The Matt Walsh Show - Matt Walsh and @LibsofTikTok Creator Chaya Raichik On Being Attacked By Leftists

00:00:00.000 I just delivered an ethics complaint to your office because you're a lot of us going to come in here.

00:00:03.960 Oh, no, actually.

00:00:05.740 I never inspired about her.

00:00:07.260 No, you're actually super transphobic and I never need your space with you.

00:00:11.200 Thank you.

00:00:11.980 There's so much more and I was like, I just, I need to disseminate this.

00:00:16.300 Like this, it's just so bizarre and dangerous.

00:00:21.100 You have the strength within yourself to stand up for the truth.

00:00:26.360 And just about the time that you feel like giving up is exactly the time that you need to fight back harder.

00:00:34.600 All right.

00:00:35.300 Happy to be joined today by Chaya Reichik, who, of course, runs the account Libs of TikTok.

00:00:41.000 And Chaya, I know that I am definitely mispronouncing your name, aren't I, to start with?

00:00:47.380 It's pronounced Haya, but whatever works.

00:00:50.660 Haya?

00:00:51.280 So is Haya fine?

00:00:53.360 So it's from the throat.

00:00:54.880 It's like.

00:00:56.360 It's Haya.

00:00:57.700 Well.

00:00:57.960 But I'm not a Lib.

00:00:59.620 I'm not going to have a breakdown if someone done names me.

00:01:02.300 So don't worry.

00:01:03.540 Okay.

00:01:04.120 So don't take it personally.

00:01:05.540 Infamously, I am too stupid to pronounce almost anyone's name at all.

00:01:09.620 So now we've communicated behind the scenes quite a bit over the last couple of years.

00:01:14.980 It's the first time that you've, that we've done any kind of interview.

00:01:18.760 And so I'm interested to kind of want to talk about things that are happening, obviously, right now.

00:01:23.160 But I'd be interested to go back first to get a little bit of your background.

00:01:28.800 Like, how did you, you know, you started, of course, with the account Libs of TikTok.

00:01:32.780 Why did you decide to first open up that account?

00:01:38.000 And what did you envision it would become?

00:01:40.920 I can't imagine that you thought it'd be as big as it turned out to be.

00:01:43.980 No, I never envisioned this.

00:01:47.760 That's for sure.

00:01:48.760 So I started during COVID because I couldn't work anymore at my job.

00:01:54.420 We were locked in our homes, basically.

00:01:57.280 I was in California at the time.

00:01:59.080 So it was pretty, pretty draconian.

00:02:01.440 We literally, I did not leave my house for weeks on end.

00:02:05.140 And I was never really into politics so much.

00:02:10.060 And that's when I started getting interested and paying attention because we had, there

00:02:16.260 was people making decisions for us, telling us we can't leave our homes or work.

00:02:20.780 And I'm just like, what's going on?

00:02:23.160 Like, so I started, I, so I opened a Twitter account then and I started just paying attention,

00:02:29.380 reading up, listening to, to podcasts and, and watching the news and, and reading books

00:02:36.380 and all that stuff.

00:02:38.040 And then I started noticing that all of these videos would go viral on Twitter about COVID

00:02:44.580 mainly.

00:02:45.200 So it was like those people singing about the vaccines.

00:02:48.300 I'm sure you remember those, the dancing nurses, the people who were basically idolizing

00:02:54.800 Fauci.

00:02:56.020 And I thought it was really funny, obviously entertaining.

00:02:58.720 So I decided to just start sharing those videos.

00:03:02.960 And I mean, I noticed they were from TikTok and I realized they were libs.

00:03:08.200 So I was just like, oh, these are, you know, libs of TikTok.

00:03:11.460 And that, that was it.

00:03:13.320 It was, and that's how it was born.

00:03:14.940 Just one day out of the blue.

00:03:16.940 And how long did it take, how long did it take before the account really kind of caught

00:03:20.920 on and was going viral consistently?

00:03:23.680 Or was it, or was it sort of right away?

00:03:25.080 Because to me, it feels like it, it just, you just kind of popped on the scene and were

00:03:29.500 viral almost immediately.

00:03:31.140 Is that, is that how quickly it, it went?

00:03:34.480 Yeah.

00:03:34.920 Literally within a couple of months, um, because I started sharing other types of content.

00:03:38.980 So while I'm on TikTok and I'm trying to find those funny COVID videos, I started seeing

00:03:44.500 these videos of these like teachers who were talking about, uh, grooming their students

00:03:49.280 and telling toddlers that they could be another gender. 0.95

00:03:51.960 Um, these doctors were bragging about giving surgeries to young people who felt they can

00:03:57.980 be the opposite sex. 0.61

00:03:58.940 And I was just like, this is like, really, this is wrong.

00:04:02.840 So I, I knew I wanted to share that.

00:04:05.700 I didn't think at the time, um, I felt like Americans weren't really aware of how bad the

00:04:12.180 situation had become with the, the trans movement.

00:04:15.680 So I started sharing those and that's really when, um, it started going really viral.

00:04:20.720 Um, it took, it took a couple months.

00:04:23.540 It was, it was pretty quickly.

00:04:24.820 You said that, uh, you, you back in COVID, you couldn't do your job anymore.

00:04:29.000 What, what was your job?

00:04:31.060 So I was a real estate agent part-time and then I also worked in an office, um, in Brooklyn

00:04:36.300 and both of those were just shut down.

00:04:39.820 And at this point, I guess for a while now you've been full-time journalist essentially,

00:04:45.380 right?

00:04:46.460 Yeah.

00:04:47.680 And this, I guess it was, uh, over a year ago now when you were first doxxed by, that

00:04:54.760 was the Washington Post, right?

00:04:55.840 That doxxed you initially?

00:04:57.340 Yeah.

00:04:57.740 Taylor the Rams.

00:04:58.700 Yeah.

00:04:59.080 What was that like behind, behind the scenes?

00:05:00.920 Because you, you know, to go from many of us, myself included, of course, have dealt

00:05:05.940 with, uh, being, you know, attacked by, by the media, but I imagine it's got to, it's,

00:05:10.820 it's, it's a sort of different experience when you're anonymous and then sort of suddenly

00:05:17.200 that's taken away from you in this really malicious, um, doxxing attempt.

00:05:21.040 So what was that like for you?

00:05:22.960 Yeah.

00:05:23.360 So not just was I anonymous for about a year doing this, but me personally, I'm also a

00:05:29.380 very private person and that's why they, they weren't really able to find information or

00:05:34.100 photos of me online because I never shared that, um, in my private life.

00:05:38.160 I'm very private.

00:05:39.040 I don't share a lot of personal things.

00:05:40.960 Um, and that's how I grew up and, um, to suddenly become, uh, have my name published in these

00:05:50.780 massive newspapers.

00:05:51.960 It just like, it turned my whole world upside down because I never wanted this.

00:05:57.100 I, I mean, I never would have wanted to be famous or to be, um, someone who's spoken

00:06:01.780 about in public or in the media.

00:06:03.640 Um, it's not in my nature at all.

00:06:06.800 And, um, I will say though, that probably a couple months or weeks before I was off,

00:06:13.460 I kind of started getting the feeling.

00:06:15.440 I'm like, I think I'm like making a difference.

00:06:18.240 And there are some big people who are noticing what I'm doing.

00:06:21.860 So it's probably a matter of time till, till someone tries to track down who I am.

00:06:27.680 So I kind of was like dreading when that was going to happen.

00:06:32.340 Um, and then of course it did, it did happen.

00:06:36.080 Um, and I mean, it was the most chaotic week of my life, obviously, um, I had to go into

00:06:42.320 hiding.

00:06:43.220 Um, there was also a lot of uncertainty, like, were people going to show up to my door?

00:06:49.340 Um, were they going to try to come hurt me?

00:06:51.860 Um, or would they go hurt my family, my parents?

00:06:54.520 Um, what, what would they find about me online?

00:06:56.620 Like I had no idea what was going to happen.

00:06:58.400 So, um, and of course there was no photos of me until months later.

00:07:02.420 So there was, it was like that constant, um, like living in suspense.

00:07:06.100 Like what, what's the first photo going to be?

00:07:08.140 Are they going to find me?

00:07:08.960 Are they going to find, um, pictures of me?

00:07:11.540 Are they going to follow me reporters?

00:07:13.380 Like who knows?

00:07:14.380 So it was, it was really scary.

00:07:17.000 Since that time, have you been able to kind of get back to living a somewhat normal life?

00:07:21.100 Or has this totally changed your life on a day-to-day basis?

00:07:26.300 Um, I would say I live a pretty normal life.

00:07:28.880 I, I pretty much do this all day, every day, 24 seven.

00:07:33.020 Um, I, I get recognized sometimes in public, um, but I, I, I don't make a big deal of it.

00:07:39.620 I never, I never tell people who I am until, until unless someone knows or mentions it.

00:07:44.900 Like I don't go around talking about it all the time.

00:07:47.540 So I, I try to, um, I try to live a normal life and kind of separate, um, lives with TikTok from my personal life.

00:07:55.560 Have you had any negative, uh, in-person interactions with anybody?

00:08:00.240 Anybody that knows who you are, doesn't like you and yells at you or anything like that?

00:08:05.620 Actually, not really.

00:08:06.900 No.

00:08:07.580 Yeah.

00:08:07.880 It's a, it, people think that I have, it, for me, it happens, it's happened like not counting college campuses.

00:08:13.560 It's probably happened three times, uh, in my whole career.

00:08:17.320 So it's, which I guess, which just kind of shows you that these people are, you know, cowards, obviously.

00:08:23.320 Right.

00:08:23.840 I was going to say, yeah, they're keyword warriors.

00:08:27.220 And especially, I mean, you go out, like you said, college campuses there.

00:08:32.360 I know there's always a lot of protesting and really hateful people there who are opposed to any kind of other opinions.

00:08:39.500 Um, but I, I've actually never spoken on a college campus.

00:08:43.300 Um, but yeah, I think people have this like notion that, you know, we, we, we go to the store and we're just harassed always.

00:08:51.000 And, and we go, we live our lives and we're just harassed constantly by leftists.

00:08:54.940 But the reality is that these people are cowards.

00:08:58.380 Have you, uh, thought about doing any college speaking?

00:09:02.600 I have.

00:09:03.300 Yeah.

00:09:03.500 I've gotten, um, I, I've been in touch with a couple different, um, organizations and campuses.

00:09:10.360 It just hasn't worked out yet, but I think, um, hopefully soon I do plan on doing that.

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00:10:12.320 I think for people, especially someone on the outside, maybe if they're just becoming familiar with you and what you do, they might be surprised that you attract as much vitriol as you do from the left, given that most of what you do is simply you're taking content other people have already posted publicly online and you're sharing it.

00:10:34.620 It's already been shared and you're just saying, hey, look at this.

00:10:37.020 Why do you think the left views you in particular as such a threat?

00:10:43.460 So there's a few reasons.

00:10:45.600 Number one, obviously, they understand and they realize that their views don't hold up to scrutiny.

00:10:53.460 And when you're just sharing it in their own words, like this is what they themselves are doing.

00:10:58.160 This is what they're saying.

00:10:59.020 These are the beliefs that they hold, you know, without really any commentary or opinion.

00:11:03.300 And they realize that they sound insane.

00:11:07.300 And like I said, they don't hold up.

00:11:09.000 So it's a really big part to them.

00:11:11.200 The other thing is, I think there's this, the way that most kind of like journalists and commentators have done things, maybe up until recently, is I feel like they tried to keep it more polite.

00:11:28.920 And this is what I appreciate about you a lot, Matt, as well.

00:11:31.580 I feel like both of us, like we just don't care what they think of us.

00:11:34.920 Like we will just say exactly what we want and we'll say it as we see it.

00:11:40.380 We're not afraid to be called names.

00:11:42.980 We're not afraid to be trolled or to troll them.

00:11:46.100 And I think that, um, that really bothers them a lot because like, like they called you like transfer of the year, right?

00:11:55.680 You, you won transfer of the year.

00:11:57.440 I was kind of jealous by the way, but hopefully I'll win this year.

00:12:00.400 And it's like, and what do they want you to do?

00:12:03.640 Like, they want you to just like shut down your operation.

00:12:06.380 Like, I'm so sad.

00:12:07.380 I'm going to cry.

00:12:08.040 I was called transfer of the year, but like, no, we don't respond like that.

00:12:11.340 Like we just hit it right back at them.

00:12:13.020 And I think they're, they're, they're not so used to that.

00:12:16.620 You said, uh, you know, we don't care what, what people say.

00:12:19.560 I'll say for me, certainly at this point and for a while now that that is certainly true of me that I, I quite literally don't care what any of these people say about me at all.

00:12:31.020 Well, that wasn't always the case for me.

00:12:33.380 I mean, I, I think when I first got into any position of like presenting my ideas in public at first getting dogpiled by people

00:12:42.640 and being accused, called all these names that aren't true, it's like, it did bother me.

00:12:45.940 I think it's, I think it's natural.

00:12:47.620 It's like, it's a natural human reaction to be bothered when people hate you.

00:12:52.960 Um, I think.

00:12:54.800 And for me, it seems like over time, it's just been this, uh, it's just kind of this numbing effect.

00:13:00.520 It just doesn't matter anymore.

00:13:01.540 So have you got, are you, are you that numb now to it or did you immediately jump in and you didn't care?

00:13:07.160 Was there any kind of similar process of having to learn not to care what people say?

00:13:12.940 Yeah, I think for a lot of people, there probably is a process of learning how to deal with all the hate.

00:13:18.540 Um, I got over it very, very quickly.

00:13:21.440 Maybe it was a natural, um, I guess I just realized right away that these people were insane.

00:13:27.140 I also, like I said, I was never really involved in politics.

00:13:30.260 So I didn't, I'm like, I'm kind of like an outsider and I just come in, I'm sharing videos and these people are hating on me.

00:13:36.540 And I'm just like, like, I don't know what you're doing.

00:13:39.160 I don't care about you.

00:13:40.120 I don't care what you say.

00:13:41.180 I know what I'm doing is right.

00:13:42.480 And that's just what keeps me, you know, um, motivated and what keeps me, um, what, what enables me to just continue doing it without, um, without thinking of what the haters are going to say and how they're going to react.

00:13:56.020 Do you think that's the health, because this is what I'm always trying to figure out about myself is, uh, because when people always ask me, how do you deal with the, how do you deal with all the hate?

00:14:04.280 And I kind of give the answer I just gave, uh, but I'm not sure it's, I don't know.

00:14:09.640 I don't always know what to recommend to other people about, well, how do they deal with it?

00:14:12.480 Because I don't know that simply not caring what anyone thinks is the healthiest psychological state for a human being.

00:14:20.800 There's something about it that feels kind of unhuman.

00:14:23.660 Uh, but at the same time, I don't know how you function these days.

00:14:27.660 If you do care, because that will be used against you and you'll be easily manipulated.

00:14:32.120 So do you, is it, how do you, what do you, what do you say to people when they ask you a similar question?

00:14:36.860 If they ask for a recommendation, like how do they deal with it?

00:14:39.440 What do you tell them?

00:14:41.440 I tell them to ignore it.

00:14:43.840 And if we're being really honest, there obviously are some days that are difficult.

00:14:48.780 And there are times where, um, where sometimes it could get to me, which is normal.

00:14:54.420 If, if that wasn't the case, then I wouldn't be human.

00:14:57.620 Um, so I, my policy generally is to ignore them.

00:15:03.300 Um, if there's something like, especially egregious, then I'll respond to it.

00:15:07.240 Um, or if it's someone who, someone like Taylor to run, like I'll never care what she says about me ever, will never bother me.

00:15:17.480 And I'm always happy to troll her, um, and to, and to have back and forth with her on Twitter.

00:15:23.800 Um, but yeah, I would say just ignore it.

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00:16:40.920 And when it comes to the things that might, for me even still, if there is anything that can still bother me a bit, it's, as you say, it's not names or you're a bigot or transphobe.

00:16:52.120 Who cares about that?

00:16:53.320 But it's when you're accused of something that just simply isn't true, that can still, I think if you're a human being, that bothers you because you value integrity.

00:17:03.180 And when you encounter people who don't have any integrity, it's frustrating, even still, no matter how used to it you are.

00:17:10.440 So on that note, you've been blamed, including recently, but many times over for bomb threats and death threats and so on to schools and hospitals that mutilate kids and all that.

00:17:25.260 Well, first of all, in general, how do you respond to those sorts of accusations?

00:17:30.340 Yeah, so I was just going to bring that up because even when they blame us for things that are just completely not true, right, like just malicious lying, it doesn't bother you when it starts getting to the point of where it's like you're getting blamed for this just like constantly.

00:17:51.520 You expect it already.

00:17:52.460 You know what's going to happen.

00:17:53.640 And that's kind of what happened with the bomb threats.

00:17:55.620 The first time I got blamed for bomb threats was over a year ago about that was with Boston Children's Hospital.

00:18:03.380 And I remember that day.

00:18:05.520 It was actually the day I met with Tucker and I was I was with Tucker and I was really stressed out.

00:18:10.620 And it really bothered me because I was like, I obviously bomb threats are horrible.

00:18:17.240 Anyone who calls in a bomb threat should be arrested and charged.

00:18:20.680 And I would never, you know, I would never condone any type of violence or threat.

00:18:28.440 And I was getting blamed for this threat at a children's hospital.

00:18:31.240 And it was just it was it was horrible.

00:18:33.160 And I was I was feeling I was feeling very anxious about it.

00:18:38.240 And.

00:18:38.720 And and obviously now looking back, I realized it was just one of their tactics to try to undermine me.

00:18:47.000 Right.

00:18:47.660 And to destroy my credibility, because if they're able to kind of frame you as this violent, dangerous person who loves violence and bomb threats, then that's how they could try to like censor you, silence you and cancel you.

00:19:04.940 So at this point, it does not bother me at all.

00:19:09.740 I mean, they blame me for bomb threats probably weekly or multiple times a week sometimes.

00:19:15.860 And I'm just like, I know what they're doing.

00:19:19.700 I know what their strategy is.

00:19:22.200 And it does not bother me in the least bit.

00:19:25.260 I know that I've never called for violence.

00:19:26.880 I know that I've specifically called for these bomb threats to be investigated, for people to be arrested.

00:19:33.940 So, you know, the they can call me whatever they want.

00:19:37.740 It can make up whatever story they want.

00:19:39.480 But at this point, it doesn't bother me at all.

00:19:41.320 Isn't there also kind of a weird, almost admission that goes on when the left says, well, you can't talk about this because that's going to lead to bomb threats.

00:19:51.380 It's almost like what they are saying is that this thing is so horrific that if you talk about it, it will encourage people to lash out violently, even if you're not encouraging that.

00:20:03.840 I've always found it to be just the very, the whole talking point about bomb threats to me kind of carries with it this admission of the horror of what they're doing, for example, to children in these hospitals.

00:20:17.260 Yeah, and in general, the whole like stochastic terrorism thing, the whole charge, it just makes absolutely no sense because they're basically saying you're only allowed to report or discuss certain topics that we approve of, right?

00:20:37.220 Because if there's, if there's anything, if you're discussing something that we don't like, then, you know, there's going to be, there's going to be this threat, and then you're not allowed to talk about it.

00:20:48.340 They basically want to preemptively ban you from speaking.

00:20:51.620 And I actually spoke about this with a journalist at USA Today, and I asked him, I said, you know, you're going to publish an article about me, how I'm responsible for bomb threats.

00:21:00.660 And, you know, I'm going to get some death threats after that.

00:21:04.880 So, is that your fault?

00:21:07.740 And he basically said no.

00:21:10.000 And he was trying to get me to agree to start putting disclaimers on all my tweets saying, please don't call in a bomb threat just because I'm posting about this.

00:21:18.700 And I said, well, will you put a disclaimer in your article and not to send me death threats just because you're reporting on me?

00:21:23.640 And he said no.

00:21:24.540 So, I found that to be very telling, and I think, I mean, obviously, no matter how egregious the content is, bomb threats are bad.

00:21:37.100 But they, like you said, like, they're not even talking about the content.

00:21:40.680 They're not talking about what led to these bomb threats.

00:21:44.080 By the way, these bomb threats might not even be real.

00:21:46.400 I have yet to see, I mean, I think I saw one police report total from all these bomb threats they've laid me on.

00:21:51.160 We filed FOIAs, we haven't gotten anything yet.

00:21:54.020 So, when I say bomb threats, it's really in, like, quotes because we don't even know if they're real.

00:21:59.920 But, yeah, they leave out the context.

00:22:02.980 They leave out the content.

00:22:05.000 Like, you know, what was the bomb threat in a reaction to?

00:22:09.160 But they obviously never show that information.

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00:23:24.540 And that's a very good, that's a good thing to note that, of course, we're saying bomb threats.

00:23:30.040 Just imagine the air quotes around it because, I mean, I will, I'm not saying this is your view.

00:23:34.800 I don't know if it is or not, but I will go so far as to say that I'm quite sure, in fact, that a large number of them are not coming from the right.

00:23:42.940 And the reason that I know that is, number one, the left has a very well-established propensity for faking these kinds of things.

00:23:52.060 And number two, it obviously does not advance the cause, the right's cause at all.

00:23:58.800 So, like, of course, morally, calling it a bomb threat is terrible.

00:24:02.920 That's why you shouldn't do it.

00:24:04.720 Also, if you actually are on the right and you're concerned about these things happening to kids, calling in a bomb threat obviously is not going to do anything but hurt your cause.

00:24:14.760 And so you might have people that are crazy and stupid enough to do it anyway.

00:24:17.360 But anytime something is happening on, like, a general scale, you have to look at, like, well, who does this benefit?

00:24:23.420 And so, well, probably they have something to do with it if it benefits them.

00:24:27.900 Yeah, 100% agreed.

00:24:29.360 So, you know, you seem, moving from there, talking about, you know, these hospitals and what they're doing to kids, you seem to focus, like I do, on culture issues, trans ideology being one of the big ones.

00:24:44.340 So, I know you mentioned when you first got into it, you were kind of, a lot of the content was about COVID, obviously that, we're pretending that never happened now, the COVID lockdowns.

00:24:54.860 But why do you focus on these issues?

00:24:58.140 Like, trans ideology in particular, why do you think that that's such an important issue?

00:25:02.540 So, for starters, when I first started out, there was not really anyone talking about it.

00:25:10.880 I mean, you were speaking about it.

00:25:14.160 Abigail Schreier had written a book about it.

00:25:16.260 But it wasn't really something that was discussed daily in conservative news.

00:25:21.820 And I started seeing it from, like, the TikTok perspective.

00:25:26.460 And I was absolutely horrified.

00:25:29.260 I mean, I think the shock factor of how far this actually went and how damaging it actually is, that really propelled me to start focusing on it a lot.

00:25:40.560 And the fact that no one in America even seemed to know.

00:25:44.320 So, it was kind of like a, it was a massive shock to me.

00:25:49.300 And like I said, I wasn't into politics before.

00:25:51.680 So, this was all new to me.

00:25:53.160 And I was just like, I can't believe this is happening and no one's talking about it.

00:25:58.040 So, I started talking about that a lot.

00:26:00.840 And obviously, now it's national conversation, you know, many bills being signed all over the country to protect children.

00:26:09.380 But I think, also, if we don't, first of all, it is, it's dangerous.

00:26:19.320 It's physically dangerous, what they're doing to children.

00:26:22.940 Obviously, mentally, emotionally, they're destroying children.

00:26:25.780 And I think that when it comes to kids, obviously, we need to do everything we can to protect kids.

00:26:31.980 That's something that everybody agreed on up until a couple of years ago.

00:26:35.860 So, you know, when you're going to come for children, there's going to be backlash.

00:26:41.580 You're not going to be able to get away with it.

00:26:43.840 So, I think a combination of those things really got me to want to focus on it.

00:26:51.220 And then, also, the future of our country.

00:26:53.280 If we don't have, if our next generation is completely messed up, they're all just confused about their identity, they're grooming our kids, they're indoctrinating our kids, they're teaching them to hate America, to hate themselves, to hate everything, to hate whites, to hate the West.

00:27:09.400 We're not going to have a future.

00:27:10.740 We're not going to have a country.

00:27:11.740 And that's scary.

00:27:12.580 You point out that it was only a few years ago that there were very few people on the right even talking about this.

00:27:20.400 I remember that quite vividly.

00:27:23.880 And then you had those on the right that if they did talk about it, it was only to say that we shouldn't talk about it because it's a sideshow distraction.

00:27:30.820 And now that has changed considerably.

00:27:32.440 So, how do you assess the state of the culture war when it comes specifically to trans ideology and the trans issue?

00:27:41.280 Do you think that we are, would you go far enough to say that we're winning right now?

00:27:45.720 How do you score it?

00:27:47.900 I would say we are, we're winning more than we're losing.

00:27:53.360 There's so much more work to do.

00:27:55.640 So, we're nowhere near done.

00:27:57.940 And we're also, it's not stagnant, right?

00:28:01.800 Because the left keeps making new things up.

00:28:04.020 They're moving over to the window.

00:28:05.160 So, we constantly have to keep up with it.

00:28:06.860 So, I think this is going to be a lifelong project, a lifelong mission.

00:28:15.400 I don't think, I don't think gender ideology is something that's going to be completely removed from society.

00:28:20.380 I think it's something that's going to require constant work.

00:28:23.100 But I am very hopeful at all the things we're seeing in America, where there is a bunch of states banning sex change surgeries for minors, removing gender ideology from schools, banning sexual adult-themed shows and public nudity in front of children.

00:28:43.260 So, when that happens, I'm obviously very hopeful, but there's, I mean, we're nowhere near done.

00:28:51.540 There's so much more to do.

00:28:53.660 What do you think the left gets out of this stuff?

00:28:55.740 Why are they so dead set on trans, LGBT?

00:29:00.420 Why is it so important to them?

00:29:01.760 I think that they, first of all, they hate America.

00:29:08.060 They hate our values.

00:29:09.640 They hate our tradition.

00:29:10.980 They hate what we were founded on.

00:29:13.640 And I always say this.

00:29:16.580 I don't think that they actually have a plan for what happens next.

00:29:20.940 I think that they just are so anti-the West that they're going to be anti-anything that is normal, anti-anything that is traditional and conservative.

00:29:35.300 And they want destruction and chaos because that's what they thrive off of.

00:29:42.020 And they are doing that through this whole trans agenda.

00:29:47.960 That's what I think.

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00:30:47.880 You'll often post videos of public school teachers like waving the rainbow flag and stuff like that.

00:30:53.080 And with a caption that says, this is an ad for homeschooling or this is why you should homeschool.

00:30:58.960 Obviously, most people know I'm a big advocate for homeschooling myself.

00:31:01.820 Do you think that the public school system, based on everything that you've seen, is it hopelessly broken?

00:31:10.620 Is it salvageable at all at this point?

00:31:15.000 I don't think so.

00:31:16.220 I think it has to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground.

00:31:19.460 It's like, and I always say this as well in all my interviews, it is so much worse than anyone realizes.

00:31:26.540 I mean, I'm like, I'm one person.

00:31:28.440 I have an account.

00:31:29.300 I post a bunch of posts a day.

00:31:31.220 You post about this stuff.

00:31:32.880 There are other accounts that post about it.

00:31:34.500 But we're limited.

00:31:35.540 We can't be sharing every single thing we come across.

00:31:40.360 And I have hundreds of messages that I wasn't ever able to share from parents across the country.

00:31:50.320 And I obviously do a lot of research into this topic.

00:31:53.380 And it is a thousand times worse than anyone even realizes that it's worse than I can ever even have time to discuss and to post about.

00:32:06.320 So I think it has to be completely destroyed.

00:32:08.840 Speaking of things that are fundamentally broken, TikTok itself, you know, obviously you rose to prominence by showing people what's happening on TikTok.

00:32:16.740 And first of all, why was this such a revelation to people?

00:32:21.180 Like, why are people still surprised by what you pull from TikTok, given that it's a massive platform, one of the biggest in the world?

00:32:28.660 Millions of our kids are on it.

00:32:30.080 Not my kids, but millions of kids are on it.

00:32:32.180 So, and yet, what's happening there seems to almost be a secret until someone reports on it outside of that platform.

00:32:42.220 How do you explain that?

00:32:44.000 I think it's probably just willful ignorance.

00:32:47.400 I think everyone is very well aware of what TikTok is and what it's doing.

00:32:52.740 And obviously, I believe it's a Chinese psyop. 0.95

00:32:58.120 It's meant to destroy America, to destroy our youth. 0.98

00:33:00.760 Everyone's aware with their algorithms, how they feed anti-American content.

00:33:06.400 Just last week, they were promoting Osama Bin Laden and they made that trend where people were justifying 9-11.

00:33:17.020 So I think everyone is very well aware of what TikTok is, but they are choosing not to.

00:33:25.040 They are choosing to play dumb and to not address it.

00:33:29.340 How do you, I'm sure you get this question from parents sometimes.

00:33:32.520 I know I get it all the time.

00:33:33.820 How do you, how would you recommend a parent goes about, you know, shielding their kids from this sort of toxic nonsense that they get on platforms like TikTok?

00:33:44.880 So, I don't have children yet.

00:33:49.480 So, I don't know if I feel totally comfortable giving advice to parents.

00:33:54.120 But if I did have children, when I do have children, I would not let them have cell phones or social media until they're probably in their late teens.

00:34:04.540 I just don't think there's a reason for it.

00:34:07.000 And social media, as we see, is destroying children.

00:34:11.660 And what about, do you think TikTok should be banned?

00:34:16.400 Yeah, 100%.

00:34:17.580 What do you say to the counter arguments to that, that it's government overreach, so on and so forth?

00:34:25.180 I think it got to a point where it's actually dangerous and it will actually save lives if it's banned.

00:34:39.320 Besides for all the security risks, obviously, I'm not even getting into that.

00:34:44.920 But, you know, the Chinese have all our data. 1.00

00:34:46.640 But just for our youth, I think it will actually save lives.

00:34:53.160 Do you think, going back to the, this applies to many of the issues, but going back specifically to the trans issue for a minute,

00:34:59.420 we look at all the kind of delivery mechanisms for this social contagion.

00:35:04.760 There's the media, Hollywood, pop culture, you know, the school system, and then social media.

00:35:11.440 Do you think social media is the primary culprit?

00:35:14.440 Like, if social media didn't exist, would we be looking at the same, would this issue basically not exist?

00:35:20.180 I don't think it wouldn't exist, but I don't think it would be at such a big scale.

00:35:24.600 I think it probably did exist before TikTok.

00:35:29.380 I mean, it did exist before TikTok.

00:35:31.380 It existed for a while before Instagram really got big and Snapchat.

00:35:39.980 I think it did exist, and I think it always will.

00:35:44.440 But I think social media just makes it worse.

00:35:47.580 It also gives, I mean, right, like it gives kids, well, obviously it's a delivery mechanism for these ideas,

00:35:53.940 but it also gives them this whole sort of world, this universe that they kind of have to themselves

00:36:01.140 that their parents are not aware of and don't have access to.

00:36:04.840 It's kind of what I was getting at with the TikTok thing, that it's this massive platform,

00:36:07.700 but most adults aren't on it.

00:36:09.900 And so there's this whole kind of culture on TikTok that kids are participating in

00:36:16.360 and that their parents are completely excluded from.

00:36:22.060 Yeah.

00:36:22.300 I think, and that's why, like when I have children, I mean, who knows what's going to be in 20 years,

00:36:29.980 but I would not allow them to have social media.

00:36:33.660 And I do think, though, that even without it, the left and these groomers and activists,

00:36:41.840 they're so vile that they'll find a way.

00:36:47.460 And I mean, just look at the schools, for example.

00:36:51.300 The stuff I'm posting about had been in schools for a long time.

00:36:55.240 It's just nobody knew because they didn't have TikTok.

00:36:57.660 They're always going to come after our children.

00:36:59.840 They're always going to have this agenda.

00:37:01.240 And even in schools, they are creating that same environment that you were just describing,

00:37:09.600 where they're like, your parents are not here.

00:37:12.740 We have your child's attention for however many hours,

00:37:17.860 and we can sort of impart to them whatever message we want.

00:37:22.660 And so with social media, you have that kind of experience just on a phone,

00:37:28.460 but you also have that experience in real life.

00:37:31.480 Our kids are having that experience when they go to school,

00:37:33.380 sometimes when they go to the doctor, or any kind of like trust, you know,

00:37:39.840 what they call like a trusted adult, because, you know, these groomers are in families.

00:37:44.800 They could be anywhere.

00:37:46.000 That's what I wrote a book about this.

00:37:48.900 But so I think, yeah, I think it will always be there.

00:37:52.360 And social media is just another avenue.

00:37:54.720 And it's definitely making it worse.

00:37:56.080 Well, we're running out of time, but thanks for talking to us,

00:38:02.480 but also for all the work that you do.

00:38:04.460 As you know, I think you're one of the most important journalists in the country

00:38:07.660 and have been for years now.

00:38:10.400 Before you go, how can people, aside from Twitter, obviously,

00:38:14.400 how can people find you and find your work?

00:38:17.940 So we are on livesatiktok.com.

00:38:20.840 We have some articles there, and we have a newsletter.

00:38:23.160 And then I wrote a kid's book, which basically teaches children how to spot red flags

00:38:29.040 from groomer adults who can try to, will try to, you know, cut out the parent

00:38:34.300 and confuse your child.

00:38:37.540 And that can be found on lottbook.com.

00:38:40.880 Awesome.

00:38:41.980 Chaya Rejcik.

00:38:43.240 I said it right that time, right?

00:38:44.040 Yeah.

00:38:44.480 There we go.

00:38:44.900 I got it.

00:38:45.100 Yeah, good job.

00:38:46.580 Thanks a lot.

00:38:48.220 Thank you.

00:38:48.920 It was a pleasure.

00:38:49.400 Thank you.

00:38:49.520 Thank you.

00:38:49.600 Thank you.

00:38:49.620 Thank you.

00:38:49.700 Thank you.

00:38:49.720 Thank you.

00:38:49.740 Thank you.

00:38:49.800 Thank you.

The Matt Walsh Show - December 01, 2023

Matt Walsh and @LibsofTikTok Creator Chaya Raichik On Being Attacked By Leftists

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