The Megyn Kelly Show - Allie Beth Stuckey on Protecting Women and Girls, Motherhood, and the Courage To Stand Up ｜ Ep. 130

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today on the program,

00:00:16.420 we've got Allie Beth Stuckey. She is the host of a very popular podcast called Relatable,

00:00:22.540 which you can get on The Blaze. She's also the author of the book, You're Not Enough,

00:00:26.420 and that's okay, escaping the toxic culture of self-love. She's an evangelical Christian,

00:00:33.400 very faith-based, and has an attitude and sort of an interpretation of life that matches up with

00:00:39.180 that, and it's one of the reasons I find her so interesting and so insightful. You know, it's like

00:00:42.960 if you are a conservative evangelical Christian, you know, Protestant in her case, you get bashed 0.78

00:00:50.400 regularly. No one cares about the bashing of you, right? Like your views are one of the last things

00:00:54.760 it's fine to bash. It's fine. You get called bigoted regularly because you have a Christian

00:00:58.840 view of, let's say, marriage and certainly trans issues and biological sex and so on. But we need

00:01:04.180 people like Allie Beth to sort of remind us of the foundation of a lot of the beliefs a lot of us

00:01:09.780 have. Now, I don't agree with her on things like gay marriage and so on, but I see her points in 1.00

00:01:15.220 standing up for children and what's appropriate to expose them to. And I think you're going to love her

00:01:20.980 because she's very, very popular with the evangelical crowd and her podcast is crossed over to even

00:01:27.740 folks who don't share those views, who just want to hear more traditional views discussed in a way

00:01:31.720 that's smart. So that's her and she's coming on in one minute. Stay tuned for Allie Beth. 0.99

00:01:42.200 So let's talk about, because I know you're the mother recently of two, just had your second baby,

00:01:47.280 so congrats on that. Thank you. And I know that you were talking the other day about

00:01:52.000 a story. Maybe you too, Allie, will be featured on Courtney Cox's show, Nine Months, which I think

00:01:58.320 is a Facebook show, where she features stories of difficult pregnancies and births. And she featured

00:02:06.180 one recently about a trans woman. Okay, the trans woman and just, I mean, it's like, it gets

00:02:14.180 confusing. So trans woman is a biological, yeah, biological male. Yeah, who married a trans man, 0.83

00:02:20.780 who's a biological woman, the trans man, who's a biological woman gave birth. Okay, so if the

00:02:28.260 person looks like a man is living like a man, but gave birth because they have a uterus and ovaries and

00:02:33.580 so on. Then the trans woman, who's a biological man, is trying to breastfeed the child. No wonder 1.00

00:02:44.700 it's difficult. But here's the soundbite from her show. The baby has been able to latch,

00:02:52.320 but I've not been able to produce any milk. That's okay, because we're going to supplement the feeding

00:02:57.980 with formula so that my baby is still getting the nutrients that they need. But I'm still feeling

00:03:05.660 hopeful. OMG. You are? Well, you shouldn't be. Yeah. It's not going to happen. There's no reason.

00:03:12.900 There's no reason to hope. Yeah, I did talk about that on my show the other day. So this is just your

00:03:18.360 standard, like straight couple. This is just a man and a woman who got pregnant the way that men and 0.92

00:03:24.060 women do, I suppose. And this woman gave birth to a baby. So it's really not that remarkable,

00:03:30.180 except for the fact that these two people consider themselves what's called two-spirit, which I don't

00:03:35.960 know exactly what that means. And like you said, the man identifies as a woman, the woman identifies

00:03:41.000 as a man. And they have so sold out to this delusion that the guy who says that he is a woman and wants to

00:03:49.760 be called a mother is trying to breastfeed. This poor child, who, like all children after they're 0.98

00:03:55.080 born, is hungry and wants nourishment from the mother. And he is disappointed, this man who

00:04:02.500 identifies as a woman, that he's not lactating, which apparently they believe that if you just

00:04:08.300 will it hard enough, or if you just declare the impossible, possible that it's going to happen,

00:04:14.580 I think, to the detriment of the psychology and probably the physical health of this child.

00:04:21.180 Right. He's like, well, she, I don't know, says, don't worry, because I am supplementing with

00:04:27.720 formula. Supplementing? Right. Entirely relying on formula. And by the way, there's another solution

00:04:34.500 to this problem. Why don't you let the birth mother breastfeed the child? But the birth mother is saying 0.69

00:04:40.500 that she's a man and I don't know the breast situation, but if this is like, this is the

00:04:46.800 trans situation where we pretend there's absolutely no relation to biology taken to the extreme. And I

00:04:53.660 understand like people are people. They're going to do what they're going to do. But when there's a

00:04:56.860 baby involved, that's problematic. And then when you've got Courtney Cox, of all people, who's very

00:05:02.160 well known, highlighting this story as though it's something to be celebrated, it crosses over into

00:05:08.360 dangerous territory. Right. And people say, you know, I get this a lot. Why do you care? Why do

00:05:12.400 you care about the trans issue? Why do you care if men want to say that they're women and vice versa?

00:05:18.120 It doesn't affect you. It doesn't affect you how people live their life. And that's true. Like if an 0.94

00:05:22.640 adult wants to dress a certain way or even get a surgery, while I personally don't agree with,

00:05:27.480 it doesn't align with my values. It doesn't really affect me, but it does affect society as a whole.

00:05:33.800 One, when we're seeing laws that are basically forcing us to not just accept,

00:05:37.480 but celebrate this. And it does affect people who don't have a voice. It affects people who can't

00:05:42.220 defend themselves like children. This child is an unconsenting subject of a social experiment.

00:05:48.780 And for us to say that there's going to be no psychological effect to that, that there's going

00:05:54.320 to be consequently no sociological effect to that, I think is extremely naive. So I care about this in

00:06:02.500 the same way that I care about abortion. There are voiceless people who are being affected by this

00:06:08.800 kind of destructive ideology. They can't consent. They have no say in it. And that matters. Like I

00:06:15.820 care about these children. I care about the formation of the family. I also care about reality.

00:06:22.240 And like I said, when we're seeing these kinds of policies reflect this postmodern idea that we can

00:06:27.680 define our own truth, even when it becomes, when it, when it comes to biological truth. I think that

00:06:33.960 matters and that it is obligatory to care about that kind of thing. I know it's, I, I support trans

00:06:42.620 people living how they want to live, but when it crosses into a child's now been introduced and you're

00:06:48.060 living this confused a situation, I mean, there was a question about mental wellness with these people.

00:06:53.340 I mean, that, that this, that this biological man thinks he's going to extract milk from his chest

00:06:58.560 at some point. Yeah. Because when they use the term chest feeding, what they're really talking

00:07:03.620 about is biological women who are able to breastfeed because they have breasts. They're not, it's not an 1.00

00:07:08.620 implication that a biological man can actually squeeze milk out of his breast because he has not given

00:07:13.240 birth to a baby because he cannot. And I just feel like this whole case, you know, sort of shows how

00:07:20.040 deeply problematic this can be when taken to its nth degree, to the nth degree, you know, you can be

00:07:24.420 supportive and then say, and then stop at something like this and say, well, now you're doing something

00:07:28.780 that is potentially endangering of another living being. And really, what is the mental wellness of

00:07:34.860 these two, two spirit people who don't understand the basic facts about biology? You can live however

00:07:41.560 you want, but if you don't understand the basic facts about biology, how are you going to raise your kid?

00:07:44.920 Yeah. But of course, this is kind of the natural conclusion to accepting this idea that a man can 0.92

00:07:50.740 become a woman or a woman can become a man, or at least the declaration or self-identification can

00:07:55.900 make you something different. Of course, these are still people that are going to want to have

00:08:00.460 children. And if you have people that want to kind of shape society around this idea that gender

00:08:07.380 identity and sex are completely different and that gender identity actually trumps sex, then of course, 0.98

00:08:13.940 children are going to be brought into the mix. I talk about a lot that children are the

00:08:17.840 unconsenting subjects of social experiments a lot when it comes to progressivism, not just when it

00:08:23.320 comes to transgender ideology and the situation that we're looking at right now with a man trying 0.53

00:08:30.800 to breastfeed a child, but also the gender confusion that I think is unfairly put on kids from a young

00:08:36.900 age and the puberty blockers that a lot of times these kids are put on haphazardly and without any

00:08:43.860 kind of hesitation and without any kind of really discernment and guidance from the medical community

00:08:51.480 and their own parents. But also when it comes to things like population control, when it comes to

00:08:57.040 abortion, all of these progressive agenda items seem to put kids on the altar and say, okay, let's take the 1.00

00:09:08.820 most vulnerable population and let's either sacrifice them for the sake of climate change or whatever it

00:09:14.580 is, or let us try to put them in a situation like the one that we're talking about and just hope that

00:09:22.500 everything works out. In this way, I think that progressivism, it just gets human nature wrong.

00:09:29.160 Like when we have this debate about nature versus nurture, it seems like progressives think that

00:09:35.140 people are the product of their environment, the product of nurturing only. That's why they think,

00:09:41.520 for example, that communism could work, that everyone would just adapt, that we'd be okay with

00:09:47.020 giving up our private property and all living happily together with state controlled means of

00:09:53.400 production. And they deny that there is any nature there. They deny that there is a nature to own private

00:10:00.140 property to provide for your family in the same way that they deny the biological nature of male and

00:10:05.520 female. They really do think they can socially engineer society and everyone will eventually adapt. 1.00

00:10:12.300 If people like you and me would just get out of the way and let that happen.

00:10:16.660 Well, and it's not just people like you and me, they would say bigots like you and me,

00:10:19.780 right? Any pushback on this and any saying, look, let's be real. Men can't breastfeed. So just stop it. 1.00

00:10:25.060 Stop it. Yeah, that's your bigotry talking. It's like, you know what? It's my biology. It's my it's my

00:10:30.640 knowledge of science, biology, evolution and history. That's what it is. The fact that you've chosen to

00:10:35.260 abandon that. I support you if you want to delude yourself. I have no problem with it. But now we're

00:10:40.300 talking about our society at large because you're bringing children into it. You're calling your baby a 0.98

00:10:45.020 they that's you heard that in soundbite and and lamenting the fact that you can't get the milk to the

00:10:52.500 child. You're just as if there's no there's no answer to it. Like, why? Why is it? Well, we all

00:10:57.420 know why. And then you get featured and celebrated on a show by somebody who's internationally famous

00:11:03.740 on a platform like Facebook, which won't let you talk about the covid lab theory or at least wouldn't

00:11:08.380 for the whole year. But you can talk about why the man can't breastfeed his baby as if it's a mystery

00:11:13.400 to science. OK, but I want to ask you in a moment that go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. No, you go in a moment

00:11:18.960 that. We're talking so much about misinformation, the importance of censoring, quote, misinformation,

00:11:23.700 not just surrounding the virus or what this administration thinks is misinformation surrounding

00:11:30.960 the virus. But we're seeing a heavy hand, not just by the government, but social media companies to try

00:11:37.180 to hold back what it seems or what it seems is harmful information. But like you said, not this kind

00:11:44.000 of this is fine. So on the subject of kids and how, you know, there's this push to sort of I don't

00:11:50.260 know, is it liberate them? I emancipate them. It's in the news this week that there's a push in a growing

00:11:57.460 number of states. New York is one of them. D.C. is another not a state, but D.C. And I think New Jersey

00:12:03.600 is also one. So all up by me. But California is, of course, coming along to to let them get a vaccine

00:12:10.220 over the objections of their parents. The vast majority of parents said that they were not going

00:12:15.660 to immediately vaccinate kids who are, you know, between the ages of 12 and 17, that they wanted to

00:12:21.520 wait and see more longer term testing before they did that. Totally reasonable. Hello there. I'm right

00:12:28.400 there with them. And so these states in response are saying, you know what? Kids as long as young as 14,

00:12:35.360 maybe even 11 in some of these states should be allowed to get the vaccine over the objections

00:12:40.200 of their parents. So you can walk into the CPS by yourself at age 11 and make medical decisions

00:12:46.120 for yourself. Meanwhile, you know nothing. You know nothing at 11, right? You're sweet.

00:12:50.280 You're you're coming into the world. You're coming into puberty. But the fact that there's a push

00:12:54.680 within the law to treat these kids, they won't even let them buy a pack of cigarettes,

00:12:59.980 but they'll let them decide whether they can inject the covid vaccine in their arm.

00:13:03.820 And this is a pattern that we're seeing in general when it comes to health care or so-called

00:13:08.940 health care, when it comes to things like abortion, when it comes to things like gender therapy,

00:13:13.900 hormone therapy in places like California and Oregon. You know, a teenager is young as 15 can

00:13:19.760 walk into a Planned Parenthood and receive a hormone therapy without parental consent.

00:13:25.020 And in some states, as young as 13, a parent can't actually access their child's health care records.

00:13:30.420 And so we're kind of seeing this, what I think is a purposeful rift between the parents or an obstacle

00:13:38.400 put in the way of parents to know what's going on with their child's health care. And of course,

00:13:42.900 this vaccine is no different than that. And like you said, an 11-year-old, they could be

00:13:50.380 as intelligent and as mature as any 11-year-old is. They just don't have the capacity to yet make

00:13:58.000 decisions that have long-term implications. That's what parents are for. That's why God

00:14:03.260 gave children parents to help guide them and aid in that discernment and to take away that protection,

00:14:09.960 the protection of the one person in the world who cares about that child more than anything and has

00:14:15.820 the best interest of that child at heart. I think it's criminal. Yeah. And maybe the child doesn't know

00:14:20.580 the full extent of his or her medical background or issues that might make the covid vaccine dangerous,

00:14:26.980 like a grownup would. I mean, it's great. It's crazy to think you would let a kid. And that's

00:14:32.160 the bill. So I just pulled it up. Last fall, the District of Columbia Council voted to allow

00:14:36.500 children as young as 11 to get the recommended vaccines without parental consent. It's already

00:14:41.220 happened. New Jersey, New York legislatures have bills pending that would make it so for kids as

00:14:45.480 young as 14. Minnesota has a bill as young as 12 to allow the kids to consent to covid tests. It's

00:14:53.020 insane. And the poll was by the Kaiser Family Foundation. Three in 10 parents of kids between

00:15:00.080 the ages of 12 and 17 intend to allow them to be vaccinated immediately for very good reason.

00:15:06.360 Now, the other thing is so you can you can let the kids get vaccinated without their parental

00:15:12.440 consent. You can call them. They you can allow them to try to sustain life on the on the chest of a

00:15:18.720 biological man who's never going to produce milk. And then, according to I think it's the New York

00:15:23.780 Times, they're telling us that what would be positive and accepting and non bigoted would be

00:15:28.920 to take your kid to the pride parade and allow them not just allow them to understand a gay and

00:15:34.960 lesbian, you know, couples and what's important to them. But kink, kink in particular. And there was 0.62

00:15:42.900 something. OK, it was I think I feel like it was in the Washington Post. Yeah, no, it was the

00:15:48.080 Washington Post. Yes. Well, it was op ed promoting kink for kids. Here it is. And they talk about a

00:15:53.100 mom taking her kids to a pride parade. OK, maybe maybe they want them to be celebratory of or

00:15:58.460 understanding of gay and lesbians. You by the way, you don't have to go to a pride parade to do that.

00:16:02.280 Just let them live life. They'll encounter gay and lesbian people and see that they're just like any

00:16:06.040 other people. And they're not all into kink. I mean, it's like, OK, so anyway, here's here's from the

00:16:11.240 article. When our children grew tired of marching, we plopped onto a nearby curb just as we got

00:16:16.100 settled. Our elementary schooler pointed in the direction of oncoming floats, raising an eyebrow

00:16:21.280 at a bare chested man in dark sunglasses whose whose black suspenders clipped onto a leather

00:16:28.320 thong. The man paused to be spanked playfully by a partner with a flog. What are they doing? My 0.95

00:16:34.940 curious kid asked as our toddler cheered them on. The pair was the first of a few dozen kinksters 1.00

00:16:41.140 who danced down the street laughing together as they twirled their whips and batons, some

00:16:45.740 leading companions by leashes. At the time, my children were too young to understand the

00:16:50.140 nuance of the situation. You think? But I told them the truth, that these folks were members

00:16:55.060 of our community celebrating who they are and what they like to do. If we want our children

00:17:00.360 to learn and grow from their experiences at Pride, we should hope that they'll encounter kink 1.00

00:17:05.220 when they attend. How else can they learn about the scope and vitality of queer life? Help 0.99

00:17:11.760 me. Help me. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of things that adults like to do together that

00:17:18.780 kids who are in elementary school and toddlers don't need to know about and certainly don't

00:17:23.160 need to see. I mean, it is a crime to show a child pornography. And of course, this is not

00:17:29.080 some form of hardcore pornography, but it is at the very least alluding to pornographic

00:17:35.500 behavior, sadistic pornographic behavior. And anyone who thinks that this is something that

00:17:40.360 a child needs to be exposed to, again, I think needs to be evaluated. If we live in any kind

00:17:47.000 of sane society, this would not be on the pages of the Washington Post, one of the most influential

00:17:54.220 mainstream news outlets in the world. And I know they're not necessarily condoning and celebrating

00:18:00.760 everything that's written in their op ed page, op ed pages. But the fact that this is not too

00:18:06.500 scandalous, that someone didn't say, you know what, this is a little predatory. We're talking

00:18:11.300 about children here. This is yet another one of those examples of children being the unconsenting

00:18:18.200 subjects of progressive social experiments. There is nothing good that comes out of this. There is

00:18:24.060 nothing beneficial. There is nothing that is necessary to the healthy psychological formation

00:18:29.620 of a child in showing a child kink. And if you actually look into the author of this, she calls

00:18:36.520 herself a former sex worker. The person that she is married to is a man who identifies as a woman. And so

00:18:43.300 apparently this is just, she's saying this is what it takes to, I don't know, introduce her child

00:18:51.020 to new lifestyles. But like you said, it's not representative of the vast majority of people

00:18:58.240 who identify as gay, lesbian, or even transgender. Nor would they support this. Nor would they support, 1.00

00:19:04.660 I mean, I have plenty of gay and lesbian friends, not one of whom would want to see a toddler 1.00

00:19:08.760 watching kink. Not one of whom would, right? So it's like, this is so typical. It's like some woman, 1.00

00:19:14.160 she's probably from, I don't know, Georgetown, what have you here in New York, it'd be the Upper West 0.98

00:19:17.660 Side or Brooklyn, who thinks this is what support looks like. This is what being an ally looks like.

00:19:22.920 Meanwhile, she's serving her child's mental health up on a silver platter. And yeah, I feel like the

00:19:29.860 problem here is that society used to chastise somebody like this. Society used to sort of send

00:19:34.160 the message that this is not okay. Unfortunately, society also used to send the message that, you

00:19:38.980 know, gay people are bad, lesbians are sinful and need to be rejected and shunned. And that, so like, 1.00

00:19:43.980 we've evolved from those problematic messages to an overcorrection that is genuinely abusive,

00:19:50.820 but just to a different subset. And now it's kids.

00:19:53.440 Yeah. And look, I'm, I'm a social conservative, so I'm conservative theologically when it comes to

00:19:58.600 marriage, when it comes to sexuality, um, and when it comes to gender. And so I'm all the, I'm all the

00:20:04.780 way on the other side of hurt. Now that does not mean that I'm telling my kids to go out there on a

00:20:10.380 street corner and, uh, tell people that live differently, that they're going to burn in hell.

00:20:15.960 Um, but to me, this is the equivalent on the other side of doing that. It is just as psychologically

00:20:23.120 harmful to show your kid something that he or she is not mature enough to see as it is. Um, like you

00:20:29.920 said, to be on the other side of the pendulum. Um, it's just as harmful. It's just as unhealthy.

00:20:36.760 And I'm sure there have been studies produced that show, uh, that demonstrate when you show a child

00:20:43.560 this kind of material before they're ready to actually make a decision to see or interact

00:20:49.520 in that way, um, the harm that it does on them. But again, I don't think that we really care

00:20:56.000 about as a society as a whole, I don't think we really care about the consequences that this

00:21:01.820 progressive, especially sexual and gender revolution is going to have on kids. I just

00:21:06.440 don't think that most people care enough to pause and ask the question, how is this affecting future

00:21:13.980 generations? It's like, well, then why I bet this woman, when she's intimate with her partner at

00:21:20.000 home, I bet she locks the door. You know, it's like, everyone understands there are certain things

00:21:25.080 that are inappropriate for children, right? That would be traumatizing to them, even if, if they don't

00:21:30.840 have a file to put it in, right. Or maybe especially because they don't have a file to put it in.

00:21:34.660 So like the acknowledgement that that is not age appropriate seems to be flying out the window.

00:21:41.320 You know, we saw that at our kids' school when they were getting into the trans issues

00:21:44.260 and showing videos of trans women, um, in tutus spinning around with the makeup, talking about

00:21:51.680 how, you know, purple, if you like purple, you know, perhaps you're actually a girl. It's like,

00:21:56.420 they don't have a file for this. This is inappropriate. And to quote Jenny McCarthy,

00:22:01.000 who I don't agree with on regular vaccines, she's very anti, you know, MMR vaccines and so on, not

00:22:06.160 COVID. But I understood her message because it was nice and clean, which was too, too much too soon.

00:22:12.920 You know, and I do think that's what's happening right now in our schools, in our, on our, in our

00:22:17.440 streets, in our legislatures, when it comes to our kids, they should not be swept along in this crazy

00:22:23.200 experiment to be, you know, woke, anti, anti bigoted, which means very different things to

00:22:28.700 different people, you know, and, and right now, of course, in our schools, it means you have to be

00:22:33.200 shamed for your skin color and so on and all that. You can, I could go on, but the, the cultural strain

00:22:38.000 of it, right. I've been listening to you on that. And I just think you're raising some very good points.

00:22:43.400 And a lot of people want to know, okay, where is, where is this coming from? How did we get here?

00:22:47.400 It seems like in the past five to 10 years, things have accelerated so much, not just when it comes

00:22:52.660 to so-called sexual education of our kids, but just society kind of shifting to the last in every

00:22:59.080 area and they're right. And that things really have accelerated, but a lot of people are also

00:23:04.120 hearing conversations about critical theory. And I think a lot of us in the conservative space are

00:23:08.260 even tired of talking about critical theory and critical race theory because it's everywhere,

00:23:12.440 but you do have to understand that this, um, is sexualization of kids, whether it's through

00:23:19.520 some parts of the comprehensive sex education or op-eds in the Washington post conversations about kids

00:23:26.540 choosing their gender at three years old, all of this is coming from somewhere and it's coming from 0.99

00:23:31.900 essentially the same place as critical race theory is. This is from a postmodern critical theory called

00:23:39.060 queer theory. This idea that, um, they would say that, um, they would say that kids are already being 0.99

00:23:45.120 so-called sexualized by a cisgender heteronormative patriarchy and the counter narrative to that, the

00:23:53.920 counter narrative to that has to be some kind of queer theory or queer narrative. So that is exactly why at

00:24:00.900 an early age, they actually believe that it is right and moral and good to expose kids to this kind of what I

00:24:07.600 would call degeneracy in order to create a counter narrative to the presiding hegemony of the

00:24:13.080 patriarchy. So this is, it's never just coming from nowhere. These, uh, what seem like sudden changes

00:24:20.540 in our culture, especially when it comes to sex and gender, why we're talking about race and racism

00:24:25.440 in such different ways than we were just 10 years ago. This stuff has been building, um, really since I

00:24:33.100 would say mid 20th century, but definitely, um, you know, 1960s and it's just accelerated over

00:24:39.620 the past five to 10 years. Um, but it has philosophical and academic roots and now it's

00:24:45.880 just becoming mainstream. Cisgender heteronormative patriarchy. It's so good. I'm impressed. 0.96

00:24:51.540 It's a lot of ability to put all that up next, you know, you get called names, you get called a lot of

00:24:58.320 names and you push back against the woke crowd. And you certainly do as an evangelical Christian,

00:25:02.160 even before we had a thing called woke. So how does Allie Beth deal with that? That's next. 0.98

00:25:10.180 If people don't know this black lives matter on its website used to have this on right on there 0.99

00:25:16.320 saying that that's, that's what they want to stop. You know, they wanted to, to dismantle the nuclear

00:25:21.320 family. And this is what they're talking about. They want people like the ones featured on the Courtney

00:25:25.840 Cox show to be mainstream. And they want straight couples who are raising their kids with a man and 1.00

00:25:33.520 a woman at the helm of the family to be less prevalent and less dominant in sort of the 1.00

00:25:39.500 narrative. And it's like, you can be accepting of alternative lifestyles without being diminishing

00:25:44.980 of the vast majority of people and the way they live their lives. You know, men and women have been

00:25:50.400 really attracted to each other for the entirety of human history. And there's no reason to make that

00:25:55.340 weird or try to pretend it's the minority in even people like me who, you know, I'm Catholic,

00:26:02.020 but I'm, I'm definitely to the left of you when it comes to some of these issues. But I don't like

00:26:07.320 this stuff either. You know, I don't, I don't like this stuff. And I feel like I get confused because

00:26:11.960 it's like, look, I want to be supportive of you, but now you're crossing over into dangerous lanes

00:26:14.980 where I cannot be. And I, you know, eventually all roads lead to the same place, Allie Beth, which is

00:26:19.440 we all get called bigots. Any pushback is, yeah. And so how do you deal with that? Cause I'm sure you've

00:26:23.600 heard that. Yes, of course. And I get that question a lot. I get that question in particular,

00:26:29.640 when it comes to parents who are uncomfortable with what their kids are learning in regards to

00:26:34.980 race, but also sexuality at their schools, um, or they see their friends reposting something by

00:26:41.480 black lives matter or some other left-wing organization. Um, and they say, okay, I really 0.97

00:26:48.320 want to say something, you know, your podcast has helped me kind of equipped me know what to say in

00:26:53.040 these conversations, but they're going to call me a racist. They're going to call me a bigot.

00:26:56.920 They're going to call me a transphobe, whatever it is. How do I deal with that? And I just say,

00:27:02.480 you have to accept that's coming for you. You have to accept that they are going to call you that

00:27:07.760 you have to know who you are, uh, what you believe in and why, and then you just have to double down.

00:27:14.240 You have to realize that the cancel mob, the rage mob is absolutely going to come for you. Unless you

00:27:22.240 are willing and ready to capitulate everything that you believe in. Unless you are ready to become a

00:27:29.600 full-blown progressive, they're coming for you. They're going to call you names. They're going to

00:27:34.160 try to cancel you. Um, and so just accept that. Don't say if I get canceled or if I get called a

00:27:40.000 racist or if I get called a bigot, you're going to. So just accept that, realize that it's going to

00:27:45.040 happen and then double down because just like bullies, bullies are intimidated by people who

00:27:51.200 don't back down in the face of bullying. Um, and as I've heard other people say, I think you've had

00:27:57.240 him as a guest on your podcast, Christopher Rufo courage, but gets courage. Um, and so when you see

00:28:02.880 someone standing up in the face of the cancel mob and say, you know what? I don't care what you call me.

00:28:07.540 I don't care what you call me. Biology isn't bigotry. This is what I believe. I don't believe

00:28:13.140 in, um, you know, characterizing people by oppressed versus oppressor based on their skin color. That's

00:28:19.180 not right. And I'm not going to stand for it. When you see one parent doing that, that courage then

00:28:24.460 inspires other courage, like a contagion. Um, and so either get someone else's courage, borrow it for a

00:28:31.180 second for that split second of bravery to stand up and speak up about the things that,

00:28:35.040 that you believe in, or be that person that is going to start the contagion of courage for people

00:28:41.680 around you, because I promise it will. And Douglas Murray too talks about how sure you could, you

00:28:47.300 could sort of navigate all the minefields just exactly right. So no one ever calls you the mean

00:28:53.180 names. You could do that. And how's that going to feel dying in your bed, right? All these years

00:28:57.720 later, how's that going to feel? I lived the perfect life. I never offended anyone. Oh, by the way,

00:29:02.380 I never stood up for what I knew in my heart was right either. Yeah. Um, okay. Let me ask you,

00:29:07.300 because the other piece of this is take a look at the people who are pushing these messages on you

00:29:11.740 who are using terms like that. Um, it just emerged that Nicole Hannah Jones, with whom I had a fun

00:29:17.200 little Twitter fight over the weekend. I saw that. I saw that. She said, what a moron she is. She's 1.00

00:29:21.360 like, I tweeted out something, by the way, here's a good update in the culture war fights. Um, we talked

00:29:26.100 about on the show last week, how the Biden administration was trying to reward high

00:29:29.580 schools, um, and beyond for history programs that taught Kendi and the 1619 project. I mean,

00:29:36.920 it's insane of all academic places to go. You're going to go with those two. I mean,

00:29:42.580 Nicole Hannah Jones, who's been, who's been erasing her false and felonious and libelous claims about the

00:29:48.200 United States and her 1619 project quietly as she gets condemned by scholars on both sides of the aisle

00:29:53.660 without owning her corrections or, or deletions, right? That, so they want to teach that to our

00:29:58.360 kids in school. Well, no. Um, and so they were going to give grants to high schools that did it

00:30:02.480 and they had to offer that up for public comment because it was being done by an administrative

00:30:06.720 agency. Long story short, the people spoke up and they backed off. They reversed themselves.

00:30:12.020 The Biden administration did. So yay, that's a victory. And I tweeted out something good about it.

00:30:16.200 She tweeted out back to me something like, Oh, I guess it's good. You're no longer pretending to be a

00:30:19.820 journalist. This woman who just did all this stuff. Okay. So, so she's not, I mean, obviously it's not

00:30:26.000 an honest broker, but it just came out subsequent to that little dust up we had that she was on a

00:30:32.440 podcast a couple of years ago in 2019, praising Cuba as one of the only countries that has very

00:30:39.480 little inequality between blacks and whites. And that is because it is a communist country and there

00:30:46.540 is no inequality. Everyone is equally poorly off, right? Everybody's in an equally shitty

00:30:52.320 position in Cuba. Thanks to the communist government there. That is the person we're 0.94

00:30:57.500 listening to. That's the person they want in the heads of your kids and mine. And so it's just a

00:31:03.580 reminder fight fight. Yeah. Yeah. If people like Nicole, Hannah Jones and black lives matter and that 0.99

00:31:10.700 kind of whole activist class, they're okay with equality. Even if equality means equally miserable 0.69

00:31:17.940 there, they would actually rather people be equally mediocre, equally poor, equally destitute. Um,

00:31:25.740 then there'd be, uh, some people who are well off. They would rather have that, um, the former than the

00:31:33.360 ladder, which goes to show that their definition of justice and fairness and so-called equity actually

00:31:38.940 leads to injustice the way that we're seeing in Cuba and black lives matter for a very long time

00:31:45.260 has been very open in their support of communist regimes. For example, like in Venezuela, the few

00:31:51.840 years ago, they actually called out both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, um, for going against

00:31:57.380 Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela and calling him a dictator, whatever. They've been very open about their

00:32:03.220 acceptance of communism. And the fact that there are people who I would say even center right and

00:32:08.380 especially Christians, it just grieves me to try to embrace the organization of black lives matter

00:32:14.280 and the 1619 project in some phony pursuit of nuance and acceptance. Like, do you know what you're

00:32:21.000 doing? And the answer is in most cases, no, they don't. That's right. No BLM very openly of the regime

00:32:27.260 openly supportive of the regime in Cuba. So people don't know. I I'd like to give them the benefit of the

00:32:32.100 doubt and say, they don't know what they're supporting when they say, okay, I'm pro BLM and I'm going to

00:32:35.660 fly the BLM flag. They're talking about let's end racism. Well, do your homework because that

00:32:41.120 organization stands for much more than that. And yes, they're anti inequality, I guess, when it comes

00:32:46.220 to skin color, but you know, this is the same Patrice colors. She's not going to give back her 0.96

00:32:50.920 $4 million properties, um, in the name of equality. No. Oh no, that's not okay. And Colin Kaepernick and

00:32:58.860 his multimillion dollar deal with Nike. He's not giving back the money in the name of equality.

00:33:04.320 These same people are not going to say the United States, uh, Americans shouldn't take the COVID

00:33:09.120 vaccine until all of Africa has been vaccinated. They quality is a, is a natural inequality is a 1.00

00:33:16.460 natural part of life. It's not to say it's awesome, but it's a natural product of different

00:33:21.260 choices, you know, and, and in some cases where you're born. Um, so it's sort of, you know,

00:33:26.080 they draw the line when it comes to their own wellbeing. Yeah. It's like Thomas soul says,

00:33:30.060 if two people from the same family, if siblings can end up in different places in life because

00:33:35.200 of variety of choices that they make, but you know, they came from the same environment,

00:33:38.880 the same upbringing, then how can you expect two people from different parts in the country,

00:33:43.940 from different families, different backgrounds, different sets of talent, uh, different, you know,

00:33:48.360 uh, intellectual capacity. How can you expect those two people to end up in the same place and say

00:33:53.360 that it's injustice if they don't, it just doesn't make any sense. Their idea of fairness is being

00:34:00.380 equal outcomes. As Kamala Harris said a couple of days before the election in that little cartoon

00:34:05.780 video that she put out on Twitter, it's so superficial. And I like to remind people, I think

00:34:11.740 my audience is primarily evangelical Christian. Um, and while it's important, obviously we believe

00:34:18.040 in seeking justice and true justice for people and anywhere that there is injustice and oppression,

00:34:23.720 pushing one group down explicitly, not just impact, but also in intent and is purposely creating that

00:34:30.460 inequality. Of course we believe in going in there and speaking up and saying something and doing

00:34:34.240 something about that, but trying to manufacture society so that everyone ends up in the same place.

00:34:40.060 That's not justice. We don't see that precedent in the Bible. Not only that, but heaven is not going to

00:34:45.740 have equality. The first will be last and the last will be first in heaven. And so if that's the case

00:34:50.700 in heaven, in paradise, if there's not equality of outcome, then why are we expecting to be able to

00:34:56.980 engineer that here on earth? Yes. Fight for true oppression, not today's social justice version of

00:35:03.140 oppression, but trying to manufacture equal outcomes and pointing to all inequality is evidence of

00:35:09.300 discrimination. It's a fallacy. It's not going to work. Wait, this is news to me about heaven. What?

00:35:14.040 Well, I mean, the first will be last and the last will be first says there are different. I mean,

00:35:21.980 there are different, um, there are different, uh, there's different judgments and there's

00:35:28.740 difference. No, it's not necessarily tears. And I don't really want to get into all of the theological

00:35:34.100 weeds there, but there are, um, you know, you've probably heard of jewels in the crown or different

00:35:40.860 rewards that we get that we end up laying at the feet of Christ, um, in heaven. Um, but yeah,

00:35:46.740 there's not going to be necessarily, we're not guaranteed equality of outcome, even in heaven.

00:35:52.880 That doesn't mean necessarily that there are different spheres, the way that Dante's Inferno

00:35:56.740 talks about hell. Um, but, uh, the point is that it's not a theologically grounded concept

00:36:04.040 to talk about equality of outcome as being, um, the utopian model that we should follow.

00:36:11.080 We don't see that precedent in the Bible. We don't see that promise, um, in the future. Yes,

00:36:16.800 all Christians will be living in perfect peace and joy with our savior. That's what we believe when

00:36:21.840 Jesus comes back and defeats evil and sin once and for all. Absolutely. But this idea of equality of

00:36:27.240 outcome, we just, we don't see that as the basis for justice and even future justice, um, in the

00:36:34.380 Bible. See, I picture it. I'm, I'm not theological at all, but I do picture it like the movie defending

00:36:39.800 your life with Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep. We're like, you have the opportunity to argue

00:36:44.400 yourself into a better position, you know, like it's just as soon as you're looking at all my sins

00:36:48.380 and saying, you know, you get, you get a divorce, you never got an annulment. I'm working on it by the

00:36:52.940 way. Um, I can say, I understand all that, but I am also the, the granddaughter of Francis de Mayo

00:36:59.540 and she was like a saint. So that's got to move me up at like a tier or two. Let me tell you,

00:37:03.940 who can I talk to? Yes. Well, actually, you know, you are kind of talking about this from, uh, in a

00:37:10.320 lawyerly way. Yes. Okay. But that's, that's good that you see it that way, because that is in a way

00:37:17.980 an accurate picture, except that we are not our own advocates, according to the Bible, that Jesus Christ

00:37:22.840 is actually our advocate that he is the one interceding for us. And because of his sacrifice,

00:37:28.440 he has made us clean. So it's not anything that you or I do, but by grace through faith in Christ,

00:37:34.320 he is the one that stands in our stead and said, you know what? I know that she's done X, Y, Z.

00:37:39.000 I know that she is guilty of this, but I paid for her sin in full on the cross. She believes in me.

00:37:45.140 And therefore she has my righteousness. She has my clean slate. So that picture that you have

00:37:50.200 of advocating for yourself, of arguing for yourself, that's partly right, except that Jesus

00:37:55.140 Christ is our advocate. And that's the freedom. Like the freedom is, is that I get to trust that

00:38:00.840 the perfect one, uh, the son of God is the one that's standing in my stead that I can't give good

00:38:06.240 enough arguments for myself because I'm guiltier than I can even imagine. We all are, but Jesus being

00:38:11.340 perfect. He is the one who stands in my stead and says, Nope, it's not that she deserves it,

00:38:17.700 but that she has taken on my righteousness and my holiness imputed it, um, by grace through faith

00:38:24.920 in my sacrifice for her. So it is fun to think about it. If you think about like an opposing

00:38:29.480 lawyer in there, you're like move to strike objection, Jesus. Well, that's right. That's

00:38:34.720 right. You say you're not theological, but you do. I mean, that is what it is because the Bible calls

00:38:40.760 Satan, the accuser that he is the one standing there and say, yeah, but she did this. She's guilty of

00:38:46.220 this. She's wrong in this way. And Jesus Christ, he has never lost a case in his whole life.

00:38:51.440 He's the one, um, or in all of eternity, I should say, he's the one who says, you know,

00:38:56.100 he silences the accuser and he's got the best evidence, which is his perfection, which he gives

00:39:00.360 to us through faith. Hmm. Maybe all those, those Sundays in church when I was younger, I'm not so good

00:39:06.120 now have sunk in on some, it's still in there. That's what I can hope up next. Why did Megan and Harry

00:39:13.380 get an award for publicly declaring that they're only going to have two children? We'll explain.

00:39:18.920 And Allie Beth Stuckey calls out their hypocrisy next. 1.00

00:39:28.280 Did you hear about this ridiculous Megan and Harry got an award for saying they're only going to have 0.99

00:39:34.560 two children? I mean, they'll award, you know, they pick up a fork and use it properly. They get 0.97

00:39:38.620 an award for it. Now they, they, the Oprah interview has been nominated for an Emmy for like

00:39:43.080 fine, you know, fine achievement in nonfiction interviews. Really? I mean, I could go down the

00:39:47.820 list of non-truths that Megan Markle told in that interview. It just off the top of my head,

00:39:51.800 but anyway, so they, she gets, Oprah gets a nomination for that. They get an award from an

00:39:56.080 environmental group called population matters for publicly declaring they're only going to have

00:40:00.260 two children. And I wonder what you think about that because I, I like it when I see families

00:40:06.180 with lots of children, assuming they can provide for the children, right? Like I don't like to see

00:40:11.240 a family that's not already taking care of its kids, have eight kids, but you see a couple that's

00:40:15.220 in love that, you know, can adequately school and clothe and feed the kids. I'm like, you go for it.

00:40:21.360 You know, we're, we're Americans. We, we should increase our birth rate. It's a, it's a privilege to

00:40:26.120 be born in this country, but there seems to be a growing tide against it. Yeah. And what I've said

00:40:31.380 is that there's nothing wrong with limiting your kids to two, but to do it because you believe that

00:40:38.040 children are a debit to the future rather than a credit, that they're actually taking something

00:40:42.840 away, uh, from not just our environment, but society in general, rather than adding something

00:40:49.520 to it. I think that that's a wrong mentality. Again, it's the wrong view that progressivism has of

00:40:54.980 human beings of just, um, basically people who are occupying space and taking up resources rather

00:41:01.500 than what most people are, which is adding to society, a benefit to society, um, in some way.

00:41:08.060 And I also want to point out the hypocrisy here is that Megan and Harry live in an 18,000 square foot

00:41:15.640 home. And I guarantee you, they are not taking the dart bus when they're traveling. Um, and so the

00:41:21.220 family in the Midwest has seven kids who lives within their means, who it's not living in a

00:41:28.080 mansion. They're not taking a private jet. Every time they have to go somewhere, they are doing more

00:41:32.840 to help the environment, whether they know it or not than Harry and Megan are with their carbon

00:41:37.780 footprint, only having two kids. So who really deserves the award here? I don't think it's them.

00:41:43.060 You know what? I live in, in a high rise on the Upper West side of Manhattan. I have a much

00:41:47.840 smaller carbon footprint, even though I have three kids. I want the award population matters.

00:41:52.540 Yes. Yes. And you should probably get it. Actually. No, no, I don't. In fact, it was funny

00:41:57.000 because you look at the bios of all these journalists and it's always like Emmy award

00:42:00.760 winning, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, let me tell you, nobody who grew up at Fox news has a

00:42:04.320 single award and it's not because the mainstream media hates Fox, which it does. It's because Roger Ailes

00:42:10.300 strongly believe we should never, ever be submitting any of our work product for awards because that was not

00:42:15.860 the group of people we wanted to please. He always used to say, when the left wing blogs start praising

00:42:20.640 you, you need to watch out because what happens is the same way Georgetown lures a justice like

00:42:27.080 Chief Justice Roberts into sort of coming to their parties and wanting to be loved. That's what the

00:42:32.840 mainstream tries to do with conservatives who are trying to do, you know, more fair and balanced

00:42:37.200 reporting, right? Trying to be an antidote to this far left bias that we see in the mainstream.

00:42:41.760 And that's why you will never see a Fox news reporter with a bunch of awards behind his or

00:42:45.760 her name, because it's just not the company's philosophy to seek the approval of the people

00:42:50.020 who do that. Yeah, that's interesting. I do think that that's probably a lesson for a lot of people

00:42:55.320 whose whose approval are you trying to obtain? I think what we were saying earlier about people

00:43:00.680 trying to stave off the cancel mob as long as possible, they start to kind of self censor and they

00:43:05.620 start to add so many caveats to what they believe in so much so-called nuance. That's one of my

00:43:11.340 least favorite words nowadays to what they believe. So as trying to navigate that minefield of what you

00:43:17.560 were talking about, not realizing that, like you were saying, um, that one, it's going to be

00:43:24.240 unfulfilling. And then two, it's never going to work. Eventually you're going to step on a mine and

00:43:29.820 all that work and all that effort and all that hand wringing that you did, um, trying to avoid it.

00:43:36.880 It's just going to, it's not going to matter. It's going to be irrelevant. So you might as well

00:43:41.960 go ahead and step on the mines. Right. We talked about this a couple of months ago,

00:43:45.660 but that the actress, Sarah Paulson, um, she got reamed for, she's from American horror story,

00:43:51.300 among other things. Uh, she got reamed because now this is a, an openly lesbian woman in a, 0.99

00:43:56.100 in a lesbian relationship with a woman who's I think 20 or 30 years older than she is. Who's also

00:44:00.460 an actress and awesome. Yes. Um, I remember her name right now, but she's great. She was on the 0.93

00:44:05.340 practice as judge Kittleson, uh, a show, which by the way, you must watch if you're looking for

00:44:09.960 something to watch that's older and you haven't seen it. Just watch, start at the beginning of

00:44:12.780 the practice and watch every single episode and you're welcome. Um, same thing by the way,

00:44:16.360 for Friday night lights. So she's in an openly lesbian relationship with her, but she made the mistake 1.00

00:44:21.040 of not being willing to post her pronouns. Somebody just started to tweak her saying, why don't you

00:44:25.100 post your pronouns in your Twitter bio? And she's like, you know what? Lay off. Nope. The white, 1.00

00:44:29.200 the woke mob turned on her. She lost her woke card because as to your point, they will always,

00:44:34.660 always find a way to get you. And she's been very outspoken about, you know, supporting that

00:44:39.960 community. And yet it wasn't enough. It's never enough. So one of the things I was dying to talk

00:44:44.700 to you about, because I listened to your podcast on this before you went on maternity leave and the

00:44:49.000 bill is stalled right now in the Senate, but it passed in the house, the equality act. You've been

00:44:53.160 jumping up and down about this cause it's, it's coming back. It's, this is a Democrat favorite and

00:44:58.680 it's been brewing for a long time. Now they have a, you know, democratic president. The Democrats

00:45:04.260 actually believe they might increase their numbers in the Senate and the house in the midterm elections,

00:45:08.300 though. I'm not sure the generic ballot supports that. We'll see as we get closer, but this is

00:45:13.340 something people need to keep an eye on. Uh, and you did a great job. I thought outlining

00:45:17.580 it's, it's problems. The equality, I guess it's such a nice name, Ali Beth, the equality. Yeah.

00:45:23.220 Okay. And of course, right. And anti-discrimination. And that's of course what it says that it seeks

00:45:30.180 to do is add gender identity and sexual orientation to the categories in the 1964 civil rights act

00:45:36.420 that are, um, that people are prohibited from discriminating against. But the problem is it

00:45:42.460 also expands the entities that are, um, that are prohibited from doing so under this law, which

00:45:49.740 is what people are kind of sounding the alarms about that. How is this going to affect churches?

00:45:55.360 How is this going to affect private schools? How is this going to affect doctors, doctors, hospitals,

00:46:01.560 um, uh, Christian or religious charities, even parents, because what this does is basically

00:46:07.200 it puts discriminating. And I say that in scare quotes, discriminating against people who say,

00:46:14.940 uh, a man who identifies as a woman is the same thing as discriminating against someone because

00:46:20.500 they are black or because they're a color that some racist doesn't like. Um, and so, uh, a Christian

00:46:28.280 organization or say a private school who believes in the biblical natural definition of what a male and

00:46:35.360 a female is could be, um, in prohibition or in, uh, in direct contradiction of this law. If they say, 1.00

00:46:43.880 you know what, I'm not going to hire this person that's otherwise qualified because that's all we

00:46:48.440 believe in. That's, that's against our creed. That's against our belief system. Or say that you

00:46:53.660 have a doctor who, um, is in the same general industry or say it's a, you know, OBGYN. Let's use that

00:47:01.960 example. Um, this law also says that they will not be able to deny a patient who wants to get an

00:47:09.360 abortion, um, that procedure that they will actually be forced as a doctor in that realm of medical

00:47:17.220 care to provide an abortion to someone who asks for it because this particular bill seeks to ban

00:47:24.020 discrimination on the basis of quote pregnancy or pregnancy related medical, uh, medical diagnoses.

00:47:31.280 And that actually includes pregnancy and that would include abortion procedures. And so

00:47:35.600 wait, are you saying that any, any OBGYN would be forced to perform abortions even if they don't,

00:47:41.040 if someone, if someone asks for it, it would be considered discrimination. If someone, they would

00:47:46.220 say a pregnant person, but if a pregnant woman, um, comes in and says that she wants an abortion,

00:47:52.040 this bill, um, seeks to coerce that doctor into providing that. And if he or she does not want to

00:47:59.680 provide that based on whatever reason, then it would be in violation of anti-discrimination laws.

00:48:06.080 Um, and so there are all kinds of, um, hidden and insidious points in this bill that really seek to

00:48:14.960 crush any kind of conscience rights, any religious rights for sure. Even parental rights seem to be on

00:48:21.960 the line in this, in the name of, you know, sexual and gender progressivism. And of course, people who

00:48:27.780 don't look into that or think about it because it takes too long to research or to critically

00:48:32.420 ask these questions, um, they hop on board because who doesn't want equality, who, who is going to be

00:48:38.700 for discrimination. Um, but you know, people just to point out that the hiring, the hiring issue has

00:48:45.320 already been settled by the Supreme court in a case not long ago saying you cannot, they they're

00:48:50.000 treating gender identity, the same as race, you know, gender and so on that, you know, you can't not

00:48:56.120 hire somebody because of their gender identity, but what's happening in college campuses and so on. 0.99

00:49:00.780 Biden's tried to fix that with an executive order fix in his words, you know, fix, uh, to, to provide

00:49:06.280 for, you know, equal rights, he would say between trans athletes and biological girls and so on.

00:49:11.800 But it's not yet, it's not yet written into the law and an executive order is very different from

00:49:16.300 the law. You just ask Barack Obama and Donald Trump who get all their executive orders reversed when

00:49:20.880 the next guy comes in or gal someday. Um, so the equality act is also taking aim at what's

00:49:27.120 happening on college campuses, very much so with the trans community. And one of the things I was

00:49:32.060 thinking about it, you know, recently was there was this dust up Debbie Murphy can tell me where

00:49:38.480 this was. Was it LA? Where did it happen? Where they went into the salon? They went into a spa,

00:49:42.820 the wee spa. Yes. Where is that?

00:49:45.160 So it's in LA. Yep. And there was a woman who, um, she was, she claims that she was in there with,

00:49:54.520 um, I guess two of her daughters or two female children who, um, and then she saw a man who I

00:50:01.080 guess identified as a woman walk by and expose himself. I guess he was naked and she complained

00:50:06.720 to the front desk and the women's locker room, right? And the women's, yes. And then she sees a

00:50:12.660 person walk by with a penis exposed. Yeah. And actually we have the soundbite of this woman who 1.00

00:50:17.920 was none too happy, uh, complaining to the spa manager, which by the way, just before you listen

00:50:23.260 to this, the spa is a hundred percent standing by its policy of allowing trans women to use the, 0.69

00:50:27.220 the women's locker room. And, uh, there's been protests just this past weekend. We saw violent

00:50:31.560 protests on both sides with, you know, battering rams and so on. But here's the woman complaining. 1.00

00:50:36.580 Listen, it's okay. It's okay for a man to go into the women's section, show his penis around 1.00

00:50:48.580 the other women, young little girls under age, your spa, we spa condone that. Is that what 1.00

00:50:54.980 you're saying? Like I asked. It's so he can stay there. He can stay there. What sexual orientation?

00:51:04.740 I see a dick. Girls down there, other women who are highly offended for what they just saw. 1.00

00:51:11.300 And you did nothing, absolutely nothing. In fact, you sided with him. So we spa is an agreement with

00:51:18.980 men that just say they are a woman and they can go down there with their penis and getting to the 1.00

00:51:24.580 women's section. Is that what you're saying? I'm a woman who knows how to stand up and speak up for 1.00

00:51:29.940 my right. As a woman, I have a right to feel comfortable without a man exposing himself. Okay.

00:51:39.140 I mean that, that brings it home, right? Cause it's like, if you think about it in the abstract,

00:51:44.820 like, okay, I support trans people and their right to use the bathroom of their choice, right?

00:51:50.580 That's a private act. You go into a single stall bathroom. You do you, you know, I don't care 0.56

00:51:55.940 what's going to happen between you and the toilet. You know, I don't want to get involved in that,

00:51:59.460 but, but you can see once again, you know, this is a different and trickier issue. This is a private

00:52:07.540 stall. This is a locker room with a young, with young girls who I'm sure were confused. And we have

00:52:15.460 seen though they're isolated. We have seen cases of biological men who identify as trans women,

00:52:21.380 actually trying to molest or hurt, uh, women or girls in these settings. Again, it's not the norm.

00:52:27.860 It's not what usually happens, but there are enough of them that make the news that I can see how it

00:52:32.100 would be frightening for a child. Right. And, and people who are gender dysphoric would tell you that 0.59

00:52:38.740 this is not normal behavior for someone who has gender dysphoria, because there's a serious 1.00

00:52:44.660 discomfort, um, in their body. If they feel like they are a different gender than the ones that they 0.98

00:52:51.380 were, they were born with. And I've actually, I've seen people that I probably don't agree with on any

00:52:56.020 other subject, but provide a lot of interesting insight into this, that people with dysphoria are

00:53:01.460 very often trying to cover up their bodies. And so the men that you see going in there and exposing

00:53:07.540 themselves to women and girls are probably not transgender, but they're exploiting transgenderism 1.00

00:53:13.620 to give themselves an excuse to give into their perversions and to indulge themselves. But you're

00:53:20.020 not allowed to have that conversation in the world of transgender activism, um, because they see that as

00:53:25.940 delegitimizing transgenderism or, you know, um, people's said identity, but it has to be like,

00:53:34.580 we have to have some adherence, like you've said to reality. And we can't say that someone's

00:53:41.460 self declaration and self identity has more of a right to impose itself than a child safety or a

00:53:48.340 woman's safety. And that's actually part of the danger of the equality act is that under the equality 0.98

00:53:54.100 act, it's going to be very difficult if possible for women's shelters, for women's prisons, like we've

00:54:00.100 said locker rooms and bathrooms to say that, you know, no, this is a, this is a female exclusive 1.00

00:54:07.380 space. And by female, we mean, uh, a biological female. And so it's just, right. We're already

00:54:17.060 seeing prisons where they've had huge numbers out in California of, of biological men, trans women

00:54:22.580 say they want to be in the women's prisons. And honestly, like the, the people who are supposed to 1.00

00:54:27.540 care about women couldn't give to figs about what is happening to the biological women who are 1.00

00:54:32.660 literally in cages now in prisons who are being forced to now room with these biological men, trans 1.00

00:54:42.180 women who just declare. And by the way, in California, you don't have to have any history of being trans,

00:54:48.660 right? You don't, you don't really have to prove it. You just self declare. And the women's prisons tend 1.00

00:54:52.740 to be more forgiving, tend to be nicer places, but from what I hear. And so a lot of biological men are

00:54:58.180 suddenly saying, Oh, I'm trans. And the state is allowing it. They don't care at all about the women 0.99

00:55:03.780 who are on the receiving end of this. Just like that spa didn't care at all about those two young 0.93

00:55:08.500 girls. Yeah. And there are feminists talking about this. I don't consider myself a feminist, but I have 1.00

00:55:15.140 found myself in conversations with a lot of people who consider themselves radical feminists because they 0.88

00:55:20.660 truly do care about the sex-based rights of women and understand if rights are not sex-based for women,

00:55:25.940 then they really aren't rights at all. And I think the prison system is, is one example of that. And

00:55:31.580 there's also a reason that you're not seeing it the other way around. Like you're not seeing women who 0.99

00:55:35.660 identify as men saying, please sign me up for the, for, for men's prison. It's, it's absurd. And you would

00:55:42.640 think also that transgender activists or people who are advocated on behalf of transgender people,

00:55:48.500 that they would have a problem with this because what's going to happen is that this is going to swing

00:55:53.020 too far in the other direction. When you start coming after people's kids, when you start preying

00:55:57.160 upon women in the name of transgenderism, whether they're transgender or not, then you're going to get 0.94

00:56:03.160 everyone all of a sudden freaking out and saying, hang on a second, this is too far because this is affecting

00:56:09.600 other people in a negative way. Um, and you would think if you really just wanted progress and equality for

00:56:16.120 transgender people, for them to be able to live the lives they want to live, you would be doing 0.99

00:56:20.280 everything you can to say, no, no, no, no, that's not us. Like, that's not what we stand for. That's

00:56:25.660 not what we represent. All we want is to be basically left alone and to live the lives that we want to

00:56:30.880 live. Um, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the stand that a lot of, um, activists, at least

00:56:37.160 in the transgender world are, um, that's not the stand that they're making.

00:56:41.640 That's true. And that's not even touching on how, you know, we're not allowed to call it

00:56:44.520 breastfeeding more and now it's chest feeding. We're not allowed to refer to ourselves as mothers.

00:56:48.140 We have to say birthing people. It's like, and unless people like you and me and everybody else 0.97

00:56:52.360 just says, no, I refuse. No mother is the thing. Sorry. If you don't like it too bad. It's they're 1.00

00:56:58.660 going to, they're going to win because already that's being written into law by the Biden administration.

00:57:01.980 Their policies are referring to birthing people. They're getting rid of the term mother. We've seen

00:57:07.240 lawmakers have fights over this and the Democrats who are pushing this language are winning. Um,

00:57:13.580 can I ask you, I loved your book and it's called, she came out in 2020. It's called,

00:57:18.500 this is so provocative and it's interesting, right? Cause it's kind of, anyway, I'll, I'll read it.

00:57:23.560 It's you're not enough. You're not enough. And that's okay. Escaping the toxic culture of self

00:57:30.880 love. This is so, so you're only 29 years old. You're very wise for a young, young woman. Um,

00:57:37.840 so can you sum it up for me? Like explain what that means.

00:57:41.340 So we are constantly bombarded, especially as women, as young women on social media with these

00:57:47.380 messages that you're enough as you are, that you're perfect as you are, that it's a privilege

00:57:51.720 for anyone to be in your life. Anyone who contradicts you or steals your joy or steals,

00:57:56.760 your shine is just toxic. It needs to be cut out of your life. And all of the problems that you are

00:58:02.320 facing, all the insecurities that you have, all this feeling of anxiety or depression is actually

00:58:07.600 not because of you or anything that's wrong with you. It's actually because of all of these systems

00:58:12.560 outside of you. So it's because of the patriarchy. It's because of capitalism. It's because of society,

00:58:19.080 whatever that means. It's because of marketing and advertising and unfair expectations for women. 1.00

00:58:23.740 It's because of your kids that are just draining you and have turned you into something that you're not.

00:58:29.380 And so in order to finally, you know, be fulfilled and be happy and be free, you have to release

00:58:36.940 yourself of all of these societal expectations and standards and realize that you are enough.

00:58:41.700 You're sufficient as you are. And, um, and everyone else just has to recognize that. And once you

00:58:47.940 love yourself as much as possible, once you are confident in every single, you know, flaw and quirk that

00:58:54.740 you have, then finally you will be free to, you know, pursue your dreams, to start a business,

00:59:01.600 to be successful, to have healthy relationships. And I just don't think that's true. First, I think

00:59:08.400 it starts with a false premise that there is this big deficit of self-love in our country. I don't think

00:59:14.260 there is any indication that we are struggling to love ourselves. I think that we are way too obsessed

00:59:20.760 with ourselves. Now that can also, that self-obsession can absolutely produce self-loathing

00:59:26.960 and self-resentment and insecurity. I think that's true, but this idea that we need to focus on

00:59:32.540 ourselves more and then we'll be happier. What indication do we have in society at all that

00:59:38.920 we're not focusing on ourselves enough? I don't think that's the problem. And the, the issue is the

00:59:44.440 self can't be both the problem and the solution. So if inside yourself, you're finding all of these

00:59:49.700 issues, you're not going to find a solution to those problems in the same, in the same place,

00:59:54.280 where the problems lie. And so this is a Christian book. And I argue that you're not enough. Like 1.00

01:00:00.720 you're not sufficient to be everything that you need. You can't be the perfect employer or employee,

01:00:07.340 the perfect mom, the perfect wife, the perfect friend, all at the same time, you actually are in

01:00:12.260 desperate need from help, not just from other people, but I argue from the God who created you,

01:00:17.200 that he actually created us to be dependent on him, not just for our everyday life and for strength

01:00:24.140 and sustenance throughout our lives, but also ultimately for salvation, that we are finite,

01:00:31.320 that we are fallible, that we are made dependent. And that's a good thing. We don't have to carry this

01:00:37.140 weight of having to empower ourselves and fulfill ourselves and love ourselves enough to just be happy

01:00:44.680 one day that we get to release that responsibility, which was never ours in the first place and place

01:00:50.140 it on the only one who can carry that burden, which is God himself. And the reason that's good news is

01:00:56.400 because self-love and our ideas of enoughness and self-sufficiency change. They are very fluctuating,

01:01:05.400 undulating. They depend on our feelings, what other people say about us, our circumstances of the day,

01:01:11.500 but who God says that we are does not change because he doesn't change. So if my identity and

01:01:17.660 my worth and my confidence comes from that, then I don't have to worry about constantly trying to

01:01:23.000 drum up just enough self-love to make myself successful or happy. So again, it just releases us.

01:01:29.580 Exactly. It's not working.

01:01:31.960 It's not working. We've done it. We've been doing this for 20 years.

01:01:34.240 It is. I think we were happier when we had real responsibilities that we knew we had to live up

01:01:38.540 to and, and real goals, you know, like work hard. And, and you also talking there about like

01:01:43.100 your experience working in PR, you know, sometimes you don't actually have to love your job. You know,

01:01:49.100 if it puts food on the table and it's paying, it's paying the bills and you're a contributing

01:01:54.180 member of society, maybe you're not entitled to have the perfect job where everybody pussyfoots around 0.98

01:01:59.920 you. And you just walk through life saying I nailed it. And maybe we should set higher standards for

01:02:05.600 ourself when it comes to, you know, our, our health and our wellbeing. And we don't have to

01:02:10.840 celebrate everybody's choice, even if it leads to you being 400 pounds overweight as also a healthy

01:02:17.980 choice, right? Maybe we can stick to science, right? And say, actually that's not healthy. We hope

01:02:23.080 you're emotionally well, but that's not a healthy choice. And it's not one I want my child to make

01:02:26.760 and so on. Yeah. And I think it goes back to like, what is your definition of love to the

01:02:32.260 point that you're making? Everyone says that, you know, loving is affirming and accepting everyone's

01:02:37.080 lifestyle, everyone's choices. And it's judgmental and bigoted to say that anything is wrong. But I

01:02:41.760 think it's a faulty definition of love. If love is wanting what is best for people, if love is wanting

01:02:48.120 what will ultimately lead to the best fulfillment, then there are going to be choices that we say,

01:02:55.480 you know, probably aren't the best. That doesn't mean you hate the person. If someone decides,

01:02:59.580 you know what, I am not going to be healthy at all. And I am going to be, you know, 400 pounds,

01:03:05.360 never work out, whatever it is. You can say, you know what? I still love you as a person. I still

01:03:10.080 think that you are worth, you know, all the good things in the world and I will support you and

01:03:15.060 still be your friends. But because I love you so much and I really want what's best for you.

01:03:19.780 I also, you know, want your life to be good. Like I want you to enjoy life and all these things.

01:03:24.860 Well, look at those same people. Do you think those same people would let their kids sit down

01:03:27.940 with unlimited McDonald's? Just have it. Just have as many quarter pounders as you want. You go for

01:03:32.720 it. I'll get you five more sets of fries. But never. That's not loving. Right? Like they exactly,

01:03:37.820 they know that that is unhealthy food to eat and it will lead to an unhealthy body result.

01:03:42.460 And even, even if it were something like cauliflower or broccoli, no parent would just say,

01:03:47.660 eat yourself to oblivion. And as the scale numbers kept rising, never intervene, right? To try to do

01:03:53.120 something for their kids, because we know that's actually not healthy. You try to teach your kids

01:03:57.160 good habits. So the same thing applies with an adult. You don't, you don't, in order to be supportive

01:04:02.140 of somebody, you don't have to say, you know, extremely morbidly obese people have made a lifestyle

01:04:09.640 choice. That's perfectly acceptable. You can say that's not healthy, but don't, you know, be loving

01:04:16.260 and you don't have to comment on them at all, but we've, we've reversed it in society to where

01:04:20.560 we're celebrating it. Yeah. And I think for whatever, for whatever reason we have kind of

01:04:28.500 imbibed this very superficial and pithy and fleeting definition of what it means to be compassionate

01:04:35.180 and empathetic and loving. But I think of times in my life when maybe I wasn't making the best

01:04:40.160 choices in college or something like that. The people that meant the most to me were the people

01:04:43.740 who said, you know what? I think that you're better than this, like this guy that you're dating or the

01:04:48.500 behavior that you are exhibiting right now. It's not you. You're not living up to your values. And I

01:04:54.040 think that it's going to take you down a bad path to heartbreak. I think this is going to hurt you,

01:04:58.560 but who remains my friends, even when maybe I didn't listen to them or I didn't take their advice

01:05:04.200 right away. And I think that that is a better demonstration of love and the people that I think

01:05:09.420 back and just enabled me or allowed me have allowed me to make bad choices in my life. I mean,

01:05:15.780 some of the most meaningful conversations I've had, whether they're with my parents or with my

01:05:19.440 husband or other important people in my life have been those conversations where someone said, look,

01:05:24.560 the choice that you're about to make, or the choices that you are making, or the choices that

01:05:28.660 you're thinking about making are not good. They're not good. And they're not going to lead down

01:05:33.620 a bad path. Now I'm going to support, or they're not going to lead down a good path, but I'm going

01:05:37.380 to support you no matter what. And I love you. And I believe in you. Um, I think that if we could

01:05:41.900 revert to that kind of friendship and that kind of support rather than full fledged acceptance of

01:05:47.560 every single choice that people make, we'd be a lot better off. I think about, cause like I

01:05:52.260 interviewed when I was on NBC, um, a woman who was very overweight. She's got a television show

01:05:58.540 and I have to say she owns her body and she's not ashamed of it. And I loved that. I did feel

01:06:04.460 inspired by her self-confidence. I was like, you know what? This is great. Cause we do freaking shame

01:06:08.840 women in particular for their body image. And it's BS. I'm so over it. Um, so I liked that, 1.00

01:06:15.440 but I don't see that the same as, you know, taking somebody who is morbidly obese and holding them up

01:06:22.440 as, as an example to follow because it isn't, it's, it's not a healthy lifestyle. And all you

01:06:29.380 need to do is talk to your general practitioner about it and he'll tell you, you know, how, how

01:06:33.400 dangerous it can be and how many heart problems are caused. And obesity leads to a whole raft of

01:06:38.400 problems that nobody really wants to deal with. And we can be honest about both things, you know?

01:06:42.560 Yeah. Can I ask you about that though? Cause you write in your book about you, how you suffered

01:06:46.280 from bulimia for a while. And I wonder, can you talk about that? Because speaking of the,

01:06:52.440 incredible pressure that society puts on young women, right? To be quote, perfect in their 0.91

01:06:56.760 physical appearance and just the stress coping mechanisms that young women tend to develop,

01:07:02.600 whether it's bulimia, uh, anorexia cutting. Even now, even now I do believe as Lisa Littman,

01:07:10.420 you know, the, the professor and doctor at Brown concluded the trans thing can be attributed to a

01:07:15.580 lot of women who are struggling with control issues. It's sort of the new anorexia is what she poses, 1.00

01:07:20.080 which is controversial to say, but I understand the point. If you look at

01:07:22.420 the numbers anyway, can you talk about how you got pulled into that and pulled out?

01:07:26.920 Yeah. So that was, that's kind of how I start my, my book. He kind of sets the foundation of my book

01:07:32.880 is kind of going down this path of attempted self-empowerment and self-love and self-sufficiency

01:07:38.040 and realizing that I was actually going towards a dead end. And, um, part of that path was an eating

01:07:46.400 disorder that actually started out as just not eating. So kind of a form of anorexia, although I would

01:07:51.820 have never said at the time that I was anorexic, I would have said, well, no, I'm just, you know,

01:07:56.320 taking my health seriously. I'm just working out really hard and Oh yeah. You know, I skip a few

01:08:01.240 meals every now and then, but what I've realized since is that the definition of anorexia isn't

01:08:06.440 strictly starvation and only drinking water. It is, it can be sustaining yourself as much as possible

01:08:13.040 to survive, but still restricting your calories so much that you're losing weight rapidly. And that's what

01:08:19.000 was happening with me. And it became, it was a consequence of a heartbreak. I had been dating

01:08:25.320 someone for a very long time who I think became kind of part of my identity. And when that fell

01:08:32.240 through, when I thought that it was going to eventually end, um, in marriage, when that fell

01:08:36.640 through, I kind of had an identity crisis of who am I? And I've just spent the vast majority of my

01:08:43.220 college experience with this person. And have I missed out on all the fun, all the partying that I

01:08:47.900 didn't really do because I was dating this person. And also because it was part of my identity to be

01:08:52.980 a good girl and straight laced and all that stuff. And so I kind of decided my last semester of

01:08:59.300 college, okay, well, I'm going to try all this stuff that, you know, other people have been trying,

01:09:03.460 um, for all of college. I'm going to, you know, drink heavily on the weekends. I'm going to go to

01:09:07.840 all these parties. I'm going to have all these different guys. And somewhere within that,

01:09:12.600 I think it was the attention that I was getting from friends and from guys and parts sadness and

01:09:19.520 depression from the breakup that I decided, you know what, it feels really good to comment or for

01:09:25.520 people to comment on how I look. It feels really good to get the affirmation. And I started to lose

01:09:30.400 weight. And then I realized I just couldn't stop. But eventually with anorexia, you get hungry. And so

01:09:36.400 I started to eat and I would eat a lot at one time because maybe I had gone all day without

01:09:40.480 eating. So you'd eat a lot at one time and then you feel guilty and you feel this shame. And so

01:09:46.020 you purge, it's called a binge and purge cycle. And, um, I was, you know, last semester of college

01:09:52.100 doing that and thinking, okay, this is just like, I totally have this under control. I can stop anytime

01:09:58.160 that I want to not a big deal. I'm just kind of in this stage. I'm dealing with a break. I'm finding

01:10:02.860 myself. Um, I was really telling myself and really thought that I was actually in a very good

01:10:08.200 and healthy place at the time. I thought that I was loving myself and caring for myself,

01:10:13.300 which I know sounds so diluted. But when people are telling you that you look good,

01:10:17.740 when you have people telling you, Oh, you're just living your life, you're having fun. And this is

01:10:21.920 how you rebound from a breakup. All that stuff sounds and feels really good. And you can actually delude

01:10:26.900 yourself into thinking that all of the choices that you're making are the right ones. You're getting

01:10:30.780 into your revenge body. Yes, yes, exactly. And so that just feels good. It feels like self-empowerment.

01:10:37.360 Um, but then I graduated from college and I took a job in PR and I, you know, moved to a different

01:10:44.080 city and I couldn't stop and I didn't know why, but I wouldn't tell myself that I was addicted to

01:10:51.980 anything. But once you get used to a certain weight and how you look, and I never looked like

01:10:58.340 emaciated or anything because I was still working out and, and eating some and all of that, but I just

01:11:03.660 wanted to look a certain way. It's really hard to stop. They just look good. Like that's the,

01:11:09.280 that's the lure of bulimia. They just look thin. They, they look, it's not like a, uh, and this is

01:11:14.600 a generalization, but anorexics tend to look the more skeletal and bulimic who are taking in some

01:11:20.020 calories don't. And that's, so they get discovered less frequently. You know, they have interventions

01:11:24.800 less frequently. Yep. Yep. And, um, yeah, so I just didn't really see a need to stop. And I would

01:11:32.340 make excuses for myself for like, whenever I would kind of binge and purge that, Oh, like, yeah, my

01:11:38.340 stomach was, it's, you lie to yourself. You just find yourself lying to yourself. And it's so hard to

01:11:43.680 uncover those lies because you don't even realize that you're doing it. Um, and then one day, and I

01:11:49.400 don't even know what exactly sparked it, but I think I just one day realized, okay, like this has

01:11:57.720 trapped me and this has never been who I am. Like I've never been someone who's really struggled with

01:12:02.420 my mental health or struggled with any kind of addiction. And I guess it just hit me one morning.

01:12:07.140 I was actually at work that I'm trapped in this. Like I'm a slave to this. I can't actually free

01:12:12.720 myself. I keep telling myself that it's a stage it's not. And so I just, I just searched for a

01:12:18.680 Christian counselor in the area. I found one long story short, we had a few sessions and she,

01:12:25.380 I showed up one day and she had like this stack of papers that I guess was research. And she said,

01:12:29.980 look, you know, you keep on telling me that you're going back and forth with the throwing up.

01:12:34.760 Here's the deal. You're going to die. Like you are going to die. If you keep doing this, 1.00

01:12:39.400 this is not something you can sustain. This is a deadly disease, but if you keep doing it,

01:12:43.660 you will die. And it just hit me that, Oh, I I'm not just, this is not just, you know, a bad

01:12:51.460 harmful cycle, which of course it is. But I pictured myself, I was 22 at the time. I pictured

01:12:57.700 myself 23, 24 years old in a hospital bed, dying, not being able to live my life because of this 1.00

01:13:03.820 stupid thing that I was addicted to. Um, and I don't mean to say that, you know, rudely to people 0.97

01:13:08.960 who are still struggling with it, but it is stupid in the, in the realist sense of the word, 0.99

01:13:13.640 that it's insane, that you are lying to yourself and deluding yourself about things. Um, and you 1.00

01:13:19.760 have to have someone just kind of like, I don't know, like unload you with all of the delusion

01:13:26.840 that you have placed on yourself and uncover all of the lies and say, no, here's what's really

01:13:31.520 happening. Here's who you really are. Here's what choices you're really making. Here are the real

01:13:35.800 consequences. Um, and that's what broke it for me. It was like, I just needed someone to slap me in

01:13:41.020 the face. Metaphorically, turn the lights on. No one likes the lights turned on when it's been dark 0.96

01:13:45.480 for a long time. It hurts your eyes. You're angry, you're defensive. Um, and yet being in the light

01:13:50.840 is much better than being in the dark. And so by the grace of God through counseling, which is not

01:13:55.860 right for everyone. I don't think everyone has to go to a therapist. That's a lie that we hear a lot

01:14:00.380 today, but for people who need it, if you're in a cycle that you cannot break out of, and you keep

01:14:05.380 telling yourself that you will, but you can't, there is no shame whatsoever in getting professional

01:14:10.280 help. I just needed someone. Um, and thank God, like if you're in a cycle and you keep telling

01:14:17.240 yourself, you can get out of it and you can't, you need help. That's a good, that's sort of a good

01:14:22.020 thumbnail on when it's time to seek outside assistance, you know, not for nothing, but my mom

01:14:28.040 is a psychologist and she's, um, she's been, she was, she worked at the VA, uh, helping the vets for her

01:14:34.580 entire career in psychology and in, in, she's a psychiatric nurse. And, um, she did some private

01:14:40.980 counseling for a while. And she said in her experience, eating disorders were the toughest

01:14:45.020 cases that the hardest ones to pull tends to be women, but can be, I think it's something like

01:14:49.620 11% or less are men. Um, and she said there was one case she had that the woman was just such a 1.00

01:14:57.860 severe anorexic. And she said to her, what you heard, you're going to die. And the woman didn't 0.96

01:15:04.140 hear it. And my mom took her to a funeral home and show her, uh, like I had awake, what a dead body

01:15:11.940 looks like. And that's what it took. That did it. That turned the light on you, as you say,

01:15:17.260 but you do have to come to that realization that this behavior it's, I, I don't know if it,

01:15:23.000 maybe it's not like mainlining heroin where your rational brain knows this is deadly,

01:15:29.800 you know, food, food is so complicated. We ha we must have it. It's life sustaining.

01:15:35.020 And yeah, I'm sure there's a logic of like, I've actually never binged and purged in my life. I

01:15:39.520 just hate throwing up too much. I just can't do it. But, um, I'm sure there's a logic that like,

01:15:44.660 I'm not throwing out, throwing up all the calories I can still, I look healthy. I can still be

01:15:49.500 life sustaining and maintain this practice. I mean, the self manipulation is, is really endless.

01:15:56.960 And also what you were saying about what your mom did and what my counselor did, I think in a lot of

01:16:03.500 different contexts, maybe other than an eating disorder, we don't really mainline that right now.

01:16:08.580 People don't say that it's good to starve yourself or binge and purge, but in other ways we do what we've

01:16:15.700 been talking about is mainline things that are not healthy and are going to have similar

01:16:20.480 consequences. And what the patient of your mom and I experienced that actually, you know,

01:16:26.880 helped us get better. We're told it's unloving in different contexts. So if a doctor sat down with,

01:16:33.160 you know, a young person and said, look, I understand that you want, um, a double mastectomy.

01:16:38.780 And I understand that you want to become a man, but look, here are the things that I,

01:16:42.940 I don't actually think that this is going to be good for you. And here are the consequences that

01:16:47.020 this could possibly lead to. If you go down this path of trying to quote, become a man as a teenage

01:16:53.340 girl, like that's going to be a bad path or like obesity, like you said, um, saying that, Hey,

01:16:59.940 this is going to take you down a bad path that I don't think you want to go down. I don't think

01:17:03.400 that you want to die when you're 35 being morbidly obese. That is seen as hateful. And yet I can tell

01:17:09.960 you that someone being harsh with me and turning on the lights, um, which in other contexts would

01:17:16.540 be seen as hateful or bigoted or judgmental or whatever helped save my life. And so again,

01:17:21.920 what is loving? Like what is love is love just endlessly accepting people's choices,

01:17:26.940 even though, you know, it's going to take them down a bad path or is love speaking truth into someone's

01:17:32.900 life in a gentle and compassionate way, knowing that that truth could literally set them free.

01:17:38.900 So what do you want for people? Do you want them to abide in their own misery because you're afraid

01:17:43.420 of speaking up? Or do you want the best for them? To me, that's love. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. And you

01:17:49.580 think about it, like, what would I tell my own child? You know what I mean? Right. And of course,

01:17:54.060 if the responsibilities are different, right? It's, it's, if I see somebody who is clearly an 0.99

01:17:58.300 anorexic on the street, it's not my place to go over and say, you need help. And how can I be of

01:18:04.080 assistance? That would be crossing the boundary. But if it's my child, it's a totally different field.

01:18:07.780 Um, but I, and we're in a place where we're discussing these issues and, you know, back

01:18:12.580 to the trans thing as a society. And it does involve the kind of society that our kids are

01:18:17.500 going to grow up in. And we forever for time in memoriam have felt free to opine on the wellbeing

01:18:23.100 of children. And what are the standards we're going to set for kids that allow wellness, you

01:18:28.380 know, that foster wellness. And, and I just don't believe that includes you while you can support a

01:18:32.660 trans kid at school, you can be loving, kind, not, and non-bullying. You should not be putting

01:18:37.580 trans kids up on the school stage and giving them snaps for announcing their trans because we don't 1.00

01:18:43.460 know in too many of the cases, whether it's actual gender dysmorphia, we don't know, or whether it's a

01:18:49.320 phase they're going through because in, you know, something like 75% of the cases, I don't have the

01:18:53.040 number in front of me, they grow out of it. And now, yeah, I think it's even higher than that.

01:18:57.480 Yeah. Yeah. It's even higher, but I think it may be in the eighties, but now more and more,

01:19:02.220 we're seeing, um, young, young, young, young teenagers have double mastectomies and then

01:19:08.620 completely regret it. Right. And what, what can you do then? And going on cross-gender hormones 0.93

01:19:14.480 and then directly to, well, first puberty blockers, then cross-gender hormones, which renders you

01:19:18.920 infertile. You can't reverse it. So you should not be giving them snaps. You don't know what's really

01:19:24.260 happening. Especially we have a medical community in which now the standard is one thing, a firm,

01:19:29.080 no matter what, they don't know anything about the kid. They don't know if the parents had a

01:19:32.180 divorce this year. They don't know if the kid's desperate for attention for whatever reason.

01:19:35.560 They don't know if this is just a non-gender conforming girl, right? She's more sort of 0.98

01:19:39.800 manly in her look and her approach to life. That would have been me, Allie Beth. You know,

01:19:44.340 I was a total tomboy. I looked like a boy for most of my childhood. I never wore anything than

01:19:48.820 dirty jeans and a sweatshirt and wanted to play and did play on the boys' teams. Today,

01:19:54.340 they'd be telling that version of me, I'm a boy. I'm all girl. We're really confused right now as

01:19:59.320 a society. We're very confused because these are the same people who are saying that we need to kind

01:20:05.280 of crush gender stereotypes. And yet they're affirming the most overt gender stereotypes by

01:20:11.260 saying that, okay, a little girl who wants to play with trucks is probably a boy. And maybe you need

01:20:15.820 to start asking the pronouns and whether or not they feel like a boy. The power of suggestion

01:20:21.140 is so strong for kids that a kid who, like me, I was the same way. I had two older brothers. I never

01:20:27.220 wanted to wear a dress. Any kind of frilly thing really embarrassed me. Like I really wanted to wear

01:20:32.480 a white t-shirt and jeans. I wasn't athletic, so I can't call myself a tomboy necessarily, but

01:20:37.800 I just wasn't girly. I still am not a very frilly person. I'm just not like that. But I've never,

01:20:43.640 ever questioned whether I'm not a girl. But I do wonder, okay, if I had been raised in the context

01:20:49.980 of today, if a preschool teacher, you know, not telling my parents because that's apparently how

01:20:55.100 it is today, asked me, hey, you know, I noticed that you never wear a dress. You know who else

01:20:59.860 doesn't wear a dress? Boys don't wear dresses. Do you make me feel more like a boy? I noticed that

01:21:03.800 you like, you know, reading books about snakes, which was a really weird stage that I went through in

01:21:07.520 like second grade. You know, maybe you're a boy. Who knows what my impressionable mind would have

01:21:15.840 thought if this was a teacher that I looked up to, or maybe just an older person and mentor I looked

01:21:21.160 up to started suggesting that I would at least be confused enough to be thinking about that and

01:21:26.280 dwelling on that. And I'm afraid that's what we're doing to kids who are very much boys and girls who

01:21:33.020 maybe don't like the same things that traditionally boys and girls do. Who cares? Let a boy who likes

01:21:39.180 ballet, be a boy, affirm that it is awesome for boys to like ballet. It is awesome for boys to like

01:21:46.080 dance or whatever it is. It's awesome for girls to like baseball. That is great. Why are we telling

01:21:52.000 kids to basically hate themselves and hate their bodies? Why aren't we telling kids in the age of

01:21:57.160 self-love to love their bodies and to say, you know, you were created this way. Your body is

01:22:02.920 awesome. Being a boy is awesome. Being a girl is awesome. You like what you want to like.

01:22:08.660 Don't leave me now. We got more coming up in 60 seconds.

01:22:16.000 When we lure them into these radical procedures on their own bodies, you know, even without

01:22:20.920 parental consent. And then when you see the detransitioners, the people who are like, 1.00

01:22:24.880 oh my God, I made a terrible, terrible mistake. Thanks to this just negligent medical community that

01:22:31.520 only affirmed me and never actually made sure this is what I wanted. And these are children,

01:22:36.520 so it's not all on them. They are completely disowned and ostracized by the trans activists

01:22:44.340 as somehow, you know, terrible. Like that mob, that's a mean mob. When they come for you, 0.86

01:22:50.840 the detransitioners get bullied so badly. It's like once you're into the club, you have to stay in 1.00

01:22:57.900 forever or they'll make sure you are publicly shamed and ridiculed. It's like the support only

01:23:03.440 lasts as long as your delusion does. Cause these are people that detransitioners who say I wasn't 0.99

01:23:09.200 actually trans. Yeah. And that's why this whole mantra of just be yourself and be authentic and

01:23:15.500 we're celebrating authenticity. That's what a lot of the LGBTQ activists say. Um, that's what,

01:23:21.300 you know, organizations like GLAAD say, say, um, it's not true because these detransitioners are 1.00

01:23:27.520 being authentic. They realize that they made a mistake, that they really are their biological

01:23:32.280 sex, which I believe of course everyone is, but they identify as their biological sex. Well, 1.00

01:23:37.320 that authenticity isn't celebrated. So obviously this isn't about authenticity. It's not about

01:23:42.620 individuality. It is actually about being one way or celebrating one way. A lot of people have joked

01:23:49.480 even that, um, a lot of the gender transition that we're seeing being pushed on young people is a

01:23:55.500 form of conversion therapy that, um, a lot of people who would just end up gay, um, are, you know,

01:24:03.420 being told that because you're more feminine as a guy, you're actually a girl. And so they end up

01:24:08.320 being quote straight. It's very confusing. And I'll do you one worse than that. That's as bad as that

01:24:13.800 would be. And is, um, some, some kids who are autistic, who are on the spectrum are saying that

01:24:20.820 they're trans because it's a more acceptable form of difference, right? That it's, and we've had, 0.97

01:24:27.260 we've had detransitioners come out and talk about this and parents talk about this, how they were

01:24:30.820 socially awkward or whatever. They had a mild form of Asperger's and sort of landed on the trans thing 0.83

01:24:36.900 as a more socially acceptable. Again, you get the snaps, um, place to land then,

01:24:41.980 than this other issue that they've been dealing with. And so it's like, we must probe. We must

01:24:46.420 have responsible medical professionals who ask meaningful questions and really make sure it used

01:24:51.720 to be, you'd have to live your life as a, as a woman, if you were a biological male or vice versa, 0.54

01:24:57.960 before they would ever perform surgery on you. That's how it used to have, it used to be not so

01:25:02.040 long ago. Now it's a totally different story. We're just, it's like going to the grocery store and

01:25:06.840 exchanging apples for, you know, grapefruits. Yeah, yeah, of course. And you would think that

01:25:13.980 doctors who pledge to do no harm to their patients, that they would actively be seeking ways, um, to

01:25:22.140 find different solutions that don't include maiming a person's body. I mean, I've seen, you know,

01:25:27.880 some of the stories of the detransitioners and I just love how candid so many of them are and I,

01:25:32.940 it's heartbreaking, but it's also so insightful. Um, and one of, one of the women, a mom who

01:25:38.600 transitioned when she was a teenager, got a double mastectomy now has a child. And she talked about

01:25:44.180 not being able to breastfeed her child that she wants to be able to breastfeed. And a lot of these

01:25:50.200 people also who re-transitioned to their biological sex, you know, as, as young people, but spent their

01:25:56.800 teenage years trying to be the other sex. They also feel like they can't relate to other women or

01:26:02.920 other people, their sex of their sex, because they didn't go through the same things that,

01:26:07.500 you know, young women do. They didn't have the same experiences. And so it's a whole other level

01:26:11.880 of dysphoria and dysmorphia that we are throwing people in without really any, any caution whatsoever

01:26:18.600 in any thought. So let me ask you this as somebody, I do think people who, who are religious,

01:26:25.860 who are theological, who are biblical, they tend to have big, bigger picture views of the world.

01:26:30.620 And I think it's really helpful. I like listening to people like you because I just, I, I feel like

01:26:34.780 there's a whole host of data to mine and a whole way of looking at the world that I think people

01:26:40.200 like me who are less religious sometimes miss. Again, I sort of have the Catholic imprint on me

01:26:46.420 and I believe in God and I believe in Jesus. And, you know, I, I believe in a higher power in heaven

01:26:50.380 and all that, but I don't have the biblical knowledge. Um, where do you see this going,

01:26:56.300 Allie Beth, right? Like what are we just in this huge crisis phase as a society right now

01:27:02.180 that we're going to emerge from and say, Oh my gosh, we were nuts for that period. You know,

01:27:05.920 for a good 10 years there, we lost our ever loving minds or, you know, you're hearing stories about

01:27:11.500 secession, fracture, Ayn Rand type talk about, you know, the different factions of society,

01:27:18.600 the ones that, that work and the ones that don't like, I actually don't know the answer to that

01:27:23.040 at the moment. Yeah. And I don't think that any of us know exactly what the trajectory is. I think

01:27:28.300 we can look at history and kind of make our best guesses. One thing that does encourage me,

01:27:34.960 and it maybe sounds weird to say that it encourages me is that there have been very, very, very dark

01:27:40.580 periods, not just world history, but American history and Christians, evangelical Christians

01:27:46.000 in particular, depending on your eschatology, which means depending on what you think about the

01:27:51.480 end times when this is all going to come to an end. Some people, I would say most evangelical

01:27:56.360 Christians believe that the world is going to get worse and worse and worse until Jesus comes back. 0.51

01:28:00.740 But some people don't believe that. Um, I think that throughout history, what we actually see

01:28:06.020 is that there are times that looked apocalyptic. There are times that looked like, okay, everything

01:28:11.540 is going, you know, to, to hell in a hand basket. Everything is going wrong. It could possibly go wrong.

01:28:18.580 We are, uh, completely, uh, inundated with degeneracy and immorality and rebellion, uh, to, to God and

01:28:27.520 his order and morality. Um, but, uh, and I think that we're seeing that again now, but whether or not

01:28:34.500 we're going to swing back in the other direction, it's hard to say. I will say, I do think that a lot

01:28:39.360 of this stuff that is trying to reach into the classroom and reach into parents' homes and to

01:28:45.340 try to indoctrinate children with a lot of this, that might be the line for people. People might

01:28:52.680 actually wake up and say, okay, I was, you know, just this tolerant live and let live liberal, but

01:28:57.920 this is too far because it's no longer live and let live. When you're trying to teach my child to

01:29:02.920 either live or think a certain way that I don't agree with. So can things swing back in another

01:29:08.140 direction? Yes, I think so. Whether or not we're ever going to be this morally pristine

01:29:14.660 nation, I'm not sure. And I don't think we ever have been, by the way, in every season of American

01:29:20.820 history, there've been different kinds of injustices. We're seeing a new kind of injustice

01:29:25.120 today. I think the thing that makes it different than years past is, um, this might sound weirdly

01:29:30.620 specific, but the rise of China and the rise of other hostile actors and also the rise in technology

01:29:38.460 and the surveillance state, um, that I do think makes it a little bit scary.

01:29:43.300 The manipulation of our kids on TikTok right now is happening right now. You surrender your kid and

01:29:46.820 say, go ahead on TikTok. You have no idea how their thoughts about America and systemic racism and

01:29:52.220 what have you are being manipulated by a country that hates us. Yeah. Yeah. And what I do know,

01:29:59.080 so I don't know where it's all going to go. It could all come to a head and be, you know,

01:30:03.860 awful and terrible. And we really do get the communist future that I think some people on the

01:30:08.880 left are hoping for. Maybe not, maybe enough people will stand up and we're just going to say,

01:30:13.860 you know what, enough with denying reality and all of these different realms. We're just not

01:30:18.460 doing it. We're not going down that path, the path to unity. However, on the left and the right,

01:30:23.180 I'm not sure what I do know from a Christian perspective. You asked, yeah, you asked the big 1.00

01:30:28.200 picture. Um, well the, the Christian belief is that whether or not the world is getting worse and

01:30:33.040 worse or whether or not it's going to get worse and then better. We do believe that Jesus is coming

01:30:37.920 back. And the reason that we believe that injustice happens today, oppression happens today.

01:30:43.560 Evil is allowed to happen today. A lot of people use those as reasons not to believe in God,

01:30:47.900 but we actually believe in God's patience that one day he's coming back and he is going to set

01:30:52.360 all things, right. That he is going to get rid of evil. He's going to get rid of sin. He is going

01:30:57.680 to defeat Satan forever. And he will for all of eternity rule and perfect peace and perfect

01:31:04.200 justice. And so while we do believe in trying to make the world better today, we also know that it's

01:31:09.920 never going to be perfect until he comes back. And so that's the hope that we have. Ultimately,

01:31:15.400 I obviously believe that we should care about culture and politics today. I say that we should

01:31:20.740 care about politics because politics affects policy and policy affects people. And we're called to care

01:31:25.940 about people. Um, but I don't put my hope in a political party. I don't put my hope in everything

01:31:32.000 becoming perfect today. I think that, uh, you know, godless people are going to be godless and

01:31:37.940 godlessness in my opinion leads to insanity. It leads to stupidity. Um, and so, uh, yeah, 1.00

01:31:45.420 that could continue to be our future. And ultimately my hope is in that Christ is going to make all

01:31:51.820 things right. And truth ultimately will prevail. Um, I'm thinking about, um, I went to Christian Bible

01:31:59.980 camp when I was young. I'll confess to you the truth, which is we were trying to just go to

01:32:03.600 horseback riding camp. My best friend and I, she was a rebel rouser and somehow it wound up being a

01:32:08.080 Christian Bible camp. And we knew this when we got there and they said, do you have your Bibles?

01:32:11.440 And we were like, what? Uh, but we were both little, you know, budding Catholics who were in

01:32:16.100 CCD together, learning all that. So we just weren't ready for next level, um, Christianity, but, um,

01:32:21.840 it was an eye opener. You know, we really did see folks around us who truly believed. And,

01:32:26.100 and I remember one of my biggest takeaways from the, from the camp was this song. You tell me,

01:32:30.860 do you know this song, Ellie Beth? I am a C, I am a C-H. You know this song? I am a C-H-R-A-S-T-I-A-N.

01:32:40.140 Yes. You must've gone to Protestant camp. Is that what you, really? It sounds like a Protestant

01:32:45.880 Bible camp. I don't know. Maybe Catholics have the same kind of Bible camps. No, it wasn't Catholic. 0.61

01:32:50.620 Yeah, no, no, exactly. It was like evangelical. I-O-C-H-R-A-S-T-M-A-H-A-R-T. Yes. And we did go up

01:32:56.280 to the top of the mountain and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. And I was like, did I just

01:32:59.920 convert? Did I, I'm not sure. Like, I'm not sure I'm Catholic still. Yeah. Well, maybe that 0.55

01:33:07.000 experience, you, like you said, you have remembered a lot of theological stuff. It seems like from

01:33:12.240 growing up that kind of pops back into your head from time to time. So maybe there's a purpose for

01:33:16.740 that. Well, and you know what, and somebody else is pointing this out to me. I think it was Father

01:33:20.020 Jonathan who was on my show, my, my, my friend, and now he's formerly Father Jonathan. He left the

01:33:25.360 priesthood, but he made a good point. I have to say, he's like, Meg, you know, it's great that you

01:33:30.540 have this imprint, but you have three kids and like, you've got to get them into church. Otherwise

01:33:35.540 they're not going to have the imprint. And he's right. Gosh, as usual, my priest was right. I do

01:33:40.960 like, I'm just listening to you and what a strong role faith is playing in your life. It's a good

01:33:45.080 reminder. Even if you're tired, you got other things you want to do on a Sunday. It's like,

01:33:48.940 I've got to get them in there. I want them to have this connection to something bigger and larger

01:33:53.660 than themselves for all sorts of reasons. Right. And there's no such thing as a neutral

01:34:00.060 worldview. Everyone is indoctrinating your kids, your parents, uh, parents indoctrinate their kids,

01:34:06.980 educators indoctrinate their kids. And there's no such thing as neutrality. A worldview is going to

01:34:11.540 come from somewhere. And I think we've already seen what the postmodern worldview is, is rejecting

01:34:17.180 biological reality, rejecting history. If you're talking about the 1619 project, rejecting

01:34:23.180 what we know about morality, what is right and what is wrong and having that basis, that foundation

01:34:31.140 of knowing why we believe what we believe is so important and setting those parameters and giving

01:34:37.140 that context to our kids, I think is the most loving thing that we can do. The kind of parents

01:34:41.820 who say, you know, I'm just going to let my kids figure out whatever they want to figure out. Well,

01:34:46.020 that goes back to what we were saying about love and discipline and setting boundaries for the people

01:34:50.740 that we love. Kids are crying out for some kind of guidance. That's exactly why we see so many

01:34:56.400 aimless teenagers going on tick tock and looking for answers to life's problems. We don't want our

01:35:02.160 kids to have a tick tock theology. We don't want our kids to have tick tock worldview. We want to be

01:35:07.220 the ones to, to guide them and know we can't control everything they do. We don't want to control

01:35:12.320 everything they do, but we want to give them the best tools they can. Politically. I want my kids to

01:35:17.300 understand both arguments and make their own decisions. Right. But more morally, that's my

01:35:21.920 job. You know, that's Doug and I are the ones who are supposed to help make sure they get the proper

01:35:26.620 moral imprint. And when a kid emerges without that, that's the parents failing. That is the

01:35:33.240 parents failing. And that's where, that's sort of where I see religion is coming in like that.

01:35:37.460 That's where I got my moral compass. You know, my parents brought me to church. My parents talked

01:35:42.200 about religion. My parents helped me understand what was expected of me as a human, as a child of

01:35:47.240 God, as a Catholic, as a child of theirs. Right. Like all of that, it stays with you. If you get it 0.82

01:35:54.100 in and you get it in early, even if you go on to become, you know, you get a job in journalism,

01:35:59.320 which is completely soulless or a lawyer, which is also soulless job, um, and live in very liberal

01:36:06.180 cities, which I have for most of my adult life. It's in there. And, uh, it's, it's important.

01:36:12.760 Anyway, you've inspired me. And as you have the last time that we, that we met and talked

01:36:17.260 together when I was on your show, which I recommend to everybody, cause you're, you're

01:36:20.660 really smart and you're, you've got a lot, you got a lot more wisdom than most people have at 29.

01:36:24.280 So good luck. Good luck with motherhood. The second time around, you're going to be even more tired.

01:36:30.780 Yes. Yes. I experienced that, but it's worth it. It's worth it. And this world that says that,

01:36:36.180 just serve yourself. I think the sacrifice that comes with motherhood is, um, better than I ever

01:36:43.840 could have imagined. So I'm very thankful for it. Couldn't agree more. Amen. And I hope you have

01:36:49.420 10 more. Me too. See you soon. Thanks.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 19, 2021

Allie Beth Stuckey on Protecting Women and Girls, Motherhood, and the Courage To Stand Up ｜ Ep. 130

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