The Megyn Kelly Show - All Eyes on Virginia, with Salena Zito, Comfortably Smug, Josh Holmes, and Michael Duncan ｜ Ep. 194

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.220 It is Election Day in America, and voters are hitting the polls right now.

00:00:19.620 But all eyes in the political world are on Virginia,

00:00:22.820 and a battle that has serious 2022 and 2024 ramifications

00:00:26.440 and really just could be a statement overall about where we are when it comes to American life, culture.

00:00:32.260 So many issues that this should be illuminating on.

00:00:36.480 Democrat Terry McAuliffe, who was considered a lock about five weeks ago here,

00:00:42.420 they were predicting this is going to be a landslide.

00:00:44.320 This was a no-brainer. He was going to win.

00:00:46.080 He's already been the Virginia governor,

00:00:48.160 is now neck and neck to be charitable to McAuliffe with Republican Glenn Youngkin.

00:00:54.700 They are just a point or two apart in the averages of all recent polls.

00:00:58.840 The results from today will no doubt set a precedent for what's to come.

00:01:02.800 Is it going to change the way our schools approach critical race theory

00:01:08.140 and all this crazy far-left indoctrination they've been doing?

00:01:11.600 Is it going to change the way our politicians run? 0.54

00:01:13.840 Is it going to make Democrats listen to their constituents,

00:01:17.460 many of whom are Democrats, telling them we don't want this,

00:01:20.140 and parents do have a right to participate in school agendas and so on?

00:01:23.860 No matter how it comes out, right?

00:01:26.020 Unless it's a McAuliffe blowout, will the Democrats listen?

00:01:29.800 If this is a one-point win by McAuliffe, one or two,

00:01:34.460 that says something, too.

00:01:36.560 Never mind a Youngkin win.

00:01:38.240 Turning to me later today, Selena Zito, she's awesome. 0.99

00:01:41.840 She's been doing her typical excellent reporting all around the country,

00:01:44.540 including Virginia, and she's sort of got her finger on the pulse

00:01:47.680 of the attitudes down there and what she's hearing.

00:01:50.200 But first, I have been looking forward to this,

00:01:53.660 the hosts of the Ruthless podcast, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes,

00:01:59.620 and the man known to the Twitter world and yours truly,

00:02:03.360 and his, quote, minions, that's what they call their followers,

00:02:06.540 as comfortably smug.

00:02:09.160 This is so fun, you guys.

00:02:10.180 Thank you so much for being here.

00:02:11.900 Oh, man.

00:02:12.460 What a blast.

00:02:13.360 I can't believe you actually invited us.

00:02:15.380 We'll see how this goes, right?

00:02:16.540 Thanks for having us.

00:02:17.260 Yeah.

00:02:18.360 My pleasure.

00:02:19.260 All right, so let me just make sure everybody at home understands who we're seeing here.

00:02:22.360 Josh, you're in the middle.

00:02:23.680 Smug, you're on the right, incognito.

00:02:26.200 And, Michael, you're on the left.

00:02:28.460 Yep.

00:02:29.180 Okay, good.

00:02:29.880 That's us.

00:02:30.620 Good.

00:02:30.920 Okay, so for the folks watching on the YouTube universe, that's the deal.

00:02:34.780 And can we just address the comfortably smug thing off the top?

00:02:39.000 Because, Smug, you've got to explain to people why you use that name

00:02:42.760 and why you are wearing a hat and glasses.

00:02:45.200 I mean, you're not like on an FBI Most Wanted list.

00:02:47.820 No, no, not at all.

00:02:48.720 Well, we're not entirely sure.

00:02:52.780 Basically, I like to have the luxury of being able to go to a restaurant or a grocery store

00:02:57.220 and not have anyone who may have maybe a left-leaning viewpoint and isn't happy about it.

00:03:02.780 I remember it was Maxine Waters, who during the Trump years was like,

00:03:05.940 if you see...

00:03:06.700 Yeah, get in their face. 1.00

00:03:07.420 Get in their face. 0.79

00:03:08.740 So I'm happy to maintain that luxury in my life.

00:03:10.880 That doesn't sound like you because you guys are...

00:03:13.520 You give it to everyone on your podcast and you're so cutting in a fun way.

00:03:18.380 Is that a thing?

00:03:19.520 I think it's a thing.

00:03:20.540 I think a lot of what we do is hold the left accountable the way

00:03:24.140 the mainstream media does on a daily basis to conservatives.

00:03:27.960 Right.

00:03:28.300 We try to laugh and have fun, right?

00:03:30.460 Megan, it's like what you do.

00:03:31.640 I mean, we try to lighten it up a little bit, present it in a way that people are not just

00:03:36.240 sort of having to wade through newspaper columns, but actually having a laugh with some friends

00:03:40.800 and kind of relate to and how it applies to their own life.

00:03:44.160 Well, what I love about Ruthless is it's, yes, all the things you just said, but also

00:03:49.020 it's an insider's perspective.

00:03:51.100 So I learned stuff from you guys that I wouldn't otherwise know because you've lived it.

00:03:55.360 You've worked on Capitol Hill.

00:03:56.440 You've worked on campaigns.

00:03:57.360 You've worked in PR.

00:03:58.320 You know how all these guys are, how they're spinning.

00:04:01.200 I could speak about media and how we do it, but you can speak about politicians, their

00:04:06.340 aides, everybody on Capitol Hill in a way that is really illuminating and just, it spares

00:04:13.700 no one.

00:04:14.580 It's no one.

00:04:15.720 Right.

00:04:16.240 Well, it's nice of you to say that.

00:04:17.540 Thank you, first of all.

00:04:18.780 But, you know, I think when we started, our goal was obviously to keep the, hold the left

00:04:22.920 accountable, hold the media accountable as best we could.

00:04:25.340 But as it's grown over time, like you said, there's a lot of Republicans who want to come

00:04:29.060 on and express their point of view in a way that really doesn't translate in like, you

00:04:33.140 know, a 30 second soundbite on cable news or anything else.

00:04:36.400 And so the interviews have become a bigger deal for us.

00:04:39.720 And we've, I think over the course of the year, obtained some really sort of critical

00:04:44.060 insight in having a little bit of longer time.

00:04:46.260 I know you probably feel this way on your own program.

00:04:49.340 If you sit back and actually ask people of things that make them tick, you have a much

00:04:55.020 better idea of how things are going to play out.

00:04:57.480 Right.

00:04:57.840 And, and our ability to do that in Ruthless, I think has been a fun addition that we didn't

00:05:02.180 see coming.

00:05:02.620 Well, and people like, people like seeing people be normal, politicians be normal.

00:05:08.840 And I'm so rare, you know, we don't have to tell you, but there's, there's a lot of

00:05:12.740 media out there, you know, partisan media that is, you know, like you're being lectured

00:05:16.920 to all the time and people like to have fun.

00:05:19.300 You know, I feel like, you know, we record this podcast for my friends back home who are,

00:05:23.020 you know, sort of culturally conservative.

00:05:24.520 They don't stay up on politics all the time, but during drive time, they'd love 30 minutes

00:05:29.080 of just, you know, knowing what they should care about that day.

00:05:31.800 And I think what we do really well, why we have so much fun is we're sort of reveling

00:05:36.060 in revealing the theater of politics.

00:05:38.340 Yeah.

00:05:38.720 Right. 0.60

00:05:39.120 And like how silly some of this acting is that's done this payfabe here in this town

00:05:45.800 because we've lived it, we know it and we, we laugh at it.

00:05:48.980 Well, what I was listening to you recently, I saw the, you got the Politico treatment recently.

00:05:55.040 They tried to take out Ruthless. 0.99

00:05:56.960 That guy, he's a bitter, bitter man. 0.73

00:05:59.120 He was really coming after you. 0.97

00:06:00.360 I was like, wow, this guy seems kind of like a prick because I really love the show.

00:06:03.920 I mean, that's a very fair assessment, honestly.

00:06:07.080 And then I listened, I wanted to see what you guys, because one thing I love about you

00:06:10.800 is you will go after anybody who comes for you.

00:06:13.340 And I remember Caitlyn Jenner canceled on you guys.

00:06:16.380 Yeah.

00:06:16.860 You did like a 15 minute, you just ripped her. 1.00

00:06:19.880 You just don't, don't cross the guys at Ruthless because they are, as they say, ruthless, but

00:06:26.860 Politico.

00:06:27.440 Why did they take out the hatchet for you?

00:06:29.620 Well, so there's two reasons, right?

00:06:31.160 I'll let, I'll let Michael and Smug explain the second.

00:06:33.660 The first is, look, guys like this who wrote the article, he did the same thing to Dave

00:06:38.400 Portnoy over at Barstool Sports, right?

00:06:40.540 Writes two, 3,000 words, doesn't even call to sort of even be, do the basic fact checks.

00:06:45.260 So this dude listens to like an episode or two of Ruthless and decides he's going to pen

00:06:49.220 2,000 words on everything that makes us tick.

00:06:52.060 The problem is, is like his worldview is that we as conservatives need to fit in this little

00:06:57.380 neat box.

00:06:58.400 And these are the only things that we should be able to talk about.

00:07:01.800 This is what motivates conservatives.

00:07:03.680 Like we're zoo animals, right?

00:07:05.580 And the fact that we don't fit in his box means that he has, you know, something to lose,

00:07:12.360 frankly.

00:07:12.820 What if there is something that is conservative that has young people interested, that is funny,

00:07:18.380 that's culturally relevant?

00:07:19.900 All of those things are an anathema to guys like this who, I don't know if you see it,

00:07:23.780 he's like, this is not somebody who should be lecturing anybody on what looks cool.

00:07:27.160 He can't stop himself, you guys, can he?

00:07:28.700 I didn't, you told Josh not to, not to mock his looks and he won't listen.

00:07:33.000 I can't listen.

00:07:33.900 I can't listen.

00:07:35.140 And I mean, one of the central critiques that he had was this podcast is not Pod Save

00:07:39.600 America.

00:07:40.240 And it's, I mean, well, correct.

00:07:42.240 We are nothing like Pod Save America.

00:07:44.260 If you wanted a left-leaning podcast, you've come to the wrong place.

00:07:47.080 Right.

00:07:47.700 Right.

00:07:48.060 With conventional wisdom and everything else.

00:07:50.160 But there's another reason that Duncan, I mean, you sort of like created this problem for

00:07:54.600 us, so you should speak to it.

00:07:55.940 I mean, I don't know that for sure, but I think I probably did.

00:07:59.240 You know, I mean, it is the ruthless podcast after all, and we are pretty ruthless when,

00:08:03.680 you know, we go after people.

00:08:05.480 But, you know, basically last week we did this segment on, on this liberal billionaire,

00:08:11.060 dark money, fake news ecosystem that is now getting a fresh coat of paint.

00:08:16.300 And you've got Reid Hoffman and you've got George Soros and these people spending tens

00:08:21.620 of millions of dollars with this Democratic consultant, Tara McGowan, who, you know, she

00:08:28.580 started Courier Newsroom, which was basically this network of fake news, left-wing sites

00:08:33.480 that would-

00:08:34.060 Literal fake news.

00:08:34.900 Literal.

00:08:35.300 Literal fake news, like stood up out of nowhere.

00:08:37.380 And their job is basically to masquerade as news and just run hit pieces on Republican

00:08:43.300 candidates and then advertise those on platforms like Facebook.

00:08:47.440 Well, the thing that's interesting is that these same people like Tara McGowan spent four

00:08:51.940 years saying, you know, Russia stole the election for Donald Trump and it's the, you know, that's

00:08:56.280 the money, the bots on Facebook is the reason why Hillary Clinton won't vote for Hillary Clinton, 1.00

00:09:01.560 which of course is absurd, but to then turn around and say, oh, you know, I'm going to

00:09:08.200 start all these fake news sites and that's good.

00:09:11.260 And to have Politico come out and do a Q&A with her about this relaunch of this liberal, 0.95

00:09:16.580 you know, dark money ecosystem, I thought was pathetic. 0.94

00:09:20.560 They legitimized her. 0.93

00:09:21.660 So it's, it would be like them putting on like an Alex Jones and being like, so what are

00:09:25.340 you doing in your new iteration?

00:09:27.220 And congrats on your new-

00:09:27.800 Yeah, how are things going?

00:09:28.900 It's exactly that.

00:09:29.160 Yeah.

00:09:29.480 You know?

00:09:29.940 So they totally legitimized her and you were like, what the hell are they doing?

00:09:34.040 And they didn't presumably like that.

00:09:37.140 Open Secrets did some great work exposing all of the fake news websites and the ecosystem

00:09:42.440 that Tara had created.

00:09:43.840 Yeah.

00:09:44.220 And, you know, I was talking to some friends back in Silicon Valley and their theory was

00:09:48.280 part of what Reid Hoffman, one of the billionaires funding this group, is trying to do is get

00:09:52.320 his like name off the search results for when he got caught in Alabama and had to apologize

00:09:56.980 for putting fake news out there.

00:09:59.680 After the Alabama special election, Reid Hoffman funded an operation that bought Russian bots

00:10:06.340 and then went to the media and basically convinced the media that these Russian bots were actually

00:10:12.000 being organized by Vladimir Putin to prop up the Republican.

00:10:16.120 It was a complete false flag operation.

00:10:17.960 Now that guy is going to spend tens of millions of dollars spreading what he calls good information.

00:10:22.820 I think the upshot of this, Megan, is that Michael didn't appreciate it.

00:10:27.680 I didn't appreciate it.

00:10:28.440 I got a little aggressive. 1.00

00:10:29.300 I replied that I was like, this is fucking pathetic. 1.00

00:10:33.040 It gets even better. 0.99

00:10:34.620 So he he he replies to Politico about how ridiculous it is for them to try to rehab Tara and read

00:10:39.960 in this way.

00:10:41.020 And the author of that hit piece about us was one of the writers for the fake news sites

00:10:46.820 that Tara.

00:10:47.280 Yes, he worked.

00:10:48.280 He was.

00:10:48.580 He did not disclose that he had written for one of the fake news sites.

00:10:53.140 No, that'd be crazy. 0.99

00:10:54.020 But so, you know, I'm in her reply saying it's pathetic. 0.98

00:10:56.160 The next day they do a hit piece on us. 0.96

00:10:57.740 So, you know, I mean, you can kind of string it together.

00:11:00.360 Yeah.

00:11:00.540 You know, it's interesting, too, because the funny thing was, you know, you because Josh

00:11:04.520 can't stop himself from going after the guy's looks, but it's kind of relevant because

00:11:07.640 he went after you guys for being somehow uncool.

00:11:10.380 I said something like you were geriatric millennials or something like that.

00:11:13.180 I was like, Megan, Megan, if you like those of us who are Gen Xers, go ahead.

00:11:17.300 If he liked our podcast, I would quit.

00:11:19.200 I would I would delete the master.

00:11:20.740 I would delete every episode and burn the studio to the ground.

00:11:24.000 Well, so I started calling him Sally Jesse, right?

00:11:27.100 Because he looks just like Sally Jesse Raphael.

00:11:29.800 And the fellas thought that was gratuitous. 0.98

00:11:31.560 In fact, I think that is actually a geriatric reference.

00:11:35.640 That was the issue.

00:11:36.860 They said you're only confirming his point by calling her Sally Jesse.

00:11:40.380 By using that reference.

00:11:41.420 Be that as it may, look at him, right?

00:11:45.120 I mean, I have it.

00:11:46.460 I actually I saw his name and I actually I confess I didn't click on it.

00:11:50.740 I didn't really need your description sort of brought it home.

00:11:53.480 But, you know, you've said sort of this is a podcast for people, not for people who get

00:11:57.200 stuffed in the locker, but for for those who do did the stuffing.

00:12:00.280 And I think that that sort of boils down the disagreement between you guys and this

00:12:04.160 political writer.

00:12:06.640 That's a very fair assessment.

00:12:09.160 All right.

00:12:09.760 So let's move on to the news.

00:12:11.420 I want to get your take on Virginia.

00:12:13.420 It's a kind of exciting.

00:12:14.660 Do you feel excited?

00:12:15.380 I'm excited about this race to see how it comes out.

00:12:17.880 Yeah.

00:12:18.180 No, look, I mean, no question that Virginia is a much bluer state than it was 10 years

00:12:22.600 ago, the last time that Republicans had any significant success.

00:12:26.840 But it has been known as a bellwether, particularly when a party, a new party in power has complete

00:12:33.620 control in Washington.

00:12:34.500 So if you look at like 05 with Republicans, 09 with Democrats, 17 with Republicans, and

00:12:41.400 now 21 with Democrats, the commonalities are really interesting.

00:12:46.240 There is a party in power that has fallen out of favor with the American public.

00:12:49.520 Right.

00:12:50.420 And it hasn't reached the base of the Democratic Party at this point.

00:12:53.860 It's obvious the independents across this country, but it's not obvious the Democrats

00:12:57.760 and clearly not this batch of Democrats who are trying to do another couple of trillion

00:13:01.100 dollars of spending and make the problem worse. 0.99

00:13:03.620 So Virginia has always been that first canary in the coal mine.

00:13:06.960 It's an off-year election that sort of resets the dial and shows people what sort of Republicans,

00:13:12.860 Democrats, and independents are thinking.

00:13:14.780 In 05, huge Democratic win, Democrats take over Congress in 06.

00:13:19.700 09, it's a huge Republican win, and Republicans take over Congress in 10.

00:13:25.400 17, huge Democratic win, you see the pattern continue.

00:13:28.720 Now it's our view, at least it's my view, that the tide has shifted extraordinarily here.

00:13:36.120 Glenn Youngkin has run a good campaign.

00:13:38.540 He's talked about things like education that makes that center-right, center-left part of

00:13:42.500 the electorate interested in voting for a Republican, which is a little different than you've seen

00:13:48.160 over the last four years.

00:13:49.440 And I mean, I think the wind's at his back.

00:13:51.380 We'll see what happens.

00:13:52.340 But I really like, in a state that went by 10 points for Joe Biden one year ago, the fact

00:14:00.080 that we're even talking about it, in my view, is a really positive sign.

00:14:03.860 And I live in a very blue part, as you do, Holmes, of Virginia, in Northern Virginia.

00:14:10.660 And so I expect a lot of Democrat turnout there at my polling place this morning.

00:14:15.140 But my favorite thing to do is to take that Democrat sample ballot from the poll workers

00:14:22.100 who are working outside, because it's a real great cheat sheet to know everything to vote

00:14:26.220 against.

00:14:26.660 Well, Megan, you've lived in blue areas your entire life, right?

00:14:29.240 Yeah, I have, including Northern Virginia in Alexandria for a while.

00:14:33.740 You know how that works.

00:14:35.200 It's like, oh, you want money on this bond?

00:14:37.080 No.

00:14:39.240 Oh, this independent school?

00:14:40.840 No.

00:14:42.420 But they have the Democrats standing out front.

00:14:44.660 They're like, you want a sample ballot, and they give it to you, and it's all the pre-filled

00:14:47.800 in stuff that tells you who to vote.

00:14:49.540 But for Dunks and I, it's like a perfect roadmap of what not to do, right?

00:14:54.400 So I wasn't following this particular board race, but now that you've provided me the

00:15:01.080 endorsed Democrat, now I know who to vote for.

00:15:03.640 Thank you so much.

00:15:05.120 We can hope that maybe some of the parents in Northern Virginia, even if they are registered

00:15:10.140 Democrats, use that cheat sheet the same way this time, just to express their outrage.

00:15:14.000 Well, that's certainly how it's looking.

00:15:15.640 I mean, you know, the tightening of this race is not a bunch of Republicans who are getting

00:15:20.660 ready to vote for McAuliffe changing their mind.

00:15:23.620 McAuliffe is losing his own party, and he's losing independence by big numbers right now,

00:15:29.100 and it boils down to education.

00:15:30.440 The polls have shown that.

00:15:32.160 And yesterday, he did the act of a truly desperate man, politician.

00:15:36.600 He played the race card, right?

00:15:38.840 It's getting tight, tight, tight.

00:15:40.220 He's lost an eight-point advantage, and now, according to the Fox News poll, it's gone

00:15:45.020 the other way.

00:15:45.640 Eight points, Youngkin, if you believe that poll, which you might.

00:15:48.580 I mean, who knows?

00:15:49.380 We're going to know soon.

00:15:50.580 And decided to play the race card by saying what we really need is more, you know, is fewer

00:15:56.340 white teachers. 0.98

00:15:58.200 White teachers are the problem in Virginia. 0.99

00:16:00.940 Here's a little bit of how he managed to communicate that. 0.97

00:16:04.660 What bothers me to my core is what this man is doing.

00:16:08.840 He's dividing parents against parents, parents against school boards.

00:16:14.960 He's using your children as political pawns in his campaign.

00:16:18.480 It is a racist dog whistle.

00:16:20.320 Folks, we are better than that.

00:16:22.900 We will not have that hatred here in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:16:27.640 All right.

00:16:28.300 Well, that was just one piece of it.

00:16:29.740 But then he also went on to say the real problem in Virginia is you've got 50 percent

00:16:34.040 students of color and 80 percent white teachers, which is obviously a problem that McAuliffe

00:16:38.800 because we need perfect parity, I guess, when it comes to races, races, teachers versus

00:16:44.660 I mean, he's obviously pandering.

00:16:46.600 It's so obvious and it's an act of desperation.

00:16:49.500 What do you guys think?

00:16:50.780 I mean, I think, you know, Holmes earlier bought up a great point that you've got Youngkin who

00:16:55.720 ran a great campaign.

00:16:56.820 And a contrast with that is McAuliffe has run just a truly despicable campaign.

00:17:02.300 Right.

00:17:02.460 He sent his kids to private school, first of all.

00:17:04.960 They went to Potomac school, right?

00:17:06.500 Right.

00:17:07.280 And you had last week the Lincoln Project sent up operatives dressed as white nationalists

00:17:15.260 with tiki torches to try to dupe the media into thinking that white nationalists are showing

00:17:20.020 up to support Youngkin.

00:17:21.300 And until I think it was a vice news reporter confronted the Lincoln Project after identifying

00:17:27.400 the Democrat operatives, the Lincoln Project was not going to take responsibility until

00:17:32.020 someone found out.

00:17:33.760 They were hoping the media would continue pushing this message.

00:17:36.700 The McAuliffe campaign, their comm staff were all pushing out.

00:17:39.620 This is despicable.

00:17:40.720 Look at who Youngkin is. 0.98

00:17:41.840 He's got white nationalists here.

00:17:43.460 So across the board, the McAuliffe campaign has tried to make this this campaign about Donald 0.57

00:17:49.860 Trump, about how America is a racist nation.

00:17:54.800 And that isn't the issues that voters are concerned with.

00:17:58.160 That's totally right.

00:17:59.040 So also, Megan, he made McAuliffe made a fatal error in this campaign, which was it happened

00:18:04.800 in the debate at the end of September where he said point blank that parents don't have

00:18:10.500 any or should not have any input into the education of their kids.

00:18:14.660 It's between the teachers and their kids.

00:18:15.920 Now, everybody in the world knows that he screwed up, right?

00:18:20.740 But he wouldn't admit it.

00:18:22.480 He didn't admit it.

00:18:23.480 In fact, he doubled down on it, right?

00:18:25.840 And so he went the last three weeks where the issue of education became the primary issue

00:18:31.420 in the Commonwealth of Virginia, doing the same sort of messaging that parents has driven

00:18:37.960 them absolutely nuts.

00:18:39.140 And plus, he's added to this fiction that CRT and everything else is not real, right?

00:18:44.960 What he says is all this is fake.

00:18:47.460 It's a fake contract, which will come as news to the people in Loudoun County who've been

00:18:51.020 dealing with this for the last six months, right?

00:18:52.900 Yeah, because, I mean, they had their kids at home doing Zoom school for a year and they

00:18:57.920 could hear, they could see.

00:19:00.160 And so, I mean, what are you going to believe?

00:19:02.360 Like, McAuliffe or your lion eyes?

00:19:04.280 Right.

00:19:04.860 The New York Times had an article about the Yunk and McAuliffe race.

00:19:08.720 And they spoke with a gentleman.

00:19:11.520 He was a lifelong Democrat voter who said he's going to be supporting Yunk and because

00:19:16.200 while Zoom school was in session, he heard one of his teachers telling his daughter that

00:19:21.100 all white men are like the slave owners of the 21st century. 0.98

00:19:26.180 Yeah. 0.95

00:19:26.440 It's just that sounds like Colin Kaepernick's new documentary on Netflix.

00:19:30.040 We're actually going to get to that in a minute, which is how I know I'm not sitting

00:19:35.380 around watching Colin Kaepernick in my spare time, trust me, either on the football field

00:19:39.340 or anywhere else if I can avoid it.

00:19:41.300 Yeah.

00:19:41.800 So that's the problem because parents shouldn't be involved in education is a bad message any

00:19:46.080 year, but it's particularly bad this year.

00:19:49.680 And McAuliffe, in the midst of his floundering and sort of doubling down on that message and

00:19:54.600 then trying to play play the race card, is also apparently disconnected from the truth.

00:20:00.440 A, saying CRT is not being taught in schools.

00:20:03.840 But B, he also went out last night and said, Glenn Youngkin is finishing out his campaign

00:20:09.300 by doing an event with Donald Trump here in Virginia.

00:20:13.440 Even Politico, who we've already bashed on this program, he said, and I quote, that was

00:20:18.120 a lie.

00:20:18.920 People listening for Politico to say that about a Democrat, I mean, it has to be such

00:20:24.080 a blatant, obvious falsehood.

00:20:26.080 So it was obviously like, Youngkin did not do an event with Trump.

00:20:29.480 Trump did his Teletubby rally.

00:20:31.300 I don't know what it was, like, Teletubby rally, whatever.

00:20:35.220 Youngkin had nothing to do with it.

00:20:37.000 And McAuliffe was so desperate to tie them together.

00:20:39.440 He was like, aha, this is it.

00:20:41.940 It's so, it's unbelievable. 0.99

00:20:43.260 It's so pathetic, right? 0.98

00:20:44.680 I mean, so Democrats run the risk of every time they have any sort of electoral success, 0.98

00:20:49.080 watch this, over the last, like, 10, 15 years.

00:20:51.160 Anytime they have success on something, they just refuse to run the next election any differently,

00:20:56.340 right?

00:20:56.660 And so 2020, the only thing that worked was Donald Trump.

00:20:59.420 They could just keep beating it into suburban voters' heads and something will happen.

00:21:03.620 In 2021, everybody's like, yeah, but we have record inflation.

00:21:07.380 We've got ships out in the middle of the Pacific.

00:21:10.620 We've got an immigration border crisis going on.

00:21:13.520 You ruined the Middle East with that Afghanistan pullout. 1.00

00:21:17.360 We've got problems and situations everywhere.

00:21:19.640 And this guy's barking about somebody who's hanging out in Palm Beach, right?

00:21:22.880 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:21:24.380 I mean, their calculation was completely backwards of, uh, McAuliffe kept trying to make this election

00:21:29.560 in Virginia about Donald Trump and then brought in Jordan, uh, brought in, uh, Biden to his

00:21:34.180 rallies.

00:21:34.860 And all voters can connect Biden with these days is every problem that they're facing, whether

00:21:39.160 it's the grocery store, whether at the gas pump, trying to fill up their car with

00:21:42.320 like record gas prices.

00:21:43.780 So the real numbers that they should have been looking at is not, you know, Trump popularity

00:21:48.080 numbers.

00:21:48.420 They should have looked at how Biden's numbers are tanking and how that could affect their

00:21:51.260 situation.

00:21:51.480 It's absolutely incredible.

00:21:53.860 There was a recent poll out.

00:21:55.280 I think we talked about it on the last episode, um, that a majority of Democrats want a new

00:22:00.200 candidate for 2024.

00:22:01.760 Yes.

00:22:02.200 They don't even want Biden.

00:22:03.800 Right.

00:22:04.000 And again, kudos to, you know, Yunkin's campaign for not taking the bait.

00:22:07.660 Uh, they stayed on message.

00:22:08.960 They talked about how he wants to, uh, repeal a gas tax, repeal a grocery tax because people

00:22:14.040 are dealing with really hard times right now.

00:22:16.140 And, and meanwhile, McAuliffe is not addressing any of their issues and any concerns that parents

00:22:20.740 do have.

00:22:21.260 He says, don't even exist.

00:22:22.320 It's all made up.

00:22:23.100 Yeah.

00:22:23.220 Oh, and then he's also misstating the COVID numbers every day.

00:22:27.360 I think he's, it's 1142.

00:22:29.360 He keeps saying 11, 1142 kids are hospitalized right now with COVID in Virginia.

00:22:34.000 19.

00:22:34.880 It's 19.

00:22:35.820 It was 19 last week.

00:22:37.020 Super, super backwards way to look.

00:22:39.080 First of all, there's a democratic governor of Virginia, right?

00:22:41.920 So, and this guy is a physician, Ralph Northam.

00:22:44.980 I don't know why you want to.

00:22:46.020 He's many things.

00:22:46.700 He's many things.

00:22:48.200 Black face aficionado.

00:22:50.020 No, he may have been in a KKK robe. 0.92

00:22:52.000 So stop that.

00:22:52.620 It could have been the Klansman.

00:22:53.700 Fair, very fair.

00:22:54.640 That's right.

00:22:55.240 He's got a, it's Halloween after all.

00:22:58.240 Oh, so, so, but, but that is part of his problem too, right?

00:23:02.580 And it's Democrats problem overall in that Joe Biden convinced the base of the Democratic

00:23:07.400 Party that a pandemic based on a coronavirus would go away the moment you change the inhabitant

00:23:14.440 of the Oval Office, right?

00:23:16.380 And the fact that he showed up and then seven, eight months in, it's actually worse.

00:23:21.260 Now that's a hell of a message to sell back to your people that you convinced and Trump

00:23:25.120 was the problem, right?

00:23:26.320 It's so true. 0.84

00:23:27.320 More people, more Americans have now died in the United States as a result of COVID since

00:23:33.260 2021 than in 2020.

00:23:35.940 And, and Joe Biden was handed multiple vaccines, right?

00:23:39.100 And then the situation has not improved.

00:23:41.560 He has not followed through on his promise to shut down the virus, not the economy.

00:23:45.520 We've got the exact opposite where the economy is tanking and the virus keeps spreading.

00:23:48.860 He can't break out of that sort of mode of, you know, overstating the COVID badness because

00:23:54.440 that's sort of been the democratic approach, just in all cases, overstate it because we

00:23:58.300 want mandatory vaccines and we want mandatory masks and we want more restrictions and the

00:24:02.620 Republicans don't.

00:24:03.420 So this is a line of demarcation.

00:24:05.160 Meanwhile, it's like, okay, but then there's truth and there's an absolute falsehood.

00:24:10.060 And this one's so easy to point out.

00:24:12.160 1142 is not the same as 19.

00:24:14.000 I mean, some basic math skills would be nice in the governor, but let's pause and leave

00:24:20.120 it there for now because I want to pick it up in a moment on Colin Kaepernick.

00:24:23.300 There's a lot more political stuff to go over, but this Colin Kaepernick documentary that

00:24:26.860 Netflix is running is insanely racist.

00:24:29.200 I mean, it is insanely racist.

00:24:31.680 And the fact that we don't have Netflix employees walking out over that one says a lot about America

00:24:36.680 2021.

00:24:38.300 Stay tuned.

00:24:38.760 More with the fellas right after this.

00:24:44.000 So I want to get to Colin Kaepernick in one second, because it's just what I saw there

00:24:51.020 was so great.

00:24:51.600 I'm like, okay, Netflix is a duh.

00:24:53.400 That's like the most predictable move ever that they're going to do a documentary on Colin

00:24:57.080 Kaepernick.

00:24:58.040 But when I actually saw the clip, I, it was jaw dropping.

00:25:00.800 Like, first of all, he's a terrible narrator, horrible.

00:25:04.700 His acting skills are almost as bad as his, you know, honesty on Twitter. 0.82

00:25:09.040 Um, but the, the fact that Netflix would actually have the nerve to put out this obviously racist 0.72

00:25:16.220 anti-white, like it's stunning to me. 0.99

00:25:19.600 And I don't think we're going to see any walkouts the way we saw with the transgender person over 1.00

00:25:23.260 the day, uh, the Dave Chappelle thing.

00:25:25.200 So I am going to get to Colin Kaepernick in one second, but before I go there, I want

00:25:29.320 to pick up on what you were just saying one second ago, Michael.

00:25:31.880 Uh, Democrats want to sub out Biden over 40%, according to the latest Marist poll, 40% of

00:25:37.700 Democrats believe their party will have a better chance of winning in 2024.

00:25:40.120 If Biden's replaced at the top of the ticket, 44% of Democrats and Democrat leaning appendants

00:25:45.480 want another candidate on the ballot.

00:25:47.280 Just 36% want to keep Biden just 36%.

00:25:52.720 And by the way, um, this has Biden's approval rating at 44%, which dovetails with the most

00:25:58.720 recent poll on him.

00:25:59.620 So his numbers are tanking on overall approval.

00:26:02.660 70% of the people think the country's headed in the wrong direction.

00:26:05.520 And now even almost, I mean, not quite a majority, but over 40% of Dems want him gone.

00:26:11.320 So you guys tell me what that portends.

00:26:15.000 Let's just start with midterms in 22. 0.91

00:26:18.380 Well, number one, I would say, you know, we're talking about Virginia earlier.

00:26:21.480 Um, but the reason why Democrats are so frustrated with Biden right now is McAuliffe, even, even

00:26:30.120 if McAuliffe wins by three, if you extrapolated that out to the midterm, that would mean 29

00:26:36.720 seats that Republicans would pick up.

00:26:39.260 Why?

00:26:39.940 Explain that.

00:26:40.700 I don't understand math.

00:26:43.420 It's based on the, the, the index of, of, of all the congressional races.

00:26:47.720 If you look at the partisan makeup of, you know, what will be the swing districts.

00:26:51.840 If you look at the shift in Virginia from 10 points of a Biden win, uh, in 2020 to, let's

00:26:58.240 say McAuliffe win by three.

00:26:59.580 If you look at the partisan makeup of all every congressional and some of this is changing,

00:27:03.720 obviously with the redistricting and everything, but as the maps are drawn right now, if you

00:27:07.600 looked at the partisan lean of all of those districts around the country, it would result

00:27:12.000 in 29 seat pickup by Republicans, even if McAuliffe wins by three.

00:27:16.540 So that's how, why they are ringing the alarm bells right now, because, you know, even if

00:27:22.040 he, he wins by three, it still looks terrible for him next year.

00:27:24.980 I think the funniest damn thing about this whole thing, Megan, is the fact that we are

00:27:28.380 like literally less than a year into Joe Biden's presidency, right? 0.85

00:27:32.740 I mean, we're dealing with all of this in such fast forward, but you know, you got the

00:27:36.720 guy nodding off and in the international stage, he's got, he got, he hasn't completed a full

00:27:42.240 sentence in the better part of a month.

00:27:43.840 He hasn't done a press conference since I don't know when, I mean, they literally can't

00:27:47.680 take him out of the box.

00:27:48.780 So, I mean, if you're a Democrat, you're saying to yourself, we get ourselves in trouble,

00:27:52.700 the kind of trouble that we're feeling right now with virtually every issue.

00:27:56.200 How is this guy going to help dig us out?

00:27:58.500 And I think the answer to that's pretty obvious.

00:28:01.340 He's not right.

00:28:02.440 Exactly.

00:28:03.180 They know it.

00:28:04.280 By the way, here is that moment of Biden falling asleep at the, um, the climate summit that

00:28:08.600 he's over in Glasgow attending, you can see his aid rushes in to try to help him, but

00:28:12.360 here it is.

00:28:14.440 This is a magnificent planet.

00:28:16.780 This conference is one of the most important meetings in history.

00:28:21.080 You have the chance to make decisions and reach agreements, which will affect the lives

00:28:26.400 of generations to come.

00:28:28.460 You are in a position of extraordinary power.

00:28:31.640 You can change forever the trajectory we are on.

00:28:36.940 You can make a world that is once again full of hope, not fear.

00:28:43.300 This is my message from earth to come.

00:28:46.740 On behalf of We the 15, I am.

00:28:50.200 So for the people listening, it's just Biden asleep.

00:28:53.620 It's just Biden.

00:28:54.280 The whole thing is Biden with his eyes closed until finally one of his aides comes over.

00:28:58.200 And, uh, it was a disability rights advocate speaking up front.

00:29:02.880 Apparently, um, I don't know, that may be something Joe Biden may be becoming familiar

00:29:06.880 with firsthand at this point.

00:29:10.060 Megan, that's ruthless.

00:29:11.980 I'm just saying the man, that is ruthless.

00:29:13.920 There you go.

00:29:14.540 I love it.

00:29:15.960 There's some evidence he's struggling.

00:29:18.600 Um, yeah, so he's not all there or so it would appear.

00:29:21.360 And, you know, we've all seen that.

00:29:22.500 I've seen that with my grandpa, my grandma over the years, but they're not president of the

00:29:26.500 United States and they're not at the national international climate summit trying to figure

00:29:30.840 out climate change for us.

00:29:33.400 Um, so yeah, your point is they want to get rid of him, but let me ask you guys to whom

00:29:37.780 do they go to whom do they go if they, if somebody taps him gently on the shoulder and

00:29:42.860 says, maybe that, that stuff about being a one term president that you originally said,

00:29:47.580 maybe you should stick by that because it's not, it's not going to be her.

00:29:50.080 It's not going to be Harris.

00:29:51.700 So I, I, I have a benefit of, I also get a lot of Democrat operatives who talk to me,

00:29:57.600 especially when it's primary season, they've got the daggers out for each other.

00:30:00.580 And I've been hearing, uh, a little, you know, a few whispers here and there about it can't

00:30:06.960 be just Kamala.

00:30:08.360 Pete should step up to the plate.

00:30:09.820 Pete.

00:30:10.200 So there's going to possibly be like a Pete versus Kamala showdown to decide who's going

00:30:15.180 to be the standard bearer of that party.

00:30:16.220 Because like, like, like Duncan said, it's become pretty clear Biden's not an awe-inspiring

00:30:20.820 leader and he's not going to be the recipe for bearer.

00:30:22.660 And neither is Pete Buttigieg.

00:30:24.500 Is that who we're talking about?

00:30:25.620 Pete Buttigieg?

00:30:26.660 The transportation secretary?

00:30:28.900 Yeah.

00:30:29.380 I mean, he's showing, he's doing a great job, you know, managing our infrastructure.

00:30:32.740 So there's a lot of great options.

00:30:34.300 Has he left the baby yet?

00:30:36.960 We don't, we know he showed up at his documentary premiere.

00:30:40.020 In Chicago.

00:30:40.620 Yeah.

00:30:40.940 Yeah.

00:30:41.140 You know, but because of this, you know, the wealth of goodwill that he has had on our

00:30:47.420 nation's shipping lanes, I can't imagine a reason why we wouldn't want to elevate him

00:30:51.720 to a national discussion.

00:30:53.020 Oh my gosh.

00:30:53.460 I'm feeling the Democrats pain right now.

00:30:55.460 I mean, you're even as ruthless as you are.

00:30:57.500 You must feel a little bad for them.

00:30:58.880 Like, those are not good options.

00:31:00.120 Biden, Kamala Harris or Pete.

00:31:01.940 There's got to be somebody else that they could draft in.

00:31:05.040 I don't feel a bit bad about anything.

00:31:07.820 I would convince the Dems, give Bernie another shot.

00:31:12.460 I think, you know, he got, he clearly got robbed in the, in the last primary.

00:31:16.540 You know, I think the progressive voters should stand up, stand against Biden and make sure

00:31:22.460 their voices are heard.

00:31:23.200 Well, you know what?

00:31:23.860 You raise a good point.

00:31:24.940 Smug raises a good point here because, you know, they didn't get Bernie on the ballot,

00:31:29.180 but they took his agenda.

00:31:30.840 Yeah.

00:31:31.260 Right.

00:31:31.660 I mean, he didn't, he didn't win the battle, but he may have won the war because I can't

00:31:36.180 spell a lick of difference between what Biden has, has done and what Bernie Sanders said

00:31:42.740 he would do.

00:31:43.380 Well, I'll tell you one.

00:31:44.180 I'll tell you one up front that I've talked about with Crystal and Sager, which is Bernie's

00:31:48.320 not woke.

00:31:49.840 But yes, you read the financial agenda.

00:31:51.820 Yes.

00:31:52.060 So it's like the, if you're a Republican, kind of the worst of all worlds, right?

00:31:55.840 Far left social agenda and far left socialist economic agenda in this current president.

00:32:02.100 Which is so amazing to say that Joe Biden is now reincarnated as a woke Democrat.

00:32:08.160 It's incredible how they piece this administration together when he had Kamala during the primaries 0.93

00:32:12.160 on the debate stage say, Joe Biden, you're a racist.

00:32:15.000 And now she's the vice president. 0.98

00:32:16.760 You're hired.

00:32:17.300 It's incredible.

00:32:18.040 It's incredible.

00:32:19.420 All right.

00:32:19.640 Speaking of racism.

00:32:21.320 The last thing I'll say is it does show the casual relationship that Democrats have

00:32:25.480 with the political attack of racism, right?

00:32:28.000 Oh yeah.

00:32:28.300 It's not real.

00:32:29.300 It, no, if you had a, in a Republican primary, if one candidate called the other candidate

00:32:33.720 a racist and meant it, you, they would never speak to each other again, right?

00:32:37.820 Democrats do it so casually that she's now his vice president.

00:32:41.720 I mean, right now I'm thinking about the Ted Cruz attack on Donald Trump right before

00:32:45.680 he secured the nomination.

00:32:47.780 Remember he was like, I'm going to tell you what I really think about him.

00:32:49.620 And then Mitt Romney did it too, but Ted Cruz, and they both went back to Trump anyway.

00:32:53.400 So it does happen on both sides, but it's always stomach turning.

00:32:57.300 Okay.

00:32:57.740 Let's talk about Colin Kaepernick.

00:32:59.040 So Colin Kaepernick, he and I, we've had some Twitter dust ups. 0.92

00:33:02.980 I mean, he's insane. 1.00

00:33:03.820 This is a racist guy. 1.00

00:33:04.980 He really is a racist guy and he hates our country. 1.00

00:33:07.740 He hates America. 1.00

00:33:09.040 So, all right.

00:33:10.100 It's just another day that Netflix gives this guy his own special.

00:33:13.320 And I'm like, oh, I guess it's going to be about how racist America is. 0.88

00:33:16.380 It turns out to me, it's how racist Colin Kaepernick is.

00:33:19.280 I'm going to describe for the audience listening to this, the clip that we're about to see,

00:33:23.300 because, well, you know what?

00:33:24.820 Let's just play it.

00:33:25.440 We'll leave my mic up and I'll explain when it gets to the weird turn.

00:33:29.040 What we're going to see.

00:33:29.920 But just for you listening at home, it starts off with the NFL draft with football players

00:33:35.180 being drafted by the NFL and the sort of being looked at up and down by, I guess, the owners

00:33:40.780 or the managers, what have you.

00:33:42.240 And then there's a shift in the middle to where they turn into slaves. 0.94

00:33:46.200 The players turn into slaves.

00:33:48.860 These are actually actors and being like looked at by slave masters.

00:33:53.140 And this speaks to his overall point.

00:33:55.280 Watch and listen.

00:33:55.900 They don't want you to understand is what's being established is a power dynamic.

00:34:03.780 Before they put you on the field, teams poke, pride and examine you, searching for any defect

00:34:11.760 that might affect your performance.

00:34:14.080 No boundaries, no boundary respected, no dignity left intact.

00:34:22.740 Here's the shift where they're switching from NFL wannabes to sleeves.

00:34:27.720 It's going back and forth now between NFL owners looking at players and would-be slave owners

00:34:56.420 looking at slaves to buy.

00:34:58.700 Unbelievable.

00:35:01.240 Have you guys seen that?

00:35:02.580 No.

00:35:03.420 I mean, that's incredibly offensive.

00:35:05.640 It is.

00:35:06.500 It's incredibly offensive.

00:35:07.340 And it doesn't make any sense.

00:35:08.740 He says you're seeing a power dynamic be established.

00:35:12.040 You're about to get paid multi-millions of dollars.

00:35:14.740 A job interview generally has a power dynamic.

00:35:16.980 I mean, for him to be like, OK, you're at the combine and they're timing how quick you run 40 yards to slavery.

00:35:24.760 I mean, it denigrates the history of slavery where people were forced or taken from their families and he's comparing them to people getting multi-million contracts.

00:35:34.220 That's exactly it, Smug.

00:35:35.260 Who made him show up at the NFL combine?

00:35:39.440 You know, to compare that willing and usually dream come true moment for an NFL football player to slavery?

00:35:47.920 How does this wind up on Netflix?

00:35:50.340 I mean, look, this is Colin Kaepernick is one of the most deeply of his time characters that I can think of in that the progressive left has become over the last 10 years entirely a victimhood culture.

00:36:05.040 And you cannot have any control of your own destiny.

00:36:09.420 It's all predestined by people who are, you know, controlling what you do, what you think, where you can go, how much money you can make, which is, you know, the exact opposite of the American dream and everything the conservatives fight for on a day-to-day basis.

00:36:22.440 But where that goes now, extrapolated out, is that there's a constituency for it, right?

00:36:27.900 And I find it so fascinating, so fascinating that Netflix, which is twisting itself into knots to try to defend Dave Chappelle, is now encountering zero resistance from the mainstream media about something like that, which is, I mean, I don't know anyone who doesn't find something like that deeply, deeply offensive.

00:36:47.240 It's so, so he, just a couple of points on it.

00:36:50.200 It's, by the way, it's called Colin in black and white, if you care to waste your time watching it.

00:36:55.580 They, he says, okay, you heard the line, what they don't want you to understand, this is the NFL, is what's being established is a power dynamic.

00:37:03.540 And of course it's like, yes, and you are a player trying, you know, like, are the players supposed to be the ones who cast themselves into the role of teammate?

00:37:11.840 Or do we understand that there's a management structure and an ownership structure that is responsible for drafting you and picking you?

00:37:18.380 Then he goes on, before they put you on the field, teams poke, prod, and examine you, searching for any defect that might affect your performance.

00:37:24.800 Well, duh.

00:37:25.880 Like, you guys are probably the sports fans, but like, isn't that important to know if there is a defect?

00:37:32.640 Say you're going to draft like a, like a starting pitcher.

00:37:35.580 You want to know if he's had Tommy John surgery, right?

00:37:38.140 Like, you want to know if his elbow works, right?

00:37:40.320 It's not about being black or white.

00:37:42.120 It's not about slavery.

00:37:43.160 It's about, you're about to spend millions of dollars investing in the future of this young kid.

00:37:47.360 And you need to know if they can play.

00:37:49.440 Well, I just don't understand also what's, where the race component of this comes into.

00:37:53.780 But let me have this.

00:37:54.600 Well, let me help you, Josh, because he says, no boundary respect, no dignity left intact.

00:38:00.700 This is the NFL.

00:38:02.000 So he makes it sound like they're doing strip searches of the players.

00:38:05.620 And this is where he makes the leap to slavery.

00:38:08.140 So, I mean, it's just the absurdity to compare what he willingly went through.

00:38:13.020 And by the way, I'm told that in his role as, you know, former quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, his deal wound up being worth forty three million dollars to being a slave is a real F you America moment.

00:38:29.180 And I think it's an F you Colin Kaepernick moment. 0.99

00:38:31.680 I can't believe somebody at Netflix didn't get up and walk their asses out over this bullshit propaganda about our country, the NFL, white people in general. 1.00

00:38:42.080 This is outrageous. 1.00

00:38:43.020 Well said, Megan.

00:38:45.020 Well said.

00:38:45.860 Not to mention the fact that he's making literally tens of millions of dollars from Nike, which is operating in a five iron away from a concentration camp.

00:38:54.060 Right.

00:38:54.480 In China.

00:38:54.980 Right.

00:38:55.120 I mean, this is this is not some sort of sort of moral equivalence that somehow this guy has figured out and the rest of us haven't.

00:39:02.900 This is a guy who has exploited a capitalist system in a way that very few could.

00:39:08.680 Right.

00:39:09.160 I mean, he's been the beneficiary of outrage that he alone has created that he's parlayed into multiple contracts with massive corporate entities, all of which have their own moral dilemmas.

00:39:23.040 He's laughing all the way to the bank.

00:39:24.920 He's not.

00:39:26.100 He's overjoyed.

00:39:28.220 OK, now we're going to pick it up.

00:39:29.660 I like asking the Ruth's guys about stuff that I don't know where they're going to come down on.

00:39:33.220 And next, that's that subject's going to be Alec Baldwin.

00:39:36.760 And it's got an interesting parallel because do you remember Kim Potter?

00:39:41.320 She's the cop who accidentally shot Daunte Wright last April.

00:39:47.500 Remember, she said taser taser. 0.97

00:39:49.280 And she actually wound up shooting in an accidental shooting where she goes on trial starting this month.

00:39:53.600 And boy, oh, boy, has the media treated that case very differently than the accidental shooting we just saw on a Hollywood set.

00:39:58.560 I realize they're different, but it's kind of an interesting topic.

00:40:00.940 We're going to take it up next.

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00:40:31.760 All right, guys, so I've been following the Alec Baldwin thing.

00:40:34.060 It's kind of interesting just to watch how it plays out and how the media covers it, right?

00:40:37.980 And it's been, in my estimation, a pretty quick rush to cover for him, downplay his role in it.

00:40:42.900 And I realize he did not intend to shoot the cinematographer on set of his movie, Rust, which is now not going to come out, he says.

00:40:50.380 But he did take a gun on set and point it at somebody, and it went off.

00:40:57.040 I don't know whether he pulled the trigger or if it went off accidentally, but it went off.

00:41:00.940 And you are not supposed to point a gun at somebody, even if you believe it's loaded with blanks or dummy rounds as an actor on set.

00:41:08.860 So there is some potential culpability on his part there.

00:41:12.020 And he was a producer of this movie, which had multiple safety violations, according to reports.

00:41:17.040 So he's in it. He's in the hot seat, potentially legally, as we discussed with Alan Dershowitz yesterday.

00:41:23.400 Media loves to cover for somebody like Alec Baldwin because not because he's a Hollywood celebrity.

00:41:28.980 I doubt they'd be doing this for Clint Eastwood.

00:41:31.320 It's because he's a lefty and he's a committed lefty and he hates Trump.

00:41:35.520 And he literally was the embodiment of Trump for Saturday Night Live and ripped him to shreds.

00:41:40.260 And I think their instinct with somebody like that is cover, cover, cover.

00:41:43.760 Now, when it's a real life police officer like Kim Potter, who makes a mistake, higher charge of responsibility, not trying to say it's the same thing.

00:41:53.280 But we saw that woman's mistake unfold on national television when she accidentally discharged her firearm instead of her taser.

00:42:02.920 And it happened in April.

00:42:04.720 She shot a guy named Dante Wright who had tried to flee.

00:42:08.680 There had been a violent resisting of arrest.

00:42:10.860 He had sought to drag two cops while they held on to his car.

00:42:15.500 After that resisting arrest, there was an outstanding warrant for this guy's arrests and so on and so forth.

00:42:20.560 And just for viewers who don't remember, here's what happened when Kim Potter accidentally discharged her firearm against him.

00:42:26.760 Clearly an accidental shooting.

00:42:49.920 I mean, you could hear it. 1.00

00:42:51.100 She's all shit. 1.00

00:42:52.020 You know, it was my firearm. 1.00

00:42:53.360 Um, she now is going on trial, guys, uh, facing 15 years or more.

00:43:00.800 Prosecutors saw prosecutors have sought an upward departure in the sentencing guidelines for this cop who doesn't have some long history of problems.

00:43:10.360 They want her thrown away without the key and couldn't care less that it was an accident or not.

00:43:17.940 And to me, it just sort of shows the difference in how our society is leaning right now.

00:43:22.460 At least the leftists are leaning when it comes to accidental awfulness, right?

00:43:28.700 True accidents.

00:43:29.660 How do we punish them?

00:43:30.500 Does it depend on your partisan stripes, on your uniform?

00:43:33.620 What do you make of it?

00:43:35.200 Well, look, I mean, both are incredibly tragic events, right, Megan?

00:43:39.500 I mean, these are, these are, are areas where people lost their lives.

00:43:43.260 I see them totally differently in the Potter case.

00:43:46.220 I think this is one of the, of the moment issues that we are facing as a society when it comes to police and doing their job, right?

00:43:54.300 This is a situation, clearly she's made a mistake.

00:43:57.280 Uh, and if she made a mistake in close proximity to all of the public outrage that would follow the George Floyd, uh, murder in Minneapolis, um, the proximity of it alone has caused prosecutors to take this incredibly seriously.

00:44:13.060 As you said, I didn't know this, but, but if they're seeking enhanced sentencing guidelines, that seems absolutely absurd, but it is part of the national dialogue that we, that we are having.

00:44:23.700 We as conservatives, I think need to provide a better balance on this and speak to these issues a little bit more specifically than, than just the fact that crime's rising, right?

00:44:34.440 We all know that we also have an obligation to defend law enforcement officers in my view, who are out there risking their lives, trying to keep our communities safe and know that accidents do happen.

00:44:46.580 And they're thrown into complicated situations.

00:44:48.480 And this isn't the only case.

00:44:49.920 I mean, obviously the media would like to focus on an accidental discharge and not, you know, a suspect fleeing, right?

00:44:57.000 Or you have these other cases where you remember the knife attack where there were the two young women were LeBron tweeted about and, and, and this one girl is, has the other girl pinned against a car and she has a knife and she is shot by an officer responding on the scene to a high pressure situation where you have to make snap judgments.

00:45:17.380 These officers have a very, very hard job.

00:45:19.420 When the media reported it, no one was talking about the knife.

00:45:21.420 There were media people who are saying it was just, you know, it's just a childhood knife fight, which is the wildest thing.

00:45:28.020 I mean, I don't recall any knife fights from my childhood.

00:45:30.100 So I guess, I guess I, I say that, I say that as another sort of answer to your question, Megan.

00:45:34.820 And that is like also the media, you know, in the aftermath of George Floyd has really changed the way that they report out these stories.

00:45:44.860 And I mean, I think part of it is to generate more outrage and to generate more clicks and more revenue.

00:45:50.520 And to take something as, you know, horrific and a tragedy, an accidental discharge to this level where now we're in court trying to enhance punishments, I think reflects that, that change in the way that the discussion is, is, has, happens through the media.

00:46:09.960 We used to be able to look and see an accident and identify as an accident, as a terrible human failing in the moment and not try to pretend it's something akin to murder.

00:46:21.640 And that's, I think what should happen in the case of Kim Potter was clearly an accidental discharge and she should not be thrown in jail for 15 plus years.

00:46:29.360 And nor should Alec Baldwin, even though he, he'll have to answer for why he did point the gun.

00:46:34.660 In any event, all of it plays out in the national eye and as does Ruthless with Michael Josh and Comfortably Smug, the ever elusive.

00:46:42.680 Thanks so much for being with us, you guys.

00:46:44.240 All the best with it.

00:46:45.640 Highly recommend it to all of you.

00:46:47.340 And don't forget to stick around because Selena Zito will be here right after this break. 1.00

00:46:51.300 Love her too.

00:46:57.440 Joining me now is Selena Zito, a columnist for the Washington Examiner and a reporter who has traveled all over the country talking to everyday folks, including in Virginia, the battleground state voting today on its next governor.

00:47:10.060 We're going to talk about Virginia, yes, but also the media's meltdown around Tucker Carlson's January 6th documentary.

00:47:17.860 You can find all of Selena's work, by the way, at Selena, S-A-L-E-N-A-Z-O-Z-I-T-O dot com.

00:47:25.120 She joins me now.

00:47:25.760 Selena, great to have you here.

00:47:26.620 Thank you for being here.

00:47:28.180 Thank you so much for having me.

00:47:29.640 It's always a pleasure.

00:47:30.940 Likewise.

00:47:31.680 So, OK, let's talk about Virginia.

00:47:33.380 First of all, can I just tell you first and foremost, I was stunned to see Larry Sabato.

00:47:37.560 Good old Larry Sabato of the crystal ball.

00:47:40.880 We used to have him on the Kelly file all the time.

00:47:43.240 I don't know what's wrong with Larry, but he went on Fox or not on Fox on MSNBC yesterday and said if if McAuliffe loses.

00:47:53.200 And by the way, his own crystal ball just moved Virginia to Leans Youngkin.

00:47:57.460 They moved it from Leans McAuliffe to Leans Youngkin.

00:47:59.620 He goes on MSNBC and says if McAuliffe loses, it's not about critical.

00:48:05.840 It's not about theory.

00:48:07.100 It's about race and white rage.

00:48:11.480 It was essentially what he said.

00:48:13.860 I guess Larry's lost his marbles, but playing right into the McAuliffe closing message of playing the race card, trying to stir up minority voters in Virginia to fear Glenn Youngkin and his supporters as some sort of white nationalists.

00:48:28.500 Yeah, you know, it's really a shame.

00:48:29.840 I saw this behavior with Dr. Sabato beginning in 2015.

00:48:34.640 And it's sort of part of, you know, what I've talked about.

00:48:39.020 What I think about a lot is our cultural curators, people that are leaders in corporations, institutions, large media, academia, and sports entities who sort of live in the same super zip codes and do not share the same values as the people that they either are trying to sell something to or are trying to get their butts in their seats or are trying to instruct them on things that they're supposed to be experts on.

00:49:07.240 And, you know, if Dr. Sabato had spent any time at all listening to voters, he would have understood that this election cycle has absolutely nothing to do with race.

00:49:21.760 It's a very locally driven, it's a very locally driven, localism driven election cycle that has to do with things that have to do with family, education, community, crime and safety.

00:49:33.460 And those are the top issues with voters and and to to just dismiss it out of hand as being about race, which is something that unfortunately happens in our profession a lot, sort of takes away the values of what is important to voters.

00:49:53.460 And they miss an election once again.

00:49:56.160 Well, I mean, to me, there is an element of race on the ballot, but it's not with respect to, oh, white nationalists versus, you know, people who want to fight racism. 0.86

00:50:05.100 It's about the infiltration into our K through 12 schools of this very divisive ideology and method of teaching that white people are oppressors.

00:50:14.960 Black people are the oppressed, which both both sides, both colors, both all groups find offensive.

00:50:21.480 Right. Black people don't want no longer want to be told no more want to be told that they're oppressed than white people want to be told they're the oppressors, especially children who have nothing to do with any of this. 0.93

00:50:29.740 So I think that is definitely one of the things being debated down there, but not in the way that he dismisses if McAuliffe loses.

00:50:38.140 It's a it's basically a white backlash, which is what he said.

00:50:41.840 Now, let me ask you about this, because the CRT problem down in Virginia is the same CRT problem we're having in states across this country where this this terrible ideology is being taught to children as young as five and six years old.

00:50:55.940 And if you listen to our media right now, I mean, if you were to listen, well, forget McAuliffe, Biden, our education secretary, Cardona, just went on the view and said we don't teach CRT in schools K through 12.

00:51:08.260 It's a lie. It's a lie. As a mom of three young school children, I can tell you it's 100 percent true that they're teaching some derision of of CRT in our schools.

00:51:19.820 I don't care what you call you if it's classical law school, critical race theory. Who gives a shit? It's some it's some relative of that, but they deny it. 0.99

00:51:29.040 And I'll just give you one example this morning. So I every morning I listen to the left and the right podcast and I read the left and the right.

00:51:35.820 And this morning I did my daily listen to NPR's podcast. And here was how they were covering the Virginia race and CRT.

00:51:42.480 Virginia's odd year elections are often seen as representative of national trends. Democrat Terry McAuliffe was governor once before and campaigned on his past performance.

00:51:52.140 Republican Glenn Youngkin is a former private equity CEO who picked up Republican criticism of schools, often criticizing them for things the schools don't teach.

00:52:01.420 We did see very different strategies for animating the base. For Youngkin, that means drawing on conservative anxieties around education.

00:52:08.260 At a packed rally at an airport hangar, he first cited Martin Luther King Jr. saying we should judge people based on their character, not race.

00:52:16.300 Then he said schools were teaching students to view everything through the lens of race.

00:52:20.340 And so on day one, I will ban critical race theory from being in our schools.

00:52:25.440 And it's worth noting here that critical race theory isn't actually in Virginia's K through 12 curriculum.

00:52:31.000 OK, so he's going to ban a thing that isn't happening.

00:52:33.500 Is Terry McAuliffe, the Democrat, even bothering to respond to that or do people in Virginia get it like this is not real?

00:52:41.280 Oh, my God, it's infuriating.

00:52:43.800 It's it is.

00:52:46.200 Yeah, my mind is blown.

00:52:49.780 And it really sort of is an example of lack of critical or, you know, just sort of going in and finding out what's happening rather than saying how you feel about something as a reporter.

00:53:05.420 You know, there's there's a lack of intellectual curiosity.

00:53:08.640 Let's go in and find out what's going on.

00:53:10.880 Let's go in and see if this is happening.

00:53:13.160 And then the other problem is, Megan, and I think this is important to point out, is that a lot of these reporters who, again, as I talked about, live in these sort of super zip codes and, you know, sort of share values with a lot of things that are important to Democrats, might not even see it as critical race theory.

00:53:35.220 They might look at that and say, oh, this is how I feel.

00:53:38.500 This is normal.

00:53:40.020 But it's not.

00:53:41.520 And it's not.

00:53:42.540 And they discount firsthand accounts of it.

00:53:45.540 I mean, this is a mom from Loudoun County.

00:53:47.960 That's the county in which we had the the rape of the young girl in the school. 0.98

00:53:53.040 There was an update on that today, by the way, that the mother of the perpetrator spoke to the Daily Mail.

00:53:57.700 But listen to this Loudoun County mom. 1.00

00:54:00.020 You tell her that there's nothing approaching critical race theory being taught in Virginia schools.

00:54:04.780 Listen.

00:54:06.340 My children are now in private school and are thriving.

00:54:09.340 We had specifically moved into a case out of LCPS due to the swift and uncompromising political agenda of superintendents Williams, Ziegler, and the school board that have forced upon us.

00:54:20.220 First, it was in early spring of 2020 when my six-year-old somberly came to me and asked me if she was born evil because she was a white person, something she learned in a history lesson at school.

00:54:29.620 Then you kept the schools closed for a year and a half despite the science indicating that it was safe for kids to return.

00:54:34.780 And now you've covered up a rape, then arrested, humiliated, and falsely accused her parents of being domestic terrorists.

00:54:40.520 I wish I could return my kids to LCPS.

00:54:42.960 Private school is expensive and I want my kids to be able to walk home from school with their friends in their own community.

00:54:48.200 I refuse to allow you to destroy our schools.

00:54:51.380 They are not your schools.

00:54:52.920 They are our schools.

00:54:53.900 You all should be ashamed and you should have the moral courage to admit you are wrong and step down.

00:55:01.260 Yeah.

00:55:02.160 Right?

00:55:03.440 Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:04.760 So here's an interesting thing, Megan.

00:55:06.800 I actually wrote about this last year.

00:55:09.040 This movement away from how, you know, sort of Democrats and how critical race theory has been presented began very granularly when parents were all of a sudden at home with their children in 2020.

00:55:28.000 And they're hearing and seeing in a more intimate and in-your-face way of how their children were being taught and what they were being taught.

00:55:38.500 And then that sort of snowballed into all of a sudden realizing, oh, my goodness, look how much power a school board has over my children in terms of what they learned.

00:55:49.260 And then another layer was at is look how much power a teacher's union has. 0.96

00:55:54.540 And so this the building blocks of this movement began, I would argue, in the spring of 2020 and has just continued to snowball as parents have understood the influence that that has been sort of taught to their their children in a way that they didn't understand when they sent their kids off to school.

00:56:16.060 Yeah. And this is a massive dodge and massive gaslighting by the Democrats and the media who are trying to tell us that critical race theory is not taught in K through 12.

00:56:27.500 You can call it whatever the hell you want.

00:56:29.800 I don't care.

00:56:30.680 Great. Let's find a new name.

00:56:32.300 But let's deal with what's real. 0.85

00:56:34.480 What's real is that woman, six year old, was taught that she's evil because she's white, that in my kid's school, the teachers were told that in every classroom where white children learn, there is a future killer cop.

00:56:46.420 And then you've got reporting by Azra Namani, who's part of Parents Defending Education, a great, great group who's just come out with a piece saying in Fairfax County Public Schools, that's Virginia, but this could be any county America.

00:56:58.960 She's been provided with documents showing that one of their staffers, Rob Kerr, has been teaching a weekly two hour course to the teachers.

00:57:07.520 Why do they want the teachers to have this education so they can impart it to the children? 0.79

00:57:10.840 They can go into the school armed with this information at Marshall High School in Virginia called How to Be an Anti-Racist Educator.

00:57:17.600 Oh, it has such a nice title.

00:57:18.840 Sure. Great. We all know at this point, anti-racist means racist.

00:57:22.860 And these are just some of the items.

00:57:24.220 OK, exploring and understanding whiteness.

00:57:27.140 They are told to listen to this podcast by Bettina Love.

00:57:32.000 We've heard her name report before, thanks to Chris Rufo, who's done great reporting on Bettina Love, who is a critical race theorist.

00:57:38.860 And it borrows key concepts from CRT, which holds that.

00:57:42.500 Here's just a few items. 0.99

00:57:44.000 All white people are intrinsic oppressors of minorities and especially black people. 0.99

00:57:49.360 Education officials and politicians are denying all of this. 1.00

00:57:51.960 Right. But but this particular woman, Bettina Love, has got a long history of problematic teachings that go on and on about how dangerous white people are, how white people are to blame for the oppression of black people. 0.94

00:58:05.820 And I could go on and on with a long list of all the stuff that she has said.

00:58:08.980 But it's divisive and it's problematic.

00:58:10.600 And it's what's got parents so outraged, Selena.

00:58:13.840 And it's what could actually change this gubernatorial race today.

00:58:17.140 Absolutely. And I think what is interesting is that, you know, if you talk and you and or listen to black voters and Hispanic voters in Virginia, they are as infuriated about this teaching, this critical race teaching or what a theory teacher or whatever.

00:58:37.560 Again, it's probably going to get different names to try to sort of dilute that name, but they are as equally frustrated as white parents are. 0.51

00:58:48.120 They don't want people divided.

00:58:50.100 These are people that live in their neighborhood.

00:58:52.160 These are their kids play with each other's kids.

00:58:54.920 Why would you create a tension that doesn't, you know, need to exist?

00:58:58.980 And I think the other thing that is interesting, because I travel so much across the country, I have never seen so many signs for new people running for school board in small towns and medium towns and suburban areas all over the Great Lakes Midwest and down through Appalachia and in through Virginia as I have this time.

00:59:21.140 But I think we're going to see a lot of turnover in school boards because parents are getting more involved as they start to understand that they have the power to run and be a part of the solution and not be part of the problem.

00:59:36.800 Mm hmm. Why would a school district require teachers to listen to Bettina Love, who, again, this is according to Chris Rufo, his earlier reporting on her. 0.77

00:59:49.340 But the latest reporting is that she's being taught in the in the Fairfax County Public Schools.

00:59:54.000 Why would you want somebody to have access to your child's teacher who says as follows?

00:59:57.840 Just a couple examples of her. This is Rufo's reporting.

01:00:00.280 She once gave a presentation to the San Diego Unified School System, saying racism runs deep in the United States and blacks alone know who America really is.

01:00:09.980 She believes children learn better from teachers of the same race.

01:00:13.800 She doesn't like whites teaching blacks or I don't know how she feels about the opposite. 0.98

01:00:18.560 She says public schools do not see blacks as human, that public schools are guilty of systemic anti blackness and the spirit murder of black and brown babies. 0.99

01:00:28.840 She says whites are directly responsible for the plight of, quote, dark children. 0.98

01:00:35.820 She wants, quote, abolitionist teachings. 0.99

01:00:38.960 Whites, she says, need therapy to overcome their racism, ignorance and history of harm. 0.99

01:00:45.940 She says, again, Bettina Love, whiteness reproduces poverty, failing schools, high unemployment and trauma for people of color. 0.99

01:00:55.760 Again, I don't care what you want to call it.

01:01:00.960 I think it has direct links to CRT.

01:01:03.020 But the point is that is manifesting in our schools, from our teachers.

01:01:08.880 And ultimately, as that woman said, out of the mouths of babes when they come home, not understanding why they're being shamed for a pigmentation over which they have zero control.

01:01:18.780 Right. Absolutely. And, you know, you just that list of things you just said is so disheartening is not the right reaction.

01:01:31.600 It's it's just shocking.

01:01:33.520 Yeah. And it's disgusting.

01:01:34.800 It really is disgusting.

01:01:37.340 And I think this is why you have seen an exodus of parents leaving public schools, going into private schools or homeschooling.

01:01:46.420 Not every parent can afford that.

01:01:48.500 Not every parent has the capabilities of doing homeschooling.

01:01:50.800 So that's where you then see parents getting involved in public schools.

01:01:55.820 And that's why you see people running for school board or making their voice known at school board meetings and getting involved with the Parent Teachers Association.

01:02:05.500 All kinds of great movements in American culture and American history always begin at the ground level, no matter what they have been, from civil rights to to abolition.

01:02:17.480 All of those things began at the ground level, began in communities.

01:02:21.040 And this is one of those instances.

01:02:24.240 I have I have said for for months, this election cycle beginning today, all across the country, I'm really interested in following a lot of races across the country, not just Virginia, on very local races.

01:02:39.500 This is an inside outside moment where it's not just left and right.

01:02:45.360 Left and right pretty much means tight, close elections like we saw last year, like we saw the presidential in the House and the Senate.

01:02:53.780 Right. Everything's pretty much down the middle.

01:02:56.380 This inside outside thing always hurts the party in power.

01:03:01.120 We saw it in 2006 when the Republicans lost those midterm elections.

01:03:06.880 We saw it again in 2010, again in 2014.

01:03:11.020 And I think that that's where we are headed.

01:03:13.400 And again in 2018 for the Democrats over the Republicans.

01:03:18.200 But I think that we are, again, in another way because people are unsatisfied with who we sent to Washington.

01:03:26.560 You know, we send people we sent the America sent Biden and sent the Democrats to Washington, not the huge mandate, not with a big, overwhelming majority.

01:03:37.760 They listen to what they ran on, they ran on being, you know, things are going to get calm, we're going to return to normal.

01:03:45.200 And Washington, once again, misreads why they were sent and decides that they're just going to spend like a bunch of drunken sailors and, you know, sort of redo our society.

01:03:57.440 And that's why people are are upset with with Democrats.

01:04:01.900 It's not that they love Republicans again or that they are in love with Republicans.

01:04:07.920 They're just really mad at Democrats.

01:04:10.440 Yeah. So that's an interesting way of looking at it.

01:04:12.540 When you say inside outside, you're talking.

01:04:14.620 Yeah.

01:04:14.840 The inside is the elites who are elected and are sitting in the side, the beltway outsiders are, in this case, parents nationwide, Democrat and Republican who are saying you don't have a mandate to shove this kind of stuff down the throats of our kids to spend on our kids dime to pull troops out of Afghanistan in the way that you did.

01:04:36.380 Like you were not given this blank check to push through the these, you know, crazy agenda items that do not reflect our values, whether we have a D or an R after our names.

01:04:48.760 Yes, this is very independent driven and it's taking along people along with it.

01:04:57.720 It's it's adding to the coalition to the party that is out of power, which is the Republicans.

01:05:03.260 And the best thing they could do is not do anything at all in terms of earning these voters.

01:05:11.140 And and I think that, you know, one of the things that we we sort of miss is just how.

01:05:21.480 How death Washington has become and their negligence on a lot of issues.

01:05:28.860 You know, one of the Afghanistan has had more of an impact than I think anybody really realized. 0.52

01:05:37.120 But when I when that happened in late August, I saw a dramatic shift among suburban independent voters.

01:05:45.000 I saw them move away from the Democrats and they have not moved back because it's not because they didn't want America to leave Afghanistan.

01:05:56.480 However, there's a nuance there where, you know, Democratic reporters tend to forget to ask the second, third and fourth question.

01:06:04.140 They do not like how it was done.

01:06:06.500 They believe that it was negligent.

01:06:08.000 Negligent that believe that it did not live up to American standards and they have moved away and the Democrats have done nothing in a series of successive events to earn them back.

01:06:19.560 It's so funny because it's like they the administration told us that it was handled perfectly.

01:06:25.400 It was incredibly smooth.

01:06:26.520 It was like, OK, people know that's not true.

01:06:29.820 They say this stuff's not being taught in schools.

01:06:32.520 People know that's not true.

01:06:33.960 By the way, Virginia is a very big military state.

01:06:37.020 Yeah.

01:06:37.460 And so it's almost it underscores your inside outside thing because it's like we already don't trust you.

01:06:43.200 We already think you don't get us.

01:06:44.840 We might normally vote for you because we like whatever your tax policy or we like Medicare for all, whatever the proposal is.

01:06:52.040 But we don't want to be lied to.

01:06:53.640 And we know what our eyes see and what our ears hear.

01:06:56.940 And the fact that you either don't see it or you do see it and are lying about it creates an even bigger gulf between us.

01:07:05.020 And you might need to be taught a lesson.

01:07:07.300 You might need to be taught a lesson at the ballot box.

01:07:09.780 And even I, as a Democrat or I, as a left leaning independent, this is the voters speaking.

01:07:15.700 I'm going to go in there and I'm going to vote for Youngkin, knowing that we have a Biden in the White House.

01:07:20.900 Right.

01:07:21.020 We have Democrats are more likely to vote cross party lines.

01:07:24.000 It works the other way, too.

01:07:24.840 When you've got your party represented at the top, top level to teach you that lesson that you work for me, not the other way around.

01:07:33.920 Yeah, absolutely.

01:07:36.080 It's no different than Republican leaning voters voting against Republicans, even if it was against their own interest in 2018 in those midterms and or against their own interest in 2020 when voting for president.

01:07:51.920 They aren't as tribal as as we are led to believe.

01:07:56.340 They are voters for very independent thinking.

01:07:59.340 And all you have to do is look at how much the ballots are are split in a lot of states like Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania.

01:08:09.460 Let's just take Pennsylvania as an example in 2020.

01:08:12.980 Joe Biden won.

01:08:14.620 OK, he won narrowly.

01:08:16.580 We forget to say that.

01:08:18.180 More importantly, the state actually became more conservative.

01:08:21.820 Two of the three statewide elected office went to Republicans who had no money and no message.

01:08:29.520 And the Democrats were flush with money, but they won those statewide elections.

01:08:34.100 And if you look down ballot, Republicans were supposed to lose two of the 18 congressional or nine seats that they held.

01:08:43.320 They didn't lose them.

01:08:44.200 They won them.

01:08:44.780 They didn't win them narrowly.

01:08:45.980 They won them handsomely.

01:08:47.140 And in the state house, in the state Senate, Republicans were supposed to lose their majorities in both of those houses.

01:08:54.720 Not only did they, first of all, not have any money and Michael Bloomberg and Eric Holder had all the money.

01:09:01.400 They not only did a lot, didn't lose a seat, they gained five seats.

01:09:06.420 So voters were already chalice sending a message to Washington, but they didn't read it.

01:09:11.120 They said, oh, Joe Biden won.

01:09:12.960 We have a majority.

01:09:14.140 Let's go and do whatever we want.

01:09:15.360 Yeah, we're not just a majority, a sweeping mandate, which is just not being reflected.

01:09:19.120 That's why 70 percent of the people don't like the direction of the country right now, which is not so great for the incumbent.

01:09:24.840 More with Selena Zito in just one minute. 0.95

01:09:27.280 We're going to get into the crazy loosening of screws over Tucker Carlson's new documentary on January 6th.

01:09:34.660 I mean, the media's lost it.

01:09:36.680 So they're so angry about Tucker doing this.

01:09:39.980 Everything Tucker does gets this kind of reaction.

01:09:42.340 We're going to talk about it just a little bit.

01:09:45.360 So let's talk about Tucker, my pal Tucker Carlson, who I do love and I love that he upsets people.

01:09:55.940 And he takes risks and that's fine by me.

01:09:58.480 I mean, I think we need some risk taking.

01:10:00.680 It gets celebrated when it hurts a Republican.

01:10:03.160 It doesn't get celebrated when it's somebody like Tucker as saying something that might be that might undermine a narrative that has taken hold.

01:10:10.900 And I've learned this myself.

01:10:12.800 If you touch January 6th with any narrative other than it's horrible and Trump and all of his acolytes should never be seen again. 0.96

01:10:20.600 They will sick the knives on you.

01:10:22.760 So Tucker never cares about that stuff.

01:10:24.440 And he is putting out a documentary called Patriot Purge.

01:10:28.660 Last night they aired part one.

01:10:30.120 This is on Fox Nation, not the news channel.

01:10:32.520 They put out part one.

01:10:34.580 And they suggested that we have yet to find sort of the main group who organized what we were told was an insurrection.

01:10:44.080 They posit in the first piece that this has been compared 1-6 to 9-11.

01:10:51.460 And yet we knew who committed 9-11 and we knew it almost immediately.

01:10:54.740 And here we are, you know, months and months after 1-6 and we still don't know.

01:11:00.360 And why is that?

01:11:02.640 And they sort of suggest that there were some rebel rousers within this group who meant to stoke violence, confrontation, problems.

01:11:12.480 Some may have been FBI, some may have been sort of left-leaning agitators, but they were not necessarily all diehard Trumpkins who believed they were there to storm the Capitol and stop the steal.

01:11:26.460 So that leads me to my question to you, which is the – okay, that's his perspective.

01:11:32.220 That's actually how most Republicans feel.

01:11:34.500 If you look at the polls, that's actually how most Republicans feel.

01:11:37.620 Shock, it is.

01:11:38.820 The media has had a complete and embarrassing meltdown over the fact that this is going on Fox Nation.

01:11:47.140 Okay, it's not even the news channel.

01:11:48.840 And I'm going to play that mashup for you of some of that.

01:11:53.120 This is a Gravian mashup, you guys.

01:11:55.520 Just asking my team again.

01:11:57.240 Yeah, it's Gravian.

01:11:58.640 And just here's a flavor for the meltdown over Tucker's documentary.

01:12:02.760 Tucker Carlson has created a terrorist recruitment video.

01:12:10.280 Fox TV branching into fantasy programming.

01:12:12.980 A new series from Tucker Carlson traffics in conspiracy theories surrounding the insurrection on January 6th.

01:12:18.580 Tucker Carlson attempting to rewrite history around the January 6th insurrection.

01:12:23.080 Tucker Carlson makes a tribute video for the terrorists.

01:12:26.560 Tucker Carlson is hitting a new low, completely rewriting the history of the Capitol insurrection in a way that defies belief.

01:12:34.560 Tuckums previewed a documentary that goes beyond the usual Daughters of the Confederacy rewrite of the January 6th insurrection.

01:12:42.540 The Murdochs and Tucker Carlson, their primetime pyromaniac, appear to be hellbent on dragging this country into a civil war.

01:12:51.420 Jefferson Davis would be proud.

01:12:53.420 I'm so sorry.

01:12:59.400 Seriously?

01:13:00.520 How many more adjectives could they pull out to describe this?

01:13:04.320 Civil war.

01:13:05.760 I just feel like they haven't used enough.

01:13:08.860 Right.

01:13:09.220 It wasn't colorful enough.

01:13:10.840 Daughters of the Confederate revel.

01:13:12.100 I'm like, okay.

01:13:13.300 Joy Reid's always good for a laugh.

01:13:16.220 Oh, my stars.

01:13:17.660 So the first to your point about risk taking, you know, Purdue President Mitch Daniels this year, I don't know if you heard it, did this incredible speech to all the students, encouraging them to take risks.

01:13:34.700 And so I commend Tucker Carlson for taking that risk and going into a place and looking at something from a different worldview.

01:13:52.460 And even more importantly, taking a look at it to me, I haven't seen it yet, but it appears as though this is a 365 look at what happened, warts and all, and sort of some intellectual curiosity as to what really happened.

01:14:11.520 And how did it start and where did the grains of this begin?

01:14:16.020 Yeah, well, the they're getting criticized.

01:14:19.520 He's getting criticized for suggesting, was this a false flag operation?

01:14:23.660 And what that means is, is he positing that, in fact, this whole thing was really being pushed by, say, Democrats or the FBI versus Trump supporters and Trump himself?

01:14:35.060 And as I understand it, a question is being raised based on what we saw with Governor Whitmer, where remember, there was there was reporting that she was the target of this kidnapping plot and they were going to do terrible things to her.

01:14:50.500 And then it turned out something like nine of the 15 guys who were allegedly hatching this plot on her were FBI and were pushing it.

01:14:58.220 And it does raise a legitimate question in that case about, is this like an FBI infiltration so that they can report on and keep an eye on a crime?

01:15:07.400 Or is this the FBI creating a crime that would not have otherwise taken place in the hopes of catching a couple of losers on the criminality hook?

01:15:18.640 And if that's the way the question gets asked and there's evidence that there and there already there is some evidence that there was some law enforcement infiltrating on nine on one six.

01:15:27.440 From what I understand, why is it not a fair question to at least ask that false flag exactly?

01:15:32.860 But to what extent was law enforcement involved?

01:15:35.380 To what extent were Democratic operatives involved?

01:15:38.680 That's a fair question to ask.

01:15:41.320 Yes, we are supposed to ask all the questions, even the ones as journalists that make us uncomfortable.

01:15:48.060 Why?

01:15:49.100 Because it is our duty to find out what happened.

01:15:53.240 We need to understand that.

01:15:55.280 And if we only want to ask the questions that make us comfortable or safe or or line up with an ideology, then we're not doing our job.

01:16:07.300 We're not being thorough.

01:16:08.600 And we have to question institutions.

01:16:11.100 We have to question authority.

01:16:13.360 And wherever that takes us, that is what happened.

01:16:17.300 No matter how, no matter, no matter if it's what we want it to be or not, we should, as journalists, ask the questions and get to the and get to the result.

01:16:28.440 What happened?

01:16:29.180 How did it happen?

01:16:30.100 By the way, the New York Times is reporting that at least two FBI informants were involved on January 6th.

01:16:36.400 So this is not like the actual facts of this are coming out bit by bit in the in the months post dating January 6th and a good reporter follows them.

01:16:45.380 And you don't if you don't have ideological blinders on this would be a fascinating story.

01:16:49.460 If there really is a significant FBI role or government role or Democrat role in creating what we saw on January 6th, which, I mean, was terrible.

01:16:58.640 There's no question, you know, hurting cops and people getting hurt.

01:17:01.320 And so the death of Ashley, all of it was awful to watch.

01:17:05.120 We should absolutely know who had a hand in it on both sides, whether they were law enforcement, meaning to keep an eye or who overstepped and crossed over into entrapment or Dems looking to create problems in the sort of the way Antifa does at some of these events.

01:17:19.540 We should know.

01:17:20.820 But we have a total lack of curiosity if it doesn't support capital T, capital N, the narrative.

01:17:26.540 Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:28.560 We have a lack of curiosity.

01:17:29.740 We have we also have a lack of risk.

01:17:32.480 And that's a problem if we're going to be good at our jobs because you get punished because, you know, why, Selena, in part right now?

01:17:39.920 There's a push by all these media people to get Facebook, Twitter.

01:17:45.400 They haven't posted this clip on YouTube, Tucker's show, the first installment, but Facebook, Twitter.

01:17:51.260 And I can't remember one other of the social media sites to to take off the clip.

01:17:55.600 Say it needs to be buried.

01:17:57.320 You can't even air it.

01:17:58.340 Right.

01:17:58.520 It's so offensive and incendiary.

01:18:00.520 And that's that's what leads people who aren't as powerful as Tucker with as big a platform to say, I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole.

01:18:06.520 People who might be more open minded to pursuing facts.

01:18:09.320 Right.

01:18:10.760 Absolutely.

01:18:11.320 When you see something getting silenced, when you see someone getting silenced, there's this this initial or this intuitive reaction to pull back because you're afraid of the ramifications.

01:18:24.140 You're afraid of of the impact that it's going to have on your personal life or your professional life.

01:18:29.660 I watched the New York Times reporter just get crushed yesterday because he interviewed someone who was a swing voter.

01:18:37.620 And all of a sudden, you know, he's being accused of not being fair.

01:18:42.300 And it was the fairest story I saw about this election.

01:18:46.620 So there are the consequences that happen in this in this very connected world where people who have no names and no faces can, in fact, destroy your life or at least put a dent in it.

01:19:01.120 Um, that that's a big problem.

01:19:04.260 It's so interesting to me.

01:19:05.580 And then you've got the Netflix situation where, you know, Ted Sarandos gets pummeled by his staff or airing the Dave Chappelle comedy, comedy special.

01:19:14.160 Um, and yet all those Netflix employees are fine with Colin Kaepernick coming out there and saying that the NFL draft or, you know, the combine is the same thing as slave trades.

01:19:25.920 And that I guess football players who voluntarily put themselves up in the hopes and dreams of making it into the NFL are the same as slaves.

01:19:38.520 No one's batting an eyelash.

01:19:41.400 I, you know, I, I, I encourage all of your listeners to please go and watch that, that clip from Colin Kaepernick's, um, special.

01:19:51.440 It is absolutely horrifying.

01:19:53.880 And I don't ever use that word lightly just to watch that and, and to watch this really just terrible storytelling that, that makes quite the leap as to how someone is treated in the NFL.

01:20:08.640 Uh, it's, it's, it does nothing, nothing good for our culture.

01:20:13.640 It does nothing good to mend any kind of, kind of divide that exists.

01:20:17.880 And it only further goes to divide us as a country and also as a culture.

01:20:23.160 And then, which circles right back to the inside outside thing that I talked about.

01:20:28.320 And that, and, and, and, and it is our cultural curators that are pushing this.

01:20:32.960 Look, Dave Chappelle, I remember the first time that my son put a show on, on television and, and he was a teenager at the time.

01:20:41.220 And I'm like, whoa, that's hysterical.

01:20:44.280 He's really has a lot of nerve.

01:20:46.660 Good for him.

01:20:47.400 And, and, and I think that you see independent minded and conservative people tend to lean towards, um, appreciating my, you know, they might not agree with everything that he says, appreciate that, that risk-taking, right.

01:21:02.900 That putting it out there and, and doing what he does, which is comedy.

01:21:08.980 It's comedy and comedy.

01:21:10.920 We were supposed to make fun of ourselves.

01:21:13.000 I grew up with Richard Pryor.

01:21:14.620 I grew up with George Carlin, which shows how old I am.

01:21:17.500 Um, but those men were also the great risk takers.

01:21:21.140 Can you, can you imagine, I mean, the fact that Colin Kaepernick is a black man should not excuse him dismissing the slave trade as he did.

01:21:31.480 The nerve to compare it to the NFL draft.

01:21:35.620 I mean, to me, it is like the most offensive thing I've seen in a long time.

01:21:39.200 And that's saying something in modern day America.

01:21:41.580 Um, all right, let's shift.

01:21:43.000 Take gears and talk to holidays.

01:21:44.520 One is Halloween and the next is Christmas.

01:21:47.140 Um, I talked with, about Alec Baldwin with our earlier panel, the guys from Ruthless, but Alec Baldwin and his weird wife, Hilaria, the fake Spaniard.

01:21:55.660 Um, she, they, in the midst of this whole scandal, Selena, that she decides to post their Halloween photo.

01:22:04.280 He killed a woman 10 days ago and I'm sure he's very stressed out.

01:22:10.540 She decides to post their weird family Halloween photo.

01:22:15.800 Talk about tone deaf.

01:22:17.360 Look at this.

01:22:18.340 Yeah.

01:22:18.480 This is her with her six children and him.

01:22:21.580 Oh, so fun.

01:22:22.900 You know, Helena Jens is dead. 0.98

01:22:24.980 And this is his actual daughter from his first marriage to, uh, Kim Basinger, Ireland Baldwin.

01:22:30.980 And she's getting hit for being totally tone deaf and her, you know, I've been attacked and I have blood running down my face.

01:22:36.920 Look at this.

01:22:37.640 She's covered in blood, fake blood on Halloween. 0.68

01:22:39.500 Um, I don't, to me, what this underscores is, these are the people who want to lecture us night and day about what's appropriate.

01:22:49.360 Okay.

01:22:50.220 No.

01:22:50.800 Yes.

01:22:51.640 Yeah.

01:22:51.840 They're the people that know better than we do.

01:22:54.880 And we're not, you know, sort of intelligent or cultured enough or savvy enough to lead our own lives.

01:23:01.580 So they're going to dictate it to us.

01:23:03.240 I don't know anyone who is in the middle of an extraordinarily stressful situation that would post these, these Instagram photos.

01:23:13.820 It just sort of shows the, the, the falsity of, of what Instagram, uh, showcases.

01:23:21.820 And he's, they're trying to show like this happy family.

01:23:24.720 And it was so wrong in so many ways.

01:23:28.280 And you know what, even worse is I bet that was sort of tested by 13 different PR people before they posted it.

01:23:37.160 I think Hilaria, Hilaria from Boston, by the way, how you say cucumber, you're American, you faker. 0.98

01:23:46.860 Um, she, she's obsessed with social media, with image.

01:23:50.860 She, even her little defensive Alec, when the paparazzi was following them the other day was about, I want to look like the protectress.

01:23:56.960 I want to look strong.

01:23:58.140 Meanwhile, he was like, shut up and get out of the shot.

01:24:00.320 And she's like, Oh good.

01:24:01.340 I'll just go home and post my fun Halloween selfies that make me look like a great mom, but totally oblivious to this one.

01:24:07.140 You don't know Helena's name.

01:24:08.340 Her name is Helena.

01:24:09.280 She said to the paparazzi, do you understand who you're, what you're dealing with here?

01:24:13.000 Cause you should not be posting Halloween shots 10 days after your husband killed a woman.

01:24:17.840 No, you should be off cam and you should not be posting your celebrations while her son is mourning his mom.

01:24:24.000 Um, and then turning around and trying, you know, it's just all of it.

01:24:26.860 Selina is stomach turning to me. 0.93

01:24:28.840 Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:30.320 I would say, you know, just lay low, kind of get out of the national scene and just stop.

01:24:37.420 Okay.

01:24:37.960 But I have one nice thing to end, to end the segment with.

01:24:40.800 And that is, uh, it's never too soon to look forward to Christmas.

01:24:43.760 As you know, it's November 2nd now.

01:24:45.340 And as of November 1st, they already started decorating the stores.

01:24:48.100 That's how it goes.

01:24:48.880 And Mariah Carey actually released, released a cute little video of her because she's got 0.79

01:24:54.960 that wonderful song.

01:24:56.000 Everybody loves.

01:24:56.580 I can't, it's like the one that we all look forward to, um, all I want for Christmas.

01:25:02.800 Sorry.

01:25:03.500 Yeah.

01:25:04.740 I'm no Mariah of her smashing the pumpkins and looking forward to Christmas.

01:25:09.360 It sort of gets you in the spirit.

01:25:11.160 So you tell me, is it too soon?

01:25:12.620 Is it too soon for us to look forward to Christmas and start considering the lights and the trees

01:25:17.040 and all the rest of it?

01:25:17.840 Absolutely not.

01:25:19.360 I mean, one of the things that is ingrained in the DNA of an American is to be aspirational

01:25:25.040 and have something to look forward to something with purpose that fulfills both of them when

01:25:30.800 she, when she, uh, when she did that. 0.98

01:25:33.480 And there is Christmas cannot come Christmas can be from now until January 1st.

01:25:39.600 And I think a lot of Americans will be like, yes, we just need something to celebrate.

01:25:45.400 We need to be part of something bigger than ourselves.

01:25:48.420 And, and I think that's what she was promoting and she was a big hit.

01:25:52.600 People loved it.

01:25:53.740 Remember Thanksgiving?

01:25:54.820 We used to celebrate that too.

01:25:56.040 In between.

01:25:56.640 I don't know.

01:25:58.060 Oh, no.

01:25:58.920 We'll be so Christmas.

01:26:00.080 Thanksgiving is sort of part of that, that whole stretch, right?

01:26:04.080 Right after, after Halloween.

01:26:05.760 And, and it's just part of getting ready for the holiday.

01:26:09.500 And I am fine having my Christmas tree up while I eat my Thanksgiving dinner.

01:26:15.000 A-okay with that.

01:26:16.640 Yeah.

01:26:17.280 I'm right with you.

01:26:18.960 Selina, it's so fun to talk to you.

01:26:20.360 Thank you for being here.

01:26:21.540 Thanks for having me.

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01:26:25.640 Really do appreciate the support for that very reason.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 02, 2021

All Eyes on Virginia, with Salena Zito, Comfortably Smug, Josh Holmes, and Michael Duncan ｜ Ep. 194

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