasonable
00:11:51.080about these things, it's really frustrating because what I see is, yeah, on one side,
00:11:54.740you have some people who do panic about it, and they act as though there's a chance that Trump
00:12:02.140will actually just nuke Iran and kill everybody. And I think that most of us who are rational knew
00:12:09.540that that was just not going to happen. But on the other end of the spectrum,
00:12:14.520you have people who are proponents of this war and reflexive defenders of it,
00:12:18.300acting as though there is no reasonable criticism a person could make of a president saying publicly
00:12:26.520the entire civilization will die. Like a reasonable person, a rational person can
00:12:33.820obviously without panicking, you're not being a panic in, you're not saying that the sky's
00:12:39.080falling, but you can look at that and say, huh, you know, I don't know if that's the best strategy.
00:12:44.840And I also don't know if morally it's like ever OK to threaten to kill an entire civilization, even if you get even if you get your way so that that's a conversation we can have.
00:12:57.480And just like the bad faith and the dishonesty from from people on both sides, I find I find really frustrating because, look, here's the thing.
00:13:06.520I agree with the people who say that, yeah, there's no way Trump was actually going to do that.
00:13:10.620He's not going to do that. I get it. OK, well, then. But why are you saying it then?
00:13:44.040I mean, when you make this threat, if you hold on, if you make this threat and you will never actually do it ever, no matter what they do, then then all you've done is made your threats completely, completely meaningless.
00:13:57.560No. So the thought that the fear is that and I've seen people say this, they went from criticizing Trump for bombing Iran to criticizing Trump for not bombing Iran.
00:14:07.600Bill Kristol came out. He said, this is a taco. Trump chickens out. And so the criticism is, well, this means you can't trust what Trump says.
00:14:13.460But I don't think that's true. I think you can trust what Trump says if you know what he means.
00:14:18.780And so, yes, no one, no reasonable person thought that Trump was going to drop
00:14:22.720multiple nuclear weapons on Iran and genocide the entire population. So no one thinks he's
00:14:28.580going to do that. But people do think he might do something. And this is one of the arguments
00:14:33.160for some strikes in Iran. Again, I'm a skeptic on the strikes. But one of the arguments for it is
00:14:38.520Trump is a dove. He advocates for peace. He doesn't want to get in these quagmires.
00:14:43.460And then he kills Soleimani, or he drops the Moab, or he takes out Maduro, or in this case,
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00:14:48.640he takes out the Ayatollah, the most senior Muslim leader in the world. And he does these
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00:14:52.120things that allow him to maintain some unpredictability. So with that tweet that
00:14:56.040he sent out, he goes, open the effing straits, or you'll all be living in hell. Praise be to Allah.
00:15:01.860To me, what I really liked about that tweet is it seemed very disciplined. It seemed reckless at
00:15:06.980first. But when you read that dry humor line at the end, all praise to Allah, you can see he's
00:15:12.180being disciplined here, and he's mocking the way that they speak. The Iranians are the ones who I
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00:15:16.360say, the great Satan will go down in a ball of fire, you know, whatever. And so he's kind of
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00:15:21.880mocking the way that they speak. My argument for what he's doing, just in a short way, a concise
00:15:28.000way, is there was good to be achieved here. I never thought the Iranian regime was going to fall.
00:15:34.740I always thought that those kinds of comments were way overselling the war. The goods that are
00:15:39.820achieved are you further weaken their nuclear program, which they're going to continue to
00:15:43.140pursue. You really mess up their ballistics missiles program, which was being used to defend
00:15:48.220the nuclear program. You sink their military. You kill the top like 15 layers of their government.
00:15:53.240But the regime remains in place in a similar way that we saw in Venezuela. And especially if you
00:15:59.020can make sure the Strait of Hormuz remains open so the best card that the Iranians have to play
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00:16:03.280doesn't actually redound to their benefit, then you have achieved some strategic objectives that
00:16:08.420the U.S. has had for 47 years. Again, I'm very skeptical of the whole thing, but it doesn't mean
00:16:12.960you don't accomplish nothing. I want to break in here on two points. First of all, Pete Hexeth,
00:16:19.120the god of war, or secretary of war, whatever they call him, he said that the Iranians knew
00:16:24.180exactly what Trump was talking about, that they knew exactly what he was going to hit. There was
00:16:28.340nothing they could do about it. I think that that is probably exactly accurate. So Trump was making
00:16:33.500a big fuss for the press and driving the press insane, as he loves to do. But in fact, the
00:16:37.480arranged exactly what was coming. And it was bad, you know, stuff they were going to get hit on
00:16:41.780Carg Island, they were going to get hit in their infrastructure. And I think that he was making a
00:16:46.680deal insofar as it goes. But the other thing about this, and look, my point about this war from the
00:16:52.720very beginning was, if it ends well, it'll be good. If it doesn't end well, it'll be bad, like
00:16:57.200every war, essentially. But I thought that there was a good reason for doing it, although whether
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00:17:02.360we should be doing it now or not is a fair question. All kinds of questions are fair.
00:17:08.300I agree with Matt. These people who say there's no downside to a war are out of their freaking
00:17:13.020minds. That's ridiculous. A war, we call it kinetic for a reason. We are fighting to build
00:17:18.420a country. Trump is fighting to build a country and a North America that can stand up to the
00:17:23.240onslaught from China that is coming, I would say, approximately 15 minutes. And I think that one of
00:17:29.660the things that he has done, when he went into Venezuela, a lot of the people running out of
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00:17:34.240that country were suspiciously yellow, you know, suspiciously look like Chinese people. When he
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00:17:39.020went into Iran, a lot of that oil coming through the strait is going to China. Something like 40%
00:17:43.740of their oil is for China. And that's stuff that China needs. And as they go forward,
00:17:49.820and as Donald Trump sits down with Xi and says, oh, my friend, my good friend, we get along so
00:17:54.480well, it would be a shame if you couldn't get your oil. It's going to matter who is in charge
00:17:59.400of the Strait of Hormuz. And so I think that this is all about, I mean, Trump is actually doing a
00:18:04.480visionary thing, which in America is forbidden because we live from not just election to
00:18:08.820election, we live from poll to poll. But I think he actually is doing a visionary thing. I think
00:18:13.520it is a good thing. I don't think it has to involve us changing the regime in Iran. I think
00:18:18.880it has to do with our crippling them, which he seems to have done almost completely, as far as
00:18:23.700I can tell. And yeah, you know, Matt is right again about that we didn't obliterate their
00:18:28.140nuclear program before. I think now we may have buried a lot of their nuclear goods underground
00:18:33.540such that it will be tough for them to get it out without our seeing them and going after them
00:18:38.440again. So I don't know. I think he has accomplished something. And I think that he would like to get
00:18:42.620out. I've been, you know, for the last two friendly fires, I've been saying time is running out.
00:18:47.040And I think there are a lot of people who are, you know, thinking that we have to go in and
00:18:52.300destroy everything in Iran to get rid of the leadership or change the regime. That's not
00:18:56.260going to happen? Hold on, before Matt starts to just scream his rebuttal to that, I want you all
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00:19:20.400Yeah, I think, look, there's this weird thing we do now with wars where we talk about them
00:19:27.980very theoretically, especially this latest one where we're sort of theorizing about,
00:19:33.880well, maybe we're doing it for this reason. Maybe this is the reason. As though we don't have
00:19:38.680leaders who are running the country whose responsibility is not to actually tell us
00:19:44.700this stuff. You know, it used to be that for most of American history, when we went to war,
00:19:49.620It was like kind of a big deal. And so the American people had to know why we're doing it.
00:19:54.920That doesn't mean that the generals have to sit down at your kitchen table and lay out all the blueprints and lay out all the battle plans for you.
00:20:01.620OK, some things are confidential. We get that. You want the element of surprise.
00:20:05.280But a basic conversation about why are we doing this? Why now?
00:20:10.200What you as Americans are going to pay the price for this one way or another.
00:20:14.500You're going to pay a financial. At least there's a risk.
00:20:16.500There's a risk if we if America goes to war in any part of the world, there is a serious risk to American people, to American livelihood, to American lives.
00:20:25.100No one can deny that. And so for that reason alone, we have a right to know why are we doing this?
00:20:30.240Why was this necessary right now? And well, what happens is that is that, you know, Trump says things and then some of us say, well, hold on.
00:20:39.320But that can't be true. That doesn't sound exactly right. And then we're told by the proponents of the war.
00:20:43.700Oh, well, you know, but that doesn't you can't take that seriously. He didn't really mean that. So Trump said obliterate the nuclear program. Well, but no, he didn't really mean obliterate it. Trump said we're going to the entire civilization is going to die. Well, obviously, he didn't really mean the entire civilization. Trump said the Iranian people will rise up and it will be regime change. Well, obviously not really a regime change. And then and then, Drew, you say, well, really, this is about positioning with China. Well, OK, but no one in power has said that. That is not what Trump has said.
00:21:09.220I agree with you, but I do believe that that's part of the plan.
00:21:12.820If he says that, he's telling China what he's doing and he doesn't want to do that.
00:23:42.980The pundits have been awful about this.
00:23:45.280I mean, there have been so many pundits on the left, I guess we'll call them whatever the anti-American pundits who are most pundits who have played this thing as if we were somehow, you know, our cities were being bombed.
00:23:57.580You know, you read The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
00:23:59.960It sounds like, you know, a rise in gas, which is bad.
00:24:03.240But it sounds like Hiroshima and America, the way they play it.
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00:24:06.820The Wall Street Journal in one of the funniest, you know, headlines I'd seen saying if Trump ups this war, then it might strengthen Iranian resolve.
00:24:19.380I thought, like the Black Knight in a Monty Python movie, how much stronger can their resolve be?
00:24:24.860Nothing seems to convince them that they've been beaten.
00:24:52.220But on the other hand, I think the hand-wringing is equally wrong.
00:24:54.480I think we are actually in a better place today than we were when the bombing started.
00:24:58.640And I think if he can get out of it right about now, which is what I've been saying since for the last two friendly fires, right about now is when I think he should get out of it and make sure the straight is open if he can.
00:25:09.300And that, I think, will be in a better position.
00:25:11.120Kevin, are we in a better place right now than we were five weeks ago?
00:25:13.580I think it's easy to say if things hold, if the ceasefire holds, then yeah.
00:25:17.400And if we're able to get anything to the straight, then yeah, we're in a better place.
00:25:20.920The big question, though, is can you actually get out right now?
00:25:24.420I mean, yeah, Trump can say, oh, well, it's a ceasefire.
00:25:27.520But if it's a one-sided ceasefire, if all that means is that we're no longer bombing
00:25:30.880them, if the strait, if you're having to pay $2 million to get a tanker through the strait,
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00:25:35.440if the Iranians are still holding the energy economy globally hostage, then of course you're
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00:25:41.720not in a better position than you are in the long run.
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00:25:44.700And I do think, Andrew, I agree that the pundit class has been terrible messaging on this.
00:25:50.080But we can be honest that the White House has been completely all over the place on
00:29:33.940I do not want the left to take this country back. I mean, the left is far more dangerous.
00:29:39.340The inside left is far more dangerous enemy to us than the Iranians. You know, and so I think
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00:29:44.380Trump is playing with fire when he lets his popularity sink as low as it has. But I still do
00:29:50.660think that, you know, you have to be able to think beyond the interests of the press. The interests
00:29:57.640of the press are Thursday. You know, they think like we're thinking as far as Thursday and this
00:30:02.000could go bad that, you know, if gas prices go up, the disaster predictions that have come out of
00:30:07.960this event have been so absurd that, you know, you can't even read the paper without, you know,
00:30:14.240kind of just throwing it away and thinking, I can't get any information out of this.
00:30:18.480The disaster predictions are absurd. Certainly the nothing could possibly go wrong idea is
00:30:24.440nonsense. The way that, you know, the other thing I agree with you, Matt, about is the way that
00:30:29.680people are savaged for talking about this as if it were a complex event with good and bad things
00:30:36.020involved. But, but I do think, but I do think that Trump has earned our respect in terms of
00:30:42.560foreign policy and in terms of visionary foreign policy, which in America means foreign policy
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00:30:47.480lasting beyond, you know, six weeks from now and thinking about the fact that the Chinese are
00:30:52.300serious, you know, they're seriously going after Taiwan. They seriously mean to replace our
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00:30:56.920hegemony with their hegemony. And I think that Trump is basically confessing what he has to
00:31:02.420confess, which is, which we all have to confess is we're an empire. We are an empire and we have
00:31:07.580to solidify the Western hemisphere in order to remain the good empire instead of the bad empires
00:31:12.660that are actually growing as we speak. Is there any reason though, is there any reason to think
00:31:18.300that let's say the ceasefire holds and I don't know how likely that is to happen.
00:31:23.700But let's say that it does. And then so then this is the, you know, the status quo. Whether or not this was worth it, whether or not it worked, whatever that means, because as we established, we don't really exactly know what the goals are.
00:31:39.140um that's not something we can judge right now and and that's that's the other other frustrating
00:31:45.560thing about the war proponents is that they're like as soon as the ceasefire was announced you
00:31:50.560had people saying you see it all worked out fine it's been 10 seconds i mean yeah if if this goes
00:31:57.340bad i'm not saying it's going to go bad because we're going to have a nuclear war i'm not i know
00:32:01.900maybe there's some people saying oh it's going to be world wars i mean a nuclear holocaust
00:32:04.660i am not saying that i think that most skeptics of the war aren't really saying that maybe
00:32:09.080some of the loudest voices are, but most aren't. I think most of us who are skeptical are saying
00:32:13.800that, yeah, it might work out fine in the short run, but there's no reason to think that in the
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00:32:21.500long term, we're going to be in a better position with Iran than we were before it. And there's
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00:32:26.220good reason to think that it might end up worse because what history has clearly shown us,
00:32:30.900including the recent history of the Middle East, is that when you create a power vacuum,
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00:32:35.060if they've even successfully done that, which I don't know that they have. But even if they did
00:32:39.880do that, especially in the Middle East, what happens is the power vacuum gets filled and it's
00:32:45.440going to invariably be filled, not by like the nicest, most democratic, most liberal-minded,
00:32:52.960secular people. It's going to be filled by the people who are the most brutal and the most
00:32:58.300ruthless and the most, especially in the Middle East, the most fundamentalists are willing to
00:33:02.080kill the most people to claim power. So hold on, one point, just before you both start attacking
00:33:07.540each other on this, well, hold on, I have to shift my framing here. I'm mirrored here. So
00:33:11.300before you both, anyway, before you guys start going at it on this, it is worth pointing out,
00:33:15.520I'm pretty opposed to regime change in Iran, not because the regime is good, it's an evil regime,
00:33:21.900but because of your concerns, Matt. The issue is, if this ceasefire holds,
00:33:28.180then we actually are in a situation that is much closer to what we saw in Venezuela,
00:33:32.780which is they didn't get rid of the regime. They didn't get rid of the party. They got rid of the
00:33:36.200top of it. They pointed a gun at number two, Delcy Rodriguez, and said, play ball with us or you're
00:33:40.460next. It'll be worse for you than it was for Maduro. And the same could be true here. If you
00:33:44.240get rid of Khamenei and who knows, Khamenei's junior seems to be in a coma right now, and you
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00:33:50.100just keep taking out all that top-level leadership, you leave the Islamic regime in place, then you
00:33:54.840avoid the fear of total chaos there where the genuinely bad actors might come in, you cut off
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00:34:00.040the potential of a flourishing democratic whatever Iran. But you might have a rump regime in place
00:34:05.220that can maintain order and also deal unfriendlier terms with the United States.
00:34:09.760Before we get to Drew's point about how, Matt, you and I are totally wrong,
00:34:14.780I have to say goodbye to Cabot. I am looking forward to welcoming Isabel. But more important
00:34:20.740than any of that, I want to talk about our sponsor, Policy Genius. I don't know about you,
00:34:24.940folks, but it's very difficult to track all of the things that I'm supposed to do.
00:34:29.160I disregard most of my obligations in this world, and you have a big obligation. That's an obligation
00:34:33.900to your family, okay? What happens to you, what happens to your family if something happens to
00:34:40.300you? Everyone knows this is something you're supposed to handle, but navigating life insurance
00:34:44.280on your own is a preposterous exercise. Carriers looking out for themselves, jargon meant to
00:34:49.160confuse you. No one in your corner. Drew, I don't want to be rude. I assume, I hope you've thought
00:34:57.100about this more than the rest of us have thought about. Have you, you're going to, you're going to
00:35:02.420disappear someday. No, no, no. I never die. Haven't you caught on now? You know, when you talk about
00:35:07.760the Persians, I was thinking, yeah, I remember them at Thermopylae, wasn't it? Old Thucy.
00:35:11.740That's a hot, yeah. But you got to get it, especially, and especially young people. This
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00:35:17.520is the thing. So young people don't like to face this. Old people are like, it's just, you know,
00:35:21.140there's a guy with a scythe standing in back of me half the time, but young people don't want to
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00:35:26.060think about it, but you got to think about it because this is the time to get the insurance
00:35:29.060because it's cheap and you can actually move forward. And by the time you're ready to cork,
00:35:33.700you know, you'll have an investment that'll keep your family safe and things do happen.
00:35:38.300It's insurance. It's insurance against the bad things that can happen in life.
00:35:41.860You know, Matt, do you take care of your family or are you as irresponsible as I am?
00:43:19.760But it's also just like rocket science, apparently, for most people in Congress.
00:43:23.820to how to govern on offense as a conservative and to conserve American borders, culture,
00:43:31.360way of life, legal system. It's like we're so afraid of the potential that we might disappoint
00:43:37.440some theoretical middle of the fence voter out there that really doesn't exist in 2026. So you
00:43:43.200just change your entire strategy the minute that you get in office. I'll actually add this too
00:43:47.000before opening it up to the rest of you guys. This is really interesting stuff. This bill was
00:43:50.480introduced almost a year. All of a sudden, it's just now picking up traction while they're hoping
00:43:54.960that you don't pay attention to any of this stuff. It is 261 pages. So it's a whole lot more
00:44:01.120complicated than some simple way to reform immigration. And the byline of this bill is
00:44:06.800literally called to secure the border and reform the immigration laws. Secure the border, but go
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00:44:13.220off. I actually interviewed Congressman Brandon Gill about this. This will be our episode for
00:44:17.040tomorrow. He's one of the good ones left here in Washington. And I loved his take on it.
00:44:21.500I think of a clip for you guys. You know, we're not going to sell out our entire country for an
00:44:27.320extra five basis points of GDP growth, which seems to be the bargain that that the sort of
00:44:34.360the libertarian wing in our party has made for a long time. We've got to move away from that.
00:44:39.380And that is what we ran on, by the way. To your point, we ran on a platform of deportations.
00:44:45.360And whenever you tell the American people that you're going to push mass deportations, you cannot turn around and introduce an amnesty bill.
00:44:54.260You know, that really is like two middle fingers to the people who voted us and elected us and got us a trifecta and got President Trump the popular vote.
00:45:03.800I mean, it's really a grotesque betrayal of everything we've been saying for years now.
00:45:09.660If we betray our voters like this Dignity Act does, which, again, is an absolute abomination, I think it will be unforgivable.
00:45:18.300It will be absolutely unforgivable, and we'll be dealing with this a decade from now.
00:45:24.360That's exactly what they did in Britain, right?
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00:45:26.400They keep voting in people to stop the migrants coming in, and they keep letting the migrants coming in, whether it's left or right.
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00:45:31.940It's exactly the way that Britain has become whatever it is now.
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00:46:58.220I will admit this is one of the main reasons
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00:47:01.700why I have opposed it, opposed the Iran war, and I still do. It's like the first thing I thought of
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00:47:08.720because of how my mind works when I heard we were launching these strikes, is that
00:47:13.720if Trump is going to do something that is politically risky, potentially politically
00:47:21.780catastrophic, although maybe not, drastic, you know, raises some constitutional questions
00:47:30.660And all of that, like a huge swing like that, you know, and using a lot of political capital, I would much rather it be on mass deportations of every single illegal immigrant in the country and also, and this is where we get to the constitutional questions, defying every federal judge who tries to stop him.
00:47:53.400And here's the thing. Unlike some right-wing commentators, there are right-wing commentators
00:47:59.200who are calling for mass deportations and will also insist that, yeah, we could do it. The people
00:48:03.960will love it. We're not going to suffer any big political backlash. If anything, it'll be a red
00:48:08.800wave because people will love it so much. Maybe it works out that way. I tend to doubt it. I'm not
00:48:13.860sure exactly politically how this would play. I mean, if you did mass deportations, not just,
00:48:18.220Michael, to your point, not just the face-tattooed criminals, but you're actually deporting people
00:48:22.460who've been here for 10 years have never committed an additional crime aside from coming to the
00:48:26.260country illegally, and you're deporting millions of them. I'm not sure how that plays, what that
00:48:31.500looks like. We know that the media propaganda campaign, they would treat it like a nuclear
00:48:35.900holocaust. We saw what they did when we were only deporting the face-tattooed criminals. We were
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00:48:40.000deporting sex offenders, pedophiles, Somali fraudsters, and they treated it that way.
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00:48:44.960You can only imagine if it was actual mass deportations of non-criminal aliens except
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00:48:50.720for the crime of coming here illegally. So I don't know. But what I'm saying, and it is possible,
00:48:55.080I will admit this right now, that if you were to do that, and you were especially to do the second
00:49:00.020part, which would be necessary, of basically flipping the middle finger to the federal judges
00:49:03.760and saying, yeah, I get you guys don't like this. We're going to do it anyway. It needs to be done.
00:49:08.700The federal judges are completely out of control. They've claimed power over the entire government.
00:49:14.460They claim executive, judicial, and legislative power for themselves. There's no way to solve
00:49:19.220that other than just, we're going to ignore you and do it and let the chips fall where they may.
00:49:23.380And if you were to do that, I don't know how it plays out. It may end up being a political
00:49:27.160catastrophe. I mean, it may end up being blue wave in the midterms, Democrat president, maybe.
00:49:33.660That's a risk that I'm willing to take for that result because it must be done. And I think a lot
00:49:37.880of Americans are willing to take it for that result. You know what? If we did mass deportations,
00:49:41.540we did what had to be done. We reclaimed our country. And the consequence, I'm not convinced
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00:49:46.020to what happened. But if the consequence was that a Democrat gets elected in 2028 because people are
00:49:50.380really mad about it, to me, that's a price. It's not a price I want to pay. It's a price worth
00:49:54.480paying. I'm not willing to pay that price. Not that I get a choice in the matter. I don't want
00:49:59.840to pay that price for Iran. I want to pay it for this. And here's the thing. I think that especially
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00:50:06.780recent history showed us that as a president, you typically don't get to take multiple huge
00:50:13.560swings like this. You don't get, time is finite and the attention of the American people is finite
00:50:19.060and there's not a lot of time. So it's like, if you're going to take a big swing, if you're going
00:50:23.720to do something huge, you probably only get one. And I would hate to think that we've used it on
00:50:29.180Iran. I think that, and if we're getting out of Iran now, great, because then you could argue
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00:50:34.120that maybe it doesn't end up being a huge thing if it only lasted a few weeks. And so let's go do
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00:50:38.160this thing over here, actual mass deportations. And I have to say, I think that's a totally
00:50:45.420reasonable point of view, except for the fact that the idea of Trump focusing on something
00:50:50.840and remaining focused on it is such a fantasy. It's like trying to imagine infinity. You know,
00:50:55.440you just your mind can't comprehend it. But I but I think in terms of normal politics,
00:50:59.960I think that's a perfectly reasonable point of view. If you're going to take the chance,
00:51:03.140You'd rather he take it on illegal immigration. I think all told, I would agree with that.
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00:51:08.760I just can't imagine Trump focusing on anything for more than it takes, you know, more time than
00:51:14.340it takes to send a tweet. You know, there's another problem here, which is I was speaking
00:51:17.700to some members of Congress. This was a while ago. This was right when they came in the last year.
00:51:23.060And I said, guys, it's really all about the deportations. You really just have to get it
00:51:28.120done. I was making really your points, Matt, which is, you know, this is it. It's going to be,
00:51:33.380could be politically costly, but the American people do really want it at a deep level. And
00:51:38.340it's transformational. The left has been open about the fact that their long-term electoral
00:51:43.400strategy is to radically transform the demographics so that they can have a permanent majority.
00:51:47.780We have to stop that. Time is running short on that. We're talking about time running short on
00:51:52.180the Iranian nuclear program. Time might even be shorter on the domestic program of the Democrats.
00:51:57.660So you really have to do it. Just go and deport Abuela. And I was speaking to these members of
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00:52:03.080Congress off the record. I won't say their names, but a lot of them did bring up the point. They
00:52:07.940said, Michael, that's all well and good. We would love to do that. The problem is it's not only
00:52:12.780opinion polls that we have to answer to. We also have to answer to the donor class, or we're not
00:52:18.360going to get a crack at that. We also have to, and the donor class, by the way, doesn't want to
00:52:22.080deport abuela. We also have to answer to the media because the media, even today, still has a lot of
00:52:27.980power to tank these guys. And I'm sympathetic to their point of view because politics is very
00:52:33.840complex and it's easy for a pundit. Can I be honest though? Yeah. Can I be honest? I'm just
00:52:40.020tired of that excuse. And maybe this is a generational, but particularly when it comes
00:52:44.300to Congress, I am sick and tired of people sitting down the street from me in Washington,
00:52:48.620D.C. who have been here longer than twice the time I've been alive, who run every two
00:52:53.120year on the same empty promises to fix all the issues in our country that then they have
00:52:57.500no incentive to fix because they have nothing to run on in 24 months for receive a blank
00:53:02.020check from the donor class and also get to manipulate the stock market behind our back
00:53:05.860and make a net worth of four hundred thirteen million dollars all on Nancy Pelosi, who,
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00:53:10.500oh, by the way, has served in Congress for the last thirty eight years consecutively.
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00:53:14.560This woman was born before the invention of the microwave oven and the pen.
00:53:19.540And these are the people who are telling young people, oh, you just have no idea what you're
00:56:35.760I also want to say this, because I think from Trump's perspective, he probably looks at right wing commentators like myself who criticize him pretty strenuously for things like Iran.
00:56:54.660And his attitude is probably, hey, you're so ungrateful.
00:56:58.060I mean, I've done all these things that no one else, no other president has ever done.
00:58:41.800When I'm talking about mass deportations, and this is a credit to Trump, as well as being
00:58:49.200a criticism and a call to action. I recognize that if he won't do this, I don't think anyone
00:58:55.800else ever will. If Trump will not do this, I don't think, certainly no president in my lifetime
00:59:00.840before him ever would have done it and didn't do it. I cannot imagine any president doing this if
00:59:05.900he won't do it. And so that's why our message to Trump has to be, you've got to do it. If it's not
00:59:13.520you, it won't be anybody. And we cannot be satisfied unless you do it. Because if we're
00:59:18.900willing to say, okay, fine, Trump didn't do it. That's not us just saying, fine, Trump's not doing
00:59:23.060it. It's us saying, okay, fine. It will never happen. Well, you mentioned recent history, Matt.
00:59:27.740I think you have a show that is about recent history. Am I correct about that?
00:59:35.120Yeah. Well, recent history, old history, we kind of go through the gamut.
00:59:39.960The most recent episode we just put up was about the Civil War. So we've done,
00:59:45.000our first episode was the real history of slavery. We did the real history of the American Indian
00:59:49.260and the Indian Wars that were, you know, hundreds of years long campaign.
00:59:55.160And then we just, we put up our most recent one about the Civil War.
00:59:59.500And, you know, look, you got to become a subscriber, go watch the episodes.
01:00:03.860I think that kind of on whichever side you're on,
01:00:07.480you might be surprised by the way we handle the episodes.
01:00:10.220I thought you meant whichever side, like Union or Confederate.
01:00:13.980Whatever, whatever side, all different sides.
01:00:17.660I think you'll be surprised by how we handle it,
01:00:18.940Because what we're not trying to do is take the left-wing propaganda that has been disseminated by the school system and Hollywood and all that and replace it with our own sort of overly simplistic, cartoonish, kind of right-wing version of these events.
01:00:35.400And especially with something like the Civil War, you kind of find that where, you know, you've got the mainstream narrative, which is that the Union, you know, the Confederates were all just evil Nazis, basically.