The Megyn Kelly Show - Absurd New Resistance Efforts for Trump Address, and Dems Vote Against Protecting Women's Sports, with the Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1018

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.260 It is the first big President Trump address tonight since taking office.

00:00:19.600 Not that he hasn't been making news on a daily basis since his inauguration 43 days ago.

00:00:25.440 Overnight, he paused all military aid going to Ukraine.

00:00:30.420 For now, at least.

00:00:32.100 And those tariffs on Canada and Mexico officially took effect.

00:00:35.620 Plus, he hiked the ones on China by another 10%.

00:00:38.880 Those stories both could evolve throughout the day today.

00:00:42.120 And there might be announcements coming tonight during the speech.

00:00:45.140 There's probably gonna be something up his sleeve, something big to announce.

00:00:47.900 We'll find out.

00:00:48.980 The theme of the President's speech tonight, the renewal of the American dream.

00:00:53.800 Democrats were told in closed-door meetings Monday night to avoid using props

00:00:58.800 to disrupt Mr. Trump's speech.

00:01:01.940 What did they have in mind?

00:01:04.560 But an Axios report details the wide array of disruptions Democrats may deploy, including

00:01:10.540 hand clappers.

00:01:12.320 Oh, my God.

00:01:17.860 Please let that happen.

00:01:20.420 Doge signs and empty egg cartons.

00:01:23.740 Joining me now today for the full show are friends from the Fifth Column podcast, Camille

00:01:28.300 Foster of Freethink, Michael Moynihan, whose two-way show, The Moynihan Report, launches

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00:02:40.320 Welcome back, guys.

00:02:41.780 So like the hand clappers that you have like on New Year's, like the little plastic things,

00:02:46.680 you get like a toy at the carnival?

00:02:48.880 What is a hand clapper?

00:02:50.360 I just, aren't your hands for clapping?

00:02:51.900 I mean, have we gone from you lie to President Obama to people bringing in air horns like 0.98

00:02:58.880 they're at a goddamn FIFA game? 0.98

00:03:00.720 Like what is happening here? 1.00

00:03:03.060 This is ridiculous. 0.83

00:03:04.000 Remember the you lie thing was the most controversial thing of like a month. 0.95

00:03:08.200 We were in a more innocent country back then.

00:03:10.400 More innocent country.

00:03:11.600 It's all like professional wrestling all the way down from now on.

00:03:14.640 Empty egg cartons, like literally, they were in charge of everything up until, what, six

00:03:22.460 weeks ago.

00:03:23.320 Who is that going to persuade?

00:03:25.780 See, I think what they have to do is bring the chicken coop cage after the comments yesterday

00:03:31.820 from the Trump administration.

00:03:35.060 Like, just get your own chickens in the backyard.

00:03:36.700 That's not going to be a problem.

00:03:38.140 Or maybe a sugar maple tap so that we can all have maple syrup now.

00:03:42.580 That, I mean, I like, yeah, this can't be, this cannot be the plan.

00:03:46.920 I realize they don't have Nancy Pelosi position behind President Trump anymore because she's 1.00

00:03:50.620 not Speaker of the House.

00:03:51.620 It'll be Republican Mike Johnson and J.D. Vance.

00:03:54.760 But like, there's going to have to be something better.

00:03:58.540 I mean, what we're hearing is some are going to no show.

00:04:02.360 And then they said to the ones, I guess the leadership is saying, no, you should show up,

00:04:06.520 but you should bring somebody, should bring somebody who will make a point.

00:04:09.940 Well, by the way, like, is that a thing?

00:04:11.780 I don't remember, like, the Congress members ever bringing a guest.

00:04:16.420 Isn't it just the president who brings a guest and puts them up in the first lady's box? 0.99

00:04:20.120 Or is it a thing for all the congressmen to do it?

00:04:22.520 The Congress people have been bringing, they usually have a one spot and they will do a

00:04:27.080 theatrical thing.

00:04:27.900 So Thomas Massey brought someone last year.

00:04:29.840 I forget who, but it was, it was kind of on some point.

00:04:33.400 I think the problem is that Democrats are just not as good at like troll culture as Republicans.

00:04:40.640 And I don't say that necessarily as a compliment to Republicans.

00:04:43.820 I kind of wish that we would go to a different place in our governing universe than trolling

00:04:48.440 all the time.

00:04:49.440 But Democrats, I mean, what did they do?

00:04:51.140 They all wore white a couple of years ago or several times in the past.

00:04:55.120 I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of handmaid's tale thing.

00:04:58.700 There was talk of like, oh, they're going to bring a fired government, a federal employee

00:05:02.500 to sit next to them.

00:05:03.580 And I might, you know, if I knew more federal employees, I might know someone that would

00:05:08.940 be personally sad about, but like, this is just not going to resonate with anyone.

00:05:12.740 Really?

00:05:13.180 Like, oh my God, they fired a fire, a federal employee.

00:05:16.100 That's not really going to get the job done.

00:05:17.980 Oh, and by the way, there there's talk about some, this literally was in one of the reports

00:05:22.300 today about wearing the, um, the pink pea hats.

00:05:26.720 Some are going to wear the pink pea hats.

00:05:28.780 I mean, yes, that's, that's in the, one of the reports today.

00:05:31.660 I don't know.

00:05:32.320 What is the, what is the P stand for?

00:05:34.740 I don't remember.

00:05:35.160 That's the one word I don't say.

00:05:36.240 I say them all.

00:05:36.940 Almost all.

00:05:37.400 Oh, really?

00:05:38.080 It's a short list of ones I won't say.

00:05:39.900 Oh, wow.

00:05:40.920 Okay.

00:05:41.840 I'll be sure not to say it.

00:05:42.760 I don't, it's just so like aggressive and they use a lovely lady part to, and they turn 0.98

00:05:48.600 it into something like aggressively vulgar.

00:05:50.760 And I just, I decline to participate.

00:05:52.960 Well, I want to agree with you on one thing.

00:05:54.820 It is a lovely lady part, but I want to continue and say that, um, that the most amazing thing

00:06:01.660 to me is we have these conversations and you see them with, you know, bozos like Steve

00:06:07.260 Schmidt and Chuck Todd about, you know, the president's age.

00:06:11.460 And should Jake Tapper write this book and Biden, blah, blah, blah.

00:06:14.460 We shouldn't have done this.

00:06:15.260 We shouldn't have done that.

00:06:16.420 Donald Trump is giving Democrats a lot of openings.

00:06:19.260 It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not.

00:06:21.100 There's just a lot of openings because there's a lot happening.

00:06:23.400 What are they doing in response?

00:06:25.680 I mean, where is the political strategy here when they're like, we're going to have like

00:06:28.980 a noisemakers and we're going to throw egg crates and like, what are you talking about?

00:06:33.480 Seriously, you've had the time now to assimilate this defeat from November.

00:06:38.400 Notice by the way, that Donald Trump is actually keeping his promises in an aggressive way.

00:06:43.160 Some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but you know, the way in which he's

00:06:47.640 handling it, you know, Elon Musk, all this stuff.

00:06:50.040 There's so many openings.

00:06:52.000 I see people burning Tesla chargers in towns that are, you know, one away from where I grew

00:06:57.320 up.

00:06:57.720 But I don't see, I don't see a lot of strategy when it comes to policy and when, when it

00:07:02.320 comes time to fighting back.

00:07:03.620 I mean, you notice MSNBC, they're like, all right, we're going to get rid of Joy Reid

00:07:06.380 and then we're going to replace her with another Joy Reid, right?

00:07:09.840 And this is like all these people, it's like the exact same strategy you guys had for the

00:07:14.040 previous Trump administration and the previous four years of Joe Biden in which you fought

00:07:18.320 the future Trump administration.

00:07:20.080 I mean, I don't, I don't see any strategy here from Democrats whatsoever.

00:07:24.640 They, they don't have one.

00:07:26.080 The most they've come up with is organizing like move on to send some nasty protesters to

00:07:30.700 some of these Republican town halls to make it seem like Republicans and are very mad at

00:07:35.880 Republicans.

00:07:36.480 And maybe there are some Republicans, but for the most part, these are Democrat.

00:07:39.840 Operative showing up at Republican town halls to yell at them.

00:07:43.720 Yes.

00:07:44.320 Okay.

00:07:44.500 Hold on.

00:07:45.100 This is Politico.

00:07:48.240 Let me see.

00:07:49.080 Where is it?

00:07:49.680 Politico.

00:07:50.500 Large scale disruption is still unlikely tonight.

00:07:54.280 Some lawmakers have privately discussed walking out as an entire caucus during the speech or

00:07:59.740 wearing pink hats in protest, but there's less enthusiasm for such demonstrations.

00:08:05.000 And in the past years, Camille, they just can't get excited about wearing all white

00:08:09.760 or wearing the pink P hats tonight.

00:08:12.140 Maybe there will be a couple of brave souls who will do it.

00:08:15.300 We'll have to tune in to find out.

00:08:16.500 You think that's really going to move the electorate in favor of their party?

00:08:21.360 I think bringing back the pink hats is about the only chance that they have tonight.

00:08:24.640 And they, they just should find the strength within themselves to get those things someplace.

00:08:28.340 I'm sure that the Trump administration would be trembling with fear if he had to stare into

00:08:33.960 the gallery and saw nothing but a scene of pink hats again.

00:08:37.700 I mean, they, they, they are flailing.

00:08:40.060 They are flailing at a time when they really ought to be getting their stuff together.

00:08:43.900 And the fact that, you know, AOC and what's the other, uh, what's Congressman Jasmine Sullivan

00:08:50.280 or something like that?

00:08:51.700 Crockett.

00:08:52.240 Crockett.

00:08:52.720 Yeah.

00:08:53.900 Oh, I mean, these, these are the two most prominent Democrats in America at the moment.

00:08:58.060 That is not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination.

00:09:01.120 They, they seem to be on their back foot, um, when they're not, you know, airing conspiracy

00:09:05.680 theories about the worst possible imaginable thing that Elon Musk has imagined to be doing

00:09:10.040 with Doge.

00:09:10.920 Um, they're, they're just utterly quiet.

00:09:14.280 Um, it's just very, very strange.

00:09:16.160 There are a plethora of things that they could be talking about and that they could be agitating

00:09:19.700 about.

00:09:20.100 I think the president has had any number of important victories, but he's also done lots

00:09:23.940 of things that they could actually be out in the field criticizing.

00:09:26.920 And they're just not doing a great job in opposition.

00:09:29.940 No, they're, they're not.

00:09:32.100 And so here, I, I knew you were coming, so we checked out the view today and, uh, here

00:09:37.880 was their, here was their recommendation for how their team should handle tonight's address.

00:09:46.580 I think they should walk out on mass.

00:09:49.620 Naked or clothed?

00:09:50.700 Naked.

00:09:52.040 Naked.

00:09:53.180 Naked or clothed?

00:09:55.520 I mean, they should walk out, you know, uh, or is there going to be a laugh track, by

00:09:59.800 the way?

00:10:00.520 Um, uh, I think they should walk out.

00:10:04.920 I think that a picture is worth a thousand words.

00:10:07.580 It would be joy to a certain extent.

00:10:09.480 I actually don't think that they should show up at all.

00:10:11.880 Okay.

00:10:12.280 I think that, I think that when history resurfaces the photos of, of this first speech in this

00:10:19.180 abnormal presidency, um, he said he was going to be a dictator, uh, from day one.

00:10:24.600 And, and we, we warned about the demise of our democracy and the rise of fascism.

00:10:29.800 And I think we've seen it in this, the first, uh, days of, of, of his presidency.

00:10:34.020 I think the record will show that the room was half empty.

00:10:38.520 Wow.

00:10:39.080 Okay.

00:10:39.900 There's a proposal.

00:10:43.080 I mean, that's the absolute worst advice.

00:10:46.080 Like fascism is on the rise.

00:10:48.540 It's on the march.

00:10:49.180 And we didn't show up.

00:10:50.340 Yeah.

00:10:50.680 So we ran.

00:10:51.860 Incredible.

00:10:52.700 But, but also the idea that maybe Chuck Schumer will be naked.

00:10:56.860 So just like have that in your brain, it's not, is that the reaping the whirlwind he talked

00:11:02.760 about?

00:11:03.060 Cause that really would make, make me behave differently.

00:11:05.620 But you mentioned Jasmine Crockett.

00:11:07.700 Can I just give you a word on her?

00:11:09.340 Um, there was like, there were all sorts of reactions to the Zelensky Trump oval office

00:11:14.560 meeting. 1.00

00:11:15.060 Hers began as follows in short bullies, ain't shit. 1.00

00:11:23.140 Bullies. 1.00

00:11:23.740 That's just, that qualifies as.

00:11:26.860 Her, I guess, sophisticated political analysis from an elected, elected representatives. 1.00

00:11:32.020 Bullies ain't shit. 1.00

00:11:33.400 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:11:34.200 Thank you, Madam.

00:11:34.640 Congresswoman Cardi B. 1.00

00:11:35.920 Yeah.

00:11:36.320 That's great.

00:11:37.180 Actually, Cardi B would be a little bit more eloquent.

00:11:39.460 Yeah, probably.

00:11:40.920 But she might make it rhyme.

00:11:42.920 I don't know.

00:11:44.300 But yeah, that's the level of political discourse.

00:11:46.600 I mean, I do think Trump, he's got an opportunity tonight because usually at this point, the reason

00:11:51.240 they don't call it a state of the union address is because when it's your first year

00:11:54.720 in office, you've only been there for a few weeks and you usually haven't gotten anything

00:11:58.440 done.

00:11:59.300 And by God, not the case at all.

00:12:02.100 I mean, just the Lake and Riley Act would be reason enough to hold this address and get

00:12:07.080 into the specifics of what's happened at the border.

00:12:09.280 You know, the reports are, and Trump has been saying that the numbers are down more than

00:12:15.920 100% at the border.

00:12:17.080 The latest is that we're down 94% of crossings at the border.

00:12:20.600 I mean, it was like almost 200,000 a month this time last year, and it's down to 8,000

00:12:24.820 a month this year.

00:12:26.440 I mean, it's incredible what he's, he has sealed up the border almost as much as is humanly

00:12:31.980 possible.

00:12:32.840 But there's so much beyond the executive order.

00:12:35.180 This is just an extraordinary presidency so far in terms of volume and the number of

00:12:40.200 things that, you know, some might've predicted this older, perhaps tired, second go at it

00:12:47.060 president could possibly get done.

00:12:49.080 He's governing like his life depends on it with the number of things going on.

00:12:53.360 So I think it's actually going to feel and sound very much like a victory speech.

00:12:58.360 Like here are all the things we've already delivered on for you, and it will be a substantial

00:13:02.060 list.

00:13:02.740 So what do you guys think?

00:13:03.720 I mean, always remember when you're talking about say the union addresses that, um, 90%

00:13:09.280 of it will be forgotten within a week and, uh, including many of the, uh, promises that

00:13:13.980 are made about what's going to happen in the future.

00:13:15.440 If you look back at 2017, Trump's first one, uh, he, uh, had nice words to say about Justin

00:13:21.400 Trudeau.

00:13:22.140 Uh, he says, we, you know, we, we support NATO strongly.

00:13:25.520 Uh, and he bragged a lot about how the stock market had done since his election.

00:13:28.520 So I don't think we're going to see either of those or any of those, uh, discussed in great

00:13:32.100 detail.

00:13:32.340 And they spend most of the time talking about how they're going to repeal Obamacare and

00:13:34.880 replace it with something.

00:13:35.660 And which didn't happen, not all at his hands.

00:13:37.900 Um, but it's, so we're going to hear things like that, that don't really matter that much.

00:13:44.520 And we're doing it on a day where we started a trade war.

00:13:46.440 This is a much more consequential, a single day policy than almost anything he did last

00:13:52.140 time around.

00:13:52.660 Um, and, uh, I'm sure if Michael, uh, Moynihan is, uh, glancing down furiously at his desk,

00:13:59.000 he's watching his stock portfolio continue to be massacred, uh, today's not the day for

00:14:05.340 that today.

00:14:06.200 Super not yesterday wasn't either.

00:14:08.740 I thought that that was going to be something to tout, right?

00:14:12.000 I mean, he made the deadline for them to do.

00:14:14.520 It wasn't really clear exactly what he wanted them to do in Canada and Mexico in order not

00:14:18.480 to be subjected to these tariffs, um, right before this address.

00:14:23.080 So clearly Trump wanted to use that in his speech tonight.

00:14:25.580 And he said they, well, they haven't accomplished enough, but again, it was kind of unclear.

00:14:30.180 What exactly are they supposed to do?

00:14:31.280 We realized that, you know, the borders not secure because of Mexico and he's still complaining 1.00

00:14:35.500 about the amount of fentanyl that's coming across it.

00:14:37.380 Yes.

00:14:37.720 I think everybody agrees.

00:14:38.820 There were some stats around that where that were very bad in terms of bus we just made,

00:14:41.980 um, Canada and it's coming across the Canadian border.

00:14:45.420 Some of it is coming across the Canadian border, but I think he's more upset about the trade

00:14:50.140 deficit with Canada and that's why he's punishing them.

00:14:52.860 It's, it remains unclear.

00:14:53.880 Trump, Trump hasn't said specifically, here are your sins, at least not as much with respect

00:14:58.360 to Canada.

00:14:58.860 He keeps pointing to yes, fentanyl, but also trade deficit.

00:15:02.380 So now they're each face.

00:15:03.160 And also NATO tariffs.

00:15:05.020 He's come up with six different rationales.

00:15:07.180 So let's talk about it because he's very happy about it.

00:15:09.300 And he clearly thinks he's going to a get money for the United States from doing this.

00:15:15.380 Um, he points out that like Canada's got all these banks in the United States, but not

00:15:19.740 a single American bank is allowed in Canada.

00:15:21.980 How's that fair?

00:15:22.920 Right?

00:15:23.060 Like just these basic things that frankly, people can understand.

00:15:25.780 They're like, you're right.

00:15:27.320 There is a bank from Canada down the road.

00:15:29.120 Why can't we have this sort of basic fairness is what Trump's going for.

00:15:32.840 You guys as libertarians are not big fans of tariffs.

00:15:37.100 You, we had a conversation when Trump first announced that he might slap 10% tariffs across

00:15:41.040 the board months and months and months ago.

00:15:43.120 And now he's done it.

00:15:46.240 It's not 10% across the board, but these are big old tariffs on, um, you know, two of our

00:15:49.920 so-called friends.

00:15:50.760 So what do you make of them?

00:15:52.440 I mean, they're huge tariffs.

00:15:53.560 This is, this is the time for him to tell them today.

00:15:56.840 He should do it today because the, the tail of this is not going to look good for him.

00:16:01.380 And we already see this echoing out into, you know, certain input costs.

00:16:06.520 I mean, we've seen a lot of numbers in this and the wall street journal has been covering

00:16:09.820 this pretty, pretty closely is that in anticipation of these tariffs, the input costs for a lot

00:16:16.620 of things, a lot of American manufacturing have gone through the roof.

00:16:20.160 You have also seen a lot of Republican, uh, congressmen, Republican senators talking both

00:16:26.020 off the record and on the record that they're really fearful of what this is going to do,

00:16:30.220 particularly in agriculture, because we always think about this as an export thing only.

00:16:35.500 I mean, import thing only.

00:16:36.960 We want to put barriers up because someone's being unfair to us and we will reap the benefits.

00:16:41.720 Remember, Donald Trump says that the tariffs are going to pay for themselves on their own.

00:16:47.000 The most lovely word in the English language, according to Donald Trump is tariff.

00:16:50.920 So why would you ever take them down?

00:16:53.020 Why would you ever use them as leverage?

00:16:54.800 Why not just keep them in forever if they're so consequential to the American economy and

00:16:59.380 in a positive way?

00:17:00.960 I mean, there's literally no economists that you can find that believe that trade is a net

00:17:06.220 negative.

00:17:06.960 They think it's a net positive that has some sort of factors that aren't great that you have

00:17:11.480 to, you have to account for, you know, the hollowing out of certain American industries

00:17:15.220 that was kind of inevitable in any case.

00:17:17.700 But there there was some consequences of free trade.

00:17:21.260 But on net, it is a very, very positive thing for the American consumer.

00:17:24.860 And when you see people like American farmers, they export so much stuff in this is going

00:17:29.940 to really hit their bottom line.

00:17:31.660 And they're worried about it.

00:17:33.420 And Trump has suggested it might.

00:17:36.180 Yeah.

00:17:36.400 And Ron Johnson was talking about it in and these are much more consequential tariffs than

00:17:41.940 the first time around.

00:17:42.620 And so I think that, you know, the Wall Street Journal had an editorial the other day that 0.97

00:17:45.680 said it was, you know, we're again back to the dumbest tariffs of all time. 0.96

00:17:49.580 We'll see. 0.94

00:17:50.940 They do not look good for the American consumer.

00:17:54.800 And we are going to take a hit.

00:17:56.480 It's just going to happen.

00:17:58.140 It's just a matter of how how much can, you know, the American voter and consumer take of

00:18:03.500 this and how much will they blame Donald Trump in the law room?

00:18:05.740 So just FYI, this is what the White House put out and like a fact sheet on its tariffs

00:18:10.420 to justify the tariffs in part.

00:18:13.560 And this I'm bringing this part up because it mentions more about Canada.

00:18:17.120 A recent study recognized Canada's heightened domestic production of fentanyl and its growing

00:18:21.620 footprint within international narcotics distribution.

00:18:24.780 Canada-based drug trafficking organizations maintain robust super labs, mostly in rural and

00:18:29.180 dense areas in Western Canada, some of which can produce 44 to 66 pounds of fentanyl weekly.

00:18:33.920 Last year's northern border fentanyl seizures, though smaller than Mexico's, could kill 9.5

00:18:39.740 million Americans due to the drug's potency.

00:18:41.940 Proof of Canada's growing role in this crisis.

00:18:43.700 Fentanyl seizures at the northern border in the first four months of the fiscal year are

00:18:46.560 quickly closing in on what was seized the entirety of fiscal year 2022.

00:18:52.360 Both nations' failure to arrest traffickers, seize drugs, or coordinate with U.S. law enforcement

00:18:56.300 constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to America's security.

00:18:59.580 Do you think President Trump wants them to step up, crack down on fentanyl and greater

00:19:07.700 crackdowns on the border?

00:19:09.120 Or do you think President Trump wants to extract the 25 percent penalty?

00:19:14.700 Like, which one is the better result in his mind?

00:19:17.940 I think the answer is yes.

00:19:19.660 And I would also point out that that White House press release, if you look at a map of where

00:19:25.380 those border seizures happened, some of our states that border Canada have a lot of territory

00:19:30.760 south of that border.

00:19:32.380 And that's where some of those seizures took place.

00:19:34.460 It wasn't necessarily like border interdictions.

00:19:36.660 The reason that you mentioned fentanyl is that that gives you the national security excuse.

00:19:41.300 That's why.

00:19:42.060 It's not, you know, this is an emergency declaration.

00:19:45.640 You need some reason for the emergency.

00:19:47.920 So the emergency with Canada is fentanyl.

00:19:49.680 The emergency in the southern border is for the cartels.

00:19:53.760 I think it is appropriate to take it as BS, that it's just a fig leaf to do a thing that

00:20:01.500 Trump wants to do.

00:20:02.300 And that's also illustrated by the fact that it's one of a half a dozen.

00:20:05.540 You mentioned banks.

00:20:06.680 And there are U.S. banks that operate in Canada, including retail, but not in every single

00:20:10.320 sector.

00:20:10.740 And there is protectionism associated with that.

00:20:12.680 But Trump has also mentioned the amount that Canada puts into NATO.

00:20:16.900 There have been a whole number of different rationales for this.

00:20:21.420 I think the best way to understand what Trump wants to do with tariffs is that Trump wants

00:20:25.320 to do tariffs.

00:20:26.500 He modeled himself after William McKinley.

00:20:28.660 He likes to call himself tariff man, all of these things.

00:20:31.500 He truly believes that we can swap the federal income tax with a tariff system, as was indeed

00:20:37.720 the case in America between 1870 and 1913.

00:20:41.220 So let's do that all over again.

00:20:42.420 And it can't happen because the president can do the tariffs but cannot necessarily do

00:20:47.620 the tax reform exactly the way that he wants to do it.

00:20:49.820 That has to go through Congress.

00:20:51.260 But he really, truly believes this.

00:20:52.840 And so he's going to, because precisely his second administration is a lot more lubricated.

00:20:59.220 It's just going.

00:21:00.460 It is getting things done in a way that the first administration is not.

00:21:03.240 And you'll see the rhetoric associated with his first state of the union, much different

00:21:06.560 than his first, as you rightly pointed out, Megan.

00:21:08.460 But one of the things that he has wanted to do for a really long time is tariffs.

00:21:12.720 And so that's why they are done.

00:21:14.080 I don't think it's a negotiating tactic at this point.

00:21:16.140 It is an expression of his ideology.

00:21:19.160 And one thing to add to that is that it's not an economic argument.

00:21:22.600 I mean, obviously, the economic argument is a lot harder.

00:21:25.240 So if you're making the argument that it's about fentanyl, like, look, no one in their

00:21:28.740 right mind is going to say, great, we want more fentanyl coming.

00:21:31.400 I think we could all agree that Canada, Mexico, a more aggressive stance towards drugs that

00:21:38.780 are killing a huge number of people coming across the border is a good thing. 1.00

00:21:41.860 Can you negotiate that in a way that doesn't punish American consumers?

00:21:47.200 I mean, we saw today, right before we started this, that Ontario slapped on a 25% tariff on

00:21:53.400 electricity that they deliver to almost 2 million households in Michigan, Minnesota.

00:21:58.240 Yeah, they promised that they would, and now they've done it.

00:21:59.980 And now they've done it.

00:22:01.400 And, you know, that's an immediate thing that people feel in their pocketbook.

00:22:04.900 Is that a long-term good?

00:22:07.220 I mean, what is the negotiation here?

00:22:09.620 I mean, is this for American manufacturing?

00:22:12.920 I just can't even, I mean, is it for fentanyl?

00:22:15.180 It seems like a very, very, you know, slapdash, willy-nilly policy, but I think people are going

00:22:20.380 to feel really quickly.

00:22:21.660 So that's why I said, you know, mentioning it tonight is probably-

00:22:24.600 Well, have you looked, I confess I haven't looked at how bad the trade deficit is between

00:22:27.840 the United States and Canada or the United States and Mexico.

00:22:30.500 I know it was very bad between the United States and China, which is why they got, in addition 1.00

00:22:35.900 to the, Trump put on tariffs in his first term, which the Democrats ripped, but then Joe Biden

00:22:40.740 kept in place.

00:22:42.140 And most economists actually wound up defending them.

00:22:44.680 And then he came back into office and slapped another 10% on China.

00:22:48.240 And now just last night slapped another 10% on China.

00:22:51.600 But there's no question that there's a massive trade deficit between China and us.

00:22:56.240 I don't know what it is between us and Canada and us and Mexico, but I'm sure there's a basic 0.98

00:23:00.700 fairness argument to be made.

00:23:03.500 You could also talk to most economists who don't believe trade deficits are even a thing that

00:23:08.500 matters.

00:23:09.120 I mean, that ultimately it is a benefit to American consumers either way.

00:23:13.620 I mean, that, that if there's some equalization is, and again, this is, you know, something

00:23:18.880 that I, I believe myself, but I am not an economist and we should probably talk to an economist

00:23:23.440 about this, but that is a, a widely held view that, that trade deficits are not something

00:23:27.440 that is like an actual deficit, which is another thing that we have to pay attention to at the

00:23:32.660 moment are real deficits.

00:23:34.040 I mean, I guess we should know the answers to these and maybe president Trump will fill in

00:23:38.000 some of these blanks at a speech tonight and defend why he thinks these are necessary.

00:23:40.900 But I, for one, am willing to see how it goes.

00:23:44.000 I think if the economy really starts tanking and large swaths of the American economic machine

00:23:48.860 start hurting, Trump will do something.

00:23:51.000 I mean, that's, that is really what he prides himself on more than anything is his being

00:23:56.620 a businessman, his cutting deals.

00:23:59.180 And Trump in particular is not going to look at a suffering stock market for very long and

00:24:03.520 say, I won't do anything.

00:24:05.280 He'll do it.

00:24:05.780 He will do something.

00:24:06.700 He's just, that's the thing about Trump is he's active.

00:24:08.640 If, you know, he doesn't just sit back and then go quiet and we see him half dead on

00:24:12.460 a Rehoboth beach weeks later being wheeled out by his wife.

00:24:16.380 That's Trump is active.

00:24:17.500 So I feel like let's give him a shot.

00:24:19.440 He clearly believes in this.

00:24:20.880 Let's see how it goes.

00:24:22.080 If it turns disastrous, I think he'll, he'll do what's necessary to undo it or make up the

00:24:26.360 losses somehow.

00:24:27.780 I'm willing to hear him out tonight.

00:24:29.640 Okay.

00:24:29.980 So let's talk about what, like the look of it, as I point out, we're not going to have

00:24:34.020 Nancy Pelosi behind him.

00:24:35.220 It's going to be Mike Johnson and JD Vance, which will be, I think, a pleasure for most

00:24:38.620 of us.

00:24:40.040 And then you've got the, the guests who are going to be invited to sit in the first ladies, 1.00

00:24:46.860 you know, sort of skybox there.

00:24:48.720 And he is bringing among other people, Peyton McNabb, the now 19 year old girl from North

00:24:56.640 Carolina, who was slammed so hard in the face by a volleyball, by a male pretending to be 0.68

00:25:01.400 a female player that she suffered permanent nerve damage and a traumatic brain injury.

00:25:07.340 I think she's a perfect guest to accompany the president and to be there so he can make 0.74

00:25:12.940 a reference to her.

00:25:13.600 Here's the video here.

00:25:15.400 That's Peyton on the right. 0.99

00:25:17.640 Sorry, sorry.

00:25:18.320 That's, that's the male player on the right. 0.96

00:25:20.220 And then Peyton is going to get it. 1.00

00:25:22.140 Watch.

00:25:22.340 And so the spikes of male players are, they've been documented like to be far more powerful

00:25:30.300 and with higher, higher velocity than what any woman can do. 1.00

00:25:34.940 And so this girl is a great walking, but since Peyton got injured, there have been so many

00:25:39.260 young girls who have been injured, who have had trophies stolen from them.

00:25:42.960 And guys, this comes on the heels of yesterday, every Democrat in the Senate and both of the

00:25:51.520 so-called independents who are also secret Democrats voting against the Protection of Women

00:25:56.700 and Girls in Sports Act.

00:25:58.380 Every single one, even though this issue has 80% support by the American public to not let

00:26:08.020 boys into girls sports, it's insane. 0.99

00:26:10.600 That alone is a huge winner and winning moment for Trump tonight.

00:26:16.120 Thoughts?

00:26:17.560 It's clearly a very popular policy nationally.

00:26:21.300 This is perhaps one, one of the issues where Donald Trump, especially with respect to the,

00:26:26.440 by comparison to Democrats, has just been able to kind of lap his opposition.

00:26:30.580 There are, I think, plenty of people like weirdo libertarians who have this concern about

00:26:37.300 whether or not the federal government ought to be getting involved.

00:26:39.380 And it is rather ironic and surprising to hear Democratic senators making arguments that

00:26:44.020 we have made for years and years and years on a range of issues that the states and the

00:26:47.660 local government ought to be making these fundamental decisions about what's happening with

00:26:51.400 specific kind of narrow issues.

00:26:54.960 And this, in many respects, is a kind of specific and narrow issues.

00:26:58.780 There are particular cases that have risen to national attention, as you just pointed out.

00:27:03.360 But for the most part, I don't know that most people experience a lot of this stuff in their

00:27:07.980 everyday lives.

00:27:08.880 And the question that I've asked since Donald Trump's inauguration and the executive orders

00:27:13.340 pertaining to this is whether or not the objective ought to be to try and pass executive orders

00:27:20.780 or even to pass a new federal statute that is going to outlaw certain things, as opposed

00:27:25.400 to trying to make certain that there is a kind of neutrality.

00:27:28.880 That universities and the NCAA aren't trying to push particular values on parents and families

00:27:36.880 and communities and even players and incentivize things in the way that Joe Biden had before.

00:27:42.240 And now Donald Trump is essentially trying to reverse that.

00:27:44.620 The reason why you need some sort of federal legislation if you're a conservative who's

00:27:48.340 concerned about these issues is because you know that just doing this with respect to

00:27:51.700 executive orders, it's going to be tit for tat.

00:27:55.280 As soon as Donald Trump is out of office, someone else is going to do this.

00:27:57.980 So the question becomes, perhaps going for pluralism, perhaps trying to make some of these

00:28:03.800 things less ideological is a better path forward on a range of issues, even a lot of the diversity

00:28:10.320 It's very hard because I take your point, state by state experiment and all that, but I actually

00:28:16.100 do think it's a civil rights issue for girls and for women. 1.00

00:28:19.540 And they're already entitled to this protection under the existing law.

00:28:23.340 It just must be enforced.

00:28:24.320 But secondly, we've of course been through four years of Joe Biden, where he implemented

00:28:29.480 these so-called reforms into title nine and policy and his, you know, dear friend pressure

00:28:36.120 on universities.

00:28:36.960 And so Trump has to try to undo it on a national level, both through executive order and title

00:28:42.740 nine, new guidance.

00:28:43.980 And ideally through a statute, which would stop this pendulum from swinging back and forth and

00:28:49.140 back and forth and we can have predictability here is who we need to keep our eyes on.

00:28:55.300 Okay.

00:28:55.560 Because the senators who are from blue states like New York and California are not going

00:29:04.000 to be punished for their absurd vote. 0.98

00:29:07.120 And keep in mind, they didn't even have the balls to allow a vote. 0.99

00:29:10.520 That's what they were being asked on. 0.50

00:29:11.680 Will you vote for cloture, which is where you need 60 votes in the Senate to say yes.

00:29:16.440 That's it.

00:29:17.080 They just needed to allow this to proceed to the Senate floor for a real vote and then

00:29:21.920 let majority rule as it always should.

00:29:24.000 They wouldn't.

00:29:25.240 So they affirmatively stopped it because they knew that the Republicans did have the 53 votes.

00:29:31.100 All 53 Republicans were ready to vote yes on this.

00:29:34.040 And they couldn't get the chance to because they needed seven Dems to cross over.

00:29:37.680 So here are the true villains, the ones who are in swing states who must be targeted.

00:29:43.560 I'm begging Elon to use some of his money and he's 100% with me on this issue.

00:29:49.660 100% with me.

00:29:51.380 I beg you to use some of your money to help defeat the following people.

00:29:56.480 Arizona, both of them have to go.

00:29:58.840 Ruben Gallego, it should have been Carrie Lake anyway. 0.79

00:30:01.020 She would have voted the right way.

00:30:02.360 Mark Kelly, who I liked and who I still have a personal affinity for.

00:30:06.280 I'm sorry, you need to go.

00:30:08.700 If I could wave my magic wand, you're fired, sir, because you voted the wrong way. 0.98

00:30:14.920 Georgia, John Ossoff, who's got a daughter but doesn't seem to give two shits about what 0.99

00:30:19.360 happens to her on the sports field.

00:30:21.540 And Raphael Warnock, who I think is going soon anyway.

00:30:24.900 Michigan, Gary Peters, Alyssa Slotkin, you have to go too.

00:30:29.320 You didn't show up.

00:30:30.420 You didn't think it was important enough, even though you're one of the women in the Senate,

00:30:33.240 to show up and support young girls trying to work their way up the power chain behind you.

00:30:38.460 Nevada, Catherine Cortez Masto, you too.

00:30:41.280 Jackie Rosen, gone, if I have anything to say about it. 1.00

00:30:44.560 Pennsylvania, fuck you, John Fetterman. 1.00

00:30:47.660 You act like you're a man of the people. 1.00

00:30:50.720 You're going to look out for the weak.

00:30:52.700 You get it. 1.00

00:30:53.500 You don't get shit. 1.00

00:30:54.900 You really don't. 1.00

00:30:55.780 That part of your brain still appears to be injured because you're going to let all these 1.00

00:30:59.960 little girls go out there and get a traumatic brain injury. 0.98

00:31:03.240 You, of all people who understand what that brain injury can do, screw you and your working 0.99

00:31:09.800 class appeal. 0.98

00:31:10.780 You don't get it at all. 1.00

00:31:12.260 And then there's Wisconsin's Tammy Baldwin, who exposed herself as a complete idiot in 1.00

00:31:18.360 those confirmation hearings that I went down to. 1.00

00:31:20.200 She was one of the dopiest people we saw up there.

00:31:22.320 I'm not surprised she she landed in the wrong place. 0.86

00:31:24.660 But those are swing state Democratic senators who ruined the protection of girls and women 0.99

00:31:32.260 thanks to their votes on this issue.

00:31:34.680 They ought to be targeted and they ought to be made to pay at the ballot box.

00:31:38.760 The next chance we get.

00:31:41.740 Oof, I think you need to show more emotion on this.

00:31:44.380 Megan, your pulse is lacking.

00:31:46.220 I think I'm going to go.

00:31:47.740 Show me a girl. 1.00

00:31:48.720 Show me a 16 year old girl with a traumatic brain injury and permanent paralysis.

00:31:51.840 Cause she's trying to play her high school game. 1.00

00:31:54.000 I, I'm, I am, I am angry.

00:31:56.700 I sure I'm furious with them.

00:31:59.180 I went to today and looked for the arguments of the people who voted.

00:32:03.020 No, um, because, uh, I, you know, I have a built in skepticism of, uh, legislation in

00:32:09.180 general, and then also stuff that appears to be sort of chasing headlines.

00:32:12.540 Um, first the text of the bill is pretty innocuous.

00:32:15.860 It's just like, Hey, look, um, people who are born girls should play girl sports.

00:32:19.720 Uh, people who are born boys should play boy sports. 0.92

00:32:21.780 And if you receive title nine, if you receive federal funding, um, you won't get it anymore.

00:32:26.180 If you don't follow those rules, pretty simple.

00:32:29.240 I mean, uh, Trump's executive order was followed and adopted by the NCAA in basically a heartbeat.

00:32:34.540 So it's already the rule of the land.

00:32:37.080 And I don't see a whole lot of upset associated with that.

00:32:39.440 So I went and looked at the, um, there's an asterisk on that, but keep going, uh, uh,

00:32:43.660 the arguments for it.

00:32:44.760 And there really weren't that many, there wasn't actually the like principled libertarian arguments

00:32:48.720 against it.

00:32:49.340 It was mostly like, Oh, this is just a culture war issue.

00:32:52.040 I think John Hickenlooper was saying that, uh, it, it affects almost nobody.

00:32:56.320 Um, uh, Fetterman said that, uh, it's important to show that you're an ally to trans people.

00:33:01.580 Um, and, um, I actually agree that it's important to show that you're an ally to your, to all

00:33:07.640 constituents, but I don't know what, what a vote on this has anything to do with that.

00:33:11.380 Honestly, it's like, do you have the legal rights to participate in society?

00:33:15.260 That's kind of where that goes as far as I'm concerned.

00:33:17.520 Uh, and then I think it was Cortez, uh, Masto, uh, uh, said something along the lines of if 0.92

00:33:22.660 this passes, then, um, all, all girls are going to have their genitals inspected. 1.00

00:33:28.520 Um, and I just don't think that that's really.

00:33:31.620 What's going to happen.

00:33:32.960 Um, I don't think that's what's happening right now in the NCAA.

00:33:35.860 Matt, let me tell you something in response to that.

00:33:37.580 It's exactly the opposite because here's what's happening now.

00:33:40.980 I know this because I am the mother of this age child.

00:33:44.820 You know, I have a 15 and a 13 and 11 year old, and this is where this kind of thing

00:33:49.800 becomes a problem when they're little, you know, when it's not an issue pre puberty, when

00:33:53.560 they're seven and eight and playing against each other, there's not a difference so much,

00:33:57.340 a little difference there is, but like, it's not a dangerous difference between boys and

00:34:01.180 girls at that, at that age.

00:34:02.740 Um, but this is where, where my kids are, where it does become an issue.

00:34:07.340 And what's happening now is if you have a, you know, gender non-conforming girl who's 0.99

00:34:15.560 out there, let's say on the field hockey field, parents are starting to worry that it's a boy.

00:34:21.600 Is that a boy?

00:34:23.200 Because there are a lot of moms now who are like, my child is not playing against a biological

00:34:27.540 boy.

00:34:28.020 It isn't safe.

00:34:28.920 And I object to it.

00:34:30.440 And so now questions get asked about, is that a girl or is that a boy?

00:34:35.140 And as you know, inspect genitals, that's of course, hysterical talk from the left, but

00:34:39.320 they, there are like questions.

00:34:41.880 Is that a boy or is it a girl?

00:34:43.320 And you're entitled to know as a parent who has a child out there, because look at Peyton 0.98

00:34:47.260 McNabb.

00:34:47.960 Nobody wants their child to have that happen to them or the girl in Massachusetts who had

00:34:52.200 all of her teeth knocked out on the field hockey field by a boy pretending to be a girl

00:34:56.320 on the other team and the trauma to the rest of her teammates and watching her mouth fall

00:35:00.920 out of her skull, which is what happened with blood everywhere. 1.00

00:35:05.440 Fuck you, John Fetterman and your empathy for the trans people. 1.00

00:35:09.660 Where's your empathy for that girl who has no more teeth in Massachusetts anyway? 1.00

00:35:14.480 So if, if we know that boys are not allowed to play in girls athletics, of course we will

00:35:22.260 do what we have always done, which is just say, that's a more masculine looking girl. 0.97

00:35:26.660 That's maybe it's a lesbian. 1.00

00:35:27.960 Maybe it's like a, a butch lesbian. 1.00

00:35:30.160 Fine. 0.99

00:35:30.760 Most women have zero problem with that. 1.00

00:35:33.280 We love, we love all women.

00:35:34.840 We love the lesbians. 1.00

00:35:35.820 We love the lipstick kind. 0.99

00:35:36.760 We love the butch kind.

00:35:37.400 We don't care.

00:35:38.080 Welcome to the sports lead.

00:35:39.620 Be great.

00:35:40.580 Awesome.

00:35:40.940 But if you have to wonder whether it's secretly a boy, it raises safety and other concerns

00:35:45.660 that do make you get more, not inspecting on the child, but worried and inquisitional

00:35:52.280 and can lead to awkward, uncomfortable moments for everyone.

00:35:57.220 No, Megan, I think you're making a really good case.

00:36:00.160 And I will say that admittedly, I don't follow this issue nearly as closely.

00:36:03.680 My kids are pretty young.

00:36:04.660 My daughter just turned seven.

00:36:06.320 My son turned three today and Leah is outclassing most boys, her age and every athletic engaged.

00:36:15.620 But the thing that I was surprised to learn today, actually reading up on this a little

00:36:19.700 bit, is that even the Biden administration had more than entertained the possibility of

00:36:24.460 actually implementing some kind of restrictions on the policies that they were putting forward

00:36:29.120 in this area because they had the same kinds of concerns that there would be situations

00:36:33.240 where you'd had a boy who'd gone through puberty, who then decided to do some sort of transition

00:36:38.940 and as a result would have a particularly unfair advantage in certain sports and could endanger

00:36:45.080 some of their fellow athletes.

00:36:46.340 So the fact that they were even willing to entertain that sort of thing does give, I think,

00:36:51.760 some credence to the arguments that are being leveled from the right right now.

00:36:55.480 And it also suggests that there was probably, and I would imagine continues to be, a real

00:37:00.900 opportunity to actually get some Democratic support for a piece of legislation that makes

00:37:05.880 sense to them.

00:37:06.500 As Matt said, the one that does exist seems fairly innocuous, but perhaps there's a way

00:37:11.860 to actually barter to get something done here, which I think, you know, ultimately getting

00:37:16.540 the win is far more important, I think, than just having the battle and, you know, losing

00:37:20.860 a close vote.

00:37:21.520 Um, so maybe they, they do come back and actually get this done by looking to whatever

00:37:26.200 model.

00:37:26.580 I mean, they wrote it intentionally to be as non-controversial as possible, you know, so

00:37:30.080 that they didn't put all these weird things in there that would allow the Democrats to wiggle

00:37:33.820 out of it.

00:37:34.300 It's, it's very simple.

00:37:35.640 It's, it's the thing that 80% of the populace supports and these Dems all voted.

00:37:41.780 No, not one showed courage on this subject before we move on from it.

00:37:45.800 So just this week, this is via the lion, a, it's a new media outlet that publishes articles

00:37:52.540 on news and culture.

00:37:54.320 Um, they reported that in Southern California at the track meet out there, um, the, a junior

00:38:02.960 who goes by AB Hernandez, who's a biological male finished first in the high jump, the long

00:38:11.360 jump and the triple jump, the triple jump performance, which I'm about to show to you was eight feet

00:38:18.120 further than the runner up eight feet.

00:38:22.540 He jumped further than the girl.

00:38:25.180 Watch it.

00:38:29.540 Oh my God.

00:38:34.340 Wow.

00:38:35.440 That's.

00:38:37.780 And you hear somebody say that's just wrong because they know.

00:38:42.180 California response.

00:38:43.700 No, no girl's going to be able to compete against that. 0.81

00:38:47.160 Here is AB Hernandez after the meet.

00:38:49.360 It's like, how are you using all that momentum and just all that energy to try to put into

00:38:56.180 a great year this year?

00:38:57.500 Um, I just keep telling myself you are number one and it's yours to lose.

00:39:02.460 Just a 40 foot jumping that in the triple, keeping that consistency with that, hitting

00:39:06.560 that 40, 40 foot mark.

00:39:08.260 Uh, what's just your expectations for the rest of the year?

00:39:11.160 Uh, expectations just to keep my phases longer, push more, work out more, get further, hopefully

00:39:18.520 hit a 41 this year, if it's possible, preferably at state so that you can possibly win.

00:39:25.660 Okay.

00:39:26.180 And then I'm just gonna make two other points quickly.

00:39:28.720 That that's why this AB Hernandez is being allowed to play.

00:39:31.840 Yes. 0.83

00:39:32.060 Woke ideology and all that, but also these ridiculous schools who want, who want wins. 0.95

00:39:36.300 There is a school in Westchester. 0.86

00:39:37.960 It's a private school and they fired their athletic director because he was against letting

00:39:45.240 boys onto the girls teams for safety and fairness issues.

00:39:49.440 And they wanted boys on the girls teams because they want to win the rugby championship or the

00:39:56.240 ice hockey championship.

00:39:57.340 I can't remember which one it was.

00:39:58.340 It must be ice hockey because rugby is not big here.

00:40:00.600 They want to win the ice hockey championship, the girls team, and the more boys they can put on

00:40:06.320 the team, the better.

00:40:08.160 And here's the second thing.

00:40:09.640 Staying in California, there's the San Francisco Waldorf girls basketball team.

00:40:14.440 We, um, we have covered this team in the past.

00:40:18.140 Uh, they've been dominating thanks to a boy named Harry, who is on the team who typically averages

00:40:25.180 20 points a game, 20 points a game, but he was out, um, on in the last week of February.

00:40:33.940 And, um, by the way, in January, he, he scored 29 points.

00:40:37.560 Uh, that was his average, but he did not play in the recent playoff game.

00:40:42.320 And guess what?

00:40:43.140 His team lost by 26 points.

00:40:46.960 They really missed their biological boy on the team.

00:40:51.000 So this is what girls are up against. 1.00

00:40:52.420 You run into these athletic directors who want the W or the school principal who wants

00:40:56.540 the W at all costs and, or, you know, extremely woke Californians who are like, boys are girls

00:41:02.500 or CBS news who in reporting on what happened last night says as follows.

00:41:09.180 Senate Dems on Monday blocked a measure that sought to ban transgender girls and women from

00:41:16.440 competing on school sports teams that match their gender identity.

00:41:20.480 Talk about not phrasing the problem correctly, right?

00:41:24.640 This is what we're up against.

00:41:26.400 So it's a no, it must be a federal statute.

00:41:29.400 It cannot be a state by state experiment.

00:41:31.520 We need national legislation. 0.92

00:41:33.060 And we, while we don't need this on girls teams, we do need in Congress, more people with balls. 1.00

00:41:40.600 Well, some of them don't have balls. 0.97

00:41:43.360 Thank you, Camille. 1.00

00:41:43.820 They're women. 1.00

00:41:45.240 And I believe in those categories, Megan. 1.00

00:41:48.940 Kevin Baldwin does not have balls. 0.99

00:41:50.860 And that's just a biological fact. 0.99

00:41:54.340 A couple of things here is that, you know, I think last time we were on and Matt was pointing

00:41:58.940 out something that you've pointed out this time too.

00:42:00.880 It's an 80, 20 issue.

00:42:02.160 And those are very rare.

00:42:03.540 And, you know, even though you're in a blue state, this is a pretty clear issue for people

00:42:08.760 when they have girls.

00:42:10.000 I mean, I have a girl who is just turned 14 years old, is shockingly, when you look at

00:42:16.800 me, an exceptional athlete and a very competitive athlete.

00:42:20.340 I was just in Florida for a gymnastics meet.

00:42:24.300 I'm all over the country for them.

00:42:25.940 And, you know, it was funny when we were in Florida, we went to the meet and it was the

00:42:28.480 only meet we'd ever been to where there were men doing male gymnastics, which is a different

00:42:33.300 thing, by the way.

00:42:34.220 They do rings and they do pommel horse.

00:42:36.040 The girls don't do that because there's a strength issue, right? 1.00

00:42:38.760 Those are very strength oriented things.

00:42:41.280 And that's the basic thing that are we even having that argument still that men and women 0.53

00:42:46.060 are fundamentally different.

00:42:47.960 That was, by the way, an argument we had, you know, four or five years ago that I just

00:42:51.780 had my head in my hands and I couldn't believe that this was actually an argument that

00:42:55.940 was being proffered by the people on the other side of this issue.

00:42:59.040 But there are two things, as you point out, is one of them is a fairness issue and one

00:43:04.220 of them is a safety issue because there are different sports.

00:43:07.080 You point out hockey.

00:43:08.020 No one ever talks about that.

00:43:09.400 Leah Thomas is going to beat you in the pool because of obvious biological differences. 1.00

00:43:15.160 On the hockey rink, my daughter and I are both obsessive hockey fans.

00:43:18.860 We go to NHL games all the time and I would love for her to play hockey when she gets into

00:43:22.920 high school.

00:43:23.260 But that's a different story because people are hitting each other all the time.

00:43:26.980 That is the point of hockey, like losing a race.

00:43:30.660 I mean, I mean, you saw the Four Nations game against the Canadians in the U.S.

00:43:35.480 They fought.

00:43:36.580 There were three fights for the first nine seconds of the game.

00:43:39.480 And this is what the game is.

00:43:40.940 It's a physical game.

00:43:42.200 And then all of a sudden you're like, wait a second.

00:43:44.480 This is why you saw that with the boxing and the Moroccan boxer.

00:43:49.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:50.520 That like that stuff is terrifying.

00:43:53.540 I mean, to watch that.

00:43:54.640 And if you have a girl that's out there who's 15, 16 years old, that doesn't matter if you're

00:43:58.740 in a blue state or a red state.

00:43:59.940 That's an issue that Donald Trump is obviously right to bring up tonight because it's a winning

00:44:04.440 issue.

00:44:04.740 And immigration is obviously a winning issue, too, that he has the public on his side in

00:44:08.800 those things.

00:44:09.260 And it's amazing to me the Democrats just are caught in the same ideology of culture

00:44:16.100 war, because like you mentioned Title IX, that Title IX is where people have been fighting

00:44:20.260 culture war stuff for the past decade.

00:44:22.700 And it's time that it stops.

00:44:24.280 It's kind of insane because most of the American people are on the side of sanity on this issue.

00:44:29.260 It's not.

00:44:29.860 By the way, just since since you're just among friends here, you can tell us the truth.

00:44:33.600 At those gymnastics tournaments, you're really just looking for Olivia Dunn, are you not?

00:44:37.260 It's a you're I literally have no idea who that is, Megan.

00:44:41.340 And I what do you mean?

00:44:42.820 She's like this incredibly talented, very beautiful.

00:44:45.740 I know exactly who she is.

00:44:46.940 I'm lying to you.

00:44:49.560 I literally have a tattoo of her in my shoulder blade.

00:44:53.580 I know my daughter and she listens to the show sometimes.

00:44:57.000 I don't know.

00:44:57.780 That's true.

00:44:58.860 I'm there only in a sort of academic way.

00:45:02.700 That's it.

00:45:03.640 Took me a minute.

00:45:04.720 OK.

00:45:04.820 What one other I want to talk about some of these guests, but there's also on the while

00:45:09.740 we're on the gender front, January, little John.

00:45:12.360 And she had her daughter socially transitioned by her school without her permission and somehow

00:45:21.340 managed to save her daughter, who's now in high school.

00:45:24.300 This is when she was in middle school and get her back on on the path.

00:45:28.200 Kids who express gender confusion, if you just leave them alone and you don't start socially

00:45:32.240 transitioning them or changing names or 90 percent of them plus will revert to their

00:45:38.460 biological sex and forget the gender nonsense. 1.00

00:45:41.100 But what happens is these schools without telling the parents start transitioning them

00:45:47.640 and then they they don't tell the parents anything.

00:45:49.760 The parents have no idea that when they go to school, they assume an entirely different

00:45:52.460 identity name, put on different clothing.

00:45:54.660 Everybody there experiences them as somebody of the opposite sex. 1.00

00:45:58.500 It's very dark.

00:46:00.600 Trump said this was happening.

00:46:01.820 We just did a story on this.

00:46:04.180 He said it repeatedly, but over the campaign trail, he said it.

00:46:07.120 And they tried to fact check him.

00:46:09.520 Axios tried to fact check him saying that's not happening.

00:46:12.320 It's happening all over the way.

00:46:13.760 It's happening all over New York City, public and private.

00:46:16.100 I can attest to that personally.

00:46:17.080 I've looked at the policy in both and known people that it's happening to.

00:46:21.140 And this is out in California.

00:46:22.240 And so tonight, to his credit, Trump, Trump brings the mother of a girl to whom it happened.

00:46:28.180 Socially transitioning these children is a huge step.

00:46:32.500 And it's one that's very hard to undo.

00:46:35.960 Very because the kids got emotional currency in it.

00:46:40.600 You know, it's like you make this big leap and everybody's like, yeah, snaps, snaps.

00:46:44.860 You know, now she's a boy.

00:46:46.320 And then the kids got to be like, no, didn't work out.

00:46:50.460 No one's given any thought to that.

00:46:51.660 That should be a decision that is made with parents.

00:46:54.520 But these schools are doing it without.

00:46:56.020 So I credit Trump a lot for choosing these people, putting them in the first lady's, you 0.71

00:47:02.980 know, seating area.

00:47:03.800 And so, you know, we'll see.

00:47:05.820 The whole point of doing that, guys, is try to force the media to talk about it.

00:47:10.900 But will they?

00:47:11.820 I think that one final point on this for me is that it's not really an ideological issue.

00:47:17.360 The reason it became an issue nominally of the right was because people on the right were

00:47:23.740 fighting these kind of woke wars and they stopped caring.

00:47:27.480 The number of people you talk to that are not on the right that live in New York City

00:47:31.440 who will quietly tell you that they agree with this stuff but are afraid of voicing it

00:47:35.580 publicly is enormous.

00:47:37.040 I mean, you know, we saw today Martina Navratilova, the famous tennis player who's gay and a very

00:47:46.180 left-wing woman, if you follow her on Twitter, was excoriating Democrats for voting against 1.00

00:47:51.840 this.

00:47:52.240 J.K.

00:47:52.600 Rowling is a left-winger.

00:47:55.040 People might think differently because they think, you know, this issue.

00:47:58.700 She's a liberal person.

00:47:59.820 There's a lot of liberals on this side.

00:48:01.680 That's why it's an 80-20 issue.

00:48:03.800 And one of the gaslighting things is to make people think that this is a right-wing issue.

00:48:08.540 It might be handled differently by people on the right, but it is an 80-20 issue because

00:48:13.140 it does go beyond kind of ideological boundaries.

00:48:16.940 And I think people are kind of becoming a little more comfortable talking about it because

00:48:21.000 maybe the administration made it that way.

00:48:23.320 Maybe the culture made it that way.

00:48:24.980 But people are less afraid of it.

00:48:26.280 Elon Musk's X helped more than anything else.

00:48:28.820 I just want to say that my 16-year-old, who I think is brain damaged without getting

00:48:34.440 hit by a volleyball, but her first day of middle school here in Brooklyn, public middle

00:48:46.400 school, first day of math class, they were encouraged, they were told by their teacher

00:48:52.060 this week is national coming out week.

00:48:54.000 So you should feel comfortable, everyone in this room, to come out at age 11 here in math

00:49:01.080 class in middle school.

00:49:02.660 This is not an isolated type of incident.

00:49:05.320 It happens in a lot of spaces.

00:49:07.380 And I think people are right to go, are we, this is what we should do with 11-year-olds?

00:49:11.980 And that also speaks to the limitations.

00:49:12.500 Can you imagine if somebody stood up and said, invitation accepted, I am a conservative

00:49:18.420 who voted for control, who supported?

00:49:20.740 Can you imagine what those teachers would do?

00:49:24.300 Thrown out of the school altogether.

00:49:26.080 I think Matt's daughter would definitely do that. 0.94

00:49:27.600 I mean, that's the thing, they actually will punish.

00:49:28.260 She would.

00:49:29.580 Stand by.

00:49:30.480 We're going to take a quick break.

00:49:31.940 Moynihan's going to go back to his Olivia Dunn file on his phone, and we will resume

00:49:35.700 right after this.

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00:50:41.020 Just to round it out, a couple of other guests we know he's going to be having.

00:50:49.260 The Comparatori family, the family of the man who was killed at the Trump-Butler rally.

00:50:54.460 Stephanie Diller.

00:50:55.420 This is a very smart one from Long Island.

00:50:57.500 She's the widow of Jonathan Diller, that NYPD officer who was murdered at a traffic stop

00:51:02.380 in Queens in March of 2024.

00:51:04.460 You remember Trump flew in from Florida and he attended the wake when Biden opted to go

00:51:09.400 to the fundraiser and sit for the, I think it was the SmartList podcast that day. 0.93

00:51:13.800 It was so ridiculous.

00:51:16.880 And then, yeah, and then he went to that fundraiser at Radio City Music Hall with Bill Kling. 1.00

00:51:20.520 So dumb. 0.98

00:51:21.800 Anyway, so the widow of Jonathan Diller will be there. 0.99

00:51:24.820 Mark Fogel, the school teacher Trump got back from Russia along with his 95-year-old mother

00:51:30.260 who asked Trump to get him back for her.

00:51:32.180 They're going to be there, smart.

00:51:34.680 The mother and sister of Lake and Riley, Allison and Lauren Phillips.

00:51:39.460 That'll be a very powerful moment.

00:51:41.560 Alexis Nungari, all this poor mom. 1.00

00:51:43.940 The mother of Jocelyn, 12-year-old girl who was murdered by two illegals.

00:51:49.100 And Biden's administration had apprehended and released them just before they murdered Jocelyn.

00:51:55.480 A steel worker who has been helping out, including at Hurricane Helene in the aftermath.

00:52:01.500 And Roberto Ortiz from Texas, who was with the U.S. Border Patrol for a decade.

00:52:08.000 He has been shot at repeatedly by cartel members.

00:52:10.840 So we'll see all these folks mentioned by the president tonight.

00:52:13.480 Should be compelling.

00:52:15.400 The speeches generally are boring, except for those personal moments.

00:52:18.860 You know, Trump is rarely boring, but he's still a president.

00:52:22.540 He's still got a long speech to read through.

00:52:23.900 And so these addresses tend to be long and monotonous and predictable.

00:52:28.980 And the Republicans in the audience will be totally obsequious and, you know, be on their feet every other. 0.92

00:52:33.920 And you'll be like, shut up. 0.96

00:52:34.820 It's too much applause. 0.91

00:52:35.840 And the Democrats will be sitting there cross-armed no matter what great thing he's done.

00:52:40.460 You know, I give you AOC back in the Trump years when he celebrated the bipartisan passage of the anti-sex trafficking act.

00:52:49.500 And she was like, those are sex workers. 1.00

00:52:53.780 We're not clapping for their whatever.

00:52:56.220 I don't know.

00:52:56.720 It was in her head.

00:52:58.120 But that's some of what's going to happen tonight.

00:53:00.580 For sure he's going to mention Doge, which has been very demonized and really is absolutely loathed by the left.

00:53:08.760 And I do mean loathed.

00:53:10.340 But they're getting clever on how they express their outrage.

00:53:14.700 They have formed the rapid response team, super PAC, protest group, George Soros-funded inorganic riot organization.

00:53:26.260 No, choir, my friends, choir.

00:53:30.220 And yes, then the choir is now showing up to the police.

00:53:35.200 A rapid response choir?

00:53:35.500 Yes, literally not making it up, where people are getting laid off like they went to NOAA on Monday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, where hundreds of workers had been laid off last week.

00:53:49.220 They wore pink vests, and they sang, my friends, here is a soundbite.

00:53:54.080 Yes, I did that for you.

00:53:56.740 Do you have joy?

00:53:58.420 Yes, people out there are going to try to tear you down, but the world outside can't take us down, and that's what this song is about.

00:54:07.900 This joy that I have, the world didn't give it to me.

00:54:14.880 The world didn't give it, the world can't take it away.

00:54:21.040 Strength.

00:54:22.520 No.

00:54:22.940 This strength that I have, the world can't give it to me.

00:54:29.140 Cut the mic, Phil.

00:54:30.200 I'll take it away.

00:54:37.400 Hands off our NOAA sign.

00:54:40.140 Can I try to take their joy away right now?

00:54:42.940 I love that these guys are like, you all just got fired.

00:54:45.760 Do you have joy? 0.99

00:54:47.120 No, I just got fucking fired. 0.99

00:54:48.620 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:54:50.140 I'm going to sing your job back.

00:54:52.300 It's like, no, please don't.

00:54:55.560 Lord.

00:54:56.040 Democrats are always trying to tell us that we have joy.

00:54:59.420 Remember the Democratic convention?

00:55:01.060 Like, wow, feel all the joy in this room?

00:55:04.020 We're joyful.

00:55:05.100 And they're always sending theater kids to fix the problem.

00:55:08.020 Exactly.

00:55:08.140 I just don't understand either one of those things.

00:55:09.900 Yes, we need more theater kids. 0.89

00:55:12.240 Well, this is, you're right.

00:55:13.160 It's like their instinct is to go to the theater kid thing.

00:55:15.660 And that will bring me to my next person I wanted to introduce you to, who is a TikToker. 1.00

00:55:21.820 She goes by the name of Antoinette Selly, C-E-L-Y.

00:55:27.880 And she's got 16,000 followers, and yet somehow we found her.

00:55:32.200 And she was very upset about what happened in the Oval last Friday with Zelensky.

00:55:37.140 And I mean really upset.

00:55:38.480 You think you're upset?

00:55:39.680 You should see what Antoinette did. 1.00

00:55:41.800 I'll show you.

00:55:42.340 Boy, what a day it's been.

00:55:46.240 And I am so exhausted.

00:55:47.880 If you notice, my hair is gone.

00:55:51.580 And I had to cut my nails.

00:55:55.220 Because today I did an updated transformation into President Zelensky.

00:56:04.740 I stayed in the makeup for hours.

00:56:07.780 And I watched the Oscars and had dinner in the makeup.

00:56:11.440 Oh, Antoinette. 0.99

00:56:14.060 What?

00:56:14.640 No, I'm not going to leave it there.

00:56:16.160 Of course, I'm going to show you what happened.

00:56:17.500 The music.

00:56:18.280 The music at the back was fantastic.

00:56:20.020 The little piano thing.

00:56:20.940 You're almost as good as the Rapid Response Choir music.

00:56:27.380 Here is the first part of her transformation into Volodymyr Zelensky.

00:56:33.760 Don't do it.

00:56:34.260 Oh.

00:56:35.660 No. 0.96

00:56:38.000 Oh, shoot.

00:56:41.440 To the listening audience, it's really happening.

00:56:47.540 I mean, Antoinette's doing a good job. 0.98

00:56:49.140 She's putting black eyeliner inside her nostrils now. 0.91

00:56:51.680 To make her nostrils bigger. 1.00

00:56:53.560 She already looks like a man. 1.00

00:56:56.060 Dark eyebrows.

00:56:57.880 Like a man.

00:56:59.040 Man hair.

00:56:59.900 Zelensky hair.

00:57:02.220 Oh, my gosh.

00:57:03.060 Oh, no.

00:57:03.340 She put on a beard and a mustache.

00:57:07.040 Oh, God.

00:57:07.580 She's like Stalin. 0.73

00:57:09.240 Don't unbutton anything.

00:57:12.320 Don't unbutton anything.

00:57:13.580 I heard that to let you feel.

00:57:15.380 She took off her little shirt.

00:57:17.360 She's winking at us.

00:57:18.800 Wow.

00:57:19.040 My God.

00:57:19.820 She dressed up as Joseph Stalin.

00:57:22.740 Megan, you either need to pay your producers like five times.

00:57:27.300 Does hazard pay?

00:57:28.420 Or fire them all.

00:57:29.500 I'm not sure which. 0.97

00:57:30.140 Or fire yourself.

00:57:31.540 I guarantee you, if you showed that to Zelensky, you'd be like, you know what?

00:57:35.360 We'll give it to Russia. 1.00

00:57:36.700 I don't want to be associated with these people.

00:57:40.700 It's fine.

00:57:41.880 Holy cow. 0.89

00:57:42.460 It's going to drive Trump's approval.

00:57:43.740 Numbers right up there.

00:57:45.360 I was upset by it, too.

00:57:48.500 But I never for one second thought about trying to make myself look like Zelensky and then film it for 16,000 poor unfortunate people.

00:57:58.220 That is really-

00:57:59.640 To a soundtrack.

00:58:00.440 To a soundtrack.

00:58:01.140 I got to say, though, she kind of looks like Zelensky until she takes it there.

00:58:06.540 She looks like Zelensky and then she takes it too far and looks like the guy who changes my brake fluid.

00:58:13.560 She looks like an Albanian gangster at the end of that. 0.99

00:58:16.940 It's so amazing.

00:58:18.180 Like, why are they doing this?

00:58:19.340 The Rapid Response Choir, founded February 2025, they have songs like The Little Light of Mine.

00:58:29.020 Okay, we know that one.

00:58:30.960 All You Fascists Bound to Lose and Doge is to Blame.

00:58:37.080 Well, OPM says you can sign up and pledge to retire and just walk away from job security into uncertainty with no guarantee.

00:58:45.160 That's what Elon calls efficiency.

00:58:48.020 Doge, Doge is to Blame for this mess that they cannot contain.

00:58:51.760 Under cover of night, they've tried to take all our rights, but we won't back down.

00:58:56.540 Not without a fight.

00:58:58.040 And then there's joy in resistance.

00:59:00.020 Of course, continuing the theme.

00:59:02.240 So, I mean, back to where we started.

00:59:05.060 We've got possibly some pink pee hats tonight. 0.90

00:59:08.020 Maybe some wearing of the white, an occasional guest who was a fired federal worker, the resistance choir.

00:59:17.580 I mean, who they should bring in is Lech Walesa.

00:59:20.500 They should bring in Lech Walesa, who sent, you know, the solidarity anti-communist hero,

00:59:25.800 who, with a bunch of other dissonants from Poland, sent a really sharply worded letter to Donald Trump the other day,

00:59:32.520 making the impassioned case that you shouldn't abandon someone who's been invaded by Russia.

00:59:37.780 That's a serious response.

00:59:40.020 Darkening your nostrils is not a serious response.

00:59:43.580 I mean, she ended up looking like Lech Walesa, to be honest.

00:59:46.740 That's true.

00:59:47.920 Like modern Lech Walesa. 0.55

00:59:49.040 I have to say, like, you put that black stuff on your nostrils. 0.99

00:59:52.060 Man, oh, man.

00:59:53.280 Like, that was truly transformational.

00:59:55.340 I mean, good tip, Annette.

00:59:56.140 I mean, you learn things from TikTok, Megan.

00:59:58.200 I mean, that's what it's for makeup tutorials.

01:00:01.000 You learn quite a bit.

01:00:01.680 You also learn a lot if you watch MSNBC.

01:00:05.140 I don't know if you're aware.

01:00:06.260 But their reaction, you're not going to be able to believe this, to the Friday Oval Office situation,

01:00:14.560 was to claim that Trump is weirdly and problematically tied to Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.

01:00:20.960 I'll give you just a little taste of Rachel Maddow's monologue on it last night.

01:00:25.660 Imagine if a foreign adversary, imagine if the Putin government somehow could just do a thought experiment.

01:00:36.460 Imagine they could somehow exert control or influence over the government of the United States.

01:00:44.620 What do you think the Putin government would have the U.S. government do if he could control it?

01:00:50.960 What kind of headlines would you expect to see about the operations of our government under that kind of a scenario?

01:00:57.280 And what would you expect the news out of the Oval Office and the White House to look like on a day like today?

01:01:06.780 Ugh, her fake drama.

01:01:09.140 Serious tone.

01:01:10.140 Very serious tone.

01:01:12.600 I want to say that it's an amazing thing because I am weirdly probably on Rachel Maddow's side on this one when it comes to I didn't like how it was handled.

01:01:25.020 We talked about it in our podcast.

01:01:26.260 I think Zelensky probably shouldn't have been baited in that way and actually said he expressed regret today because of the situation that that resulted in.

01:01:36.520 But I absolutely would never say and you didn't hear us say in the two hour podcast that we did about this at any point that this was a result of some conspiratorial Donald Trump is under the control of the FSB.

01:01:52.360 This stuff has been debunked time and again and this is the reason that despite the fact they're in opposition and as Megan you know this very well is that when you're in opposition network and opposition magazine newspaper whatever you tend to have circulation and viewership numbers that go through the roof.

01:02:08.880 When you're in opposition there's have cratered and the reason is is that people might not like this you know people might not support the way Donald Trump handled this and J.D.

01:02:19.160 Vance handled this but I don't think that the the instinct is to say they are under the control of the Kremlin.

01:02:25.540 I don't that's not why and it's actually a pretty embarrassing and juvenile way of thinking of it at this point after it's been thoroughly researched and debunked but there are other reasons that people can make in my opinion a desperately wrong call vis-a-vis Ukraine.

01:02:46.100 And I don't think it the only explanation for that is the man must be either a fascist or a Russian stooge that is she can't let it go it's like it would you delude yourself with a conspiracy theory like most conspiracy theorists you cannot let it go you know you even when it's been totally disproven you just still hold on you're like but I know better than all these other people.

01:03:07.860 And so with every new news story she's looking for proof of the lies that she told us for four years I will say this we talked about it yesterday Mark Halperin conducted a poll with an independent pollster named WIC and they showed that the reaction to that exchange was overwhelmingly in Trump's favor among American voters.

01:03:31.920 So they they actually thought Trump handled himself very well and some 62 percent said they found Zelensky's behavior offensive.

01:03:40.460 And then there's this on Trump's overall policy with Ukraine where it's going to be painful it's not going to be settled on terms anybody who feels bad for Ukraine is going to like but it is going to stop the killing at least for now. 0.75

01:03:54.080 Here's Harry Enten over on CNN talking about how Trump's doing with the populace on this it's not for.

01:03:58.840 So I think the easiest way we can kind of just ask this is do Americans like the way that Trump's handling his job and compared to how they felt about Joe Biden so this is the net approval rating you look at Joe Biden back in 2024 he was 22 points underwater holy cow you look at Donald Trump it's just a different planet entirely I mean the gulf between these two is wider than the Gulf of America or Mexico depending on which side of the aisle you stand on he's at plus two.

01:04:23.460 And so on this simple question I think Americans are saying okay Donald Trump's doing all right on this.

01:04:29.680 You know I just I'll just give you one more where he's talking about what Americans want now versus what they wanted in 22.

01:04:35.520 It's not five.

01:04:37.420 Because that want a quick end of the war look at this you go back to August of 2022 it was at 31 percent now we're at 50 percent.

01:04:44.800 I mean that is a rocket ship upwards in terms of the Americans who want a quick end to the war even if it means Russia keeps the captured Ukraine land.

01:04:52.740 One of the reasons why we're seeing this as Americans who say Russia is an enemy you go back to 2023 it was 64 percent and that CBS News YouGov poll it was down to 34 percent.

01:05:03.320 Now there is a chunk that believes that Russia is an unfriendly nation but the percentage who believe that they're either an ally or friendly that's up to 34 percent as well.

01:05:10.600 Basically equal to the percentage who say that they're an enemy.

01:05:14.340 Wow go ahead Matt.

01:05:15.840 I just want to say that our friend Harry Enten he's really undergone a change since the election his New York accent is a lot more pronounced now.

01:05:23.540 Suddenly it's just out of bruising like crazy.

01:05:28.240 This opinion change has been going for a while Americans had an instinctive and I think correct at least that I share with desire to support Ukraine.

01:05:38.080 In the wake of them getting invaded unprovoked by Russia which was Vladimir Putin's fault and not as Donald Trump has suggested on various times Zelensky's fault and other people have suggested that to Elon Musk and other people have blamed Zelensky for this.

01:05:51.220 So I think it's shameful and it becomes a conspiracy theory of its own on the right that we're seeing playing out here and there.

01:05:58.180 But so what happens if the U.S. United States public preferably through their congressional representatives decide that it's time to stop supporting Ukraine or at least just say hey look we gave you a lot of money for a lot of time but now we don't see a path to victory.

01:06:13.500 We feel like we're throwing a lot of money and also this should be a European led initiative to begin with which is something that I agree with that latter bit for sure should have been that three years ago should have been that 30 years ago.

01:06:26.460 Okay so what does what should an administration do with that set of information.

01:06:31.180 I think there's an honorable way to go to them and say hey look this is going to wind down.

01:06:35.260 If you want someone else to be your chief sponsor go with God but we we don't see a path to victory we're not going to give you that money.

01:06:43.180 But that's not what the Trump administration has done and it remains to be seen sure if there's going to be a conflict with a foreign leader and getting all talky and barky in the White House Americans are going to support the president and the president is you know lighting something on fire being completely bizarre.

01:06:57.580 We are patriotic people and we rally behind our own.

01:07:00.040 But what should the honorable thing to do it should be sort of like we are stepping back now from this role.

01:07:06.740 We don't want to say who's going to you know we're not going to dictate terms to people but Trump is not satisfied with that.

01:07:13.200 He wants to end the war and he wants to be seen as the one who ended the war and so now we're going from basically leaning very hard on the Ukraine side to starting to lean a little bit on the Russia side.

01:07:24.060 And that is a less honorable path and I don't know if Americans who are tired and growing increasingly weary of this war are going to like that particular part of the side switching.

01:07:36.700 We want to be seen as Americans generally want to be seen as having a moral stance in the world.

01:07:42.480 Being on Russia's side even if it's a realistic response which is how J.D. Vance and Donald Trump position this like hey look we're the only ones who are acknowledging the reality that Ukraine can't win so now what. 0.56

01:07:54.880 And I get that that's an argument.

01:07:56.900 What's not an argument is to single out Zelensky as the dictator in the exchange between these two countries.

01:08:02.880 So we'll see how popular that is among Americans.

01:08:04.960 I think it's an open question.

01:08:06.380 That was a tweet or a post a true social post but he didn't say that to his face and I will I encourage you and you are busy guys who have a lot going on but you should go back and take a look at the video we did yesterday.

01:08:17.020 It's it's on our YouTube feed right now where we went through every one of the moments leading up to the big moment where things really melted down between them.

01:08:24.680 And we showed how Zelensky was antagonizing Trump with the eye rolls and the size and interrupting him and correcting him over and over and over and Trump took it he took it he took it he took it he was he was taking the high road guys but Trump is Trump and the American people elected him knowing who he is this is not a way to get on his good side.

01:08:51.060 He should have been flattered he definitely shouldn't have not have been antagonized and where did Trump not forget JD where did Trump lose it Trump lost it when Zelensky said the danger may be coming to you.

01:09:02.300 And that's when he came in and was like you're not going to talk that way in the Oval Office to the American people now now I'm done now it's over I don't blame Trump at all for his behavior in the Oval and JD it didn't get mad or really interjected at all until he'd seen all that behavior by Zelensky the stuff I'm talking about go back and look at the video.

01:09:19.460 And then he was called by his first name in what was obviously a disrespectful moment that's I said this yesterday it's one thing world leaders don't usually call each other by their first names but they'll occasionally do it in a moment of levity or warmth you know we're like whatever Trump might say like BB and I go go way back or we had a moment back when we were having lunch you know.

01:09:42.640 But where it's tense and you're in the middle of this escalating thing where the guy's eye rolling at you and by the way he has said very very critical things about JD prior to this day and vice versa so they don't like each other and then you lean over and in front of the press you're like you refer to him as JD what are you talking about JD explain yourself.

01:10:01.380 And so JD gave him shot back it wasn't a nasty answer but there was a tone to it that showed things were starting to go down and then the rest is history but anyway my point is simply I really don't think Trump behaved badly in that I think he was antagonized over and over and over and to the extent that Donald Trump's capable of taking that kind of needling on the world stage in front of the American public he did it.

01:10:26.080 And then finally they pushed him too far when they started to threaten the safety of Americans and to me it was totally understandable.

01:10:33.100 I think on that point there's a language issue and a big language issue.

01:10:38.820 I mean Zelensky is a not a great English speaker and what he was trying to convey in that moment where Donald Trump lost it with him is that Trump had previously said you know I watched all 45 minutes of it had said the the ocean between us and that had come up two more times.

01:10:54.000 And Zelensky brings it up that last time that kind of sets Trump off and you know what I took him to be saying and this is a kind of a boring thing that people have said for years is he's trying to express that you know if we allow the Russians to do this though they'll be emboldened and that will come to other countries including America. 0.55

01:11:17.200 The notion won't protect you and I just I think that that was a more benign thing than maybe Trump read it and I've rewatched it a bunch of times and I keep every time I rewatch it I realize the clumsiness.

01:11:31.540 I mean you notice right afterwards he goes on Brett Baer show in about three or four pretty basic words he has to he has to consult with the translator offset who yells what the words are and he said okay okay and he and he continues his answer.

01:11:44.540 And it's just like it's a the reckless thing which I said previously on our podcast is that doing that in that situation in such a kind of hinge moment when your language skills are questionable and not 100 percent.

01:12:00.880 I mean anyone who speaks a foreign language understands that when you when you're not like a fluent speaker you're going to miss a lot of tone and intonation.

01:12:07.880 Right. And I think that that was a huge problem. I mean I think if if Zelensky grew up in Queens but happened to be the leader of Ukraine much like the leader of Estonia grew up in New Jersey in the past that it would have been a completely different exchange.

01:12:23.720 I mean judging those tones and everything it became quite difficult.

01:12:26.460 I think I think quickly that I think quickly Zelensky screwed up for his people.

01:12:32.300 He's eaten his words and I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump announces a signing of a minerals deal at the State of the Union address tonight.

01:12:40.560 So let's see screwed up but I don't think Trump took the high road in the run-up to the meeting.

01:12:44.900 There's a lot of diplomatic activity in the week 10 days there beforehand and and I don't think Zelensky was treated particularly nicely in that process.

01:12:53.100 He wasn't but it's it's you know it's the problem that Zelensky faced in the lead-up in the in the meeting still is there's I mean a total and utter power imbalance and it's like it's it's very annoying.

01:13:05.180 But one of the things he challenged Trump on was Trump keeps saying that we've spent 350 billion dollars on Ukraine.

01:13:10.840 I don't know where Trump's getting that number from.

01:13:12.500 I've tried to replicate that.

01:13:13.840 I cannot find what's in 350 billion or how he's getting there.

01:13:16.800 We got to 250 billion I could find that and then there's one source that says well, you've just limited to this particular kind of aid.

01:13:25.320 It's more like 115 billion, which would put the Europeans at 136 billion above us, but you'd have to limit our aid down to one particular thing and our aid has been vast and we've been doing military training and we've been doing you know sending munitions and so on.

01:13:37.380 So I think that if you look at our Pentagon, there's no question we've spent more than the Europeans and Zelensky was trying to say that we haven't and Trump handled it what he handled it.

01:13:48.480 He was like, no, not really.

01:13:50.180 Yes, they kind of agreed to disagree, but like it is true that we have done the lion's share.

01:13:55.780 The United States has done the lion's share in funding this war on behalf of Ukraine.

01:13:59.880 And where have we gotten to a stalemate to a place like I don't understand.

01:14:03.740 Like I look at it from the Rachel Maddow point of view and I or yours, Moynihan, since you say it's similar on this issue substantively.

01:14:12.760 What is it that Trump should be insisting on that he's not?

01:14:18.380 He, I think, accurately perceives the American people do not have the appetite for American boots on the ground to maintain security in Ukraine.

01:14:27.500 So he thinks the Europeans should do it, which makes a lot of sense because it is their backyard and Ukraine is part of Europe. 0.98

01:14:35.160 That makes perfect sense to me, but he didn't.

01:14:38.920 Well, today he pulled all eight because he's mad now.

01:14:41.460 And of course, it's working.

01:14:42.840 Zelensky is already coming back and you're probably right.

01:14:44.660 He'll sign that minerals deal and Trump will likely announce it tonight because Trump decided to play hardball.

01:14:50.120 But he said to Zelensky, here's what I will do.

01:14:53.320 I'll invest billions, hundreds of billions of dollars in your country.

01:14:56.320 Now I want something for it.

01:14:57.920 I would like some of these rare earth materials that we really need because Russia and Ukraine are rich with them and the United States is not.

01:15:05.020 And China is rich with them and we are not. 0.74

01:15:07.840 So that could help me and my people.

01:15:09.340 And it wouldn't be too terrible for you either because we'll give you all this money in exchange for it and we'll have this ongoing economic presence there and actual physical presence as we work with you to try to extract this stuff that will be a deterrent in other ways to Putin.

01:15:24.000 That's what Trump has proposed.

01:15:25.300 How is that so offensive?

01:15:27.800 Well, I don't think it's offensive.

01:15:28.840 I think that what Zelensky is, and again, I think that probably Sean Maddo and I have pretty substantive differences on this.

01:15:36.720 No, I know.

01:15:37.360 I'm on the Ukrainian side on this and I think that Putin and the gang in the Kremlin are horrible, monstrous dictatorship and is what it is. 0.86

01:15:47.700 They are actually a dictatorship.

01:15:48.960 But I will say this, that when it comes to what Zelensky was asking for, and he kept on interceding and saying this, and it's a frustrating thing for Ukrainians, is not getting a security guarantee because they've had security guarantees in the past.

01:16:03.600 I mean, they made a security guarantee by giving up their nuclear weapons after the Cold War that we give you, we give up our weapons and we have the protection that we need.

01:16:13.060 And none of that has come to bear.

01:16:16.560 I mean, you see that, he mentioned 2019.

01:16:18.720 But let me ask, okay, but let's have a back and forth on this.

01:16:20.680 So how does that look?

01:16:21.820 If Trump gave him that, and there was a moment in which Trump suggested he might be open-minded to it yesterday, but Zelensky didn't take the W, it just kept stepping over Trump.

01:16:30.420 But I don't, in general, I don't think Trump wants to give that.

01:16:33.460 But Biden, nor Obama, it's not on the table.

01:16:36.220 Nobody does, no, nobody does.

01:16:37.640 No, okay, so let's say we gave that.

01:16:40.100 No, it's not, and it shouldn't be.

01:16:41.760 I'm not sending my sons over there to go fight for Ukrainians if Vladimir Putin crosses that line.

01:16:45.940 Ukraine, hell no, or daughter. 0.91

01:16:49.180 And so that's what I'm talking about.

01:16:50.180 So if we sent troops over there to be the enforcers of this deal as the security for Ukraine, you know, security guarantees, then we're involved.

01:16:58.280 Then if Putin crosses the line again, it's a war between Russia and the United States.

01:17:02.380 Hell no.

01:17:03.960 We don't want that.

01:17:05.020 The country doesn't want that.

01:17:06.740 No, I don't want American soldiers over there either.

01:17:09.520 I don't think that's the only way of doing it.

01:17:11.020 I mean, Donald Trump, of course, he's saying that there is a way of doing that, that it would deter people.

01:17:16.280 It would deter people in the Kremlin if we had Americans working on the ground there, which I just don't believe because we had Americans working in Kiev when it was trying.

01:17:25.760 They were trying to surround it in 2000.

01:17:27.020 But if that brings me back, what is it he should be offering that will calm the other side down? 0.80

01:17:32.500 What do they want from Trump that he's not giving?

01:17:35.140 Well, there's no conversation about a number of things.

01:17:37.260 There's no conversation about the status of various Ukrainian cities that are under Russian occupation.

01:17:43.180 There's no conversation about the tens of thousands of children that have been stolen from Ukrainians.

01:17:49.500 I mean, this is not a controversial thing.

01:17:51.360 People understand that this happened.

01:17:53.020 I mean, those are two huge things.

01:17:55.180 I mean, if the argument is you give us minerals and then what?

01:17:59.680 What do we get for it?

01:18:00.900 There's no negotiation there.

01:18:02.400 It doesn't appear that there's much negotiation.

01:18:03.920 No, it's you give us minerals and we give you hundreds of billions in aid.

01:18:08.500 I mean, it's not we're not getting it for they're not giving it up for free.

01:18:12.580 Well, we don't know if that's I mean, there's the contours of that deal are unclear to anybody, both people involved and people like myself.

01:18:20.040 Well, that's reportedly what they're negotiating, that we will continue our ongoing economic investment in Ukraine in exchange for the minerals.

01:18:25.760 We want and by the way, all the monies that we've given so far, virtually every dollar is unsecured.

01:18:31.300 And Trump keeps saying with the Europeans, it was secured.

01:18:33.540 They got loans and we and we gave gifts.

01:18:36.460 And Zelensky denied that.

01:18:38.660 It is true.

01:18:39.540 That's another thing Trump saying.

01:18:40.700 That is true.

01:18:41.440 The Europeans got guarantees and we didn't. 0.50

01:18:43.600 So what Russians are going to get to keep and Trump seems to be telegraphing.

01:18:50.040 Look, they're probably going to keep what they've gotten like and no more.

01:18:53.180 You know, you kept them out of Kiev and that was great.

01:18:56.340 And there's not going to be further incursions.

01:18:58.100 But Trump, I mean, it seems to be.

01:18:59.720 Look, let's just leave it where it is.

01:19:01.160 It's gotten bad enough already.

01:19:02.600 Let's stop the bleeding.

01:19:04.740 Honestly, I think what Ukraine wants is to be part of the negotiations in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else.

01:19:09.180 They don't want to be where the Czechs were in the Munich agreement and where all of Eastern Europe was in 19. 0.92

01:19:16.720 I know I'm just with the one side and then he goes to the other side.

01:19:20.380 Like it's not like what they want.

01:19:22.060 I think this is that's what they're seeking.

01:19:23.760 And they want a security guarantee.

01:19:25.880 There's this sort of kabuki theater that goes like this.

01:19:28.600 Emmanuel Macron in France wants to be wants to lead a European only like a semi NATO.

01:19:35.360 They want to sort of detach.

01:19:36.240 This has been French goals in foreign policy since forever.

01:19:39.900 Cool. Right.

01:19:40.500 I like it.

01:19:40.980 You like it.

01:19:41.620 Everyone likes it.

01:19:42.560 And then look at the fine print of what he says when he's out and saying, my dear Donald at the White House last week.

01:19:47.900 He's saying we just want we want to do that.

01:19:50.580 And we're ready to even have our troops and boots on the ground, except, of course, not in combat areas.

01:19:56.520 So that's exactly right.

01:19:58.160 Some pretty French boots on the ground and now British boots, too.

01:20:01.240 But we just want the U.S. solidarity.

01:20:03.560 We want a U.S. backstop.

01:20:05.060 This is a French way of saying we want the U.S. to be the one doing the guarantees.

01:20:09.440 Europeans.

01:20:09.980 Germany, too. 0.99

01:20:11.680 Germany's the worst. 1.00

01:20:13.620 Friedrich Merz.

01:20:14.520 I mean, he's also talking about one of some of the strongest game right now.

01:20:17.080 We need to declare independence in the United States.

01:20:19.680 We need to create our own European security.

01:20:21.600 We need to spend five percent of GDP or whatever the number is.

01:20:25.360 This is an acceleration towards that.

01:20:27.700 Well, it might.

01:20:29.120 The Germans have not done it. 1.00

01:20:30.760 Of course not.

01:20:31.600 No, no, you've never you've never gotten rich betting on Europeans. 0.76

01:20:33.880 And then somebody was asking, well, what specifically what what specifically in terms of military will you give to Ukraine?

01:20:38.180 He was like, oh, well, you know, we'll see.

01:20:40.600 That's the problem.

01:20:41.480 Eighty percent or so of all of NATO actual warfighting capability is American.

01:20:46.400 The munitions, certainly the leadership.

01:20:48.500 And this is a really important part.

01:20:49.560 Like NATO has been able to Western European countries have been able to underfund NATO and benefit from their security without the burden of responsibility for NATO's decisions forever.

01:20:59.480 And so what Ukraine needs in order to survive, to make a ceasefire, something different than just like a five years to wait before Russia pulverizes you again, is for someone to secure their their future.

01:21:11.660 That someone should be Western Europe. 0.90

01:21:13.880 Western Europe says they want that to happen, but they actually so far lack the balls to actually do that. 0.75

01:21:20.320 So everyone's dancing around each other in these negotiations trying to get over that fact. 0.52

01:21:24.120 I think Donald Trump and I disagree with how he's done it and sort of the approach, I think he's accelerated towards that future, a future that needs to happen, which is that Western Europe has to put on its big boy pants.

01:21:35.480 So let me just say this.

01:21:36.900 So in the wake of that Friday Oval meeting, all the European leaders are talking tough.

01:21:41.040 You know, like, oh, we got your back.

01:21:42.440 Ukraine, we got your back.

01:21:43.460 We got your back.

01:21:44.060 Like, we'll do this. 0.96

01:21:45.360 They're they're all frauds.

01:21:47.160 They can't do it without us.

01:21:48.660 That's the reality, unless they dramatically change their spending habits and live up to military commitments they've made previously that they've been flouting for years.

01:21:56.200 So technically, I guess they can.

01:21:58.580 But nobody believes they actually will.

01:22:01.000 That's the problem. 0.78

01:22:01.660 So that now they want to rub Trump's face and oh, he's terrible.

01:22:04.340 He didn't stand by his ally.

01:22:05.800 Meanwhile, even The New York Times, their podcast yesterday was admitting they can't do it.

01:22:10.800 They need the United States so they can try to walk all over Donald Trump like, oh, what a cad he is. 0.97

01:22:16.400 He's terrible.

01:22:16.960 We'll just do it.

01:22:17.520 We'll do it without him.

01:22:18.240 But listen to The New York Times, The Daily, having this discussion.

01:22:21.920 It's Michael Barbaro, the host with Peter Baker, the White House correspondent for The New York Times.

01:22:28.400 Time and time again, Europeans have said, yeah, we're going to step up and take more of the burden from the United States without actually following through.

01:22:35.980 And they have risen to the occasion with Ukraine over these last three years.

01:22:39.740 They've actually donated more money for Ukraine's defense than the United States has.

01:22:43.640 You may have heard Trump say the opposite.

01:22:45.080 He's wrong about that.

01:22:46.120 But it's still a question whether they can do everything that Ukraine would need and would lose without American support.

01:22:54.400 And for Europe, it really is a moment of truth.

01:22:57.440 Right.

01:22:58.000 And it seems worth noting that UK's prime minister, even as he announced more money for Ukraine, said, we've got to be honest.

01:23:05.560 We still need a backstop from the U.S. 0.87

01:23:09.240 There's nothing approaching a true guarantee of Ukraine's safety unless the U.S. is involved.

01:23:15.580 That's right.

01:23:16.580 I mean, you know, they don't expect U.S. to put troops on the ground.

01:23:19.860 What they would like would be air support or logistical support or intel support and mainly just political and geopolitical support.

01:23:27.800 The idea that the United States is behind them on this and that Russia ought not to try anything because it would not just be aggravating Europe, aggravating the United States and taking a real chance there.

01:23:37.060 And it's not clear that Trump wants to do that.

01:23:40.620 So they can't do it without us.

01:23:43.000 They need to not keep aggravating President Trump.

01:23:46.260 President Trump, I think, probably would get around to, you know, intel support if that's where we are.

01:23:52.920 That's a much different commitment than we're going to send American military to Ukraine and be the first defense against Vladimir Putin, which puts us in a war if Putin gets hungry again.

01:24:04.820 He knows he can't do that.

01:24:06.280 I just think Trump is threading a very difficult to thread needle here and he needs people's support.

01:24:12.120 He's trying to bring an end to this impossible, near intractable conflict.

01:24:17.980 He needs Zelensky to not be a prick.

01:24:21.080 And I don't care if he doesn't like the way Trump's talking in the Oval. 0.51

01:24:24.960 He has no bargaining power, none, zero.

01:24:28.340 He is in a supplicant position and he needs to know that when he's over here dealing with our commander in chief to whom he owes and needs everything, from whom he needs everything.

01:24:40.940 And the Europeans, the same. 0.96

01:24:43.160 So you can act all high and mighty with a bunch of swagger, but there's only one real player here and it's us.

01:24:49.680 And that's why we are speaking to Putin and Trump is trying to speak nicely to Putin and not say the terrible things about Putin.

01:24:57.340 He understands all the things that you said, Matt.

01:24:59.880 He's trying to negotiate in the way that he knows how he it works for him.

01:25:04.600 If you compliment him, if you flatter him, he's trying to do exactly that with Putin because that in Trump's head is the price of getting a deal done. 0.76

01:25:14.600 It's air fucking relevant to the rest of us.

01:25:17.680 We should not be paying, getting upset or drawing conclusions from any of that language. 0.92

01:25:22.640 We should be looking at what Trump accomplishes.

01:25:25.080 But when dealing with Trump, you should know how to play him and that there's no excuse for Zelensky to have gone in there and to have been openly antagonistic, given the power imbalance and given what we know about Trump.

01:25:36.160 That's my own take on it.

01:25:37.140 I'll give you guys the last word.

01:25:38.720 I would just say briefly that I think there was obviously a miscalculation.

01:25:41.980 I would agree with that with respect to Zelensky's approach.

01:25:44.980 But another miscalculation might be that if this is diplomacy, if it is uniquely sensitive, even if Donald Trump wants to use the particular tactics he's most comfortable with, that he should be having most of these conversations in private, that he should be having his envoys conduct most of these conversations in person.

01:26:02.860 And that the fundamental issue with this meeting on Friday is that it was a room full of people with cameras.

01:26:08.960 Yes.

01:26:09.280 Like that should not have happened, even if they thought they were going to sign this deal.

01:26:13.460 And had they been able to do that, given the administration's stated objective of achieving a peace as quickly as possible, we would be far closer to that if this blow up had happened behind closed doors.

01:26:24.780 And the opportunity that I think J.D. Vance missed first and that Donald Trump eventually missed as well was to say, you know what?

01:26:32.220 Things are getting a little intense.

01:26:33.560 I understand why emotions are running high here.

01:26:35.460 I don't like some of the things that have been said, but we've got all afternoon to continue to talk about this.

01:26:39.120 We are going to get to the bottom of it.

01:26:40.920 That's what we do here.

01:26:42.220 Fix hard problems.

01:26:43.920 Meeting over.

01:26:44.720 Thanks, everybody, for coming.

01:26:45.680 We've got hard work to do.

01:26:46.960 That's what should have happened.

01:26:48.280 And that's the opportunity that I think J.D. and Donald missed.

01:26:51.560 Can we credit Zelensky with the first error of the day?

01:26:55.020 Yes.

01:26:55.720 Fine.

01:26:56.520 But in general, this should be happening behind closed doors, which has been happening subsequent to that Friday meeting.

01:27:03.400 But it was an unnecessary failure.

01:27:06.500 Like, why didn't they have the deal signed?

01:27:08.300 And why?

01:27:08.800 Like, I don't know why J.D. and these others were even in the room.

01:27:11.200 It should have been Zelensky shows up.

01:27:14.360 They signed the deal.

01:27:16.220 They have lunch.

01:27:17.820 Then they go out with a signed deal.

01:27:20.460 Just the two of them.

01:27:21.680 Now, I don't know why the vice president was there.

01:27:23.360 He normally wouldn't be there.

01:27:24.520 Just the two of them go out and talk to the press.

01:27:28.280 And Zelensky never should have negotiated pieces of part two that day.

01:27:33.080 It should have been purely celebratory.

01:27:34.820 That should have been very clear between both leaders.

01:27:36.980 We've signed this historic deal.

01:27:39.300 Yay! 0.99

01:27:39.540 The United States is doing super lots of stuff in Ukraine.

01:27:43.500 Hello, Vladimir Putin.

01:27:45.260 We're really good friends and we're going to prom together.

01:27:47.560 Like, that's that day.

01:27:49.300 Everything else gets tabled.

01:27:50.720 And then you have your arguments about security guarantees and how many times Putin has violated them behind closed doors leading up to phase two when you're trying to convince America to do more and be the backstop to the Europeans that everybody knows the Europeans need.

01:28:04.720 The Zelensky blew it and he tried to antagonize Trump over security guarantees, which is part two during the part one.

01:28:14.080 There were too many players in the room.

01:28:15.480 They hadn't signed the deal yet.

01:28:16.520 And he had been amped up by Democrats like Chris Murphy and Mark Kelly before he even got there, who I believe pushed that guy into the wrong headspace when he went into what was one of the most important meetings of his life.

01:28:28.940 OK, quick break back with the guys.

01:28:31.340 Wait, you want something else quickly before we go?

01:28:33.040 No, I was going to say just I was going to say, you know, it plays into the conspiracy theory when you said it's very abnormal for J.D. Vance to be there.

01:28:42.520 And they didn't sign that beforehand when Zelensky said, quite, quite frankly, that he was willing to sign it.

01:28:47.700 So I do understand those conspiracy theories that he was baited into it in some way because it's just the chronology of it is kind of strange.

01:28:55.260 But that's all I want to say.

01:28:56.020 I just don't believe it because I believe much more that Trump like the conspiracy theory is that the deal was like falling apart and it wasn't favorable to Trump and Trump couldn't get Putin to agree to it.

01:29:05.440 Like, I.E. having European security forces patrol Ukraine and so that Trump did something to tank the deal in that Oval Office meeting so that it didn't look like his dealmaking skills were bad.

01:29:16.380 It, you know, it made it look like, oh, Zelensky's a hothead, you know, fell apart.

01:29:20.040 That doesn't sound right to me because Trump is not shy about owning up to any reality, good or bad.

01:29:27.220 He like he'll spin it.

01:29:29.460 He'll spin all of it, of course.

01:29:30.840 But when have you ever seen him so scared about a nasty political reality that he does something like that?

01:29:37.300 That's not that's conspiracy theory talk.

01:29:40.680 This president is much more.

01:29:42.800 Jody Vance himself, who has always had a very, very negative idea of Zelensky and the war in Ukraine, where Trump has been a little more kind of, you know, not on one side or another, more willing to kind of negotiate a deal.

01:29:56.080 I mean, the entire thing that he says is that, you know, until until you say we can promise peace, until you want to work towards peace, I cannot give you the weapons of war.

01:30:07.260 I mean, that is and as you pointed out, Megan, I mean, that is part of that deal is that we will give you the weapons of war if you promise peace.

01:30:13.460 I don't think that that's something that J.D. Vance has ever wanted at all.

01:30:17.220 So, I mean, that strikes me as more plausible, less plausible that it was Trump, you know, in some kind of nine.

01:30:22.920 I hear you. And there's no question J.D. is not a Zelensky fan or a fan of this, you know, of Ukraine.

01:30:28.400 But I also just think it's much more consistent with Trump to have wanted the win and to have wanted to run around being like, I got the minerals deal.

01:30:37.240 And that loser who was there before me got nothing.

01:30:40.220 He got us further and further entrenched in this thing. 0.95

01:30:42.700 And I got us the minerals deal, which, you know, Trump is all about that.

01:30:45.760 Like, we're about to annex Greenland because he wants minerals.

01:30:49.420 He wants like this is important to Trump.

01:30:52.640 So I isn't the mineral.

01:30:54.060 Isn't it a better thing if he announces it tonight and says, not only did I get the deal, but I played hardball.

01:30:59.520 You saw it on television.

01:31:00.800 That's how I negotiate.

01:31:02.300 Yeah, he wouldn't have done that whole that.

01:31:04.340 I just don't think that he would have blown it up or Trump would have done anything like you're saying J.D.

01:31:10.020 Vance intentionally blew it up so that Trump could then spend the weekend renegotiating and announce it tonight.

01:31:15.160 I don't think there's a chain of events there.

01:31:17.300 I just think that right now Donald Trump is probably, you know, likely to say, yeah, I'll sign that deal.

01:31:23.640 Because not only is it the deal that they had worked out before and that he wanted and Zelensky agreed to.

01:31:28.340 But if you get it now.

01:31:28.840 Zelensky came back begging. 0.98

01:31:30.360 He came back begging.

01:31:31.420 He's been begging for three days.

01:31:32.720 That's what's going to make the deal before.

01:31:34.060 If you get it now, you come back and say, look at the negotiation.

01:31:37.600 I played such hardball with them that they came groveling back.

01:31:40.640 That's no better than I got it signed on Friday with no problem.

01:31:44.040 Look at me.

01:31:44.540 It was easy for me.

01:31:45.780 It's a little better.

01:31:45.980 I think it's a little better.

01:31:47.200 I got to go.

01:31:47.680 I mean, I'm not going, going, but I have to take a break.

01:31:49.440 Okay, we'll be right back.

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01:34:48.780 So, bit by bit, some distance out from the November election and the debacle of the June debate with Biden and Trump, truth bombs are starting to emerge here, there, and everywhere.

01:35:06.880 And you mentioned one earlier in the show.

01:35:09.120 Chuck Todd sat down with Steve Schmidt of the Lincoln Project and listened to this.

01:35:16.500 You know, Joe Biden never should have been there in the first place, right?

01:35:20.500 Number one, he shouldn't have run for president.

01:35:22.120 I completely got so angry at Joe Biden, the man, when I read the transcript of the Hunter Biden trial.

01:35:30.360 And when I realized that not one, not two, but three Biden children were all dealing with drug problems in 2018.

01:35:42.340 And Joe Biden said, now's a perfect time to run for president.

01:35:46.500 Because who cares about our family?

01:35:48.400 I have to tell you something about Joe Biden.

01:35:50.260 There's this mythology about Joe Biden that the man cared so much. 1.00

01:35:55.680 It's all bullshit. 0.99

01:35:56.840 This man supposedly cared so much about his family. 1.00

01:35:59.120 It created a myth, and he did it for 50, 40 years.

01:36:02.740 God bless him, that he was this incredible family man. 0.93

01:36:05.640 What he really was, was a craven political animal.

01:36:08.340 That never, it was desperate.

01:36:11.020 The man considered or ran for president every four years he was eligible.

01:36:15.380 You know?

01:36:17.580 Unbelievable.

01:36:18.900 Pretty interesting, right guys?

01:36:20.760 Didn't all four of us talk about this exact thing in similar, maybe not quite as harsh as Chuck Todd's words on this for several years?

01:36:29.380 For several questions.

01:36:30.120 Seriously, like your family's falling apart and you're running as family man.

01:36:34.300 What the hell are you doing? 0.93

01:36:36.920 It's crazy to see this.

01:36:38.440 I'm reminded earlier, you mentioned how it was in March or April of last year when there was the fundraiser that Joe Biden went to Radio City Music Hall instead of the funeral of the cop.

01:36:50.440 We were on your show that morning, and we talked about that.

01:36:53.120 I remember that.

01:36:54.180 That happened in March or April of last year.

01:36:56.820 And when did George Clooney come out and say, wow, Biden's memory sure was going.

01:37:02.040 Yeah.

01:37:02.380 Four months later.

01:37:03.220 July.

01:37:04.560 Four months later.

01:37:05.860 So Chuck Todd, dude, welcome to the whatever this is.

01:37:09.720 But like that stuff about Joe Biden being a family man guy for 50 years and it being a bunch of horse pucky and people knowing that it's horse pucky and that his family is an absolute catastrophe.

01:37:21.760 What part of that is new?

01:37:23.020 I just don't know.

01:37:23.780 No, no.

01:37:24.020 Well, what part of that is new is that him talking about it.

01:37:27.160 If you want an example, like, by the way, nobody looks at this stuff as like, oh, he knew it.

01:37:32.400 But this is bravery.

01:37:33.400 It undermines people's confidence in the mainstream media that doesn't need any more undermining.

01:37:38.480 I mean, the opinion polls are like 18 percent below Congress that people believe in mainstream media.

01:37:43.800 And this is somebody saying, I knew this for a long time.

01:37:46.480 I thought this for a long time.

01:37:47.700 And I decided to not make it public.

01:37:50.260 I decided not to talk about it.

01:37:51.760 Why not?

01:37:52.620 Because you were a straight newsman?

01:37:54.300 No.

01:37:54.800 You were talking about other things.

01:37:56.060 I guarantee you, if you go and look at what Chuck Todd said for the past eight years, you're definitely going to find some things that are sharp elbowed and that have opinions.

01:38:04.060 But that opinion was left out.

01:38:06.540 What do you think that people, when they see that, they're like, yeah, there is a kind of conspiracy in the media of silence because they don't like Donald Trump.

01:38:14.900 They don't want him to win.

01:38:15.900 So therefore, let's thumb the scales for this guy. 0.89

01:38:18.480 It's kind of gross.

01:38:20.340 Here's just a little bit more.

01:38:21.600 Steve Schmidt weighing in on whether he'd trust Hunter Biden or the Trump children more to babysit his own children.

01:38:31.460 I don't leave the kids with someone.

01:38:33.300 And my choices are Hunter Biden or Ashley Biden or Don Jr.

01:38:42.640 And Eric and Laura Trump.

01:38:45.260 Like, I'm dropping the kids off at Don and Eric and Laura's house.

01:38:52.300 How about that?

01:38:54.040 The Lincoln Project, guys.

01:38:55.860 Honestly, like, is anybody sincere about anything?

01:39:02.300 Yeah.

01:39:03.100 I mean, this is a guy that literally said that he saw the Lincoln Project as generational wealth.

01:39:08.640 What is it required to have generational wealth is to, you know, be fighting Donald Trump all the time.

01:39:13.240 Did he get fired?

01:39:14.240 Because now he's calling it a grift.

01:39:15.800 Did he get fired?

01:39:16.260 Yeah, well, it was a grift when he was there.

01:39:18.000 And I think that he left under under a cloud.

01:39:20.800 But, you know, it's amazing that this is the same person that that was talking about how he's going to get wealthy from being being the anti-Trump man.

01:39:30.740 You can't trust anybody, anybody other than Mark Zuckerberg, that is, who decided to put it all out there, guys.

01:39:37.440 And the minute we have left, here he is at his wife's 40th birthday party.

01:39:41.900 Watch.

01:39:46.260 He's imitating Benson Boone wearing a jumpsuit.

01:39:57.280 I mean, he brought it, guys.

01:39:59.180 Admire or judge?

01:40:01.960 I love it.

01:40:03.300 I love it.

01:40:03.940 I love him living his best life.

01:40:05.480 I don't love the shoes.

01:40:06.780 That is the principal objection.

01:40:08.460 The shoes and the pants could have been a bit better fitted.

01:40:11.060 Little shoe short.

01:40:11.700 Well, Camilo, the pants were fitted just right, because then you realize that he doesn't bring it.

01:40:19.260 Oh.

01:40:20.060 Maybe put it on full screen?

01:40:22.320 No.

01:40:23.040 I don't bring it.

01:40:23.620 That's fine.

01:40:24.540 We're okay.

01:40:24.940 A lot of money.

01:40:26.240 One problem he can't solve.

01:40:28.180 Oh.

01:40:28.380 What you're saying is stick a sock in it.

01:40:31.920 Stick a sock in it.

01:40:32.400 Yeah, maybe.

01:40:33.280 Maybe.

01:40:33.780 Yeah.

01:40:34.100 You get a lot of cash.

01:40:35.440 Maybe buy a very fancy sock and put it in there.

01:40:38.480 He's unashamed.

01:40:39.580 Size large.

01:40:40.100 Leave him alone.

01:40:40.620 Got it.

01:40:42.440 It's always a pleasure, guys.

01:40:43.840 We had to end it on an R-rated note, naturally.

01:40:45.940 That's our thing.

01:40:46.680 Of course.

01:40:47.080 Thank you for being here.

01:40:49.180 That's right.

01:40:49.780 All right.

01:40:50.640 We are back tomorrow with Rich Lowry and Mark Halfren.

01:40:53.620 Don't miss that.

01:40:56.340 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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01:41:10.620 Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 04, 2025

Absurd New Resistance Efforts for Trump Address, and Dems Vote Against Protecting Women's Sports, with the Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1018

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