The Megyn Kelly Show - America's Vulnerabilities, Anti-Semitism Reality, and Trauma of War, with Glenn Beck, Dr. Drew, and Eli Lake

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live from Sirius XM today.

00:00:16.760 There is breaking news out of Israel right now, where it appears the beginnings of what could turn into a regional war are unfolding.

00:00:27.120 Hezbollah has reportedly opened up an attack on Israel's northern border.

00:00:31.420 This is the situation many had feared and predicted.

00:00:33.780 We brought to you the other day the former Israeli ambassador's prediction, Michael Oren, that this would lead to regional war.

00:00:41.340 That certainly as Israel started to consider a ground invasion into Gaza, Hezbollah might be tempted.

00:00:47.540 Other radicalized Palestinians and Arabs in the area might be provoked into getting involved.

00:00:55.860 And this is not what anyone wanted, but this is what Hamas's actions have led to.

00:01:02.180 The New York Times is reporting right now that Israeli security officials have issued multiple alerts saying, quote,

00:01:08.140 a hostile aircraft has entered the country and ordered citizens across the north of the country to reinforce shelters.

00:01:16.000 In other words, it appears that Hezbollah has entered via the air and that Israel is ordering its citizens in the north to enter the reinforced shelters.

00:01:24.920 The Israeli military called this a suspected infiltration from Lebanon.

00:01:30.560 We are monitoring this.

00:01:32.140 If this is true, the stakes have just gone way up in this conflict.

00:01:35.640 And we will bring you more as we get it.

00:01:37.400 This literally is just breaking moments before we got to air.

00:01:40.120 In the meantime, in recent days, it seems like a seismic shift has taken place as the world's eyes are opened, finally, to what many had already seen.

00:01:49.500 And that is the depths of anti-Semitism in our own country and around the world.

00:01:56.220 It is stunning.

00:01:57.960 You know, being left is one thing.

00:02:00.880 Being a committed leftist is one thing.

00:02:02.960 Being an open anti-Semite is quite another.

00:02:07.000 And the amount of anti-Semitism being displayed proudly is absolutely stunning.

00:02:14.460 It really is disgusting.

00:02:16.440 Never again, if you've ever been to a Holocaust memorial, if you've been to Auschwitz, if you've been to Dachau, you'll see that there.

00:02:22.620 Never again, never again in all the different languages.

00:02:25.940 This is a slogan associated with the lessons of the Holocaust.

00:02:28.240 And yet here we go again, the hatred of Jews, the massacre of Jews and for the state of Israel runs so deep that a sitting U.S. congresswoman cannot even condemn terrorists.

00:02:43.180 Forgive me for the casual reference here.

00:02:46.000 Chopping off the heads of babies when confronted by a reporter.

00:02:51.320 I mean, think about that.

00:02:53.480 Think about that.

00:02:54.420 I don't care what your policy is.

00:02:55.680 You say no comment when you get confronted in the halls of Congress by a reporter.

00:02:59.860 By the way, it was a Fox News reporter.

00:03:01.200 It's not some random.

00:03:03.140 You comment.

00:03:05.360 You comment on that.

00:03:06.680 It's not hard unless you have something in your heart that you don't want us to see.

00:03:13.140 We've long known about Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib's defense of the Palestinians.

00:03:18.280 She is the daughter of Palestinian immigrants.

00:03:20.360 That doesn't necessarily make you pro-murder of children, but in her case, it appears to.

00:03:26.820 She's also a mother.

00:03:28.360 She's a mother of two children, which makes this exchange with Fox News' Hillary Vaughn even more alarming.

00:03:34.160 Do you condone what Hamas has done?

00:03:39.620 Chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive, raping women in the street?

00:03:48.580 You have no comment about children's heads being chopped off?

00:03:51.860 This is the same woman who was crying a couple of years ago about children being separated from their parents at the southern border.

00:04:17.500 That was 2019.

00:04:18.940 She was in tears, crying.

00:04:20.700 Oh, she was so sad for the children.

00:04:23.000 But heads chopped off.

00:04:24.560 That's just fine.

00:04:25.200 Doesn't even fucking sorry warrant a comment.

00:04:27.360 Forgive me.

00:04:28.920 Given that exchange, it shouldn't be any surprise, I suppose, that in the Congresswoman's home district last night, some 1,200 people gathered for a rally in support of the Free Palestine Movement.

00:04:38.280 Some of us offer our prayers for the murder victims in Israel, and others gather like they did here to celebrate Palestine at this moment.

00:04:48.080 There, some did manage a word for the civilian lives that have been lost.

00:04:53.380 But one of the speakers, named Amir Zahair, offered this take.

00:04:58.320 When you go to a Black Lives Matter rally, you see Palestinian flags.

00:05:03.960 When you go to a white supremacy rally, you see Israeli flags.

00:05:07.580 This is not complicated.

00:05:09.680 Let's get to America's top colleges and universities.

00:05:12.480 What's happening there is absolutely horrific.

00:05:14.540 I cannot believe that this number of hateful, dumb students have infiltrated our top universities coast to coast.

00:05:24.920 The list of student groups now issuing support for the terror group Hamas continues to grow.

00:05:29.280 Okay, Columbia, Northwestern, Stanford, NYU, to name just a few.

00:05:34.880 At NYU, the president of the Student Bar Association, writing in a memo, quote,

00:05:40.100 quote, I will not condemn Palestinian resistance and, quote,

00:05:45.120 Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life.

00:05:50.060 Full responsibility for the murder of their own babies, for the elderly women shot at the bus stop,

00:05:56.640 for the 85-year-old who was murdered and then the Hamas terrorist posted it on her Facebook page so her family would see it.

00:06:04.700 And this student, who happens to go by they, them pronouns, because these people always want attention,

00:06:12.020 has now lost out, thank God, on a job offer at Winston & Strawn, a very respected law firm in Chicago.

00:06:18.380 And good for Winston & Strawn.

00:06:21.120 She was a summer associate last year.

00:06:23.500 She was obviously part of their diversity hire.

00:06:26.260 She was, check out her page.

00:06:27.920 I mean, she's a part of all the groups and wanting you to know it.

00:06:31.400 And they should have done a simple Google search because this woman becoming a problem would have been obvious to them

00:06:35.880 long before they offered her the summer associateship.

00:06:38.260 Thank God they pulled her permanent offer.

00:06:40.340 She was about to complete her third year at NYU and return there as an associate.

00:06:44.100 I don't think this woman could even pass the ethics piece of the bar.

00:06:46.920 There's an ethics piece of the bar that tries to prevent hateful people like this woman,

00:06:53.120 Reina Workman, from making it as a lawyer, from getting,

00:06:57.280 you can't stop the JD, but you can stop the admission to the bar.

00:07:00.220 And that's actually what should happen to her next.

00:07:02.840 Joining me now, Glenn Beck, host of the Blaze TV's The Glenn Beck Program.

00:07:07.100 Glenn, welcome back to the show.

00:07:08.820 I know it's not about the college students, but the hatefulness of this group of young people,

00:07:16.460 according to a report that posted on Mediite just yesterday, they were citing a poll,

00:07:21.180 only 32 percent of 18 to, I think it's 32-year-olds, believe that Hamas is targeted civilians.

00:07:27.940 Only 32 percent.

00:07:29.720 These young people are idiots, and they're all over our top institutions as, quote,

00:07:34.620 the next generation of leaders.

00:07:36.480 Let's just table that for one second, because the big news right now is Hezbollah

00:07:39.300 and whether a new front just opened in the north of Israel with an incursion from the north.

00:07:44.280 Your thoughts on it?

00:07:44.980 We are headed for not just a regional war, but I believe we're headed for a global war.

00:07:50.760 You can't have Hezbollah in the north, Hamas on the south, and what will be the IRGC coming in from the Syrian side.

00:07:58.520 It's going to overwhelm Israel, and I honestly, it will take a miracle to keep us out of World War III, I think.

00:08:09.400 However, miracles have happened with Israel over and over again.

00:08:13.740 So there's a few things I've been listening to your monologue, and I want to address.

00:08:18.760 First of all, this is, in some dark way, a blessing if we look at it this way.

00:08:28.320 This is the first time in human history that I know of somebody has said who they are and then proven it.

00:08:38.920 Hitler, when he said, I'm going to kill all the Jews, it was in print.

00:08:43.880 It was everywhere, but nobody wanted to believe him because it was too horrific.

00:08:46.820 He even tried to cover it with a final solution and then cover it at the end.

00:08:52.400 He didn't want to be known as that guy.

00:08:55.220 So we didn't know.

00:08:57.000 This time, we know.

00:08:58.720 They say it is not about a second state.

00:09:03.860 It is about killing the Jews, period.

00:09:07.820 We know what they say.

00:09:09.780 We know what they do.

00:09:11.300 They put it on social media.

00:09:13.360 They wanted the world to see it.

00:09:15.340 So this goes into not only who Hamas is, but who is Iran, who is Hezbollah, who is the RIGC, who is Black Lives Matter?

00:09:26.400 Who are the people that are in our own Congress, in our own schools that are endorsing this or turning a blind eye?

00:09:34.460 This is where the blessing comes in.

00:09:36.380 This, I think, is one of your last chances to actually get off of that death train and step on to a platform of truth.

00:09:47.460 If there is good and evil, I don't care what was done to, let's say, us in World War II.

00:09:59.420 If Americans would have been the ones that were tortured and killed the way they were in the death camps, I still wouldn't be for going in and shooting German families in their homes and killing their children.

00:10:12.180 That would make us evil.

00:10:14.900 So no matter what's happened to you, it never excuses you killing families and children knowingly.

00:10:23.320 It's not like dropping a bomb and all your guys happen to be hanging out by a school.

00:10:28.880 Yeah, that's unfortunate.

00:10:30.500 I don't like that.

00:10:31.800 Nobody wants that.

00:10:33.260 But that is war.

00:10:34.480 You went in intentionally to kill civilians, to rape women, and to kill babies.

00:10:42.520 That is as evil as it gets.

00:10:44.760 And that evil is the same evil that says, hey, shout your abortion.

00:10:49.620 It is the same evil that says whites are inferior and they need to be taught a lesson.

00:10:56.520 What happened with Hamas is exactly what will happen, and they are for it, as you saw out of Chicago, exactly what will happen if these radical groups like BLM are in charge or allowed to fester and grow.

00:11:12.680 They are a death cult.

00:11:14.860 This is all about a death cult.

00:11:16.840 It's interesting to me that if somebody 200 years ago did something like this, which we all now say is horrible, we have to pay for it.

00:11:28.660 But if somebody does something today to Jews, I guess it's okay.

00:11:34.620 So first thing to remember is this can be a blessing to us because we actually can see it.

00:11:42.340 We hear them.

00:11:43.800 We see them.

00:11:44.660 We can recognize evil.

00:11:46.720 Make sure you're on the right side.

00:11:48.460 The second thing that I think comes out of this is an understanding that at least a regional war, I believe this is going to turn into the global war, is coming.

00:12:02.000 So you not only have to know who your friends are, know what side you're on, but you also have to now look at the border.

00:12:09.140 Because we have what probably is in the thousands of enemies of America.

00:12:16.560 You can't tell me that they're not sleeper cells in Judea and Samaria, and you can't tell me that there's not sleeper cells here now in America.

00:12:25.140 When, if we get into a global war, the world and the world as we know it in America is going to change.

00:12:34.720 So the best thing that you can do is know what side you're on, there's no neutral here.

00:12:42.280 If you're neutral, you're going to end up on the wrong side.

00:12:45.020 You have to look this in the eye.

00:12:47.500 You have to decide who you are today.

00:12:50.000 Then you have to actively get involved by doing good and being a voice of reason, not of chaos, and stand for the things that, honestly, if you just are a political person, just dedicate yourself to doing everything you can to make the people like Rashid Tlaib.

00:13:10.880 Make sure they're not elected again.

00:13:14.060 Make sure that they, that you've done everything in your power to make sure that this philosophy is flushed down the toilet as it should have been a long time ago.

00:13:27.400 Make sure you're working for an election where things will change, because what you're seeing now is such an incompetent president.

00:13:35.440 He has screwed this country up so many different ways.

00:13:39.480 We're an unprepared military, gas prices, we go to war, gas prices will easily be $10 a gallon.

00:13:46.180 There'll be shortages of things because he has screwed us in the end.

00:13:52.100 But you look at this, we're a nation that is unprepared for war for the first time in my lifetime.

00:13:59.120 We are sitting back the way we were, maybe right before World War I.

00:14:05.840 That's not a good place to be.

00:14:07.600 A moment on the BLM thing, because it really is telling.

00:14:11.900 So BLM Chicago posts, they post a picture of a paraglider, which is, of course, in part how the Hamas terrorists got into Israel to kill the innocents,

00:14:23.120 with a Palestinian flag, or what purports to be, flying from the top, and it reads,

00:14:29.220 I stand with Palestine on the bottom.

00:14:31.460 And BLM tweets out, that is all, that is it.

00:14:36.140 This is the group, Miranda Devine was pointing this out yesterday online,

00:14:40.360 that companies like Disney, Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Target, Lululemon,

00:14:47.420 McDonald's, Wendy's, Coca-Cola, Peloton, etc., lavished money on in 2020.

00:14:53.320 This is the group that changed Fifth Avenue in New York to where we had to have a BLM moniker on it,

00:15:00.680 that changed the courts on the NBA.

00:15:03.340 This is the group that if you didn't post a little black square in solidarity with them on a certain day,

00:15:08.100 people started to accuse you of being a racist.

00:15:10.600 But there were many people who had questions about this group from the start,

00:15:14.680 because, as you point out, some people really do tell you who they are right from the get-go.

00:15:19.220 And their mission statement was very clear about what they wanted to do,

00:15:22.540 and dismantled the nuclear family, and completely changed America.

00:15:26.280 And here they are at it again.

00:15:28.200 I mean, openly, that is it.

00:15:30.040 That is it!

00:15:31.700 Exclamation.

00:15:32.320 They are loving what's happening right now, Glenn.

00:15:35.800 And many Jewish Americans supported this group back in 2020.

00:15:41.940 And now when they need support, it's a celebration of their murder.

00:15:47.200 So I would, again, use this as a way to wake people up.

00:15:52.340 If you were for BLM, you know, I'm sorry you didn't believe that it was for, you know,

00:15:59.260 maybe a month or so when they first started, on their own website,

00:16:03.160 the end of the nuclear family, the end of capitalism as we know it,

00:16:08.080 the end of the Western way of life.

00:16:10.740 This is what is happening with the Palestinians and Hamas to the Israelis.

00:16:16.200 That is what BLM's world looks like.

00:16:20.600 When they say they want an end to the nuclear family, I thought that was evil.

00:16:25.940 I just didn't realize that they meant any kind of end,

00:16:29.280 even shooting them in their sleep or beheading their babies.

00:16:34.080 This has got to be understood.

00:16:37.500 And, you know, Megan, I'd be interested in hearing your point of view on this,

00:16:41.440 because there's a big, there's an argument that's happening even inside of my own,

00:16:46.020 building here with my producers.

00:16:48.960 Tonight, I have Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin on, on my Wednesday night special.

00:16:54.460 And we're going to show the videos that everybody, including Israel, says don't show.

00:17:01.180 I think those videos are so important.

00:17:04.360 It is like having pictures of the gas chambers in 1940 and not showing them.

00:17:10.600 I think they need to be seen, because this is the evidence that shows you,

00:17:17.620 look, they said they will kill all Jews.

00:17:21.580 They've said that.

00:17:23.180 Now, here they are.

00:17:24.960 And there is no way to defend killing women and children execution style on social media.

00:17:32.080 Everybody says that shouldn't be seen, including Israel.

00:17:37.560 I disagree.

00:17:39.000 We have photos now of the death chamber.

00:17:43.060 Why wouldn't we show them?

00:17:44.640 Yeah, it's it's a tough call.

00:17:46.720 I mean, I I agree with in general with the showing of the videos right now.

00:17:50.720 We've chosen to carve like a middle lane on it and show some, but not all.

00:17:56.320 Just because I mean, to be perfectly honest, I just feel like there's only so much my heart can take in bringing the show.

00:18:02.040 You know, never mind my audience.

00:18:03.460 There's just only so much.

00:18:04.560 I don't know about you, Glenn, but like this has been weighing on me so heavily.

00:18:08.240 It's really changing my personality these past few days.

00:18:10.740 I you know, you got to be able to function in your own life.

00:18:13.260 You got to be able to get your kids off to school.

00:18:14.880 You got to be able to be a loving, kind mother.

00:18:17.020 And there's only so much I can take.

00:18:19.400 And that's me.

00:18:20.180 I don't mean to make me the story.

00:18:21.820 I'm just saying like me, all these thousands of miles away.

00:18:24.680 I can't imagine that we're going to talk.

00:18:27.260 Dr. Dr. Drew is going to be here a little while.

00:18:28.800 We're going to talk about like, how are they functioning?

00:18:30.840 The amount of terror that's being unleashed on these poor families, even the ones who survived.

00:18:34.820 How do you go about your day?

00:18:35.900 How do you ever live normally again?

00:18:38.060 So I support your decision.

00:18:40.440 And I think it's great to tell people in advance you're going to do it.

00:18:43.300 And that way they can make the choice for themselves, whether they want to see it, you know, or they don't want to see it.

00:18:48.580 But don't comment.

00:18:49.400 If you haven't seen it, if you haven't taken the time to at least see some of it, then don't comment because you don't understand.

00:18:55.500 But but more importantly, it has to be shown.

00:18:58.900 So, I mean, Megan, you and I both were I worked at CNN.

00:19:03.380 We both worked at Fox.

00:19:04.920 You had to have special permission to take the World Trade Center footage out of the vault and show it on your show.

00:19:12.480 And it was only really allowed around September 11th.

00:19:15.780 I think that's a mistake because you forget that if you never again is now right now and they're just doing it in a different way than they were doing it in the 1930s.

00:19:30.060 And how many people risked their lives?

00:19:32.900 Raoul Wallenberg is a great hero.

00:19:35.520 He risked his life to save Jews.

00:19:38.560 He tried to get the information.

00:19:40.440 He handed it to the Americans.

00:19:42.180 He handed it to the Swiss.

00:19:43.960 He handed it to the British.

00:19:45.360 And no one would do anything.

00:19:47.280 So all of the stories of the Holocaust were rumors and were on page 31 of The New York Times.

00:19:55.240 This needs to be seen so no one can say because they will.

00:20:00.300 That's not true.

00:20:01.380 That never happened.

00:20:02.640 Yeah.

00:20:03.020 Those pictures need to be seen.

00:20:07.180 You know, I can't get over the way this is being spun, even by what I would consider,

00:20:15.100 quote, mainstream leftists.

00:20:16.980 Let's say MSNBC.

00:20:18.680 OK, I'll give you one example.

00:20:20.180 Mehdi Hassan, who's just been a nightmare in his coverage of this whole thing.

00:20:23.740 He goes after this guy, Bill Ackman, who you probably saw yesterday or the day before, Glenn.

00:20:29.200 He's a hedge fund guy who said, all right, we've got 35 now, 35 student groups at Harvard who have said this is all on Israel.

00:20:36.380 We stand in solidarity with only one side.

00:20:40.040 And it's not Israel.

00:20:41.320 It's the side beheading the babies.

00:20:43.580 And Bill Ackman rightly said, I've been being contacted by other guys in finance and on Wall Street saying, let's get a name.

00:20:49.960 Let's get a list of those names.

00:20:51.140 Those are not people who we want working for us, which you could completely understand.

00:20:55.860 Anyway, so let me pause it.

00:20:57.420 So Bill Ackman says, OK, I will.

00:20:59.600 And so groups have been doing it.

00:21:01.860 Townhall dot com released the names of these student groups who are the people who are in the student groups.

00:21:06.580 And then you have Mehdi Hassan come out and say, oh, I thought the right was supposed to be pro free speech.

00:21:14.880 Thought you were all free speech warriors.

00:21:16.780 Doesn't seem so free speechy to be canceling people like Rhino Workman of NYU for speaking out on behalf of Hamas.

00:21:26.620 In response to which I said, you've got to be kidding me.

00:21:30.920 Like it's now cancel culture to not want to hire a terrorist sympathizer and defender.

00:21:38.120 I need to hire at my law firm if I decide to hang up my shingle again.

00:21:42.780 Somebody who says I'm totally fine with the murder of children and the burning of women alive.

00:21:48.160 Yes, I think it's it's just.

00:21:50.080 And in fact, it's all the fault of the victims.

00:21:52.780 I'm good with it.

00:21:53.340 I'm supposed to hire this person.

00:21:54.560 Then I'm going to go look for, let's say, Jewish clients.

00:21:56.800 Good luck.

00:21:57.520 Good luck.

00:21:57.800 As if this is equivalent to the left's cancellation of somebody for making tacos when they're not Mexican, which, by the way, actually has happened.

00:22:07.980 I tell you, the world is upside down and this can be the beginning of a great awakening and and a return to truth.

00:22:20.940 It has to be if we if all of this stuff is related, all of this is related and it's repeating itself.

00:22:31.560 You know, the the Armenians are being killed and a genocide is happening in Armenia right now.

00:22:38.000 That happened and taught Hitler, you know what?

00:22:41.280 We can get away with liquidating anybody we want in the world won't say anything about it.

00:22:45.200 Yeah, he said, who remembers the Armenians?

00:22:47.660 Yeah, nobody remembers the Armenians, but it's happening right now.

00:22:52.240 My charity happens to have people on the ground trying to get them out of the area and and protect them as much as we can.

00:22:58.820 Most people aren't even talking about it.

00:23:01.220 All of the evils from the past are happening.

00:23:03.880 And it always, always anti-Semitism ties itself to Marxism, statism, authoritarianism.

00:23:13.080 All of this stuff is related.

00:23:15.020 You know, you're surprised that this is happening at the well, you're not surprised this is happening at the universities.

00:23:20.840 All of these universities are coming out and saying just horrendous things.

00:23:25.160 Really?

00:23:25.880 Because you were the same universities that hired actual Nazis.

00:23:30.760 This is the same kind of culture that was happening with the Nazis.

00:23:36.100 Look up the German booned movement, the American German booned movement.

00:23:41.400 It was a Nazi movement.

00:23:43.320 There were trains that came out of Grand Central Station and went to Long Island and the Jersey shoreline every weekend that flew an American and Nazi flag on the front of the train.

00:23:57.920 They sold out Madison Square Garden to have a rally for Hitler.

00:24:03.900 They put an armband around the image of George Washington.

00:24:08.180 This is the same hatred that comes from Marxism, socialism, and all the other isms that go right along with it.

00:24:18.800 There is an idea that all men are created equal.

00:24:22.800 That means we don't all have to agree with each other, but it does mean we have to agree that all people, Palestinians or Israelis, have a right to speak their mind.

00:24:34.840 But if you are for the silencing of other people through murder, rape, burning people alive, beheading children, I'm sorry.

00:24:43.840 I'm not in a compact with you.

00:24:46.640 America used to have a compact.

00:24:49.660 We must restore the Bill of Rights compact.

00:24:53.680 What did you make of Biden's speech yesterday?

00:24:57.000 Just for the listening audience.

00:24:58.380 Oh, I don't.

00:24:59.520 I mean.

00:25:00.220 Yeah, go ahead.

00:25:01.800 I mean, you know.

00:25:03.700 It was good.

00:25:04.920 I mean, I know people in Israel, they had to listen to that and go, oh, thank goodness.

00:25:09.760 But I don't believe any of that.

00:25:12.140 He's surrounded by Obama wannabes.

00:25:15.340 He's the most incompetent individual.

00:25:17.660 I have absolutely no faith that this president and the leadership that he's selected at the Pentagon can do anything but shoot themselves in the foot.

00:25:29.140 This is the most dangerous time we have had maybe since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:25:35.800 We are on the edge.

00:25:38.640 And who do we have running things?

00:25:42.360 I mean, if he would drop dead tomorrow from a heart attack or choking on pudding, then we have Kamala Harris.

00:25:50.520 Do you feel better?

00:25:51.860 Do you feel like we're in control just with our strategic oil reserve?

00:25:58.880 We just gave away seven years of our missile usage, which means it will take us seven years to manufacture those missiles so we can use them.

00:26:10.360 If you think that China, if this starts to grow, if Israel and there's a miracle happen and Israel is able to kill this and fight this back and we go back to normalcy, then everything changes.

00:26:25.680 But if they don't, do you think China won't go for Taiwan?

00:26:31.000 Those are the computer chip people.

00:26:33.700 They make the chips for the supercomputers.

00:26:36.920 If we don't have access to those things, we can't make them.

00:26:42.380 China will.

00:26:43.540 And if you don't think China will take an opportunity for a three-front war where I don't think we could even last on a one-front war, I mean, what good are the words of the president?

00:26:57.100 I'd like to see some action, except I say that with great hesitancy because every action he takes.

00:27:04.220 Let me ask you this.

00:27:06.380 You're the president of the United States.

00:27:08.860 We have hostages taken by the same kind of people that took our hostages in 1979.

00:27:15.100 Do you have your spokesperson come out and say, you know, there are roads.

00:27:19.260 There's lots of ways to get out of Israel.

00:27:23.280 You could just take a road.

00:27:24.480 Where?

00:27:25.500 Through Gaza to Egypt?

00:27:27.100 Or maybe it's through Lebanon and Hezbollah?

00:27:30.200 Or maybe we go into Syria.

00:27:31.960 Where are those roads?

00:27:33.080 I have employees that have people trapped in Israel right now.

00:27:39.580 We can't get out.

00:27:40.860 Why?

00:27:41.380 There's no American carrier that is flying in.

00:27:44.460 You have to go on Lufthansa.

00:27:46.500 Lufthansa is brave enough to say, we're going to rescue anybody who's German can come out.

00:27:52.480 Lufthansa, the Germans are saving Jews and we're standing on the sidelines.

00:27:59.400 What good does a speech make?

00:28:01.680 Like, when did we become such wusses that we will stand on the sidelines kicking rocks?

00:28:10.020 We won't even save our own people.

00:28:12.940 Well, where and where was even the presidential messaging on it yesterday on the hostages?

00:28:17.320 You know, like where was the messaging of one hair on one head of an American?

00:28:23.060 Because they don't believe it.

00:28:24.080 Right.

00:28:24.300 And you're going to be dealing with the Navy.

00:28:25.880 I mean, they've already killed 14 Americans.

00:28:27.520 But now we have an untold number still in jeopardy.

00:28:31.620 And where is the strong presidential message of if you if you harm a single American, we're going to unleash the full force of.

00:28:39.420 But he won't because he's not prepared to do that.

00:28:42.820 I don't know what he's prepared to do.

00:28:44.580 And in fact, if you talk to any of these experts who have been watching his conduct and the Democrats conduct when it comes to Israel and all the past conflicts, we run out of patience.

00:28:51.920 And it's not just Democrats.

00:28:52.920 Condoleezza Rice famously ran out of patience for after 32 days in the conflict about 15, 16 years ago.

00:28:58.980 We give Israel a very short leash and then we run out of patience and then we tell it's time to wrap it up.

00:29:04.080 And I don't think they're going to listen to us this time, Glenn.

00:29:07.020 And I don't know what that leaves us in.

00:29:09.620 If you're I've I've been there, Megan, you've been there.

00:29:14.120 You've been chased out through Holocaust after a Holocaust, 19 of them.

00:29:19.380 And every time the world says, get out, get out, go someplace else, get out.

00:29:24.440 Well, they finally have a place.

00:29:26.500 They have their own homeland while our government is disarming the American people with open borders.

00:29:34.360 You know why Russia never have all the plans to destroy America?

00:29:38.360 They never had a plan that had them coming through our southern border into Texas.

00:29:43.780 You know why?

00:29:44.660 Because Texans were clear about the American Constitution.

00:29:48.040 They were clear about communism and they were armed and they knew they'd have to face the people, not just the army.

00:29:55.480 Israel is giving guns to their citizens.

00:29:58.340 Ten thousand rifles are being given to private citizens right now.

00:30:02.660 Our government is disarming us.

00:30:05.000 While we have about four million people who we have no idea who they are.

00:30:10.760 While we have Palestinian people screaming, gas the Jews.

00:30:17.500 I don't know what happens if you're of that point of view and you came in from Iran.

00:30:26.120 You came in from from Gaza.

00:30:30.060 You don't have necessarily love for America.

00:30:33.080 You didn't come here to better your family's life and you're a sleeper cell.

00:30:37.760 Well, not only that, Glenn.

00:30:38.860 Right now, the leader of Hamas put out a statement calling to make this Friday a, quote, global day of jihad.

00:30:46.640 And so and he's asked he's asking the number one ask was he asked donations.

00:30:50.360 But also the number one was to shed blood in the name of their cause.

00:30:54.780 And so, you know, to relate it back to what's happening in America, you've I'm sure every Jewish community senator is center is now under guard.

00:31:03.780 People are friends going to synagogue on the weekend.

00:31:06.980 And they have to worry and think about the Jewish students at these college campuses who have students, an untold number of whom support the murder of Jewish civilians in the name of this cause and won't even get denounced by the university heads.

00:31:24.360 These same university heads who are rushing out there to post statements after George Floyd, after one man was whose life was taken by the police.

00:31:31.720 Now, nine times out of 10, they haven't said anything, even response to the student groups.

00:31:35.920 And I've seen the letters from Jewish students and Jewish student groups writing to the heads of school.

00:31:40.480 A lot of them are being sent to me saying, would you please say something?

00:31:43.720 At most, they get a milquetoast statement like, well, we condemn the violence that's that's unfolded.

00:31:49.140 Now, not putting the blame squarely where it belongs on Hamas's shoulders.

00:31:52.520 So here in America, we need to worry, too.

00:31:54.960 I mean, this conflict could be coming here.

00:31:58.260 Oh, I think it I think it will.

00:32:00.380 I mean, you know, look, I'm a I'm a catastrophist, an optimistic catastrophist.

00:32:05.920 Uh, you know, I I believe in Americans.

00:32:09.340 I believe in the Constitution and I believe in God.

00:32:14.380 So anything can change and Americans can wake up.

00:32:19.020 And once they wake up, it changes.

00:32:21.760 America is America because of her people, not her government.

00:32:26.860 Our government, unfortunately, has gone to hell in a handbasket.

00:32:32.120 But enough is out there now where people can see, oh, wait a minute.

00:32:35.780 And when Hillary Clinton says, you know, you got these Trump people that just need to, you know, maybe we need to deprogram them.

00:32:43.140 Are you kidding me?

00:32:45.240 Are you kidding me?

00:32:47.160 You mean the people who want the Constitution to be supreme?

00:32:51.780 They should be reprogrammed.

00:32:53.820 You're going to see a very different outcome because of this administration here in our own country.

00:33:02.060 There is going to be, God forbid, terrorist activity in our own country.

00:33:10.420 Everyone has to stay vigilant, stay aware and has to stay prayerful.

00:33:14.580 I mean, that's in these dark, dark times.

00:33:17.180 That's really the only thing that makes one feel better.

00:33:19.840 Paying attention, staying connected with God.

00:33:22.300 That's right.

00:33:22.880 And do what you can like Glenn always does in these tragedies with his charity.

00:33:26.640 Thank you for coming on, my friend.

00:33:27.740 Great to see you.

00:33:28.320 Thank you.

00:33:29.020 All right.

00:33:29.340 We're going to be right back with Eli Lake and some some unbelievable news that I want to show to you.

00:33:39.640 We are following some breaking news at this hour.

00:33:42.360 The U.S. State Department just announced at least 22 Americans have now died in the Hamas terror attacks in Israel.

00:33:49.540 That's up from 14 that we knew about yesterday.

00:33:52.640 In addition, we are continuing to monitor what is happening in northern Israel just a short time ago.

00:33:56.840 Israel's Defense Force's account on Twitter warned of, quote, suspected infiltration from Lebanon into Israeli airspace.

00:34:05.700 There are videos circulating online of sirens going off like this one.

00:34:09.180 Joining me now, Eli Lake.

00:34:21.360 He's a contributing editor at Commentary and host of the podcast The Re-Education with Eli Lake.

00:34:27.720 Eli, I begin with you at the same place I started with Glenn Beck half an hour ago.

00:34:30.760 And that is, you know, if this is now turning into a two front war with Hezbollah and Lebanon coming across the northern border, what does it mean?

00:34:41.960 Well, I think it means it's more than a two front war.

00:34:43.860 It's a regional war because Hezbollah is a cat's paw of Iran.

00:34:48.400 There has been reporting that the Iranians planned or helped plan and approved the Hamas slaughter and pogrom.

00:34:59.500 You're seeing the sermons of Iranian clerics at the moment that are, you know, calling, as you said in the last segment, for, you know, kind of everyone to rise up, predicting the end of Israel.

00:35:13.360 So I do think that at this point, Israel has to look at this as a regional war.

00:35:19.620 And it's it's the two front war for Israel, but it really is a regional war here at home.

00:35:25.720 There are concerns in many corners, and one of them is what happened in Dearborn, Michigan last night.

00:35:32.500 I realize there are some people domestically who are pro-Palestinian, but that is a very different thing than in the wake of this terrorist attack saying anything in defense of Hamas, which is recognized by our own our own government as a as a terrorist group.

00:35:49.760 Here is just a flavor of what happened at this Palestine pro-Palestine rally in Michigan last night.

00:35:55.880 We are not going to be intimidated by staying silent when they say Hamas is a terrorist organization.

00:36:10.900 The fact it is not a terrorist organization.

00:36:13.900 I mean, it was a packed house in support cheering for this message in the wake of what we just saw to say Hamas is not a terrorist organization.

00:36:37.040 I would go I would say this, that the speaker that you just saw, the college students who have, you know, expressed their solidarity, Black Lives Matter in Chicago with their tweet that had the hang glider saying free Palestine.

00:36:51.180 These people in the left and outside of, you know, the area are traitors, not just to I mean, to the Palestinian cause, they are false friends.

00:37:03.740 What Hamas has done, and if it's true that it was on behalf of Iran, is going to bring misery to Palestinians, full stop.

00:37:12.660 It's going to diplomatically and internationally isolate the Palestinian movement.

00:37:17.380 It does not accomplish anything.

00:37:20.120 And it is, in my view, racist to assume that Palestinians are savages and would endorse the savagery of the groups that purport to rule them.

00:37:31.460 So when I see that man saying that Hamas are not terrorists and the real terrorist is Israel, I think as a Jew that it's disgusting.

00:37:41.260 But I also think, you know, just as a as a as a human being, that this is no friend of the Palestinians.

00:37:46.240 This is not somebody who has the best interests of Palestinians in mind.

00:37:50.340 This is somebody who is reveling and glorying the murder of Jews.

00:37:55.640 And it's disgusting.

00:37:57.140 The report is breaking now via I-24 News.

00:37:59.760 The Israeli Defense Force says it has not identified any impact and no reports of wounded following drone infiltration alerts in northern Israel.

00:38:08.160 So we heard the sirens and we saw the initial reports, but they're not identifying any wounded or impact from the infiltration so far.

00:38:16.000 That story is developing and we'll see where it goes.

00:38:19.440 The leftist lawmakers seem to be really struggling right now on how to message this, Eli.

00:38:27.780 I bring you Ed Markey, who is holding an event, senator from Massachusetts yesterday.

00:38:34.700 Elizabeth Warren is right behind him and he decides to hit on the de-escalation message.

00:38:39.800 It was just Monday.

00:38:40.580 He decides to hit on the de-escalation.

00:38:42.640 I mean, this is before Israel's even had a chance to do anything in response to the attack on it.

00:38:47.620 But listen to how it went.

00:38:49.320 Listen to how this went.

00:38:49.980 There must be a de-escalation of the current violence.

00:38:55.640 The United States should.

00:39:09.000 He looks befuddled.

00:39:12.500 And you know this is a left-wing crowd.

00:39:14.080 Who else shows up to listen to Ed Markey and Senator Elizabeth Warren speak?

00:39:17.320 I think that the moment has really, I mean, I think what we heard there is zombie peace processing.

00:39:25.240 I mean, this is the talking points of 25 years ago and the Clinton administration, the cycle of violence, looking at root causes of savagery.

00:39:33.340 And, you know, it's hard to sort of let it go, has been the talking point now for Democrats.

00:39:39.420 And, you know, you know, it's some, you know, 10, 15 years ago, Republicans too.

00:39:44.420 And it no longer applies.

00:39:47.380 These people have shown us who they are and we have to act accordingly.

00:39:51.660 I think the Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli spokesmen have been right when they say that Hamas is like ISIS.

00:39:57.120 I would say that, you know, they are like, you know, the sort of savage hordes throughout human history, whether they're the Mongols or the Romans or the Mesopotamians.

00:40:05.920 But the only thing you can do in the face of such evil is to wipe it out.

00:40:11.520 The media is complicit in that same message that Ed Markey just attempted.

00:40:15.720 Not only do they try to downplay the evils of Hamas by, you know, the way they reference Hamas, but they are very pro de-escalation as a norm and will probably quickly switch to that message entirely.

00:40:26.660 I'll give you just a couple of examples that jumped out at me.

00:40:28.900 The New York Times, they published a story, Hamas Leaves Trail of Terror in Israel, and in it they referred to Hamas terrorists.

00:40:36.420 Then they changed, this is via Greg Price on Twitter, then they changed it to Hamas Leaves Trail of Terror in Israel and changed it from Hamas terrorists to Hamas gunmen.

00:40:47.400 Even the president is saying terrorists.

00:40:49.620 It's okay, New York Times, you can say it.

00:40:51.320 Up north, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp, which is even further left than MSNBC, if that's possible, they sent out a memo that was leaked, their director of journalistic standards, to all their journalists saying, do not refer to militants, soldiers, or anyone else as terrorists.

00:41:08.580 They say that's opinion, not fact.

00:41:11.820 Even the Canadians and their government recognize Hamas as a terrorist group.

00:41:15.880 So why won't they write it?

00:41:17.220 I mean, I could argue that I agree with the CBC.

00:41:22.980 We shouldn't call them terrorists.

00:41:23.960 We should call them diabolical barbarians.

00:41:26.300 I mean, are you serious?

00:41:27.860 This is ridiculous.

00:41:30.100 Was anybody having this discussion after 9-11 about Al-Qaeda?

00:41:34.260 Was anybody having this discussion after ISIS beheads American aid workers?

00:41:37.900 It's ridiculous.

00:41:39.320 And it seems like it's a constant kind of double standard for Israel that's in the media.

00:41:43.220 But, you know, fortunately, the media does not really hold the same position right now in our politics and our society in the West than it did before because of, you know, alternative, you know, platforms like yours or the free press.

00:41:58.360 And in that respect, I would just say that, you know, this is it's almost I mean, it's it's ridiculous, but it's not as I don't think it's as sinister as it once was, if that makes any sense.

00:42:12.360 What do you make of the anti-Semitism on display in so many corners?

00:42:16.260 Because, you know, I have to say, when I see the media so reluctant to use that term, I wonder what they actually think.

00:42:22.960 I wonder whether they have sympathy for Hamas and what it just did.

00:42:27.020 I have to wonder who else would hesitate to call baby killers terrorists.

00:42:30.660 And it reminded me this is circulating on formerly Twitter now X last night.

00:42:35.580 And I retweeted it of this famous exchange that David Horowitz had on a university campus.

00:42:40.340 I'll get the name in 2010, where a woman who was part of the Muslim Student Association got up and tried to cross examine him on the speech he had just given.

00:42:48.600 And instead, he had some questions for her.

00:42:50.600 And it was chilling.

00:42:52.740 We've cut a bit of it.

00:42:54.060 Look at this.

00:42:54.560 I'm a student here at UCSD.

00:42:57.780 I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that's very active on campus.

00:43:03.880 And it is hosting our annual Hitler Youth Week.

00:43:08.640 You should come out to those events.

00:43:10.960 Will you condemn Hamas here and now?

00:43:14.440 I'm sorry, what?

00:43:15.400 Will you condemn Hamas?

00:43:17.980 Would I condemn Hamas?

00:43:19.120 As a terrorist or genocide organization.

00:43:21.200 Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?

00:43:23.320 If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas.

00:43:28.600 If I support Hamas, I look really bad.

00:43:31.260 If you don't condemn Hamas, obviously you support it.

00:43:33.840 I'm a Jew.

00:43:35.420 The head of Hezbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn't have to hunt us down globally.

00:43:44.320 For it or against it?

00:43:47.600 For it.

00:43:49.600 Oh, my God.

00:43:51.360 Oh, my God.

00:43:53.320 I mean, that's outrageous.

00:43:55.620 I mean, that that's somebody who has imbibed, you know, the hateful fanaticism of, you know, I guess Islamic supremacy.

00:44:06.340 There is another kind of, you know, equally awful element of the college or academic left that is spread into other institutions, which considers Hamas to be the vanguard of armed struggle and liberation.

00:44:23.260 And they justify this as, you know, the natural response to people living under occupation.

00:44:32.060 And I guess my response to that kind of argument is that the reason that Israel has to inspect goods that come in and out of Gaza is because of actions from Hamas.

00:44:43.820 And this weekend was obviously the worst.

00:44:46.880 But it has been happening since the group was formed in 1987.

00:44:51.120 I mean, also, Israel is not in is not not in.

00:44:55.040 It's not in.

00:44:56.040 It doesn't it left.

00:44:57.480 It took it forced settlement settlers to leave in 2005.

00:45:00.800 And the hope was that that would be a step towards peace.

00:45:05.460 And instead, Gaza became a launching pad to attack Israel.

00:45:10.220 And that's had that's caused enormous misery for Palestinians forced to live under Hamas.

00:45:15.940 And I'm aware that they won an election, barely, very close election in 2006 of the legislature, the Palestinian Authority.

00:45:23.180 But they have not stood for election since.

00:45:25.600 Neither has the PLO.

00:45:27.220 But the point is, is that there's there hasn't the people in Gaza haven't had an electoral choice for nearly 20 years.

00:45:36.420 Hamas has no legitimacy.

00:45:38.380 And, you know, this is what they have been planning.

00:45:41.520 And you have to ask yourself, this is if the situation in Gaza was as desperate as people on the left say it is, then how is it that the organization that runs Gaza is able to get bulletproof vests, drones, various kinds of, you know, sensors and equipment and things to pull off such an operation like this?

00:46:02.000 So it's extraordinary to kind of hear that.

00:46:05.320 And it's very sad.

00:46:06.160 I don't think it represents the majority of Americans by any stretch or even really a majority of people on campus.

00:46:10.640 It just needs to have more courage to confront this kind of, you know, hate filled bigotry.

00:46:16.980 These Students for Justice in Palestine, those are the organizations that continue signing these letters on college campuses.

00:46:22.820 And I would say, beware, beware of Students for Justice for Palestine, because if you can't look at these atrocities and condemn them, there's something wrong with you.

00:46:29.580 I call them Students for Slaughter in Israel.

00:46:31.960 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:46:33.640 They are.

00:46:34.360 Before we go, Eli, how are you doing?

00:46:36.420 Like, this has got to be taking a toll.

00:46:37.880 Um, it's, it's been, it's been rough.

00:46:42.380 I mean, uh, I learned of the news right after I, uh, took my two year old daughter swimming and, um, you know, I, I just kind of hugged her and thought there, but for the grace of God.

00:46:55.000 So it's been rough.

00:46:56.160 And fortunately, my extended family is okay, but I know a lot of people who, uh, have relatives who, who have perished and it's really terrible.

00:47:05.320 So sorry to hear it.

00:47:06.760 It's, you know, the, the stories of heroism coming out of Israel are just jaw dropping too.

00:47:11.520 Agreed.

00:47:11.960 But right now that the trauma is acute and ongoing thinking of you.

00:47:16.420 Thank you for coming on, Eli Lake.

00:47:17.800 All the best to you.

00:47:18.560 Thanks so much for having me.

00:47:19.460 I love the show.

00:47:20.200 Oh, likewise.

00:47:20.840 Thank you.

00:47:21.180 Love listening to you.

00:47:22.240 When we come back, we're going to have Dr. Drew.

00:47:24.060 We're going to talk a little bit about the trauma that the Israelis are going through and maybe that you're feeling.

00:47:29.260 I don't know about you.

00:47:30.320 I'm feeling it.

00:47:31.380 Um, and this is just the beginning of what's going to be a long haul.

00:47:35.240 Uh, so stay tuned for Dr. Drew.

00:47:41.780 As we all deal with this horrific story out of Israel, it's important to take a look just for a minute at the mental toll that comes from both war for those in the region and for those consuming the images and video and news of it, uh, for all the rest of us.

00:47:57.220 We always love talking to Dr. Drew Pinsky.

00:47:59.420 He's here with us today, host of Dr. Drew podcast and much, much more.

00:48:03.180 Today, he's here in the studio with me.

00:48:05.560 I'm so happy to have you here, Doug.

00:48:06.920 So delighted to be here.

00:48:08.420 Well, I'm delighted to be in your presence.

00:48:10.840 I'm not delighted with the circumstances we are all in.

00:48:13.120 My God.

00:48:13.680 I mean, you know, usually we talk and it's somewhat, there's some levity.

00:48:17.160 We cover a range of things.

00:48:18.480 It just feels like today it's, doesn't it just feel like there's a darkness, just like a pall?

00:48:22.580 Oh my gosh.

00:48:23.300 Yes.

00:48:23.740 And, and your staff, it's funny that I started using that word yesterday when we were talking about coming in here.

00:48:29.340 Like it feels so dark, feels so dark.

00:48:30.880 It is dark.

00:48:31.680 And I fear the darkest hours are still ahead that that's, what's almost more disturbing than anything else.

00:48:39.160 And when you were confronted with these overwhelming images and sort of thoughts about what's going on, the natural thing to do is sort of dissociate from it.

00:48:49.040 Like you either disconnect from it, go, I can't deal with it, or you're literally, your brain goes, you know, somewhere else.

00:48:53.940 You feel like you're out of body, like you've been in a bad car accident or something and things feel like it's a dream.

00:48:58.400 That is actually a normal defense mechanisms.

00:49:00.040 But, you know, as it goes on, that actually adversity affects our brain, particularly young people's brains.

00:49:06.300 You know, I've been thinking about it because I, I have a daughter and she's too quick to take on other people's heartache, you know, and the sum of that is good.

00:49:15.300 You want an empathetic person.

00:49:16.520 Yes.

00:49:16.740 Too much is not good.

00:49:18.360 Yes.

00:49:18.520 And I always say to her, Yards, that that's not your upset.

00:49:22.100 That's somebody else's upset, you know.

00:49:23.880 Yeah.

00:49:24.120 And she's getting better at it.

00:49:25.700 This one, and usually I'm very good at compartmentalizing the news myself.

00:49:28.680 You know, there's just so much of it.

00:49:29.740 You've got to be.

00:49:30.700 This one is, is different.

00:49:32.140 And I do think it's because of what Glenn Beck and I were discussing a moment ago, which is we're seeing the videos.

00:49:37.120 You, you see them almost whether you want to or not.

00:49:40.420 And it's like, it's the same reason I don't go to certain Twitter accounts and I don't go to certain websites because I know that they'll put up in particular pictures of animal torture.

00:49:48.980 If they have a story, it's like, I can't even, I can't even see it.

00:49:52.760 And this is human torture.

00:49:55.080 And yet it's everywhere.

00:49:56.980 And it has no, there's just no chance of not being affected by it.

00:50:00.300 Right.

00:50:00.600 There's no chance.

00:50:01.280 That is very much the point.

00:50:03.000 But I'm just thinking about your daughter and children and how they're being exposed to all this as well.

00:50:09.380 You know, other than being directly in the line of fire, we've never exposed young people to this kind of thing on such a mass scale.

00:50:16.840 So we really don't even know what it's going to do to them in the long term.

00:50:20.780 I worry about this stuff.

00:50:22.060 I worry about, I don't feel up to the present moment, I got to tell you.

00:50:25.100 Thank you for having me in here.

00:50:26.260 But this feels truly overwhelming.

00:50:28.240 Like there's just too much.

00:50:30.280 I don't think any of us do.

00:50:30.960 Yeah.

00:50:31.420 It's too much.

00:50:32.120 Well, what about the children?

00:50:33.280 Because, I mean, there's the Israeli children, of course, and then there's our kids too.

00:50:37.780 But there's news that Israeli parents are furiously deleting the social media apps on their children's phone because Hamas has threatened to, as the airstrikes continue in Gaza, start executing the hostages and to broadcast it on social media.

00:50:54.600 And they, you know, of course they don't want their children seeing that.

00:50:57.640 I mean, Israel's not that big.

00:50:58.940 Like the odds of them knowing somebody connected to one of these hostages are high.

00:51:03.520 And then secondly, I'd love to talk about our kids back here and how much of this is appropriate to share.

00:51:11.160 Again, I think it's none of it really when you get right down to it.

00:51:15.600 Like I said, we don't know the full impact of these kinds of images on children.

00:51:19.240 And yet, I think about my own kids.

00:51:22.600 They were sort of third grade when 9-11 happened.

00:51:25.300 And yet, that all rained down on them.

00:51:28.580 It was all television.

00:51:30.140 It was not as though it was in their hand all day.

00:51:32.440 But they saw plenty.

00:51:34.340 And it changed their lives.

00:51:36.100 It certainly changed their lives.

00:51:37.340 Now, in all kinds of ways, and a lot of it is unpredictable.

00:51:40.400 Who knows?

00:51:41.720 Again, the thing I worry about more than anything, though, is our brains.

00:51:44.860 We literally are flooded with cortisol, and we can disconnect.

00:51:50.060 Our parasympathetic system can kick in and disconnect us from reality, from our body, from our feelings.

00:51:59.080 And that, on a chronic basis, is not good.

00:52:02.000 So I'm thinking about your daughter and her caring.

00:52:04.980 We've entered this very unusual time when there's a huge value put on grandiose caring.

00:52:12.080 I care.

00:52:12.960 And on this grandiose level, that is not healthy.

00:52:17.760 Care about people right in front of you.

00:52:20.260 I think there's a message embedded in all this, which is, and we always get to this point anyway, right?

00:52:27.260 The people you love, the relationships you value, double down.

00:52:32.300 Protect the people you love.

00:52:33.840 Get involved with them.

00:52:34.860 Spend more time with them.

00:52:36.340 Talk about these feelings and try to process them.

00:52:38.780 That space of closeness we call intimacy is the way the human brain builds.

00:52:44.940 It doesn't do it on its own.

00:52:46.460 It needs other brains, and children need adult brains in particular.

00:52:49.880 And even adults go back to that same mechanism and use other brains to help us regulate and make sense of things.

00:52:56.780 So there's a sort of a, I don't want to say, I'm not going to use any positive words in any of this, but there's something to be done that could help.

00:53:05.720 You mentioned 9-11, and it just jarred something in me.

00:53:10.160 What we did at Fox was on the anniversary of 9-11, we would show the tape of the attacks, but the one thing we would never show was the falling man.

00:53:19.880 I know that.

00:53:20.700 It was multiple bodies, but they've become known collectively as the falling man.

00:53:24.160 And it's left from the museum and stuff too, right?

00:53:26.180 It's left out.

00:53:26.840 And I don't like that my kids were exposed to that, but that was the equivalent of what we're seeing.

00:53:32.940 That was the part where you go, I can't handle it too much.

00:53:34.600 Right, so this is resonating for me, because it's like all we're seeing on social media about this conflict, this attack, is basically the equivalent of the falling man.

00:53:41.920 It's the up-close, personal attacks on civilians.

00:53:45.720 And it's not to say that it's not incredibly awful to see those planes going into the towers.

00:53:50.200 It is.

00:53:51.280 But it is, it's just there's something else.

00:53:54.620 It's more personal and intimate to see an individual suffering up close and personal.

00:54:00.460 And that's what we're seeing.

00:54:02.180 You know, like, I can't get over the body of that woman in the back of the Jeep, unnaturally curved, and them standing on her.

00:54:10.680 I just, I can't get past it.

00:54:12.460 It's just like, that these non-humans are roaming around us.

00:54:17.000 You know, the level of depravity.

00:54:19.320 Well, this is the part that I'm really struggling with.

00:54:21.440 I did not know that we could go back to that.

00:54:24.540 I mean, I know human history is packed with people doing that sort of thing.

00:54:28.540 I didn't know we're going there.

00:54:30.400 And that's, and that, it's always the case that when your sense of reality gets a record scratch, like, uh-oh, I did not, it takes a while to process it.

00:54:39.980 I'm not there yet.

00:54:41.460 I don't know what to make of it yet.

00:54:42.640 And by the way, there was another casualty in all this, which is the press.

00:54:45.920 I've noticed that I am so distrustful of everything in the press, particularly in cable media and that kind of thing.

00:54:51.420 I look at some of the stuff and go, well, maybe, maybe, is somebody doing something to me again?

00:54:57.760 Am I being manipulated?

00:55:00.060 That is, there were multiple casualties beyond the human casualty.

00:55:05.580 Harvard University, another casualty.

00:55:07.660 The things that came out of the student groups the other day, okay, you're done.

00:55:12.660 That's it.

00:55:13.620 It was good to see, by the way, some, I think it was 100 professors signed a letter pushing back on those student groups.

00:55:18.280 Steven Pinker and Alan Dershowitz and others have been speaking out.

00:55:22.880 I, I, uh.

00:55:24.080 All of them, by the way, have been peripheralized by that institution, mind you, right?

00:55:29.040 Very much so.

00:55:29.180 These are all people that have been writing public discourse and have not exactly been embraced by the mainstream at that university.

00:55:35.920 But what about the people for whom this actually does raise trauma?

00:55:40.720 Like there, there are people.

00:55:41.400 Oh, there's a lot of us.

00:55:42.020 Right?

00:55:42.280 It's like people who have experienced real trauma in their lives.

00:55:45.940 It could be sexual violence, could be anything.

00:55:48.080 This actually does have a way of re-traumatizing them.

00:55:50.620 Oh, 100%.

00:55:51.620 And I think what people don't really appreciate, I, I've done a lot of thinking about this and I actually wanted to write a chapter in my book about it and they told me it was too speculative.

00:55:59.520 But the history has borne me out, which is we went through a, really, an epidemic of childhood trauma in this country.

00:56:06.980 It was not normal.

00:56:08.360 People went, oh, they're just talking about it.

00:56:09.840 No, no.

00:56:11.040 The abandonment, neglect, physical abuse, sexual abuse of children in the 60s, 70s, 80s that was unleashed in the name of a revolution.

00:56:18.500 It's just, hey, little, they're little, little adults.

00:56:20.640 They, they're sexual too.

00:56:21.820 Oh, oh boy.

00:56:22.640 People went berserk with that.

00:56:24.260 And then, of course, if somebody's been through that, they have about a certain percentage probability of being a perpetrator later, then it's just awful.

00:56:31.560 Not, no fault of theirs.

00:56:32.640 They were rendered that way.

00:56:34.540 But again, it's their fault for not maybe dealing with it before they hurt somebody else.

00:56:39.940 And as a result, we have a massive population of people with what are called narcissistic injuries, childhood trauma.

00:56:47.140 And it results in a certain kind of general personality construct in this country that, let's say, is prone to rage.

00:56:58.420 And when that rage develops, usually it gets acted out through scapegoating, like collecting together and scapegoating, thus cancellation.

00:57:07.120 The French Revolution, it was the guillotine.

00:57:08.960 And the message of history is a mathematical probability of 100% that if you are participating in the scapegoating, eventually you too will be up on the guillotine.

00:57:22.320 That's just, that's just the way history works.

00:57:24.380 That's the way humans work.

00:57:25.560 And so we have all this going on.

00:57:27.240 And now we have this incredible, extraordinary images that we're being exposed to.

00:57:31.740 And of course, it re-traumatized people.

00:57:33.600 Now, the question is, are they going to do what I was saying and really try to regroup with priorities and boundaries like you're trying to teach your daughter and work with people you're intimate with?

00:57:43.680 Or are they going to become enraged and start scapegoating?

00:57:46.160 And who knows where that goes?

00:57:47.700 As we're seeing the press shift their emphasis, it looks like the scapegoating going toward Israel now.

00:57:52.640 And then two days ago, the scapegoating was toward the Hamas.

00:57:56.280 Those are all scapegoating impulses.

00:57:58.060 And then if you're not scapegoating, you're dissociating.

00:58:05.580 And dissociating is that feeling, again, I mentioned earlier, that you're out of body or you're watching something in a dream.

00:58:12.160 And to the extent that that is a normal reaction to trauma, everybody does it.

00:58:16.440 But if you're sort of using that day in and day out, it becomes destructive.

00:58:21.240 Now we get news that the head of Hamas, he was on camera calling for a national or international day of jihad.

00:58:29.720 I saw that.

00:58:30.620 Go through all the borders.

00:58:31.820 Did you see all that?

00:58:32.460 That was very explicit.

00:58:34.120 I think that was for us.

00:58:35.780 Yeah.

00:58:36.020 And made clear what he wants people to do and pay him blood and treasure some deposit into the Hamas account.

00:58:42.840 And there could be some faction of radicals that actually listen.

00:58:47.320 So Friday becomes a more tense day, especially for people who are Jewish here in America and elsewhere.

00:58:53.860 And on college campuses, there's some, I don't even know what they're calling it, some day of solidarity tomorrow.

00:58:59.860 Right.

00:59:00.000 So these like, if you're a Jewish American right now, you're facing, what, a demonstration in your college campus pro-terrorist.

00:59:06.760 Then the next day, as you go into the Sabbath for Jews, you got to worry about showing up at your synagogue, right?

00:59:13.580 That it's going to get targeted.

00:59:14.920 In New York, we see it.

00:59:15.920 Like, you go to the Jewish community center.

00:59:17.660 They've got the huge, those huge cement blocks out in front of it because they know already, even in peace times, they're targets.

00:59:24.220 Why?

00:59:24.580 Because they're Jewish.

00:59:25.540 That's it.

00:59:25.960 And on a day like, it's just like the level of trauma and concern and fright.

00:59:31.040 Like, there's got to be real fear.

00:59:32.320 Yeah.

00:59:32.540 It's rising.

00:59:33.400 Like, I can feel it rising.

00:59:34.560 Yeah, I can't do it.

00:59:35.180 But that's scapegoating.

00:59:36.600 That's the same mechanism.

00:59:37.800 By whom?

00:59:38.140 Who's scapegoating?

00:59:39.380 Somebody's scapegoating the Jews.

00:59:40.500 That's always been the mechanism that they have used.

00:59:43.100 That's what Hitler used, everybody used.

00:59:44.300 They use it.

00:59:45.120 They take a population.

00:59:46.280 They dehumanize them.

00:59:47.140 And they scapegoat them.

00:59:48.760 And that's how you're able to carry out terror.

00:59:51.080 They are not humans in your mind because humans are capable of dehumanizing other humans.

00:59:55.760 And scapegoating them for all your problems.

00:59:58.400 What about there's the, there's a, Scott Adams posted this online.

01:00:02.400 And I'm sure you know about this drug, Captagon.

01:00:05.060 Yeah.

01:00:05.620 And there's some speculation, that's all it is, that this drug may be playing a part somehow

01:00:11.780 amongst the Hamas terrorists.

01:00:14.880 What is Captagon?

01:00:16.140 And why are people wondering about that?

01:00:17.740 So when you look at these behaviors of the terrorists, let's, I mean, why, how can we

01:00:23.900 call them anything else?

01:00:24.800 They're terrorists.

01:00:25.100 I don't understand, but, but okay, terrorists.

01:00:27.480 You think to yourself, how is this possible?

01:00:30.460 How, how could a human behave like it would beheaded babies and things?

01:00:33.620 You just, you think about it and you just, you pull away, you cringe.

01:00:37.960 And one of the ways through, through a pretty 20th century history that people do stuff is

01:00:43.700 with drugs.

01:00:45.000 And Captagon is widely distributed through the Middle East.

01:00:48.360 It's not available through the West.

01:00:50.480 It's a very, you know, when I did some research on it, I, it was very shrouded in sort of mystery.

01:00:56.000 Like I could not figure out why it was made illegal in the West.

01:00:59.760 It was originally an amphetamine substitute.

01:01:02.380 It's a pro-drug.

01:01:03.800 It's converted into, by your body, your liver to amphetamine and theophylline, essentially.

01:01:10.140 And in principle, it should be milder than amphetamine.

01:01:13.740 Pro-drugs sometimes are, but it seems to be more intense.

01:01:17.640 It seems to cause more inflation, which is really one of the dire side effects of methamphetamine in particular,

01:01:24.180 which is you feel agitated and bigger than life and, and justified in your every move.

01:01:30.540 And some sort of, again, we've talked about dissociation.

01:01:33.720 There's some dissociative quality to it where you're just sort of not all there.

01:01:37.080 Oh, that's interesting.

01:01:38.160 Yeah.

01:01:38.540 So it actually, I mean, perhaps, whatever, but perhaps these are not normally the inhumane monsters they were on this day.

01:01:47.820 Like this drug could actually push you to do something that you wouldn't do without it.

01:01:51.800 It's highly speculative, and I think you'd have to use a lot, and you'd have to probably use it for a while to get to that point.

01:01:59.580 But it's possible.

01:02:00.940 It's possible.

01:02:01.800 My brain is trying to wrap its head around what is going on here.

01:02:05.820 Well, and I'd rather believe that it's a drug than an actual human heart.

01:02:08.280 Right.

01:02:08.880 But, again, look at history.

01:02:10.420 I mean, you know, the Huns and whatever.

01:02:12.140 Humans have done this.

01:02:14.280 They did say that Hitler was a big fan of snorting cocaine.

01:02:17.520 And amphetamines.

01:02:18.320 Amphetamines were used very widely.

01:02:20.400 And military uses amphetamine.

01:02:21.380 They do.

01:02:21.800 It just does.

01:02:23.240 But this drug in particular seems to have some mysterious properties that I couldn't fully tease out of the literature.

01:02:30.060 So I'm worried.

01:02:31.700 And also they say that there are some properties, some illicit manufacturing is including, quote, something else.

01:02:38.860 And my suspicion is there may be like an opiate or something in there as well, which also makes you not feel anything.

01:02:44.520 Well, I mean, we've had, you know, as you point out, terror for a long time.

01:02:47.640 Just look at ISIS.

01:02:48.300 They weren't all on Captain Gone.

01:02:49.860 This is all that.

01:02:50.880 Well, it's been around since then, too.

01:02:52.360 But, yes, I don't think they were.

01:02:53.660 But this is that, again, is it not?

01:02:56.160 It's just on a scale that we just can't manage.

01:02:59.720 Well, and I think about, you know, I think about the Israeli soldiers, right, on the other hand, who I don't know that they're going to need an amphetamine, but they're going to need something.

01:03:07.080 And you walk in at a kibbutz and you see 40 dead, murdered babies, decapitated.

01:03:14.340 I don't know how you come back from that.

01:03:16.000 I mean, the reporter who we aired yesterday from I-24, she could barely keep it together.

01:03:20.820 She doesn't sound like she saw it.

01:03:22.160 It sounds like she just spoke to the soldiers who saw it.

01:03:25.280 And she said they were holding each other.

01:03:27.100 Like, these are young guys.

01:03:27.920 These are not – they're not everybody's like a seasoned, grisly, old general who's seen it all.

01:03:33.040 Like, most of these guys are relatively young and they've been – you have to go do your couple years of military service there.

01:03:38.140 They heard what was happening.

01:03:39.060 They rushed to serve.

01:03:39.700 I mean, they're not prepared any more than you or I are to go see this.

01:03:43.900 Yeah.

01:03:44.420 It makes me wonder if there was something premeditated in that particular torture in that – and I don't – you know, I'm not a military person, so I don't know, but I have lots of military friends.

01:03:55.120 And the ones that really struggle with stuff will often bring up children.

01:04:01.240 Like, something happened to a kid.

01:04:02.620 I couldn't – your brain just can't regulate.

01:04:06.880 It shatters.

01:04:08.300 You see that in prisons, right?

01:04:10.360 Like, who are the bad convicted killers who may be serial killers going to go after?

01:04:15.000 The child molester.

01:04:16.020 Like, there's even a code amongst the worst of the worst that you don't touch children.

01:04:21.340 That's a human thing.

01:04:23.060 And, again, to be able to do that is the part that you just go, I can't.

01:04:27.320 But then maybe there's something in it to try to disable these people that come into it.

01:04:32.200 Can I ask you a question?

01:04:32.940 So, yesterday we began the show with that news about the babies and I could barely get it out.

01:04:37.140 I could barely say it.

01:04:38.440 Much like that reporter.

01:04:39.380 Yes.

01:04:39.560 She said that she choked on it.

01:04:40.740 And, by the way, let's remember, was it World War I, the Belgian babies that were tortured?

01:04:44.980 That got everybody into World War I.

01:04:47.300 That's how they pulled everybody in.

01:04:48.720 Well, here's my question.

01:04:52.820 Now, I've seen so much about it.

01:04:54.940 We saw the Fox News reporter trying to get Rashida Tlaib to comment on it, and she wouldn't.

01:05:00.860 I've said it in passing here on the show a few times.

01:05:03.980 It doesn't seem like a phrase you should ever be able to utter casually.

01:05:07.760 You know, beheaded babies.

01:05:09.560 No, it doesn't.

01:05:10.100 But I worry because now I myself am guilty of it.

01:05:14.600 Like, I've tweeted it a couple times to shame people who are defending these Hamas terrorists.

01:05:19.080 I don't understand how in the face of that kind of evil they can't see, right, that who's in the right and who's not on this particular thing.

01:05:27.420 I don't – is there danger in repeatedly referring to something that atrocious, right, in short form or casually to where, like, even saying it now, it's not quite as hard as it was yesterday?

01:05:42.540 So very quickly we desensitize.

01:05:44.620 So we go from dissociation and pulling away to just getting used to it.

01:05:49.000 And is that bad or is it good or is there not a value on it?

01:05:52.060 Well, it's how we work.

01:05:54.100 It's a mechanism that humans have to survive everything.

01:05:58.320 Let's face it.

01:05:59.280 I mean, we can tolerate – we can make the extraordinary commonplace.

01:06:03.280 I mean, we just get used to everything.

01:06:04.620 It's how our brains operate.

01:06:06.420 Is it bad?

01:06:07.940 Yeah, it's bad.

01:06:09.280 We should never have anything other than extraordinary disgust and moral outrage.

01:06:13.760 Now what the press is starting to do is they're – now we're starting to see images of Palestinian children.

01:06:18.040 So we're going to create this equivalency thing that – because the images are equivalent.

01:06:23.360 The question is how do you make equivalency out of somebody who's in person doing it versus a response that has collateralized to stuff by – and allowing – this is the part that's troubling me right now.

01:06:37.740 Whoever's allowing these citizens to stay around targets, that's equally as disgusting.

01:06:42.780 Of course, it's 100 percent of the Palestinians.

01:06:44.200 This is what Hamas does.

01:06:45.420 This is what they do.

01:06:46.120 I mean, this is not speculation.

01:06:48.040 They actually use their civilians as shields.

01:06:49.900 They tell them not to leave the targeted areas because they're hoping they won't get targeted if they have civilians with them.

01:06:55.180 And then they make sure that the local media puts the children on the air and not the fighters as they go in and out of the hospitals.

01:07:02.220 It's all a propaganda war.

01:07:04.320 Even some of these videos coming out of the Israelis who have been murdered are from Hamas.

01:07:09.560 They're proud of it.

01:07:10.580 They're trying to terrorize.

01:07:12.700 They're now – I saw a demonstration today where they were gloating over the pictures, young males gloating over it.

01:07:19.180 Look at this.

01:07:19.700 This is what you deserve.

01:07:21.940 It's – how far are we from 1938, 1942?

01:07:26.620 It's just –

01:07:27.540 You can't negotiate with that.

01:07:29.100 You can't – like all these people online say you've got to talk to them.

01:07:32.180 There's no talking with baby killers.

01:07:34.400 It's done.

01:07:35.400 There's only one thing to do, and that's to annihilate them.

01:07:37.700 I completely understand Israel's strategy and support it.

01:07:41.040 I realize it's going to have global implications, but I just – there's no talking to somebody like that.

01:07:44.640 Israel can't go on with these people on their border.

01:07:47.520 All right.

01:07:47.900 Stand by.

01:07:48.280 We're going to squeeze in a quick break, and then we're going to come back.

01:07:50.060 We're going to change the topic.

01:07:50.940 We're going to talk about some of the latest COVID mania.

01:07:54.420 The New York Times is still at it.

01:07:57.340 It's still at it with that same reporter who's gotten so much wrong.

01:08:02.340 Dr. Drew's been talking about this from the start.

01:08:04.140 We'll pick it up there as we turn the page for a moment from the darkness of Israel.

01:08:08.260 Stay with us.

01:08:08.740 Two notes on the breaking news.

01:08:15.040 I want to tell you first, this from the New York Times.

01:08:17.360 After sirens throughout the north sent a shiver through Israelis fearing a possible attack from Lebanon,

01:08:23.000 the Israeli military has now chalked up the alerts to an apparent malfunction.

01:08:28.240 There is no security incident in Israel's north, said a military spokesman, Daniel Hargari.

01:08:33.680 He added that officials had received a report about drones that the military was still looking into,

01:08:40.240 and I'm sure will continue to.

01:08:41.840 And a second piece of breaking news, it appears the GOP has picked its new Speaker of the House,

01:08:47.660 and that man will be House Majority Leader Steve Scalise.

01:08:51.320 That's very interesting.

01:08:53.000 He was sort of the number two.

01:08:54.380 Well, he was not sort of.

01:08:55.280 He was the number two guy under Kevin McCarthy, but he's been undergoing treatment for cancer.

01:09:00.040 And so many believed he would not want or perhaps would not just win enough support for the job.

01:09:06.560 We're going to cover that much more tomorrow when the ruthless guys join us.

01:09:10.780 So, Dr. Drew, we've got to go over a little bit of COVID accountability.

01:09:14.360 Really quick, one first medical question.

01:09:16.820 Do we know what type of cancer?

01:09:18.020 Because so many cancers now are quite treatable.

01:09:20.120 My team is going to look it up.

01:09:21.480 I don't remember off the top of my head.

01:09:23.040 Because when people hear cancer, we can do a lot with cancer these days.

01:09:27.440 I'm a cancer patient.

01:09:28.320 I have prostate cancer, and I'm 12 years out.

01:09:30.580 It's not that.

01:09:31.140 Well, thank God.

01:09:31.940 Yeah.

01:09:32.620 We'll find out.

01:09:34.980 Blood cancer.

01:09:36.840 Multiple myeloma.

01:09:38.360 Multiple myeloma.

01:09:39.460 So there's myeloma, and there's myeloma.

01:09:41.240 It's not a very treatable condition, really.

01:09:43.440 We like to think we treat it, and sometimes we probably are.

01:09:45.840 But it's usually kind of smoldering, too.

01:09:47.520 It doesn't torch out very quickly.

01:09:49.740 My first reaction is you don't want to see a doctor make a face you just made when you say you're kind of cancer.

01:09:53.840 Yeah, well, myeloma is because mostly I was thinking about how am I going to present this, because it probably soon is going to be a highly treatable cancer.

01:10:03.900 Okay.

01:10:04.560 All right.

01:10:04.820 Well, fingers crossed.

01:10:05.740 Yeah.

01:10:06.140 Say a prayer for Steve Scalise.

01:10:07.320 He's got a lot on his plate.

01:10:08.980 Okay.

01:10:09.340 So this is what an honest doctor sounds like when they tell you they don't know, or this is what they're wrestling with.

01:10:15.480 Irrational uncertainty, Megan.

01:10:17.500 That is what science is about.

01:10:20.200 Skepticism and rational uncertainty.

01:10:22.580 We've been through this bizarre three years of irrational certainty.

01:10:27.540 Yes.

01:10:28.060 Dr. Freiman framed that for me that way.

01:10:29.800 I was like, oh, God, you are so right.

01:10:31.680 I love it.

01:10:32.120 It is irrational to be certain about any of this.

01:10:37.700 And so please, everybody, stop it.

01:10:39.940 So the person who's more certain than any of us is not a doctor.

01:10:42.900 Correct.

01:10:43.280 She is a reporter for The New York Times, and amazingly, she still has her job despite so many embarrassing reports that they've had to take down.

01:10:51.820 Hold on.

01:10:52.780 Let's call it what it is.

01:10:54.080 Misinformation.

01:10:54.600 Yeah.

01:10:54.860 I mean.

01:10:55.300 It's misinformation.

01:10:56.240 With a capital M.

01:10:56.880 If that's what we're going to call being wrong, we call them being right misinformation, by the way.

01:11:01.880 So what are we going to call being wrong?

01:11:03.640 She just runs with it.

01:11:04.780 I mean, she doesn't even pause anymore, notwithstanding her many misinformation incidents.

01:11:09.180 Her name is Apoorva Mandevili.

01:11:11.920 And this is the person who grossly overstated the number of children who were hospitalized by a factor of like 900 times thanks to COVID.

01:11:20.380 I mean, over and over again, she makes mistakes to be charitable, and they're always in the direction of COVID hysteria.

01:11:27.780 Of course.

01:11:28.160 So she's still on the beat.

01:11:30.160 Just a couple days ago in The New York Times, she prints, feeling terrible about your COVID shot, then it's probably working.

01:11:36.520 And she goes on about how it just means you have a vigorous immune response and you have more antibodies.

01:11:42.240 And somebody who we both really love and respect, Vinay Prasad, one of the good doctors on COVID.

01:11:49.000 He's not a lunatic one way or the other.

01:11:51.400 He's been so measured.

01:11:52.480 He is an oncologist.

01:11:54.000 He's an academic oncologist who I found years before COVID.

01:11:57.860 He had a podcast called Plenary Sessions where he would evaluate medical literature.

01:12:03.620 He is clairvoyant, and I don't mean literally, but his ability to penetrate medical literature.

01:12:08.420 It caught me right away when I found that podcast five years ago.

01:12:12.240 And then he became a rational skeptic in regards to COVID.

01:12:18.180 And now he's been on the warpath a little bit lately.

01:12:20.240 He's great.

01:12:20.800 Well, now he sees.

01:12:21.640 I mean, now we have the evidence of how wrong everybody was, and he was on it.

01:12:25.480 So he tweets out, Dear New York Times, this is an appeal to the real journalists and editors who work there.

01:12:29.700 Please take a look at the several articles I have written about errors by Apoorva Mandevili.

01:12:33.960 These are basic journalistic errors that mislead the public.

01:12:36.360 Come on.

01:12:37.340 You must want to be balanced.

01:12:38.740 Oh, Vinay.

01:12:39.820 Anyway, journalism is not just advocacy for the misguided.

01:12:42.920 And then he goes on to say, please look at her articles more closely.

01:12:46.040 Sincerely, a concerned doctor and researcher.

01:12:49.620 They don't want to be balanced.

01:12:52.280 They don't care about misleading the public.

01:12:54.700 Notwithstanding, Dr. Drew, I do listen to their podcast the daily, usually most mornings,

01:12:59.620 because I like to get my news from the left and the right.

01:13:01.240 And I heard this.

01:13:03.340 This was not part of the actual podcast.

01:13:04.740 This is like a promotional ad that was run in between content.

01:13:07.760 Listen to what they said just today.

01:13:12.000 I'm Brian Rosenthal.

01:13:13.620 I'm an investigative reporter at The New York Times.

01:13:17.200 The New York Times does not publish until we can prove that something is true.

01:13:21.960 They do not publish until they can prove something is true.

01:13:28.980 Has that been your experience with Apoorva Mendevely and COVID and anybody at The New York

01:13:33.000 Times?

01:13:33.340 It's why I stopped reading The New York Times.

01:13:35.620 I started realizing I was being misled a lot of the time.

01:13:39.900 And that is an astonishing statement that they could say that.

01:13:43.740 And by the way, prove that something is true, that already is that irrational certainty.

01:13:48.700 We can ascend to the truth.

01:13:51.060 We cannot prove the truth.

01:13:53.560 And by the way, I could just got to talk about that all day.

01:13:56.780 But that is disgusting, frankly.

01:13:58.860 And when I got first thoroughly disgusted with The New York Times is when their editorial

01:14:03.620 board demanded lockdown, demanded.

01:14:06.720 And I thought, why do you have a seat at the table?

01:14:10.020 You suddenly you've learned about this non-pharmacological intervention and you have an opinion about it.

01:14:15.960 You should not.

01:14:16.600 Same thing happened with the medications that became words that you were unable to speak.

01:14:22.860 Literally, if you spoke the word of certain medication names, you'd be deplatformed.

01:14:27.840 Yeah, that's right.

01:14:28.800 And now they're being recommended.

01:14:30.260 Yeah.

01:14:31.020 Yeah.

01:14:31.420 And these are inert medicines.

01:14:33.440 They're nothing.

01:14:34.400 And I remind people that, can I say the I word?

01:14:37.340 Am I allowed to say it?

01:14:37.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:38.140 You can go for it.

01:14:38.920 Say it loud and proud.

01:14:39.660 If you're an asylum seeker for other countries, the CDC requires you to take five days of

01:14:44.280 ivermectin.

01:14:45.480 You're immediately given the ivermectin for five days because it's nothing.

01:14:48.920 And hydroxychloroquine, that's a medicine that we as physicians are told to keep our lupus

01:14:53.940 patients on during pregnancy.

01:14:56.000 That is the only medication I'm aware of that is recommended to continue during pregnancy.

01:15:00.400 I mean, just blanket.

01:15:01.660 I don't think pregnant women should do anything to their biology personally.

01:15:06.400 That just makes me nervous.

01:15:08.080 But here's a medication that people who just learned to speak, pronounce the word, had massive

01:15:14.820 certain opinions about it.

01:15:16.500 We should be very unhappy with that.

01:15:19.200 And this is more of the same with what she's doing.

01:15:21.860 And it's not just, of course, the New York Times.

01:15:24.000 You know, we talked on the show recently about Travis Kelsey, the football player out there.

01:15:29.240 He says, I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer.

01:15:31.460 Great.

01:15:31.780 I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer.

01:15:32.940 He's pimping out the Pfizer vaccine.

01:15:34.700 I had criticism for him because who watches Travis Kelsey?

01:15:37.700 It's young men.

01:15:38.420 That's who looks at him as a hero.

01:15:41.120 Those are the least likely to need it and the most likely to be hurt by all these, you

01:15:45.580 know, the seventh booster.

01:15:47.160 And this is something Vinay Prasad's been doing a very good job of calling attention to,

01:15:50.160 the risk of myocarditis in young men.

01:15:52.640 And this is, and I got some blowback for it.

01:15:54.080 I mean, nothing, you've been there.

01:15:55.340 But the point is, like, the people who are mad that I was criticizing this were like,

01:16:00.860 the vaccines have saved far more people than they've hurt.

01:16:05.600 And many more people get myocarditis from the vaccine than get it, or they get it from

01:16:11.620 COVID than get it from the vaccine.

01:16:14.260 And my point has been, okay, at this point in 2023, almost 2024, everyone's had COVID.

01:16:21.860 Correct.

01:16:22.200 These vaccines don't prevent the spread.

01:16:23.700 So if you have natural immunity, why, and most people have had shots.

01:16:28.400 So at this point, if you are a 19-year-old man who's looking up to Travis Kelsey, you may

01:16:33.080 have had a vaccine and you almost definitely had COVID, why the hell would you get another

01:16:36.600 booster increasing your risk of heart scarring?

01:16:39.060 Why would you do that?

01:16:40.460 Well, there's a lot packed into that.

01:16:41.920 And let me just conclude my little diatribe about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

01:16:46.420 I'm not fans of those medicines.

01:16:47.620 I don't think they do much.

01:16:48.580 We have a different medicine that works like crazy.

01:16:50.840 I use it to my elderly patients all the time.

01:16:53.680 It is called Paxlovid.

01:16:54.980 And if you're so worried about having a severe episode of COVID and you're a 40-year-old male,

01:17:00.720 let's say, you need not worry about that now because we have Paxlovid.

01:17:04.400 Now, it's only been studied over 60 and 65, but people are using it, middle-aged people,

01:17:07.960 all the time.

01:17:08.480 And it works.

01:17:09.540 So why the push for the vaccine?

01:17:11.900 Why the mandates for the vaccine?

01:17:14.040 And that is the part that is extraordinary.

01:17:15.780 So I want to fill in some of the details of what you were just saying.

01:17:18.940 We don't know.

01:17:20.260 Well, let's say it's true that you're more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the

01:17:25.820 vaccine, which is not clear.

01:17:27.320 That's not clear.

01:17:28.660 Making a healthy person sick because of something, an intervention we do as physicians, do no harm,

01:17:35.760 is completely violated by that principle.

01:17:38.060 It's by the COVID vaccine.

01:17:40.140 The principle is violated.

01:17:41.520 So we are making a healthy person sick.

01:17:44.640 Okay, that is a problem.

01:17:46.340 Number two, it's more common than we thought.

01:17:49.360 And if you remember when this was starting to percolate up, people were like, well, it's

01:17:54.980 mild, it's mild, it's no big deal.

01:17:56.340 It's self-limited, blah, blah.

01:17:57.780 Look, in my world, throughout my entire career, 40-year career, myocarditis is a medical emergency.

01:18:02.680 It's a dire problem.

01:18:04.460 And a publication just came out five days ago in circulation, a major cardiology journal.

01:18:10.120 It's called circulation, an excellent study.

01:18:13.220 And it showed, it took my breath away.

01:18:14.680 I didn't know why it wasn't headline news.

01:18:16.660 I suppose it has to be reproduced, which I totally endorse.

01:18:19.560 But the study itself took my breath away.

01:18:22.000 It was a large study.

01:18:22.940 And it showed that about approximately half of the young males that got myocarditis had

01:18:28.140 permanent heart damage, permanent.

01:18:31.280 That means that we don't know what percentage are going to be disabled by this as they get

01:18:36.220 older, are going to develop heart failure, or are going to need cardiac transplants,

01:18:39.760 some of them.

01:18:41.280 It's breathtaking, this study.

01:18:43.380 And why it wasn't a big headline, I've sort of centered around a little bit, because I don't

01:18:46.980 understand why people aren't reacting to it.

01:18:48.580 And one study does not truth make, right?

01:18:50.980 You want to be skeptical.

01:18:51.920 You should be.

01:18:52.440 It needs to be reproduced.

01:18:53.400 But this was a terrible, terrible thing.

01:18:57.000 So my question is, and by the way, just for the fuller record, my elderly patients are all

01:19:01.880 fully vaccinated.

01:19:02.560 And those that want the boosters, they get the boosters.

01:19:04.620 I've seen almost no adverse event in the elderly patients.

01:19:07.340 So some of them are starting to say that maybe something is going on, but we're watching

01:19:10.980 that.

01:19:11.760 And they benefit because elderly people have a lot to gain.

01:19:15.180 You're 85 years old and you get COVID.

01:19:17.360 It's a serious thing.

01:19:18.280 So the risk of the vaccine is worth it.

01:19:21.480 In a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing.

01:19:25.440 So the risk is, so the vaccine is all risk.

01:19:28.880 Why the push?

01:19:30.300 Why are we pushing?

01:19:31.240 And I think, put your legal head on for a second, that universities are going to be

01:19:36.500 a big trouble for having mandated young people to get that vaccine because people are going

01:19:40.000 to get sick and they're going to have long-term consequences and they should sue those schools

01:19:43.220 for having forced them to take a medical intervention.

01:19:46.160 I agree with that.

01:19:46.300 100% they should sue.

01:19:47.300 And if anybody tries to force you from this point forward, get a fake card.

01:19:50.660 It's not that hard.

01:19:51.540 Go ahead.

01:19:51.860 Google it.

01:19:52.500 Get a fake card.

01:19:53.660 And again, we have a good treatment.

01:19:56.140 We have Paxlovid.

01:19:57.100 Why?

01:19:57.740 And people have all kinds of feelings.

01:19:58.780 You have to say you've gotten the shot to get in.

01:20:01.640 Get a fake one.

01:20:02.680 Just Google it on the internet.

01:20:03.840 It's bullshit.

01:20:04.820 If they're going to create these bullshit rules, you can create your bullshit way around

01:20:07.720 them.

01:20:08.080 It's all just like a theater.

01:20:09.780 So let's, okay, let's act.

01:20:11.120 I'll act like I've gotten my 50th booster and you can act like you're satisfied.

01:20:15.020 I'm telling you the truth.

01:20:16.600 Okay.

01:20:18.260 Sorry.

01:20:18.880 That's how I feel.

01:20:20.040 We've got some guests in the studio.

01:20:21.440 They're on my side.

01:20:22.040 Just consult with the attorney here if you get into any trouble.

01:20:24.980 Yeah, that's right.

01:20:25.460 I got you.

01:20:26.540 I do want to talk about, you know, deaths because every other week, you know, there's

01:20:34.040 somebody in the news who had like a heart attack and went down on a football field or

01:20:38.200 in a baseball field or just in the news or what have you, men and women.

01:20:41.520 And, you know, my friends and I are having this debate, you know, is it more than it's

01:20:46.680 ever been or are we just seeing it more because of social media and because people are, you

01:20:51.600 know, they're on edge thanks to all the COVID vaccinations and COVID itself.

01:20:56.040 What's your take on that?

01:20:58.760 Excess deaths are up.

01:21:00.280 They're up in people under 40.

01:21:03.000 Why is this not an international crisis and why are we not trying to figure out what is

01:21:08.280 in there in those excess deaths and why are they happening?

01:21:12.240 A guy named Ed Dowd I've been working with on my podcast regularly and he's a numbers

01:21:17.120 guy.

01:21:17.620 He's a financial analyst, but he noticed these trends and he has all these actuarial friends

01:21:21.920 and insurance companies friends and they're telling him, oh, yes, there's a problem.

01:21:25.280 We're going to be just follow the money.

01:21:27.080 They're going to start charging more insurance to compensate for this.

01:21:30.820 So there is something going on.

01:21:33.700 People are quick to dismiss it as, oh, well, of course, the lockdowns caused mental health

01:21:37.860 problems and the substance use and the fentanyl, but surely are in there.

01:21:41.060 But when they have teased it out a bit, that's not all that's in there.

01:21:45.860 There's a lot more stuff going on.

01:21:48.140 And why are people not urgently?

01:21:50.620 The level of, by the way, excess deaths, it's not like it was during the pandemic, but

01:21:54.400 usually after a pandemic, excess death goes down because vulnerable people die in the

01:21:58.160 pandemic.

01:21:59.120 And so those people that would have died in the following year don't die.

01:22:03.040 But it's gone up and stayed up.

01:22:05.640 It's shocking.

01:22:07.200 And people correlate it with the, this is a correlation, not a causation.

01:22:10.740 Be careful, everybody.

01:22:11.720 You can track it to the beginning of the distribution of the vaccine.

01:22:15.380 What do you know about blood clots and women?

01:22:18.180 Because, you know, now we are getting reports of irregular menstrual cycles.

01:22:22.560 Correct.

01:22:23.320 Confirmed.

01:22:23.780 Like excessive bleeding by women after they take the vaccine.

01:22:27.120 Even the officials are now acknowledging this.

01:22:30.080 And I think, you know, that gets a lot of women thinking about, like, if it's changing

01:22:33.340 the blood in my body and, you know, does that mean it's changing my clotting?

01:22:38.520 And, you know, do I have to worry about that?

01:22:41.000 First of all, I want to talk about the women part of this because I am dead guilty on this.

01:22:47.020 I was talking to Naomi Wolf and she brought this up and I went, Naomi, women's periods,

01:22:52.000 almost anything changes.

01:22:53.220 Come on, come on.

01:22:53.860 Yes, they got a treatment.

01:22:55.240 And, yeah, okay.

01:22:56.780 Do you realize how sexist that is when a male does that?

01:22:59.420 It's not sexist.

01:23:00.360 I raised this with Brett Weinstein.

01:23:02.320 I poo-pooed him raising this early in the pandemic and I'm pro-woman.

01:23:06.000 Well, good.

01:23:06.620 You're making me feel better.

01:23:07.540 I felt very guilty for that because I was dismissive and I should have just listened and take.

01:23:12.440 And she's made a lot of it.

01:23:13.960 And it turns out it's true, number one, and a lot of women are having real concerns about

01:23:20.180 it because it's persistent enough that it's affecting fertility and the mechanisms are

01:23:24.920 not yet fully worked out.

01:23:26.120 They've found spike protein in the ovaries.

01:23:27.900 It accumulates there.

01:23:28.800 They think that might be part of it.

01:23:30.340 Liquid nanoparticles, the shell of the vaccine is also found in the ovaries.

01:23:37.120 As well, they're finding, as you're suggesting, microclots in the uterus that might be increasing

01:23:41.400 to the sloughing.

01:23:42.020 We don't know yet because no one's doing the right studies.

01:23:45.640 And there is some, here's another issue you probably don't know, but it has me more,

01:23:49.480 as a physician, almost more concerned than anything.

01:23:52.040 And I've talked to RFK Jr. about this and he is clear that something is up.

01:23:57.260 There's something up with the major medical journals where the editorial process has become

01:24:01.680 adulterated.

01:24:02.260 In my 40-year career, I read the medical, I pore over it, I read it carefully.

01:24:08.820 And there's always, has been, there has always been a back and forth on any topic in the medical

01:24:13.760 literature.

01:24:14.200 It's not, things don't go automatically to the truth, as we were saying earlier.

01:24:18.100 There's a back and forth in the literature.

01:24:20.140 This is so, it is not so.

01:24:22.140 The look, the status looking encouraging.

01:24:23.800 The status looks not so encouraging.

01:24:24.980 It has gone one way since the beginning of COVID and ne'er the tween shall meet.

01:24:31.420 You're not allowed to bring up anything else.

01:24:33.100 Great example of this was that Danish physician that did the study on the fact that early on

01:24:39.740 in the distribution of the COVID vaccine, 10% of the vials of the product was responsible

01:24:48.060 for 90% of the adverse effects.

01:24:50.340 There was an excellent done study.

01:24:51.480 Wow.

01:24:51.700 Took her two years to get that published.

01:24:53.240 An excellent, they should have been running to try to figure out, well, what happened here?

01:24:56.960 What's going on?

01:24:57.640 Why did this happen?

01:24:58.600 Instead, they're like, oh, no, no, no.

01:25:00.380 Nothing to see here.

01:25:01.700 So there's something up.

01:25:02.720 So you've got the medical journals, for sure.

01:25:04.840 I mean, we saw that just in the, you know, willingness to run cover for Dr. Fauci.

01:25:09.000 No lab leak.

01:25:09.760 No lab leak.

01:25:10.380 No, that's racist.

01:25:10.900 Well, that was nature, though.

01:25:11.860 That was a scientific journal.

01:25:13.300 But Lancet, publishing that article, what was it?

01:25:15.640 They invented an organization that, it was nonsense, total nonsense.

01:25:19.600 So you've got those publications.

01:25:21.580 You've got, of course, the New York Times and the mainstream media.

01:25:24.300 That's still, you know, it's still controversial for me to say, why is he being a Pfizer poster

01:25:28.820 boy?

01:25:29.200 You know, why is he telling young men that they need their sixth booster?

01:25:32.060 It's BS.

01:25:33.080 No, all the pushback.

01:25:33.980 You're not allowed to say that.

01:25:35.520 And that leads us, not to mention the undermining of public health trust.

01:25:39.600 That's gone.

01:25:40.520 And like I said earlier, the media.

01:25:42.220 I don't trust anything now about Israel.

01:25:45.060 I can't trust anything about anything.

01:25:46.240 Right.

01:25:46.660 So the hangover from the dishonesty here is still with us to the point where you sat

01:25:52.300 down and said, my first instinct is, are they trying to hurt me?

01:25:55.160 What are they doing to me?

01:25:56.540 They're manipulating me.

01:25:57.420 What are they doing?

01:25:58.100 What are they doing to me?

01:25:59.160 I feel manipulated.

01:26:00.420 What's happening?

01:26:01.260 So if you were, let's say, you know, we get a different president elected there in 2024

01:26:05.220 and they called you up and said, Dr. Drew, how do we rebuild this?

01:26:07.820 Oh, is there is there a way?

01:26:09.320 Is it too late?

01:26:11.280 Well, RFKJ needs to win.

01:26:13.120 Well, he said something that caught my attention.

01:26:15.580 Again, I don't know who I'm going to vote for.

01:26:17.220 I'm so moderate.

01:26:19.620 I'm swimming in all this myself.

01:26:21.680 I can't pick a direction, frankly.

01:26:23.400 But he said something that caught my attention.

01:26:24.880 He said, I'm going to call the three major medical journals in and I'm going to say,

01:26:29.060 I'm going to prosecute under the RICO laws unless you clean this up and tell me exactly

01:26:33.160 why you've been this way and what's going on and what's motivating you and what your financial

01:26:37.460 interests are and who's been muscling you.

01:26:39.380 And then I'll think about not prosecuting you.

01:26:41.440 Oh, that's exciting.

01:26:42.340 That's good, right?

01:26:43.160 Yeah, he's a lawyer.

01:26:44.100 He could still do it even if he was not president, by the way.

01:26:46.800 Well, and at least DeSantis said he would make him in charge of some agency or use him in

01:26:51.680 the DeSantis administration.

01:26:53.100 I don't know about Trump.

01:26:53.640 They're getting ready to unleash hell on RFKJ with some sort of oppo research dump because

01:26:57.680 he's worried about him stealing from him if he becomes the GOP nominee as running independent

01:27:02.040 or libertarian, what have you.

01:27:03.860 In any event.

01:27:04.780 I'm actually, to full disclosure, I'm moderating a panel with him on October 28th in San Jose

01:27:09.860 with him and Asim Malhotra.

01:27:11.420 Have you interviewed Asim yet?

01:27:12.320 No.

01:27:12.620 Cardiologists who started raising the flags about the cardiac effects of the vaccine

01:27:16.380 early.

01:27:17.500 And so-

01:27:17.820 So I'm interested in what you just said.

01:27:18.920 Are you considering voting for Joe Biden?

01:27:21.080 No.

01:27:23.320 Yeah.

01:27:23.620 I was like, how?

01:27:24.700 I'm sort of considering not voting, I think is what I'm considering.

01:27:30.340 I know.

01:27:30.680 Really.

01:27:31.140 I don't feel like I'm- I just feel awash in all of this.

01:27:35.380 Steyerwalt was on the show last week and he said, Chris Steyerwalt, and he said, there's

01:27:38.460 a Republican party and there's a Democrat party and then there's a certain amount of Americans

01:27:41.540 in the I want to puke party.

01:27:43.100 That's me.

01:27:43.860 Yeah.

01:27:44.100 I've been independent for a long time.

01:27:46.060 Good to see you.

01:27:46.120 In California, you can re-register every 10 minutes if you want.

01:27:48.800 So I've registered all over the place many, many times.

01:27:51.140 But I've generally been independent.

01:27:52.220 The problem with independent is they stick you in the independent party, which is a different

01:27:55.340 thing.

01:27:55.840 You have to really make sure-

01:27:57.080 They can't vote in primaries.

01:27:57.860 Exactly.

01:27:58.460 Yeah.

01:27:59.200 But I don't- I just- I'm just sitting here looking at the excesses on both sides and I'm

01:28:05.720 want to puke.

01:28:06.800 I know.

01:28:07.600 The thing is, it's like, I've got my problems with Trump for sure.

01:28:11.180 His temperament, infamously, that's what I asked him about and that's one of them.

01:28:14.600 But you think about what's happening right now with Israel and, like, does anybody believe

01:28:18.400 this would have happened had Trump been in office?

01:28:20.320 I don't believe that for one second.

01:28:21.700 I think we were safer.

01:28:23.040 It would have been different.

01:28:23.920 That's for sure.

01:28:24.640 They're afraid of him.

01:28:25.480 He's too unsteady, which is a good thing when it comes to foreign policy.

01:28:28.460 It may not be so great when it comes to his Twitter feed and, you know, keeping the American

01:28:32.400 psyche at ease over the course of the presidency.

01:28:34.900 But when it comes to foreign policy, that same destabilizing effect he has on us, he has

01:28:39.620 on them.

01:28:40.180 Yeah.

01:28:40.420 And that's good.

01:28:41.140 Yeah.

01:28:41.400 You know, so I, I mean, and, but I just feel like with Joe Biden, I feel like his foreign

01:28:46.580 policy has been an absolute disaster and I, you know, I've become a single issue voter

01:28:50.440 on the, the transing of children, like the, what the, the surgeries on children before

01:28:54.920 they hit age 18 just seem absolutely barbaric to me.

01:28:58.820 Well, I, my, my fundamental position on that is that these are medical interventions, the

01:29:04.620 surgeries, the medication, the hormones.

01:29:06.620 These are doctors prescribing surgeons executing the surgeries and I've seen them benefit people.

01:29:13.380 I have, I, you, you have to be very open to the idea that, that there are certain people

01:29:18.580 for whom these interventions are beneficial.

01:29:20.440 I've also seen disasters, which means that we aren't getting it right as doctors.

01:29:25.400 We're, we have not picked the right treatment for the right patient.

01:29:29.140 I don't think the doctors are even trying.

01:29:30.140 Most of them are just, they're on the knee.

01:29:31.840 That's a much bigger problem.

01:29:33.100 If we don't get it clear that not every patient is the same, not every treatment is the same,

01:29:38.940 you have to get the right treatment for the right patient in the right order at the right

01:29:43.000 time in their life.

01:29:43.860 And that is on us.

01:29:45.300 And when we do harm, again, this do no, do no harm has been cast out the window in the

01:29:50.420 last five years.

01:29:51.320 It's, it's just, I, I live by that and that's just simply gone now.

01:29:56.520 And so you have to pick a side and pick a narrative and forge on.

01:30:02.380 And that is where people get hurt, both on the COVID side and on the transition side.

01:30:06.420 So rounding back to, you know, what you were saying about the ongoing depression and so

01:30:09.360 on coming out of COVID and these sort of deaths of despair that we've seen.

01:30:12.880 And now the Israel thing, people are, I'm sure, feeling down, depressed.

01:30:17.600 Like this, the news cycle can do that to you.

01:30:20.180 Nevermind your COVID hangover and the changes to your life.

01:30:23.120 So what are people, what should people do?

01:30:24.880 Like what, what are some things they can think about doing?

01:30:28.900 I hinted at it earlier, which was, uh, spend time with people you care about.

01:30:33.560 That, that is how humans heal.

01:30:35.400 That is how humans find meaning.

01:30:36.900 Can I tell you something?

01:30:37.820 So I've been like trying to avoid my children because I've just been in such a dark mood.

01:30:42.000 I don't want.

01:30:42.600 Well, that's a little different.

01:30:43.340 I don't want to be like the, the pig pen cloud over them.

01:30:45.920 Like it's the world is horrible.

01:30:47.740 No, I understand that.

01:30:48.960 I spend time with other adults before you go to the kids.

01:30:51.940 Yeah.

01:30:52.800 Regulate that stuff.

01:30:53.620 But then when I, like I sit at dinner with them and I hear about their wonderful lives,

01:30:56.400 my daughter's in a school play.

01:30:57.940 And you're like, then I'm like, oh, yes, this is good.

01:31:00.580 This is good.

01:31:01.320 But I shouldn't speak.

01:31:02.180 I should just let them speak.

01:31:03.100 Well, that's good.

01:31:05.120 That's good.

01:31:05.640 And it's few, it's feeding them and you, right?

01:31:07.880 It's doing both.

01:31:09.080 But it's, it's perspective taking.

01:31:10.920 It's, it's, it's being grateful for what you have.

01:31:13.240 It's having faith in something greater than yourself.

01:31:15.400 These are all basic principles that humans need to be healthy.

01:31:19.560 And I've noticed, you know, I come in and out of this city all the time and I've noticed

01:31:23.340 things are not good here.

01:31:24.860 Things are changing.

01:31:25.600 And I think, and the Israel thing put everybody even more on edge.

01:31:28.780 But I also noticed people forging ahead.

01:31:31.540 I hope they continue, that businesses are still opening.

01:31:35.240 People are going out to the restaurants.

01:31:36.720 People are spending that time and breaking bread with other people.

01:31:40.460 That to me, I, it just hit me last night because I was feeling all the negative up until last

01:31:44.400 night and I was looking around and thought, no, there's something, there's, there's a driving

01:31:47.760 force here.

01:31:48.240 I'm not sure.

01:31:49.320 I'll tell you my full thought.

01:31:50.540 My full thought was that's people in their middle ages.

01:31:54.400 That's sort of, it's not the younger folk.

01:31:57.320 They're, I don't know what's going on with them.

01:31:58.980 We got, we got to get them onto the ship here.

01:32:01.180 They need to start having more sex.

01:32:03.000 That would help.

01:32:04.200 That would really, I can talk all about that too.

01:32:05.800 They're not having any sex.

01:32:06.900 That's what all the studies show.

01:32:07.940 That's correct.

01:32:08.880 It's depressing.

01:32:09.380 It's depressing.

01:32:10.340 It's astonishing.

01:32:11.720 There's a lot.

01:32:12.580 You want us to go down that road?

01:32:13.700 Because there's a lot in there.

01:32:14.440 How much time do we have, Steve?

01:32:15.560 Just make sure how, I know.

01:32:16.740 Two minutes?

01:32:17.480 Okay.

01:32:17.780 Two minutes.

01:32:18.020 He's holding up for two.

01:32:18.720 He's good.

01:32:19.180 So, so, cause I have millennial kids and stuff and I was around all the millennials.

01:32:23.200 It's, it started with the males wanting to be good, good guys.

01:32:27.500 They didn't want to be seen as toxic.

01:32:28.960 They didn't want to be seen as predatory.

01:32:30.360 And this was all going on when they were in high school and college.

01:32:32.980 And certainly they wouldn't want to be seen handing a woman a beer or an alcohol and then

01:32:37.220 talking to them because, because you could be seen as predatory.

01:32:40.360 And as a result, they missed some of the milestones of development, of forming relationships,

01:32:47.000 of learning how to date.

01:32:48.160 These are healthy things that they just missed because they were just hunkered down and frightened

01:32:53.180 and fearful of being seen as somehow toxic, a toxic male.

01:32:57.480 So, they, I started seeing some things happen a few years ago by the time they hit their

01:33:01.140 sort of mid to late twenties, they would get obsessed about somebody.

01:33:04.380 They didn't know how to sort of measure a relationship and whether it's going to work.

01:33:08.860 They would just start, they become their best friend and start stalking to them.

01:33:12.100 Any of you in your thirties that has a best friend male, he's stalking you.

01:33:14.920 Trust me.

01:33:15.620 Is there some of that involved?

01:33:17.180 Not that he's a bad stalker.

01:33:18.440 He's a good stalker.

01:33:19.180 But, but he's really wants to be a, your boyfriend and he doesn't know how to do it.

01:33:23.680 And so, this is, this is all what's underneath some of that.

01:33:27.220 And of course, having sex then is ultimately how they get themselves in trouble.

01:33:30.560 So, they're very careful about that.

01:33:32.340 Well, I mean, look, I, I like a committed relationship.

01:33:35.620 I don't, I don't, I know.

01:33:36.460 Yeah, me too.

01:33:37.060 No, no.

01:33:37.460 But to get there, you have to be, learn how to form and break relationships and know who

01:33:42.120 you are.

01:33:42.340 No, but this is what I was going to say.

01:33:43.360 Like, just because, like, if you're worried about seeming toxic, get to know the girl, take her

01:33:47.020 out on dates, like develop a relationship.

01:33:48.680 Already bad.

01:33:49.500 Date.

01:33:49.820 The word date.

01:33:50.460 No, no, no, no.

01:33:50.940 We don't do that.

01:33:51.520 We don't do that.

01:33:51.960 And by the way, you also need to have your heart broken.

01:33:54.340 It's an important part of becoming a functioning adult.

01:33:56.540 Yes.

01:33:56.840 Correct.

01:33:57.040 And developing empathy and cutting you down from being, thinking you're all that in a

01:34:01.100 biscuit, right?

01:34:01.560 You need to, like, have a couple of humbling experiences along the way, whether they're

01:34:05.640 in the bedroom or on the way.

01:34:07.440 Correct.

01:34:09.100 Dr. Drew, so fun.

01:34:10.540 Yes.

01:34:10.820 Thank you.

01:34:11.200 Pleasure.

01:34:11.380 Thanks for helping us laugh.

01:34:12.440 So, so great to see you in person of all this time.

01:34:14.740 So, privilege.

01:34:15.280 Oh, and don't forget to tune in to the Dr. Drew show.

01:34:18.880 He had Rob Schneider on there yesterday, who also got in trouble on the COVID nonsense.

01:34:23.000 We went over the New York Times article that vilified both of us, and we were right on every

01:34:27.400 single point.

01:34:28.180 It was crazy.

01:34:29.240 Right again.

01:34:30.200 All right, Dr. Drew, all the best.

01:34:31.440 Great to see you.

01:34:35.160 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:34:37.320 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:34:45.280 What?

01:34:47.060 Yeah.

01:34:49.200 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly.

01:34:53.560 Mm-hmm.

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America's Vulnerabilities, Anti-Semitism Reality, and Trauma of War, with Glenn Beck, Dr. Drew, and Eli Lake ｜ Ep. 645

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