The Megyn Kelly Show - Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:16.060 They're still on freaking signal gate everywhere. We just like move on.

00:00:22.420 It's not going away. The Democrats are so excited they've got something juicy that makes the Trump administration look bad to talk about.

00:00:29.440 And for some reason, the Trump administration does keep talking about it, which I like.

00:00:34.240 Just stop. This is pointless. You have so many good things you can talk about that don't involve this egg on the face situation.

00:00:42.420 But they all are, so we will, too, to some extent.

00:00:46.600 Way more delicious is what happened on the Hill yesterday with NPR and PBS.

00:00:51.940 My God, if you listen to the AM update this morning, that's our new morning show with just the news headlines, which I think you'll like.

00:00:59.440 And my friend Donna, you know, she listens to the show every day.

00:01:02.900 My closest friend from law school, she says, you're starting to get spicier.

00:01:06.480 Your personality is starting to come through more.

00:01:08.460 First off, we started out Walter Cronkite-like with our delivery.

00:01:12.000 Now we're getting a little looser.

00:01:14.220 In any event, I think you'll like it.

00:01:15.340 We talked about some of the soundbites.

00:01:16.840 We played some of the soundbites.

00:01:17.900 And, oh, my God, we have so many more.

00:01:19.880 It was so fun.

00:01:21.500 It's wonderful to see these left-wing hacks get called out explicitly for their left-wing hackism.

00:01:28.160 And we'll do more of that here.

00:01:29.840 Plus, it's March Madness, which means it's hack madness, too.

00:01:34.020 Speaking of hacks, it's hack madness.

00:01:35.800 What do I mean?

00:01:36.900 Well, what media hacks are performing well in their ruthless brackets?

00:01:42.240 There's only one group of fellas that have the answer to that, and they are Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and Comfortably Smug, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast or Variety program.

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00:03:11.180 Great to see you guys.

00:03:12.640 Great to see you, Megan.

00:03:13.860 Thanks for having us.

00:03:14.260 I love, love, love the NPR story so much, and I hate, hate, hate the signal story.

00:03:21.540 Not because it makes the Trump administration look bad.

00:03:23.700 I'm happy to talk about stuff that makes the Trump administration look bad.

00:03:25.460 I don't care.

00:03:26.040 It's like I'm obviously a Trump supporter.

00:03:28.900 Still, the news is the news.

00:03:30.340 But this one's just so pointless.

00:03:33.600 No one's saying anything new.

00:03:35.260 We're going back and forth arguing about whether it was war plans or attack plans.

00:03:39.600 And, like, is Mike Walsh more culpable because he appears to have added Jeffrey Goldberg to the thread?

00:03:45.460 Or is it Pete Hegseth who, you know, released?

00:03:48.640 Was it classified information or is it not classified?

00:03:51.260 Because as defense secretary, he's declassifying it by sharing.

00:03:54.960 Like, I don't care.

00:03:57.120 The Houthis are dead, which would really have.

00:03:59.920 Like, the average person is like, dead Houthis.

00:04:02.540 Cool.

00:04:03.460 And probably should take it off signal for the next one and get rid of the nasty reporter.

00:04:08.840 Like, don't you think that's how most normal people are reacting to this?

00:04:12.940 A hundred percent.

00:04:14.100 No question about it.

00:04:14.800 I mean, we did our entire show basically on this today.

00:04:17.700 And, look, the upshot of this thing is that every administration makes some kind of mistake.

00:04:23.340 The previous administration, their mistake cost 13 Marines their lives.

00:04:27.900 This administration added a reporter to a text chain.

00:04:30.940 And then happened to run a flawless mission against the Houthis, which was a 17-month-in-the-making problem where they had 175 separate attacks on U.S. Navy personnel while the Biden administration did absolutely nothing.

00:04:48.320 Donald Trump's in office all of eight weeks.

00:04:50.420 Boom.

00:04:50.800 Taken care of.

00:04:51.540 Suez Canal reopened.

00:04:53.200 An Iran-funded terror operation destroyed.

00:04:57.440 Okay.

00:04:58.000 You know, like, in the matter of scandal, where does this rank?

00:05:01.980 I mean, for me, overwhelming success.

00:05:05.200 Now, granted, they shouldn't have any sort of external communication with the heads of national security apparatus that includes a reporter.

00:05:12.520 They know that.

00:05:13.140 They acknowledge as much literally the day afterwards.

00:05:15.100 They clearly did not mean it.

00:05:16.560 They did not include it.

00:05:18.140 Right.

00:05:18.460 And the president, in fact, took it straight on.

00:05:21.760 He said, here's the way that I would prefer we handle this.

00:05:24.500 And he talked about the lead ceilings and lead walls basically describing the situation room.

00:05:29.640 And that should make perfectly clear to anybody going forward the way the president sees this.

00:05:35.420 It was a screw up.

00:05:36.680 He's standing by his people because, oh, by the way, they executed a perfect mission, which was the whole point of this.

00:05:42.460 And, by the way, an afterthought in the media.

00:05:45.080 Yeah.

00:05:45.280 But ultimately, yeah, I mean, that's why you stand by your national security, folks.

00:05:50.200 Clearly a screw up, but we'll do things differently and move on.

00:05:53.140 The story's done, as far as I'm concerned.

00:05:55.600 Yeah, right?

00:05:56.640 It's like they want to scalp.

00:05:59.580 And, you know, yesterday, with all due respect to Dave Portnoy, they actually raised Dave Portnoy's name at the White House press briefing.

00:06:07.740 Some reporter was like, well, Dave Portnoy, even Dave Portnoy was laughing about the fact that they took his commentary and elevated it to the presidential level.

00:06:15.920 Like, well, what do you have to I mean, Dave Portnoy is calling for someone to get fired.

00:06:19.540 He wants Mike Walls to be fired.

00:06:21.080 What do you like?

00:06:21.960 What what are we doing with if Dave Portnoy tells me not to go to a certain place for pizza?

00:06:28.740 I'm very interested.

00:06:29.800 If he has something interesting to say about sports, about which I know nothing, I'm interested.

00:06:35.360 His social commentary is fun.

00:06:37.380 But whether someone needs to get fired over Signalgate, I'm out.

00:06:41.460 And I certainly would never be so dumb as to raise that with the White House, which I think Portnoy agrees with me on.

00:06:49.240 Yeah.

00:06:49.680 I mean, I think that pretty much gives away the whole game of what is exactly happening right now with our media.

00:06:54.960 You've got the establishment media that's in that White House briefing room, and they're concerned with Dave Portnoy's thoughts on what happened here.

00:07:04.300 Only because it runs against Trump.

00:07:05.500 They don't care about actual news.

00:07:08.980 They don't care about what Americans got from that story, which is, oh, wow, terrorists got blown up.

00:07:13.700 Terrific.

00:07:14.500 They're trying to make this like some process, gossipy, juicy story when there's nothing there to discuss.

00:07:20.700 They're like, well, Dave Portnoy said this.

00:07:22.120 It's like maybe you're a little bit way too online here.

00:07:24.660 Like, you're using your time in the White House press briefing room to talk about Dave Portnoy's thoughts?

00:07:28.960 And Portnoy is a heck of a showman.

00:07:31.420 He's a heck of a showman, but he's no showman compared to Donald Trump.

00:07:35.220 And that's my recommendation in the Trump administration is like change the conversation.

00:07:38.800 You just you just arrested one of these top gang leaders of MS-13 in Virginia.

00:07:44.100 I don't bring them into the briefing room.

00:07:45.940 You know, we can dissect all of his tattoos.

00:07:48.200 We can ask Robert Costa.

00:07:49.700 Do you think this guy is a is a gang member of MS-13?

00:07:52.400 He has an MS-13.

00:07:53.960 What does Dave Portnoy think?

00:07:54.640 In calligraphy on his chest, you know?

00:07:57.360 Dave Portnoy, is this or is this not MS-13?

00:08:00.520 They're trying, but that won't do it because that's good news for the Trump administration

00:08:04.380 and the left wing media that's driving this story won't go along with it.

00:08:08.800 But what's been remarkable to me, because if you if you search like all the news sites and

00:08:12.300 obviously that's my job, they're all still on it, everyone, I mean, everything online,

00:08:19.020 all the print papers completely on SignalGate.

00:08:21.600 And so are all of the more establishment Republican media outlets, right?

00:08:27.940 Like the Wall Street Journal's all over it.

00:08:30.900 National Review's got like four pieces up on how somebody needs to get fired and how terrible this is.

00:08:35.880 I mean, they I love National Review, but they're really turning into never Trumpers like they're

00:08:40.520 starting to read much more like the dispatch and they should watch it.

00:08:44.500 I love those guys, but they need to rein that in a bit because it's all Trump bashing.

00:08:48.700 So but my takeaway is the people who wanted and it's in particular about Hegseth, Hegseth to have

00:08:57.840 nothing to do with the Pentagon and we're totally against his elevation to that post are the loudest

00:09:04.880 critics in this scandal.

00:09:06.980 They think there's blood in the water.

00:09:08.800 They're trying to change the conversation from Mike Walls to Pete Hegseth, even though

00:09:13.200 and I don't think either one should be fired.

00:09:14.780 But even though it was Mike Walls who added this Jeffrey Goldberg to the Atlanta, Pete

00:09:19.740 Hegseth didn't do that.

00:09:20.840 Pete Hegseth trusted the National Security Advisor that this was an appropriate place to

00:09:26.760 have this conversation and that he who had created the group Walls had screened everyone

00:09:31.040 appropriately.

00:09:32.640 That's that was Pete's sin, right?

00:09:34.500 And then had a frank conversation about the plans, as was obviously requested by Mike Walls

00:09:41.420 and the others who were on there, including the vice president.

00:09:43.340 But I really think it's all these people who hated Pete who will not let this die because

00:09:48.760 they think they can get a scalp.

00:09:50.540 And I'm here to tell you it's not gettable.

00:09:52.480 He's not getting fired.

00:09:53.320 You're going to have to cry harder.

00:09:56.100 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:09:57.460 Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right.

00:09:59.100 You look back at what did Joe Biden do when it comes to the Houthi terrorists?

00:10:02.480 He took them off the terrorist list.

00:10:04.380 What did Pete Hegseth do?

00:10:05.620 He killed them.

00:10:06.680 And so this is exactly what people voted for.

00:10:09.060 They wanted action out of this president's what Trump told people he was going to do.

00:10:12.740 He came in and he started acting.

00:10:15.380 And I mean, we talk about the mainstream media and you're saying that they don't want the

00:10:19.000 conversation to go away.

00:10:20.340 Well, the one guy who's going away is this top leader at MS-13.

00:10:23.900 Another action that the president has taken.

00:10:26.120 We talked about it a second ago.

00:10:27.540 But like this guy is acting every single day in a way that voters wanted.

00:10:33.220 And that's why his approval rating and the right track number that everybody follows is

00:10:37.900 so high.

00:10:38.520 I don't know if you saw this poll from Marist just this week.

00:10:41.440 It showed that the right track number is higher than it's been in 20 years.

00:10:46.860 And Democrats are scammed or scrambling.

00:10:49.720 And when you say Democrats, you have to include the mainstream media in that group of people.

00:10:54.780 They're also scrambling, trying to figure out what they can do to get out from under Trump's

00:10:59.940 popularity and just incredible start in these first two months.

00:11:03.740 I think it's also worth a little trip down memory lane when we're talking about the press

00:11:08.320 here.

00:11:08.620 And you're right.

00:11:09.880 They're trying to get a scalp, whether it's Peter Waltz or whatever they ask, incessantly

00:11:13.840 about whether or not one of them are going to get fired.

00:11:16.420 How many of those same journalists talked about Afghanistan withdrawal in the same way?

00:11:21.660 Who is going to get fired?

00:11:22.860 Of course, nobody got fired.

00:11:24.620 Right.

00:11:24.980 And it cost 13 Marines their lives.

00:11:27.420 But also the story was sort of a process story about, well, Trump wanted to get out of

00:11:32.940 Afghanistan, too.

00:11:33.800 Everybody wanted to do this thing and move on.

00:11:36.220 And you look at some of the Democrats like Chuck Schumer, we highlighted on our show.

00:11:39.720 He had exactly one thing on all of X over the last five years that contained the word

00:11:46.200 Afghanistan, where there was no call for an investigation.

00:11:49.860 There was no discussion about what went wrong.

00:11:52.540 He condemned terror.

00:11:54.080 Right.

00:11:54.300 Now he's saying that every single American's life is at risk because of an operation that

00:12:01.120 happened 10 days ago, which was a resounding success.

00:12:04.460 Like this doesn't, it strains credibility.

00:12:06.960 Yeah.

00:12:07.360 Yep.

00:12:07.900 A hundred percent.

00:12:08.660 And so now you've got Jeffrey Goldberg moving into saintly status of the Atlantic.

00:12:13.660 This complete left wing hack who has never seen Republican catnip that he hasn't sniffed

00:12:21.820 and rolled around in and peddled to his viewers as real, right?

00:12:25.740 From Russiagate to the fawning piece he did on Mark Milley for like holding the line against

00:12:33.900 this dictatorial Trump, the guy who was going to tell the Chinese if we were going to unleash

00:12:38.720 an attack on them, which by the way, no one was even planning only Mark Milley's head was

00:12:44.380 Trump going to go attack the Chinese.

00:12:46.440 We didn't attack the Chinese.

00:12:47.760 Trump didn't give the order to go attack the Chinese, but Mark Milley decided to take it

00:12:51.360 upon himself to in a treasonous communication, tell his counterpart in China, if we are going

00:12:57.080 to drop any bombs on you, I will give you the heads up, which is totally, I mean, insubordinate

00:13:02.400 is an understatement, but he's a patriot in the eyes of the Atlantic.

00:13:06.180 Okay.

00:13:06.520 So Jeffrey Goldberg goes out there like I'm the dignified one here.

00:13:12.180 Okay.

00:13:12.560 They added me cause I'm important.

00:13:14.560 Obviously I'm in everybody's phone, not mine.

00:13:16.820 Mike Wallace is even saying not in his.

00:13:18.920 No, I have to say in, to be honest, that sounds like bullshit to me.

00:13:22.500 He does.

00:13:23.180 I mean, I don't know how he'd get added from Mike Wallace's phone if he weren't in there

00:13:27.180 walls in a very awkward exchange with Laura Ingram seem to be trying to say, it'd be like

00:13:33.400 if I texted you something Holmes and said, um, Hey, you know, great having you on the

00:13:39.300 show today.

00:13:40.520 Doug, my husband wanted to send you something.

00:13:43.680 And like, I CC Doug on the communication, you know, like I added him in.

00:13:48.620 So you didn't have Doug in the community in, in your contacts, but like sometimes your phone

00:13:54.140 would recognize, Oh, this is Doug, right?

00:13:57.680 Like it might say in, at a future point, if you're searching for a Doug, it might pull

00:14:02.560 that up because there is some AI on your phone that does that for you.

00:14:05.780 He seemed to be suggesting Goldberg was part of a different conversation he had with somebody.

00:14:10.660 And that's somehow how I have no idea.

00:14:12.860 Okay.

00:14:13.180 Yeah.

00:14:13.460 Anyway, that's my main point, all these thoughts.

00:14:16.080 So Goldberg goes out there and he's like, I didn't, I didn't want to do any of it.

00:14:19.860 I'm so sad that they're making me do this, but I feel, you know, an obligation

00:14:23.840 to tell you how insecure, um, unsecure these comms are and that I had war plans.

00:14:30.960 And he went all over the news media on Tuesday saying, I'm not, I'm not going to release the

00:14:37.780 stuff they texted about the war plans because it's too incendiary.

00:14:41.480 It's really, it's going to compromise our military.

00:14:44.140 So that I won't do.

00:14:45.680 And here's a little bit of how he sounded on Tuesday.

00:14:47.900 Watch, saw two.

00:14:48.620 So the last thing I want is to see American lives endangered in any way.

00:14:54.800 Let me, which is why you didn't include it.

00:14:57.260 And Jeffrey, you rightly didn't publish, of course, the details of everything you saw

00:15:01.020 in that exchange.

00:15:01.880 So I don't expect you to repeat them here.

00:15:03.800 I don't want to go into details because I don't think it's responsible to operational

00:15:08.620 issues.

00:15:09.740 And as much as I enjoy national security investigative reporting, I don't, I don't need strike plans

00:15:16.540 two hours before a launch.

00:15:18.520 That's not, that should not be coming into my phone.

00:15:21.920 I mean, I take this stuff very, very seriously.

00:15:23.920 White House press secretary has said, you're lying.

00:15:26.460 I said, there are no war plans.

00:15:27.540 There have said, there's no classified information.

00:15:30.000 I said, the obvious question is, shouldn't you now demonstrate it?

00:15:34.160 Shouldn't you publish the text?

00:15:35.680 No, because they're wrong.

00:15:36.720 I have a pretty, I have a pretty clear standards in my own behavior of what I consider, what

00:15:43.340 information that I consider to be in the public interest, even if it's technically classified

00:15:47.440 or not, I'm, uh, I'm sticking to my principles here.

00:15:51.240 Sticking to his principles.

00:15:52.460 Okay.

00:15:52.720 So just for the record, this is, that was him and the messaging up and down television on

00:15:57.000 Tuesday for whatever it's worth.

00:15:58.580 This, this is what I said on Tuesday.

00:16:01.200 By the way, I think we're T minus like 72 hours before Jeffrey Goldberg releases it anyway

00:16:06.420 with maybe a couple of things redacted, but I, I don't think he's going to stay in this.

00:16:10.740 Like I I'm above it all and I won't release it.

00:16:13.080 And he, he just, I don't think he can help himself.

00:16:16.020 And I was a hundred percent right.

00:16:17.800 Except for the redacted part.

00:16:18.840 24 hours later.

00:16:20.500 Yeah.

00:16:21.160 You were exactly right.

00:16:22.280 So he releases it all virtually at 99.99% has been released.

00:16:26.560 I think he withheld the one name of the one guy, um, but the whole, all the, I, it wouldn't

00:16:31.960 be responsible.

00:16:32.600 I take this stuff very, very seriously.

00:16:34.200 No, I shouldn't publish it.

00:16:35.500 It'd be wrong.

00:16:36.140 I have clear standards out the window, not a single redaction, read it all.

00:16:41.580 Please click on the Atlantic.

00:16:43.920 It's, it's the kind of turn that would make Nancy Kerrigan wish she could do it.

00:16:48.060 I mean, it was a full double axle, triple toe loop.

00:16:50.460 The guy in 24 hours was so esteemed and he's never going to do it because of principle.

00:16:56.600 And then he's like, you know what?

00:16:58.180 Yeah, here it is.

00:16:59.140 Let's get some more publicity.

00:17:00.760 Also special hats off to your researchers, Megan, who had to sift through Tim Miller and

00:17:05.280 MSNBC and all of that.

00:17:07.320 I mean, that's enough to give somebody brain damage.

00:17:09.520 There should be some kind of a comp reward for something like that.

00:17:13.300 Hazard pay.

00:17:15.960 It was just, it's unbelievable.

00:17:17.320 So this guy has been turned into some sort of a hero and pick your poison.

00:17:23.060 I mean, if you are pro Europe, you're blaming this all on JD Vance.

00:17:28.640 Like he said, terrible things about our best friends, but how they needed to take care of

00:17:32.180 this.

00:17:32.840 If you are anti Pete Hegseth, you're saying he needs to get fired.

00:17:37.200 A lot of the sort of pro more neo Connie guys, much prefer Tim Walls.

00:17:41.620 I mean, sorry, not Tim Walls, Mike Walls.

00:17:43.480 Um, so there's like different constituencies coming out.

00:17:48.480 Um, and Mike, Mike Walls with Laura Ingram claimed he will get to the bottom of it, which

00:17:53.520 I believe we will.

00:17:54.380 And he said he's brought in a special helper to do that.

00:17:58.760 Take a listen here.

00:17:59.740 It's not three.

00:18:00.120 It's embarrassing.

00:18:02.180 Yes.

00:18:02.820 Uh, we're going to get to the bottom of it.

00:18:04.540 We've have, I just talked to Elon on the way here.

00:18:07.480 We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened, but I can tell you,

00:18:11.680 I can tell you for 100%.

00:18:13.840 I don't know this guy.

00:18:16.000 I know him by his horrible reputation and he really is a bottom scum of journalists.

00:18:20.720 Uh, and I know him, uh, in the sense that he hates the president, but I don't text him.

00:18:25.360 He wasn't on my phone.

00:18:26.780 Uh, and we're going to figure out how this happened.

00:18:28.260 Okay.

00:18:31.760 I don't, I mean, I, I guess it's good to have Elon and his tech bros, right?

00:18:36.260 Way in, but like, they need to stop going on shows and talking about it.

00:18:41.500 Do they, am I wrong?

00:18:43.180 Just stop it.

00:18:44.220 So it's, I don't know, like Elon flies rockets to Mars.

00:18:46.960 He might be a little overqualified for this job, but I love how Elon is now like generic

00:18:51.660 IT guy for the entire government.

00:18:55.280 It's like the way you, you guys treat me around here.

00:18:57.640 Like the internet goes out and you're like, Duncan, the, the router.

00:19:01.040 Did you, did you plug it in?

00:19:03.840 Did you take the plug out?

00:19:05.800 That's it.

00:19:08.540 That's like when I married Doug, he was, um, running an internet security software firm.

00:19:13.720 Like, um, they would protect against hackers, that kind of thing.

00:19:16.700 And my mom would call up and be like, my browser disappeared.

00:19:20.760 Where's my browser?

00:19:23.160 You know, my email is running slow.

00:19:26.260 Elon, this is going to junk.

00:19:30.100 Okay.

00:19:30.660 But here, here is the most offensive, absurd take of all someone I've never heard of.

00:19:38.560 You guys are in the biz.

00:19:39.360 So you might have, uh, Democrat representative of Texas.

00:19:42.660 What's going on with Texas?

00:19:44.220 We got Jasmine Crockett.

00:19:45.780 We got this loser, Jimmy Gomez, who had this take on it at a hearing with the CIA director

00:19:53.160 and others.

00:19:53.620 But this exchange is with CIA director, John Ratcliffe.

00:19:56.760 Cliff.

00:19:56.960 To your knowledge, do you know whether Pete Hegseth had been drinking, uh, before he

00:20:02.800 leaked classified information?

00:20:04.760 You're an idiot.

00:20:05.900 I don't have any knowledge of Secretary Hegseth's personal habits.

00:20:09.480 Director Ratcliffe.

00:20:12.060 Same question.

00:20:12.900 Yes or no?

00:20:13.420 You know, uh, no, uh, I'm going to answer that.

00:20:15.660 I think that's an offensive line of questioning.

00:20:17.800 The answer is no.

00:20:19.000 I, I find it interesting that you want to, no, I, no, I'm going to answer.

00:20:22.780 You asked me a question.

00:20:24.040 Do you want an answer?

00:20:24.820 No, listen.

00:20:25.320 You don't want to focus on the good work that the CIA is doing, that the intelligence community

00:20:30.120 Director, I want to talk about my time.

00:20:32.000 I have huge respect for the CIA, huge respect for men and women in uniform.

00:20:37.300 But this was a question that's on the top of minds of every American.

00:20:43.340 He stood in front of a podium in Europe holding a drink.

00:20:49.080 So, of course, we want to know if his performance is compromised.

00:20:53.680 Was his performance compromised because of a successful strike?

00:20:57.520 I yield back.

00:20:57.940 Mister, I bring my, um.

00:20:59.280 You want to know, you want to talk about accepting responsibility?

00:21:02.220 I reclaim my time.

00:21:02.620 Do you think you should claim my time, gentlemen?

00:21:04.600 For a successful strike to make Americans safer?

00:21:07.720 You want to focus on.

00:21:10.360 By the way, apologies to Texas.

00:21:14.040 He's, of course, actually from California.

00:21:16.340 Can you believe the nerve of this guy?

00:21:19.120 No, I can't.

00:21:21.640 I can't.

00:21:22.300 Democrats are in such bad shape.

00:21:24.300 Matt Brooke mentioned it earlier, but their, right now, favorability rating is the worst

00:21:29.100 it's been in over a generation.

00:21:31.580 President Trump's favorability rating is the highest it has ever been.

00:21:34.600 It's higher than it was on election day.

00:21:37.120 The Democrats are trying to manufacture anything.

00:21:39.600 This is beyond grasping at straws.

00:21:41.460 They're, they see that they are falling into a pit and they're trying to grab anything they

00:21:45.680 can, anything that they think will let them get some kind of traction.

00:21:49.440 Because since election day, they've been just getting steamrolled nonstop.

00:21:52.780 Americans could not be more thrilled seeing criminals, illegals getting deported out of

00:21:57.140 this country.

00:21:58.240 The media doesn't want to talk about egg prices.

00:22:00.220 Egg prices have halved in the past month.

00:22:02.520 The story that they were trying to push that, oh my God, Biden killed all these chickens and

00:22:05.680 now Trump's caused the egg prices to go up.

00:22:08.120 Everything that they've tried to get Trump on has failed.

00:22:10.900 This is going to go down in the same line.

00:22:13.340 They're going to try to make a story out of this.

00:22:14.700 And I completely agree with you.

00:22:15.940 The Trump administration should ignore this.

00:22:17.640 Talk about the MS-13 guy you just arrested today and move on.

00:22:20.820 Keep putting up W's for the American people.

00:22:23.480 This guy, Jimmy Gomez, according to a radio host, a radio host in South Carolina, Brett

00:22:30.640 Winterbull.

00:22:32.000 Oh yeah.

00:22:32.420 Was before he entered electoral politics, a labor organizer.

00:22:37.460 He was organizing labor.

00:22:38.460 At the time, Pete Hegseth had a backpack on and a gun slung around his shoulder and was

00:22:46.520 killing bad guys for us in Iraq and Afghanistan and down at Gitmo, dealing with the worst of

00:22:51.080 the worst.

00:22:51.520 So that's how Pete spent his formative adult years.

00:22:54.400 Well, Jimmy was a mini Barack Obama trying to organize, in his case, labor, but he wants

00:23:01.800 to besmirch Pete as a drunk because he says, we saw him with the drink in his hand.

00:23:08.060 What an absolute fucker.

00:23:10.400 That is based on Pete standing up in front of a room full of people at a public event in

00:23:16.620 which he was addressing, I can't remember what the, what was the event you guys, and

00:23:21.180 like a whole group of-

00:23:22.340 Was this the NATO summit?

00:23:23.880 Yes.

00:23:24.400 Yeah.

00:23:25.400 It was in Belgium.

00:23:26.620 It might've been that.

00:23:27.320 I can't.

00:23:27.640 Anyway, look, he's saying this is him drinking booze.

00:23:32.560 This idiot, Matt Iglesias, said, I assume this is the trick of the light and he's not actually

00:23:38.320 throwing back bourbon on camera, but it's interesting that the water looks brown.

00:23:44.200 Meanwhile, it would have taken him 10 seconds to Google video from the event where it makes

00:23:48.940 very clear the water was clear, like all water is, and that it was just a lighting trick.

00:23:54.340 But now it winds up in a congressional hearing as like he's been, he's been, this is so disgusting

00:24:01.160 how they use this stuff to absolutely smear honest, hardworking men.

00:24:07.500 But it's also a perfect vignette into the larger problem that Democrats have when Smaug

00:24:12.600 was talking about their approval rating and what it is that they're talking about, this

00:24:15.720 knee-jerk opposition to hugely popular things that President Trump is doing.

00:24:20.080 Think about Jimmy's information flow, right?

00:24:23.360 Think about the information that comes to him on a day-to-day basis to one, conclude that

00:24:29.600 that was in fact bourbon, and two, that it's on the top of minds of everyone he's talking to.

00:24:36.440 Think about the information that has to go into that man's head in order to conclude those two

00:24:41.840 things in a congressional hearing and not feel entirely humiliated by the question in the first

00:24:47.300 place.

00:24:48.080 You know, these people are wrecked.

00:24:49.940 Their brain is just broken.

00:24:51.240 It's really, it's so deeply offensive that you would get up there and actually suggest,

00:24:57.040 and only in Congress can you get away with this because you've got a liability shield

00:25:00.080 from defamation, to actually basically call him a drunk.

00:25:03.240 Say like, was he drunk when he was tweeting this shit?

00:25:07.860 But if not for nothing, there's zero about the actual text that suggests in any way,

00:25:12.080 shame, shape or form that anyone was impaired while having this discussion.

00:25:16.980 It's absolutely defamatory, but they get away with it.

00:25:21.100 To pick up on the point you just made, Smug, everyone's favorite pollster, or at least poll

00:25:27.280 analyst, Harry Enten, was over on CNN doing a bit on what you just said on Trump's approval,

00:25:33.600 and here's a bit of it.

00:25:35.360 His net favorable rating right now comes in at minus four points.

00:25:38.340 Compare that to where he was when he won in November of 2024, when he was at minus seven

00:25:42.880 points, or March of 2017, when he was at minus 10 points.

00:25:47.080 So when you compare Trump against himself, he's actually closer to the apex than he is

00:25:51.940 to the bottom of the trough.

00:25:53.300 And of course, that's so important because Donald Trump, historically speaking, has had

00:25:57.200 his numbers underestimated.

00:25:58.980 So let's take a look at the percentage of the country who say that we're on the right track.

00:26:02.820 It's actually a very high percentage when you compare it to some historical numbers.

00:26:06.220 What are we talking about?

00:26:06.860 According to Marist, 45% say that we're on the right track.

00:26:09.540 That's the second highest that Marist has measured since 2009.

00:26:12.960 How about NBC News?

00:26:14.500 44%.

00:26:14.940 That's the highest since 2004.

00:26:17.720 The bottom line is the percentage of Americans who say we're on the right track is through

00:26:21.280 the roof.

00:26:23.040 Yeah.

00:26:23.600 His body movements are so great.

00:26:25.480 They make the hits, don't they?

00:26:26.820 Like, he's like, through the roof, and he's like, it's so high.

00:26:30.120 It's down low.

00:26:31.220 And it's like, it's out the window.

00:26:33.400 Like, he's very entertaining to watch.

00:26:35.980 Yeah, no, a little theater goes a long ways, particularly on CNN.

00:26:40.900 It makes the rest of the stuff go down a little easier.

00:26:43.040 Well, it really does.

00:26:43.640 And he did that on a morning show on CNN.

00:26:46.260 And so what I like to think about is what your typical CNN viewer did for the rest of

00:26:50.360 the day after learning that information.

00:26:52.700 Speaking of bourbon.

00:26:53.600 Their day did not start off on the right foot when they found out that Donald Trump, the

00:26:57.040 guy they hate so much, is actually very, very popular.

00:27:00.420 Yeah, they're not feeling about Harry the way the rest of us are.

00:27:03.100 He's from the Bronx, which is another thing.

00:27:04.520 I love the New York City accent.

00:27:06.080 I love it.

00:27:06.580 But Brooklyn, Bronx, it always is utterly charming to me.

00:27:10.780 OK, enough of that.

00:27:13.020 Signalgate will go away.

00:27:14.240 No one will be fired and we'll be fine.

00:27:17.400 However, I don't know if NPR is going to be OK.

00:27:20.860 I think NPR is about to lose its taxpayer funding based on what I saw yesterday.

00:27:26.860 Right.

00:27:27.000 I think it's going to based on what Trump tweeted and what we saw yesterday.

00:27:30.960 It was so great to watch that.

00:27:34.520 This woman, Catherine Marr, have you like this?

00:27:39.240 Speaking of smug, smug, right?

00:27:41.100 She was so smug.

00:27:43.120 She was like oozing contempt and like superiority and trying to be like, thank you so much for

00:27:51.780 raising a thank you.

00:27:52.620 Thanks for giving me the opportunity to respond to that.

00:27:54.480 Now, let me lie for two minutes about how it never happened.

00:27:57.080 I appreciate you giving me the chance to lie about how I never did the controversial thing.

00:28:01.260 I'm very grateful to you for bringing up.

00:28:03.500 And then these congressmen just kept hitting her with, oh, you never did it?

00:28:07.340 Oh, well, here's you saying you did it.

00:28:09.160 And the best, I mean, there's so many good ones to choose from, but we might as well just

00:28:12.960 kick it off with my new favorite congressman.

00:28:16.120 He is from Texas.

00:28:17.580 He's Brandon Gill.

00:28:19.560 He's married to Dinesh D'Souza's daughter.

00:28:23.160 I didn't know any of this.

00:28:24.220 He is a cold stone, stone cold assassin in that congressional seat.

00:28:31.820 Watch him.

00:28:33.100 Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?

00:28:37.120 I believe that I tweeted that.

00:28:39.360 And as I've said earlier, I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade.

00:28:43.860 Do you believe that America believes in black plunder and white democracy?

00:28:48.040 I don't believe that, sir.

00:28:50.640 You tweeted that in reference to a book you were reading at the time, apparently, The Case

00:28:55.520 for Reparations.

00:28:57.000 I don't think I've ever read that book, sir.

00:28:59.220 You tweeted about it.

00:29:01.400 You said you took a day off to fully read The Case for Reparations.

00:29:05.420 You put that on Twitter in January of 2020.

00:29:08.820 Apologies, I don't recall that I did.

00:29:10.280 I have no doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall that.

00:29:15.520 Okay.

00:29:16.160 Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?

00:29:20.220 I do not.

00:29:21.120 You don't?

00:29:21.620 You tweeted something to that effect.

00:29:23.740 You said, I grew up feeling superior.

00:29:26.020 How white of me?

00:29:27.400 Why did you tweet that?

00:29:28.520 I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to be, to grow up in an environment where

00:29:35.020 I had lots of advantages.

00:29:36.320 It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior.

00:29:39.460 I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir.

00:29:42.380 I was just reflecting on my own experiences.

00:29:44.320 Do you think that white people should pay reparations?

00:29:46.640 I have never said that, sir.

00:29:48.680 Yes, you did.

00:29:49.740 You said it in January of 2020.

00:29:51.720 You tweeted, yes, the North.

00:29:53.480 Yes, all of us.

00:29:54.260 Yes, America.

00:29:55.520 Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt.

00:29:58.180 Yes, reparations.

00:29:59.580 Yes, on this day.

00:30:00.820 I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.

00:30:03.780 What kind of reparations was it a reference to?

00:30:05.960 I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came

00:30:10.100 before us.

00:30:11.060 Oh, my God.

00:30:12.160 I love him so much.

00:30:14.400 I need to know him.

00:30:15.380 He's got to come on this show.

00:30:16.740 I have to tell him how much I deeply admire him.

00:30:20.020 He's an absolute rock star.

00:30:21.240 So he was elected class president for the incoming freshman and for good reason.

00:30:25.540 It's because of that.

00:30:26.380 He showed up and he wanted to be the tip of the spear.

00:30:29.060 He doesn't take any garbage.

00:30:30.780 I mean, every time you see the left try to come up with some dirty trick to go after

00:30:34.400 President Trump, to go after Republicans or like this, try to rob taxpayers like NPR

00:30:38.500 has been doing, pushing their fake hoaxes.

00:30:40.580 He holds them accountable.

00:30:42.120 That's what you want from a member of Congress.

00:30:43.740 He's off to a phenomenal start and you love to see it.

00:30:46.340 You want to see this is the people that we are sending to Congress.

00:30:49.100 What I love most about it, Smug, is you can tell he's enjoying it.

00:30:52.560 Oh, his big smile.

00:30:53.520 He's getting a crack in the smile as he's going back.

00:30:56.100 He's like, oh, I got a receipt for that one, too.

00:30:57.760 You know, the cadence of it is fantastic.

00:31:00.420 He's like, oh, but do you have there's a there's a tweet about it.

00:31:04.080 Yes, you did.

00:31:05.160 Good.

00:31:05.900 I'm so good.

00:31:07.400 Yes, you did.

00:31:08.200 His his lack of emotionality is what made it so good.

00:31:11.960 He was just like, you did.

00:31:13.820 You said, yeah, you don't tweet that.

00:31:16.480 Here's the exact tweet you did.

00:31:18.920 You said you read that book.

00:31:20.200 You said you took the whole day off and spent the day reading that book.

00:31:23.600 And here's the thing that's so great about it is, you know, so which which is the lie?

00:31:28.040 Like, were you lying when you said that you read these woke, annoying books time and time again to try to pander to left wingers who you think are your fans?

00:31:39.460 Was that a lie?

00:31:40.620 Or are you lying today under oath when you're looking at me saying you never read these books?

00:31:45.600 Because, like, not only did you take the time to lie to all these people if you didn't read these books, like you actually tweeted it in front of I don't know how many followers followers she has, probably hundreds of thousands.

00:31:56.860 So, like, the virtue signaling that she felt was important to do to be like, I'm a leftist just like all of you.

00:32:03.480 And I'm reading all your favorite insane books, like which is worse if those were lies and she was just pandering or if she really did that shit and then just lied under oath to Congress.

00:32:15.600 Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that she lied under oath to Congress.

00:32:18.820 I mean, look at the organization that she's running.

00:32:20.940 I mean, this is not somebody who's faking leftism.

00:32:23.480 You had a deep commitment to it over a period of time that, like, I don't know if you just flip on the radio, turn on.

00:32:29.200 I mean, that's what it is, folks.

00:32:30.880 That's what it is.

00:32:31.680 There's no secrets there.

00:32:32.760 Remember the TED talk?

00:32:33.420 Do we think she read the case for reparations?

00:32:35.420 I don't think she read the case for reparations.

00:32:36.980 Go ahead, Ashbrook.

00:32:37.840 I remember the TED talk she gave where she was trying to explain why truth doesn't matter, why leftist ideals are more important than truth.

00:32:47.160 Yeah, like objectivity gets in the way.

00:32:49.400 And how annoying white men are.

00:32:51.700 Yeah.

00:32:52.180 Yeah.

00:32:53.020 Yeah.

00:32:53.320 What I love most about that exchange is, like, we all had this buddy in college who would black out so much.

00:32:58.600 And then the next day you'd have to walk him through his evening and he'd be like, oh, no, that doesn't sound like me at all.

00:33:07.020 I'd never do that.

00:33:09.700 The end of it is like, all right, who do I need to do with politics?

00:33:16.980 Thank God that guy was never subjected to my new favorite representative.

00:33:21.860 Although it probably went down exactly like that with his buddies.

00:33:24.800 I was like, well, yes, he did.

00:33:26.320 Here's a picture of it.

00:33:27.280 I mean, you tweeted about it.

00:33:29.640 Yeah, I didn't know you were standing on the bar.

00:33:33.900 Yeah, you did.

00:33:35.040 Here's more.

00:33:35.700 First of all, I'll go back to the congressional hearing, but I will give you a little bit for old time's sake of Catherine Mars TED talk that you referenced in 2022.

00:33:44.200 This is before she came the head of became the head of NPR.

00:33:48.240 This is the stuff that got her the job.

00:33:50.840 Watch.

00:33:51.360 That perhaps for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth might not be the right place to start.

00:34:04.120 In fact, our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done.

00:34:15.540 This is because the truth of the matter is very often for many people what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world.

00:34:25.860 So we all have different truths.

00:34:28.080 This is not extemporanea.

00:34:33.300 She practiced that speech 37,000 times in front of the mirror so she could deliver it with that cadence and the in fact, folks, with that hushed tone.

00:34:43.880 This is like the worst HR person in corporate America showed up in your office and they're telling you why you have to shut your computer down.

00:34:51.320 I mean, she's like, yes, and making you go through all the seminars.

00:34:56.360 Go ahead, Smug.

00:34:57.460 She's the embodiment of the whole problem.

00:34:59.280 The left has now found itself in.

00:35:01.380 They've been completely siloed off from the majority of people.

00:35:04.920 The way she talks, she's doing a TED talk with such self-importance and and explain to people.

00:35:11.060 Here's the thing.

00:35:12.120 There's lots of truths.

00:35:13.580 You know, the I run NPR.

00:35:15.760 It's not important for me to give objective facts.

00:35:17.780 So we're talking about we need to get across the message that we want people to public radio.

00:35:24.440 I'm not I'm not surprised at all that she has no memory of tweeting any of those things because people like this life is theater for these people.

00:35:32.020 And they're just acting.

00:35:33.480 Right.

00:35:33.840 And so, yeah, when you're an actor, sometimes you forget your lines.

00:35:37.400 Here's here's some more from Catherine Mayer over the years.

00:35:41.080 Again, this is just over the past few years.

00:35:42.900 Uh, again, before she was made CEO, but I would suggest to you this is why they made her CEO in January of 2024.

00:35:51.360 Uh, OK, on looting.

00:35:54.220 I mean, sure, looting is counterproductive, but it's hard to be mad about protests not prioritizing the private property of a system of oppression founded on treating people's ancestors as private property.

00:36:06.360 On whiteness.

00:36:07.860 I know that hysteric white woman voice.

00:36:11.760 I was taught to do it.

00:36:13.640 I've done it.

00:36:14.780 It's a disturbing recognition.

00:36:16.740 Well, I don't recall ever using it to deliberately expose another person to immediate physical harm on my own cognizance.

00:36:23.800 It's not impossible.

00:36:25.500 That is whiteness.

00:36:27.500 She's got a rant about too many white men in business class and in the lounge.

00:36:33.480 She's annoyed with seeing all the white people like herself and the guys, especially with the penises.

00:36:38.400 She gets upset.

00:36:40.280 I mean, there's you name it.

00:36:41.840 There's a tweet for it.

00:36:42.800 Catherine are absolutely hates white people.

00:36:45.320 But reality, realistically, she doesn't.

00:36:48.080 I think she's just faking.

00:36:49.280 She's been faking for a long time, like all these other Upper West Side women who are the wokest that you can be and who are being reflected in these polls as the only thing still propping up the Democratic Party.

00:37:01.600 Yeah.

00:37:01.780 Right.

00:37:01.960 It's these woke white women like Catherine Maher.

00:37:06.200 Meanwhile, black people are like, would you stop that shit for the love of God?

00:37:11.760 I have a fantastic idea for her.

00:37:14.960 You know, since she's so concerned about reparations and everything and BLM, you know, we're tearing up BLM Plaza here in Washington, D.C.

00:37:22.280 16th Street is going to be restored to its former glory.

00:37:25.200 But NPR has some fantastic real estate here in our nation's capital, a beautiful building in the heart of the city.

00:37:31.040 I think we take off the words NPR and we put BLM.

00:37:34.460 Yeah.

00:37:34.640 And then we can just have everybody go there, too.

00:37:37.100 I mean, it doesn't you know, we can just make it like basically housing.

00:37:41.320 Yeah.

00:37:41.760 Right.

00:37:42.180 For everybody.

00:37:43.060 Yeah.

00:37:43.240 That'd be great.

00:37:43.880 It'd be a service to the community.

00:37:45.600 Maybe she'd be interested in that.

00:37:47.000 I was sort of well through, though.

00:37:48.700 You know, when you were talking, Megan, you were talking about the people that she cloisters herself around and, you know, the white woman, the wine mom, essentially.

00:37:56.600 She was like, oh, I know that voice.

00:37:58.980 I was kind of with her on that, you know, I mean, like, yeah, that's pretty much it.

00:38:04.320 That's that's exactly what annoys all of us.

00:38:07.180 Yeah.

00:38:07.840 But I mean, it's like I've been that voice.

00:38:10.040 OK, what do you mean?

00:38:11.220 Like, what specifically did you do?

00:38:12.660 I want to know exactly get into more.

00:38:14.200 That would that would have been a good follow up.

00:38:15.640 Like what exactly you said you did this.

00:38:17.900 Could you walk us through how and when you use the white woman voice and said all the things that you were taught?

00:38:25.380 Who taught you that it's a disturbing recognition and you're suggesting you did use it to deliberately expose another person to immediate physical harm?

00:38:34.440 You might have done that.

00:38:35.580 Who who got hurt?

00:38:36.980 Why did you do that?

00:38:37.860 That is fucking racist.

00:38:39.120 That's actually really upsetting.

00:38:40.740 Like, well, if she should not be the head of NPR or any other news organization.

00:38:44.640 I remember I remember one time she used that voice and said, you're fired to a guy named Uri Berliner who had the temerity to say, and maybe at NPR we should have another Republican or two.

00:38:54.340 Maybe it shouldn't be one thousand libs and Democrats.

00:38:57.280 Deep track.

00:38:59.140 Deep track.

00:39:00.520 That's all.

00:39:01.240 Well, here's a little bit more.

00:39:02.140 Let's go to Representative Tim Burchett.

00:39:04.300 This was one of the best.

00:39:05.520 Side eight.

00:39:05.860 Why did you call President Trump a fascist and a deranged racist sociopath in 2020?

00:39:14.240 Congressman, I appreciate the opportunity to address this.

00:39:17.060 I regret those tweets.

00:39:18.260 I would not tweet them again today.

00:39:19.980 I represented a time where I was reflecting on something that I believe that the president had said rather than who he is.

00:39:26.760 I don't presume that anyone is a racist.

00:39:29.200 Which you don't believe anyone is a racist.

00:39:31.200 I don't start by presuming anyone is a racist, sir.

00:39:33.300 But thank you so much for asking me because I love that.

00:39:37.500 Why did you call him a racist, fascist sociopath?

00:39:41.680 I regret that.

00:39:43.860 I regret that.

00:39:46.060 Bullshit.

00:39:46.580 She doesn't regret that at all.

00:39:48.260 She totally stands by every word of that.

00:39:51.180 Thank you so much for the opportunity to address all these past comments.

00:39:55.760 I can't thank you enough.

00:39:56.800 I think the most important thing for everyone to take away from all this is you're paying her.

00:40:03.780 Yeah.

00:40:04.020 Your money is going to her against your will.

00:40:08.740 And that has to stop.

00:40:10.220 It has to stop immediately.

00:40:11.440 This hearing was so important because everyone should have to see.

00:40:16.120 This is what Doge is doing.

00:40:17.760 They're getting vilified.

00:40:18.720 They're getting attacked, terrorized across the country.

00:40:21.060 Because they're bringing garbage like this to light.

00:40:24.700 There's no reason hardworking people who go to work day in, day out are paying that woman's salary.

00:40:30.720 That's completely unfair.

00:40:31.760 It's wrong.

00:40:32.600 Yeah.

00:40:32.720 It's supposed to be public information.

00:40:34.080 It's there to try to get people educated on what's going on in their government and their communities and everything else.

00:40:39.000 In reality, what it is, is a poison that's going into communities.

00:40:43.900 When you have viewpoints like this, it's not a surprise that the derivation of that is like DEI that goes on above all the education system problems that we've seen pop up over the last few years.

00:40:54.340 I mean, what they're doing is quite literally tearing communities apart.

00:40:58.720 100%.

00:40:59.320 Mm-hmm.

00:41:00.120 Well, so here's the thing.

00:41:01.020 So maybe, so she later tried to claim, oh, there's a strong firewall between me and the news division.

00:41:07.360 You know, I don't run editorial.

00:41:09.280 I'm the head of NPR, but trust me.

00:41:10.780 I'm just the CEO.

00:41:12.060 But even so, like, whatever, the whole organization is full of rot.

00:41:17.780 It's up and down to the studs.

00:41:20.780 It's full of rot and hatred for Republicans and an aversion to the truth if that truth reflects negatively on Democrats or positively on Republicans.

00:41:31.120 And that's where the real problem is with NPR.

00:41:33.300 It's not so much, I mean, she's fun to make fun of.

00:41:34.940 But the real problem is that this really is Media Matters with a different moniker.

00:41:41.980 That's how far left they are.

00:41:43.980 And getting to, like, how biased they are in their coverage, which, again, we're paying for, is really getting to the heart of the matter.

00:41:51.180 That's what Jim Jordan tried to do in the following exchange, Sot 12.

00:41:54.500 He wrote on the Trump-Russia story.

00:41:59.860 He wrote, at NPR, we hitched our wagon to Trump's most visible antagonist representative, Adam Schiff.

00:42:06.920 And he said they interviewed him 25 times.

00:42:08.540 Is that accurate?

00:42:09.520 I was not there at the time, but those numbers sound accurate.

00:42:12.260 Those sound accurate.

00:42:13.540 But then he said when the Mueller report came out, he said Russiagate faded from our programming.

00:42:18.860 Is that accurate?

00:42:19.780 Again, I was not there at the time.

00:42:21.040 I couldn't say.

00:42:22.700 You couldn't say?

00:42:23.720 I was not at NPR at the time.

00:42:25.220 You didn't prepare for that?

00:42:26.060 You knew we were going to ask you about this guy, didn't you?

00:42:27.940 It's come up like 6,000 times already in the hearing.

00:42:30.600 I just couldn't say whether it faded from our coverage, sir.

00:42:33.780 How about this story?

00:42:34.920 October 2020, the New York Post had the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:42:39.080 And one of those editors, I guess one of those 87 Democrat editors, said this.

00:42:45.200 We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories.

00:42:48.380 We don't want to waste the listeners' and readers' times on stories that are just pure distractions.

00:42:53.180 Was that a pure distraction story?

00:42:55.280 Our current editorial leadership believes that that was a mistake, as do I.

00:42:59.340 Yeah.

00:42:59.740 The whole country knows that was a mistake.

00:43:01.780 Mr. Berliner said, we became fervent members of the team Natural Origin, even declaring that

00:43:06.820 the lab leak was debunked by scientists.

00:43:08.820 Is there a question there?

00:43:09.740 There is.

00:43:10.580 You guys were 0 for 3.

00:43:11.700 On the three of the biggest stories in the last five years, you guys were 0 for 3, and

00:43:16.980 yet you maintain that NPR is not biased?

00:43:20.760 Congressman, I do not believe we are politically biased.

00:43:23.380 No, we are a nonpartisan organization.

00:43:25.780 Oh, my God.

00:43:27.200 Russiagate, Hunter Laptop, and COVID.

00:43:30.740 I mean, he exposed her.

00:43:32.760 And he's exactly right.

00:43:33.660 The mistakes only go in one direction.

00:43:36.080 Yeah.

00:43:36.820 Well, I'm also reminded that none of this would be happening if not for a two-seat majority

00:43:43.080 in the House of Representatives.

00:43:44.100 None of those questions would be asked in the first place.

00:43:46.300 She would have no regrets about any of that at all.

00:43:49.240 I mean, it's one of the things that we tell our listeners, and I know you tell your viewers

00:43:53.220 and listeners as well, you can't sort of relax and hope that everything is going to work

00:43:58.220 out all right.

00:43:59.140 Because but for two seats in the House of Representatives across this country, none

00:44:04.960 of those questions would even be asked, much less contemplated by a woman who's clearly got

00:44:08.860 an agenda to run national public airwaves as she sees fit, and as she sees fit, is off

00:44:15.220 the left-hand side of the map.

00:44:17.660 So true.

00:44:18.680 I mean, they did a great job yesterday of exposing just how left they are.

00:44:22.660 And they referenced back to that Uri Berliner piece in the Free Press.

00:44:26.040 He's he won a Peabody.

00:44:28.380 He was there for 25 years, very respected journalist who comes out to say, we've lost

00:44:32.000 our way.

00:44:32.480 I mean, we are just we're hard left now.

00:44:34.160 We don't care about truth.

00:44:35.440 What we care about is protecting Dems and promoting them.

00:44:39.300 And this came up because somebody was asking her, I think it was Jordan again.

00:44:43.260 Yeah, about what Uri posited in that piece, which was of the editors in the D.C.

00:44:50.320 area alone.

00:44:51.080 That's that's just the only one I checked.

00:44:53.040 We found 87 Dems and zero Republicans.

00:44:58.560 And she actually had the nerve to try to say that that was concerning to her.

00:45:03.620 I think this is that.

00:45:04.540 So let's just watch a little bit of it.

00:45:05.880 So at 11.

00:45:08.380 Is NPR biased?

00:45:11.120 Congressman, I have never seen any instance of never of political bias determining editorial

00:45:16.500 decisions.

00:45:17.060 No, well, Miss Bert, Mr. Berliner in his story a couple last year wrote, I've in the D.C.

00:45:26.980 area editorial positions at NPR.

00:45:30.120 He said he found 87 registered Democrats, zero Republicans.

00:45:35.260 Is that accurate?

00:45:36.580 We do not track the numbers or the voter registration, but I find that award winning journalist who

00:45:41.460 worked 25 years at NPR, Mr. Berliner, was he lying when he wrote that?

00:45:46.180 I am not presuming such.

00:45:48.280 I just don't have we don't track that information about our journalist.

00:45:51.260 87 to zero.

00:45:52.640 And you're not biased.

00:45:53.820 I think that is concerning if those numbers are accurate.

00:45:57.640 Then do something about it.

00:45:59.920 It's more dishonesty.

00:46:01.300 She she doesn't she doesn't find that concerning.

00:46:04.080 Right.

00:46:04.200 It's been a year since Berliner's piece.

00:46:06.600 And if she cared at all, they already would have been hired.

00:46:10.920 They hired some six person editorial board to like shore up their editorial over there.

00:46:16.680 Not one of whom is a Republican.

00:46:18.780 Right.

00:46:18.980 Like there is no way forward in cutting out the the majority of the country.

00:46:24.660 Now, the majority is right leaning and voted for Trump out of the conversation entirely.

00:46:30.020 And if you want to be that left wing rag right on, sister, you do you.

00:46:33.940 That's why we have MSNBC and a lot of other organizations.

00:46:36.740 But we don't have to pay for it.

00:46:39.520 Bingo.

00:46:39.940 Right.

00:46:40.820 Right.

00:46:41.220 That's totally right.

00:46:42.180 I mean, Johnny, you bring this up all the time, but they've had ample opportunity to

00:46:46.060 rectify what was exposed by Berliner.

00:46:50.340 Right.

00:46:50.540 And and and we all know what happened.

00:46:52.800 She pretends like she she do.

00:46:54.820 You heard what she said.

00:46:55.680 She says, I was not there at the time that this was taking place.

00:46:58.960 But when she started, the first thing she did right after she got her login and her password

00:47:04.920 was to get rid of Uri Berliner because he had the temerity to say that maybe we shouldn't

00:47:10.420 be so biased at this place.

00:47:12.260 And so she's her dishonesty is multilevel in this whole interaction.

00:47:18.040 And I really hope so many people saw this because they can see NPR for what it is.

00:47:23.380 And finally, we can not have to pay for it.

00:47:26.080 It is wild that you could be the CEO, ostensibly the CEO of a company or organization and have

00:47:31.720 little to no idea of what goes on there.

00:47:34.220 Right.

00:47:34.760 You admit that in a public hearing.

00:47:36.720 It's like she doesn't know anything about the BLM tweets.

00:47:39.260 She doesn't know anything that's happening in NPR.

00:47:40.900 The only thing she's 100 percent sure of is that she's tweeted that Donald Trump is racist.

00:47:44.420 Right.

00:47:45.660 And she's very glad that you brought that up.

00:47:47.580 Very glad.

00:47:47.940 So she could tell you it isn't true.

00:47:50.120 I don't know why I said that.

00:47:51.600 I was that was crazy talk.

00:47:53.000 The funny thing is there was a report.

00:47:54.600 I think it was Politico after the hearing yesterday saying that no, it's New York Times,

00:48:00.200 Benjamin Mullen, who reported that supporters of public media were breathing a sigh of relief

00:48:06.460 at the end of the hearing.

00:48:08.420 One longtime public media executive texted me to say that neither chief executive, because

00:48:13.460 PBS was also there, had made a major error yet.

00:48:17.900 I mean, they don't get it, you guys.

00:48:20.020 No, they're living in a bubble with viewers like you and the members of the Paul R. and

00:48:24.460 John D. MacArthur Foundation that are right alongside the rest of us as we contribute at

00:48:30.660 gunpoint every April.

00:48:31.800 They're like, Catherine, it was stellar, right on point.

00:48:36.900 That part where you said you didn't actually read the books, loved that part.

00:48:42.920 Didn't lay a glove on you.

00:48:45.300 Didn't check the sponsor.

00:48:45.940 Wait until you see your funding go away.

00:48:48.820 I mean, probably, to be honest, the most important question there was that question we played of

00:48:53.800 the guy being like, why'd you call Donald Trump a fascist, racist sociopath?

00:48:58.060 I meant it lovingly.

00:49:00.260 That was probably the most important one, because Trump already tweeting out, we need

00:49:05.220 to defund these guys.

00:49:06.760 They've got to go.

00:49:07.480 There's no point in us funding PBS.

00:49:09.980 And all the Dems had was, but Elmo, but Elmo.

00:49:13.040 Meanwhile, Sesame Street was sold to HBO in 2018.

00:49:17.560 Elmo is going to be just fine.

00:49:20.020 He's in the private sector now.

00:49:21.080 He's doing great.

00:49:25.340 All right.

00:49:26.020 We're going to take a quick break.

00:49:27.140 We'll be right back.

00:49:28.020 The fellows are with me for the full show, and there's a lot more to get to.

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00:50:35.480 There's been a lot of this in the news lately, and so I decided to save this segment for you.

00:50:43.420 And I know we're going to get to Hack Madness, your own special version of March Madness in

00:50:47.080 a minute.

00:50:47.640 But to put us in the mood, this is the appetizer to Hack Madness, I have my own little game for

00:50:53.240 you.

00:50:53.560 And this is more in the field of the Academy Awards.

00:50:57.460 And I really would love for you guys to weigh in on who you think, who you think is, in fact,

00:51:04.880 the best actress in America today, outside of Hollywood, okay?

00:51:11.020 And I have got a couple of contenders for you, all right?

00:51:14.220 I've narrowed it down to four.

00:51:17.020 And I'm going to show you how these people normally sound and then how they sound when

00:51:22.960 they get in front of certain audiences and certain cameras.

00:51:25.640 And you're going to tell me who you think, who wore it best, who fooled you, who's really

00:51:32.300 like, who's phoning it in, and who's really going method, okay?

00:51:37.500 In fourth place, not necessarily fourth place, this is just, I'm going to start with as the

00:51:42.440 fourth possibility, but I've got four total, and you'll decide what order they go in.

00:51:46.440 I'm going to kick it off with AOC, okay?

00:51:50.960 Her real name is Sandy Ocasio.

00:51:53.520 This is what she went by her entire life, Sandy Ocasio, and only when she decided to

00:52:00.020 run for office did she decide to suddenly become Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and lean into

00:52:05.480 her Puerto Rican history, where her mother was born in Puerto Rico, but her father was

00:52:11.480 born in New York City.

00:52:13.040 And she decided to tell us sob stories about how she's from a poor family, and she was

00:52:19.300 living paycheck to paycheck.

00:52:21.240 Meanwhile, she was raised in a Tony part of Westchester called Yorktown Heights.

00:52:26.680 The single family home she grew up in was just sold in 2016 for $355,000.

00:52:31.180 So it's not exactly, you know, food stamp central.

00:52:36.600 She went to Boston University.

00:52:39.460 You know, to hear her tell her story, you'd think she never went to college, right?

00:52:42.200 She was only a bartender.

00:52:43.600 No.

00:52:44.180 She went to Boston University and graduated with a BA in international relations and economics,

00:52:50.420 and then spent some time as a waitress and a bartender.

00:52:54.280 Good for you.

00:52:56.940 Virtually everyone in America did, too.

00:52:59.540 I mean, literally, raise your hand if you had a service personnel job.

00:53:03.000 Oh, my God.

00:53:03.940 Yes.

00:53:04.920 Right.

00:53:05.220 All of us.

00:53:05.780 All five of us.

00:53:06.420 Hello.

00:53:06.940 The difference is we don't run around asking for people to pat us on the back because we

00:53:10.820 did it.

00:53:11.180 It's called being a normal human.

00:53:12.940 When you're young, you take those kinds of jobs, and even when you're older, sometimes

00:53:17.060 you do, to pay your bills.

00:53:18.660 This is called being a normal human, not, oh, woe is me.

00:53:22.700 I worked as a waitress, and I'll get to some of what she's saying around that.

00:53:26.100 But that's her story.

00:53:27.760 Now she makes almost $200,000 a year as a U.S. Congresswoman and is still pretending

00:53:32.800 that she's on her waitress salary.

00:53:34.400 But in any event, here is how she normally sounds when she's speaking and not thinking

00:53:41.700 about who's listening or trying to fool anybody.

00:53:44.820 When Donald Trump tapped into this idea of make America great again, there was times

00:53:55.560 of economic opportunity.

00:53:57.360 Wages rose until the 1970s.

00:54:00.460 They should have taught her at Boston University.

00:54:02.900 It was where.

00:54:03.520 There were times.

00:54:04.300 She was right.

00:54:05.140 You got to get that subject verb agreement.

00:54:06.700 I know it's tough, Sandy.

00:54:07.800 Work on it.

00:54:08.300 Um, that's her, though, sounding relatively normal, relative.

00:54:12.720 Then there's a different version that we've heard a lot more of a lot recently.

00:54:18.540 I'm proud to be a bartender.

00:54:21.740 Ain't nothing wrong with that.

00:54:24.080 Ain't nothing wrong.

00:54:25.340 There's nothing wrong with working retail, folding clothes for other people to buy.

00:54:29.160 And I, for one, am tired of hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself

00:54:37.000 as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day to lift working people out

00:54:45.160 from under the boots of breeze, traveling on our way of life.

00:54:50.520 Our way of life.

00:54:52.400 All right.

00:54:53.120 So you got that in mind?

00:54:56.100 Are we, you're with me?

00:54:56.780 It'd be tough to beat.

00:54:58.240 It is.

00:54:59.160 But we have contenders.

00:55:00.780 All right.

00:55:01.100 Now I'm going to go outside of the political realm for this next one.

00:55:04.700 Um, you'll know her as soon as you see her, I think.

00:55:07.700 Uh, let's play the normal version of the person who, whose name is Hillary, who grew up in a

00:55:16.720 very nice suburb of Boston, going to some Tony rich school that virtually no one else can afford.

00:55:22.240 I think her dad is a dentist.

00:55:24.400 Um, but now goes by Hilaria Baldwin.

00:55:27.820 Here she is sounding like her normal self.

00:55:32.140 It's not easy.

00:55:32.940 And I think part of it is that I'm in shape before I have a baby and then I stay active

00:55:37.220 when I'm pregnant and I, you know, I'm not trying to stay thin.

00:55:40.560 I'm just trying to keep my circulation going and stretching and keep my muscles going up.

00:55:44.200 And then married life is really nice.

00:55:49.700 You know, it feels different.

00:55:51.780 You know that.

00:55:52.400 So please leave my family in peace and let this all play out.

00:55:58.460 We have, um, a, what are you saying?

00:56:01.260 Cucumber.

00:56:01.780 Cucumbers.

00:56:02.380 Aceite oliva.

00:56:03.420 How do you say?

00:56:04.280 We have some olive oil and we have some vinegar.

00:56:08.080 Vinegar.

00:56:09.340 We have some vinegar.

00:56:10.480 That's so much.

00:56:11.460 That's so funny.

00:56:12.880 She sounds like Penelope Cruz.

00:56:15.120 I'm making it tough for you.

00:56:18.060 How do you say cucumber?

00:56:18.860 Yeah.

00:56:19.120 You're such a fucking hypocrite.

00:56:24.680 That's the vinegar.

00:56:26.520 Okay.

00:56:27.380 So already I'm torn.

00:56:29.600 I like, I gotta say, just to be honest, I'm not sure who I like better on best actress,

00:56:34.220 but we've, we've got other contenders.

00:56:35.940 So, you know, keep an open mind, um, this woman all over the news these days, the new

00:56:41.540 spokesperson for the Democrat party, and we all hope the future of it.

00:56:45.140 Um, here's Jasmine Crockett as recently as 2023, again, sounding like a normal person.

00:56:52.900 My mind, I'm thinking I just got to Austin and I had to be five people to get here.

00:56:58.680 It's a huge responsibility.

00:57:00.640 You know, the congressional seat is over four times as large as my house seat.

00:57:05.940 Kind of cute, excited, optimistic, uh, normal hair, normal eyelashes, and probably normal

00:57:14.820 nails, though.

00:57:15.640 They weren't shown in that clip.

00:57:17.020 Flash forward to today's day and age and more recently, and we've done a 180.

00:57:23.840 If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would you say?

00:57:27.240 Fuck off.

00:57:28.100 Now I am tired of the white tears.

00:57:30.020 There has been no oppression for the white man in this country.

00:57:33.780 That it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us, people of color on this side of

00:57:39.180 the aisle, that, that y'all are the ones being oppressed.

00:57:42.840 If you could tell, if you could tell Donald Trump anything tonight, what would you tell

00:57:49.160 him?

00:57:49.340 Stop being Putin's hoe.

00:57:51.120 Unfortunately, we had an opportunity to have a woman leave this country, and I promise

00:57:55.660 you she would have led us to the promised land.

00:57:57.820 But instead, we got somebody that seems like he want to take us to hell and back again.

00:58:02.360 We have someone that is occupying the White House, and as far as I'm concerned, he is an

00:58:07.420 enemy to the United States.

00:58:09.520 We are going to be in your face.

00:58:11.520 We are going to be on your asses.

00:58:13.360 You and your little friend off of Twitter.

00:58:16.060 Y'all about to find out, all right?

00:58:18.060 Y'all about to find out, all right?

00:58:22.200 Do I need to say it again?

00:58:24.500 Because I will.

00:58:25.660 She sounds absolutely nothing like she used to, you guys.

00:58:30.780 Nothing.

00:58:31.700 I mean, that's fake it till you make it.

00:58:33.120 That's how you become the head of the Democrat Party.

00:58:34.960 It's absolute fakery.

00:58:36.460 I have to confess that I love her.

00:58:38.360 Yeah.

00:58:39.640 I do.

00:58:40.620 I just do.

00:58:41.660 I love everything about her.

00:58:42.960 She's fantastic.

00:58:43.940 The best spokesperson for Democrats.

00:58:45.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:46.560 Right?

00:58:47.320 We do.

00:58:47.620 We need a whole lot more of her.

00:58:49.060 It's amazing how she's now, like, street, right?

00:58:51.880 Like, I'm going to whip somebody's head.

00:58:53.980 Okay, sure.

00:58:54.840 We'll look forward to that, Jasmine.

00:58:57.900 Okay.

00:58:59.740 No segment like this would be complete without our fourth candidate.

00:59:02.820 And honestly, she's probably got the inside track, and you'll see why.

00:59:07.960 Here she was, sounding normal.

00:59:11.780 Let's talk about respecting the American people.

00:59:14.420 You respect the American people when you tell them the truth.

00:59:16.740 You respect the American people when you have the courage to be a leader, speaking of those

00:59:22.000 things that you may not want people to hear, but they need to hear.

00:59:26.020 Note how she said courage and hear, where we had ours being used properly.

00:59:32.760 And yet, when she ran for president, having been passed the baton by Joe Biden, very, very different sounding.

00:59:42.580 Here it is.

00:59:43.080 Have you no empathy, man?

00:59:45.880 You know, for the suffering of other people.

00:59:51.780 Have you no sense of purpose?

00:59:54.820 You better thank a union member for sick leave.

00:59:58.200 You better thank a union member for sick leave.

01:00:00.080 You better.

01:00:00.920 Oh, this is so awesome.

01:00:02.320 You better thank a union member for vacation time.

01:00:04.140 You all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.

01:00:09.420 We're gone.

01:00:10.420 Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters.

01:00:15.660 And my sorority.

01:00:17.580 This is a margin of error race.

01:00:20.840 It's tight.

01:00:22.100 I'm going in.

01:00:23.580 Okay.

01:00:24.020 I'm going in.

01:00:25.400 But it's tight.

01:00:26.760 Weeping may endure for a night.

01:00:29.680 This is the best.

01:00:31.020 But joy cometh in the morning.

01:00:35.060 The path may seem hard.

01:00:37.580 The work may seem heavy.

01:00:39.360 But joy cometh in the morning.

01:00:42.320 And church morning is on its way.

01:00:47.060 Oh, man.

01:00:48.520 That's me Saturday night with a bourbon.

01:00:50.900 Come on.

01:00:52.680 Have you no decency, man?

01:00:55.300 Have you no?

01:00:55.900 Come on.

01:00:56.460 You know?

01:00:59.260 A little cool reference for the listener.

01:01:04.720 We're going to win.

01:01:05.940 Who is going to win this little contest, gentlemen?

01:01:08.900 Is there a clear number one?

01:01:10.820 I mean, I just have such secondhand embarrassment every time you play the second half of those

01:01:15.840 clips.

01:01:16.380 You watch it.

01:01:16.900 You have to pick one, Holmes.

01:01:18.380 You have to pick one.

01:01:20.540 I mean, I just, for me, the Hillary, what makes her special is like they all have this

01:01:27.480 beautifully presented juxtaposition.

01:01:32.860 But what makes her special is pretending that she didn't know the word cucumber.

01:01:37.480 That is special.

01:01:38.700 Well, to me, that, I mean, you're talking about.

01:01:42.100 That's a commitment to the bit.

01:01:43.260 That's such a commitment to the bit.

01:01:45.020 Right?

01:01:45.460 I mean, it's like, no, I don't understand the English language.

01:01:47.600 I'm going to pretend that I don't know what a cucumber is.

01:01:51.480 Yeah.

01:01:51.680 You said you love Jasmine Crockett.

01:01:53.520 I love Hilaria.

01:01:55.180 I love her so much.

01:01:56.220 I love that she tries to sound like Penelope Cruz.

01:01:58.200 It makes me want to buy a Cessna and start running drugs.

01:02:00.800 Wait, we're going to come back to Hilaria in one second.

01:02:07.620 But I mean, I feel like you're, you might be giving short shrift to Jasmine, right?

01:02:11.960 Who's like that.

01:02:13.280 The 2023 version is so sweet.

01:02:15.460 You'll like her.

01:02:16.200 You're like, oh, I see why Houstonians said, yeah, let's send this gal to Congress before

01:02:21.460 she was like, bitch, I will cut you.

01:02:24.620 Whoa, wait, what?

01:02:26.440 Here's the thing.

01:02:27.140 What happened?

01:02:28.400 I think, you know, among those selections that you gave us, number one, it overlooks

01:02:33.420 lifetime achievement Hillary Clinton, who famously, when she goes in the South, all of a sudden

01:02:37.960 is a Southerner.

01:02:39.500 But in those choices, three of those people are doing it out of political expediency.

01:02:47.060 They're just your standard run the mill, political crook, trying to pander.

01:02:50.200 Extra points for that, right?

01:02:51.080 Yeah.

01:02:51.460 Well, I take away points.

01:02:52.900 So that's the common place.

01:02:53.780 In DC, it's a dime a dozen finding someone who's going to lie and just play to the audience

01:02:57.220 to get what they want out of them.

01:02:59.080 Hilaria Baldwin is just crazy.

01:03:00.980 She's doing it for the love of the game.

01:03:02.200 Exactly.

01:03:02.660 It is the love of the game.

01:03:04.060 It's so pure.

01:03:05.060 It comes from a pure place of like, I want to be crazy.

01:03:08.640 I'm going to be totally nuts.

01:03:10.800 Yeah.

01:03:11.320 You're right, guys.

01:03:12.280 And Alex totally buys in, right?

01:03:13.440 Like he goes on the late night shows.

01:03:14.700 He's like, you know, my wife, she's from Spain.

01:03:17.300 She's in the kitchen cooking.

01:03:20.080 Literally, she grew up in Boston.

01:03:21.140 Wait, what?

01:03:22.280 She's like, definitely not from Spain.

01:03:26.260 What are you saying?

01:03:29.660 Two Bostonians in this, by the way, which is an interesting, maybe there's a regional issue there.

01:03:35.420 Boston University has just got a reputation of putting out horrible people.

01:03:37.800 Wait, who's the other Bostonian?

01:03:39.260 Seriously, I think this is a known thing.

01:03:41.200 Like a lot of people from Boston University just problems.

01:03:43.620 Problems, problems, problems.

01:03:44.720 It's a known thing.

01:03:46.460 You're going to get hate mail for that.

01:03:48.480 Wait, Holmes, who is the other Bostonian?

01:03:50.800 Hilaria?

01:03:52.200 No, no, BU.

01:03:53.620 You've got AOC.

01:03:55.200 Oh, oh, oh.

01:03:56.860 Alexandria Cortácio-Hotés.

01:03:59.220 Yeah.

01:03:59.700 And I don't think she found that accent until she left Boston, right?

01:04:03.260 I mean, I've seen some clips of her at BU where none of that.

01:04:07.780 Yeah.

01:04:08.060 She was like, looked like a sorority girl.

01:04:10.960 No.

01:04:12.000 Honestly.

01:04:13.340 It's like, it's truly like if, if I were running for mayor of Chicago next year and I'm running

01:04:18.920 around going top of the morning to you.

01:04:23.340 It's obvious what you're doing.

01:04:26.320 Megan's doing that.

01:04:27.120 Oh, hey, what's going on?

01:04:28.540 We just got here in Chicago, just looking out for the crime on the streets and all that.

01:04:33.160 Watching out for my wee ones.

01:04:35.680 Okay.

01:04:37.120 Speaking of Hilaria, I think, so we all agree.

01:04:39.920 Are we all in agreement that Hilaria won?

01:04:41.500 Or would you guys like to disagree?

01:04:43.920 Anybody have anything?

01:04:44.680 Man, it's, it's so hard to disagree with that.

01:04:47.160 Yeah.

01:04:47.340 It is.

01:04:47.940 I, I would say that Kamala deserves special points for doing it on a national stage.

01:04:52.600 When you know everyone is watching.

01:04:54.260 Right.

01:04:54.660 Yeah.

01:04:55.080 And in so many different flavors.

01:04:57.280 Right?

01:04:57.900 That's true.

01:04:58.540 That's true.

01:04:58.560 You ever do.

01:04:59.440 You know what?

01:04:59.840 It's true of a variety.

01:05:01.980 It's worth consideration.

01:05:03.300 Megan is, she's got, she has a, a full spectrum of options.

01:05:07.120 Yeah.

01:05:07.380 I mean, you, if you want Jamaican, we got some of that, right?

01:05:10.320 Totally.

01:05:10.660 We can go urban.

01:05:11.940 We can go, uh, Southern or we can go Southern.

01:05:15.140 Yep.

01:05:15.560 I mean, there's versatility.

01:05:16.600 That's the best actor.

01:05:17.840 Yeah.

01:05:18.040 It's multiple personality disorder.

01:05:22.020 No, but like if you're a Hollywood casting agent.

01:05:25.220 It's dexterity and talent.

01:05:26.760 Like if you're, if you're casting for SNL, that's, you gotta, you gotta go with Kamala.

01:05:30.760 She can, she can do any bit.

01:05:32.680 You know, we can go Rastafarian.

01:05:34.720 I have, you know, Decent Simon, right?

01:05:37.100 We can go Latina.

01:05:38.280 We can go preacher.

01:05:39.780 We can do the Black Sant.

01:05:41.480 Whatever's that.

01:05:41.960 I don't know what she's doing there with her little urban, whatever.

01:05:45.260 Seamlessly transitions from Bob Marley to MLK.

01:05:49.400 It's amazing.

01:05:50.220 And you're right.

01:05:51.200 There it is.

01:05:51.500 That accent.

01:05:52.400 It's like her channeling, John Ossoff channeling Barack Obama.

01:05:55.980 So it's like a copy of a copy, you know, it's not a third rate.

01:06:01.160 All right.

01:06:02.080 So while we're on the subject of Hilaria, she and Alec have this, this reality TV show.

01:06:07.580 It must not be doing well because they're clearly now making a point of doing and saying

01:06:12.980 very weird things to try to get into segments like the one that I'm doing right now.

01:06:17.360 And, um, it's working because they're very strange people.

01:06:20.820 And, uh, the following clip went everywhere.

01:06:23.020 We could have raised it earlier in the week, but we saved it for our friends from the Variety

01:06:29.120 program.

01:06:29.900 And you will see us.

01:06:31.780 I've seen one of the loves of her life naked.

01:06:33.760 About the love of her.

01:06:34.720 He was one of the loves of her life.

01:06:36.300 I mean, we go see him on Broadway and he was naked.

01:06:38.500 We went to go see Take Me Out, the musical that our dear friend Scott Ellis directed.

01:06:42.620 And all these baseball players were in the locker room and they were all turned around

01:06:45.740 naked with their dongs hanging out.

01:06:47.640 And he's there, her boyfriend.

01:06:49.480 And I recognize him.

01:06:50.300 I met him before.

01:06:50.640 And when he turns around with his personality hanging out, I'm like,

01:06:53.020 Oh, oh, oh, okay.

01:06:57.840 He had like a clarinet hanging from his pants.

01:07:01.180 The guy literally turns around and you're all like, ah, ah.

01:07:06.080 Whoa.

01:07:07.280 We go out into the lobby.

01:07:08.520 We meet them all.

01:07:09.220 And her boyfriend comes in.

01:07:10.080 I'm like, hey, how you doing?

01:07:11.400 And I was like, I'm going to stay over here.

01:07:13.960 And you can't pay attention to what he's saying.

01:07:16.900 He's standing right here talking to me.

01:07:18.040 I'm sitting, looking, looking, I'm going, and he's looking at me going, yeah, you know,

01:07:21.380 the show and this and that.

01:07:22.740 And I'm like, you have like a baseball bat that you stuff into your pants every day.

01:07:28.180 How would that work for you?

01:07:29.980 Well, let's move on from that section.

01:07:36.880 Oh, that's good TV.

01:07:38.140 He ends it with saying, man, it had to be said.

01:07:45.640 It had to be said.

01:07:48.560 There's a lot going on there.

01:07:50.680 Is dong an appropriate word for the fellow down south in Rio?

01:07:55.880 I thought that was much more of a dated reference from like 16 candles.

01:07:59.640 Dong, is that still in the vernacular?

01:08:01.480 You know, we've got a lot that we explore on this topic, probably not appropriate for

01:08:07.580 the SiriusXM crowd, but we have many nicknames that we could probably share with people.

01:08:13.380 Dong is a pretty common vernacular, but not necessarily one that you would use to describe

01:08:18.560 your wife's ex-boyfriend.

01:08:21.000 But in general, you're telling me it's still in favor.

01:08:23.440 This is good to know.

01:08:24.300 How about the personality?

01:08:26.540 He referred to it as the personality.

01:08:28.360 He turned around with his personality out.

01:08:30.620 Is that?

01:08:31.380 That's got to be a new one.

01:08:32.540 That's new to me.

01:08:34.260 Also new, and I thought innovative, was the clarinet.

01:08:37.600 Right.

01:08:38.140 That was something that was brand new.

01:08:41.020 That makes it sound like there's somewhat of a skin problem.

01:08:46.540 Also alludes to how it was used, perhaps.

01:08:51.100 Oh.

01:08:54.620 I'm sorry.

01:08:55.680 You know what?

01:08:56.260 This is a classy show.

01:08:58.360 I'm sorry.

01:09:00.300 And then what was the last thing?

01:09:01.640 Oh, the baseball bat.

01:09:02.640 The baseball bat.

01:09:03.900 Because it really hurt Alec.

01:09:05.660 I think that's why that came to mind.

01:09:07.180 It really hurt him.

01:09:08.480 Yeah.

01:09:08.820 You don't want to think about stuff like that.

01:09:10.700 Has anybody, has anyone given a moment's thought to those that came before them with

01:09:16.960 their spouse?

01:09:17.980 I don't, I'm not sure this is, maybe it's just because you haven't seen them naked.

01:09:22.300 Well, he keeps referring to the guy as her boyfriend, like present tense.

01:09:27.980 And all it did was remind me of President Trump.

01:09:31.700 What's the name of that dinner that happens in New York?

01:09:34.700 Al Smith.

01:09:34.960 Al Smith's dinner, where he was like, I'm talking about the dudes for Kamala.

01:09:39.180 You know, they're all voting for Kamala.

01:09:40.320 Al, that's fine because all their wives and wives' boyfriends are voting for me.

01:09:45.280 Alec Baldwin, I think he was talking about you.

01:09:48.000 That's probably right.

01:09:49.680 I don't know what's going on in that strange relationship, but I do know they're actively

01:09:54.100 seeking attention because they need ratings on their show.

01:09:56.760 Okay.

01:09:57.700 I feel like I would be remiss if I did not mention, as we're talking about people who have

01:10:04.380 changed themselves dramatically, in mentioning a Republican controversy today that involves

01:10:10.640 Kristi Noem.

01:10:12.700 So Kristi Noem is our Department of Homeland Security head, as you know.

01:10:17.400 She's a controversial pick.

01:10:19.200 The reason she wasn't chosen for vice president was probably that ridiculous memoir.

01:10:23.880 She wrote, confessing to killing her puppy, Cricket, who she shot in the face for no

01:10:29.180 reason, right after, before she killed their goat.

01:10:33.340 And I don't know, like a set of horses.

01:10:36.280 No, not really.

01:10:36.940 No horses died, just the puppy and the family goat.

01:10:40.380 And then the daughter got off the bus and was like, where's Cricket?

01:10:43.480 Anyway, there was that.

01:10:45.240 There was an alleged affair with Corey Lewandowski, which was reported by the Daily Mail, which we

01:10:49.420 talked about in the show.

01:10:50.200 Well, she got probably downgraded off of VP and she got made DHS.

01:10:54.420 And I said to this audience, well, I will be rooting for her because that is a very big

01:10:58.720 job.

01:10:59.520 And what we've seen so far is a lot of photo ops.

01:11:05.240 Okay.

01:11:05.480 She went on, was it Fox News, wearing her like FBI DHS jacket?

01:11:10.260 Like she just finished a field operation while she was actually doing the arrests.

01:11:14.660 Like that's cosplaying.

01:11:16.480 All right.

01:11:16.680 We'll show you that picture when we get it.

01:11:19.060 Then we saw her out there rounding up illegals on her horse with her cowboy hat, which I said,

01:11:25.860 all right, I'm going to have to give her a pass on that because she actually was raised

01:11:29.800 on a ranch in South Dakota.

01:11:32.080 That's not necessarily cosplaying, right?

01:11:34.980 Like that could.

01:11:36.020 But it was obviously a curated photo op that she put together to make sure she look.

01:11:41.360 And in all of this, she's got false eyelashes, heavy eyeliner, the big lips with all the gloss,

01:11:47.000 the heavy blush.

01:11:48.600 You know, she's camera ready.

01:11:49.640 Like I would be for doing a television hit, but maybe not while I was riding the horses

01:11:54.240 and like capturing illegals.

01:11:57.100 And then she went next level last night.

01:12:00.620 By the way, this is after she got in trouble for like being a spokesperson for a dental office

01:12:04.660 when she was still the governor of South Dakota and showing off her fake veneers, which she's

01:12:09.740 really proud of.

01:12:10.560 Like she's very obsessed with the new look, which is dramatically different than the old

01:12:14.400 look.

01:12:14.660 And then we see her last night dropping this video from that El Salvadorian prison.

01:12:25.580 Watch.

01:12:27.560 I also want everybody to know if you come to our country illegally, this is one of the

01:12:31.540 consequences you could face.

01:12:33.260 First of all, do not come to our country illegally.

01:12:36.380 You will be removed and you will be prosecuted.

01:12:39.080 But know that this facility is one of the tools in our toolkit that we will use if you commit

01:12:43.880 crimes against the American people.

01:12:45.160 Okay.

01:12:46.860 Standing behind her in a cage are dozens of shirtless prisoners in the El Salvadorian jail

01:12:57.960 looking kind of scared, confused.

01:13:02.800 They're being used as props for her photo op in her skin tight shirt with their hair perfectly

01:13:10.240 curled and coiffed and again, the makeup as she tries to sound tough with these prisoners

01:13:17.720 behind her as her background, as like truly her human props in her photo.

01:13:25.300 And I'm telling you, you guys, it's fucked up.

01:13:28.480 I have no empathy for Venezuelan gang members who wound up in an El Salvadorian jail.

01:13:36.640 But this is messed up.

01:13:40.420 I mean, truly, like to use them in this way as her backdrop to show us how cool she is and

01:13:46.380 how tough she is, is gross and utterly unhelpful to those of us who have been out there arguing that Trump is within his rights

01:13:57.460 to round up these illegal eagles in America and send them there with very limited due process.

01:14:05.780 Utterly unhelpful.

01:14:07.800 So any thoughts on that?

01:14:11.080 You know, she's had a tendency in recent years.

01:14:14.180 I mean, she started as a congresswoman from South Dakota.

01:14:17.020 A wonderful, like I've got to know her staff and whatnot a little bit on Capitol Hill.

01:14:22.580 But in recent years, if she's got a major glaring weakness, it's that she gets out in front a little too public of a way.

01:14:30.620 I mean, one of the things that caught my eye early on in the administration was them deciding that they were going to run a bunch of public service announcements

01:14:37.780 using, you know, taxpayer dollars, but with her basically to camera.

01:14:41.880 And I think the challenge for that is you're in Donald Trump's administration and Donald Trump's the star of this show, right?

01:14:50.720 It's it's not Kristi Noem.

01:14:52.900 And I think everybody sort of understands that, at least it seems that this administration understands that a lot better than the first time around.

01:14:59.860 But but but but she's kind of getting herself into a territory where it's a little overexposed.

01:15:05.660 I mean, everybody knows that Tom Holman is walking around literally showing up in a different place every day, deporting some incredibly violent gang member somewhere.

01:15:14.780 And he's getting the job done.

01:15:16.000 And, you know, his only publicity at all is when some journo asks him a horrible question and he just dresses him down and moves on.

01:15:23.800 Right. I think that's a better approach.

01:15:25.480 I if I don't remember another DHS secretary showing up for TV hits like this.

01:15:32.560 Hold on. We'll put it on the board, like trying to look like look at her with the long dangling earrings and the hat and like the the jacket.

01:15:43.100 This is the whole thing feels like an act.

01:15:47.220 And I'm all for women taking over these powerful, tough, important positions, but I'm embarrassed for how she's presenting herself while doing it.

01:15:56.740 Like maybe it's time. And as you know, like I look, I'm not really in a position to cast stones here from my made up face at my desk.

01:16:04.700 But I can guarantee you that if I became secretary of Homeland Security, I would not be laying on the lip gloss, the lashes and the blush before I started talking about illegals.

01:16:20.020 I made sure wound up in El Salvador or cosplaying up with my DHS where before I went on Fox News.

01:16:28.260 This is a deeply insecure person. And I'm sorry, but it doesn't.

01:16:33.680 Who are we if we only have honest talk for the left?

01:16:37.120 This is honest talk from someone who's a Trump supporter that he needs to rein her in because she's becoming an embarrassment.

01:16:43.640 It's all a little much, you know, all of the stuff, the ads that, you know, that the video in front of the prison.

01:16:50.500 And the reason why, back to Holmes's point, is like it seems sort of excessive in spiking the football and you're getting out ahead of the Trump administration.

01:16:57.780 Let Donald Trump talk about how he wants to talk about the El Salvadorian.

01:17:01.280 And by the way, there's ongoing litigation, litigation over exactly what it is that she's talking about there.

01:17:06.800 I mean, that guarantee you, I guarantee you will be entered as an exhibit in that courtroom.

01:17:13.420 The one thing I would say in her defense, the one thing I would say in her defense is like the PSAs, if it gets people to self-deport, fantastic.

01:17:21.740 If that video, you know, in front of those criminals gets less migrants to try to cross the border and smuggle drugs into this country.

01:17:28.900 Good. I take your point. I see that.

01:17:31.680 And actually, I in her defense, when she put that out last night, it's getting way more likes than it is getting criticism.

01:17:38.060 And most of the people criticizing it are like on the left and against this policy to begin with.

01:17:42.640 So I think I'm in a unique spot because I actually support this policy and I want more illegal gang members deported to El Salvador.

01:17:49.380 However, the way to convince Judge Boseberg, who will be the ultimate trier of fact on this, that we're not winning this fight right now.

01:17:58.080 We just lost to the Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court may not take it immediately.

01:18:02.380 So Judge Boseberg is in control at the moment, is really not to give him more reasons to suspect what kind of treatment they're going to have down in El Salvador.

01:18:12.640 And to take them and make them look like little lab rats behind prison bars looking dazed and confused and shirtless as she stands there totally glammed to the nines is a bad fucking move.

01:18:27.820 I can say this as a lawyer. This is not what you'd want introduced into the record, Christy.

01:18:35.420 And what should have been done, Duncan, to your point on deterrence, is let's let's stick with the video we have that's already out there of the prisoners being processed.

01:18:44.700 It's bad enough, frankly, of them bent over and being like, you know, put assembly line as they get checked out and yeah, and put into the prison.

01:18:54.100 Like, I'm not really that comfortable with that, but it's fine. Like, these are gang members. These are fucking people who killed Americans.

01:18:59.040 So, you know, cry me a river, some of them. But there is a debate about who got in there that shouldn't have.

01:19:05.020 There were two mistakes made. A woman got in and she was sent back home.

01:19:09.620 A guy from Nicaragua, who clearly is not a Venezuelan gang member, got in and he was sent back home.

01:19:14.600 Anyway, I'm just saying right now we're debating over how much due process they should get while we figure out whether they really are Trenda Aragua

01:19:21.480 and whether we should have shipped them to this prison. And shots of them looking, maybe it's for the camera, but like scared and disoriented and a little shell-shocked aren't helpful.

01:19:34.640 Okay, that's my take on the matter. Feel free to disagree. My audience often does with me, but that's what we love about each other.

01:19:42.380 Megan at MeganKelley.com.

01:19:43.660 Can I just have one second to be?

01:19:45.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, Simone.

01:19:46.920 Not the voice of rationality like you have been. I support it.

01:19:51.480 I support it.

01:19:53.080 That's good. I like it.

01:19:53.640 I know it's a bad take, but I like it and I support it.

01:19:56.480 All the Democrats at their debate raised their hands and said, I'll give illegals free health care.

01:20:01.020 You know, if you have an attractive woman, it gets more eyes online.

01:20:04.040 And what they're going to see is, shoot, if I try to enter the country illegally, I'm going to end up in this cage with a bunch of terrible people and that doesn't look fun.

01:20:11.820 I know it's absolutely bad for the legal system.

01:20:14.760 And I'm counting on the Supreme Court to hurry up and do its job and help us out there.

01:20:18.640 We can make bad decisions along the way.

01:20:20.260 We can have a little bit of fun.

01:20:21.480 This is our resident nihilist.

01:20:25.720 He's the devil on our shoulders.

01:20:27.260 It's funny because I'm really against these people.

01:20:29.700 And I trust in Tom Homan's ability to figure out whether they're Venezuelan gang members.

01:20:33.320 I really do.

01:20:34.360 He is not running around willy-nilly just picking random Hispanics as the left would have you believe.

01:20:39.280 Right.

01:20:39.480 But it's another thing to put that on display and ask Americans to be like, all right, sure, I'm fine with zero due process before we do that.

01:20:51.200 Right?

01:20:51.280 Because that's really what Trump is asking for under the Alien Enemies Act.

01:20:54.620 And look, I've defended it repeatedly on the show.

01:20:57.080 But I just feel like maybe it's a woman thing.

01:21:02.320 You know, maybe I'm too soft.

01:21:03.280 But for me, that was too much.

01:21:06.620 It was like, you look like you're on the backs of people who are in a lot of trouble.

01:21:14.080 We understand that.

01:21:15.180 And most of us are okay with them having to sort that out.

01:21:17.880 But you look like you're trying to make it into a photo op about you looking tough as opposed to a serious and sober legal issue that we're really regretful we have to deal with.

01:21:33.280 But we do have to deal with things to Joe Biden.

01:21:35.980 And you should not look like this is a fun thing for you to do.

01:21:39.580 And you're going to wear your skin tight shirt and go down there and try to look hot and threatening.

01:21:44.540 I just, it's to me is a big turn off.

01:21:46.260 Okay, sorry, stole the last word, but I appreciate the disagreement and keep them coming.

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01:24:11.780 So Hack Madness is a play on March Madness.

01:24:17.120 And I liked the top four, your number one seeds, this is for hacks in the media, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, are Nicole Wallace, Eugene Daniels of Politico, but now he's got a show on MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell, and Margaret Brennan.

01:24:36.600 I like it.

01:24:37.300 I like it a lot.

01:24:38.420 Big year for CBS.

01:24:39.880 I mean, Smug is our resident bracketologist here.

01:24:44.200 We all put a lot of work into the seedings this year.

01:24:47.780 This is our fifth annual, Megan, and every year it's a body of work, right?

01:24:53.180 You got to do a lot of things throughout a calendar year in order to qualify for the tournament.

01:24:58.120 Then we seed you appropriately on how we thought you did throughout the year.

01:25:01.440 And that's the thing is, so, I mean, it starts with 66.

01:25:03.640 We have two playing games.

01:25:04.540 We're talking about it's the same size as March Madness.

01:25:06.500 There are 64 hacks that are going head to head.

01:25:09.280 It gets voted on online on X.

01:25:11.380 It's huge.

01:25:11.980 I mean, we've so far had, you know, throughout the history of these over 10 million votes cast.

01:25:16.300 So, I mean, it's bigger than some congressional races in terms of the number of race votes that go into this.

01:25:21.120 But also, it's so great because I tag every single one of these hacks.

01:25:26.320 I add them on X every single time.

01:25:30.140 And very frequently I get blocked.

01:25:32.240 They start tweeting about how mad they are.

01:25:33.900 They're like, I'm so unbiased.

01:25:35.440 And then, without fail, they get all these replies of screenshots of, like, Russiagate nonsense and everything else.

01:25:41.280 But like Holmes said, it's their previous year's body of work that goes into deciding it.

01:25:45.320 And I think, to me, the story of this year is that two CBS people got the number one seat in each of their divisions.

01:25:54.080 Further, they were the two who also managed a vice president debate.

01:25:58.460 Like, this has to stop, too.

01:26:00.040 Yeah, it's really remarkable.

01:26:02.460 Yeah, this is like that trans movie about the Colombian guy who wanted to be trans and they got all the nominations.

01:26:08.540 That's CBS right now.

01:26:09.740 They got all the nominations.

01:26:11.420 But I do.

01:26:13.760 I mean, I have one bone to pick because it seems that the latest matchup has this Eugene Daniels up against Don Lemon, who's only an eight seed.

01:26:22.420 What kind of disrespect is that to Don Lemon's hackness?

01:26:24.880 This is very, very, very important, Megan.

01:26:27.560 We have a proprietary methodology.

01:26:29.740 In college basketball, Ken Pomeroy has this Ken Palm, which he uses as like a quotient to rank basketball teams.

01:26:36.660 We have this methodology that includes everything from, like, how liberal they are.

01:26:41.140 Exposure.

01:26:41.640 How crazy they are.

01:26:43.140 How much of a liar they are.

01:26:44.620 And then exposure.

01:26:45.660 And, like, Don Lemon dropped in the seeding because his quotient and exposure has gone down a little.

01:26:51.680 He's been fired twice.

01:26:53.060 Yeah.

01:26:53.780 I've never seen Duncan this animated about any other subject that we've ever discussed with him.

01:26:58.120 I put a lot of thought into this.

01:26:59.540 It included a lot of work.

01:27:01.700 It included a lot of numbers.

01:27:02.820 I might be on the spectrum.

01:27:04.200 You know, now, is it going to be is it like the NCAA March Madness where we've learned this year there's no more Cinderella stories because it's basically because we're allowing the athletes to make money.

01:27:16.500 And so they can switch to schools and they're leaving their small schools and they're all going to the big schools.

01:27:20.920 Good comparison.

01:27:21.720 So is that what's happening in Hack Madness, too?

01:27:24.200 Or could there be a sleeper surprise?

01:27:25.660 Like, I would say Eugene Daniels kind of a sleeper surprise.

01:27:28.620 Most people not a household name.

01:27:30.220 No, not a household name.

01:27:31.720 I mean, there's an inherent bias, as we've done this over five years, for people who are on TV.

01:27:36.520 They're recognizable.

01:27:37.920 All the crazy stuff that they've done is visual so people can actually see it.

01:27:42.540 There's an inherent bias against print, whose body of work, might I say, is extraordinary.

01:27:47.600 But they don't get the kind of representation that's necessary to make it all the way to the final four and this kind of thing.

01:27:53.620 We're hoping that that sort of works its way out a little bit.

01:27:56.280 But there's only like six print journalists left after one round.

01:28:00.000 And so, yeah, I mean, this is, you know, household names go a long way.

01:28:04.260 And there were some newcomers that went down really hard in the first round.

01:28:07.540 And I'm telling you, I mean, as much as some of these people have tried their best, they are not going to overcome Margaret Brennan.

01:28:14.460 She has done yeoman's work building towards this championship.

01:28:18.540 And I don't think she's going to be denied this year.

01:28:20.500 A real powerhouse.

01:28:21.720 Wait, what?

01:28:22.180 Did Jeffrey Goldberg even make the dance?

01:28:24.180 He was probably not even on your radar.

01:28:25.540 No, he was a bubble team.

01:28:26.840 He was a bubble team.

01:28:27.620 He was a bubble team, but it happened, all of this happened a week after the bracket came out.

01:28:32.800 And so.

01:28:33.440 Sorry, sir.

01:28:34.040 Sorry.

01:28:34.920 Late submission.

01:28:35.940 He could have been, you know, in terms of what he's done lately.

01:28:39.320 Yeah.

01:28:39.900 Serious contender.

01:28:41.380 After that, we played at the top of the show.

01:28:43.820 I could have elevated him a couple of seeds at least.

01:28:46.800 I know.

01:28:48.060 You, we have some upsets.

01:28:49.080 We have some.

01:28:49.680 This is breaking news because the next round of Hack Madness is currently live on X.

01:28:54.580 Everyone visit comfortably smugged on X and vote.

01:28:56.000 Can people still get in on this, you guys?

01:28:57.800 Or is it too late?

01:28:58.320 You can still vote, yeah.

01:28:58.940 You know, like NCAA.

01:29:00.020 Yeah, you can still vote.

01:29:00.160 Well, where do they go?

01:29:01.420 Well, Eugene.

01:29:02.600 You vote at comfortably smug on X.

01:29:04.960 I had it pinned right on my profile.

01:29:06.780 Yeah.

01:29:07.120 I mean, Eugene Daniels right now is losing to Don Lemon.

01:29:10.540 He's a one seed.

01:29:11.660 Don Lemon's an eight seed.

01:29:12.740 Upset.

01:29:13.320 Support it.

01:29:13.680 Support it.

01:29:13.900 Anna Navarro's beating Chris Hayes.

01:29:16.220 Oh, that's surprising.

01:29:17.220 Oh.

01:29:17.400 That's very surprising.

01:29:19.780 Keith Olberman is beating Sonny Hostin.

01:29:22.080 She was a two seed.

01:29:22.960 Boy, she did a lot of work this year.

01:29:25.360 The view is really, like, the power of the view has really started to weigh.

01:29:28.500 Yeah.

01:29:29.080 Well, and Joy, what's her name, got from the view, got knocked out.

01:29:33.660 Joy Behar.

01:29:34.020 Joy Behar.

01:29:34.640 Joy Behar.

01:29:35.560 What about Joy?

01:29:36.200 What'd you do with Joy Reid?

01:29:37.440 Because now no visibility, but I mean, very high up on the hackery scale.

01:29:42.020 Body of work throughout the year, right?

01:29:43.780 She had that kind of visibility throughout a calendar year, and so she richly deserved it.

01:29:47.980 Well, and it's paying off for Anna Navarro, right, because in addition to, like, that,

01:29:51.480 she's also going on, like, Bill Maher, and she's on CNN a lot, and so all that visibility

01:29:55.560 means she's going to make a long run here in the tournament.

01:29:57.600 All to crown the biggest hack in all of political reporting.

01:30:00.740 Who did you guys pick?

01:30:01.600 You know how we have to pick our number one?

01:30:02.800 This year, I went with Duke for all sorts of reasons on the other bracket, which has

01:30:06.820 completely collapsed, by the way, my bracket.

01:30:08.980 But who do you guys have for number one?

01:30:10.840 Did you all pick different people?

01:30:12.320 I think we might have picked different people.

01:30:13.820 I will say I had three CBS people in my final four, but I ultimately ended up going with

01:30:19.120 Nicole Wallace.

01:30:20.100 I thought her making fun of the kid at the State of the Union was just a recency bias,

01:30:28.780 perhaps, but sometimes that propels a team.

01:30:31.340 I have to go with Margaret Brennan.

01:30:33.720 She goes in day in, day out with the hackery.

01:30:37.380 It started her, like, Cinderella run started as a VP debate, and then you saw things, as

01:30:43.120 recent as when she tried to go after Marco Rubio on Sunday, like, she keeps at it week

01:30:47.900 after week with the hackery.

01:30:49.080 Humiliation finish.

01:30:49.740 Yeah, I'm with Smug on this.

01:30:51.700 I'm counting on America's love of J.D. Vance, America's love of memes, and America's hatred

01:30:57.500 of Margaret.

01:30:58.740 Margaret.

01:30:59.180 You know, I don't really care, Margaret.

01:31:01.340 I don't care, Margaret.

01:31:02.280 It was a huge moment.

01:31:03.760 It became the whole thing.

01:31:04.940 I'm also a big believer in Margaret Brennan this year.

01:31:07.420 You know, this tournament.

01:31:08.540 Yeah, I did.

01:31:09.240 Big believer.

01:31:09.380 Because this tournament is about the big moments, like what she did in the debate.

01:31:13.100 It's also about doing, you know, what you're doing when nobody else is watching.

01:31:16.980 Day in, day out.

01:31:17.620 That's her show.

01:31:18.560 Nobody watches her show.

01:31:20.240 But in the big moments, you know, when, like, Marco Rubio dunks on her or J.D. Vance dunks

01:31:26.260 on her, that's on X.

01:31:27.480 People see it.

01:31:28.240 She's performing well then, too.

01:31:29.700 So I'm telling you, I think this is hers to lose.

01:31:33.100 Yeah.

01:31:33.300 Who was it, which blonde news anchor was it, who said to J.D., like, only two, only a

01:31:41.800 cup, a few apartment buildings have been taken over by the Venezuelan gangs.

01:31:46.480 Who was that, Steve?

01:31:47.780 Was it Martha Raddatz?

01:31:48.240 It might have been Martha Raddatz.

01:31:49.260 Yeah, it was Martha Raddatz.

01:31:49.980 I think it was Martha Raddatz.

01:31:51.260 We didn't see enough of her this year.

01:31:51.860 She should get an honorable mention in there.

01:31:53.960 Yeah, we didn't see enough of her.

01:31:56.140 But she was a bubble team.

01:31:57.100 The exposure's low.

01:31:58.460 Yeah, she could be a bubble.

01:31:59.480 Yeah.

01:31:59.900 Yeah.

01:32:00.460 I mean, Catherine Mayer.

01:32:01.560 It's tough.

01:32:01.820 If Marr, she got in there super late, you know, media executive.

01:32:05.840 God, if she had just had this testimony, what might have been?

01:32:09.560 In any event, we'll continue.

01:32:10.380 I will tell you, Megan, there's one really special Cinderella story in this year's tournament.

01:32:15.940 A former champion who had not made the bracket for a couple of years due to an unfortunate

01:32:20.240 employment situation has made a return and is now working his way through the bracket,

01:32:25.240 the potato himself, Brian Stelter.

01:32:27.080 Such a story.

01:32:28.200 Gets fired by CNN, begs his way back.

01:32:30.420 Yeah.

01:32:30.740 Yeah.

01:32:30.880 I mean, it's a three seed, I'm told.

01:32:32.940 It's what's built this country.

01:32:36.120 How can you root against him?

01:32:37.960 I can only imagine the halftime speech he's giving the rest of the team.

01:32:41.980 Great.

01:32:42.760 While we're on the subject of actresses and awards and hacks, do we have a moment for Rachel

01:32:49.180 Zegler and Snow White?

01:32:50.340 Because there is an update in that story today.

01:32:54.020 There was an in-depth piece, like a behind the scenes piece.

01:32:57.960 Was it Variety?

01:32:59.440 Talking about how they've been in a full meltdown about this girl for a couple of years now.

01:33:06.460 And how they had her tweet out like a little, yay, Snow White, can't wait, so excited, I

01:33:12.960 love to play her.

01:33:13.840 And she did it and got like millions of views and they were like, good job, Rachel.

01:33:18.760 And then she like minutes later followed it up with, and never forget, Free Palestine.

01:33:24.080 This is just like a few months after 10-7.

01:33:27.520 It was like, it hadn't even been a year.

01:33:28.680 And they were like, my God, what?

01:33:33.720 Isn't her co-star Jewish?

01:33:35.980 Yes.

01:33:36.200 Yes.

01:33:36.640 Gal Gadot.

01:33:37.340 Gadot.

01:33:37.800 Gadot.

01:33:38.300 I mean, wow.

01:33:40.560 She's Jewish.

01:33:41.620 And apparently this actually, all hell broke loose.

01:33:46.200 Gal started getting death threats.

01:33:49.480 She's Israeli.

01:33:50.880 And I think served in the IDF.

01:33:52.880 She did.

01:33:53.340 And they tried, they flew an executive, one of the producers, out to go visit personally

01:33:58.420 with Rachel Zegler to say, could you please take that down?

01:34:01.900 Because we understand you can have your political views, but those aren't really helpful while

01:34:05.740 you're trying to build an audience for a movie.

01:34:07.620 Maybe you can save them for like your diary and your friends, but like maybe not, maybe just

01:34:11.600 take the tweet down.

01:34:12.640 And she wouldn't.

01:34:14.260 And then they had to hire a special media consultant for her to follow her around all the time and

01:34:19.940 make sure she didn't continue shitting on Snow White and The Prince and Young Love and

01:34:26.120 Women Who Want to Get Married and Steven Spielberg, the executive producer of her previous movie

01:34:31.300 and white people who she claims wanted to know if she was really a Latina on her first movie.

01:34:37.760 Like the list was really long.

01:34:40.600 And then the son of that producer who got on the plane to go over and say, would you please,

01:34:46.800 for the love of God, take this down and she wouldn't, was all on Instagram yesterday admitting

01:34:53.420 it all.

01:34:54.320 There were a variety of report being like, of course, what would you do when you have this

01:34:57.820 narcissistic nightmare trying to ruin a film that you've put hundreds of millions of dollars

01:35:03.580 into that's employing all these working class people?

01:35:06.640 She refused to keep her fat mouth shut.

01:35:09.660 It was a great spilling of the tea.

01:35:12.720 And so I don't think she's in the running toward the real Academy Awards.

01:35:19.320 She wasn't, right?

01:35:20.160 She was not nominated for this past year because the film hadn't come out.

01:35:23.620 But you tell me, you know, you're not Hollywood guys, but you are political oddsmen.

01:35:28.920 So what do you think the odds are of this person working ever again?

01:35:34.940 I don't know.

01:35:35.640 Doesn't it seem like it's almost a prerequisite in Hollywood?

01:35:38.220 I mean, maybe things have changed a little bit.

01:35:39.840 They are, didn't they, Megan, tell me, isn't this the one where they actually took the

01:35:43.840 dwarves out of the seven dwarves?

01:35:45.400 Yes.

01:35:45.940 We have CGI dwarves now.

01:35:48.400 Okay.

01:35:48.920 Yeah.

01:35:49.300 Yeah.

01:35:49.540 Because little people didn't need jobs either.

01:35:51.640 Yeah.

01:35:51.900 But, but it's, it's Peter Dinklage wanted the whole field to himself and went out there

01:35:55.900 and was like, this is insulting.

01:35:57.760 Unless it's me.

01:35:58.960 He kicked the ladder.

01:36:00.380 Yeah.

01:36:00.560 He got his money in Hollywood.

01:36:01.940 Now he's like, don't hire anyone.

01:36:02.480 Oh, nicely done, Smug.

01:36:03.580 The ladder.

01:36:03.960 That was nicely done.

01:36:05.640 That was low.

01:36:06.220 No, but I mean, he got his money acting as a little person.

01:36:11.340 Now he's saying it's demeaning for them to have those roles.

01:36:13.640 He acted as a dwarf on like the most popular show on TV for 10 years, made millions of dollars.

01:36:18.180 Now he's like, how dare people hire dwarves to act as dwarves?

01:36:21.100 It's ridiculous.

01:36:22.000 He got his money and they kicked the ladder down behind him.

01:36:23.980 The thing that really shocks me about this story, you know, Disney and all these media

01:36:29.400 companies, they invest hundreds of millions of dollars into these projects.

01:36:33.720 Right.

01:36:35.040 Have they ever thought about maybe like a little bit of like, I don't know, vulnerability

01:36:38.760 study, opposition research, that sort of thing before you go and hire some Zoomer who's

01:36:44.180 a lunatic?

01:36:44.980 Yeah, but they're all lunatic.

01:36:46.220 I mean, how many people in Hollywood, maybe not to this extent, but how many people do you

01:36:51.540 hear about actors you love?

01:36:53.100 You love what?

01:36:53.560 Look at Robert De Niro.

01:36:54.440 I love like basically every movie he's ever done.

01:36:56.500 Every time that guy opens his mouth as a private citizen, I'm like, oh my God, you can't

01:37:01.280 possibly believe that.

01:37:02.560 You know what I mean?

01:37:03.800 So it's like, if you're trying to vulnerability study it, where do you start?

01:37:08.920 Yeah.

01:37:09.680 I mean, I think the problem is-

01:37:10.820 I don't think they're all this bad.

01:37:11.600 I think most young ingenues can be scared into just being quiet until the movie comes

01:37:18.160 out, at least.

01:37:18.600 Like, please give the movie a chance, understanding that Republicans buy sneakers too, you know,

01:37:24.080 to quote Michael Jordan.

01:37:25.320 Like, just give it a chance.

01:37:25.560 And there are a few actors now that are less afraid of sort of showing their conservative

01:37:31.160 It's also a generational thing.

01:37:32.700 I mean, her generation has basically grown up being told every opinion you have, post

01:37:40.700 it online, share it with the world.

01:37:42.300 You're the most special person.

01:37:43.780 The world revolves around you.

01:37:45.140 Everyone has to change to fit your beliefs because you're so special and you're so important

01:37:50.000 and everything you say is validated and that's your truth.

01:37:52.040 And that's not going away anytime soon.

01:37:54.540 The other problem is Disney keeps doing this shit.

01:37:57.520 Yeah.

01:37:57.780 They don't care how many times they lose money.

01:37:59.660 I mean, this is-

01:38:00.440 They're going to learn a lesson on this one, though.

01:38:02.040 I don't think so.

01:38:02.720 I mean, they're projected to lose between $200 million and $400 million on this.

01:38:06.080 I mean, they're still not going to learn their lesson.

01:38:08.300 About a third of what Democrats lost on Kamala Harris.

01:38:11.160 And I will tell you that I think that this woman will be the governor of California.

01:38:16.900 I think she is going to run, and I think that Californians are looking for a step up from

01:38:22.000 Gavin Newsom, and I think they found their candidate.

01:38:25.440 I think she's going to be the governor.

01:38:26.500 Maybe a formidable voice of the left.

01:38:30.460 Here's some good news.

01:38:31.680 Speaking of the woke wars, Anheuser-Busch declines for the first time in over 30 years to sponsor

01:38:39.220 the Pride Fest parade in St. Louis.

01:38:43.560 They will not- That's Bud Light learning its lesson.

01:38:49.040 They won't sponsor the Pride Fest, and several other companies are saying, we're out.

01:38:55.780 This LGBTQ Pride Fest is now openly complaining, saying, we don't understand.

01:39:02.380 DEI is somehow becoming a bad word.

01:39:05.120 We need these partners.

01:39:06.380 We need them now more than ever.

01:39:07.880 And they've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars as various companies refuse to pitch

01:39:13.360 in, including, reportedly, according to the New York Times, Booz Allen Hamilton, Deloitte,

01:39:19.160 Comcast, an auto dealership group, Dark Cars, and then there's Bud Light, all saying, not

01:39:26.860 interested.

01:39:27.900 This is a huge victory in an important battle that we've all been fighting.

01:39:33.140 Will it continue, guys?

01:39:34.020 What do you think?

01:39:34.360 Yeah, I do think it will continue, at least for a while.

01:39:37.400 I mean, all of these companies are ultimately in the business of making money and providing

01:39:41.380 value to shareholders, and you look at election results, and for the first time, they're not

01:39:45.740 talking to just a far-left shakedown artist.

01:39:49.400 They're looking at the American people, and they want to change it.

01:39:52.260 Mm-hmm.

01:39:53.060 It's wonderful to see that they're learning their lesson.

01:39:55.240 Go ahead, Ashbrook.

01:39:55.880 You got 30 seconds.

01:39:56.540 I was just going to say, I grew up in a very small town.

01:39:59.140 We had a Fourth of July parade every year, and I don't remember giant corporate sponsors coming

01:40:02.820 in to make people turn out for that, so I'm guessing if this parade is as popular as that

01:40:08.600 one, then maybe people will still show.

01:40:11.020 Yeah.

01:40:11.560 They can make it happen without all these corporate dollars, and these corporations are

01:40:15.660 looking at people like Chris Rufo and Robbie Starbuck, who's been doing such a good job

01:40:20.560 of shaming them for continuing DEI policies that are divisive and racist and sexist.

01:40:25.940 And we've all got our eyes on them now.

01:40:29.080 They know they have real skin in this game.

01:40:31.680 They will not be universally praised.

01:40:33.240 They will be publicly humiliated with their core audience, like Bud Light was.

01:40:37.140 So I love it.

01:40:38.340 It's progress.

01:40:39.340 Great to see you, fellas.

01:40:40.860 Great to see you, Megan.

01:40:41.920 Thank you.

01:40:42.380 Thank you so much.

01:40:43.060 Thanks for having us.

01:40:44.400 All right.

01:40:44.800 We'll be back tomorrow with Halperin and the Morning Meeting Crew.

01:40:47.860 See you then.

01:40:50.940 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 27, 2025

Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts ｜ Ep. 1036

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