The Matt Walsh Show - The Daily Wire Strikes Back(stage)： Canceling Cancel Culture

00:00:00.000 This is your theocratic fascist dictator, Matt Walsh, and I'm very disappointed in you for

00:00:04.140 missing the latest episode of Daily Wire backstage. Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro, Andrew

00:00:08.400 Klavan, Michael Knowles, and I are covering all the big events, including the Daily Wire partnering

00:00:12.160 with Gina Carano on a feature film and the wave of cancellation sweeping the country.

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00:00:19.860 Welcome to the Daily Wire Strikes Back stage. I'm Jeremy Boring, lowercase g, lowercase k,

00:00:26.000 God King. Tonight, we're going to be talking cancel culture in an effort to answer the age-old

00:00:30.660 question, just how rich is the left trying to make us with all this bullcrap?

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00:01:11.300 Mrs. Alicia Krause, here to take your questions. Alicia.

00:01:15.100 Hey, how are you guys doing? And welcome to the Empire Strikes Back stage, the Daily Wire Strikes

00:01:22.400 Back stage. Although, I don't know why you guys want to be relating to the Empire. I thought that

00:01:26.020 we were the good guys, and the woke mob that tried to cancel Gina was the Empire. But, anyway.

00:01:30.700 You're overthinking this, Alicia. You're overthinking it.

00:01:33.680 Sorry, I'm just trying to be accurate, God King. Anyway, it has been one of the biggest months in

00:01:38.480 the Daily Wire history, and we are so excited. I love the Sunday special with Gina and Ben. And,

00:01:43.720 we're going to tell you guys, this is just the beginning. Ben still needs to introduce Gina and I,

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00:02:51.980 Thanks, Alicia. Fellas, we had an unbelievable last two weeks because the left has decided,

00:02:59.000 in their infinite wisdom, that making us just insanely wealthy is their top priority. They've

00:03:07.700 decided that they're going to cancel many, many valuable Hollywood entertainers, and we have

00:03:13.600 decided that we are going to make movies with those people, specifically with Gina Carano.

00:03:19.840 Alicia mentioned the Sunday special, Ben. It really was. I think it may have been the best

00:03:23.440 Sunday special ever. Gina telling her side of the story was just remarkable.

00:03:28.060 I want to talk about what happened to Gina specifically for the three or four people

00:03:31.600 who live under rocks and didn't pick up on it, but what I really want to talk about

00:03:35.320 is the bifurcation of the culture, the bifurcation of the economy, the tragedy and the comedy of the

00:03:42.500 whole thing, and the opportunities that it presents. So, would you mind walking us just briefly through

00:03:46.440 Gina's story? So, I mean, the way that Gina told it, and first of all, you should watch the

00:03:50.780 Sunday special because it really does allow you to see her side of the story in her own words,

00:03:54.560 and Gina is just a lovely human being, just a wonderful, lovely human being. I had her over

00:03:58.500 for a Friday night dinner, so we actually had Chavez together. It was really nice. My kids loved

00:04:02.320 her, and what happened to Gina basically is that she tweeted a bunch of stuff that Disney didn't

00:04:07.120 like. None of it was particularly horrifying or controversial, and they fired her. I mean,

00:04:11.720 it really is that simple. It started off when she had tweeted a joke about the pressure that

00:04:15.860 people receive online to put their pronouns in their Twitter profiles. She'd put in her Twitter

00:04:20.100 profile, beep, bop, boop, which is actually pretty funny. Droid noises. And Disney called

00:04:26.840 her into a room, and they wanted her to have kind of the woke mob do a Zoom session with

00:04:31.340 her, and she said, I don't really want to do that. I want to actually get in a room and

00:04:33.440 talk with actual human beings. And they finally kind of let her do that, and then they would

00:04:38.160 not let her do any press, basically, from then on. They cut her out of all of the press

00:04:41.700 materials for The Mandalorian, even though she's one of the bigger stars in the show. And

00:04:45.580 then you fast forward, and post-election, she started tweeting things that are fairly

00:04:50.380 well accepted in conservative circles. Like, if you want to crack down on voter fraud, perhaps

00:04:53.580 there should be voter ID. She tweeted that like two days after the election. And people

00:04:57.060 were like, oh, this means that she is in favor of lies about the election. No, that's not what

00:05:01.220 she tweeted. And then a few days later, she tweeted something about how Americans should

00:05:05.300 remove the mask from their eyes so they can see what's actually going on with regard to

00:05:08.060 COVID. Again, this is a fairly mainstream conservative position, even for people like me.

00:05:12.260 Plus, it doesn't even protect you from the virus.

00:05:15.580 If it's on your eyes.

00:05:16.340 If it's on your eyes.

00:05:16.880 Yeah. In any case, that was really not particularly controversial. And then she tweeted out this

00:05:22.880 meme that was just a picture, a very famous picture, from the Holocaust of a Jewish woman

00:05:27.880 running away from German soldiers. And the text next to it was fairly generic. It just said,

00:05:35.420 these sorts of evils don't happen in a vacuum. They start off with people dehumanizing other

00:05:39.120 human beings. And if you treat people horribly, then eventually you could end up at this place.

00:05:42.860 And so you should remember this when you treat people horribly because of their politics,

00:05:46.120 which is a fairly reasonable generic statement. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Holocaust comparisons

00:05:50.240 because I generally feel that most of them are overwrought. But there is nothing remotely

00:05:53.200 anti-Semitic about this one. And in the world of Holocaust comparisons, this one ranks like the

00:05:58.000 lowest 10 percent in terms of controversial, because that's a pretty generic statement about

00:06:01.080 dehumanization of other people. In fact, I've seen the Auschwitz Memorial Museum put out very

00:06:05.480 similar tweets, actually, about the generic nature of dehumanizing other people and how that leads

00:06:09.620 to problems down the road, including death for people. And so, you know, this turned into a big

00:06:14.660 hullabaloo with Disney and Lucasfilm deciding that it was time for Gina to be ousted. Apparently,

00:06:18.920 this had been in the works for a couple of months. They had been meaning to announce her as a spinoff

00:06:22.280 star from The Mandalorian in one of their own series. They had canceled that in December and

00:06:26.880 they were looking for an excuse to canter. They used this as the excuse to canter despite the fact

00:06:30.340 that Pedro Pascal, the actual star of The Mandalorian, had tweeted out a meme comparing Auschwitz to kids

00:06:35.280 being held in cages in 2018 using a picture that was from the Palestinian Authority in 2014.

00:06:40.840 And it was and, of course, no blowback to that. So basically, after they canceled her and she found

00:06:46.220 out about this, essentially via the social media, the way we did. Same way we did. I mean, we found

00:06:51.060 out about the exact same time that Gina did. They didn't even give her the courtesy of a call.

00:06:53.940 They just said, you're not coming back. That's it. In social media. Right. And and we saw this here

00:06:59.060 at Daily Wire and we reached out. I reached out to her personally. And I said, listen, this is

00:07:03.200 it's really tragic what's happening to you, because it's not about the money. It's about

00:07:07.360 the dream. If you ever go to Hollywood and you work with folks in Hollywood and pretty much all

00:07:11.560 of us, except for Matt, have actually have actually done this. People who move out to Hollywood move

00:07:15.660 out there because their dream is to be in a show like The Mandalorian. I mean, it's the biggest show

00:07:20.060 in TV right now and to have a starring role in that and to take that away from somebody summarily

00:07:24.720 and to destroy their career in the process because they released a statement saying essentially she was

00:07:27.920 an anti-Semite and that she was a racist and all this stuff. They categorized people on the basis of

00:07:31.700 religion and ethnicity. I mean, it's just a lie. It's just not true. And they and and for them to

00:07:36.500 do that was an act of cruelty. It was an act of true cruelty. So we called her up and and I said

00:07:41.800 to her, you know, it's terrible what's happening to you, but it's a real opportunity to punch back

00:07:46.080 at these bastards. And we should punch back at them because nobody has ever said to them, you know

00:07:49.580 what? Fine. You want to cancel me? I'm not canceled because there's a whole side of the political

00:07:53.720 aisle that doesn't agree that I should be canceled. And so, you know what? I'm just going to go do my own

00:07:57.380 thing over here. And so that's when we announced and she good for her because it was an act of

00:08:00.700 bravery on her part. For us, it was an opportunity, right? For us, I mean, I'll be to be honest with

00:08:05.600 you, whenever somebody in mainstream in mainstream culture is canceled, I put in a call. So I probably

00:08:10.480 put in over the course of the last four or five years, at least 50 calls to various mainstream

00:08:15.100 figures who have been canceled for bad reasons. It's it's it's something that I just do on regular

00:08:18.740 whether liberal or conservative. There are many people on the left I've done this for. And Gina was

00:08:23.040 just another person who was like that. But Gina really took up the opportunity and said, OK, let's do this.

00:08:27.040 Now, there's an opportunity. I've been wanting to do this anyway. I don't deserve to be

00:08:30.200 canceled. And Americans need to be able to stand up for themselves. So I'm happy to come over here

00:08:34.600 and I'm happy to make a movie with you guys. And we could not be more pumped up about our audience

00:08:38.120 certainly couldn't be more pumped up. It's the biggest week in the history of The Daily Wire.

00:08:41.100 I think people miss that Gina Carano is a real human. Sometimes you read these stories about us

00:08:46.560 or about political figures or about entertainment figures. And we're two dimensional. And that makes

00:08:50.700 sense because we come to you on a screen, which which makes us two dimensional also because we have

00:08:55.020 no souls. Yeah, I personally am two dimensional. But Gina's an actual human. They took they took

00:09:01.500 her career away from her. Her agent dropped her. Her her attorney dropped her. Her publicist dropped

00:09:09.400 her like they took all the tools necessary to have a career away from her. They took the biggest show

00:09:13.660 away from her. They took her ability to pay her bills away from her. They took her good name

00:09:18.500 away from her. Lucasfilm called her aberrant, said that she categorized people on the basis of religion

00:09:23.080 and ethnicity, which she did not do. Fundamentals. It's defamation because it is 100% untrue. That's

00:09:30.540 not even a possible interpretation of the things that she has said. The fact that we were even able

00:09:36.240 to get her on the phone in that situation, I think, is fairly remarkable. She was having what must be one

00:09:41.920 of the worst days that a person can possibly endure when their career and their good name have sort of

00:09:48.260 having a serious health problem. That's about as bad as it gets right there. But you know, the terrific

00:09:51.540 thing about it, and the reason I'm so glad you guys acted, I really, I hate to compliment you

00:09:55.560 because you know who you are. But still, I really am happy you acted is because we all support free

00:10:01.800 speech. And that means when they take an Alex Jones off the air, I'm offended. I think Alex Jones

00:10:06.340 should have a platform. I think he's a loon, but he should have a platform because who cares? You

00:10:10.860 know, we can defeat it. We can defeat his. And they're making the frogs gay with the truth.

00:10:14.440 But the thing is, we're defending a guy that we don't agree with, that we think is out of his

00:10:22.520 mind. Here's a case where this woman did literally zero percent wrong. Her tweet, and I'm with you,

00:10:30.360 I don't like Holocaust comparisons because they're over the top, but she didn't really even deal with

00:10:35.320 that. She was making a perfectly valid point that you begin by dehumanizing people and you end by

00:10:40.540 hurting them. And that's what is happening in our society. It's a perfectly valid point.

00:10:44.800 We're defending somebody who was actually wronged. And that is a terrific position to be in because

00:10:50.080 the left has been very clever and they go after the people on the end. And they proved her point

00:10:53.780 too, because they, not that they're going to cart her off to a concentration camp, but they dehumanized

00:10:58.360 her by labeling her anti-Semite, by lying about her, saying that she was categorizing people based on

00:11:06.360 race and ethnicity. That's just flatly wrong. They know that they're lying, but they figure,

00:11:12.440 well, she deserves to be lied about and to be slandered because she's wrong about all these

00:11:15.780 other things. There are two aspects of this that I want to talk about. I actually want to talk about

00:11:19.920 Holocaust comparisons generally. And I want to talk about what it means that they canceled someone

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00:12:28.060 They canceled her for nothing. Yeah. Why did they cancel her?

00:12:32.600 They canceled her because it's very wrong to make any comparison to the Holocaust,

00:12:39.620 especially after we just had literally Hitler be president for four years. So you're not,

00:12:44.180 you can't do that sort of thing. You know, it, this is what is most chilling to me. We all support

00:12:49.860 the American free speech tradition in this room. The left does not. We all support it. But we all think

00:12:55.460 there are, there are some things that if you, you know, if you walk up to the water cooler and you

00:12:59.400 say Zig Heil, or, you know, you do something, I think you should lose your job. I don't think you

00:13:03.840 should be allowed to keep your movie or whatever. I think there are some things that are out of

00:13:06.900 bounds. There are always things that are out of bounds. What this woman did was make an absolutely

00:13:14.900 mainstream opinion that we all, everybody left, right, and center would have agreed on even five or

00:13:21.940 six years ago. But now they have so moved the goalposts in this country that if you, if you

00:13:27.520 have an American flag outside your house, you could be. I'm actually not sure that this is right.

00:13:33.040 I think that she was canceled for nothing because it was nothing. I think that we're living through

00:13:38.840 a change in what cancel culture is and what the woke mob wants, that it's no longer about enforcing

00:13:45.400 their rules. I think that it's, it's like the great terror. I think it's just the imposition.

00:13:50.500 Yes. Yeah. I think that the arbitrariness of it, I think the randomness of it is actually part of

00:13:55.460 the terror. If they can take down Gina for nothing, then they can take down you for anything.

00:14:00.100 Well, you see this happening. I mean, the rules are changing every single day. I mean,

00:14:03.480 they're changing every single day and things that are overtly non-racist are now being treated as

00:14:07.160 racist. I mean, you'll have Don McNeil losing his job at the New York Times for using the N-word to

00:14:11.120 describe why using the N-word is wrong, right? And in which situations using the N-word is wrong.

00:14:15.380 See the guy over at Slate, Mike Peska, right? We're not big fans of Slate over here. Slate fired a guy

00:14:19.680 for saying that maybe we should have a discussion about when use of the N-word is appropriate in

00:14:23.860 like, for example, quoting someone who used the N-word. And they were, and people at Slate were

00:14:27.660 like, nope, can't have that. They, they laid Mike Peska off. I think the most ridiculous example of

00:14:33.100 somebody being canceled for non-racism that I've seen in the recent past is not really even Gina,

00:14:38.320 although that was ridiculous. I think that it's what's going on with Chris Harrison over at The

00:14:41.260 Bachelor. Right? So I'm not, I'm not a fan of The Bachelor because I am a man. I have testosterone

00:14:46.020 that runs in my body, but there, this is one of the cultural institutions of the United States

00:14:51.260 over the last 25 years, right? I mean, it's been going since 2002. It has been, The Bachelor has

00:14:56.120 been on the air for a majority of my lifetime on this planet, right? It's been on forever.

00:15:01.460 Right. And The Bachelor basically just collapsed over the course of the last month because there's

00:15:08.940 a, the first black Bachelor and he was dating one woman, there was a woman named Rachel

00:15:13.500 Kirkconnell when she committed the heinous sin of in 2018 going to a party at a plantation that was

00:15:18.880 dubbed a, a plantation party or something. And she wore like a Scarlett O'Hara dress.

00:15:22.860 Antebellum party. Antebellum party. Okay. And the idea was that this was racist because you can't

00:15:27.280 have an antebellum party without acknowledging the sins of slavery, which again, I just hate to note

00:15:32.180 this. Unless you're governor of Virginia. Well, right. Then you can dress up as whatever you want,

00:15:35.600 right? But, uh, but I hate to note this for everybody, but if you wear a costume from virtually any

00:15:40.420 historic period prior to 1820, that culture had slavery, right? I mean, like if you, if you dress

00:15:44.740 up as a Viking and there was, there was slavery back then, if you dress up as a Roman, there was

00:15:48.960 lots of slavery back then. In any case, the, the idea was that she was a racist for having gone to

00:15:53.960 this party in 2018. So the, the bachelor who spoiler alert for women who are still watching

00:15:58.720 the bachelor, but it's out of the bag now, he ended up picking this woman, right? Rachel

00:16:02.160 Kirkconnell is the woman he ended up picking at the end of the bachelor. And so he put out a statement

00:16:06.380 on February 3rd in which he said, you know, she should be given a little bit of grace.

00:16:09.640 Social media shouldn't be going after her. They shouldn't be digging up her parents voting

00:16:12.200 record, like give her, give her a break. And so Chris Harrison, the host was on a show

00:16:16.300 with Rachel Lindsay, a former host of the, she was the former bachelorette, first black

00:16:20.260 bachelorette, I think. And she was interviewing him and Chris Harrison said, you should give

00:16:24.300 her a little bit of grace, right? Social media shouldn't be judged, jury and execution or

00:16:27.200 people should be treated with a little bit of grace. She can explain herself. And Rachel Lindsay

00:16:31.300 then suggested that Chris Harrison for saying she deserved grace ought to apologize and

00:16:35.620 essentially lose his job. And then a couple of weeks later, like just this week,

00:16:39.840 Matt James, who originally had defended Rachel Kirkconnell and was dating Rachel Kirkconnell,

00:16:44.120 he put out a statement over the last 24 hours saying that Rachel Kirkconnell was essentially

00:16:47.500 a racist, that Chris Harrison was a racist, that the bachelor was racist and that it was,

00:16:52.040 it was unthinkable that Chris Harrison could have said what he said in front of Rachel, Rachel

00:16:56.080 Lindsay, who then was forced to do, and I quote, the emotional labor, the emotional labor

00:17:01.100 of explaining to him the history of racism and slavery in this country. Emotional labor. First

00:17:05.820 of all, what, what in the F is emotional labor? I've seen actual physical labor. My wife's

00:17:10.000 done it several times. It's much, it's much the same. I can't even make this joke. It

00:17:14.120 is so over the top. I know if I make this joke, how mad Ben's going to be at me, but

00:17:18.640 I will say this. The fact that he used the term emotional labor is proof that they got to

00:17:24.560 him. Yeah. There's no human being walks around with the term emotional labor in their frontal

00:17:29.160 lobe except woke leftists. Yeah. And that means that somebody came and sat him down and

00:17:32.760 said, listen, uh, the girl you've been dating and obviously like, she doesn't matter the

00:17:37.880 show. That's the only reason you have a platform at all. That doesn't matter. The only thing

00:17:42.200 that matters if you want to keep have, if you want to keep your house and your career and

00:17:47.560 your good name is that you freaking get out there and walk the line. That's right. And I

00:17:52.020 mean the, the utter cowardice of throwing under the bus, the girl you were dating, right.

00:17:56.300 And calling her a racist and then saying the guy who said exactly what you said, exactly

00:18:00.040 what you said, like within days that that guy's a racist, but you you're, you're perfect,

00:18:03.780 right? You're perfect. That's amazing. By the way, I just have to add the capper to

00:18:06.860 this. So again, my producers who, uh, the only reason I know about the bachelor is cause

00:18:11.000 I have two producers. Yes, they are female and, uh, they inform me of this TV remote.

00:18:16.540 That's why a producer savvy and producer Jessica. I will say that they keep me updated on this

00:18:22.320 stuff on a granular level. Uh, and, uh, and they made me aware of a post from Rachel

00:18:26.280 Lindsay that happened in the middle of the black lives matter movement in the summer.

00:18:29.260 And this post was a picture of Rachel Lindsay standing. I kid you not in front of a Cadillac

00:18:34.860 XT six. And the post was when I am fighting on behalf of black lives matter, the way that

00:18:40.640 I like to learn about black history is through podcasts about black history that I listened

00:18:44.800 to on my Bose sound system in my Cadillac XTS capitalism. Number one always wins, but number

00:18:51.160 two, like this is the person who is standing up against the racism and of the capitalist

00:18:56.040 evil American system. This is the person who's doing emotional labor, emotional labor. You're

00:19:00.120 standing in front of a Cadillac XT six and a sponsored ad on Instagram to preach about black

00:19:05.780 lives matter. And you're the person who's supposed to be the, the great Pope of wokenness here. I

00:19:10.460 mean, it's insanity. How dare you is what a, is what a grift it all is. Correct. You know, 15 years

00:19:15.960 ago you were taught discussing in an academic context, the use of the N word and now you're fired.

00:19:21.440 But if you're a black mom who wants her kid to go to school, that can't happen because teachers

00:19:27.200 unions are keeping you out. You know, Bill Gates literally put out a system for teaching

00:19:33.300 algebra to black kids where you got rid of the concept of right and wrong. And I just thought

00:19:38.980 like that, that may be, and I'm like, I've been around a long time. That's one of the most

00:19:43.580 racist things I've ever actually heard. And so it's all a grift, you know, it's all, nobody's

00:19:48.700 doing anything for anybody, but this emotional panic is white America. It's white America.

00:19:55.280 Well, it is. I mean, this is what Shelby Steele writes about. It's a bunch of woke white folks

00:19:58.840 who get to maintain control over the auspices of power by saying black folks don't have

00:20:02.420 to do the work. It's our job to do the work. All you have to do is give me power and I can

00:20:05.900 fix all of these things. Exactly. And corporate America has bought into this, that, that, that

00:20:10.040 ridiculous anti-racism training that Coca-Cola, or as I now call them, Woka-Cola.

00:20:14.220 Matt, you talked about this on your show.

00:20:15.560 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's why we have to stipulate, I think with, with cancel culture

00:20:19.380 that it is a left wing phenomenon. I know on the left, they always want to accuse the

00:20:25.140 right of, Oh, you're doing cancel culture because we criticize someone for having, you know,

00:20:29.040 for their opinion. But you know how people on the left say that only white people can

00:20:34.280 be racist because we have institutional power and black people don't. Well, we know that's

00:20:39.020 totally bogus because number one, racism is a condition of the heart. Anyone can be racist.

00:20:43.620 Number two, we had a black president. You know, I consider that to be institutional power,

00:20:46.880 but with, with cancel culture, that actually is about institutional power. You can't cancel

00:20:53.540 someone unless you own the institutions. Canceling someone is all about, they lose their job.

00:20:58.480 They lose the reputation. Uh, they lose their credibility. They lose everything. We on the

00:21:02.740 right, unfortunately don't have the ability to do that. Um, only the left can do that. So the left,

00:21:07.800 so cancel culture is a left wing thing. It's what the left does. And I think we need to be clear

00:21:13.440 about that in our definition of it because that's, that's what I think it is.

00:21:17.720 The collapse of corporate America into wokeism is one of the great disturbing elements of the last

00:21:21.860 several decades. It really is amazing because we were all taught that after you leave college,

00:21:25.720 that you were going to get in the real world and then the real world, there'd be a meritocracy and,

00:21:29.540 and all of the, all of the kind of emotional crap that you learned in college and the microaggression

00:21:33.960 nonsense, all that was going to stop. And it turns out those people just took over the institutions

00:21:37.220 and now you get it twice as hard from the corporations and the corporations have a real

00:21:41.180 interest in promoting this stuff because number one, it's a great way to avoid liability, like

00:21:45.600 discrimination liability. You say, Oh, you know, we hired Robin DiAngelo for 20 grand to teach all

00:21:49.820 of our people that they're racist. So, I mean, how can you sue us for that? And also all your woke

00:21:54.140 staffers are the ones who are most likely to sue you. So if you just give into them, then they won't

00:21:57.820 sue you. But has anyone sued yet? I mean, we're waiting for a white, they're at a point right now

00:22:02.120 in these corporations where they actually single out, they say, this is only for the white employees

00:22:05.640 come to the room and we're going to tell you what a scumbag you are. Has any white employee actually

00:22:10.140 stood up and said, this is racial harassment? But look, look what happens when you, you know,

00:22:13.780 when, when Asian students sued Harvard, right? Wasn't white students suing about the affirmative

00:22:18.140 action policies. It was Asian students who were also disadvantaged. The Asian students sue,

00:22:22.460 what happens? Doesn't go anywhere. The DOJ under Trump looks into Yale for doing exactly the same

00:22:28.000 thing. They're disadvantaging white and Asian students in applications. What happens? The

00:22:31.980 Biden administration gets rid of it. So, you know, if, if I'm a white employee and I'm being

00:22:36.440 told to be less white, and I think I'm pretty swarthy, how much less white can I get? If I'm

00:22:40.460 thinking about suing, I look at the track record of, of these lawsuits and I say, why would I waste my

00:22:45.000 money? That goes back to the institutional point that Matt was making. The institutions are now

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00:24:39.400 heard the term hoi polloi in an advertisement. Okay, well, first of all, I was actually going to

00:24:43.100 stop you. That is the best ad read you've ever done. As somebody who does this professionally,

00:24:47.480 let me just say, your skill set has grown, Jeremy. I mean, like, I've heard you do some real bad ad

00:24:52.460 reads. Some horrible ad reads. Some truly terrible ones. Really bad. That was excellent. It was a really

00:24:55.980 great segue in, and then it really made it personal when you made it about you, and you really took your

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00:25:04.080 that's when you glow. That kind of glow comes over you. I mean, it was really impressive.

00:25:08.360 There was one note that I wanted to make as far as the fact that cancellation is a left-wing

00:25:13.580 phenomenon, and it is because it is connected to institutional power. Occasionally, you will see

00:25:17.320 sort of a right-wing cancellation effort. So, for example, there was some talk about in college

00:25:21.660 removing college scholarships from kids who wanted to kneel for the national anthem or something.

00:25:26.340 Like, I'm not a big fan of that sort of thing, but it's not just that it's a left-wing

00:25:30.540 phenomenon. It's that it's a left-wing mindset. There's an actual mindset of cancellation that

00:25:35.860 exists, and there's a study that I was looking at the other day that is just a truly amazing study.

00:25:41.100 It was quoted in Harvard Business Review. What they did is they took a panel of people of wide

00:25:46.240 variety of political opinion, went all the way right to left, and then they offered them a model

00:25:50.740 corporation. It was like Jobs Corporation or something. And what they told them is that they

00:25:55.060 gave them three examples. One, Jobs Corporation is apolitical. How do you feel about it? You're like,

00:25:59.220 okay, it seems like a nice corporation. Second was Jobs Corporation is liberal. How do you feel

00:26:03.420 about it? People are like, nice corporation. And then they said Jobs Corporation is conservative.

00:26:08.640 It dropped 33 points in the approval ratings. 33 points entirely because the left decided that it

00:26:13.820 was now an evil business. So, in other words, people assume that corporate America is liberal.

00:26:19.320 They assume it. That's why the first two results are the same. That's why apolitical and liberal end up

00:26:22.780 with the same result. It also shows you the right does not care. The right is happy to shop

00:26:26.660 wherever there is a good product. The left does care. The left wants their wokeism infused into

00:26:30.740 everything. Well, there is good news for us in this, as you may have noticed, which is that,

00:26:35.180 fine, you want to do this? You want to boycott any business that's conservative? There's half the

00:26:38.940 country that believes they should be able to shop at businesses that are not going to shove this garbage

00:26:42.380 down their throat. And we are happy to start each and every one of those businesses and rake in the

00:26:45.660 dough. That's right. Drew, this is where the left, I think, has lost their mind. Illiberalism is nothing new,

00:26:51.200 right? There's always been a streak of illiberalism, even on the right, and the leftist is now

00:26:56.620 illiberal. But if you go back, like, to the 60s, illiberals on the right would, like, burn Beatles

00:27:02.480 albums. And you're, I'm sorry, the Beatles were a band who never got, they never got successful

00:27:08.980 because all these illiberal conservatives burned their records. And so then no one ever, no, of course

00:27:13.300 that's not how it works. There's a, there's going to be a reaction against this idea of cancel culture

00:27:18.520 that is going to make us more powerful. To quote, well, the evil empire, the more they tighten their

00:27:26.200 grip, the more star systems will slip through their fingers. That's the opportunity that they've given

00:27:30.100 us. I think it's bad for the world that the left is creating a dual culture. I think it's bad for the

00:27:34.680 world that the left is creating a dual economy. But I also think that to the extent that they've had

00:27:39.960 almost unchecked power in the dominant culture and in the dominant economy, only the creation now of the

00:27:46.540 dual economy gives us the, the opportunity to maybe one day make a better economy and a better

00:27:51.960 culture that one day has a chance of being dominant. And you know, this ties into your

00:27:55.400 point on the arbitrariness of it, because I, I, I think it's arbitrary when they say they have rules

00:28:01.200 and they make up the rules on the spot and the rules change day by day and they cancel you for

00:28:05.220 whatever. But what is not arbitrary is the people that they're canceling. Yeah. People that they're

00:28:09.700 canceling tend to hold views very similar to what we think. If you are in any way contradicting the

00:28:15.320 left-wing orthodoxy, you are liable to be canceled and they'll make up some fake rule.

00:28:20.740 This is exactly right. It's all, it's all pretextual. Yeah. They're doing all of this

00:28:24.480 on the basis of who do we want to cancel? And then how do we fit them into the box of sin?

00:28:29.180 But, but you know, this is, this is actually, I was speaking to my son, Spencer Claven, no relation

00:28:33.660 today. And he, and he makes the brilliant point as he so frequently does, that this has a,

00:28:39.780 an almost exact analog in the Inquisition in that. Nobody expects it.

00:28:46.360 Nobody ever expects it. No, no, that, that they said, the Catholic church said in the Inquisition,

00:28:52.260 we have this new technology, which is the printing press. How wonderful. It spreads information. You

00:28:57.500 can now read the Bible. You can now have your own Bible. It's a, it's a wonderful, wonderful thing,

00:29:01.520 but it's spreading some bad information as well. And those people have to be burned at the stake and

00:29:07.220 put on the rack. Basically the Twitter terms of service. It was bad. Well, no, I was going to say

00:29:12.780 I'm in favor of the Inquisition. I'm following it so far, but then when does it go wrong?

00:29:17.260 The Twitter, the Twitter terms of service are the same thing. We have this wonderful internet.

00:29:21.220 It's spreading information, but it's bad information. And those people have to be burned

00:29:25.140 at the stake and put on the rack. I know you guys are in favor of this. This is right. You saw that

00:29:29.500 house democratic letter, right? Those two house Democrats who wrote a letter to Comcast and AT&T

00:29:33.840 and Amazon and every major carrier in the country about inflammatory language and inciting language.

00:29:38.900 They've brought in the definition of inflammatory and inciting to anything they disagree with.

00:29:41.860 Right. And then the idea is they're going to cudgel corporations into doing their work,

00:29:44.600 which by the way, does violate the first amendment. You are not allowed to make

00:29:47.320 private corporations into agencies of the government for purposes of quashing the first

00:29:50.740 amendment. There's case law on this, but they're trying it anyway. And this is,

00:29:54.780 this is what they're doing. I mean, did you see what Amazon is doing this week?

00:29:57.820 Oh my goodness. The hate speech standard. The hate speech standard with Ryan T. Anderson,

00:30:01.420 who's pal of some of us in this room, ahead of the ethics and public policy center.

00:30:05.900 He's a heritage, formerly at Heritage Foundation. This guy is as mainstream and scholarly a conservative

00:30:11.540 as it gets. And he came out with a book a few years ago, greatest book title I've ever heard.

00:30:16.020 When Harry became Sally, responding to the transgender. It's a really good book too.

00:30:20.220 And it's a really good book. And it's, it's actually not in any way an inflammatory book.

00:30:23.580 By the way, it's a sensitive book. It's a very sensitive.

00:30:25.280 He has a bunch of stuff in there about how people who are suffering from gender dysphoria ought to be

00:30:29.040 treated humanely. And there's no excuse for treating people badly. I mean, he's got a bunch

00:30:32.460 of stuff in there that is, that is directly a rebuttal to sort of the suggestion that people

00:30:36.280 on the right don't care about. And in fact, I don't know any serious person who doesn't say

00:30:38.180 that. Of course. This is the funny thing about it. Of course. This is not even an issue.

00:30:41.260 But what Amazon had done, they had taken off, you know, if the Confederate flag was really

00:30:45.480 politically incorrect, they took that offline or sometimes different symbols, they take that off.

00:30:49.000 But they had this standard. They said, we're not going to remove books for being politically

00:30:52.800 incorrect because they don't want to be seen as burning books or banning books as though it were the

00:30:57.340 Inquisition. Very quietly, they took away that exception. And now, I mean, we've got a lot of

00:31:03.660 books between all of us, right? By the way, Mein Kampf is still on Amazon. But Ryan Anderson's book is

00:31:07.440 not on Amazon. Unbelievable. You know, I got into a brief, I never do this, but I did get into a brief

00:31:12.440 Twitter debate with our friend David French, who basically feels there should be no recourse

00:31:17.020 because of the First Amendment. There should be no recourse when private entities who are

00:31:21.960 multinational, richer than most, two-thirds of governments, they have more money than two-thirds of the

00:31:26.600 government, collude together to essentially gut our rights. And my feeling is, wait, the point of

00:31:33.400 the First Amendment is to protect our rights. Our rights don't go away because the First Amendment

00:31:37.940 makes it difficult to cover a threat to them. But the threat to our rights right now is in this

00:31:43.220 collusion between companies that may not be monopolies in and of themselves, but when they

00:31:48.620 collude, they become essentially monopolies. And they're working in collusion with the government

00:31:53.040 as well. Big tech, big government, big business, big, big, big. If that's, if that is not a threat

00:31:57.640 that needs to be dealt with, and I don't, you know, I'm not a lawyer. I don't care how you deal

00:32:01.380 with it, but it's got to be dealt with. You cannot have a system where, whereby we cannot attack the

00:32:06.920 threats to our speech. That's the right to speech is given to us by God. So I mean, that's the problem

00:32:12.720 on the right, where you've got at least half that are allergic to using the power of the government.

00:32:20.180 Whereas on the left, there's wide agreement. Of course, we're going to use the power of the government

00:32:23.380 to do whatever we want. And I appreciate that on the right, at least there's a debate about it.

00:32:27.780 But it seems like there are some, a wide, you know, pretty large, significant preponderance that

00:32:32.880 basically they don't want to use the power of the government to do anything at all.

00:32:37.000 And I think that kneecaps us.

00:32:39.240 I think there's a smart way to use the power of government, and there's a stupid way.

00:32:41.960 Of course.

00:32:42.480 And I think that a lot of people are not distinguishing between the two. And so you

00:32:45.980 end up with a really dumb kind of version of the argument, which is we can either do nothing,

00:32:49.600 or we're going to step in and just tell them exactly what they ought to do in all circumstances.

00:32:55.080 The reality is that what has really happened, and this goes back to the Section 230 argument,

00:32:58.980 especially when it comes to these platforms, is that what Section 230 was designed to do was it

00:33:02.920 was designed to enshrine the ability for corporations to actually protect free speech. It was not the

00:33:09.240 opposite. What Section 230 was, was it, you know, just to get into a little bit of legalism here,

00:33:15.480 because people don't understand Section 230 particularly well. Section 230 does not make

00:33:19.040 a distinction between publishers and platforms. Section 230 says when you have an open thread,

00:33:22.880 then you are not responsible legally for what appears in that open thread. So Daily Wire is a

00:33:27.320 private corporation. We're responsible for what we put up that's edited, but our comments,

00:33:30.880 we're not responsible for. If somebody puts up plagiarized material in the comments,

00:33:33.620 we're not legally responsible for that. And so that was, the goal here was to allow platforms

00:33:38.780 to exist, because otherwise platforms literally would not exist. So what Section 230 did is it

00:33:43.000 created an exception. The exception was specifically designed to allow platforms to get rid of material

00:33:48.620 that was pretty much widely agreed to be excessive. So somebody posts pornography in our comment section,

00:33:53.720 so we can remove that. Somebody posts obscenity or actual incitement to violence, we can remove all

00:33:57.580 of that. Instead, what has happened is, as so often happens with the government,

00:34:01.200 the exception became the rule. So then it became the government is going to tell corporations that

00:34:05.720 if they don't use Section 230 to crack down on all the material government doesn't like,

00:34:10.080 then they're going to come after those corporations. So the exception ate the rule.

00:34:13.780 So that exception was designed to be an exception, right? The idea was this was going to be a broad

00:34:16.920 spectrum of ideas that were available, and only here and there were you going to kind of pinpoint

00:34:20.420 and remove material that was truly offensive or truly terrible. And instead-

00:34:24.760 Or truly indecent, right? Because it's the Communications Decency Act is where Section 230 is there.

00:34:28.740 Exactly. Or truly indecent. And instead what happened is that the left basically seized upon

00:34:32.760 this opportunity to say, okay, well now what these platforms really should do is they should act just

00:34:36.640 like a publisher. They should edit all of the content. They should decide which books they are

00:34:40.160 willing to put out and which books they're not willing to put out. And not only that, we're going

00:34:42.380 to have congressional hearings. And we're going to say, as Dianne Feinstein says, if you don't do what

00:34:46.520 we want you to do, we will regulate you into doing what we want you to do. So if you actually

00:34:50.160 wanted to fix this, there's a good proposal on the table from Marsha Blackburn, our senator here in

00:34:53.600 Tennessee, to take away the catch-all provision of Section 230. Because originally Section 230 says

00:34:59.500 that it allows you to remove content that's obscene, content that is incitement to violence,

00:35:05.200 content that normally would be illegal, right? Like that kind of stuff. But there's also a catch-all

00:35:09.840 provision that says, or anything otherwise objectionable. And so what her bill does, it

00:35:13.520 takes away the otherwise objectionable language. So now you cannot be relieved of liability if you

00:35:18.900 just start willy-nilly taking down stuff. And I think that that's probably the right move.

00:35:22.500 Yeah. You know, it's funny how people are blind to the fact that the enemy is always

00:35:28.240 pools of power. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. So the left has this idea

00:35:33.980 that the state is going to come in and make everything great. But it doesn't understand

00:35:37.780 that the state is a bunch of people with power. And the right has this idea that big business is

00:35:41.620 always going to be okay. But big business is also people with power. And the left used to know this.

00:35:46.320 The left used to know that corporations can be alternative governments that have the power of

00:35:50.720 governments and can threaten you. You know, anybody with power, anybody with power has to be

00:35:56.200 controlled. It's simply that because the people we're trying to protect are the ordinary guys,

00:36:00.600 the little guys, who have the right to speak.

00:36:02.500 I would just define power a little more specifically than that, which is, it's not about the bigness.

00:36:06.320 It's about the actual power to compel.

00:36:08.140 That's right.

00:36:08.460 Right? Because the problem is not big business. The problem is big business working in collusion

00:36:11.840 with government in order to restrict your rights.

00:36:13.460 That's right.

00:36:13.720 Right? That's the stuff that's actually dangerous. Because what we tend to do, and conservatives tend to do this

00:36:18.200 too. We talk about big government versus small government. The question isn't big government

00:36:20.760 versus small government. It is, what are the delegated powers of government?

00:36:23.920 Limited.

00:36:24.200 And were they delegated?

00:36:24.980 Limited government.

00:36:25.260 Right? There are specific purposes. The same thing is true of business. The question isn't big

00:36:28.860 business or small business. It is business acting in favor of free markets and free labor,

00:36:34.560 or is business acting against those things? Because I'm perfectly fine with a big business that does

00:36:38.700 all the things that are in consonance with freedom, being big and being competitive and winning.

00:36:42.720 Hypothetically, I actually want to talk a little bit about why corporations went wrong and why

00:36:46.300 I actually think that corporations are the biggest threat to the country right now.

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00:40:35.380 joining Smokey Michael and the God King and what instrument will you be playing? I think it's like

00:40:40.980 the third backstage. Like I say, I didn't make enough of an impression the first two times.

00:40:44.040 Wait, Matt Walsh is here right now? It was definitely a temporary.

00:40:49.920 I do play the banjo. So I, you know, I mean, I can, I, yes, I can, I can pick up a banjo and

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00:41:00.360 That's as far as my, the real story is that my wife bought me a banjo. It was when we first

00:41:05.600 got married, she bought me a banjo. It was my first birthday as a, as a married person.

00:41:09.240 And because I had been giving, making all this noise about how I wanted to learn the

00:41:13.420 banjo and she bought it for me. And then what that meant was that for the next, really

00:41:17.580 for the last 10 years, it just kind of sits there and she'll just periodically say, so

00:41:21.860 you never learned that banjo, did you? That's it. I didn't learn.

00:41:27.720 And how many other instruments do you play? Because people want some options here.

00:41:31.480 No, I don't play all. I'm very good at not playing every instrument.

00:41:35.700 Did you say that you're as good at every instrument as you are?

00:41:37.780 Yeah. That's a good way of putting it. Yeah.

00:41:40.360 By the way, completely side note, but Matt and I were outside and the conversation turned

00:41:44.680 to the faux masculinity of the show. And, um, and we decided to create a, um, a masculinity

00:41:50.240 ranking of the hosts on the show. Okay. And I have, it has, it has a, it has but one standard.

00:41:55.720 How many children have you sired? So by this ranking, it goes, Matt, then me, then you,

00:42:01.160 right? Yeah. And then you, and then you. Well, my tied for last place. Yeah. All right.

00:42:06.300 I was going to tweet that out that Ben Shapiro said, I'm the, the manliest guy at the Daily

00:42:10.640 Wire. It's been said, I mean, he's a lumberjack and he has like 83 children. So Jeremy and I

00:42:16.140 are the least toxic people in this entire room. That's pretty good. I did admit though, that

00:42:20.620 you, uh, so we have four kids, but the first two are twins. Right. So it was kind of a two

00:42:24.920 for one deal for the same number of pregnancies. That's right. But I'll happily take, I think

00:42:29.260 the beard gives me the tiebreaker. I'll actually say though, that I think one of the things

00:42:33.900 that matters is, can you change a tire? I mean, we're probably still tied for last.

00:42:37.340 I would say that's probably true. Maybe it mixes up the top three. I not only can change

00:42:41.020 a tire, but have changed many tires frequently on rain-soaked freeways. Why? Don't you have

00:42:46.620 AAA? It was before you had AAA. Are you a pauper? No, you didn't even have phones.

00:42:51.560 What went wrong with tires when they were made of phones? That's how long ago it was.

00:42:56.360 There were only tires. Through changing a tire. I know, exactly. It was like BC, you know.

00:43:02.520 Have you ever changed a tire? Be honest. No. Have you seen me and ever changed a tire?

00:43:07.080 I changed a tire once. I was visiting LA before I lived there and I, I was too cheap to get a good

00:43:12.720 rental car. So I did a rent-a-wreck. I was driving a 91 Plymouth breeze around, you know? I will tell

00:43:18.840 you. Then I go in, I figured out how to do it. It was the manliest I've ever felt.

00:43:23.960 By the way, there's a much higher chance that Alicia has changed a tire than I have.

00:43:27.400 Yeah, Alicia's definitely changed a tire. I will say, though, that I had a blowout this weekend.

00:43:32.440 And in my day, I grew up in rural Texas. I changed a lot of tires, you know? I used to be,

00:43:36.600 when I was a Ute, I would like stop and help other people change their tires when they're broke down on

00:43:41.080 the side of the road. Seemed like the thing to do. But I've become soft. Yeah, yeah. And I was driving,

00:43:45.240 we had this huge snowstorm, as did, you know, almost the entire south, south of the country

00:43:49.720 last week. It's Florida, man. It reeked holy hell on the roads here, right? All the freezing,

00:43:58.280 all the ice. So my wife and my baby and I, we rented a little Tesla. I thought maybe it'd be fun

00:44:03.400 to have a Tesla. Elon Musk is cooler than me. And so I rented this Model 3 from a great family. It was

00:44:08.760 cool, pulled up to get this Tesla. It's really cold outside. I get out of the Uber. I'm walking up this

00:44:13.960 young 17-year-old kid comes out of his house. And I said, hey, man, good to meet you. He goes,

00:44:19.960 oh yeah, it's real cool to meet you. And I said, yeah, I'm Jeremy. He goes, yeah, I know.

00:44:24.280 And I was like, oh, we live in a town where we're famous. We're used to living in a place where

00:44:31.160 people either didn't know who you were or hated you. Now we live somewhere where people are kind

00:44:37.320 to us and like us. And so I rented this Tesla from this kid. I drive it home and park it in the

00:44:43.240 in the garage. And then it dumps like 12,000 pounds of snow. And I didn't get to drive the

00:44:48.360 car for a week. So finally, I've got one day left on the rental Saturday. And I jump in the car. I

00:44:52.920 want to see if the baby seat will fit. Throw the baby seat in the back. We go for a ride. And I

00:44:57.480 promptly hit one of these newfound potholes at full freeway speed and knock the tire off the rim.

00:45:02.280 Oh my gosh. The good news is in a crisis with my wife and my child in the car,

00:45:09.000 I was able to figure out how to call roadside. That's good.

00:45:13.800 I was able to get them on the phone and they told me that they would be there in four hours.

00:45:17.560 Oh, apparently a lot of people were broken down on the side of the road.

00:45:20.920 You know, the last time I got a flat tire, which now, I don't know, about five,

00:45:24.760 six years ago, I was in a very expensive BMW and I was out in the middle of nowhere.

00:45:30.520 In the trunk, right? Yeah, I was in the trunk. The coyotes,

00:45:34.520 literally coyotes were circling around me. And I thought, well, I know how to change a tire.

00:45:39.000 And I took out the jack from this very expensive BMW and opened it up and it cracked in half

00:45:45.080 my hands. And I thought, I guess people don't do this anymore. It was a prop.

00:45:50.520 By the way, I mean, being as close to death as you are,

00:45:53.160 did it ever occur to you that that would have been like the coolest way to die?

00:45:55.400 Like just like all by coyotes broken down on the side of the road after getting out of your BMW?

00:46:00.520 That would have been the headline. I was.

00:46:01.800 Is there ever. Is there ever. Is there ever.

00:46:03.240 Is there ever. Is there ever. Is there ever a time when coyotes aren't circling you?

00:46:08.280 Yeah. Vultures up ahead.

00:46:10.760 Most of the vultures. They travel with me.

00:46:14.840 I feel that they should pay, you know, pay my fare.

00:46:19.720 Alicia.

00:46:21.960 All those stories just revealed that I was more manly than Ben at my most pregnant with my

00:46:26.520 second child because I put a spare tire on my family wagon because it was also a four hour wait,

00:46:31.800 even though L.A. did not get a blizzard. So, yay that.

00:46:34.280 All right.

00:46:34.840 Alicia, let me reiterate. I'm very wealthy.

00:46:41.080 Good point. All right. The next question goes to the God King.

00:46:44.600 Jeremy Boring. This subscriber must not know about Daily Wire 2 because they want to know if the

00:46:50.360 Daily Wire, you know, it's entering into entertainment. You know, you're expanding all of the shows.

00:46:55.000 You're bringing on new talent. You're writing and scripting movies. They want to know about sports.

00:46:59.240 Yeah. Well, as you say, they obviously haven't been fans of the Daily Wire for long because we do

00:47:05.320 very intensive sports coverage every, is it three, three, every three years.

00:47:10.520 Four, right? Four years, yeah.

00:47:11.880 World Cup. I mean, whenever the World Cup happens, I cannot be bothered to know.

00:47:16.440 Yeah. We do the Daily Wire 2 coverage of the event. Michael and I have been covering it very

00:47:23.240 well, lo these many years. Other than that, if you're talking about real sports that people are

00:47:27.640 interested in that aren't anti-American and that should be played by a first world country,

00:47:32.680 I think it's a great idea. We have talked about it. I think it'd be a lot of fun to create a deeper

00:47:37.400 collaboration with our friends over at OutKick. They have a great attitude. They're absolutely

00:47:41.560 hilarious. Clay Travis is kind of a hero. He's right here in Nashville.

00:47:45.800 But if he covered soccer, no doubt. No, we could call it

00:47:49.240 Daily Wire 3. So we can keep Daily Wire 2, but then we can put the sports.

00:47:54.280 So there's Daily Wire 1, which is politics. There's Daily Wire 3, which is sports. And Daily Wire 2,

00:48:01.480 for that other thing. It's a great idea. The every four years thing. The next question is for Drew.

00:48:10.600 Drew, people want to know what projects are you working on now that you have a little more free

00:48:15.080 time since you don't have your daily show. And more importantly, are there any people that will

00:48:19.960 work with you in Hollywood since you're a very open conservative? No, there are no people in

00:48:25.960 Hollywood. But I am as busy as I have ever been. Well, you got to sand that coffin, really.

00:48:32.440 Sanding the coffin. You got to be ready. It could happen any minute.

00:48:37.640 But no, I'm as busy as I've ever been. I just sold. I'm so delighted that I just sold

00:48:43.320 to Thomas Nelson, the Christian publishers who published my memoir. I sold my essentially the

00:48:48.760 sequel to my memoir, which is about literature and the gospel. Does it have a better title?

00:48:52.760 No. No. It's called The Truth and Beauty. So you'll hate it.

00:48:57.880 It would be so much better if it was called Yet Another Thing.

00:49:01.320 The Better Thing. I am writing.

00:49:04.520 You know the thing. You know the thing.

00:49:08.680 I just finished a draft of the script we're going to do here, I hope. And another project,

00:49:15.560 script. And I've got a new series of mystery novels coming out. So I'm as busy as I have ever been.

00:49:20.680 And it's only because of my hatred for Knowles that I've come here at all.

00:49:26.760 So I can insult him. That's good, because when he plots, there will be just this whole trunk

00:49:31.000 filled with unfinished manuscript that we can put out there one by one.

00:49:34.840 What is it? Did you take insurance out on me?

00:49:36.280 Policygenius.com

00:49:38.680 All right. Talking about scripts. Ben, everyone in the chat wants to know,

00:49:47.240 have you seen a script for Gina's movie? What will it be about? And when is it coming out?

00:49:52.600 So actually, this question is better directed at Jeremy. So I will say that there are active and

00:49:58.360 ongoing talks about what exactly the script should be. I know that Jeremy is waiting through scripts

00:50:02.520 right now looking for the right project. But because it is a development process,

00:50:07.080 and because we're working on a very personal level with Gina, it's going to take a little

00:50:11.480 bit of time for us to find exactly what we want to do.

00:50:13.320 I think it's important for people to understand that part of what Gina wants in building this next

00:50:18.200 stage of her career is not just to be an actress for hire, but to be a producer.

00:50:21.480 She wants the ability to actually help craft the story, to put her mark on whatever her next project is.

00:50:26.600 Because we're working once again with our friends over at Bonfire Legend, Dallas Sunier is going to

00:50:31.720 produce Gina's film. He read 60 scripts over the weekend. I looked at him, he was a shell of a

00:50:39.240 man, you know. He couldn't tell you about any of them. He'd be like, which one did you like best?

00:50:42.680 He goes, well, there's a Western and a spaceship. And I'm like, okay, get some sleep. Send me the 15 or

00:50:48.280 16 best scripts, which he has done, and we're working our way through them.

00:50:51.320 By the way, they should hire me for this too. Because I've got a great idea.

00:51:02.040 What we're learning from Drew is he's never going to retire. And if he does retire,

00:51:05.160 then he'll end up in the trunk eaten by coyotes or something, if Ben's wish comes true.

00:51:09.000 All right. So then the next question, since the God King answered that,

00:51:13.240 the God King answered that last one. So Ben, I'll toss this one to you. It's a very good question.

00:51:17.400 Somebody wants to know, hey, I've become a Daily Wire subscriber,

00:51:20.360 but what are you doing to protect yourself against big tech? As we saw with Parler and

00:51:25.000 other conservative sites that are just shut down because people like Google and Amazon say,

00:51:30.440 hey, we're not going to allow you on our servers. Have you guys protected the Daily Wire and the

00:51:34.760 subscribers against something like that? So we definitely have been working on

00:51:38.200 figuring out alternative platforms that we could shift over to in case something like Amazon Web Services,

00:51:43.240 what they did at Parler ever happens to us. We've expended enormous time and energy and some money

00:51:47.640 on exactly this sort of question. Again, I'm going to miss I'm going to redirect the question to

00:51:52.120 Jeremy, because if for people to understand how the Daily Wire works, basically all business questions

00:51:56.040 go here and all ideological questions go here and all questions about cigars that go there and all

00:52:01.320 questions about not paying the bills go there and all questions about just general malaise and cynicism

00:52:08.280 go there. That's basically the breakdown. And if you want somebody who's nice to you, then Alicia's

00:52:12.360 here too. Yeah, that's right. I'll say that as Ben said, yeah, we've expended a lot of time into this

00:52:17.400 question since what happened to Parler took place. The truth is the problem is greater than any company

00:52:23.320 is going to be able to answer. You know, Amazon Web Services controls the servers for 50% of the entire

00:52:32.200 world wide web. It's an unbelievable amount of infrastructure. So when people are like, why don't

00:52:37.800 you build your own servers? It'd be like if in in 1982, the telephone companies had gotten involved

00:52:45.400 in censorship and somebody had said, well, why don't you just build your own phone company? And my answer

00:52:49.480 would be, OK, it took 100 years to run phone lines to every rural household across a continent. That's

00:52:57.960 what you're talking about. And what if we build all these servers? We go raise $100 billion or a

00:53:03.720 trillion dollars to build the kind of infrastructure on the server side that you need. And then Amazon

00:53:08.680 never actually acts against another conservative, but the ISP providers do. Like the problem that faces

00:53:17.480 conservatives is so vast. And to take on any part of it would take the wealth of a small nation to try

00:53:23.960 to conquer. And then that may not be the attack vector. There are like 100 attack vectors that need

00:53:28.680 to be solved. So what I really believe needs to happen here is several things. On one hand,

00:53:34.680 we need not to reinvent all of this, but to diversify our reliance on any one platform. So to Ben's point,

00:53:42.360 we're looking at other potential data facilities, some that you might be able to put yourself on,

00:53:47.800 some that you might be able to actually use as almost a shadow server where we're constantly being

00:53:52.040 updated on a backup server. And if something happens, you can very quickly and seamlessly

00:53:55.720 move yourself over. Very expensive, not as expensive as building Amazon web services.

00:54:00.680 But more than that, I think what needs to happen is conservative millionaires and billionaires need

00:54:06.760 to change the way that they think about technology. There's a reason that Amazon can kick you off.

00:54:11.960 It's that conservatives have no power at Amazon. There's a reason Facebook can kick you off.

00:54:16.600 Conservatives have no or very little power at Facebook. There's a reason that Twitter can treat you

00:54:20.600 the way they do. You don't have a problem of conservatives being run out of their homes

00:54:25.640 because conservatives are great at real estate. You don't have a problem of conservatives running

00:54:29.000 out of gas. Conservatives are great at energy. There's just these different spheres that draw

00:54:33.800 people with different mentalities. And I think the proof that conservatives don't have the mentality

00:54:40.040 necessary to solve this problem is actually in the question, are we building our own servers?

00:54:46.200 The answer to the problems of bifurcated use of technology is not that we build what they

00:54:54.760 currently have. There are conversations happening all over the world right now in real time that

00:55:01.240 make servers obsolete. There are people talking about blockchain. There are people talking about

00:55:05.640 things beyond blockchain, the names of which I don't know. There are kids with backpacks going to

00:55:09.960 left-wing billionaires and left-wing venture capital funds and left-wing angel investors and

00:55:15.560 creating the future. And we're not a part of those conversations either. And the answer to how do you

00:55:22.680 solve the problem of it took a century to build all those phone lines isn't to go try to replicate

00:55:27.800 that. It's to invent the cell phone. And until we change our mentality, we're just going to lose on

00:55:32.680 whatever the next thing is to whatever the next thing is. And we're going to build some crappy

00:55:36.440 alternative version of what they've already got. And it's not, it's just going to further ghettoize

00:55:40.840 us. We have to completely change the way that we think about. Can I ask a follow-up question to

00:55:45.080 this? Because one of the things that is very frustrating to me is that conservatives seem

00:55:50.760 very, very reluctant to think that there may be legal remedies here. But it does seem that

00:55:57.240 at some point, this is a new technology and the new technology needs new law. And it needs new law

00:56:04.120 to make sure that all of us have a chance to speak. If this is the way we speak to one another,

00:56:08.840 and it is, we should be able to speak to one another, no matter what our political beliefs

00:56:13.880 are. And so isn't, isn't there some place for lobbying, lobbying and I'll say two things and

00:56:19.240 then I'll let the lawyer talk. The first one is conservatives need to embrace lawfare.

00:56:24.040 It's deeply distasteful. It's horrible. It's against our, but we actually need to embrace it

00:56:29.640 because those are the weapons being used against us. That's the battle. But, but I'll also say this.

00:56:34.200 One, one reason that the Daily Wire, we're not safe, but we are far less likely to be kicked off of

00:56:41.720 servers than is Parler. It's because Parler wasn't conducting any actual economic activity.

00:56:48.520 Parler is a, is a free platform and everybody who's using is using it for free. They don't have a vast ad

00:56:53.080 network. If, if some big tech company were to knock the Daily Wire off of their servers because

00:57:00.440 of speech or something like that, we have over a hundred employees. We do millions and millions of

00:57:07.880 dollars worth of business. We have tens of millions of fans. We have ads on our website

00:57:14.040 every day doing, you know, hundreds of thousands of micro transactions. That goes all the way to the

00:57:19.640 Supreme Court. There's actual damages. And one thing that has, one thing that you have to keep

00:57:23.640 in mind when you talk about the law is the concept of damages. And the damages are just fundamentally

00:57:28.040 different where we're concerned. This is why it happens. I mean, it's a, it's a sorry state of

00:57:32.360 affairs, but they're not unsophisticated about who they target. Yeah. I know that they target people

00:57:37.880 who have the weakest opportunity to challenge them. Yeah. And this is one of those areas where

00:57:43.720 you're starting to see some state action, right? Rhonda Santos has talked about

00:57:46.840 going after some of the tech companies and making it so that they can't do this sort of stuff.

00:57:50.840 It's great. Extending anti-discrimination law

00:57:52.760 toward politics in the arena of technology, particularly free speech platforms. And it seems

00:57:57.080 to me that if we've restricted freedom of association so strongly in this country that

00:58:00.040 we already have anti-discrimination law that applies to every single element of American life,

00:58:04.120 except for your politics, right? You can't, you can't discriminate against somebody on the basis of

00:58:08.280 religion, sex, age, disability, anything. And nobody is in favor of that sort of discrimination,

00:58:13.080 but it used to be that freedom of association meant that you just sort of had to deal with

00:58:15.800 the fact that sometimes people didn't want to hang out with you, but the left has completely

00:58:18.760 made that obsolete, right? You have to hang out with whoever the left says you have to hang out

00:58:21.720 with and you have to do business with whoever the left says you have to do business with.

00:58:24.680 I think there's going to be a strong move made, particularly in red states,

00:58:28.120 against some of these corporations saying, if you guys start booting people,

00:58:31.800 then we are going to take legal action against you. You're going to have violated our state law.

00:58:36.120 Is there a concern that you can no longer have ideological organizations, for example,

00:58:43.240 that the Daily Wire would have to hire left-wing activists to be employed?

00:58:47.560 So you'd have to create actual legal carve-outs. You'd have to say, if you're an overtly partisan

00:58:51.480 organization, then you can do this in the same way that there are religious carve-outs for

00:58:55.160 anti-discrimination law, right? So you'd have to do that for overtly political organizations. It would

00:58:59.320 pose a problem for 501c3s particularly. There are a lot of political 501c3s that have a conservative or a

00:59:03.960 liberal event. And because they're a non-profit, they can't be overtly associated with the party

00:59:08.600 or not associated with the party. And so it could get very muddy very fast. I mean, listen,

00:59:12.360 in my preferred world, as much as I hate discrimination, I hate cracking down on freedom

00:59:16.920 of association more in the same way that as much as I hate vile speech, I hate cracking down on

00:59:21.400 free speech more. But it seems like that ship may have already sailed. So as long as that ship has

00:59:25.000 already sailed, then the only alternative left is going to be an extension of anti-discrimination law

00:59:29.480 into the field of politics that already exists in a place like California. It's just never

00:59:31.960 been enforced, really. And this is such an important key because we can say,

00:59:35.400 well, we don't like this. I really wish we lived in a different world. But as you say,

00:59:39.240 Jeremy, we've got to play with what we've got. You know, politics involves eternal principles.

00:59:44.760 It also involves applying those principles to real circumstances that are always changing.

00:59:49.720 And if we want to survive, if we want to be smart about this, then you've got to play the game.

00:59:54.040 And there's a difference between using the weapons that are the weapons of the battlefield

00:59:58.600 and using the logic that they use. I'd always agree with this. I totally agree. It's what we

01:00:02.680 always said about mutually assured destruction, right? When we launched Truth Revolt, we said,

01:00:05.320 we hate the tactics that we're about to use. Right. As soon as you guys stop using them,

01:00:08.120 we'll stop using them. Right. Right. And I think that that's accurate as far as a lot of these

01:00:11.640 things, which is, you know, there's only one thing that is worse than having a nuclear weapon,

01:00:16.040 and that's everybody else having one and you not having one. Yeah. Right. And that's right. And it

01:00:20.120 always bothers me. We play this hypocrisy game with the left, which I think is actually destructive. So the

01:00:25.080 left says, you know, you said it was a dark day when Obama was elected. Dark means that you didn't

01:00:30.760 like the color of his skin. You think like, that's not what it meant. But you said this,

01:00:34.600 which is accepting their terms of battle. Yeah. And I don't, I don't agree with this at all. I mean,

01:00:39.480 I, I'm really offended by the racial pathology of the left. I think it is, I think it is irreverent

01:00:47.640 to the human condition. I think that the, to treat people according to the color of their skin

01:00:53.160 is a wrong. And I think it's wrong no matter what color their skin is. I don't care if they're

01:00:58.520 hypocrites about it. I want it to stop. I want to say that, no, you know, if you're a black guy who

01:01:04.560 did a bad thing, you did a bad thing. You're a white guy who did a bad thing. You did a bad thing.

01:01:08.640 I don't care. I'm taking people as they come. And the idea now that they they're selling to us,

01:01:13.080 that anti, that being a non-racist is racist. Yeah. Is, is insane. Right. You can't,

01:01:19.280 you can't be non-racist. So I, I, the racist or anti-racist, there's no third category called

01:01:24.360 non-racist. That's why I think, that's why I think cancel culture is so dangerous because what it does

01:01:29.240 is it makes people afraid to say your entire premise is wrong. So this is, this is the biggest

01:01:35.380 thing I think that when we, when we talk about cancel culture, it's easy to point to the big

01:01:38.360 circumstances of cancel culture, like Chris Harrison or, or Gina. Um, but the reality is the

01:01:43.240 people that affects most are the people who are the low level employees at Disney. That's right.

01:01:47.540 Because they, right. The people it affects most are not people like the people sitting in this room

01:01:50.440 who talk for a living, right. Or, or do business at a high level in politics. The people that affects

01:01:54.820 the most are the people who work for Coca-Cola and who make $45,000 a year and don't have the labor

01:02:00.020 mobility to be able to just move over to Pepsi, especially when Pepsi is teaching the exact same

01:02:03.580 kind of stuff. What cancel culture is about is intimidating everybody into silence. It's not even

01:02:07.480 about canceling anybody. It's about putting a head on a pike. And the more heads you put on pikes,

01:02:11.240 more people are scared to speak out. And they know that, which is why they're going to keep putting

01:02:14.020 heads on pikes. In fact, it is imperative that they keep putting heads on pikes because the minute,

01:02:17.540 that the heads on the pike stop, somebody might push back against their dominance.

01:02:21.180 And that's why, that's why I get so, I get so disgusted. I'm almost at the point with cancel

01:02:25.180 culture when a high profile person gets canceled and they start apologizing like Chris Harrison did.

01:02:31.500 Right. Um, agree.

01:02:32.640 I'm at the point where I despise you more, right. For apologizing that I do, that I do despise the

01:02:38.720 mob for canceling you in the first place. Like Chris Harrison is such a perfect example. Uh,

01:02:43.100 and we didn't even mention it in that interview that we originally talked about. He, he, he was,

01:02:48.740 it was at, he was so circuitous in, in standing up to, he could not have been less aggressive in

01:02:56.200 what he said. And he kept, uh, articulating, he kept, he kept reiterating that, well, I'm not

01:03:01.360 defending her and I don't really know. And she might be a racist, but look guys, maybe just,

01:03:05.960 maybe we shouldn't be destroying people's lives over this. And they still canceled him anyway.

01:03:10.120 And then what does he do? He falls to his, to his knees and apologizes and admits, he says,

01:03:15.660 yeah, I am a racist. I mean, he, he, he, he accepts their, their accusations against him,

01:03:19.700 even though he's not a racist. If you do that, then you're just as bad as them. And you're also

01:03:24.580 all the other, the smaller people, the people you're talking about who don't have this kind

01:03:28.540 of platform, you're throwing them under the bus too. You're not just as bad as them. You're

01:03:33.020 actually worse because you're, you're, you've got all of their vices and cowardice, but they're not

01:03:38.540 power. And that's why, I mean, they're actually, that's why, that's why I just want to say the,

01:03:41.920 the, the genre of the public apology has to go away. Even if what you did was wrong. Now

01:03:48.720 in Chris Harrison's case, all these other cases, Gina Carano, like they didn't do anything

01:03:51.880 wrong, but even if you did something wrong and the cancel culture is coming after you,

01:03:55.660 a great example, still don't apologize for Morgan Wallen. I don't know if you guys track

01:03:59.000 this story. One of the biggest country stars in the world has a new album out. It's fantastic.

01:04:04.480 Dick. He's a bit of a hell raiser, probably not our kind of guy. Uh, he gets home from

01:04:09.820 a long night of partying. Uh, he's not being a very good neighbor. He gets out of a couple

01:04:13.980 of pickup trucks in front of his house. Some of his buddies, they're honking on the horn.

01:04:17.860 I know it's one 30 in the morning or something in a dick. And, uh, he's yelling at some of

01:04:24.100 his buddies and he uses a series of jocular pejoratives to describe his buddies. None of

01:04:30.880 which is his actual friends. None of which can be said on this show.

01:04:34.480 He calls them nincompoops and nincompoops and poopy breath, all of it. Then, uh, his neighbor

01:04:44.780 who's probably rightfully ticked off at the guy. It's one 30 in the morning. You're trying

01:04:48.760 to sleep. Apparently on their security camera, their, their doorbell camera, uh, the next

01:04:53.220 morning realizes that you can hear him using these words against his friends. And one of

01:04:58.400 them is that one word that no one in America is allowed to say, except for all of Hollywood.

01:05:04.480 Uh, children at church. Uh, if you're of a particular race. Yeah. Um, and so for this

01:05:11.360 total Soviet style erase erasure, he is dropped by his label. He is dropped by his songs are

01:05:20.200 climbing the charts. He's dropped by his label. He's dropped by both of the major radio entities in

01:05:25.700 the country who, who collectively own all of the radio stations. He's dropped by his country music

01:05:32.520 awards. Took them off. The country music awards is qualifies him. The AMA is it. Everybody just

01:05:36.700 qualifies him. He, he said something distasteful. He said several distasteful things. He said one

01:05:44.040 thing that we as a society know there are special rules around. I actually don't accept those rules.

01:05:49.360 I don't, uh, agree with those rules, but there's no denying the existence of those rules. Um,

01:05:54.840 nevertheless, he said it in a non-racial context to his friends privately. It was captured essentially

01:06:00.280 by a disgruntled voyeuristic neighbor. Uh, and for this, we've erased him from, from civilization.

01:06:06.040 He didn't do anything wrong. He did do something gross. Yeah. He didn't do anything wrong. He did

01:06:12.940 not do anything racist. The apology that he put out to the people who have destroyed his life on

01:06:20.440 the basis of nothing grants them. Right. Grants them their premise. Will they give him his career

01:06:27.760 back? Of course, they're not going to give him his career back, but there's no redemption.

01:06:33.580 Think about the asymmetry here for a second too, because when you say he didn't do anything wrong,

01:06:37.880 well, he did something wrong. He came home late. He woke up his neighbors. He was a jerk, you know,

01:06:41.500 so he's using words he shouldn't use, but he didn't use them, but he didn't use them in the

01:06:44.960 way that is the racist way to use that word. Right. Find a black guy and shout the N word at

01:06:48.780 him. Right. If you're thinking about what sort of punishment these sorts of things should entail,

01:06:53.300 should it entail destroying your entire life and erasing you from society? There's no

01:06:57.780 proportionality here. This is the thing though, that I think that too many conservatives don't

01:07:02.000 understand, which is this is the fight that we're in. So we're not in the fight where we have to

01:07:07.000 storm Normandy, where we have to come off the ships and the machine guns are coming up.

01:07:11.120 This is the fight we're in. Right. And so, and so when you say, oh, this is going to cost you

01:07:15.620 money, or this is going to cost you your job, or this is going to cost you your friends. This is

01:07:21.140 the fight we're in. And those guys who stormed Normandy actually got bullets in the head and

01:07:25.300 were killed, lost their lives. And I'm worried that like, we don't understand as a, as a half of

01:07:32.840 the country, we don't understand that the losses we're suffering are the losses you suffer when you

01:07:38.100 are in a fight that has to be won. And you're going to, and you're going to, you're going to

01:07:41.260 suffer those losses anyway. That's what, if the cancel mob is coming after you, what you have to

01:07:45.240 understand is there's a very good chance that they, that they will destroy your life. They might not.

01:07:49.860 I mean, you might, you might beat them. Gina Carano beat them. You might not beat them. They

01:07:53.960 might destroy you, but that's going to happen anyway. And so what you can decide right now is

01:07:58.380 whether you're going to have your dignity on the way out. Morgan Wallen decided that he's not going to

01:08:02.440 have his dignity because he apologized to these people. Here's the thing about an apology.

01:08:05.860 You apologize to people who you have actually harmed. And so if Morgan Wallen had gone to his

01:08:12.160 neighbors and knocked on their door personally without any cameras there and said, listen, if I,

01:08:16.460 you know, if you had to hear that, I'm so sorry. I apologize to you. That was obnoxious.

01:08:20.520 Had a few too many. I should have gotten home earlier. Sorry. And then if he had just gone

01:08:23.960 and done his video thing and said, listen, I, I spoke to my neighbors. I'm not going to tell you

01:08:28.260 what that conversation was. It's none of your business, but to all you people out there that are

01:08:31.600 trying to destroy me, I do not apologize to you because you were not harmed by what I did.

01:08:36.200 You don't really care. You're excited for the opportunity to destroy my life just because

01:08:40.180 you get a kick out of it. So I do not apologize to you if you were offended. I'm glad you were

01:08:44.120 offended. That's all I have to say about it. You've got to do this. And the thing is, if he had said

01:08:48.760 that, he'd be in the same spot today that he is, that he is anyway. And it really, but I do think

01:08:52.600 there's a special duty that adheres to people who have the power to do that. Because if Morgan Wallen

01:08:57.000 had done that, it would have meant a hell of a lot more than the local employee at Coca-Cola,

01:09:00.340 right? When we, when we like what we did with Gina, I think is, I don't mean pat ourselves on the back,

01:09:04.900 but we deserve a pat on the back. We're Mother Teresa. I mean, like,

01:09:07.440 and I think the audience knows this, which is why we had the best week we've ever had in the

01:09:12.840 history of the company over this. The, the, by, by putting our money where our mouth is and saying,

01:09:19.240 we're not going to allow people to be canceled. That was a statement in the culture. And that's

01:09:22.580 a statement that more business people need to make. I mean, I'll be real with you. I would hire

01:09:26.900 Morgan Wallen tomorrow. I tried to reach out to Morgan Wallen. Right. I mean, I would,

01:09:29.820 I would hire Morgan Wallen tomorrow because I don't think that what Morgan Wallen did was intended

01:09:34.260 to harm black people. And I don't think that what he did, did harm black people. Right. I think that

01:09:38.400 what he did was be an ass. Right. And, and guess what? Being an ass is a bad thing to do. And again,

01:09:43.560 you should apologize to his neighbor, but that is a legal thing to do in the United States. And

01:09:46.560 sometimes people are asses and there should be forgiveness available to people who are asses.

01:09:49.500 And again, and again, the president of the United States won't help schools open. So black

01:09:54.020 people can send their children to get educated. The real things aren't happening.

01:09:58.860 You know, there's a phrase that Jeremy once said, uh, in a, in a very similar sort of

01:10:03.040 cancellation situation. And it, it resonates here. And that is that, uh, cowards get their

01:10:07.720 friends killed. And that's, that's really what we're talking about here because it's not just

01:10:11.420 that they're a coward because they're backing down in the hopes that they'll get their career

01:10:14.120 back. It's the cowardice that gets everybody else killed because now you've set the new

01:10:17.440 standard and you've reinforced the standard. This came up originally in the context of Mark

01:10:21.240 Duplass, who of course is this famous director, producer, actor who committed the grave sin

01:10:26.580 of once having said a nice thing about me on Twitter, right? He came to the office. I gave

01:10:29.620 him an hour and a half of my time. I cancel him for that. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, of course,

01:10:33.080 but I gave an hour and a half of my time. We talked about the second amendment stuff. I was

01:10:36.220 very nice to him. And as he was leaving, I said, for your own sake, do not post on social media that

01:10:40.580 you were here because they're going to wreck you for it. And a couple of weeks later, he got it into

01:10:43.580 his head that he was going to do a nice thing. And he tweeted out, I miss, I disagree with Ben Shapiro about a lot

01:10:47.420 of things, but he did a nice thing for me when he didn't have to. And he's well-intentioned. He got hit

01:10:50.620 so hard that he not only pulled down that tweet, he then issued a groveling apology, right? And then

01:10:54.840 what ended up happening on the back of that groveling apology is that James Gunn came out

01:10:58.000 and defended him. And then everybody on the right resurfaced James Gunn's old material and James Gunn

01:11:01.700 ended up getting fired, right? And I ended up defending James Gunn in this bizarre situation.

01:11:06.220 So I was like, Dan knows, like just by existing, I took out half the Marvel universe. And what Jeremy

01:11:11.200 said at the time is the thing about cowards is they rarely get themselves killed. They get all their

01:11:15.040 friends killed. Because when you duck out of the battle, what you end up doing is granting the

01:11:18.720 opposition their entire premise. And that premise is then used against all the people who heretofore

01:11:23.020 were your friends. And so that's exactly right. You should only, apologies are a wonderful thing

01:11:27.560 when you have done a wrong thing. If you want to have a good marriage, apologize first thing in

01:11:30.680 the morning to your wife, right? But the reality- Every morning. It doesn't matter what you've done.

01:11:35.540 Every husband does. It's the first word out of your mouth in the morning. But when it comes to public

01:11:40.220 policy, the issuing of these malice struggle session apologies for things that you haven't done wrong

01:11:45.140 to people you have not wrong. When people issue apologies and they say to everyone who is offended

01:11:49.740 by this, well, no, if you're offended by this wrongly, I'm sorry, your emotions may even be

01:11:54.340 authentic. But that does not mean they are justified. And you do not deserve an apology.

01:11:57.860 Well, you know, on this point of Maoism, I think that's actually the perfect term. There was this

01:12:02.340 phenomenon in the 70s with the New York Radical Women's Group. They coined the term or sort of

01:12:07.620 popularized the term consciousness raising. And there were these famous meetings where you'd get all

01:12:11.680 these housewives to come together and they would, I call them wine and cheese soirees. They'd just

01:12:16.140 complain the whole time. And there's a famous essay about this by Carol Hainish. And she says that there

01:12:21.420 was a woman who came and she said, you know, before I came here tonight, ladies, I had no idea how

01:12:26.460 oppressed I was, but darn it when I am so oppressed and furious and aggrieved. Yeah. And you see this now,

01:12:33.100 people trying to convince themselves to be aggrieved and offended by some public comment that no one

01:12:38.780 cares about. I want to say one thing in Mark Wallen's, is it Mark? Morgan. I'm sorry. I just

01:12:43.880 had a, in Morgan Wallen's defense. And that's that I think that for us, we live in this space and we

01:12:51.120 know about this fight. I think when, when they come for you and you haven't thought about these

01:12:56.000 things in advance, that's a really good point. They are taking your life and your name. We talked

01:13:00.540 about it with Gina. And you think you can save it. And your good name away. And not just that,

01:13:04.240 everybody who's surrounding you is telling you to do it. Yeah. I mean, honestly,

01:13:06.760 the best thing that happened to Gina and this whole thing is that her agency didn't dump her

01:13:09.740 because if her agency hadn't dumped her, we would have called her up. And you know,

01:13:13.060 her agent would have said, don't take their call. No way. Don't take her call. Because if you work

01:13:16.460 with them, you'll never work at this town again. Now, the reality is they were never going to let

01:13:19.140 Gina work in the town again anyway. Right. Right. But her agent would have said, no, maybe in a few

01:13:22.700 years, you know, you go away for a while, you kind of earn your way back in with bit parts.

01:13:26.500 I guarantee what happened with Morgan Wallen is that his initial reaction was probably,

01:13:29.580 I don't even know what is going on right now. And his agent got on the phone with him and his agent

01:13:33.580 probably said to him, listen, you need to issue an apology right now. Maybe we can put out this

01:13:37.040 fire right now and then the news cycle will move on. But you need to at least issue the apology.

01:13:41.240 And if you've never been through the fire, it is egregious. I mean, it is truly one of the worst.

01:13:47.600 I can tell you that as a person who gets trended on Twitter, approximately every two and a half

01:13:51.240 weeks. Right. I mean, it is never fun, whether it is justified or unjustified. It is never fun.

01:13:56.480 And that's just somebody who does it professionally. Right. I basically trend on Twitter

01:13:59.080 professionally. If you are somebody who only trends once in your life and that time is because

01:14:03.980 you are losing your job and your livelihood and it's a tsunami of media coverage, like a tsunami,

01:14:08.580 because the more you trend, the less big the bumps are, honestly, like in terms of the differential

01:14:12.560 from norm. Like the normal for me is that I get mentioned on Twitter a lot. And then on a few days

01:14:17.000 a month, I get mentioned like a super lot. But if you're Gina, you don't get mentioned on Twitter

01:14:21.360 all that often, except for people who are saying they enjoy you in the Mandalorian. And then one day

01:14:24.620 you are the only thing that everyone in the country is talking about. And the trend is followed by a

01:14:28.420 deluge of emails, often phone calls. And it's overwhelming. And people don't know that it passes

01:14:33.480 to, you know, before we started, Matt and I were talking about media matters who do nothing,

01:14:38.720 but they sit around and they listen to us and try and twist our words into. And publicize our shows.

01:14:43.740 And publicize our shows. They try to make us sound like terrible people for things that we say,

01:14:48.180 which in context are actually not terrible at all. And I have to admit, it's a terrible,

01:14:53.660 you're going to hate me for this. I actually have pity for them. That's your job. Your job is to

01:14:59.540 try and make other people look bad and to listen to us. And I just think like, you know, at the end

01:15:03.820 of your life, like you're going to stand before the throne of God and he's going to go like,

01:15:07.260 what did you do? These are damaged people. There's no question about that. And it does get to your

01:15:14.840 point, which is I don't, I don't need to accept their standard. You know, if they, if they basically

01:15:19.760 on the left, all they exist to do is call us all racist every day. And then one day a clip of Joe

01:15:25.000 Biden goes around and it's, he stumbles on his words cause it's a day that ends in Y and he sort

01:15:30.100 of sounds like he said the N word. And then we all sort of giggle about that. I don't care. I don't

01:15:34.660 think he really said that. I don't, I don't think he is some bigot. I don't think that I just think

01:15:40.320 it's playing into their game, pointing out a hypocrisy that they don't care about cause they don't care

01:15:44.980 about the rules anyway. They just don't like us. I would much rather do what I'm going to do.

01:15:49.420 I would much rather build culture, make movies with people we want to work with, do those sorts

01:15:54.360 of things than worry about their stupid rules, which change every day.

01:15:56.920 Well, that's right. I mean, this is the thing that I cling to is that racism is an actual philosophy,

01:16:01.700 which I don't hold. I don't think any of the people in this room hold. It's not a slip of the

01:16:07.220 tongue. It's not something that you might've said that was untoward. It's not even a moment of anger

01:16:11.540 when some tribal glitch in your brain goes off. It's an actual way of life. I know racists. They,

01:16:17.860 they actually think the things that these people are being canceled for. I just don't accept the

01:16:24.040 terms. I do not accept the terms of the argument. I don't accept that. As you say, if, if somebody

01:16:29.280 shouted a word, he shouldn't shout. Well, that's a bad thing, but it's not necessarily a racist

01:16:33.760 thing. This thing you're talking about the bachelor. I just think it's absurd, especially because we

01:16:39.400 know it's a grift because of the governor of Virginia who doesn't get canceled for it because

01:16:43.540 then a Republican. I'll even go a step further. Shouting a racial pejorative is not necessarily

01:16:49.280 racist. That's right. That's right. No, you're absolutely right. Doing something racist does

01:16:56.120 not necessarily make you a racist. It means you did a racist thing. So there are, there are actually

01:17:00.960 even, there's an, even another gradiation, which is, I think a very interesting point you just made.

01:17:05.020 Like sometimes people in their worst moments actually do succumb to the worst thoughts.

01:17:09.800 That's right. That doesn't actually define them. You know, people say all the time, like,

01:17:14.100 and this is not to let them off the hook. This is to point out that there are gradations of sin.

01:17:17.480 There are gradations of sin. And what the left has decided is there are no gradations of sin.

01:17:20.260 There is just the damned and the woke and that's it. That's right. There, there, this thing that

01:17:23.920 people used to say back in college, it's like, well, you know, you'd, you'd have a couple too many

01:17:27.960 drinks and you'd say something you shouldn't about one of your buddies or whatever. And you'd apologize the next

01:17:31.860 day. And they'd be like, no, what you say when you're drunk is that's who you really are. I saw the real

01:17:35.600 you, uh, because all your inhibitions were gone. You said what you really believe. And that never

01:17:40.340 resonated with me. Yeah, that's ridiculous. What I actually thought was, no, when my inhibitions were

01:17:45.680 gone, when my rational mind was gone, when I was only given into my vices and racist passions, you're,

01:17:53.200 you're, you're saying that that's the real me, but no, the real me is all of the things that I've built

01:17:58.400 on top of my worst impulse. That's right. Right. All the things that I've built on top of my

01:18:02.180 intrinsic tribalistic way of looking at things or my selfish ways of looking at things or my,

01:18:08.600 you know, vain ways of looking at things or my hateful way. We all have the seed of sin in us.

01:18:14.760 What we build on top of that is the real us. This is why we, you know, uh, when I was talking about,

01:18:20.140 uh, rush a lot of this week, as we all were in thinking about rush. Uh, and, um, uh, you know,

01:18:25.600 I was really, uh, obviously, I think all of us were really just moved by the passing of this guy

01:18:29.860 and all these liberals celebrating his death and publishing things that he had said, some of

01:18:36.840 which were untoward. Most of the things they published, he never said, but now and again,

01:18:41.360 he said something that I thought, like, I don't agree with that. And I don't think probably rush if

01:18:45.600 you pushed him to the wall would agree with it, but he spoke three hours a day live to people.

01:18:50.420 That's more 30 years. That's 30 years. People speak to their spouses. You do not speak to your

01:18:55.420 spouse vastly a day. And I, and I, what I say to all these people is you ever say anything to your

01:19:00.460 spouse that you're glad didn't become. I mean, this is, this is what I have, but this is what

01:19:04.820 I wrote in the New York times, which frankly, I'm shocked that they solicited an op-ed from me. I

01:19:09.240 will, I will say, uh, they took out a slap I had at the New York times in that piece.

01:19:13.160 There was originally, I know I mentioned the fact that the headline in the New York times about rush

01:19:17.660 was that he had like turned talk radio into an aggressive right wing attack machine. And their headline

01:19:22.000 about Ayatollah Khomeini was thoughtful religious leader. Right. Um, but, but the, um, but the,

01:19:27.640 the point that I was making is that what the left did with rush is what they are going to do with all

01:19:32.220 of us. They're like the, so in, in Judaism, uh, so to teach you all about a different religion.

01:19:37.140 So in Judaism, Satan is not a character who's opposed to God. That's not what Satan is. Satan is

01:19:42.420 known as the accuser because he's essentially the prosecutor. The idea is that after you die, Satan comes

01:19:46.400 and he basically is the one who is going to try you in court before God. And he's the one who

01:19:51.460 strings together all of your sort of worst moments. Right. And, and that is what this is. And this

01:19:57.620 will come for all of us. I said in the piece that it wouldn't have mattered if it had been Tucker or

01:20:01.180 if it had been Sean or if it had been me, or if it had been you, or if it had been anybody who was

01:20:04.480 prominent on the right, the reaction would have been the same because all our lives would have been,

01:20:08.120 would have been a compendium of the worst moments of us taken out of context and robbed of all

01:20:13.540 meaning. Right. That's all it would have been. And that's what you saw in the CNN montage.

01:20:16.400 The montage of Rush was like Sandra Flock and it was the AIDS stuff from 1988. And it was,

01:20:21.020 it was all this, it was like the, out of the 30 years of material, what are the six worst things

01:20:25.880 he did? And can we use those things to rag on him? Can we use those things to characterize his

01:20:30.040 entire life? And we should all refuse to accept this frame. We should refuse to accept this frame.

01:20:35.240 The reality is that we are all a compendium of all the things that we've done over the course of

01:20:38.740 our life, most of which people never see. And for those of us who are in public life,

01:20:42.300 the notion that everything that you do can be boiled down into one bad tweet or one bad moment,

01:20:48.600 all that really is, is because it can be done to anybody, all that anybody, but it isn't, but it

01:20:53.500 isn't, but because it can be done to anybody, that's how you know who they hate, right? Because you can do

01:20:58.380 with anybody, literally anybody. Right. And be, but there's only one side of the aisle that they

01:21:02.240 choose to do this to. Those are the people that they cancel. And so don't accept the standard that

01:21:05.460 this is how people should be characterized. I think it's so important for us to reject this

01:21:09.420 framework for the sake of our children. Yes. Because our, our children, I mean, I feel somebody,

01:21:14.820 please think of the, let's actually think of the children because our kids, uh, not my kids,

01:21:21.680 but so many kids are, are starting out on social media at the age of like eight years old and, um,

01:21:28.180 or even if they started social media at 14 or 15 and, and just everything they think that

01:21:33.480 everything that enters their head is documented forever online. And you got to think about what

01:21:38.680 we're, what we're starting right now with this cancel culture. If it continues like this 30 years

01:21:42.940 from now, all of our children are ruined. Their, their lives are ruined. I'm legitimately grateful to

01:21:47.680 God that I grew up before cell phone. Oh my God. Right. You know, also on this rush point,

01:21:52.860 I mean, you, you figure these kids are going to be on social media all the time. Imagine what's

01:21:55.900 going to crop up. Imagine if you've been on air for three hours a day for, for 30 years and your job,

01:22:01.480 by the way, is to be provocative, especially earlier on in the career. And the best thing they

01:22:06.100 got on you is an AIDS joke you made in 1982. Can you imagine that? I think like I wake up in the

01:22:12.800 morning, right? We, we actually pray this sort of thing. It's like, God have mercy on me,

01:22:16.680 a miserable sinner. You think of these lines from Shakespeare of like, I could accuse myself

01:22:21.320 of such things that it would be better that my mother had not born me. All the sins we all commit.

01:22:26.600 That's the best they got on the guy. He's pretty clean. Pretty well. And we're taking out of,

01:22:31.160 like the other thing we're doing is we're not taking, of course, the time when these things

01:22:35.480 were said into context at all. And we, and we, you know, forget about 1980. We're going back to

01:22:39.860 the 1840s and saying like, whatever someone did back then, we're going to hold them to the

01:22:44.020 standards of the year 2021, which of course is complete madness. I mean, as somebody who was

01:22:48.640 writing publicly from the time I was 17, I can say the great majority of the things I regret having

01:22:52.060 written occurred between the ages of 17 and 22. Right. Right. Like the, because when you're first

01:22:56.220 starting out, number one, you're trying to get attention and number two, your thoughts aren't

01:22:59.120 fully formed. Right. Right. If you don't get better at what you do over time and become a better

01:23:02.240 thinker over time, you're not being a human being. Yeah. Right. That's just called maturing.

01:23:05.800 And so what the, and the media celebrate this stuff. This is how it's the easiest form of fake

01:23:10.520 journalism, right? This is the other thing is that the media have made an entire model. The same

01:23:13.840 people who whine about the fact that we get good traffic over at daily wire, because we happen to

01:23:17.320 be conservative and then say that we're clickbait. These are the same people who will run a 3000 word

01:23:22.080 piece about some jackass of a 19 year old student who decides to out a high school cheerleader who once

01:23:29.320 texted something about learning to drive and quoted a rap lyric with the N word in it and get her kicked

01:23:35.160 off the university of Tennessee cheerleading team. The New York times actually did that. The New York times

01:23:38.960 ran a long piece about this, this terrible student. I mean, this guy's a terrible person who literally

01:23:44.180 held, there's a 15 year old girl. As she got a driver's permit, she put up a video on her phone

01:23:48.840 saying something. I can drive now N word. And it was obviously meant to quote a rap lyric. I mean,

01:23:53.940 clearly meant to quote a rap lyric. Soft R. This was not an epithet aimed at racial. And everybody

01:23:59.000 acknowledged this, right? This is fully obvious. And this jerk decided, cause he was in her class,

01:24:04.120 he decided that he was going to hold onto this video. He waited until two, I think it was three years later,

01:24:08.460 just kept this video around. Waited until three years later when black lives matter happened. And

01:24:12.660 she made the grave misfortune of posting something in support of black lives matter. And he said, well,

01:24:17.500 you say you support black lives matter. You said this, boom, puts out the video. The university

01:24:21.640 of Tennessee withdraws her cheerleading scholarship, which was her dream was to be the, on the university

01:24:26.740 of Tennessee cheerleading team, which is one of the great cheerleading teams in the country.

01:24:29.360 She had to withdraw her entire admission from university of Tennessee over this. Okay. We are creating an

01:24:34.960 unlivable culture. It is only livable for people on the hard left. And by the way,

01:24:38.460 everybody knows this. Everybody knows. It's not even going to be livable for them.

01:24:43.000 Ultimately it's not. Yeah. Revolutions eat their own. Revolutions eat their own. Every one of them

01:24:47.620 is going to burn. All the people like you talk about our publicists over at media matters and

01:24:51.780 sleeping giants and Judd Lum Lum and Kevin Roos and Kara Swisher. They don't know. They're all doomed.

01:24:58.120 Right. Not because of us. Yeah. Not because of us. Yeah. Because they're not 23. Yeah. They're not woke

01:25:04.460 23-year-olds. The woke 23-year-olds will one day eat them for lunch. Yeah. Yeah. Think of poor Trotsky.

01:25:12.520 You know. Trotsky thought he had it so well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you ever hear a ringing in your

01:25:16.520 ear, guys, it's an ice pick. Ice pick. And it ain't us bringing it. It ain't us. But that's why,

01:25:20.880 you know, sometimes you hear people on the right and they'll lament this happening to some of the

01:25:23.600 cancelers. Nope. Nope. They deserve every bit of what they've got coming to them. They built this

01:25:29.160 and they deserve what they have coming to them. I can object to it happening to them and still

01:25:32.060 recognize that they have exactly what they built coming to them. It's really interesting to me who

01:25:36.660 has always, you know, I've been an artist all my life. Half the people I know are gay. I've worked

01:25:42.000 with all these gay people. I've always enjoyed their company. They're hilariously funny. All this stuff.

01:25:46.260 I once went snorkeling with Ryan Anderson when Harry became Salic. So I'm,

01:25:50.260 Ryan and I together as one gay guy. Yeah, that is. I mean, I don't know.

01:25:54.100 But I remember back in the day, seriously, liberals, liberals who wouldn't come back to my house

01:26:00.740 because they met a gay person there. They wouldn't come back to see me because they'd come to a party

01:26:05.820 and there was a gay couple there. And those same people, those same people are walking around with

01:26:10.380 their rainbow flags now and canceling anybody. And I just think like it's all malarkey. This is the

01:26:16.620 thing that really gets me. It's all a grift. It has nothing to do with the happiness of gay

01:26:23.240 people, of black people, of women, of trans. It has nothing to do with any of that. Is the world

01:26:27.240 happier because of cancel culture? It is much, much more. Well, this is, by the way, this is sort

01:26:31.420 of the thesis of the, my first book with words is this kind of, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:26:36.100 This is shocking. We'll see if I can finish it. But that political correctness basically replaces

01:26:40.960 moral codes with speech codes, the old moral codes with the new speech codes. So it matters much

01:26:45.020 less what you do. It actually doesn't really matter at all what you do. It matters what you say and

01:26:49.840 the imposition of that because the word can solve. It's like my fair lady, isn't it? It doesn't matter

01:26:53.440 what you do as long as you say it correctly. I think about this with the actor Armie Hammer.

01:26:57.400 Yeah, Armie. Who you guys know was many years ago, a good friend of mine, a good pal of mine. And

01:27:03.320 in later years, we've not been close. Our paths have taken us in different directions and he doesn't

01:27:08.580 share our politics, but still a guy I'm very fond of. And he said some things on, to some gals that

01:27:16.420 are hard to read. Yeah. They're weird. He expressed sexual predilections to them. And for that, he's

01:27:25.400 being erased from the world. I don't even understand the story. This is my point. So Armie says, you know,

01:27:31.120 I want to eat toes and I'd like to eat your rib and some other things. Right. And who among us

01:27:35.480 has it? Ribs are delicious. Oh, wait. Human. Oh, oh, oh. If just taking back what Adam once gave.

01:27:44.880 If Armie didn't need anybody. Yeah, right. Right. Armie didn't, uh, uh, drug and sodomize a 13 year

01:27:54.640 old girl like Roman Polanski did. And Harrison Ford flew to France to give him an honorary Oscar.

01:28:01.820 Yeah. Like this is why I don't get this. It's only what you say there. He, he expressed some words.

01:28:07.480 He expressed some dark fantasies. No, but wait, he, as I understood the story, he, he has some kind

01:28:13.960 of weird sexual fetish that he performed on some of these girls who were there. They didn't stop him

01:28:20.060 from doing this. I'm not understanding. I don't understand what he's being canceled for. Like in other

01:28:24.220 words, like I saw what he was doing. Engaged in consensual sex. Yeah. And he said that he would

01:28:29.120 like to eat a rib or eat a couple of toes. Yeah. Uh, in some direct messages. And for this,

01:28:33.340 he must be destroyed. Now I'm not making a moral defense of. No. Yeah, it is. It is definitely

01:28:38.640 very disordered. But I am saying what, what did he do? I'm just trying to think of puns to be honest

01:28:43.620 with you. Oh, come on. Come on. Yeah. There are a lot of good ones. Talk to me after the show.

01:28:49.540 That was an interesting story because it should, because Cosmopolitan magazine actually published

01:28:55.660 an article after that defending, um, cannibalism fetishes. That's right. And I read, I read the

01:29:02.900 article for some, I always, I read the article for some reason and it just struck me that, um,

01:29:08.900 that this is kind of off topic a little bit, but I guess, but it's just, our culture has no language

01:29:13.080 anymore to condemn any kind of perversion because it's all about consent. And so the, the only

01:29:20.760 language, the only, the only moral rule we have left is consent. And that's everything comes down

01:29:24.880 to consent. And as long as people consent, then we have no language with which to condemn anything.

01:29:29.580 And so this article was going through it, you know, it couldn't just come out and say, well,

01:29:34.880 this is wrong to want to eat people. That's weird and wrong. It couldn't say that. So instead it was

01:29:39.300 trying to figure out how, well, he didn't really have consent. Well, you know how they did this,

01:29:43.640 the greatest version of this, forget, forget Army's thing was Marilyn Manson. Marilyn Manson

01:29:48.420 is being accused by the actress, Evan Rachel Wood, who's very left-wing, but just testified on this

01:29:52.680 and some other women of engaging in very sort of bizarre sexual behaviors. We're not just talking

01:29:58.780 about fantasies anymore. And the thing is, these women were in longstanding relationships with him.

01:30:04.380 And so when Evan Rachel Wood, and I really take her side in this, but she's saying, well, I know

01:30:08.220 we were in a consensual relationship, but it wasn't really consensual because, you know, I was

01:30:13.600 brainwashed. He manipulated me, you know, fine. I, I totally understand that argument, but that

01:30:19.720 argument doesn't work in the modern liberal framework. I actually don't, I actually disagree

01:30:23.760 with you guys about this. I, I think I agree with a fundamental point that you're making that

01:30:28.780 consent isn't the ultimate definition of morality, but consent is consent, but that doesn't mean that

01:30:34.960 consent isn't a standard. I don't, I actually, I don't know. It's a legal standard for sure.

01:30:39.220 Most of all, that is the only standard that the left applies. So how do you cancel somebody on

01:30:42.440 the basis of violate, of violating a standard you have not violated? Right. Right. I mean,

01:30:46.120 I can understand conservatives saying that's weird and perverse and it's always wrong. And it's

01:30:50.860 always wrong. We're not going to be patronizing businesses with people who want to eat each

01:30:54.120 other's toes because it's weird. But for liberals, for whom literally nothing is off limits so long

01:30:59.520 as it is consensual, there is no, there is no basis for canceling. It's a weak, it's a weak

01:31:03.740 standard. So, but the, but the point is they, they've, if, if your standard for judging the

01:31:08.980 morality of a sexual act is something like love, devotion, are you respecting the dignity of the

01:31:15.100 other person? Well, then you don't have to talk about consent at all because that's included in the

01:31:18.960 love, devotion and dignity bit. Yeah. But you get rid of all that and it all comes down to,

01:31:22.760 to, to consent. And that's why you have all these, you know, all these cases on college campuses,

01:31:27.660 a woman wakes up the next day, she had consensual sex with a man, but she feels used and cheap and

01:31:33.180 dirty. And, and, and she, and she was used, you know, she was used like an object, but she did

01:31:37.980 consent to it. And the problem is not that she didn't consent. The problem is that it was not

01:31:41.720 sex with dignity and love, but she doesn't have that language. So instead she figures, well,

01:31:46.120 this feels wrong. I didn't really give consent. So I must, yeah, I must not have gotten given consent,

01:31:50.460 even though I did. That's a great, that is a great point. That is absolutely, you know,

01:31:53.680 because it is a great point until you say you're taking Rachel Evan Wood's side. I'm, I'm, I'm sort

01:31:59.140 of taking her side. I'm not taking it all the way. This is actually where I disagree with you. I

01:32:01.420 agree with everything you just said as a moral standard. But I'm not, I'm not saying that

01:32:04.920 Marilyn Manson for the, for the sort of consensual acts that he's being accused of it not being

01:32:10.480 consensual or something. I'm not, I'm not saying you ought to go to jail for it. I think you're

01:32:14.320 making the same point that Matt is. He's not, you're not saying that you take Evan

01:32:17.520 Rachel Wood's side in the sense that he has violated some sort of left-wing cultural standard

01:32:22.680 and ought to, or civil law ought to be, or civil law and ought to be ended that way. I think

01:32:26.320 you're just saying what Matt is saying, which is that I fundamentally though, object to the idea

01:32:31.820 that you can retroactively remove consent because of regret. But the point that Matt is making is such

01:32:40.400 a perceptive one, which is that people aren't actively, it's a lie. In other words, when they say

01:32:45.360 that they're retroactively removing consent, the only moral standard they have is consent,

01:32:49.360 but they know they feel like something wrong just happened to them. So they do not have the

01:32:52.680 language to express what morality has been violated other than by retroactively saying

01:32:57.660 that the only value they have was violated. Since I know it was bad, it must not have been

01:33:01.180 consent. There's a huge irony here though, which is that you have these left-wingers grappling at

01:33:06.120 this very traditional definition of consent and liberty, the kind of Aristotelian or old classical

01:33:12.960 Christian idea, which is that if you're constantly in vice and sin, you're not actually free, right?

01:33:19.080 The man who sins is a slave to sin. The example I use is the heroin addict. By the kind of modern

01:33:24.220 leftist standard of liberty, the heroin addict is the freest guy in the world, right? As long as he's

01:33:28.520 got a couple bucks in his pocket, he can shoot up, he can pursue his appetites however he wants.

01:33:32.600 But we all know the heroin addict is the least free person on earth.

01:33:36.760 This is the thing, you know, you and I like the show Billions and it features this guy who's a

01:33:44.440 prosecutor who is a masochist. He's a sexual masochist and it begins, and he's, you know,

01:33:49.740 for me, like masochism, sadomasochism is like you flick people with a towel, you know, but this is

01:33:54.540 like sticking cigarettes on people. It's like, it's not, it's not a joke, you know, but he's in a

01:33:59.500 loving relationship with his wife where they do this thing. And what you're left with is something's

01:34:05.380 wrong with him. You know, it's not, it's not that they're doing anything illegal and it's not even

01:34:09.640 that they're outside of a loving relationship because for a large period of the show, they're

01:34:13.960 actually in a loving relationship, but something's the matter with him. And it's, you know, it's when

01:34:18.840 I look at the guy who's supposed to be a girl who's in the, now the health and human services,

01:34:25.020 Rachel Levine, I think like, you know, I have nothing but sympathy for this person, but something's

01:34:32.180 wrong with him. You know, there's something the matter with him. And I think that like,

01:34:35.520 we have to be able to talk about that without necessarily moral judgment, but at least with

01:34:42.100 some kind of understanding. Because right now the argument is, well, you can do whatever you want

01:34:45.060 as long as you consent to it. But the question then is, well, if there's something that's a

01:34:50.080 little wrong, maybe we do need to qualify. But two things can be true at once, which is,

01:34:56.620 you can do anything that you consent to as long as you're an adult, but that doesn't make it right.

01:34:59.880 That's right. And this is something that, and this is something, and this is an ethos that is

01:35:04.500 completely foreign to the left, right? This is where they're running into trouble because the

01:35:08.140 ethos that you can do something wrong, but still it can be wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Is something that the

01:35:13.380 left fundamentally does not accept, right? It's why they're now cracking back against freedom of

01:35:16.340 association and freedom of speech and all individual rights, right? If you can misuse freedom of

01:35:19.740 speech, that means that freedom of speech should actively be curbed. If you misuse freedom of

01:35:23.600 association, freedom of association should, should actively be curbed. The right understands that

01:35:27.620 there is a difference between the right to do wrong and the possibility of doing wrong with

01:35:32.980 that right, right? That you can, you can abuse a right, but that doesn't vitiate the central right

01:35:38.160 that you're talking about. The left fundamentally does not understand this. So what this creates

01:35:41.400 is this bizarre situation where they'll know something is wrong and they can't explain why it's

01:35:45.880 wrong or which rule it has violated. Right. And so they have to post facto create a rule that allows

01:35:50.900 them to bar that thing, right? Because, because they can't accept the idea that somebody could do

01:35:54.780 something wrong and also it wouldn't violate any of their chief principles because in essence,

01:35:58.400 they're authoritarian, right? In essence, everything they don't like ought to be banned.

01:36:01.960 Yeah. And so if they can't even come up with a good reason in their own head why it ought to be

01:36:04.520 banned, they will come up with a new rule. That's right. Or they will spin the rule so that that

01:36:07.880 thing ought to be banned. And that's incredibly dangerous. This is my only question for any leftists

01:36:12.220 ever, really. This is what, this is what I would ask if I got to ask a question at a Democrat debate

01:36:16.720 is, is there anything that you believe is bad that should not be banned by government? Yeah.

01:36:23.680 Is there anything you believe is good that should not be mandated by government?

01:36:27.680 Right. You're right. You know, it's so, it's, it's incredibly biblical even for your half of the

01:36:33.400 Bible. No, it's incredibly biblical that we talk about why God allows evil. And there's a large body

01:36:42.480 of discussion about this. And one of the ideas is that because he believes that men have to be free

01:36:47.820 and men and women have to be free in order to love God, in order to serve God freely. But that means

01:36:53.420 that you cannot do that. And so that's, that's the relationship of power to the people who are

01:36:59.380 less powerful is yes, you have to have the right to do things that are wrong. But I do think, I think

01:37:04.160 that doesn't mean they're right. That's why wokeism is a pagan religion. Yes. Yeah. I do, I do think

01:37:09.320 though the left is saying something even more radical, which is they're saying, I'm not really free.

01:37:14.140 You know, in the case of Evan Rachel Wood or something, she's saying, I'm not free to consent

01:37:17.840 for whatever reason, you know, I was manipulated or whatever. And this actually gets to something

01:37:23.300 the founding fathers talked about. This gets to something that sort of classical Lord Acton talks

01:37:28.380 about, actually classical theorizers of, of liberty, which is to be free, you actually have to be a moral

01:37:36.600 and religious people in the words of John Adams, or you need to practice the virtues and cultivate that

01:37:41.640 the point of liberal education is to do this, right? It's why we take little kids who are just

01:37:46.340 basically appetite machines and doing everything that's bad for them. We educate them in their

01:37:50.920 liberty and hopefully they can kind of tame it and be able to master that. But what the left is

01:37:56.500 saying is we don't have that. We're just appetite machines. Well, so one of the things that happened

01:38:02.660 and just philosophically, that was a really radical shift in, in sort of how Western thought went

01:38:08.020 is that it used to be that people perceived natural law in the way that the Catholic church

01:38:12.060 perceived natural law, which is you can look at the, at the way that nature is constituted and you can

01:38:15.640 derive from it rational rules as to how the world should work and natural rules of virtue as to

01:38:20.160 how you should live your life, right? And that, that is embedded in the laws of nature and nature

01:38:23.480 is God, as is the language of the, of the Declaration of Independence. And the, there was a shift that

01:38:28.480 happened, particularly in the 19th century from the idea of natural law to nature as guide, right?

01:38:34.680 As in scientific nature, as in if something happened to you and it was natural to you, you had a natural

01:38:39.400 desire, then this meant that this natural desire was justified. And you see, this is this, you can

01:38:44.160 see this in, in, I mean, to, to be, you know, as, as sort of cretinous as possible in terms of public

01:38:49.300 culture. If you look at Lady Gaga's born this way, right? This is the argument, right? If it is natural

01:38:53.000 for you to do, it is therefore good for you to do. Well, that is the precise opposite of what natural

01:38:56.580 law suggests, which is it may be natural for you to have a particular inclination, but the world around

01:39:01.400 you suggests a particular set of rules and you are supposed to incline yourself toward that particular set of

01:39:05.460 rules. And you can know that for your reason. Right. Because man was meant to reason. But the,

01:39:10.000 the, the, this goes back to, I think the, another fundamental distinction that the left

01:39:14.700 is, is now attempting to conflate. There was an entire editorial in the New York Times today that

01:39:19.480 was kind of fascinating. And it was a complaint about why Western philosophy was so focused on

01:39:23.880 separating man from animals. I don't know if you guys saw this. It was kind of fascinating. It was,

01:39:27.480 it was an entire essay about why do, you know, all of Western philosophy is dedicated toward the idea

01:39:31.680 that man is not the same as a squirrel. And this is very bad. We should actually

01:39:35.220 allow man to just be the same as a squirrel because squirrels are natural and squirrels have,

01:39:39.600 and, and human beings are natural. And we should acknowledge we are not just our reason. We are

01:39:42.780 not just our prefrontal cortex. We are all of the elements of us. Right. And Western philosophy was

01:39:47.220 built around the idea that we are not the same as animals specifically because Western philosophy

01:39:51.580 was built around the idea that man was made for a purpose. And that purpose was to reason.

01:39:55.540 That purpose was to use our brains in order to seek out God and to seek out the rules to live a

01:40:00.460 virtuous life. And the left has attempted to vitiate that. This is why Darwinian theory did

01:40:05.820 so much damage to religion. Not because there's anything that doesn't fit in terms of evolution

01:40:10.180 and religion. You can square that circle for sure. But what really finished it was the idea that man

01:40:14.980 is an animal. And once you treat man as an animal. And there's no fixed nature. Right.

01:40:19.120 Nature's evolving. Right. But, but more importantly, that, that you, there is nothing better about the

01:40:23.940 prefrontal cortex than the amygdala. Yep. There's nothing, there's nothing preferable about being a

01:40:27.680 reasonable person, as opposed to being an emotional person or a person who just follows

01:40:31.100 their passions, follows their nature. And by the way, it's worth pointing out when Woodrow

01:40:33.980 Wilson are, you know, sort of first, the worst president in American history. Yeah. The first,

01:40:38.160 you know, and the first left progressive president, he who destroyed the entire country. When he writes

01:40:42.880 about what is progress, what is progressivism? He uses that exact example. He says, the constitution

01:40:48.160 is based on the science of Newton, fixed laws, permanent nature, all these sorts of things.

01:40:53.840 But we know that's bunk. We now live in the age of Darwin. I don't think Woodrow Wilson,

01:40:58.760 he understood Darwin very well anyway, but he says, Darwin, nothing's fixed. It's all just kind

01:41:03.420 of a continuum, man. We're not that different. And therefore throw out all those permanent laws.

01:41:08.540 Have we gotten, have we gotten to a point where, cause I've been thinking about this a lot. Have we

01:41:12.120 gotten to a point where the whole conversation around rights is, is just hopeless? Uh, because we

01:41:20.220 can't, you get a hundred Americans into a room, you ask them what, what does, what does it mean

01:41:24.700 to have a right? What is a human right? And you're not going to get even a 50% agreement. Nobody has

01:41:29.120 any idea even what these things are. We don't have the same, we don't have the philosophical grounding

01:41:32.640 for it. Well, that's, we got to a point where this, where we, you know, maybe we stop, maybe we

01:41:37.860 as conservatives stopped framing our arguments so much around rights and find a different framework

01:41:42.000 for it. Like, so for example, um, uh, abortion. And so for, for so long, pro-lifers would say we

01:41:49.320 have a right to life. And that, that actually raises a lot of questions. Like what, what do

01:41:54.180 you mean a right to life, a right against whom? Who are you claiming this right? Right, exactly.

01:42:00.300 If you have a right to life, does that mean that you can't be executed and so on? Um, maybe a better

01:42:04.620 R word would be responsibility. And so what we should be saying is, and I believe we do have a right

01:42:10.540 to life understood a certain way, but maybe we should be saying that, um, a parent has a

01:42:16.040 responsibility to their child. And what that means at a minimum is that you can't kill your child.

01:42:21.780 You have to provide for them. We all agree with that. When it comes to born children,

01:42:25.540 you let your kids starve to death. You go to jail. That is the kind of traditional conservative

01:42:28.320 framing too, right? Maybe it's maybe responsibility. When I got into this brief Twitter exchange with,

01:42:32.960 uh, David French, one of the things I said was you, you are endowed by your creator with certain

01:42:39.460 rights and government is instituted among men to ensure those rights. So if those rights are under

01:42:45.700 threat, it doesn't matter where they're under threat from government has a right to stop that

01:42:49.280 threat. And many, many people came on this, this Twitter thread and said, Oh, any argument from God

01:42:55.500 is absurd. Yeah. But the problem, the problem with that is that's actually the axiom of our civilization.

01:43:02.480 It is the self-evident truth that doesn't have to be proved. It only has to be asserted because

01:43:07.160 everything else is built on top of it. You can't remove it. You cannot remove that assumption.

01:43:11.820 And we shouldn't be afraid to make that assumption because it's the axiom of the country.

01:43:15.100 There's a, there's a common argument that the founders consistently made and which they were

01:43:19.320 right about, which is that the other half of right is duty, right? Rights and duties were just the

01:43:22.980 flip side of each other. Your right to life is my duty not to kill you. Right? And, and your right

01:43:27.040 to free speech is my duty not to inhibit your free speech. And we all understood this fundamentally.

01:43:30.480 What we have done is we have dumped the duty and we have kept the rights. And so once you dump the duty,

01:43:34.860 then you can have rights against anyone for anything because you have no duty not to infringe

01:43:38.700 on them. I just want to say dump the duty is a funny phrase, but go ahead.

01:43:41.380 It is. I think I'm very, uh, yeah, it's true. Bringing you back.

01:43:45.840 I think on that elevated note, I want to do something that we haven't done in a while.

01:43:50.540 I want to, this has been a great conversation. Uh, I want to wrap out the show with 10 rapid fire

01:43:56.680 questions from our dailywire.com subscribers. Alicia is going to bring them to us. Here's the rules.

01:44:01.180 It's what, whoever the question is, uh, addressed at, they're the only one to make an answer. And

01:44:06.560 it's a, and it's a fast pithy answer. We want to get through 10 rapid fire questions. Alicia.

01:44:13.960 All right. The first question goes to Michael Knowles. A daily wire member wants to know they

01:44:17.960 live in a liberal Mecca and they are considering leaving like the daily wire did, but should they

01:44:23.520 be considering this? And what do you think their options and decision-making should be considering

01:44:27.120 they don't have a job or housing situation set up yet? Well, you're probably more likely to get a

01:44:31.580 job and a cheaper house and a conservative place. So I think those are both marks actually in favor of

01:44:36.140 coming here. I love it. I wish we came here sooner. I love being in a red state and specifically in

01:44:42.440 Tennessee. All I will have a caveat here is I feel I got a lot out of growing up in left-wing places

01:44:51.660 because I learned all the stupidest arguments and it cost me a lot of time and it impelled a lot of

01:44:56.120 bad behavior, but I feel I came out stronger and wiser for it. That was a constructive process.

01:45:02.040 Uh, however, if you're already formed and comfort is your, is your goal, come on over baby. Tennessee

01:45:07.040 is fabulous. All right. This question goes to, uh, Matt. People want to know, do you think that the

01:45:13.700 general public or major corporations will ever grow a spine and just say no to the woke mob and the

01:45:19.840 Twitterati? No. I think Matt took that, like those instructions a little too seriously. Can

01:45:31.900 we give him like 280 characters? I think he said it all. All right. Drew, who would win a cage match

01:45:41.620 between Gina Carano and the entire daily wire? Oh, we'd be killed. Are you kidding? She'd kill us.

01:45:46.820 In my youth, I might've given her one. I might've gotten one slug in, but now it's, it's over. Yeah.

01:45:53.800 Media matters. In his youth, Andrew Klavan would have punched a woman.

01:45:58.660 Headlines write themselves.

01:46:01.840 All right. Uh, Jeremy, people want to know what kind of cigars are you guys smoking?

01:46:06.580 I'm not smoking tonight. Uh, so I'm going to kick the question over to Mickey.

01:46:10.320 Little Davidoff Colorado Claro, not a super duper expensive cigar, but it's got six years age on it

01:46:16.180 from our buddies at our old shop in LA. Ben, it is award season, even though it seems a little weird

01:46:22.460 in this age of COVID and people want to know what are your Oscar picks? Oh my God. Well, all the ones

01:46:27.540 that they've talked about for Oscars this year absolutely suck or I haven't seen them. So I really

01:46:32.040 haven't seen many good movies this year. Run, hide, fight should win all of the Oscars. Aside from run,

01:46:37.280 hide, fight the unproduced Gina Carano film should obviously also be nominated for next year's

01:46:41.260 Oscar. 2022. 2022. I, you know, I'm trying to think of anything that's really, have you guys

01:46:46.220 seen anything of this year? I'm like, I'm really, I'm really trying to all the Oscar movies. It's

01:46:49.700 like call me by your moonlight or some nonsense and no one watches it. Gentleman was, was that this

01:46:53.920 year? Cause that was a good, was it the guy Ritchie film? Yeah. Guy Ritchie. Okay. I'll have to,

01:46:56.860 I'll have to get that one. It's really fun. I got nothing. All right. Uh, Jeremy, this,

01:47:02.300 this question is for you. A Daily Wire member wants to know which actor are you kind of hoping

01:47:06.680 gets canceled next. So you guys can snatch them off. Well, I have a list. Uh, I, I, I hate to say

01:47:13.560 an answer to that, but it's so terrible. I will say that on the same day that fire Gina Carano,

01:47:18.260 uh, was trending, uh, fire Chris Pratt was trending and for God's sakes, Hollywood, please,

01:47:25.220 please, please send Chris Pratt to us. I love me some Chris Pratt out of all the Chris's he's

01:47:32.860 obvi the best. Alrighty. Uh, Michael, do you think that we need more conservatives going into

01:47:37.260 politics or going into cultural positions like filmmaking and producing and editing and all those

01:47:43.760 things? Well, I think the answer is yes. And I also think it's a little bit of a blurry distinction,

01:47:48.020 you know, because obviously politics, the biggest definition of it is what we all do together,

01:47:52.700 but it's a, it's a two pronged approach because forget elected politicians. They're always going to be

01:47:57.400 sociopaths running for that. It's the bureaucracy that we lose in the actual administrative state

01:48:02.140 and the entire cultural apparatus. And we just don't have anybody in any of those areas.

01:48:07.320 So we, we need to go into both and both, both are important. I don't think it's only when the

01:48:11.660 culture and forget about politics. And I don't think it's only focus on bureaucratic politics and

01:48:15.940 ignore and technology and tech and everything. Yeah. Matt, uh, earlier on Twitter, I saw that you

01:48:23.020 retweeted Tommy Lahren. She said Trump DeSantis 2024. You said you agreed with half of the ticket

01:48:28.780 other than, other than Ron DeSantis, who would you pick? Like, what are your top three for the GOP in

01:48:34.780 2024? I don't have a top three. I like Ron DeSantis. Um, I, I hate almost all politicians. So for me to

01:48:42.380 even say, I like him is, is me going out on a limb and I, I give him, you know, that we've got three

01:48:46.980 years, four years left before. So he could easily disappoint me, but I'll be ready to toss him to the

01:48:51.960 curb if he does. But, um, I like Ron DeSantis. Ron DeSantis is great. He's the governor of my

01:48:57.380 excellent new state of Florida. He is a stud. And I really feel we don't have time to get into

01:49:02.500 all this. It's supposed to be rapid fire, but I feel very strongly that, uh, Ron DeSantis on the

01:49:08.500 top of the ticket is a great idea. Trump on the top of the ticket. I don't know if we want to

01:49:11.860 do all this again in 2024. Um, so I, I hate to interrupt because I said we had to be rapid fire,

01:49:18.020 but Candace Owens could, would be formidable if she actually decided to make good on her tweet

01:49:22.920 threat. It is true. It would be formidable. It is a true story. I wouldn't want to run against her.

01:49:27.340 I also, just to put a little plug in here, I would like to be the first podcast host,

01:49:32.900 you know, so there's other, there are other Republican politicians who could be out there.

01:49:36.280 Wouldn't mind doing a podcast. Yeah. I'm just throwing that out there. Something I'm encouraging

01:49:41.020 people to do. We all know Michael is hoping that Ben runs so then he can get his radio slot.

01:49:46.820 That's true. That's the way I could actually become the first podcast host if I took his

01:49:50.600 podcast. Drew, do you plan on double masking? No, I don't even single mask. I only wear a mask

01:49:59.580 when I walk into a store and on the front of the store, it says you have to have a mask to,

01:50:04.600 you have to wear a mask to enter this store. Otherwise I haven't worn a mask since this whole

01:50:08.840 thing began. I mean, Drew's, Drew's, Drew's immune to death. That's what happens after you've

01:50:12.000 been dead for five years. If I, if I were, if I were going to die, I'd have died already. Let's face

01:50:15.860 it. I just said, I know I'm not supposed to speak, but, uh, but on the mask thing, I discovered

01:50:20.580 this weekend that when you're wearing a suit jacket, if you wear the neck gaiter, which

01:50:24.380 is my move and you wear it around your neck, it actually looks like an ascot. Um, so it's

01:50:28.260 kind of, it kind of works like that. So yeah, no, no, I, I haven't done, I haven't done anything

01:50:33.580 that anything that Anthony Fauci says I do the opposite. I've heard that I've heard that. Um,

01:50:40.500 I did an Anthony Fauci impersonation the other day and, uh, I heard from a lot of our listeners

01:50:44.460 that your Anthony Fauci impersonation, this is the only nice thing I've ever said to

01:50:47.540 Michael Knowles. I don't know what you're talking about. In 10 or 15 years, maybe I'll have done

01:50:54.720 a good impression. That is good. Solid stuff. We know how Ben feels about Fauci and the vaccine,

01:51:05.000 but Ben, somebody wants to know if you get the vaccine, is it okay? I know it's against

01:51:09.260 Jewish law to get a tattoo, but this daily wire subscriber wants to know, would you get

01:51:12.540 it tattooed on your arm or somewhere that you got the vaccine? So then you don't have

01:51:15.860 to wear a mask anymore and you can go to a baseball game as they've been hearing you talk

01:51:19.160 about a lot on your podcast. So a couple of things. One, Jews not big into tattoos. Two,

01:51:24.300 Jews super not big into governments giving you tattoos. Right?

01:51:27.640 Your arm or whatever. Yeah, exactly. I think it was an optional. It was optional so then you

01:51:32.400 can go with your dad to a White Sox game. It sounds weird to me. Like, I don't mean to put too

01:51:35.020 to find a point on it, but it's kind of uncomfortable. But yeah, I'm not in favor of,

01:51:42.380 as a general liberty matter, I'm not in favor of the idea that you should be barred from all

01:51:46.140 public places unless you have a vaccine green card. I do think that our public officials are

01:51:51.620 doing us an enormous disservice in continuing to lie to us and say that you can't go back to

01:51:56.500 regular life after you've had the vaccine. It's literally the only tool that we know of right now

01:52:00.260 that is going to give you the kind of safety, particularly if you're older, from the disease

01:52:04.700 that would reduce this to below the risk of the flu. I mean, if you get these vaccines,

01:52:08.620 these vaccines are 99% effective in preventing death, 95% effective in preventing serious illness,

01:52:13.900 and 90% effective in preventing transmission. So this bizarre idea that after you get the vaccine,

01:52:18.560 you're going to be still living with the mask and socially distancing in 2022 is anti-science.

01:52:22.660 It is bizarre. And it actually encourages people not to get the vaccine. Because if I'm 37

01:52:26.540 and I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, there may be like the risk of getting a little sick from

01:52:31.120 the vaccine. I won't feel so good. I don't know what the long-term effects of the vaccine are. And

01:52:34.120 listen, if I get COVID, I'm not going to die anyway. I'm 37. And then you tell me, okay, but

01:52:38.840 you can go back to regular life. I might think to myself, okay, that seems like it's worth the

01:52:42.600 risk. But if you keep telling 25-year-olds that they can't go back to regular life after they get

01:52:46.540 the vaccine, who in their right mind would get the vaccine? And you have all of these idiots like

01:52:50.660 Fauci saying, maybe we'll never go back to our regular life. Maybe we'll never do it. Never. And it's

01:52:56.240 like, what are you? Why? Why? I mean, it's a scientific miracle. First of all, we've been

01:53:02.880 ripping on big business a lot. Let me just say that the greatest thing in the world is

01:53:05.820 big pharma. Big pharma, they're unbelievable at what they do. They generated a cure for a

01:53:10.860 disease in less than a year. It's unbelievable. But as far as kind of the general concept of

01:53:15.160 the government mandating vaccine cards to go anywhere, that raises, I think, serious

01:53:20.660 liberty concerns. I think, frankly, people would start forging them to go wherever they want

01:53:24.020 anyway. They're making the same mistake now that they made in March. Again, it's just being

01:53:28.640 replayed. Because in March, they told everyone, don't wear masks. It's stupid to wear masks. The

01:53:32.680 Surgeon General said, people, stop wearing masks. And the reason they said that is because they

01:53:35.840 didn't want us to run out and they didn't trust us to not run out and buy all the medical masks.

01:53:39.600 Because they wanted it to go to all the nurses and not to us. And so now, with the vaccine,

01:53:44.080 they're doing the same thing again, where they're saying, oh, no, if you get the vaccine,

01:53:48.300 you still have to wear the mask. Because they don't trust people who aren't vaccinated to not

01:53:55.240 wear the mask. Because they think that if they start allowing people to, well, if you get the

01:53:59.720 vaccine, you don't have to wear a mask. They think everyone's not going to wear it. They're not

01:54:02.680 trusting people to make it. No, they seem to think there are three choices here and there are only

01:54:05.700 two. They think that there is a third choice where everybody gets vaccinated and then doesn't go out

01:54:09.660 and party. There's only two choices. Everybody gets vaccinated and parties. And nobody gets

01:54:14.320 vaccinated. And parties. There is no third choice where everybody continues to lock down until the

01:54:18.740 end of time, especially after being vaccinated. It's idiotic. Like, this is one thing that Israel

01:54:22.620 is doing right with the vaccine. They've done a lot of things right. But one thing they're doing

01:54:25.680 right, I mean, they have shot in a shot night at the bars. They're telling people, like, come and get

01:54:29.100 a shot and we'll give you a free shot. They're encouraging people to actively do this. And that is

01:54:34.160 a smart thing to do. That is a smart thing to do.

01:54:36.460 All right, Matt, people want to know, how is it finally being a Daily Wire HQ in Nashville? And

01:54:45.020 how different is it doing your show from there?

01:54:48.120 It's pretty nice. I have a series of complaints that I could.

01:54:52.960 Much of them having to do with the break room. There's a lot of, you know, the other day I wanted

01:54:57.620 to grab some half and half and all they had was coconut milk and like soy milk and almond milk,

01:55:03.120 everything except for real milk. There's also a lot of seaweed related snacks that I don't really

01:55:10.100 understand. Must be an LA thing, but. I think you should take it up with your supervisor.

01:55:16.160 I will. I've already registered with HR, but they thought that was no way, so.

01:55:21.560 Said it wasn't a valid complaint. They're not going to be investigating that. Too bad. So sad.

01:55:25.820 Michael Knowles. I heard from a little birdie maybe named Dave Rubin that he's slightly bitter that

01:55:30.600 the night before the Daily Wire announced their move to Nashville, you claimed that you were staying

01:55:34.720 here in California. I was there. He wants to know, was it worth it? So there were a couple of these

01:55:40.420 nights. Rubin never forgave me for this. Now, in my defense, nobody tells me nothing around here,

01:55:47.720 okay? In my defense, seriously, these guys, they're not telling me stuff. To be fair, I didn't want you

01:55:51.820 to come. Yeah. Please, Dave, get Knowles to stay. But it was funny because I was at Dave. This was

01:55:58.260 actually, we had truly our farewell dinner. It was you, me, Drew, Adam Carolla, Prager was there,

01:56:05.160 and then we all, I think you guys were already gone at this point, and then we really hightailed

01:56:08.580 it. But I was at Dave's place, and he said, you know, Knowles, you know, Knowles, we're gonna just

01:56:14.420 take back California, and we're gonna, you know, we're gonna just win back the hearts and minds and

01:56:20.020 get rid of Newsom. I was like, yeah, man, hell yeah, we're gonna, yeah, FOA, and yeah, all this stuff.

01:56:24.700 And then, like, six hours later, he was like, yo, bye, Dave. I'm going to Tennessee. See you out

01:56:28.740 there, buddy. So what you're telling me is that you're a liar who personality mirrors. I cannot

01:56:33.200 believe it. I cannot believe it. You ever think about acting? Yeah, maybe, you know, I might, uh,

01:56:39.240 is, uh, is there a part in that Gina Carano movie? Dave Rubin ain't staying in California. No,

01:56:43.020 he'll be, he'll be in Florida tomorrow. It's like, you're, you're gonna walk outside. We're

01:56:46.960 gonna grow old together as Jews in Florida.

01:56:48.300 Alicia, how many questions have we done? At least like one and a half. We've done more

01:56:55.620 than 10, but I'm just still, like, rolling through them because I, you know, you hadn't

01:56:58.920 stopped me. Last question. All right, last question goes to you, God King, and it kind

01:57:04.460 of piggybacks on you asking if Michael, if he had considered getting into acting, which

01:57:08.480 he hadn't done in a while, unless that's what he's doing every day on his podcast. But will

01:57:12.300 any of the, will any of the Daily Wire talent be making cameos in the upcoming Daily Wire

01:57:20.000 entertainment scripted shows? Wouldn't you like to know, fair audience? Uh, all that

01:57:25.660 I'm willing to say on this topic is yes. I meant to say, ah, listen, be sure to tune

01:57:35.320 in for Ben's first episode of the hit new show debunked this Friday. We just know it's

01:57:39.000 going to be a hit Ben's in it. The series will be available exclusively to Daily Wire

01:57:42.740 members to you. So use code debunked to save 25% off your membership today over at dailywire.com.

01:57:49.020 Don't miss the opportunity to see Ben brandish facts and logic. I want, in my original draft,

01:57:54.540 I said facts and or logic. Someone has obviously corrected the teleprompter. Thanks again for

01:57:58.960 joining us for the Daily Wire, uh, the Empire Strikes Back stage. We will see you next time.

01:58:09.000 Bye.

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The Daily Wire Strikes Back(stage)： Canceling Cancel Culture

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