The Megyn Kelly Show - America's Mental Health Crisis, and Speaking the Truth, with Carrie Prejean Boller, Britt Mayer, and Charles Negy

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.420 Oh my God, when we last left you yesterday, this story was just breaking and now we know

00:00:21.060 a lot more about what happened yesterday in Nashville, Tennessee.

00:00:24.920 The piece is starting to come together in this devastating shooting at a private Christian

00:00:30.200 school. It went up to sixth grade, right? Sixth grade. It was littles. The three children

00:00:40.000 who were shot were all nine years old. I'm sorry, I have a nine-year-old. Can I just tell

00:00:46.500 you before I get started on the intro that Canadian Debbie wrote that is beautifully done, when

00:00:53.180 I was getting ready for the show today, there's something being done outside of our studio

00:00:57.360 so I couldn't get ready at my normal desk. So I went into Thatcher's room. He has a nice

00:01:03.780 little desk in his bedroom with a good lamp and I sat there and I was reading the details

00:01:08.960 on the three children and then three teachers who were killed, a custodian, a teacher, and

00:01:14.340 a principal. And I was looking around his room, trying to hold it together here and thinking

00:01:23.180 about what is, what's a nine-year-old into? There were two girls and a boy killed. My

00:01:29.740 nine-year-old, you know, the first thing I saw was this like poop emoji squishy on the

00:01:35.720 desk, right? I mean, not far from that, to be perfectly honest with you, there was like

00:01:40.040 a fart blaster where if you, if you press the, you know, the trigger, it makes the funny

00:01:45.200 noises. Um, his books, Land of Stories, uh, little, little medals, you know, from little

00:01:53.040 events he's won that he's proud of. Um, his stuffed animals, that's nine stuffed animals

00:01:58.480 there. Calls him his defense force on the bottom of his bed. There's a little avocado,

00:02:03.940 there's a stuffed dog, there's a bear, there's a Syracuse University orange, you know, things

00:02:08.380 like that. That's nine. They're little. He still wants to be tucked in every night and

00:02:14.340 God bless it. I do it. And so does Doug. And we sometimes are tired, but 99% of the time

00:02:21.160 love it and look forward to it. He was trying to convince his uncle to tuck him in last summer.

00:02:25.340 And, uh, the uncle was like, you can do it, Thatcher. And, uh, Thatcher said, it's really

00:02:30.500 easy. All you have to do is pull the covers up to my nose and give me a kiss. That's nine.

00:02:38.380 That's nine. There was a little picture on his corkboard. It was like a celebration of

00:02:43.900 courage that they did in his class. It's third grade. And he said, um, I, I felt brave when

00:02:50.740 I went in the ocean, which I'm afraid of and went under a big wave. That's nine. Nine makes

00:02:59.580 the gas jokes and has the poop emojis. And nine reads sweet books like Land of Stories as an escape

00:03:06.100 to get away from life and go into the fairytale world, which they still think is possible.

00:03:12.260 Everything seems possible. And three nine-year-olds were shot down yesterday by one sick person.

00:03:20.100 In addition to the three school administrators, there's something wrong with our society. And

00:03:25.720 I, for one, I'm fucking sick of the knee jerk. It's the guns, get the guns. We have 330

00:03:31.980 million guns. It may be over 400 million by some counts in America. They're not going away that

00:03:38.620 we could do an assault weapons ban tomorrow. They're not going away. All right. We had to

00:03:44.620 take a serious, honest look at what's wrong with us. We can take a look at what's going on in the case

00:03:50.900 of this particular woman, trans person, biological woman, and figure out what made this person

00:03:58.300 crack. But we go through this every time. We try to figure out the issues that led to this person

00:04:04.940 to do it or that person to do it. And then we change nothing. Okay. We change nothing. And I

00:04:10.020 realize it's a big country and you get, it's a free country and you're never going to be able to stop

00:04:13.880 them all. But that shouldn't lead to just the constant shoulder shrugs like, well, and I, for

00:04:20.220 one, think we really need to take a hard look at yes, mental health and also institutionalization

00:04:28.960 institutionalization. We need to make it easier to civilly commit people who are showing signs,

00:04:35.120 red flags, that they may be the next school shooter. I don't know whether they were present

00:04:40.100 in this case. The police haven't released that. We'll find out more in the days to come.

00:04:45.700 This morning, the police revealed stunning new video evidence of this attack.

00:04:51.480 It's chilling. It's six plus minutes. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I've never seen anything

00:04:56.660 like this. They don't normally release this kind of intimate details, these kind of intimate details

00:05:03.080 about an attack, but they did. I'm guessing in the wake of Uvalde, where we know we were lied to by

00:05:10.000 the cops. The cops were cowards in that case. They're trying to show exactly how they handled

00:05:16.460 it and when and how. And so I do appreciate the transparency, but they are, this video is

00:05:21.700 disturbing. You can see some of the victims. Therefore, we will not be showing most of these

00:05:28.360 videos. We have no desire to put that on display out of respect for the families and those who are

00:05:34.600 grieving. And we also, as always, declined to give the shooter any more notoriety than this sick person

00:05:43.000 obviously wanted. Nor are we going to showcase her cowardice who turned a peaceful school for young

00:05:50.280 children into a war zone. That was her swan song in dealing with her issues. Took the time to write

00:05:57.180 some weird, loving goodbye to a female friend of hers. Wanted to announce that she'd be soon seen on

00:06:05.520 the news. So don't help. The media shouldn't help. She wanted infamy. We declined to give it. Talk about

00:06:13.580 what happened. Try to figure this out because we care about our children and our country. About her,

00:06:18.760 I don't give two shits. I'm sorry. I don't care who gets offended. I don't care. I want this person

00:06:27.400 to be rotting in hell right now. I'm trying to find my inner Catholic to say, we forgive. We try to

00:06:35.540 understand. Right now, I'm not going to lie. I'm praying to God she's burning in hell. That's my

00:06:41.660 prayer. Maybe it makes me a bad person. I'll have to see forgiveness this Sunday as I always do.

00:06:48.760 On the other side of the ledger, you know, this person was evil, but this story is not all about

00:06:56.520 evil. It's also about incredible courage. And the video, the six minute video makes you proud as you

00:07:03.720 can be of our law enforcement. You know, all cops are bastards. You know, the people like BLM activists

00:07:11.920 who have been telling us that for the past three years, we're going to show you these cops. You ask

00:07:17.920 yourself whether these are the bastards that have been so demonized by the far left over the past

00:07:23.240 few years. These are heroes. These are young guys who ran toward the danger and you will see it without

00:07:30.600 a thought for themselves, their professionalism, their courage, their calmness. Under very tense

00:07:37.920 circumstances, you can hear the siren blaring. You can see the the lights flashing. They showed honor,

00:07:44.680 true honor. Sometimes you wonder, especially with young people today, like what? What's going through

00:07:50.980 their heads? Is there anything to feel proud of? You know, what's happening to our society? You look

00:07:55.460 at these guys. I don't know how old they are. They look young and you think, thank God we were still

00:08:01.720 Americans. We still do run toward the danger. We still have heroes here. It's not all bad. It's not all

00:08:09.200 society decay. And we're going to show you the video and play it for the listening audience too

00:08:15.840 in a minute. We always ask why, right? In times like these, we always ask why, why would somebody

00:08:22.220 do this? Why would you target little children? Why does this little child seen here? Oh, waving in a,

00:08:31.500 in a window or with, with the hand up on the window, have to end the school day in utter terror

00:08:38.500 and grief? There are no easy answers. There never are in these cases, but at least in this particular

00:08:48.520 case, we have quickly found out some of the details. The shooter was not, as we said when we closed out

00:08:54.900 the show yesterday, based on the police reporting, in her teens, she was 28. She was a biological woman,

00:09:03.460 but had begun identifying as a transgender man, had changed the pronouns and had started using a male

00:09:12.640 name. We are told by law enforcement, the shooter had previously attended this school again, which was

00:09:19.240 either K through six or preschool through six. The shooter had no previous criminal record, but police

00:09:26.480 say the shooter may have had some resentment for having gone to this school. Though I have to say the

00:09:32.600 way the cop, the chief phrased it was very sketchy. I'm not sure. There are indications the shooter also

00:09:38.820 considered targeting another school instead of this one, but decided against it because that school had

00:09:46.380 too much security. I mean, note to the schools and the administrators out there, because in the wake

00:09:53.040 of these tragedies, I don't want to say every time, but too often we see copycats. I know I'm worried

00:10:02.340 about it. I'm sure every parent out there is worried about it right now. And if you don't have a lot of

00:10:08.200 security at your school, now's the time to beef up right now, beef up. Even if you can't sustain it

00:10:13.520 long-term, you have to do it in the wake of something like this because it does give people

00:10:16.900 ideas. It's one of the reasons why we shouldn't put these stories on loop. Yes, they need to be

00:10:21.060 discussed, but they don't need to go on loop. So that other school was rejected because it had too

00:10:26.960 much security. This shooter clearly had a history of mental health issues as evidenced by the chilling

00:10:33.100 final message I referenced a moment ago that she sent to a longtime friend just minutes before the

00:10:39.740 shooting. According to those messages, which thankfully the friend has released, the shooter

00:10:44.860 wrote, quote, so basically that post I made on here, we don't know what she's referencing about you. That

00:10:51.300 was basically a suicide note. I'm planning to die today. This is not a joke. You'll probably hear about

00:10:58.180 me on the news after I die. It was signed with both the shooter's female and male names. And the friend

00:11:06.700 responded, you have so much more life to live. I pray God keeps and covers you. That friend,

00:11:14.320 miraculously, right? Because so often you get the message like this on social media or something,

00:11:18.600 and they don't do anything. That friend did the right thing. She called the cops to report the

00:11:23.700 messages, but it had all happened so quickly. So there wasn't time. The shooter was already at the

00:11:29.700 school. It was moments later that the shooter did what she did. At this stage, authorities do not

00:11:36.700 believe that the shooter was targeting specific people inside the school, that they were random

00:11:41.140 victims. However, Covenant's head of school, 60-year-old Catherine Kuntz, was among the victims.

00:11:47.040 She's been described as a remarkable woman, strong and steady and hilarious. Also killed, 61-year-old

00:11:54.940 substitute teacher, Cynthia Peake. She leaves behind a husband, a daughter, and two sons.

00:12:01.040 The third adult victim, 61-year-old school custodian, Mike Hill. A former pastor who hired Mike said of

00:12:09.700 him, I don't know the details yet, but I have a feeling when it all comes out that Mike's sacrifice

00:12:15.420 saved lives. I have nothing factual to base that upon. I just know what kind of guy he was,

00:12:20.200 and I know he's the kind of guy that would do that. And then there are the three smallest victims,

00:12:26.700 all three children killed, just nine years old, as I said. Among them, Hallie Scruggs. Hallie's dad

00:12:35.040 is a pastor at the Connected Church. In a statement, he called his little girl such a gift, saying,

00:12:40.500 through tears, we trust that she is in the arms of Jesus, who will raise her to life once again.

00:12:46.100 Hallie has three older brothers. You can see them in this picture. If you check us out on YouTube,

00:12:51.720 just imagine how those little boys are feeling today. And Hallie's poor mother. In the image

00:12:58.560 we're showing, she's absolutely beaming. She has a beautiful, from the look of it, very happy family.

00:13:04.360 That is the smile of a mother in pure happiness and love with her family, not anticipating anything

00:13:10.700 like this, as none of us do when we send our children off to school. We haven't learned a lot

00:13:17.660 of details about the other two young victims just yet, but Evelyn Dickhouse was a third grader at the

00:13:22.480 school. And last night at a prayer vigil, Evelyn's older sister told the crowd through tears, quote,

00:13:28.120 I don't want to be an only child. The little boy was William Kinney. We don't have a picture of him yet

00:13:34.560 either. And we don't yet know all the stories that William's friends and family, no doubt, have about

00:13:41.580 him. I'm sure there are many. And when we learn more, we will share them. That's how you keep

00:13:48.080 their memories alive, right? Remember the piece we did over the summer on Blake Barklage,

00:13:54.060 my friend's 17-year-old son who died of myocarditis suddenly about a year ago, October of 21.

00:14:03.740 They did such a good job. And that piece, certainly, thank God, is not about a murder,

00:14:07.340 but it's about the loss of a child at an untimely place in their childhood and how one deals with it

00:14:15.480 and how one keeps their memory alive and what the grieving process can look like. Can it in any way

00:14:20.420 be joyful? Can it in any way be loving? Can it in any way involve people bringing your child's name

00:14:25.520 up to you all the time? It can. It can. And there's a blueprint in that piece, which is on our YouTube

00:14:31.620 page and on our show. We'll get the episode number for you too. For parents and others

00:14:36.660 thinking about grief and how one gets through a massive tragedy. I mentioned the Mr. Rogers

00:14:43.780 philosophy. You know, in times like this, look for the helpers. Such good advice. And boy, were there

00:14:49.480 helpers here. There were heroes here. Here are the names of just two of them, and there will be more.

00:14:55.680 They weren't the only two unseen. Nashville police officer Michael Colazzo and officer Rex Engelbert.

00:15:03.080 Look at these guys. They can't be out of their 20s, can they? I mean, young 30s at the absolute most.

00:15:09.140 They look like they're mid-20s to me. I don't know how old the pictures are. But these two men are

00:15:13.660 credited with taking down the shooter. Officer Colazzo has been on the force for nine years. Officer

00:15:19.020 Engelbert, just four. When they and other officers arrived at the scene, the shooter began firing

00:15:24.800 off rounds at police through a second floor window. The chaos began immediately. The bullets

00:15:30.640 hit patrol cars. Even so, Colazzo and Engelbert and their fellow officers ran toward the gunfire

00:15:36.120 as they are trained and required to do in order to find and take down the threat and save the lives

00:15:42.800 of who knows how many inside that school. The video we are about to show is these officers entering the

00:15:49.700 building and doing exactly that. A warning that it may be disturbing for some, but it shows the

00:15:56.640 absolute heroism in the face of terror. Could you do this? Think of what police do on a day-to-day

00:16:03.500 basis. Could you do this? Could you maintain this kind of professionalism?

00:16:08.180 In these circumstances, if you are just listening right now on SiriusXM, you will hear the shouting

00:16:16.560 and the chaos as they move throughout the building, going from the first floor up to the second where

00:16:21.280 the shooter was and eventually confront the shooter. Watch.

00:16:25.620 rifle first, rifle first, blue, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, move, move, move, I'm with you, go left, hold on, hold on, one down, keep pushing, go, right, right, right,

00:16:54.300 stop moving, stop moving, stop moving, watch left, watch left, suspect down, suspect down.

00:17:18.400 Hmm. Good God. God bless them. God bless the families of these victims who are going through so

00:17:26.580 much right now. We pray like the family of little Hallie that they are with Jesus.

00:17:33.620 This shooting started and ended in less than 15 minutes. The video the police released showed the

00:17:39.800 shooter coming in through a side door and shooting through the glass. It does make you wonder whether

00:17:44.360 your school is bulletproof glass, doesn't it? Do most schools? I don't think most schools do.

00:17:50.440 Um, but we can fortify with officers. We can have armed security guards. Those doors were locked.

00:17:57.000 That's what's disturbing. They were locked, not like Uvalde where they were open.

00:18:01.480 Now this community has to try to figure out a way to begin to heal. Joining me now,

00:18:08.460 Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer, founders of the Battle Cry, a platform they created with the

00:18:14.680 goal of protecting children. Ladies, I'm so happy to have you here today. This is just so heartbreaking

00:18:19.560 to moms, to women of faith who've devoted your lives to helping protect children in many different

00:18:25.680 ways. It's just so upsetting. And it's, you feel so freaking helpless, don't you? I mean, I know we're

00:18:33.260 not helpless. There's certain things we can do, but there's no guarantees when you send your

00:18:37.260 littles off to school. There's just not, it's just one of the sad realities of living in a free country

00:18:41.480 where mental illness is a factor. It is. Um, I told Carrie this morning, I'm like, I'm not going to

00:18:50.420 make it through our time together because I have a nine-year-old daughter and you know, you're talking

00:18:57.760 about like what it looks like, like a childhood. It's horses, it's fairy tales, it's bike rides.

00:19:11.120 It's that the world is good.

00:19:13.120 And our country has created a monster that is manifesting in a mental health crisis

00:19:32.700 of a whole generation and a coming generation. And those little

00:19:42.080 fairy tale, fairy tale childhoods, like my daughters are in the line of fire

00:19:53.300 and we have to start talking about it. And we have to start moving beyond the conversation about

00:20:03.180 guns. Guns have been in the American fabric since inception, but something else has changed.

00:20:12.080 And if we're not talking about that, then we're missing the whole plot line. And we're only going

00:20:16.040 to see more and more of this. You're so right. You know, you, you got, you girls know online,

00:20:23.180 if you even say thoughts and prayers in the wake of something like this,

00:20:26.720 these crazy anti-gun activists will start chastising you like F your thoughts and prayers,

00:20:33.780 unless you get behind their, their push to control guns,

00:20:36.860 you're in favor of something like this. I, I feel the, I'm starting to feel the same about them.

00:20:42.080 F you and your constant obsession over firearms. We can get rid of all the firearms and we're still

00:20:48.660 going to have sick homicidal maniacs who want to kill nine-year-olds. And let's deal with that.

00:20:56.380 Why your constant knee-jerk obsession about firearms is preventing us from dealing with that.

00:21:02.940 You know, I mean, it's Carrie, I, we have to talk about that. We have to talk about mental illness and

00:21:09.520 we do have to be honest about the obvious mental illness that this particular shooter was dealing

00:21:15.860 with. This has been something you guys have been spending a lot of time on because this person

00:21:20.480 was trans was obviously deeply unwell.

00:21:27.220 Yeah. Um, Megan, thanks for having us on today. Um, my son just turned 10 a few weeks ago and,

00:21:33.200 um, I, I can't even, I, I, I can't even imagine what that mother is going through today,

00:21:41.960 waking up, even if I doubt she even went to sleep. Um, the fact that this happened at a Christian

00:21:48.540 school, this was a hate crime and we need to start saying it. This was an attack on Christians.

00:21:54.960 This was an attack on families, good, good families. The pastor of the church lost his beautiful,

00:22:05.180 innocent little girl because of this mentally deranged person, mentally deranged person.

00:22:15.100 And we are fostering that mental illness in this country. We are encouraging it. We are fostering it.

00:22:21.260 We are promoting it. We are looking at it as love and tolerance and equality. No, no. We need to start

00:22:30.880 telling it like it is. This is a mentally ill person. And I pray to God that we don't, we don't

00:22:37.660 see more of this, but I don't, I don't know what to do, Megan. I don't know what the hell to do.

00:22:43.660 People's heads are in the sand and they're too damn afraid to say what it is because they don't want

00:22:49.640 to be labeled as a bigot or a trans foe. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. That's the thing is it's like

00:22:58.140 there are trans people who are good people and who are living their lives privately without bothering

00:23:05.500 anybody. But let's be honest. There's, there appears to be a disproportionate likelihood of

00:23:13.660 mental illness in this particular group. I mean, this is not like a perfectly well person doesn't

00:23:20.780 one day declare themselves trans in the middle of their life. Like this girl did. They don't.

00:23:26.860 And it's no accident. And it's no surprise that she was also threatening suicide. Right. It's like,

00:23:34.160 and no focus on guns is going to get us out of problems. Like this particular shooter,

00:23:40.520 this person's mother was posting repeatedly online about how bad guns are and how we've got to do

00:23:49.460 something to get guns out of schools, upset about things like Sandy hook. How about your own kid?

00:23:56.260 Like, like, how do you think we get the school shooter? How do you think you get what makes

00:24:00.620 somebody pick up the gun? Why don't we talk about that? Why don't we always just focus on how they

00:24:07.140 actually got it as opposed to why they want it? That examination is the most important one.

00:24:12.840 And it does start with that mother, this person's declarations in the middle of her life that she

00:24:19.560 was trans. This is like the 16 year old girl contagion from what it sounds like. She wasn't

00:24:26.000 trans and then suddenly she's trans. And by the way, there was no bullying. According to her school

00:24:30.960 colleagues, they're speaking out. Now the classmates are saying she was totally supported.

00:24:35.460 You know, this isn't a Columbine thing or you bully. Like this is an unwell person. And instead

00:24:40.920 of getting any care from the sound of it, she was probably celebrated as we've seen time after time.

00:24:47.940 Like there's no indication from the mother's media post that the mother did anything other than

00:24:51.300 celebrate the child. And I think the child needed help. The young woman, she's 28 now.

00:24:57.960 Clearly, clearly. And I think what you just said is really important is we've created like this,

00:25:03.860 uh, this ranking system of citizens in America where, you know, we have the protected classes and

00:25:10.360 we have the oppressors and we have the oppressed, you know, and when you, when you gaslight that and

00:25:16.920 you continually harp on it and it's the pins and the flags and the, you know, it's, it's in your face

00:25:23.760 24 seven, that there are oppressors and oppressed. What the hell do we think is going to happen?

00:25:30.780 What do we think is going to happen as if the actual mental illness in itself, isn't enough

00:25:37.220 of a concern. What happens when a society is so freaking fixated on gaslighting that mental illness

00:25:43.740 to say you are oppressed and the people around you are the oppressors. The Christians are the

00:25:48.980 oppressors. What is going to happen? And it's still happening, but it starts to feel pretty,

00:25:56.620 pretty manufactured. If we aren't talking about this, if we aren't calling it for what it is,

00:26:01.920 and if we aren't demanding answers to what we've done in this society to go from, you know,

00:26:06.660 one nation under God to now we have multiple national anthems and we have months of celebrating

00:26:13.120 this black class and this class and we have separate graduations and we have all it's so

00:26:19.180 divided and it's so gaslit on, we have the oppressors and we have the oppressed. What do

00:26:25.140 you think is going to happen? And they're still doing it. I mean, in the wake, these victims haven't

00:26:32.080 even been buried yet. They haven't even likely been autopsied yet. And already the media, the left

00:26:41.220 jumps. I mean, literally there was an NBC guy who tried to blame this on the daily wire yesterday

00:26:48.160 that there were a lot of terrible, terrible takes and we'll go through them, many of them,

00:26:53.740 but this was to me the worst one. Hold on. I want to find it from the guy who worked at him,

00:26:58.340 who works at NBC. Um, do we have the tweet you guys? I'm trying to look for the page number. Here it

00:27:04.720 is Benjamin, Benjamin Ryan. I have it. Um, who is in a New York times, of course, an NBC contributor.

00:27:13.600 NBC has ID'd the Nashville school shooter as blank. We don't say the names of mass shooters on the show

00:27:19.700 28 who identifies as transgender and had no previous criminal record. Nashville is home to the daily

00:27:27.880 wire, a hub of anti-trans activity by Matt, at mash, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, and Michael Knowles.

00:27:34.800 He later deleted it because of the blowback that started coming in. That is the most disgusting thing

00:27:41.020 I've seen in the wake of this tragedy. Who goes there? The daily wire is not a hub of anti-trans

00:27:48.260 activity. They are guys who are saying what you gals have been saying, which is no medical

00:27:54.480 interventions on children. Stop mutilating minors. They're too young to consent. And yes,

00:28:00.880 there are people like Matt Walsh who, who does not believe, and Ben and Michael, I think is fair,

00:28:05.620 does not believe you can change your biological sex. That if you were born a man, you were a man and so

00:28:10.180 on. Um, that to then link that to this trans person's decision to kill nine-year-olds. What the

00:28:18.680 hell? But that's what we're up against. That's what you're talking about, Brit. That's what the media

00:28:22.740 does before, during, and after an event like this. And if you have somebody in the LGBTQ community

00:28:29.500 or some other protected community group involved, you can call out the playbook before you've even

00:28:36.400 seen it. Yeah. And also they're not over. This is not over there. They're having a whole few days

00:28:41.800 of vengeance. I don't know if you saw that, Megan, but Oh yeah. They're promoting that before this

00:28:47.820 shooting, a trans group was promoting a day of vengeance. That's, that's right. Yeah. They feel

00:28:53.340 justified because remember they're the victims, they're the victims and, and they're the oppressed

00:28:59.020 class. So they feel justified in getting revenge. This is, this is where we're at and it's not,

00:29:06.580 it's not over. I mean, they're planning this for next, for, for this week, even I think it starts

00:29:11.940 the 31st, right Brit. Yeah. Yeah. And ironically I had re you know, I was following this story

00:29:18.620 since it broke yesterday. And ironically I woke up this morning cause I was reposting a lot and

00:29:24.380 Twitter had taken down my repost of the, um, the graphic that they were using, which is good. You

00:29:32.440 know, um, it shows that they're on it, but yeah, they, there, um, are organizations that are calling

00:29:37.980 on at beginning the 31st and it's a show up at the Supreme court, um, bring a buddy and a mask and

00:29:44.260 we're going to, um, it was just, it's a vengeful, it was a vengeful post and you know, well, it does

00:29:53.060 because, because look, look what happens in the wake of, let's say, um, the Buffalo shooting in

00:29:58.140 New York state, which by the way, New York state has very tough gun laws. So does California where

00:30:01.920 we've had repeated multiple, uh, mass shootings where you gals live. Um, tough, tough gun laws in

00:30:08.500 the country. All right. Tennessee does not have tough, toughest gun laws in the country. It's not

00:30:12.300 the guns. The people, the mass shootings are happening in States with very tough gun laws and

00:30:16.160 they're happening in States with very easy, very light gun laws. Just stop it, stop it, stop it,

00:30:20.580 stop it. But anyway, um, it would happen in, in Buffalo was a racist mass shooting at that.

00:30:26.660 I think it was Kroger grocery store. Um, and the guy left a very racist white supremacist manifesto.

00:30:33.660 And then we saw the media say, well, it's all the fault of the Republicans. The Republicans

00:30:37.660 are white nationalists and the Trump crowd, they're white nationalists, they're racists.

00:30:42.620 Nevermind the fact that Trump's numbers with the black community are breaking records still to this

00:30:46.840 moment. There was a poll out yesterday showing how much better he does with black voters than

00:30:50.480 DeSantis than anybody else. Okay. Okay. But he's a white supremacist. I guess they just don't

00:30:54.160 understand that. Um, so that's, uh, the media goes there. It's the fault of Republicans rhetoric,

00:30:59.780 but now, now do you think there's going to be any soul searching, you know, by these same people

00:31:05.440 want to blame rhetoric? All right. What about your side? What about the let's have vengeance flyer

00:31:11.340 that's been all over Twitter by the trans community? What about the demonization of people like Matt and

00:31:16.440 Ben and so, and Michael Knowles for having a, a legitimately held position, which everybody in America

00:31:22.500 held up until about two minutes ago, right? You can't change gender. You can't change biological

00:31:27.700 sex. They won't do that. Right. Instead, they're going to try to twist this to say, those guys got

00:31:32.920 this person so angry or their policies got this person so angry that she justifiably, you know,

00:31:39.600 went down into a dark rabbit hole. That's where this is going to go. Right. Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:31:44.540 You're exactly right, Megan. And one other thing that I want to point out, why are we so afraid as a

00:31:50.540 society to call it like it is? Why are we so afraid to be accused of being a transphobe? I mean,

00:31:58.340 you look at the last shootings. These are, these are all similar people that, that believe that

00:32:04.580 they're the opposite gender who are told, yeah, you can just change your gender. You can just become

00:32:09.580 God and change your gender and, you know, have everybody obey and respect your pronouns and,

00:32:16.700 and go along with this fantasy. I mean, we're, we're seeing the repercussions of this, Megan.

00:32:22.300 This is, this is what we get when we affirm lies. We're affirming lies of people and it's ending in

00:32:30.660 death and destruction. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't know about you, but, and I know the trans

00:32:35.520 community will cite studies only done on adult trans people, not kids, uh, saying, oh, your happiness

00:32:42.140 goes up after you transition. Those have been called into serious question. Those quote unquote

00:32:46.880 studies. Um, yes, I will say, I know I've been used to know very, very well, a, a trans person who,

00:32:55.480 um, transitioned fully. And this person's life was shitty before the transition and it remained shitty

00:33:02.180 after the transition. In fact, they added a whole bunch of other problems to their life. And I do wonder

00:33:06.460 whether, I mean, look, I'm going to be honest, whether there should be almost a red flag when,

00:33:11.880 you know, dealing with these people, because they clearly have mental health issues and they do not

00:33:17.480 get solved despite these fake studies by transitioning. Go ahead, Britt.

00:33:21.720 You are so on the money. It's like, I can't like get, I'm, I'm so you're, you're over the target.

00:33:28.740 And, you know, um, the first we've been diving into the history of where did this ideology come from?

00:33:34.900 Because it's important. Like we need to know where, where did it come from? And so we've been

00:33:39.380 doing, uh, in like master's level research project on all of this and the big players and what was

00:33:45.380 going on in history, um, in regards to this, this gender identity religion that has taken over

00:33:53.120 America. And in going back, you know, it's really fascinating because you just touched on it is, um,

00:33:58.800 you were talking about, you know, the, before the transition, the, after the transition, did you know

00:34:02.720 that, um, the very first sex change clinic in America was John Hopkins university and, um, John

00:34:09.720 money, Dr. Money was behind it because he was the creator of the term gender identity and gender

00:34:15.440 role. And the belief that gender and sex are two separate things. Um, he founded this first sex

00:34:20.800 clinic at John Hopkins you. And, um, there, when a new head came into that clinic, he said, you know,

00:34:27.420 we need to do some long-term have long-term data on these patients who have, um, transitioned.

00:34:34.040 And so they followed, I believe 50 of these patients. And the conclusions were that there was,

00:34:40.520 there was absolutely no marker, no indication of an improved mental wellness on these, these patients.

00:34:47.680 And this is early America. We're talking like sixties. So, um, that first sex clinic shuttered.

00:34:54.140 And at the time we had 20 sex clinics that were operation, sex change clinics that were operational

00:34:59.620 in America. And by 1990, we were down to three because it was proven. It was proving in real time

00:35:07.560 that chopping off bits and pieces of people for a mental illness, wasn't solving the problem.

00:35:14.700 It wasn't creating a sense of like, Oh my gosh, these people are transitioning and now they're all

00:35:19.400 better. Their mental markers stayed the same by and large after going through operations.

00:35:27.100 Uh, I think that we have to get back to a point where we're asking those questions again of what's

00:35:31.520 happening to all these kids that we are cutting up to bits and pieces. We have so many detransitioners

00:35:36.840 coming out. Now we have one that's, um, suing actively Kaiser Permanente and saying that it did

00:35:42.660 nothing that they felt like it was a complete disservice against their body to have it mutilated

00:35:47.220 in the name of science and progress. Oh, I think we have to, as a country, start looking into this

00:35:53.860 and asking what are the long-term effects and what's the data showing us? Because if it stays

00:35:59.080 the same as it did back when John Meyer did that investigation on that first sex change clinic money,

00:36:04.820 then, um, then we're in, we're in big trouble as a nation. Yeah. John money was the one who did that

00:36:09.460 experiment on the, the two boys, the twin boys, one of whom had a catastrophic, uh, accident during

00:36:16.780 the circumcision and the parents at, on John money's advice decided to try to raise him female that they,

00:36:23.240 they tried to convince him that he was born a girl and it was absolutely devastating. And the,

00:36:28.360 he wound up killing himself as an adult. And it was really sad. We played this helmet a few times.

00:36:32.080 And he was, uh, John money upheld that experiment on those two boys as a complete success. It wasn't

00:36:39.680 until another colleague of his John, uh, Dr. Diamond from Hawaii, who was also a sexologist said,

00:36:45.840 you know, let's look and see the longterm of these boys. Um, you know, if this experiment was a success

00:36:51.280 and he found, um, David Raymer, who was a no longer, um, Brenda and had gone on to living back as a man.

00:37:00.920 And, um, realized that this whole experiment was a complete abject failure, which ended in both,

00:37:07.460 um, both of the boys dead in their thirties, um, one by suicide with a gun and the other an overdose.

00:37:13.840 And this is your earliest data we have on what this ideology does to people who have a mental disorder

00:37:21.520 when we affirm it as normal, but we have to, we have to start talking about these tough,

00:37:27.320 these tough pieces of data that we have and not just pretend it away or pretend that we're so

00:37:34.480 virtuous and so progressive that we're not going to talk about it because everything is fine.

00:37:38.880 Everything's fine.

00:37:40.060 Until something like this happens until something like this happens.

00:37:44.680 That's right. I mean, there's been a lot of warning signals that we need to start paying attention,

00:37:48.860 like serious attention to this. This is not, this isn't like, I mean, later we're going to talk

00:37:53.520 about the latest pretendian, you know, pretend Indian, um, yet another person faking their

00:37:58.940 native American status. This isn't, that's kind of funny. I have to say, it's kind of amusing. I

00:38:03.000 love catching these people. You can laugh at it. You it's pathetic. You know exactly why they're

00:38:07.500 doing it. I I'm not going to look at that person and say, she's got mental health problems. She's

00:38:11.320 like, I understand why she did it. I mean, it's pathetic. It's fraud. It's not ethical,

00:38:14.580 but, um, this, this group of people is in a different group. There there's no question.

00:38:20.340 There's no question that there are mental health issues, period. And therefore we have to just

00:38:26.460 take a minute to pause and figure out what they are and how severe they are. And that leads me to

00:38:31.400 news that is just breaking now about this particular shooter and what else may have been plaguing her.

00:38:38.560 Forgive me. I'm going to do a quick break. Uh, cause we're like eight minutes past where I was

00:38:42.980 supposed to do it anyway. So we'll squeeze in a break. I'll come back with that. Um,

00:38:46.320 want to tell you the Blake Barklage episode that I mentioned was episode three 93. His family's

00:38:51.160 still doing well. They are among the most beautiful people I've ever had the privilege to know. And if

00:38:55.340 you want to spend 20 minutes getting to know them, please go back and check it more with Carrie and

00:38:59.960 Brett right after this quick break. The daily beast is now reporting, citing a source close to the

00:39:09.160 shooter's family that the shooter was autistic, but high functioning. Can I tell you, this has

00:39:17.720 happened over and over. Moms have spoken out about this. There was a piece I remember not long ago,

00:39:22.380 but Canadian mom can, I mean, Canada is all about affirming, affirming, affirming, same as America

00:39:26.360 now who said, I had no, no trouble finding a gender affirming clinic. When my child said they thought

00:39:32.060 that they were cross transgender. Uh, what I did have trouble finding was somebody who could get to the

00:39:38.020 correct diagnosis that my child was actually just autistic. This was just an autistic child.

00:39:43.560 And more and more, I have spoken to mental health professionals who have identified this as a

00:39:48.380 trend. Parents who have autistic children are taking them in and they're being told, Oh, maybe they're

00:39:54.400 just trans. Oh, great. I'll take that. I'll go for the train. That's a, that's a, that's a hip,

00:39:58.920 cool diagnosis. You get the snaps on stage for trans, but autism. Wow. I mean, who wants autism,

00:40:04.360 right? I don't know what this particular person's issues were, but Carrie, I'm not surprised. I got

00:40:09.940 to be on. I'm not surprised to see this. You're exactly right. I think parents are so desperate

00:40:15.680 for answers and they're seeing now, Megan. I mean, what, what are they seeing? Not only will their kid

00:40:20.540 become an instant millionaire and get, you know, um, Dylan Mulvaney, uh, endorsements and millions of

00:40:28.480 dollars and be hailed up this narcissistic hero in a way, you know, they're being fed these lies.

00:40:35.800 And so these parents are now buying into the lies and, and just saying, you know what, any, anything,

00:40:41.560 anything at this point. So yeah, let's have them be trans. I mean, this is so, this is what's wrong

00:40:46.880 is that I blame, I blame these parents. I blame culture. I blame academia. I blame, uh, policies.

00:40:55.440 I blame, uh, lawmakers. This is what we're seeing in American culture right now. This is what we need

00:41:02.380 to be talking about every single day. This is domestic terrorism at the hands of mentally ill

00:41:10.960 people. And we were not medical community and the medical community that facilitates them that enables

00:41:16.460 them without so much as a, as a real inquiry into what their actual issues are. It could be autism.

00:41:24.060 It could be teenage stress. It could be puberty. It could be so many things other than gender

00:41:31.960 dysphoria. And if you look at the odds historically, well, you know, we have a lot of years of history

00:41:36.260 to look back on this. It isn't gender dysphoria. That's that has never been this big a thing.

00:41:42.000 We're making it a thing. And the fact Brit that this was a female shooter should be an inflection

00:41:49.260 point. You know, the fact that girls do not, women do not go in and shoot up schools.

00:41:55.600 That is not a thing in America. Yes. If you look back at the whole history, you'll find like

00:41:59.620 on one hand, then a number of examples.

00:42:02.180 We don't know what a woman is though, Megan. Remember, we don't know what a woman is.

00:42:05.660 Right. So the fact that this actually is a biological woman who committed,

00:42:10.360 this should be an inflection point for us to say how, what, what was communicated to her,

00:42:15.220 what happened in her life that made her such an extreme outlier and to ignore the trans thing.

00:42:23.200 And, you know, the now we find out she may have had another serious issue. I don't know where she

00:42:29.020 was on the autism spectrum. That does not make people turn violent at all. Um, but we have seen

00:42:34.600 a spate of trans violence. Um, why, why wouldn't we ask? I refuse to stay silent on these questions

00:42:42.260 just because somebody is going to get offended. And I know you feel the same, Brit.

00:42:45.800 We are so past the point of someone's going to get offended. Like we're at the point now where

00:42:49.840 you have nine-year-olds being gunned down. Like we are past the point of being offended. You want

00:42:53.700 to put a label on me, put a label on me. I don't care anymore. I don't care. I don't care. I pulled

00:42:59.740 up while you, um, we're talking about that, Megan, that the largest study to date back in 2020,

00:43:04.600 uh, there was a sampling population. And I remember when this came out, um, it was about

00:43:09.080 515,000 people was the data set. And they found that, um, these researchers were looking into

00:43:15.760 those who were quote unquote, I'm using their terms, cisgender male, cisgender female and gender

00:43:21.580 diverse. And in this data set, they found that in all, all of the populations that they looked at,

00:43:28.700 the autism diagnosis is most common among gender diverse individuals than among their cisgender

00:43:36.640 peers. And it's a whopping, like you look at the bar graph and it's just off the charts for the

00:43:42.100 quote unquote, gender diverse community versus the cis communities that are represented as a male

00:43:47.940 and female. So you have now reports coming out that this, this individual who, like you said,

00:43:54.800 we're not going to even validate her name, but this individual, it's now saying we have reports

00:43:59.740 coming out that she was autistic and that then she started using pronouns, which somehow magically

00:44:05.080 now infer a gender on you. And then that person, if she was in therapy was most likely given

00:44:12.360 testosterone. What does that do? It aggravates the whole problem. But if you're autistic and that's

00:44:20.560 not what's being focused on, and it's instead, it's let's load you up with testosterone. And then

00:44:25.520 as a female, let's give you social media that's going to tell you that you aren't enough, that you

00:44:31.600 are oppressed, that you don't fit in. So you're going to seek out communities that affirm your mental

00:44:37.440 illness so that you find a sense of belonging. That is, you're going to find the rage in those

00:44:42.360 communities. You'll find it anywhere you look. But if you're drawn to that, if you're on the

00:44:45.660 testosterone, if you're autistic, if you have a mental problem and they're loading you up with

00:44:50.860 pumping you full of hormones, it's a crisis that is reaching the fever pitch that we have created in

00:44:59.020 America. Ever since Dr. John Money in America said, your gender and your sex are two separate things.

00:45:06.400 Let's experiment with that and see how it turns out. Think about that. You're raising such a good

00:45:11.580 point because it's like, it's bad enough when we're pumping children. I don't know when this

00:45:14.780 person started to transition, but it sounds like might've been teens because a high school classmate

00:45:20.460 is saying when, when she declared herself trans, none of us was surprised. So that would, let's say

00:45:27.400 10 years ago. I don't know. We'll find out more facts, but it's bad enough when we start transitioning

00:45:31.440 children. Now, Carrie, what, what Britt's saying is, and, and, and what these studies are saying is

00:45:37.680 we're taking non-trans autistic children and pumping them full of medicine, cross-gender hormones,

00:45:47.380 um, surgeries. I've said it before. Again, I don't mean to just be vulgar, but when you take a bunch of

00:45:54.060 testosterone as a, as a woman, um, like at these levels, we're trying to transition your, your clitoris

00:46:00.580 will grow into a very small deformed penis. Nothing anybody would ever want to look at now.

00:46:07.540 What is that going to do to an autistic child? Who's not actually gender dysphoric, but, but actually

00:46:12.380 just has autism issues that, you know, millions of kids have dealt with and gone on to leave perfectly

00:46:18.060 lovely lives without this sort of weird intervention. Yeah. And we've given these people a microphone and

00:46:25.500 told them that they need to be protected. You saw the Lieutenant governor of Minnesota wearing the

00:46:30.480 protect trans kids shirt. Is she wearing that today? Is she wearing that today? I doubt it.

00:46:37.600 Where is the protection for Christian kids going to school and being gunned down by these mentally

00:46:43.820 ill people whose society is affirming this it's wrong. And we as a nation have to address this.

00:46:49.800 Going to raise a very good point earlier. Uh, Curtis Hoke, I think he's with the daily caller

00:46:56.180 tweeted out. If this were an attack on an Islamic school by a MAGA supporter, not a trans person

00:47:02.040 on a Christian school, the left would never let this go. And they, they wouldn't simply blame guns

00:47:07.540 either. Right. I mean, this does have the feel of a hate crime and we need to know a lot more

00:47:12.900 about this person and the family. Uh, Carrie and Brit stay with us a quick break and then back to the

00:47:18.820 ladies. Can I just spend a minute on the president of the United States reaction when this broke?

00:47:28.440 So news had broken that we had this shooting at this Nashville school, that three children were dead,

00:47:34.460 three adults as well. The president knew this. Okay. I want you to keep that in mind. The audience

00:47:40.820 too, when we watch this, he knew that he was coming down to address the cameras on that subject.

00:47:47.700 And this is what he started with. My name is Joe Biden.

00:47:54.500 I'm Dr. Joe Biden's husband.

00:47:58.440 And I ate you these ice cream, chocolate chip.

00:48:02.000 I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream.

00:48:05.580 By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. I think I'm kidding.

00:48:09.560 Where is your humanity? How disgusting. Right. This is what 35% approval rating looks like.

00:48:21.240 That infuriates me. How, how there's a chance the parents are watching that there's, there's a chance

00:48:28.180 the parents have the TV on because the president of the United States is going to address the murder

00:48:33.000 of their nine-year-old. And that's how you fucking start. I'm sorry, but it's, I know that's how you

00:48:39.180 start.

00:48:39.480 The first thing I thought is those little, those little nine-year-olds, like my little nine-year-old,

00:48:43.660 she loves ice cream treats, you know, like after school, like that's where my, my head went first

00:48:49.840 is like, you're going to talk about ice cream and nine-year-olds were just gunned down. And those

00:48:53.340 nine-year-olds, they will never have like, you know, that special mommy, daughter ice cream,

00:48:58.100 Sunday date. And you're going to freaking come downstairs. And that's how you're going to lead

00:49:01.960 off. Like what an absolute embarrassment and disgrace. And it reminds me of the time he,

00:49:07.020 remember when he was checking his watch? Yes. It reminded me of that. Just no humanity.

00:49:13.480 No humanity at all. And, and I mean, this guy that is the president of the United States,

00:49:18.560 he is unwell too. You guys, we are, we, this is a mental illness crisis that we're facing,

00:49:23.620 the leader of the free world cannot even come down in a, in a tragedy, like what happened yesterday

00:49:30.680 and composed himself. He's talking about ice cream cones. You're right. He seemed like the

00:49:35.560 doddering old fool. He's the, he's mentally unwell. Why are we not talking about this? Why are we not

00:49:43.820 demanding his mental competence be tested? The leader of the world unwell. There's something really

00:49:50.880 off about the, like, it's really off. It was, it's one thing if he didn't know, but he knew,

00:49:56.600 and he went on from there to address these murders. So it's, it's almost incomprehensible

00:50:02.180 in how insensitive it is. And it does sort of, you're right, lead you back to what about his

00:50:07.500 competence and his wellness? Meanwhile, president unity, because remember, that's what he called for

00:50:12.900 when he got elected. That's what he called for right after the midterms. He was feeling really good.

00:50:16.580 Like his, his party got reelected, uh, in the Senate, they lost the house, but by a lesser margin

00:50:21.460 than they thought president unity was going to bring us together. Dark Brandon was gone,

00:50:25.020 sends his press secretary out there yesterday with the following message to immediately blaming

00:50:30.800 the GOP for the shooting. Stop three. How many more children have, have to be murdered

00:50:38.480 before Republicans in Congress will step up and act to pass the assault weapons ban.

00:50:45.680 To close loopholes in our background, in our, in our background check system or to require the safe

00:50:53.180 storage of guns. We need to do something before another child is senselessly killed in a preventable

00:51:01.300 act of gun violence. How is it preventable? How, how exactly? Even their assault weapons ban doesn't,

00:51:08.940 doesn't ban a semi-automatic handgun. That that's, that could easily have killed six people in 15 minutes,

00:51:15.540 easily. You don't need an AR 15 to do that. I mean, like these are lies and they prevent us from

00:51:20.240 focusing on the real issues. It reminds me of what happened yesterday, Tennessee representative

00:51:24.260 Andy Ogles. My God, did you see what they did to him? This is the Congressman for this district.

00:51:28.860 He's a Republican. Uh, it's the fifth congressional district. And look, it's not a mystery that a lot

00:51:35.200 of people in America love their guns. A lot of people love hunting. They love a lot of stuff that

00:51:40.260 maybe you couldn't understand if you lived in a very deep blue community. Um, it doesn't make

00:51:45.340 them evil. I would never go out and hunt. I'm not a hunter, but like my husband grew up in suburban

00:51:51.740 Philadelphia. And I was telling my team yesterday, they have a lot of guns in their house and they

00:51:56.080 have a lot of dead stuff, birds in their house. And like, my kids are like, what, how did it die?

00:52:00.380 I'm like, I'm a grass daddy, right? Like it's not the way I grew up, but there's nothing wrong with it.

00:52:05.720 This is America. And this guy did something I wouldn't do, but whatever. It's the culture of

00:52:11.500 his community and his family and his Christmas card had he, his wife, and at least one or two of

00:52:18.760 the children carrying guns, rifles. Um, okay, fine. It's not my thing, but he did it. Um,

00:52:27.800 they went there. So I'll give you, here's one of the worst Nancy Sinatra, who fancies herself a

00:52:35.200 political pundit. Now this man may as well have pulled the trigger and murdered the precious

00:52:40.520 little children himself. I wonder if seeing their dead little bodies gives him pleasure

00:52:45.000 deliver us from idiots like Andy Ogles, but it wasn't just Nancy Sinatra. The Washington post

00:52:51.440 tweeted out GOP Congressman from Nashville district, quote, heartbroken by shooting period. A 2021 photo

00:52:58.840 shows his family with firearms. What, what later had to delete that too. Um, we could go on now.

00:53:05.840 They're all saying he's pretend the left is saying he's pretending he's heartbroken because he's a pro

00:53:10.260 gun guy. Well, I hate to break it to him, but the America was built on gun ownership. That's a

00:53:17.260 secured right in our constitution. And what I go back to with anyone who wants to tell me that guns are

00:53:23.540 evil, you know, guns are wicked guns are a neutral object. I am a highly trained gun owner. And I can

00:53:32.800 tell you that guns can do great good and guns can do great evil depending on the hands that hold them.

00:53:40.540 And it shows you that the media has lost its credibility when they don't know where to take

00:53:48.520 a topic like this. And so they say, low hanging fruit guns, let's make guns evil and wicked.

00:53:55.120 And then let's just focus on that. Like how stupid are they? How stupid to miss the whole plot line

00:54:02.200 in all of this? I think it just shows that they have credibility.

00:54:05.900 And on top of that, Carrie, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

00:54:09.420 I was going to say just what Brit and I are dedicated to doing is we're so tired of this low

00:54:13.380 hanging fruit, Megan. You know, we see it every day, the entertainment, the clicks, the reposts of this,

00:54:18.520 we want to go in and uproot that damn tree. We want to uproot it. We want to say what caused this.

00:54:26.840 And that's what we're dedicated to doing, because in order to move forward and have a better future

00:54:31.860 for our kids, a fruitful future, we need to uproot that damn tree. And that's what we're dedicated to

00:54:38.380 doing. Well, this then you're not going to like these tweets because the media doing its thing on

00:54:42.920 this story yesterday continued. They were outraged about the gun photo that the man tweeted out

00:54:49.400 at Christmas, somehow tying that to this. And they were not happy about the misgendering

00:54:57.120 of the shooter of the shooter. OK, this is USA Today tweets out the following police on Monday

00:55:05.880 afternoon said the shooter was a transgender man. Officials had initially misidentified the gender

00:55:10.780 of the shooter. OK, that's important. As Red Steez tweeted out, he's been on the show before.

00:55:16.340 You must respect the pronouns of the domestic terrorist and child murderer. New York Times

00:55:19.920 tweet at 817 p.m. There was confusion later Monday about the gender identity of the assailant

00:55:25.040 in the Nashville shooting. Officials had used she and her to refer to the person and so on.

00:55:30.920 Then we get this from CBS News this morning. Police have identified the suspect as a 28 year old

00:55:36.100 named X who they shot and killed at the scene. CBS News is still working to confirm X's gender

00:55:42.900 identity. OK, shut up. Stop correcting everybody on the pronouns and the gender identity. I mean,

00:55:48.520 give me a break. Well, let's not forget to USA Today just honored a man as woman of the year.

00:55:54.600 So obviously they don't even know the difference between men and women. First of all, yeah,

00:55:58.240 they're totally discredited. USA Today is disgusting. ESPN, too.

00:56:03.120 How are those? I just want to know how those go through the editorial process to even be

00:56:10.220 legitimate headlines. Like who said that's a good headline? Let's let's actually focus on that.

00:56:16.280 Yep. Let's like three kids were just gunned down. I do. Adults were just let's make a headline out

00:56:21.980 of misgendering the shooter. Are you right when every normal person is having, I think, the reaction

00:56:28.620 close to what I said at the top of the show, which is I hope this shooter is burning.

00:56:31.920 I don't give a damn if it if it would upset the shooter, if the shooter had lived, I'd be happy

00:56:37.440 to misgender the shooter all day long. I couldn't care less about the shooter's feelings. I realize

00:56:43.160 the shooter is now dead, but I'm just saying. And but it's ideologues, Brit. And that, you know,

00:56:47.140 NPR had to take down a tweet three days ago where they were questioning. They were ripping on.

00:56:52.980 Hold on. I want to find it so I don't misstate it.

00:56:54.940 Um, OK, here's the headline from National Review. NPR issued an official correction

00:57:00.940 following a story published Friday, which argued, quote, there is limited scientific research

00:57:06.420 supporting the idea that males have a physical advantage over females in competitive sports.

00:57:11.380 David Marcus, I love his writings and his tweets. He he wrote out, you know what, there might actually

00:57:16.140 be limited scientific research supporting the idea that males have a physical advantage over females

00:57:21.300 in sports because it's as obvious as the nose on your face. Like, why would we need to research

00:57:27.200 that? Anybody with eyes can tell there's an obvious advantage. But by the way, there have been lots of

00:57:32.540 studies showing that testosterone reducers or not, they have an advantage. They were ticked off over at

00:57:39.760 NPR about the fact that one world sports body, the one that oversees track and field, said we're not

00:57:46.720 going to let trans women race against biological women. And they were pissed off and they showed

00:57:52.000 it in their tweet. And ultimately, the backlash was so severe based on science, trademark, they had

00:57:57.840 to take it down. What a clown world. That's all I can say. What a clown freaking world we're living in,

00:58:05.820 Megan. I know. Well, you there's the sports thing. You know, you mentioned USA Today. The sports thing

00:58:10.660 over at ESPN was equally outrageous where they recognized Leah Thomas as as one of their, you know,

00:58:15.760 their top women of the year. I can't remember how they labeled it in connection with Women's History

00:58:20.140 Month, Women's History Month. So we featured Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas is not a woman. Leah Thomas is

00:58:26.360 a man who was Will Thomas like two minutes ago, failing to win any competitive swim races, then

00:58:33.420 crossed over. And now, again, thanks to the Daily Wire reporting, we know that Leah Thomas has been

00:58:37.340 all over the Internet liking tweets about something called autogynephilia, where a guy gets off

00:58:42.700 having people see him dressed like a woman. And so Leah Thomas, who don't know, we don't know,

00:58:48.040 may have been there in the UPenn locker room getting turned on by the fact that Leah Thomas

00:58:53.300 was in a women's swimsuit crushing the biological women and having them have to look at Leah in a

00:59:00.260 woman's swimsuit with Leah's penis very well intact. I mean, this and let's say I'm so glad you

00:59:07.180 brought that up, Megan, because those are the roots that we need to be digging up from the ground,

00:59:11.340 you know, addressing this for what it is. But I think it's-

00:59:15.240 Can you guys hear me okay? Or am I-

00:59:16.180 We can hear you. Let's not forget what they did to the girls who complained when Leah Thomas,

00:59:26.340 which let's just call him Will Thomas, but when he was in there with his penis exposed,

00:59:31.060 disrobing, and the girls said that they felt uncomfortable, the girls were told that they

00:59:35.180 needed to go seek help to understand the LGQB, et cetera, community.

00:59:41.760 That's right. The, um, yeah, it was their, let's say they honored, ESPN honored Leah.

00:59:48.500 I think it was in their women's history month. Okay. Um, yes, they told them that they had to go get

00:59:53.900 therapy. And now Riley Gaines, who was the person who came in third and tied with Leah Thomas in one

00:59:59.620 of those races in the swimmer competition. Riley just tweeted out, uh, at my team will get me the

01:00:06.880 campus. I tweeted it out this morning. Riley's gone to speak at a university to talk about women's

01:00:11.220 rights. And there's a huge protest of Riley Gaines. She, the biological woman who came in third and

01:00:18.680 they wouldn't give her the trophy. Leah Thomas, what was it? You pen? Oh, that's where Leah's you

01:00:23.680 pit. Okay. You pit. Um, so, so they praise Leah. Leah Thomas gets magazine covers, lengthy features

01:00:30.880 on ABC, what ESPN honored a women's history month. Riley Gaines, an actual woman who had the temerity

01:00:37.100 to stand up and say, what you're doing is wrong. Why didn't I get the trophy? We tied exactly tied.

01:00:41.880 And you gave it to the biological man because you wanted him to have the photo op. She's getting

01:00:46.740 protested. This happens to you too. You've been getting protested for standing up for women.

01:00:52.840 We've gaslit it. Our country has gaslit it to say that Riley Gaines for saying that she is a woman

01:00:58.960 and that, that, that is a fact that she is a woman and he is a male. She's an oppressor because she's

01:01:04.840 using the wrong words. So our country has gaslit all of this that started with Kinsey back in the

01:01:11.360 forties, then led into money. And then it seeped into psychics. Psychics puts it all into our

01:01:16.420 curriculum. The kids are brainwashed into it. We don't have institutionalized healthcare anymore

01:01:21.540 for kids who have mental issues. Now the schools are the institutions and it's being bred into their

01:01:27.040 curriculum. And you end up with the situation we have here where you have two classes, oppressed

01:01:32.060 and oppressor. And we gaslight, gaslight, gaslight the victims, which leads into what we saw yesterday.

01:01:38.360 It is all by design. And we have to start talking about that. That is the focus. That is the focus

01:01:44.420 and all of this madness. If we miss that, this keeps going and it's going to get worse because

01:01:48.700 we're doing this to all the generations behind us. And we have to stop it. Now we have to readdress

01:01:53.880 where we are as a country and say, it's not working. It's broken and we have to fix it.

01:01:59.500 Yeah. We're, we're telling lies and those lies have consequences and the failure to push beyond

01:02:03.700 them and figure out what's really going on is detrimental to, to these people, to us,

01:02:08.880 to six-year-olds. Well, like all of it, I understand the connection. I have to say this

01:02:14.000 one was particularly galling. I'm, you're the perfect people to ask about it. So we've talked

01:02:18.940 about this before. It's not the first time it's happened, but yet another trans woman.

01:02:23.100 I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but I got to say just a good mnemonic is if you sub in the word

01:02:28.980 fake for trans, it helps you figure out who's what. When you say trans woman, it takes like a minute

01:02:35.580 to stop and say, what does that mean? What is a trans woman? But I mean, just as a mnemonic,

01:02:39.960 sorry, but it does help me. Like if you sub in the word fake, it kind of keeps you track of who's who,

01:02:45.340 uh, go ahead and at me if you don't like it. Um, so a trans woman has won yet another beauty contest.

01:02:53.300 Now it's not like we care. This is going to break down America, you know, at its fabric, but it's,

01:02:57.240 it's a piece of the story and it's, you won't be surprised to hear Miss San Francisco as part of

01:03:03.300 this is the Miss America pageant. So here's the part that really got my attention. So this person,

01:03:09.900 this biological man takes another woman's spot in the, in the Miss America pageant by winning

01:03:15.520 Miss San Francisco. And the interviewer has the nerve to ask this person about women's rights

01:03:26.640 and how this person is really going to stand up for women and where they like where womenhood

01:03:31.360 goes from here. Would you watch this? We're at this time when women have gained so many

01:03:37.360 privileges and yet it seems like at the same time, a number of privileges are being taken away.

01:03:42.200 Um, what is your hope for the future and are there any changes you'd like to see?

01:03:46.200 You know, I, I'd say I would love to see more parody, more gender parody in, in the workforce,

01:03:52.920 particularly in law. Um, my career ambition is to be a deputy district attorney and hopefully run

01:03:58.120 to be a judge in the same courthouse my dad cleans as a janitor. And as someone who hopes to join the

01:04:03.320 bar and eventually the bench, um, that is something that I would love to see more of more women in,

01:04:08.280 in, in white collar professions.

01:04:10.460 I can't, I literally can't, I can't advise. This is so insane. Oh, he's so oppressed. His dad was a

01:04:20.480 janitor, poor little victim. Like, I'm so sick of this. Can you believe the solution, Carrie,

01:04:28.720 his solution to the fact that he wants to see more women in law is him himself. Like, wait,

01:04:36.300 that's not a woman. Sorry, but that's not the answer to the problem you claim exists.

01:04:41.860 No, it's what we keep saying. All the patriarchy had to do to get women to bow

01:04:45.780 was put on a dress and high heels. Yes.

01:04:49.000 Did you see the interviewer make Megan the interviewer kept going? Oh, you're so gorgeous.

01:04:53.840 You're so gorgeous. You're so beautiful. You're just so beautiful.

01:04:56.620 I was like another Drew Barrymore.

01:04:59.320 It's another Drew Barrymore. Right. I was like, get off your knees. Stop it. Stop it right now.

01:05:04.280 It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. How embarrassing that it's a, it's a woman and

01:05:08.300 you know, an actual woman. That's just, um, I saw that interview last night and Carrie and I were

01:05:12.820 just like, just, Oh, cringing, you know, just cringing.

01:05:15.740 Didn't you think she was going a different way? I thought she, I thought she actually might be asking

01:05:19.560 like a Carrie and Brit type of question. Like how do you respond to women who say you've taken their

01:05:24.540 spot? Right. Yeah. But it was a totally different place. And now they're talking about how to solve

01:05:28.960 actual women's problems. And this person who I think has a penis says me, I'm the answer.

01:05:35.480 Oh, it's so embarrassing. It's, it's, it's so embarrassing.

01:05:39.160 Literally wanted to like throw my phone across the room and be like, F all of you. Like I am so

01:05:46.320 pissed right now. I'm sorry. I know. I'm sorry too. I like that. I'm sure this person is a,

01:05:51.620 is a kind person. All right. And I, I wish this person no way. Well, but the reality is that person

01:05:55.860 took the slot of an actual woman to whom that pageant title might've actually meant something

01:06:00.320 could have meant scholarships potentially and other good things in her life. And when this person

01:06:05.380 becomes a lawyer and eventually practices law and takes the bench, if that's the goal,

01:06:09.720 it will not be in advance of women's rights. It could be in advance of a trans person's right,

01:06:15.160 but not of women's. I mean, like the whole thing is so crazy.

01:06:18.900 Patriarchy and address. You want to use feminist language, it's patriarchy and address.

01:06:22.680 That's how they come back and dominate. And we're applauding it.

01:06:25.340 Yeah. I think we have to stop like using their words, like transition, a transition isn't even

01:06:30.840 a real thing. You can't transition your gender. You just can't. And like, we have to stop lying.

01:06:35.600 That's the problem is we're affirming these lies. And that's where we want to uproot it and say,

01:06:39.880 stop doing this. Stop. Right. Like it's stop. If I meet somebody who is trans or whatever,

01:06:48.560 um, I will be respectful to that person. I will be kind to that person. I will not,

01:06:52.440 you know, whatever they can dress however they want, but I do not accept that they have transitioned

01:06:57.060 into my gender. They've not become a woman. Like I don't really feel the need to participate in that

01:07:03.300 fiction to be respectful of them. Right. Megan, this is what I, this is an example I just want to put on

01:07:10.060 the table. If suddenly we lived in Truman show America, where we said that fish are horses and you

01:07:16.920 better believe it because some fish they identify as horses and all they have to do is we still want

01:07:22.500 a couple of legs and they're a horse. We would be out of our minds to affirm that and say, yeah,

01:07:27.640 you know, let's just be kind. And let's say that fish can be horses. It's a no, it's a no,

01:07:33.900 it's a no, hard, no, hard, no, no, but that's, it's the same damn thing is men can not be women.

01:07:44.580 They are biologically different beings all the way down to their, their bones. We're different

01:07:51.800 and whatever you want to cut off, however you want to dress, whatever fake eyelashes you want to put,

01:07:58.640 do it. But I will never affirm that a man is a woman, just like I would never affirm that a fish

01:08:05.460 is a horse. Yeah. Amen. No, that's a no. So speaking of it's a no, may I please forgive me,

01:08:12.140 but I must show you the latest Dylan Mulvaney video. I don't know if you've seen it.

01:08:15.600 Oh no. I'm sorry, but we went from acting like Eloise in a little girl's outfit to this is the,

01:08:23.360 I'm just, you just watch it. It requires no setup. Oh no. Let dolls be dolls, please.

01:08:31.360 Let dolls be dolls, please. Thank you. Oh my gosh. What, what was he saying?

01:08:40.180 Let dolls, no, no, no. He's got two big braids on the side of his head and like a dress,

01:08:50.780 like a patchwork, sweet little doll dress. I mean, it's like we laugh, but like,

01:08:54.620 this is where it's going. Like, I don't know if you heard the story about the 65 year old that went

01:08:58.100 into the daycare and was like demanding that they like, um, look at him as a baby. Like this is where

01:09:03.820 Dylan might actually think he's a doll. So does that make him not human? Does that make him not have to

01:09:10.160 abide by laws because he's not a human being? Like this is so scary.

01:09:14.940 No, you're right. Because the whole furry thing and like, if nothing's real, you could take it

01:09:20.300 anywhere you want. Where do we go? Yeah. You're, you're a doll. You're a bit, you're Eloise. Fine.

01:09:24.580 You're no longer just like a, a woman or a girl. Now you're Eloise. Oh wait, now you've taken it to

01:09:28.840 doll. It could change week to week. You get your species. Um, thank God so far the law it's bad

01:09:34.440 enough. Um, but it already, all protects right now is gender identity and not like furry identity or

01:09:40.320 baby identity or any of the weird, but look at this person. Look at this person. I just have to be

01:09:44.960 me. We're affirming that he's getting fricking, he's making millions right now.

01:09:50.720 He's laughing to the bank while we affirm it. And Drew Barrymore is on her knees telling,

01:09:56.660 telling him that she is so thankful for him. And you know, he's, he's the idol of the cult is what he is,

01:10:02.780 but, but I have to, I've got to raise this before we go. Cause I, so this is okay. This has to be

01:10:08.360 celebrated or you're a bigot. Um, and you guys have been saying this is woman face, right? And

01:10:15.240 the left completely outraged about blackface as you know, but this celebrate, this is totally fine

01:10:21.940 and needs to be uplifted and celebrated and paid. And that leads me to, as our last subject today,

01:10:27.620 the CNN piece on digital blackface, uh, somebody named John Blake writes an article, whole article.

01:10:37.140 This is keep in mind the new CNN. That's going to be more moderate. Houston, we have a problem.

01:10:43.700 Um, digital blackface, digital blackface, he says is a practice where white people co-opt online

01:10:50.520 expressions of black imagery, slang, catchphrases, even catchphrases or culture to convey comic relief

01:10:57.500 or express emotions. Uh, critics say digital blackface is wrong because it is a modern day

01:11:02.860 repackaging of minstrel shows, a racist form of entertainment popular in the 19th century.

01:11:08.900 Put simply digital blackface is 21st century minstrelsy. And what they say digital blackfaces

01:11:17.900 is like when you go to the memes on your phone and you're like, show me excited. And there's one of

01:11:23.240 like a little black girl going like, yay, or like Beyonce doing like a, Oh no, you know,

01:11:28.780 like a powerful, if you girls or I were to tweet that out, we would be engaging in digital blackface.

01:11:36.160 Uh, it's appropriation and it's inappropriate. That's how lunatic like the media is today.

01:11:46.000 Dylan should be celebrated, but a little meme or a catchphrase that's used by the black community.

01:11:51.880 And you're a bigot. It's so insane. It's so insane. What else can we say? I mean, this,

01:11:59.840 this is absolutely insane, but I think, you know, the dangerous thing is that they actually

01:12:04.760 normalize that where it's, you know, now it's normal that if you do, what is it called? Digital

01:12:09.700 blackface, you know, you're a race. Well, how long until that's criminalized, you know? And now like,

01:12:15.100 it doesn't, Oh wait, a news anchor just got fired. Did you see this? A news anchor just got fired

01:12:20.500 yesterday for, for, for quoting Snoop Dogg. She said something like for, for shizzle madrizzle. I

01:12:25.660 don't know what she said. She said something that apparently is a Snoop Dogg quote or thing. And

01:12:30.740 the, I believe me, my team's going to check me. She got fired for this. Yes. She got fired.

01:12:36.740 This is outrageous, but Dylan Mulvaney can don a dress and be a doll and talk about his girlhood

01:12:45.560 and push tampons on America. And that's just fine. I mean, like as soon as I saw the digital

01:12:51.060 blackface thing, I was like, they're, they're obsessed with blackface real and digital, but

01:12:57.760 woman face is not a thing. And in fact, you absolutely have to lean into it and embrace it.

01:13:02.100 Or you're the bigot. All we can do is refuse to live by these double standards. Like I've said

01:13:07.800 the F word like 10 times this show. My mother's going to kill me, but like that's, that's really

01:13:10.980 the only proper response. Yeah, that is it. You hit the nail on the head. I would say refuse to live

01:13:18.960 by lies. Refuse it. That's how it refused to use the fake new language. Do you know that my, um,

01:13:25.660 my Instagram, uh, just, we had put up a post saying that transgenderism is a fake word.

01:13:31.880 It's a made up word that came from John money. And it's like we said, it's cycled all the way

01:13:36.620 through now, but it's a made up term. It's an invention from the 1950s. Uh, we posted that with

01:13:42.120 the history and it was taken down for hate speech and we contested it and it was taken down as hate

01:13:47.600 speech. Just this was this week. We refuse to live by lies. We are going to keep on demanding

01:13:53.720 that we only use truthful words with truthful meanings and that we call it like it is. And that

01:13:59.180 is the way home. If we're going to see this country say it's because we refuse to live by

01:14:04.000 lies and we refuse to be afraid of the labels that they're going to slap on us. I'm more concerned

01:14:09.000 about my nine-year-old being able to go to school and to be able to have a healthy childhood. Then I

01:14:14.240 am about the labels that they're going to put on their mama. I can handle that. What I cannot handle

01:14:18.800 is if I play by their rules, knowing that they're creating a dystopian future for my daughter,

01:14:24.700 I, the way home is refusing to live by lies and demanding answers that start at the root cause

01:14:30.820 and then getting loud about it. We have to get loud about it. I shouldn't have to pray over my

01:14:36.000 two children that they're going to not have to hide under their desks at school this morning. I prayed

01:14:41.920 over them and I prayed for a hedge of protection over their classmates. I shouldn't have to worry if

01:14:46.080 they're going to be gunned down by these mentally ill individuals that culture is promoting this.

01:14:52.240 We have to stop and we have to start telling it like it is. We're not going to live by lies. We're

01:14:57.620 going to live by truth and truth alone. Capital T, truth. I like that. The way home, the way home.

01:15:04.120 Britt, Carrie, so great to see you both. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Megan. We'll see you again

01:15:08.760 soon. Yeah, I look forward to it. When we come back, an exclusive interview with a college professor

01:15:14.180 who was railroaded right out of his job for two simple tweets, but man, he fought back. That story's

01:15:24.440 next. We've discussed on this show many times the prevalence of cancel culture in our society

01:15:31.900 and the effect that it can have on a person's life, on their livelihood, on their well-being.

01:15:37.020 Professor Charles Nagy has lived through his cancel culture nightmare and has found a way even within

01:15:44.320 the university system to fight back, even though this university gave him all it had in its effort

01:15:53.600 to destroy him. That's my opinion from having read up about the case. Charles, welcome to the show.

01:15:59.100 Thank you. Nice meeting you. Likewise. All right, so just give us a background on you. What have you

01:16:04.860 been teaching? Where and how long? So I've been a professor for 29 years, first at the University

01:16:10.820 of Texas campus, and then for the last 25 years here at the University of Central Florida. I teach

01:16:17.900 psychology. I teach a controversial course called cross-cultural psychology and sexual behavior as

01:16:25.220 well. Okay, so UCF, and that course is where you went wrong. Actually, it wasn't even the course. It was

01:16:32.480 on Twitter where, um, let's see, it was, forgive me, 2020, June of 2020. So the world was exploding

01:16:41.540 with race essentialism in the wake of George Floyd. Um, everything was going nuts. Everybody was

01:16:47.820 racializing everything. I will never forget. I was, you know, we're going into summer break and the head

01:16:52.880 of my daughter's school at the time just sent out a message to everybody in school saying, I'm a racist.

01:16:57.260 I've been a racist for a long time. Our school is racist. I I'm like, what'd you do? What'd you do?

01:17:02.940 Nothing? Absolutely nothing. She had no exam. She just like wanted to tell us all she was racist

01:17:06.900 because she's white. Okay. Bye. Um, so that's the frame that we were in at that time. And in that

01:17:13.300 context, you tweeted out, this is not in the classroom setting the following. All right. So I

01:17:17.000 will read the tweet. So the audience knows how this all began. One, if African-Americans as a group

01:17:22.340 had the same behavioral profile as Asian-Americans on average, performing the best academically,

01:17:28.100 having the highest income, committing the lowest crime, et cetera, would we still be proclaiming

01:17:32.900 systemic racism exists? That's number one. Number two, black privilege is real besides a firm action,

01:17:42.320 special scholarships, and other set asides being shielded from legitimate criticism is a privilege,

01:17:47.920 but as a group, they are missing out on much needed feedback. May I say bold tweets,

01:17:55.080 pretty much ever, but certainly from a university professor in June of 2020. So did you, did you know

01:18:01.920 that you were going to get blowback from those? Okay. So I mentioned my controversial course,

01:18:08.180 cross-cultural psychology, because I address all these issues in that course. We get into very thorny

01:18:13.440 issues. I'm a very data-driven professor. So everything I say is linked to data for the students,

01:18:19.560 for the students. So I'm not averse to going on Twitter and saying things that are in line that I say

01:18:25.500 in my controversial course, but I need to give you a 30-second background because my situation didn't

01:18:31.320 quite begin with the tweets. One month before the George Floyd death and my Twitter scandal,

01:18:38.560 the University of Central Florida hired a new president. And on day one, he declared his

01:18:43.880 primary mission for the university is to make it the national model for diversity, equity,

01:18:49.020 and inclusion. So I sent him a... I'm sorry? Primary, the primary mission. Okay.

01:18:55.340 That's right. Not, not, not to increase academic standards, not to make sure our students are getting

01:18:59.380 jobs when they graduate, but to make the university, the national model for diversity, equity,

01:19:04.320 and inclusion. So I'm a minority. I study minority issues. I wrote him a letter welcoming him to the

01:19:10.840 university, but, and I let him know that I support minority and I've been mentoring them for all my

01:19:16.660 adult career, but I'm, I'm familiar with diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's a very racist and divisive

01:19:24.060 ideology. And I told him, I hope we can meet sometime to discuss this further. This is one month before

01:19:29.680 George Floyd was killed and before my Twitter scandal. So he didn't, he ignored me, but I was

01:19:37.180 on his radar. And so when the social mob descended upon University of Central Florida and me demanding

01:19:43.660 I'd be fired, he was, came after me. He, he weaponized the office of equity to launch a

01:19:50.900 protectual investigation into my entire 20 plus year career with the university.

01:19:56.120 Wait, let me, let me, let me pause you there. Let me pause you there. This is, that's like the most

01:20:00.700 outrageous piece of this. So yes, you're a minority, as I understand it, uh, half Hispanic

01:20:04.580 and also gay. So normally this would, this would make you, you know, a card carrying member of the

01:20:09.860 DEI crowd and they would love you and they'd be super happy to have you on board. And, but we've seen

01:20:14.820 this before with people like Glenn Lowry, who is a black man in America, who's first at Harvard,

01:20:19.300 now at Brown, who pushes back on some of these ideas and he too gets all this blowback. So it,

01:20:24.260 it doesn't say if you're not woke, those credentials don't save you. So you send these

01:20:29.840 tweets out. Of course, it's almost like an evergreen situation where they're protesting

01:20:34.420 outside of your home and they're shouting at you and they're acting like, I mean, like you were there

01:20:40.520 when George Floyd was killed. I mean, like the really, the overreaction was severe, which is bad

01:20:45.860 enough, but students, we know how they are terrible in today's day and age, but then the

01:20:50.360 administration, the ones who are supposed to be the grownups, the adults in the room

01:20:54.540 launch an investigation. I mean, if you want to like talk about witch hunt, this was the

01:20:59.840 most witch hunty thing I've ever seen them do to a professor. Tell us what they did.

01:21:05.680 So the, the director of the office of equity, uh, queried me for two days, four and a half hours

01:21:13.980 each day asking me, did you say this comment in 2009? Did you say this comment 2005? And you went

01:21:22.320 on and on and on for four and a half hours for two days. I did my best to answer as honestly as I

01:21:27.980 could. I tried to, the complaints that they, they, they, they orchestrated this massive public solicitation

01:21:34.640 of complaints from disgruntled students. I taught over 30,000 students. Imagine that. It's a big

01:21:40.900 university. So they found a couple of hundred students who came forward with complaints saying

01:21:45.860 I said one thing or another in class that is viewed from the lens of critical race theory,

01:21:51.300 diversity, equity, inclusion, violates that ideology. So in the end, after seven months,

01:21:59.340 they put together a 243 page investigative report saying, here's all the reasons why they're

01:22:06.520 justified in firing me, a tenured professor. So to my utter surprise, they fired me. And as you may

01:22:13.820 know, but your audience doesn't, I had a union and they assigned me an attorney and it took a year and

01:22:20.840 a half for me to have a four day hearing. At which point at the end, the arbitrator ruled that there was

01:22:27.460 no just cause to have fired me and ordered UCF to rehire me with all my back pay and all my benefits.

01:22:33.960 And they refused to pay me for four months until they received a notification from my private

01:22:40.580 attorney, Samantha Harris, who's a free speech expert, that we plan to sue them in federal court.

01:22:45.940 And that's when all of a sudden they dropped all my back pay into my bank account. So as of right now,

01:22:51.220 we have filed the lawsuit and the process is in motion.

01:22:54.940 The what they they tried to embarrass you and it was absurd. They basically said anybody who has any

01:23:03.840 dirt on Professor Negi, please complain. I mean, I've seen your letter like it was actually you can

01:23:11.620 tell me who it was, but it looks like the head of the school and one of the deans were openly saying

01:23:15.960 we've got to get him. It's going to take a while. Like they were pretty, it was like on the nose.

01:23:19.720 They're not allowed to hire it, to fire you for your free speech on Twitter that you're a tenured

01:23:24.440 professor. They can't do it. So they're trying to find ways. So they're basically just open calling

01:23:29.100 who can help us get him.

01:23:32.520 It was. And you said, try to embarrass me. They humiliated me. They wanted to crush me,

01:23:39.660 make me homeless, which if I hadn't had some resources and some friendly people in the community,

01:23:44.680 I would have been because imagine for the first time in almost 30 years being without an income,

01:23:50.340 I had to sell my house below market level and try to find someone to rent some rooms to me and my

01:23:56.540 husband and my disabled brother who I care for. So they wanted to just annihilate me and hold me,

01:24:03.920 hold my head up as a trophy for all the social justice warriors, for all the DEI advocates that

01:24:10.180 this is what we did. And they probably wanted to send a message to other professors that if you

01:24:14.200 question this ideology, this is what will happen to you as well.

01:24:19.020 That's it. So that's, I think that's actually a huge piece of this, right? They need to appease

01:24:23.720 the mob, the mob being the DEI group within the student body. I'm sure not every student was

01:24:28.400 in on this, but the DEI crowd, they fancy themselves like modern day civil rights activists,

01:24:33.700 nothing of the kind. So they needed to appease the mob, but they also need to send a message because

01:24:38.900 you tell me, do you think the administrators who are doing this to you

01:24:41.740 believe in the cause? Are they ideologically aligned with these students on this or are

01:24:46.300 they just scared weaklings who just needed to do what they needed to do or else that would

01:24:51.260 be their head in a basket?

01:24:52.740 The president fully drinks Kool-Aid. He's the one wanting to make UCF the national model of DEI

01:24:59.780 and director of office of equity. She also is fully on board with this ideology. So, and of course,

01:25:07.500 the chief diversity officer as well, the provost, I'm not sure he wanted to be provost. So he'll

01:25:13.000 probably do anything or say anything just so he could have that position. But no, UCF, who happens

01:25:19.440 to be on Governor DeSantis' radar, they're fully trying to shove this ideology down all of our

01:25:27.540 throats. And they're doing everything they can to circumvent the efforts of Governor DeSantis

01:25:32.400 to put a stop to this ideology.

01:25:35.140 Because this is a state school.

01:25:37.520 Universities have no business promoting any ideology. Professors have free speech and so do

01:25:43.520 their students. But the university, the administrators who are spokespeople for the state institution,

01:25:48.560 they should not be promoting astrology, Christianity, Islam, or diversity, equity,

01:25:52.840 inclusion. But they think they can do this. And they're going to try to be the best to get away

01:25:56.760 with it.

01:25:57.900 So you finally get the back pay after you get the private lawyer, and you've won the arbitration,

01:26:02.620 but they're still not complying if they're not giving you your back pay.

01:26:05.420 No idea when they got the notification that they're being sued now in federal court.

01:26:10.360 Yeah, but they dragged their feet. Now that's what you've just done is you filed this federal lawsuit.

01:26:13.800 So why, if they had paid you the back pay, would you have filed the federal lawsuit?

01:26:19.600 Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. They've turned my life and my career upside down.

01:26:25.320 I'm not going to let them destroy me. I'm lucky to have a job at UCF, but I cannot get a job anywhere

01:26:31.000 else. And students, there are students who support me privately, but many students try to avoid me,

01:26:36.920 so it's hard to do my research, etc. So they've done damage beyond just my back pay, just losing my back

01:26:43.440 pay.

01:26:44.120 I mean, a guy like you, 29 years in the university system, also we mentioned you check a couple of

01:26:50.860 diversity boxes, which certainly are valuable in the college setting. I would imagine many

01:26:57.000 universities would want to hire you. So did you try to reach out? What happened there?

01:27:01.560 Yeah, when I was fired and unemployed, I applied to 20 places. Now, I've been an active researcher and

01:27:10.380 successful at publishing my research. So normally when I applied to places, also being a minority

01:27:15.720 helps, I would get invitations for interviews, but none of the 20 places I applied to, they just

01:27:21.700 ignored me.

01:27:23.320 Wow.

01:27:23.760 They know my case. And this climate that we're in right now, which is a very dangerous climate,

01:27:31.440 Megan, I worry about the future of the United States because this ideology has a grip on so

01:27:37.580 many of our important institutions beyond the university. So universities are kowtowing to this

01:27:43.860 ideology across the board.

01:27:45.900 Did you see what happened at Connecticut College? I mean, I'm in the state of Connecticut here,

01:27:50.540 but Connecticut College is going through its own upheaval along these lines where,

01:27:55.620 forgive me, I don't have the facts in front of me, but I think what happened was the president

01:27:59.000 of the university offered or suggested holding a fundraiser at the Everglades Club in Palm Beach,

01:28:06.780 Florida. That's where the rich people are. Where are you going to hold the fundraiser? Down by the

01:28:11.940 local sewage plant? You go where the rich people are. So this was the proposal and the person must have

01:28:18.500 had a connection with the Everglades Club. That person's now been forced out of her job.

01:28:22.860 She's been kicked right out of the university. The student body was so angry because they said

01:28:26.820 this club allegedly has some history of racism, maybe anti-Semitism. If you look back in the

01:28:32.240 history of most of America's clubs and go back far enough, you're going to find something that's

01:28:35.660 going to bother you. The woman lost her job. She stepped down. It's like one by one, you make one

01:28:43.260 false move. And the move in your case, what was false about it? This is your opinion saying,

01:28:48.120 is there a black privilege? Are we overstating the extent of oppression is essentially what you were

01:28:53.400 asking. Is any of this cultural? Should we spend some time focused on that? Again, back to Glenn

01:28:59.580 Lowry, he's been asking all these same questions, all these same questions, Charles, but he's black,

01:29:04.620 so he was not going to get fired. And he's 10 or two, and they'd just be enough to go after him. So

01:29:09.940 he's in a better position than you are. So in any event, what do you hope to gain through the

01:29:13.720 federal lawsuit? Yeah, go ahead.

01:29:15.340 Okay, well, let me just say quickly that people don't have to agree with my views. We can debate

01:29:20.580 my views, but the issue is we have freedom of speech. Thank God we have the constitution,

01:29:27.020 and it protects people like myself, professors at state institutions. So what do I hope to accomplish

01:29:31.860 from the lawsuit? Well, UCF, I'm assuming because they retaliated against my protected speech.

01:29:39.940 But they've also, you know, I suffer some anxiety disorder, had to go on medication,

01:29:45.900 suffer depression, and I've lost my house. I'm still living with someone who's sympathetic to

01:29:53.060 my situation in the community. And I'm not horrible. And my colleagues don't speak to me.

01:29:59.580 So I'm assuming for some damages, and the fact that they retaliated against my free speech.

01:30:06.140 Has no one stood by you? I want to send a message. I'm sorry,

01:30:09.860 Megan. I want to send a message to them. Don't ever mess with professors' free speech. And you

01:30:15.420 cannot treat professors this way just because they don't bow down to your cherished ideology.

01:30:21.400 That's my bigger goals.

01:30:24.040 Has no one there stood by you? None of your friends before this happened?

01:30:27.400 So there's 40 plus full-time professors in the Department of Psychology. It's the largest major

01:30:33.360 on campus. One person who was a friend of mine reached out to me initially, and she made it clear

01:30:41.200 in writing that she doesn't agree with my views. She wanted to make that clear, repeating it a few

01:30:46.280 times in case she gets in trouble. But she wanted to continue the friendship. But everyone else stopped

01:30:51.420 speaking to me. So I have to go to department meetings now. And I just sit there and people

01:30:56.780 ignore me. And that's fine, because I must be honest, I've lost respect for almost all of my

01:31:02.220 colleagues. They stood by and let this happen to a fellow tenured professor, and they knew what was

01:31:07.820 going on. Half of them drink the Kool-Aid of DEI, and they're probably happy that it happened.

01:31:12.820 The other half are terrified that this could happen to them as well. So they want to distance themselves

01:31:17.720 for me. I understand that, but it's unacceptable. We all have to, like your previous guests on your

01:31:22.960 previous segment, we all have to stand up for what we think is correct and true. And in this case,

01:31:29.480 free speech is what's correct, regardless whether you agree with the person or not.

01:31:34.200 What I don't want to get into the long list that they threw at you as the alleged reasons for

01:31:40.140 termination, since it's you won the arbitration, and this was thrown out as not valid. But I will say,

01:31:46.520 I feel like you were further defamed in the whole process, because they really tried to make a villain

01:31:51.560 out of you. Like, I mean, there's a couple of whatever, some very stupid things. But

01:31:56.980 the way they listed is, he denied. One of the reasons why you're being terminated is,

01:32:02.580 you denied ever using the term, the F term for gays in class. You denied having done this. You denied

01:32:12.000 having done that. They basically got a bunch of charges from their, their reach out to the entire

01:32:17.080 student and faculty body, and then listed them. And then if you denied them, it was a basis for

01:32:22.440 your termination. It's absurd regarding the F word for gay people, which I never use, even in my

01:32:28.660 personal life. And you are a gay person. That's right. But I never use it. I never use it in my

01:32:32.320 personal life or in class. However, I had sent an email out to all the students telling them about a

01:32:38.240 story about the black Hebrew, Israeli Hebrews or Hebrew Israelites, I think they're called, excuse me,

01:32:44.240 who kind of verbally assaulted the Covington high school kids. But I'm saying that right?

01:32:50.600 Yeah. Yeah. Covington.

01:32:51.580 So I was telling, I was telling my students, they called them the F word. I use the word F word

01:32:56.240 in that message. And yet no one said anything to them, because I presume because they're black.

01:33:01.200 So I had forgotten that I had sent that message to my students. But if the director of equity would

01:33:07.880 have said to me, well, well, Negi, we have on recording here or in a written email, you use

01:33:13.720 the F word. I would have explained to her, I didn't use it. I mean, I wasn't using it. I was saying

01:33:20.120 someone else used it.

01:33:21.260 I was bringing a new story.

01:33:23.400 That's all they wanted to satisfy their narrative.

01:33:27.380 Well, I mean, you know, the old, where do you go to get your reputation back? There really is an

01:33:32.240 answer to that. And it's court. You go to court because the one thing these universities do

01:33:37.360 understand is money. So does your lawyer say you might potentially be entitled to, in addition to

01:33:42.200 actual damages, potentially punitive damages?

01:33:45.980 Yes, we will be pursuing punitive damages.

01:33:48.680 That's good.

01:33:49.160 I will say, I will say that Florida has severe caps on how much one can get for both damages against the

01:33:56.260 state and punitive damages, but I'm not in it for the money. I want to send a message to my

01:34:02.000 university and maybe other universities across the country that we exist to pursue knowledge.

01:34:09.460 You also have the advantage of a governor who's on your side. I mean, Governor DeSantis

01:34:12.900 isn't allowing a lot of this at any school funded by Floridians. And so now you have a newfound ally

01:34:19.700 there. Hopefully. Fingers crossed.

01:34:23.520 Yeah. Well, listen, Charles, thank you for fighting because I realize it's not just on your

01:34:28.320 own behalf. It's on behalf of, and not just the other professors, but all of us out there facing

01:34:32.760 cancel culture. You need, you need warriors like you. And we appreciate you coming on and telling

01:34:37.880 your story. Good luck. Keep us posted.

01:34:39.160 Thank you. Thank you very much. Bye-bye.

01:34:41.020 All right. All the best. And thank you to the audience for being with us today. It was an emotional

01:34:44.580 show, right? That's the, felt some anger, felt some sadness, felt some fire, feel some hope

01:34:50.500 listening to Charles and his legal fight. The fact that he won that arbitration, I bet you

01:34:54.020 he's going to win this federal case too. Thanks for spending the time with us. We will see you

01:34:58.880 again tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 28, 2023

America's Mental Health Crisis, and Speaking the Truth, with Carrie Prejean Boller, Britt Mayer, and Charles Negy ｜ Ep. 517

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