The Megyn Kelly Show - Adam Curry on Coordinated COVID Attacks, Following the Money, and Michael and Janet Jackson

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we have a fascinating

00:00:16.920 guest for you, the podfather. Adam Curry is back on with us, this time for the full show,

00:00:23.280 and we are psyched about it. Adam's an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ,

00:00:28.360 a podcasting pioneer, I mean truly pioneer, and co-host of the informative and hilarious

00:00:34.940 No Agenda podcast. No agenda whatsoever. He's the reason you're able to listen to this show right

00:00:40.820 now in large part, and also why you were addicted to music videos, and he says Skittles in the 1980s,

00:00:47.360 and maybe to this day. He has lived an incredible life so far, and we are going to get into all of

00:00:52.740 it. Welcome back to the show, Adam. Great to have you. Hey, Megyn, it's so good to be here.

00:00:57.100 You know, it's funny because in getting ready for this, our longer interview, I was actually

00:01:01.860 going back, I was looking at old interviews you did and so on, and I don't know how I forgot about

00:01:06.340 the hair. I don't know how I forgot about the huge, I don't know, I know you describe it as a mullet.

00:01:11.900 I think that's a little too ungenerous. It was just like 80s rocker hair.

00:01:16.860 Well, okay, first of all, if I ever write a book, it will be held hostage by my hair,

00:01:23.420 because I truly was just a hostage to that thing. So the whole concept when I went to MTV,

00:01:31.060 just a little bit before I went to MTV, was what Merv Griffin always says, people with big heads

00:01:36.520 are very successful on television.

00:01:38.540 Big head, little body, I heard.

00:01:40.080 This is a small, now that's more mullet than anything. But I don't have a big head,

00:01:47.120 and at the time, it was, you know, 80s, so I started to grow the hair. But I have really

00:01:52.100 soft, kind of flaccid, Mona Lisa-like hair when it's wet, certainly.

00:01:55.700 I've never heard a man willingly use the word flaccid to describe himself.

00:01:59.540 It shows your confidence.

00:02:00.040 It takes a real man, Megan. It takes a real man.

00:02:03.400 And so I had, you know, it would take me 30 minutes. Actually, my ex-wife at the time,

00:02:08.040 she would do that. I would wash my hair, she'd blow dry it, she'd tease it,

00:02:12.780 she'd put all the Aquanet in there, or maybe at the time, also studio, studio, studio,

00:02:18.060 just a studio. And what was the biggest problem is if I went on location somewhere and I didn't

00:02:25.520 have anyone to help me with my hair, I would literally have to sleep very still in the bed.

00:02:31.040 I have to take a shower, kind of avoiding any water streams. It was horrendous. So when I finally,

00:02:37.700 you know, figured it out that, you know, this was a captive situation, I cut it off.

00:02:42.780 But up until the big hair, there were a few moments there, like the one you showed with

00:02:47.040 Tina Turner, where I think it was borderline mullet.

00:02:49.960 I think the Tina Turner shot did look a little mullety, but the one I'm thinking about is you

00:02:54.740 on the plane with all the bands going to Moscow. It was like Ozzy Osbourne, Skid Row, Bon Jovi.

00:03:02.240 I actually think we have a clip. We pulled a clip of you talking to Oz. Oh no, let's do the one

00:03:05.880 of him. Yeah. Okay. Wait, I'm trying to see, because we pulled a bunch of them. I want to see the one

00:03:12.020 that best captures the hair. Let's just do, let's just do the one with Ozzy, because that's

00:03:16.560 interesting. And it's all right to a soundbite too. Let's play it.

00:03:20.400 Headbangers ball continues from the magic bus on our way to the Soviet Union and no strangers

00:03:25.120 to the ball. Of course, Ozzy and Zach guys, good to have you aboard.

00:03:28.860 Well, are we aboard? It's like a flying madhouse.

00:03:32.540 Are we actually flying is the question I haven't checked recently. I mean, I don't know what,

00:03:36.520 what the pilot's doing up there, but it's planes on, I hope it's an automatic pilot,

00:03:41.260 because I have no human star. I thought you were flying it. I think I was at one point.

00:03:47.180 See, you were in good state. Everybody had hair like that.

00:03:50.320 Yeah. First of all, the, uh, the height of my journalistic career there, obviously these

00:03:54.600 questions riveting. Yeah. But that was, that was the thing. Everybody, everybody had the hair

00:03:59.060 and everyone started to go a little shorter after that. And it was just part of what it was.

00:04:03.840 That was the vibe. And of course it's fun to look at it now. Uh, but man, even though it was,

00:04:09.020 it was painful all those years, I am so happy. And please note 57 still have hair. Very,

00:04:15.500 very pleased with the hair. It looks good. It looks good too. It looks like your own.

00:04:19.760 It 100% my own. That's impressive. You know, I love the clip because, um, it starts off. If you

00:04:26.340 watch the whole thing, it's on YouTube and people can do it. Um, with you interviewing the guys from,

00:04:30.580 I think it was Skid Row. And, uh, I knew the one guy from Gilmore girls.

00:04:38.200 Are you aware he went on to act in Gilmore girls? I'm pretty sure they got the, he was very

00:04:42.740 beautiful. He had very long blonde hair and I'm pretty sure. Is that his name? Yeah. He,

00:04:49.080 I think he went on to star in Gilmore. Well, David Sutcliffe, who is actually a friend. He was Rory

00:04:55.920 on a Rory's dad on the Gilmore girls. Why do I know these things? Wait, no. Rory's dad was.

00:05:02.460 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. Yes. You're right. But there's a different guy who came and joined

00:05:06.080 Rory's best friends band. Uh, oh no, that was Sebastian. Sebastian Bach, uh, joined the band

00:05:13.940 in the series. Okay. Yeah. What was, what was he from? Which band was he in? He's from Skid Row.

00:05:18.800 Okay. So I'm right. Uh, yeah, but he, but he was in there as you're right. Yeah. Okay. Now I was a

00:05:25.620 little confused when you said that. Cause I happened to know David Sutcliffe. Um, but yeah,

00:05:29.980 it was Sebastian Bach who then was in the band in, uh, in Gilmore. Why do I know this, Megan? That

00:05:34.720 was our lockdown series. We watched the whole, I'd never watched it. It would never appealed to me.

00:05:39.260 I said, come on, let's watch it. You'll like it. And I loved it. In fact, I loved it so much. We

00:05:43.200 kind of moved to star hollow out in the Texas Hill country. So I got pulled into it because, um,

00:05:49.360 my daughter was sort of looking for a show and I didn't know if it was going to be appropriate for

00:05:54.160 her. So I kind of gave it a look, see first one episode or two. And it was seemed totally wholesome.

00:05:58.400 And, um, we watched it together. It was such a nice experience. And then now I know a lot of moms

00:06:03.420 who watch this show and dads too with their daughters. It's just sort of a nice, I don't know.

00:06:08.440 It's not totally wholesome, but mostly. What did you think about the, the 10 years later that the,

00:06:13.920 the short series they did after that, when they're all older, I enjoyed that too, just

00:06:18.400 because if you're a fan of the show, you know, and I liked the fact that it went back to the

00:06:21.140 original writer and show creator and she got her final say on her characters, you know,

00:06:25.360 who were sort of taken away from her in the last season, but there's always something a little sad

00:06:29.580 about seeing them older and fatter. Yeah. And that's like with sex in the city, I have to admit,

00:06:34.920 uh, we've been following that. It's, uh, it's kind of jarring. It's not at all what you thought

00:06:41.200 it was. I don't, frankly, I don't think people like that that much in general. You don't really

00:06:45.840 want to be reminded of if they're aging, that must mean you're aging. And if they don't look quite as

00:06:50.980 good, that's why whenever they say, Hey Adam, come do the, the eighties cruise, you know, we'll pay

00:06:55.700 you handsomely. You get to go on the cruise ship. I'm like, are you insane? No, that's pathetic.

00:07:01.400 I don't want, you know, I love celebrating what we did, but I'm not going to sit there and talk

00:07:05.720 about, you know, Oh, the great times at MTV. No, we have to move on a little bit.

00:07:10.880 Yeah. Well, you know what else? It's like we gen Xers need to live in the present because they need

00:07:15.360 us now more than ever. We are so important to fighting the cultural battles that are going on

00:07:19.680 right now. We're the ones who remember when it was normal and who have the spines to fight back.

00:07:23.900 Okay. Yes. And, um, yeah, I'm actually a boomer adjacent. I'm from 1964. Uh, so we are the gen I

00:07:32.540 identify with gen X, but I recently learned that I can classify my classify myself as, um, uh, a doomer

00:07:39.200 optimist. A doomer optimist. You are right between, right? Cause like my mom's generation is the true

00:07:45.600 boomer. She was born in 41. I was born in 70. So I'm a true gen Xer. And that's that sixties group.

00:07:51.740 That's my brother and sister. Yeah. What is that? Well, we don't really fit in anywhere. Um, you

00:07:58.320 know, we, we were probably waking up in the middle of the woken up in the middle of the night to see

00:08:02.360 the moon landing and didn't really understand much. And, uh, but we were, we came into a country

00:08:07.880 that had just had the assassination of JFK. So it was, it was a very, very weird time. And I think

00:08:13.900 probably a lot of kids, uh, my age in that, that, you know, mid to late sixties probably, uh,

00:08:20.220 I had very stressful parents, stressed out parents at the time.

00:08:23.900 Right. Because that was truly when women understood they could quote, have it all.

00:08:30.560 And which meant you have to do all the home care that you used to do. Plus you have to work outside

00:08:35.420 of the home full time and then say it's easy and you're nailing it and get no help from anybody.

00:08:42.440 Well, that's interesting. You say that. Um, yeah, I guess so. I guess it was also the time when

00:08:47.220 moms hotbox you in the car with their cigarettes. That's what I remember the most. Totally. If moms

00:08:52.820 and dads, my dad had a VW bug, a black VW bug, which by the way, we drove from Syracuse to Orlando,

00:09:00.900 Florida when I was 10. And, um, he and she both smoked with the three of us in there the entire way.

00:09:08.300 I was like, yeah, I'll never see 60. Uh, don't say that. Um, I've, I've, I've been a lifelong

00:09:16.500 smoker. I have, you know, cut back pretty much all together on the tobacco, except when I mix it in

00:09:21.180 with something else. But I think that, you know, I was really, my mom smoked when she was pregnant

00:09:25.740 with me is, uh, mine too. Quite, uh, yeah. Yeah. But she says, Oh, but never in the first trimester.

00:09:31.280 I'm like, what, what sense is happening? Thanks mom. Was that the advice then from the Fauci at the

00:09:38.240 time? Exactly. There's a picture of my mom when she's pregnant with my brother or sister,

00:09:43.700 they were born in 64 and 65, um, with like a martini kind of resting on her pregnant belly.

00:09:50.760 I'm like, Oh, excellent. Excellent. It defines us, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, you know, we go through

00:09:57.140 these cycles where we're just hyper about don't do this and don't do this. And I wonder if we're

00:10:02.400 going to relax a little after this crazy COVID mania for two years, like just relax a little

00:10:08.240 like moderation. Well, no, I don't think that's, I don't think that's in the cards because we need

00:10:16.340 to have a few more crises. We can't leave this crisis state alone. It's too compelling. It works

00:10:23.880 too well for too many, uh, different, um, groups, certainly industries. I mean, it's just,

00:10:30.020 it's a beautiful situation. Um, you, if you can just keep the crisis going right now, I think we've

00:10:35.700 shifted a bit to the testing crisis and you see it, I see it around me. You probably see it in New

00:10:41.780 York. Um, even, even people who are very rational and understand Omicron, maybe not being as, uh,

00:10:48.980 as severe, of course, as exceptions, I'm no doctor, disclaimer, disclaimer. Um, but still

00:10:54.600 they've gotten hyped up and all jacked about, I need a test. I need, I need, I just have to,

00:10:59.120 I got to have tests at home. It's kind of, it's almost like paper towels now, you know,

00:11:02.820 and that incentivizes the government to, uh, go buy tests. I think we just spent, uh, $179 million

00:11:10.960 on tests, uh, that we're apparently giving to schools and every school, every child gets a test

00:11:18.500 to take home every night. People have to work, can't get them. It's, you know, it feels a little

00:11:22.360 artificial and certainly something that could have been avoided. We do love crisis. We love drama.

00:11:29.920 I cannot believe the number of people who are leaning into drama and crisis and seem to need it.

00:11:36.720 Like, you know, the addiction to a drug. I mean, I, I knew of them prior to this. I remember looking

00:11:42.280 around being like, would you settle just as Hemmer used to say, my pal on Fox sim the mer it's just

00:11:47.940 sim the mer. Um, and I was never one of those people. And it, I think it actually helped me in

00:11:53.960 the news business because I never really, you know, there'd be terrible, terrible things where

00:11:58.880 you'd really get stressed out like the new town tragedy. Right. But for me, it took that level to

00:12:03.940 really, you know, kind of stress me out or make me not be able to let go of the news cycle.

00:12:08.960 These people, I mean, the insanity coming out of New York city every day, Adam, you know, I talked

00:12:14.180 about this the other day, but like my friends there send me these texts every day. These moms who

00:12:19.480 won't let their kids ride in the car of another mom, unless the other mom swears that she'll put

00:12:24.400 all of the windows down and everyone inside that car will be masked while they're driving around

00:12:28.840 three year olds. It's like, you've got to be kidding me. Your kid's going to be fine. Calm down.

00:12:33.340 It's okay. In Texas, we had a mom stick her kid in the trunk, you know, to drive through the

00:12:39.840 testing site. She didn't, she didn't want to catch the coup. Is that just, I mean, that I never know

00:12:46.580 of it. Is it like fear or is that just stupidity? Is it just some stupid moron who we shouldn't cover

00:12:50.800 in the news? Oh no. I think this is a, this is fear and the fear is, uh, doing something wrong.

00:12:58.200 There's an incredible shame element to what is taking place. And that has part to do with also,

00:13:03.440 I think, um, people, uh, are finding this is a great purpose for them in life, their job,

00:13:10.400 their environment may just not, they may not feel like they have purpose. Um, but when it comes to,

00:13:15.700 uh, when it comes to, you know, this, this type of, uh, it's not really insanity, but the fear is

00:13:23.740 that you catch it. And I, and I've seen this from people who are double vaccinated, boosted,

00:13:29.420 you catch it. And then it's your fault because you did something wrong, even though you did

00:13:35.340 everything right. And it puts people in such a mental state of, Oh my God, I'm, I'm people look

00:13:40.840 down on me. I feel so ashamed. And I've, I've heard this from friends of mine personally, who

00:13:46.680 even really totally rational people who just felt that shame. Now, many of them break out of it.

00:13:52.740 This is a beautiful moment when that happens, because then you start to look around and go,

00:13:56.440 hold on a second. There's a lot of other things that are kind of weird. It was going on. I had

00:14:00.180 tunnel vision. So it's, I believe that's fear of the shame of screwing up, which of course is

00:14:07.360 ludicrous because you can't stop that from happening. It's the fear of the shame of screwing up.

00:14:15.280 And also my best sentence structure. No, but I got you. But, but I also think there's like,

00:14:20.620 they've settled into sanctimony in a lot of these pockets. They're enjoying feeling like

00:14:25.440 they're better than the great unwashed masses. No, I don't think so. I, that, no, it feels like

00:14:34.160 this just, again, it's a purpose, you know, we're, we're in this horrible situation. We now know this,

00:14:39.980 and we're not going back to the way it was, or at least that this is what we're being told.

00:14:43.840 Um, you know, this is the new normal and it's, well, let's just, let's just call it out.

00:14:50.200 We have world leaders at the moment. Um, three that I can, I can mention who are causing this.

00:14:56.860 Uh, one is our own president, uh, Biden, who is saying this is a pan consistently saying this is

00:15:03.380 a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which is demonstrably at this point, not true. Um, you have,

00:15:09.900 uh, Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau saying, Hey, you know, the, um, the people who

00:15:16.140 aren't vaccinated, they're anti, I'm paraphrasing, but it's pretty close. Um, they're anti-vaxxers.

00:15:22.160 Um, a lot of them are misogynists and racists. And then we have, uh, a president Macron of, uh,

00:15:28.840 France saying, Hey, I want to piss off the unvaccinated. So this is licensed and this is

00:15:34.280 justice coordinated is the build back better bull crap that we kept hearing about. It's a

00:15:39.180 coordinated attack on your own citizens. And so it's kind of like a message. It's like a bugle

00:15:44.880 call. Like it's okay to do this. It's okay to go after these people. And again, I think a lot of

00:15:49.980 people, um, are very fearful. They feel like it's a fight. Um, the only way out is to, um, condemn

00:15:57.380 the unvaccinated there to blame. Look, that's what the president says. Um, and it gives them

00:16:03.900 a real purpose. I don't think it's, it's this, uh, I don't think it's anything else but that it

00:16:09.900 gives people purpose and fight and, and they actually are in their hearts doing the right

00:16:14.500 thing. I definitely think that's a factor, but I mean, there's just been too much sanctimony on

00:16:21.500 the pages of the paper and in the, on the, on the television with people being so disgusted by the

00:16:27.580 unvaxxed that to me, there, there is a degree of sanctimony. They think they're enjoying feeling

00:16:33.080 like they're better than it's an extension of the deplorables and saying everybody who is,

00:16:38.120 you know, a supporter of president Trump, nevermind it at the Capitol on January 6th,

00:16:41.880 there's a terrorist. And, and to me, nothing embodies it better than this, this column by

00:16:47.360 Michael Hiltzak in the LA times Hiltzak that we've covered this guy before. This is a guy

00:16:54.080 who got in trouble. He got suspended. He's a known troll, total troll, but he writes for the LA times

00:17:00.080 and he's supposedly well-respected. He's one of our elites. Don't you understand Adam? And he went,

00:17:04.460 he was going onto his own blog. He got in trouble and like posting comments onto his own blog. And

00:17:08.520 then he'd go and he'd rip on conservatives on other people's blogs, but not under his real name

00:17:11.900 because he doesn't have the stones to do it. He was, he was fired for it. Yeah. He, and he was,

00:17:16.800 he was in serious trouble and now he's finally fine found the stones to write under his real name.

00:17:21.780 And I think he was right the first time he should have stayed anonymous because this morons piece in the LA

00:17:26.900 Times yesterday is basically defending, mocking the death of what he calls anti-vaxxers. Okay. But

00:17:37.020 you should be aware he is lumping in with anti-vaxxers. Not that that's okay, but he's

00:17:43.300 lumping in people who are against vaccine mandates to your point of, of expanding the definition,

00:17:49.040 right? Like it's not just people who don't like the vaxxers. It has to be people who are anti-mandate.

00:17:53.380 They're bad too. And he, and he's not alone in this took aim at Kelly, uh, earn B this poor gal.

00:18:03.020 I think she was 44 years old. She just died of COVID. She, they describe her as a prominent

00:18:07.820 orange County Republican deputy district attorney. And what was her sin? She advocated against vaccine

00:18:14.420 mandates. Now we know thanks to her husband, she was unvaxxed. We did not know that when all of the

00:18:20.620 attacks launched against her, it was enough that she just was against mandates for all these

00:18:25.740 newspapers to do articles about her death, as though it told us something about society that

00:18:30.920 that a lawyer who didn't believe in mandates had died of COVID. And somehow that meant something.

00:18:36.180 What did it mean? She was wrong to oppose mandates. She should have imposed a mandate on herself.

00:18:40.540 Like, what are you saying? A fort, the average 44 year old, even unvaccinated has a very low risk of

00:18:46.340 COVID. They're going to be outliers. People understand that. And I believe the vaccines

00:18:50.200 probably would have lessened her chances of death greatly. She chose not to get them. That's her

00:18:54.780 choice. Now we know she didn't take the VAX because her husband got online to correct the terrible

00:19:00.400 misinformation being put out there about her. Some people who are anti-vaccine are saying, oh,

00:19:05.760 she died right after she got the vaccine. That's a lie. Some people who are, um,

00:19:10.480 who are pro-vaccine are, um, saying she got, she died because she was anti-mandate. Well, no,

00:19:17.860 but I'm sure not getting the vaccine, which does prevent, it helps prevent severe disease and death

00:19:23.020 in the case of COVID was not a great thing for her. Well, it was her choice. So this guy,

00:19:29.220 Hiltzik writes in his piece. All right, Adam, this is King Hiltzik.

00:19:35.600 To begin with, let's stipulate that not all, not all people who are unvaccinated against COVID are

00:19:42.660 alike. Some have remained unvaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. They may be children

00:19:47.680 for whom the COVID vaccines haven't yet been officially ruled safe or people with genuine

00:19:52.380 medical reasons for avoiding the vaccine. Some may have legitimately faced obstacles in getting to a

00:19:56.580 vaccination site and receiving the full series of shots before becoming exposed to the disease.

00:20:01.160 Thank you, sire. Thank you for sire, for acknowledging some of the unvaccinated are still

00:20:05.640 good people. But then he goes on and the deaths of those victims, by the way, are truly lamentable,

00:20:11.780 the truly lamentable ones. But now there's going to be a distinction drawn by, by King, the King here.

00:20:18.160 Um, he says,

00:20:19.800 It may be not a little ghoulish to celebrate or exult in the deaths of vaccine opponents,

00:20:28.940 and it may be proper to express sympathy and solicitude to those they leave behind.

00:20:34.780 But mockery is not necessarily the wrong reaction to those who publicly mocked anti-COVID measures

00:20:41.600 and encouraged others to follow suit. So now just mocking any of Dr. Fauci's protocols

00:20:47.060 entitles you to mockery upon your death. They can revel in your death, uh, before they perished

00:20:53.180 of the disease, the dangers of which they belittled. She didn't do that. She didn't like

00:20:57.860 mandates. I don't so far. I haven't seen evidence that Kelly belittled the dangers of the disease,

00:21:03.140 nor is it wrong. He continues to deny them our sympathy and solicitude again with a solicitude

00:21:09.520 or to make sure it's known when their deaths are marked that they had stood fast against measures

00:21:16.140 that might have protected others from the fate they succumbed to themselves. There may be no other

00:21:20.760 way to make sure that the lessons of these teachable moments are heard. What we need to do

00:21:25.960 is shame the dead, unvaccinated Americans amongst us. This is sick.

00:21:34.060 Well, uh, this kind of proves my point where we were talking about earlier that the sin of this poor

00:21:40.560 woman was not for being against mandates or not accepting the vaccination into her life.

00:21:46.500 Her sin was she's a Republican. And let's go back and look at the source. The source, uh, as I said,

00:21:53.380 a known troll admitted he was fired for three years. Uh, the times hired him back. Eventually LA times

00:21:59.200 I find has problems in general. They've had intelligence assets who were reporting and writing

00:22:05.380 for them. And they've been outed in recent years. There's all kinds of stuff going on there,

00:22:09.760 but this guy, uh, who has written several books, uh, I would say with a globalist tint about how

00:22:16.160 fantastic, you know, the robber barons, uh, and how the railroads were built, but he's, he's a,

00:22:21.220 a political, uh, reporter. So he's doing exactly what his beat is. This is a political story.

00:22:27.860 Um, it's, uh, it's, it's, it, you could have many different people. You could use any examples you

00:22:33.000 want, but you know, he chooses this one. Uh, and it's, and he takes it straight to, uh, politics

00:22:39.140 throughout the article. And he, I don't think he's quite, neither am I, but he's not qualified to

00:22:42.920 talk about the medical aspects of it. But half of the article is, you know, more facts and data,

00:22:48.520 et cetera. And unfortunately this, the real cynical part of this is exactly, is exactly what we're

00:22:55.160 seeing unfold before our very eyes. He is following orders from his leaders. And in this case,

00:23:00.700 let's just say it's the president, but I'm sure it goes all the way down. And this is the message.

00:23:05.260 The message is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. We need to do everything we can to make that very,

00:23:11.400 very clear. They are to blame and it's a global rollout. So you'll see. And by the way, I speak

00:23:18.260 fluent Dutch. I speak, you know, fluent, uh, Flemish for the Belgium. Uh, I can get by a little bit

00:23:24.140 in German, French, I lose it, but this is, this is happening everywhere. It's the, this is not just

00:23:29.040 America. This, um, some would call it othering is taking place everywhere, right in front of our

00:23:37.080 eyes. And there's, you know, if you, if you think about, um, the psychosis of it all, there's 30%

00:23:44.160 of people probably in every country who are all in and totally radical about it and are out there

00:23:50.960 fighting on social media and calling people out and, you know, getting people deplatformed.

00:23:56.140 You know, it's a big game and a game always has purpose. Um, and, uh, there's 30% who just

00:24:05.400 completely aren't buying it. And I think we belong to that group. And in the middle is the 40%. And

00:24:10.580 right now they're still leaning heavily towards the, the, the previous, uh, group, but you know,

00:24:17.240 that's the fight is who are we swaying? And, and, and when will that power, when will that power

00:24:22.980 tip a little bit to the other side on the scales? And I think, cause again, it's all political,

00:24:28.320 certainly in the United States, we're seeing now an interesting walk back. We're seeing,

00:24:33.880 um, even, uh, the very partisan governor of, uh, of New York, uh, talking about, well, you know,

00:24:41.780 let's just, let's just be fair about these numbers. There are people in the hospital, um, and, you know,

00:24:46.400 who are there because of COVID and just, they were there and they were diagnosed with COVID.

00:24:51.000 So all these things are starting to unravel. Now we have this, one of these mythical,

00:24:55.500 several experts are saying the administration is going backwards. This is, you know, there's

00:25:00.420 something going on here. Uh, even Walensky was tripping all over herself is, is, I saw ABC edit,

00:25:08.460 edit a piece where she was talking about, um, how many people had died who were vaccinated and

00:25:14.560 actually something that enhanced her story about how safe vaccines, the vaccines are.

00:25:21.000 Um, they cut that out. So there's something going on. And I think it's to,

00:25:24.700 you know, really put all the blame on the president Biden. Uh, and God knows what the,

00:25:30.520 what the strategy is after that. Yeah. She, she told ABC Rochelle Walensky,

00:25:35.000 I believe that 75% of those who are vaccinated, who died from COVID had at least four comorbidities.

00:25:44.300 So she was trying to make the point that, um, if you get the vaccine, you have a very,

00:25:49.720 very low chance of dying from COVID. And those who did, who got the vaccine and nonetheless died,

00:25:56.100 had multiple medical issues, um, you know, that, that contributed. And, and that is, look,

00:26:02.220 I heard somebody make, having this discussion the other day, and I thought it was a good way of

00:26:05.800 looking at the vaccine. You know, maybe it's a misnamed, but it's, it's almost like a therapeutic

00:26:12.000 at this point. You know, it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID, but it's got a great chance

00:26:17.180 of preventing you from dying, uh, or suffering severe disease. Now we actually have pills and

00:26:22.820 therapeutics you can take once you get diagnosed with COVID that will do that too, but they're kind

00:26:27.340 of hard to get. You have to take them right after you've been dying, you know, like early on in your

00:26:32.020 COVID saga. So, you know, can you, will, you know, can you get there? The vaccines are more like,

00:26:37.500 I got it. And I've checked that box, but that's, that's all they do. They don't prevent the spread

00:26:43.800 of COVID. Even the CDC is admitting that now with Omicron. It does make me wonder whether the shaming

00:26:49.940 is going to stop now, Adam, you know, like whether do they, do these people calm down because my not

00:26:55.300 getting the vaccine doesn't affect you at all. It doesn't, it doesn't make me spread it by the way.

00:26:59.400 I did get the vaccine, but it doesn't make me spread it. You know what I mean? The people around

00:27:02.600 you who didn't get it, they're not spreading it any more than the people who did get it.

00:27:05.440 It's their own medical decision. Yes, they may wind up in the hospital. Yes, they may quote,

00:27:10.240 take a bed, right? But so are the heavy people taking bets. So are the people who have diabetes

00:27:14.840 taking bets and who may have brought it on from, you know, improper eating and so on. Diabetes,

00:27:19.560 you know, induced by tons of sugar, whatever. My point is simply, will it calm people down

00:27:25.840 now that they know we're all spreading it? Triple vaxxed, quadruple vaxxed or not vaxxed?

00:27:31.060 No, because the, the, the powers that be will continue to push crisis because they do not want

00:27:39.120 to rescind any emergency measures. The print, the money printing press is, which is metaphorically

00:27:45.160 speaking, is running, uh, in overtime and ready to do more as soon as more legislation can get passed.

00:27:51.080 Um, you know, we're already seeing, maybe there's some new version coming out of China.

00:27:58.180 Jian is still locked down, but Oh, now maybe there's some hemorrhagic fever that is a part of

00:28:03.560 that, which is a completely different beast altogether. Um, and you know, when it comes to

00:28:09.340 protection, um, and treatments, you know, the, the, uh, the effectiveness of the Pfizer pill,

00:28:20.120 uh, is not all, even by their own admission is not super great. Um, the monoclonal antibodies,

00:28:28.140 which, uh, seems to be working very well. Friends of mine have had it and it, it fixed them like

00:28:34.440 really quickly, like two days. Um, those are being held back and many States don't have them at all.

00:28:40.580 And I've seen, I've personally seen emails within a state health systems where they say, look, you

00:28:46.680 know, the Biden administration is cutting back on this and they're rationing it, which is ridiculous

00:28:50.640 because it's very easy to make. Um, we're cutting back on it. Uh, but you know, there's this great

00:28:56.040 alternative, which is the Pfizer pill, which the U S government also just spent $490, uh, billion

00:29:04.200 buying, uh, buying, uh, buying pills to hand out to everybody, you know, so it's just, it's just a

00:29:10.200 continuous thing. And, and everyone who's close to the money is benefiting. So it doesn't behoove

00:29:15.700 anyone and certainly not the media business who are captured by the pharmaceutical industry

00:29:20.940 to, to, to give anyone, any other impression, you will be continuously nudged into a state of fear.

00:29:29.320 There's no letting up and it'll be something new tomorrow. If all of a sudden we all,

00:29:34.200 we all snap out of it, which I don't see any evidence of. Hmm. I'm, I'm interested. I take

00:29:40.260 your point and I agree with it, uh, on imposing fear and continuing the fear and the people making

00:29:44.940 big money off of this pandemic and Pfizer is one of them, no question. But the, all the data I have

00:29:51.680 seen so far on that pill, their therapeutic was very promising. It was saying it basically prevented

00:29:58.000 death. I've seen anywhere between 90 and a hundred percent in, uh, 90 to a hundred percent of the

00:30:04.460 case. Like I haven't heard anybody, you know, taking issue with the effectiveness of the therapeutic,

00:30:10.000 the Pfizer therapeutic. Uh, I have, uh, but I'm not qualified to discuss it. Um, but I heard the

00:30:16.580 same thing about the vaccinations. They are doing a good job preventing serious disease or death.

00:30:22.940 That wasn't what we were promised. We were literally promised. You won't have to wear a

00:30:27.640 mask. You won't get COVID. I mean, yeah, it's watered down by now, but that was clearly the

00:30:32.440 message. Agreed. Even the president, I mean, president Biden said that in July, if you take

00:30:37.340 the vaccines, you will not get COVID. And by the way, that, that didn't just become untrue with

00:30:44.600 Omicron. It was also untrue with Delta. Hello, breakthrough infections. That, that term was coined under

00:30:50.040 Delta. Um, and, and there's no accountability and they, they continue to want us to trust them.

00:30:56.500 Just trust them. All right. Stand by Adam. Cause we have so much more to go over more with the

00:31:00.980 pod father coming up, including, uh, Senator Rand Paul, once again, taking on Dr. Fauci in the Senate

00:31:06.060 questioning just today over Fauci's emails, showing a coordinated campaign to take down the authors

00:31:14.220 of the great Barrington declaration. You know, these guys like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who comes on the

00:31:19.020 show all the time and his two coauthors, Harvard, Stanford. No, they've got to go. They've got to

00:31:23.700 be ruined and destroyed. We'll pick it up in just a minute.

00:31:33.840 Just for folks, we mentioned this last time we were on, we didn't actually play the clip. I'm

00:31:37.120 sure you've seen it a million times, but just for folks who doubt, uh, that you really were the

00:31:43.280 pod father are the pod father and were recognized as such by even Steve jobs. Um, let's play the clip

00:31:49.700 of Steve jobs playing Adam's podcast back in 2005, beaming with pride over what you had managed to

00:31:59.520 figure out how to do online. Just if you were to eventually get into selling paid audio stuff.

00:32:07.520 Well, I, you could, you could try to sell podcasts, but the whole phenomenon is so great. It's free.

00:32:11.720 And I think what we're going to see is an advertising supported model emerged just like

00:32:15.060 free radio. Here's another Adam Curry is, uh, one of the guys that invented podcasting and, uh, he has

00:32:20.940 a podcast called the daily source. Let me go ahead and subscribe to that. And, uh, we can go listen

00:32:25.260 to his latest one, you know, just click on your daily source code show number 180. I've actually

00:32:33.440 had to restart the show three times. My Mac has been acting up like a motherfucker. I don't know what's

00:32:38.780 going on. I think it says something to do with the file system. Okay. How do you control say dirty stuff? I

00:32:50.420 mean, we're going to have an explicit flag on these, like we do the music. So you can know

00:32:55.240 if it's explicit. Awesome. You know, what I like, you know what I like about that clip the most,

00:33:01.100 Megan is at the end, Kara Swisher, here's a, here's something revolutionary. Steve is clearly

00:33:07.680 jacked about it. And the first thing that comes to her mind is how do we keep the bad stuff away?

00:33:13.180 How do we control it? Steve is so lame, but then she goes on to say, so you can, you'll make it easier

00:33:19.640 for me to find it. So she does it. She, she takes a hit at herself a little bit, like, like she's going

00:33:24.420 to be looking for the dirty stuff. But I love that. I mean, you really were. And I, and I know

00:33:28.660 you met with Steve jobs and you saw this technology and said, Hey, I have a great idea. When I look

00:33:33.860 back at your background, Adam, it's like, you were meant for that moment. And for this, like you,

00:33:37.740 you started broadcasting a very young age in the Netherlands, your parents let you lie about your

00:33:43.340 age. So you could get a job at a radio station, as I understand it. And then the next thing you knew,

00:33:48.120 MTV was calling. How did they even find you? Cause weren't you still in the Netherlands when they called you?

00:33:53.940 Yeah. Um, and, and I confirmed my career, uh, or my hobbies really have always been broadcasting

00:34:00.000 and, uh, technology and I've always been kind of a tinkerer. Um, so I had been in my, my career

00:34:07.000 went from building my own transmitter as a 13 year old, having my mom drive around the block,

00:34:12.560 see how far the signal went, um, to, uh, the lying part was about, there was a hospital radio station,

00:34:18.860 closed circuit, uh, but it was very professional. So I was very excited. You had to be 16. I auditioned,

00:34:23.920 and I was 15 and they said, it's okay. You can do that. It was, you know, uh, it was just, uh,

00:34:29.400 a volunteer work, but I mean, we had the key to the studios. We could do a lot of stuff.

00:34:33.840 And there I met, um, a lot of people who were doing big pirate radio stations in Amsterdam,

00:34:38.740 where at the time in this predominantly socialist country, um, they had government controlled radio,

00:34:45.300 government controlled television, and they had a popular music station, which at that point was

00:34:49.900 still kind of playing polka music. And meanwhile, the pirate radio stations were in Amsterdam and

00:34:56.120 they were playing, you know, import records from Chicago warehouse and all kinds of cool stuff.

00:35:00.600 And I just wanted to be on the radio and they had a big signal. And, um, and then from there,

00:35:06.420 um, I, uh, eventually got on that. Things changed very much, uh, in the landscape politically and in

00:35:13.300 the media landscape. Some, some, uh, different groups were allowed to use the government airwaves.

00:35:18.140 I got drafted into that. And then suddenly I was doing really the number one music television show

00:35:24.620 in all of Europe. And that was called countdown. That's where that picture of Tina Turner is from.

00:35:28.840 That was still in the Netherlands. Um, because, uh, Holland was seen as the gateway to Europe.

00:35:35.040 So when you came into Holland, that's where you were going to do your distribution of your records.

00:35:39.540 And there was this great show who had an American host who could speak some English

00:35:43.980 and would let you either perform, they could do live interviews, you know, uh, music videos.

00:35:49.320 Of course it was live, which was crazy. It was really intense. Like a, you know, uh, 12 camera

00:35:55.260 live show, uh, for an hour. And I was 19 when I started to do that. Wow. Um, and at that time,

00:36:01.580 uh, uh, the European broadcasting union who puts on the Eurovision song song contest every year,

00:36:08.600 um, they, uh, came out with, um, Europa television, which was a pan European satellite, um, collaboration.

00:36:17.640 And every country would, um, uh, contribute some programming and we contributed the music

00:36:23.220 programming. So that now was all of a sudden on satellite all over Europe. And you had countries

00:36:29.040 like Portugal who were dirt poor. I mean, there was nothing going on before all the big EU money.

00:36:34.020 And they were rebroadcasting this on their government television station. So all of a

00:36:40.860 sudden you had kids in Portugal who were watching Bon Jovi videos and they would send postcards and

00:36:46.800 I'd read their postcards on television. They, they were flipping out. They couldn't believe

00:36:51.140 what was happening. This was just a crazy revolution. And MTV was trying to get MTV Europe launched

00:36:56.960 and I'm not quite sure, but someone saw me and they were refreshing the whole VJ lineup. I wasn't

00:37:02.380 one of the originals contrary to popular belief, but I came in right when they were going to basic

00:37:07.340 cable, which meant 40 million households, a little more professional, which is, is funny because it

00:37:12.720 wasn't. Um, and, um, and they, they called me up literally Steve leads who works at Sirius, um,

00:37:20.000 who I still wanted my dear friends. He called up, I said, Hey, uh, you want to come work for MTV?

00:37:24.140 And I said, where he said, New York. I said, yeah, sure. When you need me there. And I was gone

00:37:31.740 within two, three months. I mean, it was fantastic. Wow. Uh, we have a clip from back in the day. This

00:37:37.140 is 1989. This is headbangers ball, right? This is, this is from your MTV days, uh, and captures the hair

00:37:47.340 among other flavors of the time. Watch it. Sound bite one.

00:37:56.620 Well, lock the door and tie the furniture down. Cause we're about to blow out three hours of

00:38:00.640 nonstop metal tonight on the ball. You'll get the world premiere of the new wasp video forever free

00:38:05.020 this hour. It's music from Mr. Big Queens, right? Blue murder and vintage metal with the leopards

00:38:09.300 photograph and Ozzy's crazy train. The metal detector checks out blue murders, new video jelly roll

00:38:13.740 and the latest controversy surrounding the King diamond camp. Yo, that's amazing that the jacket,

00:38:20.300 the hair, the swagger, right? There's a little swagger that kind of goes with it too.

00:38:25.260 Well, it was, it was kind of a cool show. And I don't know if you were a headbangers ball watch,

00:38:29.360 maybe you were more club MTV or, you know, maybe, uh, I was more like holiday.

00:38:35.500 I was that young girl. Right. I gotcha. Well, but, but, but, um, the headbangers ball was kind of,

00:38:43.240 um, uh, a weird spot because most of the videos, which are heavily edited by MTV at the time,

00:38:49.240 we just had too much satanic messaging and, you know, whatever creepy stuff. And, but at,

00:38:55.320 uh, after midnight Saturday, it was really three hours. Um, that's when a lot of stuff, you know,

00:39:00.720 really the water, the, the watershed moment had passed. So you could air a lot more of that.

00:39:05.600 And they asked me to do it. And I've, I, I'm not really a super metal head, but I have always

00:39:11.740 appreciated, uh, the musicianship, uh, cause some of it is really, really outstanding. Many of the,

00:39:17.500 the metal performers and, uh, even thrash metal are classically trained, just incredibly good.

00:39:23.440 Um, and it turns out most of these guys are cool and it's, it's all, of course, it's kind of an act,

00:39:28.500 you know, in the, in the seventies, we put our disco glitter stuff on and the eighties,

00:39:32.540 we had punk and sky and we had our skinny black ties and black and white stuff. So of course it

00:39:37.780 was part of the show. It was part of what it, what it was, but I have friendships still with a lot of

00:39:43.380 these guys and, uh, and gals too, actually. And, and, you know, it was, it was a fun little niche

00:39:49.320 that we had, which was very popular, um, uh, in the country, you know, people love this, what people

00:39:56.420 really were listening to much larger proportion than it got on air. And that was all because again,

00:40:02.320 the basic cable, the, you know, self-censorship of MTV, there was a lot of stuff going on. Um,

00:40:08.520 so, you know, am I a full on full blown metalhead? No, but, um, I'd listened to, uh, there's a cool

00:40:15.180 station here in the Hill country, which is, uh, uh, the rock of Texas in Kerrville. And they still

00:40:21.860 have, you know, they play all this stuff still, and they still have a morning show with, you know,

00:40:25.620 they got the bell and all that stuff. And it's, it's, it's fantastic. And just crank that. And I,

00:40:31.100 I can't help myself. I hear the songs like, Oh yeah, I remember this. This is cool.

00:40:34.240 You know, I don't know a ton of musicians, but a couple of the ones I do know are a little bit

00:40:38.660 more, you know, aggressive in their, their approach to rock or have been in the past, like Richie

00:40:43.360 Sambora, who was also on that flight and you interviewed to Moscow, um, and kid rock. And I,

00:40:49.440 what I've known, what I've noticed about these guys over the years is they are so sweet off camera. I mean,

00:40:55.180 they have a wild side for sure. Uh, and they know how to entertain an audience, but like

00:40:59.660 just gentle, like gentle, fun, kind, sweet, loving, especially Richie. My God, he is like

00:41:06.580 the nicest human or one of them. I've had the pleasure of meeting whose name is well known.

00:41:11.780 You just, you wouldn't know it from most of the stuff you hear about him or reading the papers

00:41:15.960 about him. Um, and I'm going to ask you who you feel that way about right after this break.

00:41:20.660 That's what we call it. Tease ladies and gentlemen, Adam Curry's coming back in one minute.

00:41:25.180 Don't go away so much more to go over. And don't forget in the meantime, you can find

00:41:28.240 the Megan Kelly show live on serious XM triumph channel one 11 every weekday at noon East and

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00:41:39.420 Kelly. Go there now. And you can catch out, catch our monologues from, uh, last week in this,

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00:41:48.060 download on Apple, Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcast. If you leave a comment

00:41:52.080 under the Apple, uh, sort of subscription under our show, I read them. There's we're going on 22,000

00:41:58.500 now. They make me laugh. They make me cry. They've given me fun guest ideas. And, uh, I would love to

00:42:04.480 read your feedback on the shows or anything else. Check it out. All right. Who is it? The person who

00:42:15.940 behind the scenes, we would be shocked to realize how much different they are from their public

00:42:20.580 profile. Oh, Alice Cooper, I would say would be top of my list. Of course, it's all old people that

00:42:25.780 I remember. Um, Alice Cooper, man, what, what, uh, a mensch is just a super, super sweet, generous guy.

00:42:33.620 And on stage, although over the years, you know, we've seen a more celebrity golf tournaments and

00:42:38.260 we've kind of gotten the clue. Um, but I would say, yeah, that's, uh, the, the one I was disappointed

00:42:45.980 in. Cause I did have a disappointment early in my career. There was one artist. I was so

00:42:50.800 excited to meet him and interview him. And that was Brian Adams, the Cougar from Vancouver.

00:42:55.480 And he was the top of his game. You know, he did the duet with Tina Turner and it was just,

00:43:00.780 and he had the summer of 69 was top of the charts. And maybe it was because he was on the road and,

00:43:06.520 you know, stuff gets weird on the road, but I was so excited and he was just so aloof and such a

00:43:11.800 dick. Oh my God. I can't believe it. It's still to this day still bothers me. Yeah. I know. I had

00:43:18.140 one of those Bruce Willis one time and I was like, what do you, well, why'd you, why'd you come on

00:43:21.400 here? Why do you, why'd you sit for the interview if you're going to be this much of a prick? Um,

00:43:25.320 okay. Michael Jackson. Wait, I want to hear that, but I also want to ask you about this because

00:43:30.600 Michael Jackson, um, you met and interviewed him and, and there's a clip of him next to you at the

00:43:36.460 MTV Video Vanguard Awards in 1988 that I understand there's a cool story behind. We're going to play

00:43:41.900 it. Listen. Adam Curry here on location in the Valley for an event that will go down in video

00:43:47.100 history, the presentation of the Video Vanguard Artist of the Decade Award. Now every year at

00:43:51.960 the MTV Video Music Awards, we honor those artists whose work has left a lasting mark on the world of

00:43:56.620 video. And we're here today to hand out the big one, the MTV Video Vanguard Artist of the Decade Award.

00:44:02.360 And to call a recipient worthy is an understatement of epic proportion. Believe me, this guy really

00:44:07.320 deserves it. Every single time we think we see the matter's best, he just goes out and tops himself

00:44:11.560 all over again. I'm talking, of course, about the one and only Michael Jackson. And I'd like to let

00:44:16.280 the president, head honcho, and chief executive officer take it over from here, Tom Preston. Go ahead, Tom.

00:44:21.700 Thank you, Adam. So on behalf of MTV and our audience, I'm thrilled to present you, the biggest

00:44:27.360 selling recording artist of all time, with the award for MTV's Video Vanguard of the Decade. We can't

00:44:33.840 wait to see what you have planned for us in the 90s. Congratulations.

00:44:36.960 Very beautiful. Thank you very, very much.

00:44:46.360 Okay. The production value is a little low on the decorating. But tell us, there was something

00:44:51.180 about him and his insecurity when it comes to his height in that clip.

00:44:54.440 Well, there was a couple of things about that. First of all, that is Adam Curry road hair when

00:44:59.220 no one was there to help me. You can tell it looks like crap. That was really important.

00:45:03.460 I got it. It's like, it's not the Michael Jackson interview hair day I was hoping for.

00:45:09.560 So MTV, as they, as most media works, had done a deal with Michael's record company. And the deal

00:45:16.640 was he had to perform on the Video Music Awards. And, and of course, he wanted the premiere of the

00:45:22.500 video, et cetera. And they came back and said, okay, that's fine. But then you have to give Michael

00:45:28.120 an award and it needs to be an award with his name on it. So the technical name is the Michael

00:45:32.680 Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year, which they kind of dropped, I think, once J-Lo got it.

00:45:40.060 And, and that had to be mentioned in every single segment. So anyway, a part of that was, okay,

00:45:45.420 we have to give this award. Tom Freston, the CEO, by the way, another lovely guy. I love Tom Freston.

00:45:52.540 We, you know, they're like, okay, you're going to fly out to LA and you got to do this award. And I'm

00:45:56.120 like, well, hold on a second. My, my child is about to be born. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not

00:46:00.000 leaving New York. This could happen any day now. And this became a problem because Michael had said,

00:46:04.940 no, I want Adam Curry to give it to me. Why? I don't know. But I was of course honored. I said,

00:46:09.940 but I love Michael, but no, no, because this is my first kid. I know what's going to happen.

00:46:14.760 MTV wound up flying my then, uh, mother-in-law in on Concord from Europe to just in case I wasn't going

00:46:21.900 to be there. Um, and then I whisked out to Los Angeles and it was really, it was in the MJJ

00:46:29.040 studios. It was a really interesting experience and come in, in the morning and there must've

00:46:34.340 been 30 kids there. And in the middle of these kids is Howie Mandel doing his whole Bobby world

00:46:40.280 voice in, in real time. And I don't know what that was about, but I was like, wow, this is kind of

00:46:45.400 cool. This is a great place for kids to hang out. There's the Bobby's world voice. Um, and then we

00:46:50.780 wait for, for, uh, Michael to come in and we're all set up. We got the crew, Tom Freston's ready.

00:46:56.000 Um, Mike comes in and he stands in between us, as you saw on that shot. And then all of a sudden

00:47:01.680 he calls, I think Bob was named his, his guy, big Bob comes over and, uh, and it's like a little

00:47:08.520 whispering going on, Bob, hold on a second, everybody. Bob comes back with an apple crate.

00:47:12.860 So Michael, who was not, I mean, I'm six, five. Um, certainly at the time I may have shrunk a bit.

00:47:18.080 Um, he's maybe six, six feet, six one, but he needed to have that height. Otherwise he didn't

00:47:24.320 feel comfortable. And then we had another stop because someone noticed that his pants weren't

00:47:29.100 shiny enough. So they had to windex them before we could continue. Um, but so he was standing on

00:47:33.500 an apple crate in that, in that exchange. So he could look like he was almost as tall as you.

00:47:38.120 There's video of it. You can actually see that he's standing on the apple crate. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

00:47:42.360 I miss him though. I miss him. What, what a guy. I know. I know he's like truly one of

00:47:48.260 the most, if not the most talented performer we've had in, in the world. It's certainly

00:47:54.660 in my lifetime. Um, you know, there's like only three whose names come to mind. I mean,

00:48:00.640 it's funny cause we just brushed past Tina and I just introduced Tina Turner's music to

00:48:05.240 my daughter in particular yesterday. We, we, somebody drove by us with the license plate

00:48:09.400 respect. And she was like, what's that? And I was like, Oh, it's from a song by Aretha

00:48:13.100 Franklin. And she's like, well, who's that? And I said, Oh, let me play you the song.

00:48:16.220 Let me, let's play some Aretha. So we did. And she loved it. She was rocking out. And

00:48:19.800 I was like, now speaking of great songs that you don't know about, let's talk about Tina

00:48:24.280 Turner, where I had just performed one of her numbers via karaoke over our holidays, our

00:48:29.100 Christmas holidays. I'm embarrassed to tell you why I attempted Proud Mary Adam.

00:48:32.200 Which one? Which one, Megan?

00:48:33.640 Proud Mary. I did some Proud Mary and, uh, I did not do her proud or myself, but I tried.

00:48:38.800 Right. And, um, there is nothing like you could listen to Tina's slow version. You could listen

00:48:46.220 to Tina and Ike do the slow and then the fast version of Proud Mary. You could listen to Angela

00:48:50.860 Bassett, uh, you know, mouthing the Tina Turner version. And you know, that performance that

00:48:55.120 she did in the movie about Tina Turner's life and all of that visually audio, all of it makes

00:49:00.680 you just want to get up, dance and celebrate her. And I was explaining to her and then later

00:49:05.440 my boys about how there's not that many artists in the world, especially in the music business,

00:49:09.520 where it's just down to one name. Um, she's absolutely one of them. There's, there's just no

00:49:15.600 other, there's Tina.

00:49:17.420 Have you seen the documentary that is currently out of, uh, Tina Turner's life?

00:49:22.500 Wait, there's a new one?

00:49:23.440 Oh, it may be old. Maybe I just hadn't seen it, but it's, it's kind of her farewell documentary.

00:49:29.300 Oh, right.

00:49:30.400 Last one.

00:49:31.040 I haven't seen it. No.

00:49:32.820 Oh, it's, it's well worth watching. Um, uh, I really adore Tina Turner. I had, uh, I had

00:49:39.280 a lunch with her when she was over in Europe at the time. And, uh, this was when she was

00:49:44.520 kind of, um, you know, she'd been, she's married to a German guy, record guy, X record

00:49:49.060 guy. Uh, she was in Europe a lot. In fact, that's where most of her career, she made a

00:49:53.420 lot of her, you know, her early days. They had to tour Europe with Ike, certainly. And,

00:49:58.420 um, she had this, it was the day of, you know, Mad Max beyond Thunderdome. And she kind of

00:50:05.500 had this, you know, she had a bit of that accent that she had going on, if you recall. But

00:50:09.340 then during this lunch, all of a sudden, Oh, hello, Annie Mae Bullock. And she was just

00:50:15.040 totally, you know, she kind of let, let it all down for a moment. There was really beautiful

00:50:19.080 to watch. She's very sweet lady. Very, very sweet.

00:50:21.180 Wow. I'm so jealous that you got to meet her. I can't believe she's 82 now. It's hard

00:50:25.040 to believe like Tina Turner. The greatest was like every clip we pulled up of her, that

00:50:29.340 incredible body, her legs, her ripped arms. Then you see Angela Bassett and it's like they

00:50:34.360 couldn't have found somebody better to play her. You know, she too had the ripped body

00:50:37.880 in the arms and captured her and the, the pizzazz just makes you, it makes me want to live my

00:50:43.020 next life as Tina Turner's backup dancer and do it. Shake my tail feathers, baby.

00:50:52.600 Okay. So let's get back to something newsy just for a second. Cause it's kind of fun

00:50:55.800 interweaving. Um, Rand Paul is, is pommeling Dr. Fauci. It just ended on Capitol Hill. When

00:51:03.280 these two go at it, ratings fly on cable news. Um, I'm going to start with my own bias on this.

00:51:10.480 I truly believe Dr. Fauci should sit there and say, I understand. I understand. You know,

00:51:16.940 he can defend himself mildly, but to attack Rand Paul undermines faith in the apolitical nature

00:51:25.300 of his office, right? We're supposed to all be on team Fauci. We're not, but his own partisanship

00:51:33.200 and that of his CDC director as well, the CDC director undermines even further, uh, our faith

00:51:39.560 and our public health officials. So here, uh, I'm going to show you one of the sound bites.

00:51:42.640 They're arguing over everything. This is basically a, uh, hearing on top health experts testify regarding

00:51:47.980 federal response to COVID variants. So they've pulled him on, uh, in front of the Senate to talk

00:51:52.560 about what we're doing. And, um, this is an exchange in which this is soundbite to Dr. Fauci is accusing

00:51:59.140 Rand Paul of distorting the truth and a back and forth that follows watch. We are here at a committee

00:52:06.900 to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people. And the purpose of the committee

00:52:14.920 was to try and get things out, how we can help to get the American public. And you keep coming back

00:52:22.000 to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality.

00:52:27.760 Do you think anybody has had more influence over this than you have? Do you think it's a great

00:52:32.340 success? Do you think it's a great success? What's happened so far? Do you think lockdowns are good

00:52:37.220 for our kids? Do you think we slowed down the death rate? More people have died now under President

00:52:41.500 Biden than did under President Trump. You are the one responsible. You are the architect. You are the

00:52:46.180 lead architect for the response from the government. And now 800,000 people have died.

00:52:50.900 Right. Do you think it's a winning success? What you've advocated for government?

00:52:57.660 Fauci then went after Rand Paul and suggested that he's been getting death threats because of

00:53:03.620 irresponsible rhetoric and saying that Rand Paul has been fundraising off of his attacks on Fauci

00:53:10.740 and did this sort of long song and dance about how Rand is doing that. Rand went back at him and so on

00:53:17.420 and so forth. So what do you make of the dynamic? And I don't just have Fauci. And we could show you

00:53:23.760 some other clips to where he just gets aggressive against Rand Paul, who's been aggressive against

00:53:27.720 him. I admit, just don't know if it's appropriate in response.

00:53:32.140 Well, this is like an MMA fight. This is a this is a cage match and it's an ongoing one doesn't end

00:53:37.980 with one match. And first, I just need to address when both gentlemen are talking about 900,000 people

00:53:45.360 have died from this. That's just patently false. And then those numbers, we all know that people have

00:53:52.840 died and they had COVID, but they didn't die from COVID. So that's just now that's just now been put.

00:53:58.920 Even Rand Paul is doing it. Well, it's 800,000. No, gentlemen, neither. People who really died from

00:54:04.580 COVID is much, much lower. But OK, that's that's where we're at now with the political discourse.

00:54:10.220 What's going on here, in my opinion, is Rand Paul has the goods on Dr. Fauci. The goods are

00:54:16.560 with new information just coming out today. Fauci lied. The gain of research did happen. It was

00:54:22.820 subcontracted through Peter Daszak's company. What's new is that this has a DARPA element,

00:54:28.680 Defense Advanced Research Project Agency. It looks a lot like this is a bioweapon that

00:54:34.440 was engineered. You can't do it in America. So they did it in China. They did it with with Chinese

00:54:40.360 scientists, maybe with CCP. What intent is unknown, but it's a very dangerous practice. And

00:54:47.500 and everyone's trying to cover up for this. And Fauci knows what's going on. And Rand Paul knows as well.

00:54:56.800 And Fauci knows that Rand Paul knows. And this is just a big theater show to to get public opinion

00:55:05.280 swayed one way or the next, because the information is coming out and it will be quite damning. And I

00:55:10.920 think that's that's all you're seeing. So, yeah, you can throw it all's fair at this point. Throw it all

00:55:15.640 in there. Every I watch C-SPAN religiously. All of these settings, most of the questions are known

00:55:23.400 beforehand. It's it's it's it's theater. Well, let me just say this. The information you just

00:55:28.920 cited is from Project Veritas. It has not yet been confirmed. I love James O'Keefe, but he does make

00:55:33.700 some factual mistakes from time to time. He also gets a lot of things right. So just want to underscore

00:55:37.500 for the audience. We have not confirmed that. But it is confirmed at a minimum, at a minimum,

00:55:42.900 that what many scientists describe as gain of function research was absolutely not only being done in

00:55:49.400 that lab, but was being funded by us. Fauci wiggles out based on the technical definition of of gain

00:55:55.240 of function. That's how his that's how he attempts to wiggle out from having funded it. We clearly gave

00:56:01.260 money to a group run by Peter Daszak that was doing something that the average scientist would call gain

00:56:05.640 of function. Fauci disputes it. And moreover, at a minimum, as Josh Rogan of The Washington Post has

00:56:11.100 been pointing out, there's no chance Fauci can dispute the fact that we were funding research in a lab

00:56:16.360 where the CCP was present, where there was a secret part of the lab, where there was a woman they called

00:56:20.920 Bat Lady who did bat coronavirus research, including gain of function research. And we were looking we

00:56:27.140 weren't looking closely enough at a minimum, at a minimum, best case scenario for us. We weren't

00:56:31.560 supervising her or them or where our money was going. And now we have a virus that a lot of smart

00:56:37.900 people say came from that lab. And those are the facts that we all have to deal with. So that that

00:56:43.000 that's what's real. And Fauci can get mad at Rand Paul and he can get mad at the press. But the truth

00:56:49.780 is, he hasn't been totally forthcoming about his role in any of it. And people are angry because we

00:56:55.940 have a press that looks the other way at him. They don't seem very interested in finding out exactly how

00:57:00.540 this thing originated, whether we funded any piece of it or helped it in any way, what Peter Daszak was

00:57:06.520 doing with our money. And Fauci just sits back there acting indignant. Well, the press is in on

00:57:15.640 it. In general, the media is captured. It's it's all a part of the same system. I don't I don't see

00:57:21.480 any change. This is just more more for the game. You know, we throw this into social media. Everyone

00:57:26.700 can get all outraged. Meanwhile, while this is happening, we're on the brink of a Cuban missile

00:57:31.860 crisis situation with Russia. I think intentionally I think we're doing it on purpose and no one's

00:57:37.480 looking at what's really happening, which I think would even behoove our leaders to get people to be

00:57:44.360 afraid of that, because that is truly terrifying. It is actually disturbing what happened in Kazakhstan.

00:57:50.800 And I realize the average person out there is like where? Because the news not reporting on it.

00:57:56.040 That's why I know the average person doesn't know. Don't you think most Americans, they only have so

00:58:00.920 much bandwidth for problems in their lives. And it's like, you know, like they're having to deal

00:58:04.760 with the masks and the vaccines and the work shortages and the supply chain and the inflation

00:58:08.580 and their, you know, the job, all that. And it's like, cause it who? What? What's happening again?

00:58:14.280 But it is important. I actually do want to get to that. Let me let me squeeze in a couple more

00:58:18.320 points on COVID and then we'll turn to that because Putin is up to no good. And now he's getting help

00:58:22.460 from countries that were formerly part of the Soviet bloc. And and Putin would like it to be a

00:58:27.420 Soviet bloc again. And what are we doing about it? And are we too weak to actually stand up to him?

00:58:32.100 So that's where I'll take it with you. But before we get to that, one other thing, you know, Fauci was

00:58:38.260 outed thanks to a FOIA request as going after he and Francis Collins, head of the NIH going after

00:58:47.640 guys. Yeah, the great Barrington doctors, really smart, thoughtful, earnest doctors from Harvard,

00:58:56.240 Stanford, Stanford and Oxford, who just all they said was, how about focus protection instead of

00:59:00.900 lockdowns? How about we focus on the most vulnerable and the elderly? And we think about it that way

00:59:05.020 instead of, you know, vaccinate, mandating vaccines for children and closing businesses that shouldn't

00:59:12.120 close and so on. Well, they were totally villainized on camera, yes, but also behind the scenes by design

00:59:17.520 by Fauci and Collins. And that came up today with Rand Paul. Here's soundbite one.

00:59:22.900 A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies in his mind using

00:59:29.640 government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with

00:59:35.360 him. In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email,

00:59:41.680 to create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists

00:59:47.180 from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford. Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard,

00:59:54.860 Oxford and Stanford. Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack

01:00:01.620 scientists that disagree with you? In usual fashion, Senator, you are distorting everything

01:00:07.720 about me. Did you ever object to Dr. Collins's characterization of them as fringe? Did you write

01:00:12.820 back to Dr. Collins say, no, they're not fringe? They're esteemed scientists. And it would be

01:00:16.320 beneath me. I did not do that. You responded to him that you would do it. And you immediately got

01:00:21.500 an article in Wired and you sent it back to him and said, hey, look, I've got them. I nailed them

01:00:25.580 in Wired of all scientific publications. That's not what went on. There you go again. You just do the

01:00:30.600 same thing every year. That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your desire to take

01:00:36.560 down people. You're absolutely incorrect. As usual, Senator, you are incorrect. Almost everything

01:00:41.340 you've said. Well, no, it's not. It's not incorrect because it's documented black and white. We know it

01:00:46.800 from Fauci's own emails back and forth with Collins. Yeah. Well, I don't like Dr. Fauci and I haven't

01:00:55.160 liked him since the 80s and 90s. I hold him, Deborah Birx, Lieutenant Commander, whatever her rank is,

01:01:01.380 Deborah Birx, Redfield, CDC. I hold them personally responsible for the death of several

01:01:06.540 of my friends and acquaintances during the AIDS crisis. Go read the Village Voice

01:01:12.040 front page op-ed of how angry the gay community was at Fauci and withholding treatments. It's all

01:01:21.460 the same stuff. And then just ignoring any other alternative form, vilifying and just plain out

01:01:31.000 lying. It's well documented. These guys have been doing this forever and it's always the same

01:01:36.440 answer. Vaccines, because you can make much more money treating people before they're sick.

01:01:42.740 Get this, though. Get this, because now they've had to admit, Rochelle Walensky did admit,

01:01:48.400 the vaccines don't stop the spread of COVID now. I mean, OK, welcome to the party. We've known that,

01:01:54.660 but she actually said it on camera. And now the Washington Post is reporting that the CDC is

01:02:02.280 considering updating its mask guidance, and it will likely, will likely advise people to opt for the

01:02:11.760 highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by health care personnel if they can do so consistently,

01:02:20.520 citing an official close to the deliberations. CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can,

01:02:25.320 quote, tolerate wearing a KN95 or an N95 mask all day, you should. Now, the sad thing about that,

01:02:33.840 I hear, OK, wiggle room. Great. I won't be doing that. The sad thing about it is, as the mother of

01:02:39.220 three children, you've got schools who are going to take that and say, N95s on your kids all day,

01:02:44.880 N95s all day long. Our kids are barely making it through with the crappy cloth masks.

01:02:49.680 And more and more, we're seeing a push now for N95s as the only masks that count for grownups and

01:02:56.680 children alike. I'm not doing that. I am not doing that. Well, then you will be seen as other because

01:03:03.720 that's the entire point. First of all, these N95s for children is just anyone, you know, you have those

01:03:10.760 blood oxygen level meters you can hook up to your smartphone. Get one of those and then wear that N95

01:03:17.760 and, you know, run for five minutes and then see what your blood load, your blood oxygen level is

01:03:22.440 like. It's pretty shocking. But this is just I'm a believer in the discredited theory by Reuters and

01:03:33.100 Associated Press of mass formation. And this is a perfect thing. Another solution that is being handed

01:03:40.840 to the people who are in a state of hypnosis, daze, confusion, extreme, extreme focus. It's clearly

01:03:49.400 just another focal point that everybody gets. And I was like, OK, it's got to be N95. Where are the

01:03:55.560 N95s? We're going to have a severe shortage of N95 masks. This is coming. It's all going to be there

01:04:01.120 freaking out. It can't leave. Don't have the N95. Oh, you're not wearing the N95. Stay away from me.

01:04:05.560 This is incredibly destructive for society. And I think people, you know, you saw the hashtag CDC

01:04:12.180 says people are giving up on them. They know it's it's bullcrap. So they're losing control of the

01:04:18.220 narrative. And I think these are desperate moves to do anything they can to to try and keep people

01:04:23.860 in the state of of obedience. People are going to start. OK, so I can't I can't go see a Knicks game

01:04:30.500 if I unless I have an N95 mask in my face. All right, I'll wear it. And then you like they're going to

01:04:34.680 poke a bunch of little holes in it. Like there's going to be people will find a way around all of

01:04:40.820 this nonsense because there are things that we need to do that they're telling us we can't do

01:04:45.500 unless we keep the damn masks on our face or we get vaccinated. And there's going to have to be

01:04:51.100 end arounds because the vaccines don't stop the spread of covid. And I don't think Americans have

01:04:55.280 any more time with the masks on their face left in them. We're two years into this and they're

01:05:01.620 talking about ramping them up instead of down. And and I don't think people will stand for it.

01:05:08.700 But, you know, it's going to be interesting. It's just divisive no matter no matter which way

01:05:13.240 you look at it. And and it's questionable as if that's going to help. And what happened to herd

01:05:18.060 immunity? Isn't this the one isn't like, OK, it's kind of we're all kind of given up. We're all

01:05:22.900 going to get it. Vax or unvaccine, you know, most people will be OK. Isn't that the whole point?

01:05:28.300 It's even been analyzed and seen as having similar characteristics to an attenuated vaccine.

01:05:34.980 I mean, this is this is the one if you believe in the whole story of it, then this is the one

01:05:39.560 that that you want to get to to have your immunity and to be done with it, which is also

01:05:44.740 so-called natural immunity. It's not recognized. It's the science is all over the place.

01:05:50.400 We need to stand up. I'm against the idea of poking holes in the mask just to, you know,

01:05:55.200 to get around it. Now, at a certain point, people have to stand up and say, no, we're

01:06:00.820 just no, just not going to do it. And I mean, we have the same Delta and Omicron here that

01:06:06.660 we have in Australia and New Zealand. I presume I haven't heard otherwise. Look at the state

01:06:11.360 of where those people are in some of the states in Australia that and we just say, oh, that's

01:06:15.840 crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's happening. It's the same. It's the same virus.

01:06:21.040 This is a different country. People are locked down. They can't work if they don't have if

01:06:25.440 they're not vaccinated. I mean, this is not just America that we're talking about. This

01:06:29.200 is a global scale. So speaking of which, back in your home country, well, this is your

01:06:34.480 home country, but you grew up there. The Dutch now are resorting to smashing cars to vent

01:06:42.060 their frustration at the never ending lockdowns. We actually have, I think, the soundbite number

01:06:48.000 eight. Let's watch it. Twin brothers, Stephen and Brian Krieger are smashing up cars to let

01:06:55.180 off steam. They are customers at Car Smash, a Dutch project near Amsterdam in the Netherlands.

01:07:03.940 It aims to provide people in lockdown with ways of releasing their anger and frustration

01:07:08.160 at the COVID epidemic.

01:07:12.120 There's nothing to do these days because everything's closed. We can't work because we own a bar and

01:07:17.260 we're closed. So we thought we'd let some of that frustration go and smudge my car.

01:07:23.900 So it's not like out in the street illegal. It's legal and they've found an outlet for their

01:07:31.540 anger.

01:07:32.500 Well, my daughter lives in Rotterdam and she's 31. And so I speak to her regularly. You have

01:07:40.160 to understand that this is the propaganda that is meant to get out and show how cute it all

01:07:44.780 is. It's a disastrous situation. These young people have been locked in their houses. You

01:07:51.060 can't be on the street with more than two people. Can't go outside. They're still in a curfew

01:07:55.460 situation, 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. They were really promised to just get the vaccine. They even had

01:08:01.860 jingles and slogans. You know, get the vaccine. You'll be able to go out dancing again. It rhymes

01:08:07.140 in Dutch. And and they've been lied to. And now people are going out. And the video that

01:08:13.000 you're not seeing on the news is of families going to museum plane, the museum square to

01:08:19.360 say, hey, we're not happy with this. And the cops letting dogs loose. They're shooting

01:08:24.520 people. They're beating old people with sticks, beating them over the head. It's just insane.

01:08:31.240 They've got undercover cops going in and then starting up crap and beating people again.

01:08:36.200 Go. That's what you want to see. That's what we need to air. This is this is pure propaganda.

01:08:41.260 Just oh, it's so cute. No, it's a real problem. My daughter knows more people who have committed

01:08:46.360 suicide in her age group than have died from anything. Vaxed or unvaxed.

01:08:51.360 Oh, my God. This is a manipulation. I didn't actually did not realize that my team just gave

01:08:54.980 it to me as something that was OK. It's OK. I'll check your team later.

01:08:58.420 No, but I see your I see your I see your point. Exactly. So wait, you do you have a 31 year

01:09:04.140 old. She's a model, a daughter living, living in the Netherlands right now.

01:09:08.200 She's a daughter first. She's an entrepreneur, has done lots of stuff in show business. She

01:09:12.780 has show business parents. So, you know, she's doing music. She's you know, when times get

01:09:18.160 tough, then she she actually stops. She can't do it anymore for her own conscience. She was

01:09:22.920 doing fact checking for for Google and Facebook, which is hilarious. She can't tell me

01:09:28.300 about it. And I can't tell you because, you know, confidentiality. But it's hilarious

01:09:32.320 to see who's fact checking everybody these days. But she's she's hanging in there. She's

01:09:37.240 a great a great boyfriend and they're doing OK. But I can't even fly them over here. You

01:09:42.900 know, he can't enter the United States as a non-citizen, non-immigrant without being fully

01:09:48.220 vaccinated and boosted. Thank you, President Biden.

01:09:51.340 Yeah. No, he has to sneak across the southern border. And that's really the only way.

01:09:55.400 Sadly, sadly, it's a joke, but it's an easier way to get in.

01:09:59.440 Mm hmm. No, it's exactly right. I mean, he had a window to fly out of Afghanistan

01:10:03.300 without being vaccinated. Nobody would have asked questions. But that's that's gone now. We're no

01:10:07.400 longer helping people there. So it's really just down to Mexico. Tell him good luck. I am

01:10:12.160 disturbed by that report. I mean, we've seen it in Australia. I did not realize in Amsterdam

01:10:16.340 it's quite that bad. And the question is whether it's going to get that bad here with restrictions

01:10:21.720 that are perhaps less severe than, you know, a 12 hour curfew and not leaving your house

01:10:27.580 after 5 p.m. and so on. Just because I think the American spirit is free. It's freedoms in

01:10:32.820 our blood. I mean, it's the reason our country was founded. And to me, it's been shocking that

01:10:36.980 we've been and we've been as compliant as we have. And I do think it's a positive sign that

01:10:43.000 even some of these liberals now have had it because they realize they're going to get

01:10:45.900 it. Omicron's coming for all of us and they need to calm down because you can't we can't

01:10:50.840 go on like this. All right. I'm going to pause it there. I'm going to pay a bill. And then

01:10:54.960 I do want to talk about what's happening with Vladimir Putin and why he's doing this now.

01:11:02.020 What what about Joe Biden? Are we actually going to stand up to him? Don't bet on it.

01:11:06.820 So before we get to more serious matters, I got to ask you about a couple of lighter fare items,

01:11:16.360 including I'm dying, dying to see the Janet Jackson documentary. They released the long

01:11:24.540 trailer. And I got to say, like, oh, whatever. I don't really care about celebrity. Oh, my God,

01:11:28.300 I can't wait to see it. That was my experience. We for people who haven't seen the promo,

01:11:33.360 it's long. We could we siphoned it down. But here's just a little snippet.

01:11:37.380 My father was very strict. He was in charge of my life, my career. My father said, you're going to

01:11:45.120 sing. I think I have to start being independent. The most important thing was for her to take that

01:11:55.740 stage and own it. It's just a sight that no one has ever seen me. Oh, my goodness.

01:12:06.300 Oh, look at this. This is me. Seeing Janet as a mother warms my heart.

01:12:14.020 Who are you closest to in the family? Randy.

01:12:16.640 And Mike. Mother, how do you feel talking about Mike? I can't.

01:12:27.980 Did the allegations affect you career-wise? Yeah. Guilty by association. I guess that's

01:12:35.420 what they call it, right? They build you up. And then once you get there, they're so quick

01:12:44.640 to tear you down. Oh, I'm Jack. I'm dying to see that. You know, all these folks. I mean,

01:12:52.160 you know, what do you make of it? We've talked a little bit the last time about our feelings on

01:12:55.720 Michael Jackson, the allegations against him. What do you make of the fact that Janet's now

01:12:59.320 apparently going to speak to it, going to ask the mother about it and is going to sort of take

01:13:02.640 control and try to tell her version of her life story? Yeah, I wouldn't get too excited about any

01:13:09.460 great revelations from this obvious promotional piece that is being put out. I guess she has

01:13:14.860 something, a record coming out. This to me, I know, just looking at that footage, I recognize a lot

01:13:21.780 of it. I know who licenses it. There's a lot of documentaries. I'm even showing up with MTV bits

01:13:28.120 and stuff from the old days that I know who owns that footage. The streaming companies are out of

01:13:34.440 ideas, Megan. They got nothing better to do than put together documentary after documentary that is

01:13:39.980 involved in some kind of promotion for another entertainment product. I'm not as excited as you

01:13:45.620 that anything great will come out of it. I like Janet Jackson, bigger fan of Latoya. I thought she was

01:13:50.700 more real and certainly funnier. She's like a real trip. So yeah, I'm not all that jazzed. I don't want

01:14:00.900 to be disappointed. And I, I like, honestly, I see that very separate from Michael.

01:14:06.680 Okay. Big buzzkill. Thank you for that.

01:14:09.200 Sorry. I'm sorry. No love test on that.

01:14:11.820 Dose of reality is always welcome.

01:14:13.500 It's about to get worse on Kazakhstan.

01:14:15.660 Two hours that I, that I didn't have. You just saved me. And before we get to that,

01:14:19.680 though, I want to pick up on something you said about the streaming companies out of ideas.

01:14:23.160 My pal, Barry Weiss, forwarded me her sub stack from today and it's just hitting now,

01:14:28.220 but it's got a long piece by two writers in Hollywood lamenting the wokeification of Hollywood

01:14:33.720 and how you cannot get hired if you're a white man, forget it. And how now something like 40 to

01:14:40.800 50% of films and all sorts of projects made by certain companies are going to have to be made

01:14:48.560 by quote unquote BIPOC, you know, black, indigenous people of color. If you don't fall within one of

01:14:55.120 those, you cannot get hired. And the headline of the piece was, this is all going to end in a

01:14:59.340 massive class action. And, uh, right, because it's still illegal to discriminate based on race

01:15:04.340 in this country. Even if the person you're discriminating against is white. And, um, they

01:15:09.320 talk about how, what's going to happen now. We've already seen it is basically every film gets the

01:15:13.700 creativity squeezed out of it. And it's all about some woke, sad story, some sob story. Bill Maher was

01:15:18.420 lamenting it not long ago. And what, how large is the commercial audience for that? And, and what

01:15:24.640 will, what, when, if any time will the young people rebel against it saying, this is not, this does not

01:15:31.480 reflect the world in which we live. This reflects some weird far left 10% woke liberal world. And we

01:15:38.320 reject the product. Well, uh, I think the rejection is already taking place. We're seeing that, um,

01:15:43.980 manifest itself in award shows. Um, the celebrities are no longer the influences of the world and they

01:15:49.940 have no influence and no one seems to care looking at the ratings. It's so bad that the

01:15:54.360 Hollywood foreign, you know, we have too many award shows to the Hollywood foreign press.

01:15:58.260 They had to go. So whatever scandal, we're not even going to air that, but really follow the money.

01:16:04.580 I mean, uh, the streaming companies, and let's just talk specifically about Netflix just to make it

01:16:08.940 easy. That's a Ponzi scheme. You know, Netflix will spend, I think $60 billion

01:16:13.600 on content this year, this coming year, Amazon studios will spend $30 billion on content.

01:16:21.240 They're never going to make that money back. It's just, you continuously, and look at Netflix,

01:16:25.360 they continuously raise money and, you know, then they've got a hit and then the stock goes up and

01:16:30.340 everybody's winning, but they can never, in my opinion, really repay all the billions,

01:16:35.760 hundreds of billions of dollars that I think they, they, they, uh, they now have on their balance sheet.

01:16:40.160 Right. So you just have to keep going, but you know, you can only do so much. So to let the steam

01:16:44.840 off, well, we just got to create some stuff. We have to have more than just the latest, you know,

01:16:50.320 um, Hollywood based, uh, you know, like don't look up, which is a good example. There's a typical

01:16:56.520 example of the investors in the Ponzi scheme, the investors in, in many of the streaming companies,

01:17:02.480 certainly not all, um, demanding that, that their money get used for environmental social governance,

01:17:09.800 which is the only investable companies these days. Thank you. The think, uh, at BlackRock that,

01:17:16.900 so you can't get money. You can't raise money without strings attached. And those strings sadly are,

01:17:22.620 um, are, are, are tied to, uh, woke wokeness, uh, and climate change. That seems to be the main

01:17:30.360 two things. And that's a clear mission and narrative, uh, from, from much bigger, uh,

01:17:37.160 much bigger, uh, groups or, or higher up groups than we're talking about Hollywood themselves. So,

01:17:43.140 um, that's, that's why it's happening. And whether people accept it, yeah, then stop paying for

01:17:49.460 Netflix. I mean, this is the, this is the great thing. And America has been pretty good about that

01:17:53.380 historically. Like just leave chase. I left chase. I'm now at a, at a, a community bank in Texas,

01:17:59.120 leave, leave these dumb companies. You don't need them. You can wear other nice sneakers. You

01:18:03.920 know, it was like, we just have to get over ourselves at a certain point. Yeah. Uh, the

01:18:08.520 fascinating story of the downfall of the globes is worth your time. I listened to a long podcast

01:18:12.960 on it the other day about how corrupt they were and how you could basically buy a golden globe.

01:18:16.260 So it really wasn't worth much to begin with, which I didn't know. And then went through how,

01:18:20.740 you know, they tried to wokeify the Hollywood foreign press and they hired 40% BIPOC and there's 29%,

01:18:26.860 but then more women and so on. And it still wasn't good enough. Now they want at least 50,

01:18:30.980 but it's like, there's no, there's no woke that's going to satisfy the woke. And I don't know whether

01:18:34.840 the golden globes will ever come back, nor do I care even a little. Um, I do think everybody should

01:18:39.300 pay attention though, to what's happening. I realized Kazakhstan is like where, listen,

01:18:43.380 what's happening is Putin is flexing his muscle over these countries that used to be part of the

01:18:48.360 Soviet union. And he would like to recreate the Soviet bloc again. And what happened in Kazakhstan

01:18:53.940 was we had protesters in the streets because of these high energy prices and more authoritarian rule.

01:19:01.380 And the people took to the streets to protest it. That was what we were told. And 146 of them were

01:19:08.180 killed, were shot, um, by their leaders, including a four-year-old girl. And they managed to make this

01:19:15.840 happen by calling in their pal, the big muscle Putin, who sent troops and backed up the leader there.

01:19:22.940 And is now more in control of Kazakhstan than ever before. A region that we've been looking at,

01:19:30.740 that the Chinese have been looking at, that we certainly don't want to see folded back into

01:19:34.440 the Soviet bloc type situation. And we are weaker than ever to do anything about it. Why do you,

01:19:42.660 why are you watching it? And why, what do you think people should know about it?

01:19:45.580 Um, well, I could not disagree with what you just said anymore. That is the narrative that we are

01:19:51.460 told to believe. And the reason I'm watching it is when you have 80 year olds and I'm not ageist,

01:19:57.680 but when you have 80 year olds, he said saying, but, uh, running the government and the show,

01:20:03.340 you're going to get the baggage of 80 year olds. And most of the people, uh, who are running the show,

01:20:09.140 right up to the president. Um, they have a real hard on for, uh, Russia and it stems from the

01:20:16.060 sixties and from JFK and the Cuban missile crisis. And just briefly, the Cuban missile crisis was in

01:20:23.400 our history books as well. Russia put a nuclear weapons aimed at America and Cuba. We had to stop

01:20:28.420 that. We almost all died. What they forget to say is that the U S had put missiles in Turkey,

01:20:33.980 which was only just, you know, six or seven minutes away from Moscow. We are now in exactly

01:20:38.960 the same situation. We've put missiles in Turkey. Russia didn't like that. Um, the, uh, uh, Russia

01:20:49.060 says Putin says, I don't want you encroaching on us. You can't put missiles in, um, uh, in Ukraine

01:20:55.460 and Ukraine. I don't know if you followed that at the time. That was in my opinion, a, uh,

01:21:02.160 government takeover and overthrow. I mean, this is where Hunter Biden comes in. This is where

01:21:06.580 Victoria Newtland comes in. We were there the exact same scenario. All of a sudden outrage

01:21:12.000 overnight. We call it a color revolution. We had the Maidan where security forces were shooting at

01:21:16.980 citizens. In fact, as many security forces were killed by other rogue actors. I believe what is

01:21:23.040 happening here is that the distraction was, Oh my God, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Don't do

01:21:29.020 that. Russia where Russia, in my opinion, was just there to make sure the U S didn't put any missiles

01:21:33.960 in Ukraine. And then we started the crap over in Kazakhstan, clear on the other side of Russia. If

01:21:40.320 you look at the map as the largest border with Russia and China, and this is very strategic

01:21:46.440 because we have now disrupted a key part of the Chinese belt and road strategy, which would extend

01:21:52.720 a railroad through from China into Russia, into Europe. This is politics at a grand, grand scale.

01:21:58.840 And I believe the U S tried to kick off a revolution under the guise of, Oh yeah, uh, liquid

01:22:05.120 petroleum gas rose, uh, doubled overnight. I think this, there's someone inside this administration

01:22:12.220 who is playing very dangerous games and it's a mirror. It is a mirror of, uh, the Cuban missile

01:22:18.040 crisis. And what you just, how you introduced it is indeed what we're told to believe. And I

01:22:23.200 fundamentally disagree with it.

01:22:24.680 Well, I don't, I don't rule out that the United States fomented those protests. I mean, we, we

01:22:30.000 have done that historically in the past, uh, or some force did. Uh, but I don't think it changes the

01:22:35.740 fact that Putin has strategic interests in taking over in that region. And it's, and it's not just

01:22:43.020 Kazakhstan and senses weakness at the head of the United States government. And I think we'll become

01:22:48.680 already a partner. Kazakhstan is a partner. All of their space, uh, all of their launches happen

01:22:54.220 in Kazakhstan. Uh, you know, Kazakhstan is, is, is very important to Russia. It's not, I don't think

01:22:59.160 it's really a takeover, um, quite the opposite. What's going, not yet, but why, why would he take

01:23:07.220 it over? He has no, no benefit to that.

01:23:09.680 He's looking to expand his interests and control, uh, in what is the former Soviet bloc. Yes,

01:23:16.700 he is. He absolutely is Adam. That, that is a fact.

01:23:19.720 I so disagree with that. He wants, he wants to protect his warm water port, uh, in Crimea.

01:23:26.000 I understand that part. Global politics is a lot of different things at play and I can't step

01:23:31.320 easily over the, maybe we had something to do with, who are we? Who are we? This is the stuff

01:23:37.260 that people are waking up to. We do this stuff a lot and it's not healthy for the world. Uh,

01:23:43.180 and to continuously just say, Oh, it's just Putin is just that guy. I am very skeptical about that

01:23:48.440 opinion. Well, but that's not what I said. Okay. You said Putin wants to expand and therefore we are,

01:23:56.940 I said, we may have had, we may have had a hand in stirring up the protests. I mean,

01:24:02.120 we have done that in the past. That's well known, but to deny that Putin has strategic

01:24:07.240 interests in the region and is acting on them, I think is, I don't, I don't play defense for

01:24:12.760 Putin. I mean, I've interviewed the man three times. I understand how he operates. Um, but

01:24:17.100 we have to be realistic about what his interests are and what his goals are. And, and the fall of

01:24:23.040 the Soviet union was one of the worst things that ever happened in his eyes. Well, uh, you know him,

01:24:30.420 I don't know him personally. I, I just don't see the, I, what I see is a strengthening between Russia

01:24:37.580 and China. And when we are definitely responsible for that with our attitude, none of this seems like

01:24:43.820 a very friendly way to go about things. And it is important to know what happened in Kazakhstan,

01:24:48.720 because you are suggesting at least that Putin wants to expand. It would behoove his interest to do

01:24:56.980 that. There's just not really any evidence that he needed to do that or that, or that has happened.

01:25:01.920 You know, the government has not been replaced. Uh, it's, there's something still intact. So,

01:25:07.180 well, the government called him and asked him for help, but there are some who doubt even that.

01:25:11.720 How is that? How is, how is that him expanding? Let me finish. Um, there are some who doubt even

01:25:17.780 that, who suggest that was not a willing phone call, that that was Putin basically making sure he got

01:25:24.300 the call exercising his muscle to make sure that the relationship is tighter than ever and that

01:25:29.000 his influence in Kazakhstan is greater than ever and that they're more dependent on Russia than ever

01:25:32.520 before in the past 30 years. Uh, I can only call it as I see it. I just fundamentally disagree that

01:25:40.600 this was a Putin move. This was some other influence and, uh, and I suspect, uh, the current

01:25:46.980 state department being, having a heavy hand in it. Uh, there's all kinds of shenanigans going on and

01:25:52.160 keep your eye on Victoria Nuland. Uh, when she pops up, then you'll know really what's going on.

01:25:57.740 Mm-hmm. Um, all right, listen, I have to end it there cause we're out of time, but I love it. I

01:26:02.920 think we've covered the gamut. We went, we did, we did headbangers. We did Ozzie. We did Michael.

01:26:09.000 We did Rand and Fauci and we ended on Putin. I mean, that's a show, man. That is why they call you

01:26:14.640 the pod father. One of the many reasons. Great to have you, Adam. Thank you, Megan. And I really

01:26:19.600 appreciate what you're doing with podcasting. It's highly appreciated. Oh, thank you. I hope

01:26:23.580 we talk again tomorrow. We are going to take a deep dive into climate change, a fair and balanced

01:26:29.020 debate. You will get nowhere else. See you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:26:35.160 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 11, 2022

Adam Curry on Coordinated COVID Attacks, Following the Money, and Michael and Janet Jackson ｜ Ep. 238

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