Libs of TikTok founder Chaya Reichik joins Betsy and Amanda to talk about her journey to becoming a voice for the trans community and how she became a force to be reckoned with on TikTok and in the trans movement.
00:09:03.500I've gotten, um, I, I've been in touch with a couple different, um, organizations and campuses.
00:09:10.360It just hasn't worked out yet, but I think, um, hopefully soon I do plan on doing that.
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00:10:12.320I think for people, especially someone on the outside, maybe if they're just becoming familiar with you and what you do, they might be surprised that you attract as much vitriol as you do from the left, given that most of what you do is simply you're taking content other people have already posted publicly online and you're sharing it.
00:10:34.620It's already been shared and you're just saying, hey, look at this.
00:10:37.020Why do you think the left views you in particular as such a threat?
00:11:11.200The other thing is, I think there's this, the way that most kind of like journalists and commentators have done things, maybe up until recently, is I feel like they tried to keep it more polite.
00:11:28.920And this is what I appreciate about you a lot, Matt, as well.
00:11:31.580I feel like both of us, like we just don't care what they think of us.
00:11:34.920Like we will just say exactly what we want and we'll say it as we see it.
00:12:08.040I was called transfer of the year, but like, no, we don't respond like that.
00:12:11.340Like we just hit it right back at them.
00:12:13.020And I think they're, they're, they're not so used to that.
00:12:16.620You said, uh, you know, we don't care what, what people say.
00:12:19.560I'll say for me, certainly at this point and for a while now that that is certainly true of me that I, I quite literally don't care what any of these people say about me at all.
00:12:31.020Well, that wasn't always the case for me.
00:12:33.380I mean, I, I think when I first got into any position of like presenting my ideas in public at first getting dogpiled by people
00:12:42.640and being accused, called all these names that aren't true, it's like, it did bother me.
00:13:42.480And that's just what keeps me, you know, um, motivated and what keeps me, um, what, what enables me to just continue doing it without, um, without thinking of what the haters are going to say and how they're going to react.
00:13:56.020Do you think that's the health, because this is what I'm always trying to figure out about myself is, uh, because when people always ask me, how do you deal with the, how do you deal with all the hate?
00:14:04.280And I kind of give the answer I just gave, uh, but I'm not sure it's, I don't know.
00:14:09.640I don't always know what to recommend to other people about, well, how do they deal with it?
00:14:12.480Because I don't know that simply not caring what anyone thinks is the healthiest psychological state for a human being.
00:14:20.800There's something about it that feels kind of unhuman.
00:14:23.660Uh, but at the same time, I don't know how you function these days.
00:14:27.660If you do care, because that will be used against you and you'll be easily manipulated.
00:14:32.120So do you, is it, how do you, what do you, what do you say to people when they ask you a similar question?
00:14:36.860If they ask for a recommendation, like how do they deal with it?
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00:16:40.920And when it comes to the things that might, for me even still, if there is anything that can still bother me a bit, it's, as you say, it's not names or you're a bigot or transphobe.
00:16:53.320But it's when you're accused of something that just simply isn't true, that can still, I think if you're a human being, that bothers you because you value integrity.
00:17:03.180And when you encounter people who don't have any integrity, it's frustrating, even still, no matter how used to it you are.
00:17:10.440So on that note, you've been blamed, including recently, but many times over for bomb threats and death threats and so on to schools and hospitals that mutilate kids and all that.
00:17:25.260Well, first of all, in general, how do you respond to those sorts of accusations?
00:17:30.340Yeah, so I was just going to bring that up because even when they blame us for things that are just completely not true, right, like just malicious lying, it doesn't bother you when it starts getting to the point of where it's like you're getting blamed for this just like constantly.
00:18:47.660And to destroy my credibility, because if they're able to kind of frame you as this violent, dangerous person who loves violence and bomb threats, then that's how they could try to like censor you, silence you and cancel you.
00:19:04.940So at this point, it does not bother me at all.
00:19:09.740I mean, they blame me for bomb threats probably weekly or multiple times a week sometimes.
00:19:15.860And I'm just like, I know what they're doing.
00:19:22.200And it does not bother me in the least bit.
00:19:25.260I know that I've never called for violence.
00:19:26.880I know that I've specifically called for these bomb threats to be investigated, for people to be arrested.
00:19:33.940So, you know, the they can call me whatever they want.
00:19:37.740It can make up whatever story they want.
00:19:39.480But at this point, it doesn't bother me at all.
00:19:41.320Isn't there also kind of a weird, almost admission that goes on when the left says, well, you can't talk about this because that's going to lead to bomb threats.
00:19:51.380It's almost like what they are saying is that this thing is so horrific that if you talk about it, it will encourage people to lash out violently, even if you're not encouraging that.
00:20:03.840I've always found it to be just the very, the whole talking point about bomb threats to me kind of carries with it this admission of the horror of what they're doing, for example, to children in these hospitals.
00:20:17.260Yeah, and in general, the whole like stochastic terrorism thing, the whole charge, it just makes absolutely no sense because they're basically saying you're only allowed to report or discuss certain topics that we approve of, right?
00:20:37.220Because if there's, if there's anything, if you're discussing something that we don't like, then, you know, there's going to be, there's going to be this threat, and then you're not allowed to talk about it.
00:20:48.340They basically want to preemptively ban you from speaking.
00:20:51.620And I actually spoke about this with a journalist at USA Today, and I asked him, I said, you know, you're going to publish an article about me, how I'm responsible for bomb threats.
00:21:00.660And, you know, I'm going to get some death threats after that.
00:21:10.000And he was trying to get me to agree to start putting disclaimers on all my tweets saying, please don't call in a bomb threat just because I'm posting about this.
00:21:18.700And I said, well, will you put a disclaimer in your article and not to send me death threats just because you're reporting on me?
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00:23:24.540And that's a very good, that's a good thing to note that, of course, we're saying bomb threats.
00:23:30.040Just imagine the air quotes around it because, I mean, I will, I'm not saying this is your view.
00:23:34.800I don't know if it is or not, but I will go so far as to say that I'm quite sure, in fact, that a large number of them are not coming from the right.
00:23:42.940And the reason that I know that is, number one, the left has a very well-established propensity for faking these kinds of things.
00:23:52.060And number two, it obviously does not advance the cause, the right's cause at all.
00:23:58.800So, like, of course, morally, calling it a bomb threat is terrible.
00:24:04.720Also, if you actually are on the right and you're concerned about these things happening to kids, calling in a bomb threat obviously is not going to do anything but hurt your cause.
00:24:14.760And so you might have people that are crazy and stupid enough to do it anyway.
00:24:17.360But anytime something is happening on, like, a general scale, you have to look at, like, well, who does this benefit?
00:24:23.420And so, well, probably they have something to do with it if it benefits them.
00:24:29.360So, you know, you seem, moving from there, talking about, you know, these hospitals and what they're doing to kids, you seem to focus, like I do, on culture issues, trans ideology being one of the big ones.
00:24:44.340So, I know you mentioned when you first got into it, you were kind of, a lot of the content was about COVID, obviously that, we're pretending that never happened now, the COVID lockdowns.
00:25:29.260I mean, I think the shock factor of how far this actually went and how damaging it actually is, that really propelled me to start focusing on it a lot.
00:25:40.560And the fact that no one in America even seemed to know.
00:25:44.320So, it was kind of like a, it was a massive shock to me.
00:25:49.300And like I said, I wasn't into politics before.
00:26:25.780And I think that when it comes to kids, obviously, we need to do everything we can to protect kids.
00:26:31.980That's something that everybody agreed on up until a couple of years ago.
00:26:35.860So, you know, when you're going to come for children, there's going to be backlash.
00:26:41.580You're not going to be able to get away with it.
00:26:43.840So, I think a combination of those things really got me to want to focus on it.
00:26:51.220And then, also, the future of our country.
00:26:53.280If we don't have, if our next generation is completely messed up, they're all just confused about their identity, they're grooming our kids, they're indoctrinating our kids, they're teaching them to hate America, to hate themselves, to hate everything, to hate whites, to hate the West.
00:27:23.880And then you had those on the right that if they did talk about it, it was only to say that we shouldn't talk about it because it's a sideshow distraction.
00:27:30.820And now that has changed considerably.
00:27:32.440So, how do you assess the state of the culture war when it comes specifically to trans ideology and the trans issue?
00:27:41.280Do you think that we are, would you go far enough to say that we're winning right now?
00:28:05.160So, we constantly have to keep up with it.
00:28:06.860So, I think this is going to be a lifelong project, a lifelong mission.
00:28:15.400I don't think, I don't think gender ideology is something that's going to be completely removed from society.
00:28:20.380I think it's something that's going to require constant work.
00:28:23.100But I am very hopeful at all the things we're seeing in America, where there is a bunch of states banning sex change surgeries for minors, removing gender ideology from schools, banning sexual adult-themed shows and public nudity in front of children.
00:28:43.260So, when that happens, I'm obviously very hopeful, but there's, I mean, we're nowhere near done.
00:29:16.580I don't think that they actually have a plan for what happens next.
00:29:20.940I think that they just are so anti-the West that they're going to be anti-anything that is normal, anti-anything that is traditional and conservative.
00:29:35.300And they want destruction and chaos because that's what they thrive off of.
00:29:42.020And they are doing that through this whole trans agenda.
00:31:35.540We can't be sharing every single thing we come across.
00:31:40.360And I have hundreds of messages that I wasn't ever able to share from parents across the country.
00:31:50.320And I obviously do a lot of research into this topic.
00:31:53.380And it is a thousand times worse than anyone even realizes that it's worse than I can ever even have time to discuss and to post about.
00:32:06.320So I think it has to be completely destroyed.
00:32:08.840Speaking of things that are fundamentally broken, TikTok itself, you know, obviously you rose to prominence by showing people what's happening on TikTok.
00:32:16.740And first of all, why was this such a revelation to people?
00:32:21.180Like, why are people still surprised by what you pull from TikTok, given that it's a massive platform, one of the biggest in the world?
00:33:33.820How do you, how would you recommend a parent goes about, you know, shielding their kids from this sort of toxic nonsense that they get on platforms like TikTok?
00:33:49.480So, I don't know if I feel totally comfortable giving advice to parents.
00:33:54.120But if I did have children, when I do have children, I would not let them have cell phones or social media until they're probably in their late teens.
00:34:04.540I just don't think there's a reason for it.
00:34:07.000And social media, as we see, is destroying children.
00:34:11.660And what about, do you think TikTok should be banned?