The Matt Walsh Show - Why I Left ｜ Tulsi Gabbard Talks With Matt Walsh

00:00:00.000 The legislation that I introduced in Congress was called the Protect Women's Sports Act.

00:00:04.500 There were a number of leading Democrats on the House floor with really harmful words,

00:00:09.560 which sends a message to anyone else who's even thinking about the truth,

00:00:13.200 step in line and shut up. That's the message that they send, comply.

00:00:17.020 Are you hopeful about the future of the country, in all honesty?

00:00:20.920 I don't know.

00:00:51.060 War mongers, among other very accurate labels. 0.97

00:00:53.520 Yes.

00:00:54.500 So can you walk me through that problem?

00:00:58.280 Even back to the beginning when you first started thinking that you had to make this move,

00:01:03.100 can you kind of walk through that?

00:01:04.580 It's something that has been building up over time.

00:01:07.600 I don't think there was one exact specific moment where I knew that this was what had to be done,

00:01:16.180 but going all the way back from when I was running for president

00:01:19.920 and seeing, even in that election in the Democratic primary in 2020,

00:01:24.820 Democrat leaders working with the for-profit corporate media interfering in our democracy

00:01:30.980 by limiting who voters were exposed to.

00:01:34.060 When I made the decision to run for president, I naively thought like,

00:01:37.320 hey, you know, I know this is going to be tough.

00:01:38.780 It's going to be a rough campaign.

00:01:40.820 We'll have a lot of challenges to overcome,

00:01:42.380 but at least I will have as fair a shot as anyone else running for president on the debate stage,

00:01:48.580 through the media, to make my case to the American people about why I wanted to serve them in this way.

00:01:53.800 But literally on the very day that I announced my candidacy in January of 2019,

00:02:00.020 the first shot was fired from NBC News, starting the whole Russian troll asset nonsense.

00:02:09.500 And so it was a very eye-opening experience throughout that time.

00:02:13.840 Are you saying you're not a Russian spy?

00:02:15.420 That is true.

00:02:16.660 Okay. All right.

00:02:17.520 I am not.

00:02:17.880 I wasn't sure.

00:02:18.580 For the record.

00:02:19.500 Okay.

00:02:19.720 Don't believe Hillary Clinton or anything she has to say.

00:02:23.220 I remember hearing when you were running for president that,

00:02:25.920 I believe I'm correct in this, that after at least a few of the debates you were in,

00:02:31.340 you were the most Googled candidate on the stage.

00:02:34.520 What did that?

00:02:35.740 That was obviously the goal, right?

00:02:37.020 Because coming in, most people in the country didn't know who I was.

00:02:40.100 And so we had hoped that that first debate,

00:02:43.800 I think it had the highest number of viewers than any other debate that followed.

00:02:48.240 The viewership progressively dropped off over time.

00:02:51.360 I think as people realized like, hey, this is just political theater.

00:02:54.540 There's not actual real substantive debate happening.

00:02:59.240 But again, that was a sign of what was to follow when after I was the most Googled candidate,

00:03:05.400 you know, we had our Google ads account set up hoping that that would be the case.

00:03:08.460 And then Google suspended the account with no explanation, no reasoning,

00:03:13.940 and would not respond to us in our ask to say, hey, tell us what's wrong.

00:03:20.040 Tell us what we got to fix.

00:03:20.940 How do we get our account back up as quickly as possible?

00:03:23.740 It was radio silence from them until magically at one point our account was just reinstated.

00:03:30.240 How long was it?

00:03:31.240 I don't think I heard that.

00:03:32.520 How long was it down?

00:03:33.280 I mean, it was down for at least a day, but it was through that peak period when people were

00:03:38.980 actively searching and looking.

00:03:40.480 And that was why I filed a lawsuit against Google to make that point,

00:03:44.120 that if the permanent Washington, the power elite, big tech, you know,

00:03:49.880 the leaders of the Democrat Party, big media, they can interfere in voters who are just like,

00:03:54.820 oh, hey, I saw her on TV. 0.97

00:03:55.980 Let me learn more about her.

00:03:57.580 A sitting member of Congress running for president,

00:03:59.540 just imagine how much interference and what kind of impact they can have on our elections

00:04:05.640 at any level, controlling what the voter is able to see and hear and learn about the people

00:04:11.480 that they want to vote for.

00:04:12.780 The Labor Department's Consumer Price Index, which catalogs the cost of goods, services,

00:04:17.140 food, and rent, rose 0.4% over the month of August, double what many economists had anticipated.

00:04:22.320 Perhaps worse, core inflation, which excludes food and gas prices,

00:04:26.060 saw the highest increase last month that it's seen since August 1982.

00:04:31.400 What is the current administration doing to quell the surge of inflation?

00:04:34.540 Spending more taxpayer dollars, of course.

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00:05:19.440 So you talk about, with the Democrat Party,

00:05:22.040 the kind of corruption and this incestuous relationship

00:05:25.940 between the Democrats and the media.

00:05:27.700 Do you find that you have ideological differences

00:05:31.240 with the Democrat Party fundamentally, or is it mostly?

00:05:34.220 Very much so.

00:05:35.120 And increasingly over time.

00:05:36.740 You know, the party that I joined back in 2002

00:05:39.540 when I ran for the statehouse in Hawaii

00:05:41.280 was a party that was still,

00:05:44.080 and especially so in my home state of Hawaii,

00:05:46.100 very much a Big Ten inclusive party,

00:05:49.100 very much a party that was about fighting for working people.

00:05:53.740 It was a party that stood up still for free speech,

00:05:57.880 for, you know, civil liberties, civil rights,

00:06:00.900 you know, individual freedoms.

00:06:04.580 Over time, we have come to this point

00:06:06.960 where today's Democrat Party doesn't stand for any of those things.

00:06:10.180 It's become a party that is of, by, and for the elite.

00:06:12.720 It has become a party that is actively trying

00:06:15.420 to undermine our fundamental freedoms and rights,

00:06:18.420 a party that is hostile towards not only free speech,

00:06:22.080 but freedom of religion,

00:06:23.280 and a party that has become the war party.

00:06:27.280 Some of the criticisms that I saw coming

00:06:29.520 from Democrat leaders and talking heads

00:06:33.140 when I announced my decision to leave was,

00:06:36.440 oh, of course, she's gonna go join those anti-war people. 1.00

00:06:40.300 Obviously not referring to the Democrat Party.

00:06:44.520 So they've just given up the anti-war.

00:06:46.640 Apparently.

00:06:47.400 When I was growing up, that was Iraq war and code pink, 0.82

00:06:52.000 and it was, the Democrats were definitely

00:06:53.620 the anti-war party, but that's not the case anymore.

00:06:56.140 It is clearly not the case.

00:06:58.400 Clearly in the pocket of the military-industrial complex,

00:07:01.080 and that's been evident through, you know,

00:07:03.420 the recent votes that have taken place

00:07:05.140 as this escalation of this proxy war against Russia

00:07:08.520 is going on and sending tens of billions of dollars

00:07:10.980 to Ukraine, not a single Democrat,

00:07:13.660 not a single Democrat, not even those who claim

00:07:15.940 to be the so-called progressive champions

00:07:18.000 voted against that funding.

00:07:20.360 It was Republicans in the House and the Senate

00:07:22.300 who were the sole opposing voices,

00:07:25.200 or even those just saying, hey,

00:07:26.820 let's answer the basic questions

00:07:28.400 about what is our objective?

00:07:29.860 What are we trying to accomplish?

00:07:31.320 Let's make sure we know if we're sending money

00:07:33.760 to go fund this war, where is that money going?

00:07:36.860 And how can we be held to account

00:07:38.280 for those taxpayer dollars to our voters?

00:07:40.840 None of that was allowed to happen.

00:07:43.160 And the questions that were being asked

00:07:44.780 were coming from Republicans.

00:07:46.180 Are you worried that we're barreling

00:07:47.340 into a nuclear conflict?

00:07:49.300 Deeply concerned.

00:07:50.640 You think that's a plausible thing to worry about?

00:07:52.780 I think that is exactly where we are,

00:07:54.440 and we should all be concerned about that.

00:07:57.080 We should all be demanding answers and action

00:07:59.180 from leaders, people in Congress,

00:08:02.040 and the Biden administration

00:08:03.100 of why they have allowed us to get to this point

00:08:06.100 where we are closer to the brink of nuclear war

00:08:09.440 than we have been before,

00:08:10.860 and why the Biden administration

00:08:12.780 isn't using its position to push

00:08:15.560 for a negotiated peaceful end to this war.

00:08:19.000 That is the best way to help the people of Ukraine,

00:08:21.080 and that's the best way for us as Americans in the world

00:08:24.400 to avoid nuclear catastrophe.

00:08:26.420 What's the reaction been like ever since you made

00:08:29.080 your announcement, particularly on the left,

00:08:31.060 or I don't know if you still had any friends

00:08:33.140 in the Democrat Party?

00:08:33.840 I do, a couple.

00:08:35.380 What was that reaction like?

00:08:37.480 People, I've gotten some nice messages

00:08:39.980 from a few folks who are either still in the Democrat Party

00:08:45.260 or even still holding office.

00:08:47.160 I've been speaking the truth about my criticisms

00:08:50.560 of the Democrat Party for a few years now,

00:08:52.700 and so those who had a problem with that

00:08:55.140 have stopped talking to me a long time ago,

00:08:57.500 which is part of the problem,

00:08:58.940 is an unwillingness to have an honest conversation

00:09:01.160 about how to be better, even as a party,

00:09:04.840 and focus more on fighting for people

00:09:06.640 rather than power in Washington.

00:09:08.760 But the thing that has been heartening to me

00:09:11.960 is how many people I've just heard from across the country

00:09:14.640 and different places that I've gone in the last week

00:09:18.000 are people who are Democrats or who were Democrats

00:09:21.960 who say, you know, I've been through

00:09:24.720 what you're going through.

00:09:26.400 Thank you for saying the things that I've been feeling

00:09:28.840 and have been frustrating me,

00:09:30.980 and really this hunger and desire for leaders

00:09:34.960 who exercise courage and actually speak the truth,

00:09:39.220 not only about the Democrat Party,

00:09:40.780 but really about a lot of the issues

00:09:42.020 that you've been working on,

00:09:43.040 the things that are affecting their kids in schools every day,

00:09:46.940 the things that are affecting our communities

00:09:48.380 with regards to crime and police and law enforcement,

00:09:51.920 borders, the things that are obvious

00:09:54.360 to most people who are paying attention,

00:09:57.100 but the things that somehow leaders in the Democrat Party

00:10:00.040 are completely ignoring or creating this rosy fantasy picture

00:10:04.200 of something that just doesn't exist.

00:10:07.680 Are you going to be a Republican?

00:10:10.880 It's not something I'm thinking about.

00:10:12.520 I don't have to think about that.

00:10:13.580 But I am an independent,

00:10:15.700 and I'm just going to continue to do

00:10:17.560 what I have been doing, frankly.

00:10:19.460 If you had to put a label on your ideological persuasion,

00:10:27.360 can you put a label on it?

00:10:28.640 What would you call yourself?

00:10:30.300 None of the labels that exist have ever worked for me,

00:10:33.800 primarily because they mean such different things

00:10:37.420 to different people.

00:10:38.320 So I'm on Team America,

00:10:42.660 and I take the oath that I took both as a soldier

00:10:45.900 as well as as a member of Congress

00:10:47.320 to support and defend the Constitution very seriously.

00:10:50.540 So that's my foundation.

00:10:53.180 That's my focus.

00:10:54.760 And all of the other labels, to me,

00:10:56.740 don't matter in this country

00:10:58.400 if they're attached to people

00:11:00.820 who aren't grounded in that place,

00:11:02.860 on that foundation.

00:11:03.680 I'll put you on a spot on one other question.

00:11:08.300 I'm sure you've seen,

00:11:08.840 maybe this is more like fan fiction,

00:11:10.180 but I've seen,

00:11:10.880 I'm sure you've seen people saying,

00:11:12.280 well, what about Tulsi Gabbard

00:11:13.400 as a VP on a Republican ticket in 2024?

00:11:17.300 What do you think about that?

00:11:18.220 I don't know.

00:11:19.580 I don't know.

00:11:20.180 I don't really deal in the hypotheticals,

00:11:22.480 and it's hard to,

00:11:24.920 I think it's hard for anybody

00:11:26.280 to really look at 2024

00:11:27.720 without looking at

00:11:29.100 what's going to happen in the next few weeks

00:11:31.200 in this election

00:11:32.200 because it will have such a direct impact

00:11:35.240 on the challenges

00:11:38.060 and the things that we're dealing with every day now,

00:11:40.520 including nuclear war.

00:11:42.540 What do you think happens in 2022?

00:11:45.280 My hope is that there are more Americans

00:11:49.060 who, even if they're afraid to speak up

00:11:51.700 in their everyday lives,

00:11:52.800 at work amongst friends or family

00:11:54.140 because of this cancel culture we live in,

00:11:56.580 that they exercise their freedom

00:11:58.380 to go and cast their vote

00:12:00.800 for people who stand for freedom,

00:12:02.980 who stand for the well-being of our country

00:12:04.520 and against this radical so-called woke agenda

00:12:08.580 that the Democrat Party in power

00:12:10.680 is shoving down our throats. 0.52

00:12:13.520 I also wanted to ask you,

00:12:14.560 you mentioned your situation with Google,

00:12:16.820 and we know what happened

00:12:19.280 with the Hunter Biden laptop story

00:12:21.720 and big tech censorship.

00:12:23.540 So where do you stand on,

00:12:25.100 does the government have a role

00:12:26.360 in preventing or regulating

00:12:28.560 the sort of big tech censorship?

00:12:31.540 And is there any role there

00:12:32.920 for the government, do you think?

00:12:34.180 I think that,

00:12:35.440 and this was something I worked on in Congress,

00:12:37.580 that Section 230

00:12:38.660 that provides these big tech social media companies

00:12:41.340 with the liability protection,

00:12:44.900 it needs to be fixed

00:12:46.920 and it needs to be reformed

00:12:48.460 because they have this protection

00:12:49.960 given the fact that they are platforms,

00:12:53.700 but they are acting like

00:12:55.980 they are news companies, essentially,

00:12:58.320 as they pick and choose

00:12:59.320 whose voices get to be heard.

00:13:00.340 They're not that neutral arbiter

00:13:01.760 of this open marketplace of ideas.

00:13:06.160 That law is very outdated

00:13:07.980 and the language is problematic

00:13:09.660 and that is, I think,

00:13:11.140 the first step that needs to change.

00:13:14.540 And of course,

00:13:15.180 I want to talk to you about the issue

00:13:17.360 that one of the reasons that you're here,

00:13:19.820 you'll be,

00:13:20.320 well, by the time this comes out,

00:13:21.240 you will have spoken at our rally in Nashville,

00:13:25.040 the rally to end child mutilation.

00:13:26.820 When did you start sort of getting invested

00:13:28.400 in that issue

00:13:29.000 and just like talk about your views on that?

00:13:31.880 Yeah, I mean,

00:13:32.520 it started while I was in Congress.

00:13:34.560 A good friend of mine

00:13:35.620 is Congressman Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma.

00:13:38.540 We were elected at the same time.

00:13:40.980 I've gotten to know,

00:13:41.960 he is running to be the U.S. Senator from Oklahoma

00:13:44.460 and I'm going to go and help campaign for him,

00:13:47.400 but I've gotten really close with him and his family.

00:13:48.980 He's got three little girls.

00:13:51.760 All of them are very competitive wrestlers

00:13:54.920 along with his sons.

00:13:56.760 And this whole effort to undermine

00:14:00.460 and redefine Title IX

00:14:02.320 was what started to get me really interested

00:14:04.800 in just the insanity of those pushing for this change,

00:14:12.640 not rejecting the truth,

00:14:13.940 rejecting the truth

00:14:14.580 that there are biological differences

00:14:15.700 between men and women 0.90

00:14:16.560 and then seeing how that has progressed

00:14:19.100 to what we're seeing now

00:14:20.240 where, you know,

00:14:21.300 the Director of Health and Human Services

00:14:22.800 is essentially threatening

00:14:25.100 Child Protective Services

00:14:26.240 to come and take your child away

00:14:28.500 unless you as a parent

00:14:29.480 provide this gender-affirming care,

00:14:32.280 which leads to, you know,

00:14:34.500 these hormone treatments

00:14:36.140 and irreversible surgeries

00:14:37.440 that more and more we're seeing

00:14:39.360 cause such incredible

00:14:40.960 and long-lasting harm to kids.

00:14:43.840 essentially this administration

00:14:45.980 pushing for and approving

00:14:48.420 of child abuse.

00:14:51.580 And so I think like a lot of people,

00:14:53.000 the more I've learned about it,

00:14:54.060 the more incensed I've become

00:14:56.040 that this is happening

00:14:59.420 and that we're not even allowed

00:15:01.960 to talk about it.

00:15:03.080 We're not even allowed

00:15:03.900 to raise concerns about it.

00:15:05.340 As you showed in your documentary,

00:15:07.780 that there's no conversation or dialogue

00:15:09.720 that they will allow around this.

00:15:12.440 When did this,

00:15:13.920 from the perspective

00:15:14.980 of a lot of people

00:15:15.720 that I talk to,

00:15:16.720 it's sort of the,

00:15:18.320 what I always hear is that,

00:15:19.200 oh, it seems like this stuff

00:15:19.960 started five years ago

00:15:21.240 and like it came out of nowhere.

00:15:23.120 Gender ideology

00:15:23.920 and gender is fluid

00:15:25.640 and all that kind of thing.

00:15:27.180 Now, of course, in reality,

00:15:28.100 like what I get into in the film,

00:15:29.200 you could trace it back

00:15:30.180 to the mid-20th century.

00:15:31.840 You can actually go even further back

00:15:32.960 than that if you want to.

00:15:35.220 But it does seem as though

00:15:36.820 five, six, seven years ago

00:15:38.980 is when it kind of exploded

00:15:39.940 onto the mainstream.

00:15:40.740 And that's especially

00:15:42.680 when it seems as though

00:15:43.280 the Democrat Party

00:15:44.240 became totally invested

00:15:47.500 in gender ideology. 0.97

00:15:49.400 When did you start to notice that

00:15:51.040 within the Democrat Party?

00:15:52.940 Because the Democrat Party of,

00:15:54.380 you know,

00:15:54.540 when Barack Obama

00:15:55.100 was running for president,

00:15:56.320 this never came up.

00:15:57.120 I don't remember him

00:15:57.740 ever talking about

00:15:58.580 how men should be

00:16:00.360 in the women's restroom. 1.00

00:16:01.660 So when did you start to notice?

00:16:02.720 I think it was around,

00:16:03.800 it was around that time.

00:16:04.680 It was a few years

00:16:05.500 before I left Congress

00:16:06.560 when these topics

00:16:08.520 started to come up.

00:16:09.600 And I think previous to that,

00:16:11.100 it was always just like,

00:16:12.460 hey, you go live your life

00:16:14.340 however you want

00:16:14.960 to live your life.

00:16:16.160 It's a free country.

00:16:17.600 But once that turned

00:16:18.980 into something

00:16:19.700 that was impacting

00:16:20.780 the safety of kids

00:16:22.320 in bathrooms

00:16:23.760 and locker rooms,

00:16:25.040 obviously impacting kids

00:16:26.580 competing in sports,

00:16:28.740 you know,

00:16:29.000 scholarships,

00:16:29.820 future professional opportunities.

00:16:31.720 and then now

00:16:33.080 what we're seeing

00:16:33.920 with people

00:16:36.660 really pressuring

00:16:37.720 kids and parents

00:16:38.940 into these kinds

00:16:40.440 of treatments

00:16:40.880 that will harm them

00:16:42.460 for the rest of their lives,

00:16:44.280 you know,

00:16:44.620 at ages where

00:16:45.900 they're not equipped

00:16:47.340 to make these decisions.

00:16:48.960 And that's,

00:16:49.460 again,

00:16:49.900 that's what was so great

00:16:50.580 about your film

00:16:51.380 was making those comparisons

00:16:54.760 of like,

00:16:55.280 okay,

00:16:55.560 well,

00:16:56.060 as a kid who's five,

00:16:57.000 six,

00:16:57.240 seven,

00:16:57.460 eight years old,

00:16:58.120 you know,

00:16:58.960 on any given day,

00:16:59.980 they may be Superman

00:17:00.960 or they may be this

00:17:01.920 or they may be that.

00:17:03.120 How do you,

00:17:04.240 how do you then sit there

00:17:05.840 and tell them,

00:17:06.680 okay,

00:17:06.960 well,

00:17:07.200 you're going to go

00:17:07.820 and have this change

00:17:09.400 made to your body

00:17:10.500 that you can't come back from?

00:17:13.680 I'm curious to get

00:17:14.240 your insight on this.

00:17:15.200 Again,

00:17:15.500 as someone who spent

00:17:16.640 so much time around,

00:17:17.540 you know,

00:17:17.960 elected Democrats,

00:17:19.660 why are they so focused

00:17:21.760 on this issue now?

00:17:22.560 I mean,

00:17:23.000 Daily Wire just reported

00:17:23.960 on a poll

00:17:24.480 that showed that

00:17:25.200 80% of Americans

00:17:26.880 are opposed

00:17:28.720 to gender transitions

00:17:29.800 for minors.

00:17:30.780 Yeah.

00:17:31.300 80%,

00:17:31.660 including a majority,

00:17:33.340 slim majority,

00:17:33.840 but a majority of Democrats

00:17:34.760 and then like 97%

00:17:35.840 of Republicans

00:17:36.360 and vast majority

00:17:37.800 of independents.

00:17:38.400 So it seems like

00:17:39.600 it's a very unpopular position

00:17:41.020 certainly to be as gung-ho

00:17:43.320 about it as they are.

00:17:44.260 Yeah.

00:17:44.940 So why,

00:17:45.940 why have they made this?

00:17:47.160 What's going on?

00:17:47.700 Why are they doing this?

00:17:48.740 You know,

00:17:49.440 it,

00:17:49.700 it,

00:17:49.940 it doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:17:51.840 There is just,

00:17:52.480 what I can say

00:17:53.280 is there is so much fear

00:17:55.040 that has been created

00:17:57.140 because,

00:17:59.420 you know,

00:17:59.720 when I talk about

00:18:00.480 how the party

00:18:01.380 is being controlled

00:18:02.420 by this elite cabal

00:18:03.880 of warmongers

00:18:04.700 and radical woke ideologues,

00:18:07.820 they,

00:18:08.740 it's,

00:18:09.480 they won't allow anyone

00:18:10.820 to disagree.

00:18:11.960 They won't allow anyone 1.00

00:18:12.920 to express concern

00:18:14.040 or ask these kinds

00:18:15.000 of questions.

00:18:16.240 And so they're pushing

00:18:17.220 their agenda

00:18:18.280 of which this is

00:18:19.660 the central focal point.

00:18:21.000 and other Democrats

00:18:23.360 see how people like

00:18:24.320 I'm treated

00:18:24.900 and smeared

00:18:25.720 and attacked

00:18:26.960 both online

00:18:27.780 and in the media

00:18:28.600 and they're afraid.

00:18:30.080 They're afraid to say anything

00:18:31.240 even though I believe

00:18:32.380 in their heart.

00:18:33.680 They know that

00:18:34.640 this is not right.

00:18:36.620 It doesn't make sense.

00:18:38.160 And it's,

00:18:38.640 it's really dangerous

00:18:39.580 in the effect

00:18:40.120 that it's having

00:18:40.680 on kids and parents

00:18:41.660 and families.

00:18:42.960 But this,

00:18:43.880 this culture of fear

00:18:45.120 and,

00:18:46.200 you know,

00:18:47.780 these fanatical ideologues

00:18:50.220 saying it's not enough

00:18:51.500 to say like,

00:18:52.340 okay,

00:18:52.940 like,

00:18:53.180 oh,

00:18:53.380 fine.

00:18:53.900 If,

00:18:54.360 you know,

00:18:54.620 yes,

00:18:54.900 we want to take care

00:18:55.600 of everyone

00:18:55.960 and make sure

00:18:56.320 no one is harmed.

00:18:57.640 They've got to go out there

00:18:58.940 and,

00:18:59.300 you know,

00:18:59.400 you've got to stand

00:18:59.960 on the street corner.

00:19:00.660 You've got to march

00:19:01.220 and hold the sign

00:19:01.900 and use the bullhorn

00:19:02.800 and prove

00:19:03.940 how much you believe

00:19:06.040 in whatever their narrative

00:19:07.040 of the day is.

00:19:08.840 There's a lot of people

00:19:09.680 who are really afraid

00:19:10.380 to stand up

00:19:11.100 and say what is obvious

00:19:12.120 to most others,

00:19:13.740 which is the truth.

00:19:15.600 When you were,

00:19:16.280 when you were actually

00:19:16.780 in Congress,

00:19:17.980 you talk about the,

00:19:19.160 the backlash

00:19:21.320 you get on social media

00:19:22.140 and the media,

00:19:23.180 but did you have

00:19:24.160 actual leadership

00:19:26.420 of the Democrat Party

00:19:27.220 coming to you

00:19:28.400 and saying

00:19:28.780 you need to get in line?

00:19:29.820 Yes.

00:19:30.500 They did?

00:19:31.000 Yes.

00:19:31.660 The legislation

00:19:32.500 that I introduced

00:19:33.260 in Congress

00:19:33.960 with my friend

00:19:35.200 Mark Wayne Mullen

00:19:35.820 was called

00:19:36.220 the Protect Women's Sports Act

00:19:37.720 and it was really

00:19:38.660 just centered around,

00:19:40.580 it didn't mention

00:19:41.080 the word trans

00:19:41.860 or gender identity

00:19:42.680 or anything else.

00:19:43.740 It just said

00:19:44.460 we need to uphold

00:19:46.060 the original intent

00:19:46.920 of Title IX

00:19:47.660 that was created

00:19:48.880 out of a recognition

00:19:50.320 of the biological difference

00:19:51.520 between males

00:19:52.900 and females, 0.98

00:19:53.720 the male and female sex.

00:19:55.780 And there were

00:19:57.240 a number of people

00:19:58.460 leading Democrats

00:19:59.720 on the House floor

00:20:00.660 who came up to me

00:20:01.520 after we introduced

00:20:02.320 that legislation

00:20:03.260 with really,

00:20:06.140 really harmful words,

00:20:11.440 I'll say to me,

00:20:12.720 harmful and critical words

00:20:13.860 of how dare you

00:20:14.860 introduce this legislation.

00:20:16.820 Again,

00:20:17.740 no room for any dialogue,

00:20:19.460 no room for any conversation

00:20:20.920 about it whatsoever.

00:20:22.880 The backlash was strong

00:20:24.140 both in the House

00:20:25.940 as well as online

00:20:26.900 and in the media.

00:20:28.000 Again,

00:20:28.500 which sends a message

00:20:29.360 to anyone else

00:20:30.100 who's even thinking

00:20:30.960 what we were doing,

00:20:33.200 the thinking about the truth,

00:20:35.180 shut up. 0.95

00:20:37.660 Stand,

00:20:37.980 you know,

00:20:38.240 step in line

00:20:39.000 and shut up. 1.00

00:20:39.980 That's the message

00:20:40.640 that they send.

00:20:41.340 Comply.

00:20:42.680 Being there for eight years,

00:20:43.800 is the corruption

00:20:47.680 in D.C.

00:20:48.220 as bad

00:20:48.720 as just regular Joes 1.00

00:20:50.800 like myself assume?

00:20:52.560 You know,

00:20:52.740 we have no inside knowledge,

00:20:54.080 but you use a word,

00:20:55.400 see,

00:20:55.540 when you use a word

00:20:55.980 like elite cabal,

00:20:57.160 speaking as someone

00:20:58.660 who was in D.C.

00:20:59.320 for eight years,

00:21:01.160 like that means something

00:21:02.240 because it's like

00:21:03.180 you were there.

00:21:04.480 So,

00:21:05.440 is that really

00:21:06.260 how it works?

00:21:07.080 It is as corrupt

00:21:08.580 as you would imagine,

00:21:10.620 but the problem is

00:21:11.580 it is the norm there.

00:21:13.920 So,

00:21:14.440 it's not seen

00:21:16.460 as something

00:21:17.320 that's bad.

00:21:19.760 You know,

00:21:20.060 when you look

00:21:20.620 at all these stories

00:21:21.280 about insider trading

00:21:22.400 and the decisions

00:21:23.820 that are made

00:21:24.600 by leaders

00:21:25.780 and kind of

00:21:26.740 the normal day-to-day

00:21:27.700 practice of the wheeling

00:21:28.880 and dealing,

00:21:29.440 it is their norm

00:21:30.980 and they don't see

00:21:31.980 anything wrong with it,

00:21:32.980 which is exactly

00:21:33.680 the problem.

00:21:34.840 They're so far

00:21:35.440 out of touch

00:21:36.100 with reality

00:21:37.460 and what is obvious

00:21:38.820 to most Americans

00:21:39.740 across the country

00:21:40.780 that

00:21:42.480 they're going

00:21:44.360 about their daily lives

00:21:45.580 and if you were

00:21:46.100 to tell them

00:21:46.700 like,

00:21:47.360 yeah,

00:21:47.560 what you're doing

00:21:48.140 is corrupt,

00:21:49.180 they would be like,

00:21:49.720 oh,

00:21:50.040 how dare you?

00:21:51.400 This is not who I am.

00:21:52.740 I'm doing this

00:21:53.300 for the right reasons

00:21:54.100 and all this other stuff.

00:21:55.620 Do they believe that?

00:21:56.600 I do.

00:21:57.680 They believe it

00:21:58.380 about themselves?

00:21:59.020 I do,

00:21:59.480 yes.

00:22:00.100 I believe that

00:22:00.860 when they look

00:22:02.540 in the mirror,

00:22:03.040 they got no issue

00:22:03.800 with who they see

00:22:04.400 looking back at them.

00:22:06.560 That's even more frightening.

00:22:07.740 It is.

00:22:08.120 In a lot of ways.

00:22:08.740 It is.

00:22:09.640 Are you,

00:22:09.980 are you hopeful

00:22:11.360 about the future

00:22:13.260 of the country

00:22:13.680 in all honesty?

00:22:18.340 I am very concerned

00:22:19.860 but what gives me hope

00:22:22.380 is the hearts

00:22:25.360 of the American people.

00:22:26.640 I have had the opportunity,

00:22:28.200 it's what inspired me

00:22:29.200 when I ran for president,

00:22:30.480 sitting in the room,

00:22:31.320 standing in the room

00:22:31.980 with people

00:22:32.440 from all different ends

00:22:33.540 of the political spectrum

00:22:34.460 who really,

00:22:36.000 truly,

00:22:36.440 deeply love this country

00:22:37.500 and who share

00:22:38.820 the same concerns

00:22:39.560 that I do

00:22:40.000 about our future.

00:22:41.480 It's what I've heard

00:22:42.320 from people

00:22:42.780 over this last week

00:22:44.060 from all ends

00:22:45.220 of the political spectrum

00:22:46.200 and so my hope

00:22:48.120 lies in the hearts

00:22:49.700 and the hands

00:22:50.220 and the votes

00:22:50.780 of the American people

00:22:52.000 that more and more people

00:22:53.280 are realizing

00:22:53.980 who we choose

00:22:55.280 as our leaders

00:22:55.920 matter

00:22:56.660 and it has a direct

00:22:58.000 impact on our kids

00:22:59.500 and our communities

00:23:00.380 and our future

00:23:01.160 and so the hope

00:23:03.620 that I have

00:23:04.440 is in the people

00:23:06.400 and our ability

00:23:07.660 to make change

00:23:08.500 but we've got to do it.

00:23:09.860 That's a strong place

00:23:12.440 to end

00:23:12.720 but I do have to ask

00:23:13.480 you one other question

00:23:14.440 that I ask

00:23:15.220 every single person

00:23:16.020 that I ever meet

00:23:17.440 really

00:23:17.740 but I have to ask you

00:23:18.940 is

00:23:19.260 you know

00:23:20.500 we hear a lot

00:23:21.220 about UFO sightings

00:23:23.080 so where do you

00:23:24.320 stand on that?

00:23:25.280 Where do you stand

00:23:25.700 on aliens, UFOs?

00:23:27.360 Have they been?

00:23:27.780 Have they visited?

00:23:28.160 I don't doubt

00:23:28.700 I don't know

00:23:29.640 I'm a big believer

00:23:30.180 by the way

00:23:30.600 This is

00:23:31.020 I'll tell you

00:23:32.260 this is not

00:23:32.620 my area of expertise

00:23:33.300 but I believe

00:23:34.840 that they are out there

00:23:36.980 Do you think

00:23:37.880 they've been?

00:23:38.120 Whoever they are

00:23:38.740 Some of these UFO sightings

00:23:39.940 that we hear

00:23:40.400 from the military

00:23:41.140 Yeah

00:23:41.720 It doesn't surprise me

00:23:43.720 It doesn't surprise me

00:23:45.520 Again

00:23:45.840 I don't spend time

00:23:47.400 looking at this stuff

00:23:48.180 or reading about it

00:23:49.760 but I see the headlines

00:23:51.000 and stories come out

00:23:52.000 and it doesn't surprise me

00:23:53.440 Good

00:23:53.840 Well I'll mark you down

00:23:55.120 as a true believer

00:23:55.660 if that's not quite accurate

00:23:57.600 but Tulsa Gabbard

00:23:59.060 thanks so much

00:23:59.500 Thanks Matt

00:23:59.960 for talking to me

00:24:00.420 It's great talking to you

The Matt Walsh Show - October 28, 2022

Why I Left ｜ Tulsi Gabbard Talks With Matt Walsh

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