The Megyn Kelly Show - A DEI Session, Bullying, and a Tragic Suicide： Megyn Kelly Show Weekend Extra ｜ Ep. 606

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.800 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show

00:00:45.000 and this weekend extra episode.

00:00:48.000 And this is a story we felt you needed to hear.

00:00:51.520 My God, it's been haunting me.

00:00:54.660 Oh, a beloved Toronto principal,

00:00:58.780 Richard Bilkstow, tragically died by suicide in July.

00:01:03.020 And what led up to that decision is absolutely chilling.

00:01:08.100 And I would submit was inevitable

00:01:10.520 with the crazy race essentialism,

00:01:14.040 DEI approach that we've been forcing down the throats

00:01:18.980 of people in our country and our neighbors to the north

00:01:22.500 in Canada where this happened.

00:01:24.760 The Free Press, this is the, you know, the media group that Barry Weiss,

00:01:28.580 our friend, started and they've been doing great reporting.

00:01:31.320 They did an in-depth report on Richard and the DEI training sessions

00:01:35.640 that he participated in before his death.

00:01:38.680 That really, they weren't DEI training.

00:01:42.300 They were, they were bully sessions.

00:01:44.640 That's what happened to this man.

00:01:46.080 I believe he was bullied to death.

00:01:48.880 And joining me now with the story is Free Press reporter,

00:01:52.280 Rupa Subramania.

00:01:53.840 Rupa, thank you so much for being here

00:01:55.200 and for this great reporting.

00:01:56.840 It is absolutely chilling.

00:01:58.540 Thanks for having me on the show, Megan.

00:02:02.080 It's a real honor.

00:02:04.080 It's, as I said, it was a matter of time

00:02:07.420 because so many people,

00:02:10.060 like if I went to a DEI training,

00:02:11.700 I'd probably be kicked out

00:02:13.400 because the things I'd be saying would be unacceptable.

00:02:17.580 People who are of the left

00:02:19.240 feel the need to be accepted

00:02:23.460 by those doing these trainings.

00:02:25.940 And while some are brave enough to push back here or there,

00:02:29.000 they do get made examples of, you know,

00:02:30.940 they wind up being the one that gets example,

00:02:34.400 you know, like, oh no, this is wrong.

00:02:35.820 And it's happened to people,

00:02:36.720 like when I was in the city,

00:02:38.440 they offered this at my daughter's school

00:02:40.060 and another mom came to me.

00:02:42.080 She's a white mom. 1.00

00:02:43.340 And she said the entire time,

00:02:45.200 it was, the white people were shamed.

00:02:47.520 It was all about, you know,

00:02:48.460 it was very anti-white

00:02:49.500 and about how the country's, you know,

00:02:51.600 white nationalist and so on and so forth.

00:02:53.140 And you were not allowed to speak.

00:02:54.780 Like they told the white people to be quiet

00:02:56.100 for the entire training for two days.

00:02:57.720 And finally, at the end of the training

00:03:00.020 on the second day,

00:03:01.280 the white people were allowed to say something

00:03:02.920 and she gently, very gently pushed back saying,

00:03:05.860 you know, I don't think the country's that racist. 0.94

00:03:08.160 We elected a black president, 0.97

00:03:09.340 you know, whatever. 1.00

00:03:09.740 And they just, the shit storm 1.00

00:03:12.100 that rained down on her, 1.00

00:03:14.020 they made an example of her

00:03:15.520 so that nobody else would speak out.

00:03:17.100 So that brings me to your story.

00:03:19.060 When I read it, it sounded very familiar to me.

00:03:22.000 This one gentleman pushed back gently

00:03:24.380 on some of the narrative

00:03:26.340 that was being spewed in his DEI training.

00:03:29.320 And the pile on that then happened to him

00:03:32.360 was grossly unfair.

00:03:34.460 So take us to the beginning

00:03:35.960 of Richard Bilkstow's story.

00:03:38.620 Thanks, Megan.

00:03:39.980 Richard Bilkstow,

00:03:41.380 his passion was always education.

00:03:44.400 He loved teaching and mentoring

00:03:46.580 and especially kids who came

00:03:49.180 from the most marginalized

00:03:50.800 and underprivileged backgrounds.

00:03:52.980 And he really felt that he could make a difference

00:03:55.080 to a young person's life.

00:03:57.040 And, you know, not all of us get to live our dreams,

00:03:59.800 but he actually got to live his dream of teaching.

00:04:02.640 He was a lifelong educator.

00:04:04.880 He was loved by his students

00:04:07.320 and admired by his colleagues,

00:04:09.600 his peers and school board officials.

00:04:12.280 And he was recognized as a leader

00:04:14.880 in adult education here in the province of Ontario,

00:04:18.180 where I live and where Richard Bilkstow lived.

00:04:21.060 And that was his expertise,

00:04:23.040 teaching young adults in the province.

00:04:25.820 He retired in 2019,

00:04:29.060 but he loved teaching so much

00:04:32.040 that he worked as a supply principal

00:04:35.880 at various adult learning centers.

00:04:39.380 And he did this not because he needed the money,

00:04:42.420 but he truly loved what he did.

00:04:45.160 And in 2020, Richard Bilkstow was hired

00:04:49.120 as a principal at an adult learning center in Toronto.

00:04:52.260 His work was so appreciated

00:04:55.600 that school board officials wanted him back

00:04:58.720 for the fall of 2021.

00:05:00.780 So he signed a new contract in April of that year.

00:05:04.620 That's when his life really began to fall apart

00:05:07.280 because of this one incident

00:05:09.020 that happened at a DI training session.

00:05:12.120 Now, the Toronto District School Board,

00:05:13.800 which is the country's largest school board,

00:05:15.880 decided to run an equity, diversity,

00:05:19.640 and inclusion event.

00:05:20.560 And this was outsourced

00:05:22.600 to a well-known DI consultancy firm in Toronto

00:05:25.460 called the Kojo Institute.

00:05:28.040 And as a principal,

00:05:29.520 Kojo, which is named after,

00:05:32.800 I believe, after its CEO, Kiki Ojo-Thompson.

00:05:37.560 And we'll be coming back to her in a bit

00:05:39.820 because she's an important part of the story, obviously.

00:05:43.800 And as a principal, he was expected to attend.

00:05:47.140 And but it's important to keep in mind here

00:05:49.880 that that's not why he went.

00:05:52.040 And this I've pieced together from people who knew him well,

00:05:56.060 people who were close to him.

00:05:58.020 He was always looking out for opportunities

00:06:01.380 where he could improve himself professionally

00:06:03.300 because he loved what he did so much

00:06:05.940 that he wanted to do his job better.

00:06:09.200 And it's also very important to keep in mind here, Megan,

00:06:12.140 in that Richard was very much on the progressive left.

00:06:16.640 He truly believed in things like diversity,

00:06:19.260 equity, and inclusion. 0.90

00:06:20.680 He was gay. 0.91

00:06:22.120 And the first session begins April 19th, 2021.

00:06:28.340 Goes up with that incident.

00:06:30.360 Nothing, as far as I'm aware, happened there.

00:06:33.780 But it all began at the second training session

00:06:35.980 on April 26th, where Kiki Oja Thompson,

00:06:40.160 the CEO of Kojo Institute,

00:06:42.660 she's running the training session.

00:06:44.800 She makes a claim that Canada is a bastion of white supremacy 0.92

00:06:48.260 and that Black Canadians, African Canadians in Canada 0.97

00:06:54.180 experience racism that is far worse here in Canada

00:06:57.680 than in the U.S.

00:06:59.360 All right, let me stand you by

00:07:00.320 because we have a little bit of that.

00:07:02.100 We've got some soundbites,

00:07:03.200 and I'll play them where appropriate.

00:07:04.460 But here's just a taste of that exact moment

00:07:06.840 that you just referred to in Soundbite One.

00:07:09.480 The racism is, we experience this far worse here than there.

00:07:14.860 So I know that's going to be a hard one

00:07:16.660 to wrap their head around, 0.77

00:07:18.160 but that's the level of white supremacy. 0.95

00:07:20.400 Like Canada's a bastion of white supremacy and colonialism.

00:07:23.500 Like they at least had a fighting posture

00:07:25.820 against at least the monarchy.

00:07:29.200 Here we celebrate the monarchy,

00:07:30.940 the very heart and soul and origins of the colonial structure.

00:07:35.360 Think about that, right?

00:07:36.680 And all that it represents.

00:07:38.340 We hold it dear still.

00:07:42.060 Keep going.

00:07:42.840 Now, Richard had, you know,

00:07:47.340 he had taught in an inner city high school in Buffalo,

00:07:50.380 a school with a large African-American population.

00:07:54.040 And he felt that this claim made by Kiki Oja Thompson

00:07:57.760 needed to be challenged.

00:07:59.180 And he felt that people of color

00:08:00.900 were far more disadvantaged in the U.S. than in Canada.

00:08:04.220 And he puts and he put that view out in the DEI session.

00:08:08.140 He says, look, Canada, we have a lot of problems.

00:08:11.440 We've got that, too, just a bit.

00:08:13.360 And this is pretty bold.

00:08:14.400 I mean, this is bold.

00:08:15.300 But really, it's a guy kind of trying to defend

00:08:17.300 his own country, too, saying, I've been in America.

00:08:20.380 It's way worse there.

00:08:21.700 Like, wait, it's not worse in Canada than it is in America,

00:08:25.000 which, you know, we could debate all day.

00:08:26.840 Who cares?

00:08:27.260 But the point is, this is his point of view.

00:08:28.620 And he's trying to rehabilitate Canada to a bit,

00:08:31.080 to an extent, with this Kiki.

00:08:33.100 And here's a little bit of what he said in top two.

00:08:36.540 I just wanted to make a comment about the Canada-U.S. thing.

00:08:40.340 And I have a little bit of a challenge of it.

00:08:41.980 I did my student teaching in the U.S.

00:08:43.820 and have spent a lot of time in the U.S.

00:08:46.240 And to say here, honestly, that Canada

00:08:49.720 is not a more just society.

00:08:51.300 The United States is, and we talked about facts and figures.

00:08:55.880 I invite everyone here to do some research.

00:08:59.360 And you look at...

00:09:00.100 Yeah, absolutely.

00:09:01.520 And look at things like education.

00:09:03.800 And look how more...

00:09:05.360 You think about a system we have in Ontario,

00:09:07.460 where every student is funded equally.

00:09:09.820 You go to the United States, 0.96

00:09:11.260 they're funded based on their tax base.

00:09:14.200 We have a public education system

00:09:15.860 where everyone is funded the same way.

00:09:17.920 It's not like that in the United States.

00:09:19.280 We have a health care system here

00:09:21.220 where everyone has access to health care.

00:09:23.700 It is not the same way in the United States.

00:09:25.960 So to say, sit here and say, all honesty,

00:09:29.880 we're talking about facts and figures,

00:09:31.640 and to walk into the classroom tomorrow

00:09:33.480 and say, Canada's just as bad as the United States,

00:09:36.980 I think we're doing an incredible disservice to our learners.

00:09:39.220 So it's a perspective from somebody who's lived in both countries

00:09:44.100 that any normal, open-minded person running even a DEI session

00:09:49.560 would say, oh, an interesting point.

00:09:50.980 Let's talk about it.

00:09:52.400 No, that's not how it went.

00:09:54.480 I'll just cut to the next soundbite,

00:09:56.080 and then I'll give it back to you.

00:09:57.500 Here's Kiki's response to what he said,

00:10:00.560 and you'll hear Richard on the back end.

00:10:02.400 Here's how she handled it.

00:10:03.340 So what's fascinating is,

00:10:06.880 and this is why we're in this place that we're in,

00:10:09.940 is that you think,

00:10:11.080 so we're here to talk about anti-black racism, 0.97

00:10:12.640 but you and your whiteness think that you can tell me 0.98

00:10:15.360 what's really going on for black people. 0.94

00:10:17.660 Like, is that what you're doing?

00:10:19.140 Because I think that's what you're doing,

00:10:20.340 but I'm not sure.

00:10:21.140 So I'm going to leave you space

00:10:22.480 to tell me what you're doing right now.

00:10:26.160 Exactly.

00:10:26.600 I just wanted to make the point.

00:10:27.600 You were talking about the United States,

00:10:28.980 and I just wanted to do a comparison.

00:10:31.280 And as I said, you talked about facts and figures

00:10:33.680 and, you know, listening to the facts and figures.

00:10:37.220 And I think if everyone here looks at the facts and figures

00:10:39.780 and all kinds of, all kinds of studies,

00:10:42.520 and you'll see we're a far more just society.

00:10:48.780 Okay.

00:10:49.240 Can I just say this, Rupa?

00:10:50.440 I'm, this is like, I hate the term, but it does work.

00:10:53.720 It's triggering for me because at my,

00:10:57.480 we pulled our kids out of these New York City schools

00:10:59.360 that were super woke.

00:11:00.220 I mentioned my daughters, but my son's was over,

00:11:04.440 I mean, just over the top on all this stuff,

00:11:06.800 race, gender, all of it.

00:11:08.460 And they were, they had a racial presentation there

00:11:12.500 at our son's school that walked you through

00:11:15.940 how you're a racist. 0.78

00:11:18.400 If in response to a person of color 0.89

00:11:20.560 telling you you're a racist or that America's racist,

00:11:23.460 if your first response is to question it in any way, 0.92

00:11:27.100 that's further evidence of your racism,

00:11:29.200 totally right out of the Robin DiAngelo handbook.

00:11:31.960 And this was presented to the parents at the school

00:11:34.460 in a slideshow by their new head of DEI.

00:11:36.900 As fact, if you have any resistance to the notion

00:11:40.100 that America's racist or you're racist as a white person, 0.87

00:11:43.480 further evidence of your racism, 0.98

00:11:45.360 and that's just your denial,

00:11:46.540 and you're working through like a 10 step program

00:11:49.060 to where finally,

00:11:50.140 if you get beaten over the head with it enough, 0.99

00:11:52.420 you'll recognize you're a racist, 1.00

00:11:54.900 America's racist, 0.99

00:11:55.700 and only once you land in that part,

00:11:57.400 in that point,

00:11:58.540 have you come full circle on the DEI training

00:12:01.160 and sort of get your gold star.

00:12:03.660 So I totally see what she is doing to him. 0.97

00:12:06.300 You're not allowed to challenge a black person 1.00

00:12:09.680 speaking about this issue, period. 0.97

00:12:12.540 The mere fact that he could have said anything

00:12:14.340 that was challenging,

00:12:15.560 didn't have to be what he said.

00:12:17.040 It's not allowed.

00:12:18.360 Go ahead.

00:12:18.700 Well, yes.

00:12:21.060 I mean, Ojo Thompson,

00:12:23.260 as we heard in that clip you just played,

00:12:26.680 reacts angrily,

00:12:28.840 accuses him of white privilege

00:12:30.440 and accuses him of not understanding

00:12:33.820 the plight of black Canadians.

00:12:36.980 And then after that,

00:12:39.300 things go from bad to worse.

00:12:42.060 Ojo Thompson,

00:12:43.800 after that interaction,

00:12:45.440 seemed to want,

00:12:47.300 wanted to make an example out of Richard.

00:12:50.640 And in another clip that we obtained,

00:12:53.060 she refers to him as a weed

00:12:55.320 and that they got the weed whacker out today.

00:12:58.400 And she's laughing as she says that.

00:13:00.880 And that,

00:13:02.960 you know,

00:13:03.640 made for just,

00:13:04.840 just,

00:13:05.740 you know,

00:13:06.120 it was just horrifying listening to that.

00:13:08.700 And then he,

00:13:10.560 the session continues.

00:13:11.500 And then the following session,

00:13:13.560 which happens the next week on May 3rd,

00:13:16.760 Richard goes to this session as well.

00:13:19.760 At this session,

00:13:21.680 Kiki Ojo Thompson refers to the previous session.

00:13:24.640 She,

00:13:24.940 in fact,

00:13:25.160 refers to the previous,

00:13:26.520 the interaction in the previous session

00:13:28.200 that she had with Richard without naming him.

00:13:30.760 And she says,

00:13:31.420 let's talk about that.

00:13:32.580 You know,

00:13:32.780 let's talk about what resistance looks like.

00:13:35.240 What,

00:13:35.420 what does a resistor do?

00:13:37.200 What are a resistor's tactics?

00:13:39.520 What does a resistor sound like?

00:13:42.080 And,

00:13:42.760 and this was basically an invitation

00:13:44.780 for the participants,

00:13:46.780 the attendees,

00:13:47.520 attendees in this,

00:13:48.660 in this session to,

00:13:50.380 to,

00:13:50.840 to put forth their views.

00:13:53.640 One would have expected someone to actually challenge her a little bit on,

00:13:57.980 on her claims,

00:13:58.900 or at least come to Richard's defense.

00:14:03.080 But no one came to his defense.

00:14:05.540 There were 200 people at the session

00:14:07.260 and not a single person stood up for Richard Bilkstow.

00:14:10.820 Fellow educators either remained silent

00:14:13.660 or they piled on him.

00:14:15.340 He was completely alone and isolated

00:14:18.240 and made to feel incredibly humiliated.

00:14:22.060 Here's,

00:14:22.420 here's,

00:14:22.720 we have a little bit of that.

00:14:23.860 She called it a teachable moment,

00:14:25.340 dragged back up the earlier instance,

00:14:27.580 and then got into what an example he is

00:14:30.480 of essentially white supremacy.

00:14:32.340 It's Sop 5.

00:14:35.600 One of the ways that white supremacy is upheld,

00:14:39.880 protected,

00:14:41.080 reproduced,

00:14:41.960 upkept,

00:14:42.600 defended

00:14:44.200 is through resistance.

00:14:46.960 And like I said,

00:14:47.980 as,

00:14:48.240 as I began to speak earlier,

00:14:50.180 we had,

00:14:50.780 I'm so lucky.

00:14:53.060 I would have thought my luck would show up so well last week

00:14:55.760 that we got perfect evidence of a wonderful example of resistance

00:14:59.960 that you all got to bear witness to.

00:15:01.980 So we're going to talk about it

00:15:03.380 because,

00:15:04.720 I mean,

00:15:04.980 it doesn't get better than this.

00:15:06.120 She's giggling.

00:15:09.020 She,

00:15:09.180 she's enjoying it. 0.95

00:15:10.360 She loves rubbing his nose in it as she calls him a racist. 0.91

00:15:13.760 That's essentially what she's saying. 0.87

00:15:16.140 Absolutely.

00:15:17.320 And,

00:15:17.860 and we,

00:15:18.900 you know,

00:15:19.080 we have to keep this in mind that Richard was dedicated his life to teaching

00:15:22.620 and for him to be humiliated in this manner,

00:15:25.800 you know,

00:15:26.880 surrounded by people that he had once worked with,

00:15:30.980 had to be,

00:15:32.060 had to have had a traumatic effect on him.

00:15:35.020 And it did.

00:15:36.220 Given the stress that he'd been under,

00:15:38.660 Richard went on sick leave on May 4th.

00:15:41.840 That same day,

00:15:43.000 he made a claim of workplace harassment to school board officials.

00:15:48.260 Three months later,

00:15:49.000 this body that investigated the matter ruled in his favor,

00:15:54.340 saying that to quote them,

00:15:56.040 the conduct of the speaker on April 26th,

00:15:58.420 2021 and May 3rd,

00:16:00.400 2021 was abusive,

00:16:02.180 egregious and vexatious and rises to the level of workplace harassment and

00:16:06.820 bullying.

00:16:07.640 On July 1st of that year,

00:16:09.540 he was medically cleared to return to work,

00:16:11.460 but,

00:16:12.020 but then,

00:16:13.720 you know,

00:16:14.380 that was not the end of the story.

00:16:16.040 The school board failed to honor his contract to return as a principal that

00:16:20.500 fall.

00:16:21.360 He had another long-term contract teaching opportunity that,

00:16:25.520 you know,

00:16:26.380 that,

00:16:26.600 that,

00:16:27.000 that,

00:16:27.320 that school reneged on that contract.

00:16:30.900 And basically,

00:16:32.620 you know,

00:16:32.860 he went from being the star educator,

00:16:36.520 a leader in the,

00:16:37.840 in the field of adult education to finding,

00:16:40.540 finding himself being canceled.

00:16:42.320 Nobody wanted to be seen with him or no,

00:16:46.520 no one wanted to associate themselves with him.

00:16:48.780 School officials began to distance themselves from him.

00:16:51.640 He was essentially seen as damaged goods at this point.

00:16:54.600 And his life spiraled down into despair.

00:16:59.060 And,

00:16:59.660 and that led to his tragic suicide on July 13th,

00:17:05.340 2023.

00:17:06.120 Oh my God,

00:17:08.080 this just happened.

00:17:09.080 And I know that he was in touch with the free press prior to taking his own

00:17:15.800 life.

00:17:16.560 He was talking about this whole situation.

00:17:19.900 So what was his demeanor and what was he saying?

00:17:23.920 Well,

00:17:26.160 so I didn't personally speak to him.

00:17:29.460 It was my coauthor,

00:17:32.180 who Ari Blaff,

00:17:33.460 who interviewed him.

00:17:34.300 And you can see that Richard was optimistic.

00:17:38.640 He was optimistic about this,

00:17:41.320 a lawsuit and speaking to his close friends and family.

00:17:48.120 You know,

00:17:48.860 he,

00:17:49.100 he was generally pretty optimistic about the direction,

00:17:51.900 which things were going for him,

00:17:53.640 but he was terrified about the legacy media getting a hold of the lawsuit.

00:18:00.260 And,

00:18:00.900 and,

00:18:01.460 and,

00:18:01.740 and once again,

00:18:03.040 you know,

00:18:04.060 you know,

00:18:05.260 he feared that his name would be dragged through the mud.

00:18:07.840 This was what terrified him in the weeks before his death.

00:18:11.400 He was really worried that the mainstream media would call him a white

00:18:15.600 supremacist,

00:18:16.480 a racist once again. 1.00

00:18:18.480 And, 0.97

00:18:18.980 and this,

00:18:19.800 this caused him a lot of anxiety and stress,

00:18:22.840 according to his best friend,

00:18:25.100 whom I spoke to for the story.

00:18:27.280 And he was last in touch with him a day before Richard killed himself.

00:18:32.280 And,

00:18:32.480 and,

00:18:33.260 you know,

00:18:33.660 he hadn't been sleeping and the stress was really getting to him.

00:18:37.980 And as his best friend said,

00:18:39.800 only people who were very,

00:18:41.680 very close to him truly know how much he suffered.

00:18:43.860 He just wasn't the same person anymore.

00:18:45.820 He may have been optimistic about the lawsuit and what,

00:18:49.820 and the future he had plans for the future,

00:18:52.040 but deep down inside,

00:18:53.220 he was terrified.

00:18:55.320 He was,

00:18:55.700 he felt humiliated.

00:18:56.740 He felt isolated and marginalized,

00:18:58.460 and he felt a great sense of letdown from,

00:19:02.380 from the community of educators who were once,

00:19:06.000 who just a year and a half earlier were praising him and telling him what a

00:19:10.300 great educator he was.

00:19:12.040 And now he was seen a white, 0.95

00:19:13.500 he was seen as a white supremacist and a racist. 0.83

00:19:15.900 I mean, 0.72

00:19:17.380 just to,

00:19:17.920 just for the record,

00:19:18.860 to remind the audience again,

00:19:20.940 all the guy did was to say,

00:19:23.240 sure,

00:19:24.120 we may be racist here in Canada,

00:19:25.640 but they're more racist in America when it comes to the children and the,

00:19:28.860 the education approach because of the tax districts.

00:19:31.340 And so that's what he said.

00:19:32.540 That,

00:19:33.140 that is what caused,

00:19:34.160 I've listened to all of the tapes that the free press got his hands on.

00:19:37.480 That's it.

00:19:38.560 There was no moment.

00:19:39.900 There was no moment that,

00:19:41.680 you know,

00:19:42.040 would have made you feel like you're watching some right wing television show,

00:19:46.040 right?

00:19:46.260 Not,

00:19:46.500 not at all.

00:19:47.340 Nothing that that one exchange we just played wound up ruining his life because

00:19:54.020 Kiki didn't like it and didn't think he had the right to challenge her because

00:20:00.000 she's a black woman and therefore everything she says is true period,

00:20:05.500 whether it is or it isn't.

00:20:07.860 So did,

00:20:08.920 did Richard have,

00:20:10.800 you know,

00:20:11.420 was there,

00:20:11.980 were there any other prior suicide attempts?

00:20:14.980 What,

00:20:15.180 did he have a longstanding issue mentally or,

00:20:18.540 you know,

00:20:18.640 in terms of mental health?

00:20:20.360 No,

00:20:20.940 that's,

00:20:21.500 that's a great question.

00:20:22.520 And the question that I've asked everyone that I,

00:20:25.740 I've spoken to,

00:20:26.820 including his family,

00:20:28.720 whom he was very close to and his very close friends.

00:20:32.460 And no,

00:20:33.700 he was,

00:20:35.340 you know,

00:20:35.820 a very jovial person.

00:20:38.680 He had a great personality.

00:20:40.960 He loved his job.

00:20:42.880 He dedicated his life to teaching.

00:20:44.540 He loved his students.

00:20:45.900 And he liked,

00:20:47.560 he liked going to Mexico.

00:20:49.200 There was no indication at all that,

00:20:52.420 you know,

00:20:52.900 there was,

00:20:53.800 there was no prior history of mental illness or,

00:20:57.580 or any,

00:20:58.380 any attempts at taking his life prior to this.

00:21:03.000 And,

00:21:03.320 and,

00:21:03.920 and so this one incident,

00:21:06.500 this few minutes of interaction at this DI training session,

00:21:10.100 had a profound effect on him.

00:21:14.580 There's no question in my mind that,

00:21:16.700 that it,

00:21:17.400 it,

00:21:17.620 it really just affected him to such an extent.

00:21:22.200 It's important to keep in mind,

00:21:23.660 Megan,

00:21:23.800 that as a school principal,

00:21:25.160 his reputation,

00:21:26.660 or for that matter,

00:21:27.600 every school principal or teacher anywhere,

00:21:30.420 whether in the U S or Canada,

00:21:32.960 you know,

00:21:33.700 their reputation has to be absolutely stellar.

00:21:36.640 And one,

00:21:37.280 you know,

00:21:37.500 when there's an attempt to tarnish that or,

00:21:39.480 or it gets tarnished for whatever reason,

00:21:41.600 it's,

00:21:42.440 it's very difficult to come back from that.

00:21:44.340 And we know this as writers and journalists,

00:21:46.620 you know,

00:21:46.840 how important that is.

00:21:48.740 And,

00:21:49.280 and,

00:21:49.580 and,

00:21:49.760 and,

00:21:50.040 you know,

00:21:50.700 some of us,

00:21:51.360 I think handle it,

00:21:52.740 you know,

00:21:54.100 better than others,

00:21:55.220 I suppose Richard handled it,

00:21:57.160 but,

00:21:57.440 you know,

00:21:57.640 ultimately it was,

00:21:58.780 it was,

00:21:59.200 it was too much for him to bear.

00:22:00.880 And,

00:22:01.380 and one,

00:22:02.780 one,

00:22:03.660 one explanation that I was given by his,

00:22:07.200 you know,

00:22:07.740 that,

00:22:08.080 that came to me from his family was that the last name Bilkstow is,

00:22:12.520 is uncommon.

00:22:14.020 And it's,

00:22:14.800 it's,

00:22:15.280 and,

00:22:15.560 and so Richard was very worried that if,

00:22:18.580 if the mainstream media were to write about his lawsuit,

00:22:24.220 again,

00:22:25.300 dragging his name through the mud and smearing him once again,

00:22:29.220 he,

00:22:29.780 he truly felt that his family name,

00:22:32.060 that his family would,

00:22:33.360 would,

00:22:33.720 would suffer as a result.

00:22:35.580 And,

00:22:36.300 and,

00:22:36.900 and his family feels that this probably was one reason why he took that

00:22:42.080 ultimate step.

00:22:43.220 Oh my God.

00:22:44.520 It's like,

00:22:45.180 I just want to say to people,

00:22:47.440 I,

00:22:47.620 I talk about this all the time.

00:22:49.580 I really believe that reputation is a mirage.

00:22:52.720 It's a mirage.

00:22:54.320 All that matters is who you actually are and who,

00:22:57.380 and your relationships with the people,

00:22:59.420 as I say,

00:22:59.880 within 15 feet of you,

00:23:01.060 the people who really know you would know that this was a lie about

00:23:04.480 Richard.

00:23:04.980 He got spun up in the belief that reputation is real.

00:23:08.620 And that,

00:23:09.100 I mean,

00:23:09.300 sure it would have real life consequences for him potentially on the

00:23:11.880 employment front and so on.

00:23:13.340 But my God,

00:23:15.160 I wish I had could have spoken with him,

00:23:17.200 you know,

00:23:17.360 as somebody who's been through something similar,

00:23:19.220 I wish I could have spoken with him.

00:23:22.380 I hope that anybody out there suffering with this,

00:23:24.680 because this is being done to people in Canada and in the United States

00:23:27.900 and all over the world now should know that this is,

00:23:31.560 these are passing storms,

00:23:32.800 that these are dishonest brokers who do this to you and that people are catching

00:23:38.020 on,

00:23:38.600 maybe not as much in April,

00:23:39.780 2021,

00:23:40.540 but,

00:23:40.760 but by July,

00:23:41.620 you know,

00:23:42.020 this month,

00:23:42.900 yet last month,

00:23:44.000 that we've caught on to this cynical game that's being played.

00:23:48.340 But Richard sounds like he was a tender soul and,

00:23:51.480 and they got to him.

00:23:52.700 And that's the risk.

00:23:53.860 That's the risk that,

00:23:55.600 you know,

00:23:56.160 this school system ran in bringing in this person.

00:23:59.420 Right.

00:24:00.000 And she's still up and operating.

00:24:01.900 Is she not Rupa?

00:24:02.660 She's still out there like other, 0.98

00:24:04.280 this woman could get hired tomorrow by, 1.00

00:24:06.100 by a school in Canada or the United States.

00:24:09.440 Absolutely.

00:24:10.100 Well,

00:24:10.240 this Institute boasts a pretty big client list,

00:24:13.240 including the CDC,

00:24:14.820 H and M and a bunch of other,

00:24:16.600 you know,

00:24:17.640 government organizations here in Canada.

00:24:20.540 So they certainly may have made a lot of money from these DI training

00:24:25.020 sessions.

00:24:26.460 His death was,

00:24:28.100 you know,

00:24:28.640 so incredibly tragic and was completely avoidable.

00:24:32.000 And what's happened now is rather than being contrite and being

00:24:36.820 compassionate,

00:24:39.440 you know,

00:24:41.560 Kojo Institute and Kiki,

00:24:43.240 Ojo Thompson seemed to be doubling down by saying that,

00:24:46.860 that,

00:24:47.440 that right-wing elements are trying to weaponize his death and use it

00:24:52.840 against her,

00:24:53.780 that she's in fact,

00:24:55.140 the actual victim here.

00:24:57.380 And even though,

00:24:59.200 even though a man died by suicide after being abused at her training

00:25:03.240 session.

00:25:04.520 And,

00:25:05.160 you know,

00:25:05.540 this,

00:25:05.880 this,

00:25:06.280 this tragedy,

00:25:07.440 if I may say,

00:25:08.120 this is one instance,

00:25:09.040 which shows truly how Canada has drifted to such an extreme where dissent

00:25:15.540 and healthy debate are tarred as disinformation or,

00:25:19.280 or,

00:25:19.820 or malice.

00:25:21.180 And this is coming from the prime minister on down.

00:25:26.980 And I,

00:25:27.660 I feel that we truly are in this Orwellian situation.

00:25:32.300 And it's not at all clear how we go from here and how we get out of this

00:25:36.540 mess.

00:25:37.400 But it's a good warning to you guys,

00:25:40.280 our friends,

00:25:41.120 south of the border of exactly where you don't want to go.

00:25:45.500 Right.

00:25:46.000 But we are,

00:25:46.780 as I say,

00:25:47.560 and this is,

00:25:48.300 this already infiltrated my schools back in 2020.

00:25:53.080 So,

00:25:53.280 I mean,

00:25:53.500 I was living this firsthand.

00:25:55.060 This is already here.

00:25:56.160 If you think this is a problem,

00:25:57.140 only in Canada,

00:25:57.900 you haven't been paying attention.

00:25:58.840 I'll guarantee you there's some DEI coordinator who's trying to get into

00:26:02.520 the school of all American children right now with this similar

00:26:06.560 messaging.

00:26:07.100 I've seen it.

00:26:07.800 I've sat there and looked at the slides myself.

00:26:10.740 This is the presentation.

00:26:12.120 You're not allowed to challenge.

00:26:14.360 This is the statement in part to which you refer statement by the Kojo

00:26:18.400 Institute.

00:26:18.920 This incident is being weaponized to discredit and suppress the work of

00:26:23.460 everyone committed to diversity,

00:26:25.160 equity,

00:26:25.420 and inclusion.

00:26:26.300 While the coverage by right-wing media of this controversy is

00:26:29.300 disappointing and led to our organization and team members receiving

00:26:32.740 threats and vitriol online.

00:26:35.780 Hello,

00:26:36.140 welcome to Richard's world.

00:26:37.700 We will not be deterred from our work in building a better society for

00:26:41.840 everyone.

00:26:42.460 So lesson not learned,

00:26:43.880 not learned at all.

00:26:45.560 And has she,

00:26:46.320 has Kiki spoken to the free press at all?

00:26:49.080 Has she,

00:26:49.840 has there been any atonement or,

00:26:51.480 or responsibility taken?

00:26:53.680 No,

00:26:54.400 none,

00:26:54.780 none that I'm aware of publicly.

00:26:57.340 She's I think there was a protest actually a couple of weeks ago by a group

00:27:02.960 called parents of black kids,

00:27:05.820 something like that.

00:27:06.960 And,

00:27:07.680 and they,

00:27:08.620 they essentially said that she,

00:27:11.020 she's a victim and she's being tarred and by right-wing elements. 0.95

00:27:15.120 And,

00:27:15.920 and,

00:27:16.700 and this is disinformation,

00:27:18.700 misinformation,

00:27:19.120 all of the usual boilerplate stuff that,

00:27:22.060 that,

00:27:22.560 that,

00:27:22.740 that they would use to try to discredit what happened.

00:27:28.560 So unfortunately what's happening is that his name is,

00:27:31.700 you know,

00:27:32.120 after his death is being smeared.

00:27:33.780 This is exactly what Richard feared when he was alive,

00:27:37.740 that people would not,

00:27:39.800 people would,

00:27:40.400 would,

00:27:40.680 would distort what happened during the training session.

00:27:43.640 And this is why,

00:27:45.060 you know,

00:27:45.440 we,

00:27:45.700 we really wanted to,

00:27:47.940 to provide the audio recordings because it's one thing to read an excerpt

00:27:53.680 to text that is in the lawsuit.

00:27:55.900 And that itself makes for a,

00:27:58.720 you know,

00:27:58.960 horrific reading,

00:27:59.840 but it's quite another to actually listen to the audio recordings and

00:28:03.140 actually get a sense of the tone,

00:28:05.760 you know,

00:28:06.060 and her,

00:28:06.820 her laughter,

00:28:07.960 her laughing when,

00:28:09.860 when she,

00:28:10.460 when she calls him a weed and that when she refers to him,

00:28:13.580 it's a weed and that,

00:28:15.060 you know,

00:28:15.260 that her,

00:28:16.020 you know,

00:28:16.420 that how lucky she felt that an example just showed up and she

00:28:19.740 couldn't believe our luck.

00:28:21.260 And she mocked him and laughed at him. 0.98

00:28:23.600 Yeah.

00:28:24.080 She mocked him.

00:28:25.080 And,

00:28:25.500 and,

00:28:25.980 and,

00:28:26.140 and so the audio recordings,

00:28:27.680 you know,

00:28:28.220 are,

00:28:28.380 are chilling and they're powerful.

00:28:30.560 And I'm,

00:28:31.780 I,

00:28:32.000 I,

00:28:32.420 you know,

00:28:32.800 I,

00:28:33.060 I'm so glad that I was able to share that,

00:28:35.340 that we at the free press provided that embedded that in our story.

00:28:40.100 There are more audio recordings on my Twitter thread.

00:28:42.760 Uh,

00:28:43.400 um,

00:28:44.040 uh,

00:28:44.440 where I talk about the story that,

00:28:46.400 that are well worth listening to the,

00:28:49.020 here's the thing,

00:28:49.760 but it's not only like,

00:28:50.800 so you,

00:28:51.620 we talked about how,

00:28:52.720 yes,

00:28:52.980 everybody's different.

00:28:53.800 Everybody's built differently.

00:28:54.620 You know,

00:28:55.060 I mean,

00:28:55.300 I I've been through this washing machine and it's horrible,

00:28:57.480 but I'm okay.

00:28:59.180 Richard had a different experience,

00:29:00.620 but here's the thing that we really need to worry about.

00:29:02.760 It's being done to children.

00:29:04.480 It's being done to very vulnerable children who are already unsteady,

00:29:09.160 emotionally.

00:29:09.640 A lot of them,

00:29:10.580 you know,

00:29:10.740 they're going through puberty,

00:29:11.720 they're going through depression,

00:29:13.240 they're addicted to social media,

00:29:14.440 all the things that have been affecting depression,

00:29:16.140 COVID,

00:29:16.800 uh,

00:29:17.340 of teenage girls,

00:29:18.460 teenage boys.

00:29:19.480 And they're being subjected to these kinds of trainings.

00:29:21.940 I mean,

00:29:22.400 they're bringing these into schools and subjecting children to them.

00:29:27.280 And they're going through this.

00:29:28.360 So it's like,

00:29:29.000 good God,

00:29:30.640 think of what could happen.

00:29:31.720 Like parents need to stand up and say,

00:29:33.640 Kiki will not be coming to our school. 0.53

00:29:37.380 Kiki has a very checkered record.

00:29:40.520 Kiki's behavior toward a good man.

00:29:44.020 Uh,

00:29:45.000 it very definitely appears to have played a role in his decision to take his own life.

00:29:50.740 That's,

00:29:51.460 that's what happened here.

00:29:52.740 That's the allegation,

00:29:53.820 whether she wants to deal with it or not.

00:29:56.140 Um,

00:29:56.580 and the answer is she doesn't,

00:29:57.940 but like the,

00:29:58.560 the,

00:29:58.840 the fact that you guys are shining a light on this is what makes it so important.

00:30:01.820 Did Richard himself like say anything about it?

00:30:05.980 Did he leave a note?

00:30:06.860 Did he,

00:30:07.260 did he explain any of this?

00:30:10.040 Um,

00:30:10.620 um,

00:30:11.420 I'm told that he left a note,

00:30:12.760 but we don't know,

00:30:13.520 uh,

00:30:13.920 the,

00:30:14.440 the contents of the note,

00:30:15.540 uh,

00:30:15.880 that has not been,

00:30:16.860 uh,

00:30:17.260 public,

00:30:17.620 a release to the public or to anyone that I'm aware of.

00:30:21.340 Um,

00:30:21.840 but,

00:30:22.340 uh,

00:30:22.520 he certainly spoke about what happened to him,

00:30:24.860 to everyone that he met.

00:30:26.520 Uh,

00:30:26.920 he was seen as someone who really wanted to,

00:30:30.040 um,

00:30:30.300 you know,

00:30:30.500 this incident had affected him,

00:30:31.840 uh,

00:30:32.420 so much,

00:30:32.960 but,

00:30:33.320 you know,

00:30:33.460 even prior to that,

00:30:34.300 he was always looking to improve the education system,

00:30:36.440 the public education system here.

00:30:38.900 And,

00:30:39.440 but post this incident,

00:30:40.420 he,

00:30:40.960 you know,

00:30:41.380 was helping,

00:30:43.120 um,

00:30:43.600 you know,

00:30:43.820 he was,

00:30:44.120 he was doing more of that.

00:30:45.780 And,

00:30:46.420 uh,

00:30:46.640 he,

00:30:47.080 he would,

00:30:47.620 he would befriend people who were also is,

00:30:51.360 uh,

00:30:51.520 you know,

00:30:51.740 in a similar battle trying to improve the public education system.

00:30:55.540 And anyone that he met,

00:30:56.840 he spoke about the lawsuit,

00:30:58.080 he spoke about what happened.

00:30:59.360 And he would,

00:31:00.240 in fact,

00:31:00.520 play the audio recordings,

00:31:02.100 uh,

00:31:02.560 to,

00:31:03.200 um,

00:31:03.580 to,

00:31:04.080 uh,

00:31:04.420 to everybody that he met,

00:31:06.040 that he confided in.

00:31:07.980 Um,

00:31:08.440 and,

00:31:09.020 uh,

00:31:09.280 and,

00:31:09.600 you know,

00:31:09.880 it was,

00:31:10.480 um,

00:31:10.960 certainly not something that he kept to himself.

00:31:13.620 He,

00:31:14.360 uh,

00:31:14.680 but deep down inside,

00:31:15.960 I mean,

00:31:16.180 even though he had a lot of supporters,

00:31:17.940 um,

00:31:19.000 it's important to emphasize that not one of those 200 people actually got up and defended him.

00:31:24.360 Um,

00:31:24.800 and,

00:31:25.400 you know,

00:31:25.560 I sent out a call two weeks ago while writing the story.

00:31:29.100 Please,

00:31:29.620 if you were in that session with them,

00:31:31.500 uh,

00:31:31.800 please reach out to me.

00:31:32.860 I will protect your identity.

00:31:34.680 Um,

00:31:35.220 I just want to know what happened.

00:31:36.800 Can you corroborate what happened?

00:31:38.220 And not a single person to this day has reached out to me.

00:31:41.940 And,

00:31:42.480 you know,

00:31:42.600 and you said earlier,

00:31:45.380 you made a very good point about,

00:31:47.140 you know,

00:31:47.280 it's time for people to stand up and say,

00:31:50.000 that's it.

00:31:50.640 We,

00:31:50.860 we were not going to entertain the likes of Kojo Institute entering our schools and so on.

00:31:56.700 Uh,

00:31:57.100 and that's a very important point,

00:31:58.740 Megan,

00:31:58.920 because this is something that I've been thinking about.

00:32:00.900 People claim that they want things to change,

00:32:02.820 but ultimately they're cowardly and don't want to speak up because they're afraid of losing their jobs.

00:32:07.760 They're afraid of losing their pensions.

00:32:09.420 They're afraid of,

00:32:09.980 uh,

00:32:10.600 losing their reputation or their friends or being unfriended on Facebook.

00:32:16.100 Um,

00:32:16.620 but you know,

00:32:17.420 what ends up happening is that they end up perpetuating the system.

00:32:20.580 Uh,

00:32:20.900 the fact that not a single educator,

00:32:22.780 and these are people who are,

00:32:23.980 uh,

00:32:24.620 helping shape young minds.

00:32:26.100 They're supposed to be cultivating, 0.83

00:32:27.380 um,

00:32:28.060 courage,

00:32:28.680 uh,

00:32:29.140 in,

00:32:29.620 in our young people.

00:32:30.560 They're supposed to be cultivating critical thinking in our young people.

00:32:33.760 Not a single one of those people,

00:32:35.600 uh,

00:32:36.200 spoke publicly in defense of,

00:32:37.760 uh,

00:32:38.320 Richard built still either.

00:32:39.960 They're true believers or they're just too afraid to speak up. 0.99

00:32:42.560 And they're very cowardly. 0.99

00:32:44.220 The, 0.76

00:32:44.700 I understand in part why they didn't do it in the moment because of her messaging.

00:32:48.840 Her messaging was basically,

00:32:50.180 if you say anything,

00:32:51.260 you're on the wrong side, 1.00

00:32:52.380 you're a racist. 0.97

00:32:52.880 And so I can see a bunch of progressive Canadians sitting up there saying, 0.98

00:32:56.060 well,

00:32:56.160 I don't want to,

00:32:56.840 uh,

00:32:57.260 then I look what she's doing to Richard.

00:32:58.980 I don't want to be on the receiving,

00:33:00.260 but there's no excuse for,

00:33:01.960 and that's not an excuse.

00:33:02.780 I just,

00:33:03.220 I get why they didn't do it in the moment,

00:33:05.060 but now to not speak out now to not come forward and say,

00:33:08.340 I regret not defending Richard.

00:33:10.200 I regret seating the conversation to this nutcase who is up there hurting people 0.98

00:33:16.520 with a completely racist, 0.99

00:33:18.760 wrongheaded message.

00:33:20.280 Here's one other thing she said that speaks to the sort of the shaming of people with a,

00:33:26.100 with a divergent viewpoint,

00:33:27.420 um,

00:33:28.640 from one of the sessions.

00:33:29.600 This is from after the first offense and exchange she had with Richard,

00:33:33.380 I think in that third session,

00:33:35.080 uh,

00:33:35.760 sought for.

00:33:37.480 What is not your personal experience?

00:33:39.560 Remember as white people,

00:33:41.440 there's a whole bunch going on that isn't your personal experience.

00:33:44.640 It will never be.

00:33:45.580 It will,

00:33:45.940 you will never know it to be.

00:33:47.380 So you will never know it to be.

00:33:48.920 So,

00:33:49.320 but so your job in this work as white people is to believe.

00:33:55.240 And,

00:33:55.480 and,

00:33:55.760 and if,

00:33:56.340 and if what you want is clarification,

00:33:58.020 ask for that.

00:33:59.760 Truly in truth,

00:34:00.900 not,

00:34:01.160 not in,

00:34:01.820 not with the,

00:34:02.380 with the foot in the,

00:34:03.780 yeah,

00:34:03.940 but I'm going to tell you how you're wrong.

00:34:05.440 It's the help me understand further,

00:34:07.820 please,

00:34:08.140 because I actually don't know.

00:34:09.840 Um,

00:34:10.280 and so I think that one has to really question a number of things.

00:34:14.480 Um,

00:34:15.280 I think this is a profound and,

00:34:17.340 and appropriate teachable moment.

00:34:20.360 Your job is to believe period.

00:34:24.040 She has the, 0.94

00:34:25.520 she has cornered the market on truth because of her melanin.

00:34:28.760 Absolutely.

00:34:31.960 And,

00:34:32.420 uh,

00:34:32.700 what's really hard to believe,

00:34:34.300 uh,

00:34:34.720 is that she herself used to be a teacher at one point,

00:34:37.820 uh,

00:34:38.720 and imagine imparting this kind of,

00:34:40.760 uh,

00:34:41.420 um,

00:34:41.900 uh,

00:34:42.160 you know,

00:34:42.560 education,

00:34:43.180 uh,

00:34:44.320 uh,

00:34:45.240 to your students.

00:34:46.060 Uh,

00:34:46.440 it truly is quite disturbing.

00:34:48.600 Uh,

00:34:49.020 you know,

00:34:49.420 Richard's,

00:34:50.120 Richard's fault,

00:34:51.020 uh,

00:34:51.640 if,

00:34:52.040 you know,

00:34:52.460 was that,

00:34:52.940 you know,

00:34:53.280 he was,

00:34:53.840 he was,

00:34:54.420 um,

00:34:55.340 a gay man.

00:34:56.720 He was white and he was pushing against this claim,

00:35:00.480 uh,

00:35:01.480 not aggressively,

00:35:02.660 very politely.

00:35:04.520 And,

00:35:05.060 uh,

00:35:05.540 and,

00:35:05.960 and that's what got him into trouble.

00:35:08.160 And that just is just tragic.

00:35:12.680 Well,

00:35:13.200 Kiki,

00:35:13.660 I do not believe madam,

00:35:15.440 wherever you may be.

00:35:16.380 I do not believe.

00:35:17.780 I do not believe you.

00:35:18.980 I do not believe that you spoke truth and I will fight you.

00:35:22.980 If you come within 10 feet of any organization that my children or my friends,

00:35:29.540 or I am a part of,

00:35:30.580 and I recommend everyone listening to me do the same.

00:35:34.180 You should pay attention.

00:35:35.400 Kojo Institute.

00:35:36.220 And it's not just Kojo,

00:35:37.600 Kojo,

00:35:38.120 not at all.

00:35:39.040 That was not the Institute that came to my schools.

00:35:41.360 Uh,

00:35:41.680 but the ones that were at my schools,

00:35:42.880 one was the DEI head and the other one at our girls school.

00:35:45.740 I'm trying to remember the name.

00:35:46.580 It was very,

00:35:47.140 very,

00:35:47.520 Oh God,

00:35:48.140 it's Pollyanna.

00:35:49.600 Pollyanna was the,

00:35:50.520 um,

00:35:51.460 sort of the approach on the DEI there.

00:35:54.100 And they brought in another group to do DEI training who said the same kind of stuff.

00:35:58.420 So you have to stay vigilant on it.

00:36:00.460 Last question though,

00:36:01.220 Rupa,

00:36:01.360 I understand there was some investigation ordered by the education minister there.

00:36:08.140 I mean,

00:36:08.320 will there be any accountability here?

00:36:12.380 Uh,

00:36:13.040 I hope so.

00:36:14.020 I certainly hope so.

00:36:14.880 the school board itself has,

00:36:16.500 uh,

00:36:17.000 announced,

00:36:17.800 uh,

00:36:18.160 announced a couple of weeks ago that they were going to be,

00:36:20.240 uh,

00:36:20.780 launching an investigation into what happened at the DEI session.

00:36:24.500 Uh,

00:36:25.060 the minister,

00:36:25.860 minister of education in the province where I live has announced,

00:36:29.280 uh,

00:36:29.840 and where,

00:36:30.540 where all of this happened has announced,

00:36:32.640 uh,

00:36:33.000 an investigation as well.

00:36:34.260 I,

00:36:35.040 I truly hope that,

00:36:36.300 uh,

00:36:36.720 we,

00:36:37.080 we get to the bottom of this and,

00:36:38.960 and,

00:36:39.120 and really try to do justice by Richard.

00:36:42.420 Um,

00:36:42.920 you know,

00:36:43.400 because what happened to him was completely avoidable.

00:36:48.140 It was absolutely tragic.

00:36:49.640 It destroyed,

00:36:50.680 uh,

00:36:51.220 you know,

00:36:51.580 what was done to him,

00:36:52.540 not what happened to him,

00:36:53.520 what was done to him and it destroyed his life.

00:36:56.600 Um,

00:36:57.080 uh,

00:36:57.360 and,

00:36:57.800 you know,

00:36:58.220 and now you have,

00:36:59.500 um,

00:37:00.220 uh,

00:37:00.820 people,

00:37:02.860 friends of Kojo,

00:37:03.840 um,

00:37:04.540 already smearing him after his death and claiming that the DEI trainer is the

00:37:09.480 actual victim.

00:37:11.040 It's an upside down world.

00:37:13.380 It makes me want to go to one of these trainings.

00:37:15.380 I could have some fun with this woman.

00:37:16.900 I really, 0.95

00:37:17.300 I would love to get in her face. 0.99

00:37:18.740 I would, 1.00

00:37:19.100 I'd love to sit there saying you're full of shit. 1.00

00:37:21.600 You've heard a lot of people. 1.00

00:37:22.580 This is a bunch of nonsense. 1.00

00:37:24.080 These are racist lies. 1.00

00:37:25.100 You're a racist Kiki. 1.00

00:37:26.860 I mean, 0.99

00:37:27.120 like if you are forced to be subjected to this by your company or your

00:37:30.580 school or your kid is,

00:37:32.260 and you can't manage to pull them,

00:37:34.080 then arm them with facts, 0.99

00:37:36.140 arm them with actual comebacks to the nonsense that this woman spews. 0.98

00:37:41.600 And I think more and more, 0.99

00:37:43.460 uh,

00:37:44.080 people see that those of us who challenge this nonsense are in the right

00:37:48.380 black,

00:37:49.120 white,

00:37:49.400 whatever.

00:37:49.920 I mean,

00:37:50.320 more and more people at ours,

00:37:51.620 at our school,

00:37:52.980 our boy's school in New York,

00:37:54.500 when we sort of found a,

00:37:55.560 formed an underground group to push back on this,

00:37:57.780 on this nonsense. 0.95

00:37:58.700 Some of the most outspoken people about it were black families who are like, 1.00

00:38:02.660 this is bullshit. 0.99

00:38:03.820 We, 1.00

00:38:04.100 we disagree with all of this.

00:38:05.640 And they were completely aligned with all of us on the harm that was being

00:38:10.360 done with,

00:38:10.780 with this messaging.

00:38:11.600 But you don't know if you sit there in silence with your tail between your

00:38:15.260 legs.

00:38:15.900 Thank you for calling attention to this.

00:38:17.440 Love the free press.

00:38:18.940 Everyone can check it out at the FP.com.

00:38:21.820 More and more great journalism there.

00:38:23.500 Uh,

00:38:23.700 thank you all the best.

00:38:24.400 Come back anytime.

00:38:25.000 Thank you.

00:38:26.040 Thank you,

00:38:26.360 Megan.

00:38:26.940 And,

00:38:27.360 uh,

00:38:27.580 hope all of you pay attention and have a wonderful weekend.

00:38:33.800 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

00:38:35.680 No BS,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 12, 2023

A DEI Session, Bullying, and a Tragic Suicide： Megyn Kelly Show Weekend Extra ｜ Ep. 606

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