The Megyn Kelly Show - A Parent Fights Back： Andrew Gutmann on Critical Race Theory and ＂Anti-Racism＂ Indoctrination at His Daughter's School ｜ Ep. 99

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.540 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.720 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.300 Today we have got Andrew Gutman.

00:00:48.420 Do you know that name?

00:00:49.620 You might.

00:00:50.840 He made a lot of news recently as a dad

00:00:53.640 at one of these Tony New York schools, Brearley.

00:00:56.740 It's an all-girls school on the Upper East Side

00:01:00.020 where people like Tina Fey, Drew Barrymore, and Chelsea Clinton,

00:01:05.180 pardon me, have their daughters enrolled.

00:01:07.720 Um, I'm not her fan.

00:01:10.460 I just, I prefer the mother to her.

00:01:12.660 Anyway, okay, I'm off on a tangent.

00:01:14.320 Andrew has a daughter at Brearley, and he pulled her, or he's going to.

00:01:18.900 And he went public in a scathing letter to all 650 plus parents at Brearley about why he did it

00:01:25.860 and what they needed to be paying attention to and how bad the critical race theory indoctrination

00:01:30.440 had gotten at that school.

00:01:31.680 And he was promptly attacked and essentially blown off by the head of school.

00:01:37.280 Um, one of the students at the school wrote a piece accusing him of doing things he didn't

00:01:41.380 actually do in the letter.

00:01:42.760 The board has done a collective shoulder shrug.

00:01:46.280 And all these parents who underground support Andrew so far have been deadly silent about it,

00:01:53.320 which is just wrong.

00:01:54.600 And we'll get to that too.

00:01:56.360 Um, wait until you hear what they're doing to kids at Brearley when it comes to COVID too.

00:01:59.360 It's insane.

00:02:00.900 We've lost our minds.

00:02:02.380 So Andrew's sort of lifting up the veil on what's going on inside of these schools.

00:02:07.660 And as you know, sadly, it's all too infrequent that a parent is willing to do this because

00:02:12.720 it's, you know, it's your kid.

00:02:15.120 You don't want to do anything that's going to compromise their ability to get into a good

00:02:18.460 school or make their teachers like them or have the administration turn against them.

00:02:23.160 It's, it's a scary thing to do.

00:02:24.860 So I give the guy credit and we're going to get to Andrew in one second.

00:02:28.840 But first this.

00:02:35.820 I'm thrilled to have you here.

00:02:37.460 Thank you for doing this with me.

00:02:39.020 I'm thrilled to be here.

00:02:39.800 Thank you for having me.

00:02:40.740 All right.

00:02:40.920 So let me start with your humanity.

00:02:42.860 Are, is it scary?

00:02:43.880 Is it, is it because I know it's not easy to talk about this stuff?

00:02:47.280 Look, I know I don't mind talking about it.

00:02:49.240 I think, yeah, the first few days after the letter came out was, was pretty stressful.

00:02:53.200 My wife and I didn't really eat or sleep for about five days.

00:02:56.460 And we never expected this to happen.

00:02:58.760 What happened that the letter would get this attention, but no, I'm pretty comfortable talking

00:03:02.800 about it right now.

00:03:03.720 Okay.

00:03:03.940 Um, so you sent the letter dated April 13th.

00:03:07.220 And just so our audience, they, they know the general background, um, knows, but Brearley

00:03:11.600 is a, is a top, top school in the United States, nevermind New York.

00:03:15.000 And it's very competitive and very rigorous.

00:03:17.920 Um, and we know this because our daughter is at a similarly rigorous, rigorous and competitive

00:03:23.900 girl school right down the road from Brearley.

00:03:26.020 And we looked at Brearley too.

00:03:27.520 And in, let's just start at the beginning.

00:03:29.380 It's, it's, it's a golden ticket to get into one of these schools.

00:03:32.440 It's wonderful.

00:03:33.620 They, they're really competitive.

00:03:34.800 They're really freaking expensive.

00:03:36.920 And it's, it's hard, especially when, cause I think your daughter is around our daughter's

00:03:41.860 age, right?

00:03:42.260 She's a fourth grader right now.

00:03:43.760 She's sixth grade.

00:03:44.440 Yeah.

00:03:44.580 She's 12 in sixth grade.

00:03:45.760 Okay.

00:03:45.940 She's 12.

00:03:46.300 So, uh, and we have a fifth grader and we have a fourth grader and, and a first grader.

00:03:50.940 But my point is, especially back then, right now, I think it's a little less competitive

00:03:55.080 because people have left New York in droves over COVID.

00:03:58.540 But back then, I mean, when you get an acceptance from Brearley or, you know, where we go Spence

00:04:03.880 or collegiate where my boys were, it's like, yes.

00:04:07.800 Right.

00:04:08.140 Cause it's just like, you know, your kid is so lucky.

00:04:10.720 They're going to get this amazing education.

00:04:12.620 And I think most parents are cognizant of how lucky that is and what a, what a 1% situation

00:04:18.900 that is.

00:04:19.780 And the schools do a good job of trying to bring in underprivileged kids as well.

00:04:22.980 So it's not all 1%ers in there, but I'm just talking about not every kid in America gets

00:04:26.800 to go to a school like Brearley.

00:04:28.700 Right.

00:04:28.980 So, no, I will tell you, I mean, the, the admission process and for the people that like

00:04:33.140 yourself that have gone through this in New York, know this, this was the most stressful

00:04:36.600 fall of my wife's and I's lives ever.

00:04:39.780 We, we actually had applied to 12 schools, um, because we were not super wealthy.

00:04:44.420 We were not well-connected our preschool that we were at a small preschool.

00:04:47.900 That was not really a traditional feeder preschool.

00:04:51.100 And so she, the advice we were given was apply broadly and did that.

00:04:55.980 And, uh, you know, you're sort of having three events at all those schools over a period

00:05:01.020 of two months, three months.

00:05:02.640 It was incredibly stressful.

00:05:05.040 Um, and yes, when, when, uh, we were very lucky, my daughter, you know, did well in the

00:05:09.880 process.

00:05:10.240 We had a bunch of choices.

00:05:11.820 We chose Brearley because we thought it was absolutely the best education that, that she

00:05:16.440 could get.

00:05:17.300 Um, and, and there's some other terrific schools, like the ones that I know your kids go to that

00:05:20.660 are, that are equally good.

00:05:22.200 Um, but you know, we love Brearley for, for the education.

00:05:25.580 Yes, exactly.

00:05:26.480 So, so just to set it up, because most parents in New York go into these schools completely hopeful

00:05:32.040 and feeling very grateful to be there and just thrilled.

00:05:36.100 I mean, I went to public school, so it's like, I can't believe, right.

00:05:39.680 That my kids are going to get this education. 0.99

00:05:40.980 I'm like following along with their homework so I can finally learn all the damn things 0.99

00:05:45.360 I was never taught. 0.98

00:05:47.440 I have no idea how you, how you multiply fractions, honey.

00:05:51.120 Hold on.

00:05:51.440 Let me look at this YouTube video and I'll get back to you.

00:05:54.100 Well, the math, I don't know if you got, if your schools use the Singapore math, which

00:05:57.140 is very different than the way we know we learned to back, back in the day.

00:06:00.340 We, we don't, our schools do not use Singapore math.

00:06:03.180 Um, but I, I love that, that scene in the, uh, the latest Incredibles movie where the Mr.

00:06:08.560 Incredible played by voiced by Craig T. Nelson is like, they changed math.

00:06:13.260 Why did they change math?

00:06:15.340 It's like those of us who barely hung onto it the first time are like, oh, now I'm really

00:06:19.260 lost.

00:06:20.040 Exactly.

00:06:20.520 No, I know that scene.

00:06:21.220 Yeah.

00:06:21.640 So anyway, okay.

00:06:22.400 So, so she's in Brearley life's going along great.

00:06:26.300 You're living your life.

00:06:26.960 Is she your only daughter?

00:06:28.060 Do you have other children?

00:06:28.560 She is an only. 0.98

00:06:29.080 Yeah, she is for better or for worse.

00:06:31.020 Okay.

00:06:32.120 And she starts off in kindergarten.

00:06:33.920 So she's a, a, at the point you wrote this letter had been a lifer at Brearley.

00:06:38.960 Yeah.

00:06:39.500 Yeah.

00:06:39.640 All seven years.

00:06:40.760 And, and had you been enjoying Brearley prior to this?

00:06:44.460 Yeah.

00:06:44.960 Look, I think it, look, there's still aspects of it that are very, very good.

00:06:48.520 I think it was very, very good school.

00:06:50.780 You can always nitpick.

00:06:51.920 I mean, there's no perfect school out there.

00:06:53.420 You know, I have some pretty strong views on education and curriculums.

00:06:56.960 I'm a little bit, you know, non-mainstream.

00:06:59.840 So you can always nitpick a few things.

00:07:01.420 The math was, was, was one thing, but yeah, we were happy.

00:07:05.080 I mean, it's a nice community.

00:07:06.580 We made nice friends there.

00:07:07.740 She made nice friends there.

00:07:08.820 I think the teachers are terrific.

00:07:10.800 We never really had any issues with the administration until, you know, very recently. 0.99

00:07:15.820 Um, and we, and I'll tell you, we're not the sort of, you know, the PETA pain in the ass 0.98

00:07:20.620 families. 0.81

00:07:21.480 Um, we are not, I mean, we, in the seven years until, you know, this last year, there was,

00:07:27.400 we have one meeting with the, with the school, the head of the lower school about something.

00:07:31.360 Um, so, you know, there are parents, I know that call weekly about stuff and that's not

00:07:35.980 our family at all.

00:07:37.300 So yeah, we were, we were happy.

00:07:39.360 Um, some of the anti-racism and diversity stuff started creeping in a little bit and,

00:07:44.100 you know, we were very cognizant of that.

00:07:45.440 And my daughter was cognizant of that, but we were happy, uh, at the school.

00:07:49.400 I, I, a year ago or so, you know, pre this and pre COVID, uh, there was every assumption

00:07:55.560 that she goes K through 12, that she would stay here for the full 13 years.

00:07:59.580 Totally.

00:08:00.280 Mike and Andrew, I totally relate to this.

00:08:02.240 This is how I felt about my kids.

00:08:03.580 So loved our schools, loved our communities still, you know, my closest friends in New

00:08:08.720 York are all from my daughter's school and we, we had communities in these schools that

00:08:13.340 we really loved.

00:08:14.220 And I still love, I still have very close friends at both schools and love the administrators

00:08:17.400 too.

00:08:17.680 And the teachers, the teachers were amazing. 0.99

00:08:19.420 And I really felt like as this started to emerge, this shit was being forced on them. 0.99

00:08:23.520 It was being that it was coming from above. 1.00

00:08:25.800 Yes.

00:08:25.980 Some of the teachers, as we saw in that Dalton letter with all the, you know, the 110 0.86

00:08:29.380 signatories are completely committed to radicalism in some of these pockets, but a lot of them

00:08:34.860 aren't and just want to teach normal subjects without seeing everything through a racial 0.95

00:08:40.620 lens.

00:08:41.580 Um, okay.

00:08:42.240 So, so you're there.

00:08:43.540 I can totally relate.

00:08:44.700 I was ideologically, I think at the same place you were like, love it.

00:08:47.400 Great.

00:08:47.820 Lucky things are good.

00:08:49.080 Move on.

00:08:49.600 Um, and what was, do you remember the first thing that caught your attention of, well,

00:08:55.640 that's, that's not just annoying.

00:08:57.400 That's actually potentially dangerous and deeply problematic.

00:09:01.160 And now suddenly I got to start paying attention in a way I kind of wasn't before.

00:09:06.920 Yeah.

00:09:07.360 Look, I think, again, I think some of these things were creeping in a little bit and, and

00:09:12.220 not just on, on the anti-racism on other issues, um, you know, really, and, and I know, you

00:09:19.760 know, you've experienced that also, uh, uh, you know, single sex schools, uh, really very,

00:09:23.560 very much, uh, about empowering women and feminism.

00:09:27.780 And, you know, there were discussions about, I had with my daughter about some of the history

00:09:32.080 and social studies curriculum are, you know, are you learning about any, you know, males?

00:09:37.040 Are you learning about any white males?

00:09:38.440 So this is goes back for years.

00:09:40.200 So I think, you know, the antenna was, you know, the antenna was up a little bit because

00:09:44.360 they did do in fifth grade, for example, was American history.

00:09:47.400 They changed this now a lot in the last year, but, uh, the, uh, you know, colonial period

00:09:52.500 in the American revolution and the constitution.

00:09:54.580 Um, so, so some of this stuff was sort of getting the antenna up, but this was a night

00:09:59.940 and day change, uh, in the last year since George Floyd and black lives matter.

00:10:05.180 Um, it just feels like a complete switch.

00:10:07.460 And I know you had, you know, I listened to your podcast a week or two ago.

00:10:10.200 Two ago with, with Paul Rossi, the, the grace church math teacher.

00:10:13.740 And he, you know, it was interesting to hear him talk where he said that this was really

00:10:17.800 in the works at his school for, for years.

00:10:20.860 Um, yeah, I didn't appreciate that for us.

00:10:24.180 And I think, I think you had the same reaction when, uh, you know, about a year ago with,

00:10:28.940 with again, George Floyd and BLM.

00:10:30.280 Um, this is when this orders of magnitude got ramped up.

00:10:33.720 Uh, and that's where it said, wait a minute, what is going on here?

00:10:37.400 Well, I would say, um, certainly a collegiate.

00:10:40.420 It started earlier than that because about a year prior to George Floyd, a group of black 1.00

00:10:45.540 students had written an open letter to collegiate raising what I thought were some legitimate

00:10:50.200 issues.

00:10:50.580 I was like, I get this.

00:10:52.340 I see where they're coming from.

00:10:53.400 They're like, there aren't enough black students here. 0.96

00:10:55.340 There aren't enough black faculty. 1.00

00:10:56.420 And can we work harder to improve some of that and improve some of the awareness of

00:11:00.560 the issues that those of us who are here and are very clearly in the minority are feeling

00:11:05.040 it was, it was fine.

00:11:06.820 I mean, I think most people, I don't know of a single person who wasn't legitimately like

00:11:11.540 I like it and I'm into it and let's help.

00:11:15.360 And collegiate started to do more things to sort of like take that into account.

00:11:20.280 And, uh, our, our then fourth grader was learning about the American revolution and he came home

00:11:26.120 and he was like, he could name 12 black people who had helped in the American revolution,

00:11:30.280 which we were fine, fine with.

00:11:31.920 But then I asked him, I'm like, did they mention George Washington?

00:11:36.820 Yes.

00:11:37.180 The answer was no.

00:11:38.320 Thomas Jefferson.

00:11:39.920 I know.

00:11:40.780 We have the same reaction, same exact reaction.

00:11:43.520 Um, I, I, that's the one thing if you've asked me, you know, where, where were you critical

00:11:47.160 of, of really curriculum wise, um, more than anything else that I didn't really articulate

00:11:52.800 this to the school, but it's sort of the history.

00:11:55.460 And civics curriculum, which I think personally is the most important thing that kids should

00:12:00.900 learn in school.

00:12:01.540 And it's probably the academic subject at all schools that gets the least amount of attention.

00:12:06.680 But for us, uh, it was also, you know, yes, they're, they're learning not about, uh, you

00:12:12.200 know, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, um, for really it was also, you know, women.

00:12:15.980 And again, that's not, it's absolutely worth learning about.

00:12:18.980 I, I, I agree with what you said.

00:12:20.380 I don't think there's anybody in any of these schools that say, you know, don't appreciate

00:12:26.500 diversity and, and don't learn about more than just the dead white males, right?

00:12:31.640 No one disagrees with that.

00:12:33.140 But, you know, I've said this a lot is look, you know, you want to, you want to teach civil

00:12:38.200 rights.

00:12:38.540 Okay.

00:12:38.760 You want to teach Martin Luther King.

00:12:40.900 Absolutely.

00:12:41.340 But you can't understand Martin Luther King, unless you understand Abraham Lincoln, you

00:12:44.840 can't understand Abraham Lincoln, unless you understand Thomas Jefferson, you can't really

00:12:48.400 understand Thomas Jefferson, unless you really, you know, look at the, you know, ancient Greeks

00:12:52.600 and Romans, um, there has to be context.

00:12:55.480 And I think these schools, uh, you know, have completely lost, and this is the, I agree with

00:13:00.680 you.

00:13:00.800 This predates BLM and George Floyd.

00:13:03.340 Um, they've completely lost the context in, in teaching history and, and, and civics, or

00:13:09.120 we don't teach civics at all.

00:13:10.100 So, uh, so I agree with you.

00:13:12.120 Well, and now, and now Joe Biden's got a push to add civics.

00:13:15.560 Like there's a, there's a bill actually making its way through Congress to push for civics

00:13:19.540 back in the classroom.

00:13:20.260 I was like, Oh, great.

00:13:20.960 I like civics.

00:13:21.560 We need that.

00:13:22.000 And of course that it's not about that at all.

00:13:24.340 It's trying to push the 1619 project and the teachings of Ibram X.

00:13:28.060 Kendi.

00:13:28.400 So no.

00:13:29.600 Right.

00:13:30.020 So it's like the push by the Biden administration and the Democrats right now in Congress is not

00:13:33.660 to push civics.

00:13:34.440 They want to push this far left agenda, uh, or I don't even know where there's far left.

00:13:39.380 It's far woke.

00:13:40.240 It's, it's dishonest, woke agenda.

00:13:42.180 It is.

00:13:42.580 And to the point you just made, um, just to tell the audience, Howard university.

00:13:47.680 Okay.

00:13:48.060 Howard university, which is, it's the greatest, I think the greatest black university in the

00:13:54.460 country, right.

00:13:55.180 It's, it's, um, you know, traditionally black, it's a black institution and it is now going

00:14:00.300 to ban the study of the classics.

00:14:03.840 They want to get rid of the classics in Cornell West, professor Cornell West.

00:14:07.260 And, uh, a coauthor, Jeremy Tate just had a really good piece on this in the Washington

00:14:11.120 post saying, um, about you, Howard university dissolving its classics department, um, saying

00:14:19.000 how alarming this was and talking about how MLK that, that he, he was reading Socrates.

00:14:26.360 He mentioned Socrates three times in his 1963 letter for Birmingham jail that to, to dissolve

00:14:32.560 the light of the wisdom that preceded us just because these guys weren't exactly enlightened

00:14:39.360 on issues like gender and race is absurd.

00:14:43.420 And it's damaging to our young people, but they won't listen.

00:14:47.620 But anyway, so if it's happening at Howard at the university level, it's, you know, it's

00:14:52.620 not particularly surprising that these younger institutions, you know, dealing with K through 0.98

00:14:56.920 12 are doing it too.

00:14:58.020 Yeah.

00:14:58.220 So I'll, I'll, I might be jumping ahead and I apologize for that.

00:15:01.460 Um, but so, so I've really seen you wrote a rebuttal to my letter, which, which was sort

00:15:06.080 of publicly talked about and it was very nice and she wrote very well.

00:15:09.400 And I commend her for that.

00:15:10.560 And she stood up for her school, but what the main point she was really making, and I

00:15:15.020 think she sort of missed the point of my letter, which was, we still teach Latin.

00:15:18.980 What is he talking about?

00:15:19.840 We still teach Latin.

00:15:22.160 I am very well aware that they still teach Latin in high school.

00:15:25.760 The question is, will they still teach Latin in high school next year?

00:15:29.340 Or when my daughter's in the upper school.

00:15:31.860 And I actually commented on, on something she wrote and said, listen, if you're really interested

00:15:35.680 in this topic, you got to look at what's going on in the lower middle school.

00:15:38.400 You can't just look up what's going on in the upper school where, you know, there's, there's

00:15:42.320 more limit to what they can do to the curriculum because you've got your AP classes and things

00:15:45.800 you have to do for college.

00:15:47.080 But the broader point, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're a danger.

00:15:51.500 And this is a much bigger point of, of, you know, extinguishing the enlightenment here.

00:15:56.580 If we stop teaching the classics, uh, if we stop teaching history, this is, this is a

00:16:01.600 much broader point, but this is incredibly dangerous.

00:16:03.880 What is going on and that, yes, that the Biden administration is putting this at the forefront.

00:16:09.460 And one of the, you know, things that, uh, on their policy about education is terrifying

00:16:13.020 to be frank.

00:16:14.480 Yeah.

00:16:15.140 Oh, well, I mean, on the AP classes, they're teaching them for now, but there was, I just

00:16:18.860 tweeted on an article the other day.

00:16:19.920 I think it was Virginia, um, and a school district there abolished AP classes.

00:16:24.760 And, and we're seeing a push for this in more and more schools.

00:16:27.240 That was one of the things that the Dalton students were demanding.

00:16:29.360 Uh, the school either gets complete parody between black and white students on AP classes

00:16:34.300 or the AP classes get eliminated.

00:16:37.360 Now I will full disclosure at my public school.

00:16:40.220 I never took an AP class.

00:16:41.640 I didn't even know what that was.

00:16:42.640 I don't think I could have done it.

00:16:45.860 But my point is I see a lot of smart kids who could, who can do it.

00:16:49.440 And, and that includes a lot of smart black kids and equal parody among everyone. 0.97

00:16:53.740 I mean, are you kidding me?

00:16:54.640 Can you imagine if we did that for all groups?

00:16:56.220 Like, what about the Irish, my people, we had discrimination against us, horrible discrimination

00:17:00.620 back, you know, a hundred plus years ago.

00:17:02.460 Let me tell you, I never would have a parody with some of the black and white students that 1.00

00:17:07.020 I see now in my kids' schools.

00:17:08.760 It's just, people are different, right?

00:17:10.400 But so they're going to get rid of AP classes in the name of quote equity.

00:17:13.700 And the classics have to go because, you know, Socrates and Plato weren't evolved enough.

00:17:19.080 They weren't woke.

00:17:19.700 And we don't mention George Washington, you know, general, then general George Washington,

00:17:24.660 when we're talking about the American revolution.

00:17:26.600 So you decide finally, after this explosion in the woke Arati inside Brearley to write this

00:17:33.100 letter, what had you been doing prior to that?

00:17:35.420 Because had you been talking with other parents or how was it growing?

00:17:38.580 Yeah.

00:17:38.760 So, so I thought about writing the letter at the beginning of the school year or writing

00:17:42.000 something like this.

00:17:42.900 Um, cause I could see the writing on the wall here.

00:17:46.200 Yep.

00:17:46.800 I decided, look, I know, and I said this in my letter and I believe this even more given

00:17:52.140 the reaction, more than half the parents were very unhappy with the direction of the school.

00:17:57.780 And I still, and I believe very strongly that's the case more than half.

00:18:01.020 Okay.

00:18:01.160 Based on what, why do you believe that?

00:18:02.860 Just talking to people, just talking to people about this.

00:18:05.620 We were forced, although we refused to sign a community agreement, a pledge about this

00:18:11.160 anti-racism among other things.

00:18:12.900 Uh, that we would not only teach, this is the beginning of the school year, actually

00:18:16.440 before the school year even started.

00:18:18.720 Uh, and they didn't want to let my daughter in unless we signed it and we can talk about

00:18:22.480 that if you want.

00:18:23.560 Yeah.

00:18:23.840 I don't know if you guys had, did you guys have some kind of pledge like that?

00:18:27.920 No, they did not require.

00:18:29.720 I mean, I saw when Brearley made it mandatory that parents applying their children had to

00:18:35.440 affirm something about aligning with Brearley's ideology on, on all this stuff.

00:18:40.020 But I didn't know the existing parents had to sign a pledge.

00:18:42.960 Yeah.

00:18:43.340 Yeah.

00:18:43.560 So, so prior to the school year starting on labor, I think it might've started a little

00:18:46.900 bit late because of COVID.

00:18:47.880 I forget.

00:18:48.680 Uh, we were supposed to sign a community agreement.

00:18:50.600 One of the parts was about anti-racism.

00:18:53.180 Not only, and I don't have the exact wording, but not only are we going to support this in

00:18:57.600 the school, but we will help teach and support this in the home.

00:19:02.540 So this is full on indoctrination.

00:19:05.980 Wow.

00:19:06.380 We pushed back on that.

00:19:08.460 And, uh, and, and, and so I, I sent an email to the head of the middle school because they

00:19:12.800 kept reminding us, you have to sign this, you have to sign this before the first day

00:19:15.940 of school.

00:19:16.580 And finally I sent an email saying, well, are you not going to let my daughter in school

00:19:20.320 if you don't sign it?

00:19:21.760 So finally we got on the phone and he was, you know, he really wasn't in the power to

00:19:25.680 make a decision.

00:19:26.320 He had to run it up the food chain and they came back and said, well, we need her to sign 0.99

00:19:30.860 it.

00:19:31.060 And I said, well, this is, you know, I pushed back and said, look, this is, this is blackmail.

00:19:35.740 This is exactly cancel culture. 0.98

00:19:37.720 You know, are you really serious?

00:19:38.560 This violates every principle that a school like really is supposed to stand for.

00:19:44.100 Um, and they backed off and said, okay, you don't have to sign it this year.

00:19:48.000 Uh, as long as you do the two required, every family has to do two required anti-racism training

00:19:55.480 sessions.

00:19:56.480 Um, so we said, okay, fine.

00:19:58.500 Now I know a lot of people signed it under protest and made that point clear, but I, as

00:20:04.580 far as I know, everybody, you know, most people said, well, probably everybody signed it.

00:20:07.260 We didn't, then they incorporated that language into the re-enrollment contract.

00:20:13.320 So it's not just for incoming kindergarten students and families, they put that language

00:20:19.600 and I, and I, and I saw that and, um, and we didn't re-enroll, obviously we were, you

00:20:23.660 know, pulling her out after the end of the year.

00:20:25.420 Uh, but we, I, you know, I, I very carefully compared the language in the enrollment contract

00:20:30.720 this year versus last year.

00:20:31.800 And there were two new sections.

00:20:32.800 Uh, one was about vaccination policy and one was about anti-racism.

00:20:38.000 Uh, and again, not just supporting it in the school, supporting it and teaching it in

00:20:43.440 the home.

00:20:44.260 Oh my God, how dare they, how dare they tell you what you, knowing of course, that this

00:20:50.560 is very controversial.

00:20:52.160 There is not uniformity of thought on this.

00:20:54.220 No, despite their best efforts and the schools like them, how dare they try to immerse themselves

00:21:00.920 in between you and your daughter in your home?

00:21:04.560 Um, yes.

00:21:06.380 And I've had people reach out to me in the last few weeks and say, Hey, you know, maybe

00:21:09.440 there's a legal angle to, to, to, you know, to, to try to fight that, you know, we did,

00:21:13.660 we're not, we're not re-enrolling her.

00:21:14.980 Um, but to go back to your question, you know, so, so we started talking to parents and again,

00:21:20.680 I know, you know, I had a sense for what, you know, there's a few constituents that were

00:21:24.840 very unhappy.

00:21:26.180 Um, and I know a few other people did speak up, but, but very few. 0.97

00:21:28.940 And then the message was, Oh, this is ridiculous.

00:21:30.720 This, especially after these anti-racism sessions we had to do in over zoom in the evening. 0.52

00:21:35.480 And, and, but everyone said, look, yeah, I should write a letter.

00:21:38.320 I should send an email.

00:21:39.580 I should call the school.

00:21:40.860 And then they never do.

00:21:42.180 And this is the, look, there's this pervasive fear, this cancel culture fear of doing two

00:21:47.720 things, right?

00:21:48.540 Fear of pissing off the school.

00:21:50.460 So they don't help you with these missions to either boarding school, you know, for high

00:21:54.220 school or for college admissions.

00:21:55.740 Nobody wants to piss off the school or the fear of losing your job.

00:22:00.180 Because if you work at a, you know, at a Goldman Sachs or a big law firm, you can not

00:22:05.020 speak out on this.

00:22:06.800 Um, and so we tried to talk to people all through the school year and could not try to

00:22:11.600 organize and look, organization during COVID times was virtually impossible.

00:22:16.380 No one was getting together.

00:22:17.600 Normally you talk about this stuff over dinner, over drinks, whatever.

00:22:20.500 Normally you'd have parents barge into the head of school's office while parents aren't

00:22:24.040 allowed in the school, right?

00:22:25.200 And haven't been for the last year.

00:22:26.960 So, uh, again, I think a lot of this doesn't happen absent COVID, but that's a separate

00:22:31.680 issue, but it, but it was just impossible to organize families. 0.92

00:22:35.400 And it was virtually impossible to get people to speak up because of the overriding cancel

00:22:40.120 culture.

00:22:40.720 So when we decided not to re-enroll her and, uh, and, and, and unfortunately it was an easy

00:22:46.620 decision, you know, as much as the really education is great.

00:22:50.520 And, and, and in a lot of ways it's still good as much as it's a status symbol, which

00:22:55.340 for a lot of parents, that's the primary reason that they're sending their kids to

00:22:59.040 these schools.

00:22:59.620 And as much as it's the feeder to, you know, Harvard and Princeton and Yale, in the end

00:23:04.420 of the day, it was an easy decision not to, not to send her back.

00:23:07.020 Cause I care deeply about education.

00:23:08.860 I care deeply about sort of this history and civics education that's being changed or eradicated

00:23:15.140 or some combination of both the most.

00:23:18.120 And so that's when we decided not to re-enroll her back for next year is when I said, you

00:23:22.480 know what, let me write this letter.

00:23:24.520 And, and, you know, the goal of the letter was not to change anybody's mind on this anti-racism

00:23:30.340 initiatives.

00:23:30.960 You know, it was not to educate anybody on what is going on.

00:23:33.780 Parents are very well aware.

00:23:35.300 Most parents are very well aware of what's going on.

00:23:37.480 It was simply to encourage other parents to speak up.

00:23:41.180 I said, look, I'm not personally, professionally cancelable.

00:23:44.460 We've already decided to not enroll her for next year and I can do this. 0.96

00:23:49.620 And someone has to do this was, was my, why are you not, why are you not cancelable?

00:23:54.140 How's that possible?

00:23:55.840 Um, so I've got, I've done a number of things in my background.

00:23:58.880 I was, I was, I've been, I've been described in many different ways in the press in the last

00:24:04.060 few weeks.

00:24:04.880 Um, I, I, I got involved with my family's business, so hopefully they won't fire me.

00:24:11.540 Um, I've actually been canceled.

00:24:14.600 I, one thing I do do, I got an email yesterday.

00:24:17.420 I have been, and I have not been very involved in the last couple of years, but for 10 or

00:24:22.360 12 years, I've been a, uh, advisor to MBA students at Columbia business school, where

00:24:26.820 I'm an alum, a career coach.

00:24:28.980 Uh, they started the program 10 or 12 years ago.

00:24:31.140 I was one of the original, uh, coaches and been doing it.

00:24:33.800 I, I've been very, I've not been very active in the last year or two.

00:24:38.060 Uh, but I got an email yesterday around five o'clock saying my, my, my services are no longer

00:24:42.840 required, uh, which, which was sort of expected.

00:24:46.060 So yeah, I got canceled in a very, very small way.

00:24:48.060 And they just said it was because I haven't been active, but, um, you know, I can, but that's

00:24:52.260 okay.

00:24:52.380 But, but professionally, I'm not cancelable.

00:24:55.340 I don't work at a big firm.

00:24:57.060 And, uh, you know, again, I, I, you know, a lot of people have said, and I appreciate

00:25:02.460 it and I get it, you know, you're courageous and brave, but.

00:25:06.100 You know, I, because I'm not cancelable.

00:25:08.120 And again, I know, you know, with Paul Rossi, who you had on the show, I think what he did

00:25:11.960 is, is much more courageous because he was cancelable.

00:25:15.520 And in fact, you know, was canceled.

00:25:18.120 Um, you know, he was risking his livelihood and his career.

00:25:20.940 And I think he'll wind up.

00:25:21.720 Okay.

00:25:22.020 It sounds like he will.

00:25:23.180 Um, but I wasn't.

00:25:24.020 So, you know, I just did what I thought.

00:25:26.340 But here's, here's the question.

00:25:27.840 Did, did you, did you, do you know where you're sending your daughter next year?

00:25:32.440 No, no, we're gonna, we're gonna try out, uh, some, some variation of homeschool.

00:25:38.980 No.

00:25:39.420 So, so like, let me just stop you there.

00:25:41.080 That then, then this is extremely brave too.

00:25:43.500 I mean, it was even without that, but like not having her place, not knowing where she'd

00:25:47.880 go.

00:25:48.540 Like, that is scary.

00:25:49.820 I, I've been there, you know, where it's like, all I know is I'm not sending them here.

00:25:54.500 Yeah.

00:25:54.860 My wife's a little stressed about it. 0.99

00:25:56.880 Yeah.

00:25:57.240 It's scary because you, you go from like this gold standard of education to, uh, we're going

00:26:03.180 to figure it out.

00:26:04.120 We're going to figure it out.

00:26:04.960 I know it's stressful a little bit, but you know, I, I have this dream.

00:26:09.220 I will talk about this.

00:26:09.960 I'm sure later is, you know, what, what, what we'll do next.

00:26:12.320 Um, but you know, starting a school is, is a possibility.

00:26:18.120 So one of the reasons you might not want to speak out if you're a parent in Andrew's

00:26:21.860 situation is you're worried about how it's going to affect your child, right?

00:26:25.380 Like what, what's going to happen to him or her.

00:26:28.080 We get into that next and you might be surprised at what Andrew's daughter said to him.

00:26:32.600 Don't go away.

00:26:33.180 I've had a number of schools reach out to me and said, Hey, we'd love, we'd love to

00:26:39.600 have your daughter.

00:26:40.200 What?

00:26:40.720 That's awesome.

00:26:42.040 Yeah, we'll be okay.

00:26:43.000 She'll be, look, my daughter will be okay.

00:26:45.100 Well, and she's learning that the most important thing is she's, she's learning.

00:26:50.020 She's seeing you stand up for what you believe in, for what you think is right.

00:26:54.520 And even though you're getting considerable blowback for it, it's hard for her.

00:26:58.960 I'm sure.

00:26:59.280 Cause she's still in the community.

00:27:01.120 Um, you know, it's complicated, but I think that's a lot of things.

00:27:03.160 I think the overall lesson to her is definitely a positive one.

00:27:06.420 In the end, I think it is.

00:27:07.320 And she's very supportive.

00:27:08.680 Look, I'll tell you, I'll tell you two things.

00:27:10.480 Uh, one, one, at the end of the day, this was her decision.

00:27:13.460 If she had wanted to stay, we absolutely would have let her stay.

00:27:17.080 We would have tried to fight this more quietly, you know, within the school, but she was supportive

00:27:22.140 of this did not make this decision for her.

00:27:23.960 This was a family decision.

00:27:25.560 The three of us, my wife, myself, and my daughter.

00:27:27.900 Now I'll tell you a little story, which is, uh, again, the teachers have been terrific at

00:27:32.920 the school since this has happened.

00:27:34.380 The administration, you know, I can say different things, but one of the things that the administration

00:27:39.300 did, which was a little bit nasty was to try to, in a letter that, that the head of school

00:27:44.420 sent me and I've been excommunicated from the school.

00:27:47.080 Actually.

00:27:47.620 Uh, I'm not, I'm off all emails.

00:27:50.980 I'm not supposed to contact anybody at the school.

00:27:53.540 I actually tried to send the head of school right when this happened, an email saying,

00:27:57.240 look, you know, as I know it's difficult as a human being, I know this is difficult for

00:28:01.580 you.

00:28:01.860 She was criticized in the press, really was criticized in the press.

00:28:05.160 So I tried to send that email and it bounced back.

00:28:07.520 So they, they don't even let me send emails.

00:28:09.360 Can you drop her off?

00:28:10.260 Are you, what happens if you show up?

00:28:12.460 She's actually remote.

00:28:13.820 Um, so, and I don't know, look, I think they wanted to kick her out and I think they couldn't

00:28:20.120 cause they'd get bad press.

00:28:21.060 I don't know what would have happened if she had been in person.

00:28:24.340 Um, there, you know, really has had the remote option this year.

00:28:27.580 I don't know what would have happened, but, but being her remote, it's been fine.

00:28:31.580 You know, you don't really know issues, but so, so, so my daughter of her own volition,

00:28:35.800 when this happened, after we got that letter from head of school in her own words, sent

00:28:41.740 an email to the head of the school and the head of the middle school.

00:28:44.240 And it was very strong.

00:28:45.020 And we actually had to tone it down because it was too strong for a 12 year old.

00:28:47.760 Oh my God.

00:28:47.920 Did she, did she, did she crib off of your letter? 1.00

00:28:51.240 Like, this is bullshit. 1.00

00:28:52.400 This is a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:28:53.900 Can you say bullshit? 1.00

00:28:54.640 She said, I used the term, I used the term in my letter and it was about, it was a minor 0.99

00:28:59.500 part of the letter about the, this consulting group Pollyanna that, uh, that I criticized

00:29:05.280 because I think I called them rent seeking charlatans, which they are, but I said something

00:29:08.760 in content and delivery.

00:29:09.860 They, they fail the letter that the head of school sent them, which became public to the

00:29:15.240 entire community took those words in content and delivery.

00:29:19.460 Andrew's letter failed.

00:29:21.200 My daughter used those same words, which I thought was funny.

00:29:25.500 We, we, we, we told her that we, we told her you got to tone it down.

00:29:28.300 It's a little inappropriate from a 12 year old, but her message was, I agree with my dad.

00:29:33.820 I support what he did and I'm really proud for that.

00:29:38.580 He stood up for what he believed in and my daughter got a, I think it was like a four

00:29:43.540 word response.

00:29:44.640 Glad you're okay.

00:29:45.800 That was it.

00:29:46.340 That's, that's, I mean, for them, that's brave.

00:29:49.260 We can criticize the administration.

00:29:50.580 Exactly.

00:29:50.920 You know, you're, you know, you're good.

00:29:52.540 Um, all right, so let's get into the letter.

00:29:54.360 So it's addressed to fellow Brearley parents, which is interesting.

00:29:58.340 And you, you sent it to all 600 plus families at the, at the school, the entire, it's like

00:30:04.820 every, okay.

00:30:05.740 So 656 families.

00:30:08.320 I have the paper cuts to prove it.

00:30:09.780 That was the hardest thing with stuffing those envelopes.

00:30:11.820 My daughter wouldn't help, but my wife helped a little bit. 0.84

00:30:13.780 My daughter refused.

00:30:14.560 She was too busy, but yeah, you know, you know, there's a rumor.

00:30:17.680 Someone called me up that first day or two.

00:30:19.460 There was a rumor that was floating around that I only sent it to the white parents, which

00:30:23.340 was absurd.

00:30:24.000 Oh God.

00:30:24.640 I sent it.

00:30:25.380 I will be very frank.

00:30:26.500 I sent it to every single family, save three that happened to have, uh, overseas addresses

00:30:32.620 in the system.

00:30:33.600 And I just didn't want to deal with the post-its for overseas.

00:30:35.600 So 656 letters went out to every single family address to both parents that, that in and of

00:30:42.000 itself, trying to everybody, but I mean, people have asked, how did you get the list?

00:30:44.920 Everybody had access to it.

00:30:46.280 Um, I mean, we all have a school directory and, and I assume to the administration as well.

00:30:51.380 Yes.

00:30:51.780 I did not send it to the administration.

00:30:53.580 Oh, I only sent it to the administration.

00:30:55.300 We have access to the administration.

00:30:56.520 Yes.

00:30:56.920 And teachers, but I only sent it to the parents, not to the kids, to the parents addressed to

00:31:02.080 both parents.

00:31:03.420 And I, you know, I, you know, people have asked why didn't you know, why to email it?

00:31:07.300 I look, I thought, I thought this was appropriate as a letter.

00:31:10.040 Um, and then, uh, you know, the reaction came really reacted, but yeah, just to bring it,

00:31:17.660 uh, into view for the audience.

00:31:20.140 Um, I'm just going to read a little bit of it here and there.

00:31:22.040 Dear fellow Brearley parents.

00:31:24.000 Um, we're not re-enrolling our daughter.

00:31:25.920 She's been at Brearley for seven years, beginning in kindergarten.

00:31:28.640 You're more articulate than my short form there, but bear with me.

00:31:31.600 Um, in short, we no longer believe that Brearley's administration and board of trustees have any

00:31:37.200 of our children's best interests at heart.

00:31:39.020 Moreover, we no longer have confidence that our daughter will receive the quality of education

00:31:42.340 necessary to further her development into a critically thinking, responsible, enlightened,

00:31:46.060 and civic minded adult.

00:31:48.160 Yeah.

00:31:48.620 I write to you as a parent to share our reasons for going.

00:31:50.580 And I urge you to act paragraph.

00:31:52.160 It cannot be stated strongly enough that Brearley's obsession with race must stop.

00:31:57.880 It should be abundantly clear to any thinking parent that Brearley has completely lost its

00:32:02.120 way.

00:32:02.960 The administration and the board have displayed a cowardly and appalling lack of leadership

00:32:07.840 by appeasing an anti-intellectual, illiberal mob, and then allowing the school to be captured

00:32:13.740 by that same mob.

00:32:15.400 While followers are my personal views, I know other parents have expressed them too.

00:32:18.240 Paragraph.

00:32:19.000 I object to the view that I should be judged by the color of my skin.

00:32:22.220 I cannot tolerate a school that not only judges my daughter by the color of her skin, but

00:32:26.340 encourages and instructs her to prejudge others by theirs.

00:32:31.060 By viewing every element of education, every aspect of history, and every facet of society

00:32:35.320 through the lens of skin color and race, we are desecrating the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther

00:32:39.480 King Jr. and utterly violating the movement for which such civil rights leaders believed,

00:32:45.480 fought, and died.

00:32:47.440 I mean, that is like, it's strong and it's true.

00:32:51.300 And I think a lot of us who have been dealing with this for a long time were cheering when

00:32:56.900 we read that, Andrew.

00:32:58.200 I mean, can you just talk about how it manifested when you talk about their obsession with race?

00:33:03.520 We know about the contracts you just mentioned, but why use the word obsession with race?

00:33:08.100 It seemed like, again, I can't speak to what is going on in the school.

00:33:12.280 I hear what's going on.

00:33:13.700 You see these Zoom sessions.

00:33:15.020 You know they're having all these diversity, equity, inclusion, assemblies, this stuff for

00:33:21.040 parents.

00:33:22.200 There was a Zoom at the very beginning of the school year talking about their new initiatives

00:33:26.720 where they basically said, we're going to incorporate this anti-racism training into

00:33:31.460 every aspect of the school, every class.

00:33:35.680 It's not just history, right?

00:33:37.320 It's not just the classical literature curriculum.

00:33:39.560 It's integrating it into every aspect of the school.

00:33:42.500 And I hear stories from my daughter.

00:33:44.280 Again, I'm not observing, even though she's remote, I don't observe what she's learning.

00:33:47.880 I've never done that.

00:33:49.060 But she tells the stories all the time.

00:33:51.560 I mean, everything they're talking about is race-related.

00:33:56.620 And again, it has to stop.

00:33:59.560 We're not saying we shouldn't talk about diversity.

00:34:02.360 We're not saying we shouldn't talk about racism.

00:34:04.940 We're not saying we shouldn't highlight civil rights leaders.

00:34:09.160 But this is absolutely an obsession, really, and a lot of other schools.

00:34:15.580 Now, you go on to say a lot of really smart and indisputable things in here.

00:34:20.440 The part that I think got you in trouble, if there was trouble, is the next part.

00:34:26.540 Yeah.

00:34:26.780 Systemic racism.

00:34:27.600 Where you say, reading again, I object to the charge of systemic racism in the country

00:34:32.460 and at our school.

00:34:33.680 Systemic racism, properly understood, is segregated schools and separate lunch counters.

00:34:38.000 It is the interning of Japanese and the extermination of Jews.

00:34:42.660 Systemic racism is unequivocally not a small number of isolated incidents over a period of

00:34:47.900 decades.

00:34:48.780 Ask any girl of any race if they have ever experienced insults from friends, have ever felt

00:34:52.560 slighted by teachers, or suffered the occasional injustice from a school at which they've spent

00:34:57.700 up to 13 years of their life, and you're bound to hear grievances and some petty, some

00:35:01.620 not.

00:35:03.420 I'm just going to continue shortly.

00:35:05.560 We've not had systemic racism against Blacks in this country since the civil rights reforms

00:35:09.400 of the 60s, a period of more than 50 years.

00:35:11.320 To state otherwise is a flat-out misrepresentation of our country's history and adds no understanding

00:35:16.440 to any of today's societal issues.

00:35:18.120 If anything, long-standing and widespread policies such as affirmative action point in

00:35:23.060 precisely the opposite direction.

00:35:26.120 I object to a definition of systemic racism, apparently supported by Brearley, that any educational,

00:35:31.060 professional, or societal outcome where Blacks are underrepresented is prima facie evidence

00:35:35.980 of the aforementioned systemic racism or of white supremacy and oppression. 0.58

00:35:41.820 So let me just tell you a story.

00:35:43.320 I know a dad, a Brearley dad, who is, I think, with us on being anti-woke, reasonable guy,

00:35:49.920 very successful guy here in Manhattan, and he got your letter.

00:35:53.740 And he's on your team.

00:35:55.980 But this was the part that made him say, I'm not going to publicly come out and support this

00:36:00.960 in any way because I don't want to sign on to that.

00:36:03.420 That pissed too many people off and was too diminishing of the country's history to the

00:36:10.660 point where I just, I can't give him a thumbs up on this.

00:36:13.700 I can't do something to say I support the letter.

00:36:16.020 Did you, did you hear much of that in response?

00:36:18.120 And do you have any regrets about what you wrote there?

00:36:20.980 Well, look, I, I, I've heard that obviously.

00:36:22.840 And I, and I'm aware that's the part that, that's been, you know, criticized the most.

00:36:26.920 I stand by what I said and, you know, and I'll address that.

00:36:29.520 And I actually wrote a follow-up.

00:36:30.460 It hasn't been made public where I, where I address that a little bit more.

00:36:33.600 Um, yeah, look, I, if, if, if that is what, and that's news to me that people have, I

00:36:38.860 know people have said, you know, they don't necessarily agree with that.

00:36:41.600 If that's a reason that a lot of people didn't stand up for that, then, you know, maybe I

00:36:48.740 could say I regret that in the, in, in the sense that I agree with what I wrote, but if

00:36:53.260 it was less effective, I've had a lot of people at Brearley and elsewhere say, you know,

00:36:59.220 we may not agree with everything.

00:37:00.580 And this is why I wanted to go strong on a lot of these issues.

00:37:04.280 They, it's okay to say, we don't agree with everything.

00:37:06.920 My letter was not about race.

00:37:08.880 In my opinion, it was about the inability to have discussions about race and more broadly

00:37:15.520 about the indoctrination.

00:37:17.440 So I don't view this as about race, but superficially people thought it was about race.

00:37:22.720 Um, I think it's an example of like, this is your opinion.

00:37:26.140 And a lot of people share your opinion.

00:37:27.860 I think if I had Glenn Lowry on this show, he might say a lot of the same things that

00:37:31.340 you're saying.

00:37:31.760 And I've had him on the show.

00:37:32.940 Um, not, not, not perhaps exactly, but, but close.

00:37:36.460 Yeah.

00:37:36.780 I had just read, I had recently read Shelby Steele.

00:37:39.520 I was just going to say Shelby Steele, White Gilt, all of that.

00:37:42.140 I'm sure.

00:37:42.640 Right.

00:37:42.760 I had read that recently.

00:37:43.740 Um, and, and that I, I, I was very impressed with, with, with that.

00:37:48.220 But like, to your point, you're entitled to this opinion.

00:37:51.120 This is your opinion.

00:37:51.960 And this, this is the opinion you're not allowed to share.

00:37:56.740 It's, it's so controversial and hot button and toxic to put it in there because no one's

00:38:01.680 hearing that because you can't put Shelby Steele on TV.

00:38:06.020 You can't talk about Glenn Lowry.

00:38:07.500 Paul Rossi got, he got told when he said, let's bring Glenn Lowry to the school and

00:38:11.860 have him talk to, you know, our students, the, the, the head of school was like, can't

00:38:15.640 you find a white person who's going to say all this?

00:38:17.600 Cause cause to have a black man saying this, um, you know, it could be a particular problem, 0.92

00:38:21.420 meaning he's going to be too effective. 0.89

00:38:23.560 Yeah.

00:38:24.160 Well, so let me say a few things about this systemic racism.

00:38:26.680 One is I think people who read it superficially were, were assuming I'm saying there's no racism

00:38:31.540 in this country.

00:38:32.300 That's absurd.

00:38:33.100 I mean, I thought that was so obvious and a point that I didn't need to address that.

00:38:36.140 Of course it's racism in the country.

00:38:38.940 What I was trying to get at is the way, and that's the next paragraph that you, you know,

00:38:42.660 you read the way that this critical race theory movement is describing systemic race and their

00:38:49.340 definition and their masters, by the way, at redefining and co-opting these words, right?

00:38:54.700 If you're not anti-racist to racist, the systemic racism, which even, you know, Biden has, has

00:39:00.040 talked about lately.

00:39:00.960 Um, I, I, I vehemently disagree that again, what I wrote any outcome where there's not

00:39:07.000 a, you know, equality of outcome, which you addressed a little bit earlier is racism.

00:39:12.680 No, that is not systemic racism or institutional racism.

00:39:16.540 So I vehemently disagree with that definition.

00:39:19.660 Um, I'm not saying there's no racism in this country.

00:39:21.920 That would be absurd, but I was arguing the principle that no, what, what we are, we have

00:39:26.680 been fed in the last few years, you know, in the media, uh, with the assumption now that

00:39:32.800 people have just, you know, taken in that, that we live in this society with systemic

00:39:37.660 racism.

00:39:38.000 I disagree with, um, but again, what, what, what, let me ask you about the sentence.

00:39:42.040 Systemic racism is not a small number of isolated incidents over a period of decades.

00:39:48.380 What's that a reference to?

00:39:49.460 So, okay.

00:39:49.700 So, so we're, we're a lot, you talked about this, I think in collegiate, um, there was

00:39:54.960 a black at Brearley Instagram group that, uh, that, and then they, yeah, they, they, um, 0.76

00:40:04.180 then, uh, wrote a letter to the head of school.

00:40:06.660 And that was a lot of the impetus for a lot of these changes of Brearley, or apparently

00:40:10.240 it was, I don't know.

00:40:11.440 And so I went through that and there's, I don't know how many there are, uh, dozens,

00:40:15.600 maybe, maybe less than a hundred, I think, but somewhere of, of people who wrote in mostly

00:40:19.760 anonymously about their experiences.

00:40:21.540 They didn't say when most of them, they were in school.

00:40:23.840 Some of them are close decades.

00:40:24.840 Some of them are more recent.

00:40:26.220 And I, so I read through them all, uh, before I wrote the letter and look, I am not saying

00:40:31.560 there haven't been instances of race.

00:40:33.640 So you're not talking about the United States there.

00:40:35.760 You're talking about the public complaints made about Brearley.

00:40:39.860 Right.

00:40:40.260 So, so one of them was, and I'll pick a few, you know, one of them was, well, my, my, in

00:40:44.200 kindergarten, everyone wanted to play with my hair.

00:40:46.120 Now I had a, I had a mom of a first grader call me the day the letter became, uh, they,

00:40:51.120 they should receive the letter and said, and she brought it up to me.

00:40:54.340 I didn't bring it up.

00:40:55.200 She had also gone through that, that black and Brearley Instagram page said in kindergarten,

00:40:59.580 that's all the girls did is play with each other's hair. 1.00

00:41:03.540 Didn't nothing to do with it.

00:41:04.560 It's true.

00:41:05.320 There was another, there was, there was two other, I'll, I'll pick out just, you know,

00:41:08.760 to be brief.

00:41:09.200 There were, there were two comments, uh, on the black and Brearley.

00:41:11.740 One person saying, I got into like 11 Ivy league and equivalent type of schools, you

00:41:19.300 know, something like that.

00:41:20.860 Um, but people, but, but people said, you know, I only got in because of my skin color

00:41:25.260 and affirmative action.

00:41:26.960 Somebody else said, well, because I was black, the guidance counselors or the career counselors

00:41:32.760 told me not to apply to any Ivy league schools.

00:41:35.340 Okay.

00:41:35.820 Well, how can they both together?

00:41:38.080 They're completely opposites, right?

00:41:39.860 How can they both together be evidence of systemic racism?

00:41:43.440 They can't.

00:41:43.840 By the way, there's zero chance.

00:41:45.600 Anybody ever told a black girl that, that really zero.

00:41:47.960 I agree.

00:41:48.440 He said that's a lie. 0.99

00:41:49.800 I'm just going to call bullshit on that right now. 0.99

00:41:51.940 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:52.240 And that's the problem.

00:41:52.900 I don't want to go that far.

00:41:53.880 Really? 0.98

00:41:54.720 Yeah, no, but that's the problem with these black, it really black, it's black, wherever 1.00

00:41:57.780 because in the law, the lawyer in me would say we wouldn't allow these claims into 0.86

00:42:02.440 court in any way, shape or form.

00:42:03.780 Certainly not as a claim because they're untimely, but not even as evidence.

00:42:08.100 You wouldn't even be allowed to tell that story on the stand in anybody's trial as like

00:42:11.740 evidence of a pattern because they are so out of time and so unsupported.

00:42:16.400 There is no way of understanding whether they are reliable.

00:42:19.200 Anybody can get on there and post something.

00:42:21.040 I mean, who knows whether these are real accounts or not?

00:42:24.280 Who knows whether race was really behind this stuff or not?

00:42:27.160 There's no way with the passage of time for us to have any way of following up and figuring

00:42:32.300 it out.

00:42:32.880 So but but instead, the schools take these and the people and proponents of critical

00:42:37.660 race theory take them as gospel.

00:42:41.060 They said it.

00:42:41.960 And so it must happen.

00:42:43.220 And even now, I mean, one of the ones that was listed in one of the rebuttals to your

00:42:45.900 letter was an example of and some of them are obviously racist.

00:42:49.520 I mean, no one's going to dispute that some of the stuff that were put on there if it

00:42:52.620 happened, in fact, was 100 percent racist.

00:42:54.880 But but here's just an example that's so like, wait, what?

00:42:57.680 Well, a black student's mother was called into a private meeting for which she had to 1.00

00:43:01.980 take a day off of work to be told that her daughter was speaking too much in class. 0.84

00:43:05.840 That's racism because we're supposed to believe that black people, black children are not 0.98

00:43:10.980 capable of controlling the amount they speak. 0.98

00:43:14.860 And so they should be allowed to dominate the class, to talk over the teacher, to talk

00:43:18.800 over others.

00:43:19.640 And if you object to that, that's your white supremacy.

00:43:22.700 This is actually a strain I'm seeing in a lot of the critical race theory reporting

00:43:26.100 right now at the K through 12 and the college education levels.

00:43:29.240 This is how nuts it is that for the school to say, can you try to get her to dial it back?

00:43:34.380 And there's no way that teachers hadn't tried to handle this first with her.

00:43:37.520 You don't go to the administration and call on the parent until it's become an ongoing

00:43:40.180 issue.

00:43:40.940 It's out of the teacher's control.

00:43:42.280 So anyway, these black at whatever school Instagram accounts are in some ways illuminating,

00:43:49.540 but in other ways, totally useless because there's no way of testing any of the assertions.

00:43:54.460 That's correct.

00:43:55.160 I agree with that.

00:43:55.820 And like you said, look, some of them are racism, but that is not systemic racism.

00:44:01.200 And that was the point I was trying to make.

00:44:03.440 There is no evidence of systemic racism in a really zero, in my opinion.

00:44:08.000 Now, you want to disagree?

00:44:08.920 Fine.

00:44:09.820 I don't believe there's systemic racism in this country if you use the correct definition

00:44:15.040 or institutional racism, if you use the correct definition.

00:44:18.320 But you can argue that and you can disagree with that.

00:44:21.220 That is fine.

00:44:22.240 The bigger point here is in this country, on a bunch of issues, race, certainly, we are

00:44:29.140 not able to have discussions of this.

00:44:32.080 Someone immediately puts their finger in their ears and cries racist, right?

00:44:37.100 Democracy doesn't work fundamentally if we can't have discussions of these kind of important

00:44:43.640 issues.

00:44:44.120 It just doesn't work.

00:44:45.160 And that's where we are on race, you know, the third rail, right? 0.78

00:44:49.000 And on a whole lot of other topics.

00:44:50.860 So, yeah, look, I know I was criticized for the systemic racism.

00:44:53.380 I stand by what I wrote properly understood.

00:44:56.440 Again, not saying there isn't racism, but saying, look, I think the definition of systemic

00:45:00.680 racism that is used by these critical race theories that has now become adopted by the

00:45:06.620 media and the president and, you know, and everyone thinks it's the case.

00:45:11.780 I disagree.

00:45:13.200 Vehement.

00:45:14.060 OK, let's discuss it.

00:45:16.340 Well, you so and right.

00:45:17.300 And you and you can't write exactly.

00:45:18.760 You can't.

00:45:19.100 So so that you go on to say.

00:45:21.620 And I thought this was actually a very interesting and good point.

00:45:24.420 Um, you say I object to mandatory anti-racism training for parents and this that you called

00:45:30.740 it, especially when presented by the rent seeking charlatans of Pollyanna.

00:45:34.260 Pollyanna is deeply problematic.

00:45:36.300 Whatever the words you use, it's deeply problematic.

00:45:38.400 And if it's at your kid's school, you better do some Googling ASAP.

00:45:41.160 Um, I object to Brearley's vacuous, inappropriate and fanatical use of words such as equity,

00:45:47.420 diversity, diversity and inclusiveness.

00:45:49.740 And then you say this.

00:45:50.980 If Brearley's administration was truly concerned about so-called equity, it would be discussing

00:45:55.100 the cessation of admin admissions preferences for legacies, siblings and those families with

00:46:02.060 especially deep pockets.

00:46:04.160 You said the thing out loud, Andrew.

00:46:06.840 You said the thing out loud that you're not.

00:46:08.540 You're not allowed to say that thing out loud.

00:46:10.480 You know, what we really, I forget if I wrote this, but you know, I did write this. 0.99

00:46:14.120 This is where I call the bullshit. 0.99

00:46:15.780 They keep saying over and over. 0.99

00:46:17.180 We get these daily, you know, weekly or month or whatever they are, you know, emails from

00:46:20.760 the DEI committee, diversity, equity, inclusion committee.

00:46:23.600 They used to be one page emails.

00:46:24.900 Now they're 15 page emails about all the events they're doing and everything you should do at

00:46:28.420 home and what books you should read.

00:46:30.060 Um, and they always say over and over, we want you to have, and we want to have these difficult

00:46:36.140 and challenging discussions.

00:46:39.060 Courageous conversations. 1.00

00:46:40.480 Bullshit. 1.00

00:46:41.420 Right. 1.00

00:46:41.940 Complete authority.

00:46:43.220 Right. 1.00

00:46:43.640 Complete bullshit. 1.00

00:46:44.940 You know, they don't want to, they're playing lip service. 1.00

00:46:47.680 They see this black kid.

00:46:48.480 Really?

00:46:48.920 What can we do?

00:46:49.620 Let's bring in Pollyanna. 1.00

00:46:50.980 We don't have to do the hard work.

00:46:52.880 Right.

00:46:53.300 We'll bring in Pollyanna. 1.00

00:46:54.540 We'll, um, you know, we'll have some mandatory training for teachers and for, and for parents.

00:47:00.200 And we'll put this in the curriculum.

00:47:01.780 They're not asking the hard questions.

00:47:03.320 Why, why?

00:47:03.800 Let's talk about why are there racial discrepancies, you know, socioeconomically?

00:47:07.140 Why, why did I think I read to this week, only eight blacks get into Stuyvesant, you know,

00:47:11.220 very, very difficult to get into test-based admission, uh, you know, in, in high school

00:47:15.860 for New York city.

00:47:17.240 Let's talk about the real issue, right?

00:47:19.460 They, they don't want to do that.

00:47:20.940 They do not want to do that at all.

00:47:24.520 Um, they, you know, they, they, they're not taking it.

00:47:26.400 If they didn't, if they didn't give such a preference for the little sisters of the

00:47:30.960 existing students, uh, of the legacies, meaning like the children of Brearley, you know,

00:47:36.380 alums, um, they'd have more spots for the underprivileged, for children of color who might

00:47:42.280 not otherwise get into Brearley.

00:47:43.600 Do it.

00:47:44.600 Let's see you do it.

00:47:45.620 We can't wait.

00:47:46.780 And, and the thing is they won't because that's where the money starts to dry up.

00:47:51.440 That's like, they want money.

00:47:53.060 They want alums. 0.80

00:47:54.020 They want to take both of your girls instead of just one of your girl. 1.00

00:47:57.060 Cause that's more tuition and that's more loyalty to Brearley and more donations.

00:48:00.680 Because let me tell you, I mean, I can speak to this and I'm sure you can too.

00:48:03.820 As a parent, the New York city private school system, they don't just want your 54, $57,000

00:48:08.760 tuition a year.

00:48:09.700 They want extra.

00:48:11.560 And as soon as you get in, they hit you up for additional donations and they, they might

00:48:16.400 even put a number on it.

00:48:17.320 They might even say, may we suggest a donation of X?

00:48:20.800 And let me tell you, X is big.

00:48:22.720 It's a big number.

00:48:23.600 It can be way more than the tuition.

00:48:26.080 So there's pressure for you to donate.

00:48:27.940 And the way they, the way they work the pressure is to buy, is by like suggesting that there's

00:48:33.880 loyalty between you and the school.

00:48:35.360 Right?

00:48:35.720 So they're not going to say no to the siblings.

00:48:37.700 They're not going to say no to the legacies, like the little kids who are the, you know,

00:48:40.760 the children of alums.

00:48:42.140 And until they start doing that, they should really stop lecturing the rest of us.

00:48:46.700 I couldn't agree more.

00:48:48.100 I couldn't.

00:48:48.700 I really went through a whole building campaign.

00:48:50.420 They built a new building that opened about a year ago.

00:48:53.400 So there was an, and we're not, we're not that high net worth that we were asked to donate

00:48:57.800 a whole lot of money.

00:48:58.840 But yeah, I mean, this is, these are fundraising organizations.

00:49:02.360 And one thing I've realized, this is a broader point, was that, you know, these institutions,

00:49:06.460 and you see how they, what, you know, after the, after the press of my letter, you know,

00:49:10.680 how they, they, they come together.

00:49:12.800 They're all about protecting the institution.

00:49:15.480 This is not about the children.

00:49:17.180 This is not about education.

00:49:18.540 This is about protecting the institution.

00:49:21.180 That's what these schools are about.

00:49:23.480 Up next, we're going to talk about how other parents at Brearley reacted to Andrew's very

00:49:28.220 public letter and also the COVID restrictions going on there.

00:49:32.680 And also just recommended by the CDC for your child.

00:49:35.420 If he or she is planning on going to camp this summer, have you seen these?

00:49:38.940 I'm on a tear.

00:49:40.120 I can't believe what they want us to do.

00:49:43.860 And no, I'm not doing it.

00:49:46.120 I'm not.

00:49:46.920 And if you haven't heard of it, you're going to hear it next.

00:49:49.060 So stay tuned for that.

00:49:50.260 But first we're going to bring you a feature we have here on the show called real talk,

00:49:54.000 which is just a chance to talk about anything I want to talk about.

00:49:56.480 I miss my show.

00:49:57.000 I guess I can do that even without labeling it real talk.

00:49:59.720 But that's what we're going to do here.

00:50:01.440 I just want to take a moment and say a word about the vaccines.

00:50:04.760 Doug and I both got vaccinated this past weekend, the first half.

00:50:08.420 So we originally were going to go and you got to understand because I know I posted this

00:50:12.960 on Twitter. 0.98

00:50:13.400 I did not pose one of the what I call the dumbass pictures of myself getting vaccinated. 0.98

00:50:17.140 It's such a virtue signaling thing to do. 1.00

00:50:19.140 I don't need to see you get the damn shot in your arm. 1.00

00:50:21.580 I did not post that, but it did happen. 0.99

00:50:23.200 Um, and Doug and I originally were going to get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and I did

00:50:28.040 ask my doctor.

00:50:28.800 I said, is that cool?

00:50:30.660 Especially for women who are of childbearing age.

00:50:33.500 I don't think that includes a 50 year old, but technically I guess, you know, before the

00:50:39.400 change comes, I'm still able.

00:50:48.540 Um, anyway, he says, fine, no problem.

00:50:52.180 You can get it.

00:50:52.860 And you should talk to your own doctor, right?

00:50:54.080 Because if you've got blood clotting issues and so on, maybe you get a different recommendation.

00:50:57.020 But our, our doc said to go for it.

00:50:59.160 So we show up.

00:51:00.400 Abby, of course, who runs my life, gives me a printed out piece of paper from CVS, right?

00:51:06.260 She is, she's so, she's upset still, it says Megan Kelly, Doug Brunt, CVS, our address

00:51:12.780 of our CVS right around the corner, Johnson and Johnson, 11 o'clock.

00:51:16.700 So we go, I go to the, the, the pharmacist, you like the little counter.

00:51:21.140 And I'm like, yeah, we're here for the vaccine.

00:51:23.000 And the guy's looking at me like, what?

00:51:24.860 I'm like, here, we have this paper saying that we're, you know, we're supposed to be

00:51:28.860 here for the vaccine.

00:51:29.980 And the guy looks at it, he goes, I don't understand this.

00:51:32.400 I'm like, why not?

00:51:33.260 He said, not only do we not offer the vaccine here, we've never offered the vaccine here

00:51:39.980 ever.

00:51:41.080 And so I didn't, Johnson and Johnson or any other.

00:51:43.820 And I have, first I'm thinking, he must not be a fan.

00:51:49.680 Is there like some secret vaccine counter for the liberals?

00:51:55.940 Anyway, it turns out it was true.

00:51:58.500 And so I'm like, oh, great.

00:52:00.280 So now I got to scramble because we really just want to get it over with.

00:52:03.800 I want the vaccine.

00:52:05.080 I'm sure vaccine passports are coming. 0.94

00:52:07.160 And I definitely want to be able to travel to places like Europe and inside the United 0.97

00:52:11.280 States that won't let me in without a damn vaccine passport, which I'm opposed to. 0.96

00:52:15.700 But I also want the vaccine. 0.98

00:52:16.660 I will tell you, honestly, even if they weren't going to require that, I'm pro-vax.

00:52:20.280 I was going to get the vaccine all along.

00:52:22.560 And I never really wavered in that.

00:52:25.460 And my doctor has been very pro-vaccine.

00:52:27.780 I trust him.

00:52:28.780 So that's my decision.

00:52:29.580 I don't judge anybody who doesn't do it.

00:52:31.480 You know, you do you.

00:52:32.620 But I want it.

00:52:33.760 So we got an appointment at the CVS in Midtown.

00:52:35.820 And we went in and we got the first half of the Pfizer vaccine.

00:52:38.900 And for whatever it's worth, and it may be worth nothing to you, it was a nothing.

00:52:43.260 Now, some of the side effects are supposed to come after the second dose.

00:52:45.620 So we'll see my arm hurt for like a day, mildly same for Doug was fine.

00:52:51.160 I felt better after getting it.

00:52:52.740 I had a nice small talk with the guy who gave me the shot.

00:52:54.600 And with the people who were also getting the shot, there was a guy from Israel who was

00:52:58.380 bitching that he got it. 0.96

00:52:59.360 He didn't want to get it, but his wife made him.

00:53:01.860 But ultimately, he did it. 0.99

00:53:03.060 You got to remember, New York is just New York got leveled by this damn thing leveled. 0.98

00:53:07.440 And so people here are still masked up everywhere you go. 0.97

00:53:10.420 And I guess I sort of also feel a responsibility living in New York to do it.

00:53:13.860 I will say for the record, I have zero concerns about what's going to happen to me long term.

00:53:18.260 My feeling on it is if there's some long term awful thing that comes from these vaccines, 0.97

00:53:22.320 then the same damn scientists at Pfizer and Moderna and elsewhere who came up with these 0.94

00:53:26.080 great vaccines are going to come up with a fix because American science is still the 0.98

00:53:30.040 greatest science in the world.

00:53:32.600 Like there's a reason we are bathing in all these vaccines and nobody else is.

00:53:36.680 Nobody else has what we have.

00:53:37.820 We got it first.

00:53:38.660 We got it.

00:53:39.260 We got it fast.

00:53:40.000 We got it right.

00:53:40.580 And if we didn't, if it turns out long term, there's a problem.

00:53:43.980 They're going to fix it right now.

00:53:45.660 We need the vaccine.

00:53:46.460 We need it to get back to life.

00:53:47.960 People are dying.

00:53:49.300 Even young people, even though the risk is minuscule that you will die from COVID if you

00:53:54.240 were under the age of 80, people have died from it.

00:53:57.800 You just never know.

00:53:58.740 Even young people.

00:54:00.000 So why not?

00:54:01.400 Right.

00:54:01.660 If you're if you're really afraid of the vaccines, talk to your doctor. 1.00

00:54:04.380 Don't go on fucking YouTube. 1.00

00:54:06.680 Go talk to your doctor. 1.00

00:54:07.780 That's a person you've entrusted with your skit, with your life, your well-being.

00:54:12.400 Same thing for your kids. 0.99

00:54:13.620 Ask your pediatrician what they think.

00:54:15.180 Don't listen to cable news or any other pundits tell you whether to get it or not to get it.

00:54:21.600 OK, that's it.

00:54:23.580 That's all I got.

00:54:24.160 Just want to tell you that I got the first dose.

00:54:25.600 So did Doug. 0.99

00:54:26.240 I've already lost my little damn card. 0.99

00:54:28.300 Of course. 0.99

00:54:29.800 Literally, of course.

00:54:31.100 What's the story with that?

00:54:32.140 Like, no, you need to travel.

00:54:33.380 You just said it.

00:54:34.120 Well, can't I?

00:54:35.000 Don't they give me.

00:54:35.740 Doug and I say, we're like, of course.

00:54:37.080 Oh, I texted Doug saying, did you do you have my card?

00:54:40.060 He never texted me back.

00:54:41.100 Because he called me.

00:54:42.060 He was like, we can't.

00:54:42.860 We have no card.

00:54:45.280 They shouldn't have entrusted me with that.

00:54:47.060 I should have said, could you mail that directly to Abigail Finan?

00:54:49.580 I should have gone with you.

00:54:51.060 Well, now what?

00:54:51.900 Like, can I get the second shot?

00:54:53.660 I don't have a TBD.

00:54:55.460 We have to tell everybody.

00:54:57.220 Yeah.

00:54:58.240 We have to find out.

00:54:59.300 Well, don't be like me.

00:55:00.720 I think you already know that in life.

00:55:02.860 Keep your card.

00:55:03.840 Keep your card.

00:55:04.580 Or give it to somebody reliable.

00:55:06.260 I didn't even take a screenshot of it.

00:55:08.200 Oh, I'm in the system.

00:55:09.520 They're going to figure it out.

00:55:10.860 I have faith.

00:55:12.280 I have faith in the vaccine and my doctor and in CVS.

00:55:15.920 Not the one right around the corner from me, which is putting out misinformation on its

00:55:18.980 appointments and vaccine availability.

00:55:20.760 But the one in Midtown Manhattan, I trust.

00:55:22.540 All right.

00:55:23.060 Long winded.

00:55:23.640 But there you go for whatever it's worth.

00:55:25.400 And now, after this break, back to Andrew.

00:55:34.460 The discussion that we're having reminds me of the NBA in China.

00:55:38.220 They're wonderful about virtue signaling when it comes to Black Lives Matter and then messages

00:55:42.400 on the court and on the players' jerseys and so on.

00:55:44.200 But when it comes to money, like cold, hard cash that they're getting from China, they won't say a word.

00:55:52.740 They don't want to talk about it.

00:55:53.860 Just go back and listen to my podcast with Mark Cuban, if you don't believe me.

00:55:57.560 Didn't want to talk about it at all because that's cash out of the pocket.

00:56:02.460 And now what they're starting to learn as people revolt against all this nonsense and wokeness in the NBA and all these other sports, it's costing them money.

00:56:11.000 Even Coke, they've gone non-woke now.

00:56:13.660 They went out in the woke train, and there's a great piece on National Review about how they've gone non-woke not long after they put themselves on that train because they're losing business.

00:56:23.480 And they fired their general counsel who'd been pushing a lot of it.

00:56:26.400 And the new general counsel is like, we'll see whether we're going to do any of that in the future.

00:56:30.820 So there's a commercial cost if parents like you, if people who object to what the NBA did, to what Coke did, stand up.

00:56:38.580 And that's why they just try to get out of bounds by pushing it back on you as saying, racist, racist, we're not, you are, bye.

00:56:45.640 Okay, let me shift gears and talk about the reaction now.

00:56:47.920 So you send this out and you get, like you said, you get a reaction from, among others.

00:56:53.880 Well, first, let's talk about the head of school, Jane Freed.

00:56:56.700 It says, your letter was deeply offensive and harmful.

00:57:00.280 And I quote, this afternoon, I and others who work closely with upper school students met with more than 100 of them, many of whom told us that they felt frightened and intimidated by the letter and the fact that it was sent directly to our homes.

00:57:16.240 And I should mention in your letter, there was a, there was an objection to, is it, I don't know if I, I don't want to mischaracterize it, but to the, uh, like affirmative action policies and letting students in, you said, who basically their academics wouldn't justify admission.

00:57:32.000 No, that, that point was, if this can, if we don't stop, this is continues.

00:57:35.540 It's very obvious to writing on the wall.

00:57:38.140 Okay.

00:57:38.960 About, about you're going to lower standards, you know, that, that was that point.

00:57:42.980 Um, but yeah, you know, what did you make of her response?

00:57:46.240 Well, I think the same that most people did both in the Brearley community and in the broader community, since this was picked up by the press, uh, it was appalling response.

00:57:55.660 And for a number of reasons.

00:57:57.080 And the thing that, what you just read, what people picked up and I, the first thing I picked up on and everybody did was that comment on the frightening, the, the high schoolers, the upper schoolers.

00:58:06.640 And I've said this a number of times, but really it's been around, you know, 140 years.

00:58:11.940 Uh, it is, you know, one of, if not the most, the preeminent all girls school in New York, maybe in the country.

00:58:17.460 If there's one single thing that Brearley has prided itself on, and we've heard this in the seven years, my daughter's been in the school is producing intellectually courageous girls, intellectually brave girls.

00:58:32.640 And to say that our upper schoolers are frightened by a piece of paper, not to them, even to their parents or the words on that piece of paper is absurd.

00:58:42.220 And it's one of two things, either they're lying about it, uh, which I don't really believe, or frankly, they've done an appalling job doing what they're supposed to be doing, which is creating intellectually courageous girls.

00:58:52.840 Uh, and then, and, and, and, and look, I, I, you know, a lot of these girls are in, in sort of indoctrinated into this, you know, wokeness, uh, which is a bigger issue.

00:59:02.000 Uh, but that's the line that I think an awful lot of people criticize.

00:59:05.760 Yeah.

00:59:06.240 Rightfully.

00:59:06.660 Right.

00:59:06.880 It's like, if that's your goal, courageous conversations and intellectual curiosity fail, fail Brearley fail.

00:59:12.940 And by the way, I mean, this is what they always say, right?

00:59:15.640 Like the people who are woke, anything that you say, that's not consistent with their messaging is dangerous.

00:59:21.140 It's downright dangerous.

00:59:23.340 You're a threat.

00:59:24.720 And I will say, now you were very kind.

00:59:27.300 You were very kind in speaking about the young girl's message who, who posted publicly in response to you.

00:59:32.800 Um, I, I will do her the, the courtesy of treating her like the grownup she's purporting to be in this, in this public letter and say, this was not a fact-based piece. 0.89

00:59:45.180 It was not because her, this young woman who wrote publicly about your letter, um, said, and I quote, that she called you, your, your position on systemic racism, ignorant at best. 0.94

00:59:56.180 Okay. 0.88

00:59:56.540 She doesn't agree with you.

00:59:57.480 That's fine.

00:59:58.400 Uh, but then she says as evidence that there's no system, that there is systemic racism, quote, Shirley Guttman has read the news lately.

01:00:05.240 People of color are being shot and killed, quote, accidentally on the regular, on the regular, she says.

01:00:13.340 Right.

01:00:14.040 And, and then she goes on to say, I am so tired of hearing that my existence takes up too much space.

01:00:20.660 I am tired of hearing debates about whether my voice belongs in the classroom.

01:00:25.620 No one's, no one's doing that.

01:00:28.440 No one is doing that.

01:00:30.180 Your mind has been so corrupted by these race hustlers that you've been led to believe that there, that there is an epidemic of police shooting, shooting people in the street.

01:00:40.060 Black people, there isn't, and that somebody saying your existence takes up too much, who, what did you make of that? 0.95

01:00:48.040 Well, let me address this.

01:00:49.060 Let me address the police shootings issue, if you don't mind.

01:00:51.720 Um, cause I wrote a, I wrote a follow up and it has not been published and I don't think it will be.

01:00:55.700 I was going to say, I didn't see that.

01:00:56.620 Where, where is that?

01:00:57.380 No, no, I, it hasn't.

01:00:58.640 But, um, but I, I, cause I wanted to address the systemic racism issue.

01:01:01.760 Um, and, uh, so I, I did some digging cause I knew this cause I've read about this, but I did some digging and, you know, department of justice, 2018 about, and I have this in front of me, but 20% of offenders of violent crime incidents were identified as black.

01:01:18.000 29% FBI data says about 27% of people arrested in this country were identified as black.

01:01:24.560 And according to website, uh, statista in that same year, 23% of the number of people shot to death by police were identified as black.

01:01:34.120 So there was no evidence that blacks are being killed by police, by white police officers out of proportion to the crimes they commit.

01:01:43.520 There is simply no evidence of this systemic racism. 0.77

01:01:47.520 And, but we have been drilled in our heads by the media over the last few years.

01:01:51.720 And certainly since George Floyd, that these high profile police shootings of, of, you know, white killings of black men and women, which are tragic and may be instances of racist cops.

01:02:02.480 They, they certainly may be, but data says these are not, there is not evidence of systemic racism and people don't know that.

01:02:11.160 Yeah.

01:02:11.280 Of course not.

01:02:12.020 No, they think the exact of the opposite, but, and, and the problem is everything for her is anecdotal, right?

01:02:16.180 If I'm sure if you went back to her and asked her for stats, she wouldn't give them to you.

01:02:19.140 It's, you know, her lived experience and watching George Floyd played over and over and over and watching, you know, people like, um, Oh God, what's his name in, in the, uh, in Wisconsin who got shot, Jacob Blake and the Breonna Taylor.

01:02:30.440 And because the media picks these cases and tries to play them over and over and over and misleads people.

01:02:34.680 Same thing that's happening with COVID.

01:02:36.120 By the way, when you say that you had a vaccine clause in your Brearley contract is, do you think they're trying to set you up to agree to a mandatory COVID vaccine for your kids?

01:02:44.780 What's that about?

01:02:45.860 Oh yeah.

01:02:46.180 I think so.

01:02:46.680 The reason my daughter was remote.

01:02:48.160 Uh, so a number of families kept their kids remote mostly because of fear of COVID.

01:02:52.040 Uh, we kept, we had every intention.

01:02:53.780 I haven't talked about that publicly, by the way, but we have, uh, we had every intention in September of sending her back in person.

01:02:59.620 I, I'm not a family in real school.

01:03:00.960 I think it's not real school. 0.94

01:03:01.980 I think, I mean, they really does, it's done a great job, but it still sucks. 0.91

01:03:04.580 It's not real school.

01:03:05.580 Uh, we had every intention of sending her back and there was a zoom, uh, to talk about right before school started, all the restrictions.

01:03:14.260 Um, and I said to myself and my wife said, and my daughter said, these are abusive to children, these restrictions.

01:03:22.140 And I, I believe they are, this is child abuse.

01:03:24.640 What they are, uh, the restrictions in schools and as bad to mental health is as remote school and not being with your friends and in person.

01:03:33.540 I think these restrictions are worse for the mental health of children.

01:03:38.640 I think they are terrorizing children and this is not going to go away in a year.

01:03:42.980 This is going to be with them for a long time, if not forever.

01:03:46.020 And that's the reason why we kept a remote.

01:03:48.140 Um, and we can, so I, you know, I, I, I have some, some, again, non-mainstream views on COVID policy, but, but to your point, it's, it's, it's, that's right.

01:03:56.700 I don't know if you're, I don't know what you're saying, non-mainstream, if you're against some of these crazy restrictions, you're a hundred percent mainstream.

01:04:03.620 You're just on the right half of the country.

01:04:05.120 The country is very divided on this.

01:04:06.840 It's the, it's hysterical.

01:04:08.680 There was a long piece of the Atlantic just this week.

01:04:11.180 No, of course, New York is, New York won 87% for Joe Biden.

01:04:14.780 But in the country, I mean, even some of my lefty friends in New York are starting to come over to this sort of place of reason and logic in between where they're, they're rejecting this partisan Jersey now because they're like, they can see the hysterics over the COVID lockdowns and what it's doing to children.

01:04:29.920 Um, and we would like, there was an article in the Atlantic this week that was amazing talking about how liberals are now starting to reject the, the crazy sort of fear porn COVID liberals who are triple masking with the face shield and never want to go back into the classroom or any place else public because they refuse, even though they've been double vaxxed to resume normal American life.

01:04:54.100 And if you challenge them, you know, they, they bust out their fake little coffin and say, you want them in it.

01:04:59.720 I was like, yeah, you really have double masks mandatory for the kids.

01:05:05.400 Yep.

01:05:06.320 Yep.

01:05:07.200 Oh my God.

01:05:08.420 Yeah.

01:05:08.680 Double masks.

01:05:09.740 That's insane.

01:05:10.920 At our old school, they, they were having the kids like the upper schoolers, like they had their own little plexiglass shield to walk around.

01:05:18.800 So a lot of the, so, you know, one of the things that we, and I communicated in addition to the anti-racism,

01:05:23.940 I communicated this to the school, um, that, that I thought the policies were abusive.

01:05:28.360 And, uh, you know, so they have the six feet distancing now, now not every classroom, they

01:05:33.280 can do that.

01:05:33.720 So they have a separate annex for a lot of these kids where they're watching the teacher

01:05:37.260 on TV anyway.

01:05:38.280 So, you know, we said, okay, if he's going to watch on TV, you have the kids are, or whatever

01:05:42.080 the person is possible, do it at home.

01:05:44.020 But just as an aside, now this brings me to something, I'm like, I'm infuriated with this

01:05:48.860 and it's not exactly your issue, but it sounds like it might be.

01:05:52.160 Um, the CDC just released guidance for, um, summer camps.

01:05:57.580 Okay.

01:05:57.860 Oh my God.

01:05:58.300 Yes.

01:05:58.660 Okay.

01:05:58.900 We can talk about it.

01:05:59.960 Oh my God.

01:06:01.080 So our kids go to a day camp.

01:06:02.840 We go to New Jersey for the summers where we have a little house on the shore, down the

01:06:05.780 shore, as they say, my husband grew up going down there.

01:06:07.640 So we go there.

01:06:08.440 Okay.

01:06:08.660 So we'll see you there.

01:06:09.660 Yeah.

01:06:10.080 Um, and we did all the stuff last year.

01:06:12.780 Thank God our camp was open.

01:06:13.800 We were grateful for it.

01:06:14.540 The kids had to wear the masks all day, even though they were running around, like the kids were

01:06:17.360 practicing like sailing where you're out on a little tiny boat.

01:06:22.100 It's not really a sailboat.

01:06:23.240 I mean, it's like a baby sailboat, um, by yourself. 0.81

01:06:26.520 And you had to have your freaking mask on, but we know what we were grateful that they 0.97

01:06:30.900 did it. 0.97

01:06:31.420 And so we all went along, everybody, you know, they canceled all the social events and all

01:06:34.840 that.

01:06:35.040 The kids basically, you know, just saw each other from afar.

01:06:38.080 Uh, now here we are, your leader where everybody's getting vaccinated.

01:06:41.380 The kids have never been proven to be effective communicators of the, of the virus and so on.

01:06:45.600 Yeah.

01:06:46.080 Here are some of the restrictions I'm quoting from reason magazine, reason.com right now.

01:06:49.900 Everyone at the camp, everyone at the camp, including staff and every child over the age

01:06:52.940 of two must wear masks at all times, unless eating or swimming.

01:06:57.400 Oh, that's nice.

01:06:58.000 They let you take it off when you're swimming.

01:06:59.880 They should wear two, two layers of masks, especially when social distancing is, is difficult,

01:07:07.220 regardless of whether they're indoors or outdoors.

01:07:09.860 Even if you're outdoors, two layers of masks, they have to be in cohorts.

01:07:15.080 This is how it was last summer where a year later, where their interaction with people

01:07:18.500 outside of the cohort must be limited.

01:07:20.420 They have to always be at least three feet away from each other, six feet between campers

01:07:24.880 in a different cohort.

01:07:26.240 Staff has to stay six feet away from the campers at all times, whether inside or outside distance

01:07:31.420 maintained while eating, napping, or riding the bus.

01:07:35.160 Use of physical objects that might be shared among kids, toys, art supplies, electronics should

01:07:39.060 be limited wherever possible.

01:07:40.280 Hello.

01:07:40.780 You just admitted that it can't be transmitted via surfaces, that there's almost zero chance

01:07:45.920 of it.

01:07:46.300 Why are you doing that?

01:07:48.100 Camps should not permit closed contact.

01:07:50.020 So sports.

01:07:51.160 So no, no, you know, flag football.

01:07:53.420 Forget it.

01:07:53.840 That's out.

01:07:54.680 And should wear masks regardless.

01:07:56.240 So again, the outdoor masking while playing sports, which is not safe.

01:08:02.280 And they say if anyone that this is reason, if anyone's curious, there are separate restrictions

01:08:07.160 for outdoor gardening, gardening.

01:08:09.660 The CDC wants to govern how you garden. 0.56

01:08:12.840 It's I mean, Andrew, we've lost our ever loving minds.

01:08:17.380 We have.

01:08:17.900 We have.

01:08:18.260 OK, I've been talking.

01:08:20.040 I've said this for a year. 1.00

01:08:21.480 And our COVID reaction, lockdowns, masks are the stupidest thing human beings have ever 1.00

01:08:27.000 done purposefully. 1.00

01:08:29.460 Ever.

01:08:30.820 You know, there's been other bad things in human history.

01:08:32.880 This is we've destroyed the world for this.

01:08:35.660 It's incredible.

01:08:36.240 And we've destroyed children for this.

01:08:39.300 And it's the saddest absolute thing.

01:08:42.020 We've destroyed New York City for this.

01:08:44.820 And we could I'm sure we could talk about this all day.

01:08:46.940 My daughter goes to sleepaway camp up in Maine.

01:08:49.860 And she was one of the she's very lucky that they had a session last year.

01:08:53.200 It's normally seven weeks.

01:08:54.020 It was four.

01:08:54.700 It wasn't too bad on the masks.

01:08:57.540 Actually, everyone had to be tested.

01:09:00.700 This year, I think it's going to be worse.

01:09:02.520 And it makes no sense.

01:09:03.560 Last year, we were closer to where, you know, COVID was actually raging.

01:09:06.560 Now, in New York City, it stopped a year ago.

01:09:08.320 April 1st last year, we were done, frankly.

01:09:11.060 Now, there's a there's a lag on when people die, obviously.

01:09:13.920 So you saw the deaths.

01:09:15.380 But when we get back from spring break last year, we were done.

01:09:18.500 I think most of it's not to say you're zero, but it's a sleepaway camp in particular.

01:09:23.680 That's like you're leaving.

01:09:25.280 You're you're you're in a little you're encamped.

01:09:28.420 They're in the middle of nowhere in Maine.

01:09:29.840 They don't even have electricity in the bunk.

01:09:31.340 She's at this kind of rustic camp.

01:09:33.400 And she has to sleep with a double mask. 1.00

01:09:35.860 It's it's so I'm very hopeful that it's not as bad as the CDC.

01:09:39.240 I read that with terrifying what I read, which you just read.

01:09:41.800 And I think it's going to be worse than last year, which makes absolutely no sense.

01:09:45.660 I think, look, people are starting to push back.

01:09:48.140 I even thought she has gotten criticism for saying kids should wear masks outside.

01:09:53.360 You know, and finally, people are pushing back.

01:09:55.600 It's nuts.

01:09:56.820 And let me tell you something.

01:09:57.440 Something else, double masking your child and telling him to run around in 90 degree weather

01:10:03.580 is not safe.

01:10:06.560 I would not do that.

01:10:07.920 I didn't do it last summer and I'm not going to do it this summer.

01:10:10.840 And if our camp thinks that it's going to impose these restrictions, and I don't think

01:10:14.420 it is because they're actually reasonable people, I'll fight.

01:10:17.680 I will 100 percent fight.

01:10:19.100 That's not safe.

01:10:20.040 Talk to your pediatrician about whether it's safe to have your kid do running or any physical

01:10:23.180 activity that's strenuous outside in that kind of weather with a double mask on.

01:10:27.820 It's just insane.

01:10:28.760 What risk are we preventing against other than weird COVID fear porn mongers feeling unsafe?

01:10:38.620 I no longer care about them.

01:10:41.060 I care more about my children and your children than I care about those grown adults who refuse

01:10:47.900 to, as they tell us, listen to science.

01:10:50.540 Well, I, you know, I, I don't know if you know, I don't know if you, I wrote a paper

01:10:54.520 on masks about a year ago.

01:10:57.080 So, you know, I, I, I have been following this issue for, since the beginning.

01:11:02.600 It's on my little blog where I actually, there was, there was an initial, the first, the first

01:11:08.280 sort of report where, where people said masks work was, was found, funded by the WHO

01:11:12.820 and within the Lancet, you know, prestigious medical journal.

01:11:15.360 And it was this meta study and it got picked up in all the press.

01:11:18.620 It was written about all over, and this was the justification for masks.

01:11:21.760 This really started it off.

01:11:24.300 And I read it and I said, eh, so they looked at 29 studies.

01:11:27.680 They looked at social distancing and eye goggles too, I think.

01:11:29.840 But, but I just focused on the mask piece and 29 studies of a meta study, right.

01:11:35.260 And they concluded mask work.

01:11:36.620 So I said, you know, I don't, I don't, I'm skeptical here.

01:11:39.260 So I actually went through all 29 studies.

01:11:42.400 I got all, the only, I could, there's one, one of them was in Chinese.

01:11:45.680 I couldn't get, uh, just the, just the overview.

01:11:47.900 So I went through and I spent a couple, a week or two, read them off like three times. 0.69

01:11:52.280 And this study was, the meta study was absolute garbage mistakes.

01:11:57.680 I think in like eight, I'm, I'm doing it from memory.

01:11:59.720 Eight of them complete, the 11 of them shouldn't have been in there because they weren't actually

01:12:03.920 studies of masks or not masks. 0.98

01:12:06.320 It was absolute garbage. 0.94

01:12:08.280 And I sent it to a few scientists and nothing ever happened and no one ever picked it up. 0.97

01:12:12.280 Um, but you know, the science wasn't there and I have read, and then people say, well,

01:12:17.520 how can you have these views?

01:12:18.600 Cause I have read probably just about every single paper on masks that have come out in

01:12:25.380 the last 50 years.

01:12:26.200 And the science pre COVID was very, very clear.

01:12:30.520 Masks are not effective in stopping the transmission of respiratory viruses.

01:12:36.420 Well, and of course it's what Dr. Fauci told us too.

01:12:38.520 Dr. Fauci originally told us not to wear them.

01:12:40.380 And now he's like, oh, I was just lying.

01:12:41.720 Cause I didn't want you to buy up all the PPE that the medical providers.

01:12:44.500 It's like, oh, well, well, weirdly, I no longer believe you.

01:12:47.020 It's so strange how that works.

01:12:48.060 So you've sacrificed your credibility now.

01:12:49.840 And then they look at us like, why?

01:12:51.140 How to trust the authorities?

01:12:52.140 Like, well, I don't trust the WHO.

01:12:54.400 Oh, the one that's covering for China, trying to keep the story about this coming out of a Chinese 1.00

01:12:58.720 lab appears to have been accidental, though the military was working with the lab.

01:13:02.580 I don't know what happened, but listen to my last COVID podcast, because we had Josh

01:13:07.080 Rogan from the Washington Post, who's done extensive reporting on this, talking about

01:13:10.460 how this thing looks like it came out of a Wuhan lab where they were studying coincidentally

01:13:14.120 back coronaviruses and how to make them more dangerous to humans in an effort supposedly

01:13:18.480 to fight back against them.

01:13:20.160 Well, good luck.

01:13:20.860 That didn't work out so well.

01:13:22.120 Anyway, my point is I don't trust the WHO and I don't trust Fauci and I don't trust the

01:13:26.400 CDC to give it to me straight.

01:13:27.580 And that's just the way I feel after now a year of listening to these people reverse

01:13:30.220 their positions on virtually everything.

01:13:32.820 Yeah, I know.

01:13:33.960 I agree.

01:13:34.740 I think it's it's despicable what's happened.

01:13:37.020 It's, you know, this trustee, this tyranny of the experts that aren't really experts.

01:13:41.520 You know, the real scientists, which are not the ones that go on TV and that speak publicly

01:13:46.320 have been silenced.

01:13:48.240 And they're the ones saying we don't know much.

01:13:49.820 And here's what we know, which is, you know, no, the masks aren't going to stop respiratory

01:13:54.260 viruses.

01:13:54.700 Wearing them outside is disturbing because there's no outside transmission.

01:13:58.400 There's very little. 0.87

01:13:59.200 I mean, outside is ridiculous.

01:14:00.660 Kids are at less risk of, you know, COVID, significantly less risk than seasonal flu. 0.85

01:14:08.220 Kids.

01:14:09.120 Now, this is a bigger fight to get masks out of schools because they're going to be in

01:14:13.420 schools a lot.

01:14:14.100 You know, I know.

01:14:15.200 I'm worried about next fall.

01:14:16.440 I'm really worried about next fall.

01:14:17.580 I'm sick and tired of this on my littles.

01:14:19.580 I'll tell you something about Brearley.

01:14:23.940 They we were informed, actually, because we talked about this with them, not only to

01:14:28.780 expect these restrictions, including masks, to continue into next school year, but to

01:14:33.500 expect them in the years to come.

01:14:37.040 What?

01:14:37.280 Not many change, but that is a sort of direct quote from a Brearley administrator.

01:14:42.620 No.

01:14:43.320 Hard pass.

01:14:43.960 Hard pass.

01:14:44.760 Yeah.

01:14:45.340 Hard pass.

01:14:46.420 I mean, that's how long are parents going to let this happen?

01:14:50.400 I mean, my friends who almost all my friends here in New York are liberal.

01:14:56.420 They went their kids haven't been in school all year.

01:15:00.580 Their middle schooler has been going to school.

01:15:02.720 So what as of recently, one day a week for four hours a day, and they last weekend went

01:15:11.180 to a open the schools rally.

01:15:13.700 OK, it's May.

01:15:15.220 It's May.

01:15:16.240 And guess what they ran into?

01:15:18.520 Counter protesters calling them white supremacists. 0.63

01:15:22.300 Oh, my God.

01:15:26.140 I'm like.

01:15:27.120 But you know what?

01:15:28.060 My I mean, I've said this before, but my only comfort here is that like overreactions

01:15:31.380 like that tend to bring people who are farther out on the ideological scale, close to where

01:15:38.360 I am in the center, where I think it's reasonable and I'm center right, but I don't care.

01:15:43.620 I just I feel like that's going to send everybody over here to the place of reason and off of

01:15:47.580 these ideological teams because ideologues are not trustworthy.

01:15:50.920 We shouldn't be listening to them.

01:15:52.040 I do want to say one thing for the record.

01:15:54.460 Sure.

01:15:54.820 I haven't read those studies, so I'm not in a position to challenge what was in them.

01:15:58.080 And I do, however, trust my doctor when it comes to my vaccines, when it comes to any

01:16:02.300 I trust my kids doctor and I trust my doctor, my doctor who happens to be an infectious

01:16:05.700 disease doctor.

01:16:07.120 He he did say masks work.

01:16:09.220 He did say get a vaccine.

01:16:11.220 He said, get whatever vaccine you can get.

01:16:14.080 Doesn't matter what it is.

01:16:16.000 Just get one.

01:16:16.680 And he did say that he thinks the long term effects of covid are more of something to

01:16:21.260 worry about than the long term effects of a vaccine.

01:16:24.140 So I do do I wear the mask here in New York City.

01:16:28.480 You still have to outside.

01:16:29.740 You can either either mask outside or do six feet away.

01:16:32.480 So I do six feet away unless it's like a jammed up crowd because I'm just sick of people's

01:16:36.700 angry faces.

01:16:37.380 And I know Tucker wants you to get in their face.

01:16:39.080 I'm not like that.

01:16:39.940 And I wouldn't do that.

01:16:41.780 But it needs to end because I think a lot of people here, a lot of people are rule followers

01:16:46.840 by nature.

01:16:48.060 I understand that, too.

01:16:49.280 I kind of I kind of am not as much as the average Joe, but I I get it.

01:16:53.200 And they need permission before they're going to take off these masks when there's a mask

01:16:58.500 mandate.

01:16:59.220 And we and so we need to lift it like we need to be realistic if not, if not for us, then

01:17:04.780 for our kids.

01:17:05.960 Yeah.

01:17:06.180 I mean, I've only done the research on masks, so I'm not knowledgeable to speak about any

01:17:10.300 other issue.

01:17:11.820 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:17:13.720 I mean, people are going to follow the rules for the most part.

01:17:15.620 I've seen in New York City the last week or so people there's fewer outside for sure.

01:17:20.240 Where this pandemic, the New York Times did did it's done horrific on this issue, but

01:17:27.280 there was one piece they did at the beginning of this, which I thought was really good, which

01:17:30.720 is how do pandemics end?

01:17:31.860 And they got historians to talk about this.

01:17:33.780 Pandemics don't end when the virus goes away.

01:17:36.520 Pandemics end when people get over their fear and learn to live with it. 0.90

01:17:40.300 Look, COVID is going to be with us forever.

01:17:42.220 I mean, the 1918 H1N1 flu, I think, variants still circulate of it.

01:17:48.740 And I think that a lot of infectious disease people and doctors will tell you, look, this

01:17:52.640 will become endemic.

01:17:53.440 It becomes a common cold over time.

01:17:56.680 We just have to learn to live with it.

01:17:58.660 And that's what we have to do now.

01:18:00.800 We have to get on with our lives.

01:18:01.980 We have destroyed the world.

01:18:03.120 We've destroyed New York City.

01:18:05.160 And the masks, whether they work or not, and again, I have a strong view on that, having

01:18:09.120 done research, so you can disagree, but you can't say I'm uninformed.

01:18:13.720 But these are signs of fear.

01:18:16.520 They're absolutely signs of fear.

01:18:18.360 We have to get over the fear.

01:18:20.040 We have to get back to life.

01:18:21.140 We have to get kids back in schools.

01:18:23.880 You know, we have to rebuild, you know, our industries that have been decimated, travel

01:18:28.100 industry and hospitality industry.

01:18:29.780 I mean, you see so many empty storefronts and restaurants closed in New York City.

01:18:33.600 We've literally destroyed the city and we're destroying the country and we're destroying

01:18:38.340 the world over this.

01:18:39.720 Again, we can argue about it, how, you know, whether it was worth it or not.

01:18:42.860 I don't think that was worth it, you know, given how deadly this was.

01:18:46.360 And the demographic of who COVID really affected.

01:18:51.020 You know, if this was killing children in a way, or young people, in the way that 1918

01:18:54.940 Spanish flu did, it's a different story.

01:18:57.880 This is most similar to the Asian and Hong Kong flus in the late 50s and 60s, you know,

01:19:02.800 the second of which you had Woodstock raging during it.

01:19:05.620 There was no social distancing at Woodstock.

01:19:07.560 Again, I'm not, I'm not a doctor.

01:19:09.480 I'm not an infectious disease.

01:19:10.420 I have done a hell of a lot of research on masks.

01:19:12.960 I can speak to that, but we got to get, we, we, we kind of go back to life.

01:19:18.260 We have to, or we're destroying the world here.

01:19:20.500 That's my, well, and, and, and fear.

01:19:22.860 Yeah.

01:19:23.220 Well, in a way we're on topic because fear is what's also motivating these parents who

01:19:29.920 support you behind the scenes to not speak out.

01:19:32.980 There's no, there's no, like one of the things that's pissing me off about your situation

01:19:35.960 is where's the cavalry?

01:19:37.980 Where are they?

01:19:39.120 Come on.

01:19:39.700 Like you're twisting in the wind and none of those barely parents, even anonymously, they

01:19:44.180 need to come out with an anonymous letter that can just sort of be family X, family Y, family

01:19:50.300 Z.

01:19:50.560 They're letting you twist in the wind, just the same way Paul Rossi's twisting in the

01:19:54.340 wind.

01:19:55.060 Yes.

01:19:55.660 Met, you know, people like my, you know, the organization fair foundation against intolerant

01:20:00.160 racism that I'm on the board of.

01:20:01.580 Yes, we are, we are supportive, but the other parents in the, in the student body, even anonymously

01:20:08.800 need to come out because otherwise this, you know, Jane's response to you, trying to make 0.60

01:20:15.300 you just look like you're this insensitive, scary guy who's terrified the Brearley student

01:20:19.120 body wind up being kind of the last word.

01:20:22.820 So I don't know what happens to Brearley.

01:20:24.200 They're so far gone down this path.

01:20:25.620 I know people have written to the school and in support again, if they don't have to agree

01:20:31.000 with everything I said, you know, the key point is about, we can have a discussion and

01:20:35.800 there's no indoctrination and that's, but I heard, you know, we talk about the response

01:20:39.720 and Paul Rossi got a similar response.

01:20:41.420 I've gotten somewhere close to a thousand people email and message me on this.

01:20:46.120 About 10 of them have been negative, overwhelmingly positive support from around the country.

01:20:51.260 Now, the scary part of that is I had no idea how entrenched this systemic, this CRT, this

01:20:57.080 critical race theory was in schools and how many parents are dealing with it.

01:21:00.620 That's the scary part, but overwhelmingly support.

01:21:03.640 And I had somebody who is on the board of his kid's school outside of New York City.

01:21:09.160 And he said to me, you have no idea how good, how much, how much good your letter has done

01:21:16.280 in these private schools.

01:21:17.320 Your letter is being discussed in board of trustees meetings at every single private school in

01:21:23.100 the country, because they're starting to realize the boards are that people will speak

01:21:27.580 up, that people are feeling this way.

01:21:29.460 And no school wants to be the next Brearley in terms of being, you know, in the news

01:21:34.680 about this.

01:21:35.540 Okay.

01:21:35.940 I don't know that that's true, but the person that said it is quite well respected.

01:21:40.780 And in fact, look, whatever happens to Brearley, I hope they fix it.

01:21:44.240 It's a phenomenal institution over 140 years.

01:21:47.200 I hope it goes back to being a phenomenal educational institution.

01:21:50.340 If it continues down this path, it won't be.

01:21:52.900 They'll destroy it.

01:21:53.820 But I hope that reverses.

01:21:54.940 And I don't think you can reverse it unless you have a change of administration.

01:21:57.560 But maybe this letter is doing some good, you know, in other schools.

01:22:02.920 And look, in the last few weeks, and I'm not going to take credit for it, but in the last

01:22:05.560 few weeks, there's been an awful lot of media attention on this issue, on critical race theory

01:22:10.020 in schools, on critical race theory more broadly, on cancel culture, you know, a lot of media

01:22:17.060 attention on it.

01:22:18.040 So let me ask you this.

01:22:19.900 Let me ask you this, because I mean, I think certainly this is going to this is where Brearley

01:22:22.860 is right now, but it's where a lot of these schools that across the country are right

01:22:27.480 now.

01:22:29.060 This was a response posted to your letter by somebody named Claire Potten at seminar.org.

01:22:34.800 And she said, let me just quote in part claims that children are being harmed by critical

01:22:40.720 race theory are a thin cover for returning to a world where white people don't have to feel 0.97

01:22:46.580 bad about racism, she says, the tribalism and division that the Brearley dad, you claim

01:22:56.520 critical race theory is causing already exists, as does the harm Paul Rossi fears it is causing

01:23:03.580 prestigious private schools offer real opportunities to black students, but it can come at a very,

01:23:08.000 very high emotional and intellectual cost to them and their parents.

01:23:11.140 And basically what she's saying is, and this is the end quote, um, that white people, including

01:23:16.740 you and Paul make it all about themselves. 0.86

01:23:19.960 That is what white people often do.

01:23:22.780 But in this case, it also shows that these men also understand what's at stake in anti-racism

01:23:27.940 work, their own power and the position of their white children as uniquely authoritative 0.99

01:23:34.740 and special in a multiracial society.

01:23:39.760 Your thoughts on that?

01:23:41.500 Okay, sure.

01:23:43.120 You can, you know, what do you want to, so what do you, okay, I would ask this person

01:23:46.180 and ask this person, okay, what do you want?

01:23:48.280 What do you want to do?

01:23:49.200 Okay, you want me to admit I'm, because I'm white, I'm guilty, right? 0.76

01:23:52.240 I mean, my, my family, you know, a lot of them perished in the Holocaust.

01:23:56.080 We weren't, you know, we didn't have slaves.

01:23:58.180 We weren't in this country.

01:23:59.840 We weren't in this, you know, in the Jim Crow era.

01:24:02.180 I mean, all right.

01:24:03.000 So, so what do you want to, do you want also all white people to admit what, where does that

01:24:07.260 get you?

01:24:07.640 You know, at the end of the day, this is, this is, you know, the Marxist argument for

01:24:12.020 equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity, which, you know, will destroy every, you know,

01:24:17.560 will destroy us, I think.

01:24:19.680 But, you know, you want to, you're trying to teach a kindergarten kid that they should

01:24:23.600 feel guilty for the color of the skin.

01:24:25.040 And this stuff is in kindergarten, right?

01:24:26.940 I mean, I heard, I heard of this.

01:24:28.040 Oh, I know.

01:24:28.940 My mom told me, you know, they, so when my daughter was in kindergarten, they had to do

01:24:31.920 a project.

01:24:32.760 They all given a silhouette of their head, you know, like head, draw whatever you want,

01:24:37.020 draw, you know, however you look, draw your freckles, draw your hair, whatever you want

01:24:40.600 to draw.

01:24:41.080 Well, this, this exercise apparently in kindergarten this year, they were only given skin color crayons.

01:24:46.000 And it was, look, we don't care about anything.

01:24:47.540 The only thing that we want you to focus on is getting your skin tone, right? 0.97

01:24:50.920 So this is kindergarten.

01:24:51.660 God, this is kindergarten at these schools.

01:24:53.900 I'd be like, I don't need a crayon.

01:24:55.260 Just leave the paper as pasty as it came.

01:24:57.900 Just going to do an outline of a face.

01:25:00.000 Just as pasty as you think, even pastier.

01:25:03.720 We have to fight this.

01:25:06.200 We're not saying there's no racism.

01:25:08.200 We're not saying we shouldn't teach, you know, the, the, the, the stains in our history.

01:25:12.580 We have terrible stains in American history of, of slavery and Jim 1.00

01:25:15.820 Crow and what we did to native Americans. 0.99

01:25:17.940 No question.

01:25:19.080 Right.

01:25:19.520 I, I maintain, I wrote in this followup, which again, hasn't been published.

01:25:22.620 I think we're the least racist country.

01:25:24.400 I think we're the most diverse country in the world.

01:25:26.020 I think we're the least racist.

01:25:27.220 We're the only country or one of the very, very few that is even attempted to address

01:25:32.440 these issues.

01:25:33.340 What are the countries even attempted, right?

01:25:35.260 What are the countries diverse?

01:25:36.280 Like we are, are there issues?

01:25:37.780 Of course, are there, you know, are there racist cops out there?

01:25:39.900 Of course there are.

01:25:40.640 But what benefit is there of telling a kindergarten kid to feel guilty for his or her color of

01:25:47.580 her skin?

01:25:48.060 Where does that get?

01:25:49.040 What does that do for you?

01:25:50.320 That's my response.

01:25:51.380 They're incapable of paying for the sins of those, of somebody else's fathers.

01:25:55.460 Um, I, I want to, I want to read this piece, uh, just a bit, forgive me a lot of reading

01:26:00.280 today, but there's been some great stuff I've, I've, I've been reading lately.

01:26:03.360 Uh, this is from Ross Kaminsky at the American spectator and his piece is called the, the

01:26:07.480 cancer of critical race theory.

01:26:09.120 And he says this, he says, he does say that he thinks America is awakening to quote the

01:26:14.460 cancer that is critical race theory.

01:26:16.360 And he says, it should infuriate you that schools across the nation, keep that in mind.

01:26:21.040 Our audience knows it's not just Brearley, these sort of Tony New York schools, it's public

01:26:25.600 schools across the nation, places like Iowa.

01:26:27.660 It should infuriate you that schools across the nation are telling some kids that other kids

01:26:32.460 are evil or that they themselves are evil for things over which they have and never had

01:26:37.820 and never will have control, such as the melanin content of one's skin or the particular shape

01:26:44.920 of one's eyes.

01:26:46.200 And for the distinctly un-American practice of teaching that free speech, critical thinking

01:26:51.240 and questioning authority are simply indications of one's own irredeemable privilege.

01:26:58.000 And he ends by saying, the problem is that even this initial national, national awakening

01:27:02.960 is very, very late.

01:27:05.220 We are in the midst of a stage four societal cancer.

01:27:09.680 Critical race theory has metastasized from Harvard outward through other universities.

01:27:14.000 And from there into almost every other internal organ of our nation, from businesses to governments,

01:27:20.200 to schools, to everywhere you look.

01:27:23.020 So that brings me to the question that you mentioned when we started.

01:27:28.320 What's next?

01:27:29.760 What do we do?

01:27:30.560 You did the parents at Brearley and everyone else a favor by not staying quiet about it,

01:27:38.080 by going public.

01:27:39.700 So what is next in fighting the stage four societal cancer?

01:27:44.020 Well, let me say first, I 100% agree with what you just read.

01:27:46.840 This is terrifying what is happening.

01:27:48.980 I've had a lot of people reach out to me that grew up in, you know, Soviet Union or communist

01:27:55.020 Eastern Europe that had saying, but, you know, we left there to come to America.

01:28:00.720 We seen this movie being played before.

01:28:03.620 This is terrifying what's going on.

01:28:05.060 And we never thought this could happen here.

01:28:07.020 And it is.

01:28:08.140 And it's not just critical race theory in schools.

01:28:10.480 It's beyond schools.

01:28:11.900 It's the cancel culture. 0.95

01:28:13.080 It's the whole, you know, woke religion.

01:28:16.280 It is incredibly scary.

01:28:18.380 I think if we don't fix it, we go down a very, very dark and scary path.

01:28:23.540 I mean, you know, we end the enlightenment.

01:28:25.460 I think the country cracks up eventually.

01:28:27.280 I don't know when.

01:28:28.400 What do we do?

01:28:29.560 You know, I'm trying to figure out.

01:28:31.040 Look, I promised a lot of people who reached out to me I would continue to speak out on this

01:28:35.060 because I believe in it.

01:28:36.200 And I will.

01:28:37.240 I'm going to join FAIR and get involved in FAIR, which you mentioned.

01:28:40.360 And seriously, I've had people, you know, encourage me to start a school in New York City.

01:28:47.820 And that's something I'm seriously thinking about.

01:28:50.000 But, you know, the bigger issue is this.

01:28:52.400 We don't solve, in my view, we do not solve the school issue until we solve the cancel culture issue.

01:28:59.200 Too many parents are too fearful to speak up.

01:29:02.180 And you mentioned, you know, Coca-Cola may be reversing themselves a little bit on this

01:29:07.680 after, you know, the Georgia and baseball and all-star game incident.

01:29:12.360 Such cowardice, generally, in the corporate boardrooms, in these, you know, school boardrooms

01:29:17.700 and administrations.

01:29:18.720 But just such cowardice in these corporate boardrooms to cower to the, you know, the woke

01:29:23.760 Twitter mob here.

01:29:25.020 That has to stop.

01:29:26.020 We need some courageous CEOs and business leaders to say, look, we recognize that our

01:29:32.440 employees are going to have some different opinions on things.

01:29:34.660 Some of them might be controversial.

01:29:36.420 We acknowledge that some of those opinions in the day and age we live in are going to wind

01:29:41.060 up on Twitter and social media.

01:29:42.960 And we will not terminate them for their views.

01:29:47.780 We will not, you know, penalize them for their views because they're preventing parents.

01:29:54.100 I've heard this so many times in the last few weeks in these hundreds of emails.

01:29:57.040 They are preventing parents from speaking out on behalf of their children and on behalf

01:30:02.920 of their children's education.

01:30:04.540 So that has to stop.

01:30:05.560 I think we have to solve a cancel culture issue.

01:30:07.580 This is a huge issue.

01:30:08.740 This is not just schools.

01:30:10.140 This is not just critical race theory.

01:30:12.560 This is this, you know, anti-intellectual illiberalism, Marxism.

01:30:17.740 We're going down that path in so many different scary ways.

01:30:21.920 I don't have the solutions, all of them.

01:30:23.420 I don't know, you know, most of them.

01:30:24.800 But we need to talk about this.

01:30:26.380 You know, again, I said this earlier, you know, democracy, we've been led to believe

01:30:30.500 in the media lately that, you know, what is democracy?

01:30:32.940 Democracy is all about how many people vote, right?

01:30:34.700 And that's why there's such issues over who can vote and voting, you know, registration

01:30:39.520 and restrictions and stuff like that.

01:30:41.060 That's not what democracy, that's not what democracy works if people vote.

01:30:44.560 I think it's two things.

01:30:45.860 And I wrote this in the letter.

01:30:47.240 You have to have wise and virtuous leaders.

01:30:50.300 And I think of both political parties, we have very few wise and virtuous leaders.

01:30:55.140 And I wrote that in the context of really being the training ground for these leaders.

01:30:58.720 If they don't learn the education, they're not going to be that.

01:31:01.300 And that's scary.

01:31:02.280 And the other thing, you know, for democracy to work, you have to be willing to have discussions

01:31:08.020 of these issues, again, race, COVID, guns, immigration, you know, all these issues, climate

01:31:15.240 change that we're not allowed to discuss.

01:31:19.040 You have to be able to discuss them.

01:31:20.660 So somehow, and, you know, media polarization, you know, is a lot of this, which I don't know

01:31:26.200 how to solve.

01:31:26.660 But if you don't, if you're not willing to discuss these important issues, democracy

01:31:32.540 doesn't work.

01:31:33.360 And that's, I'm really scared.

01:31:35.000 I mean, I'm hopeful that we have, you know, made a little dent.

01:31:38.480 I don't think the dam is broken here on critical race theory, but I think we're starting finally

01:31:42.240 to get people to speak up.

01:31:43.840 And I'm hopeful we make a dent there and this movement continues.

01:31:47.100 But these are bigger issues that we are completely forgetting, losing, destroying, you know, toppling

01:31:54.940 statues of the foundations and principles of this country.

01:31:58.540 And again, that's not to say there aren't stains on this.

01:32:00.560 You know, Thomas Jefferson's controversial and he should be, and he should be taught it

01:32:03.740 that way.

01:32:04.320 But that doesn't mean you ignore the Declaration of Independence.

01:32:06.900 That is the founding principle of this country.

01:32:09.280 And we should strive to meet it.

01:32:10.960 And maybe we failed in a lot of ways in our history, but to not teach it and to lose those

01:32:15.540 founding principles.

01:32:16.480 Sorry, I'm preaching here, but to lose those founding principles, that's what's happening.

01:32:21.260 And that's really, really scary, the path we're headed down, I think.

01:32:26.500 Yeah, it certainly is.

01:32:27.680 No, I agree.

01:32:28.680 I said, Mitch McConnell, he was out there just saying, and it was great.

01:32:32.980 I was happy to see him object to the 1619 project, which has been totally discredited being

01:32:40.280 taught in schools.

01:32:41.180 Now, Nicole Hannah-Jones has been given a journalism professorship.

01:32:46.480 At UNC, yes, they give her a Pulitzer Prize, which a bunch of scholars, black and white,

01:32:52.540 have demanded be pulled back, be revoked, because the 1619 project is so non-factual.

01:33:00.720 It is so counterfactual.

01:33:02.260 And she's totally gotten away with it.

01:33:04.260 Now, instead of having the prize taken away, they're elevating her to a journalism professor 0.86

01:33:09.060 at UNC.

01:33:10.680 Anyway, McConnell came out and said, voters didn't ask for this.

01:33:15.700 There is no mandate to teach our children that America is inherently evil.

01:33:22.060 That seems like something that should have been run by us before we innocently sent them

01:33:27.280 back.

01:33:27.640 I wrote this in the letter, and I'll say it here.

01:33:31.040 This country will not survive teaching our children to hate our own country and to hate

01:33:37.340 its history.

01:33:38.100 No other country in the world does that, and that is what we are doing.

01:33:40.680 We will simply not survive as a country.

01:33:42.800 I don't know what happens.

01:33:43.900 We break up, civil war.

01:33:45.440 I don't know.

01:33:46.280 I don't think anyone can predict that.

01:33:47.720 But I'm unfortunately confident in saying if we teach our children to hate our own country

01:33:53.620 and its history, we will not survive.

01:33:56.040 Or this way of life, the foundation of freedom and liberty and prosperity and equal opportunity,

01:34:02.260 not equal outcome, equal opportunity, which has been the beacon for the rest of the world

01:34:06.380 for 250 years, right?

01:34:08.560 And yes, we haven't always lived up to it, but we have been the beacon of these principles

01:34:12.300 for 250 years.

01:34:13.760 If we teach our children to hate our own country and hate its history, we won't survive, and

01:34:19.900 our way of life will not survive.

01:34:21.600 And that's terrifying to me.

01:34:24.560 I do want to say to people, go to fairforall.org, fairforall.org, and you will see a lot of faces

01:34:33.800 there that you know and love, like Barry Weiss, like Glenn Lowry, like Coleman Hughes, like

01:34:39.120 Eli Steele, John McWhorter, who's coming on the show this week, and so on.

01:34:43.760 Uh, Daryl Davis, all there together, me, I'm there, trying to fight back against this

01:34:51.380 and try to make it easier for you to connect with other parents in your schools or businesses

01:34:55.240 or elsewhere who are silently objecting but don't know how to come, come out with it publicly,

01:35:02.600 you know, for fear of being canceled or punished.

01:35:04.740 So that is one of our core missions.

01:35:07.240 Go just check it out.

01:35:08.360 I don't make any money off of this.

01:35:09.620 This is not a money-making organization.

01:35:11.400 We're just trying to, it's a, it's a group of people trying to, you know, fight for reason

01:35:15.240 and wellness in the country.

01:35:16.980 Uh, so I, I've become a, you know, a preacher for them.

01:35:21.180 I, I want to proselytize about them and we're just getting our act together too, where it's

01:35:25.240 going to grow and it's going to get better organized and all that, but it's a place to

01:35:27.900 start.

01:35:28.280 And I think you'd be amazing.

01:35:30.220 We need just, we need millions more just like you.

01:35:33.720 So I, yeah.

01:35:34.360 So the founder of my, I've, I've met a bunch of times now online and in person, and we're

01:35:40.540 talking about how I can get involved because I absolutely want to get involved.

01:35:44.040 Good.

01:35:44.520 And, and people at home can do it too.

01:35:46.100 I will say just one other thought when I was still, um, at, at our boys, boys school,

01:35:50.860 and I don't know, I, I, I tend to think that the schools are not necessarily honestly searching

01:35:57.120 for parent feedback.

01:35:57.940 I don't know.

01:35:58.580 I think they're like, my experience has been, the schools are totally devoted to this ideology

01:36:02.200 and are going to lean into it because they think it's what's quote, right.

01:36:05.500 But if you think your school is genuinely curious about, or maybe fearful about losing a

01:36:10.240 significant portion of its parent body, one of the things I think could work potentially

01:36:14.100 is to get an outside person to come in sort of like an auditor, uh, to have private meetings

01:36:19.420 with parents who shall go nameless in the ultimate report about how they actually feel.

01:36:24.060 I really would love to see honest schools do this.

01:36:26.320 I thought of it because of what, uh, what my, what my former employer Fox news did in the

01:36:31.520 wake of the Roger Ailes allegations.

01:36:32.780 You know, um, they, they brought in Paul Weiss, an outside law firm, doesn't have to be a law

01:36:37.500 firm, but women who would never go in and speak to Roger Ailes's human resources department,

01:36:44.100 right?

01:36:44.580 Never because they knew what was going to happen.

01:36:47.200 Did go to Paul Weiss once they realized and were reassured that it truly wasn't independently

01:36:51.780 where they could say how they actually felt when it actually happened to them.

01:36:54.920 I think this could work at the school level for, for, and it would give school boards cover 0.90

01:36:59.180 because a lot of school boards don't actually want to do this crap, but they feel pressured.

01:37:03.100 You bring somebody in, you take the temperature of the parents without a name attached to it. 0.93

01:37:07.240 It's just somebody, you know, like you only get invited if you actually are a parent at

01:37:10.300 the school.

01:37:10.640 So they know it's legit.

01:37:12.320 Uh, and you say how you actually feel, and then they'll get a real temperature of how their

01:37:17.200 parent body feels about what they're doing.

01:37:19.680 And if you do that and you get a negative result on this indoctrination and you proceed with

01:37:24.800 it, you reap what you sow.

01:37:27.340 You see what happens to your parent body within the next three years.

01:37:30.340 Can I, um, I'll add something if you don't mind.

01:37:31.800 Um, I had someone reach out to a friend that's on the board of a prominent, uh, West Coast

01:37:36.660 Bay area school, private school.

01:37:38.900 Um, and he is in the process and he's very confident of getting the board to agree to

01:37:44.420 have a school wide zoom on this topic.

01:37:46.860 And he would like myself and Paul Rossi to participate.

01:37:50.220 Um, so these conversations are starting, I think.

01:37:53.720 And who the hell is going to stand up and say what you and Paul Rossi say?

01:37:56.860 They're all going to be scared shitless in San Francisco, in the Bay area.

01:38:00.220 I, you know, I think, look, this, this issue is a broader issue, right?

01:38:05.900 Obviously it gets a lot of attention on, you know, uh, the right way on conservatives and

01:38:10.460 Republicans.

01:38:11.320 We cannot win this issue unless it crosses over and education crosses over.

01:38:16.800 You have to get, you know, the centrists, you have to get the moderate left.

01:38:20.900 Look, we've lost the woke to religion.

01:38:22.640 Like it's gone, whatever that percent, 10%, whatever it is, right?

01:38:25.140 New York, San Francisco is higher.

01:38:27.200 But this is an issue that can really cross the divide here.

01:38:30.680 And I, and I think so because everybody cares about their kids' education.

01:38:34.000 And I have, I think you said the same thing.

01:38:35.840 I have heard from a lot of parents at Brearley privately that you would consider very, very

01:38:41.540 liberal.

01:38:42.300 And again, they may not agree with my definition of systemic racism, but they agree with a lot.

01:38:47.240 And for sure, they agree with that.

01:38:50.000 We need to talk about this and they're against indoctrination and they are for free speech.

01:38:54.140 And so I think, you know, there's a much bigger audience for this.

01:38:59.880 And I'm going to say audience.

01:39:00.760 I mean, there's a much bigger movement potentially than, than just, you know, just conservatives

01:39:04.680 here.

01:39:05.220 And it has to be because we don't win.

01:39:07.420 I don't think we win with just conservatives here.

01:39:09.920 It has to cross over.

01:39:11.160 And I'll be very honest.

01:39:12.100 I mean, I'm politically homeless in this.

01:39:14.600 So I really think that, that the parents are starting to realize, I think they've seen

01:39:19.360 what's going on.

01:39:20.020 I think a lot of schools aren't as far gone as the New York city schools, but they're seeing

01:39:23.800 this now and saying, this has to stop.

01:39:26.080 And we're the canary, we're the canary in the coal mine.

01:39:28.640 What, what, what happens here is coming.

01:39:30.920 It's, it's already there, but it's, it's going to come full force.

01:39:33.940 There's a recognition of that.

01:39:35.300 And so look, if, if, you know, if the fancy West coast school is willing to, and again,

01:39:39.980 I don't know if this is happening, but, but he seemed pretty confident that they could

01:39:42.800 get the board behind this.

01:39:43.980 And at least having the discussion about this, that, that is a first step.

01:39:49.320 But, but again, if we don't solve the cancel culture issue that too many people are afraid

01:39:55.500 to speak up, it doesn't get soft.

01:39:57.420 And I think we have to solve that, but, but, but that schools are willing maybe now to have

01:40:01.520 these conversations.

01:40:03.320 That's a good sign.

01:40:05.000 That's a good sign.

01:40:05.720 Andrew Guttman, good luck and good luck to your sweet daughter.

01:40:10.120 Sounds like, sounds like she doesn't need it, but, uh, she's okay.

01:40:13.440 Yeah, she's okay.

01:40:14.100 We, we, our country needs it.

01:40:15.420 Our schools need it, but thank you very much.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 07, 2021

A Parent Fights Back： Andrew Gutmann on Critical Race Theory and ＂Anti-Racism＂ Indoctrination at His Daughter's School ｜ Ep. 99

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