The Megyn Kelly Show - Activists Target Justices' Homes, and Meghan Markle's Woke Show Canceled, with Piers Morgan and Tom Bevan

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.500 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:46.500 As expected, abortion activists

00:00:49.020 congregated outside of the homes of Justices Kavanaugh and Roberts

00:00:52.860 over the weekend and on church steps.

00:00:55.600 They literally did go to the homes

00:00:57.840 of the Chief Justice of the United States

00:01:00.040 as well as Justice Brett Kavanaugh

00:01:02.060 to their homes.

00:01:03.740 People tearing baby dolls apart,

00:01:06.560 images of red hangers displayed

00:01:09.220 and rather prevalent.

00:01:10.940 We still don't know who the Supreme Court leaker is.

00:01:13.100 I'm starting to doubt the marshal,

00:01:15.060 but the story of what will happen

00:01:17.140 in, you know,

00:01:19.440 in the wake of this ruling

00:01:20.460 when it finally comes out

00:01:21.700 and to abortion in America

00:01:23.220 is not going away anytime soon.

00:01:25.700 Piers Morgan is my guest today.

00:01:27.340 He's the host of the new show

00:01:28.580 Piers Morgan Uncensored,

00:01:31.060 airing on Fox Nation here in America

00:01:32.700 and in the UK and Australia.

00:01:34.420 And he's back with us today.

00:01:36.340 Hey, Piers, how's it going?

00:01:41.980 Hi, Megan.

00:01:42.500 How are you?

00:01:43.420 I'm great.

00:01:44.200 How are you?

00:01:44.600 How's it going over there with the new show?

00:01:46.460 Great.

00:01:47.100 And incredibly, the sun is out.

00:01:49.640 It's actually quite warm in England,

00:01:50.980 which for this time of year is unprecedented.

00:01:53.340 And I think it's almost warming up

00:01:54.740 in time for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee

00:01:56.360 where the whole country

00:01:57.240 will go start raving bonkers in the pubs

00:02:00.540 for four days in about three weeks.

00:02:02.780 So we're gearing up for one hell of a royal party.

00:02:05.120 Here, too, we finally have sunshine

00:02:07.840 after weeks of rain.

00:02:09.160 It's been downright depressing.

00:02:10.540 So it's I mean, I know it's always rainy

00:02:12.500 over there in England,

00:02:13.700 but it's nice to see a little sunshine.

00:02:15.760 So can I just before we get into the news,

00:02:17.600 can I just say I'm so proud of you

00:02:19.460 for landing on your feet.

00:02:21.280 You left Good Morning Britain

00:02:22.460 because they tried to make you apologize

00:02:25.140 for a totally fair comment

00:02:27.380 that turned out to be 100 percent right

00:02:29.140 about Meghan Markle.

00:02:30.700 You didn't believe she was telling the truth

00:02:32.360 in her Oprah interview.

00:02:33.360 You called her a liar.

00:02:35.120 Princess Pinocchio.

00:02:36.520 And they wanted you to apologize.

00:02:38.160 You didn't believe her claims

00:02:40.000 and you wouldn't do it.

00:02:41.940 And that's why your relationship

00:02:42.800 with them ended.

00:02:43.820 And there was a while there

00:02:45.020 where it was unclear

00:02:45.780 what you were going to do.

00:02:47.020 You know, I had faith in you, of course,

00:02:48.840 but you really have landed

00:02:50.160 on your feet with a great deal.

00:02:51.840 So what is the lesson

00:02:53.040 for other people in that story?

00:02:55.020 I think you've got to stand up for yourself.

00:02:56.820 You know, I remember

00:02:57.200 the great Winston Churchill line,

00:02:58.840 which is you've got enemies.

00:03:00.180 Good.

00:03:00.400 It means that at some stage in your life,

00:03:02.500 you stood up for yourself.

00:03:03.780 And I think you've got to be true to yourself.

00:03:05.860 You've got to look in the mirror

00:03:06.740 and be comfortable

00:03:08.520 with what comes back at you

00:03:09.880 in terms of principle.

00:03:11.420 And I had a choice.

00:03:12.500 I could have apologized

00:03:13.640 for disbelieving Meghan Markle

00:03:15.460 and kept my job.

00:03:16.940 But if I had done,

00:03:17.940 I would have kicked myself

00:03:19.160 all day, every day, ever since.

00:03:21.500 Because as her tissue of untruths

00:03:24.720 began to be unraveled

00:03:26.580 by the world's media

00:03:28.260 after the Oprah interview,

00:03:29.480 it was quite clear that I was right,

00:03:31.140 that you could barely believe

00:03:32.160 in words she was saying.

00:03:33.400 So the idea that I couldn't express

00:03:35.360 that opinion

00:03:36.020 when it was so obviously true,

00:03:39.060 I thought was extraordinary.

00:03:40.640 And the idea that a media company

00:03:41.920 would bow to the Twitter mob

00:03:44.340 who were baying for my blood

00:03:46.000 and say, look, you either cave

00:03:48.260 and issue a groveling apology,

00:03:50.300 or you have to leave,

00:03:51.960 I thought was ridiculous.

00:03:53.100 So I took the option of leaving.

00:03:54.460 And I've been so pleased about that

00:03:56.320 ever since I was true to myself.

00:03:58.820 And I think that you've got to also,

00:04:00.180 and you know this better than most,

00:04:01.400 Meghan, you've got to back yourself.

00:04:03.380 There's no point expecting

00:04:04.860 other people to back you

00:04:06.320 or support you

00:04:07.560 if you don't do it to yourself.

00:04:09.480 And I think we live in an era

00:04:10.400 where I think people

00:04:12.040 need to have a bit more of a backbone.

00:04:14.460 They've got to understand

00:04:15.060 a bit like Rocky Balboa

00:04:16.440 in the famous speech he gave

00:04:18.260 to his son in the sixth movie

00:04:19.980 as a franchise

00:04:20.500 when the son's being a spoiled brat.

00:04:22.480 And Rocky Balboa says,

00:04:23.580 look, life's not a box of rosies.

00:04:26.700 It's, you know, it's tough.

00:04:27.960 It's hard.

00:04:28.720 And it's not about how many times

00:04:30.160 you can hit something.

00:04:32.300 It's how many times you can get hit

00:04:33.880 and get up and keep going forward.

00:04:36.100 That is what life's about.

00:04:37.300 And I think it applies

00:04:38.200 whether you're in my position

00:04:39.620 a year ago

00:04:40.480 or what you went through

00:04:42.200 or what everyone has to face

00:04:44.680 at some stage in life.

00:04:45.620 You've got to dust yourself down.

00:04:47.160 My family's a bunch of tough women.

00:04:49.140 I grew up around.

00:04:50.680 My mom, my grandmother,

00:04:51.900 tough women have been

00:04:52.720 to a hell of a lot.

00:04:53.660 You've got to dust yourself down

00:04:55.020 and just crack on

00:04:55.840 because the world

00:04:56.760 doesn't owe you any favors.

00:04:58.920 That's right.

00:04:59.500 And if you have talent,

00:05:00.820 there will be another opportunity.

00:05:02.580 You know, if you have that willingness,

00:05:04.040 you're willing to work hard,

00:05:05.260 you know who you are,

00:05:06.240 there will be another opportunity.

00:05:07.360 You'll create it.

00:05:08.240 So anyway, that's why

00:05:09.300 one of the many reasons

00:05:10.360 why I'm proud of you.

00:05:11.820 I'm rooting for you.

00:05:12.460 And I'm so happy

00:05:13.460 to see you back at the helm.

00:05:15.180 And good morning, Britain,

00:05:16.540 to their loss

00:05:17.440 because it was a special dynamic

00:05:18.720 you had on that show

00:05:19.560 and, you know,

00:05:20.000 they haven't recaptured it.

00:05:21.380 OK, so on to the news over here.

00:05:23.000 I'll start with some domestic news,

00:05:24.500 which I know you have been

00:05:25.440 keeping an eye on.

00:05:26.460 And that is this

00:05:27.100 the insanity

00:05:27.880 of people protesting

00:05:29.320 at the homes

00:05:30.320 of our Supreme Court justices.

00:05:32.620 First of all,

00:05:32.980 these are dumbass protesters,

00:05:34.460 Piers,

00:05:34.640 because according to the reports,

00:05:36.260 Chief Justice Roberts

00:05:37.080 isn't even in the majority

00:05:38.600 in this draft opinion.

00:05:40.080 He might actually already

00:05:41.080 be siding with the liberals.

00:05:42.200 We're not sure where he is.

00:05:43.200 So they're just dopes, right?

00:05:44.660 So they just go

00:05:45.120 to the chief justice's home

00:05:46.080 for actually no reason.

00:05:47.540 Justice Kavanaugh

00:05:48.260 seems to be part of the majority.

00:05:49.500 So they go to his house.

00:05:50.680 He's got two young daughters.

00:05:52.760 No one cares.

00:05:53.620 Let's go ahead and scare him.

00:05:54.960 There are other protests planned,

00:05:56.180 including, we're told,

00:05:56.840 at Amy Coney Barrett's house.

00:05:58.300 She's got young children,

00:05:59.200 including a 10 year old

00:06:00.000 who happens to have Down syndrome.

00:06:01.760 Great, great idea

00:06:02.560 to go to that house

00:06:03.480 and scare the child.

00:06:04.560 No problem.

00:06:06.160 So to me, it's disgusting.

00:06:07.840 And it's it's actually

00:06:09.100 deeply problematic

00:06:09.840 because I think it's

00:06:10.920 an open attempt

00:06:11.820 to intimidate a court

00:06:14.620 that's currently adjudicating

00:06:17.580 a really important matter.

00:06:19.540 It's obvious intimidation

00:06:21.360 or at least attempted intimidation.

00:06:23.140 You can make a very strong case

00:06:24.220 that it's actually criminal

00:06:25.180 for that reason.

00:06:26.220 It's not just a normal protest.

00:06:27.860 And our White House here

00:06:28.960 continues to shrug it off like,

00:06:30.840 oh, protest is a good thing.

00:06:32.540 This is really just

00:06:33.180 a run of the mill protest.

00:06:34.440 What do you make of it?

00:06:35.020 It's not a run of the mill protest

00:06:37.460 when you basically terrorize

00:06:39.600 the senior judges of the country

00:06:41.860 at their homes

00:06:42.700 when they have young kids.

00:06:43.740 That's a form of domestic terrorism

00:06:45.540 that's going on.

00:06:46.540 And you saw it in Wisconsin,

00:06:47.800 I think,

00:06:48.140 when an anti-abortion building

00:06:49.920 was targeted overnight

00:06:51.160 with a firebomb.

00:06:52.800 It's completely outrageous behavior.

00:06:54.700 This is domestic terrorism

00:06:55.880 you're witnessing.

00:06:57.220 And yeah,

00:06:57.500 I believe in fair

00:06:58.780 democratic protests,

00:07:00.520 but none of the homes of judges

00:07:01.700 making these important decisions.

00:07:03.100 You know, abortion,

00:07:04.240 I understand completely

00:07:05.500 in America

00:07:06.420 is an extremely emotive issue

00:07:07.980 and it's very divided,

00:07:09.780 this issue in America,

00:07:10.720 far more than it is, say,

00:07:12.060 in the UK,

00:07:12.780 where I am now,

00:07:13.360 where it got settled

00:07:13.920 many decades ago

00:07:15.300 and people have sort of

00:07:16.140 accepted that and moved on.

00:07:17.180 In America,

00:07:17.900 people feel incredibly strongly.

00:07:19.400 I come from a Catholic family

00:07:20.860 and a lot of members

00:07:22.420 of my family

00:07:22.980 feel very strongly

00:07:23.940 against abortion.

00:07:25.600 I happen,

00:07:26.680 for what it's worth,

00:07:28.020 believe in a woman's right

00:07:29.400 to choose,

00:07:29.860 but that's just

00:07:30.220 my personal opinion.

00:07:31.080 I certainly don't want to

00:07:31.960 force that onto America

00:07:33.080 Americans

00:07:33.200 who have to make

00:07:34.280 their own minds up

00:07:35.020 about what kind of laws

00:07:36.020 they want in their country.

00:07:37.200 So,

00:07:37.580 have you put all that

00:07:38.220 on the table?

00:07:39.560 Surely we can all agree

00:07:40.800 that whatever side

00:07:41.580 of this debate you're on,

00:07:43.020 whether you're pro-abortion

00:07:44.340 or anti-abortion,

00:07:45.960 and most people I know

00:07:47.480 who support

00:07:48.140 a woman's right to choose,

00:07:49.640 they don't want to be seen

00:07:50.520 as pro-abortion anyway,

00:07:51.860 actually.

00:07:52.220 They don't want to be seen

00:07:53.240 that this is something good.

00:07:54.780 I think we can all agree

00:07:55.640 it's not a good thing.

00:07:56.520 No woman wants

00:07:57.160 to go through it.

00:07:57.880 The argument becomes

00:07:59.060 about whether it should be legal,

00:08:00.840 whether it should be run by.

00:08:01.700 That's why you're wrong.

00:08:02.700 That's why you're wrong.

00:08:03.420 I know you took some guff

00:08:04.160 on Twitter for saying that

00:08:05.060 from the left.

00:08:06.380 I would say

00:08:07.200 you're wrong.

00:08:08.760 You're giving too much

00:08:10.100 credit in character

00:08:11.780 to a lot of the loudest activists

00:08:14.000 whose largest group

00:08:15.160 over here

00:08:15.580 is called

00:08:16.300 Shout Your Abortion.

00:08:18.400 They are proud.

00:08:19.480 We had Letitia James,

00:08:20.660 the Attorney General

00:08:21.340 of New York,

00:08:21.820 the gal who brought down

00:08:23.200 Andrew Cuomo

00:08:23.780 and went after Harvey Weinstein,

00:08:25.680 literally say

00:08:26.380 she was proud

00:08:27.220 to walk into Planned Parenthood

00:08:28.420 and get an abortion

00:08:29.120 not long ago,

00:08:30.220 right when she took over

00:08:31.180 as AG.

00:08:32.220 There are women

00:08:33.080 who are loving it.

00:08:33.900 I accept that, actually.

00:08:35.180 I did get sent

00:08:35.840 some tweets about that,

00:08:37.560 which I wasn't really aware

00:08:38.540 of what had been going on there.

00:08:40.240 And I accept that.

00:08:41.480 I think there are some people

00:08:42.360 maybe who are proud of it.

00:08:43.560 It's very like you.

00:08:44.200 That to me is completely,

00:08:45.460 that to me,

00:08:46.500 whatever side you are

00:08:47.460 on about the argument,

00:08:48.420 that's wrong.

00:08:49.240 I don't think anyone

00:08:49.820 should be proud of it.

00:08:50.880 I think it's something

00:08:51.560 which is, you know,

00:08:52.800 never a desirable outcome.

00:08:54.180 Nobody, I don't think,

00:08:56.120 if you have a conscience

00:08:57.020 or a heart,

00:08:57.620 thinks this is a good thing.

00:08:59.120 It's whether you think

00:08:59.860 a woman should have

00:09:00.440 a right to choose.

00:09:01.120 I happen to think they should.

00:09:02.500 But other people

00:09:03.080 I know in America in particular,

00:09:04.480 it's very divisive,

00:09:05.840 very emotional.

00:09:07.000 And I think you've got to respect

00:09:07.960 both sides of the argument.

00:09:09.320 What you can't have

00:09:10.220 is people on either side

00:09:11.960 using intimidation

00:09:13.640 and arson and terrorism

00:09:15.740 to try and enforce

00:09:17.400 their view through.

00:09:18.480 And, you know,

00:09:18.820 I think also it was a tragedy

00:09:20.540 for American democracy

00:09:21.640 that you have this leak

00:09:23.220 about a first draft

00:09:24.140 of such an important issue

00:09:25.600 from the Supreme Court.

00:09:26.960 And we still don't know,

00:09:28.040 really,

00:09:28.280 what the motivation

00:09:29.020 for that leak was.

00:09:30.380 Was it somebody on the left

00:09:31.580 who wants to stop

00:09:32.720 the overturning

00:09:33.580 of Roe versus Wade?

00:09:34.740 Or was it perhaps

00:09:35.480 somebody on the right

00:09:36.380 who wants the judges

00:09:37.660 and the court

00:09:38.280 to keep to that

00:09:39.240 first draft conclusion?

00:09:40.520 We don't know yet.

00:09:41.240 So the idea that you can,

00:09:42.640 you know,

00:09:43.320 act out these protests

00:09:44.740 and forms of terrorism

00:09:46.200 based on what you believe

00:09:47.640 has happened here

00:09:48.480 and what you believe

00:09:49.500 they may end up concluding,

00:09:51.140 I think is completely ridiculous.

00:09:52.680 And it flies in the face

00:09:54.400 of what a free democratic society

00:09:56.020 should be.

00:09:56.860 It shouldn't be predicated

00:09:57.900 on people getting their own view

00:09:59.200 because they use forms of terrorism.

00:10:02.640 Well, and it's so crazy

00:10:03.300 because people don't seem

00:10:03.980 to understand

00:10:04.620 what the Supreme Court does.

00:10:06.080 They don't make the laws.

00:10:07.220 They say what the ultimate

00:10:08.320 interpretation

00:10:08.920 of the Constitution

00:10:09.740 and the law is.

00:10:10.660 They don't make it.

00:10:11.920 And this is up

00:10:12.560 to their legislatures.

00:10:13.720 So it's very democratic

00:10:14.860 to have this go back

00:10:15.720 to the states

00:10:16.200 and have each state figure out

00:10:17.460 what its citizens want.

00:10:18.860 And while it will result

00:10:20.800 in probably the loss of abortion

00:10:22.640 if this opinion comes out

00:10:23.860 as the draft looked

00:10:24.800 in places like Mississippi

00:10:26.460 and I know it's,

00:10:28.040 you know,

00:10:28.260 it's easy for me to say

00:10:29.080 get up and vote with your feet,

00:10:30.180 walk away,

00:10:30.940 that that's the way

00:10:31.600 the country works.

00:10:32.540 I mean, you know,

00:10:33.460 that's the way it was set up

00:10:34.480 and people do it

00:10:35.220 on all sorts of issues

00:10:36.120 from guns to,

00:10:37.720 you know,

00:10:37.920 whatever taxes.

00:10:40.180 So that's where

00:10:41.360 this is likely to land

00:10:42.300 if the decision comes down.

00:10:43.640 You mentioned Madison, Wisconsin.

00:10:45.360 Just want to inform

00:10:46.240 the audience.

00:10:46.740 What happened there

00:10:47.440 was an anti-abortion

00:10:49.100 headquarters was hit

00:10:50.120 by a Molotov cocktail,

00:10:51.860 by vandalism,

00:10:52.580 by graffiti.

00:10:53.940 There was a slogan

00:10:54.860 and a phrase sprayed

00:10:55.920 if abortions aren't safe,

00:10:57.600 then you aren't either.

00:10:59.560 And the threat

00:11:00.800 is starting to grow

00:11:01.720 at places that

00:11:02.860 are anti-abortion

00:11:04.880 because the pro-abortion side

00:11:06.940 is getting very upset,

00:11:09.280 very angry

00:11:10.060 before we even know

00:11:11.800 what the decision is, Pierce.

00:11:12.720 That's what's so crazy.

00:11:13.840 I was listening to my pals

00:11:14.740 on National Review

00:11:15.520 over the weekend

00:11:16.160 and they're sort of

00:11:17.480 more establishment

00:11:18.060 Republican types

00:11:18.820 and they were saying

00:11:20.000 all of them,

00:11:20.840 they hate, you know,

00:11:22.240 Roe versus Wade

00:11:22.880 and they're pro-life.

00:11:24.800 Not one of them

00:11:25.500 believes this is going

00:11:26.200 to come down

00:11:26.600 the way it was written.

00:11:27.460 They're all,

00:11:27.920 they're saying

00:11:28.440 it's too good to be true.

00:11:30.200 That was an initial draft.

00:11:31.600 Chief Justice Roberts

00:11:32.320 is probably going to break away

00:11:33.400 a Brett Kavanaugh

00:11:34.040 or somebody

00:11:34.600 and the odds

00:11:35.960 of Roe versus Wade

00:11:37.640 being overturned

00:11:38.240 are probably rather slim.

00:11:39.900 So what is all this about?

00:11:41.280 We have to wait

00:11:41.880 to see what the actual opinion is.

00:11:44.040 Well, I think that's the problem

00:11:44.960 with the leak, isn't it?

00:11:45.960 Because if you leak

00:11:46.660 a first draft

00:11:47.560 before it's actually gone

00:11:48.560 through the normal

00:11:49.280 due process of the court,

00:11:51.120 then this is the kind

00:11:52.180 of mayhem that can erupt.

00:11:53.860 And now whatever happens,

00:11:55.460 there's going to be fury

00:11:56.740 from one side

00:11:57.580 or the other.

00:11:58.740 You know,

00:11:59.000 I was really struck by,

00:12:00.620 you know,

00:12:00.820 I learned when I was

00:12:02.280 at CNN

00:12:03.080 and did a lot of debating

00:12:04.940 about gun control,

00:12:06.140 for example,

00:12:07.020 that Americans really

00:12:07.920 don't want to hear

00:12:08.460 someone with my accent

00:12:09.460 tell them

00:12:10.000 how they should be

00:12:11.280 abiding by their own

00:12:12.460 constitution.

00:12:13.060 So let me just say,

00:12:14.340 I accept that,

00:12:15.340 that, you know,

00:12:15.720 I can have my personal views

00:12:17.200 about some of these issues,

00:12:18.760 but I'm not an American

00:12:19.600 and I'm not an American citizen

00:12:21.500 and it's down to American citizens

00:12:23.320 to have this debate

00:12:24.100 amongst each other

00:12:24.880 and work out what they want.

00:12:26.700 Now,

00:12:27.160 I was struck by

00:12:27.960 when I read all the detail

00:12:28.960 in the fallout of this leak,

00:12:30.940 that actually a lot of

00:12:32.040 legal minded people,

00:12:33.280 I know you're

00:12:33.780 a very keen legal brain,

00:12:35.860 a lot of legal people

00:12:36.600 thought the original law,

00:12:38.580 which was laid down

00:12:39.640 50 odd years ago

00:12:40.720 on Roe versus Wade,

00:12:41.600 was flawed.

00:12:42.780 And that has been

00:12:43.820 the problem all along.

00:12:45.280 The original opinion.

00:12:46.340 But actually many people

00:12:46.620 in the legal world

00:12:47.640 think that it should have

00:12:48.400 always reverted back

00:12:49.260 to states.

00:12:50.200 Now,

00:12:50.660 I thought that was

00:12:51.480 quite interesting.

00:12:51.980 I thought it was interesting

00:12:52.480 that two thirds of Americans

00:12:53.840 in the polls

00:12:54.600 do not want Roe versus Wade

00:12:56.920 overturned.

00:12:57.500 But if it then goes

00:12:58.260 to a question about

00:12:59.140 how would you see it

00:13:00.260 if it went back

00:13:00.780 to states,

00:13:02.500 they then actually

00:13:03.440 are more draconian

00:13:04.840 in the kind of way

00:13:06.400 they would want

00:13:07.020 abortion laws

00:13:07.880 than even Roe versus Wade

00:13:09.660 would be.

00:13:09.940 So it's an interesting

00:13:10.860 inconsistency there

00:13:12.740 which I think

00:13:13.280 plays to the fact

00:13:14.040 that I think

00:13:14.380 a lot of Americans

00:13:15.300 feel very, very strongly

00:13:17.080 and are entrenched

00:13:17.960 on their views

00:13:18.560 and many other Americans

00:13:19.460 are unsure

00:13:21.080 about exactly

00:13:21.840 where they think

00:13:22.360 the line should be.

00:13:23.640 You know,

00:13:23.860 should the term limit

00:13:24.700 be here?

00:13:25.520 Here?

00:13:25.860 Should there be

00:13:26.560 no term limit?

00:13:27.580 I think there's lots

00:13:28.300 of debates to be had

00:13:29.440 but this is a debate

00:13:30.560 that has to be had

00:13:31.700 without the people

00:13:32.860 involved in it

00:13:33.760 being intimidated

00:13:34.360 because the moment

00:13:35.420 you do that

00:13:36.160 you are becoming

00:13:37.600 a fascist

00:13:38.880 totalitarian state.

00:13:40.700 You're becoming

00:13:41.240 like Russia,

00:13:41.940 North Korea,

00:13:42.460 China

00:13:42.740 where this kind

00:13:43.540 of intimidation

00:13:44.220 and terrorism

00:13:44.640 goes on all the time.

00:13:46.160 That's right.

00:13:46.760 The thing that suffers

00:13:47.720 most is democracy.

00:13:49.760 It's crazy how

00:13:50.220 we're not even hearing

00:13:51.080 the sort of placeholder

00:13:53.120 the leak was wrong

00:13:54.320 but let's focus

00:13:55.100 on the opinion

00:13:55.620 from the left.

00:13:56.360 No one's even

00:13:57.200 condemning the leak

00:13:57.900 at all.

00:13:58.660 In fact,

00:13:58.920 the Washington Post

00:13:59.820 this weekend

00:14:00.380 did a pretty

00:14:01.300 fawning piece

00:14:02.360 on one of the protesters

00:14:03.300 going in front of

00:14:04.260 Brett Kavanaugh

00:14:05.060 or John Roberts' house.

00:14:07.000 The press is loving it.

00:14:08.220 Get them.

00:14:08.740 They're in favor

00:14:09.500 of the protests.

00:14:10.700 They're in favor

00:14:11.080 of the leak

00:14:11.640 and we have a sitting

00:14:13.480 court right now

00:14:14.240 that hasn't yet

00:14:14.840 issued an opinion

00:14:15.840 and the reason

00:14:16.840 this is so dangerous

00:14:17.780 is because

00:14:18.940 there are lunatics

00:14:20.120 out there.

00:14:20.780 I don't have to tell you

00:14:21.480 that.

00:14:22.020 They're in your country.

00:14:23.100 They're in mine

00:14:23.540 and this is a 5-4

00:14:26.000 decision right now

00:14:26.980 at best

00:14:27.680 for the conservatives

00:14:28.360 so it looks

00:14:29.360 and so

00:14:30.360 there really is

00:14:31.400 a limited number

00:14:32.040 of Supreme Court justices

00:14:33.180 and who's to say

00:14:34.480 some lunatic's

00:14:35.200 not going to get it

00:14:35.740 in his head

00:14:36.480 that before this thing

00:14:37.580 comes out

00:14:38.040 he could take out

00:14:38.720 one of those justices.

00:14:39.680 God forbid.

00:14:40.740 I'm not putting ideas

00:14:41.620 into people's heads.

00:14:42.360 It's already been spoken

00:14:43.080 about in many forums

00:14:44.040 and so the longer

00:14:46.020 this sits

00:14:46.680 with the intimidation

00:14:48.060 campaign ramping up

00:14:49.320 with the protesters

00:14:50.000 essentially saying

00:14:50.940 we know where you live

00:14:52.960 and we published it

00:14:54.320 on the internet

00:14:55.240 the more danger

00:14:56.760 the justices are in

00:14:58.120 justice itself

00:14:59.940 is in

00:15:00.560 and we can't

00:15:01.660 get our White House

00:15:02.500 to even shrug

00:15:03.720 a shoulder.

00:15:04.620 I mean here's

00:15:05.380 what they just said

00:15:06.160 Piers about

00:15:06.620 the Wisconsin

00:15:07.300 Molotov cocktail

00:15:08.600 attack on the

00:15:09.860 anti-abortion

00:15:10.600 facility.

00:15:11.840 The White House

00:15:12.280 just released this.

00:15:13.480 I'll read it to you.

00:15:14.080 President Joe Biden

00:15:14.740 strongly condemns

00:15:15.840 the arson attack

00:15:17.300 on a Wisconsin

00:15:18.240 anti-abortion group

00:15:19.240 the White House

00:15:19.700 announced Monday.

00:15:20.840 He released a statement

00:15:21.540 roughly a day after

00:15:22.440 an unknown assailant

00:15:23.260 threw at least

00:15:24.000 one Molotov cocktail

00:15:24.860 into the office.

00:15:26.120 President Biden

00:15:26.520 strongly condemns

00:15:27.320 this attack

00:15:27.720 and political

00:15:28.360 violence of any

00:15:29.000 stripe.

00:15:29.600 He's made clear

00:15:30.280 throughout his time

00:15:30.920 in public life

00:15:31.460 that Americans

00:15:31.920 have the fundamental

00:15:32.560 right to express

00:15:33.220 themselves under

00:15:33.760 the Constitution

00:15:34.380 whatever their

00:15:34.880 point of view

00:15:35.360 but that expression

00:15:36.520 must be peaceful

00:15:37.260 and free of violence

00:15:38.140 vandalism

00:15:38.880 or attempts to

00:15:40.360 intimidate.

00:15:41.480 Why can't he say

00:15:42.980 that about

00:15:44.060 the protesters

00:15:45.220 in front of

00:15:46.040 the chief justice's

00:15:47.460 home

00:15:47.760 Justice Kavanaugh's

00:15:49.660 home

00:15:49.940 the longer he lets

00:15:51.700 it go on

00:15:52.540 without saying

00:15:53.380 this is wrong

00:15:54.800 yes it's public

00:15:55.860 property

00:15:56.340 the sidewalk

00:15:56.980 in front of

00:15:57.420 the justice's

00:15:57.940 home

00:15:58.080 that doesn't

00:15:58.800 change what

00:15:59.260 they're doing

00:15:59.700 and there's a

00:16:00.180 very good case

00:16:00.760 to be made

00:16:01.100 that it's illegal

00:16:01.720 because if you

00:16:02.260 protest even on

00:16:03.400 public property

00:16:04.020 outside of a

00:16:04.620 justice's home

00:16:05.220 in an attempt

00:16:05.700 to change the

00:16:06.180 outcome of a

00:16:06.740 verdict or an

00:16:07.840 opinion you are

00:16:08.880 violating a

00:16:09.640 criminal statute

00:16:10.220 so it shouldn't

00:16:10.980 be that hard for

00:16:11.620 our president to

00:16:12.580 say it's wrong

00:16:13.180 no it shouldn't

00:16:14.220 and it's a very

00:16:15.320 straightforward thing

00:16:16.120 for any president

00:16:16.780 to say if they

00:16:18.020 are inclined to

00:16:19.180 say it I just

00:16:19.840 don't Joe Biden

00:16:20.560 wants to annoy

00:16:21.840 his own side

00:16:22.980 as he would see

00:16:23.720 it by going that

00:16:24.940 far but he should

00:16:25.680 if the situation

00:16:27.000 was reversed

00:16:27.720 absolutely the

00:16:29.580 same people

00:16:30.180 defending this

00:16:30.920 would be howling

00:16:31.660 their rage about

00:16:32.800 it happening

00:16:33.260 so let's be

00:16:34.780 crystal clear

00:16:35.340 there's a rank

00:16:35.980 hypocrisy here

00:16:36.960 and that is

00:16:37.960 that's one of the

00:16:38.840 problems at the

00:16:39.280 moment I think

00:16:39.860 with the hyper

00:16:41.080 partisan tribal

00:16:42.340 nature of political

00:16:43.740 debate now not

00:16:44.500 just in America

00:16:45.160 but around the

00:16:45.720 world we certainly

00:16:46.720 got it here in the

00:16:47.360 UK I see in other

00:16:48.260 countries I feel it

00:16:49.780 very strongly in

00:16:50.520 America now where

00:16:51.460 there are tribes

00:16:53.180 whipped up by

00:16:53.980 social media you

00:16:55.340 dare deviate from

00:16:56.500 your tribe's view

00:16:57.520 about whatever the

00:16:58.280 issue may be

00:16:59.060 facts don't matter

00:17:00.360 it's purely about

00:17:01.420 winning and beating

00:17:02.780 the opposition and

00:17:04.000 if you can intimidate

00:17:04.900 them and terrorize

00:17:05.860 them to doing that

00:17:06.480 all well and good

00:17:07.200 but there's a lot of

00:17:08.340 hypocrisy here too

00:17:09.340 you know I think the

00:17:10.520 best thing you can do

00:17:11.300 for a civilized

00:17:11.980 democracy is you

00:17:12.820 you take any issue

00:17:13.860 like this and you

00:17:14.540 reverse it and say

00:17:15.960 what would the people

00:17:16.900 saying this about

00:17:18.640 this say if it was

00:17:19.300 the other way around

00:17:19.820 it was their side

00:17:20.580 and almost

00:17:21.920 invariably you

00:17:22.940 reach the conclusion

00:17:23.680 that they would be

00:17:24.780 saying something

00:17:25.340 completely different

00:17:26.220 Joe Biden would be

00:17:26.940 saying something

00:17:27.300 very different

00:17:28.040 and that's the

00:17:29.960 problem with this

00:17:30.600 when our new

00:17:31.480 Supreme Court

00:17:31.960 justice comes on

00:17:32.740 Ketanji Brown

00:17:33.400 Jackson who's the

00:17:34.220 first African-American

00:17:34.980 woman to sit on

00:17:35.820 the Supreme Court

00:17:36.300 she's not on yet

00:17:36.980 she's taking

00:17:37.520 Justice Breyer's

00:17:38.800 seat and Justice

00:17:39.280 Breyer's still on

00:17:40.100 until the end of

00:17:41.060 this term which is

00:17:41.720 next month

00:17:42.360 can you imagine

00:17:43.540 if she were one

00:17:44.360 of the justices

00:17:44.880 being protested

00:17:45.700 you think the

00:17:46.220 White House

00:17:46.560 this White House

00:17:47.920 wouldn't be saying

00:17:49.040 you're racist

00:17:49.720 misogynistic

00:17:50.740 disgusting MAGA

00:17:51.740 Republicans

00:17:52.320 it would be

00:17:52.820 outrage

00:17:53.500 right

00:17:54.060 I mean it would

00:17:54.640 be total outrage

00:17:56.000 from the left

00:17:56.740 if that was

00:17:57.620 happening

00:17:57.980 and that's my

00:17:58.940 problem with

00:17:59.960 the hypocrisy

00:18:00.680 because they're

00:18:01.240 targeting a

00:18:02.320 White middle-aged

00:18:03.980 man who happens

00:18:05.180 to be a

00:18:05.900 Republican a

00:18:06.580 conservative

00:18:07.020 that's fine

00:18:08.320 but if they were

00:18:09.240 targeting her

00:18:10.360 it would be an

00:18:11.460 outrage

00:18:12.040 and that's exactly

00:18:12.680 what I'm talking

00:18:13.180 about that's the

00:18:13.960 hypocrisy

00:18:14.540 there's no moral

00:18:15.700 consistency to this

00:18:16.840 in fact it's the

00:18:17.520 opposite

00:18:17.840 there's a deliberate

00:18:19.140 moral vacuum

00:18:20.780 here

00:18:21.160 but people aren't

00:18:22.040 making principled

00:18:23.120 statements

00:18:23.640 they're just simply

00:18:24.760 saying what suits

00:18:25.500 their sign

00:18:26.080 it's even worse

00:18:27.280 for him

00:18:27.660 that way

00:18:28.680 undemocratic

00:18:30.080 hell lies

00:18:30.880 honestly

00:18:31.420 it's from

00:18:32.680 to me what the

00:18:33.540 president is doing

00:18:34.180 is selfish

00:18:35.240 he sees a chance

00:18:36.640 to turn the

00:18:37.260 national narrative

00:18:37.920 which has been

00:18:38.500 terrible for him

00:18:39.420 given our 8%

00:18:40.580 inflation rates

00:18:41.600 the crime rates

00:18:42.780 and so on

00:18:43.320 and he sees a

00:18:44.680 political opportunity

00:18:45.440 to shore up his

00:18:46.240 party before the

00:18:46.920 midterms not to

00:18:47.600 mention his own

00:18:48.200 poll numbers

00:18:48.780 and that requires

00:18:50.160 him to let the

00:18:51.100 supreme court sit

00:18:51.940 there endangered

00:18:52.680 for him to provide

00:18:53.880 absolutely no

00:18:54.820 back out

00:18:55.220 not even a

00:18:55.780 back up

00:18:56.140 not even a

00:18:56.640 word of support

00:18:57.400 or condemnation

00:18:58.460 for people getting

00:18:59.060 a little too

00:18:59.660 close for comfort

00:19:01.220 when it comes to

00:19:02.020 our supreme court

00:19:02.820 justices

00:19:03.300 this is not

00:19:03.800 speaking of

00:19:04.340 protests at the

00:19:04.960 high court

00:19:05.380 that's always

00:19:05.940 happened

00:19:06.300 at the homes

00:19:07.260 is a different

00:19:07.680 thing

00:19:07.880 it's selfish

00:19:08.500 about him

00:19:08.980 and his

00:19:10.140 poll numbers

00:19:10.860 which speaks

00:19:11.640 to the man's

00:19:12.160 character

00:19:12.560 yeah

00:19:13.160 totally agree

00:19:14.500 and it's

00:19:15.480 exactly the kind

00:19:16.720 of behavior

00:19:17.200 if this was

00:19:17.680 Donald Trump

00:19:18.260 doing it

00:19:18.740 on an issue

00:19:19.340 that the left

00:19:20.940 felt strongly

00:19:21.540 about

00:19:21.860 they would be

00:19:22.460 outraged by it

00:19:23.540 yes

00:19:24.000 they would call

00:19:24.620 it cowardly

00:19:25.420 and they would

00:19:25.880 call it pathetic

00:19:26.720 and shameful

00:19:27.980 but because it's

00:19:29.040 Joe Biden doing

00:19:29.860 it to appease

00:19:30.540 the left

00:19:31.160 because they think

00:19:32.280 that Kavanaugh

00:19:32.940 and the other

00:19:34.000 conservative judges

00:19:34.880 are easy pickings

00:19:36.640 then it's fine

00:19:37.800 and that's

00:19:39.100 it's just not

00:19:39.680 acceptable to be

00:19:40.540 that brazenly

00:19:41.540 hypocritical

00:19:42.400 they better pray

00:19:43.820 pray that nothing

00:19:44.940 happens to these

00:19:45.540 supreme court

00:19:45.940 justices

00:19:46.440 pray

00:19:46.900 and I

00:19:48.540 believe as well

00:19:49.460 that God forbid

00:19:50.600 something were to

00:19:51.120 happen in one of

00:19:51.660 them

00:19:51.860 I believe that

00:19:52.680 Chief Justice Roberts

00:19:53.520 if he really is

00:19:54.240 the sixth vote

00:19:55.220 sitting out

00:19:55.820 he'd cross over

00:19:56.920 he would vote

00:19:57.620 as that person

00:19:58.160 there's zero chance

00:19:59.440 the supreme court

00:20:00.080 is going to sit

00:20:00.760 back and let

00:20:01.300 their vote

00:20:01.920 on this case

00:20:02.580 be manipulated

00:20:03.320 by protesters

00:20:04.860 or violence

00:20:06.240 so whatever the

00:20:07.580 plan is

00:20:08.120 it's not going

00:20:08.560 to work

00:20:08.960 now you mentioned

00:20:10.340 Donald Trump

00:20:10.920 you had some

00:20:11.840 experience with him

00:20:12.580 recently

00:20:13.060 you've had many

00:20:14.500 years of experience

00:20:15.380 with him

00:20:15.980 let me ask you

00:20:18.080 this so just to

00:20:18.940 bring the audience

00:20:19.480 up to speed

00:20:19.880 if they have been

00:20:20.600 living under a rock

00:20:21.460 Pierce had Donald

00:20:22.740 Trump on his show

00:20:23.600 to launch it

00:20:25.160 two weeks ago

00:20:26.000 and it was a two

00:20:26.760 night affair

00:20:27.300 and it got

00:20:28.040 gangbuster ratings

00:20:29.240 but he claimed

00:20:31.260 to be upset

00:20:31.800 by the promo

00:20:32.680 which showed

00:20:33.280 Donald Trump

00:20:33.720 storming out

00:20:34.560 President Trump

00:20:35.200 storming out

00:20:35.740 of the interview

00:20:36.300 Pierce later said

00:20:37.640 you know

00:20:38.340 he did get up

00:20:39.220 and was angry

00:20:39.960 he didn't actually

00:20:41.280 storm out of the

00:20:41.900 interview but you know

00:20:42.560 he left under

00:20:43.080 tense circumstances

00:20:43.900 he's been

00:20:44.700 complaining about

00:20:45.520 it ever since

00:20:46.220 and my question

00:20:47.960 to you

00:20:48.480 he's at a rally

00:20:49.280 just this past

00:20:49.860 weekend

00:20:50.200 ripping on you

00:20:51.000 Pierce

00:20:51.300 you probably saw

00:20:52.120 I called you

00:20:52.500 crazy I think

00:20:53.220 I did yeah

00:20:53.820 okay wait

00:20:55.420 we'll just play

00:20:56.100 it so the audience

00:20:56.600 has soundbite

00:20:57.160 five

00:20:57.460 here he is

00:20:58.160 this crazy

00:21:00.040 Pierce Morgan

00:21:00.840 did you see

00:21:01.380 that show

00:21:02.020 Pierce Morgan

00:21:03.440 thank you sir

00:21:04.260 Pierce Morgan

00:21:05.600 show you see

00:21:06.340 Pierce Morgan

00:21:07.080 he sort of had it

00:21:08.080 I think Pierce

00:21:08.760 is over the hill

00:21:10.200 he opened the show

00:21:12.680 with an interview

00:21:13.420 of me I did him

00:21:14.160 a favor I didn't

00:21:14.800 want to do a stupid

00:21:15.580 show it's on

00:21:16.420 Fox Nation

00:21:18.960 what is Fox Nation

00:21:20.100 what is it

00:21:20.640 they're gonna love

00:21:21.100 me when I say

00:21:21.640 what is Fox

00:21:22.360 it's on Fox Nation

00:21:23.620 he opened with

00:21:24.680 great ratings

00:21:25.560 when he did me

00:21:26.560 and then after my

00:21:27.940 interview was finished

00:21:29.040 he bombed

00:21:30.280 and he's now down

00:21:31.120 over 70%

00:21:32.460 okay

00:21:33.640 so

00:21:34.660 so he's still

00:21:36.160 ripping on you

00:21:36.780 crazy

00:21:37.080 I've always wanted

00:21:37.880 to be one of his

00:21:38.780 rally

00:21:39.200 his rally targets

00:21:40.700 it's just so funny

00:21:41.620 to listen to

00:21:42.140 but anyway

00:21:42.460 so here's my

00:21:43.960 question to you

00:21:44.580 is this

00:21:45.460 do you think

00:21:46.040 his purported

00:21:47.120 anger

00:21:47.460 is real

00:21:48.880 or kind of

00:21:50.560 a favor to you

00:21:51.420 to gin up

00:21:52.280 you know

00:21:53.140 buzz

00:21:53.780 around your show

00:21:54.560 I think that

00:21:56.400 well

00:21:56.760 here's what I

00:21:57.400 really think

00:21:57.800 happened

00:21:58.100 he was

00:21:58.760 sent a document

00:22:00.160 just before we

00:22:01.300 sat down

00:22:01.880 by a guy called

00:22:03.080 Nigel Farage

00:22:03.860 who may be

00:22:04.340 familiar to

00:22:04.920 a lot of your

00:22:05.480 viewers here

00:22:06.600 and Nigel Farage

00:22:07.580 is a conservative

00:22:08.520 politician in the UK

00:22:09.440 who works for a

00:22:10.840 rival news network

00:22:12.080 here to my show

00:22:13.320 in the UK

00:22:13.740 and he deliberately

00:22:15.440 tried to sabotage

00:22:16.320 the interview

00:22:16.580 sending Donald Trump

00:22:17.560 a lot of very

00:22:18.420 critical things

00:22:19.100 I'd said about him

00:22:19.800 in his last year

00:22:20.540 of his tenure

00:22:21.720 as president

00:22:22.140 about the way

00:22:23.300 he handled the

00:22:23.880 pandemic

00:22:24.260 about his refusal

00:22:25.280 to accept defeat

00:22:26.160 about January

00:22:27.300 the 6th

00:22:27.740 and so on

00:22:28.420 when by the way

00:22:29.100 I wasn't the only

00:22:29.620 one criticizing him

00:22:30.460 and I've always

00:22:30.800 tried to be fair

00:22:31.480 with Donald Trump

00:22:32.440 in the 15 years

00:22:33.260 I've been friends

00:22:33.800 with him

00:22:34.220 where I criticize

00:22:35.720 him if I feel

00:22:36.440 he deserves it

00:22:37.060 and I praise him

00:22:37.680 when other people

00:22:38.480 are burying him

00:22:39.080 so I've always

00:22:39.440 tried to be fair

00:22:39.600 and it's not like

00:22:40.140 you were quiet

00:22:40.600 about that

00:22:40.800 you were publishing

00:22:41.640 it

00:22:41.800 to stop the

00:22:42.900 interview happening

00:22:43.520 but you were

00:22:44.480 publishing that

00:22:45.060 in the Daily Mail

00:22:45.600 I read a lot

00:22:46.200 of that at the time

00:22:46.800 it's not like

00:22:47.180 you were keeping

00:22:47.740 that a secret

00:22:48.200 it wasn't a secret

00:22:49.360 no but Donald Trump

00:22:50.400 hadn't seen

00:22:50.920 a lot of it

00:22:52.080 so he was set

00:22:53.020 the top line

00:22:56.160 he read them all

00:22:56.940 to me in his office

00:22:57.660 and was getting

00:22:58.120 very angry about it

00:22:59.020 and I said look

00:22:59.520 you didn't make me

00:23:00.420 your celebrity apprentice

00:23:01.200 for sitting on the fence

00:23:02.040 like some shrinking violet

00:23:03.220 you said when I was

00:23:05.080 made the winner

00:23:05.920 that I was tough

00:23:07.120 and ruthless

00:23:07.660 and beat the heart of everybody

00:23:09.200 of course I'm going

00:23:10.020 to criticize you

00:23:10.800 if I don't agree with it

00:23:11.500 but I've always

00:23:12.040 tried to be fair with you

00:23:13.020 anyway he agreed

00:23:13.980 to do the interview

00:23:14.580 it was supposed to do

00:23:15.080 20 minutes

00:23:15.620 I got 72 minutes

00:23:17.520 so clearly he couldn't

00:23:18.520 have been that annoyed

00:23:19.100 with the interview

00:23:19.580 if he sat there

00:23:20.160 for three times

00:23:20.720 as long as he should have been

00:23:21.520 and with Donald Trump

00:23:23.080 if you interview him

00:23:24.240 you just keep going

00:23:25.080 until he stops it

00:23:26.160 it doesn't matter

00:23:26.680 what his aides

00:23:27.220 are all saying

00:23:27.700 so the promo I did

00:23:29.400 was very much

00:23:30.260 in the style

00:23:30.840 of The Apprentice

00:23:31.580 where I tried to make it

00:23:32.700 as exciting

00:23:33.600 and tantalizing

00:23:34.960 as possible

00:23:35.560 and he was completely honest

00:23:37.220 I never said

00:23:38.280 Donald Trump

00:23:39.140 stormed out

00:23:39.960 of the interview

00:23:40.540 I just said

00:23:41.680 in a piece

00:23:42.180 I wrote

00:23:42.580 in the New York Post

00:23:43.580 the company

00:23:44.380 the promo being put out

00:23:46.280 I said he left

00:23:47.600 in a really bad mood

00:23:49.000 which he did

00:23:49.740 and it wasn't

00:23:50.740 about the promo

00:23:51.640 and it wasn't

00:23:52.580 about anything else

00:23:53.640 other than the fact

00:23:54.540 that I looked him

00:23:55.080 in the eye

00:23:55.500 and I said

00:23:56.200 I'm really sorry

00:23:56.980 President Trump

00:23:57.780 but I have to tell you this

00:23:59.500 I do not believe

00:24:00.500 the election

00:24:00.960 was stolen from you

00:24:01.900 I don't believe

00:24:02.760 it was rigged

00:24:03.860 and I don't

00:24:04.660 it's an honestly held opinion

00:24:05.820 and he then called me

00:24:07.060 a fool

00:24:07.340 seven times

00:24:08.720 he lost his rag

00:24:10.100 then he calmed down

00:24:11.220 then he was going to leave

00:24:12.080 then he stayed

00:24:12.800 and eventually

00:24:13.540 he went off

00:24:14.000 calling me dishonest

00:24:14.900 it wasn't dishonest

00:24:16.100 ironically

00:24:16.760 I was being honest

00:24:18.240 he just didn't like

00:24:19.340 me being honest

00:24:19.940 so that's what it was about

00:24:21.280 but look

00:24:21.580 I've had ups and downs

00:24:22.920 with him over the years

00:24:23.800 I think the really

00:24:25.540 strange thing about this

00:24:26.800 is most people

00:24:28.100 who watch the whole interview

00:24:29.080 felt it was one of the

00:24:30.300 best interviews he's done

00:24:31.400 and people who

00:24:32.780 I know don't even

00:24:33.660 like him very much

00:24:34.460 thought he came over

00:24:35.580 very well

00:24:36.040 so my message

00:24:36.960 to President Trump

00:24:38.020 is calm down

00:24:38.840 you don't have to

00:24:40.360 keep ranting

00:24:40.880 about an interview

00:24:41.480 that people actually

00:24:42.140 thought you came over

00:24:42.960 well on

00:24:43.420 and as for the promo

00:24:44.840 I learned all the art

00:24:46.620 of exciting promos

00:24:47.880 from you

00:24:48.580 on The Apprentice

00:24:49.380 so my experience

00:24:51.840 tells me that

00:24:52.540 he's not going to

00:24:53.340 listen to that

00:24:54.060 advice Pierce

00:24:54.820 I don't think

00:24:56.560 I don't think

00:24:57.680 he cares

00:24:58.260 how long it goes on

00:24:59.700 we'll have a cup of tea

00:25:01.020 and settle it over

00:25:01.960 over some scones

00:25:03.100 and a cup of tea

00:25:03.900 but I also think

00:25:05.120 I also think

00:25:05.980 President Trump

00:25:06.640 likes a storyline

00:25:07.940 and I

00:25:08.980 so I

00:25:09.500 my own impression

00:25:10.460 sitting over here

00:25:11.300 and I watched the whole interview

00:25:12.200 and I thought it was great

00:25:12.820 was

00:25:13.620 you're right

00:25:15.520 that's what annoyed him

00:25:16.640 he doesn't like being told

00:25:17.740 that he

00:25:18.080 actually lost the election

00:25:19.540 and we had

00:25:20.260 Bill Barr

00:25:20.880 his attorney general

00:25:21.680 on the program

00:25:22.200 talking about the same thing

00:25:23.160 that's why Bill Barr

00:25:23.820 got fired

00:25:24.320 basically forced to resign

00:25:25.620 because he said

00:25:26.860 Mr. President

00:25:27.400 your fraud claims are BS

00:25:28.760 and there's a whole host

00:25:30.100 of people

00:25:30.480 who he's sort of

00:25:31.080 broken up with

00:25:31.780 who have said

00:25:33.380 what you said to him

00:25:34.340 he doesn't like to hear it

00:25:35.840 so I think the anger

00:25:36.720 was real

00:25:37.960 but I think

00:25:39.120 you know

00:25:40.140 the beating of you

00:25:40.880 over and over

00:25:41.480 is part of a storyline

00:25:42.540 and on that front

00:25:44.600 so I think

00:25:45.260 you will

00:25:45.700 you know

00:25:46.060 he'll settle down eventually

00:25:46.820 but here's

00:25:47.680 here's what I wanted

00:25:48.240 to ask you about

00:25:48.720 the New York Post

00:25:50.440 did a headline about it

00:25:51.800 kind of

00:25:52.580 I don't know

00:25:53.320 if it was taking sides

00:25:54.160 but if it was taking a side

00:25:55.160 it was more your side

00:25:56.060 and then

00:25:57.560 Morning Joe

00:25:58.980 sorry to ask you

00:26:00.140 about these guys

00:26:00.740 but they went out there

00:26:02.100 and Joe Scarborough

00:26:03.220 was sort of

00:26:04.620 bemused

00:26:05.460 saying

00:26:05.960 this

00:26:06.620 the Piers Morgan interview

00:26:08.080 and then the New York Post

00:26:09.320 kind of siding with Piers

00:26:10.500 is the

00:26:11.580 the Murdochs

00:26:12.520 turning

00:26:13.420 on Trump

00:26:14.560 this is like

00:26:15.240 like you're

00:26:16.000 you're the Murdoch's puppet

00:26:17.240 and the New York Post

00:26:18.520 is the Murdoch's puppet

00:26:19.400 and Rupert Murdoch

00:26:20.260 is sitting up

00:26:20.820 in the ivory tower

00:26:21.700 saying

00:26:22.320 kill him

00:26:23.620 we're gonna

00:26:24.240 take him out

00:26:24.880 to me

00:26:26.060 this is so reminiscent

00:26:26.980 of what they said

00:26:27.680 about my debate

00:26:28.560 question to him

00:26:29.160 which was all mine

00:26:30.080 Rupert Murdoch

00:26:30.640 had nothing to do with

00:26:31.500 he's got more important

00:26:32.180 things to think

00:26:32.720 about debate questions

00:26:33.640 but what

00:26:34.600 what do you make

00:26:35.340 of that theory

00:26:35.980 that Joe Scarborough

00:26:36.740 is suggesting

00:26:37.260 that you and the Post

00:26:38.100 have been set out

00:26:38.660 to get him

00:26:39.320 because Rupert's

00:26:40.080 had it with Trump

00:26:40.720 it's just complete nonsense

00:26:43.100 I've had no instructions

00:26:44.120 from Mr Murdoch

00:26:45.280 or anyone at the Post

00:26:46.300 or anything else

00:26:46.820 it is what it is

00:26:48.060 you know if you watch

00:26:48.660 the interview

00:26:49.160 I agree with Donald Trump

00:26:50.720 about a number of things

00:26:51.760 that he said

00:26:52.300 in fact most things

00:26:54.040 I found myself

00:26:54.820 nodding in agreement

00:26:55.700 because he's actually

00:26:56.480 his gut instinct

00:26:57.500 about many things

00:26:58.480 going on in the world

00:26:59.380 is quite sound actually

00:27:01.000 despite the

00:27:01.760 inflammatory rhetoric

00:27:02.880 but on the central point

00:27:04.500 of whether the election

00:27:05.140 was stolen

00:27:05.720 I don't agree with him

00:27:07.040 and he just couldn't

00:27:08.000 handle it

00:27:08.680 and as you said

00:27:10.360 a number of other

00:27:10.920 senior Republicans

00:27:11.900 have had the same issue

00:27:12.640 with him

00:27:12.860 Mitch McConnell

00:27:13.420 Mike Pence

00:27:14.500 they've all been

00:27:15.240 disenfranchised by Trump

00:27:17.000 because they won't

00:27:17.640 buy into his

00:27:18.400 in my view

00:27:19.300 false narrative

00:27:20.360 with no substantial evidence

00:27:21.780 to support

00:27:22.360 what he's saying

00:27:23.160 that this was a rigged election

00:27:24.700 and I don't understand

00:27:25.840 why he wastes

00:27:26.360 all his energy on this anyway

00:27:27.420 because to me

00:27:28.980 he doesn't need to

00:27:29.600 if he wants to prove the point

00:27:30.740 he wants to prove the point

00:27:31.540 run again and win

00:27:32.740 that's the best

00:27:33.920 revenge is a dish

00:27:35.060 best tasting gold

00:27:36.160 and there wouldn't be

00:27:37.080 a more cold

00:27:37.760 or delicious dish

00:27:38.640 for Donald Trump

00:27:39.380 than to get re-elected

00:27:40.620 but I can assure you

00:27:41.660 this had nothing to do

00:27:42.940 with any instructions

00:27:43.940 of Rupert Murdoch

00:27:45.060 although he thought

00:27:45.900 it was a very good interview

00:27:46.900 and he thought

00:27:47.840 it was a good

00:27:49.220 robust exchange

00:27:50.180 of views and opinions

00:27:51.960 for 70 minutes

00:27:52.720 which it was

00:27:53.440 it wasn't really

00:27:54.920 about the way it ended

00:27:56.460 albeit Donald Trump

00:27:58.540 I think reveled in that

00:28:00.080 and whipped up his base

00:28:01.040 to think that it was

00:28:01.740 a rigged promo

00:28:02.880 and therefore

00:28:03.860 a rigged interview

00:28:04.820 but he's got to stop

00:28:05.640 thinking everything's rigged

00:28:06.640 he doesn't care

00:28:07.720 about a rigged promo

00:28:08.760 I'm just going to go out

00:28:09.820 and say he doesn't care

00:28:10.720 about the promo

00:28:11.440 you're right

00:28:12.460 it was that question

00:28:13.380 that upset him

00:28:14.200 and he doesn't care

00:28:15.240 that he handled it

00:28:16.200 just fine or not

00:28:17.060 in the moment

00:28:17.580 he's mad you even

00:28:18.580 raised that issue

00:28:20.000 been there

00:28:21.260 I think your relationship

00:28:23.300 with him over the years

00:28:24.120 will show

00:28:24.620 you'll come back

00:28:25.880 you'll come back together

00:28:26.760 and I think so

00:28:28.160 it's net net

00:28:29.640 it's all great promo

00:28:30.520 for you

00:28:30.920 so all right

00:28:31.500 more with Piers Morton

00:28:32.260 coming up after this

00:28:33.020 we're going to get

00:28:33.400 into the latest

00:28:34.060 from the palace

00:28:34.800 and Netflix

00:28:35.860 giving Meghan Markle

00:28:37.300 some rather bad news

00:28:38.700 at the same time

00:28:39.400 she gets some

00:28:39.920 from the queen

00:28:40.600 all right Piers

00:28:46.460 so your old pal

00:28:47.800 Meghan Markle

00:28:48.440 had some bad news

00:28:49.320 double shot of bad news

00:28:50.460 over the past week

00:28:51.380 first Netflix

00:28:52.520 canceled her debut

00:28:53.780 animated series

00:28:54.860 Pearl

00:28:55.460 which is going to be

00:28:56.680 about some

00:28:57.200 woke little 12 year old

00:28:58.820 discovering her wokeness

00:29:00.040 as far as I can tell

00:29:01.060 from the descriptions

00:29:01.720 shockingly even Netflix

00:29:03.260 has decided

00:29:04.000 that won't work

00:29:05.400 so they pulled it

00:29:07.060 and she's scrubbed it

00:29:08.080 now from her

00:29:08.640 Archwell

00:29:09.280 Foundation website

00:29:11.420 nobody wants to see that

00:29:12.360 they're absolutely right

00:29:13.340 so first project

00:29:14.860 does not even get

00:29:15.540 off the ground

00:29:16.100 before it's canceled

00:29:16.940 and then secondly

00:29:17.900 the queen

00:29:19.120 you mentioned

00:29:19.480 she's going to have

00:29:20.080 her jubilee

00:29:20.700 her 75th anniversary

00:29:22.040 on the throne

00:29:22.920 in a couple of weeks

00:29:24.380 and she has decided

00:29:25.500 who will be

00:29:25.940 on the official balcony

00:29:27.020 which you know

00:29:28.080 you can explain to us

00:29:28.960 why that matters

00:29:30.060 but not everybody

00:29:30.920 gets up there with her

00:29:31.880 and these two

00:29:33.160 did not make the cut

00:29:34.760 Meghan and Harry

00:29:35.420 are not on the list

00:29:36.420 neither is Prince Andrew

00:29:37.540 and it almost seems

00:29:38.640 like there's sort of

00:29:39.180 an A list of royals now

00:29:40.300 and a B or D list

00:29:41.680 of royals now

00:29:42.400 and these two

00:29:43.160 are suddenly realizing

00:29:44.000 they're on the ladder

00:29:45.340 yeah well

00:29:46.180 and quite rightly too

00:29:47.420 I think it's a very

00:29:49.080 interesting double whammy

00:29:50.120 because what these two

00:29:51.800 have tried to do

00:29:52.540 is set up a rival

00:29:53.400 royal family

00:29:54.320 but without any

00:29:55.100 of the boring bits

00:29:56.000 they don't want to do

00:29:56.900 any of the duty

00:29:57.740 that goes with

00:29:58.400 having royal titles

00:29:59.560 what they've done

00:30:00.760 is move out of the country

00:30:02.200 go to California

00:30:03.460 set up a rival

00:30:04.840 royal entity

00:30:05.780 which exploits

00:30:07.640 their royal titles

00:30:08.620 Duke and Duchess

00:30:09.600 for hundreds of millions

00:30:10.980 of dollars

00:30:11.460 to gullible companies

00:30:12.640 like Spotify

00:30:13.640 and Netflix

00:30:14.200 you think they're interesting

00:30:15.240 well they're not interesting

00:30:16.520 they just

00:30:17.080 they just

00:30:17.860 blather away

00:30:19.140 with their

00:30:19.640 hypocritical

00:30:20.800 pious

00:30:21.500 woke homilies on life

00:30:22.940 and it gets very boring

00:30:24.400 over time

00:30:25.180 and as we now see

00:30:26.960 when she comes up

00:30:28.300 with this idea

00:30:29.000 of an animated series

00:30:30.980 based on her own

00:30:31.860 wondrously inspiring story

00:30:33.480 Netflix

00:30:34.260 who are having

00:30:34.800 financial problems

00:30:35.820 at the moment

00:30:36.320 have looked at the numbers

00:30:37.500 and gone

00:30:37.880 no one's going to watch this

00:30:39.120 why would they

00:30:39.780 why would they want to

00:30:40.980 talk about her

00:30:42.720 being some

00:30:43.300 iconic inspiring figure

00:30:44.960 she's not

00:30:45.620 so they've canned it

00:30:46.820 which is I would think

00:30:47.920 a really worrying moment

00:30:49.320 for the Sussex brand

00:30:51.420 because

00:30:51.920 they rely

00:30:52.860 on their nonsense

00:30:54.280 being worth a lot of money

00:30:55.580 to these companies

00:30:56.320 then you have

00:30:57.300 the double whammy

00:30:58.080 of the Queen

00:30:58.880 deciding

00:30:59.420 that the balcony

00:31:00.620 is not going to have them

00:31:02.120 for the famous

00:31:03.500 Trooping of the Colour

00:31:04.360 which is a huge celebration

00:31:05.660 of pageantry

00:31:06.360 in the UK

00:31:06.860 around the Queen's

00:31:08.320 birthday

00:31:08.820 and this time

00:31:09.640 we'll be honouring

00:31:10.240 of course

00:31:10.640 the Platinum Jubilee

00:31:11.840 70 years on the throne

00:31:12.900 and if you're on the balcony

00:31:14.740 you're one of the top

00:31:15.660 royal players

00:31:16.340 and the royals

00:31:17.760 in the end

00:31:18.380 are probably the biggest stars

00:31:19.540 in the world

00:31:20.360 and have been

00:31:21.460 for the last century

00:31:22.660 so if you're on

00:31:24.020 the top tier

00:31:24.980 literally

00:31:25.860 the balcony

00:31:26.660 you're one of the biggest stars

00:31:28.460 in the world

00:31:28.840 the moment you get shoved

00:31:29.960 off the balcony

00:31:30.600 then you're deemed

00:31:32.000 to be a lesser royal

00:31:33.180 so they've got problems

00:31:34.900 in their renegade royal life

00:31:36.660 and they've now got problems

00:31:38.280 in the real world

00:31:39.480 of their royal status

00:31:40.760 because the royal family

00:31:41.800 have gone

00:31:42.100 you know what

00:31:42.660 we're only going to have

00:31:44.020 people on the balcony

00:31:44.720 who actually put a shift in

00:31:46.140 who actually do their duty

00:31:47.780 who earn their royal titles

00:31:49.580 who don't trash us

00:31:51.220 and the monarchy

00:31:51.860 morning, noon, or night

00:31:53.220 who don't constantly

00:31:54.540 give interviews

00:31:55.340 rubbishing everything

00:31:56.760 that we stand for

00:31:57.660 and I say

00:31:58.460 hallelujah

00:31:59.280 should have done that

00:32:00.320 a long time ago

00:32:01.180 your majesty

00:32:01.720 and go a bit further

00:32:03.000 and take away

00:32:03.800 their royal titles

00:32:04.600 altogether

00:32:05.300 they don't deserve them

00:32:06.800 and by their own yardstick

00:32:08.360 if the monarchy's that bad

00:32:09.460 they shouldn't want them

00:32:10.460 there's reporting out

00:32:12.760 right now

00:32:13.160 that Tina Brown's

00:32:14.180 got this new book out

00:32:15.000 about the royals

00:32:15.620 and her reporting

00:32:16.640 is that Meghan Markle

00:32:17.700 didn't understand

00:32:19.020 that Princess Diana

00:32:20.040 who she wanted to be just like

00:32:21.720 quote

00:32:22.700 had to work like a dog

00:32:23.840 for more than a decade

00:32:24.800 within the royal family

00:32:25.720 before becoming

00:32:26.520 a global humanitarian

00:32:28.080 superstar

00:32:28.860 she says

00:32:30.240 Tina Brown says

00:32:31.280 it was Diana's charisma

00:32:32.660 that she brought to the job

00:32:34.380 that made her

00:32:34.960 so extraordinarily special

00:32:36.740 but Meghan didn't realize

00:32:38.520 that for 16 or 17 years

00:32:40.020 Diana was working like this

00:32:41.440 doing a great deal

00:32:42.580 of very humdrum assignments

00:32:44.240 before the world

00:32:45.180 fell in love with her

00:32:46.200 you can't just

00:32:47.380 snap your fingers

00:32:48.320 and be Diana

00:32:50.080 no you can't

00:32:51.460 and she isn't fit

00:32:52.900 to lace Diana's

00:32:54.080 regal boots

00:32:55.260 I knew Diana well

00:32:56.340 had lunch with her

00:32:58.020 and William

00:32:58.420 just the three of us

00:32:59.340 at Kensington Palace

00:33:00.220 used to speak to her

00:33:01.240 on the phone

00:33:01.620 quite regularly

00:33:02.320 I knew her well

00:33:03.480 she was the biggest

00:33:04.300 superstar in the world

00:33:05.360 that I've ever seen

00:33:06.520 actually

00:33:07.100 bigger than anyone

00:33:08.540 you could think of

00:33:09.380 a mesmerizing beauty

00:33:11.160 who captivated the world

00:33:13.360 and when she died

00:33:14.460 it was one of the biggest

00:33:15.860 shocks to the planet

00:33:16.960 that any individual's

00:33:18.460 death has ever caused

00:33:19.720 so the idea that

00:33:21.080 Meghan Markle

00:33:22.040 is anywhere near

00:33:22.840 that level of fame

00:33:24.840 or reverence

00:33:25.900 or that the public

00:33:28.140 feel the same way

00:33:28.920 about her

00:33:29.260 is complete nonsense

00:33:30.280 as is by the way

00:33:32.080 her continued

00:33:32.800 kind of

00:33:33.440 oh I didn't know

00:33:34.200 that's what royal life

00:33:35.000 was like

00:33:35.360 yes you did

00:33:36.100 you just didn't fancy

00:33:37.180 putting the shifts in

00:33:38.160 she just didn't want

00:33:39.500 to go to

00:33:40.160 the north of England

00:33:41.220 on a wet Wednesday

00:33:42.080 and open a flower show

00:33:43.380 but that's what

00:33:44.240 all the royals do

00:33:45.040 they do stuff like that

00:33:46.360 they do dreary

00:33:47.240 dutiful work

00:33:48.300 because in return

00:33:49.160 they live in palaces

00:33:50.000 and have servants

00:33:50.800 and the rest of it

00:33:51.520 but Meghan Markle

00:33:52.540 wanted all the good stuff

00:33:53.620 she didn't want to

00:33:54.660 didn't want to do

00:33:55.240 any work for it

00:33:55.980 so instead she thought

00:33:56.980 I'll take Harry

00:33:57.920 back to California

00:33:58.800 set up a rival

00:33:59.920 royal family

00:34:00.580 and we'll sell

00:34:01.980 the royal status

00:34:03.020 we have

00:34:03.540 to the highest bidder

00:34:04.680 which is

00:34:05.520 ruthlessly commercial

00:34:06.880 and is now

00:34:07.800 falling flat

00:34:08.640 on their faces

00:34:09.220 because these companies

00:34:10.120 like Netflix

00:34:10.780 have overstretched themselves

00:34:12.400 with their commitment

00:34:13.100 to these two

00:34:13.760 realise they're getting

00:34:14.840 nothing of any value back

00:34:16.340 and they're seeing

00:34:17.460 the status of Meghan

00:34:18.500 and Harry

00:34:18.940 diminished by the Queen

00:34:20.320 with this balcony decision

00:34:21.740 so they're thinking

00:34:22.480 well who have we got here

00:34:23.380 we've got some

00:34:24.120 lower tier royals

00:34:25.900 who constantly

00:34:26.840 whine about everything

00:34:28.180 produce very boring

00:34:29.720 woke content

00:34:30.960 at a time

00:34:31.940 when we need

00:34:32.640 more rivals

00:34:33.300 no thanks

00:34:34.000 so my prediction

00:34:35.100 is that they will

00:34:35.840 carry on losing

00:34:36.600 their deal

00:34:37.160 because they have

00:34:38.620 nothing else of value

00:34:39.600 other than trashing

00:34:40.360 the family

00:34:40.900 and the family's decided

00:34:42.340 we're going to distance

00:34:43.280 ourselves from these two

00:34:44.300 and so they can't even

00:34:45.420 get the access

00:34:46.020 they want

00:34:46.440 to their own

00:34:47.500 members of their own

00:34:48.080 family

00:34:48.400 I mean quite

00:34:48.760 extraordinary situation

00:34:49.700 but that's where we are

00:34:50.760 so you're exactly right

00:34:51.920 because the Netflix

00:34:52.720 is reportedly

00:34:53.660 a angry

00:34:54.900 that Prince Harry

00:34:55.580 gave an interview

00:34:56.180 to NBC

00:34:56.800 while he's on their

00:34:57.940 payroll for a hundred

00:34:58.760 million dollars

00:34:59.380 trying to give them

00:35:00.040 supposed to give them

00:35:01.020 content

00:35:01.540 about the royals

00:35:02.960 and his life

00:35:03.460 and so on

00:35:03.900 meanwhile they got stuck

00:35:04.780 doing some documentary

00:35:05.720 about his Invictus games

00:35:06.960 and the real dish

00:35:08.340 he saved apparently

00:35:10.240 and there's a report

00:35:11.380 that they want him

00:35:12.620 and Meghan

00:35:13.540 to start talking

00:35:14.280 about the royal family

00:35:15.460 in order to earn

00:35:16.520 that hundred million bucks

00:35:17.580 and they don't want

00:35:18.480 to hear about

00:35:19.000 12 year old little Pearl

00:35:20.200 and they're not that

00:35:21.180 into the backstories

00:35:22.260 of the Invictus games

00:35:23.320 and in the same way

00:35:24.360 Spotify just dumped

00:35:25.360 Michelle Obama

00:35:26.160 who didn't want to

00:35:27.380 talk about Michelle Obama

00:35:28.600 she wanted to talk

00:35:29.460 about just whatever

00:35:30.180 woke content

00:35:30.820 she was pushing

00:35:31.520 they dumped her

00:35:32.700 Meghan Markle's

00:35:33.740 first project

00:35:34.240 gets dumped

00:35:34.760 and now they're

00:35:35.440 reportedly under pressure

00:35:36.460 by Netflix

00:35:36.960 to deliver

00:35:37.980 what they

00:35:39.220 implicitly

00:35:40.180 promised

00:35:40.760 which is

00:35:41.420 stories about

00:35:42.480 the royal family

00:35:43.140 and now

00:35:43.520 Piers you tell me

00:35:44.400 I'm thinking

00:35:45.580 because I read

00:35:46.060 that the

00:35:46.440 British royal guard

00:35:48.860 or the palace royal guard

00:35:49.680 is trying to say

00:35:50.320 no

00:35:50.740 no Netflix cameras

00:35:52.620 when you come over here

00:35:53.800 for the Jubilee

00:35:54.440 you're not going to be

00:35:55.240 filming this

00:35:55.960 but now

00:35:56.700 with or without

00:35:57.240 those cameras

00:35:57.840 they're going to

00:35:58.380 have to worry

00:35:58.960 that everything

00:35:59.620 these two attend

00:36:00.460 is going to wind up

00:36:01.940 on some Netflix show

00:36:03.500 it's such a

00:36:04.940 tacky

00:36:05.540 tacky situation

00:36:06.740 and the queen

00:36:08.160 has to be protected

00:36:09.120 for Miss Nonstance

00:36:09.840 she's been so

00:36:10.680 magnificent

00:36:11.340 for seven decades

00:36:12.840 on the throne

00:36:13.460 one of the longest

00:36:14.560 serving leaders

00:36:15.340 in the history

00:36:15.980 of this planet

00:36:16.600 one of the most

00:36:17.500 respected

00:36:18.100 even if you don't

00:36:19.120 like the monarchy

00:36:20.200 people respect her

00:36:21.400 deeply beloved

00:36:22.920 in this country

00:36:23.620 96 years old

00:36:24.780 lost her husband

00:36:25.580 after 70 years

00:36:26.960 of marriage

00:36:27.400 Prince Philip

00:36:27.980 still grieving him

00:36:29.540 got the terrible

00:36:30.500 scandal of her son

00:36:31.940 Andrew

00:36:32.460 paying millions

00:36:33.780 to pay off

00:36:35.000 a woman who claimed

00:36:35.720 that she was underage

00:36:37.220 when he had sex

00:36:37.820 with her and so on

00:36:38.660 but she had a real

00:36:39.340 series of batterings

00:36:40.540 and the very last

00:36:41.340 thing she needs

00:36:42.100 are these two

00:36:43.120 yapping

00:36:43.680 whining

00:36:44.660 moaning hypocrites

00:36:46.460 the Sussexes

00:36:47.700 cashing in on being

00:36:49.600 royals

00:36:50.080 dumping on the royal

00:36:51.120 family

00:36:51.540 dumping on the monarchy

00:36:52.720 making her look bad

00:36:54.480 making her life

00:36:55.360 more difficult

00:36:55.900 at a time when

00:36:56.800 she's supposed to be

00:36:57.360 celebrating

00:36:57.900 the platinum jubilee

00:36:59.360 which makes her the

00:37:00.140 longest reigning

00:37:00.980 monarch in British

00:37:02.100 history

00:37:02.520 and this country

00:37:03.700 wants to celebrate

00:37:04.440 that

00:37:04.820 not have to worry

00:37:05.920 about these two

00:37:06.700 with their

00:37:07.120 Netflix crew

00:37:08.300 trying to exploit it

00:37:09.940 for personal

00:37:10.460 financial gain

00:37:11.320 if I was a queen

00:37:12.100 I'd just ban them

00:37:12.760 from coming altogether

00:37:13.580 that's the same thing

00:37:15.480 you stay in California

00:37:16.300 you made your bed

00:37:17.200 you made your bed

00:37:18.260 with your soya lattes

00:37:19.460 you drink those

00:37:20.600 on your Montecito

00:37:21.920 gardens

00:37:22.720 and leave us alone

00:37:23.660 thanks

00:37:23.960 yeah

00:37:24.200 Oprah's your new queen

00:37:25.460 what do you make

00:37:28.020 of the fact that

00:37:28.480 they're dangling

00:37:29.100 the grandkids now

00:37:30.240 as the lure

00:37:31.380 I guess

00:37:31.720 the great grandkids

00:37:32.920 so they're saying

00:37:33.800 they are going to bring

00:37:34.620 all of it is shameless

00:37:35.160 the little Archie

00:37:36.560 and Lilibet

00:37:37.460 whose name they stole

00:37:38.520 from the queen

00:37:39.080 as they were calling

00:37:39.820 her family racist

00:37:40.660 they're saying

00:37:41.600 we're going to come back

00:37:42.200 and we're taking

00:37:42.660 the children too

00:37:43.340 so more attention

00:37:44.260 to them

00:37:44.660 if you may remember

00:37:46.420 one of the reasons

00:37:47.000 they left the country

00:37:47.900 was to protect

00:37:48.560 the privacy of their kids

00:37:49.820 and yet all they do

00:37:51.540 is put them out there

00:37:52.800 and you can bet your life

00:37:55.260 they're going to pop up

00:37:56.060 in their Netflix documentaries

00:37:57.440 right

00:37:58.160 you can see it now

00:37:58.900 right

00:37:59.160 yes

00:37:59.580 we already

00:38:00.520 when she did her

00:38:01.180 one Spotify

00:38:01.940 podcast

00:38:02.800 you heard

00:38:03.680 one of the kids

00:38:04.220 voices on that

00:38:05.020 they're completely

00:38:06.380 shameless

00:38:06.860 and rankly hypocritical

00:38:08.440 they always do

00:38:09.360 the opposite

00:38:09.760 to what they say

00:38:10.360 they're about

00:38:10.800 they claim to be

00:38:11.640 about privacy

00:38:12.240 they do endless

00:38:13.240 interviews

00:38:13.660 they claim they want

00:38:14.620 to protect

00:38:14.960 their kids privacy

00:38:15.640 they constantly use them

00:38:17.120 and they will continue

00:38:18.020 to use them

00:38:18.640 and so on and so on

00:38:19.840 they're going to go

00:38:20.740 full Kardashian

00:38:21.420 with those children

00:38:22.240 they don't want privacy

00:38:23.960 I think they're already there

00:38:25.080 already there

00:38:26.020 in fact the Kardashians

00:38:27.600 make them look

00:38:28.100 almost regal

00:38:29.280 one other question

00:38:30.160 on the Tina Brown book

00:38:33.620 she's reporting

00:38:34.460 that the Queen's

00:38:36.860 2019 Christmas broadcast

00:38:38.320 was the final straw

00:38:39.420 for Harry and Meghan

00:38:40.180 before Megxit

00:38:41.000 Pierce

00:38:41.780 that they stepped down

00:38:43.740 as senior working royals

00:38:44.800 because their photo

00:38:46.660 was not displayed

00:38:47.760 during the Queen's

00:38:49.080 annual Christmas broadcast

00:38:50.600 this pushed them

00:38:51.760 over the edge

00:38:52.220 in their decision

00:38:52.700 to leave

00:38:53.340 because they understood

00:38:55.900 they'd been kicked

00:38:56.540 to the margins

00:38:57.120 of the monarchy

00:38:57.900 the year before

00:38:59.140 their engagement portrait

00:39:00.380 had been displayed

00:39:01.240 on her desk

00:39:02.160 so they felt

00:39:03.100 snubbed

00:39:03.820 by Her Majesty

00:39:04.900 Boo

00:39:06.020 Boo

00:39:06.680 I couldn't give

00:39:07.640 them monkeys

00:39:09.000 about it

00:39:09.980 are you familiar

00:39:10.820 with the phrase

00:39:11.300 monkeys

00:39:11.800 us

00:39:12.200 it means you just

00:39:12.740 don't care

00:39:13.440 who cares

00:39:14.900 about their

00:39:15.940 bruised little feelings

00:39:16.940 about a picture

00:39:17.580 on the piano

00:39:18.140 when the Queen's

00:39:18.800 talking

00:39:19.080 or whatever

00:39:19.500 whatever it was

00:39:20.540 the sideboard

00:39:21.280 the Queen can do

00:39:22.300 what the hell

00:39:22.840 she likes

00:39:23.240 she's earned that right

00:39:24.300 she's a magnificent

00:39:25.760 woman

00:39:26.200 who's earned the right

00:39:27.500 not to have to be bothered

00:39:28.900 with the pathetic

00:39:29.820 antics of these two

00:39:30.920 and Prince Harry

00:39:32.240 should grow up

00:39:33.020 and show his grandmother

00:39:33.860 more respect

00:39:34.580 the idea they want

00:39:36.040 on Oprah Winfrey

00:39:36.700 knowing Prince Philip

00:39:37.400 was ill

00:39:37.860 is unconscionable

00:39:39.260 and the idea

00:39:40.280 they've carried on

00:39:41.060 all this

00:39:41.460 knowing the Queen

00:39:42.140 did mourning

00:39:42.680 is unconscionable

00:39:44.180 so I think

00:39:45.440 they should just

00:39:46.120 honestly

00:39:46.540 the whole thing

00:39:47.700 is

00:39:48.540 deeply unedifying

00:39:51.060 for any member

00:39:52.160 of the royal family

00:39:52.880 and I think

00:39:53.920 I fear

00:39:54.460 they're going to

00:39:54.880 come to London

00:39:55.640 for the Jubilee

00:39:56.740 and just try

00:39:57.180 and hijack it

00:39:58.000 with their Netflix

00:39:58.720 crew in tow

00:39:59.500 and they're going

00:40:00.260 to try and make

00:40:00.680 it all about them

00:40:01.460 because that's

00:40:01.980 what their currency

00:40:02.620 is

00:40:02.980 their only value

00:40:04.200 in America

00:40:04.800 where they now live

00:40:05.740 is if they're

00:40:06.580 perceived to be

00:40:07.340 really big

00:40:07.980 important members

00:40:08.720 of the royal family

00:40:09.560 so they're going

00:40:10.240 to do everything

00:40:10.900 they can

00:40:11.500 including bringing

00:40:12.040 the kids

00:40:12.600 getting them

00:40:13.320 on camera

00:40:13.880 trying to boost

00:40:14.980 their royal status

00:40:15.940 because that's

00:40:16.760 where the money is

00:40:17.500 but that's not

00:40:18.820 how it works

00:40:19.420 I'm afraid

00:40:19.840 that's called

00:40:20.260 having a royal cake

00:40:21.020 and eat it

00:40:21.500 well we hope

00:40:22.860 they go back

00:40:23.520 across the pond

00:40:24.220 and they stay there

00:40:24.860 you can have them

00:40:25.620 we don't appreciate

00:40:26.460 this gift from England

00:40:27.600 this is not one

00:40:28.400 of your better gifts

00:40:29.200 no you can keep them

00:40:31.620 I'm allowing them

00:40:32.280 all right

00:40:34.100 let's talk about

00:40:35.040 speaking of woke

00:40:35.760 let's talk about

00:40:36.380 a couple of news headlines

00:40:37.140 that are out there

00:40:38.400 on this

00:40:38.820 you know Frank Langella

00:40:40.220 the actor

00:40:40.940 he's the latest

00:40:42.560 yes I do

00:40:43.280 he's the latest

00:40:44.100 victim of wokeism

00:40:45.800 or me tooism

00:40:47.160 and here's why

00:40:48.000 here's why I have a problem

00:40:49.440 with this story

00:40:50.240 Deadline broke the story

00:40:51.660 just last month

00:40:53.220 about the fact

00:40:53.780 that he got fired

00:40:55.260 from this Netflix

00:40:56.500 limited series

00:40:57.400 The Fall of the House of Usher

00:40:59.120 in which he was the star

00:41:00.100 he was the star

00:41:00.920 and he got booted

00:41:02.460 because of an alleged

00:41:03.400 Me Too situation

00:41:04.320 and here's the problem

00:41:05.280 I have

00:41:05.680 they won't name the woman

00:41:07.260 they won't name the actress

00:41:09.020 her name has been scrubbed

00:41:10.520 from the internet

00:41:11.020 TMZ apparently

00:41:11.800 initially reported it

00:41:12.800 you can't even get it

00:41:13.620 on the way way back machine

00:41:14.580 so she gets her

00:41:15.920 total anonymity

00:41:16.820 he gets fired

00:41:18.200 without an investigation

00:41:19.680 he says

00:41:20.320 no one ever

00:41:21.600 let him provide

00:41:23.000 his side of the story

00:41:23.780 anything

00:41:24.100 just booted

00:41:25.340 publicly smeared

00:41:26.300 gone

00:41:27.060 at age I think 84

00:41:28.700 and the allegation

00:41:30.700 so he's now come out

00:41:31.800 to say what his side

00:41:32.800 of the story is

00:41:33.640 and he says

00:41:34.960 look my first instinct

00:41:36.520 when they came to me

00:41:37.340 to say like

00:41:38.160 you've been accused

00:41:39.260 was to surround myself

00:41:41.800 by these professionals

00:41:42.660 these PR reps

00:41:43.820 these lawyers

00:41:44.540 all of whom said

00:41:45.960 you know

00:41:46.520 say nothing

00:41:47.280 you know

00:41:48.660 just be quiet

00:41:49.840 at most

00:41:51.340 go out there

00:41:52.400 and say you're sorry

00:41:53.160 do the talk shows

00:41:54.280 show contrition

00:41:55.360 feign humility

00:41:56.560 say you've learned a lot

00:41:57.960 apologize

00:41:58.500 apologize

00:41:58.980 apologize

00:41:59.460 and he says

00:42:01.120 no

00:42:02.060 right

00:42:02.400 like that's

00:42:02.900 I didn't do anything wrong

00:42:04.460 this is his description

00:42:05.860 on March 25th of this year

00:42:07.540 I was performing a love scene

00:42:08.600 with the actress

00:42:09.040 playing my young wife

00:42:09.980 both of us were fully clothed

00:42:11.380 I was sitting on a couch

00:42:12.360 she was standing in front of me

00:42:13.420 the director called cut

00:42:14.840 she said

00:42:15.960 the actress said

00:42:16.640 he touched my leg

00:42:18.300 that was not in the blocking

00:42:20.220 she turned and walked off the set

00:42:21.920 followed by the director

00:42:22.700 and the intimacy coordinator

00:42:24.460 peers

00:42:24.840 glad we don't have that

00:42:25.880 in our news sets

00:42:26.780 she left

00:42:28.760 she left the thing

00:42:29.560 and they told him

00:42:30.460 to give her some space

00:42:31.940 he waited for an hour

00:42:33.280 was told she would not be returning

00:42:34.840 and we were wrapped

00:42:35.620 not long after

00:42:37.140 an investigation did begin

00:42:38.560 but it didn't include much input

00:42:39.980 from him apparently

00:42:40.800 and one week later

00:42:42.020 HR asked to speak to him

00:42:43.140 by phone

00:42:43.680 they said

00:42:44.700 you were told

00:42:46.440 where to put your hands

00:42:47.480 it was brought to our attention

00:42:48.960 that you said

00:42:49.700 that's absurd

00:42:50.540 he said

00:42:51.380 of course I said

00:42:51.960 that's absurd

00:42:52.440 I'm an actor

00:42:53.140 it was a love scene

00:42:53.840 on camera

00:42:54.400 you're legislating

00:42:55.180 the placement of hands

00:42:56.240 it's ludicrous

00:42:57.480 it undermines instinct

00:42:58.640 and spontaneity

00:42:59.580 they said

00:43:00.200 intention is not our concern

00:43:02.560 because he said

00:43:03.080 I didn't intend to offend anybody

00:43:04.780 Netflix deals only

00:43:06.520 with impact

00:43:07.860 long story short

00:43:09.160 he got fired

00:43:09.820 and he thinks

00:43:11.440 his reputation

00:43:12.320 has been smeared

00:43:13.040 and probably

00:43:13.800 he's not going to work again

00:43:14.820 after this termination

00:43:16.560 late in his career

00:43:17.980 meanwhile

00:43:18.500 we don't know

00:43:19.160 who she was

00:43:19.840 what actually happened

00:43:21.140 and you tell me

00:43:22.100 whether any of this

00:43:22.940 is fair

00:43:23.540 I think if

00:43:24.520 what he has said

00:43:25.640 is true

00:43:26.260 it's completely outrageous

00:43:27.720 and it shows

00:43:28.620 just how

00:43:29.660 crazy

00:43:30.620 this situation

00:43:32.340 now is

00:43:33.040 I mean the idea

00:43:33.880 you have to have

00:43:34.360 intimacy coordinators

00:43:35.400 anyway on movie sets

00:43:36.320 seems to be ridiculous

00:43:37.340 when they're doing

00:43:38.280 love scenes

00:43:38.900 but a guy

00:43:39.940 of that age

00:43:40.740 and he apparently

00:43:41.560 put his hand

00:43:42.420 on the wrong part

00:43:43.820 of her leg

00:43:44.840 and that's it

00:43:46.140 that ruins his entire career

00:43:48.280 his reputation

00:43:49.040 he's branded a predator

00:43:50.680 for the rest of his life

00:43:51.660 really

00:43:52.060 is that where we've got to

00:43:53.560 you know

00:43:54.480 I just think

00:43:56.280 I interviewed Brian Cox

00:43:57.460 last week

00:43:57.860 Star of Succession

00:43:58.720 plays Logan Roy

00:43:59.700 one of my favourite characters

00:44:00.740 and he was bemoaning

00:44:02.140 this whole

00:44:02.740 cancelled culture

00:44:03.660 talking about

00:44:04.620 what happened

00:44:04.900 with Bill Murray

00:44:05.480 last week

00:44:06.160 in a similar situation

00:44:07.280 said something inappropriate

00:44:08.640 we don't know

00:44:09.020 what it was

00:44:09.720 we don't know

00:44:10.140 why it was so offensive

00:44:11.080 but you know

00:44:12.020 Bill Murray

00:44:12.420 again the guy

00:44:13.220 in his dotage

00:44:14.320 as an actor

00:44:14.800 hugely popular

00:44:15.720 and he now gets smeared

00:44:17.160 and may not work again

00:44:18.120 and you think

00:44:18.400 where does this end

00:44:19.160 this sort of

00:44:20.100 puritanical

00:44:20.980 slightly fascist

00:44:22.760 in its nature

00:44:23.540 cancel culture

00:44:25.080 where the slightest

00:44:26.140 deviation

00:44:27.080 from perfection

00:44:28.660 in terms of behaviour

00:44:29.820 or something you say

00:44:31.280 means you have to be

00:44:32.040 completely destroyed

00:44:33.000 I think we've become

00:44:34.160 an incredibly intolerant

00:44:35.680 unforgiving society

00:44:37.280 and it's being driven

00:44:38.180 by people who claim

00:44:40.020 to be representing tolerance

00:44:41.620 but they're the least

00:44:42.640 tolerant people

00:44:43.340 on God's earth

00:44:44.120 you know

00:44:44.660 the woke cancel culture

00:44:45.920 brigade

00:44:46.380 are a societal menace

00:44:48.780 to me

00:44:49.280 I want to hear

00:44:50.540 what this woman

00:44:51.340 wants to say about

00:44:52.360 I want to hear

00:44:53.980 exactly what she says

00:44:55.440 happened

00:44:56.020 because if it's

00:44:57.220 the same story

00:44:58.020 that he tells

00:44:58.920 then I think

00:45:00.100 we all just think

00:45:00.880 surely this is ridiculous

00:45:02.020 maybe it isn't

00:45:03.400 and maybe we're doing

00:45:04.300 her a disservice

00:45:05.020 I also don't get the

00:45:06.540 why does she get

00:45:07.220 to keep her anonymity

00:45:08.060 this is not

00:45:08.720 even arguably

00:45:09.720 a sexual abuse victim

00:45:10.820 this is somebody

00:45:11.580 who's claiming

00:45:11.960 he put his hand

00:45:12.900 on her leg

00:45:13.440 after the scene

00:45:14.160 wrapped

00:45:14.480 and another allegation

00:45:15.900 is he allegedly

00:45:16.380 told an off-color joke

00:45:17.520 I mean please

00:45:18.420 right

00:45:18.840 so since when

00:45:20.860 does the accuser

00:45:21.900 get to keep

00:45:22.500 her anonymity

00:45:23.960 in a workplace

00:45:25.220 sexual harassment

00:45:26.660 complaint situation

00:45:28.620 I mean the same thing

00:45:29.260 happened

00:45:29.560 I'll defend Chris Cuomo

00:45:30.620 here for a minute

00:45:31.380 when he was

00:45:32.540 hanging by a thread

00:45:33.580 and some woman

00:45:35.100 comes out

00:45:35.600 and anonymously

00:45:36.240 comes forward

00:45:36.800 and levies a complaint

00:45:38.060 and we get to know

00:45:38.660 all the

00:45:39.040 you know

00:45:39.560 okay so she's

00:45:40.240 levied this devastating

00:45:41.000 complaint that helps

00:45:41.800 lead to his termination

00:45:42.940 but we don't get to

00:45:44.060 know who she is

00:45:44.700 so nobody gets to

00:45:45.280 assess her credibility

00:45:46.140 her history of making

00:45:47.460 accusations

00:45:47.940 and so on

00:45:48.460 all of which are relevant

00:45:49.240 this is very lopsided

00:45:50.780 and it seems to me

00:45:51.800 unfair

00:45:52.380 I have to say

00:45:52.920 well it's Salem

00:45:53.860 wish trials

00:45:54.540 isn't it

00:45:55.000 and it's

00:45:55.560 you know

00:45:56.360 the trouble is

00:45:57.040 anyone can make

00:45:57.680 any accusation

00:45:58.400 about anybody

00:45:59.000 and that can be

00:46:00.420 enough to ruin

00:46:01.040 their entire reputation

00:46:02.080 and career

00:46:02.620 it cannot be fair

00:46:03.920 it cannot be right

00:46:04.540 it's got to be

00:46:04.820 due process here

00:46:05.820 and I think

00:46:07.340 you're right

00:46:07.720 if one half

00:46:08.900 of the debate

00:46:09.540 remains anonymous

00:46:10.840 and is protected

00:46:11.640 from having to

00:46:12.820 reveal who they are

00:46:13.900 and we can assess

00:46:14.900 whether they are

00:46:15.420 credible

00:46:15.800 then it's

00:46:16.780 completely skewed

00:46:17.640 against the person

00:46:18.400 that the allegations

00:46:19.000 made against

00:46:19.660 and like I say

00:46:21.080 if what Frank says

00:46:22.580 is true

00:46:23.000 about what happened

00:46:23.760 it seems preposterous

00:46:25.260 overreaction

00:46:25.980 and terrible

00:46:27.320 that he's now

00:46:27.940 having to

00:46:28.560 fight for his career

00:46:29.800 he writes

00:46:30.960 the indignities

00:46:32.160 are to my mind

00:46:33.540 the real definition

00:46:34.240 of unacceptable behavior

00:46:35.440 cancel culture

00:46:36.240 is the antithesis

00:46:37.240 of democracy

00:46:38.080 couldn't agree more

00:46:39.220 quick story

00:46:39.740 before you go

00:46:40.280 Brian Cox

00:46:41.260 who you just mentioned

00:46:41.880 from Succession

00:46:42.580 Logan Roy

00:46:43.180 he used to be

00:46:44.960 my neighbor

00:46:45.760 in New York City

00:46:46.880 when I first

00:46:47.540 moved to New York

00:46:48.440 yes

00:46:48.800 when I first moved

00:46:49.660 to New York

00:46:50.040 I rented

00:46:51.040 like the

00:46:52.140 second floor

00:46:53.340 apartment

00:46:53.840 in a little brownstone

00:46:55.180 so I had just

00:46:55.740 the second floor

00:46:56.440 I had a neighbor

00:46:56.940 downstairs

00:46:57.380 and a few

00:46:57.920 neighbors upstairs

00:46:58.520 and he had

00:46:59.900 the same apartment

00:47:01.460 in the neighboring

00:47:02.400 brownstone

00:47:03.140 and in this

00:47:04.220 neighborhood

00:47:04.600 down in Chelsea

00:47:05.460 in Manhattan

00:47:06.400 Halloween

00:47:08.040 is next level

00:47:09.340 Pierce

00:47:09.600 I mean it's crazy

00:47:10.560 so you know

00:47:11.560 as one neighbor

00:47:12.800 said to me

00:47:13.380 they said

00:47:14.000 whatever you're

00:47:15.040 doing

00:47:15.300 it's too little

00:47:16.060 so you go nuts

00:47:17.260 and you put out

00:47:17.760 a table in front

00:47:18.440 of your brownstone

00:47:19.160 and you get wine

00:47:19.980 and cheese and crackers

00:47:21.840 so Logan Roy

00:47:23.240 and I

00:47:23.660 were dealing

00:47:24.340 you know

00:47:24.780 candy out

00:47:25.540 to the children

00:47:26.160 having some wine

00:47:27.000 together years ago

00:47:27.940 little

00:47:28.740 I mean I knew

00:47:29.340 he'd been in

00:47:29.760 Braveheart

00:47:30.180 which was exciting

00:47:30.820 enough

00:47:31.140 but little

00:47:31.560 did I know

00:47:32.360 what he would

00:47:33.140 go on to do

00:47:33.800 so I'm jealous

00:47:34.500 that you interviewed

00:47:35.140 him

00:47:35.440 it sounds amazing

00:47:36.280 and you know

00:47:37.060 what was great

00:47:37.700 Megan about him

00:47:38.520 what was great

00:47:39.200 was he's so

00:47:40.220 thrilled

00:47:40.940 that at this stage

00:47:42.040 of his career

00:47:42.460 in his mid-70s

00:47:43.360 he's got the role

00:47:44.000 of his life

00:47:44.600 he loves playing

00:47:45.760 Logan Roy

00:47:46.380 he loves how big

00:47:47.680 he's going

00:47:47.980 so he walks out

00:47:48.560 on stage now

00:47:49.160 at events

00:47:49.560 and he gets

00:47:50.400 reaction like

00:47:51.160 he's Mick Jagger

00:47:51.880 he can't believe it

00:47:52.680 but he also told me

00:47:53.540 a wonderful little story

00:47:54.680 which we can

00:47:55.460 end this with

00:47:56.320 which really moved me

00:47:57.920 my middle boy

00:47:59.440 is an actor

00:47:59.940 my middle son

00:48:00.660 and he was at

00:48:01.920 a big drama school

00:48:02.680 in London

00:48:03.080 called Lambda

00:48:03.700 and that's where

00:48:04.140 Brian Cox had gone

00:48:05.080 and he went back

00:48:06.320 as an alumni

00:48:07.280 to speak to the

00:48:08.180 current students

00:48:08.860 when my son was there

00:48:09.680 and he was asked

00:48:11.480 what's the most

00:48:12.080 important thing

00:48:12.780 we should all remember

00:48:13.560 and he said

00:48:14.240 honestly

00:48:15.260 he said

00:48:15.580 do what I do

00:48:16.260 he said

00:48:16.520 carry a picture

00:48:17.700 of yourself

00:48:18.240 when you were a child

00:48:19.320 in your wallet

00:48:20.500 and just look at it

00:48:21.860 occasionally

00:48:22.280 remind yourself

00:48:23.180 of the childlike

00:48:24.160 enthusiasm

00:48:24.700 you had for life

00:48:26.040 so that you never

00:48:26.920 lose it

00:48:27.420 and I asked him

00:48:28.320 on air about the story

00:48:29.200 and I said

00:48:29.480 by the way

00:48:29.860 do you still have it

00:48:31.020 and he pulled out

00:48:31.840 his phone

00:48:32.240 and there was

00:48:32.720 the picture

00:48:33.120 on his phone

00:48:33.620 and he said

00:48:34.400 I look at this

00:48:34.920 regularly

00:48:35.360 and it was a picture

00:48:36.880 of him aged

00:48:37.480 seven or eight years old

00:48:38.560 and I said

00:48:39.320 what would you

00:48:39.780 feel if you were

00:48:41.560 that boy now

00:48:42.120 looking at

00:48:42.580 what's happened to you

00:48:43.400 do you feel

00:48:43.760 like you lived

00:48:44.260 all your dreams

00:48:44.900 and he thought

00:48:45.880 for a bit

00:48:46.320 and he said

00:48:46.720 you know what

00:48:47.180 yes

00:48:47.660 I've actually

00:48:48.840 managed to enjoy

00:48:50.640 all the dreams

00:48:52.020 that I had

00:48:52.440 as that boy

00:48:52.980 and maintain

00:48:54.160 my enthusiasm

00:48:54.900 for life

00:48:55.380 and I thought

00:48:55.680 that was a wonderful

00:48:56.360 little lesson

00:48:56.900 everyone should just

00:48:58.100 get a picture

00:48:58.720 of themselves

00:48:59.080 as a kid

00:48:59.660 put it in your pocket

00:49:00.880 and occasionally go

00:49:02.240 have I still

00:49:03.280 got that childlike

00:49:04.660 enthusiasm for life

00:49:05.740 and if not

00:49:06.280 how do I go

00:49:06.920 and get it again

00:49:07.540 I think I'd be thinking

00:49:09.400 this is a testament

00:49:10.700 to the modern medicine

00:49:11.940 of orthodontics

00:49:12.820 and hair dye

00:49:13.380 Piers Morgan

00:49:19.120 the one and only

00:49:20.020 good luck with the show

00:49:21.160 it's such a pleasure

00:49:21.800 to catch up

00:49:22.440 we'll be watching

00:49:23.060 thanks Megan

00:49:23.920 great to talk to you

00:49:25.060 all the best

00:49:25.800 up next

00:49:26.420 Tom Bevan

00:49:27.420 of Real Clear Politics

00:49:28.740 is with us

00:49:29.380 on all the latest

00:49:30.760 insanity in this country

00:49:31.920 and there's a lot

00:49:32.400 to go over

00:49:32.860 many in the media

00:49:37.500 have continued

00:49:38.080 their hysterical reaction

00:49:39.760 to the Supreme Court

00:49:40.940 leak

00:49:41.840 of their one time

00:49:43.620 draft opinion

00:49:44.540 on Roe vs. Wade

00:49:45.700 and whether it should

00:49:46.340 be overturned

00:49:47.120 something we have

00:49:47.600 no idea

00:49:47.960 whether it remains

00:49:49.380 in that same form

00:49:50.360 whether that will be

00:49:51.080 the final looking opinion

00:49:52.120 whether justices

00:49:53.300 may still switch over

00:49:55.520 and joining us now

00:49:56.760 to discuss all of it

00:49:57.660 is Tom Bevan

00:49:58.420 co-founder and president

00:49:59.560 of Real Clear Politics

00:50:00.960 if you don't go

00:50:01.560 to realclearpolitics.com

00:50:02.860 every morning

00:50:03.780 you're missing out

00:50:04.600 I've been doing it

00:50:05.180 for 15 years

00:50:06.340 I don't know how long Tom

00:50:07.380 but it's really how

00:50:08.580 I get my news

00:50:09.140 in the morning

00:50:09.560 I read the journal

00:50:10.380 and I read the times

00:50:11.460 I like the New York Post

00:50:12.980 and then I go to

00:50:13.580 realclearpolitics.com

00:50:14.880 because you can see

00:50:16.140 editorials from the left

00:50:17.060 and the right

00:50:17.620 and it allows your

00:50:18.280 brain not to be corrupted

00:50:20.080 by anyone's side

00:50:22.160 right

00:50:22.480 and even if you're

00:50:23.480 a diehard Republican

00:50:24.640 or a diehard lib

00:50:25.480 you want to know

00:50:27.040 what the other side

00:50:27.460 is saying

00:50:27.860 don't let anybody

00:50:28.480 manipulate your mind

00:50:29.740 take in information

00:50:30.960 from both sides

00:50:31.660 you guys do a great

00:50:32.300 great job of that

00:50:32.960 alright so let's

00:50:34.260 kick it off here

00:50:35.060 the latest news

00:50:36.220 is that yes

00:50:37.240 they're publishing

00:50:37.760 the justices addresses online

00:50:39.180 yes they protested

00:50:40.460 at Kavanaugh's

00:50:41.140 and Roberts houses

00:50:41.820 over the weekend

00:50:42.480 yes tonight

00:50:44.000 they're planning

00:50:45.040 shut down DC

00:50:46.840 announced a quote

00:50:47.820 vigil

00:50:48.960 at Justice Alito's house

00:50:50.780 I don't know what that means

00:50:51.820 vigil

00:50:52.300 okay

00:50:53.080 we'll see

00:50:54.140 so far they've been

00:50:55.480 rather ugly

00:50:56.080 and obnoxious

00:50:57.500 and Justice Thomas

00:50:59.500 spoke out saying

00:51:00.560 the court

00:51:01.040 will not

00:51:01.800 be bullied

00:51:02.580 according to Reuters

00:51:03.780 he went on to say

00:51:04.680 we are becoming

00:51:05.700 addicted

00:51:06.260 to wanting

00:51:07.280 particular outcomes

00:51:08.320 not living

00:51:09.380 with the outcomes

00:51:10.740 we don't like

00:51:11.980 and he goes on to say

00:51:12.980 we cannot be an institution

00:51:14.100 that can be bullied

00:51:14.980 into giving you

00:51:15.640 just the outcomes

00:51:16.360 you want

00:51:16.860 the events from earlier

00:51:18.100 this week

00:51:18.600 are a symptom

00:51:19.240 of that

00:51:20.820 so what do you make

00:51:22.320 of the fact that

00:51:23.060 still today

00:51:24.020 the White House

00:51:25.040 comes out

00:51:25.500 condemns

00:51:26.180 the Molotov cocktail

00:51:28.020 bombing

00:51:28.480 of a pro-life

00:51:29.440 organization

00:51:30.040 in Wisconsin

00:51:30.760 but still cannot

00:51:32.260 bring itself

00:51:32.780 to condemn

00:51:33.340 the protests

00:51:34.240 at the homes

00:51:34.940 of our justices

00:51:35.840 yeah well

00:51:36.440 first of all

00:51:37.020 Megan

00:51:37.300 it's great

00:51:37.580 to be with you

00:51:38.060 and thanks

00:51:38.420 for the kind

00:51:38.820 words about RCP

00:51:39.640 we do

00:51:40.200 we work pretty

00:51:41.040 hard every day

00:51:41.700 to try and bring

00:51:42.400 a variety

00:51:43.220 of opinions

00:51:43.740 from across

00:51:44.220 the political

00:51:44.600 spectrum

00:51:45.020 and I think

00:51:45.520 now more

00:51:47.000 than ever

00:51:47.620 it's more

00:51:48.540 important

00:51:49.200 for people

00:51:49.740 to read

00:51:50.440 you know

00:51:51.080 both sides

00:51:51.640 of an argument

00:51:52.160 and to try

00:51:52.860 and you know

00:51:53.480 figure out

00:51:53.860 for themselves

00:51:54.460 what they

00:51:55.760 believe

00:51:56.400 because there's

00:51:56.980 a lot of

00:51:57.520 you know

00:51:58.400 there's a lot

00:51:58.780 of opinion

00:51:59.160 now even

00:51:59.600 in the news

00:52:00.100 stories

00:52:00.480 so

00:52:00.800 but to your

00:52:02.200 point

00:52:02.500 you know

00:52:03.460 Jen Psaki

00:52:04.020 just released

00:52:05.020 a tweet

00:52:05.840 I guess

00:52:06.520 about an

00:52:07.400 hour ago

00:52:07.860 saying that

00:52:08.500 you know

00:52:09.200 POTUS strongly

00:52:10.040 believes in the

00:52:10.780 constitutional right

00:52:11.500 to protest

00:52:12.080 but that should

00:52:12.520 never include

00:52:13.060 violence

00:52:13.400 threats

00:52:13.700 or vandalism

00:52:14.380 judges perform

00:52:15.440 an incredibly

00:52:15.880 important function

00:52:16.560 in our society

00:52:17.160 and they must

00:52:17.620 be able to

00:52:17.960 do their

00:52:18.220 jobs

00:52:18.460 without concern

00:52:19.060 for their

00:52:19.380 personal safety

00:52:20.100 great

00:52:21.480 fantastic

00:52:22.660 should have

00:52:23.580 been said

00:52:23.880 five days

00:52:24.440 ago

00:52:24.680 six days

00:52:25.920 ago

00:52:26.260 when these

00:52:27.480 protests

00:52:27.900 started to

00:52:28.420 take shape

00:52:28.900 I think

00:52:29.280 it's

00:52:29.560 it's too

00:52:29.960 little

00:52:30.160 too late

00:52:30.600 the signal

00:52:31.000 has already

00:52:31.320 been sent

00:52:31.920 when she

00:52:32.760 was asked

00:52:33.140 at the

00:52:33.320 White House

00:52:33.600 podium

00:52:33.920 about this

00:52:34.440 directly

00:52:34.860 and refused

00:52:35.360 to condemn

00:52:35.840 it

00:52:36.120 that was

00:52:37.660 all the

00:52:38.320 signal

00:52:38.600 that people

00:52:39.580 needed to

00:52:40.140 know

00:52:40.520 at least

00:52:41.300 folks on

00:52:41.700 the left

00:52:42.020 that this

00:52:42.620 was going

00:52:42.980 to be

00:52:43.540 tolerated

00:52:44.300 and we

00:52:45.820 saw a lot

00:52:46.600 of that

00:52:46.880 in the

00:52:47.180 media

00:52:47.420 as well

00:52:48.000 a lack

00:52:49.480 of condemnation

00:52:50.400 of what

00:52:51.480 is clearly

00:52:52.080 an effort

00:52:52.560 to intimidate

00:52:53.400 justices

00:52:54.100 you can call

00:52:54.680 it free

00:52:55.100 speech

00:52:55.500 but it

00:52:55.880 is expressly

00:52:57.140 prohibited

00:52:57.560 by the

00:52:57.980 law

00:52:58.240 and so

00:52:59.260 unless that

00:52:59.780 law changes

00:53:00.400 what these

00:53:01.420 folks are

00:53:01.780 doing

00:53:02.160 is illegal

00:53:03.380 and should

00:53:03.960 be condemned

00:53:04.480 but they

00:53:05.820 they won't

00:53:06.620 it won't be

00:53:07.160 condemned

00:53:07.560 in any

00:53:08.040 explicit terms

00:53:08.900 it will be

00:53:09.480 encouraged

00:53:10.020 I mean

00:53:10.600 Barack

00:53:10.920 Obama

00:53:11.280 his only

00:53:11.960 the Obamas

00:53:12.520 are saying

00:53:12.840 get out

00:53:13.120 there and

00:53:13.340 protest

00:53:13.600 they're not

00:53:13.980 saying at

00:53:14.260 the Supreme

00:53:14.580 Court's

00:53:14.920 house

00:53:15.120 but that's

00:53:15.820 their answer

00:53:16.300 get out

00:53:16.640 there and

00:53:16.860 protest

00:53:17.160 get out

00:53:17.460 there and

00:53:17.660 protest

00:53:18.040 and I

00:53:19.020 don't

00:53:19.100 know

00:53:19.180 I would

00:53:19.380 say

00:53:19.640 I think

00:53:20.100 overall

00:53:20.660 it's been

00:53:21.100 a little

00:53:21.320 lackluster

00:53:22.060 I haven't

00:53:22.680 I haven't

00:53:23.100 been exactly

00:53:23.520 moved by

00:53:24.220 the number

00:53:24.560 of people

00:53:24.960 I've seen

00:53:25.400 out there

00:53:25.800 I have

00:53:26.660 been surprised

00:53:27.240 at some

00:53:27.720 of the

00:53:28.000 lunacy

00:53:28.680 that we've

00:53:29.660 seen out

00:53:30.060 there in

00:53:30.320 the punditry

00:53:30.980 why this

00:53:32.000 woman was

00:53:32.400 on MSNBC

00:53:33.120 in the first

00:53:33.540 place I have

00:53:33.900 no idea

00:53:34.380 it's somebody

00:53:34.920 named Laurie

00:53:35.460 Kilmartin

00:53:36.140 I guess

00:53:36.520 she's a

00:53:36.960 she's a

00:53:37.860 comedian

00:53:38.340 I don't

00:53:38.840 know what

00:53:39.180 she is

00:53:39.640 why she's

00:53:40.600 asked to

00:53:40.980 speak on

00:53:41.580 Roe versus

00:53:42.120 Wade

00:53:42.520 says a lot

00:53:43.660 about the

00:53:44.060 level of

00:53:44.680 commentary

00:53:45.100 we're getting

00:53:45.660 in today's

00:53:46.180 day and age

00:53:46.680 but take a

00:53:47.480 listen to this

00:53:47.940 nutcase over

00:53:48.760 on MSNBC

00:53:49.500 soundbite

00:53:50.000 nine

00:53:50.280 here's my

00:53:51.100 feeling about

00:53:51.760 the leaker

00:53:52.300 I would like

00:53:53.480 to find out

00:53:54.220 who the

00:53:54.560 leaker is

00:53:56.660 sweet love

00:53:57.500 to that

00:53:58.000 person

00:53:58.480 because

00:53:59.320 that person

00:54:00.440 is a hero

00:54:00.960 to me

00:54:01.480 okay

00:54:02.700 and if the

00:54:04.180 leaker

00:54:04.520 a lot of

00:54:04.900 people are

00:54:05.200 saying it

00:54:05.520 could be

00:54:05.780 a conservative

00:54:06.340 if the

00:54:07.060 leaker

00:54:07.300 is a

00:54:07.700 Republican

00:54:08.180 and if

00:54:09.580 I get

00:54:09.860 pregnant

00:54:10.200 during our

00:54:10.780 lovemaking

00:54:11.300 I will

00:54:11.960 joyfully

00:54:12.660 abort

00:54:13.180 our fetus

00:54:13.960 lovely

00:54:15.920 nice

00:54:17.020 right

00:54:18.560 look I

00:54:19.860 agree

00:54:20.560 I mean

00:54:20.900 the level

00:54:21.740 of hysteria

00:54:22.620 and commentary

00:54:23.560 around this

00:54:24.600 has been

00:54:25.140 has been

00:54:25.680 ridiculous

00:54:26.120 and again

00:54:27.160 going back

00:54:28.580 to specifically

00:54:29.680 the leaker

00:54:30.140 I think

00:54:30.400 we're going

00:54:30.600 to find

00:54:30.860 out who

00:54:31.080 this person

00:54:31.500 is pretty

00:54:32.480 quickly

00:54:32.920 and they

00:54:35.180 should be

00:54:35.520 condemned

00:54:35.860 and they

00:54:36.620 won't be

00:54:37.160 in certain

00:54:37.540 circles

00:54:37.860 they'll be

00:54:38.360 celebrated

00:54:39.260 and probably

00:54:42.180 get a book

00:54:42.860 deal or maybe

00:54:43.360 even a

00:54:43.660 contributorship

00:54:44.260 on MSNBC

00:54:45.100 but they

00:54:46.380 have definitely

00:54:46.900 undermined the

00:54:47.920 institution of

00:54:48.520 the Supreme

00:54:48.800 Court

00:54:49.140 and that's

00:54:51.080 something that

00:54:51.520 all Americans

00:54:52.420 regardless of

00:54:53.900 your political

00:54:54.340 perspective

00:54:54.860 should be

00:54:55.840 should be

00:54:56.740 concerned about

00:54:57.320 I will say

00:54:58.020 this Megan

00:54:58.480 too

00:54:58.720 you know

00:54:59.040 you read

00:54:59.640 as we're

00:55:00.120 as we're

00:55:00.400 going through

00:55:00.980 and if you

00:55:01.740 can sort

00:55:02.200 through the

00:55:02.840 the partisan

00:55:04.100 you know

00:55:05.140 hysteria on

00:55:06.080 this

00:55:06.400 and I think

00:55:07.480 one of the

00:55:07.840 reasons Jen

00:55:08.440 Psaki released

00:55:09.040 that tweet

00:55:09.380 is I don't

00:55:09.980 think this

00:55:10.740 is certainly

00:55:11.220 not the

00:55:11.680 silver bullet

00:55:12.280 the Democrats

00:55:12.960 think it's

00:55:14.140 going to be

00:55:14.840 for them

00:55:15.260 politically

00:55:15.760 as as

00:55:17.600 their savior

00:55:18.040 for the

00:55:18.360 midterm

00:55:18.600 elections

00:55:19.000 there's an

00:55:19.460 article this

00:55:19.900 morning in

00:55:20.240 Reuters

00:55:20.560 they went

00:55:21.980 walked around

00:55:22.640 Scottsdale

00:55:23.660 suburb of

00:55:25.000 Phoenix and

00:55:25.980 fairly well to

00:55:27.500 do suburb

00:55:28.180 and interviewed

00:55:29.540 about 40

00:55:30.400 women and

00:55:31.200 one of the

00:55:31.760 women that

00:55:32.360 they cite

00:55:33.000 very prominently

00:55:34.180 up high in

00:55:34.540 the article is

00:55:35.020 a 61 year old

00:55:35.900 woman who's a

00:55:36.420 who was a

00:55:37.080 Biden voter

00:55:37.820 who knew

00:55:39.660 about the

00:55:40.220 decision had

00:55:41.180 heard about

00:55:41.660 the draft

00:55:42.600 of overruling

00:55:43.620 Roe v.

00:55:43.980 Wade and

00:55:44.820 said she's

00:55:45.240 still undecided

00:55:45.980 on who she's

00:55:46.480 going to vote

00:55:46.800 for because

00:55:47.320 inflation is the

00:55:48.960 most galvanizing

00:55:49.640 issue for her

00:55:50.240 not abortion

00:55:51.120 and that was

00:55:51.660 repeated over

00:55:52.920 the course of

00:55:53.460 these interviews

00:55:54.000 with these 40

00:55:54.640 separate women

00:55:55.200 and so I

00:55:56.900 just think that

00:55:57.500 this is not

00:55:58.520 going to

00:55:59.300 it's not going

00:56:00.600 to have the

00:56:00.920 political impact

00:56:01.720 that the

00:56:02.540 Democrats think

00:56:03.580 it's going to

00:56:04.040 be particularly

00:56:04.720 if there's

00:56:05.240 still $5 a

00:56:06.120 gallon $6

00:56:06.640 gallon gas

00:56:07.380 in November

00:56:07.820 and also if

00:56:09.360 the if all

00:56:10.160 of the all

00:56:11.220 of the hysteria

00:56:12.240 over you know

00:56:12.880 if America does

00:56:13.520 not turn into

00:56:14.120 the handmaiden's

00:56:14.780 tale over the

00:56:16.260 course of the

00:56:16.680 summer then you

00:56:18.540 know the

00:56:19.620 world isn't

00:56:20.300 going to come

00:56:20.640 to an end

00:56:21.180 and I think

00:56:21.580 a lot of

00:56:21.980 these conversations

00:56:22.560 have already

00:56:22.880 been happening

00:56:23.460 in states

00:56:24.760 around the

00:56:25.080 country as

00:56:25.460 people have

00:56:25.860 had debates

00:56:27.100 and laws

00:56:27.640 have been

00:56:27.860 passed and

00:56:28.440 the like

00:56:28.780 and so I

00:56:30.020 just don't

00:56:30.340 think it's

00:56:30.680 going to

00:56:30.820 have the

00:56:31.080 potency

00:56:31.500 it's going

00:56:32.100 to be

00:56:32.260 tough to

00:56:32.580 keep the

00:56:32.820 outrage

00:56:33.100 machine

00:56:33.420 cranked up

00:56:34.000 for six

00:56:34.400 more months

00:56:34.920 yeah well

00:56:36.380 I guess that

00:56:37.040 could arguably

00:56:37.520 support the

00:56:38.420 notion that

00:56:38.860 the conservatives

00:56:39.360 leaked it

00:56:40.260 that a

00:56:40.540 conservative

00:56:40.940 law clerk

00:56:41.460 leaked it

00:56:42.080 just get it

00:56:42.480 out rip

00:56:42.940 the band-aid

00:56:43.380 off get the

00:56:44.260 buzz going on

00:56:44.780 the opinion

00:56:45.100 as soon as

00:56:45.560 possible as far

00:56:46.240 away from

00:56:46.560 the midterm

00:56:46.920 again I

00:56:47.620 still think it

00:56:48.380 was a liberal

00:56:48.760 law clerk but

00:56:49.360 it could be

00:56:49.980 I'm open-minded

00:56:50.940 on that statement

00:56:52.640 just to read it

00:56:53.200 again because

00:56:53.660 this actually came

00:56:54.660 in while I was

00:56:55.040 on the air

00:56:55.400 so Jen Psaki

00:56:56.420 she said

00:56:56.840 nothing this is

00:56:57.460 her first tweet

00:56:58.000 since last

00:56:58.440 Thursday radio

00:56:59.380 silence from

00:57:00.560 the White

00:57:00.840 House other

00:57:01.280 than her

00:57:02.140 generic statement

00:57:03.020 last week

00:57:03.540 which was

00:57:04.040 when asked

00:57:04.920 whether the

00:57:05.260 White House

00:57:05.600 condones

00:57:06.320 posting

00:57:06.980 justices

00:57:07.520 addresses

00:57:08.460 online their

00:57:09.560 home addresses

00:57:10.260 the most she

00:57:11.120 could muster

00:57:11.640 was the

00:57:12.520 president's view

00:57:13.180 is that there's

00:57:13.660 a lot of

00:57:14.040 passion a lot of

00:57:15.200 fear a lot of

00:57:16.020 sadness for

00:57:17.100 many many people

00:57:17.700 across the

00:57:18.080 country about

00:57:18.820 what they saw

00:57:19.300 in that leaked

00:57:19.820 document we

00:57:21.040 obviously want

00:57:21.580 people's privacy

00:57:22.260 to be respected

00:57:22.840 we want people

00:57:23.460 to protest

00:57:23.900 peacefully if

00:57:24.660 they want to

00:57:24.960 protest that

00:57:25.860 is certainly

00:57:26.200 what the

00:57:26.460 president's view

00:57:26.940 would be

00:57:27.260 protest and

00:57:28.840 protest peacefully

00:57:29.640 that's it not

00:57:30.340 to condemn

00:57:30.800 going to the

00:57:31.340 private homes

00:57:32.400 of the justices

00:57:33.080 and now today

00:57:34.060 he strongly

00:57:35.380 believes in the

00:57:36.320 constitutional right

00:57:37.020 to protest

00:57:37.600 same but that

00:57:38.700 should never

00:57:38.980 include violence

00:57:39.660 threats or

00:57:40.100 vandalism okay

00:57:41.060 the mere fact that

00:57:42.180 you're protesting

00:57:42.680 outside of their

00:57:43.320 homes is a

00:57:43.920 threat it is a

00:57:45.000 threat you look

00:57:45.560 at what the

00:57:45.920 messaging was

00:57:46.440 last year about

00:57:46.960 how they need

00:57:47.440 new tactics

00:57:48.260 in order to

00:57:49.400 make the

00:57:49.680 justices understand

00:57:50.680 how angry

00:57:51.160 people are

00:57:51.740 then she goes

00:57:52.480 on to say

00:57:52.800 judges perform

00:57:53.420 it in an

00:57:53.800 incredibly

00:57:54.140 important function

00:57:54.900 in our society

00:57:55.840 and they must

00:57:56.680 be able to do

00:57:57.140 their jobs

00:57:57.560 without concern

00:57:58.220 for their

00:57:58.480 personal safety

00:57:59.180 she can't bring

00:58:00.700 herself to do

00:58:01.540 it tell them

00:58:02.900 to leave the

00:58:04.000 justices homes

00:58:05.060 with their young

00:58:06.100 children inside

00:58:07.020 alone it's not

00:58:08.880 hard she won't

00:58:10.860 do it because

00:58:11.800 they're that

00:58:12.360 worried about

00:58:13.120 muting the

00:58:14.560 anger of

00:58:15.800 this rather

00:58:16.620 small section

00:58:17.560 of their

00:58:18.120 base

00:58:18.520 yeah I

00:58:19.960 think it's

00:58:20.280 right and

00:58:20.920 again the

00:58:21.800 thing about

00:58:22.200 this too that

00:58:22.720 bothers me is

00:58:23.400 is it's it's

00:58:24.340 it's very clear

00:58:25.480 that if if this

00:58:26.640 was conservatives

00:58:27.760 you know protesting

00:58:28.960 outside of

00:58:29.800 Sotomayor's home

00:58:30.900 or Lenny Kagan's

00:58:31.700 home that that

00:58:32.700 that this would be

00:58:33.420 the end of

00:58:33.720 democracy this is

00:58:34.580 it it's over

00:58:35.340 right it would

00:58:36.080 be uh just

00:58:37.280 just you know

00:58:37.940 these authoritarian

00:58:38.720 fascist

00:58:39.320 republicans and

00:58:40.160 we need you

00:58:41.180 know new

00:58:42.100 laws and and

00:58:43.500 you know throw

00:58:44.080 them in jail

00:58:44.520 the whole thing

00:58:45.360 um and here

00:58:46.580 it's just it's

00:58:47.340 just glossed

00:58:48.520 over um and

00:58:50.000 again that's in

00:58:52.320 some ways it's

00:58:53.840 par for the

00:58:54.340 course um you

00:58:55.940 know given our

00:58:56.440 current politics

00:58:57.060 and how tribal

00:58:57.680 everything is and

00:58:58.560 everyone is and

00:58:59.480 to your point i

00:59:00.600 think there is i

00:59:01.520 mean there's great

00:59:02.100 fear among

00:59:02.580 democrats if you

00:59:03.220 talk to any

00:59:03.680 democrat in

00:59:04.260 washington or

00:59:04.880 you know even

00:59:05.760 around the

00:59:06.180 country um

00:59:07.600 about the

00:59:08.260 political landscape

00:59:09.000 right now and

00:59:09.540 where things are

00:59:10.320 and what's coming

00:59:11.240 their way in

00:59:12.380 november unless

00:59:13.340 they're able to

00:59:14.360 to really flip

00:59:15.040 the script and

00:59:15.480 this is the only

00:59:16.220 thing that was

00:59:17.680 out there there

00:59:18.260 there is no

00:59:18.760 legislation that's

00:59:19.640 going to be

00:59:20.060 passed on any

00:59:21.640 issue between now

00:59:22.500 and november there

00:59:23.220 is no uh even

00:59:24.820 even world events

00:59:25.780 ukraine hasn't

00:59:26.680 changed the

00:59:27.640 landscape for the

00:59:29.420 democrats as some

00:59:30.680 thought it would it

00:59:31.480 might rally around

00:59:32.120 the president that

00:59:32.700 hasn't happened

00:59:33.300 so they they

00:59:34.820 really saw this

00:59:36.080 or see this as

00:59:37.540 as their one

00:59:38.440 opportunity to

00:59:39.420 really both

00:59:40.460 energize their

00:59:41.440 base but also

00:59:42.440 potentially win

00:59:43.360 over swing voters

00:59:44.020 because everything

00:59:44.580 they've tried up

00:59:45.120 until now even

00:59:45.800 student loan debt

00:59:46.940 and the like has

00:59:47.920 pitted those two

00:59:48.600 groups against each

00:59:49.320 other pleases the

00:59:50.120 base it alienates

00:59:51.060 swing voters

00:59:51.560 pleases swing

00:59:52.180 voters it alienates

00:59:53.140 the base and they

00:59:53.980 thought this was

00:59:54.500 going to be the

00:59:54.900 issue that could

00:59:56.060 do both um but

00:59:57.360 it's not looking i

00:59:58.920 mean in the early

00:59:59.480 stages it's not

01:00:00.260 looking to to be

01:00:01.400 that for them and

01:00:02.980 so it is it's just

01:00:03.880 great great amount

01:00:05.120 of fear and

01:00:05.540 anxiety among

01:00:07.040 democrats in terms

01:00:08.000 of their their

01:00:08.560 electoral prospects

01:00:09.440 in november so i

01:00:10.840 want to get i want

01:00:11.480 to get more on

01:00:11.960 that uh and

01:00:12.680 whether you know

01:00:13.460 people care about

01:00:14.060 this as much as

01:00:14.660 the democrats think

01:00:15.340 but before that

01:00:16.140 the subject of

01:00:17.420 norms you know

01:00:18.240 of course we've

01:00:18.820 been lectured to

01:00:19.320 by this group for

01:00:20.040 a long time about

01:00:20.920 norms how much we

01:00:22.260 need our norms and

01:00:23.260 how much of a

01:00:23.900 norm buster trump

01:00:24.620 was and how

01:00:25.060 dangerous it was

01:00:25.820 this is not

01:00:26.760 normal this is not

01:00:27.840 normal to go to

01:00:28.480 the home of a

01:00:29.060 supreme to post their

01:00:29.800 home addresses online

01:00:30.800 to get groups over

01:00:31.920 there to start

01:00:32.540 bombing um pro-life

01:00:34.660 facilities with

01:00:35.400 molotov cocktails

01:00:36.220 before we even have

01:00:37.080 a ruling we don't

01:00:37.820 even know what the

01:00:38.260 ruling says this is

01:00:39.440 absurd um not

01:00:41.660 normal and to your

01:00:43.620 point of like you

01:00:44.900 know i just the

01:00:47.260 the tribalism we

01:00:48.560 don't want this to

01:00:49.320 become a norm we

01:00:50.160 don't want the right

01:00:51.360 to then respond in

01:00:53.040 kind when kagan and

01:00:55.500 sotomayor and you

01:00:57.400 know our our

01:00:58.400 incoming justice

01:00:59.180 katanji brown

01:00:59.780 jackson come

01:01:01.140 together with two

01:01:02.200 other court members

01:01:02.880 to issue a five

01:01:03.700 four decision the

01:01:04.280 other way this is

01:01:05.400 dangerous and a

01:01:06.380 hundred percent they

01:01:06.920 will be yelling

01:01:07.440 misogynist misogynist

01:01:09.200 and racist if you go

01:01:10.480 to katanji brown

01:01:11.200 jackson's house forget

01:01:12.240 about it forget about

01:01:13.200 it especially as a

01:01:13.780 white man protesting

01:01:14.620 out there no no it

01:01:15.900 will not be allowed a

01:01:16.880 very different messaging

01:01:17.660 from the white house

01:01:18.220 but we don't want that

01:01:19.300 to become the norm you

01:01:20.560 know i personally as a

01:01:21.760 court watcher and fan

01:01:22.800 revere all nine of

01:01:24.040 them i don't agree with

01:01:24.980 all nine of them i think

01:01:26.260 some are smarter and

01:01:27.040 better than others but i

01:01:28.160 really respect all nine

01:01:29.060 of them and not for

01:01:30.040 nothing but you see the

01:01:31.260 houses you know where

01:01:32.140 they live on these

01:01:32.940 pictures online these

01:01:33.720 are not rich people

01:01:34.400 they're not most of

01:01:35.520 these guys could have

01:01:36.040 made trust me they

01:01:37.380 could be making eight

01:01:38.060 nine million dollars a

01:01:38.920 year in in practice at

01:01:40.800 any of these law firms

01:01:41.660 they wanted they could

01:01:42.200 have the nicest home in

01:01:43.200 any town but they live

01:01:44.580 in pretty but not like

01:01:46.260 huge mansions they're

01:01:47.720 making a couple hundred

01:01:48.300 thousand bucks a year so

01:01:49.860 screw these people for

01:01:51.200 getting out there and

01:01:51.720 endangering them and

01:01:52.560 their children before we

01:01:53.340 even know what the

01:01:53.920 opinion is and for

01:01:55.080 taking the protest beyond

01:01:56.020 the steps of the

01:01:56.600 supreme court which

01:01:57.340 where it's totally

01:01:57.960 fair game it's not

01:01:59.360 fair game in front of

01:02:00.120 their homes it has a

01:02:00.880 different effect

01:02:01.400 especially with those

01:02:02.060 who have young

01:02:02.460 children and they're

01:02:04.500 breaking a norm that

01:02:05.680 they're going to wish

01:02:06.180 they didn't break

01:02:06.880 yeah i think that's

01:02:08.220 right i mean look

01:02:08.900 part of the the

01:02:10.040 broader landscape that

01:02:11.240 that this election and

01:02:12.920 and the last few

01:02:13.540 elections quite frankly

01:02:14.320 have the backdrop has

01:02:15.420 been this loss of trust

01:02:17.160 in institutions right

01:02:18.140 whether it's congress

01:02:18.960 whether it's the

01:02:19.600 presidency whether it's

01:02:21.480 the media obviously

01:02:22.660 my god the you know

01:02:23.740 the loss of trust in

01:02:24.460 media has just been

01:02:25.400 outrageous but the

01:02:27.080 supreme court is there

01:02:28.060 and gallup tracks this

01:02:29.120 and and even since

01:02:30.120 2000 with the supreme

01:02:32.020 court decision there of

01:02:33.480 uh bush v gore um

01:02:35.400 through 2021 the supreme

01:02:37.140 court does not have

01:02:38.240 majority uh who of

01:02:40.040 people who say they

01:02:40.740 have quite a lot of

01:02:41.660 trust or uh a decent

01:02:43.340 amount of trust in in

01:02:44.480 the institution and has

01:02:46.420 lost about 12 points

01:02:47.920 it's a downward trend

01:02:48.800 it's probably going to

01:02:49.940 continue and the problem

01:02:51.000 is democrats have been

01:02:52.280 actively since they've

01:02:53.440 lost control of the

01:02:54.380 court uh they've been

01:02:56.040 actively trying to

01:02:57.320 undermine it i mean

01:02:58.780 let's just be honest i

01:02:59.820 mean whether it's you

01:03:00.840 know chuck schumer

01:03:01.320 standing on the steps

01:03:02.240 of the supreme court

01:03:03.100 you know threatening

01:03:03.680 the justices by name

01:03:04.980 whether it's this push

01:03:06.360 among democrats uh in

01:03:07.900 congress to to you

01:03:09.440 know court reform

01:03:10.360 something that joe

01:03:11.100 biden backed when he

01:03:12.140 came into office which

01:03:13.120 is basically packing the

01:03:14.300 court they're going to

01:03:14.820 add as many justices

01:03:15.760 as they deem necessary

01:03:17.280 uh to to win back a

01:03:19.140 majority on that court

01:03:20.080 to get the decisions

01:03:21.280 that they want um and

01:03:23.160 so this has been a

01:03:23.960 a constant barrage

01:03:25.440 and to your point

01:03:26.520 it is it is

01:03:28.060 undermining an

01:03:28.800 institution that that

01:03:29.720 we very much need in

01:03:31.420 this country to be uh

01:03:33.820 as as you know

01:03:35.120 non-partisan but

01:03:36.800 unfortunately the court's

01:03:37.760 been politicized

01:03:38.800 become politicized as

01:03:40.280 has everything including

01:03:41.420 you know all aspects of

01:03:43.060 our government the

01:03:43.820 justice department uh

01:03:45.060 all of our intelligence

01:03:45.800 services and the like

01:03:46.720 and so it's an

01:03:48.120 unfortunate trend and

01:03:49.380 it's going to continue

01:03:49.960 because that's just

01:03:50.580 where we are and

01:03:51.380 democrats have been the

01:03:52.320 ones at least as far

01:03:53.460 as the supreme court

01:03:54.180 goes that have been

01:03:55.460 actively uh you know

01:03:57.080 undermining it for the

01:03:58.320 last few years

01:03:58.960 so on the subject of

01:04:00.520 whether abortion is the

01:04:01.700 thing that will appear

01:04:02.600 to the democrat base

01:04:03.700 and the swing voters

01:04:05.020 um i don't think it is

01:04:07.040 either i i think if you

01:04:09.380 if this is your issue

01:04:10.560 you know you're a pro

01:04:11.820 choice and you're

01:04:12.660 hardcore pro choice and

01:04:14.000 like this is your you

01:04:14.960 know single issue voter

01:04:15.920 thing you don't live in a

01:04:17.740 red state you don't you

01:04:19.800 wouldn't that you your

01:04:20.960 values wouldn't align i'm

01:04:22.180 not saying in every

01:04:22.840 single case but in the

01:04:23.540 vast majority of cases

01:04:24.360 you did not choose

01:04:25.420 mississippi uh as your

01:04:27.160 home to settle down with

01:04:28.340 your family in and that

01:04:30.120 there's a reason why

01:04:31.100 generally in the red

01:04:32.300 states the voters are

01:04:33.860 pro-life and in the blue

01:04:35.700 states the voters tend to

01:04:36.880 be more pro-choice the

01:04:38.940 laws of each respective

01:04:40.400 state tends to reflect the

01:04:42.660 will and opinion of the

01:04:44.080 voters and that's as it

01:04:46.080 should be and that's as

01:04:47.840 you would expect it to be

01:04:48.620 in a federalist society

01:04:49.860 like ours in a republic

01:04:50.860 a democratic republic

01:04:52.320 where the states get to

01:04:53.240 make up their own minds

01:04:54.060 about on most issues

01:04:55.000 about how things are

01:04:55.740 going to go so maybe

01:04:58.360 they're going to rally

01:04:59.100 like more democrats to

01:05:00.880 go to the polls in new

01:05:02.300 york but they don't need

01:05:03.660 that it's like you don't

01:05:05.260 really need that at the

01:05:05.960 federal level this isn't

01:05:06.840 going to be a federal

01:05:07.340 issue you know so i don't

01:05:09.080 think this is going to be

01:05:09.740 the issue i also think

01:05:10.540 that in in no scenario

01:05:12.580 realistically is this

01:05:13.580 going to be illegal on a

01:05:15.740 national basis no matter

01:05:17.220 what rattlings we're hearing

01:05:18.220 about what the feds might

01:05:19.120 do it's not going to go

01:05:20.000 national one way or the

01:05:20.940 other so this is this is

01:05:22.520 going to maybe spur

01:05:23.340 turnout in the local races

01:05:25.100 but not in the

01:05:26.660 congressional midterms i

01:05:28.200 mean am i wrong tom

01:05:29.060 well i think again um where

01:05:32.360 democrats think that they

01:05:33.820 they can win some ground

01:05:35.420 back which they've lost is

01:05:37.100 in the suburbs right they

01:05:38.200 this is a particularly among

01:05:40.460 moderate suburban women

01:05:41.700 right you look at a of a

01:05:43.880 certain age like yeah well

01:05:45.720 of a certain age no no

01:05:47.700 because this is my theory

01:05:48.680 this is what this is part

01:05:49.580 of my theory younger women

01:05:50.840 tend to care more about

01:05:51.640 abortion rights younger

01:05:52.860 women women who are in

01:05:53.740 their 20s and 30s who

01:05:54.920 actually might need an

01:05:55.660 abortion are the ones who

01:05:57.000 are the biggest advocates

01:05:57.840 of of abortion rights and

01:05:59.240 as women tend to get

01:06:00.020 older and they tend to have

01:06:00.820 their own families i've

01:06:02.520 seen this anecdotally and

01:06:03.480 in polls it just seems like

01:06:04.900 it's less of a top

01:06:05.840 priority i i think i would

01:06:09.180 agree with that um but

01:06:10.800 again you look at a state

01:06:11.620 like a purple state like

01:06:12.520 arizona we just mentioned

01:06:13.640 the scottsdale suburbs uh

01:06:15.560 suburbs of phoenix you

01:06:16.700 look at a place like

01:06:17.980 georgia suburbs of

01:06:19.180 atlanta i mean this is

01:06:20.640 where the democrats and

01:06:21.380 again those are areas

01:06:22.360 that they made up a lot

01:06:23.800 of ground during the trump

01:06:25.060 years but have have given

01:06:27.160 background over the last

01:06:28.400 year and a half the first

01:06:29.440 term of this

01:06:30.020 administration so um but

01:06:32.780 to your point uh i think

01:06:35.440 you know we we've already

01:06:37.240 seen the story that i

01:06:38.840 mentioned earlier and

01:06:39.440 we've seen prior to the

01:06:42.140 leak of the draft

01:06:43.740 uh polling showed

01:06:46.240 quinnipiac had a poll

01:06:47.040 out last week that

01:06:47.760 showed that inflation

01:06:49.380 was the number one

01:06:50.020 issue by far 31 percent

01:06:51.780 an order of magnitude

01:06:52.540 higher than anything

01:06:53.260 else the next highest

01:06:54.260 was immigration like 10

01:06:55.320 or 11 abortion was

01:06:56.840 tied for ninth out of

01:06:58.460 13 issues listed it's

01:06:59.860 just not an issue now

01:07:00.920 that is that going to

01:07:01.920 jump up of course it

01:07:02.940 will we'll see how high

01:07:04.200 it rises we'll see how

01:07:05.160 long it lasts um but as

01:07:07.820 other issues um have

01:07:09.860 you know sort of risen

01:07:10.760 up in the mind of the

01:07:11.620 public whether it's

01:07:12.840 been ukraine for example

01:07:14.660 or covid which was the

01:07:15.740 number one issue for a

01:07:16.520 long time and is now at

01:07:17.340 the bottom of the list

01:07:18.100 um you know we'll see

01:07:19.960 how that how that issue

01:07:21.380 uh probably fades

01:07:23.600 particularly is is it is

01:07:25.780 it going to sublimate

01:07:26.580 you know the economy is

01:07:27.640 it going to sublimate

01:07:28.260 uh you know inflation is

01:07:30.040 the number one issue

01:07:30.640 very very very unlikely i

01:07:33.000 don't see that happening

01:07:33.760 and so uh there are there

01:07:36.220 are just bigger concerns

01:07:37.140 out there and again

01:07:38.020 it's you know when

01:07:39.300 people see the sky

01:07:39.980 isn't going to fall or

01:07:41.020 the states that they

01:07:42.040 live in aren't going

01:07:42.800 to necessarily uh you

01:07:44.500 know outlaw abortion

01:07:45.500 altogether or what have

01:07:46.600 you it's not going to

01:07:47.180 become the handmaid's

01:07:47.880 tale i i think it'll be

01:07:49.640 even more of of or even

01:07:52.020 less of an issue uh for

01:07:53.700 voters as they approach

01:07:54.860 the midterms and uh but

01:07:56.660 again in some swing

01:07:57.680 states this is where

01:07:58.340 democrats think they they

01:07:59.360 can recover some ground

01:08:00.240 it's not just blue states

01:08:01.440 it's in those in those

01:08:02.680 suburbs but we'll see

01:08:04.120 whether it happens i

01:08:04.760 don't i think it might

01:08:05.500 happen on the margins

01:08:06.520 but it's not going to

01:08:07.160 be enough to do much

01:08:08.640 of anything a lot of

01:08:10.260 the political cake is

01:08:11.460 already baked um we're

01:08:13.240 just you know about five

01:08:14.500 months away from the

01:08:15.040 election now and unless

01:08:15.960 until something changes

01:08:17.040 with inflation i mean

01:08:17.860 that's the ballgame

01:08:18.560 yeah you talk about kitchen

01:08:20.480 table issues driving

01:08:21.620 elections you know that's

01:08:22.960 been a phrase in politics

01:08:23.800 forever and that's like

01:08:25.360 you picture the the the

01:08:27.160 woman sitting at the

01:08:27.920 kitchen table looking at

01:08:28.880 the bills thinking i'm

01:08:30.160 stressed i can't i don't

01:08:31.600 know how i'm going to pay

01:08:32.260 these i can't pay my gas

01:08:33.840 bill i can't pay my

01:08:35.280 electric bill i can't pay

01:08:36.260 my grocery bill you know

01:08:37.840 i'm making the same money

01:08:38.820 as i used to make but my

01:08:39.960 my expenses have gone way

01:08:41.260 up i mean that's what's

01:08:41.980 happening right now and

01:08:43.740 especially to my point of

01:08:45.260 like the older women

01:08:46.000 abortion's not front and

01:08:47.380 center that's not their

01:08:48.220 main issue at that point

01:08:49.320 in their life even 40s and

01:08:50.420 beyond tends to be less of

01:08:51.780 a thing just given the way

01:08:52.740 biology works uh are those

01:08:54.820 people and those tend to

01:08:55.520 be the voters right young

01:08:56.580 voters are traditionally

01:08:57.380 hard to get to go to the

01:08:58.320 polls and so on so are

01:08:59.760 those people really going

01:09:00.440 to change their vote when

01:09:02.140 they're mad about the

01:09:03.280 inflation and they're mad

01:09:04.440 about the crime rate in

01:09:05.780 their neighborhood from red

01:09:07.940 to blue when abortions are

01:09:10.600 not about to be banned in

01:09:12.560 all 50 states and they know

01:09:13.820 that if they're paying any

01:09:15.240 sort of attention that's not

01:09:16.840 what's going to happen i

01:09:18.440 just don't see it but did

01:09:21.260 mitch mcconnell hurt the

01:09:23.280 republican argument this

01:09:24.380 weekend because he the the

01:09:26.260 left-wing media is really

01:09:27.960 enjoying this soundbite of

01:09:29.680 his uh where he came out and

01:09:32.840 said this is the headline he

01:09:34.960 acknowledges a national

01:09:36.100 abortion ban is possible if

01:09:38.720 rose overturned um i don't

01:09:41.540 know if i agree with that

01:09:42.520 characterization but here's

01:09:43.840 what he said he told

01:09:44.960 reporters you uh hold on

01:09:47.820 let me jump okay he was

01:09:49.160 speaking with usa today if

01:09:51.240 the leaked opinion becomes

01:09:52.260 the final opinion

01:09:53.080 legislative bodies not only

01:09:56.020 at the state level but at

01:09:57.400 the federal level certainly

01:09:58.980 could legislate in that area

01:10:01.400 and if this were the final

01:10:03.020 decision that was the point

01:10:05.320 that it that was the point

01:10:06.940 that it should be resolved one

01:10:08.560 way or another in the

01:10:10.360 legislative process so in

01:10:13.220 response to the question of

01:10:14.100 whether a national ban is

01:10:15.700 possible he said yeah it's

01:10:18.260 possible um and then said

01:10:21.920 the no carve out on the

01:10:23.960 filibuster even if the

01:10:24.920 republicans take over in

01:10:26.060 other words right if the

01:10:27.300 republicans take over the

01:10:28.100 senate he would not end the

01:10:29.000 filibuster to pass

01:10:29.980 legislation on abortion the

01:10:31.520 same situation the democrats

01:10:32.600 are in now where they can't

01:10:33.900 they can't uh get

01:10:34.940 legislation through uh that

01:10:36.560 would make abortion legal in

01:10:38.420 all 50 states because there's a

01:10:39.380 filibuster and they can't

01:10:40.240 break it and jen saki says

01:10:41.580 even if they break the

01:10:42.340 filibuster or get rid of

01:10:43.920 it she says we still don't

01:10:45.420 have the votes anyway right

01:10:46.960 i'll tell you my as i look

01:10:49.320 at those remarks i say why

01:10:51.340 would he say we wouldn't

01:10:53.060 have the power at the

01:10:53.960 federal level when the

01:10:55.100 democrats are talking about

01:10:56.360 doing that right now i my

01:10:58.460 guess is as the republican

01:10:59.540 leader of the senate he

01:11:00.600 doesn't want to say what's

01:11:02.900 good for the goose you know

01:11:04.240 what i mean he wants to say

01:11:05.340 we've got that we've got that

01:11:07.800 arrow to fire too if you

01:11:09.840 decide to go crazy and try

01:11:11.260 to make this a national

01:11:12.120 issue when it should be a

01:11:13.060 state's issue but maybe i'm

01:11:14.140 being too generous

01:11:14.840 you might be look mitch

01:11:17.580 mcconnell's a smart guy and

01:11:18.520 he knows what's going on but

01:11:19.460 but even smart people

01:11:20.400 sometimes say stupid things

01:11:21.640 and this is one of those

01:11:22.780 cases i think as he's sort of

01:11:24.640 pontificating and opining

01:11:26.280 about legislative bodies in

01:11:28.020 the state at the federal

01:11:28.720 level and what they can and

01:11:29.760 can't do and that this

01:11:31.000 decision would just open it

01:11:32.400 up for for bodies legislative

01:11:33.980 bodies to to make laws um i

01:11:37.400 think he sort of put his foot

01:11:38.360 in it there and and as you

01:11:39.720 mentioned the media is

01:11:40.640 making hay of it um because

01:11:42.340 they're very much aligned with

01:11:43.980 the democrats i think on this

01:11:45.060 issue um but yeah i mean the

01:11:48.100 the line for republicans

01:11:49.340 should be in washington and

01:11:50.720 everywhere else is that this

01:11:52.320 is you know it's it's it's

01:11:53.720 going to be left up to the

01:11:54.440 states which is where it

01:11:55.340 should be right and and if

01:11:57.380 democrats want to pass the

01:11:58.860 national legislation codifying

01:12:01.300 roe v wade then they

01:12:03.400 absolutely have the right to do

01:12:04.880 that and they're welcome to

01:12:05.780 give it a go and and as you

01:12:07.420 point out they're going to

01:12:08.620 they're going to try and do

01:12:10.300 that even though they know

01:12:11.260 they don't have the votes to

01:12:12.540 do it and the question is you

01:12:14.560 know are they going to are

01:12:15.580 they going to nuke the

01:12:16.700 legislative filibuster um or

01:12:19.240 try and do that i don't think

01:12:20.260 they would have the votes to

01:12:21.120 do that if the in if the

01:12:22.660 ensuing vote wasn't going to

01:12:24.400 pass so that would be

01:12:25.960 invoking that option for you

01:12:27.500 know for uh for for no reason

01:12:30.060 or for nothing so um yeah i

01:12:32.460 think it was a mistake by the

01:12:33.280 majority leader to to prattle on

01:12:35.260 about that he probably could

01:12:36.140 have been more succinct and

01:12:37.240 and helped you know

01:12:38.260 republicans but again um a

01:12:41.900 lot of these conversations

01:12:42.640 have already been happening

01:12:43.440 uh around the country it is

01:12:45.160 definitely going to be there's

01:12:46.580 no question the democrats are

01:12:47.640 going to try and use this as

01:12:48.800 best they can during the

01:12:49.840 election they will run ads on

01:12:51.200 it they might even use mitch

01:12:52.080 mcconnell's you know a

01:12:53.480 soundbite saying yes um so

01:12:56.320 we'll have to see uh you know

01:12:58.440 but again i i just don't think

01:13:00.060 it's going to matter much at the

01:13:01.060 end you mentioned i mean

01:13:02.020 immigration i mentioned is

01:13:03.000 number two issue among people

01:13:04.200 that is a much bigger issue

01:13:05.560 for people than abortion is

01:13:07.260 right now and will probably

01:13:08.400 continue to be particularly

01:13:09.940 um because right now it's an

01:13:12.220 issue we got title 42 coming

01:13:13.660 up and it splits it's an issue

01:13:14.900 that splits democrats it's

01:13:16.060 coming at the worst possible

01:13:16.980 time and then you throw crime

01:13:18.660 and education on top of that

01:13:19.800 and those are those are the

01:13:20.980 issues that that um voters care

01:13:23.200 about most and right now

01:13:24.040 republicans have an advantage

01:13:25.280 on all four of those issues

01:13:27.000 according to the latest

01:13:27.640 washington post poll

01:13:28.380 okay but this is all very

01:13:30.540 interesting to me because those

01:13:31.840 issues you're right they've been

01:13:33.280 driving the poll numbers for a

01:13:34.220 long time i've been watching it

01:13:35.100 too um they're about to be

01:13:38.440 shoved down in the national

01:13:40.180 media in a major way because

01:13:41.680 the supreme court's got more

01:13:42.640 decisions to issue

01:13:43.500 june's going to be big and this

01:13:45.280 is a conservative court now and

01:13:46.520 they've got gun rights they've got

01:13:48.220 religious rights first amendment

01:13:49.780 and then of course the abortion

01:13:51.620 decision which i remind the

01:13:52.820 audience is not yet out that was

01:13:54.680 a draft that was leaked we don't

01:13:56.040 know what the court is actually

01:13:57.100 going to rule

01:13:57.560 so all these sort of i forgive me

01:14:00.480 i'll refer to them as like old

01:14:01.620 school culture issues these are

01:14:02.920 like yesteryears culture issues

01:14:04.680 um you know that used to make

01:14:06.860 like the rudy giuliani's of the

01:14:08.280 world say well i'm like a more

01:14:10.580 socially liberal republican you

01:14:12.880 know i'm fiscally conservative and

01:14:14.280 i'm right pro a strong national

01:14:16.240 security uh sect but i'm pro choice

01:14:19.420 and i'm pro gay marriage that was

01:14:20.760 sort of the old rudy giuliani

01:14:22.060 the the republican party and the and

01:14:24.320 the partisan wars have changed since

01:14:26.800 then and now the democrats have been

01:14:28.720 saddled with wokeism which is like

01:14:30.680 i've got to not put boy or girl

01:14:33.120 down on my birth certificate now or

01:14:34.800 otherwise i'm a bigot you know gotta

01:14:36.300 let my kid figure it out despite the

01:14:38.340 fact that we can see a penis um in all

01:14:40.960 this weird radical race

01:14:42.360 essentialism and so on so the supreme

01:14:45.760 court's kind of giving them a gift if

01:14:47.520 these cases go the way we think

01:14:48.640 they're going to i think they're going

01:14:49.720 to line up almost uniformly on the

01:14:51.780 republican side the conservative side

01:14:53.280 and the press will have a heyday with

01:14:55.160 it and i think we're gonna have a

01:14:56.480 summer of trying to make today's

01:14:59.140 republicans who are emerging as like

01:15:00.700 working class warriors and fighting

01:15:04.200 back for parents rights against weird

01:15:06.060 wokeism in school and so on into

01:15:08.540 yesteryears republicans who want to like

01:15:11.320 take away your your contraception take

01:15:14.800 away your right to an abortion take

01:15:16.920 away gay marriage bring prayer right

01:15:19.480 into the schools walk around every city

01:15:22.180 in the nation sporting a gun and open

01:15:24.520 carry that's how the left will portray

01:15:26.620 all of this what do you make of it

01:15:28.360 i just don't think it's going to work

01:15:31.060 i just don't you know republicans i'm

01:15:33.780 sorry democrats have been have been

01:15:35.020 running that playbook for a long time

01:15:37.400 and you remember you know not too long

01:15:39.280 ago uh it was the year of the woman

01:15:41.680 remember mark udall in colorado they

01:15:43.400 called him mark uterus because he

01:15:44.640 talked about women's rights and

01:15:45.980 abortion the entire time uh it just it

01:15:48.380 didn't work if if those issues

01:15:51.420 aligned with the public's concerns then

01:15:54.760 perhaps it would have more traction

01:15:57.260 more purchase right but when when the

01:16:00.520 inflation is the number one issue and and

01:16:03.140 you've got a situation where again gas

01:16:05.540 prices food prices all of these things

01:16:08.140 people are having trouble and and

01:16:10.200 democrats are talking about you know

01:16:12.500 culture issues um it's it's they're

01:16:16.260 gonna they're going to come across as

01:16:18.220 out of touch and with the american

01:16:20.440 public and and that's not where you

01:16:22.140 want to be and so the other thing that

01:16:24.220 the problem the democrats have is

01:16:25.520 there's no one else to blame i mean

01:16:26.780 they they control the house they

01:16:28.140 control the senate they control the

01:16:29.220 white house and so even if there was

01:16:32.060 uh you know even if republicans had

01:16:34.880 won those two senate seats and had a

01:16:36.320 slim majority in the house or in the

01:16:37.860 senate um you know at least democrats

01:16:41.540 could try and blame republicans for

01:16:43.000 something but there is no one else to

01:16:44.300 blame and so i i just don't think that

01:16:47.060 you know we've already seen biden has

01:16:48.940 now taken to calling republicans the

01:16:51.000 ultimaga the ultimaga movement right

01:16:53.480 uh they're going to try and invoke

01:16:55.340 donald trump's name they're going to

01:16:56.820 invoke january 6th they're going to

01:16:58.660 talk about how authoritarian how

01:17:00.620 fascist republicans are they can't be

01:17:02.940 trusted to be put back in power um it

01:17:06.600 didn't work in virginia it didn't work

01:17:08.480 in new jersey it hasn't worked in some

01:17:10.020 of these special elections i don't think

01:17:11.540 it's going to work uh in in november it

01:17:14.840 might work in some of these races

01:17:16.020 depending on who the candidates are but

01:17:17.660 but across the board it's not going to

01:17:20.180 work because it's not addressing

01:17:21.340 the issue that that you know people are

01:17:24.240 most whether you're republican or

01:17:25.500 democrat and this is the other thing i

01:17:27.060 mean it's it's more of a these days in

01:17:30.220 the republican party i think what this is

01:17:31.940 one of the things donald trump has done

01:17:33.200 is we've seen hispanic voters fleeing

01:17:36.480 the democrats we've seen numbers that

01:17:38.260 suggest african americans uh some are as

01:17:41.580 well because it's more of a class issue

01:17:43.600 it's more of an economics issue it

01:17:45.040 doesn't matter what race you are it's

01:17:46.560 it's are you better off than you were

01:17:48.620 before economically and who do you trust

01:17:51.540 to better handle the you know current

01:17:54.080 economic situation and democrats are not

01:17:56.360 they're not inspiring a lot of confidence

01:17:58.360 uh in in the public right now

01:18:00.240 the other thing is uh mitch mcconnell just

01:18:04.720 gave the democrats a gift with that sound

01:18:06.680 bite however he meant it it'll it'll be

01:18:08.500 bastardized and used against him and other

01:18:10.140 republicans at the national level because

01:18:11.560 this is about to become a states issue as

01:18:13.860 it used to be as it should be in my view

01:18:15.560 um if the supreme court opinion goes as

01:18:18.740 the draft suggests so he's the one who

01:18:21.540 now sort of says well maybe the federal

01:18:23.060 feds will ban it that's that in again in

01:18:25.920 my view is because the democrats are now

01:18:27.180 saying at the federal level they're going

01:18:28.960 to try to make it legal nationwide so of

01:18:31.560 course he'd keep in his back pocket if we

01:18:33.920 get control maybe we'll make it illegal

01:18:35.380 nationwide okay so just saying so he's

01:18:38.280 given them a gift on that front but i do

01:18:40.740 think it matters who's in the senate right

01:18:44.240 and and we are seeing that now with

01:18:46.640 respect to the supreme court the reason

01:18:48.560 these justices got on the high court is

01:18:50.240 because there was a republican president

01:18:51.880 the last three who nominated them and

01:18:53.880 there were there was a senate a republican

01:18:55.760 controlled senate that got them in and you

01:18:58.640 know approved them and you look back at

01:19:00.480 each of the trump confirmation hearings you

01:19:02.360 know trump nominee confirmation hearings and

01:19:04.500 it's crazy like neil gorsuch that's a mitch

01:19:07.540 mcconnell gift to the republican party right

01:19:10.360 it was supposed to be merrick garland under

01:19:12.000 barack obama mcconnell wouldn't give him the

01:19:14.020 hearing saying it's an election year this is

01:19:16.380 we're not doing that there's historical

01:19:18.760 precedence for this that's how we got neil

01:19:20.880 gorsuch on the court um under trump then

01:19:24.120 comes justice kavanaugh brett kavanaugh who

01:19:26.260 the democrats did everything to try to stop

01:19:28.460 they he was going to change the balance they did they

01:19:31.120 pulled out every stop possible to try to get

01:19:33.600 him trump would not be bent it was a pivotal

01:19:37.060 moment for a lot of us watching he would not he

01:19:40.040 would not cave he stood behind his nominee who is

01:19:42.880 now one of the five votes so is gorsuch then comes

01:19:46.180 amy coney barrett right before ruth bader ginsburg dies

01:19:48.940 right before the election they didn't want it to go

01:19:53.160 through trump pushed it through they did in four weeks

01:19:56.520 they got um amy coney barrett on i mean it was kind of a

01:20:00.420 miracle and those three are all in the majority confirmed by

01:20:05.120 republican senate so i mean elections do matter tom we're going to

01:20:09.280 be hearing a lot about that that's why the democrats say it's an

01:20:11.920 illegitimate court well it was it was craftily done but it's not

01:20:15.980 illegitimate uh but that actually could potentially inspire some voters i

01:20:19.980 guess if this is your big issue these types of cultural things um and

01:20:23.980 you're doing okay in the in the wallet in the wallet which would be the

01:20:26.500 only way you're paying attention to this stuff yeah i mean the court is

01:20:30.940 always uh a rallying cry for for both sides and look under a

01:20:35.720 under a democratic administration um you know it's a republican senate

01:20:41.380 would um be able to to perhaps stop some folks but um the senate's a

01:20:48.380 little bit you know is going to be uh i think republicans are still a

01:20:52.200 favorite but not as much of a heavy favorite as they are in the house and if

01:20:54.980 republicans get control of either chamber right along with that comes in

01:20:59.780 the senate obviously you have the judiciary and to your point that is a

01:21:02.520 big deal um but if you get control of the house there will be oversight and

01:21:06.680 that's another thing that you know it's going to be a it's going to be a

01:21:09.320 different world uh in november if republicans win one or both of the

01:21:14.020 chambers uh it'll be a completely different

01:21:16.320 political landscape different issue mix and and obviously this administration is

01:21:20.280 going to be subject to the kind of scrutiny that it has not faced to this

01:21:23.500 point i i do want to pick it up there right after this break i mean justice

01:21:27.940 thomas is in his 70s um briar i think is the oldest and he's retiring and then

01:21:33.420 there's justice thomas and you know i don't know whether he is going to stay

01:21:37.580 for another administration if if joe biden or the democrats were to win a

01:21:41.960 second term would justice thomas stay i'm sure he would he would never

01:21:45.460 willingly pass the baton under a democratic administration but look ruth

01:21:51.340 bader ginsburg felt that way and life does what it does um in any event even

01:21:56.480 if one justice on the republican side were to retire or pass on it wouldn't

01:22:01.160 change the balance right now the dems need two okay we're going to pick it up

01:22:05.020 with what the midterms look like and what will it mean if the republicans take

01:22:10.100 back the house and or the senate more with tom bevin the man in the know right

01:22:14.100 after this quick break all right tom all eyes are on the midterms terms were

01:22:21.240 what you know six months away or so and um there was big news last week in

01:22:26.180 ohio when jd vance the trump back candidate won

01:22:28.580 against two other republicans that with whom he'd been slugging it out the trump

01:22:32.420 endorsement really seemed to help him it's funny how much the liberal media is

01:22:35.560 like it's a test it's the mar-a-lago primary

01:22:37.960 it's a test of trump and then when jd vance the trump back candidate wins it's like

01:22:42.300 crickets crickets if they wanted to be able to say trump's run out of power and

01:22:46.540 influence they're dying to be able to say that and

01:22:48.800 they cannot say that and uh people now looking at dr oz

01:22:52.460 in pennsylvania what does it mean for him what does it mean for other trump

01:22:55.780 back candidates going into the midterms what say you

01:22:58.720 well i i it was a great night for trump last week i mean he went 14 for 14 in

01:23:03.840 ohio not just jd vance but but other republicans that he backed in these house

01:23:08.840 races won some of them you know big upsets and convincingly and so um and

01:23:14.720 you're right i mean he picked jd vance up off the floor he was languishing in

01:23:17.820 third place you know in the middle of april um and

01:23:21.200 went you know straight to the top now jd vance was a good candidate though and in

01:23:25.120 some ways i mean he obviously you know said some nasty stuff about trump but

01:23:28.840 trump addressed that by you know in his in his famous way yeah um dr

01:23:34.040 if i didn't back anybody who had ever criticized me there'd be there'd be

01:23:37.460 nobody yeah said he said some nasty stuff but he

01:23:40.940 didn't use the word stuff uh yeah but but dr oz is a little

01:23:44.220 different i mean you can definitely sense that

01:23:46.440 uh you know republicans even people who like donald trump a lot in

01:23:52.040 pennsylvania were mystified by his choice of of oz over david mccormick and

01:23:58.400 also kathy barnett don't sleep on her latest poll trafalgar poll came out

01:24:01.920 yesterday has her at like 22 percent oz is up two points but it's a it's a

01:24:08.300 three-way race there right now and and i think it's it's within the margin of

01:24:12.160 error so anything can happen in pennsylvania which is a week from

01:24:16.000 tomorrow and so um you know and the the other race that

01:24:20.540 people point to about trump's influences is the governor's race in georgia where

01:24:24.180 you know trump very much wants to have brian kemp not win re-election but

01:24:28.840 trump's not happening candidate purdue is is uh not doing as well as many people

01:24:34.120 thought he would do but but yeah this this whole month i mean we've got beyond

01:24:38.300 pennsylvania you've got north carolina you've got um you know arizona

01:24:41.760 missouri sorry arizona is in august uh missouri but a lot of you know trump

01:24:46.720 endorsements are going to be on the line this month so i think we'll see when the

01:24:49.980 dust settles uh how well he does but but he certainly got off to a good start in

01:24:54.060 ohio last week and do we think ohio is an outlier just given its demographics

01:24:58.500 and you know it's turning more and more red and has been for some time

01:25:01.720 it wouldn't surprise anybody to see trump's influence still big there

01:25:05.540 but what do you what are the early signs in terms of his

01:25:09.500 influence in these other states even outside of pennsylvania which is

01:25:13.180 more purple yeah i mean the candidate he endorsed north carolina ted budd is

01:25:18.260 sort of running away with there and that's a state that's been trending

01:25:21.080 republican um you know over the last couple cycles um i mentioned um you know

01:25:27.280 i mentioned georgia that's obviously now a famously purple state um herschel

01:25:32.300 walker seems to be holding up pretty well thus far uh obviously in the in the

01:25:36.560 primary uh he's he's you know crushing it but um there are questions about

01:25:40.880 whether he'll be you know he'll be one of those general election candidates

01:25:43.540 that is able to get it done or not i mean we've seen this in in repeated cycles

01:25:47.680 that republicans will invariably shoot themselves in the foot in one or two

01:25:52.560 senate races you think of sharon angle in nevada you think of christine o'donnell

01:25:56.200 in delaware or todd aiken richard murdoch i mean you can go down the list they

01:26:00.840 invariably uh nominate a candidate for whatever reason uh because because of

01:26:06.720 their profile their past or things they say on the trail uh just cannot get the job

01:26:11.740 done even in a good republican year and that's certainly what this is going to be so

01:26:15.660 um i think when all is said and done trump's gonna end up uh his endorsement he may not

01:26:22.140 he's not gonna be perfect i don't think but but he'll be close to it i think his

01:26:25.960 his strength within the republican party is still very real and and i think the folks who are you

01:26:32.700 know establishment back candidates are fighting an uphill battle uphill battle at this point

01:26:37.300 but meanwhile both sides do it because you just had this guy ryan the democrat in ohio suggesting

01:26:44.000 to run against jd vance now suggesting to brett bear that he's for abortion all the way through the

01:26:49.120 ninth month which is just be up to the mother which is definitely not in line with ohio voters

01:26:53.720 so you know both sides say these outrageous things where you're like wait what what did he

01:26:57.900 just say and like right they don't take him back they don't try to you know they don't do a

01:27:02.340 very good job of cleaning them up so you gotta you gotta believe that they stand by them um all

01:27:07.120 right so what's your feeling right now on you you still feel like the republicans are definitely

01:27:11.100 taking over the house yes oh yeah i mean there there's a political article this morning that said

01:27:17.760 you know democrats uh you know these are the races they need to have the chance at holding the house

01:27:22.860 and i i tweeted that famous jim carrey uh jif of him in in dumber dumber was saying you know

01:27:29.020 you mean there's still a chance you still got a chance what you're saying is there's a chance

01:27:33.860 yeah uh i look i don't think there's any any pundit or prognosticator or political watcher who

01:27:41.080 thinks that the democrats have a realistic chance i mean you just look at the you look at the toss-up

01:27:45.380 races um go to cook political maybe and check out their ratings they've got you know 18 democratic

01:27:50.740 toss-up races eight republican toss-up races so if republicans just managed to split the toss-ups

01:27:56.300 they lose four theirs and they win nine of the 18 democratic seats there's your five seats i mean

01:28:03.080 there it there's your republican majority and on top of that you've got you've got eight more seats

01:28:08.720 that are democratically held that are rated liens or likely republican um and and and only one going

01:28:16.560 in the other direction so uh it's just incredibly hard for democrats to have any chance of maintaining

01:28:22.520 a majority i mean to lose only four seats in this environment uh with redistricting and and as i

01:28:27.900 mentioned you know inflation economy all that driving the day um i i just think they have if the election

01:28:34.760 were held today now things could still change six months is a lot of time i always like to throw that

01:28:38.700 caveat in there uh but right now i mean it's yeah they have very little chance of approaching zero

01:28:45.920 i'll get to the senate one second but when you mentioned redistricting redistricting you know

01:28:50.400 the democrats did a very good job of it the republicans tried to do some as well the the democrats

01:28:55.480 have seen some of theirs knocked down by courts which has been kind of interesting to watch because

01:29:01.020 they've been too clever by half in their attempts and the courts have been like yeah no these lines

01:29:07.100 make absolutely no sense so i'm sure you've been keeping a closer eye on it than i have but how

01:29:12.380 how has that shaken out the the attempts to sort of jerry rig the election by changing the voting lines

01:29:19.640 democrats versus republicans yeah i mean democrats were really aggressive i mean in my home state

01:29:26.640 here of illinois they drew some crazy districts new york too yeah new york too maryland is another one

01:29:33.620 uh you know and republicans republicans did the same uh in in some of their you know north carolina

01:29:39.600 and obviously what ron de santis did in florida and i think that's going to be challenging court so

01:29:43.940 we'll see um you know part of my my gripe about this which is always my gripe is the media you know

01:29:51.360 and the the idea that you know when republicans gerrymandered when democrats do it it's just you

01:29:56.580 know it's them exercising power when republicans do it it's it's the you know it's it's racism it's

01:30:02.080 voter suppression it's the end of democracy um look this is what parties do and and it is

01:30:08.780 unfortunate feature of our democracy that you that this is the way that we do it and it's leading

01:30:13.700 to less and less competitive districts i mean personally i would like to see you know you know

01:30:19.260 i was always held up as the gold standard they've got a non-partisan you know commission that that

01:30:24.700 redistricts or you know sets their districts and we'd love to see more of that uh so they're not

01:30:30.120 drawing these ridiculously crazy districts um and keep them more compact and in uniform but that's just

01:30:37.640 not where we are um but i think the net of this is that republicans ended up you know with a slight

01:30:43.660 advantage on redistricting initially it looked like democrats were going to come out with a little bit

01:30:47.080 of advantage and then that kind of got wiped away with with what happened late in florida so um and

01:30:52.360 again you know only having to win i mean you go look at the historical average of first-term incumbents

01:30:59.060 uh you know they're facing their midterms it's like 28 seats that the party typically loses in about

01:31:04.760 two and a half senate seats so historically speaking it'd be very very tough uh for democrats to

01:31:10.260 to get to a point where they um you know held their losses even even to you know 10 or 15 seats

01:31:17.280 that would even be a miracle but that would also mean a republican majority in the house of

01:31:21.720 representatives that's right that's right and there's all sorts of investigations already being

01:31:25.040 promised um into fauci and others the senate is the big question and a lot tighter how's that

01:31:32.800 looking right now uh you know it's it's it's better for democrats but still not great you've

01:31:39.120 got uh seven toss-up seats i think four four democrats three republicans and you know the

01:31:44.960 democrats are the ones that we've been talking about it's mark kelly in arizona it's uh catherine

01:31:49.220 cortez masto in nevada it's rafael warnock in georgia and it's maggie hassan in new hampshire

01:31:53.840 and then on the republican side um you've got an open seat in north carolina which we talked

01:31:58.840 about the primary there open seat in pennsylvania um and then you've got ron johnson who's running

01:32:04.380 in wisconsin that's considered a you know wisconsin's been a a 50 50 state um i would you

01:32:10.040 know ron johnson is a an incumbent which makes it you know a little bit better for republicans than

01:32:14.640 an open seat um but you know again these democrats are all in very very tough races uh because you know

01:32:23.160 i think democrats would like to look back to recent history 2018 where you know republicans

01:32:29.040 really got thrashed in the in the house uh 40 plus seats in the house but picked up two senate seats

01:32:34.500 and you go back and look at that and and you know this is trump said it was a red wave it was a it was

01:32:38.680 a blue wave in the house it was sort of like a red ripple in in the senate and the reason that was

01:32:43.460 is is the states that were in play uh like missouri for example they could really sort of flex their

01:32:49.580 partisan muscles right um you know in rural areas it wasn't just in the suburbs where you know

01:32:56.220 republicans lost a lot of these house seats in 2018 um they were in more red states the problem

01:33:01.560 for democrats is these states are not blue states they're very much purple states i mean arizona and

01:33:07.200 georgia and nevada uh and new hampshire are states that are basically you know two three-point

01:33:12.740 states maybe even less than that um and so there isn't a lot of and they have they have republican

01:33:18.720 dna in them so i think they're going to be uh there it's going to be a struggle for democrats

01:33:23.480 um to to win those seats and you know if the landscape is as bad in november as as it is right

01:33:30.100 now people aren't even talking about uh you know bennett in colorado uh which is another seat that

01:33:36.200 that could potentially uh you know come on the board late and and be a real struggle you've got it you

01:33:42.620 know uh washington state's another one that you know is is considered probably safe for

01:33:48.580 democrats but in this kind of environment we don't know um we know it's bad but we don't know

01:33:54.260 how bad it is how bad it'll be for for democrats right now the you know in the house you're looking

01:33:59.040 at anything that's like a you know any biden any district that biden won by 10 points or less is

01:34:04.600 potentially uh you know in play given what we saw in in virginia and new jersey about a 10 to 12 point

01:34:11.620 shift um so i think it's i think the senate is the republicans are the favorite to take the senate

01:34:17.200 there's no question they're just not a strong favorite as they are in the house and meanwhile

01:34:21.660 the the issue that you keep you know mentioning inflation they're doing very little about right

01:34:27.000 the fed raises interest rates a little bit they're not nowhere near enough to actually change what's

01:34:32.240 happening on the inflationary front and immigration we're about to go in the wrong direction you know

01:34:37.240 we're lifting title 42 we're gonna at the end of may is when that's happening so things are not

01:34:41.380 going to get better mayorkas keeps telling us so we've got it under control no one believes that

01:34:45.480 if you have it under control why is it so bad why is it at record levels of bad before we lift that

01:34:50.700 those are issues people really do care about and that drive voters to the polls you know not as much

01:34:57.420 abortion um but on top of that you've got a very woke administration that's very luxury and judgy and

01:35:04.240 interfering with parents in the school you know boards and so on and you got disinformation

01:35:09.420 departments stuff that hits people in their personal lives in a way that you know maybe the abortion

01:35:15.460 motivates some democrats this stuff motivates a lot of republicans that's why we saw glenn young

01:35:20.200 can you know surge to victory in virginia that's right and and we're going to get another inflation

01:35:26.740 number on wednesday uh it's expected to be a little bit less than march which was 8.5 it's supposed to be

01:35:32.520 8.1 but you know 8.1 is is still disaster territory for democrats i mean that number has to come down a

01:35:40.720 lot between now and november uh for for this and biden's going to give a speech uh about it this he's

01:35:47.600 he's talking about it more often which i think is probably you know smart and good but to your point

01:35:53.440 there's not a lot that he can do some of the things that he's you know that have caused inflation

01:35:59.060 you know first the administration i mean they've literally just bungled this from the beginning when

01:36:03.700 inflation started percolating as an issue last spring they said no it doesn't exist and then

01:36:08.500 they said it's you know oh it's temporary at the end of the year biden said it had peaked at 6.8 percent

01:36:14.100 and then as i mentioned it went up to 8.5 percent they've taken sort of a dismissive attitude that

01:36:20.240 you know oh well that's a you know upper class problem you remember jen saki with the supply chain

01:36:25.060 issues um they just haven't and then they were blaming it on putin uh which clearly you know the

01:36:32.280 public didn't buy and and now you know trump's going to sort of shift it and and and try and you know

01:36:38.000 blame republicans for it and and say they can't be put in power so i just think the administration

01:36:43.160 has not meanwhile it's it it rose quickly to the top concern among americans uh as as they dealt with

01:36:50.820 higher gas prices and you know it's one of those things when you when you fill up your tank and it

01:36:55.160 costs you know 70 or 100 the first time it's like whoa you know wow that's a lot um it's it's more

01:37:02.480 shock when you've done it 10 20 50 times it's there's a cumulative effect and it turns to anger and why am

01:37:12.140 i still paying this much and and so we've gotten into the anger territory now where people are uh and

01:37:18.540 the washington post poll that came out last week showed this i mean i think it was like 44 percent

01:37:22.340 of people are not just concerned about inflation they're upset by it i mean it really is starting

01:37:26.460 to piss people off and the administration again hasn't done what i think is is match the level of

01:37:33.560 urgency i mean joe biden should have set up a commission he should have an inflation czar he

01:37:37.200 should be talking about it every day here are the things we're trying to do it should be all over it

01:37:41.100 should be all over it and and just to because even if you don't believe there's a lot the

01:37:45.960 administration can actually do to bring inflation down they can at least match the urgency of the

01:37:51.420 american people on the issue communicate to them every single day we're not sleeping until this

01:37:56.840 thing you know till we fix this problem this time i see it like you're you're in this svelte 120 pound

01:38:03.080 body and you let somebody else you let somebody else control your body for a period of time and

01:38:09.380 before you know it like in a year your body comes back to you at 860 pounds 860 you're like what did

01:38:16.920 you do to my body and then the next month he says well now it's 810 pounds right what i i'm not

01:38:24.400 satisfied and yes i'm angry i'm more than concerned i'm angry uh they're gonna have to deal with that

01:38:29.960 no amount of saber rattling about you know the social issues is gonna be enough to turn the tide

01:38:35.760 tom such a pleasure thank you so much for what you do love real killer politics and your whole team

01:38:41.040 there thanks megan great to be with you thanks for joining us today tomorrow my old pal judge

01:38:46.620 napolitano will be back with us we used to do oh gosh so many segments together when i was on fox

01:38:52.320 news he's always entertaining haven't talked to him in forever looking forward to our discussion

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 09, 2022

Activists Target Justices' Homes, and Meghan Markle's Woke Show Canceled, with Piers Morgan and Tom Bevan ｜ Ep. 317

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