The Megyn Kelly Show - 2025 Memorable Moments： Matthew McConaughey, Charlie Kirk, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Schulz, Dave Portnoy, Tim Dillon

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and Merry Christmas.

00:00:17.160 Today we look back at the entire year of 2025 and bring you some of the most memorable interviews

00:00:22.720 from the more than 200 episodes of the show. We had on Matthew McConaughey in September

00:00:28.800 talking about raising kids and getting out of Hollywood to stay true to himself.

00:00:33.660 Tulsi Gabbard, our director of national intelligence, came on for a special hour-long sit-down from the

00:00:39.140 DNI headquarters. The comedians Andrew Schultz and Tim Dillon came by this studio for in-person

00:00:45.200 interviews that were hilarious and deep. Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy joining me at Sirius

00:00:51.920 XM headquarters in New York for an in-depth conversation. And then there was Charlie Kirk.

00:00:57.300 At the end of this episode, a fun conversation from his final appearance on this show in August,

00:01:03.620 it's hard to believe, with some truly brilliant dating advice for young men and women. We are

00:01:10.300 going to miss him so much and we already do. It's just a sampling of this very busy year made

00:01:16.140 successful thanks to you. Enjoy. And we will see you next week for True Crime Christmas.

00:01:21.700 In The Lost Bus, you have an interesting situation because you have your son. Your son,

00:01:29.460 Levi, is starring in it, 17 years old. And I've actually, so I'm kind of drafting behind you on

00:01:36.540 the childhood front because my kids are almost your kids' ages. They're 15, 14, and 12. And now that

00:01:42.820 they're getting to be like real humans, you know, like we're, they're on the cusp of adulthood.

00:01:48.760 I've asked myself this question about nepotism, the nepo baby. And, you know, when you're the 1.00

00:01:54.360 mother of a kid who's, you know, through no fault of their own is born to you and you might be a public

00:01:59.620 figure, it's hard to call it that, you know, as opposed to like, well, if my kid wanted my help

00:02:04.440 getting into my industry, I'd probably give him an open door and then let him take it. And you were

00:02:10.380 recently in this position. Can you tell us what happened? Yeah. And that nepotism question is a

00:02:16.040 really good one because I don't want my kids to ever feel entitled. At the same time, do I believe

00:02:22.300 with people in my own life, outside of my family, that if you want to know where the arrow is going,

00:02:27.400 look at where it was shot from. So there's real practicality to that. My son, as I pitch films that

00:02:34.380 I'm into my family all the time, my son comes to me and he, I knew that there was a role as a young

00:02:39.540 boy to play my son. He says, how old is that kid? I said, he's about 13, 14, which was Levi's age at

00:02:45.040 the time. And he goes, can I read for it? And I was like, kind of just straight faced him and walked

00:02:50.380 off. I wanted to see how much he wanted it. If it was just a whim on, he comes up four more times

00:02:55.460 over the next week. Can I read for it? Can I read for it? Can I read for it? And I said, okay,

00:02:59.820 you want to read for it? Let me tell you what this acting thing's about. This is not just a little,

00:03:04.120 hey, hey, what if, hey, I'm going to teach you something about this. You got to revere this craft and you

00:03:08.280 got to work at it. So let's work on this character right now. We'll get a read. We did. I put it on

00:03:12.480 camera. I saw on camera. I was like, oh, he's got presence. He can hold a frame. He's being honest

00:03:16.860 in front of the camera. That's good instincts. Okay. I sent it to the casting director and I said,

00:03:22.320 Francine, I think it's maybe good enough for a callback. What do you think? And she wrote back,

00:03:26.720 said, I think it's good enough to send to the director. And I said, oh, okay. Will you do me a favor?

00:03:31.700 Will you pull his last name off? Because I just don't want it preceding anyone's opinion.

00:03:38.000 To help or to help her. And she goes, yes. Right. You don't want to send the message.

00:03:41.920 I'm phoning in a favor here. Hey, you know, kind of, hey, it's playing my son. You do me a favor.

00:03:47.300 I would not make that call. And I'm not going to make that call again, open the door. But once you

00:03:51.540 get in the door, son, daughter, you go handle. But I did open a door. I had access to get his read to

00:03:56.920 the cast director. Well, the director sees it and says, that's the kid. She goes, well, that happens to be

00:04:01.220 Matthew's son. He goes, even better. So he got the role, which makes, I'm very proud of. And he did

00:04:07.560 it on his own merit and his own talent. Okay. But now let me ask you about part two, part two. So

00:04:11.600 then he, so he stars in it is it's about to launch. And now I think at this point in the process,

00:04:18.300 I haven't yet gotten there. And none of my kids have said they want to go to media. I'm just saying

00:04:21.800 like I would help them. I think I'd be living in, in terror of bad reviews of nasty internet trolls.

00:04:29.980 It's one thing when they come for us, who cares? We're used to it, but come for my kid. I mean,

00:04:33.980 that's the kind of thing I might toss and turn over at night. I have not tossed and turned and maybe

00:04:38.800 that's because I said, get ready for it. It's going to happen anyway. I said, I said, your last name is

00:04:43.860 going to get you praise in places. Maybe you didn't deserve it. It's also going to get you slammed in

00:04:50.280 places you don't deserve it. So this is a rodeo. If you want to get into this, I'm not saying you

00:04:55.260 got to have thick skin, but you've got to know what's important to you and you got to be ready

00:04:58.560 to hit. Knives are going to come at you, whether you deserve them or not. Fair has nothing to do

00:05:03.160 with this. So if you love doing the craft enough and you're good at it, you stick your, put your head

00:05:07.880 down and do that. And the rest of that, you've got to have thick skin about, because that's going to

00:05:12.300 happen. Fair has nothing to do with this. That's a great life lesson. I, I, in, in the book you write

00:05:19.860 in poems and prayers, you write, I wrote it down. Your number one job is helping your kids become

00:05:24.120 who they are, not who you want them to be. Shoot it into my veins. It's exactly right. So many people

00:05:31.180 don't get it, Matthew. They think the kids are a do over. And you've come to the same realization

00:05:37.560 that Doug and I have, which is that DNA thing has a lot to do with how they show up. And we just kind

00:05:45.100 of fool ourselves that we're the big maestros about where it's going.

00:05:49.320 But that was the biggest surprise to me about having children. I thought it was 90, 10 environment

00:05:54.800 culture to DNA. And all of a sudden I was like, Oh, it's closer to the opposite.

00:05:59.380 Yes, totally. But that's, I mean, I would imagine, especially in Hollywood, that's not a lesson

00:06:06.820 everybody understands, you know, because it's a very hard charging ground for me to dump on Hollywood

00:06:11.900 nonstop, though. I'll be honest, my audience can't stand Hollywood. Um, but it's a very hard

00:06:16.760 charging group of people that have made it in a very competitive industry. Like they've made it

00:06:22.960 at the top. So they've got to be somewhat cutthroat, but then you have a kid and everybody out there

00:06:27.260 is probably facing a similar challenge, which is how do I maintain my kids' competitive drive,

00:06:35.480 notwithstanding the fact that they've been born into a life of luxury and privilege,

00:06:40.040 et cetera. Right. And like, I don't know. I think too many parents would default to I'll make him a

00:06:46.540 killer as opposed to, I will sit back and figure out, like, let him figure out whether he wants to

00:06:52.440 be a killer. Well, you know how it is. I mean, it's, it's, there's a lot of parents and you probably

00:07:01.660 know them as well that for my money, I think become, or want to be friends with their children

00:07:07.280 when they need to be parents to them. And that friend to their children is sometimes a bit of

00:07:12.560 that do-over. Hey, maybe you can pick up where I left off and become a better version of me,

00:07:17.040 which is, that's not what a child's acting, asking for early on. Um, you know, do-overs. I, I, I, I,

00:07:27.280 I, I think that kids want us to be a parent to them early. Are you more traditional dad?

00:07:33.380 I mean, I know you're married to a Brazilian woman and I, I have a lot of Brazilian friends.

00:07:38.360 I know that they tend to like a more traditional man and you're from Texas. So I kind of feel like

00:07:43.720 you'd be more of a trad dad, but are you? Well, look, I'm more, I go, I call it, and this is not a,

00:07:49.000 a political term, but I call it conservative, very liberal late. I want my kids to know how to

00:07:54.580 block and tackle, know your manners and graces and arithmetic and respect before we're going to

00:07:59.460 go fly our freak flag and say, whatever. So I think art emulates life. I want them to learn who

00:08:06.460 they are and who they are not in life before they're going off into imaginations. Now you can

00:08:13.860 create whoever it is you want to be, but let's have a foundation that we understand about how we act

00:08:20.140 and how we treat ourselves and each other before we go off into, you know, la la land of dreams and

00:08:26.940 creation. Again, how I grew up, learned to deal before I learned to dream. That's how, that's sort

00:08:31.260 of my look at it. I believe in consequences. I believe in discipline. I also believe that sometimes

00:08:37.520 as I'm learning right now, I did not know Megan that I always thought you went from father to

00:08:42.240 later on a friend. And I did not know that there's a bridge in the middle there called big brother

00:08:46.860 as a father. And I'm able to be a big brother, especially now that my kids are teens and I can kind

00:08:52.240 of put my hand on their back and maybe not judge them as quickly and go, I know what you're talking

00:08:56.000 about. Let me tell you this story about when I was in high school. And the other great thing about

00:09:00.160 teenage kids is I don't have to edit my good stories as much to them anymore.

00:09:06.240 Now, which period of your life are the best stories from?

00:09:10.920 Oh, I mean, I've got some starting back from when I was eight. I think the best stories were probably,

00:09:19.660 oh man, every decade had a great story. I would say I could pick them out all over the place.

00:09:24.740 There's things I look back at that I did when I was younger that makes me happy to be here

00:09:29.660 and alive. But there's been some great stories, which I cataloged along the way and mostly in

00:09:36.740 Greenlights and somewhat in poems and prayers. I think there's been some pretty good stories along

00:09:41.420 the way.

00:09:41.980 Well, you don't seem risk averse. You've outlined it, leaving Hollywood and saying,

00:09:47.020 I'm just going to do it differently. That was a huge risk. But your life philosophy does not,

00:09:50.580 as reflected in poems and prayers, does not seem to favor safe spaces. It seems to favor,

00:09:55.380 take the big risks and don't die in your bed saying, I never got hurt.

00:10:01.680 Right. Well, that's a constant thing to measure, isn't it? Because especially after getting successful,

00:10:09.660 having a family, things that I've built that I want to maintain, that I'm not going to be foolish with.

00:10:15.420 All right. At the same time, I don't want to get complacent and safe and go, okay, this is it.

00:10:21.960 Everyone just huddle up, put your, you know, keep everything else out. I still want to take

00:10:25.560 risk. And that's also, you know, something that I know women, I'm sure they do too, but men go through

00:10:32.640 in middle age, you're at the bottom of the horseshoe. Like, are we taking the risk anymore?

00:10:36.140 How do we still take a chance with the, take the right kind of risk? And I still want to take the right

00:10:41.280 kind of risk, but I don't want to be foolish with what I've built. Cause some of the stuff I've built

00:10:44.460 is non-negotiably going to be on my table and in my life until I leave this one. You know,

00:10:50.020 I have that passage in poems and prayers. I'm curious, you know, if, if, if, if, if it's God

00:10:56.260 happier, if we take eight major risks in life and pull off seven of them, or is he happy when we take

00:11:01.600 a hundred risks and pull off eight, you know, it's like a little bit of that money. You know what I mean?

00:11:08.860 Right. I think he's saying if you didn't take enough risk, if you did, it would, maybe, maybe

00:11:14.460 that's the sin. You know what I mean? And if you didn't, it's, it's, it's, you know, the sin comes

00:11:20.060 from an archery term to miss the mark. That's what the word sin comes from to miss the mark.

00:11:28.160 We miss the mark all the time. And I don't want to quit taking the chances to miss the mark. I want

00:11:33.460 to make, I want to hit the mark, but don't want to go out going, well, I never shot.

00:11:36.740 But it's even harder when you've reached your level of success because now you do have a lot

00:11:41.540 to lose. So, you know, to keep challenging yourself, to keep making yourself go out there

00:11:46.160 and take the big risks, it gets even scarier, right? It's one thing when you're up and coming

00:11:50.380 is like, what the hell? Or even when you're on the middle of the ladder, but when you're

00:11:53.780 at the top of the ladder with all the things, a lot of people would say, I'm going to stay.

00:11:58.180 I'm going to hold.

00:11:59.220 Yeah. I'll hold.

00:12:00.380 I'll hold.

00:12:01.060 You don't feel that way.

00:12:01.780 Um, I hope not. Look, I've, I've been told by many people that are close to me that my

00:12:07.460 biggest asset is that I take risk. I also think that that's what I need to take more

00:12:13.720 of that. I don't take enough. So as it is, what could that look like for Matthew McConaughey

00:12:19.460 at 55?

00:12:21.380 Um, putting my cards on the table of who I am in this big movie that I'm living. That

00:12:28.100 was action was called the day I was born and cuts called the day I'm leaving this life.

00:12:31.540 The documentary that I'm living, that we're all living, putting it on and going. And

00:12:35.580 it's what I'm doing a bit up now and I still have a ways to go. I'm creating characters

00:12:39.600 that I believe in and want to play in my own life and saying, what are you doing live?

00:12:45.080 What's happening in the cameras rolling? It's been rolling since the day we were born. What

00:12:50.000 do you, why do you have to go off to do someone else that something else, someone that something

00:12:53.560 else wrote and is directing and is could in cinematographer and then editing, get rid of

00:12:58.400 those filters. What's, what am I doing live? Who am I live in life? That's what I'm pressing

00:13:04.900 myself on for the, mainly for the last six years more so, um, than any time. And I hope

00:13:10.680 I'll continue to press on myself to do that. That, okay. That leads me to one of my favorite

00:13:16.140 pieces in the book, uh, which is on page 77, it's good man. And you write as follows. There's

00:13:24.320 a difference between a good man and a nice guy. A good man stands for certain ideals. And

00:13:29.560 when those beliefs are contested, a good man is not a nice guy. No, I love that. Can you

00:13:37.080 talk about how you came to that realization? Yeah. So, you know, I, I, part of it, I think

00:13:47.160 the best example would be around that time I was doing nothing but the rom-coms, you know,

00:13:51.720 those were, those are nice guy roles. They worked. I enjoyed them. I was getting paid

00:13:56.580 well. They were easy to do. They felt like a Saturday. The nice guy roles and nothing wrong

00:14:01.940 with that. But I was ready to do more dramas in life. I was ready to stand up for things

00:14:08.740 that I believed in and stand against things I didn't in life. And I wanted to also find

00:14:12.280 roles that I could do that in. That's when I started becoming more of a good man. And that

00:14:18.880 does, that means you're going to run into conflicts. That means you're going to have

00:14:21.960 to go against the masses at certain times. That means you're going to have to lead when

00:14:26.280 you'd rather just sit back and watch sometimes. Um, that means you're going to have to run

00:14:30.040 towards crisis instead of away from it. Sometimes that means you're not going to be

00:14:33.800 proper. That means you're going to receive the, the, the blades in the back and, and,

00:14:37.660 and it's okay. If you, it's easier to, I know for me, when my faith is stronger because I can

00:14:43.760 slough those things off because I'm going, no, no, no, I'm playing an immortal game here.

00:14:47.440 Stay, that's the game I'm playing. Don't worry about the mortal game. Worry about the immortal

00:14:51.440 game. Um, so to have the courage to do that and what you stand for and don't stand for. And I always

00:14:57.020 like say this to people that are, as we're finding ourselves, especially young people,

00:15:01.100 it's harder to say, Oh, who am I and what I want to do? It's easier to go, well, let's define who I'm

00:15:08.120 not and what I don't want to do and eliminate those people, places and things and habits that we have

00:15:13.040 in our life that are not paying us back. Get rid of those. And by sheer mathematics, you'll have more

00:15:18.320 things in front of us that do feed us. And Hey, we all got good wolves and bad wolves in us. It's our

00:15:24.000 choice to which wolf we want to feed. I'm trying to do my best to feed the good wolf knowing that

00:15:28.940 the bad wolf is still hungry. Okay. Speaking of the wolves, the wolf of wall street, how fun

00:15:35.240 was that role? I've got to ask you. This is an amazing role. What can I bring for you on this

00:15:40.900 glorious afternoon? Well, Hector, here's the game plan. You're going to bring us two absolute

00:15:45.800 martinis. You know how I like them straight up. And then precisely seven and one half minutes after

00:15:51.300 that, you're going to bring us two more. Then two more after that, every five minutes

00:15:56.060 until one of us passes the fuck out. Excellent strategy, sir. I'm good with water for now,

00:16:02.840 though. Thank you. It's his first day on wall street. Give him time. First time to work with

00:16:08.220 Scorsese. First time to work with Leonardo. I'm getting called in for a day's work. I'm a little

00:16:13.660 nervous. I get there. Really? But this character. Oh yeah. I always, I still get nervous no matter

00:16:19.200 what I'm doing. I get nervous every single day at work. Just the right amount. I don't want to lose

00:16:23.020 the butterflies yet. And I go in and one of the things I do, not only on that show, but on all

00:16:30.780 shows is before I'll do a scene, I'll start banging my chest and find some sort of tune and I'll hum it

00:16:37.860 out and everything. And it's to relax myself. I'll do it for interviews. Sometimes relax, get out of my

00:16:43.120 head, find the rhythm, and then come into the scene. Well, I was doing that before the scene

00:16:49.480 with Leonardo and Wolf of Wall Street. But then as soon as we go action, I'd stop and we do the scene.

00:16:55.520 We do the scene four times. Got it. Funny. Perfect. Let's move on. Marty says, let's move on. It was

00:17:03.460 Leonardo's idea. Leonardo raises his hand. He goes, hang on a second. He goes, what's that thing you're

00:17:06.980 doing before every take? And I told him what I just told you to relax and get my voice down and

00:17:10.900 everything. He goes, what if you did that in the scene? I was like, great. And the next take

00:17:16.200 is the one you see in the movie. Oh, no way.

00:17:32.300 Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. Well, that's a great thing about you. You truly do have range.

00:17:40.000 I mean, it's not every guy who can do both the How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, that scene in Wolf

00:17:46.200 of Wall Street, Dallas Buyers Club, and True Detective, right? And speaking of True Detective,

00:17:51.440 I got to ask, who is your best friend in Hollywood and why is it Woody Harrelson?

00:17:57.980 Woody has been a great friend of mine for a long time. I mean, anytime I feel like Woody,

00:18:03.060 I get younger. Anybody who's spent time with Woody, he's one of the last wild men,

00:18:07.500 a perpetual eight-year-old, has no context of time. And I mean, he can frustrate the heck out

00:18:12.820 of you. But if he may show up three days late, he may show up barefoot three days late to your

00:18:17.060 wedding, but you can't get mad at him because if you showed up a week late for his wedding,

00:18:20.800 he don't care. So Woody always like to say, hey, even if you're going to the Oscars,

00:18:27.080 it's probably best to bring your bathing suit.

00:18:28.560 I can't imagine like the cast of characters that has been in and out of your life. I wondered,

00:18:36.280 though, like thinking about, yes, who do you hang out with as friends? Anybody in Hollywood? Like,

00:18:40.060 are you friends with the Hollywood people or no, you're friends with the Texas people?

00:18:43.580 Well, I'm friends. I've got some, I've made some very good friends in Hollywood. I mean,

00:18:47.460 but also some friends that I'm still friends with people that I was friends with in college. I've made,

00:18:53.960 I'm still friends with my buddy, Cole Hauser was just in town. He and I met on Days Confused.

00:18:59.940 He's having a great time now, career wise with his role as Rip and in Yellowstone.

00:19:05.540 I know, he's amazing.

00:19:06.160 We're developing a project together. I still talk to Rory Cochran, who I met on Days Confused. And

00:19:11.860 these are all friends of mine who are actors that I met in 1992.

00:19:16.520 Cole Hauser was also in Good Will Hunting, which is like crazy that that was him.

00:19:20.960 Yeah. Yeah. Young Cole Kinney, this red with the short red fro. So I made, I made friends along

00:19:27.780 the way and met some wonderful people in the, in, in Hollywood as well. Okay. But here's,

00:19:32.480 here's where I wanted to take it. Is there anyone in Hollywood who you really admire,

00:19:36.660 like whose values you admire? I'm sure you admire, admire the work of many people,

00:19:40.800 but like, is there somebody who's living in a way that you think, yeah, that's hashtag goals right

00:19:45.620 there? Well, I always looked up to a way Paul Newman led his life as a, as a talented actor on

00:19:52.900 screen, married to Joanne all that time. Um, the only marriage throughout, um, the way he was able

00:20:00.680 to be completely in the spotlight, but also live his own life. I always admired that.

00:20:06.740 Um, and like you also then gave a bunch of time and money to charity. Like didn't just rest on his

00:20:12.940 levels. Okay. Gave over a hundred million dollars to charity. Thanks to Paul Newman.

00:20:17.800 And made that, that was a part of his, his, his life that was on his proverbial desk every Monday

00:20:24.100 morning in his life. He made that a part of his life and that was his choice. You know, people always

00:20:27.920 go, yeah, but you've succeeded. You have the responsibility. I don't, I don't, I think that's

00:20:31.780 an easy place to go. Don't go to responsibility. If you've got the chance, you have the choice

00:20:35.840 and the ability, but choices, uh, give us a lot more ownership than saying, Oh, it's his

00:20:41.280 responsibility. I ought to do it. But he did. He did. So I've, I've, I've looked up to his life.

00:20:46.420 Um, you know, I learned something though from some people and I won't say their names. They were

00:20:51.780 elder men in the business. Um, and this is when we first had Camilla and I first had children

00:20:57.960 and I said to them, they had children. And I said to them, Hey, you know, you go on the road,

00:21:04.440 you go to on set for three months, five months, whatever. Do you, do you, do you take your family

00:21:08.400 and your kids with you? And they said this version of this, look, it's either their friends

00:21:12.780 or their dad. And all of them that I talked to said they chose to let their kids stay back

00:21:19.700 and they have their lives in their schools and have be with their friends and not come to work

00:21:24.820 with that. And all of them said, if I could do it again, I'd have made them come with and choose

00:21:33.840 to be with dad. And so when Camilla and I had kids before she pulled the goalie, she said,

00:21:39.620 if we're going to do this one condition, you go, we go. And so it's been a real privilege for me

00:21:48.900 as a father and a husband and the head of the family that anytime I go to work, the family comes

00:21:56.760 with, and that's been a major sacrifice for Camilla, but one that she would openly say,

00:22:02.680 I, I, it, it, it reaps more rewards than it does deficits. And it is getting harder now. And you're

00:22:10.180 seeing this with your kids getting older. It's getting harder because they're older. They have

00:22:15.140 the social sort of circles and rhythms and teams. They're a part. And I don't know what I'm going

00:22:20.680 to do the next time. You know, this last one, I just did what I could to get it to shoot in my

00:22:25.060 hometown of Austin. Cause I didn't want to take them away. More of the kids, more of the kids need

00:22:29.480 to go into the next. That's it. That's more of the kids and shoot more down the road.

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00:23:29.060 You and I have talked before about how Hillary Clinton labeled you a puppet of Putin. You put a

00:23:39.820 Russian asset, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, shamefully said the same. And, um, I saw recently president 0.87

00:23:47.240 Trump withdrew Hillary Clinton's security clearance, which you had to do. Yes. I mean, that must've been

00:23:52.540 a little fun, right? Oh, just a little fun. I smiled. Of course you did. You're only human.

00:24:02.200 Yeah, I am. So yeah, that's over for her. Um, and a number of other people, by the way,

00:24:07.560 when you look at the 51 Mark Zaid, I love that intelligence officials who signed that Hunter

00:24:12.800 Biden disinformation letter, um, and, and never apologized for it, never held themselves accountable

00:24:18.280 for it. Yes. Mark Zaid, you had Letitia James and, and others. Why did she even have one? Well,

00:24:23.940 some of them didn't have clearances, but they had access to classified information. And so we took

00:24:29.080 away that access for those. Yeah. Alvin Bragg didn't have clearances. Yes. Okay. Um, and, and

00:24:35.380 there, there are more to come. And this is part of what we're doing in our investigative work

00:24:39.240 as we go back and look, for example, at Crossfire Hurricane and how there were assistant U.S.

00:24:45.440 attorneys who were knowingly using manufactured, uh, testimony that they would interview a witness,

00:24:53.900 for example, and know that the witness was lying to them either because they set up the lie or they

00:24:59.540 knew that the witness was lying, took that lie and used it as evidence to get a warrant, uh, under FISA

00:25:05.600 to go and surveil on Americans, uh, which is completely illegal. And so these are the kinds of

00:25:13.940 things, um, those types of people, those assistant U.S. attorneys or those FBI agents that were involved

00:25:20.800 in this kind of stuff, these are crimes that need to be prosecuted and these people need to be held

00:25:27.000 accountable. Will that happen? That will happen. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it's called the Foreign Intelligence

00:25:32.260 Surveillance Act. That's right. That's what it's supposed to be used for. Yeah, it's a good reminder.

00:25:35.220 Yeah. Um, on the subject of saving money, you're doing some of that right here. Yes. And in part,

00:25:41.540 it relates to enacting President Trump's DEI directives and pulling back on some of the nonsense

00:25:47.440 that I know you and all the other agencies were spending money on, not you, you, but the, this,

00:25:52.480 the intel community. Can you speak to a little bit of like what you found? Because you're doing your

00:25:56.520 own doge. You're doing dig. Yes. Um, so that's under you. You didn't out. So this is not one of

00:26:02.060 the areas that Elon and doge came into. You did it on your own. And I understand why there's a lot

00:26:06.120 of, they are helping us. They have incredible tools and a lot of lessons learned through the

00:26:09.960 work that they've done. Okay. And so they are helping us and allowing us the opportunity to be

00:26:14.200 able to apply those here. So we're not trying to reinvent the machine, uh, at all. And we're able to

00:26:18.620 get after the things we're looking for. So how much is going out the door on DEI programs and

00:26:23.500 hires and so on? Uh, so there was a DEI office that was immediately shut down and that alone was

00:26:30.440 a savings of around $20 million. But the thing that we just announced today, in fact, was the

00:26:36.040 closure of this, uh, office of human capital, completely different part of the organization.

00:26:42.560 Uh, and one that sounds like, okay, well, maybe this is like talent management. You're trying to go

00:26:46.960 out and see, well, where's the best talent and where are the gaps we need to fill, which is what I

00:26:51.200 thought. Uh, but it turns out that it was an office where the previous administration kind of

00:26:56.900 hid a bunch of their DEI people knowing that this action was going to be taken by president Trump.

00:27:03.100 And there was a slush fund there that they would use to fund people millions of dollars to go to

00:27:09.340 DEI conferences and talk to other DEI people. Uh, and so we shut that down at a savings of $150

00:27:16.040 million today. But the thing that I think a lot of people would be surprised by when people talk

00:27:22.340 about DEI and you hear, you know, whether CNN, MSNBC, they talk about DEI and they criticize the

00:27:27.580 president for his action and the actions that we are all taking to get rid of this claiming that

00:27:31.940 we're against diversity and all of this other crap. When I came in here, I was able to talk with

00:27:37.820 some of the people who work here. DEI was such a priority that, uh, it was baked into the incentive

00:27:45.300 structure for people to advance professionally here. And I would imagine it was very similar

00:27:50.480 across the federal government where some employees told me that they were put in a position where they

00:27:55.820 had to spend half of their time working on DEI initiatives in order for them to be able to put it

00:28:02.720 on their annual evaluation and therefore be noted as, Oh, well, you are more likely to get promoted

00:28:09.460 if you are spending this significant amount of time on this diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives.

00:28:15.460 And for me, I'm like, how in the world would you spend half of your time on that? Right. What were

00:28:19.660 you creating? Like I, and I don't really know the answer to that, but I do know the answer to our

00:28:25.120 national security on that question, because what that means is in the, the office of the director of

00:28:31.060 national intelligence. And we have people here who work from all across of these, uh, 18 intelligence

00:28:36.300 elements being put in a position where they're told, if you want to get promoted, if you don't,

00:28:42.140 if you want to advance in your career, the priority is not, are you delivering the best quality

00:28:47.340 intelligence assessments and analysis to best inform the president's most critical decisions?

00:28:53.540 No, you will advance professionally. If you show that you're dedicating half of your day

00:28:58.860 towards these DEI initiatives, your implicit bias. Exactly. Exactly. And so when we look at why this

00:29:04.840 was a priority for the president, this is not some superficial thing. There are national security

00:29:10.420 implications to what the Biden administration was doing in centering almost their entire

00:29:15.360 administration around DEI initiatives. You can take this towards any domestic agency. Look at the

00:29:21.180 department of education. Shouldn't they be focused on educating our kids? Well, wasn't there a group,

00:29:25.520 which Intel agency was it that had the people talking about transgender surgeries and non-binary

00:29:32.000 this? And this is the national security agency. Yeah. There's sex groups, polyamory. Yeah. I mean,

00:29:38.160 on and on. This is, this is a great example. So, so there was a, uh, uh, uh, someone who snuck into that

00:29:45.440 chat, um, that was not a part of, that was not an employee there. And they screenshotted what they saw and

00:29:52.820 leaked it out on X. Uh, and again, this is a chat group that was created and administered by

00:29:58.300 the NSA, one of the premier intelligence collection, uh, entities that we have. And, uh, it, it was

00:30:06.380 obscene. It was obscene. Yes. It was about all of those things. It was talking about sex toys and

00:30:12.660 sex tricks for people who had gone through, uh, you know, some kind of transgender surgery or 0.68

00:30:18.920 during the work day. This is, this is during the work day on an intelligence hosted work chat group.

00:30:27.260 Uh, and the supervisors, obviously, as soon as I found out about it, I said, anybody who's involved

00:30:33.720 with this is getting fired and getting their security clearance revoked, uh, which, which there

00:30:38.640 were some movies like, Oh gosh, aren't you like, that seems extreme. Like, no, imagine you're in any

00:30:43.480 office and you're having these kinds of sexually explicit conversations in the workplace. It is how,

00:30:49.680 I don't care what your sexual orientation or whatever your private choices are. This cannot 0.96

00:30:54.540 be happening in the workplace and it must not be happening in our premier intelligence, uh, agency

00:31:00.920 that has people who have the highest clearances, uh, that, that anyone can hold. The, the plot thickens

00:31:08.680 as many of the leaders feigned shock and surprise at this revelation, well, this chat group had existed

00:31:15.280 for over two years that this kind of stuff was happening in. And again, this is where transparency

00:31:21.220 and accountability matters so much. As soon as I made that announcement, uh, that we will be

00:31:26.740 investigating and holding these people accountable. I started hearing from people who were within the

00:31:30.720 workforce saying, I work at the NSA. I filed a written report with evidence of what was going on in

00:31:36.540 these chat groups a year ago, two years ago when this thing first kicked up. And basically because

00:31:42.340 of president Biden's DEI initiatives, they were essentially told, shut up. It's none of your

00:31:48.380 business. Wow. And then there was the coverup and then there was the leak. So this is one example of

00:31:55.020 many, how we can see, um, what the ramifications have been, uh, when we have in the last administration,

00:32:03.060 one that is seemingly focused on everything, but the most important things.

00:32:09.300 Speaking of the last administration, one question for you on SignalGate. As I heard you say this

00:32:14.200 recently, is this the first administration to use Signal for confidential chats?

00:32:20.580 Absolutely not.

00:32:22.140 I mean, you actually saw something that told you this was in fact being used by the Biden

00:32:26.540 administration who are out there all over X and other social media, ripping everyone who was on that

00:32:31.800 SignalGate thread to shreds. That is correct. So there's no question in your mind this was used

00:32:37.620 during the Biden administration by officials? I know for certain that it was to include national

00:32:42.520 security officials. Is there another way to communicate? Like do, are we stuck with signals?

00:32:47.400 So, so the main, the main means of communication for all of us, like this, in this building, this entire

00:32:52.520 building is a secure, uh, facility. That means that if you go outside of this lobby, there's a bunch of

00:32:59.780 lock boxes over there where you got to lock your phone in, you got to lock your, uh, Apple watch or your

00:33:05.080 aura ring, anything that transmits a signal gets locked up by everyone who works here and everyone

00:33:13.720 who visits here before you leave this lobby.

00:33:16.240 How are you supposed to count your steps?

00:33:17.420 Good luck. Take the, take the stairs. 0.79

00:33:21.360 The old fashioned way.

00:33:22.460 Exactly. But, but so, so the vast majority of the communication that happens is through secure

00:33:27.880 telephones and secure computers and things that are built in, uh, to our work environments. However,

00:33:34.340 I do have to leave the building at times and things have to keep moving and rolling. Same goes for

00:33:40.200 those who work in the White House and those who work across the administration. So at times for

00:33:45.160 practical purposes, you have to be able to communicate on the go. Signal, um, has been

00:33:50.540 recognized by the federal government during the Biden administration, by the way, in December of

00:33:55.160 2024, uh, as the, uh, preferred, uh, messaging app because it provides that end-to-end encryption,

00:34:04.840 uh, that makes it, you know, nothing is completely secure, but it is the most secure option if you need

00:34:10.780 to use it. You feel like it was unfair to Pete and Mike Walls? I mean, they, they took the brunt of

00:34:15.180 it. Yeah. I mean, you know, it shouldn't have happened. Uh, there are sensitive conversations

00:34:19.340 that, that, that occur in these signal chats. Um, but ultimately it was not at all what, uh,

00:34:28.300 those who are opposing the president's policies and those in the media made it out to be. And I can tell

00:34:33.980 you that there are some of the most vocal critics of that whole situation who also use signal and

00:34:41.340 communicate things that they would not want released publicly as well. Not surprised. Exactly.

00:34:46.620 As I've listened to you over this hour, I've had one thought recur to me over and over and over,

00:34:51.980 and it is first female president. That is what I like. I look at you and I see it and I know they

00:34:59.180 put you through the meat grinder, uh, the last time, but that was the other side.

00:35:04.460 Now you've crossed over. And so I just wonder. Thank you for not saying transition.

00:35:10.540 People use that where it's like, okay, that's one of those words that's like for a certain thing.

00:35:15.260 It's no, but notwithstanding how rough that was when you, when you ran for president the first time,

00:35:23.420 have you ruled out ever doing it again? Could we potentially see a Tulsi 2028 try?

00:35:31.660 Um, I will never rule out any opportunity to serve my country. Uh, I would not have, if,

00:35:38.700 if we had talked a year ago, uh, the thought would not have crossed my mind that I would be here and

00:35:46.300 that we would be having this conversation. My decisions in my life have, have always been made

00:35:52.860 around how can I best be of service to God? How can I best be of service to our country?

00:35:58.460 And, um, that, that is what has led me here. I'm grateful for this opportunity and I will continue

00:36:05.100 to chase those opportunities where I can make the most positive impact and be of service.

00:36:10.060 And now you and I sit here having done something the two of us back in 2016 never would have thought

00:36:17.100 we would have done, which was stood up on a stage and endorsed Donald Trump.

00:36:20.860 Yeah. Now you're working for him. Yeah. I endorsed him too. Yeah. And it was so great. I was there.

00:36:26.540 I remember it was, uh, it was such a powerful, it was such a powerful, uh, moment and, and speech

00:36:33.020 that you delivered because of your history with him. You are very generous to even mention that what

00:36:38.380 you did for president Trump was huge and seeing you up there and announcing like your partisan change,

00:36:43.740 you, you know, with Trump, it was this, that was like the team of rivals or the Marvel universe

00:36:50.060 coming together. The Avengers. Yeah. The Avengers. You're one of them. You're one of the most,

00:36:53.660 and the gray streak is part of it. It just works. But I wonder if you do decide to do something,

00:36:59.660 you know, in the future running for president or individual executive leadership,

00:37:03.980 what have you learned from him? What do you, what would you want to take away from the kind of leader

00:37:10.540 Trump is? He's a very bold leader. And as we see, he's making decisions, um, without care for what the

00:37:21.500 media chirps about him or what his, uh, so-called critics may say about him. And, um, and, and he's quite

00:37:31.340 masterful at it, by the way, um, you know, he's, he's been, uh, so effective at connecting with the

00:37:40.860 American people, uh, in ways that I think a lot of the, the politicians or the, the so-called political

00:37:48.140 pundits here in Washington, D.C., uh, never really understood. And maybe a lot of them still don't. Um, but

00:37:55.980 it really comes from a place of care, um, his care for the American people. He doesn't need to do this.

00:38:02.540 He didn't need to put himself through all this. He didn't need to put himself in a position

00:38:05.740 where there were two assassination attempts, uh, on his life. And, uh, the kind of bold change that

00:38:12.700 we're seeing happening now across the government, um, it's never happened like this under any other

00:38:19.900 president. So I really respect, uh, his boldness and his courage in doing things that sometimes

00:38:26.460 people don't other, don't understand or see what, uh, how it's going to turn out. Those are things we

00:38:33.580 see in you too, boldness, courage, and you share something else with him, which is fearlessly

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00:39:42.120 This whole thing is about your journey with Emma. Yeah. Trying to conceive a baby. Yeah. And

00:39:48.240 I mean, no detail is spared. Yeah. But so it's very personal. It's unusually personal. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:53.680 Did you, did you run it by her first? So the thing was, is, uh, yeah, at first, like, you know,

00:39:59.580 this is the most like male thing, like, but it's, I assume that the reason why we couldn't is because

00:40:04.880 it was her fault. Right. And I talk about it in the special where I'm like, she was really concerned.

00:40:09.220 It was her fault. And I was really concerned. It was her fault. Like we were all really concerned.

00:40:12.580 Obviously her fault. Yeah. Cause like, man, we have this like confidence in our sperm that like,

00:40:17.220 there's no real reason why, but we just know, right. Like every time I've ever had sex with a

00:40:22.040 girl, I was like, Oh my God, this is going to be great. Like, what should we do? How do I,

00:40:26.140 you know, calling the next month? I know she's pregnant guaranteed, uh, which I now know is a waste. 1.00

00:40:30.660 And, uh, once we found out that her ovaries were perfect and my sperm was horrible, 1.00

00:40:34.740 um, it, it actually made it a lot easier for me to talk about. Really? Yeah. Because I think the

00:40:41.040 reason why like anybody who has fertility issues, one, it's very isolating because you're so protective

00:40:46.540 of the person that you love that you don't, a lot of women feel a lot of shame around this.

00:40:50.920 Yep. True. And, uh, at first I, I felt like real shame. I was like, does God not want me to have a

00:40:55.680 child? Like I was like, I didn't understand it. Like, I think I'm like a pretty good person and I'm kind to

00:41:00.100 people and I'm like, why is this happening? Like, what the fuck is going on? And, um, yeah,

00:41:05.220 so I get that. And a lot of women, if they are struggling, they're just like, it's, it, they feel

00:41:09.180 like it's a, I don't feel very stigmatized. Right. And, um, but once she was perfect and I was fucked

00:41:15.440 up, I could get on stage and it was really cathartic to talk about it. And then once I started talking

00:41:20.420 about it, I literally thought that I was like, this was like a one in like 10 million thing. Oh, wow.

00:41:27.120 And then the same thing I started talking about, all my friends start telling me that they're

00:41:30.420 doing IVF. Oh, wow. And like all these people in the audience would hit me up afterwards

00:41:34.800 and be like, oh yeah, you know, same thing happened. And I was like, what the fuck? Is

00:41:37.880 this like the last taboo subject? How did anybody ever get pregnant before IVF? Cause everybody's 1.00

00:41:42.780 doing it. Dude. It is like, it's unbelievable. It's, it's almost like, I was like, does anybody

00:41:50.180 really get abortion? Like, I'd like, it's so hard to get pregnant. Why is this an issue?

00:41:54.700 Like, how often do these athletes have unprotected sex that they have 20 kids? Like, like I couldn't

00:42:02.400 believe it. It was unfathomable. So, um, but then it became like, yeah, there as brutal

00:42:06.860 as it was, there was these kinds of funny moments. That being one of them, just that, that

00:42:10.340 the, the, the humility going into the room with the lady. Oh, we just talked to the audience.

00:42:15.300 You know, Doug came in to say hi to Andrew in the commercial break. And, uh, we were bonding

00:42:19.720 over our shared experience cause he and I did IVF with our kids too. And, uh, Doug joked

00:42:23.400 that after he had to donate the sample first, he said he was going to wear like a red crushed

00:42:28.620 velvet smoking jacket on his way in and on the way out. He was just going to be like,

00:42:32.360 that was fantastic. I was amazing.

00:42:35.120 Yeah. I was always thinking about like, do I make noises in there? Like how uncomfortable

00:42:38.740 do I make it for the other guys at the clinic? Like just screaming random things.

00:42:42.820 Yes. Sesame street.

00:42:44.960 Just something crazy. But yeah, it's like, it was crazy.

00:42:48.720 It was like a walk of shame when you're walking by all the other guys there, everybody's there.

00:42:51.560 Oh God. I know what you're about to do. It's so humbling. You're just sitting in this room.

00:42:56.080 Like all of you are in there. You're like, so why did they make you go in to give the

00:42:59.900 sperm sample? I didn't think it couldn't. I did it from home once. Okay. The whole,

00:43:04.360 I don't even, I haven't even put like a lot of the stuff in it, but like the whole journey

00:43:07.360 was brutal. So the first one I did from home, which was like, I'm in the room. My wife like

00:43:12.020 hands me the thing. Like it's like homework. And she's like, okay, I'll give you 30 minutes.

00:43:15.900 You go do your thing. I'm going to go outside or I'm going to do the dishes. So like I hear her

00:43:20.540 doing the dishes in the background where I'm like being mandated to masturbate. And, uh, I'm like

00:43:25.960 on our bed. Like, I don't think I've ever masturbated on a bed. Like I'm just on our bed

00:43:30.780 and the bed is made perfectly. Like everything is like set up. And I remember at one point,

00:43:35.620 like, I'm just like, Oh, this is like so weird. And I like looked up and the TV was off. So it was

00:43:41.040 just a black screen. So it's a perfect mirror. Oh no. And I was just like, this is the saddest day

00:43:47.080 of my life. I'm sitting Indian style on my bed. We send that sample in, it comes back

00:43:56.640 and it's like, it's, it's not good. And they're like, not only are they not swimming, they're

00:44:01.440 like shaped weird. And I was like, I was like a little defensive. So I was like, well, could

00:44:06.140 that be from like the speed that they hit the cup? Like maybe, you know, it's the blunt

00:44:11.780 force trauma kind of warp them. The flow is just too strong. It was too strong. That's

00:44:16.340 what, that's what it is. And, uh, they're like, no, that's definitely not it. And I was

00:44:20.520 like, okay. And, uh, they go, uh, they go, well, why don't you do this for like a couple

00:44:24.600 months? Wear baggy underwear, ice your balls every single day. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah.

00:44:30.280 Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's a big thing. Um, don't drink anymore. Don't smoke anymore

00:44:34.980 and take these pills and then we'll try it again in like a month or two. And I did that

00:44:40.020 and we tried it again and it got worse. And I was like, why do you think that is? And

00:44:46.920 the doctor was like, we've never seen this before. There's some pride in that. It's gotta

00:44:51.820 be a little bit. I'm setting records. I'm setting records. I told a story one time when Dave Rubin

00:44:55.280 was on, but Doug had the, this, the funniest experience there where, um, they make you ejaculate

00:45:01.620 like 24 hours before the real sample. That's going to be like your future kid.

00:45:06.280 Yeah. Yeah. They want you to clean the house. Yes. It's like, I can't remember if it's 24

00:45:09.500 or 48 hours before it. Yeah. Okay. So, but they want it to be 48 and they don't really

00:45:15.840 want it to be 46 or 44 because you need the amount of time to build up the new batch.

00:45:20.020 Yes. So like timing does matter. It just so happened that on one of ours, we were visiting

00:45:24.980 my, my Nana who was literally like 90 at the time and we were playing dominoes and

00:45:31.540 I was like, Oh, Doug, it's time. He was like, what? I'm like, you got to go in there right

00:45:36.960 now. My poor husband. And you know, it was like one of these older persons homes where 1.00

00:45:41.620 like there's five inches between the bottom of the door and the end of ground. He can

00:45:45.960 hear every piece of conversation. Dominoes, like your palm in the double five, you know,

00:45:51.060 and Doug's in there behind the door. So is he. Horrible, poor Doug. This is the thing

00:45:58.480 about this. Do what you got to do. It's a, it's the, this, the journey is brutal when

00:46:02.220 you're in it is the hardest thing that you'll go through in your life. Sorry, definitely

00:46:05.520 the hardest thing we went through. And, um, but after the fact it is hysterical. Yes.

00:46:12.640 Like there's. Can't believe what you've been through. Yeah. And like, there are so many

00:46:16.260 of these things that are so funny. And the beautiful thing about having a child is you get this

00:46:20.000 like amnesia for what you went through to get there. And I think that's actually kind

00:46:24.280 of like built into our DNA so that we keep making them. I totally agree. You know, like

00:46:28.020 same women have been saying that for eons because of the pain of labor and it's so, you know, 0.75

00:46:33.240 devastating. And then you forget all about it. I never had labor because I had three C-sections,

00:46:38.400 but my friends tell me it's extremely painful. Oh, my, Emma was in there for 24 hours and then

00:46:43.140 she had the C-section because the, uh, the baby's heart rate dropped. Oh God, that's scary.

00:46:46.840 Yeah. The whole thing is, is, is terrible. When you were doing the shots before to prepare

00:46:51.380 for the IVF, like, did you have any fun, uh, mood swings or anything? Oh yeah. I, I was

00:46:56.560 actually fine. I did not have weird mood swings, but it was very funny because Doug does not

00:47:01.980 like he, his mom got this terrible cut in her leg and it was so brutal. And Doug was right

00:47:07.300 there. He bandaged it up. He put the medicine on. I was like, I can't take that kind of injury,

00:47:13.340 but you pull out a needle and Doug is one of those like, Oh, so he, so he couldn't get

00:47:18.840 shots, but he had to in the beginning, as it turned out, he didn't have to, but we thought

00:47:22.680 he did. Yeah. Because in the beginning, they really make it up into a thing. Like you got

00:47:26.160 to mix the compound and it's like kind of back in a hard spot to reach. You got to ice

00:47:29.880 the area. Oh my God. Like our future family depends on this. Yeah. And Doug was in a hot,

00:47:35.320 like a cold sweat. And the superintendent of our building at the time, his name was Lance.

00:47:39.600 And they were like, it's very important that your wife have a partner that helps with it. And Doug is

00:47:42.680 like, this is going to be very hard for Lance. But he did it. He did it. He got it through.

00:47:49.880 But honestly, by the third child, you know, he, Doug was no part of it. I was like, I need

00:47:54.360 no ice. I'm good. Boom. We're done. Off to the races. It is crazy that they make you mix

00:47:59.100 it at home. So anybody who's not familiar, they give you these two, I guess, hormonal compounds

00:48:04.480 and you have to put them together in the syringe. In just the right proportions. I'm like,

00:48:10.540 why isn't this done at the lab? And then we just hit it. Like, you don't have to make

00:48:14.360 the Kit Kat, right? Like make the bar and then send it to me. And I remember like watching

00:48:19.120 my wife do these things, making sure it's the right amount. You've got to push a little 1.00

00:48:22.360 out so no air gets in there. Right. Right. So you don't give yourself an air bubble, like

00:48:25.880 life or death. Literally. And she's like, did I push too much out? Will I not get it? Is

00:48:30.580 this, but there, yeah, there was fun. I mean, Emma would get like, it would really get her

00:48:35.540 going. Would she get angry or just overly emotional? Oh, angry. Like, but we didn't

00:48:40.120 know that that was the cause. So like, I remember we got into it at a Japanese restaurant. You

00:48:45.800 don't realize how quiet those restaurants are until you're having like a loud blow up with

00:48:49.780 like, and you know, the only thing interrupting the blow up, cause everybody is already quiet

00:48:54.700 at Japanese restaurant. And then once you have like a verbal altercation, they're really 0.51

00:48:59.640 quiet. Oh, I love when somebody has a fight and I'm nearby. Oh my God. Doug and I, like

00:49:04.220 he'll start talking about it. Be quiet. This is too important to me. I'm going to lock

00:49:06.720 in. Everybody was locked in. They're just slurping Udon and watching us. And the only

00:49:10.460 thing that would interrupt it is like when a new person would walk in and you know, the

00:49:13.520 whole, the whole restaurant has to go. Emma would feel like they were interrupting our 1.00

00:49:21.480 argument. So, so, so we're fighting. Emma goes, are you kidding me? And then back to

00:49:27.160 yelling at me? It was just amazing. Well, weren't you, so you weren't that guy who was

00:49:31.640 like, she's going through a lot. These are just her emotions. I'm just going to, I'm

00:49:35.060 going to let, I'm going to let everything slide. I'm not going to get mad about anything.

00:49:38.060 We didn't know that it was the case. So we didn't know until literally that night I

00:49:43.040 go, Hey, did we do the shot? We did the shot today. Right. And she goes, Oh shit. And 0.97

00:49:47.380 we're walking down and we were on Kenmare Street. That's when you put it together that she's

00:49:50.920 hormonal. And then, and then she was also like, Oh fuck, I guess I'm like really

00:49:55.440 reactive to this. And then from then on, we stopped going to Japanese restaurants.

00:49:59.840 And then how about after she had the baby? Did she have like, cause you're sleep deprived.

00:50:04.260 You're very hormonal. It's the most insane thing. If you're, did you breastfeed? 0.96

00:50:08.040 Yeah. Okay. That is the, I think that this is, I think that is the most difficult part

00:50:15.660 of child rearing is the, the, if you are breastfeeding full time, like meaning every two

00:50:22.540 hours. Yeah. That is insane. Yeah. It's a lot. That is insane. Every two hours. So

00:50:29.160 you're waking up. I don't think a lot of people know this. You're waking up every two

00:50:33.560 hours in the night. You don't get more than an hour of sleep at a time. It's truly like

00:50:37.640 a, like an astronaut training situation. Yeah. No, it's brutal, but then, then it, it lets

00:50:44.480 up a little. When it lets up, it's this beautiful bonding experience that you have with your child.

00:50:48.240 And like, it's something even now, like Emma's still breastfeeding and it's just this thing 0.80

00:50:52.860 that she's like, she doesn't even want to let go of it.

00:50:54.860 Yeah. Well then you get to like the six month mark where the baby can start having like smaller,

00:50:59.060 like a solid food and they're still having breast milk. And you're at the point now where

00:51:03.800 like you're, you're producing the more, more milk than ever. And yet the baby's somewhat

00:51:07.640 getting a little independent and the weight comes shredding off. That's the best moment

00:51:13.380 where you're like, I'm making tons of milk. All these calories are coming off for free.

00:51:18.200 Oh, cause your body is burning calories. But your, your baby doesn't need as much milk as 0.99

00:51:22.440 from you as he needed it five months. Cause now he's starting to eat food, but your body doesn't

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00:52:33.860 started. I hear we have something in common and that is our mutual love for Megan Markle. Yes. I hear

00:52:44.820 you're ready to endorse her for president. I like her now. I've, I've come around on her because I,

00:52:49.980 since I'm a little kid, love con artists. I think they're great. I think they're fun. They're an

00:52:54.120 important part of America and the tapestry of our country. Um, they, to me exude, uh, a kind of

00:53:03.400 effortless humor. They're very funny. Um, and I find her to be a great con artist. One of the great

00:53:10.320 cons of our time, one of the greats, you know, this is someone who came to prominence,

00:53:16.820 marrying into the Royal family, um, claiming they were racist, claiming she wanted to dedicate

00:53:24.180 herself to uplifting, uh, young women around the world and is now, um, selling jam at Target.

00:53:32.780 Yes. That's beautiful. She moved to the richest and whitest area of our country. Yes. You know, 1.00

00:53:39.960 absolutely. And makes honey. There's nothing better than that from where she started to where

00:53:47.740 she is now. And that's what I think a lot of it is. I think a lot of people that claim to be

00:53:52.760 really evolved people who really want to help other people are just trying. She just wants a

00:53:59.320 line of consumer goods. Yeah. That's all she wants. She, we actually give it to her. We just looked this

00:54:03.720 up. So she, there was a soundbite of her saying she really wanted her merch that she's selling to,

00:54:09.960 to be prestige. Yes. Not prestigious. She wanted to be prestige. Yeah. But at like a price point,

00:54:17.100 everyone can afford. Yeah. So I, we looked it up. She's got a raspberry spread under the as ever

00:54:24.060 label. Raspberry spread. You can get it for $14 or you can get it at Walmart under the Smucker's label

00:54:32.420 for $3 and 47 cents. Right. Herbal lemon ginger tea as ever will charge you $12 or you can get

00:54:39.940 it from Yogi for $4 and 46 cents. Shortbread cookie mix as ever will charge you $14. My better

00:54:48.480 batch, which is high end, $7.99. Right. Then there's wildflower honey with honeycomb as ever,

00:54:55.000 $28. Yeah. Amazon, $11. Right. And then there's crepe mix, which you can get from her for $14 or you can

00:55:02.420 get it from new hope mills for $5. Yep. So you tell me whether this person has actually landed

00:55:08.900 the plane. Right. On prestige, but totally affordable. Well, what's brilliant about what

00:55:13.520 she's doing is she knows people want to spend money and spending money makes them feel like they're

00:55:18.020 getting something that's better, even though it might not necessarily be true. Um, and I think it's

00:55:23.640 brilliant. I, I, you can tell when you watch the show, she thinks people out just, we're all animals

00:55:29.760 and that's her view. She just thinks we're all monsters and, and we're all just kind of pigs in

00:55:36.280 the mud and that she's helping us with jam and honey. It's also very weirdly British, isn't it? 1.00

00:55:44.560 Yeah. Well, her little flower sprinkles, her garden. It's kind of oddly British for somebody 0.99

00:55:49.480 who went over there and realized it was just a racist, horrible place. There's a lot of jam and

00:55:55.040 tea and honey. And why is she using all the, like the Royal crown on her stationary? I thought she 0.94

00:55:59.920 hated being a Royal. I thought, I thought she wanted to eschew the Royal life and come back to America. 1.00

00:56:04.520 Well, it seems it's just very interesting and seeing it all happen in real time fills me with just,

00:56:09.900 it, it fills me with a, a record, like a, a, I recognize how, how much of this was the plan

00:56:16.780 the whole time. And you gotta, it's got, you gotta give your hats off to her. It's hard to

00:56:20.340 enhance your brand that quickly. Like get your name out there in a ubiquitous way. No one needs honey

00:56:26.220 right now. No one needs jam. There's not one systemic racist problem that she's, that like no one 0.55

00:56:34.320 needs jam. There's not one person wrongly accused of something or whatever, doesn't have money

00:56:39.820 for a lawyer. It's looking for elderberries or wildflowers or whatever the hell she's talking 1.00

00:56:45.720 about. The only people that are concerned with this stuff are people like she lives in an area

00:56:49.860 in Montecito that's so wealthy. They're not even on earth anymore. And it's a beautiful area. It's

00:56:54.700 great area, but they float around and they have tea and they pick flowers. They live in a fairy tale.

00:57:01.380 She makes sun tea.

00:57:02.600 Yeah.

00:57:02.760 She makes sun tea.

00:57:03.800 Like we all have time to do.

00:57:06.180 Yeah. She just, they kind of sit around in their backyards and they enjoy this and they smell

00:57:10.220 lavender and stuff like that.

00:57:11.840 Yeah.

00:57:12.300 And, uh.

00:57:12.760 It's not how you're living in LA right now?

00:57:14.120 It's not how we're living. No, we're, we're in, we're sitting by our doors with guns.

00:57:20.360 Like normal people.

00:57:21.800 Yeah. We're sitting by the door with a gun waiting for someone to come in.

00:57:25.340 Um, that's how we're living.

00:57:27.740 And, uh.

00:57:28.020 And check the sun tea.

00:57:28.840 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one's making, if, if you have honey in your house, it's, you're

00:57:33.280 using it as a weapon.

00:57:34.280 You don't have a local beekeeper?

00:57:35.640 No, there's no local beekeeper. There's no gardens. They're all burned.

00:57:39.440 They're pulling down a job. Yes.

00:57:40.120 Yeah.

00:57:40.600 Well, I have a treat for you because in addition to her new Netflix show.

00:57:44.600 Yeah.

00:57:45.020 She has launched yet another podcast.

00:57:47.820 Thank God.

00:57:48.380 This one is about.

00:57:49.340 Thank God.

00:57:49.680 Yes. This one is about founders. Um, what's, how does she style it?

00:57:53.920 Is it all female founders? 0.63

00:57:55.360 Yes.

00:57:55.780 Please stop.

00:57:56.280 I think it's all female founders.

00:57:57.580 Is it female founders? Female founders, right? 1.00

00:57:59.940 Confessions of a female founder.

00:58:01.660 Thank God.

00:58:02.300 What are they thinking about these female founders? 1.00

00:58:05.000 Oh, here you go.

00:58:05.700 What are they doing?

00:58:06.460 She starts with herself because she now considers herself a founder.

00:58:09.760 She's a founder and it's hard to find.

00:58:11.800 When you are married to a prince, how do you start a business?

00:58:15.840 That's a real question because the struggle she had to go through being married to a prince

00:58:20.020 and being one of the most famous people in the world.

00:58:22.220 How do you start a business when you're rich and famous?

00:58:24.840 Your castle's too small.

00:58:26.060 It's hard.

00:58:27.040 Your, your grandmother, your, your, your spouse's grandmother doesn't seem to really

00:58:31.520 like you and then dies. 0.82

00:58:32.800 Yeah.

00:58:33.420 I mean, like your one greatest connection is now out.

00:58:35.880 Thank God, because I want to know how this all happened and I want to get into the mind

00:58:40.000 of the female founder.

00:58:40.940 Here we go.

00:58:41.460 Here's, here's this founder discussing, I think.

00:58:43.740 Remember when she pretended to like poor people?

00:58:46.000 That lasted a few weeks.

00:58:47.060 No.

00:58:48.020 Sex workers, I remember that with her inspo messages on the bananas. 0.99

00:58:51.220 Right, right, right, right.

00:58:51.800 Here she is on her new podcast.

00:58:53.160 First, let's be honest.

00:58:55.280 Launching a business, it can be so overwhelming.

00:58:59.020 Even with the best of teams, it'll keep you up at night.

00:59:02.760 For example, a month ago, I was absolutely consumed with packaging.

00:59:12.500 Boxes.

00:59:13.720 It's all I could think about.

00:59:15.380 And I would sit there doing the unboxing in my head.

00:59:18.420 Is there tissue paper?

00:59:19.180 What about the packing peanuts?

00:59:20.120 But they're biodegradable.

00:59:21.000 And where does the sticker go?

00:59:21.840 And hold on.

00:59:22.260 What size the box is going to be?

00:59:23.360 And no, that's not going to fit all the skews.

00:59:24.960 Oh, my gosh.

00:59:26.060 And then someone says, but you don't want to brand the outside of the box because of porch pirates.

00:59:30.020 Had never heard that before.

00:59:31.460 What's a porch pirate? 0.56

00:59:32.780 And then I'm sitting there and I'm like, does any of this actually matter?

00:59:35.920 Of course it matters.

00:59:36.940 It matters at the beginning.

00:59:38.120 But how much does it matter?

00:59:41.140 Oh, my God.

00:59:42.700 Yeah.

00:59:43.020 I mean, it's, well, she's also, you know, she's kept up at night because she's, you know, half the staff quit.

00:59:52.180 That's right.

00:59:52.820 They quit.

00:59:53.280 On any given day.

00:59:54.240 On any given day, the staff will quit because she just, you know, launches into a tirade. 1.00

01:00:01.040 And for whatever reason, they feel unsafe.

01:00:03.820 She's been accused multiple times of being a bullying abuser.

01:00:07.220 Well, she's throwing honey at people's heads and stuff. 1.00

01:00:09.720 So she's kept up at night wondering about what lawsuits will trickle in because of the abusive behavior towards the staff.

01:00:17.180 You're like that.

01:00:18.020 Didn't that sound bite just hit so many of the leftist boxes?

01:00:20.600 Like, are they biodegradable?

01:00:22.160 Yes.

01:00:22.600 And what does the packaging look like?

01:00:23.920 Well, what I like about her, I actually, I've gone the other way now because now that she's coming out as a monster, I like, like, I'm actually on board now.

01:00:33.800 Into it.

01:00:34.240 I'm into it because now, by the way, she's no longer even, there's no longer even an attempt.

01:00:41.620 It's such a thinly veiled attempt to be this conscientious person who, you know, she's really just saying, like, I'm a founder.

01:00:51.180 Yeah.

01:00:51.720 I'm a founder and I'm a big business tycoon and it's tough for me.

01:00:57.220 Can I tell you, she's not the only extremely rich woman who, you know, in her case, it's questionable, but in a lot of these other women's cases, their husbands are multimillionaires or billionaires.

01:01:09.040 And then the women, like, open a charity or, like, give their money to somebody and then they're like, I'm an entrepreneur. 0.51

01:01:15.440 I'm an entrepreneur.

01:01:16.360 It's like, okay.

01:01:16.920 I'm a founder.

01:01:17.580 Look, I appreciate that you gave.

01:01:19.960 I've connected people with jam.

01:01:20.980 Right.

01:01:21.320 Like.

01:01:21.780 Yeah.

01:01:22.220 I see that your husband made billions of dollars.

01:01:24.600 Right.

01:01:24.900 But the fact that you spent some of it.

01:01:26.720 Right.

01:01:27.140 Doesn't make you a founder.

01:01:28.480 Well, it's also she never cared.

01:01:30.300 You know, it was all about, in the beginning, it was all about, like, unwinding the systems of oppression.

01:01:35.520 Yeah.

01:01:36.240 Remember that.

01:01:36.880 That's done, didn't you know?

01:01:38.020 Remember that.

01:01:38.700 She solved that.

01:01:39.340 Remember that.

01:01:39.920 It was like she would go to, like, a third world country and there'd be a bunch of kids dancing and she'd take a photo with them.

01:01:45.980 And now it seems much more about, like, she's looking at, like, Gwyneth Paltrow, what Gwyneth Paltrow did with her store.

01:01:52.480 Yes.

01:01:52.960 Goop or whatever it's called.

01:01:54.000 I think it's Goop.

01:01:54.620 Yeah, Goop.

01:01:55.160 Yeah.

01:01:55.460 And I think she's looking at that and going, that's what she wants to be.

01:01:57.360 She wants to be Martha Stewart. 1.00

01:01:58.540 Yeah.

01:01:59.040 Although what I found out after the fact was she launched her show with showing you how to make this one recipe.

01:02:05.380 It's like one pot pasta.

01:02:06.920 Yeah.

01:02:07.040 You make it on the stove.

01:02:08.260 And then everybody flooded Twitter with the fact that that apparently is a Martha Stewart recipe. 0.99

01:02:14.280 Sure.

01:02:14.600 That's apparently very well known in Martha Stewart land.

01:02:16.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:17.360 So even the inaugural episode is cheating off of somebody else's recipes.

01:02:21.340 Well, I mean, you've got to hand it to her.

01:02:23.460 She knows that we don't have a memory.

01:02:26.260 Yes, it's true.

01:02:27.000 The country doesn't have a memory.

01:02:28.640 We have a fatally short memory.

01:02:31.160 And we're kind of tolerant of however people want to reintroduce themselves in the moment.

01:02:35.760 Yes.

01:02:36.200 So she understands America.

01:02:37.660 I didn't know.

01:02:38.520 Better than I do or maybe you do because she gets it.

01:02:42.740 We love the huckster.

01:02:44.180 We root for the huckster.

01:02:45.520 Yes.

01:02:45.900 We root for kind of the criminal sometimes.

01:02:48.320 And she's kind of assuming that role of going, this is who I am today.

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01:04:33.360 We've got to talk about Bill Belichick.

01:04:40.000 You ripped him.

01:04:40.900 Okay, I mean, I thought it was elder abuse.

01:04:43.580 I like, honestly, what I saw there was Dr. Jill.

01:04:45.820 I had Dr. Jill vibes.

01:04:47.300 This overly aggressive younger partner who's in this, like, apparently, he looked infirm to me,

01:04:53.580 the way he was answering those questions.

01:04:55.540 Like, man, who's being taken advantage of.

01:04:58.120 And all I could think was his family needs to do an intervention and get this woman off of his back. 1.00

01:05:01.420 But can you set the stage for us on, like, what's happening with this guy?

01:05:04.540 I'll start by saying I am a diehard New England Patriots fan.

01:05:08.020 Yeah, you're from Boston.

01:05:09.400 Diehard.

01:05:10.200 I love Bill Belichick.

01:05:11.540 He's like my guy.

01:05:12.480 He's brought so many championships.

01:05:13.660 I know him personally.

01:05:15.260 He lives on Nantucket.

01:05:16.660 I live on Nantucket.

01:05:17.800 I've met Jordan.

01:05:18.980 So it's a very awkward thing to see.

01:05:21.360 I also watch that show, CBS Sunday Morning, with the interview.

01:05:24.660 It's like my feel-good show.

01:05:26.020 I just like it.

01:05:26.940 I like nature.

01:05:28.320 There's some politics, whatever.

01:05:29.680 But for the most part, that is a drink your coffee, eat your bagel, feel-good show.

01:05:35.500 So I was not expecting this interview.

01:05:37.600 I was squirming.

01:05:39.320 I don't know what to expect.

01:05:40.820 I don't know what to think about it.

01:05:42.520 It certainly was awkward.

01:05:45.840 I've heard people say, you know, is she taking advantage of him?

01:05:50.220 Well, he's taking advantage of her.

01:05:51.400 He's sleeping with a very attractive young girl, 50 years younger.

01:05:54.640 I don't know why she's so involved. 0.95

01:05:58.260 Like, I really don't.

01:06:00.460 I've met her.

01:06:01.560 She's nice enough.

01:06:02.840 She's running the whole show. 0.99

01:06:04.240 I've known that a couple months ago.

01:06:06.180 How so?

01:06:06.680 Like, every piece of Bill Belichick business goes through her.

01:06:11.640 Like, she is basically – she would act – like, if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship,

01:06:19.080 and that's his PR manager –

01:06:21.640 Or like an agent.

01:06:22.380 Yeah, nobody's blinking at that.

01:06:24.160 Like, that happens, I'm sure, a lot with celebs who are not going to talk about it.

01:06:27.560 Now, you combine it with Bill Belichick, who's gruff with the media

01:06:30.520 and generally always handles himself, it's just a very awkward situation.

01:06:34.740 The age gap is huge, clearly, but she runs the show.

01:06:37.840 There's rumors.

01:06:38.680 Hard Knocks for HBO was supposed to do North Carolina.

01:06:42.220 She shut that down.

01:06:44.720 That's where he's the coach now.

01:06:45.960 Yeah, he's the coach there.

01:06:47.000 So it's just a – it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy

01:06:56.240 but was always just straightforward, no time for the media,

01:06:59.440 now having his life run by a 25-year-old.

01:07:02.560 It certainly is eye-opening for a guy like me.

01:07:05.580 I also know I'm going to run into probably them in Nantucket

01:07:09.520 and I'm going to be carrying my watermelon out of Stop and Shop,

01:07:12.100 and I don't want it to be an awkward conversation.

01:07:14.340 She's playing it all on me.

01:07:15.260 Yeah.

01:07:15.540 Playing it all on me.

01:07:15.900 But it went super viral.

01:07:17.720 I mean, it's all anybody's talking about.

01:07:19.960 It's all – because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan,

01:07:24.960 Patriot fan, everybody thought of Bill Belichick.

01:07:27.840 So explain that to me because we watch – I come into this like at a left field.

01:07:31.660 I know who he is, of course.

01:07:33.140 Even I know who Bill Belichick is.

01:07:34.300 He's the greatest coach of all time.

01:07:35.420 But I don't follow his – I didn't know about the girlfriend and all that.

01:07:38.760 To me, he looked out of it.

01:07:42.380 Like he seemed confused.

01:07:43.920 But I've never, ever seen him give an interview.

01:07:46.420 Yeah, so I've seen a lot of people like he's wearing a holy sweatshirt.

01:07:48.940 That's what he does.

01:07:49.860 Like that is his look.

01:07:51.500 Does he talk like that?

01:07:52.600 Like does he look confused generally?

01:07:54.700 He generally, if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles.

01:07:58.180 He says, I'm not going to answer that.

01:07:59.480 He's famous for not answering questions.

01:08:01.460 He's never media savvy.

01:08:03.260 Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing,

01:08:06.720 seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years.

01:08:10.480 If she wasn't there, I would anticipate him just being like,

01:08:15.200 I'm not going to answer it.

01:08:16.140 He's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest in.

01:08:20.940 He just doesn't care for the media or what they think.

01:08:23.520 The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably like,

01:08:26.340 I don't care what people think about me.

01:08:28.200 And clearly he doesn't.

01:08:29.260 But I've never seen him defer to anybody.

01:08:34.540 Like that is the most shocking.

01:08:36.500 Like if someone else is speaking for him, that never happens.

01:08:39.940 He speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly

01:08:43.380 and is always like a general in the commander of the room, really.

01:08:48.360 So to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking.

01:08:56.580 Most of the audience has probably seen the clip by now,

01:08:58.500 but just in case they haven't, let's play it for them.

01:08:59.940 Let's play the one where she interrupts.

01:09:01.440 This is Bill Belichick on CBS This Morning with anchor Tony Dokopoul

01:09:05.440 and his 24-year-old girlfriend, who's 49 years younger than he is,

01:09:11.800 interrupting the interview.

01:09:12.960 Watch.

01:09:13.860 The other change for Belichick is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson,

01:09:18.920 his creative muse, as he writes in his book.

01:09:22.620 Make sure that that's the...

01:09:24.100 Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.

01:09:27.540 You have Jordan right over there. 0.61

01:09:30.740 Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.

01:09:33.580 They've got an opinion about your private life.

01:09:35.380 It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.

01:09:38.540 How do you deal with that?

01:09:40.540 I've never been too worried about what everybody else thinks.

01:09:43.260 Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

01:09:46.460 How did you guys meet?

01:09:47.680 That's the truth.

01:09:48.260 I'm not talking about this.

01:09:49.920 No?

01:09:50.540 No.

01:09:51.260 It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on.

01:09:56.320 Okay, so now she's... 1.00

01:09:57.940 How did you meet?

01:09:59.160 And she interjects, not commenting about this.

01:10:01.360 And there are reports that she actually interjected multiple times.

01:10:04.780 CBS only chose to show the one just to give the audience a true sense of how this thing went down.

01:10:10.220 And it's about the book.

01:10:11.120 And to CBS's defense, that quote that she is the muse is in the book.

01:10:17.440 It's in the book.

01:10:17.940 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:18.800 So now this fight started unfolding online.

01:10:22.640 This is via the Daily Mail involving Belichick's daughter-in-law.

01:10:26.300 She's married to his son.

01:10:27.840 And her name is Jennifer.

01:10:29.380 She's married to his son, Steve Belichick.

01:10:32.780 Some people were defending Jordan, the girlfriend.

01:10:36.080 For example, somebody posted...

01:10:39.860 Oh, former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman.

01:10:42.060 Saw that.

01:10:42.580 You know him?

01:10:43.020 Yep.

01:10:43.440 Stuck up for her, saying she was merely acting how any PR person would.

01:10:47.760 Comedian Nikki Glaser also defended Hudson, saying 100%.

01:10:51.380 She's acting as his publicist.

01:10:53.660 Publicists do this during interviews.

01:10:55.620 People are out for blood.

01:10:57.320 And first of all, I'll tell you what Jennifer, the daughter-in-law, said.

01:10:59.680 But I have done countless interviews.

01:11:03.200 Countless.

01:11:03.560 I've both given as the subject of them and done, conducted.

01:11:07.780 Literally has this...

01:11:08.640 Never.

01:11:09.120 I've never seen this happen.

01:11:10.320 Never.

01:11:11.340 Right.

01:11:11.640 The PR people will come to you before the interview, and they will beg you not to cover

01:11:17.480 this.

01:11:17.600 Or ask after for it to be cut.

01:11:19.400 Yes, exactly.

01:11:20.300 That's their job.

01:11:21.240 As a journalist, and Tony Dokopoul is a journalist, you would say, thank you for your input.

01:11:27.000 That's it.

01:11:27.480 You would never make a promise, ever.

01:11:29.120 It's literally considered unethical to say, I won't ask about that.

01:11:32.700 You know, at most I've ever heard somebody say is, we can't make you any promises, but

01:11:37.060 you know, we're not that interested in that subject.

01:11:39.300 Like a wink and a nod.

01:11:40.220 But never, never has a PR person ever interviewed, interjected into an interview like that.

01:11:46.040 In the middle of it.

01:11:46.880 It's very unusual.

01:11:47.580 No, we get people asking, if someone doesn't want to talk about it, we generally want,

01:11:50.200 because people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about, so we

01:11:54.260 won't do it.

01:11:55.240 It's strange.

01:11:56.080 I don't agree with that.

01:11:57.340 It was strange.

01:11:58.160 It's different rules if it's like a host, you know what I mean?

01:12:00.540 If you're sitting to somebody who doesn't consider themselves a journalist, very different.

01:12:03.080 And by the way, this is how talk shows get away with it all the time.

01:12:05.440 I've been asked to go on a bunch of talk shows, including Tamron Halls, like five years

01:12:09.780 ago, and her executive producer said, we'll give you all the questions in advance.

01:12:13.520 I'm like, I'm not doing that.

01:12:14.780 I felt like I don't want that.

01:12:16.180 Yeah, right.

01:12:16.640 So she got away with it because they consider that a talk show, but she's not, I guess,

01:12:20.760 calling herself a journalist anymore, at least wasn't for that show.

01:12:23.340 Okay.

01:12:23.820 So then Jennifer, Belichick's daughter-in-law-

01:12:26.180 I'm dying to hear this.

01:12:26.840 Weighs in and says, publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm on, storm

01:12:33.880 off set, delaying an interview.

01:12:36.700 Yeah.

01:12:37.200 So I know them too.

01:12:38.140 I, this is all like, uh, and that probably tells you everything you need to know about

01:12:42.460 how the family, and that's natural.

01:12:44.200 There's a story that came out in the New York post.

01:12:46.360 I think yesterday that she accumulated like $10 million of real estate very quickly.

01:12:50.680 So I'm sure the family based on that quote is a little like, what is going on here?

01:12:55.180 And it's just, this is a guy that is not a pushover.

01:12:58.660 He has built his reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular

01:13:05.280 and detail oriented.

01:13:06.640 So it's just very strange to see.

01:13:09.220 He's the guy Tim Walsh was trying to convince us he was.

01:13:12.700 No jazz hands.

01:13:13.700 Yeah.

01:13:14.560 Football.

01:13:15.300 I don't even know if even he was the guy.

01:13:17.920 Man.

01:13:18.280 Yeah.

01:13:18.540 He was trying to, I think, be more like a gronk guy, but who knows? 0.98

01:13:22.400 Well, there's more.

01:13:24.040 So he, you know about this because I saw you commented on it.

01:13:27.040 So Bill Belichick posted a statement on the UNC, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

01:13:35.100 is where he coaches, right?

01:13:36.360 Chapel Hill.

01:13:36.860 Yep.

01:13:37.000 And he wrote as follows.

01:13:39.320 I agreed to speak with CBS Sunday morning to promote my new book, The Art of Winning.

01:13:43.540 Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist.

01:13:46.840 So he's not even saying he told Tony Dokopoul or the CBS publicist.

01:13:50.260 I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon & Schuster that any promotional interviews

01:13:55.280 I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book.

01:13:58.600 Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored during the interview.

01:14:01.580 I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced, and I repeatedly expressed to

01:14:05.480 the reporter, Tony Dokopoul, and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered

01:14:09.360 on the book.

01:14:10.300 After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional

01:14:13.560 relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion.

01:14:16.620 She was not deflecting any specific question or topic.

01:14:19.380 I'm sorry, Bill, but she was, but was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed

01:14:23.500 on track.

01:14:24.380 Some of the clips made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met,

01:14:26.880 but we've been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm Beach in 2021,

01:14:30.980 and goes on for them saying these are just selectively edited clips, suggested a false

01:14:36.480 narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true.

01:14:41.020 Yeah, I'm like white knuckling the table.

01:14:42.700 Uh, in my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him, there's roughly

01:14:53.300 0% chance he wrote that, but he just, he just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks

01:14:59.580 about him.

01:15:00.320 So to go write that, that my guess would be Jordan wrote that the fact it is on the North

01:15:05.900 Carolina website is insane. 0.62

01:15:08.400 Right.

01:15:08.700 Uh, it's just insane.

01:15:10.800 Um, it's shocking again, it it's, I'm speaking to all Patriot fans, Boston people, this guy,

01:15:18.100 like if you could have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world.

01:15:23.400 It's just so strange in this long email, crazy, the public statement crazy, but I, I'm not even

01:15:29.880 sure he knows that was written.

01:15:32.700 You're right.

01:15:33.380 Like he may not.

01:15:34.340 I saw a clip of you online.

01:15:37.780 I don't even know the podcast.

01:15:39.000 Forgive me.

01:15:39.380 You'll tell us what it is, but I loved it so much.

01:15:42.580 I wanted you to say it here and expand on it.

01:15:45.720 Here it is.

01:15:46.380 Watch.

01:15:47.120 Women want to be able, they want to be taken care of. 1.00

01:15:49.480 I know this is like super provocative, but like deep down, they want a man to be able

01:15:53.120 to provide for them financially.

01:15:54.980 Should a man pay on the first date? 0.70

01:15:56.420 A hundred percent.

01:15:57.140 Like what kind of a wuss beta male is splitting the check, but like, who are you?

01:16:02.360 It's like, I'm just sorry.

01:16:03.320 It's so, I would go into debt and like scrub dishes before a woman. 1.00

01:16:08.620 I split the check quite a lot.

01:16:11.540 So I, I'm sorry.

01:16:12.840 I don't mean to offend you.

01:16:14.100 You guys are great.

01:16:14.900 I, that's incomprehensible to me.

01:16:16.580 I think that's, to me, I thought it was a great financial decision.

01:16:19.460 I've just, okay.

01:16:19.920 So from your prism, I totally get that.

01:16:21.700 And like, you have a really good financial discipline.

01:16:24.280 I'm sorry.

01:16:25.080 Like I, I, I would be so humiliated.

01:16:28.520 If I, I, I, I, I find that to be like the greatest beta male, like humiliation.

01:16:34.680 To save money?

01:16:35.860 No, no.

01:16:36.340 To like the idea that a woman that you're trying to court. 0.90

01:16:40.520 Now, if it's like a friend thing or as a first date, you don't even know if she's like

01:16:44.520 the quality.

01:16:45.120 It does not matter.

01:16:46.020 I'm sorry.

01:16:46.700 I would say, by the way, that money you save is not worth the honor that you compromise.

01:16:50.780 It is such a big deal.

01:16:52.980 It's a, it's a massive deal.

01:16:56.020 I love everything you said.

01:16:59.560 Please explain what was happening there and who that was.

01:17:02.260 Well, so first of all, those were, those are two great guys.

01:17:05.220 I don't remember their names.

01:17:06.220 Unfortunately, it's from the iced coffee hour podcast.

01:17:08.260 So at least I got their show, right?

01:17:09.960 They were really sweet.

01:17:10.760 They came to Phoenix.

01:17:11.640 They, they brought their mobile studio.

01:17:14.080 They're up and coming in the podcast world, which I have a soft spot for as I'm sure you

01:17:19.260 do, Megan.

01:17:19.540 They were really great, right?

01:17:20.780 And they were, they, so they asked this question and they were, he was just so terribly wrong

01:17:25.020 on this.

01:17:25.560 And what was so interesting, I have multiple takes on this.

01:17:28.480 The first of which is that the comments I got, the video went super viral, right?

01:17:32.960 It got tens of millions of views.

01:17:34.580 The comments from the women were so overwhelming.

01:17:39.520 Yes.

01:17:40.520 Thank you.

01:17:41.320 We need more of this.

01:17:42.680 Why don't men do this anymore?

01:17:44.400 And then from the men, it's like, Charlie is wrong.

01:17:47.320 Like women aren't worth it. 1.00

01:17:48.840 Now, let me just say, hold on.

01:17:49.860 Let me just take a whole recalibration.

01:17:51.560 Now, there were some men that agreed, but overwhelmingly the women were the ones that were driving this 0.92

01:17:55.180 video, which is unique because that's not always the case for Charlie Kirk videos.

01:17:58.540 Usually it's the opposite, but it's good.

01:18:00.120 Listen, a man needs to demonstrate leadership and the capacity to provide early on.

01:18:07.800 That doesn't mean that you end up have to have that role when you up having a marriage, but

01:18:12.040 from the outset, what it means to be a man is to take directive, to be leadership, to be,

01:18:17.360 to have the protector of the family.

01:18:19.960 And not to mention the, the young lady that is there deep down, she wants to show that

01:18:28.040 when all the crap hits the fan, the man can take care of her and that he will do the alpha

01:18:33.060 move and that he's not going to split the check.

01:18:35.520 And there's also a, I didn't mention this in the video.

01:18:37.500 So I'll say this here, Megan, it filters out in gratitude.

01:18:42.200 It filters out the character of the person you are courting.

01:18:46.460 I was shocked.

01:18:48.460 I learned this, that so many men came to me and they said, Charlie, when I pay for a lot

01:18:53.600 of the first dates, the women never say thank you.

01:18:55.800 I said, ah, yet another good reason to pay on the first date because you learn as much

01:19:02.180 about her as she is learning about you.

01:19:05.380 And I asked a group of women, a hundred women, I said, appealing or unappealing, attractive 0.99

01:19:11.500 or unattractive.

01:19:12.320 The man on the first date pays the check without you even knowing and goes to the mater

01:19:16.660 D and hands the credit card while he goes to the bathroom.

01:19:18.820 They said, it's a beyond a turnout.

01:19:22.140 I said, so for men, I mean, I, for men, you're talking about a way that you could advantage

01:19:28.020 yourself.

01:19:28.460 Now they say, well, what if the date didn't go well?

01:19:30.540 Still does not matter.

01:19:31.580 What if you think that it will never go anywhere?

01:19:33.320 Still does not matter.

01:19:34.440 You have to, you have a role to play and on a date, the woman is there to be courted by 1.00

01:19:41.140 you.

01:19:41.820 That is the way this works, right?

01:19:43.440 You are the one that is hosting.

01:19:45.440 You are the one that is hospitable.

01:19:47.920 And I think a breakdown of that has been so destructive, but to complete the point, so

01:19:53.740 many of the men that pay for it, they find out a lot about the women. 0.89

01:19:57.520 And so I could go endlessly about this, Megan, but I think I learned about that.

01:20:02.200 This was happening by the way, in this podcast afterwards, I said, are you telling me that

01:20:06.240 that men aren't paying for everything on the first date? 0.69

01:20:08.480 They said, oh yeah, all the time that we're splitting it.

01:20:10.740 I say, no wonder why male female relations have fallen down so much. 1.00

01:20:14.520 We need men to be men again.

01:20:16.040 We need to raise our sons to be men of honor, of character and leadership to look after the

01:20:21.280 women in their lives, to say that, that women are not just beautiful, but they're honorable 1.00

01:20:26.220 and they're sacred and that we provide for our wives and that we honor our mothers and

01:20:30.340 that we protect our sisters.

01:20:32.260 That's the men that we want to raise in our country.

01:20:34.720 And we've gotten away from that.

01:20:36.360 Oh, I love it.

01:20:37.640 Right on.

01:20:38.340 I agree with every word.

01:20:39.700 Shoot it into my veins, as they say.

01:20:42.180 A shout out to the podcast there.

01:20:44.520 It is hosted by Graham Stephan and Jack Selby.

01:20:48.400 Sorry.

01:20:48.860 They explore very nice guys that were so wrong on that, but they were sweet.

01:20:52.720 Yeah, well, totally.

01:20:53.900 And I'll tell you, I can relate to that even as a working woman who obviously can support

01:20:58.700 herself.

01:20:59.260 But when Doug and I met and I was still working, I was at Fox News.

01:21:03.520 I was in my infancy at Fox News.

01:21:05.780 He was making a lot more money than I was and he was running his own company.

01:21:10.480 And I mean, if he had actually suggested that we split the bill or that I pay, he would have

01:21:16.940 been out the window in a New York second.

01:21:19.440 I mean, it wouldn't have even been a consideration.

01:21:21.640 It was clear that he was taking care of me in that way.

01:21:24.580 We both understood it.

01:21:25.840 And then eventually, in the course of our relationship, just because media is what it is, I wound up

01:21:29.840 earning more than Doug just because, you know, that's how it is.

01:21:33.920 But still, he takes care of me.

01:21:35.720 Still, he's in the alpha role in our personal life.

01:21:38.720 And I'm more in the beta role in our personal life, which I love.

01:21:42.400 That turns me on.

01:21:43.500 Like, if it were something else, I don't think it would work.

01:21:46.500 And I don't think people understand that.

01:21:48.360 That's true, I think, universally for 99% of women, whether they're working women or

01:21:52.840 not working women or women who work in the home, et cetera, they do want to be taken care 0.57

01:21:57.700 of.

01:21:57.900 It's biological.

01:21:59.500 And they want to take care of their men in different ways, too. 0.80

01:22:02.200 Yes, and also, this is very important, that the man, if he is not providing or if he is

01:22:10.940 not productive, then something happens to men that's really hard for us to sometimes

01:22:16.100 put to words, but the statistics show it.

01:22:19.360 They kind of get emasculated.

01:22:21.080 They get into pornography.

01:22:22.320 They gain a bunch of weight.

01:22:23.840 Where it is best for a man to have pressure. 0.70

01:22:28.500 Men succeed under pressure.

01:22:30.500 And so many young men are without pressure.

01:22:33.320 And sometimes you go on a first date, you know what?

01:22:35.500 You have to have the pressure to provide on that first date.

01:22:38.880 So many young men are in a pressure-free environment.

01:22:41.540 What does that mean?

01:22:42.480 They don't have to provide for themselves.

01:22:43.760 They don't have to provide for others.

01:22:44.880 They don't have to show up.

01:22:45.680 So when all of a sudden, pressure makes the man, where you have to show up at 5 a.m.

01:22:50.080 for work, that you have to make enough money to pay for rent.

01:22:52.500 And then, yes, you also have to provide for a family.

01:22:54.640 And I could say this as a married man with two kids.

01:22:56.960 Something happens, the way God wired us once you get married with kids, where you just

01:23:01.300 figure it out.

01:23:02.600 And you're like, I'll take a second job.

01:23:04.880 I'll work all night.

01:23:06.340 I'm going to ask the boss for a raise.

01:23:08.620 I'm going to come up with a new idea.

01:23:10.220 Because all of a sudden, you feel this biological need that I have to feed these kids.

01:23:16.300 And it sometimes happens subconsciously.

01:23:19.880 But it's so important.

01:23:21.280 And the same thing happens, by the way, for moms, right?

01:23:24.300 They are like, we've got to get the house organized, right?

01:23:26.740 We have to make sure it's clean.

01:23:27.920 We've got to make sure the meals.

01:23:28.740 It's the same sort of thing.

01:23:29.820 And they always can't put words to it.

01:23:31.580 But for the man, it gives them purpose in their work.

01:23:35.420 It gives them satisfaction.

01:23:37.420 Like, OK, it was a rough day at work.

01:23:39.080 But I came home.

01:23:39.800 And these kids are fed.

01:23:40.820 And they can go to school.

01:23:41.680 And we live in a nice neighborhood.

01:23:43.120 And it gives man a sense of contentment and satisfaction that is so missing from modernity

01:23:49.040 with these young men, largely because we've taken them out of this kind of purpose-filled

01:23:53.280 life.

01:23:54.340 And I think, again, I would say, and it's so interesting you said what you said, Megan,

01:23:58.100 that the women that are the prizes, if you split the check with them, there probably will 1.00

01:24:03.580 not be a second date.

01:24:04.860 Oh, hell no.

01:24:05.560 I can.

01:24:06.060 Hell no.

01:24:06.940 And can I say the other thing that you're talking about that I think people need to be

01:24:11.460 reminded of and I think is important is the man should be the pursuer in the early

01:24:16.560 relationship.

01:24:16.980 And frankly, I mean, Doug and I have been married, I don't know, for how many years

01:24:20.280 now?

01:24:20.480 18 years.

01:24:21.280 And he's still pursuing me.

01:24:23.100 He's still not sure where it's going to land.

01:24:25.200 It has to be.

01:24:26.920 It's biologically conditioned.

01:24:29.100 Yes.

01:24:29.340 Men and women are to, for the man to be the pursuer. 0.83

01:24:31.680 He's the lion and you're the gazelle and he's like programmed to run after you.

01:24:37.220 And if you upend that in any way, you're messing with nature, you know?

01:24:41.220 So like men, young men should know you do need to make the phone calls. 0.73

01:24:46.080 Even if she didn't call you back, you have to be the one to text first.

01:24:49.360 It's, it's, it's like a, almost like a reporter going after a source in a way you're subjugated,

01:24:54.140 but you're not actually subjugated.

01:24:55.680 You're doing it because you're the leader in the relationship in this way.

01:24:58.700 And there's nothing wrong with that.

01:24:59.960 It's actually hot and appropriate and part of the game and the turn on.

01:25:04.880 Yes.

01:25:05.620 And if you're a young woman, I have to say this, and you think that it's pervy or weird

01:25:10.000 if a man is pursuing you, you got deep problems.

01:25:13.560 I'm just, I hear this a lot from men.

01:25:15.280 Right. And I, and so young ladies out there are like, Oh, well, I think it's weird if he

01:25:20.140 approaches me at a bar, get over yourself. Like that's nature. That's biological, right?

01:25:25.460 Have enough self-confidence. Be like, I'm not interested. Thank you so much.

01:25:28.980 Right. Don't go out alone. If you feel unsafe. And you talk about this all the time, right, Megan?

01:25:33.860 But what has happened is this hostility. And I think men are overcompensating, but men have just

01:25:39.120 retreated. They're like, forget it. We're done. You don't want to talk to us. You're going to

01:25:42.720 use as a sexual harassment. I don't think that's the right reaction, but young ladies in some ways 1.00

01:25:47.820 have unintentionally created this kind of like, Oh, I can't believe that guy at work came up to me

01:25:52.880 and he wanted to talk to me and ask me out on a date.

01:25:54.840 And they will wind up alone. They will wind up rigid and alone.

01:25:57.760 Exactly. And they wonder why they're alone. Exactly.

01:25:59.880 And for the women, I think they need to remember, yes, it's his job to sort of be the alpha and pursue 0.60

01:26:04.140 you, but you should stay playful. You can be somewhat elusive, you know, because men like that.

01:26:09.980 Hello, but also playful. Like you have to be signaling back. I'm into you. If not always

01:26:16.180 available to you, that is how it works. Yes. Men want what they cannot have. And they will keep

01:26:23.420 on pursuing what they cannot have. If they think there's a chance. And there's that beautiful thing

01:26:27.600 where it's like, so you're telling me there's a shot. You tell me there's a chance. Right. And so

01:26:32.820 again, that, that for the women out there, you know, exercise class and piety properly understood, 1.00

01:26:39.500 but you know, again, you could be playful. You could be artful with it. Don't, you don't have

01:26:44.180 to be overly flirty, but you definitely can be classy in the way that you engage with it. Right.

01:26:50.220 Because a man will also, you'll, women will find this, a man will improve himself, his income and

01:26:57.000 his character to elevate towards a woman. And so you will find that men will do things that they

01:27:03.640 will not do for anybody else in the pursuit of a woman. They'll stop drinking. They'll stop watching

01:27:08.340 porn. They'll get a second job that like they will not eat for a week. They'll go to the gym. Like

01:27:13.980 it does things to the male mind. And women don't always understand that. So I say, women hold yourself 1.00

01:27:19.520 to such a high standard that the man wants to pursue you, that they have to elevate themselves

01:27:25.000 towards that. That's right. That's exactly. I couldn't agree with this more. I think you and

01:27:29.080 I need to start like a conservative dating service, Charlie, because you and I both know there are so

01:27:34.780 many young conservatives out there who want to be connected with people, but are having a difficult

01:27:39.060 time and maybe don't even know how to behave or what the so-called rules are anymore. But I think we

01:27:45.040 could help them. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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