The Matt Walsh Show - April 21, 2025


Matt Walsh Roasts Bad Feminist Takes

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Feminists are in a difficult position. They ve insisted for many years that they don t need a man, that they re a bunch of girl bosses, large and in charge. But how can a feminist woman be empowered while still being a materialistic, cheap ass? Is it possible to be a strong, independent woman without also having to pay for dinner?

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00:00:00.000 In recent times, feminists have started to grapple with a very difficult question. 1.00
00:00:10.380 As we all know, feminism is a layered and nuanced ideology that always finds itself 1.00
00:00:14.280 at the forefront of the most important and challenging discussions of the day.
00:00:18.100 So here's the quandary they're dealing with now. 0.99
00:00:20.340 How can a feminist woman be empowered while still being a materialistic cheap ass? 1.00
00:00:26.160 Is it possible to be a strong, independent woman without also having to pay for dinner? 1.00
00:00:31.960 You know, this is the dilemma.
00:00:33.220 It's the great philosophical debate.
00:00:35.360 Feminists are in a difficult position because they've insisted for many years that they don't 1.00
00:00:38.300 need no man, that they're a bunch of girl bosses, large and in charge. 1.00
00:00:41.900 They declare that the old codes of chivalry and patriarchal and paternalistic, you know,
00:00:47.040 are patriarchal and paternalistic and they have to be abolished.
00:00:49.840 They shouted from the mountaintop that they are exactly equal to men, the same as men in
00:00:54.900 every respect, and they certainly don't need a man to take care of them or provide for 0.98
00:00:58.660 them.
00:00:59.200 They have growled and they have shrieked and they have made their voices heard.
00:01:02.980 And then to their horror, many men started to take them seriously.
00:01:08.100 Men listened to these protestations and they said, okay, well, if you say so, as you wish,
00:01:15.220 you can have what you want.
00:01:16.620 Which means, among other things, that when the bill is put down on the table, many men will
00:01:20.560 not instinctively reach for it anymore.
00:01:22.140 They will let the independent girl boss pay the tab or at least pay half of it. 1.00
00:01:27.580 But feminists have recoiled at this development. 1.00
00:01:31.500 No, they cry.
00:01:32.500 We want to be independent, but not like this.
00:01:36.240 Not if it means I have to pay for my own Santa Fe salad at Chili's.
00:01:40.460 But how do they make this case?
00:01:41.880 Can they really become a damsel in distress as soon as the bill is placed on the table and
00:01:46.020 then get right back to being empowered and progressive a few minutes later?
00:01:49.260 How does that work?
00:01:49.900 Well, different feminists have come up with different ways of grappling with this important 1.00
00:01:55.380 question.
00:01:55.940 Here's one influencer on TikTok giving her answer.
00:01:59.740 Watch.
00:02:00.820 The thing that I have realized about this topic is that there are so many women that really 0.99
00:02:06.860 do advocate for not going 50-50, right?
00:02:09.500 And for me, I definitely went through like my, well, I'm a feminist.
00:02:16.680 I shouldn't have an issue going 50-50 face, right?
00:02:19.400 When I was younger.
00:02:20.520 But recently I started to realize just how difficult it was accepting going 50-50 with men.
00:02:27.820 And I have come to the realization that it is because even as a feminist, it is the only 0.96
00:02:34.800 benefit women reap out of the patriarchy. 0.96
00:02:38.520 A benefit we did not create the rules for.
00:02:42.660 Y'all did.
00:02:44.180 But it is still a benefit that women get from the patriarchy. 1.00
00:02:49.080 So whenever men start advocating for like, well, what about equality?
00:02:54.420 Pick up this check.
00:02:55.760 Or whatever.
00:02:57.740 And when I hear that, it's like, you're literally trying to rid me of the only benefit I get
00:03:04.640 out of the patriarchy.
00:03:05.680 The only.
00:03:06.560 Like, think about it for a second.
00:03:09.160 Is there any other benefit we get out of the patriarchy?
00:03:13.320 Let me step in there for a moment.
00:03:14.800 I'll answer your question, ma'am. 0.98
00:03:16.060 But first, I have to point out how, by your own logic anyway, this is the most pathetic 0.95
00:03:20.580 stance I've ever seen anyone take. 0.98
00:03:22.760 Because by your telling, we are a patriarchal society.
00:03:26.240 And the patriarchy is an abject evil, you say.
00:03:29.120 And yet you wish to extract whatever benefits you can from it. 0.90
00:03:32.860 This thing is evil and terrible and should be dismantled.
00:03:35.500 But I also want to reap its rewards.
00:03:38.160 This makes you significantly worse than the patriarchal men who, according to you, uphold
00:03:43.240 an oppressive system.
00:03:44.260 But at least, you know, we don't see it as oppressive.
00:03:48.480 You do see it that way.
00:03:50.180 And yet you also uphold it just so that you can get a free meal at the Cheesecake Factory. 0.98
00:03:54.700 So pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it. 0.92
00:03:57.460 But to your question, is there any other benefit that you get out of what you call the patriarchy? 0.99
00:04:05.200 The answer is yes.
00:04:07.200 A few.
00:04:08.160 You know, there are a few.
00:04:10.000 Benefits like, I don't know, the house that you're currently sitting in.
00:04:14.860 Every bridge you've ever driven across.
00:04:17.740 Every car you've ever driven in.
00:04:20.960 Electricity.
00:04:21.900 Indoor plumbing.
00:04:23.220 Democracy.
00:04:23.940 Freedom.
00:04:25.340 Civilization itself.
00:04:26.380 So all of these things were all largely invented, established, built, maintained by societies that you would call patriarchal.
00:04:35.960 So the patriarchy, as you define it, has given you basically everything of value in your entire life.
00:04:42.620 So what else has it given you?
00:04:44.960 Like, everything.
00:04:46.400 Every single thing you like has been given to you by what you would describe as the patriarchy.
00:04:51.760 Other than that, sure, I guess it hasn't done much for you.
00:04:55.640 But TikTok isn't the only place where this debate is raging.
00:04:58.140 Over at the LA Times, they are grappling with the same issue.
00:05:01.400 A new column poses the question this way.
00:05:03.600 Should men pay on dates as reparations for the gender wage gap? 0.98
00:05:07.900 The writer Gene Guerrero explains, quote,
00:05:10.100 For years I split the bill on dates as a Latina from a lineage of women whose lives have been micromanaged by family patriarchs.
00:05:16.560 I thought I was breaking bad generational patterns by interacting with men as equals rather than as providers.
00:05:22.260 But recently I started getting pushback from some of my friends.
00:05:25.240 They argued that because of the persisting gender pay gap, it's actually now properly feminist to expect men to pay on first dates and contribute more financially in relationships. 1.00
00:05:34.980 One friend instructed me, quote, Don't even think about reaching for your purse.
00:05:38.700 The thought of possibly coercing a man into paying for my dinner, however, just seemed wrong.
00:05:43.080 Still, this discussion did make me wonder.
00:05:45.320 Should I expect men to pay on dates as a form of reparations for generational harm? 0.80
00:05:50.900 Yes, the harm, again, of building every home and every bridge and every airplane.
00:05:55.580 You know, that's what men are doing. 1.00
00:05:56.880 Fighting and dying in every war.
00:05:58.660 Keeping all the lights on, etc.
00:06:01.320 Such great harm that men have perpetrated against women.
00:06:04.980 Every society on earth would collapse in like five seconds without men doing all the things that men do. 1.00
00:06:13.660 All the things that men do and that men almost exclusively do, in fact.
00:06:18.900 But all of this somehow amounts to generational harm.
00:06:22.700 That's the argument.
00:06:24.180 But it's not an argument that every feminist buys. 1.00
00:06:26.620 Well, they buy the generational harm thing, but they don't buy that this relates to the issue of who pays at dinner.
00:06:33.320 The article continues, quote,
00:06:34.740 The problem with framing being taken out to dinner by a man as a form of reparations is that it's privately consumed.
00:06:40.620 Juliet Williams, a UCLA gender studies professor, told me.
00:06:44.660 It's not an accounting for injustice in any way that's visible or acknowledged.
00:06:48.820 We have to be careful not to just label anything that's personally advantageous as somehow politically justified.
00:06:53.400 But many women believe that in our unequal times, it's only fair for men to pay, and not just because men still out-earn women. 0.96
00:06:59.820 Women also tend to spend more on date preps, such as makeup and manicures, to meet female beauty standards. 1.00
00:07:04.900 Some women believe men should cover the costs of not only the dates, but transportation to and from. 0.96
00:07:10.160 In a viral TikTok video, LA resident Gabby Faye, 27, says,
00:07:13.500 Now, the writer goes on to examine both sides of this crucial issue.
00:07:31.620 By the end, she's arrived at no particular conclusion.
00:07:34.600 You know, some women say that men should pay in order to make up for our many sins. 0.99
00:07:37.920 Others say that it isn't enough, you know, that the only reason we shouldn't do that is only because it couldn't possibly be enough to assuage our guilt for the patriarchy.
00:07:47.700 And then there are others who point out that women in many cases are doing better financially than men.
00:07:51.620 And so the financial burden should shift over to them in those cases.
00:07:55.040 And nobody is sure what to do.
00:07:56.380 Everyone is very confused.
00:07:57.500 So let me see if I can lend some clarity to the situation.
00:08:04.480 So there are a few things going on here.
00:08:06.520 First, we see the propensity on the left to, in so many cases, dismantle something and then try to recreate kind of a simulacrum of that thing that they just destroyed.
00:08:18.840 So they have no ideas of their own.
00:08:21.040 They have no real vision of any kind.
00:08:23.080 So they often end up plagiarizing the very ideas that they oppose.
00:08:27.500 That's why many feminists have ended up right back where it started, expecting men to pay for dinner. 1.00
00:08:32.360 The difference is that now the reasons behind this expectation, the underlying framework, is flimsy and superficial and ridiculous.
00:08:43.060 So in the past, men paid for dinner because it was considered a man's duty to provide.
00:08:48.360 It was his place.
00:08:49.120 It was his role.
00:08:50.660 There was dignity in it.
00:08:52.280 There was a long tradition behind it.
00:08:53.860 There was the noble and heroic concept of chivalry.
00:08:57.240 You know, all of that went into the fact that a man would clearly pay for dinner.
00:09:03.360 Well, feminism hates everything noble and heroic and masculine and traditional. 1.00
00:09:08.080 So all of that had to go.
00:09:10.040 But it still wants free meals at Bonefish Grill.
00:09:12.520 So the expectations of chivalry were reinstated without the philosophy of chivalry underlying them.
00:09:19.900 So now men are expected to pay, but not for noble and strong and clear and traditional reasons, but for whiny and weak and petty reasons.
00:09:29.020 We went from, it's a man's duty to provide, which is a strong and clear and positive and truly empowering vision of what the sexes are supposed to be doing.
00:09:40.820 To now it's, well, you have to pay to heal my generational trauma, which is unclear and weak and resentful and petty and negative.
00:09:50.320 Feminism uprooted all of the trees from the forest and then tried to put the trees back without the roots. 1.00
00:09:59.400 But they're not trees anymore.
00:10:00.760 They're just big logs sitting precariously on top of the soil.
00:10:03.620 Today the media is running with a poll, which is supposed to show that women are oppressed in the workplace.
00:10:09.260 But instead it manages to prove something else.
00:10:12.160 CNBC reports,
00:10:12.880 There's a major confidence gap between men and women in the workplace, though it might not be in the way that you'd expect.
00:10:17.880 A majority, 64% of women, think that they can do their manager's job better than them, versus 47% of men who believe the same.
00:10:24.940 According to a Monster survey of 6,847 workers conducted on February, that perspective doesn't necessarily reflect that women feel proficient in their jobs,
00:10:32.920 but rather that they feel undervalued and overlooked for management roles.
00:10:36.040 According to Monster career expert Vicky Salemi, tells the CNBC,
00:10:43.740 Women feel they can do their manager's job, she says, but the frustration is, why aren't they given the opportunity to do it? 1.00
00:10:53.400 Why aren't you given the opportunity to do your manager's job?
00:10:55.840 Well, because your manager is doing it.
00:10:58.240 That might be the reason.
00:11:00.020 Do you think your manager should just be fired on the spot so they can try you out for the role?
00:11:03.640 And even if they do, even if they fire your manager and replace him with a woman, 0.92
00:11:08.140 why should you specifically be the woman who takes his place? 0.97
00:11:13.100 Would you be satisfied if another woman was promoted and not you?
00:11:17.180 See, actually, it's a statistical certainty that many of the women who said they could do their manager's job better, 1.00
00:11:22.280 many of them have managers who are women.
00:11:25.580 So if a woman is promoted over a woman, that's an example of sexism against women? 1.00
00:11:30.280 How does this work exactly?
00:11:31.100 See, this is one of the many fundamental problems with the claims of sexism and oppression against women in the workplace.
00:11:37.320 The women who are inclined to make these kinds of complaints will still make them, 1.00
00:11:41.700 even if their management team is already dominated by women, as it is in many companies. 0.92
00:11:47.180 Have you ever known a feminist to say, 1.00
00:11:48.740 well, I didn't get this opportunity, but another woman did, and so I'm happy.
00:11:52.060 This is a win for the sisterhood.
00:11:53.840 They might claim to have that attitude, but none of us have ever encountered it in real life.
00:11:58.460 I certainly haven't.
00:12:00.980 So often, when a member of an allegedly marginalized group complains about discrimination,
00:12:05.680 they're really complaining about how they personally have been treated or how they perceive themselves to have been treated.
00:12:11.960 It is a selfish complaint disguised as concern for the group.
00:12:15.960 But then you quickly discover that this person will take no comfort in finding out that other people in the group aren't having those experiences.
00:12:23.300 So when they say, don't treat us this way, what they really mean is, don't treat me this way.
00:12:28.920 And that might seem like an obvious thing to point out, but it's an important distinction.
00:12:33.900 It's a very different sort of complaint.
00:12:36.800 Whether it's true or not that they're being mistreated, and often it's not true, but whether it's true or not,
00:12:41.320 still it's worth noting the nature of the complaint, which is usually personal and self-centered.
00:12:47.180 Bringing it back to women in the workplace, the fact is that women are being promoted, women are getting opportunities, 0.94
00:12:51.580 and if anything, in big corporations at least, they're getting more opportunities than men.
00:12:55.020 And these companies are actively looking to staff their management teams with anyone other than white males. 0.50
00:12:59.720 They have a vested interest in doing that.
00:13:02.520 But the women who still complain about a sexist conspiracy to rob them of opportunities, 1.00
00:13:06.880 they aren't likely to take any solace in the fact that other women are in fact getting promoted. 1.00
00:13:11.500 That's because, again, the women who say, you're being unfair to women, 1.00
00:13:15.880 a woman who says that is often really saying, you're being unfair to me. 1.00
00:13:19.640 She doesn't really care about women in general. 1.00
00:13:21.400 She cares about herself, which is fine.
00:13:22.960 Y'all gotta look out for number one.
00:13:24.240 But at least be honest about it.
00:13:26.380 This is perfectly evidenced by the career expert, Vicky, in the CNBC article,
00:13:30.640 saying that women aren't getting the chance to do their manager's jobs, 0.99
00:13:35.180 regardless of the fact that many of these women have managers who are women. 1.00
00:13:40.160 It turns out that, you know, the women making the complaint don't want a woman to be manager. 1.00
00:13:45.160 They want themselves personally to be manager.
00:13:48.780 Which, again, is different.
00:13:52.140 Back to the article.
00:13:53.120 Women are far less likely to say that they feel they get the same quantity and quality of opportunities as men in the workplace.
00:13:59.280 66% of men believe everyone at work gets the same access to opportunities versus just 23% of women, according to Monster.
00:14:05.880 The opportunities gap has a compounding effect among women at levels, at all levels in the workplace. 0.74
00:14:10.920 Women say that having a clear vision for the future of their career is a top priority for them,
00:14:14.940 and a lack of potential advancement is the biggest red flag that would lead them to turn down a job offer.
00:14:19.160 So, the poll finds that a majority of women complain that the company they work for is unfair and biased,
00:14:27.100 while also claiming that they can do jobs that they have not been judged qualified for.
00:14:31.900 If you were trying to come up with a poll to convince employers to hire men instead of women,
00:14:35.920 I don't think you could have done a better job than this.
00:14:37.800 Though some of this poll is supposed to motivate employers in the opposite direction.
00:14:42.400 Like, you know, hey, women are likely to have an inflated sense of importance and also complain a lot. 1.00
00:14:47.040 Now, hire more of them.
00:14:48.840 That seems to be the sales pitch.
00:14:50.360 And it's not my sales pitch, by the way.
00:14:52.180 I'm not saying that.
00:14:52.940 I'm telling you that's what the survey apparently says.
00:14:56.020 Now, to what extent it actually reflects the opinion of the majority of women, I don't know.
00:15:00.580 That's what the survey says.
00:15:01.380 The article ends this way.
00:15:04.000 Some 77% of men believe everyone is paid the same.
00:15:06.880 Presumably, they mean paid the same for the same work.
00:15:09.040 Versus 24% of women.
00:15:11.040 Concerning, given that women say fair and equal wages is the number one most important benefit to them in the workplace. 0.98
00:15:17.240 The gender wage gap, which has persisted for decades,
00:15:19.740 now sits at the average woman being paid 82 cents for every dollar paid to a man, according to the Census Bureau.
00:15:25.740 The gap widens for many women of color.
00:15:28.020 Now, of course, we couldn't conclude this without the trusty old wage gap myth.
00:15:33.360 If you're curious, the article supports the women get paid 82 cents for every dollar that a man earns claim
00:15:38.580 by linking to a fact sheet on the census.gov website,
00:15:41.840 which tells us that the median earnings of men are about $57,000 a year.
00:15:47.000 This was back in 2019.
00:15:48.520 While the median for women is around $47,000. 0.52
00:15:51.700 These are the numbers that you get if you take all of the men in every profession
00:15:57.100 and throw them into one pot. 0.98
00:15:58.840 All of the women in every profession, throw them into another and then compare the two. 1.00
00:16:03.420 But that comparison is totally meaningless as it obviously doesn't take into account things like
00:16:08.840 hours worked, overtime, experience, skill, effort, qualifications, career choice, etc.
00:16:14.740 It doesn't even bother to compare men and women in the same industry, let alone the same positions within those industries.
00:16:21.260 Instead, it effectively compares, you know, male commercial airline pilots to female hairdressers
00:16:25.800 and male surgeons to female daycare workers and so on. 0.98
00:16:30.540 It makes an even one-to-one comparison among all these groups.
00:16:34.280 It is, in fact, a perfect example of how you lie with statistics.
00:16:40.300 Because the figure they end up with, 82 cents on the dollar,
00:16:43.300 is technically true if you don't control for any meaningful factors whatsoever.
00:16:49.660 But they never mention that detail when they cite the figure,
00:16:52.600 which makes it effectively a lie.
00:16:55.700 So, what is the real takeaway here?
00:16:58.140 What can we learn from the fact that, according to the survey,
00:17:01.840 the majority of women in the workforce feel that they're being oppressed and 0.59
00:17:05.040 being treated unfairly because of their sex?
00:17:08.300 Well, we learn just that.
00:17:09.940 That it's a feeling.
00:17:11.320 This is what the oppression narrative is ultimately grounded in.
00:17:13.760 It's something that people feel.
00:17:15.400 Something that they are indeed encouraged to feel.
00:17:17.800 These are feelings instilled and fostered in them.
00:17:21.020 The poll says that a majority of women believe, they feel,
00:17:23.980 that they aren't getting equal opportunities.
00:17:25.300 Very much in the same way that so many people believe, feel, you know, the wage gap.
00:17:31.520 What we aren't supposed to ever ask is whether these beliefs and feelings
00:17:34.680 actually reflect reality.
00:17:37.140 That's because when we do investigate that question,
00:17:39.600 we will find out very often and very quickly that they just simply don't.
00:17:44.560 And that's why not all women in the workforce, 1.00
00:17:46.720 but at least the majority who took this poll,
00:17:49.600 are today canceled.