The Megyn Kelly Show - ABC Host ＂Humiliated＂ After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.240 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are one week out from Christmas.

00:00:18.060 Just a warning to those who haven't done their shopping. One week to T-minus seven and T-minus

00:00:25.500 till Christmas Eve, for those of you who like to wait until the last minute. Okay, the media story

00:00:31.100 everyone is talking about has continued to evolve with reports now that George Stephanopoulos over

00:00:36.120 at ABC News is defiant and humiliated after ABC agreed to pay Trump $15 million to settle his

00:00:45.880 defamation lawsuit against the network over their star host's false and misleading segment with

00:00:53.700 representative Nancy Mace. You know, I went back to look at the so-called apology. That's how we

00:00:57.960 referred to it the other day. I think that was erroneous. It wasn't really an apology. It was

00:01:02.380 we regret the statements. George Stephanopoulos regrets the statements. Well, that's not exactly

00:01:11.860 an apology, is it? He was forced to say that by his network and now he's reportedly humiliated,

00:01:18.160 as I say. Plus, there's new reporting from the New York Times that sheds light on President Biden's

00:01:23.840 quote, weary goodbye and the full extent of his infirmity, which continues to reveal itself day

00:01:31.440 by day. And would you believe the team surrounding him is still trying to claim that behind the scenes,

00:01:39.840 he's amazing. He's like, he's like that Olympic break dancer behind the scenes. What was her name?

00:01:46.060 She just, she stole the whole show, the terrible one, but she was fit fit and, and able to move

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00:03:22.940 and take charge of your financial future. Visit TNUSA.com slash Megan today. Adam, welcome back. Great to see

00:03:32.440 you. Always great to be on the show. Um, okay. So I don't, I guess let's start with Stephanopoulos who

00:03:39.120 is, he is humiliated and very angry according to the reports that this has happened to him. The New York

00:03:45.860 Times goes inside the suit and talks about how executives had expected, uh, or had anticipated that

00:03:53.420 there would be a blowback to settling this, but, um, they're in full revolt over there at ABC news

00:04:00.240 where they feel that the reputation has been unnecessarily sullied, that they didn't feel

00:04:06.000 they should have settled with, uh, president Trump. And yet the, um, times pointing out that

00:04:12.300 Disney had many reasons. Number one, there was a judge, judge, uh, Altonaga chief judge in the

00:04:19.580 Southern district of Florida who had denied Disney's motion to dismiss. It was some very strong

00:04:24.760 language saying a reasonable jury could interpret Stephanopoulos's statements as defamatory and

00:04:30.760 then added with in italics. Stephanopoulos stated 10 times that a jury or juries had found plaintiff

00:04:40.400 liable for rape, which was obviously not true. And then they pointed out something we speculated about

00:04:44.660 the other day, which was she had also rejected requests to delay the case. And Disney was told

00:04:50.480 to turn over all remaining documents related to the case. Trump's lawyer told us they'd only given

00:04:55.720 like one document. And so they had to produce not only all the emails with Stephanopoulos on them

00:05:01.420 among his producers and so on, but he was going to have to sit for a deposition, which we knew,

00:05:06.060 uh, they were also worried that this could set an industry standard. In other words, this could go

00:05:11.360 all the, all the way up to the U S Supreme court and New York times versus Sullivan, which sets a very,

00:05:15.060 very, very high bar for, for problematic speech for finding speech problematic could potentially

00:05:20.280 be overturned. Anyway. Um, what do you make of George Stephanopoulos is indignity at what has

00:05:26.640 happened to him, Adam? Well, okay. They worry about their reputation. So ABC's news division is worried

00:05:35.500 about the reputation. If they offer an apology, they blew up their own reputation over the last five

00:05:43.360 years, systematically first with Russian collusion and three or four years of lying, or at least being

00:05:50.140 wrong about that. And then that dovetailed right into COVID. So the two biggest stories of basically

00:05:57.760 the last eight or nine years, they screwed up 10 ways to Sunday. So I would tend not to listen to ABC

00:06:05.980 news, not because the dwarf news anchor offered an apology, but more that they lied about all the big

00:06:16.680 stories, anything to do with Trump and anything to do with COVID. I mean, let's look at it this way.

00:06:21.540 The two biggest stories of the last decade have been Trump and COVID and COVID and Trump.

00:06:28.220 They got every single story wrong and or lied about every single story. So I will not be listening to

00:06:35.140 ABC news, not because they're cowards and not standing up to this lawsuit, just because they're wildly

00:06:41.660 inaccurate and probably beyond inaccurate. They're liars.

00:06:47.720 They say in the New York post in an exclusive, George is defiant. One source tell, well, what does

00:06:55.440 that mean? You defiant in what way? Like you, you had to issue the words of regret. Your company had to

00:07:02.580 pay 15 million. You're no longer in first place. I believe it's related to that debacle of a debate.

00:07:07.960 There's been a revulsion, uh, after, you know, that night there was one and now there's been

00:07:12.840 a mass exodus in their audience and they want us to see what he's defiant. How, I mean, the latest

00:07:20.140 news was he deactivated his X account. It doesn't really, does it sound defiant Adam? It sounds like

00:07:26.420 a coward. This is their hijacking of the language. Remember Kamala Harris wanted to end fracking and

00:07:34.120 then she wanted to continue fracking and she wanted to end the border wall. Then she wanted to continue

00:07:39.720 the border wall, but she was still staying true to her values. Okay. That means nothing. And every time

00:07:49.260 there's a school shooting, somebody gets up to the podium and gets behind the microphone, a police chief

00:07:56.160 or the mayor of the city and says, this is unacceptable. Okay. It's unacceptable, but it just

00:08:03.020 happened and it'll happen again. So there's this weird language thing where they try to be, make

00:08:09.860 themselves into some sort of Patriot heroes, except for they do nothing. And it's, it's really a thing

00:08:16.180 that was born on the left and I never really got it. Um, yeah. Defiant while you put your tail between

00:08:23.740 your legs and offer an apology and keep hammering checks, you get from ABC. All right. Well, that's

00:08:29.760 defiant then so be it. But defiant is quitting your job and hanging your own shingle somewhere else.

00:08:37.820 That's exactly right. The defiant is I'm out of here. I refuse to participate in your conciliatory

00:08:43.860 statement. Um, I did nothing wrong and I'm not going to let my gazillion dollar paycheck force me into

00:08:51.800 bending the knee here because I'm, I'm going to die on principle. No, that's defiant. This is not

00:08:56.040 defiant. I deleting your ex account because you you're tired of the abuse you're getting from people

00:09:01.120 who know you lied that he was not found liable by a jury for rape. Why is it so hard for him just

00:09:06.640 to admit that? Well, I mean, these guys hate Trump obviously, and they cannot be, um, neutral about

00:09:20.600 things. You know, I was thinking about the other day. I mean, I was kind of talking about it on my

00:09:25.160 podcast, which is every umpire and every baseball game has feelings about the two teams that are on

00:09:31.580 the field. They just do. I mean, there has to be a thousand guys umpiring Yankees games who grew up

00:09:38.500 Yankees fans or Red Sox fans. And now they're behind the plate at Fenway. It just has to be,

00:09:45.340 but they have to put all that aside and call balls and strikes. And the news used to do that

00:09:52.760 and they don't do it anymore. And it's now become apparent to those of us who are in the stands

00:09:59.760 watching the game, what is happening because they're so blatant about it. It's obvious where

00:10:06.860 he stands. It's obviously when you see the A and B interviews between the ones they give Kamala Harris

00:10:13.700 and the ones they give Trump or J.D. Vance or whomever. It's so abundantly evident now that

00:10:21.340 I no longer really listen to them because I don't think they're calling balls and strikes. I don't

00:10:26.780 fault these people for having a preference. You're a human being. You're going to want either Trump

00:10:32.900 or Harris. That's a fact. But then you have to do your job and call balls and strikes and

00:10:39.300 they don't do it anymore and they can't. All right. I got a story for you. Speaking of

00:10:45.260 the Supreme Court, as I mentioned, there was some fear that if this went up to the Supreme Court,

00:10:50.860 we might have enough justices to overturn New York Times versus Sullivan, which for the record,

00:10:55.180 I do not want. It sets a nice high bar that makes it very, very hard to sue for defamation if

00:11:03.520 you're a public figure. And even as a public figure, I'm fine with that because I'm also a member of the

00:11:07.760 media and I'm an American first. And in America, what distinguishes us from virtually all of the

00:11:12.800 other first world countries, nevermind third, is you can say what you want here. With very,

00:11:18.840 very few limits, you can say what you want. It takes a lot to get a judge issuing an opinion like

00:11:24.020 this against you and having to pay $15 million. It takes 10 times of saying a jury found him civilly

00:11:29.800 liable for rape when we put the screen up on the verdict form up on the screen the other day.

00:11:37.260 Very clearly, it says, is he guilty? Did he commit rape on the civil vert? And it says, no,

00:11:44.040 no. Well, did he commit sexual assault? Yes. You can't. As a news anchor, language matters,

00:11:50.420 especially around legal stuff like that. He said it 10 times. That's why the judge is so mad at him.

00:11:55.300 Anyway, speaking of the Supreme Court, I've got a story for you, okay? A year or so ago,

00:12:01.640 we're always railing on Broadway here. I'm sure you do the same because if you go to Broadway,

00:12:08.360 it used to be a really fun experience. You say you're take your kids, you see a musical, you know,

00:12:12.480 like, oh man, River, you have a good time. Now you go and it's a woke explosion. Doug and I went to

00:12:20.500 see Macbeth with Daniel, what's his name, that James Bond guy, Craig. And it was supposed to be

00:12:28.740 1400 Scotland. It was a majority minority cast. Okay. I don't think so, but okay. One of the lead

00:12:36.300 players was in a wheelchair, which, okay. The king's son was played by a woman who had a blue mohawk.

00:12:46.500 They had gotten rid of all costumes. I guess there's like a budget problem.

00:12:50.840 So the lead character, I think it was the guy in the wheelchair, had a Mickey Mouse shirt on,

00:12:56.000 which is like, what's happening? I'm having difficulty suspending my disbelief here, people.

00:13:01.160 Okay. So that's one. But then my daughter, then 12, went with some friends to a different play.

00:13:09.280 And this play, trust me, I will round it back to the Supreme Court in a second.

00:13:12.300 Okay. This play is showing now and it's called I Juliet. And it was supposed to be this re-imagining

00:13:19.940 of if Juliet had lived and Juliet. And if Juliet had lived, like what would her life have been? Like

00:13:27.300 girl power. I thought, oh, that's fun. And here's just a clip of me reacting after my daughter got back.

00:13:33.940 This is last February in show in episode 715. Watch this.

00:13:40.620 This was so in your face. I mean, for the listening audience, it shows two guys kissing on stage.

00:13:47.960 Obviously, one of them is this guy who goes by he, she, and they, all of them, Adam, all of them.

00:13:53.580 It's just so happy that now we're celebrating queer love, which is not at all what I thought

00:13:59.080 something based on Shakespeare and about Juliet's next chapter was going to be. How about the

00:14:05.340 non-disclosure of any of this in the write-up about the show? Don't we parents get a right to

00:14:12.300 make a call? You could be sending a much younger child than 12 there. My kid and I have talked

00:14:18.300 about these issues many times, but many haven't. This could be their first exposure to it.

00:14:22.920 It's not up to Broadway to do that. Okay. So that was the two of us talking about how that play is

00:14:29.480 covered with a bunch of trans people doing kissing and whatever. Well, not everyone has a problem

00:14:36.260 with Ann Juliet, because would you look at who guest starred in it on Broadway within the past week?

00:14:46.640 Sot 18 for the listening audience. It is Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson.

00:14:53.980 Female empowerment.

00:15:01.200 Sick. I like it too. I think what I like about it is that I am having a very strongly negative

00:15:08.640 reaction to it. Like I hate it, which makes me think it must be brilliant.

00:15:16.640 Got this feeling in my body. Can't stop the feeling. Got this feeling in my body.

00:15:23.820 I can't stop the feeling. Come on. I want to see you love your body.

00:15:28.900 I get it. I made it to Broadway. Come on.

00:15:35.200 Thoughts on that, Adam?

00:15:36.500 Well, my thoughts are, I have a multitude of thoughts, Megan.

00:15:43.300 One is the left is able and feels fine wearing their politics and their culture sort of on their

00:15:52.980 sleeve, you know? Like if there was a right-wing justice doing some old play that Charlton Heston,

00:16:02.180 you know, that was gun-centric and male-centric, you know, they would get slammed. They wouldn't do

00:16:09.460 it. They would say, I don't like the optics of it. You're like, I'm on the Supreme Court. I'm

00:16:14.620 conservative. And you want me to do a play with an all-white male cast about early settlers and how

00:16:21.320 guns settled the West? They would just go, I'm going to get slammed. I don't like the optics of it.

00:16:27.180 I'm not going to do it. People on the left do not care. I mean, it's like, I, you know, I live in LA.

00:16:33.760 I would see a thousand Biden bumper stickers, a thousand Harris bumper stickers, a thousand

00:16:39.020 Hillary bumper stickers, and no Trump bumper stickers, even though there's a significant

00:16:44.540 amount of people voted for Trump. So it's kind of interesting that they don't have a mirror and

00:16:50.820 sort of look at themselves and go, yes, I'm progressive. And yes, I will vote progressive

00:16:57.300 on all these cases, even if it makes me look like an idiot, but I don't like the optics of it.

00:17:03.220 Circling back to Stephanopoulos, like I should at least look like an umpire. Stephanopoulos' job is to

00:17:09.860 look like an umpire. Her job is to look like an umpire. And when you go out and do these kinds of

00:17:16.360 large, um, public displays, then we're going to know your politics and you're not going to look

00:17:23.060 like an umpire anymore. Um, number one, number two, I think Broadway is really the epicenter,

00:17:33.720 the, the, the, the nougat inside the candy bar of the progressive movement. You know, you say

00:17:40.640 college campuses and college faculty, Hollywood, things like that. But Broadway is probably the

00:17:50.280 purest, uncut, unstepped on progressive ism in on the planet. Right.

00:18:00.460 Well, yeah. I mean, I like, I used to love it. Didn't like I, when I grew up going to Broadway,

00:18:07.520 when I was younger, it wasn't like this. And I know it's woke and I know it's always been very

00:18:13.820 gay. That's just different. That's different. There there's a reason more and more groups are

00:18:18.360 going LGB, LGB and breaking up with the T because they see the T as a group that wants to perform

00:18:26.240 conversion therapy on young gay boys to say, you're not actually gay. You're actually a girl,

00:18:32.300 a straight girl. And so like, it's very dicey now for them to be embracing the T so heartily.

00:18:39.280 In fact, we went to a play not long ago and one of the actors in the play noticed me sitting there

00:18:46.240 and I had done a post on my Instagram celebrating the show. And one of the actors responded saying,

00:18:52.640 oh, it was great to see you there. You know, you should have come backstage and say,

00:18:56.940 have said hello. And then these trans people get on. They're like, we will cancel you. You,

00:19:03.660 you like her. You said something night. Like they're so over the top now. And even if you try

00:19:09.600 to go there and say, or I'm going to ignore these far left extremists who are trying to trans little

00:19:14.700 boys, um, they make it impossible. They're it's they're everywhere. Every other role is a trans role

00:19:21.420 now, far more representative than it is in society. And to the point where it's like fine for a Supreme

00:19:26.680 court justice, they've hijacked girl empowerment plays to make them about boy empowerment, which

00:19:31.940 is what a trans quote woman is. And she's fine. This is the same person who couldn't tell us what

00:19:36.520 a woman is, Adam. Well, I mean, she's not a bright woman. I think she's probably there mostly due to

00:19:45.080 affirmative action. Sotomayor's there mostly because affirmative action and she's a dope too. And then

00:19:51.840 there's Kamala Harris. So that entire affirmative action DEI hire thing has completely utterly backfired

00:19:59.380 because they're not electing and or hiring people that are up to the job. And I include her in that

00:20:09.260 group. Like I said, Sotomayor is a full blown idiot. I mean, she's an idiot. I mean, it's insane that

00:20:15.580 she's on the Supreme court. Remember when the whole COVID thing came down and they were talking about

00:20:20.440 mandatory vaccinations and she's like, there's 10 million kids on ventilators right now. She said,

00:20:25.900 dope. And Kamala Harris is a dope too. And maybe they should learn their lesson with their DEI

00:20:32.680 affirmative action appointments, get qualified people and then do it.

00:20:39.080 And Sonia Sotomayor was the one who two weeks ago, when that case about whether these states are

00:20:44.340 allowed to ban puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for kids went up, she was like, oh, come on,

00:20:49.280 there are side effects from an aspirin too. There are risks as if taking an aspirin is the same

00:20:54.540 as puberty blockers into cross sex hormones for a 10 to 12 year old.

00:20:58.420 Well, the fact that she would consider letting those words pass her lips means she's a dope.

00:21:06.380 Smart people would never say that out loud. Smart people think, oh, what if I, and then they go,

00:21:12.320 oh no, I'm not going to say that. I'll sound like a dope. And so she is a dope, which is crazy.

00:21:19.280 But it's hurting the movement is what I'm saying.

00:21:23.500 Well, and there's certain narratives that are not to be allowed or ever deemed acceptable. And

00:21:29.040 the thought that we are transing children who are actually fine in their sexed body,

00:21:37.880 but just going through some sort of unrelated trauma, whether they've been sexually abused,

00:21:42.640 or they've had a divorce in the family, or they've been bullied, you're not allowed to go there.

00:21:47.320 That's that they consider that conversion therapy of a trans kid. So, you know, there are like these

00:21:54.500 narratives that, that you're not allowed. And one of the narratives that's prohibited outside of the

00:21:58.420 trans lane is that we have a Venezuelan gang migrant crime problem in Aurora, Colorado, right?

00:22:07.780 I, this was up, this came up a lot during the campaign and, uh, back and forth and back and

00:22:12.940 forth between the left and the right on whether there really are gangs of Venezuelan illegals

00:22:17.760 in Aurora, Colorado, taking over apartment complexes. You remember it led, uh, excuse me,

00:22:23.180 to this notable exchange between Martha Raddatz and JD Vance when he went on her show and she was like,

00:22:28.760 uh, it's fine. And he was like, hello, listen. So do you support Donald Trump making those claims

00:22:37.760 that the Republican mayor says were grossly exaggerated? President Trump was actually

00:22:43.020 in Aurora, Colorado talking to people on the ground. And what we're hearing, of course,

00:22:47.620 Martha, is that people are terrified by what has happened with some of these Venezuelan gangs.

00:22:52.400 Senator Vance, I'm gonna stop you because I know exactly what happened. I'm gonna stop you.

00:22:56.640 The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment conflicts, apartment complexes. And

00:23:03.940 the mayor said, our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns. A handful of problems.

00:23:11.460 Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by

00:23:17.880 Venezuelan gangs and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's open border. Americans are so

00:23:24.360 fed up with what's going on and they have every right to be. And I really find this exchange,

00:23:29.700 Martha, sort of interesting because you seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything that

00:23:35.220 Donald Trump has said, rather than acknowledging that apartment complexes in the United States of

00:23:41.460 America are being taken over by violent gangs.

00:23:44.340 Okay, let's just end that with they did not invade or take over the city, as Donald Trump said.

00:23:49.920 I want to move on to- Just a few apartment complexes, no big deal.

00:23:53.720 A few apartment complexes that the mayor did not seem was invading the entire city.

00:23:59.040 She lives in a multimillion dollar estate, which we put on the screen before. Just a quick follow

00:24:04.380 up. Okay, so here was Trump on NBC last week. Okay, we're still at it, the mainstream media trying

00:24:12.220 to say these are lies. Wait, can I say this, Megan? Did you see Martha calling balls and strikes out

00:24:18.940 there? Yeah. Because I didn't. That didn't seem like an umpire to me. That seemed like a fan who got

00:24:25.400 behind the plate. Yes. That's right. Go ahead. And so here, so Trump just last week goes on Kristen

00:24:31.040 Welker's Meet the Press. And listen, what happened? You've talked about prioritizing people who have

00:24:37.160 criminal histories. Correct. But is it your plan to deport everyone who is here illegally over the

00:24:43.240 next four years? Well, I think you have to do it. And it's a very tough thing to do.

00:24:48.960 You're saying, yes, you're going to focus on the people with criminal histories,

00:24:51.980 but everyone who's here illegally has to go. I'm saying this. We have to get the criminals out of

00:24:57.520 our country. And you see what they've done in Colorado and other places. They're taking over,

00:25:01.940 literally taking over apartment complexes and doing it with impunity. They don't care.

00:25:06.920 They just are, they're in the real estate. You know, the local police say that is not the

00:25:12.400 case in Colorado. Oh, it's totally the case. Okay. We knew he was telling the truth. We knew

00:25:19.720 J.D. Vance was telling the truth. And guess what? Guess what just happened? 14 detained in armed Aurora,

00:25:27.820 Colorado home invasion are likely illegal Venezuelan gang members, according to local police.

00:25:36.920 I mean, days after that exchange with NBC, where she knew it's not like, oh, well,

00:25:41.540 it happened after. No, it's been happening. The mainstream media will not admit it, Adam.

00:25:47.740 Yeah. Well, was she calling balls and strikes? I mean, these weren't MSNBC pundits or CNN that this is

00:25:55.460 ABC. This is why we cannot turn to ABC for information. You just saw three starting with

00:26:04.240 Stephanopoulos of their leading news journalists, anchors.

00:26:09.920 Welker's NBC.

00:26:11.860 Oh, I'm sorry. NBC, but mainstream.

00:26:14.000 So they're about two of the main three.

00:26:15.440 Broadcasts. Yes. Okay. So we no longer have to turn there for news, maybe news about an earthquake

00:26:22.020 in Nicaragua, but certainly nothing to do with Trump. Okay. So that's established. They did that to

00:26:28.540 themselves. I don't know why they fell on their own sword that way, but they destroyed their own brand

00:26:34.640 and it's sad. And they keep looking around going, well, you know, Trump says fake news. Why don't

00:26:40.260 people listen to us? People don't listen to you because you've been wrong and lying about everything

00:26:44.740 for a decade and we're done. We hit a saturation point. All right. As far as this stuff goes,

00:26:51.720 whatever it is, it, it all turns out to be true. You know, Hunter Biden's laptop or ivermectin or

00:26:58.560 hydroxychloroquine or where did COVID come from? Did it come from a lab or did it come from a wet

00:27:04.160 market? Well, la-di-da, guess what? Came from a lab, you know, do masks work, herd immunity,

00:27:11.300 whatever, vaccination, efficacy, it all, every single story ends up going the way that the conspiracy

00:27:19.320 theorists or Trump or J.D. Vance or whomever spoke about, you spoke about, I spoke about,

00:27:25.380 it all ends up going that way. So surprise, surprise, this'll be one more log on the fire

00:27:32.360 of stuff we talked about that was poo-pooed and brushed off as hysteria to try to win election.

00:27:40.380 Number one. Number two, I love when they make this argument where they go, and J.D. Vance made it as

00:27:46.860 well. I've made it many times where they go, yes, the young female jogger was killed by the

00:27:52.580 illegal gangbanger who should have been deported, but they commit crime at a much lesser rate than

00:28:00.200 the average. All right, but tell that to the parents of the chick who was jogging like a lesser rate.

00:28:07.740 It should be zero idiots. The person shouldn't be in the goddamn country that the person who was

00:28:14.660 jogging should still be alive. There should be zero Venezuelan gangbangers in Aurora, Colorado.

00:28:21.420 It's not a big problem. Yeah, it should be zero idiots.

00:28:28.320 Yeah, this is the exchange I had with Bill Maher when I went on his show too. He was like,

00:28:31.900 oh, like Americans don't commit crime. I'm like, we have to take them. We can't kick the Americans

00:28:38.780 out. We can put them in jail. We can't kick them out. Why are we having to deal with the Venezuelan

00:28:42.700 illegals committing these kinds of crimes? And listen to the one that I just gave you the headline

00:28:47.200 of. This is at a group of apartments, again, where we were told by the mainstream media they

00:28:54.660 had not taken over. And here's the story. They kidnapped two victims, a male and a female,

00:29:01.960 and assaulted them. 13 to 15 gang members, mostly males, some females, entered an apartment where two

00:29:09.040 people were inside. They took the migrant victims to another apartment at the same location where the

00:29:14.400 victims were threatened and bound, pistol whipped, beaten, and stabbed. Even the local police chief

00:29:23.740 saying, yeah, sounds like torture to me. And then they described this as follows. The Aurora police

00:29:31.320 chief, Todd Chamberlain on Tuesday described a bit of the crime. Stop five.

00:29:38.040 Victims. It was a male and a female. They were accosted by approximately 13 to 15 armed individuals.

00:29:46.900 Again, they were pistol whipped. They were beat. They were mistreated. One of the, the male was

00:29:51.200 actually stabbed. He had a stab wound. So does that fall in the category of torture for me? Yeah,

00:29:56.140 it does. And I can guarantee you, I will give you my expertise and my knowledge of what I believe.

00:30:00.980 This is without question, a gang incident. There are Venezuelans involved. So again,

00:30:05.480 Oh, you don't say. There is a high assumption that they may be affiliated or affiliated with the TDA

00:30:09.920 gang. Again, we have a gang problem in Aurora. Without question. We have 25 some gangs like every

00:30:15.160 major city does. We have a number of gang members. And it's not just up in that area. It's not just in

00:30:20.440 that complex. It's throughout the entire city of Aurora. I'm just like, do you think Martha

00:30:27.280 Raddatz or Kristen Welker will be playing this story and that soundbite? It's just people are

00:30:33.860 being, I don't know. Are they being misled? I think Democrats are being misled. I think they believe

00:30:38.640 these sources still, and they still are scratching their heads. Like, I don't get it. Morning Joe told

00:30:44.160 me that she was going to win. And also Joe Biden was fine. Yeah. Uh, the Kristen Welker clip that's

00:30:51.540 fun to go back in the way back machine and look at is when Trump was debating Biden and he brought up

00:31:00.260 Russia, Russia, Russia. And he was saying that, uh, you know, his son took money from Ukraine and

00:31:06.780 that heated exchange where Biden was saying me, you took money from Ukraine, your son. I never did

00:31:14.160 anything. We have 51 intelligence experts. Kristen Welker's trying to moderate and she keeps yelling.

00:31:22.000 Can we get back to race? Can we get back to the subject of race? It's the funniest thing ever. It's

00:31:27.860 like a perfect time capsule. Like these guys are arguing about the biggest story of the year. And she's

00:31:33.240 like, what about race, sir? Let's talk about what happened to race. Can we get back to arguing about

00:31:39.460 race? Could you two old white guys get back to arguing about race, please? It's so funny to hear

00:31:45.900 her yelling about race and the background. It's perfect. Like, yes, argue about another person

00:31:52.700 obsessed with race is this representative Jasmine Crockett, who is constantly, constantly playing

00:31:57.300 the race card, accusing everybody of racism on Capitol Hill. Here she is talking about what

00:32:02.900 the, what the gang problem is to her. Take a listen. He said that we've got these cities

00:32:08.520 and these towns that are being overrun by gangs and the crime out of control. I absolutely agree

00:32:14.300 with that. And guess what? It's the MAGA gang. It is the white supremacists that have decided to

00:32:20.260 descend upon places such as Springfield, Ohio. The problems are him and his minions. The problems

00:32:27.080 aren't the people that have come to make our economy stronger. I agree that there are problems

00:32:33.360 in our communities, but usually it's some white supremacists on the other side.

00:32:39.700 She's from Texas. Texas getting bluer and bluer, but that's their representative out there spewing

00:32:44.400 that nonsense in response to Trump's original claim back at the debate.

00:32:47.960 Well, there's something that's very dangerous, which is they ran on race. So the Democrats are all,

00:32:55.300 you know, they race hustle and they run on race, right? So what they do is they lay something down.

00:33:02.080 They go, well, this country was founded by racists and it's, uh, it's embedded in our DNA and blah,

00:33:08.320 blah, blah. And Biden, who didn't turn out to be a moderate at all, he turned out to be another race

00:33:14.980 hustler, started immediately with the white supremacies, the biggest problem this country faces.

00:33:21.240 And he got Ray from the FBI and Garland from the DOJ. And he got everybody coached up on working

00:33:28.840 the white supremacy as a big problem angle, uh, which is fine. They're just hustling and lying

00:33:35.440 and agitating black people and people of color and, and white people and everybody in the nation as

00:33:40.600 well, which is, it should be a dereliction of duty, but fine. They're bad people with no moral compass.

00:33:46.120 But the real problem is, is once you make the proclamation that white supremacy is the biggest

00:33:52.060 problem this country faces, then you better go find some white supremacy. And that's what happened

00:33:58.680 with January 6th. That's what happened with all these FBI raids on, you know, somebody was, you know,

00:34:04.320 protesting an abortion clinic, 30 feet away with his son. They had to create numbers and statistics

00:34:12.300 to back up their false assertions about white supremacy. And that's when it gets dangerous

00:34:18.620 because that's when citizens start getting locked up so that they can have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:34:27.760 Hmm. I mean, wow. Speaking of the Duke lacrosse case, right?

00:34:32.240 Right.

00:34:33.540 That's right on point with what just happened this week with Crystal Mangum finally admitting she made

00:34:38.280 the whole thing up. I mean, like, I don't know. Do you think they were having a debate about this

00:34:42.940 on the editors this week? Uh, the national review podcast, which I love. And they were asking,

00:34:47.980 do you think the Duke lacrosse case would have unfolded the same way today as it did back in 2006?

00:34:56.840 Would we be more circumspect about this woman's allegations in 2024, almost 25 America,

00:35:03.460 or would, would the media have run with it tenfold and even more egregiously than it did?

00:35:12.880 I think you and I and folks like us would have been considerate about it and give it some thought,

00:35:20.500 but I don't think the ladies from the view have moved a millimeter since, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse

00:35:28.260 or Jussie Smollett or whatever, whatever they got wrong. They get something wrong every single week.

00:35:33.720 Uh, I don't think they would have moved. I don't think the aforementioned anchors we just saw from

00:35:38.180 the two networks would have backed off this thing. I don't think the Al Sharptons or the, or, or even

00:35:44.120 the Obamas or the Michelle Obamas or the Oprahs or the Hollywood types, the, the race hustlers out

00:35:50.060 there. I don't think any of them would have acted any differently. You know, they don't learn lessons.

00:35:55.400 That's part of why the reason they make the same mistakes over and over again is because they never

00:36:00.240 learn from their last mistake. They sailed right through COVID. They sailed right through COVID,

00:36:06.560 never tapped, never tapped the brakes, never looked around, never thought, Hmm, what, what did I get

00:36:12.580 wrong? What can I take ownership? What do I owe someone an apology for? None of them have a rear view

00:36:18.020 mirror. They sailed through four years of being wrong about COVID and never even looked back.

00:36:23.560 The ladies of the view are among those who are just baffled at the right wing backlash to Caitlin

00:36:31.520 Clark coming out and saying when nominated or honored as time magazines athlete of the year,

00:36:38.180 I do want to acknowledge my white privilege and, um, point out that what would really be nice is for,

00:36:44.740 uh, the black women on whose backs this league was built to be spotlighted and elevated. They don't

00:36:51.520 get why, especially post the Trump election. Many of us saw that as an absurd statement for her to be

00:36:57.780 asserting her white privilege as opposed to her athletic accomplishment and getting this honor.

00:37:04.440 They don't get it, Adam. They're not going to get it no matter how many times Trump or a Trump

00:37:08.660 accolade wins an election national or state, et cetera. Yeah. Well, I got news for the ladies.

00:37:16.140 It's Caitlin Clark is a great athlete, but the greatest female athlete, and I'm, I'm including

00:37:23.620 Serena and Venus and all the great ones. The greatest female athlete of all time is Caitlin

00:37:29.320 Jenner. So sorry, ladies. Dude is the greatest female athlete of all time. Ladies. Sorry. I don't

00:37:38.620 want to ruin your week. He can crush all of us. Oh, can I tell you something? Speaking of he,

00:37:43.000 and I like Caitlin actually. Um, and I mean him, no disrespect by using he, he knows why I do it.

00:37:49.540 Um, but there was just an unbelievable ruling out of your state. You won't be surprised to learn.

00:37:55.360 It's so annoying. Um, there, there was a judge out there. Okay, hold on a judge in California.

00:38:02.740 I got to back up just to explain what happened. A man who had never said he was secretly a woman,

00:38:09.040 you know, he was feeling like a woman inside until he was convicted and sent to prison for a long,

00:38:15.420 long time. Then suddenly he decides when he hears that they've changed the rules in California,

00:38:20.280 such that men who say they're female can go into women's prisons. I'm trans. I'm trans. Well,

00:38:25.960 he gets transferred to a woman's prison and guess what he does. He raped somebody. He allegedly rapes

00:38:31.120 a female, uh, prisoner. And now he's in the middle of a trial for that crime. He is in the

00:38:39.780 middle of being tried for that crime. Well, guess what? Here's what happened. Um, this is according

00:38:45.460 to the women's liberation front, which is attending the trial and documenting what's happening.

00:38:49.000 The California DA for this area, Eric do temple gets into court and argues this man raped this female

00:38:56.420 prisoner. It's deeply wrong, blah, blah, blah. And the prisoner objects saying he, he needs to refer

00:39:02.740 to me as a she and her, the male prisoner who committed the rape. I'm she, her, the judge pauses

00:39:09.680 the proceedings to take it under consideration. Well, guess what? Yesterday, the judge made a final

00:39:15.000 decision or yesterday, the day before. And the decision is that the prosecutor must refer to the

00:39:21.760 defendant male rapist as a she, her during the trial, which we believe is a first for a criminal

00:39:29.540 case. This is unbelievable. The prosecutor has to stand up in front of the jury. This is him. This

00:39:35.860 is our woman. This is she, her. The prosecutor has to say she raped the female inmate. What in the actual

00:39:45.380 F, Adam? You know, it's an interesting ploy and it happens. It's happened a few times and it's

00:39:54.420 actually kind of effective because there was a trial or a crime out here in Los Angeles. And you

00:40:02.380 probably remember it. That's probably about five years ago now where a young, I don't know, eight or

00:40:09.040 nine year old girl went to a bathroom at a Denny's and then a male went in and raped, sexually assaulted

00:40:16.720 the kid and then decided to become a he, she, her, you know, was talking to his dad over prison phone,

00:40:23.840 laughing, saying he's gaming the system, so on and so forth. That was a few years ago. But

00:40:28.520 when I was reading the article and the news story about it in the Los Angeles Times, because the Los

00:40:36.640 Angeles Times is stupid and woke and has to go with the pronouns and everything. So the story and

00:40:43.340 the pronouns were like they. OK, so imagine you're reading a story. The story is an eight year old girl

00:40:52.400 goes into a bathroom at a restaurant and a 25 year old male goes into the bathroom and rapes the eight

00:41:00.120 year old in the bathroom. That's the story. But when you're reading the article, it says, you know, a

00:41:06.820 minor went to the bathroom, then they went into the bathroom after her and then she they pulled out her

00:41:17.940 penis and then she raped she and they raped. And after reading it for five minutes, you just go, I don't even know what's

00:41:27.720 going on. Leave him alone. I'm moving on. I can't figure this out. They went in. No, he no, no. She

00:41:34.840 wait a minute. She right there. Was it a gang rape? Was it? No, it was she. Should she rape the other

00:41:41.520 girl? It's like perfect. It's perfect. The jury just goes, I. I give up. I don't know. I don't I don't

00:41:48.760 know what this is. And it works of this man, this man, this picture of this man insisting and succeeding

00:41:57.120 and being called she her in court was taken. What is it, Deb March, April? This is this was

00:42:04.240 last April. This is not like 10 years ago before the transition. This is a man working the system.

00:42:11.560 And those idiots in California are allowing it. They couldn't give two shits about the female

00:42:18.700 prisoners in California. They don't care. It's absolutely outrageous. And by the way, that judge's

00:42:25.800 order should be appealed. It's unconstitutional. You cannot force speech like this. You cannot force

00:42:30.900 this compromise of the victims rights by confusing the jury in this way. I don't think this is going

00:42:36.060 to be they should appeal it. This should this should not be allowed. OK, a couple of things I want to get

00:42:39.820 to. Have you been following the drones? I've have my eye in the sky, but I do not claim to have any

00:42:49.660 special information on the drones. Well, everybody in the Northeast is talking about it because

00:42:55.360 everyone's seeing them. They're everywhere. And first we were told we weren't. And then we were

00:42:59.480 told, oh, it's nothing. And then we were told, oh, it's just the same amount of drones that are always

00:43:03.760 out there. Like you're just you're inventing it in your head. You've heard the story and now you're

00:43:07.880 seeing what's not there. Totally untrue. That's just not true. Then yesterday, finally, the Pentagon

00:43:12.920 and others came out and said, oh, it's like a collection. It's like hobbyists, commercial

00:43:17.940 fixed wing aircraft and also law enforcement, a lot of law enforcement. Like they just drop it in

00:43:23.900 there like we're. Yeah, we know that that's what it appears to be. It's it could be federal law

00:43:28.940 enforcement. It could be CIA, could be FBI, could be Pentagon. That's all law enforcement. And now the

00:43:34.120 speculation is, of course, what are they doing up there? What law enforcement what are law enforcement

00:43:38.900 drones looking for? And here is New Jersey mayor of Bellevue, Michael Melhan, with some new information.

00:43:47.820 It's hot 12. We also know that we have drones that are flying in a grid like pattern. In my opinion,

00:43:53.540 they're looking for something. What might they be looking for? Well, potentially we're aware of a

00:43:58.600 threat that came in through Port Norque. Maybe that's radioactive material. There was and there is

00:44:03.460 an alert that's out right now that radioactive material in New Jersey has gone missing on December

00:44:08.520 2nd. It was a shipment. What? It arrived at its destination. The container was damaged and was

00:44:14.340 empty. So potentially we're looking for that. Stop right there, Mayor, because that's very important

00:44:18.440 information. And that came from a credible source. That came from the U.S. government.

00:44:23.860 And so it's missing? Missing. And they think it's in New Jersey or it could be anywhere? It was lost in

00:44:30.120 New Jersey in transit. And again, this is just an example of what I think that we're sniffing for.

00:44:35.720 Okay. Okay. It's like we've lost radioactive. This is like a scene at a back to the future,

00:44:43.140 Adam. Remember Doc stole a whole thing of plutonium to make the DeLorean run? Where's

00:44:49.300 our radioactive material? And is that what the drones are looking for? We don't know,

00:44:53.420 but this is why people are freaked out. Well, to me, it speaks to a larger picture and a huge problem

00:45:04.200 with the current time we're living in and especially the Biden administration.

00:45:09.180 If you heard Biden comment on the drones or Mayorkas comment on the drones or Kamala Harris

00:45:16.460 comment on the drones or Kareem Jean-Pierre comment on the drones, would you believe one word that came

00:45:24.300 out of their mouth? No. Okay. So that's a problem. Everybody I've spoke to, I go, what do you think?

00:45:34.560 And what if Biden came out and gave a presser on the drones? Would you believe any of it?

00:45:40.360 Or anyone from the FBI or anyone from the CIA, or like I said, Mayorkas or Homeland Security,

00:45:46.520 whatever. And they all go, no, I wouldn't believe anything they said. Why should we? And it's like,

00:45:51.680 wow, that's kind of a weird testimonial. You know what I mean? That's a weird position to be in

00:45:58.200 in the United States of America. I've been here for a while. I remember a day when if the president

00:46:05.100 came out, made a comment or statement about it, or the director of Homeland Security or FBI or DOJ or

00:46:11.740 whomever, CIA, I would tend to believe them. I no longer believe anything they said. I wouldn't,

00:46:19.460 I wouldn't believe anything Biden says or that comes out of the Biden administration. I don't

00:46:25.380 think he gets enough credit for being a liar. Yeah. Enough credit. Yeah. Let me show you back

00:46:32.900 to back. Biden on the drones on Tuesday and Trump on the drones on Monday. Watch this.

00:46:38.220 What's behind all of that? Nothing nefarious, apparently. But they're checking it all out.

00:46:52.540 They just, I think it's just one. There's a lot of drones authorized up there. I think one started

00:47:00.020 and they all, God, everybody's wanting to get in the deal. The government knows what is happening.

00:47:05.600 Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that

00:47:12.900 garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don't want to

00:47:18.980 comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our military knows and our president knows.

00:47:24.880 And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy because

00:47:30.780 it was the enemy that blasted out. Even if they were late, they'd blasted. Something strange is

00:47:37.360 going on. For some reason, they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are

00:47:41.140 really, I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster. They're very, they're very close to Bedminster.

00:47:49.040 I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided to cancel my trip.

00:47:54.880 Such a difference. For those who couldn't hear Biden, what he said was nothing nefarious,

00:48:00.840 apparently, but they're checking it all out. There's a lot of drones authorized up there.

00:48:06.340 I think one started and they all got everybody's want to get in the deal.

00:48:13.820 And then there was Trump. They know and they should just tell people.

00:48:18.300 Remember 10 minutes ago when everyone was explaining to us the adults are back in charge

00:48:24.000 and now we have integrity and transparency. We're going to have full transparency.

00:48:31.160 How insane is the last four years been in terms of the adults and transparency?

00:48:39.080 I mean, he, I, he just, if I said to Joe Biden, how do you like your eggs? And he said,

00:48:46.540 sunny side up. I just yell liar.

00:48:48.360 I don't think he knows. That's the question. At this point, at this point, runny, I don't know,

00:48:56.380 like very soft boiled. There's a, there's a New York times article called a weary Biden heads for

00:49:04.800 the exit. They talk about how he's falling asleep at his international events. He went to some museum.

00:49:11.160 They had to bring the exhibits out to him as he walked away from one event. Everybody there

00:49:15.620 cowered in fear that he was going to tumble over. And they say, it's hard to imagine that he seriously

00:49:20.640 thought he could do the world's most stressful job for another four years. A lie. The New York times

00:49:25.300 was peddling just months ago, Adam, but now it's really hard to imagine how he thought he could do

00:49:31.240 it. Yeah. Well, the New York times not calling balls and strikes. So we don't have to listen to

00:49:38.140 them either, but yeah, I, I just don't feel like Biden. It's, it's funny because we're focusing on

00:49:46.540 Biden being sort of out of it, deteriorating mentally, just like they wanted us to focus on

00:49:53.140 Hunter Biden. Like this guy had a substance abuse problem. This guy beat his problem, but he had

00:49:59.080 demons. It's like, no, no, he was a grifter and a thief and Biden is corrupt and a thief. Yeah. He

00:50:06.360 also has dementia and yeah, his son also loved crack, but first and foremost, they were thieves

00:50:13.080 and grifters who were trading on the Biden name and enriching themselves. So don't lose focus of that.

00:50:20.620 This shall be the legacy. Adam Carolla, always great to see you. Thank you so much for being here.

00:50:26.760 Oh, it's great to see you, Megan. All right. Up next, we stay out on the left coast with Justine

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00:51:54.560 And now we turn to someone I cannot wait to talk to. Here with me today, filmmaker and author,

00:52:00.580 Justine Bateman. Justine joined me way back in 2021 in episode 81, which you should definitely go back

00:52:08.700 and check out. We were just babies back then on this show, and she's been crushing it on social media

00:52:14.000 since then, especially as of late, saying how many of us feel after the seismic 2024 election. But in

00:52:20.680 her case, it's especially brave because she is a Hollywood person, and you know how it is to be

00:52:27.100 honest about politics out there. She's also been sounding the alarm about the dangers of AI, which we

00:52:33.720 discussed yesterday with guest Tristan Harris. You should go back and listen to that if you haven't

00:52:38.420 heard a very scary story about something called character AI. Justine, welcome back to the show.

00:52:44.000 Hi, good to see you again. Oh, great to see you too. So we'll get to the AI stuff. This is really,

00:52:51.180 really interesting. But how do you feel now? Here we are one month and a couple of weeks post

00:52:57.960 the November 5th seismic change in America. And I don't know, I mean, I know you don't say who you

00:53:03.800 vote for, but how are you feeling about the future? Um, I, I think this is great. It was, um, long overdue.

00:53:13.280 Um, uh, yeah, just that, that mob mentality momentum that's necessary to maintain an atmosphere

00:53:23.560 where your job, uh, can be destroyed. Your social standing can be destroyed. Your children's lives

00:53:30.240 at their school can be destroyed. Um, that momentum ended, uh, with the, like the very large national

00:53:39.520 poll of what people want, which is our national presidential election, uh, kind of set the stage

00:53:47.700 for that being over. And that's the kind of momentum you need for things like, uh, the, um,

00:53:55.520 if people remember the, um, McCarthy trials, the HUAC trials, the blacklisting, um, in the fifties,

00:54:02.940 the witch burning of the 1600s, even things like tulip mania also of the 1600s. Um, if you don't have

00:54:11.860 that momentum, you can't, you don't have the structure you need to ruin people's lives. So that's

00:54:16.860 over. How did we get sucked into it? So fully, I think it started with the me too movement. Um,

00:54:30.520 and I did an essay on this, on my sub stack where me too. I think if you're somebody who's prone to

00:54:39.820 feel left out, this is the worst era for you to be in because you know, if you're left out

00:54:46.840 in, in prior eras, you would know if you were left out in, uh, your small group, your town, maybe

00:54:55.340 your work environment, your school. But now it's like, you know, if you're left out of the entire

00:55:01.160 world, because what you posted on social media, it didn't get any likes, or you're not part of the

00:55:07.880 hashtag. And so you can look on, see the trending topics and you can see that you are not part of

00:55:15.380 it. And I think that was true for a lot of women when they saw the me too, um, the hashtag trending

00:55:23.480 and all these women in the very unfortunate and not enviable situation of having been victims of,

00:55:35.640 uh, criminal sexual assault, but it was a big topic. And I think a lot of women felt left out

00:55:43.340 and then they started kind of lowering the bar to what qualifies for that. And it became sort of the

00:55:49.720 me, me, me, me too movement. And also we started glorifying. There was a lot of attention on people

00:55:56.100 who have a PTSD or, you know, maybe from having been a victim of sexual assault or other reasons.

00:56:03.960 And there was focus on that too. And so people want to be part of that as well.

00:56:08.760 They wanted to, you know, they kind of scrambled within themselves to see like, well, can't I qualify

00:56:14.820 somehow? Don't I have some sort of trauma somehow? And then they started wearing it on their,

00:56:23.580 like almost, almost on a Girl Scout stash, you know, little, uh, badges and you could see it on

00:56:29.420 their profiles. I'm a, this, I'm a, that, I'm, you know, and they started sort of highlighting all

00:56:35.080 the ways that they were, they could qualify for invisible disabilities or me, me, me, me too.

00:56:44.060 And then it became a sacred cow. I think it's that Megan, like as soon as something becomes a sacred

00:56:50.160 cow, you're screwed, you know? And then it became like, Oh, you can't touch that. You can't touch

00:56:55.820 anything to do with sexual assault. You can't do touch anything to do with, uh, you can't question

00:57:01.420 anybody. You can't, well, look at the animals. I saw a video of somebody pulling, putting a great

00:57:07.220 Dane on an airplane. That's their emotional support. Oh, yes. It's so ridiculous. And people

00:57:14.840 afraid to push back because it was so easy on social media. There was that momentum, right? It was so easy

00:57:21.220 on social media to destroy your career, get you fired. And for anyone who says it's not true,

00:57:28.400 you're, you're either kidding yourself or you're, you're, you're just kidding yourself. It's, it's,

00:57:36.220 it's, it's childish to say that that wasn't true. I know people for whom that's true. So it absolutely

00:57:43.480 happened. And, um, okay. Let me ask you this. Cause I look back at the beginning of the Me Too movement

00:57:48.920 and in the beginning, I think there were some noble moments, you know, I am thrilled that Harvey

00:57:57.140 Weinstein's no longer in power, but Les Moonves is no longer in power. You know, some real villains,

00:58:03.460 at least with respect to the way they treated women went down. And I loved that. I think that's

00:58:07.920 worth celebrating because we had been living in an era in which they had total control and women really

00:58:12.880 did kind of have to go along to get along or just leave the industry, you know? And, and then I

00:58:19.680 really think like the, the pivotal moment was Kavanaugh, but they tried to Kavanaugh, you know,

00:58:25.240 it's a verb now to be Kavanaugh, right? We're like, he's an alleged gang rapist and he's been on the

00:58:31.160 federal bench for all these years. We never knew. And you know, who's pushing those claims? Oh, it's

00:58:35.700 Michael Avenatti who would wind up in prison himself, right? For defrauding his own clients and being

00:58:41.680 a professional liar and thief. So that was pivotal, but you're right. Cause there was a jump the shark

00:58:47.900 moment. And I remember being on the set at NBC where I talked to a lot of these women and there

00:58:53.640 was one young woman who sat there and her complaint was that her boss was, was complimenting how nice

00:59:01.980 she looked in her dress. And I remember saying to her, come on, like what? And she was,

00:59:11.680 very defensive of how no, like it's inappropriate. I, I just don't know how, like in the same way,

00:59:19.040 like black lives matter, you know, yes. Are there some incidents where we have some bad cops who do

00:59:24.360 some very bad things? Of course. So then this momentum starts, but we, we just over-correct

00:59:30.600 everything to the point of completely bastardizing the movements. And there's a large segment of the

00:59:36.960 population that when the movement breaks, it reaches the point of absurdity because it's been

00:59:41.760 so exploited. They cannot get off the train. They just, they cannot admit that something that once

00:59:48.100 may have had a noble goal or, you know, taken down a true villain here or there is no longer,

00:59:53.440 um, admirable is no longer characterized with valor of any kind is no longer about standing up for

01:00:02.320 anybody who's downtrodden, but really more about being a bully and being a movement that gets used

01:00:09.440 for someone's ulterior motives. Yeah. But for those people who were taking advantage of it,

01:00:16.620 that was always true. So imagine what, where were those people before they decided they were going to

01:00:23.020 join these hashtags, even though they didn't qualify, what was going on in their lives? What kind of people

01:00:29.760 were they? And I would hazard to guess that they were lost. They didn't know what they were going

01:00:36.420 to do with their lives. Uh, they felt like they were of no consequence. They felt like they were

01:00:41.640 not important. They felt like they had no, nobody was going to listen to them about anything. And maybe

01:00:47.300 their people, maybe they were people who had not looked within themselves at their own basket of skills

01:00:53.640 and talents that I believe every single person is born with. And they haven't bothered to develop any

01:00:59.640 of those. So you take these people and this attention that they got through lowering the bar

01:01:07.080 to qualify for these hashtags. Um, they were able to use it almost like a drug. So now you have a bunch

01:01:17.640 of addicts, if you will, and their drug has been removed from them. So they are flailing there.

01:01:24.600 And now you see them grabbing onto things like, um, yeah, let's go after all these other CEOs. And

01:01:33.160 I'm like, okay, yes, talk about absurd. Like it's becoming even more absurd because just like a junkie,

01:01:40.200 you take away their, their drug or an alcoholic or, or, uh, an, uh, and an anorexic or a compulsive

01:01:47.180 overeater, like you name it, a workaholic, a sexaholic, anything you take any, you take the

01:01:52.020 drug away from them before they've hit bottom. And there's going to be, you're going to have

01:01:57.960 something that's beyond a panic attack. And that's what a lot of people are experiencing now, because

01:02:02.640 what it means is they will have to go back, pick up where they left off before they hitch their

01:02:09.060 wagon to these hashtags. They're going to have to go back there. I think it's a great opportunity

01:02:14.360 for them. They're going to have to go back to that point where they left off and start developing

01:02:18.720 their own basket of skills and talents. And I think if they do that and put in that work,

01:02:23.320 they will see that they do have value. They do have, they do have a skillset that is a value in

01:02:31.300 society. So I'm excited for them, but it's, it's, it's going to be uncomfortable for them right now.

01:02:38.000 It's going to take a while. That is such an interesting and apt point. I hadn't even

01:02:43.280 considered that this weird cult status of this accused shooter, Luigi Mangione, who very much

01:02:51.340 appears to have killed Brian Thompson, United healthcare CEO, and is accused of such that it's

01:02:57.580 related to this cult. Well, the reaction, right? Yeah. They're looking for a new cause. Let me just

01:03:05.440 give you another number and then I'll give it back to you. Uh, we talked yesterday about a poll that

01:03:09.080 showed 40, 41% of 18 to 29 year olds, 41% approve of what Luigi did. Allegedly that this murder

01:03:20.280 approve only 40% of that cohort says they disapprove. So basically tied, but the fact that it's tied on

01:03:28.580 approve, disapprove this murder of just his only sin was being the CEO of United healthcare is

01:03:35.020 astonishing. And then here's more, um, this is poll tracker, uh, pointing out today, favorability of

01:03:41.940 Luigi by age 18 to 29 favorable opinion of him, him 39% of that cohort has a favorable opinion,

01:03:49.420 30% unfavorable, 30 to 44 year olds, unfavorable, 29 favorable, 28. So it's basically tied for 30 to

01:03:58.540 44 year olds on the, whether they approve of this guy. And then as you get older, it goes down

01:04:04.320 unfavorable within the 45 to 64, us Gen Xers 49% unfavorable, favorable, 14, 65 and up unfavorable,

01:04:13.980 63 favorable, five, but unbelievable. Justine. Well, I think, I think you're seeing a lot of

01:04:19.980 cognitive dissonance with, with him and also this teenage girl who did this shooting recently.

01:04:29.140 I forget in Wisconsin, right? And so cognitive dissonance is interesting. It's a, you know,

01:04:36.020 where you can't hold two ideas, two different ideas in your head at the same time. So people are going,

01:04:43.420 Oh, well, somebody murdered somebody and, um, Oh, he's, he's well off. Oh, and he's educated. And,

01:04:50.540 um, there's nothing in his social media that seems to indicate that he's, that he's insane or holds

01:04:58.780 ideas that are in opposition of their positions. And do you see, like, he doesn't fit into, uh, the

01:05:08.420 category that they expect, uh, or that anybody really expects who expects that. And this school

01:05:16.600 shooter, aren't we used to the school shooters being, I don't know, radicalized young men, or

01:05:24.680 maybe I'm, I'm speaking that incorrectly. I mean, isn't that usually 19 to 26 year old men,

01:05:30.660 but now you have a young woman teenager who's railing against misogyny. You see, so these two kill,

01:05:39.000 it's an interesting timing for them. They're both murderers. That's it. A murderer. They're both

01:05:46.120 murderers. Neither one of them doing it out of self-defense. So in society, as far as I'm concerned,

01:05:53.500 that is abhorrent and not to be, it's unacceptable in our society. You can't have a society,

01:06:01.620 a cohesive society, if that kind of thing is acceptable, obviously. But I think, yeah,

01:06:07.440 what I said, I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance for many, many people that these two

01:06:13.000 killers are the types of people that they are. I definitely think it relates to like the,

01:06:20.600 we're kind of talking about the rise of wokeism to the explosion of wokeism. And I think

01:06:24.520 they're directly related to the loss of a national identity, a patriotic thread that binds us

01:06:31.860 together. You know, when we grew up, that was instilled in the classroom. You'd stand up every

01:06:35.620 morning and say the pledge, you know, I mean, we used to sing my country tis of thee in my class in

01:06:40.880 the mornings. It was, and that's gone. And so was religion in the public square, which was absolutely

01:06:46.400 one of the things that we saw the country founded on. And it's been erased and erased and erased and

01:06:50.920 replaced with active school shooter drills. And there's a, there's a search for meaning.

01:06:58.880 Yeah. Uh, and be interesting to like, to see where that started. I really liked doing the pledge of

01:07:07.660 allegiance at, when I was a kid, I'm sorry to hear that. That's, I know that's not been a part of the

01:07:13.220 regular school, um, mornings for a while now. And that's too bad. I'm not opposed to religion,

01:07:20.760 not being in schools, or you said, you didn't say schools. You said the town square, public square.

01:07:27.560 You know, it's interesting. The spirituality, the decline, you know, when you look, there's a chart,

01:07:35.440 right? The decline is really sharp. The fall off. I don't know when, when the, the,

01:07:39.900 the sort of steep descent begins, but maybe Megan, it has to do with the kind of flattening of culture

01:07:49.800 that the internet, uh, uh, you know, public facing internet, uh, introduced. And look, there's a lot

01:07:58.820 of great things about the internet. And one of the consequences though, was a flattening of culture,

01:08:04.360 a flattening of time too. Like imagine, uh, some interview that I did in 1987, you could find in a

01:08:13.080 magazine, a 1987 issue of a magazine, and it's in context. You see other people that were, you know,

01:08:22.220 popular enough at the time to be interviewed. You see ads from that time, news that was happening at

01:08:27.660 that time, whatever. But now you see an interview me from 1987 online. There's no context. It's as if

01:08:35.980 I said it yesterday or, you know, oftentimes these interviews and articles don't have any dates on them

01:08:41.480 at all. So there's that aspect of it as far as news, as far as what is happening. And then you also

01:08:48.820 have just this almost a monoculture of everybody knowing what everybody's doing all at once. You no

01:08:57.160 longer had these pockets sort of, not an incubator, but, uh, an area in which, and a time and a space

01:09:06.500 where something could develop and then emerge. You remember when we were kids, something,

01:09:12.700 if you were living in LA, there would be like some fashion, like bell bottoms or something like this.

01:09:18.820 And then you'd go visit your cousins in Wisconsin or Utah or something. And, and they're like,

01:09:23.440 what are you wearing? And then three or four years later, that would be a trend there.

01:09:28.740 So all of that went away with the internet because everything's so immediate. So.

01:09:34.180 And I mean, I think also raunchier, like, you know, it used to be the kids were stealing the

01:09:39.800 playboys out of their dad's, you know, trunk at the foot of the bed. And now it's like graphic

01:09:45.940 triple X porn available, you know, at the click of a button on the, on the devices.

01:09:53.420 And it's ubiquitous. I mean, I just had a guy on the show last week who I love named Dr. Leonard

01:09:59.560 Sachs. He's a parenting expert. He's MD, PhD, went to MIT only, only takes into account longitudinal,

01:10:07.540 uh, you know, focus group studies in giving his feedback, you know, so he's not like a feelings

01:10:14.240 type guy. He looks at actual data and studies of like large cohorts of children to figure out what's

01:10:18.720 what. And he was saying parents need to remain the primary influence in their children's life

01:10:24.180 in 2024 America through age 18, 18. I said, what are you talking about? In the seventies,

01:10:29.680 we had no parents. There were no parents anywhere. You know, like, uh, and we turned out fine. I,

01:10:34.380 I, you could argue we turned out better than the current generations are, are, uh, looking to turn

01:10:38.900 out based on some of the things you discussed. And, uh, he said it was different than because the,

01:10:43.600 the culture would step in to fill some of the void. And the culture was family ties

01:10:48.820 shows with a message shows with two parents shows like little house on the prairie shows

01:10:54.720 like the Waltons, you know, um, music had a more positive message back then. You didn't turn it on

01:11:00.480 and hear, as he always points out the wet ass P word song, you know, like it was just very different.

01:11:06.520 Yeah. I didn't mean to cut you off. I just mean that song is like absolutely bizarre to me.

01:11:14.140 Yeah. It's disgusting, but I mean, you lived it. You were and remain, this is why,

01:11:18.160 how we all came to know and love you a cultural icon because of you. You were part of that messaging

01:11:22.840 and somehow we lost it. I do think the internet was a big part in destroying it.

01:11:27.040 Well, yeah, part of it, but think of it, I think of it this way you had, when you were interacting

01:11:37.160 with your peers in before the internet, you had real world consequences. You found out that behaving

01:11:45.620 in a particular way, uh, got you, uh, uninvited to the next party. You were shunned in certain,

01:11:54.320 and then, but there was opportunity to like earn your way back into a group or something. Right.

01:11:58.840 I mean, it was sort of, it was more tribal like that. Right. It was just, but then when the internet

01:12:04.720 net was introduced, social media, you could actually get attention, which is not the same thing as

01:12:13.240 approval. You could get attention online for, for behavior and also couple that with, and this preceded

01:12:22.320 the, the internet and social media by a bit, uh, reality shows. So I always think back to the first

01:12:30.740 reality show that I recall, which was real world on MTV. And there was a guy on there named Puck

01:12:38.100 and Puck was Puck misbehaved. I mean, as you can, that's his name. So I remember anybody,

01:12:46.900 there's a, uh, Shakespearean play with Puck in it. Um, yeah, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a little,

01:12:52.960 what is it? Mid-Summer Night Street? What is it?

01:12:54.800 Summer Night Street. Yeah. A little mischief maker. Okay. Um, so he was a, he was a real pain in the ass

01:13:01.080 and, and then, but the people were so enthralled with the idea that somebody was behaving like that

01:13:10.240 and, and, and nothing was really happening to him. And so that became a trend in social, in, um,

01:13:17.260 on reality shows, you know, the worst behavior got rewarded with attention and money and whatever else.

01:13:26.300 Um, so I think people see, saw these two things and then that sort of tribal consequence of, of

01:13:35.100 being a, a poor, um, uh, you know, addition to a party or something was diluted. I think that has

01:13:46.900 something to do with it. I'm thinking about Omarosa right now on the apprentice. Yeah. That was another

01:13:53.100 one. Yeah. Just like Puck. She kept getting brought back for the MVP edition. And then, you know,

01:14:00.940 the all-star edition because, and I'm one of the people who loved to watch her bad behavior on that

01:14:08.560 show. It was highly entertaining, but I maybe it has a different effect on a strong personality

01:14:15.380 watching it for mild entertainment in the same way the real housewives does versus someone who's

01:14:20.700 impressionable and looking to make a name for themselves or doesn't have that strong sort of

01:14:24.840 sense of self, the strong id and is looking to fill it up with something that void.

01:14:29.720 Yeah. I mean, when you're younger, you, you look around, you're like, you're, you're new to

01:14:35.320 society, especially as a little kid, right? What do people value? There's a, there's a sociologist

01:14:42.100 named, um, Renee Girard, who has this theory called, um, uh, mimetic, mimetic desire. His theory is that

01:14:49.940 nobody wants anything when they're born except the, the core need and desire to survive. When they look

01:14:57.660 around and they see what other people are desiring who've been here longer. And then they just sort

01:15:02.640 of mimic their desire. They go, Oh, everybody wants that car. Okay. Then I want to want it too,

01:15:07.660 you know, because how else are you going to, you look around at the society that exists to see how

01:15:15.100 you can, to see what's valued in order to not only fit in, but to, to be a value in that society as well.

01:15:22.680 And that is, and then that does come back to somebody's sense of surviving. Right. So it's a

01:15:30.960 shame little kids then they look at, they look at, they looked at that, um, uh, reality, that poor

01:15:36.940 reality show behavior. They look at how people behave online. They look at, um, I mean, even Trump's

01:15:46.480 behavior, uh, you know, uh, you know, looked at it objectively in, in 2016 changed the way he was

01:15:54.900 criticizing people, you know, that I was not in favor of frankly, but that changed same political

01:16:02.020 behavior. Do you notice after that, it not only changed political behavior. I mean, how many people,

01:16:09.820 how many politicians had online accounts at that point had Twitter account, you know, when it was

01:16:14.660 Twitter or Facebook accounts or anything. And after that, and not only did it change political

01:16:19.400 behavior, but it, the 24 hour news cycle, always needing a talking head, all the podcasts that need,

01:16:27.400 that need guests, all of this, all of this, um, need, uh, needing people to be online. Like there's,

01:16:32.900 there's an endless amount of air that needs to be filled with people's presence. And, and then the bad

01:16:39.020 behavior being, um, kind of awarded, I think it has attracted a certain type of politician. Now,

01:16:46.000 remember when we first saw C-SPAN in the early eighties or whatever it was, and we look at this

01:16:51.820 and go, you know, the first time we saw like what, what, you know, on TV, like what, what was going on

01:16:56.740 in the, in the house or the Senate. And we just went, Oh my God, it's so boring. Like, how do they

01:17:01.940 stay awake? These people are so dull. What they have to do all day is so dull. And that's not the

01:17:09.460 case anymore. And I think it's attracted people. I think we should bring back the boring politicians,

01:17:15.020 like who just they're doing their job. You know, I think too late for that. I know, but it's this type

01:17:22.940 that wants to be on camera all the time, you know, and then, and it's, it's on both sides of the,

01:17:27.460 of whatever aisle. I mean, the AOC, I call AOC a congressional Kardashian. That's what she seems

01:17:35.080 like to me. She just wants to get famous and build her socials while she's in there. And then I guess

01:17:39.700 parlay that into some sort of whatever pot. I don't know what her long-term plan is. I don't really

01:17:43.280 care. Um, but I do think, cause I thought about Trump a lot. He spent his life in the, in the public

01:17:49.320 eye. He definitely, uh, attention is his oxygen, but the thing about Trump that's been interesting is

01:17:55.420 yes, he was more crude. One of the reasons why he got such a negative reaction when he first burst

01:17:59.240 out of the political scene in 15, 16 was yes, he was saying things that the Republican party

01:18:03.720 considered anathema, you know, I mean, tariffs, um, that wasn't their thing, not being, you know,

01:18:10.940 provably pro-life. That was a problem for them. Um, there are a lot of others, more isolationist than

01:18:16.840 the Republican party, which was much more Neo Connie for many, many years, but really what was driving

01:18:21.880 Republicans and Americans nuts about Trump in the beginning, many of them was, he was crude to your

01:18:27.740 point. Like he did not sound like, like Ronald Reagan, you know, the, the great order, the great

01:18:34.660 communicator when he was on camera. Now there are lots of reports of how Reagan spoke off camera that

01:18:40.340 are pretty controversial, but on camera, on the national stage, Trump sounded very crude many times.

01:18:46.660 And so it was jarring, but then he helped expose some of these other politicians and what they've

01:18:54.380 been doing behind the scenes, right? That is awful. You, you know, you think about just look at Joe

01:19:00.540 Biden, how he's misused the justice department against his political opponent. I mean, he's also

01:19:05.640 crude on camera too, but not, not this particular way. So my point is simply Trump was just the first

01:19:11.180 one to sort of wear it on his sleeve, but behind the scenes behaved pretty well. Whereas so many

01:19:16.540 these other politicians knew exactly how to play it in front of the camera, but behind the scenes

01:19:20.600 were complete and total douchebags. Yeah, could be. Um, I think though there, you know, as far as like

01:19:29.820 people, um, people ascribing to poor behavior, uh, you know, generally speaking, you know, I don't mean

01:19:38.540 this to be about, about politics. I was just saying like that introduced back then, um, a whole type of,

01:19:45.680 uh, political behavior on social media. Um, there's interesting, just like reality shows and,

01:19:52.460 uh, you know, visible likes and, and retweets and follower numbers affected the general public.

01:20:00.580 Um, but I think there's a swing away from that now, uh, like a big swing away from that. Um,

01:20:07.240 not only does it become, um, kind of, it's not shocking anymore. Uh, it's people become weary of

01:20:18.480 it. You know, it becomes tiresome, it becomes repetitive, you know, sort of bad behavior.

01:20:23.240 And I think people are really wanting now something real and genuine and, and loving frankly,

01:20:33.980 and not in a, in a patronizing way, just like in a real way, because we're all like at our core as

01:20:43.060 humans, we, we, we hunger for that, which makes me feel like, you know, we might see a turn to

01:20:52.480 more spirituality now. And it doesn't have to be, I don't think, I know it doesn't have to be

01:21:01.140 within a religion at all. Religion can be a framework for somebody's journey to having a

01:21:08.920 relationship with God and whatever you want to, whatever name you want to give him. He doesn't

01:21:14.640 give a shit, you know? Right. But so long as it's, you know, so long as what you're imagining is

01:21:22.380 someone who knows everything about you cares about every, every scintilla of you, um, give you never

01:21:33.300 leave your side, give you wisdom at all times. Um, and is going to have you make, he's going to guide

01:21:42.460 you to go in particular directions that might be very uncomfortable, but you will see that it is all

01:21:49.520 to have you become more and more and more and more yourself. That's the goal to have this

01:21:56.300 relationship with God and become, and I'm not talking about religion. If anyone has a bad view

01:22:01.260 of that, it rubs them a wrong way, that word, redefine it for yourself or use some other word,

01:22:08.600 call him Bob. I mean, he just doesn't care, you know, but I think, because listen, when you've got

01:22:16.140 something like bringing it all the way around, when you've got something like AI, generative AI

01:22:23.040 that is so good at imitating, I'll tell you the reason it's so good at imitating what we see in

01:22:29.580 our lives is because it's taken everything we've done in our lives up to now and put in, put it in

01:22:35.620 a blender. And then you put in a prompt and you have this Frankenstein spoonful and spits it out to

01:22:40.180 you. How could it do that? It's not pulling it out of the air. It's pulling all the films that have

01:22:44.780 ever been done, all the series that have ever been done, all the talk shows that have ever been done,

01:22:48.640 the books that have ever been written and all of this. It's wholesale theft, 100%. But you've got

01:22:55.620 these, the, you know, these different applications that reproduce and we look at it and we think it's

01:23:05.200 real. Or we look at these, you know, the way the media treated the whole COVID thing, the fear

01:23:12.900 mongering, which I think was unforgivable, unforgivable. Same. And they'll do it again.

01:23:19.520 It'll be done again. It'll be that kind of fear mongering will happen again because it's happened

01:23:25.160 repeatedly in history. Anyway, you've got all these things that are, we used to be able to just rely on

01:23:31.080 what our eyes saw. We used to be able to rely on, well, or we assumed we could rely on what the media

01:23:37.360 was telling us. It seemed more even keeled, right? We're just getting the, what, where, why, how,

01:23:42.320 right? But if you don't have those things, and I don't know if that they'll return our, our, our,

01:23:48.820 our ability to depend on these things of being real. I don't know that that will return.

01:23:54.580 So that being true, then what are you going to rely on to guide you? Are you going to look around at

01:24:00.520 other people? Are you going to look around at what's trending on social media and all the, well,

01:24:03.960 that must be the direction. Are you going to go by a video that you see? Well, I don't know. That

01:24:09.340 could be generative AI. Maybe that's not real. You're going to go by what the media says. Well,

01:24:13.180 I don't know. What's their agenda. If you, you've got to get some kind of foundation spiritually,

01:24:20.420 however, you're going to pull that together. Again, I'm not talking about religion. I'm just saying

01:24:25.820 it's available and it will give you a sense of, it will give you a true North. That's what I'm

01:24:35.740 saying. It'll give you a sense of direction that is not dependent at all on all those other elements.

01:24:43.480 I just said, because you cannot trust them and you, and you know, I just encourage people to develop

01:24:50.660 their own discernment, which is inherent, right? Your own discernment and your own instincts.

01:24:56.760 And this is not a right or left. I mean, honestly, I'm, I think I'm not into politics at all. I'm into

01:25:03.300 people divesting themselves of their fears. Um, most of them irrational in my experience so that they can

01:25:13.320 truly become themselves completely. And I don't, and if you couple that with a relationship,

01:25:22.120 a spiritual relationship, you're just going to, you're going to be so much happier. You're going

01:25:28.140 to have focus in your life. You're going to, and you're going to be able to discern whether or not

01:25:35.300 something is bullshit and everybody needs that. Now going forward, you're going to have a dose of

01:25:40.900 humility is definitely in order for most people. And believing in a higher power is a good reminder

01:25:46.400 of the need to stay humble and how we are. We are humble human beings. We don't have all the answers.

01:25:52.140 That doesn't mean Bob doesn't. All right. Stand by more with Justine right after this. We're going

01:25:57.580 to ask her about those viral videos she did critiquing some of the meltdowns after Trump won. Have you seen

01:26:04.120 any of these? Because they're very clever. Stand by. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the Megan Kelly show on

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01:27:03.200 three months free. Offer details apply. Let's just spend a minute on your critiques of these videos

01:27:13.580 because it was such a clever way, I thought, to handle the insanity that broke out when Trump won.

01:27:19.820 You approached it very forensically as a filmmaker and just kind of had some issues with the direction

01:27:26.240 and the editorial choices by some of these people having the meltdowns. All right, let's watch one,

01:27:33.680 which is, I think we've got Sot 2, where this is a woman, we think, with a half-shaved head. Let's watch.

01:27:42.800 Our kids need to hear you discussing trans and queer topics. We will be hearing about trans

01:27:49.500 athletes and you need to set the record straight on the percentage of trans people in the United

01:27:54.940 States and the percentage of competitive trans athletes. It's super important to stick with the

01:28:01.940 facts. Let's stop the witch hunt on trans people. So for the listening audience, that woman literally

01:28:07.620 has like a center part and a long head of hair on one side and a shaved head on the other side. Go ahead,

01:28:13.600 Justine, your thoughts on her approach to her messaging. Oh, that one. Oh, geez,

01:28:17.700 I'd have to bring up my critique to really do it justice. Um, but I think in that critique,

01:28:23.340 I went into, um, gosh, if somebody could bring it up, that'd be, I've got, I got, I have it here.

01:28:29.700 Okay. You read it. You read it. You, you know, this piece introduces many questions.

01:28:36.140 You should pull up one of the ones that, that where they were crying and like having a,

01:28:40.580 like a fucking fit anyway, but yeah, so go ahead and read, read the half shaved head.

01:28:46.940 You read this piece introduces many questions as part of the, I'm shaving my head because I don't

01:28:51.380 like the election outcome movement. This character has gone only halfway yet. No reason is given the

01:28:56.840 viewer is left wondering, is this a new movement? Does this represent those who are ambivalent about

01:29:02.160 the election outcome or is the hairstyle of those who sympathize with both sides or someone who changed

01:29:08.320 their mind midway? The setting is refreshingly not in a car. And yet we wonder why, what is beyond

01:29:14.900 the fence? There's a fence behind her. What is it blocking? Is it blocking an illegally narrow walkway

01:29:19.660 between two houses? Something else? The bright open space above the actress's head also causes the

01:29:24.820 audience to wonder, is this an escape hatch for the main character for us? The camera is appropriately

01:29:29.980 elevated, but it's unnecessarily unsteady. Tripods can be delivered to you the next day through Amazon.

01:29:35.160 The editing is unfortunate because this is a short piece. All the dialogue can be captured

01:29:40.780 at once. Another take should have been done. Fiend, end meaning. That is brilliant. So well done.

01:29:49.160 What gave you the idea? Well, the ones that were right after the election were absolutely,

01:29:55.940 uh, I mean, the, the, the level of emotion that was released, it was, my first thought when I looked

01:30:07.300 at them was, man, we've had this crying genre in, uh, you know, kind of online posts for like six years.

01:30:15.840 And I, and as a filmmaker, I always wonder, were you crying really hard? I mean, something was really

01:30:24.560 upsetting to you and not just about the election, but I mean, this is happening prior.

01:30:29.160 You were crying really hard about something that truly upset you. And then the thought entered your

01:30:33.780 head that, Oh, I've got to find my phone. Where's my phone? I've got to record this. And then you held

01:30:38.840 up to, I've got to record myself crying. And then you recorded yourself. Maybe you did a couple of

01:30:45.400 takes and then you watched it back and then you edited it. And then you decided that it should be

01:30:52.780 distributed internationally and you posted it online. Or were you wondering what to post next

01:30:58.780 on your social media account? Should it be an unboxing video? Should it be a visit to your doctor's

01:31:03.240 office? You know, what are you going to do to keep the audience there? And you go, I know I'll do a

01:31:07.260 crying video and you post it and you, you set your, your phone up or your camera and then made yourself

01:31:13.540 cry. It had to have gone one way or the other. And then I thought my second thought was my God,

01:31:20.800 we are so many years into this creator economy and still the quality looks this shitty. How is that

01:31:25.920 possible? Like it's never been easier. That's why I mentioned that, you know, you could,

01:31:30.460 the creator economy has made, so has, has created an entire cottage industry on equipment,

01:31:38.340 lighting, tripod stands. I mean, everything. Yeah. You don't have to live like this.

01:31:44.600 Susan, whatever her name was. So then I thought, well, I'll just tell them, you know,

01:31:50.920 I'll just do a serious film review of these items that have been distributed internationally. Here they

01:31:57.000 are. I like the ones where you, you're called people out for not producing real tears. It's

01:32:01.340 like, as an, as an actual actress, come on, you know, like kind of putting it in some,

01:32:07.400 yeah, some of it is forced. Some of it's forced and maybe it was the second or third take. And then,

01:32:12.520 you know, the director of this piece should be aware if they're tiring, emotionally tiring the

01:32:18.220 actress with too many takes and, but it's better to read them. Actually, if, if people go to my

01:32:23.860 Substack, um, which is Justin Bateman, Substack dot com, um, there's an index there of, I've done

01:32:31.500 over a hundred of them. Um, so they can go down, you go all the way down to the bottom even and see

01:32:38.240 the first ones. There was one with a woman who was standing next to this man, very close as if her

01:32:48.040 one arm is behind him and she's looking at him as he's talking and she's nodding her head to camera

01:32:54.880 and then she's looking back and nodding and, and it really looked like she's a ventriloquist and this

01:33:02.020 is her dummy, the guy standing next to her. So there's a whole piece on that. Um, anyway, it's,

01:33:09.180 yeah, it's satire. Absolutely. It's a great way to comment on, because a lot of times they're saying

01:33:16.600 stuff that's really heinous. Well, but what's so clever about it is, I mean, that's what you're

01:33:21.980 supposed to do. You're supposed to laugh at fools who behave so foolishly and they're meant to anger

01:33:26.980 you. They're, they're meaning to upset you, to, to motivate you to cry. And it's that it's the

01:33:33.260 appropriate response to look at a lunatic like that and just laugh a little like, okay, good luck in

01:33:37.920 your influencer career. I I've got doubts about how far it's going. Um, did you get any blowback on that?

01:33:45.500 Like, are you, I know you're, you know, you're towing the line politically and you're not a

01:33:49.400 political person, which I believe, but do you get blowback just, you know, just by saying,

01:33:54.420 by not saying you're for Kamala, you can get blowback in Hollywood.

01:34:02.020 I don't remember a time in my career where,

01:34:07.500 S where there was an absence of criticism of me. So, or of anybody, I mean, I'm not,

01:34:17.080 there's nothing unique about me in that sense. Um, I go into detail in my book fame, right? We

01:34:22.340 talked about that years ago. Um, you just didn't hear it as often when, because of the effort it

01:34:28.600 took to write a letter to somebody, you know, back before the internet. Um, so I've always been,

01:34:34.600 there's always been somebody at least one person. And I say that sarcastically, like more than one

01:34:41.920 person who's got a problem with me is something about my presence pushes their buttons, or they

01:34:47.360 don't like that. I haven't done anything to my face or they, you know, I mean, so I don't,

01:34:55.740 it, it doesn't, it doesn't, any quote blowback I would be getting from anything I'm saying now

01:35:03.380 is in the same bin. In other words, it's no different now than it's ever been. So I don't

01:35:11.940 care. And all I'm saying now is I'm glad that that mob mentality momentum is over because the last

01:35:21.720 eight years and most acutely last four years were fucking unbearable, unbearable. I never want to go

01:35:31.620 through anything like that again in my life. I truly don't. It was the most un-American

01:35:38.040 situation I've ever been in. And I'm 58, I think I'm 58, you know?

01:35:45.420 Yeah, totally agree. To say that people can't say, can't ask questions, can't say what they think,

01:35:53.260 can't ask that there be some research on this or that. It was absolutely awful. And I, it was just

01:36:02.740 like revenge of the home monitors. It was the, it was the fucking Debbie Downers, the party poopers,

01:36:08.580 the, you know, and one of the things, you know, the, the, the social media video critiques that I'm

01:36:14.580 doing, uh, you know, I mean, I'm not doing that many anymore because there's, you don't have as

01:36:18.300 many, you know, people getting all crazy about it. Um, but I will do it for subscribers for Christmas

01:36:24.960 presents for, if they want a Christmas present for someone, they could like send me their moms

01:36:29.260 or their sisters or whatever, you know, I mean, it's a good Christmas present, right? And I'll do a

01:36:33.200 critique for them. Um, and that's just amazing. But, but there's something about satire, Megan,

01:36:39.100 that's that, that was one of the comedy and satire was one of the first things to take a dive that

01:36:46.640 they squashed. Cause when you think about it, if you have satire and comedy in a society, you have

01:36:52.740 balance because it serves, it's like an insect in an area in nature that keeps certain things at bay

01:37:00.540 and you eliminate that insect and you'll find, Oh, here comes some vine that starts choking the trees.

01:37:06.000 Oh, that was the main food source for that insect that you just got rid of.

01:37:10.740 So satire and comedy are like that. They hem in and there's other things too, of course,

01:37:15.920 but those are two elements that will hem in a society and keep a balance.

01:37:20.220 And you see, that was one of those were two of the first things that they got out in order to make

01:37:25.140 this, the, this squashing down this hall monitor bullshit work. Purification.

01:37:32.700 Yeah. I mean, it really is puritanical and, um, I do agree. I think it's over one final thing.

01:37:40.940 I'll say we have to wrap, but, um, you have done a very good job of keeping politics out of your

01:37:47.560 family. Your brother's very famous to Justin, uh, Jason Bateman, by the way, I saw carry on this

01:37:54.640 past weekend. It was excellent. Very good film. He plays a villain. Uh, it's number one on Netflix

01:37:59.400 right now, but you're closing message to people who have not been as successful as you guys about

01:38:05.260 just not making your love relationships about politics and or cultural bullshit.

01:38:12.900 Well, I think if you're making your relationships with your loved ones and your friends about politics,

01:38:18.040 you're really making it about you period. You're wanting them to focus on you. You're wanting them.

01:38:25.960 I call it, um, uh, intimacy through injury. If you have a fight with this person,

01:38:30.920 they're going to be thinking about you. They're going to want to call you and fix it or whatever,

01:38:36.120 because you're too afraid to just have a regular relationship with them where

01:38:40.380 they, maybe they don't value you think they don't value you that much.

01:38:43.940 So I think it's, it's not about the people that are doing that. It's not about politics.

01:38:50.200 I think it's about, they're trying to exact emotional terrorism and control on their friends

01:38:55.560 and family and is just trying to manipulate the relationship. And that's it.

01:39:01.300 Very insightful. Gosh, you're so right.

01:39:03.680 It's not even on the list of, it's not even on the list of things. How someone votes is not even

01:39:08.140 on the list of things that I would and would not, uh, you know, want to be around someone because of.

01:39:16.020 I know exactly. Too often it's done, I think, to people, at least on my side of the aisle and not

01:39:22.340 by people on my side of the aisle, but they can be guilty of it as well. Justine, it's such a pleasure

01:39:26.680 to talk to you again. Thank you so much for being here.

01:39:28.680 Thank you. Thank you. All right. And find out more about her film festival,

01:39:34.380 which is free from AI at credo23, C-R-E-D-O-23.com. Tomorrow, VDH.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 18, 2024

ABC Host ＂Humiliated＂ After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman ｜ Ep. 968

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