The Megyn Kelly Show - Alec Baldwin Charged, COVID Death Overcounting, and NHL Rainbow Jersey Uproar, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts ｜ Ep. 475

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00:00:31.180 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.

00:00:46.360 Big news on all fronts today.

00:00:48.220 The Wall Street Journal now reporting that the DOJ considered and then rejected

00:00:53.140 having a role in the Biden document search

00:00:56.420 deciding instead to just pawn it off

00:00:58.960 on Biden's personal attorneys who don't have security clearances.

00:01:02.580 What could go wrong?

00:01:03.760 That's fine, right?

00:01:04.560 I'm sure they did it for you.

00:01:06.040 Just let you and your personal lawyer

00:01:07.380 call through your allegedly top secret documents without any security clearance.

00:01:12.300 And yeah, no problem if it goes south

00:01:14.540 and you find like, I don't know, the nuclear codes.

00:01:17.260 It's not Biden again.

00:01:18.500 It's his uncleared attorneys doing this search.

00:01:22.160 Why?

00:01:22.720 Why did they do that?

00:01:24.160 Right?

00:01:24.400 Did they do that for Trump?

00:01:26.540 This is CNN declares.

00:01:28.100 The controversy is nothing more than classified spillage.

00:01:32.040 Now it's been downgraded from a national security scare in the Trump case

00:01:35.900 to classified spillage in the Biden case.

00:01:38.100 Plus, big news out of New Mexico as the prosecutors there announcing actor Alec Baldwin is going

00:01:45.840 to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with the fatal shooting of this

00:01:51.600 cinematographer on the set of the movie Rust in 2021.

00:01:55.360 That's big.

00:01:56.360 Joining me now, John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known as Comfortably

00:02:00.780 Smug.

00:02:01.920 Together, they are the hosts of the Ruthless podcast.

00:02:05.720 What a day.

00:02:07.060 We got a lot to get through.

00:02:08.160 Can you believe he's getting charged, guys?

00:02:10.920 Amazing.

00:02:11.640 I mean, I don't know exactly what all goes into that, but what a tragic situation.

00:02:16.020 I can't believe I almost forgot it happened.

00:02:17.800 It was so long ago.

00:02:18.800 But yeah, I guess they're processing it now.

00:02:22.000 Yeah.

00:02:22.160 Well, I mean, the thing is, and we'll get into this with a lawyer tomorrow and sort of go

00:02:26.760 through it legally, but I'm a lawyer, so I've got some thoughts on it, too.

00:02:31.380 There's there's a couple of things going on here.

00:02:33.240 We'll see how it plays out.

00:02:34.600 My initial instinct is there's not a high likelihood of success on the criminal charge.

00:02:38.980 I really don't think there is.

00:02:40.200 I'm not a huge fan of Alec Baldwin's, but just as a lawyer, I don't see this playing all

00:02:44.520 that well with a with a jury.

00:02:46.160 However, I could be wrong.

00:02:48.700 I do think, however, that people will celebrate this to some extent because, A, he's loathed

00:02:55.600 by people on the right because he's been such a pit bull against all of them, especially

00:03:00.080 Trump.

00:03:01.120 And B, he's been so, to steal a term, smug about this whole thing since it happened,

00:03:07.580 right?

00:03:07.820 With all his multi interviews.

00:03:09.120 And I'll give you just as a reminder, this comment he made to George Stephanopoulos about

00:03:13.640 how he really feels no guilt at all for shooting this woman, Helena Hutchins.

00:03:17.480 Yes, it was an accident, but he did it.

00:03:18.920 He pulled the trigger, though, denied it.

00:03:20.480 But he really feels no guilt.

00:03:21.700 Listen.

00:03:23.280 Your emotions are so clearly so right there on the surface.

00:03:27.520 You felt shock.

00:03:29.260 You felt anger.

00:03:31.220 You felt sadness.

00:03:32.920 Do you feel guilt?

00:03:34.600 No, no.

00:03:35.540 I feel that there is, I feel that someone is responsible for what happened.

00:03:43.740 And I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me.

00:03:48.180 How big of him?

00:03:49.300 What a line.

00:03:50.800 The guy's a professional actor.

00:03:52.380 It's a little bit difficult to believe him in a serious interview setting.

00:03:56.220 Yeah.

00:03:56.480 Well, you guys, in addition to this job, you actually advise politicians on how to handle

00:04:00.760 things, how to convince people of A or B or C, this, I would imagine, would not have been

00:04:05.460 your advice.

00:04:06.700 No, no responsibility whatsoever.

00:04:09.480 It seems to be a common thing with him.

00:04:11.360 This isn't his first run in, right?

00:04:12.800 I mean, this guy's getting in trouble.

00:04:14.280 It seems like once a year.

00:04:15.900 This one, obviously, much higher level of gravity than most.

00:04:20.140 But if he thought criminal charges were a possibility, again, I'm not a lawyer, but why

00:04:25.180 go do a bunch of interviews, right?

00:04:26.660 I got to imagine that anything he said at this point is admissible. 0.90

00:04:29.640 Keep your mouth shut.

00:04:32.420 And I was on News Nation with my pal Dan Abrams last night talking about this a bit, and he

00:04:37.840 ran an interesting sod I hadn't seen before, sound on tape, sod, soundbite, where Alec Baldwin

00:04:42.900 gave an interview to the sheriff's department earlier in this case, shortly after the shooting.

00:04:48.980 And you guys may recall, he would ultimately tell George Stephanopoulos he did not fire the

00:04:54.060 trigger, right?

00:04:55.020 He said he didn't pull the trigger.

00:04:57.140 Actually, we'll play that.

00:04:58.060 Here he is denying later to Stephanopoulos that he pulled the trigger.

00:05:02.840 So I take the gun and I start to cock the gun.

00:05:05.400 I'm not going to pull the trigger.

00:05:06.840 I said, do you see that?

00:05:07.660 She goes, well, just cheat it down and tilt it down a little bit like that. 1.00

00:05:10.140 And I cocked the gun.

00:05:10.960 I go, can you see that?

00:05:11.840 Can you see that?

00:05:12.640 Can you see that?

00:05:13.560 And she says, and then I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off.

00:05:16.280 I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off.

00:05:20.260 At the moment.

00:05:21.440 That was the moment the gun went off.

00:05:22.860 Yeah, that was the moment the gun went off.

00:05:24.200 It wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled.

00:05:28.100 Well, the trigger wasn't pulled.

00:05:29.080 I didn't pull the trigger.

00:05:30.020 So you never pulled the trigger?

00:05:31.320 No, no, no, no, no.

00:05:32.100 I would never point a gun at anybody and pull a trigger at them.

00:05:34.400 Never.

00:05:35.560 Mm hmm.

00:05:36.360 We never do that.

00:05:37.440 OK, so they've already said that's not possible.

00:05:40.340 The FBI has already looked at it.

00:05:41.260 So that's not possible on this gun.

00:05:42.620 This gun would not have got off if he didn't pull the trigger.

00:05:45.000 And by the way, he also adds the admission that he was trained never to do that.

00:05:48.560 So the training is don't do it.

00:05:49.820 The standard of care is don't do it.

00:05:51.180 Don't pull the trigger.

00:05:52.000 He admits that.

00:05:53.100 OK, but he tries to deny to George that he that he did not that he failed to comply with

00:05:59.060 the standard.

00:05:59.520 He said, oh, no, I would never.

00:06:00.600 I was trained not to.

00:06:01.280 I would never.

00:06:02.000 But look at this sound.

00:06:02.900 But again, courtesy of my friend Dan, who did his homework, that he he admits, listen,

00:06:08.240 there's a lot in here.

00:06:09.000 But here he is talking to the sheriff's office.

00:06:10.840 He admits he shot the gun, that he was the one who shot her.

00:06:14.780 Listen.

00:06:16.460 I am speechless.

00:06:21.160 We're here shooting.

00:06:22.200 Everything was going fine.

00:06:24.160 Joel is my friend.

00:06:25.940 I'm one of the producers on this movie.

00:06:28.080 We've developed this movie together for three years.

00:06:30.320 I left my wife and six kids in New York to come here for a month to shoot this movie.

00:06:34.660 And I'm the one that shot the gun today.

00:06:36.420 Had a live bullet go through that woman's body and into his body. 0.92

00:06:41.420 And I need to know, how did that happen?

00:06:44.540 Where did that bullet come from?

00:06:47.020 Where did a lot of those?

00:06:48.100 There are no live rounds in her kid, I'm told.

00:06:52.340 That line's going to matter.

00:06:53.840 That's going to matter.

00:06:54.580 Oh, I mean, you don't need to be a Ph.D.

00:06:58.200 in engineering to understand that when you pull the trigger, it releases the hammer.

00:07:03.160 And so two thoughts ago, he was describing how he pulled the hammer back and released

00:07:07.600 the hammer that fires the gun.

00:07:09.260 What what what in the world is he trying to say?

00:07:12.480 I know that George Stephanopoulos is probably going to be helpful to him, given his history

00:07:16.440 as a Democrat.

00:07:17.560 And his deep knowledge of firearms, I'm sure.

00:07:19.960 Yeah, he did his homework, clearly, certainly wants to take them away from all of us.

00:07:25.080 But the point of the matter, I mean, he he literally just said, I pulled the hammer back

00:07:29.340 and I let it go.

00:07:30.020 That shoots the gun.

00:07:31.340 Well, I mean, no, but the FBI is saying that's not true.

00:07:34.980 The FBI says you have to pull you'd have to pull the trigger that in order to send the

00:07:39.680 bullet out of the barrel and that this must be a lie that you would not this gun would

00:07:44.760 not be firing if he hadn't pulled the trigger.

00:07:46.780 And so his statement to Stephanopoulos, according to the FBI, looked at it is a lie.

00:07:51.180 And that's what's going to and all of this, Holmes, I know you're going to say something.

00:07:54.200 All of this goes into whether a D.A. charges you or not.

00:07:57.840 The D.A. is looking at the statement saying he admitted he shot the gun.

00:08:01.360 He tried to deny it later.

00:08:03.060 The FBI says you cannot shoot this gun without actually pulling the trigger.

00:08:06.800 So he's lying.

00:08:08.040 Why is he lying?

00:08:09.280 It could suggest a consciousness of guilt that there was wrongdoing.

00:08:12.980 He admits what the standard of care is and that he's been trained in it.

00:08:17.080 But in another interview, seems to admit he didn't follow it.

00:08:20.180 All this stuff could lead you into some very hot criminal water.

00:08:25.080 And that's where he finds himself today.

00:08:26.440 Go ahead, Josh.

00:08:27.680 I'm just I'm just so confused by all of it, because on one level, like, look, Baldwin's 0.99

00:08:32.860 a scumbag, right? 0.98

00:08:33.760 I mean, we all have known that we followed his career. 1.00

00:08:36.140 He's actually a pretty talented actor. 0.99

00:08:37.480 But I mean, he is a scumbag and I've no doubt that he's lying about all kinds of, you know, 0.99

00:08:41.800 whether he pulled the trigger, whether he didn't pull the trigger. 1.00

00:08:44.140 I don't know.

00:08:44.900 But like, don't we on movies, don't we?

00:08:47.500 We have blanks, right?

00:08:48.900 I mean, I guess it's hard for me to get the connection between how Alec Baldwin has a

00:08:55.580 live round in his gun.

00:08:57.900 And I guess I heard from Stephanopoulos there that it was not in the script for him to pull

00:09:02.100 the trigger.

00:09:02.520 I mean, I just the whole thing makes no sense to me.

00:09:06.660 Clearly, there is culpability here.

00:09:08.100 A woman lost her life.

00:09:10.280 It seems to me that anybody who's got live rounds and a weapon, there's Alec Baldwin,

00:09:16.020 I find it hard to believe, is a stage guy, is the prop guy, right?

00:09:19.080 Like putting the bullets into the gun.

00:09:21.420 Yeah, but I guess the point would be it's grossly negligent to pull the trigger on a set,

00:09:27.280 especially if the script doesn't call for it.

00:09:30.560 Which I guess is that's the issue.

00:09:31.740 Is that the standard?

00:09:32.780 You would know more than us, Megan.

00:09:34.640 No, the script didn't call for it.

00:09:37.360 And the standard of care is not to do it on a set.

00:09:40.160 You don't actually have to pull the trigger.

00:09:41.880 But this gun did not have blanks.

00:09:45.380 It had dummy rounds, which are, they're like models.

00:09:49.480 You know, a blank makes the sound and does some fake smoke.

00:09:53.200 So it looks like you fired a real gun, a real bullet out of a real gun, live bullet.

00:09:58.000 But a dummy round is just, it's like for a gun like this, like the Colt 45, where you can see the bullets as the audience just by looking at the outside of the gun.

00:10:09.440 So it's there to just be pretty, you know, it's there to sort of just look like.

00:10:13.340 And in any event, what happened was a live round, an actual, you know, live fireable bullet or two or three.

00:10:21.480 We don't know how many got loaded into that gun.

00:10:24.240 And then and that was loaded by the armorer, we're told, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, and then provided to the first assistant director, who we also understand from the Wall Street Journal, has agreed to plead guilty in the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon, which is one down from what Alec and the armorer is also going to be charged with.

00:10:41.400 And then they handed it.

00:10:42.560 He handed it to Alec saying cold gun.

00:10:44.880 And it was his responsibility and her responsibility to make sure a cold gun was, in fact, handed over.

00:10:48.620 But there's a third responsibility in the hands of Alec Baldwin, who actually handles the gun to not actually put the trigger, says he and some other actors like George Clooney have said you also, as the actor, would never take anybody's word for it.

00:11:02.620 You'd actually look inside the gun and look at the bullets yourself.

00:11:05.360 Now, how an actor is supposed to know if it's a dummy round versus a live round?

00:11:10.180 The dummy round's whole goal is to look exactly like the live round.

00:11:13.040 You have to take it out and shake it.

00:11:14.500 One sounds one way.

00:11:15.320 One sounds a different.

00:11:15.880 How Alec Baldwin would have done that.

00:11:17.360 I mean, that seems to me a lot to ask of any actor.

00:11:20.520 But in any event, if you pulled the trigger, he's gone below the standard of care.

00:11:23.480 So he's going to get charged.

00:11:24.380 The armorer is going to get charged involuntary, involuntary.

00:11:27.540 The first assistant, a director is going to plead guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon, which I think is probably where this will likely end with Alec, the negligent use of a deadly weapon.

00:11:38.000 I think it's going to be fascinating to see how a jury, if it ever gets that far, reacts to a guy like Alec Baldwin in front of them.

00:11:43.600 They tend to love celebrity.

00:11:44.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:46.600 Well, in the meantime, he should probably butt in his trap, right?

00:11:48.720 I mean, I think that's the thing to me that's the oddest is any any normal person, if they were involved in a tragic situation like this would feel terrible that there was a loss of life that, you know, a woman was killed and the gun was in their hand.

00:12:05.800 And at the very least, when the bullet comes out and kills somebody and for him to say, I feel absolutely no guilt.

00:12:12.480 No, well, not only that, he's like someone's responsible, but it isn't me.

00:12:15.880 I mean, right.

00:12:17.020 Not only that, the sheriff's interview, he's complaining about, oh, my gosh, I've had to travel all the way here from New York and leave my family.

00:12:24.000 Ah, and boy, I'm really put out by this whole thing.

00:12:27.140 I can't believe this woman got in the way of my weapon. 1.00

00:12:30.120 It's so that's exactly right.

00:12:33.280 Can we listen to that soundbite again?

00:12:34.720 You're right.

00:12:35.460 I was I picked up on that subliminally.

00:12:37.800 It was sort of bothering me in the back of my head, but it didn't come to life for me until you just said it.

00:12:42.460 Can we listen to that soundbite again, guys?

00:12:44.020 Alec with the sheriff.

00:12:46.300 I am speechless.

00:12:51.020 We're here shooting.

00:12:52.060 Everything was going fine.

00:12:54.020 Joel is my friend.

00:12:55.820 I'm one of the producers on this movie.

00:12:57.940 We've developed this movie together for three years.

00:13:00.560 I left my wife and six kids in New York to come here for a month to shoot this movie.

00:13:04.300 And I'm the one that shot the gun today that had a live bullet go through that woman's body and into his body.

00:13:11.240 And I need to know, how did that happen?

00:13:14.280 Where did that bullet come from?

00:13:16.880 Where did a lot of those?

00:13:17.940 There are no live rounds in her kin, I'm told.

00:13:21.060 You're so right.

00:13:22.540 I left my wife, my six kids to do this.

00:13:24.740 I think I was bargaining for this headache.

00:13:27.360 I think I think he should have remained speechless instead of being speechless.

00:13:31.460 He decided to confess to the crime.

00:13:34.300 All right.

00:13:36.380 So that's Alec.

00:13:37.280 He's going to have his own legal troubles out there.

00:13:39.320 I do, for the record, think it's interesting.

00:13:41.400 According to the Wall Street Journal, no charges for the guy who provided the ammo to the armorer.

00:13:48.560 She had been pointing the finger at him.

00:13:50.640 His name is Seth Kinney.

00:13:51.800 And he had been pointing the finger at her saying he's like, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:13:56.600 I didn't give you live rounds.

00:13:57.940 I gave you dummies and blanks. 0.54

00:13:59.620 And you're responsible for the gun.

00:14:01.240 And it seems that the DA and the sheriff's office have concluded the armorer did something

00:14:07.240 wrong here.

00:14:08.260 And so did Alec.

00:14:09.960 And so did the first assistant director.

00:14:11.500 In any event, we'll continue to watch it.

00:14:12.540 The weirdest part of all this, the widower of the woman who was shot and killed, Helena

00:14:18.080 Hutchins, has settled his civil suit against Alec and the production of Rust.

00:14:22.380 And now they are going to resume production of the film with the widower as an executive

00:14:31.040 producer of the project with Alec Baldwin starring serious.

00:14:37.140 Oh, what a terrible situation.

00:14:40.380 So, I mean, you could conclude from that that part of the settlement is that this dude gets

00:14:44.980 to be on the film.

00:14:47.140 Who knows?

00:14:47.980 It's an EP credit.

00:14:49.640 I just I'm sorry.

00:14:50.880 The whole thing is so distasteful to me.

00:14:53.000 Like, who would want to continue the movie with Alec Baldwin?

00:14:57.860 What are they going to reenact that same scene?

00:15:00.000 You know, people are going to go to this just for like the rubbernecking effect.

00:15:03.440 They get on the road just to see like, was this the part where it happened?

00:15:06.260 What part was shot by her?

00:15:07.660 Was this where before or after he killed these this woman and shot another man on set?

00:15:11.800 It's like who would want to see it to completion?

00:15:15.240 Right.

00:15:15.700 Nobody was going to watch it before.

00:15:17.520 It's not exactly Lawrence of Arabia.

00:15:19.340 Yeah.

00:15:19.660 You know, it's not this is not this is not going to make it into the AFI's top 100.

00:15:24.660 No.

00:15:25.340 Although, you know, there's precedent for this before.

00:15:27.480 I mean, I remember a movie growing up.

00:15:29.240 I think the crow or something.

00:15:30.720 Oh, yeah.

00:15:31.080 Right.

00:15:31.460 I remember.

00:15:31.940 Right.

00:15:32.120 And I forget the actor who lost his life in that very similar situation.

00:15:35.140 Wasn't it Brandon Lee?

00:15:36.340 Bruce Lee's son.

00:15:37.160 Yeah.

00:15:37.440 Bruce Lee's son.

00:15:38.260 That's right.

00:15:38.760 Exactly.

00:15:39.180 I don't know ultimately how that ended up being resolved from a legal standpoint.

00:15:43.440 But I know they did finish the movie.

00:15:45.720 Well, they'll be.

00:15:46.600 I mean, if it really is never the standard for the actor to pull the trigger, he's going

00:15:50.180 to have tons of testimony to that effect.

00:15:51.840 George Clooney will not be helpful to him, but I'm sure a lot of other actors will.

00:15:56.000 And so we'll see.

00:15:56.780 I mean, he's taken a massive hit, I think, in his reputation on this because because of

00:16:00.540 his callousness.

00:16:01.200 I think a lot of us saw the initial day.

00:16:04.080 Poor guy.

00:16:04.880 My God, this is what a tragedy.

00:16:07.000 And then he started talking and those ratings went off the cliff.

00:16:10.000 By the way, same things happening with Meghan and Harry.

00:16:13.280 I'm just going to say Newsweek did a poll.

00:16:16.320 Their approval ratings went off the cliff.

00:16:18.500 They were maintaining some popularity here in the United States, never in Britain, since

00:16:22.080 they pulled all their shenanigans last year.

00:16:23.700 But here in the United States, they were doing OK.

00:16:26.000 Now they're both below zero on their approval.

00:16:28.120 They've been up in like the 40s.

00:16:29.200 I don't know what it's like a 40 to 60 point swing, something absurd.

00:16:33.660 So sometimes it's better just to be quiet and let people wonder about whether you're a 0.97

00:16:38.060 prick instead of actually voting. 0.96

00:16:42.100 That's so good.

00:16:43.080 Well, you know, those poor royals, they never get a break.

00:16:45.120 You know, it's just such a tough life.

00:16:47.520 Single tear.

00:16:49.240 OK, so let's talk about Joe Biden, who ostensibly could be a big deal.

00:16:53.900 Also facing criminal charges, though, don't count on it.

00:17:00.060 What's happening right now in the messaging at the White House is fascinating to me.

00:17:03.840 Instead of Joe Biden really being hung out to dry on this because he's the one who was

00:17:07.560 so careless with his documents, it's Kareem Jean-Pierre.

00:17:10.960 At some point, this woman needs to turn around and say, I'm not doing it. 1.00

00:17:15.340 I'm not going back out there.

00:17:16.800 I don't trust the lot of you. 1.00

00:17:19.400 But man, is she taking a beating justifiably because of her stupidity in believing her 1.00

00:17:25.800 boss and delivering his message without questioning and without leaving herself any room to wiggle. 1.00

00:17:31.640 Hold on.

00:17:32.180 I want to see.

00:17:33.080 Let's see.

00:17:33.800 Is it?

00:17:34.640 Yeah, here she is. 0.98

00:17:36.160 OK, last Thursday, she claimed everything's complete.

00:17:38.520 The search is complete.

00:17:39.280 We've given you everything.

00:17:39.960 And after this point, there was an announcement of two more tranches of documents.

00:17:43.980 OK, after everything was complete.

00:17:45.160 Oh, wait, except for this one.

00:17:46.180 Oh, and also this one.

00:17:47.320 And once again, none of them found by the FBI, but by Biden's lawyers.

00:17:50.580 So here's an example of how it's going for her over at the White House press briefing.

00:17:53.860 On Friday, you stood here, though, and were asked about these documents issued by our

00:17:59.300 council 18 times.

00:18:01.080 So did you not know on Friday that those documents had been found when you were at the podium?

00:18:05.240 Or are you being directed by someone to not be forthcoming on this?

00:18:09.260 I was repeating what the what the council was sharing at that time.

00:18:13.940 Are you upset that you came out to this podium on Friday with incomplete and inaccurate

00:18:19.200 information?

00:18:20.460 And are you concerned that it affects your credibility up here?

00:18:23.240 Well, what I'm what I'm concerned about is making sure that we do not

00:18:26.960 politically interfere in the Department of Justice.

00:18:29.380 I'm just going to leave it there.

00:18:31.280 Oh, man, what a bunch of bad answers.

00:18:35.580 Terrible.

00:18:36.100 She's flailing because she she misled or she just said something without knowing the facts.

00:18:40.440 Either way, disaster.

00:18:41.580 Go ahead, Josh.

00:18:42.800 You know, I just it's the one thing you teach a press secretary, particularly at the White

00:18:45.920 House, is you've never overcome it.

00:18:47.680 Right.

00:18:48.260 You're never definitive about things you don't know the answers to.

00:18:51.140 And counsels often when you're dealing with potential criminal criminal charges against

00:18:57.320 a sitting president, don't go give you all the information.

00:19:00.360 But that's why you don't overcommit.

00:19:02.260 Right.

00:19:02.440 That's why you don't say things like it's complete.

00:19:05.180 Everything is done.

00:19:06.300 We're all moving forward here, which is exactly what she did.

00:19:09.600 And literally, as she was doing it, as she was doing it, they had Biden's own lawyer in

00:19:15.220 his own home finding more stuff.

00:19:17.780 Right.

00:19:18.060 So, I mean, look, from a White House spokesperson perspective, it is the worst practice that

00:19:24.160 I've seen since, like with the McClellan guy in the Bush administration for everything.

00:19:28.620 Every time he came out to the podium, people were like, oh, dude, just let me stop.

00:19:32.040 I don't feel like you're giving Sean Spicer his due.

00:19:33.680 So, Megan, that crowd size was the most gigantic thing that's ever shown up on the mall.

00:19:40.500 I can't believe you're not admitting to that.

00:19:42.560 My God, it was so, so train wrecky.

00:19:44.520 Nice guy.

00:19:45.260 But that was a train wrecky press secretary stint for sure.

00:19:48.740 So she's also asked if President Biden still has confidence in his team managing this PR

00:19:56.620 disaster and potential legal disaster.

00:19:58.920 And here's what she said.

00:19:59.560 Does President Biden have confidence in the way his team is handling this with this trickle

00:20:05.640 out of information and the documents being found day after day?

00:20:08.660 I can tell you this.

00:20:09.720 The president has confidence.

00:20:11.780 Does he?

00:20:12.820 Do you really do you believe that's true?

00:20:15.240 No possible way.

00:20:16.160 There's no possible way.

00:20:17.260 And this is the liability, I think, that they open themselves up to when they let Biden's

00:20:22.520 lawyers manage this process. 0.78

00:20:24.740 Right.

00:20:25.520 Because I think that explains why she's sort of in the dark on some of this stuff.

00:20:29.820 I mean, they should have just handed it all over to DOJ the second that they became aware

00:20:34.560 of this.

00:20:35.000 But of course, they didn't want to do that for, I think, reasons we can all infer.

00:20:38.880 Oh, entirely.

00:20:40.500 Right.

00:20:40.920 But also, again, I know this is a little bit technical, but you're the spokesperson for

00:20:45.580 the White House.

00:20:46.100 It's an official government job.

00:20:47.580 You're the president's spokesperson.

00:20:49.680 You shouldn't be pontificating about the personal lawyer of the president, whether he has confidence

00:20:55.460 in that or not.

00:20:56.100 You can punt on those questions.

00:20:57.860 That's a that's a question for in direct to the lawyers themselves.

00:21:01.860 Let me speak to the official action we're doing at the White House.

00:21:05.000 She, like, doesn't know the basics.

00:21:06.420 I mean, the basics.

00:21:07.680 And I understand she's taken a rash, but she's earned it.

00:21:10.300 I mean, you do not get out over your skis on that.

00:21:13.800 So she doesn't know what she's talking about.

00:21:16.280 And we we took the liberty of just putting together a little butted soundbite of some

00:21:20.380 of her lowlights, proving she doesn't know anything about anything.

00:21:26.020 Here's one.

00:21:28.160 Three U.S. winners of the 2022 Nobel Prize, who won the Nobel Prize in chemistry, who won

00:21:35.320 the Nobel Prize in physics, who won the Nobel Prize in economic sciences.

00:21:40.340 The president meets with U.S. winners of the Nobel Prize.

00:21:44.260 That's one of the things that has been out there to shut down the pipeline of Nordstrom

00:21:48.640 War.

00:21:48.920 That matters, right?

00:21:49.880 Bicaramel, bipartisan support.

00:21:51.460 And you have someone top of mind.

00:21:53.300 Caramel?

00:21:53.720 They're a top of mind.

00:21:54.700 Exactly that.

00:21:55.760 And she was on top of mind.

00:21:57.920 He takes classified information and documents very, very seriously.

00:22:01.380 He takes this very seriously when it comes to classified information.

00:22:04.300 He takes classified information and documents very seriously.

00:22:07.500 We take this very seriously.

00:22:09.720 And the president's does as well.

00:22:11.180 I just answered the question.

00:22:12.640 I literally just answered that question.

00:22:15.100 I'm done with you right now.

00:22:18.580 Well, I certainly hope she keeps her job because what you've just played is the last three months

00:22:23.800 of intros to the Ruthless Variety program.

00:22:26.840 And if she goes somewhere, we're going to run out of material.

00:22:29.780 Yeah.

00:22:29.940 I just I wonder if you get a bicarmel in the congressional gift shop.

00:22:33.300 I think you could, but it comes with whipped cream and a cherry.

00:22:35.340 Yeah, my God, bicarmel, it's probably it's soon that's going to be added to like LGBTQ plus.

00:22:41.960 But is that a new thing?

00:22:43.560 Also, the bicarmel group.

00:22:46.840 The thing is, at the end of the day, the reason she subjects herself to this level of

00:22:52.520 humiliation, because that's what this is.

00:22:54.300 When you know you're that terrible at your job and you go out there day after day to get

00:22:58.420 embarrassed, the whole reason she's doing this is because as a Democrat, she's guaranteed 1.00

00:23:02.620 she'll get either a job at Amazon or she'll get a show at MSNBC. 0.99

00:23:06.380 So all she has to do is put up with this long enough.

00:23:08.420 I mean, her predecessor's got a show on MSNBC, so she's done for the same at the very least.

00:23:12.960 And also just sort of unemployable in any other area beforehand.

00:23:17.620 Right.

00:23:17.940 I mean, she was a move on.org activist who's now somehow a spokesperson for the president

00:23:22.960 of the United States.

00:23:24.040 I mean, this is she's way out of her depth, right?

00:23:26.120 She seems she could be a very nice person.

00:23:27.680 But this is this is high water that she is in.

00:23:30.600 I don't want to give anything up here, but I don't think she's the only former move on

00:23:36.100 dot org activist sitting in a briefing room.

00:23:38.800 A couple of people behind the camera, you think?

00:23:41.540 Yeah.

00:23:42.400 More than one.

00:23:43.360 OK, but nice segue into my next point, which is the media coverage of the Biden scandal.

00:23:47.900 Right.

00:23:48.380 Instead of drilling down and a couple did like the CBS news reporter and CBS broke the story

00:23:53.520 of the Biden documents was grilling her pretty good.

00:23:56.760 It was actually fun to watch, but most of the press is starting to run cover for him

00:24:01.580 and downplay having classified documents after months of telling us how bad it was when

00:24:07.200 it was Trump.

00:24:08.140 And I'll just let's go back.

00:24:09.920 Let's do a little memory lane on how CNN reported on the Trump Mar-a-Lago documents

00:24:15.120 in that FBI staged photo where the FBI put all of his documents splayed out to do a little

00:24:21.640 picture art.

00:24:22.420 OK, here's a little sample of how CNN sounded then.

00:24:24.480 The filing includes this photo.

00:24:27.860 It's really something to behold here.

00:24:29.560 Seeing it there laid out, that's pretty striking.

00:24:32.700 I mean, you see these documents all laid out.

00:24:35.420 It is astonishing.

00:24:36.780 Made me ill to see those documents. 0.75

00:24:40.620 Sickening. 0.88

00:24:41.480 It's sickening.

00:24:42.820 OK, flash forward to yesterday on the Biden documents, which we conveniently don't have a

00:24:49.160 photo of because it was his own personal lawyers doing the search.

00:24:53.040 Listen.

00:24:54.820 All right.

00:24:55.380 This morning, we got some new CNN reporting about how just common it could be for classified

00:24:59.180 documents to be outside of the protected places and spaces they're supposed to be in.

00:25:04.320 Experts in this matter say it is known as classified spillage.

00:25:07.580 This kind of classified spillage happens almost literally every day.

00:25:11.420 There are just millions and millions and millions of pieces of classified information,

00:25:15.260 not all of which are exquisite.

00:25:18.960 My kids had some classified spillage at breakfast this morning.

00:25:22.420 I'm not sure that's what's going on.

00:25:26.140 The other thing is about classified documents, the one thing you want to make sure of is take

00:25:29.620 as many pictures of them as possible.

00:25:31.520 It's essential that you get that out to the free world. 1.00

00:25:34.280 I got to respect that a company that's doing as poorly as CNN can maintain a stable of idiots 0.99

00:25:41.940 that large so that you can have one cast of characters on to bemoan Donald Trump and then 1.00

00:25:47.940 wholly new people on to say the exact opposite.

00:25:50.680 It's a really quite amazing bench.

00:25:52.560 A lot of bench.

00:25:53.320 A lot of bench.

00:25:54.280 Isn't it incredible?

00:25:55.240 They're not even trying to like hedge a little and be like, this is really iris.

00:25:58.680 This is horrible what he did.

00:26:00.800 You know, but let's talk about why it keeps happening.

00:26:02.580 No, it's just like, of course, it's very common and it happens all as and the nerve in for

00:26:08.340 the listening audience in the new clip in which they're like, it's really not a thing.

00:26:12.740 They actually use the Trump photo again.

00:26:17.660 The same photo.

00:26:21.680 It's now the stock classified photo, right?

00:26:24.720 Right.

00:26:25.660 It looks very different now.

00:26:27.020 Six months later.

00:26:27.840 I don't know why.

00:26:28.720 Something weird.

00:26:29.360 I'm not sure what did the change for me.

00:26:31.000 But yeah, it looks suddenly very, very different.

00:26:33.700 And it wasn't the only thing I was listening this morning to NPR.

00:26:36.280 I listen to NPR in the mornings and I listen to Daily Wire and some other right and left

00:26:39.260 sites.

00:26:39.800 So, you know, got both sides.

00:26:41.200 Same thing on NPR.

00:26:42.320 Long discussion, in fact, on how very common this is.

00:26:45.880 They had some former security experts saying, oh, it happens all the time where someone innocently

00:26:49.920 leaves the department.

00:26:51.080 And then when walking home says, oh, blank, look what I have.

00:26:55.080 It's really not a big deal.

00:26:56.640 And by the way, those people, I should note for our audience, they don't have the power

00:27:00.480 to declassify documents like President Trump did.

00:27:02.600 Right.

00:27:02.780 So it's like, but still, the vapors, Trump and Biden classified spillage like something

00:27:08.220 that happens to a nursing mom. 1.00

00:27:13.340 Jonathan Turley, respected lawyer and professor at George Washington University, is making the

00:27:22.000 point about Biden's personal attorneys and and the justification now that we're seeing

00:27:28.460 from the DOJ and having rejected the opportunity to monitor the search.

00:27:34.160 Right.

00:27:34.720 Biden's lawyers found the first tranche, November 2nd, contacted the National Archives

00:27:40.560 who contacted justice.

00:27:42.560 Justice was given the opportunity to come and do the remaining search or supervise the

00:27:46.640 remaining search.

00:27:47.860 Understand there might be other documents out there.

00:27:49.600 And they decided against it, per the Wall Street Journal, to avoid complicating later stages

00:27:57.480 of the investigation.

00:27:59.840 What?

00:28:00.780 What does that mean?

00:28:02.360 Why couldn't they both supervise the search or do the search and continue investigating

00:28:08.360 how these documents got there to begin with?

00:28:10.880 It's like a police officer knocking on your door and be like, all right, I'll give you a

00:28:14.620 10 count to clean up the crime scene.

00:28:16.180 I mean, I think that what's very apparent is what they didn't want to complicate is the

00:28:21.880 midterm elections for Joe Biden.

00:28:23.800 It's the fact that they knew about this ahead of an election.

00:28:26.660 And yet again, the American public voters before they can get to the to the booth are

00:28:31.900 having information hidden from them.

00:28:34.060 Two years before it was Hunter Biden.

00:28:35.960 This time it's Joe Biden himself with classified documents all over the place in the garage next

00:28:40.640 to his Corvette.

00:28:41.080 And I think the time frame of that is very key.

00:28:43.440 Number one, of course, that it happened.

00:28:45.140 It was discovered before an election.

00:28:46.780 But number two, these documents had been in Biden's house since he was left as vice

00:28:52.720 president.

00:28:53.020 So six years, six years sitting on classified documents.

00:28:58.740 Right.

00:28:58.940 And and the FBI is mad because Trump, who had left the White House, what, maybe six months

00:29:03.640 earlier, has these documents and they kick in the doors.

00:29:06.260 There's a huge difference in the way that they're handling this.

00:29:08.300 And the way that the Justice Department has made this very clearly political.

00:29:12.200 Smug, I think it's it's interesting that you called it his house, Joe Biden's house.

00:29:16.560 When we have seen documents on Twitter, everybody has seen documents on Twitter where Hunter Biden

00:29:22.160 claims that he owns the house.

00:29:24.120 Yeah, that Hunter, we just saw pictures yesterday, Hunter Biden driving in the Corvette, the famous

00:29:29.060 Corvette where the documents sitting next to him.

00:29:31.720 So there are a lot of questions here that have been unanswered.

00:29:34.720 And spillage is a satisfactory explanation.

00:29:38.680 But they said, in fairness, they said that they're trying not to complicate the later stage

00:29:43.540 of the investigation, which, as we all know, comes in December of twenty twenty four.

00:29:48.220 And wait, can I say so, so, Turley, to the point you just made, so, Duncan, you just made

00:29:54.740 the point on the on the door.

00:29:56.100 This is what Turley says.

00:29:56.860 He says, this is akin to saying I could have used my keys to enter the home, but that would

00:30:01.580 have meant I could not later force the residents to open the door.

00:30:04.520 Right.

00:30:04.700 Like, what are you saying?

00:30:06.300 There's a very easy way to handle this.

00:30:08.460 Go down there, supervise the search.

00:30:10.280 If anything is found, you take it.

00:30:12.040 But he is still ultimately accountable for how it got there to begin with.

00:30:16.380 There's no reason more from Turley.

00:30:19.060 There's no plausible reason why, given the chance, the DOJ would not want to conduct the

00:30:23.260 national security search itself.

00:30:25.000 It opted instead to allow uncleared attorneys to search for additional classified material

00:30:29.500 under a type of look, but please don't read edict.

00:30:34.160 He says, as somebody who's worked with classified evidence at the top secret level since the Reagan

00:30:39.280 administration, this decision is breathtaking.

00:30:42.120 He says it effectively replaced well-established national security protocols with an honor

00:30:47.820 system to be followed by persons unknown.

00:30:51.840 The approach was grossly negligent.

00:30:54.740 They rolled the dice and they lost because they did find additional documents that the

00:30:59.420 personal lawyers never should have seen.

00:31:01.760 It was first his actual personal lawyers, and then it was lawyers within the White House

00:31:06.020 counsel's office who he hired to run cover for him on the coming Republican House and whatever

00:31:11.340 investigations they would run.

00:31:12.980 And in case you have any doubts about this guy's feelings about whether he's an objective

00:31:17.140 person, this special counsel lawyer, he's already come out and said the Republicans are

00:31:23.180 playing politics. 0.99

00:31:24.060 They're shamelessly hypocritical and gone on to attack the Republicans time and time again. 1.00

00:31:28.860 They have no credibility. 0.99

00:31:29.940 Why are they politicizing decisions?

00:31:31.420 This is not an honest broker.

00:31:32.780 It's his personal lawyer by another name.

00:31:36.200 Yeah.

00:31:36.580 Well, I think you put your finger on it there.

00:31:38.480 I think it was in the Post or the Times yesterday where there was some conjecture back and forth

00:31:43.580 about this very topic and why DOJ didn't get involved from the very beginning.

00:31:47.940 And there was some statement inferring that they didn't want to complicate things for this

00:31:52.120 her guy, the guy who's running the special counsel, which tells me everything I needed to

00:31:58.540 know about why Merrick Garland appointed the special counsel in the first place, right?

00:32:04.260 I mean, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this guy's got it.

00:32:07.340 We don't need to look for anything.

00:32:08.380 This guy's got it.

00:32:09.100 And by the way, Congress, you don't need to investigate this either because it could

00:32:11.680 complicate that guy's investigation.

00:32:14.220 Does anybody think that dude is going to present any damning evidence against the president

00:32:18.440 of the United States at any point?

00:32:20.080 It's already been handled.

00:32:21.400 I mean, that's the other thing.

00:32:22.320 If you had a DOJ lawyer, an FBI guy in there doing the sifting, you could put him on the stand.

00:32:27.540 You could put him under oath.

00:32:28.560 You could put him in front of a grand jury.

00:32:29.840 You could ask him questions.

00:32:30.800 But the reason people like Joe Biden use lawyers is the same reason why Hillary Clinton used 1.00

00:32:35.340 lawyers to do all of her dirty work. 1.00

00:32:37.320 They're trying to stop us from getting any info by later citing the attorney client privilege

00:32:41.860 that or work product privilege that this there's a reason there's a special relationship.

00:32:45.880 I'm not allowed to.

00:32:46.780 And then every actual admission will be a fight.

00:32:50.540 There's this has all been set up and you avoid photographs and so on.

00:32:55.500 Right.

00:32:55.640 And there's the other problem, too, which is now they're saying, well, we can't provide

00:32:59.660 any we can't tell you who's may have had access to these documents over the years because

00:33:04.440 there's no visitor's log.

00:33:05.860 There's no visitor's log.

00:33:07.280 And Andy McCarthy's pointing out, OK, so you're telling me, God forbid, somebody posed a

00:33:12.680 security threat to Joe Biden.

00:33:14.180 You know, somebody attempted to hurt him.

00:33:16.080 You don't think the Secret Service would be able to go back and tell us everybody who had

00:33:19.080 visited the Wilmington House since, you know, he was vice president forward?

00:33:22.700 Sure.

00:33:22.880 No, what a great point.

00:33:25.000 What a great point.

00:33:26.640 No, I mean, there's a willful neglect here that's been very clear since the beginning

00:33:30.820 of the story.

00:33:31.460 And by the way, I don't think the story is even close to over at this point.

00:33:34.280 I mean, we're finding new documents every day.

00:33:36.480 They're in garages.

00:33:37.300 They're in the pen centers that are funded by the Chinese. 1.00

00:33:40.900 They're like we're nowhere near the end of this.

00:33:44.820 And I mean, I don't know.

00:33:46.800 The funny thing is the explanation at the beginning that the spillage thing that may have

00:33:51.320 worked with the American people if they hadn't spent the previous 120 days convincing the

00:33:55.880 American people that any document that leaves secure facilities is the worst thing in the 0.91

00:34:01.720 history of the world.

00:34:02.500 And Donald Trump ought to be locked up for it.

00:34:04.180 But having done that now, it's a pretty complicated situation for themselves.

00:34:08.860 Yeah.

00:34:09.140 By the way, we did cut the NPR soundbite.

00:34:11.040 Listen to this.

00:34:11.580 Turns out it's not unusual for outgoing government officials to find classified documents laying

00:34:18.980 around.

00:34:19.820 So a classified document at the CIA can be kept in the same filing cabinet for years.

00:34:25.120 But at the White House, it has to be packed up and moved when an administration changes.

00:34:30.180 And so this could make it vulnerable to some sort of mishandling.

00:34:33.860 I've known several people who have retired.

00:34:36.860 And after they retire, they're going through their box.

00:34:39.440 And it's like, whoa, how did that get in here?

00:34:43.080 Oh, my God.

00:34:45.560 Well, what you do, you call two Marines in a truck and they kind of show up, they put

00:34:50.120 everything in the back and lo and behold, who could be blamed?

00:34:53.780 Yeah, it's so funny.

00:34:55.360 I don't feel like this was the messaging after Mar-a-Lago, guys.

00:34:58.460 I'll go back and check.

00:34:59.620 But I listen to that podcast every day.

00:35:01.460 I think it sounded different.

00:35:03.480 You may have.

00:35:04.320 It's I think, you know, what you see here is a pattern we see with the media on a host

00:35:10.120 of topics.

00:35:10.800 The first one that comes to mind is COVID, right?

00:35:13.320 It's like they spend all this time trying to convince us of one thing and demonize us

00:35:18.540 or demonize Republicans or demonize Trump.

00:35:20.940 And lo and behold, two years later, suddenly they're like, oh, you know what?

00:35:24.780 Maybe we are overreporting COVID deaths.

00:35:28.120 Oh, sorry.

00:35:28.700 You want to tell them every day to say you were a murderer for going outside without a mask

00:35:33.400 on.

00:35:33.900 But we've discovered now that maybe we were wrong and we all got to move on together.

00:35:37.980 No, but they'll never say they were wrong.

00:35:40.360 They're just moving with new information.

00:35:42.280 Oh, no, right.

00:35:42.640 It's new retrospective.

00:35:44.480 All right.

00:35:44.620 Wait, I've got to squeeze in a quick break.

00:35:46.140 And then we are going to play the Dr.

00:35:49.040 Leanna Wendt soundbite from CNN.

00:35:50.600 This is a person she used to run Planned Parenthood.

00:35:52.240 Then she got booted. 0.99

00:35:53.340 Then she took a job at CNN and she was their go to on mandatory masks, mandatory vaccines.

00:35:58.680 The nation's well-being depends on it.

00:36:01.360 And then I think she got sick of seeing her own kids in masks.

00:36:04.180 That's my own supposition.

00:36:05.280 And her message changed.

00:36:06.680 And now she's bringing truth to CNN.

00:36:08.800 Finally, she will be the standard bearer for truth.

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00:36:49.580 Guys, you may not know this, but they might be overcounting COVID deaths at the hospitals.

00:36:56.220 No, you don't think.

00:36:57.160 Brace yourselves.

00:36:58.040 They might be.

00:36:59.480 And we know this because Dr. Leanna Nguyen, the woman I described before the break,

00:37:04.100 first wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post letting people know and then talked about it on CNN.

00:37:10.160 Now, let me take it to her Washington Post op-ed.

00:37:13.460 We are, this is the headline, overcounting COVID deaths and hospitalizations.

00:37:18.400 That's a problem.

00:37:19.560 She says that's a problem.

00:37:20.980 Okay.

00:37:21.460 According to the CDC, we're experiencing 400 COVID deaths every day.

00:37:26.380 But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?

00:37:34.060 My God, what a good question.

00:37:35.520 I wish somebody had thought before now to ask that.

00:37:37.840 That's brilliant, Dr. Nguyen.

00:37:39.180 Understanding this distinction is crucial to putting the continuing toll of the coronavirus

00:37:45.320 into perspective.

00:37:47.220 Determining how likely it is that an infection will result in hospitalization or death helps

00:37:51.180 people weigh their own risk.

00:37:54.080 It also enables health officials to assess when vaccine effectiveness wanes and future

00:37:59.500 rounds of boosters are needed.

00:38:01.680 A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for

00:38:05.360 the virus.

00:38:06.360 But the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.

00:38:11.360 How did she come to this realization, guys?

00:38:13.020 Well, she spoke with two infectious disease experts who estimated at one of their hospitals,

00:38:19.260 90% of the patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for something else.

00:38:25.720 So it's absurd.

00:38:29.140 Michael Sanger, he tweets out, he's a contributor to Tablet, which is a great magazine, tweets

00:38:33.200 out, breaking, super sleuth, Leanna Wendt.

00:38:37.940 Tell CNN we've been vastly overcounting COVID deaths, outlining the crucial distinction between

00:38:43.480 deaths with COVID and deaths from it.

00:38:45.140 How did we miss this?

00:38:46.420 And then she goes on CNN and discusses this because she's a contributor there.

00:38:51.440 And this was the question in response from Poppy Harlow.

00:38:55.080 It wasn't, my God, the irresponsibility of us all overstating this one.

00:38:59.920 By the way, we've all known this for two years.

00:39:02.520 Here's where she went. 0.98

00:39:03.580 And I just wonder if you're concerned for people at risk like that or other vulnerable groups

00:39:09.780 that this give can give fodder to to conspiracy theorists, to those who downplay COVID, to

00:39:17.620 anti-vaxxers.

00:39:19.120 I have had criticism on both sides.

00:39:21.640 I think at the end of the day, we just need the truth.

00:39:25.680 Yeah, that's the concern.

00:39:27.120 That would be nice.

00:39:28.100 Yeah.

00:39:28.380 What are the conspiracy theories the theorists or anti-vaxxers going to do with this,

00:39:32.600 Doc?

00:39:33.360 What do you make of it?

00:39:34.780 Megan, I know that you have spent a lot of time on your show talking about the downfall

00:39:38.800 of late night comedy and where did it go and why did it go away?

00:39:42.400 But who needs late night comedy when you have all this on daytime cable?

00:39:46.180 I mean, literally, the news is a it's the greatest comedy of the modern day.

00:39:51.320 It is incredible.

00:39:52.880 I can't imagine.

00:39:53.840 It goes back to our previous segment where we're talking about how they just sort of

00:39:57.040 present new facts as if nobody was talking about it the whole time.

00:39:59.900 They have a sociopathic ability to do so.

00:40:02.260 It's wild.

00:40:03.100 It is so incredible.

00:40:04.400 Like the brazenness of it is if the country hadn't occurred to anybody, you know, since

00:40:10.140 moment one, the COVID deaths were over counted.

00:40:13.560 I mean, like, do we not have a national discussion about that for two years?

00:40:16.840 And now she shows up and she's like, guys, I got I got some new information.

00:40:21.980 Sit down.

00:40:22.360 I have talked to at least two doctors and these people, they tell me the gunshot wounds, not

00:40:27.440 a COVID death.

00:40:28.140 You know, I'm taking criticism from both sides.

00:40:32.160 And I mean, I think that's part of the problem is we never did have a national conversation

00:40:35.880 on it, because if you did ask any questions, you were called a conspiracy theorist and you

00:40:40.700 could get banned off of Twitter.

00:40:42.020 You had Democrats who were saying that you were going to be responsible for a winter

00:40:46.660 of death.

00:40:48.160 So that's the way that anyone who asked any questions was treated.

00:40:51.920 And now they're wondering, oh, how did we not know about this?

00:40:54.360 We didn't.

00:40:55.020 Maybe if you allow open discussions, you can come to rational conclusions.

00:40:58.580 And that wild idea.

00:40:59.200 And that's the most fascinating part at the end of that clip, right?

00:41:02.420 Is this going to give fodder to conspiracy theorists who are right all who are right all

00:41:06.820 along, obviously.

00:41:07.960 And what you come to find out is that those terms like conspiracy theorist or anti-vaxxer

00:41:13.280 or whatever for the vast majority, their use case in mainstream media is just to preserve

00:41:18.320 their role as gatekeeper.

00:41:19.640 Bingo.

00:41:19.940 It doesn't matter that they were wrong.

00:41:21.600 They get when they're ready to tell you the truth.

00:41:23.820 That's when you get to accept it.

00:41:25.360 And if you ever doubt that, they will de-platform you.

00:41:28.860 They will call you a conspiracy theorist.

00:41:30.720 Well, wait until these guys get a load of the fact that you can still get COVID after

00:41:34.100 you get vaccinated.

00:41:34.980 They're really getting surprised by that.

00:41:37.060 That's going to be a shocking conspiracy.

00:41:39.140 We've heard of this new thing, guys.

00:41:40.760 Yeah.

00:41:40.940 It's called natural immunity.

00:41:43.100 Can you believe this?

00:41:45.300 Nobody told us about this.

00:41:46.860 It turns out if you wear three masks and you get the shot, it's still possible.

00:41:52.220 It's really unbelievable. 0.95

00:41:53.400 It's really disgusting.

00:41:54.140 And these same people who are trying to, like, force the vaccines on everybody because,

00:41:58.000 you know, OK, you're going to die if you don't take it.

00:42:00.380 Oh, wait, maybe not. 0.99

00:42:01.100 Maybe you just got shot by a gun.

00:42:03.000 They're now in court right now, the Biden administration, trying to make us wear masks

00:42:06.260 again on airplanes.

00:42:07.980 Remember?

00:42:08.660 Remember how that went away?

00:42:09.980 There was a judge in Florida who said this is not constitutional.

00:42:12.660 He didn't have the powers to do this.

00:42:14.800 And the Biden administration appealed it, that ruling to this.

00:42:19.380 Remember all the videos of the people on the airplanes?

00:42:20.960 Like, yes, ripping the masks off.

00:42:23.540 It was in response to that ruling.

00:42:24.680 So it's now up to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers Florida, among other

00:42:30.400 places.

00:42:30.960 And Biden administration went in there on Tuesday to argue we did have the power and it should

00:42:35.940 be reinstated.

00:42:36.800 And now that's that's up for grabs.

00:42:38.340 That could they could be coming back now because, you know, Biden just extended the emergency

00:42:42.360 declaration quietly last week.

00:42:44.580 So he's still got his national emergency powers and he's in court right now saying, let me

00:42:48.620 mask the people up again on the buses and the trains and the subways.

00:42:51.820 It's my power.

00:42:52.660 And it's it's for the good of the nation.

00:42:55.540 It says something, though, about the silos of information that these people live in.

00:42:59.320 Right.

00:42:59.540 I mean, the idea that you can go to court and try to now overturn it to get everybody to

00:43:04.420 wear masks again is crazy enough on its face.

00:43:07.460 But the idea that even if they won that court decision, that anybody's going to listen to

00:43:10.940 it in this country is it's madness.

00:43:13.220 Right.

00:43:13.660 I mean, it's like, I don't know.

00:43:14.920 Talk to your neighbor.

00:43:15.740 Ask if they're interested in putting a five year old in a mask again.

00:43:18.740 Yeah.

00:43:18.920 I tell you.

00:43:19.360 I'm going to tell you to have off pretty fast.

00:43:20.980 Talk to some parent who's gone through this winter where RSV cases are like seven X what

00:43:26.740 they were in twenty nineteen as a result of us masking kids for two years.

00:43:31.080 You destroyed any sort of herd immunity that we had for these other viruses.

00:43:35.380 I mean, it has been a tough, tough winter for parents with small kids as one of them.

00:43:40.340 I know it's just been horrible.

00:43:41.460 And the idea I would ever put kids back into a mask is insane.

00:43:46.400 You know, CNN now is putting her up is like newsflash breaking news.

00:43:50.980 They're overstating the covid deaths.

00:43:52.820 And, you know, it's possible that it's not quite as deadly as we all led you to believe

00:43:58.060 right for years.

00:43:59.340 Right.

00:43:59.820 Because she doesn't put it like that because that requires some accountability.

00:44:03.040 But this is I'll take you again down memory lane back to CNN September twenty twenty one,

00:44:10.020 where people were raising these questions on the right.

00:44:13.400 Are we're being fed these astronomical numbers of covid deaths?

00:44:16.840 Are they reliable?

00:44:17.840 Are they are we've been asking on the right and independent media?

00:44:20.980 For two years now of covid or with covid because it matters and complaining that we

00:44:26.800 weren't getting those distinctions from hospitals and doctors releasing the numbers and that

00:44:30.760 the rest of the media wasn't demanding said distinctions because the failure to distinguish

00:44:35.140 was changing our lives, our children's lives in very meaningful and profound ways.

00:44:40.280 And in response to those of us in the media, like you guys, like this show, like many other

00:44:45.620 shows asking those questions, but none in the mainstream here was Don LeMond, September

00:44:51.440 twenty twenty one.

00:44:52.900 Yes.

00:44:53.800 The people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the Internet instead

00:44:58.880 of science.

00:44:59.600 It's time to start shaming that what else or leave them behind.

00:45:05.420 Oh, it's a nice touch to have Cuomo in there, too.

00:45:08.120 I mean, I miss I miss you.

00:45:09.260 You're welcome.

00:45:09.780 Glory days.

00:45:10.540 It was the best of the best.

00:45:12.920 It's true.

00:45:13.520 Oh, I heard you guys.

00:45:14.500 You guys were playing a clip from the World Economic Forum and you saw the potato.

00:45:18.080 You call him the potato.

00:45:19.640 It was exciting.

00:45:20.720 I miss him, you know, the whole cast and crew.

00:45:25.020 I think what's really funny is, you know, when we started talking about this on Ruthless,

00:45:31.780 you know, two years ago, you went on Spotify and suddenly they were putting a covid banner

00:45:38.220 on all of our episodes so that people wouldn't be misinformed.

00:45:42.100 Yeah.

00:45:42.620 You know, about what was happening with their country, you know, because people like Don

00:45:46.600 Lemon go on national television and complain about people who are spreading misinformation.

00:45:50.720 Turns out we were all right.

00:45:52.420 So, like, where is our compensation for that?

00:45:54.840 You know, where do we go to to get made made whole on revenue lost or whatever?

00:46:00.440 Well, I understand that the task forces out in San Francisco are very generous with the

00:46:04.340 public's money.

00:46:04.920 Maybe you could go to them.

00:46:06.040 Go to San Francisco, the reparations committee.

00:46:08.820 That was we should be in line for reparations.

00:46:11.260 There's no question about that.

00:46:12.680 I think I think we all know exactly where where they're going to tell us we can go if we

00:46:16.780 come looking for something.

00:46:18.720 Yeah, I.

00:46:19.320 Well, they're going to be as accountable on this as they were on the disinformation experts,

00:46:23.340 the intelligence experts on the hundred Biden laptop.

00:46:26.080 That's exact.

00:46:26.820 There's no accountability for these people.

00:46:28.440 They're just there just never has been any accountability for them.

00:46:31.260 And the only accountability is people not watching them.

00:46:35.100 Right.

00:46:35.900 Well, this will vote by not turn on the TV.

00:46:38.060 This gets to this gets to a question that actually occurred to me.

00:46:41.040 What is the profile of a person who is out there in the CNN audience, which we all know

00:46:46.560 is shrinking?

00:46:47.420 What is the profile of a person who was watching yesterday and saw the segment and was like,

00:46:51.640 wow, you know what?

00:46:55.320 I'm going to take my mask off.

00:46:56.900 They're over counting.

00:46:58.000 I'm I'm free.

00:47:00.120 I mean, like free at last.

00:47:01.860 I thought the exact same thing.

00:47:04.660 It's like, what enclave are you residing in where this is news? 1.00

00:47:10.080 You're like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:47:11.420 You mean it's not killing everybody? 1.00

00:47:12.940 I think kids, kids come out of the den. 1.00

00:47:15.780 Get your ass off. 1.00

00:47:17.220 It's unbelievable. 1.00

00:47:18.300 We're free.

00:47:18.820 Yeah, I'm not a big believer in red flag laws, but if we have a red flag law in the 0.92

00:47:23.180 country, it would be it should be for somebody who was surprised by that information.

00:47:27.080 No, I guarantee you the vast majority of their audience saw that and they were like, oh, no,

00:47:31.500 Leanna Wendt's been co-opted by the right.

00:47:33.960 She's a right winger now.

00:47:35.600 She's spreading disinformation. 1.00

00:47:36.880 This is dangerous.

00:47:37.900 This should be censored.

00:47:39.380 By the way, I have I have an update on just how poorly that these networks are doing and

00:47:45.200 you're going to be really interested in it.

00:47:46.560 But that's that's what we call a tease. 1.00

00:47:48.040 I'm going to keep you over to hear the actual bloodbath numbers that are happening right

00:47:52.600 now as a result of coverage like that.

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00:48:49.420 I'm going to give you an update on the rating situation, and then we're going to have a

00:48:57.320 fun conversation, boys.

00:48:59.300 Okay.

00:48:59.840 Here's the latest.

00:49:01.080 MSNBC ratings.

00:49:02.340 This is just from last Friday.

00:49:03.980 Joy Reid.

00:49:04.480 Okay.

00:49:04.660 In the demo.

00:49:05.280 I'll just give you some perspective, okay?

00:49:06.940 Just not for nothing.

00:49:07.740 But we pulled October 2016 when I was hosting the Kelly File.

00:49:12.000 This is the demo, 25 to 54, right?

00:49:14.320 Not the overall household, which is always much bigger.

00:49:16.240 That back then would have been, I don't know, four to six million at that point.

00:49:22.380 Kelly File pulled in 641,000 in the average demo, okay?

00:49:26.380 That's on any given night, between 600,000 and 700,000.

00:49:30.200 Right now, I'll give them this.

00:49:32.680 It's not an election year, right?

00:49:33.860 October 16th, that was a hot, hot time, but it wasn't that inflated from where I normally

00:49:38.500 was.

00:49:39.560 Now, Joy Reid, 7 p.m., 96,000 in the key demo.

00:49:45.760 96.

00:49:46.940 Chris Hayes, 106.

00:49:49.440 Alex Wagner, the new Rachel Maddow, 82,000.

00:49:54.520 82.

00:49:55.260 Lawrence O'Donnell, 88,000.

00:49:57.720 CNN, not doing much better.

00:49:59.720 They're hovering around.

00:50:00.620 This is just Tuesday night of this week.

00:50:02.200 Anderson Cooper, 135,000, barely above.

00:50:06.680 11 p.m., whatever show they're putting on across from Gutfeld, 97,000.

00:50:11.100 Gutfeld is getting 346,000.

00:50:14.040 So three times, right, as much.

00:50:16.620 And there was reporting just this year, 2022 was the worst single year ever in the demo

00:50:23.940 and the overall for both MSNBC and CNN.

00:50:29.440 Well, something's wrong with the business model, folks.

00:50:30.980 You hate to see it, Megan.

00:50:33.180 You really hate to see it.

00:50:34.400 Couldn't happen to a better group of people.

00:50:36.560 They tried so hard.

00:50:37.360 And, you know, it helps.

00:50:38.240 You have literally hundreds, if not thousands of people working on set designs and all these

00:50:42.440 things.

00:50:42.820 We got four beat offs with a USB mic inside of our computer.

00:50:48.420 And somehow we're dominating.

00:50:49.960 Look at our signed tape to the television.

00:50:52.720 Real professional operation.

00:50:54.320 Think about, like, Steven Crowder, right?

00:50:58.200 He's come on the program.

00:50:59.640 He's hilarious.

00:51:00.660 He's got, like, almost 7 million followers on YouTube.

00:51:04.520 Almost 7 million.

00:51:06.120 He's crushing these guys.

00:51:08.460 You guys are crushing them. 0.99

00:51:09.260 I am crushing them with ease.

00:51:11.440 But it's like it just it's a further example of how, like, the game has changed.

00:51:15.700 The game is over here.

00:51:17.040 It's in our lane, in independent media, in digital media, these old dinosaurs are dead

00:51:23.140 and they don't even know it.

00:51:25.240 Yeah, that's such a good point.

00:51:26.780 I mean, look, just media consumption in general is changing all the time.

00:51:29.840 You know, I mean, you're an expert at this.

00:51:32.280 But but what's so fascinating is it the new innovation has sort of come with this reduced

00:51:37.460 credibility and a commitment to the bit by these guys.

00:51:41.020 Right.

00:51:41.500 So not only is it not objective and it just sort of tailors towards your ideology, but

00:51:47.000 it's also just wrong.

00:51:48.240 Right.

00:51:48.840 And then in addition to that, it's super not entertaining.

00:51:51.500 Right.

00:51:51.860 Right. 0.99

00:51:52.640 Where it's like you're just a bunch of scolds sitting around. 0.98

00:51:55.280 Right.

00:51:55.420 When you're thinking about it from an audience perspective, other than the ideologues out

00:52:00.200 there, the average person who turns and tunes into the news, they want information.

00:52:04.860 They want to know that it's honest.

00:52:06.000 They want to know that it's accurate because they don't have a very, very big period of time

00:52:09.800 that they can watch and consume.

00:52:11.620 So they just want to get some information and be able to tell their friends.

00:52:14.640 And you cannot get that from CNN.

00:52:16.580 You can't get from NPR.

00:52:17.960 We just heard that over and over and over again, just on this show on one subject.

00:52:23.720 I mean, what I think ended up happening, especially at CNN, is when President Trump took office,

00:52:30.440 they essentially mortgaged their future on betting that we can just create an audience whose

00:52:37.140 entire personality is being mad at Trump, that they're being mad at the fact that President

00:52:41.180 Trump is in the White House.

00:52:42.400 So they rode this kind of like sugar high during the Trump years.

00:52:46.520 They all were getting their book deals.

00:52:48.360 They all were trying to make themselves look like they're journalists who are the guardians

00:52:52.740 of truth in America, standing against tyranny and absolutism.

00:52:56.440 And now President Trump's not in the White House and they have no idea what to do, because

00:53:01.460 if the only reason you're a deranged individual watching this channel is because I want to

00:53:06.260 see what President Trump did today and get angry.

00:53:08.320 You don't have that anymore.

00:53:09.700 Right.

00:53:09.720 You're just renting them for a couple of years.

00:53:11.540 They don't actually care about you or your host or what you're providing them.

00:53:15.700 And so CNN gave up their they had built up during the first Persian Gulf War, their entire

00:53:19.840 reputation of, OK, you're going to see Wolf Blitzer with Scud missiles flying over his

00:53:23.600 head that this is hard hitting journalism.

00:53:25.980 That's all gone.

00:53:26.960 They mortgaged all of that.

00:53:28.120 They gave it all away for this short term sugar high of just being deranged about President

00:53:32.480 Trump.

00:53:32.800 And now now 80,000 people watching.

00:53:35.480 That's unbelievable.

00:53:36.260 I saw a statistic where Tucker Carlson's rerun at 1 a.m.

00:53:40.860 is crushing any of the ratings on those other.

00:53:43.100 It always it always did.

00:53:44.960 It was always the same for O'Reilly, for me, for Greta, for Hannity, that our reruns always

00:53:48.960 crushed everybody.

00:53:49.680 It got to the point where we never even looked at MSNBC or CNN.

00:53:51.980 We only looked at each other as competition because everybody else is boring.

00:53:55.280 It was like nobody was else was even close.

00:53:57.500 And Fox is still doing fine.

00:53:59.320 But these other their business model on these people who have gone hardcore partisan, anti

00:54:03.860 Trump, anti Republicans. 0.99

00:54:05.120 We hate you. 1.00

00:54:05.720 We loathe you. 0.99

00:54:06.460 If you watch Fox News, you don't walk away saying they hate me if I'm a Democrat. 0.98

00:54:09.520 You don't.

00:54:10.640 There's so many Democrats watch Fox News.

00:54:12.520 And honestly, we'll watch programs like yours and my and mine, too, because they know we don't

00:54:16.660 hate them.

00:54:17.200 You know, we're we hate what some on the far left are doing to our country and we'll stand

00:54:21.560 up against it.

00:54:22.300 But the whole business model is not revolved or revolves.

00:54:25.220 It doesn't revolve around ruination over an entire group of half the country.

00:54:30.180 Right.

00:54:30.360 That's not how it is.

00:54:31.080 But that's what MSNBC and CNN did.

00:54:33.080 And I said that they're dead dinosaur.

00:54:34.640 You know what?

00:54:34.900 They're more like they're more like the car.

00:54:37.380 They're they are like the deer that gets hit by the car and it runs for another 50 yards

00:54:42.760 before it knows it's dead.

00:54:46.440 Talk about ruthless.

00:54:48.520 They're in their last 50 yards.

00:54:52.040 Oh, my God.

00:54:53.020 That's a bit like cutting the head off the chicken and watching it run around a little

00:54:56.080 bit.

00:54:56.440 Yeah, no, it kind of feels right.

00:54:57.840 I mean, I've talked to a bunch of friends in sort of journalism, corporate journalism

00:55:04.560 while this was happening.

00:55:06.060 Right.

00:55:06.280 And you noticed that their social media following during the Trump years went from, you know,

00:55:12.200 sort of a higher educated, higher minded, like people who read The Washington Post, New

00:55:15.440 York Times generally, you know, 10 years ago to entirely left wing activists to the

00:55:21.960 point where, like, if you ever tweeted something that they retweeted, your timeline was just

00:55:26.260 filled with psychopaths. 0.80

00:55:27.760 Right. 0.87

00:55:28.500 So you can watch it happen in real time.

00:55:30.660 And you realize that they were just narrowing the sliver of their appeal to one segment

00:55:35.620 of the population that at some point when the candy was gone, it was gone.

00:55:40.960 It was all over.

00:55:41.920 I mean, they knew what was happening at the time, but they still just could not get out

00:55:46.520 of the need to try to maximize that moment.

00:55:48.940 Yeah, it's sort of their dead cat bounce.

00:55:50.600 Right.

00:55:50.820 Like, that's what the Trump administration was for these people, because I think the writing

00:55:53.720 has been on the wall about media ecosystem fracturing to things like podcasts and streaming

00:55:58.660 and all of this for a very long time.

00:56:00.520 This was the one thing that prolonged, I think, their their demise.

00:56:04.320 But I think it wasn't just the partisanship.

00:56:07.200 Obviously, this kind of goes hand in hand, but it's also the trust factor.

00:56:10.620 And I think covid has revealed that now because these folks, as they're sort of seeing their

00:56:16.080 numbers go down, have looked to things like, you know, alternative media like Ruthless or

00:56:20.820 Megyn Kelly and been like, well, you just can't trust those people.

00:56:23.440 Yeah, we need a rating system for media and we need to impose on these social media platforms

00:56:29.500 and, you know, a change to their algorithm that prioritizes trusted content like ours.

00:56:34.580 Yeah.

00:56:34.760 Where's where is their argument for that now?

00:56:37.100 It's nowhere.

00:56:38.040 Right.

00:56:38.220 They never as they cash their checks from Pfizer.

00:56:41.540 Right.

00:56:42.280 Right.

00:56:42.600 They never question.

00:56:44.360 They never question their assumptions.

00:56:46.080 And I think that that is that is one of their biggest Achilles.

00:56:49.240 And if you look at like every everybody in their audience went to elementary school, everybody

00:56:53.520 learned about the scientific method.

00:56:55.540 Everybody knew that the first step in the scientific method is observe and question.

00:56:59.740 And so when they hear covid news and they're like, oh, no, you're not allowed to ask that

00:57:03.300 question.

00:57:03.960 You're not allowed to offer that observation.

00:57:05.560 You just have to take this bureaucrat's word for what you're supposed to do to yourself

00:57:10.120 and to your children.

00:57:11.220 And by the way, responsibility.

00:57:12.500 Exactly.

00:57:12.940 By the way, shut down your business and be happy about it.

00:57:15.800 And if you if if you complain, you're the problem.

00:57:19.240 Yeah.

00:57:19.480 You know what I mean?

00:57:19.960 Like like people are tired of that.

00:57:22.100 They're like, OK, well, maybe my ideas aren't always the right ones.

00:57:25.040 Maybe somebody else has the right idea.

00:57:26.880 That's what they want to be a part of.

00:57:29.120 So they insult the viewing public by taking somebody like Don Lamont with that absurd

00:57:34.520 soundbite, which, you know, I mean, we could run twenty five of those just off the top

00:57:38.340 of my head of him saying things like that and mocking the right and all that stuff.

00:57:41.780 But now he's on the morning show, like literally wearing a sweatshirt with a jacket over it.

00:57:47.820 Like it's this is the new relaxed Don Lamont who's like morning Don Lamont, who's going

00:57:52.400 to be, I guess, more fair Don Lamont.

00:57:54.500 So far, no evidence of that whatsoever.

00:57:56.980 Don Lime.

00:57:58.020 And they think we're not going to remember a dad joke.

00:58:10.720 It's probably why I like it so much.

00:58:12.280 They think we're not going to remember.

00:58:13.040 OK, let's move on, because I have a couple of stories I need to get to with you.

00:58:16.300 Stormy Daniels back in the news, boys.

00:58:18.700 Yes, she is.

00:58:20.060 She was the porn star with whom Trump allegedly had an affair.

00:58:23.760 Where Michael Cohen went to jail, you may remember, over the payments he made to Stormy

00:58:31.480 Daniels of one hundred and thirty thousand bucks to keep her quiet in advance of Trump's

00:58:36.840 presidential contest in twenty sixteen.

00:58:39.760 And he wound up pleading guilty and said, OK, fine, I did it.

00:58:43.700 I paid her off to keep her quiet.

00:58:45.560 She was represented by Avenatti and Michael Cohen at the time when he first got into hot

00:58:50.320 water for this illegal campaign competition, which ultimately he agreed it was.

00:58:55.180 He was represented by this guy, David Schwartz.

00:58:59.320 OK, and initially Michael Cohen's position was, as it had been for so many years, Donald

00:59:05.100 Trump did nothing wrong.

00:59:06.320 It was all me.

00:59:07.160 It was all me.

00:59:07.960 I was his fixer.

00:59:08.860 I was his Ray Donovan.

00:59:10.280 Donald Trump didn't know anything about it.

00:59:12.060 And then ultimately he changed his tune.

00:59:14.880 You remember, like, the sad Michael Cohen had been kicked out of the Trump orbit, who

00:59:19.820 now was like, it was all Trump.

00:59:21.640 It was all Trump.

00:59:22.860 So Michael Cohen went to jail.

00:59:24.460 Now the New York prosecutor is once again resuming this inquiry.

00:59:30.200 The D.A.'s office, Manhattan D.A., working with Michael Cohen to try to get him to say

00:59:39.000 again his new line, which is it was all Trump.

00:59:41.400 It wasn't me.

00:59:43.000 Trump knew all about it because they're trying to get Trump on this.

00:59:46.520 Trump's got seven different investigations going into him.

00:59:49.440 But this Manhattan D.A.'s office is the latest favorite.

00:59:52.140 Try to get him on this payment to Stormy Daniel by using Michael Cohen.

00:59:56.740 I'm going to take you down through memory lane when that guy, David Schwartz, Michael

01:00:00.160 Cohen's lawyer, came on my show speaking for Michael Cohen and had a very different message

01:00:06.240 at NBC.

01:00:06.840 This was about whether Trump knew anything about this, which I challenged him on.

01:00:11.400 Listen.

01:00:12.820 And you are claiming that Michael Cohen, the president's lawyer and fixer, Ray Donovan character,

01:00:17.500 never, ever told Donald Trump about it.

01:00:19.620 Never, never, never told him.

01:00:20.800 And Michael Cohen dispensed $130,000 of his own money and never sought reimbursement from

01:00:25.640 Donald Trump.

01:00:26.240 100 percent.

01:00:26.860 So the way.

01:00:27.620 No one believes that, David.

01:00:28.800 I'm challenging on the impossibility that he paid $130,000 for something he didn't do

01:00:36.780 and never sought reimbursement from his client.

01:00:39.360 When you're looking at it in a vacuum, but if you understand the relationship here, it makes

01:00:44.900 complete sense.

01:00:46.080 The truth is he loves the boss.

01:00:49.720 He did it out of love.

01:00:50.740 He did it.

01:00:52.880 Everybody should want an employee like this who would be so loyal, so loyal to your boss,

01:00:58.340 so loyal to your boss that you will protect that person.

01:01:02.600 You know what?

01:01:02.800 They're laughing at you.

01:01:03.840 It's easy.

01:01:04.400 It's easy.

01:01:04.800 It's easy.

01:01:07.520 Rude.

01:01:08.240 It's just a masterstroke, Megan.

01:01:10.460 One of the hallmarks of the entire Trump years, whether it was through Trump himself or everybody

01:01:18.680 sort of is horribly bad attorneys, like even Cohen himself, but like you can't turn around 0.98

01:01:27.380 without seeing another clown come on and misrepresent. 0.98

01:01:30.820 I mean, that was the funniest damn thing I've seen in a long time. 1.00

01:01:33.980 That guy, he actually believed that you would buy that bullshit story. 0.99

01:01:37.800 You know, I hesitate to repeat this. 0.99

01:01:39.600 I hesitate to repeat this, but a very good friend of mine is one of his attorneys, and

01:01:45.200 he told me that MAGA actually stands for making attorneys get attorneys.

01:01:52.400 That's exactly what this is.

01:01:54.140 Cohen, that's Cohen's lawyer.

01:01:55.460 Cohen's lawyer.

01:01:55.940 This is his lawyer.

01:01:56.760 And now Cohen is trying to convince or at least working with the Manhattan DA to try to put

01:02:01.500 this around Trump's neck as the real person behind the illegal campaign contribution, which

01:02:08.260 this would count as to Stormy Daniels.

01:02:10.300 It's going to be interesting.

01:02:11.240 They're not going to let him go.

01:02:12.880 They are going to have to let him go on the classified documents, but maybe they'll get

01:02:15.860 him on Stormy.

01:02:16.720 We'll see.

01:02:17.700 All right.

01:02:17.980 Turning the page, literally, to the Philadelphia Flyers.

01:02:21.860 Now, I was today years old when I found out that there are Canadian teams in the NHL.

01:02:26.700 I was like, why are all these Canadian broadcasters bitching about the NHL?

01:02:31.400 Stay in your lane. 1.00

01:02:32.040 Shut up. 1.00

01:02:32.820 I know nothing. 0.99

01:02:33.920 I love that so much.

01:02:36.620 That's a good question.

01:02:37.920 Megan, you will never believe this.

01:02:39.400 There's actually soccer in this country, too.

01:02:41.440 It's totally close to my mind, too.

01:02:44.160 I had no idea. 0.99

01:02:45.400 I'm like, shut up, Canadians. 1.00

01:02:47.520 But it turns out they have a right to complain because they're in the NHL, too. 0.99

01:02:50.220 So it shows that I know.

01:02:51.000 Um, Philadelphia Flyers are in midst in a controversy now because their defenseman,

01:02:55.880 Ivan Provorov, who is of Russian origins, um, he came from Russia to the United States

01:03:01.700 as a teenager.

01:03:02.680 He signed a six-year, $40 million deal in 2019 with the Philadelphia Flyers.

01:03:06.920 Good for him.

01:03:07.800 And the Flyers now, I guess, are going woke.

01:03:10.660 I don't know.

01:03:11.300 NHL.

01:03:11.880 Wokeness has come to the NHL, which, okay.

01:03:14.920 Um, and they decided that on Tuesday's game, during the pregame skate, um,

01:03:20.140 only, I guess, they were supposed to wear a pride-themed warm-up jersey.

01:03:26.120 Pride, because, you know, they've got to, like, stand up for gay rights and trans rights

01:03:29.480 before the hockey game gets started.

01:03:32.100 I guess this is going to change hearts and minds across America.

01:03:35.120 Very important.

01:03:35.560 And this guy said, I'm not doing it.

01:03:37.400 Not doing it.

01:03:37.820 He said, respectfully, he said, I'm of Russian Orthodox faith, and I respect everyone's

01:03:42.100 choices, but my choice is to stay true to myself and my religion, and that's all I'm

01:03:46.080 going to say.

01:03:46.440 Say, well, I mean, they're actual, there's some calls for him to be fired.

01:03:51.780 One guy was saying he should be shipped back to Russia and forced to fight against the Ukrainians.

01:03:56.420 Um, and then you have this guy.

01:03:58.000 On the NHL network.

01:03:59.240 Right?

01:03:59.880 So, so warm and fuzzy, uh, this crew.

01:04:02.680 Now, where's the guy?

01:04:03.780 I'm looking at my very lengthy soundbite list for the guy who had his meltdown, the Canadian 0.99

01:04:08.000 guy, Debbie.

01:04:08.680 Your people.

01:04:09.260 Canadian Debbie knows.

01:04:10.140 She knows them all.

01:04:11.360 What is it?

01:04:12.100 SOT 15.

01:04:13.180 I can't keep them all.

01:04:14.020 Okay.

01:04:14.420 Okay.

01:04:15.020 Canadian breakfast television.

01:04:17.380 This is breakfast television.

01:04:18.340 Imagine giving this dose to you over your morning tea.

01:04:21.980 Sid Sixero, who, for whatever it's worth, is straight, but woke, is very, very upset over

01:04:29.760 this.

01:04:30.360 Watch.

01:04:31.720 The theme from the National Hockey League is hockey is for everyone.

01:04:35.840 Okay? 0.97

01:04:37.920 The theme is not hockey is for everyone, dot, dot, dot, unless you don't believe in gay 1.00

01:04:43.820 rights, then do whatever you want.

01:04:45.480 Could change with the NHL.

01:04:46.520 I think you find the Flyers a million dollars for this.

01:04:48.400 I'm not kidding.

01:04:48.800 The National Hockey League need to attack this and figure this out.

01:04:53.480 Because what I heard last night was offensive.

01:04:57.200 If anyone in Canada or in the States on a military appreciation night wouldn't wear a

01:05:01.180 jersey pregame, do you have any idea the uproar that would have happened on that?

01:05:05.500 Do you have any idea the backlash?

01:05:07.120 And one last point.

01:05:08.780 Nothing scares me more than any human being who says, I'm not doing this because of my

01:05:12.580 religious beliefs.

01:05:13.720 The National Hockey League today needs to find that organization a million dollars and reevaluate

01:05:19.520 how they support gay rights because that is insulting. 1.00

01:05:23.060 That is the number one trending topic in Canada.

01:05:24.840 That is insulting what happened in Philadelphia.

01:05:27.760 Oh, my God.

01:05:29.860 Yeah.

01:05:30.180 I wonder if it's the number one trending topic in Canada because everybody shares his point

01:05:33.640 of view.

01:05:34.560 My guess is...

01:05:35.480 Yeah.

01:05:35.500 You're talking a boot.

01:05:37.140 A boot.

01:05:38.020 Could be.

01:05:39.060 I mean, that's a lot of the reaction was this is what it's like to be Canadian now.

01:05:42.060 Like to get lectured on wokeness at every turn and outrage when, you know, the guy's

01:05:47.620 got to be fined a million dollars for his religious beliefs.

01:05:50.500 OK, here's another sampling for you.

01:05:54.940 TSN, which is what is it again?

01:05:57.160 It's the Hockey Network.

01:05:58.100 I don't know.

01:05:58.820 It's the TSN, the Sports Network.

01:06:01.600 See, sorry.

01:06:03.200 The Sports Network has a commentator on hockey named Gord Miller, who tweeted out, Ivan Provorov

01:06:10.340 had the right to refuse to participate in Pride Night in Philadelphia.

01:06:14.180 The Flyers should have responded by not allowing him to play in the game.

01:06:18.220 Freedom of expression doesn't give you freedom from the consequences of your words or actions.

01:06:24.320 Hello, McFly. 1.00

01:06:26.140 If you if you penalize the speech that undermines free speech, what a dumbass. 0.99

01:06:32.960 Honestly, like, yeah, sure. 0.99

01:06:34.360 I'm sure every NFL hockey player will be sure to assert their religious objections in the

01:06:38.400 future if they have to be fined a million dollars or if they're not allowed to play in

01:06:41.820 the games.

01:06:42.500 That's not how free speech works. 0.97

01:06:44.620 And how about that dumb guy that we just played from morning television trying to compare 0.98

01:06:49.560 the service of veterans to flying a flag in support of ambiguous gay rights? 0.98

01:06:56.460 I don't even know what I'm supporting.

01:06:57.480 There's so many letters in there.

01:06:58.660 Am I supporting the LGB?

01:07:00.140 Am I supporting the T?

01:07:01.300 Because there's issues with the T that you don't have with the L and B and G. 0.97

01:07:03.960 That doesn't get me upset.

01:07:05.200 Like, how does this guy even know?

01:07:06.500 Who even knows what we're supporting?

01:07:07.560 I don't blame him for not wanting to wear the jersey.

01:07:10.360 Yeah.

01:07:11.020 The great irony is I guarantee you that that guy and probably everybody that's commented

01:07:16.620 on this had a strong opinion about Colin Kaepernick's ability to kneel and wanted all NFL football

01:07:23.760 players to show deference to that point of view by together in mass kneeling.

01:07:28.680 Right.

01:07:29.020 I mean, it's political statements.

01:07:31.160 Right.

01:07:31.380 What the left has done to every institution in this country that's worth anything is to

01:07:37.300 try to enforce a point of view through this kind of thing.

01:07:42.100 Right.

01:07:42.400 I mean, people went to go see a hockey game.

01:07:44.520 I doubt very much that they wanted everybody's political views as a part of that.

01:07:48.300 But that's what has happened to sports, as it did with entertainment.

01:07:52.280 Right.

01:07:52.980 You can't get an Oscar unless you have some left wing sort of narrative in your in your movie.

01:07:58.660 They did it in doing it with corporations.

01:08:00.520 We've talked a lot on your show about how corporations have been a part of this.

01:08:04.540 But this is the kind of thing that they're mainstreaming through sports now to tell a

01:08:09.220 fan.

01:08:10.600 If you don't believe exactly what we believe, you should be ostracized. 0.99

01:08:17.020 You should be shunned.

01:08:18.220 And the person who stood up for that should be fined a million dollars, probably sent back 0.86

01:08:22.560 to Russia and fight Ukraine.

01:08:24.160 Right.

01:08:24.180 Because his his argument can be flipped on its head so easily.

01:08:28.080 If hockey is for everyone, does that mean it's for Orthodox Christians or is it not

01:08:32.800 for Orthodox Christians?

01:08:34.180 Right.

01:08:34.580 Right.

01:08:35.020 Right.

01:08:35.220 So, you know, are they going to have a crucifix night and make everyone wear a crucifix?

01:08:40.040 And someone, you know, a Jewish player can't. 0.87

01:08:43.180 Is the is the Muslim player going to chug a beer because it's five to five cent beer night?

01:08:47.920 What if this had been a Muslim player object? 0.92

01:08:49.780 It's just absurd. 0.93

01:08:50.780 It's absurd.

01:08:51.280 It's absurd on its face.

01:08:52.720 What do you think, Duncan?

01:08:53.380 If this had been a Muslim player, Stephen L. Miller online was asking this question.

01:08:56.840 If this had been a Muslim player saying, I'm not going to support that, you think the

01:08:59.500 backlash would have been anywhere near this loud?

01:09:01.940 No, no, no, no.

01:09:04.000 Because then, you know, there's all these concentric circles in the woke agenda and

01:09:08.840 like they get a pass.

01:09:10.060 But like the white Christian guy does not get a pass because none of this is actually

01:09:14.200 logical.

01:09:14.940 All it is, is they want to enforce the ideology of the regime.

01:09:18.060 We went in this country from a place of tolerance and common decency to each other.

01:09:21.720 And like, we're not going to agree on everything.

01:09:23.400 And that's OK to know we have a regime ideology that we're going to enforce through media and

01:09:28.740 through now even sports.

01:09:29.860 They can't even give us that.

01:09:31.280 Right.

01:09:31.540 And if you are not in line with that, you will be punished.

01:09:35.040 You know, there's a guy who I don't always agree with.

01:09:37.480 He's he's off the left end, but I follow him on Twitter.

01:09:40.340 And I know, Megan, you talk to him from time to time.

01:09:43.280 And he is an advocate for gay rights.

01:09:47.260 His name is Glenn Greenwald.

01:09:48.660 And Glenn Greenwald tweeted about this.

01:09:50.900 He commented on this.

01:09:52.100 And you, Megan, you've talked about this on your show.

01:09:54.500 And what he said was, you know, I'm just paraphrasing here.

01:09:57.980 There's always been an internal debate.

01:09:59.760 But if you look at what the consensus view was, it never had anything to do with forcing

01:10:06.220 people to wear rainbow flags against their will or be publicly shamed for not doing it.

01:10:11.600 Right.

01:10:12.140 That's the point.

01:10:13.120 I mean, this is an activist.

01:10:14.180 It's I mean, I think it's 100 percent what has become of progressivism is it's almost

01:10:18.860 completely the same type of approach that the Maoists used during the Cultural Revolution

01:10:25.040 and their struggle sessions like you.

01:10:26.640 If you do not sufficiently celebrate what we tell you, you should face dire consequences

01:10:32.900 and be shunned from from the group.

01:10:34.380 You should put in an out group.

01:10:35.900 And that's the exact same way that they are enforcing their ideology on everybody right

01:10:39.240 now.

01:10:39.560 And it's sports.

01:10:41.040 For God's sake, they won't give it to us. 0.99

01:10:43.840 Well, I just want to watch a damn hockey game. 1.00

01:10:46.620 My life is full with this shit. 1.00

01:10:48.720 I just want to watch one hockey game. 1.00

01:10:50.220 No, not tonight, pal.

01:10:52.620 It's true.

01:10:53.840 No, it's true that I was listening to the guys on commentary podcast and they were saying

01:10:58.840 this was this reminds you of the the black squares on Instagram.

01:11:03.680 You know, the day that you're supposed to everybody's supposed to post a black square 0.99

01:11:06.940 for BLM.

01:11:07.820 And then people started shaming each other.

01:11:10.720 That's how that Jessica Mulroney, who's the daughter of the former Canadian prime minister, 1.00

01:11:14.920 her downfall professionally started there, if memory serves, because there was a person

01:11:19.660 of color with whom she did business, who saw she didn't post the black square and got

01:11:25.780 mad and was like, I really want to see that.

01:11:28.220 I want to see that go up.

01:11:30.180 And I think Jessica Mulroney decided not to do it for whatever reasons.

01:11:34.240 And I mean, who the hell did it?

01:11:36.060 Like only the most woke of the woke was a post in that stuff.

01:11:39.040 And then then it was a catfight. 0.99

01:11:41.580 And then this woman's like, and you did all this other shit to me and I'm a person of color. 1.00

01:11:44.300 And Jessica Mulroney was canceled from GMA and ABC and all these other deals. 0.99

01:11:47.940 So the thing is, you have to post the black square. 0.87

01:11:51.660 You have to wear the jersey.

01:11:53.480 If you are, it really is compelled speech.

01:11:57.100 And if the government were doing it, it would be blatantly illegal.

01:11:59.580 We're having cases like that decided every day in the age of this wokeness.

01:12:03.300 But it's also pernicious to have a private organization make you do it when, as you point

01:12:06.820 out, the guy signed up to play hockey.

01:12:09.100 Where in his deal does it say he's got to be the standard bearer for whoever's flavor of

01:12:13.620 the day?

01:12:15.040 Right.

01:12:15.160 Well, you know what, to play devil's advocate, it is solving all of our problems.

01:12:19.700 I mean, it actually is helping society come together.

01:12:22.480 This society has just never been more unified than it is today, thanks to the black squares 1.00

01:12:28.100 and the jerseys and everything else that they do.

01:12:30.140 Well, nothing, nothing is quite like crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge, like posting a black 1.00

01:12:35.180 square on Instagram.

01:12:36.140 It's literally the least you can do solidarity.

01:12:42.260 It's so listen to this woman. 0.98

01:12:44.260 Look, NHL writer, I mean, Rachel Melanta, she tweets out being LGBT plus again. 0.96

01:12:52.240 What's in there?

01:12:53.580 I got L. 0.91

01:12:54.520 I got G.

01:12:55.760 I got B.

01:12:57.520 T.

01:12:57.700 I think needs a separation because it's got a totally different fight going on that

01:13:01.760 even people in the L.

01:13:03.560 G.

01:13:03.860 B.

01:13:04.300 are objecting to.

01:13:05.540 I don't know what's in plus.

01:13:06.780 As a lawyer, I like to have clearly defined terms.

01:13:09.060 Plus is the streaming network.

01:13:09.840 Yeah.

01:13:10.040 OK.

01:13:10.380 Right.

01:13:10.640 It's a stream.

01:13:11.080 Who am I supporting in plus?

01:13:12.740 What is that?

01:13:13.780 OK.

01:13:14.080 It's not a choice, she says.

01:13:15.840 By the way.

01:13:16.560 OK.

01:13:17.000 It's not.

01:13:17.720 Are you sure?

01:13:18.580 Because I'm the messaging on the T is very different. 0.99

01:13:22.520 Being ignorant, obnoxious and homophobic is a choice. 0.96

01:13:26.540 Ivan Provorov wasn't wearing the uniform tonight and the flyers should not have let him play. 1.00

01:13:31.520 Stop letting bigots hide behind their cherry picked religion.

01:13:36.420 Do better.

01:13:37.000 Do better.

01:13:38.200 Don't let him.

01:13:38.700 He's a bigot because he won't don because that's what his church.

01:13:43.000 What doesn't support the fact that a girl can become a boy or a boy can become a girl. 0.51

01:13:47.240 That's Christianity. 0.86

01:13:48.520 Yeah.

01:13:48.780 Hello.

01:13:49.460 That's sorry.

01:13:50.980 So we're all bigots.

01:13:52.000 If you share that basic belief that you can't change your gender bigot, you shouldn't be

01:13:56.100 allowed to play your chosen.

01:13:57.280 You know, his 40 million contract gone.

01:14:00.700 I mean, who's cherry picking the religion? 0.98

01:14:03.300 Is it the guy who's Russian Orthodox or is it the lady who's just a deranged white liberal 0.98

01:14:07.860 lady on the Internet? 1.00

01:14:10.180 Right.

01:14:10.560 One of them cherry picked a religion that they now was topping off the fourth glass of

01:14:15.320 Chardonnay.

01:14:15.880 She doesn't.

01:14:16.860 Right.

01:14:17.160 I mean, that's the thing is that nothing has anything to do with gay rights.

01:14:21.600 Right.

01:14:22.240 It just says the black square had nothing to do with civil rights.

01:14:26.220 It's all a theatrical production to try to shame people into conforming to whatever you

01:14:32.000 say.

01:14:32.560 This theatrical protection actually does.

01:14:35.660 Right.

01:14:35.980 Because it doesn't actually make anybody's life actually better.

01:14:39.340 I mean, I don't know what the purpose of all.

01:14:41.600 I guess inclusion hockey is for everyone.

01:14:43.600 Like, look, do what you need to do.

01:14:45.460 But don't be surprised when you cause more problems than you attempted to solve here.

01:14:49.540 Right.

01:14:49.880 Which is what's what this is all about.

01:14:51.520 Why we're talking about it.

01:14:53.220 Don't.

01:14:53.580 Right now, the league is standing behind him.

01:14:56.360 And so is the coach.

01:14:58.140 The league is saying.

01:15:01.040 Hold on.

01:15:01.720 I want to.

01:15:02.140 The coach says, OK.

01:15:04.400 That the Russian defenseman was true to himself and to his religion.

01:15:07.300 That's one thing I respect about him.

01:15:08.860 He's always true to himself.

01:15:10.800 The NFL says players are free to decide which initiatives to support and goes on from there.

01:15:16.140 So NHL, whatever, you know, whatever the hockey people they're on the side of your big hockey.

01:15:22.480 That sounds like.

01:15:25.180 No, I had this infamous interview with Aaron Andrews, who I love and think she's great.

01:15:29.700 And she married a guy from the NHL, very respected player, Jared and stole.

01:15:35.620 And when I was interviewing, I'm like, so you you you married a guy from the NBA.

01:15:42.500 No, no.

01:15:46.820 Or let's end the show on a positive note.

01:15:49.460 We did this story with the guys from the fifth column last week.

01:15:53.900 It was what's happening at Hamlin University, which is in Minnesota.

01:16:00.060 And there was a professor there, an adjunct professor, Erica Lopez Prater, who made the mistake, quote unquote mistake. 1.00

01:16:05.820 Of showing an image of Mohammed in her art class.

01:16:10.360 And she gave a trigger warning. 0.66

01:16:12.260 She said in the syllabus she was going to do it.

01:16:14.280 She told everybody that morning she was going to do it.

01:16:16.060 She gave people two minute warning saying it's going to happen in two minutes if you want to get up and walk out.

01:16:19.800 You know, because some some Muslims object to any depictions of Mohammed, as you guys know, as the world knows.

01:16:26.360 And so she knew.

01:16:27.300 But it was apparently this image that she showed was like, you cannot teach an art history class without showing this.

01:16:32.780 And she got fired. 0.97

01:16:34.580 The university fired her.

01:16:35.840 One person who happened to be the head of the Muslim Student Association who was in the class who got all the warnings said, I was blindsided.

01:16:42.540 She popped it up there.

01:16:43.480 I was blindsided.

01:16:44.660 How?

01:16:45.340 How?

01:16:45.800 Did you not pay attention to anything? 0.86

01:16:47.040 And basically pushed to get her fired, saying, as a Muslim and a black person, I don't feel like I belong.

01:16:53.000 I don't feel like I belong.

01:16:54.020 And this community doesn't value me as a member.

01:16:56.340 Didn't show me the same respect I show them.

01:16:58.580 Okay.

01:16:59.180 It worked.

01:17:00.160 They caved.

01:17:01.020 And she got booted.

01:17:02.660 Well, good for this professor.

01:17:05.260 After she fought back and she filed a lawsuit, this just happened.

01:17:11.620 So she got a lawyer quick, filed a lawsuit saying, you subjected me to religious discrimination and defamation.

01:17:17.380 You damaged my personal, my professional reputation. 0.98

01:17:20.060 You called me Islamophobic, you lunatic university administrators. 0.99

01:17:23.840 And they caved. 1.00

01:17:25.280 She was so right.

01:17:26.620 They had no choice.

01:17:27.840 The university now has come out and said, recent communications, articles, and opinion pieces have led the school to review and re-examine our actions.

01:17:39.380 Like all organizations, sometimes we misstep.

01:17:42.580 And here's the final.

01:17:43.840 In the interest of hearing from and supporting our Muslim students, language was used that does not reflect our sentiments on academic freedom.

01:17:51.480 Because they had said academic freedom is outweighed by our deference to these Muslim students who are complaining.

01:17:58.120 And they say it doesn't reflect our actual sentence on academic freedom.

01:18:02.620 Based on all that we have learned, we've determined that our usage of the term Islamophobic was therefore flawed.

01:18:11.220 It was flawed.

01:18:13.480 So this is waving the white flag.

01:18:15.640 Don't go to this university, people.

01:18:17.760 Do not go to Hamlin University.

01:18:19.200 But I do think it's a testament to the power of the law and fighting back against these wokesters when they overstep by taking your job or demonizing you unfairly with a really well-skilled lawyer. 1.00

01:18:33.840 What do you think?

01:18:35.280 Yeah, totally.

01:18:36.160 And don't be afraid, right?

01:18:37.820 I mean, don't be afraid to push back on something that's so clearly wrong.

01:18:41.180 I mean, you do this on your program every day.

01:18:43.680 And we try to do it on Ruthless, too.

01:18:45.860 It's what they tell you you can't do, right?

01:18:47.500 It's all about trying to intimidate you out of actually having any rights of your own, right?

01:18:53.060 They want to control the narrative.

01:18:54.360 They want to control what's right and wrong.

01:18:56.340 Heaven forbid you step on somebody's toes.

01:18:58.340 But my second observation on this, to be honest with you, imagine the life that this student is going to lead when they are unable to continue in a class.

01:19:09.080 After the syllabus and everything else had told somebody that this is going to happen, and they have – their recourse instinctively is to try to get the person fired, right?

01:19:20.720 That they're so offended that they can't go on.

01:19:23.760 I got to be honest with you.

01:19:24.780 The rest of this person's life is going to be full of disappointments, full of disappointments, because it gets a lot harder than that.

01:19:31.200 It certainly does.

01:19:33.880 It's a really good point.

01:19:34.960 The left literally just wants to get people fired.

01:19:37.820 I mean, if we look at the parallels between the situation with the hockey league and the situation with this university, the left wants the guy playing hockey to get fired.

01:19:47.140 And he's like, no, I respect everything.

01:19:48.720 I just didn't want to wear it.

01:19:49.820 He's like, that's – you know, my religion says I shouldn't wear it, so I'm not going to wear it.

01:19:53.220 So, like, this teacher said, if you want to – if you don't want to look at it, leave the class.

01:20:00.200 You know?

01:20:00.500 It's like she's going bending over backwards to help out because she wants to be sensitive.

01:20:05.180 And the left's like, no, fire her. 0.99

01:20:07.120 Like, not enough. 0.63

01:20:08.260 Fire the hockey player.

01:20:09.500 But you know what?

01:20:10.460 The hockey player, if you look on the NHL website, his jerseys, they're sold out.

01:20:15.420 And I'm guessing that this teacher is going to do very well.

01:20:18.180 Oh, maybe I'll get one.

01:20:20.100 Maybe I'll get my first NHL jersey.

01:20:24.280 You really should.

01:20:25.500 You really should.

01:20:26.240 Your season tickets will be in the mail.

01:20:27.700 No question about it.

01:20:28.540 Can I tell you guys?

01:20:29.200 I went – our friends took us to a hockey game the other week.

01:20:32.860 You know, they're kids.

01:20:33.900 And we were watching.

01:20:34.660 I happened to be standing next to the mom who was in charge of the music. 1.00

01:20:37.640 Like, whenever there's a timeout or there's a break, she has to play the music.

01:20:41.180 You know, and it's always like ACDC or something rough.

01:20:43.020 And it was great stuff.

01:20:43.760 And I was like, God, that's a lot of pressure.

01:20:45.000 You know, I got to watch the game every second.

01:20:46.220 And I was joking with her, like, wouldn't it be great if you just mixed it up?

01:20:50.260 And instead of like, you know, ACDC, you played like Xanadu.

01:20:59.020 All the fans stop and collectively look towards the box.

01:21:02.380 And what they see is all these like wine moms up there like Xanadu. 0.92

01:21:07.640 And the players down on the ice are like, what the hell is happening?

01:21:11.260 A girl can dream.

01:21:13.620 Guys, always a pleasure.

01:21:15.620 Everyone needs to go and download the Ruthless podcast because you can get this goodness.

01:21:20.780 Not every day, but a lot of days of your life.

01:21:22.780 And you should.

01:21:23.700 Thanks for being here.

01:21:24.960 Thank you, Megan.

01:21:25.600 Thank you.

01:21:25.720 Thank you.

01:21:26.300 First, I want to tell you about something great that's happening for somebody who you likely know.

01:21:34.800 And she happens to be one of my closest friends, Janice Dean.

01:21:37.980 JD has a new book out and it's called I Am the Storm.

01:21:42.180 Get it?

01:21:42.520 Because she's a meteorologist.

01:21:43.460 She reports on the storm.

01:21:44.440 But this book is about people who actually are storms in a good way, not Stormy Daniels, other kinds of storms.

01:21:51.940 The full title is I Am the Storm, inspiring stories of people who fight against overwhelming odds.

01:21:57.840 These are David and Goliath stories, full of stories about real people who go through difficult times and stand up for what they believe in.

01:22:04.920 That, of course, includes Janice Dean and her own experience.

01:22:08.160 As you know, she may or may know, in 2020, she lost both of her in-laws, poor Sean, losing both of his parents due to COVID.

01:22:15.600 They were in New York nursing homes.

01:22:17.760 And, of course, the policies of Governor Andrew Cuomo led to the deaths of between 12,000 and 15,000 people who were stuck in those nursing homes.

01:22:25.920 And they weren't allowed to test for COVID.

01:22:27.900 The people were stuffed together.

01:22:29.260 It had been highlighted for him that this is going to lead to massive death and disease.

01:22:33.260 And he didn't listen.

01:22:34.180 The fight that Janice led next against one of the most powerful families in America led to her becoming a household name. 0.66

01:22:41.540 And she's talked about it on this show.

01:22:42.860 But it's not just Janice.

01:22:44.940 There are tons of inspirational stories in the book, which I know you'll love, including this one she talked about on Fox & Friends yesterday morning.

01:22:52.920 A lot of people don't know this story.

01:22:55.940 There's a young woman who took a job at a post office at a lighthouse in a very remote part of Ireland.

01:23:01.080 And she was the one that documented the forecast that was given to our Allied forces that delayed D-Day.

01:23:07.700 So I wanted to read you an excerpt from that.

01:23:09.480 Please do.

01:23:09.920 OK.

01:23:10.220 The Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force in England was forwarded her weather reports, which were checked and double-checked.

01:23:17.160 And when asked if her forecast was accurate, Maureen said it was.

01:23:21.000 The rest is history.

01:23:23.260 General Eisenhower decided to postpone D-Day by one day.

01:23:27.400 Ted and Maureen, Ted was her boyfriend at the time, then became her husband.

01:23:30.680 They had no idea of the gravity of their reporting.

01:23:33.440 If it weren't for their accurate prediction, Allied forces would have gone ahead on the 5th, and the invasion would have been a disaster.

01:23:40.980 We lost 12,000 lives.

01:23:42.400 It would have been 75,000 lives had they gone in.

01:23:44.900 Love that.

01:23:46.660 Gave me the chills.

01:23:48.120 Tons of great stories in this book, which you will love.

01:23:50.580 The book, again, is called I Am the Storm, inspiring stories of people who fight against overwhelming odds.

01:23:56.820 If you're looking for a little inspo in your life, you've got a battle you want to fight, check it out and support J.D.

01:24:03.560 OK.

01:24:04.120 We're going to get to the MK mailbag, as well as your calls.

01:24:07.860 The number is 833-446-3496.

01:24:12.440 And let's start with this.

01:24:13.400 You guys may have been listening to that Dr. Leonard Sachs interview yesterday.

01:24:18.320 And at the end of it, he was amazing, by the way.

01:24:20.000 I got so much nice feedback from friends and listeners who'd been really moved by some of the things he was saying.

01:24:25.300 He was talking about raising kids and gender and how it's a real thing.

01:24:29.760 It's innate in so many ways that we don't even know and about just good parenting and how we've drifted from it as an American society, how we outsource parenting to the tablets and the iPhones.

01:24:42.360 And we don't spend good time with our kids.

01:24:44.860 You know, we may spend time like where we think we're doing something, taking them to an activity, but we don't talk to them.

01:24:49.620 We put on headphones, we don't weigh in, talking about the importance of the family dinner at night.

01:24:54.160 And at the end of the show, one of our listeners called in named Amy and said,

01:25:00.900 what do I do because I have a 23-year-old and she's exhibiting some of the problems that we discussed on the show. 0.89

01:25:10.520 And is it too late?

01:25:12.160 Like, what can I do to help her because she's really struggling?

01:25:15.260 And Dr. Sachs said, this is my most dreaded question because I have no advice for you.

01:25:20.760 I don't know.

01:25:21.840 Like, he's basically saying, you got to get this done early during their developmental stages or not at all.

01:25:29.860 Oh, poor Amy. 1.00

01:25:32.040 And, you know, we don't have the answers.

01:25:34.320 I don't know what to tell Amy either.

01:25:35.680 Some of our, but we said we're going to follow up, which we will.

01:25:38.480 In the meantime, we got a ton of mail from our beautiful listeners and viewers.

01:25:43.840 And this one came out from Megan, M-E-G-A-N, who is a licensed counselor. 0.53

01:25:49.580 And she said this, my heart goes out to the mom who said she can't go backward but wants to know what she can do for her daughter.

01:25:55.860 I would tell this mom to model honesty in her own growth. 0.98

01:26:00.300 Let your daughter know you are a work in progress too.

01:26:03.840 Go to therapy yourself.

01:26:05.680 Work on your own demons and look for what blessings you have in your own life.

01:26:09.820 Be authentic with her.

01:26:11.320 Let your daughter know you trust her to make her own decisions and work hard to live as if you do trust her.

01:26:17.160 Tell her you are there for her if she needs you, imperfect, and always holding love in your heart for her.

01:26:24.520 Well said, Megan.

01:26:26.220 Paul also weighed in saying, poor Amy.

01:26:28.600 I have a family member who's going through almost the same thing with her 23-year-old daughter.

01:26:32.200 So many people feel, or like Amy and my family member, feel helpless, powerless, and worse like they were or are parental failures.

01:26:41.140 I'm hoping that you may have some additional resources for Amy and other families being destroyed by this.

01:26:45.420 We are going to zero in on that.

01:26:47.160 I thought it was a great question she asked.

01:26:49.520 And a lot of people have kids who are older and there's got to be another way besides like it's too late.

01:26:55.180 So we're going to try to tap into some expertise in that area.

01:27:01.140 Okay.

01:27:01.400 A lot of people had thoughts on the trans bathrooms issue.

01:27:05.360 You know, we had Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayeron to talk about that. 1.00

01:27:09.020 And this girl, the 17-year-old who was very upset with the YMCA out in California for letting her get exposed to a male penis. 0.95

01:27:17.640 There's a biological male walking around as a trans woman there without any warning. 0.99

01:27:21.160 She's in there, 17-year-old, gets faced with that. 0.95

01:27:24.840 Lisa writes in, I told my husband about this story.

01:27:26.760 He said, if the person is not fully committed to their gender choice, i.e. they still have a penis, they should be required to use the facilities for their biological gender.

01:27:33.960 I think he's absolutely correct, Lisa says. 0.99

01:27:37.700 Danny writes in, can we just say that if you go into the women's locker room with a penis, then you're not transitioned. 1.00

01:27:44.000 You're a cross-dresser. 1.00

01:27:45.160 It's not the same.

01:27:45.900 Make a third locker room.

01:27:47.600 Robert writes in, as a father of three boys and three girls, ages 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, and 3.

01:27:54.940 You're busy, Robert.

01:27:55.940 Robert, I fear what type of world they will face being exposed to sexuality at such a young age.

01:28:01.380 Seeing Carrie Brejean Bowler and Britt Mayer fighting against this at the local and national level is inspiring and helps me to be more vigilant.

01:28:09.740 So much mail on that.

01:28:10.720 So we thank all of you.

01:28:12.560 In the meantime, let's take a phone call.

01:28:13.980 We've got Dan in California, who's got lots of thoughts for us today.

01:28:17.500 Dan, hi, what's on your mind?

01:28:19.880 Hey, Megan, how are you today?

01:28:21.500 I'm great.

01:28:21.920 How are you?

01:28:23.680 Good, good.

01:28:24.320 Beautiful here in the desert, snow-capped mountains.

01:28:27.140 Come on out.

01:28:28.460 I loved you at Fox.

01:28:29.920 You're the only person I ever watched on Fox.

01:28:32.360 I really liked you on NBC.

01:28:34.260 I think you got screwed by NBC, by, you know, whatever happened there.

01:28:38.000 I listen to you a lot.

01:28:39.460 I think you're smart.

01:28:40.440 I think you're a terrific journalist.

01:28:43.600 I think you tell it like it is.

01:28:45.380 Unfortunately, I think you've turned really right-wing, Megan.

01:28:48.600 You praise the Republicans or the right, and you criticize the left all the time.

01:28:55.760 I just think you've changed a lot, and sometimes I want to turn you off.

01:28:59.960 But what I'd really like you to do, and I don't know, you didn't talk about Chris Cuomo this morning on his new show.

01:29:05.420 He's terrific, and he's a journalist just like you are.

01:29:07.820 I think he's one of the best journalists around.

01:29:09.640 I would love you to bring him on your show, and you guys do a back-and-forth interview.

01:29:16.320 That's hilarious.

01:29:17.960 In no world ever will Chris Cuomo be my model journalist.

01:29:21.760 Dan, wake up.

01:29:23.300 Not only would I do it because he's not a good journalist.

01:29:26.440 I could give you tons of examples.

01:29:27.800 Go back and look at the way he covered the Trump White House.

01:29:30.080 But I won't do it because he supported the smearing of Governor Cuomo's accusers unjustly, and then he lied to his audience about it.

01:29:38.320 Okay, so do your homework.

01:29:39.800 Chris Cuomo is no one's model of a good citizen or a good person.

01:29:44.600 I understand your criticism on the politics and the way I cover them, and I will submit to you the following.

01:29:51.060 The world has shifted under us, and there is a contingent on the left that must not simply be covered.

01:29:56.780 It must be fought.

01:29:58.160 And those are the people who are trying to tell our children they're less than because of the color of their skin,

01:30:03.780 or that they can wake up tomorrow and reevaluate their gender. 1.00

01:30:07.960 Kids who don't have gender dysphoria, but are offered it as a menu item.

01:30:12.800 I won't cover them objectively.

01:30:14.680 I'm here to fight them.

01:30:16.300 And I've been very open about it, given my own personal experiences in this lane.

01:30:21.080 I've given President Trump a very hard time.

01:30:24.860 Check the record.

01:30:25.820 And I've given President Biden a very hard time.

01:30:27.980 The record supports that, too.

01:30:29.160 I am here to hold those in power accountable, and I would put my record of challenging both sides up against that of any journalist in America today.

01:30:40.540 So if you choose to tune off, understanding that's where I am and where I stand, go for it.

01:30:45.540 I understand.

01:30:46.280 I get it.

01:30:46.860 There's lots of choices.

01:30:48.000 Good on you.

01:30:49.100 If that's the kind of journalism and coverage you're in the mood for, tune on in, as millions of people are.

01:30:55.160 Okay, let's go back to the mailbag.

01:30:56.900 And also taking everybody else's calls at 1-833-446-3496.

01:31:05.100 Okay, let's talk about the MLK statue, which was all over the news this week. 0.96

01:31:09.700 They tried to honor Dr. King by showing an embrace with Coretta Scott King, but they only showed the arms, and in my view, it looked like hands holding a giant penis. 0.88

01:31:19.680 It was not a good statue to a revered man, and they should have tanked it. 0.96

01:31:25.420 Vinny writes in,

01:31:26.420 The juxtaposition of the MLK Jr. statue segment, and Harry's reading about his private parts was perfect.

01:31:34.080 Neither artist Hank William Thomas or Prince Harry have any social awareness. 1.00

01:31:38.060 I am eternally grateful that I had an older brother who would smack me in the head if I did anything stupid. 0.99

01:31:44.720 Exactly. 0.99

01:31:45.880 I feel like if Prince William had had the chance to read that little Todger segment, he would have been there to tell Harry, get a grip.

01:31:52.220 And he would have said the same thing to the man who made that statue.

01:31:54.740 Release your grip.

01:31:55.400 It would have been more like that.

01:31:57.620 Do something else.

01:31:58.960 You've chosen wrong. 0.99

01:32:00.520 By the way, some people are giving me a hard time in the media for saying it looks like a penis. 0.99

01:32:03.860 Like somehow I shouldn't have said that. 0.99

01:32:05.160 That's what it looks like.

01:32:06.260 Why shouldn't I say that?

01:32:07.620 That's what it looks like to pretty much anybody who has eyes.

01:32:10.860 And I'm sad because it could have been lovely, but it wasn't.

01:32:14.280 And it wasn't just yours truly.

01:32:15.960 It was also family members of Coretta Scott King who spoke out against that ridiculous offense of a statement.

01:32:22.900 Okay, let's see.

01:32:23.660 Robert in Illinois is calling in and he's got some thoughts.

01:32:27.220 Robert, what's on your mind?

01:32:28.300 Hey, Megan.

01:32:29.180 Hey, Megan.

01:32:29.740 How are you?

01:32:30.620 Good.

01:32:30.900 How are you?

01:32:31.720 Good.

01:32:33.440 Long time fan.

01:32:34.480 Ben, I love listening to you on Fox News.

01:32:36.860 Then I kind of lost you with the Trump stuff, but I'm past that.

01:32:41.500 I'm listening to you on SXM radio now, which I love your show.

01:32:46.680 It's been fantastic.

01:32:48.160 Great knowledge.

01:32:49.160 I mean, your guests are amazing.

01:32:52.000 But what happened yesterday with Dr. SXM, so I've got two kids, two boys, 19 and 22.

01:32:59.720 And I come from a background of immigrants, Italian-Americans.

01:33:06.680 And the big thing that we had at our house was sitting down for dinner every night.

01:33:14.460 And I took that and did that with my kids and a lot of other things.

01:33:20.240 And I, they love that.

01:33:22.540 They love sitting down for dinner.

01:33:24.580 And it's been fantastic.

01:33:28.300 You know, it's huge.

01:33:29.000 It's such, it seems like a simple thing.

01:33:31.560 And I realize everybody's got different schedules, but he was making a good point.

01:33:34.580 Dr. Sacks, cancel it.

01:33:36.920 You know, you got this one doing this one.

01:33:38.700 And now work, find a different system, prioritize the dinner.

01:33:43.460 And he was saying, like, it's exponentially helpful.

01:33:47.040 The more dinners you can do, like the benefits to the family and the kids go up exponentially

01:33:51.780 with each one you can get in.

01:33:53.720 So, you know, if they're overscheduled, maybe dial it back a little and remember to put those

01:33:57.880 deposits in while you still can.

01:34:00.160 Robert, thank you.

01:34:01.080 Glad to hear you were doing it.

01:34:02.380 Let's go to Sarah out in California.

01:34:04.340 Hey, Sarah, what's on your mind?

01:34:06.140 Hi, Megan.

01:34:07.060 Huge fan.

01:34:08.020 Thank you so much for taking my call.

01:34:09.760 I wanted advice because I don't know how to talk to my friends about politics, because

01:34:18.360 it seems like it's everyone is it's their way or the highway here in the lovely state

01:34:23.780 of California.

01:34:24.760 And it's really hard for me to, you know, I feel like I'm living a double life.

01:34:30.940 Yes, I understand that.

01:34:32.100 But I would say to be if you're on the right to be friends with a woke lefty or a political

01:34:38.100 lefty.

01:34:38.620 Right.

01:34:38.960 Because, like, you could be not woke and a lefty who's just very political.

01:34:42.240 Just don't go there.

01:34:43.560 That's what I do with my friends.

01:34:44.920 I just we just don't talk politics.

01:34:46.720 One of my dear friends in the Midwest is a committed Democrat.

01:34:49.880 She's not woke, but she is a committed Democrat.

01:34:51.920 We just don't talk about this stuff.

01:34:53.380 Doesn't end well.

01:34:54.220 We have so many things that we have in common that we love to discuss.

01:34:57.420 And we've maintained our friendship for, I don't know, 25 years now by just not, you

01:35:02.840 know, talk to your righty friends about it who or your more forgiving lefty friends who

01:35:07.360 can maintain their sense of humor.

01:35:09.160 But if she's not one of them or somebody who you're trying to maintain the relationship

01:35:12.380 with, it's not one of them.

01:35:13.640 Just just go someplace else if they're important to you.

01:35:15.960 If you don't have to talk politics with everybody, it can't often be done with ease.

01:35:20.620 So and keep listening to the show and we'll we'll try to provide more tips, Sarah from

01:35:25.300 California, because it can't be easy.

01:35:28.040 Thanks for joining us and much more to get to tomorrow, including on Alec Baldwin.

01:35:33.680 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:35:35.920 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 19, 2023

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