The Megyn Kelly Show - American Freed by Trump, John Oliver's Outrageous Segment, and Saving Your Marriage, with Stu Burguiere, and Jason and Erica Redman

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.460 Oh, this morning, our staff, along with the world, woke up to incredible news involving a story we brought to you on Monday.

00:00:24.300 That ballerina we told you about, Cassinia Carolina, she's on her way home.

00:00:30.380 It's like, it's unbelievable. It's a miracle. I can't believe it. I'm so thrilled.

00:00:35.760 I'm so grateful to President Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

00:00:40.280 She has dual citizenship, Russian and American. She's an amateur ballerina over here.

00:00:45.760 And for the last 15 months, she has been wrongfully detained in Russia on these trumped up bogus charges.

00:00:53.460 And now she's free. This morning, Secretary of State Marco Rubio posting to X, quote,

00:00:58.820 American Cassinia Carolina is on a plane back home to the United States.

00:01:03.720 She was wrongfully detained by Russia for over a year, and President Trump secured her release.

00:01:08.000 The President of the United States will continue to work for the release of all Americans.

00:01:12.420 Last August, Cassinia was convicted, again, these are ridiculous charges, in Russia, as she visited family there, of state treason and handed a 12-year prison sentence in a Russian labor camp.

00:01:29.240 Her crime, she donated $51 two years prior, while in the United States, as a U.S. citizen, to a U.S.-based nonprofit that helps children and elderly impacted by the war in Ukraine.

00:01:44.200 $50, you guys.

00:01:45.980 The details of what happened to her are downright frightening.

00:01:51.260 So she traveled to Russia for the first time in three years to visit her elderly grandmother.

00:01:56.880 Her family still lives over there.

00:01:58.480 First, she was detained for 16 hours at the airport for interrogation.

00:02:02.860 She never even made it past the airport.

00:02:04.580 Under suspicion, she might be some sort of a spy.

00:02:07.560 Then she was released, but they kept her phone.

00:02:10.160 And boy, oh boy, did they go through it.

00:02:11.560 That's how they found this payment on her Venmo.

00:02:15.260 And they found the receipt of this donation.

00:02:17.340 On Monday, and by the way, and then they charged her.

00:02:20.580 First, they accused her of hooliganism.

00:02:24.960 That's what they charged.

00:02:26.120 And then they upped the ante to treason, which you can go to jail for a long, long time for.

00:02:31.640 Originally, it was like 15 years.

00:02:32.700 And then they were talking about a life sentence.

00:02:34.660 And they strong-armed her into copying a plea because she didn't want to go to jail forever.

00:02:40.580 They were like, well, you can go to jail for maybe five years if you say you did this.

00:02:45.420 And she didn't think she had any options.

00:02:48.020 So she did.

00:02:48.920 And they gave her a 12-year sentence.

00:02:52.240 On Monday, I mean, literally four days ago, we had a long interview with Ksenia's boyfriend,

00:02:58.560 Chris Van Yerden.

00:03:00.200 Chris is a former international boxing organization welterweight world champion who retired from the

00:03:05.840 sport last year to work full-time on getting Ksenia home.

00:03:11.380 See, he had paid for her to take the trip as a Christmas gift so she could see her family.

00:03:17.040 And he spoke to us on Monday about the charges she faced.

00:03:21.680 $51.

00:03:23.160 After they took her phone, they sent her back to her family.

00:03:26.840 So they released it to her family and they said, you're not allowed to leave here, Katerenburg.

00:03:31.500 You will hear from us.

00:03:33.160 And we now know within the three weeks from January 2nd until January 27th, they investigated

00:03:40.820 every single thing on her cell phone.

00:03:42.900 This is where they came across the Venmo, $51 on Venmo, charges for treason, funding the

00:03:48.940 enemy state.

00:03:49.920 That's what she was charging for, funding the enemy state, buying weapons.

00:03:54.560 Um, and if you know, I started laughing and crying in the same time because it was like,

00:04:01.160 if you know my Ksenia, she is the sweetest, kindest person you'll meet.

00:04:07.620 She goes out of her way to do good for people.

00:04:11.520 She hates seeing people hurt.

00:04:13.780 So you can imagine elderly people, young kids without food and water.

00:04:18.640 She would be the first to donate money.

00:04:20.380 Chris also described the very harsh prison conditions she was facing in Siberia.

00:04:28.600 He told us that while Ksenia is mentally strong, she was signaling in letters that she did not

00:04:34.820 expect to survive the full sentence over there.

00:04:37.840 She's in a labor camp, right?

00:04:39.520 So she's with her dad.

00:04:40.760 She wakes up at 6 a.m. in the morning.

00:04:43.080 She works till 9 p.m. at night.

00:04:45.740 She gets two 15-minute breaks in between for lunch or coffee break or to brush her teeth

00:04:52.840 or whatever.

00:04:56.080 It's snowing in Siberia, close to where she's held at, close to Siberia.

00:05:01.040 It's snowing.

00:05:01.740 It's freezing, cold out.

00:05:02.740 They're working.

00:05:03.500 There was a moment of her not going to the shower for two weeks.

00:05:05.940 But again, Ksenia, knowing her, she would write to me and she'd go,

00:05:09.600 Babe, your mom, her mother would send her some wipes and stuff.

00:05:14.480 And she was like, I would use the toilet water to clean myself.

00:05:25.080 She's got problems with her legs.

00:05:26.760 And this worries me.

00:05:27.880 This really worries me.

00:05:29.000 She's now all of a sudden got leg pain.

00:05:31.360 She's got some big veins popping out on her legs from all the standing.

00:05:35.920 She's explaining to me in the letters how she's peeling thousands and thousands of potatoes

00:05:40.720 every day.

00:05:41.640 But you only get a few seconds.

00:05:43.240 There's people yelling and sweating at you all day.

00:05:45.080 And you've got to rush.

00:05:46.460 And then you've got to put the potatoes in the boiling water.

00:05:49.220 So she's got blisters on her hand from the boiling water burning her hands.

00:05:53.440 And she's getting basically no attention.

00:05:57.780 Like, it's harsh.

00:05:58.820 It is, it is.

00:06:01.160 Do you think she could do 12 years in these conditions?

00:06:04.100 No, she cannot.

00:06:07.460 On our show, Chris also sent this message directly to President Trump.

00:06:12.580 I'm on your show, Megan, because I know, I know President Trump has a lot of respects

00:06:18.020 for you.

00:06:18.320 I've watched his interview, I've watched your shows.

00:06:20.180 He takes note to what you say.

00:06:22.480 And I'm on you.

00:06:23.340 And I'm begging.

00:06:24.580 I'm not a begging man.

00:06:26.200 But I'm begging for this girl's life.

00:06:27.920 If it is not looking good for her.

00:06:31.120 And if there's somebody that can bring Ksenia back, it's President Trump.

00:06:34.740 I know it.

00:06:35.900 She's already given up.

00:06:37.700 She's already 90% given up.

00:06:41.120 But we will not give up on her.

00:06:42.700 I will not give up on her.

00:06:43.860 You know, I feel like I'm reliving my dad's experience.

00:06:45.380 President Trump got Mark Fogel home.

00:06:47.800 And I believe he could get Ksenia home, too.

00:06:51.740 Ah, well, message received.

00:06:55.500 And today, for the second time since the start of his second term, President Trump has returned

00:07:00.540 an American from Russian captivity.

00:07:03.480 This is incredible.

00:07:04.480 You heard me mention it there.

00:07:05.240 In February, he brought home American schoolteacher Mark Fogel.

00:07:07.820 So this, like, I can't believe it.

00:07:10.860 We were all just talking about her.

00:07:12.520 We felt totally hopeless a matter of hours ago.

00:07:16.240 And look at this exclusive photo that we have received.

00:07:19.220 This is Ksenia today.

00:07:20.400 Look at this, holding the American flag on the flight back to the United States.

00:07:27.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:07:28.160 This is wonderful.

00:07:29.340 She has the green sweatshirt on.

00:07:31.420 Her father describing to the Daily Mail what happened when Ksenia called him, saying,

00:07:35.920 quote, the first seconds of our chat were all pure emotion.

00:07:38.980 I cannot imagine what we were saying.

00:07:42.060 It was like one explosion of happiness.

00:07:44.680 And a short time ago, we received this statement from Chris.

00:07:47.080 He says, I'm overjoyed to hear the love of my life.

00:07:49.900 Ksenia is on her way home from wrongful detention in Russia.

00:07:54.120 She's endured a nightmare for 15 months, and I cannot wait to hold her.

00:07:58.220 He thanked everybody who has helped to bring attention to this story.

00:08:02.540 He mentioned them on the show the other day as well, in particular, Peter Berg.

00:08:06.940 You remember the guy behind the Friday Night Lights series?

00:08:09.920 And oh, God, he's done so much in Hollywood.

00:08:12.420 But he, I'm trying to remember, he's got some connection to Peter Berg.

00:08:16.360 But oh, I think it might be through his boxing.

00:08:20.260 In any event, he also thanked Dana White, who's been advocating for Ksenia.

00:08:24.640 A lot of people have taken up this cause.

00:08:27.200 It's amazing.

00:08:28.220 It worked.

00:08:29.720 He just, can I just tell you something else?

00:08:32.040 Well, I'll bring this up when I bring Stu on.

00:08:33.400 But listen, Ksenia is going to go to a military hospital when she's back on U.S. soil.

00:08:38.420 And listen, we send her our love and our prayers.

00:08:41.800 And Chris as well.

00:08:42.660 God bless you.

00:08:43.360 What a beautiful love story.

00:08:45.300 I expect to be invited to the wedding.

00:08:48.540 It's unbelievable.

00:08:50.240 And congratulations to Team Trump.

00:08:53.260 Hats off to you.

00:08:54.240 Wow.

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00:10:15.300 Stu, Chris told us—hi, first of all.

00:10:19.060 Chris told us that he had to work hard during the Biden years, because this all happened during Biden,

00:10:27.140 to get them to finally just designate her as wrongfully detained, which was like climbing a mountain.

00:10:33.340 And finally they did it.

00:10:35.200 And then he told us that he just felt that they kept yesing him to death.

00:10:38.460 And that they didn't do anything.

00:10:40.880 He realized too late into her confinement that the Biden administration was not going to do anything to help her, never mind Biden himself.

00:10:50.060 Trump has been in office for two months.

00:10:53.000 He's already gotten—forget outside of Russia.

00:10:56.040 I mean, you know, we saw Rick Grinnell with those prisoners from Venezuela.

00:10:59.100 Venezuela, we've got two American citizens back on American soil, Ksenia almost, from Russia.

00:11:06.600 And this guy—for Ksenia, apparently we traded some guy, some German guy who was 33 years old,

00:11:11.360 who was selling some sort of information about computers to the Russians that he shouldn't have had.

00:11:18.480 So, okay, it's not exactly great, but it's not like, you know, one of the most evil people that we'd have to give up.

00:11:26.080 I mean, no man left behind.

00:11:28.960 No woman left behind.

00:11:30.180 She's one of ours.

00:11:31.200 She has dual citizenship.

00:11:32.680 This is an American who is dying in a Siberian labor camp who was completely forgotten by Joe Biden.

00:11:40.880 What do you make of it?

00:11:41.520 Well, first of all, I mean, you did this interview on Monday.

00:11:45.800 I'm a little disappointed it took you three full days, Megan, to get her home.

00:11:50.460 You know, you've got to step up your game a little bit here.

00:11:54.220 You know, it's an incredible story and a miracle, right?

00:11:57.220 This is a miracle.

00:11:58.300 And you're, of course, right that a lot of people worked on this, including President Trump.

00:12:02.720 One of the things you can say, I think, quite clearly about President Trump in these situations,

00:12:06.280 and he's shown it over and over again, is he actually cares.

00:12:09.340 He this is a totally different approach, I think, than, as you mentioned, Biden.

00:12:16.100 He really cares about this stuff.

00:12:18.340 And because he gets tons and tons of criticism for, you know, his his relationship to Russia.

00:12:24.700 I think if we turn on MSNBC, they'd be telling us about Russiagate right now.

00:12:29.320 But there's benefits to having a relationship that at least you can talk to a country like

00:12:35.940 this that is doing things like this.

00:12:38.020 You know, I have no fan of what Russia did and is doing in Ukraine.

00:12:41.980 I'm no fan, certainly, of them taking our people hostage.

00:12:45.960 But, like, you have to have the ability.

00:12:48.380 It's like a, you know, it's sort of like just being an adult on the world stage.

00:12:52.600 You have to have the ability to go and talk to these nations and be able to have conversations

00:12:56.840 about important things like that.

00:12:58.520 You're never going to agree with everything.

00:13:00.360 With Vladimir Putin, we all understand that they're doing, you know, they're doing things

00:13:04.180 in that country that we don't want done and we think are horrible.

00:13:07.920 But we have to be able to talk to them and at least get, you know, we didn't trade an

00:13:12.420 international terrorist this time, which is a really good, really good outcome.

00:13:16.540 The fact that we can get someone who's totally innocent back here on our soil is a massive,

00:13:21.520 massive win.

00:13:22.720 It's so big.

00:13:23.660 And it's like not just any country, you know, it's like now President Trump says we're going

00:13:28.360 to be meeting one on one with Iran.

00:13:29.800 When Obama first suggested doing that, it sounded crazy because it was clearly a slip.

00:13:34.240 It was something he just kind of popped off with at a debate.

00:13:36.820 And then he got so much blowback he made it U.S. policy.

00:13:39.940 But and now Trump's and I was like, we're all doing that.

00:13:42.160 But the thing about Russia is Russia's huge.

00:13:45.680 Russia is actually a really important player on the world stage for a couple of reasons.

00:13:50.040 I mean, yes, they call it like basically just a gas station, but it's a massive player

00:13:54.120 when it comes to gas, oil, energy, not to mention it's fully armed with nuclear warheads.

00:14:01.840 So it's like there is a lot of upside to having somewhat of a good relationship with Russia.

00:14:07.400 And Trump should not be embarrassed for trying to cultivate that.

00:14:11.020 That's probably why she's on her way home right now.

00:14:14.040 So God bless this couple.

00:14:15.600 God bless Trump, Marco Rubio to all the guys and gals who worked on this.

00:14:19.000 Well done.

00:14:19.800 They they brought one of ours home and I am I'm thrilled about it.

00:14:24.500 OK, let's talk about Trump in general, because it's like two alternate universes reading what

00:14:31.960 he did with the terrorists.

00:14:33.240 The New York Times is completely calling bullshit on him saying this was the strategy all along.

00:14:40.120 He didn't say that really exactly.

00:14:41.320 But Scott Besson said it.

00:14:42.680 Caroline Levitt said it.

00:14:43.820 This is, you know, you're it's art of the deal.

00:14:47.100 He was sort of playing, setting everybody up for this big announcement that really would

00:14:52.000 target and out China as an unfair actor in the end.

00:14:55.500 And then you have.

00:14:58.180 The president's defenders saying, no, that's exactly right.

00:15:01.400 That's that's what he was doing.

00:15:02.640 He was playing chess when everybody else was playing checkers.

00:15:05.280 And then you have Trump himself, who kind of says exactly why he did it in SOT 7 outside

00:15:12.000 of the White House on Wednesday.

00:15:14.260 Thinking about why you decided to put a 90 day pause.

00:15:18.400 Well, I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line.

00:15:22.980 They were getting yippee.

00:15:24.720 You know, they were getting a little bit yippee, a little bit afraid.

00:15:27.900 So, I mean, that's Trump's own explanation, which suggests if it was part of the plan,

00:15:35.620 maybe it got accelerated given, you know, the jitters on the market.

00:15:39.940 And in particular, I don't purport to understand the bond market, but in particular, what was

00:15:44.220 happening with the bond market yesterday, which which I guess could have potentially

00:15:47.720 was so volatile, could have led to a longer and more intractable recession or near recession.

00:15:53.820 Your thoughts on it?

00:15:55.740 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:15:56.640 I mean, I I don't think it was his plan for it to play out this way.

00:16:01.240 You know, I think I would hate to be honestly an aide of President Trump because he just

00:16:05.900 has this way when you go into Washington to be an aide, your your job is to kind of say

00:16:10.320 whatever whatever you can to make things seem as positive as possible.

00:16:14.580 And then a lot of times Donald Trump is like, yeah, I'm just going to tell the truth.

00:16:17.420 So he just comes out and kind of undercuts you.

00:16:20.200 You put it all.

00:16:20.700 That wasn't it at all.

00:16:22.100 Yeah, not at all.

00:16:23.440 Actually, I just thought people were getting yippee.

00:16:25.220 And I think that's true, right?

00:16:26.460 I think one of the strengths of President Trump in situations like this is he's not

00:16:30.640 particularly all that ideological at these moments.

00:16:34.140 And while I think he has a real true belief in in tariff policy, it's something I think

00:16:39.880 is one of the he's been the most consistent on since, you know, gosh, back in the 1980s.

00:16:43.820 I remember this guy talking about it.

00:16:45.940 He also recognizes that there there are downsides.

00:16:49.140 He warned about pain going into that and seeing the reaction of this.

00:16:54.780 He may have thought, too, that the rates would come down.

00:16:57.540 There'd be an additional benefit when they didn't go that way.

00:16:59.780 It did, I think, shake him a little bit.

00:17:02.720 And he was willing to come out and say, look, you know, I think the most important part of

00:17:06.480 this is the China part of it.

00:17:07.840 I'm going to stick by that.

00:17:09.260 Let's give a 90 day.

00:17:10.920 Everyone can take a breather here a little bit here and see where this goes.

00:17:14.800 You know, as a guy who believes in free trade, I'm not a fan of tariff policy.

00:17:19.460 Generally speaking, China, of course, as an adversary, there's a little bit of a difference

00:17:23.920 there.

00:17:24.760 But I think this was the right move for President Trump to remove this.

00:17:29.380 I think it was too widespread.

00:17:31.220 And, you know, there are a lot of good arguments to to change our policy towards China.

00:17:36.820 They do cheat.

00:17:37.620 They are an adversary and they're not they're not out for our best interest.

00:17:40.680 I think such a broad strategy here where everyone, including allies and people who like

00:17:46.680 Israel, who went to zero percent, still tariffing countries like that, I don't think is particularly

00:17:53.000 the right policy.

00:17:54.680 But then again, no one voted for me.

00:17:55.920 They voted for him.

00:17:57.420 Well, and I mean, we have improved our respective positions on trade with numerous countries.

00:18:03.820 There's no question.

00:18:04.960 But we've also rattled the markets worldwide and sent a message that we might not be the

00:18:09.840 most reliable trading partner.

00:18:11.580 You know, we yeah, we can do things like this.

00:18:14.040 So, you know, was it worth it, I guess, is the question that we'll be looking at in the

00:18:17.460 coming days.

00:18:18.260 Here is Scott Besson explaining that this was a long plan.

00:18:23.020 This is all part of the plan yesterday at the White House.

00:18:26.280 As I said, we've given 90 days and the only certainty we can provide is that the U.S.

00:18:32.880 is going to negotiate in good faith.

00:18:34.780 And we assume that our allies will, too.

00:18:37.620 And in terms of certainty, we will see what China does.

00:18:43.400 But what I am certain of, what I'm certain of is that what China is doing will affect

00:18:49.180 their economy much more than it will ours because they have an export driven flood the

00:18:55.280 world with cheap export models.

00:18:57.840 And the rest of the world now understands, because when we put up our tariff wall,

00:19:03.900 those exports were already flowing.

00:19:06.280 All right.

00:19:06.440 You get the idea of the G7.

00:19:08.360 And we get the idea.

00:19:10.080 So, look, I think that they may be benefiting from the fact that most people don't fully

00:19:16.700 know what to believe.

00:19:17.620 Right.

00:19:17.840 Like, I think most of Trump's fans are willing to give him a chance.

00:19:22.680 And now his more elite sort of base who have millions in the stock market are very relieved.

00:19:28.140 And by the way, every single one of them is declaring that it's thanks to them.

00:19:31.700 It's amazing.

00:19:32.640 They're all like, he listened to me.

00:19:34.440 He listened to me.

00:19:35.080 He listened to me.

00:19:36.000 It's like, OK, what the Daily Mail reported is that he listened to Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan

00:19:42.180 Chase, who's in his ear, like and who's a very smart, sober guy who said, look, this is

00:19:47.240 what's going to happen now.

00:19:48.040 Now it's gotten really bad.

00:19:49.200 And I'm sure he's listened to, you know, his top advisors like Besant, too.

00:19:52.720 But I don't I just don't think as many of his detractors are predicting that this is going

00:19:57.820 to crater his approval rating because people were so rattled by the past five days.

00:20:04.500 Yeah, I think that's definitely overstated.

00:20:07.280 I heard you talking about not panicking.

00:20:08.780 And of course, that's incredibly good advice.

00:20:10.840 There's no it doesn't do any good for you if you do panic.

00:20:14.020 And of course, it doesn't change the policy either.

00:20:16.660 So it doesn't really matter when you talk about the markets overall.

00:20:21.620 That's it's a it's a sign.

00:20:22.900 And I think we could I am concerned that if this policy is this broad and this strong,

00:20:29.020 if that's where we wind up landing in 90 days, it could do enough damage to the economy,

00:20:33.640 the people's general speaking economy, not worrying about necessarily millionaires in

00:20:37.540 the market, but regular people who are paying much more for goods and having to deal with

00:20:42.740 the outcomes of that process.

00:20:44.340 And it's not just, you know, people like that, like it's also small business people.

00:20:47.360 I have a friend who works in he imports parts for oil and gas.

00:20:53.420 Again, a central part of of Donald Trump's mission here, right, to get us energy independent

00:20:58.140 into, you know, to take the best of our resources and make the United States more powerful.

00:21:03.420 Like this is an important part of of Trump's mission.

00:21:06.420 This guy's a Trump voter.

00:21:08.480 But what he has, he has been chasing a contract overseas for a very long time, which he finally

00:21:15.220 locked down after after a couple of years.

00:21:17.020 That contract had a designated production schedule in a foreign country and a designated price

00:21:23.900 that he was going to sell to the oil company.

00:21:25.860 Well, now he's paying if these tariffs were to go through at their old pace much more than

00:21:31.960 he was paying that he was earning from the product.

00:21:35.040 So now he's underwater and he has to figure out whether do I accept essentially a loss

00:21:41.220 on every product that I sell to this new company to lock them in for a long term deal and hope

00:21:45.940 the policy changes at some point.

00:21:47.900 Or do I go back to the company and say, hey, I have to bail on this deal.

00:21:53.000 And then it's opened up to bidding all over again.

00:21:55.480 Right.

00:21:55.700 These are hitting his own supporters and they don't they they don't control this policy.

00:22:00.480 They they believe in his mission.

00:22:02.100 They believe China and all these other countries have kind of screwed us in some of these situations.

00:22:07.720 But like they they're at a point where they just are out of their own control.

00:22:11.860 And I think there is a certain percentage of the American people who are going to stick

00:22:17.040 by Trump no matter what he does.

00:22:18.400 And then there's some people who I think will look at this and say that one of the reasons

00:22:22.340 why I voted for Donald Trump was to avoid the feeling I had during Joe Biden, where things

00:22:27.860 were changing all the time.

00:22:28.960 We didn't know it was going to happen.

00:22:30.760 Prices were going up.

00:22:31.960 They were mistaken.

00:22:33.080 That was a mistake.

00:22:34.280 You should not vote Trump in office because you want complete steadiness and no surprises.

00:22:39.600 That's that was never.

00:22:41.180 No, it's true.

00:22:42.440 No.

00:22:43.080 OK, but I take your point.

00:22:44.680 I mean, the terrorists have really driven a wedge between two factions of the right factions

00:22:50.600 that already existed.

00:22:52.320 I do want to say this.

00:22:53.260 Now we're getting grumbling from AOC, from Chris Murphy in Connecticut, that there that

00:22:59.240 this is insider trading, that they believe that Trump somehow advised maybe his friends

00:23:05.060 whatever to buy yesterday morning when the stocks were still low before he announced the

00:23:10.140 deal.

00:23:10.380 Well, and they're absolutely right.

00:23:12.040 He did that.

00:23:13.040 He sent out a tweet telling everyone now is a good time to buy the Democrats want to turn

00:23:19.700 it into a crime by Trump, like secretly telling his friends.

00:23:23.180 He told us all we just we didn't listen.

00:23:25.760 Most of us were like, oh, God, I don't even look at the market.

00:23:27.680 At least that's how I felt.

00:23:28.420 So anyway, here's a little bit of a sampling.

00:23:31.200 I mean, the Democrats wanted the pause.

00:23:32.740 They didn't like that's what they said.

00:23:33.920 They hated the tariffs after loving tariffs.

00:23:36.020 Now they hated tariffs because it was Trump tariffs, but they didn't like the pause either.

00:23:40.100 Here's a little bit of that yesterday.

00:23:41.840 So.

00:23:42.100 He announced it on a tweet.

00:23:46.060 WTF?

00:23:47.080 Who's in charge?

00:23:48.000 So, look, you can't undo the damage.

00:23:51.160 The Trump slump is upon us now.

00:23:53.880 And whatever he will try to do in the future does not undo the damage.

00:24:00.840 We're in a car driven by somebody who was blackout drunk.

00:24:03.920 And it's like one of those bad Bugs Bunny cartoons.

00:24:07.620 It's Looney Tunes.

00:24:08.540 We're driving a car drunk towards a tunnel painted on the side of a mountain.

00:24:13.440 No, they are not our enemy.

00:24:15.040 They're our biggest trading partner.

00:24:16.580 If you drive a car, I'll tariff the street.

00:24:19.540 If you try to sit, I'll tariff your seat.

00:24:22.020 If you get too cold, I'll tariff the heat.

00:24:24.860 If you take a walk, I'll tariff your feet.

00:24:30.260 Keith Olbermann.

00:24:33.560 Poem form.

00:24:34.940 I mean, bonus points for the extra effort.

00:24:38.660 They're not having.

00:24:39.520 They don't like the tariffs.

00:24:41.060 They don't like the pause in the tariffs.

00:24:42.480 They used to love the tariffs.

00:24:43.880 Now they hate the tariffs.

00:24:45.280 I'm getting the feeling like this isn't really like a sincerely held belief on their part.

00:24:49.520 Well, it's good to see Keith Olbermann has chat GPT because I think we know how all that happened.

00:24:54.740 But I will say it's funny because I don't know.

00:24:59.180 I've been talking about these economic policies for a long time.

00:25:03.000 I always associated tariffs with the left.

00:25:06.900 I mean, like every union leader that I've ever seen in my life has come out and advocated for tariffs.

00:25:12.680 And, you know, there's always Democratic senators who are always there advocating for them.

00:25:17.760 And now all of a sudden, I guess they don't like them because Donald Trump, I mean, he is a mastermind at somehow to be able.

00:25:23.340 I wish he would just come out and take all left wing positions and therefore the left would abandon them all.

00:25:28.340 I it is.

00:25:29.100 It's impossible to.

00:25:30.680 It really is fascinating.

00:25:32.940 He is pro choice.

00:25:34.520 He should be more openly pro choice, pro transgender ideology.

00:25:40.480 Yeah, maybe they'll they'll abandon it just as soon as Trump endorses it.

00:25:44.500 Yeah.

00:25:44.640 My favorite example of this, Megan, is from the last few weeks where Donald Trump was they were tossing around this idea of pulling soda and candy and cookies off of food stamps.

00:25:55.240 So you couldn't no longer use food stamps to purchase them.

00:25:58.100 And Trump, you know, kind of came out and said, yeah, because that sounds like a good idea.

00:26:01.040 You shouldn't be able to do that.

00:26:02.300 And then the American Medical Association came out and said, no, you should be able to buy soda and cookies with food stamps.

00:26:10.140 The American Medical Association.

00:26:12.720 Yeah, that's because their own Dr. Mark Hyman was on the show the other day explaining that.

00:26:16.840 Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:26:18.220 It's absurd.

00:26:19.000 It's ridiculous.

00:26:19.480 The the the women who are pushing that bill in the Senate, you know, they want permission basically to to vote from home while on maternity leave.

00:26:30.660 Yes.

00:26:31.320 And most of their Republican colleagues are like, what?

00:26:35.420 No.

00:26:36.600 And Trump was like, I don't know.

00:26:38.660 I'm kind of for it.

00:26:39.340 Makes sense to me.

00:26:40.120 And that's another one where you might see all the Democrats who previously liked it just completely flip.

00:26:44.420 Never mind.

00:26:45.260 We have to be in there if he likes it.

00:26:46.940 There's something we're missing about it.

00:26:48.420 All right.

00:26:49.320 So that's the tariffs.

00:26:50.180 We'll see how it all shakes out.

00:26:51.440 I mean, like, honestly, I'm kind of over it.

00:26:54.120 I'm kind of this is Mark Halperin's take.

00:26:55.920 And he's as honest a broker as we're going to find.

00:26:58.440 He writes 50 percent bond market.

00:27:00.540 Twenty five percent weakness was hurting reconciliation odds, meaning Trump's budget that he's trying to get through with just Republicans.

00:27:09.100 And 25 percent rich people calling Trump.

00:27:12.240 And he said it also known as 100 percent at at Secretary Scott Besson.

00:27:18.040 So he's saying it was a combination of things, including the rich donors, the worries that in getting reconciliation and the budget bill passed and then the bond market 50 percent, which, yeah, a lot of people were looking at that.

00:27:29.780 OK, I want to talk about some other stuff he's doing.

00:27:31.500 So he has been like cracking down a bit on those who attacked him.

00:27:39.180 A couple of law firms, one law firm that hired one of his chief antagonists at Alvin Bragg's office.

00:27:46.580 That guy, there was this guy who was jumping up and down saying we've got to prosecute Trump, like criminally prosecute Trump for whatever is going on at his Trump company.

00:27:54.780 And even Alvin Bragg was like, no, we don't have that.

00:27:59.120 We got we're going to go after him, but I don't think we can get his company.

00:28:02.240 And that guy quit.

00:28:02.940 He wrote a book about it.

00:28:03.700 He quit in protest and he got hired by Paul Weiss.

00:28:06.280 So Trump issued an executive order to cracking down on Paul Weiss.

00:28:10.360 Like, you know what?

00:28:11.660 The government is not going to do business with you.

00:28:13.600 We're just really not interested in a law firm like this being connected to the U.S. government.

00:28:18.020 And Paul Weiss got a bunch of calls from clients being like, if you can't do business with the government, we can't do business with you.

00:28:24.720 Like, that's why we're using you on various mergers or acquisitions or what have you or defenses.

00:28:30.060 And Paul Weiss bent the knee immediately and went to President Trump and worked out a deal.

00:28:35.620 They're going to make donations to organizations.

00:28:37.500 They're going to do pro bono work that he approves of.

00:28:39.580 They didn't have to, but they did it.

00:28:40.920 And they came under fire for it.

00:28:42.800 Perkins Coie, that's the one that represented the Hillary campaign and got Russiagate started.

00:28:48.020 Same, but they did not.

00:28:49.740 They're still litigating.

00:28:50.620 They think this is illegal, what he's doing.

00:28:52.900 And now today, well, yesterday, we have Trump executive orders targeting two individuals by name.

00:29:01.040 And I'll just read to you here from Politico.

00:29:03.960 The directives that he signed on Wednesday ordered the Justice Department to scrutinize Chris Krebs,

00:29:08.340 who ran Trump's cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency,

00:29:12.280 and former Homeland Security official Miles Taylor.

00:29:15.040 Who is Miles Taylor?

00:29:15.700 The name may be familiar to the audience out there, though he originally didn't want it to be.

00:29:21.420 He is anonymous, who's published in the New York Times as some sort of senior Trump official

00:29:30.420 who's keeping Trump honest behind the scenes.

00:29:33.260 And so what Trump has said is, you guys are going to have your security clearances pulled,

00:29:42.000 and we're going to investigate, at least in the case of Miles, whether you used classified information

00:29:48.920 for your book or in any other way.

00:29:52.040 Okay.

00:29:52.700 So the left wing is melting down over this.

00:29:56.680 He doesn't like Krebs, I think, because Krebs, who was fired by Trump via tweet,

00:30:03.460 had been out there asserting that when Joe won in 2020, that, quote,

00:30:07.160 in every case of which we are aware, those claims of fraud either have been unsubstantiated

00:30:11.980 or are technically incoherent.

00:30:13.900 And then he authorized a joint statement by many groups that said the election was secure,

00:30:19.900 no indication of any votes being changed or stolen, which Trump wasn't happy with.

00:30:23.780 And then he was a key witness for the J6 Select Committee.

00:30:27.420 So clearly this guy got on Trump's bad side.

00:30:30.240 And now, I mean, he's having his security clearance pulled.

00:30:33.960 They're saying in this executive order that he's a significant bad faith actor

00:30:40.020 who weaponized and abused his government authority.

00:30:44.140 Trump, as he signed the order stripping Krebs security clearance

00:30:46.900 and opening an investigation into his activities,

00:30:50.320 repeated his claims that the election was, quote, rigged.

00:30:54.780 And then same thing.

00:30:56.760 So this guy, Miles, is going to be investigated, Taylor,

00:31:00.060 to see whether he used classified information in writing his book

00:31:02.540 and also see his security clearances.

00:31:05.020 Why wouldn't these guys have already lost their security clearances?

00:31:07.380 They haven't been working for the government in years.

00:31:09.980 Miles quit in 2019.

00:31:12.060 The other guy quit right before, right, you know, around the 2020 election.

00:31:16.800 Like, why do we let these security clearances stay in place

00:31:19.920 after these people leave government services?

00:31:21.700 So that's one thing.

00:31:22.940 But the real question I want to get to, Stu, is

00:31:24.700 how do we feel about this?

00:31:28.280 Because you could argue that, you know,

00:31:30.860 National Review argued in the case of the law firms,

00:31:33.280 this is effectively a bill of attainder

00:31:34.700 where the Congress or the president specifies,

00:31:39.180 like picks out an individual company or individual

00:31:42.160 and declares them guilty of a crime

00:31:44.640 and imposes a punishment without due process.

00:31:48.380 Or is this perfectly fair game?

00:31:50.780 Let's start there.

00:31:53.880 You know, it's interesting.

00:31:55.160 I, you're the legal expert in this conversation.

00:31:58.480 So at some level, I would definitely cede that to you.

00:32:02.220 I think when it comes to a moral judgment,

00:32:05.980 there are, there's two sides of this, right?

00:32:08.080 There's two paths this can go down.

00:32:10.080 There's justice and there's revenge.

00:32:12.500 And I think from a moral standpoint,

00:32:15.620 it's pretty clear that revenge is not okay and justice is.

00:32:18.600 And you have to kind of wonder which way this is going.

00:32:21.300 I think there are, Trump has a pretty clear record

00:32:25.920 of really being upset about people who come after him

00:32:29.440 and will go after him.

00:32:30.940 And as he said many, many times, punch back twice as hard.

00:32:34.800 You know, what makes me a little nervous about this

00:32:37.280 is I want to make sure that there are checks and balances

00:32:41.580 to make sure that any president,

00:32:43.460 not Trump or anyone else does this.

00:32:45.280 I didn't like it when I think the Biden White House

00:32:47.840 was going after Donald Trump

00:32:49.400 and going after their political enemies.

00:32:51.720 And I don't think it's okay for Trump to do the same thing.

00:32:54.680 I don't know that he's doing that here.

00:32:56.660 I mean, we don't have the results

00:32:57.660 of whatever investigation might be coming from this.

00:33:01.160 I think he is sending a very clear message

00:33:03.380 to anyone who does stand up against him

00:33:05.620 not to do this next time,

00:33:07.020 because we're not going to forget.

00:33:08.460 He's not the guy that lets this stuff roll off of his back.

00:33:11.440 At least he's not anymore.

00:33:12.800 I mean, if you remember,

00:33:13.420 he kind of promised the same thing against Hillary Clinton

00:33:15.340 when he was running initially in 2015 and 2016.

00:33:19.260 And then when he got into office,

00:33:20.400 he kind of shrugged his shoulders and said,

00:33:22.020 look, that's all politics.

00:33:23.540 I do think some of this has changed.

00:33:26.000 Some of it changes when someone threatens

00:33:28.180 to take your entire rest of your life away

00:33:30.420 by throwing you in prison for a very long time.

00:33:32.820 Some of it changes when someone tries to take your life away

00:33:35.660 with a bullet hitting your ear while you're standing on stage.

00:33:38.800 I can understand why he wants to make sure

00:33:41.220 people who were trying to destroy his life

00:33:44.080 and his livelihood are held responsible.

00:33:46.420 We should, though, I think as conservative,

00:33:48.800 and I applaud the efforts of National Review,

00:33:51.240 to at least say, let's hold a standard here

00:33:54.700 to make sure that we're the ones holding it up.

00:33:56.780 We're never going to get what we want out of the left.

00:34:00.140 But it's important that we watch this closely.

00:34:02.000 People like you, Megan,

00:34:03.540 who can kind of parse the legal aspects of this

00:34:06.780 a little bit better than I can,

00:34:08.360 to hold him responsible

00:34:10.080 to make sure he doesn't cross those lines.

00:34:11.900 I don't think he's this erratic, crazy person.

00:34:14.240 I don't think he came in here with an enemies list.

00:34:16.500 All the stuff that the media would say about him

00:34:19.240 I don't think is true.

00:34:20.640 But it's also human instinct for any person

00:34:23.440 who's been treated the way he has

00:34:25.100 to want to get a little bit of revenge.

00:34:27.900 Let's just make sure we don't cross that line

00:34:29.480 and we keep it in the realm of justice.

00:34:31.020 My general feeling is they need to suffer

00:34:34.980 or they will continue doing

00:34:37.120 to Republican lawmakers and Republicans in general

00:34:40.600 what they've been doing.

00:34:41.560 I know, I wish I sounded as sober and measured

00:34:44.600 as you think I am.

00:34:47.600 I had this debate before the election

00:34:50.120 and I was arguing with Alan Dershowitz

00:34:52.580 and I was saying, I'm sorry,

00:34:54.300 but we're going to need to see

00:34:55.240 a little bit of retribution.

00:34:56.860 I'm not for making up charges where none exist,

00:34:58.960 but I am absolutely fine

00:35:02.260 looking into what these people did.

00:35:04.200 I'm totally fine with it.

00:35:05.780 Let me take you back, okay?

00:35:07.400 I just went, just a couple of things came to mind.

00:35:10.520 It's story time, Stu.

00:35:11.880 We're back to story time with MK.

00:35:13.300 I'm ready.

00:35:14.140 Let's do it.

00:35:15.180 Okay.

00:35:16.740 This is April 25th, 2023.

00:35:20.240 Okay, April 20th.

00:35:20.940 So almost exactly two years ago.

00:35:24.520 It was a press release

00:35:25.640 from Ron Johnson's Senate office,

00:35:28.380 Republican senator from Wisconsin.

00:35:30.480 On Friday, U.S. Senator Ron Johnson,

00:35:32.500 a member of the Senate Finance Committee,

00:35:33.740 sent a letter to the IRS

00:35:34.800 and the Treasury Department

00:35:36.460 requesting information about an IRS agent

00:35:39.060 apparently visiting the home

00:35:40.540 of journalist Matt Taibbi

00:35:41.700 the same day that Mr. Taibbi testified

00:35:45.120 before the House of Representatives

00:35:46.420 select subcommittee

00:35:48.120 on the weaponization of the federal government.

00:35:51.500 Senator Johnson noted that, quote,

00:35:53.300 the IRS's intrusive actions

00:35:54.940 do not appear to be consistent

00:35:56.740 with the agency's standard practices

00:35:58.920 for contacting taxpayers.

00:36:00.980 At an April 19th, 2023 Senate Finance hearing,

00:36:03.880 Senator Johnson asked the IRS Commissioner

00:36:05.480 Daniel Warfel about this incident

00:36:07.840 and emphasized that the chances

00:36:09.420 are so infinitesimally small

00:36:11.520 that an IRS agent would show up

00:36:13.520 at the journalist's door

00:36:14.420 the day that journalist is testifying

00:36:16.960 before a House committee.

00:36:19.680 He goes on,

00:36:20.400 the IRS's alleged decision

00:36:21.660 to not follow standard practice

00:36:23.320 and conduct

00:36:23.900 with an unannounced visit

00:36:26.380 to Mr. Taibbi's home

00:36:27.600 on the same day he was testifying

00:36:28.760 before Congress serves

00:36:29.500 only to underscore

00:36:30.340 taxpayers' negative views

00:36:31.860 of the IRS.

00:36:33.320 Right on.

00:36:35.400 And the IRS, I believe,

00:36:37.360 went on to later announce

00:36:38.540 Taibbi was being audited

00:36:40.520 after he testified

00:36:42.300 at a subcommittee meeting

00:36:44.500 on weaponization.

00:36:47.200 That's how brazen

00:36:49.440 and lawless

00:36:51.120 the Democrats

00:36:52.680 have become

00:36:53.420 the Democrats.

00:36:55.140 So, suck it,

00:36:56.520 Miles Taylor.

00:36:57.460 You lost your security clearance

00:36:59.280 and you might have to deal

00:37:00.620 with a little bit

00:37:01.200 of an investigation

00:37:01.760 just to make sure

00:37:02.620 you didn't abuse your position

00:37:04.280 and use classified information.

00:37:05.420 That's the least

00:37:06.520 that could happen to you.

00:37:07.980 How would you like the IRS

00:37:09.420 showing up at your door

00:37:11.240 and pouring through

00:37:12.900 all of your documents?

00:37:14.480 All right.

00:37:15.300 Chapter two

00:37:16.240 of MK Story Hour.

00:37:19.780 It was,

00:37:21.260 okay,

00:37:22.660 what is the date?

00:37:23.780 Hold on.

00:37:24.100 I want to go back

00:37:24.620 and find the date.

00:37:26.080 Stand by.

00:37:28.520 I don't have it.

00:37:29.520 It was 2021.

00:37:30.440 It was definitely 2021.

00:37:31.360 And journalist

00:37:34.180 James O'Keefe

00:37:35.980 was at his home

00:37:37.780 at five in the morning

00:37:39.400 whereupon

00:37:40.460 the FBI

00:37:42.320 came through his door

00:37:44.320 with some

00:37:45.600 multiple agents

00:37:46.940 guns out

00:37:48.060 announcing to James O'Keefe

00:37:50.740 that they were investigating him

00:37:52.140 for the possible crime

00:37:54.220 of allegedly

00:37:55.380 trying to buy

00:37:57.540 Ashley Biden's diary.

00:38:02.040 He came

00:38:02.540 and very weirdly

00:38:04.100 the New York Times

00:38:05.540 had the story

00:38:06.240 within hours.

00:38:07.820 Very strangely

00:38:08.960 this,

00:38:09.860 you know,

00:38:10.560 covert operation

00:38:11.440 in the dawn

00:38:12.320 of the morning.

00:38:13.560 Somehow

00:38:13.920 the New York Times

00:38:15.200 just kind of knew

00:38:16.060 to be near

00:38:17.240 James O'Keefe's apartment

00:38:18.400 because news might possibly

00:38:19.760 F these guys.

00:38:22.020 So James O'Keefe

00:38:22.760 came on my show

00:38:23.740 shortly thereafter

00:38:24.660 very rattled

00:38:25.820 by what was being done

00:38:26.700 to him of course

00:38:27.440 and not just him

00:38:28.120 but his staff too

00:38:28.900 had the same treatment.

00:38:30.140 Another guy on his staff

00:38:31.000 same exact thing

00:38:31.820 and here's what he said.

00:38:34.840 We reached out

00:38:35.700 our lawyer sent

00:38:36.480 a letter to

00:38:37.400 Ashley Biden's attorney

00:38:39.020 and then

00:38:40.200 and that's when

00:38:40.780 Ashley Biden's attorney

00:38:42.100 said we're taking this

00:38:43.140 to the Southern District

00:38:44.260 of New York.

00:38:44.880 That's for those of you

00:38:45.600 who don't know

00:38:45.860 what that is

00:38:46.220 that's the

00:38:46.640 federal jurisdiction

00:38:48.320 the Department of Justice

00:38:50.120 in New York

00:38:50.620 where we're located

00:38:51.440 in Westchester County

00:38:52.560 New York

00:38:52.980 and they referred

00:38:55.060 to this

00:38:55.520 somehow

00:38:55.840 this got to

00:38:56.740 the FBI

00:38:57.360 and the Department

00:38:57.880 of Justice

00:38:58.260 and this is where

00:39:00.180 things take

00:39:00.700 an insane turn.

00:39:02.520 A year later

00:39:03.180 a year later

00:39:04.360 suddenly

00:39:04.940 my two

00:39:05.780 journalistic colleagues

00:39:06.800 get raided

00:39:07.380 by the FBI

00:39:08.500 with a battering ram

00:39:10.320 they go into

00:39:11.500 my colleagues'

00:39:12.280 houses at 6 a.m

00:39:13.340 take all types

00:39:15.100 of computers

00:39:15.760 and laptops

00:39:16.340 these are journalists

00:39:17.400 news gathering materials

00:39:18.900 confidential sources

00:39:20.080 this has never

00:39:21.380 happened before

00:39:22.220 in history

00:39:23.320 for the

00:39:24.160 for the

00:39:24.840 execute a search

00:39:25.520 warrant like this

00:39:26.340 and then now

00:39:27.000 we find out

00:39:27.660 some

00:39:27.940 this was last

00:39:28.760 month

00:39:29.000 that they

00:39:29.380 issued secret

00:39:30.760 warrants

00:39:31.560 to Microsoft

00:39:32.840 Corporation

00:39:33.700 okay

00:39:36.760 so

00:39:37.860 they've been

00:39:38.700 harassing

00:39:39.420 James O'Keefe

00:39:40.420 for

00:39:41.160 almost

00:39:42.180 four years

00:39:43.200 suggesting

00:39:44.120 it is not

00:39:45.340 illegal

00:39:46.260 to publish

00:39:48.120 an ill-gotten

00:39:49.360 diary

00:39:49.960 ill-gotten

00:39:50.840 emails

00:39:51.400 any sort of

00:39:52.460 ill-gotten

00:39:52.940 anything

00:39:53.240 it's not

00:39:54.020 it is illegal

00:39:55.140 to pay

00:39:56.200 someone

00:39:56.700 to steal

00:39:57.420 them

00:39:57.660 but there

00:39:58.980 was no

00:39:59.320 evidence

00:39:59.740 that James

00:40:00.480 O'Keefe

00:40:00.760 had done

00:40:01.080 that

00:40:01.340 the testimony

00:40:02.340 was that

00:40:02.780 this woman

00:40:04.140 said I've

00:40:04.720 got him

00:40:05.140 I've got

00:40:05.740 it

00:40:05.880 I've got

00:40:06.200 her diaries

00:40:06.720 I moved

00:40:07.200 into the

00:40:07.540 house

00:40:07.820 where she

00:40:08.200 was

00:40:08.520 and I've

00:40:08.840 got him

00:40:09.200 is anyone

00:40:10.060 interested

00:40:10.400 and he was

00:40:10.780 like we

00:40:11.120 might be

00:40:11.420 interested

00:40:11.720 and had a

00:40:12.860 discussion

00:40:13.220 with her

00:40:13.620 about possibly

00:40:14.240 buying them

00:40:14.840 but then

00:40:15.840 decided not

00:40:16.440 to

00:40:16.700 but even

00:40:17.280 if he

00:40:17.520 had bought

00:40:17.920 them

00:40:18.120 and published

00:40:19.160 them

00:40:19.380 that's not

00:40:19.920 illegal

00:40:20.280 and Joe

00:40:21.880 Biden's

00:40:22.480 DOJ

00:40:22.980 knew that

00:40:23.820 but they

00:40:24.560 did his

00:40:25.480 bidding

00:40:26.120 and listen

00:40:27.520 to the

00:40:27.860 Politico

00:40:28.360 article

00:40:28.740 from which

00:40:29.200 I read

00:40:29.500 before

00:40:29.920 okay

00:40:30.880 listen

00:40:31.180 to this

00:40:31.600 these

00:40:33.180 two critics

00:40:33.680 are the

00:40:33.980 latest

00:40:34.260 to be

00:40:34.540 swept

00:40:34.820 up

00:40:35.020 in

00:40:35.180 Trump's

00:40:35.620 expansive

00:40:36.180 retribution

00:40:36.840 campaign

00:40:37.440 where he

00:40:38.100 has sought

00:40:38.480 to use

00:40:38.820 federal powers

00:40:39.620 in unprecedented

00:40:41.760 ways to

00:40:43.000 punish political

00:40:43.860 opponents

00:40:44.420 law firms

00:40:45.140 university

00:40:45.560 and others

00:40:45.920 that he

00:40:46.380 believes

00:40:46.680 have wronged

00:40:47.480 him

00:40:47.640 oh it's

00:40:48.300 totally

00:40:48.680 unprecedented

00:40:49.320 Politico

00:40:49.940 and then

00:40:50.580 they go

00:40:50.820 on

00:40:51.080 a president

00:40:52.160 ordering

00:40:52.680 investigations

00:40:53.580 of specific

00:40:54.600 individuals

00:40:55.260 whom he

00:40:56.040 considers to be

00:40:56.840 his political

00:40:57.380 enemies

00:40:57.800 is a

00:40:58.500 remarkable

00:40:59.040 breach

00:40:59.600 of the

00:41:00.240 traditional

00:41:00.780 wall

00:41:01.300 of separation

00:41:02.120 between the

00:41:03.060 White House

00:41:03.500 and the

00:41:03.920 Justice Department

00:41:04.660 I'm throwing

00:41:05.680 up in my

00:41:06.260 mouth

00:41:06.600 and then

00:41:07.460 under that

00:41:08.260 norm

00:41:08.780 of separation

00:41:09.720 criminal

00:41:10.540 investigations

00:41:11.140 are supposed

00:41:11.680 to be

00:41:12.240 insulated

00:41:13.060 from political

00:41:13.820 pressure

00:41:14.320 but Trump

00:41:15.220 has repeatedly

00:41:16.060 scorned the

00:41:16.720 notion

00:41:17.080 of DOJ

00:41:18.260 independence

00:41:19.140 that's why

00:41:21.460 I say

00:41:22.220 I don't

00:41:23.100 care

00:41:23.460 do it

00:41:24.480 they will

00:41:25.420 not learn

00:41:26.480 and the

00:41:27.080 media will

00:41:27.520 continue

00:41:27.900 writing this

00:41:28.740 bullshit

00:41:29.380 so all

00:41:30.480 the only

00:41:31.080 hope

00:41:31.660 for the

00:41:32.880 side of

00:41:33.540 normalcy

00:41:34.160 who genuinely

00:41:35.180 like you

00:41:35.560 kick this

00:41:35.920 conversation

00:41:36.480 off with

00:41:36.860 do not

00:41:37.980 want to

00:41:38.340 see this

00:41:38.820 do not

00:41:39.560 want to

00:41:39.860 see the

00:41:40.120 DOJ

00:41:40.480 weaponized

00:41:41.040 is to

00:41:42.200 make them

00:41:42.920 suffer

00:41:43.640 I think

00:41:46.300 we're calling

00:41:46.820 this now

00:41:47.300 the suck it

00:41:48.320 manifesto

00:41:49.300 that you've

00:41:49.780 just laid

00:41:50.220 out here

00:41:50.680 I think

00:41:51.200 I'm proud

00:41:52.080 to be part

00:41:52.580 of the

00:41:52.800 episode

00:41:53.100 where you

00:41:54.200 laid that

00:41:54.600 out

00:41:54.780 first of

00:41:55.660 all

00:41:55.760 your approach

00:41:56.840 sounds a lot

00:41:57.760 more fun

00:41:58.220 than mine

00:41:58.580 does

00:41:58.820 and I

00:42:00.200 will say

00:42:00.680 what you

00:42:02.260 just outlined

00:42:03.100 is completely

00:42:04.620 on the right

00:42:05.300 side of my

00:42:06.100 dynamic that I

00:42:06.900 outlined earlier

00:42:07.560 I think that's

00:42:08.420 justice

00:42:08.840 you're talking

00:42:09.940 about these

00:42:10.620 are massive

00:42:11.660 massive

00:42:12.120 problems

00:42:13.000 that happen

00:42:14.020 in our

00:42:14.260 justice system

00:42:14.820 and there's

00:42:15.160 so many

00:42:15.760 examples

00:42:16.280 you could have

00:42:16.720 gone on all

00:42:17.200 day with

00:42:17.640 those

00:42:17.880 I think

00:42:18.960 we could have

00:42:19.260 just spent

00:42:19.540 an hour

00:42:19.940 on Trump

00:42:20.440 and what

00:42:20.840 they did

00:42:21.100 to him

00:42:21.420 but keep

00:42:21.920 going

00:42:22.200 exactly

00:42:22.600 or for

00:42:23.640 example

00:42:24.020 the guy

00:42:24.600 you were

00:42:24.920 talking about

00:42:25.300 Joe Biden

00:42:25.740 and the

00:42:26.600 people around

00:42:27.080 him hiding

00:42:27.680 the fact

00:42:28.460 that he

00:42:28.740 had lost

00:42:29.540 all mental

00:42:30.380 abilities

00:42:30.960 while he

00:42:31.800 was president

00:42:32.380 of the United

00:42:32.880 States

00:42:33.400 I want an

00:42:34.300 investigation

00:42:34.700 on that

00:42:35.540 too

00:42:35.880 there was

00:42:36.660 so much

00:42:37.200 going on

00:42:37.640 and the

00:42:38.060 justice

00:42:38.340 department's

00:42:39.140 interference

00:42:39.760 on the

00:42:40.660 Hunter Biden

00:42:41.340 investigation

00:42:42.020 trying to

00:42:42.600 stop those

00:42:43.200 two IRS

00:42:43.880 whistleblowers

00:42:44.580 from actually

00:42:45.540 getting to the

00:42:46.040 bottom of what

00:42:46.560 he did

00:42:46.840 the weaponization

00:42:48.280 the misuse

00:42:49.140 of the

00:42:49.460 DOJ

00:42:49.900 has been

00:42:50.280 in place

00:42:50.720 now

00:42:50.980 for at least

00:42:51.960 the past

00:42:52.400 four years

00:42:52.920 thanks to

00:42:53.820 Joe Biden

00:42:54.280 Politico

00:42:55.200 where were you

00:42:56.700 it doesn't work

00:42:57.800 this way

00:42:58.440 yeah

00:42:59.580 and and by the way

00:43:00.920 investigations are

00:43:02.080 part of knowing

00:43:02.960 this so if there

00:43:03.980 is an investigation

00:43:04.540 and maybe we find

00:43:05.760 out that all

00:43:06.400 these things are

00:43:07.100 complete coincidences

00:43:08.540 I don't think we

00:43:09.980 will but if we

00:43:10.840 do and that's

00:43:11.700 that's the result

00:43:12.460 that's the point

00:43:13.720 I think we need

00:43:14.240 to make sure

00:43:14.820 that we don't

00:43:15.500 go over the

00:43:15.940 line just

00:43:16.340 because we

00:43:16.760 don't like

00:43:17.220 this person

00:43:17.760 or that

00:43:18.060 person we

00:43:18.960 shouldn't be

00:43:19.400 charging people

00:43:20.220 as you pointed

00:43:20.800 out earlier

00:43:21.300 with made up

00:43:22.440 charges or

00:43:23.100 anything like

00:43:23.480 that but

00:43:24.280 this is out

00:43:25.660 of control

00:43:26.060 and I

00:43:27.240 completely agree

00:43:28.460 with you and I

00:43:28.860 think it's

00:43:29.140 completely consistent

00:43:30.140 with the concept

00:43:31.280 of justice to be

00:43:32.840 able to go after

00:43:33.480 these people really

00:43:34.320 really hard if

00:43:35.620 they did these

00:43:36.360 things and to

00:43:37.040 find out what

00:43:37.800 actually happened

00:43:38.680 you are right

00:43:39.860 because I think

00:43:40.600 there's in a way

00:43:41.460 three approaches to

00:43:42.400 this right

00:43:42.860 there is this

00:43:44.460 approach where

00:43:45.160 you're getting

00:43:45.500 revenge there's

00:43:46.580 an approach where

00:43:47.160 you're going for

00:43:47.700 justice looking for

00:43:48.700 it and then

00:43:49.240 utilizing that

00:43:51.020 result to the

00:43:52.860 best of its

00:43:53.500 ability to

00:43:54.120 discourage this

00:43:55.280 type of behavior

00:43:56.040 later on and

00:43:57.360 the third approach

00:43:58.200 is the one we

00:43:58.940 used to use and

00:43:59.980 always did and

00:44:00.760 I think this is

00:44:01.100 the difference

00:44:01.420 between Trump

00:44:01.920 and many

00:44:02.240 Republicans in

00:44:03.460 the past that

00:44:04.060 would just say

00:44:04.600 okay and maybe

00:44:05.480 even Trump

00:44:05.900 we're above it

00:44:06.440 we're not going

00:44:08.360 to do anything

00:44:08.880 that was the

00:44:09.400 past that was

00:44:10.100 politics we all

00:44:11.440 know that we're

00:44:12.040 going to have a

00:44:12.420 guy on that

00:44:13.120 side later on

00:44:14.160 so let's not

00:44:14.700 go crazy we

00:44:16.200 should make sure

00:44:17.340 the people that

00:44:18.600 did this are

00:44:19.680 held responsible

00:44:20.440 for it you've

00:44:21.760 you've done great

00:44:22.440 coverage of what

00:44:23.400 happened during the

00:44:23.980 COVID era that's

00:44:25.040 another one we

00:44:25.820 need to make sure

00:44:26.580 people who are

00:44:27.400 encouraging churches

00:44:28.340 to be shut down

00:44:29.600 we need to know

00:44:31.360 who those people

00:44:32.060 were how that

00:44:32.700 process happened

00:44:33.520 what emails what

00:44:35.480 messages were sent

00:44:36.400 to make these

00:44:37.040 things that we

00:44:38.080 were all so

00:44:38.660 offended about we

00:44:39.500 can all read

00:44:40.460 books about it we

00:44:41.080 can look at it

00:44:41.980 and say hey

00:44:42.480 gosh you know

00:44:43.040 this was really

00:44:43.540 really bad and

00:44:44.120 move on with

00:44:44.500 our lives but

00:44:45.360 that's not going

00:44:45.860 to change things

00:44:46.400 I don't I don't

00:44:47.380 think we're saying

00:44:47.900 we're talking

00:44:48.320 different languages

00:44:48.980 here you're just

00:44:49.880 expressing it in a

00:44:50.640 much more entertaining

00:44:51.440 way well I'm I'm in

00:44:54.080 favor of it I have to

00:44:54.920 say it's I'm not in

00:44:56.080 favor of charging

00:44:56.700 somebody if the

00:44:57.460 evidence is not

00:44:58.040 there and I mean

00:44:58.740 real evidence I

00:44:59.560 don't mean just like

00:45:00.100 colorable I mean like

00:45:00.980 this person actually

00:45:01.580 did appear to have

00:45:02.740 committed a crime and

00:45:03.720 you have to have a

00:45:04.140 good faith belief in

00:45:04.900 that as a prosecutor

00:45:05.600 or you violated your

00:45:06.680 ethics in bringing a

00:45:07.880 case against them but

00:45:08.940 do I have a problem

00:45:09.620 with this guy Miles

00:45:10.560 Taylor who was so

00:45:11.840 self-aggrandizing we're

00:45:13.480 keeping a lock on the

00:45:14.700 president we the

00:45:15.660 adults in the room

00:45:16.780 will actually dictate

00:45:18.220 U.S. policy whether

00:45:19.080 he knows it or not

00:45:19.900 that now that Trump's

00:45:21.840 been reelected Trump's

00:45:23.080 like you know what

00:45:23.720 you've lost your access

00:45:24.920 to your security

00:45:25.860 clearance and I'm

00:45:26.780 going to take a look

00:45:27.320 at exactly what files

00:45:28.520 you decided to check

00:45:29.640 out Miles when you

00:45:31.440 were in the federal

00:45:32.220 government to make

00:45:32.920 sure you didn't cross

00:45:33.900 any lines I am fine

00:45:35.760 with that too bad too

00:45:38.300 bad for him and and

00:45:40.000 uh by the way there

00:45:40.880 is a happy ending on

00:45:42.760 one of these stories

00:45:43.960 um I don't know where

00:45:45.460 the thing is with Matt

00:45:46.340 I'm going to find out

00:45:47.100 for you but did you

00:45:49.580 know we missed this in

00:45:50.900 in the Trump executive

00:45:52.260 order mania when he

00:45:53.680 first took over listen

00:45:55.800 to this on February

00:46:00.020 2nd 2025 James O'Keefe

00:46:03.380 tweeted out breaking

00:46:05.460 news DOJ announces it

00:46:08.000 has dropped criminal

00:46:09.240 investigation into

00:46:10.320 James O'Keefe Spencer

00:46:11.820 Meads and Eric Cochran

00:46:13.200 over the Ashley Biden

00:46:14.280 diary the Southern

00:46:15.800 District of New York

00:46:16.540 announcing today the

00:46:17.260 criminal case is closed

00:46:18.740 and the search warrant

00:46:19.940 affidavit materials will

00:46:21.900 be unsealed he goes on

00:46:24.680 the U.S.

00:46:25.100 Attorney's Office has

00:46:25.760 officially closed the

00:46:26.460 investigation into the

00:46:28.500 FBI raid related to the

00:46:29.800 Ashley Biden diary case

00:46:30.940 uh the government

00:46:32.040 respectfully submits

00:46:32.920 this letter to notify

00:46:33.620 the court the grand jury

00:46:34.340 investigation that led

00:46:35.120 to this and the issuance

00:46:36.340 of the above reference

00:46:37.080 search warrants has

00:46:38.200 concluded no additional

00:46:39.680 criminal charges

00:46:40.260 forthcoming and they go

00:46:42.000 on to say that they are

00:46:43.580 going to um that they

00:46:46.380 are going to release the

00:46:48.020 supporting documentation if

00:46:49.600 any uh that under that

00:46:51.480 was undergirding the case

00:46:52.660 and that I really do want

00:46:54.180 to see I love to see what

00:46:55.780 they say they had on James

00:46:58.220 O'Keefe but it took an

00:46:59.720 adult getting elected

00:47:01.260 president to turn to the

00:47:03.020 DOJ and say please stop

00:47:04.880 bothering James O'Keefe a

00:47:06.700 journalist who even under

00:47:09.220 your allegations you have

00:47:10.240 what do you have to prove

00:47:11.180 that he he paid her to

00:47:13.220 commit the crime what show

00:47:15.040 us the allegations because

00:47:16.300 if that were true it would

00:47:17.600 take about two minutes to

00:47:19.160 prove it literally two

00:47:20.540 minutes but here we are

00:47:21.680 four years later it was

00:47:23.240 brought in 21 2025 they're

00:47:25.680 still harassing the guy and

00:47:27.260 it took Trump to to take

00:47:28.480 over and Pam Bondi so this

00:47:29.760 is why I'm just you're you

00:47:31.680 know what Stu you're not

00:47:32.460 going to see you are not

00:47:33.560 going to see either one of

00:47:34.540 those names mentioned in

00:47:35.440 any political article and

00:47:37.200 any Axios article in any

00:47:39.500 article anywhere I mean

00:47:41.600 even the right wing isn't

00:47:42.880 going to bring that up

00:47:43.780 most of the right wing

00:47:45.100 publications are just

00:47:46.000 going to express horror at

00:47:47.380 expo at uh you know bill

00:47:48.760 of attainder this is wrong

00:47:50.480 and they're going to go down

00:47:51.900 the normal road of like it's

00:47:53.500 steep it was wrong you know

00:47:54.760 always and it's now wrong

00:47:56.800 to can we just be honest

00:47:58.420 about how wrong it was and

00:48:01.140 how bad it was and how not

00:48:02.980 just Trump was targeted

00:48:04.020 with losing his freedom but

00:48:06.040 journalists journalists like

00:48:08.300 Matt Taibbi and James O'Keefe

00:48:10.040 who indeed is a journalist to

00:48:12.100 losing their freedom or their

00:48:13.840 fortunes who knows what the

00:48:15.660 penalties might have been

00:48:16.560 because of a personal

00:48:18.560 vendetta uh Matt Taibbi for

00:48:20.600 speaking to Congress and a

00:48:22.880 James O'Keefe for having the

00:48:24.620 nerve to actually publish

00:48:25.460 something that might not

00:48:26.180 reflect well on Joe Biden

00:48:27.200 P.S. it didn't she talked

00:48:28.940 about inappropriate showers

00:48:30.200 with her father when she was

00:48:32.120 a young child so I just like

00:48:34.080 they're so gross there's a

00:48:36.480 concept in the law it's an

00:48:38.380 equitable concept which means

00:48:39.760 if you go into a court of

00:48:40.700 equity asking for an

00:48:41.800 equitable remedy meaning

00:48:43.160 non-monetary you know like

00:48:45.540 don't don't let those planes

00:48:47.520 take off that's an you're

00:48:48.900 seeking an equitable remedy

00:48:50.300 that you cannot get it if you

00:48:53.140 have unclean hands if if you

00:48:56.120 yourself have committed crimes

00:48:58.880 or terrible acts or whatever

00:48:59.900 and a court can take that into

00:49:01.740 account this is what I'm trying

00:49:03.140 to say they have unclean hands

00:49:04.840 both the Democrats and their

00:49:07.220 media servants on this issue so I

00:49:10.180 I don't even want to see the

00:49:11.640 damn article I don't want to read

00:49:12.980 what political says I certainly

00:49:14.520 don't want to see you know a

00:49:16.320 reminder about how lawless Trump

00:49:18.000 is I'm just over it still yeah

00:49:20.820 I mean look I think there's

00:49:22.780 doing the right thing and

00:49:23.700 there's doing the wrong thing

00:49:24.840 and then a third option there is

00:49:26.800 doing the right thing with

00:49:27.920 absolute follow-through and

00:49:29.480 that's what I want I want full

00:49:30.980 follow-through I want these

00:49:31.980 things to be taken I don't want

00:49:33.020 to do the wrong thing I want to

00:49:34.060 do the right thing and follow

00:49:35.460 through on it for once well I

00:49:38.420 think a new day has dawned and

00:49:40.840 these people like I bet Trump's

00:49:43.020 not done I mean no Biden didn't

00:49:45.380 pardon himself it would be very

00:49:46.580 interesting to see whether I

00:49:49.200 don't know whether Pam Bondi and

00:49:51.060 her investigators see Joe Biden

00:49:54.420 as a well-meaning elderly man with

00:49:55.780 a poor memory I mean I just I

00:49:57.700 would have zero problem if they

00:49:59.840 reversed that conclusion okay I

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00:51:01.820 so on the subject of Trump's executive

00:51:07.640 orders he had another great one let's

00:51:09.800 listen to top 13 you take a shower wash

00:51:13.880 your hands whatever you do including

00:51:15.520 dishwashers when no water comes out but

00:51:17.620 you wash your hands and in my case I

00:51:20.680 like to take a nice shower to take care

00:51:23.380 of my beautiful hair I have to stand in

00:51:26.320 the shower for 15 minutes till it gets

00:51:28.220 wet it comes out drip drip drip it's

00:51:31.160 ridiculous and what you do is you end up

00:51:33.840 washing your hands five times longer so

00:51:35.880 it's the same water it's like between

00:51:39.660 the return of the incandescent light

00:51:41.800 bulb and the return of water pressure

00:51:44.180 these are things that actually

00:51:46.640 genuinely improve the life of your

00:51:49.540 average citizen right it's like I'm all

00:51:51.660 believe me the audience knows all for

00:51:53.340 getting rid of DEI but like there people

00:51:56.080 who don't have kids going through school

00:51:57.760 right now or woke companies that they

00:52:00.300 work for might not have that one touch

00:52:01.900 them personally but everybody takes a

00:52:03.800 shower turns on the kitchen faucet and

00:52:06.100 sees the trickle he's totally right

00:52:08.120 he's a hundred percent right you know

00:52:11.220 Megan's travelers talk about how nice

00:52:13.820 the beds are in the hotel that they stay

00:52:16.020 at smart travelers talk about how nice

00:52:18.200 the shower is at the hotel you stay at it

00:52:20.620 is crucial part of life it is massively

00:52:25.300 important I it's funny these these

00:52:29.020 restrictions have existed for a while if

00:52:31.560 you happen to be handy if you happen to

00:52:34.220 have a handyman if you happen to know

00:52:37.140 how to go on YouTube oh yeah there are

00:52:39.540 ways around and I don't want to convict

00:52:40.740 myself here on national radio but I will

00:52:43.560 say I've been told you can take out the

00:52:45.860 governor the regulator on your on your

00:52:48.100 faucets like your shower yes I've been

00:52:50.880 told you can make it amazing just like

00:52:52.880 the old days the best shower pressure you

00:52:55.020 can possibly imagine I will say I'm just

00:52:56.800 gonna throw this in there there's also

00:52:57.880 adjustments you can make to your water

00:52:59.400 heater that will make it really really

00:53:01.160 really hot and make it absolutely the

00:53:03.940 best possible experience this is he's

00:53:06.300 connecting one man crime ring down there

00:53:08.940 how dare you accuse me as we said we do

00:53:12.780 not go beyond the law Megan no I think

00:53:15.820 it's it's it's he's hitting me in my soul

00:53:18.580 with this one this is this is the best

00:53:21.620 possible thing that if he gets rid of

00:53:24.900 paper straws and he gets me get gets rid

00:53:28.060 of these stupid shower heads he's he can

00:53:30.640 have a third a fourth and a fifth term as

00:53:32.140 far as I'm concerned I know that I know

00:53:33.700 exactly that's how I feel like these these

00:53:35.220 are really things that I care about and I

00:53:37.620 talked about it yesterday with EPA

00:53:38.940 administrator Lee Zeldin the damn wind

00:53:41.400 turbines need to be stopped to they are

00:53:43.940 ruining the coastlines of the most

00:53:46.280 beautiful country on earth in the United

00:53:48.140 States of America to stop ruining all of

00:53:50.960 the views stop torturing the whales stop

00:53:53.240 taking up huge multiple acres of our

00:53:56.380 beautiful environmental land for these

00:53:58.480 stupid ass toxic blades for electricity

00:54:01.560 that really doesn't work and it's only

00:54:02.860 sporadic when we have as Trump says you

00:54:05.440 know all we have to do is drill baby

00:54:06.780 drill not to mention coal and fracking

00:54:08.920 and all that that can pay all these

00:54:10.720 energy bills or provide these this energy

00:54:12.880 for us at cheaper rates okay switching

00:54:15.540 gears I want to talk to you a little bit

00:54:16.760 about some a story in the media NBC News

00:54:20.880 sued for defamation and about to go to

00:54:25.780 trial on April 22nd just settled a 30

00:54:29.900 million dollar case against it brought

00:54:33.160 by a an OBGYN but named Dr. Mahendra

00:54:38.500 Amin so here's what happened I only Fox

00:54:42.340 News is covering it nobody else wants to

00:54:43.700 cover the story

00:54:44.240 well maybe I should just show you the

00:54:47.800 soundbite first Rachel Maddow covered

00:54:50.340 it Nicole Wallace covered it Chris Hayes

00:54:53.280 covered it msnbc.com covered it and they

00:54:57.740 all covered it basically the same way

00:54:59.080 which is why they got sued and where

00:55:01.220 they were all expected to be called a

00:55:02.660 trial as witnesses here's a sample of

00:55:04.640 Rachel Maddow's coverage about this

00:55:06.440 doctor who was the subject of a report

00:55:09.640 aired ubiquitously over there about him

00:55:13.280 allegedly performing unnecessary

00:55:15.780 hysterectomies at immigration and

00:55:19.500 customs enforcement centers at an ice

00:55:22.260 detention center watch I thought this

00:55:25.660 was like an experimental concentration

00:55:28.060 camp it was like they're experimenting

00:55:30.580 with our bodies the nurse who

00:55:33.340 contributed to this whistleblower

00:55:34.540 complaint explains it like this quote

00:55:35.960 everybody this doctor sees has a

00:55:38.120 hysterectomy just about everybody he's

00:55:40.100 even taken out the wrong ovary on one

00:55:42.180 detained immigrant woman she was

00:55:43.620 supposed to get her left ovary removed

00:55:45.220 because it had a cyst on the left

00:55:46.500 ovary he took out the right one she

00:55:49.120 was upset she had to go back to take

00:55:51.720 out the left and she wound up with a

00:55:53.040 total hysterectomy she still wanted

00:55:54.740 children so she has to go back home now

00:55:56.880 and tell her husband that she can't bear

00:55:58.160 kids she said she was not all the way out

00:56:00.440 under anesthesia and heard the doctor

00:56:02.300 tell the nurse that he took out the

00:56:04.140 wrong ovary the nurse says she and her

00:56:06.740 fellow nurses quote questioned among

00:56:08.420 ourselves like goodness he's taking

00:56:10.400 everybody's stuff out that's his

00:56:11.740 specialty he's the uterus collector

00:56:14.000 she says quote I know that's ugly is he

00:56:17.620 collecting these things or something

00:56:18.980 everybody he sees he's taking all their

00:56:20.720 uteruses out or he's taking their tubes

00:56:22.360 out what in the world I should tell you

00:56:24.520 that these allegations from this

00:56:26.060 whistleblower are not isolated

00:56:27.880 complaints NBC News has spoken to four

00:56:30.820 different lawyers who represent women who

00:56:33.240 were detained in that federal facility in

00:56:35.140 Georgia who are making similar claims

00:56:37.560 also swept up in the litigation NBC News

00:56:41.880 reporter Jacob Soberoff and Julia Ainsley

00:56:44.960 as well as MSNBC producer Dennis Horgan

00:56:48.120 senior director of standards and

00:56:50.600 practices Mary Lockhart and deputy head of

00:56:52.520 standards and practices Chris Scholl and

00:56:54.420 others by the way so what the judge found

00:56:57.360 in allowing the case to go forward to go

00:56:59.360 to trial against NBC judge Lisa Godby Wood of

00:57:03.300 the Southern District of Georgia ruled that

00:57:06.260 a jury under the facts alleged here could

00:57:08.300 find that NBC and its employees acted with

00:57:11.560 actual malice which is the standard that

00:57:15.500 was going to apply here and said as

00:57:17.720 follows quote NBC investigated this alleged

00:57:21.000 whistleblower like some whistleblower came

00:57:22.900 out and said he's doing this NBC

00:57:25.040 investigated the whistleblower letters

00:57:27.680 accusations that investigation did not corroborate

00:57:32.440 the accusations and even undermined some of

00:57:35.860 them NBC republished the letters accusations

00:57:39.120 anyway judge Woodrow in a 108 page summary and

00:57:44.720 this doctor who was portrayed as evil and

00:57:48.260 disgusting harming immigrant women there without

00:57:52.360 their consent and just as some sort of like

00:57:54.740 Dr. Mengele type is in fact they say according

00:57:59.700 to his lawyers a dedicated physician who

00:58:02.020 dedicated his entire career to serving

00:58:03.760 underserved communities and the NBC behaved

00:58:06.720 recklessly trying to paint him as evil so what

00:58:11.800 happened was they first put it in an NBC news

00:58:14.360 article in September 2020 citing this alleged

00:58:17.340 whistleblower's claim and then MSNBC quickly

00:58:20.960 jumped on board that was too good for them to

00:58:22.700 resist sue with um Nicole Wallace Chris Hayes

00:58:26.480 Rachel Maddow all running with the quote uterus

00:58:29.600 collector label for this guy he filed a lawsuit

00:58:32.900 against the parent company NBC Universal alleging

00:58:35.960 that this was he's been portrayed falsely and now on

00:58:39.480 the eve of trial they settled a 30 million dollar

00:58:44.580 suit I don't we don't know yet what or we may

00:58:47.280 never what the settlement was for but I bet it

00:58:49.620 was a big number with all those stars about to get

00:58:52.440 dragged into court an answer for their

00:58:55.580 investigatory processes before they slap a

00:58:57.920 report like that which is obviously defamatory

00:59:00.700 on the day what do you make of it especially

00:59:04.000 when you have some behind-the-scenes

00:59:05.400 investigation that doesn't corroborate it I

00:59:08.580 mean I think there's real questions as to whether

00:59:10.240 you should even cover an accusation like that when

00:59:13.640 it's just an accusation and there's no other

00:59:16.140 evidence corroborating it I mean I just saying that

00:59:19.060 about a person uh and and the left loves to do this the

00:59:22.620 media does it all the time where you know they'll just

00:59:25.040 well this person said it all we're doing is is reporting

00:59:28.180 what they said well as a journalistic institution it's

00:59:32.280 kind of your job to have a little bit more you might not

00:59:35.420 be able to go through it in full investigation you don't

00:59:37.940 have to necessarily hit some legal standard to report

00:59:40.160 the claim but you should have some idea whether you think

00:59:42.880 it's true or not and unfortunately I think the filter

00:59:45.520 they run it by is do we want this to be true yeah that's

00:59:50.440 the beginning in the end of their investigation in a lot

00:59:53.320 of these uh claims and the fact that they did or at least

00:59:57.900 allegedly did an investigation that didn't corroborate it

01:00:01.900 maybe made it seem like it wasn't true and still aired it

01:00:06.100 is absolute I think hitting that standard of malice I mean

01:00:09.400 that is completely beyond the pale uh the you know a lot of

01:00:14.840 times I hear stuff I'm sure you do make and as well callers

01:00:18.260 call us we get uh you know email tips people that I know

01:00:21.880 who work in the government will tell me things that are

01:00:24.980 really salacious or really support my viewpoint my pre

01:00:29.500 my priors as I walk into a situation and that is when I'm

01:00:32.740 on my highest level of guard because of course I want

01:00:37.260 something to be true and when I know I want it to be true I

01:00:41.020 raise the standard even higher to make sure I'm not just

01:00:44.280 reporting junk because human beings are vulnerable to that

01:00:47.240 type of thing it seems like all these organizations are living

01:00:51.280 by a totally different standard and uh they just financially

01:00:54.460 paid for that standard it's amazing because I NBC has a very

01:00:59.940 well-paid and well-experienced standard and practices group that

01:01:04.520 you can't get anything on the air without going through these

01:01:07.060 people I've told the audiences before but we were doing a report

01:01:09.500 on on my you know one year um morning show over there and it was

01:01:15.380 about Roger Ailes I think he died I think it was that he had died um I

01:01:21.800 can't remember to be honest but it was some I don't remember what

01:01:24.060 year Roger died but it was shortly after I left Fox and um it came up

01:01:29.080 that he he had been involved in the Me Too thing and everything

01:01:32.700 happened at Fox and I was reading this script that said several

01:01:37.460 women at Fox News accused him of sexual harassment including yours

01:01:41.140 truly and then we moved on and they wanted me to insert um he

01:01:46.820 denied all claims including my own and I was like I'm not gonna

01:01:52.040 read that like I realized why don't you just have somebody else do

01:01:54.820 it then like do somebody like I'm not reading that I'm fucking I

01:01:57.700 know what happened I wrote a whole book about it there's like it's

01:02:00.640 ridiculous the Murdoch's like and they were like you will read it

01:02:04.020 because it's what's fair to him and they look they weren't wrong it

01:02:06.720 was just I was so freshly off of that whole thing I was like I'm not

01:02:09.840 doing that I think I wound up reading like and and he denied it which

01:02:14.940 was a false denial because it happened you know something I can't

01:02:17.680 remember what I said but I I remember sort of stealing the last word

01:02:20.100 on it I only tell that story to reiterate that they're tough they're

01:02:24.660 generally tough over there about maintaining some semblance of

01:02:28.700 fairness especially on dicey legal matters like like a whistleblower

01:02:33.160 coming out and saying something that is very clearly defamatory if true if

01:02:36.320 not true very clearly defamatory if not true so I think you're exactly

01:02:39.540 right this was too good it's like they're hurting immigrants they're

01:02:44.220 stealing uteri and this guy rather than seeing him it's kind of like what

01:02:49.700 happened to CNN we had on that plaintiff the guy who got defamed by CNN who

01:02:56.160 was overseas in Afghanistan trying to help people get out and yes he charged a

01:03:00.720 fee to help people get out was like in line with what the fees are to get out

01:03:04.760 but like they they completely ripped this guy as though he was like profiting

01:03:09.340 off of the pain of others like no this is a service you can get hired and you can

01:03:14.200 big companies hire him to get like their people out and they made him seem like

01:03:17.560 he was this opportunist and all these texts came out in the litigation saying

01:03:22.800 like he has a punchable face and they were mad that he called them back prior to

01:03:28.280 the report to actually weigh in like they're like oh god now he's calling like

01:03:33.560 no an honest reporter wants that you want the other side to be able to weigh in

01:03:38.560 anyway it's just one of many examples that we've seen of corrupt media and that

01:03:44.700 will bring me to John Oliver I don't know do we consider him media I don't

01:03:49.460 know what the hell he is it annoying and not fact-based though he purports to be I

01:03:54.980 mean he thinks he's Walter Cronkite so he goes out on his show and he decides that he

01:04:02.160 will be the final arbiter on whether men should be allowed to play in women's sports

01:04:07.420 and decides to unleash this typical bullshit that we get from these leftists about how

01:04:13.800 it's a very small number and who are they hurting you know who are they really hurting

01:04:19.440 and tries to get into like I couldn't find real studies showing without spending one minute

01:04:25.040 to consider do you know why that is John Oliver it's because leftists are the ones who do these

01:04:30.160 studies and no leftist magazine which is all of them every every magazine in the science field

01:04:36.920 is controlled by leftists will get published if they run a piece saying biological men have an

01:04:43.280 advantage over women that's the world we've been in for the past 15 years and by the way the studies

01:04:49.560 aren't necessary anyway because we have eyes it's just absurd thank you so he decides it's not enough

01:04:56.740 for him to just sort of state like this isn't an issue this is made up right wing you know catnip

01:05:01.780 but then he starts to go through these I mean true these are feminists in the in the good sense

01:05:08.880 of that word you know that word is it's not a good word and it I'm not a feminist but if you want to

01:05:13.800 say to me like what's a real family like who's somebody who really stands up for women it's somebody

01:05:18.000 like Riley Gaines who is actually fighting for women's rights or Peyton McNabb the girl who at 16 in

01:05:25.020 North Carolina was partially paralyzed by a volleyball hit at her by a male that's an actual

01:05:29.400 true like in the old school way of a feminist we're like not the man hatred not the radical

01:05:35.140 abortion policies but like I just want women to to have their rights anyway those are his two favorite

01:05:42.880 targets in this long monologue here he is on Riley Gaines she tied for fifth in the 200 free with

01:05:52.160 Riley Gaines who catapulted to conservative stardom off the back of that race first that's a story

01:05:57.540 about how Leah Thomas prevented Riley Gaines from getting fifth place instead of fifth place

01:06:01.620 second those trophies look absolutely identical so just so we are clear Leah Thomas didn't take

01:06:10.400 anything from Riley Gaines in fact you could argue she gave a lot to her as Gaines later decided to

01:06:16.080 forgo dental school in order to be an activist and speaker she now has her own advocacy center and has

01:06:21.760 personally lobbied multiple state legislatures for bands all to address the threats opposed to women's

01:06:26.300 sports by a woman who swam exactly as fast as she did to the literal hundredth of a second

01:06:31.560 you know what this is like this is like what is Denise Brown complaining about that Nicole Brown

01:06:38.280 Simpson was murdered she became world famous and she's a big advocate now for domestic abuse

01:06:43.280 fuck off John Oliver what so Riley Gaines has no legitimate complaint because she spoke out so

01:06:51.740 effectively about what happened to her that she's become in effect a national spokesperson on the issue

01:06:58.080 so she should really be thankful that she had to take off her clothes and get nude in front of a fully

01:07:05.020 intact male who is clearly if you review his social media an autogonophile who gets off on dressing like a

01:07:12.940 woman and obviously parading around his fully intact penis in a women's locker room before he goes into

01:07:19.520 the pool and steals their medals weirdly I missed that portion of John Oliver's monologues do gosh that

01:07:26.920 is just irreversensible in so many ways I'm sure Ronald Goldman's dad was really excited about all the

01:07:34.020 media attention that situation brought him as well thanks a lot OJ I mean absolutely fascinating and he goes

01:07:41.580 on basically you know you mentioned he can't find any studies what being alive is a study every world

01:07:50.320 record in track and field is a study but you don't need a study on this every single person on earth

01:07:56.720 knows it to be true and it's so offensive and I will say this about John Oliver and I think

01:08:02.000 he is really a unique person I think a lot of people who are on the right in particular don't even know who

01:08:07.860 he is like you know he's just some guy you know some comedian what is he on HBO his YouTube videos

01:08:13.480 get massive attention to the to the extent it's absurd like he will name a video lead and he'll put

01:08:20.620 it out there it's a 40 minute monologue on lead and it'll get three times as many views as he has

01:08:26.820 followers which is millions I mean he really does get wide wide attention on the left and I think he is

01:08:32.080 an incredible gift to conservatives he has a unique ability to be able to convince the left

01:08:40.460 that their worst instincts are the only smart incredible position to follow like everything

01:08:48.160 on the left everybody on the left should know the last thing they should do is be dying on the hill

01:08:53.320 of men should be able to play in women's sports and he comes out here and condescends to the left to

01:08:59.820 to an extent that they think they go to all their friends at work and say this is what I'm sticking

01:09:03.980 with oh of course men and women should men should be able to play in women's sports and it puts them

01:09:10.040 in a position politically and this does not make the situation right of course for the poor women who

01:09:14.200 have to go through the situation but like politically he's he has this weird power over people on the left

01:09:20.880 to convince them that they're the smart ones and everyone else is nuts and I don't know I don't think it

01:09:25.760 does them any favors I I don't want this to continue obviously but I there is a certainly a political

01:09:32.180 benefit at the very least for conservatives it's amazing to me how his entire monologue is told from

01:09:37.420 the point of his own physical weakness like men are not stronger than women men cannot be like what

01:09:43.280 are you worried about there's no physical advantage right not if you're the athlete John Oliver

01:09:46.960 obviously because you just look like one big human turd of softness but but shockingly John Oliver

01:09:54.080 there are men out there who go through normal male puberty you clearly weren't one of them

01:09:58.100 who emerge on the opposite side full of testosterone and muscle you you should look around they're

01:10:03.760 everywhere not in your mirror but elsewhere look around and Riley gains that the fact that she tied

01:10:10.460 Leah Thomas for fifth and he's like it's the same trophy talk about being intentionally obtuse she

01:10:17.760 shouldn't have had to share with a man in anything in her sport at all he he wasn't entitled to be in

01:10:28.100 that race to have a trophy at all and she tells the story about the trophy because they tied there was

01:10:33.680 only one trophy available for fifth place at the time and they said we want him to hold it because

01:10:39.760 this was back in the let's celebrate the fact that there's a man posing as a woman in this race at all

01:10:45.700 so it was clearly she was reduced to second class citizen as the actual biological woman who won there

01:10:51.160 and the woman below Riley gains lost out because Leah Thomas was there and the woman below her and so

01:10:56.880 on then he turns on a 16 year old now she's older I think she's now 2020 or something Peyton McNabb

01:11:04.580 the audience may remember her from this show we had her on shortly after this whole thing happened

01:11:09.480 but then she went on to speak out at her state legislature she went on to be Trump's guest at

01:11:14.520 Melania's guest at the state of the union that Trump just gave you know that it's not technically

01:11:18.740 a state of the union but you know what I mean and listen to what he said about Peyton McNabb

01:11:23.140 the most famous example concerns Peyton McNabb a three-sport high school athlete who was hit in the

01:11:31.120 face by a spike during a volleyball match she suffered injuries including a concussion and started

01:11:35.840 speaking out against the policies that allowed the trans player who spiked the ball to play a concussion

01:11:40.840 is genuinely traumatic though for what it's worth she did go on to play softball in the spring and

01:11:45.660 did pretty well judging by her school posting this image about her making the all-conference team

01:11:50.080 and a local paper pointing out she helped her team to a 5-0 start and I'm not saying she wasn't injured

01:11:55.300 or that it didn't have some impact on her performance but a lot of the groups heavily pushing this story

01:12:01.140 seem to be overselling it oh my god in about 10 minutes Jason Redman is going to come on

01:12:08.140 former Navy SEAL who was blown up so badly and fighting for us overseas that his face was severely

01:12:15.180 damaged and he's the guy who posted that do not come into this room to feel sorry for me and his

01:12:20.080 hospital bed as he underwent 37 surgeries to try to get back normalcy and said I will fully recover

01:12:26.140 it's truly like looking at somebody in who's gone through hell and just being like well you're fine you

01:12:32.140 seem fine what are you complaining about you're fine the fact that she got through her injuries and

01:12:36.540 managed to play a sport after her injury is an inspiration to most of us you fucking prick

01:12:42.940 it you don't look at somebody who's been through great hardship who refused to just lay down and

01:12:48.440 declare life over I'm a victim forever but fought back to do something extraordinary and say it means

01:12:55.120 you weren't hurt at all it means your injury was a nothing burger Redman or Peyton she came on this show

01:13:01.620 too early on and told us about first of all how the trans player didn't give a shit at all that

01:13:06.260 he had hurt her at all uh was zero sorry and described by the way John Oliver it wasn't just

01:13:13.480 a concussion you absolute loser here's what she said they hit it so hard that we didn't really

01:13:21.400 know we weren't used to taking hits that hard so I was afraid I was um I know a lot of the girls

01:13:29.120 were um I was hit and everything went black um my teammates and coaches said I was unconscious for

01:13:37.420 about 30 seconds while my team was huddling around me the opposing team was laughing um but when I came

01:13:47.620 back to consciousness a trainer took me to the sign lines and checked me for a concussion and told me I

01:13:56.000 was fine I could go back in but luckily my coach didn't let me go back in was there any chance of

01:14:02.160 you to defend that ball no um a lot of people say that there was and I should have protected myself

01:14:08.760 better but I had I seriously had no time I was out for the rest of my volleyball season I have

01:14:15.640 impaired vision so I have to I had to get my glasses uh redone I have partial paralysis on my right side

01:14:25.000 so my right side lags slightly um I I have really bad headaches I have to have accommodations at school

01:14:35.560 and test in separate rooms and get extra help when that's never been a problem before I was really

01:14:41.600 depressed I had a really long depressive episode and I have anxiety now

01:14:48.740 I the arrogance and privilege of this fucking multi-millionaire sitting at his desk trying to

01:15:00.280 lecture this young woman about how she's fine it was just a concussion by the way that's enough

01:15:07.180 you absolute jerk but listen to what actually happened to I weirdly I didn't hear that I didn't hear that

01:15:13.180 either in his monologue I didn't hear about Riley Gaines again having to change and get naked in a

01:15:19.220 locker room in front of a man Will Thomas and I didn't hear anything about Peyton McNabb's actual

01:15:26.040 injuries that she somehow managed to get through in order to have some semblance of a sports career

01:15:30.740 while in high school which doesn't take away one second from her ongoing headaches from the bullying that

01:15:36.740 she felt she suffered from the partial paralysis that she had on her right side this like the I can't

01:15:43.680 Stu it's like the height of I mean leftism that's what I see when I hear him like this leftist elitist

01:15:52.700 rich prick who has no sympathy or empathy in his heart for this young girl or any young girls by the way he

01:16:00.720 also didn't mention the girl in Massachusetts who had her entire mouth of teeth knocked out by a male

01:16:06.940 field hockey player posing as a girl how about all the girl basketball players that we have seen

01:16:12.780 fall down and hurt on the court I could we could do this all day how about the girls in the Midwest

01:16:17.960 who had an 18 year old guy joined their shower with his dick hanging out while they were trying to

01:16:22.520 shower for gym they were 14 year olds John Oliver you don't know what you're talking about shut up

01:16:29.180 until you get actual facts and don't you dare purport to be fair on this issue with your fake facts and

01:16:35.200 your fake there are just no studies until you've done two seconds of research call Peyton McNabb why

01:16:41.500 don't you actually look into the cases it's so infuriating Stu because to your point he's a he's a

01:16:47.740 leftist god they love him and the reason he did that I guarantee you is because he saw Gavin Newsom

01:16:54.220 say I it's it's an issue of fairness and he's he sees the numbers that this is now an 80 20 issue

01:17:01.400 and he's trying to reel back in his side and by the way he's got some trans producer high up in his

01:17:09.100 ranks who I'm sure he was trying to pander to and all leftists want to pander to this community

01:17:14.000 they don't give a damn about women okay I'm done that was awesome I completely agree with you

01:17:24.060 it's and honestly it's soulless right imagine being you know this this guy who can have this type

01:17:30.640 of audience who can bring this many millions of people to the table and what you use that for is

01:17:36.240 to mock a young teenager who went through serious injuries and now has to live with those injuries

01:17:42.940 possibly for the rest of her life to defend some you know revolting and obviously untrue left-wing

01:17:50.420 talking point that you're so locked into your ideology and so so locked into serving that weird

01:17:56.060 god that you're serving um that you're going to take a victim like this poor girl who was bashed in

01:18:03.120 the face with a volleyball I mean I I'm a dad of a 12 year old girl uh she played volleyball I can't

01:18:10.080 even describe to you I really hope that her uh father does not watch that John Oliver monologue I hope

01:18:18.820 he doesn't get wind of it because the anger that would be brought up when you're talking about

01:18:23.400 your daughter all you think about is protecting them and hoping that they don't go through something

01:18:27.380 like that one time and to see it defended as if it's this uh brilliant and yet and somehow on the uh

01:18:36.720 the the side of of loving uh this loving nature that the left tries to portray we're only doing the

01:18:43.920 nice thing we're doing the kind thing by allowing boys to bash volleyballs into the into the faces of

01:18:50.960 your daughters I can't even imagine I mean I'm angry about it I can see you are as well I can't

01:18:56.060 even imagine what her family members are feeling when seeing something like that I mean it's a

01:19:00.500 disgrace it really is her parents want to punch him in the face or maybe they're nicer people than I

01:19:04.580 am they probably are but then he's like oh it's really it really kind of all just boils down to disc

01:19:09.320 golf that's what it's always it's all about disc golf meanwhile it's like he doesn't touch on what's

01:19:13.760 happening to women's rugby which is being overtaken in in various towns and places by these guys and

01:19:20.380 that is danger he's like there's no danger in track that's talk about missing a large portion of the

01:19:27.420 point it is unfair these girls work their whole lives to have the glorious feeling of victory which is

01:19:35.280 being stolen from them and then he says like these runners in Connecticut also inaugural guests of

01:19:40.520 the show we weren't on the air I don't know 50 episodes before I put these girls on who were running

01:19:45.700 in Connecticut in high school and were were losing to guys who had run as men the previous season

01:19:51.460 zero hormone therapy fully intact fully hormonal post pubescent men running against them as teenagers

01:19:58.160 who were starting to steal the medals he's like well they didn't lose every race to these guys

01:20:04.400 that's like telling um somebody who has to run a bike against somebody who's doping or fight in the

01:20:14.160 ring against somebody who's on steroids when they're not well you got that one round off of them I mean

01:20:18.880 you got that one race so what are you complaining about it doesn't address the fundamental unfairness

01:20:23.760 that the fight is rigged the whole contest is rigged the fact that in this circumstance or that outlier

01:20:29.900 it could be overcome by somebody extraordinary does not disprove the basic unfairness of it

01:20:36.200 I totally agree with you the only thing I would actually quibble with you at all on all of that

01:20:42.440 Megan is when you said he was missing the point because in some ways that sort of insinuates it was

01:20:47.360 unintentional he knows the point he's missing it intentionally he's hiding all of these facts

01:20:53.800 intentionally and a lot of this comes from the fact that Oliver comes from this this old like John

01:20:58.200 Stewart tree where you're allowed to basically ignore facts to make jokes I'm just a comedian I'm

01:21:04.160 just saying the funny thing and it is infuriating you're allowed to be the authority on everything you

01:21:11.560 say until you get caught and then you just say I was just joking he 100 knows every single example

01:21:17.980 you talked about and if he doesn't know it certainly someone on his staff knows all of them

01:21:22.520 they intentionally hide those things to his audience who swallows it like suckers over and over and over

01:21:28.400 again and I would be angry like if I were listening to your show Megan and you're explaining an important

01:21:33.140 issue and you intentionally left out facts that disproved the point you were making I would feel

01:21:39.740 betrayed by you I would feel anger at the host who was doing that because I'm the idiot that goes into

01:21:47.520 work the next day and makes this big case and then looks like a fool for whatever reason the left doesn't

01:21:53.220 have that instinct they don't care if they get lied to over and over again by like by people like John

01:21:59.020 Oliver and that is what he's doing he's going out there he's misleading them it might help actually

01:22:05.000 Republicans at the polls that the left believes this and they try to die on this hill that is

01:22:09.520 as you point out at least an 80 20 issue but it doesn't make it right he should be embarrassed

01:22:14.400 by it and it is it's the type of thing that is done so frequently on the left wing the media side

01:22:20.700 of things that I it's it's really irritating and especially if you happen to be the father

01:22:26.080 of a young kid who has had to deal with the consequences I mean I just there's there's no

01:22:32.460 there's no redeeming value there Megan you're getting me very fired up but there's nothing

01:22:35.840 redeemable about what he did yeah oh go ahead and dig in John and let your side dig in on this

01:22:43.080 issue and you'll get spanked again at the next election and the one after that and the one after

01:22:48.560 that because we've already won on this issue you sound like a caveman with those ridiculous arguments

01:22:54.840 it's it's absurd it's mind-bending that he's allowed to get away with this you know I mean

01:23:00.300 it's it's actually shocking this is JK Rowling's reaction for what it's worth I understand why men

01:23:07.380 like Oliver who have consistently mocked anti-science people on the right sold out initially they didn't

01:23:13.820 want to blow up their careers talking fashionable or taking fashionable anti-women's rights positions

01:23:19.760 was the cost of doing business but it's time to read the fucking room yeah read read the room he

01:23:26.740 doesn't he doesn't care he wants points in the woke bank which is a bankrupt account stuber gear thank

01:23:35.300 you thanks so much for being here hey thanks so much Megan I appreciate it okay I mentioned it a

01:23:41.920 minute ago Jason Redman is an extraordinary man and he's been on the show multiple times you guys have

01:23:48.300 met him but I first met him at a benefit for Navy SEALs back in like 2008 we went through this the

01:23:57.020 last time he came out trying to pinpoint the year but it was many years ago I was young at Fox and

01:24:02.540 in a room full of Navy SEALs I mean they were all extraordinary and had amazing stories and there

01:24:08.940 were a lot of injured vets there too because this is in the height of the Iraq war he stood out as one

01:24:14.160 of a kind he had suffered catastrophic injuries including to his face as I mentioned he had 37

01:24:19.600 surgeries and he was the most positive happy warrior you'd ever know in your life you'd ever

01:24:28.980 be privileged to know in your life and just his his behavior his attitude his mental toughness was

01:24:36.920 inspirational and remained that way for me for years and then I finally had him on and times 100

01:24:43.340 he's here next with the woman he worried would not stand by him in the face of these injuries he'd

01:24:50.340 heard too many horror stories about women abandoning their guys when they suffered these kind of

01:24:55.100 catastrophic injuries and for the first time we get to meet Erica along with Jason next life is busy

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01:28:15.540 now we turn to marriage let me tell you if my next guests can weather the storms of matrimony then

01:28:25.980 there is hope for everyone joining me now US Navy SEAL Jason Redman you might remember we had Jason

01:28:31.580 on in 2023 for our Memorial Day show episode 560 so worth your time to go back and just listen to that

01:28:38.760 whole thing his story's incredible and inspirational to say the least and now we have his wife Erica also

01:28:46.100 joining us because together they have released a new book Mission Invincible Marriage a battle-tested

01:28:53.740 guide to an enduring relationship and I'm so excited to dive into it with them welcome to the

01:28:58.180 show Jason and Erica great to have you Megan great to see you again oh great to see you too so Erica

01:29:03.520 you're you're the star sorry Jason I've already talked to you I I am so excited to talk to Erica

01:29:08.540 you're the star what we've talked to Jason about so many times about how he got hurt in Fallujah he's

01:29:15.800 he's there bandaged up you know he's got he got blown up which you know they all tell you don't get

01:29:20.420 blown up but he got blown up and started hearing the stories the terrible stories about unfortunately

01:29:25.260 too many women who peace out they cannot handle the stress of what they know is coming their way

01:29:31.440 as fiancés as wives as you were and instead he woke up to you kissing him and telling him we got this

01:29:39.460 I'm with you and and remembering the salt of your tears oh it's like it's so moving so explain to us

01:29:48.640 how how was that your reaction and not this other one that's that apparently all the other wives have

01:29:55.520 made yeah you know we were fortunate that I think we really have had time um so many military families

01:30:04.600 sometimes don't always get that time but we had really built a good foundation um you know I don't

01:30:11.980 think either of us had anticipated you know we thought about what if he was killed or you know all these

01:30:17.980 other things and I'm pretty I'm pretty positive person so I did a pretty good job of pushing all

01:30:22.680 of that um but I don't think either of us ever anticipated you know getting severely wounded that

01:30:28.980 just wasn't something that you know we had thought through or really prepared for um so I don't know

01:30:35.340 you know he he laughs but I feel like I kind of was in mom mode like I really didn't I didn't think

01:30:41.020 about it so I think that we just had you know we had a really good strong foundation and we were

01:30:46.700 fortunate for us when adversity hit I I don't think I thought much about it I did did whatever

01:30:53.500 needed to be done and I think that that made us stronger but there is we we've seen it where there's

01:30:59.580 so many couples that there's not that strong foundation um they definitely don't seem to to make it through

01:31:06.160 that right and then these poor guys have the loss of their love in addition to the loss of the life

01:31:12.380 they knew and it's such a role reversal let's face it you know I mean when you marry a navy seal it's

01:31:17.580 like I think generally like this very strong protector tough guy and you know you're going to be taken care

01:31:23.220 of and then to see him severely wounded and you have to be the protector and the caregiver for a good

01:31:28.600 long while um of course Jason never never saw life like that I'm sure because I've just gotten to know

01:31:35.180 him a little bit but it is a role reversal and you can see how it could cause big disruption in even a

01:31:41.160 good marriage but you so your book I I mean it's about how do you save a marriage and how do you

01:31:48.000 get past this this wasn't the biggest test of your marriage it was more after he got through the

01:31:54.460 injuries and you know you tell me but it's more like Jason this mental toughness this thing that led

01:32:00.420 you guys to work on this Jason gave me a copy of this note that he put outside his door hold on

01:32:04.900 I'm actually sure the audience sees it um this like this mental toughness was very good and got

01:32:12.660 Jason through all those surgeries and so on but it had a downside and I would say from what I read

01:32:18.240 that was more your toughest period can you I'll start with you on that Jason what was it how would

01:32:22.640 you describe what you were doing in your marriage that was not so great well I think uh for many of our

01:32:28.920 warriors you know so many people want to focus on the physical wounds and obviously mine I wear on my

01:32:33.820 face so they really stand out I mean people oftentimes they look at amputations and things

01:32:38.540 like that but so often it's the invisible wounds we carry I mean Megan you nailed it I mean if a

01:32:44.020 marriage comes to an end oftentimes a career comes to an end I mean really that individual is lost

01:32:49.300 trying to find themselves and where they go from here and I was starting to encounter that although I

01:32:53.960 had a strong family I was now transitioning out of the military my SEAL career was ending and

01:32:58.880 I'll be honest everything really was good should have should be good I mean physically you know

01:33:04.740 my surgeries were coming to an end um and and I was I was on the path we had created a non-profit

01:33:13.320 doing successful things our family was good but I don't know why I started to struggle mentally I

01:33:19.320 you know combination of post-traumatic stress and transition and you know in the protector

01:33:25.040 community law enforcement fire and military that's a really hard time for us when you give up something

01:33:30.680 that was so much part of your identity and now you're stepping into the second phase of your life

01:33:36.180 and uh I wasn't managing it well uh I think the combination of some of the post-traumatic stress

01:33:42.280 not sleeping the combination of the transition led me to uh self-medicate drink too much and start

01:33:50.240 pushing Erica and my family away and she tried to allow me to figure that out which is so funny

01:33:57.440 almost all of us do the same thing it's the opposite of what you should be doing you should

01:34:01.400 be asking for help but that's hard for us we've always been we're the ones that go save other people

01:34:06.800 um so when we're the ones struggling it's very difficult to be vulnerable and say hey I'm really

01:34:13.040 struggling and uh I think Erica recognized that we had built a strong enough foundation um and she

01:34:20.300 tried to give me time but she recognized I was kind of I was getting ready to drive off a cliff

01:34:25.980 and uh she needed to do something and she was really smart and how she approached it and I think the way we

01:34:31.740 had built ourselves that she knew how to approach it so that I would listen I mean it's so beautiful

01:34:38.700 it's like it's very very strong of you to be able to admit that because it would be so much easier to

01:34:47.680 say this is the this is the story it's all right here this is the story you know saying I should read

01:34:53.240 it to the audience in part because it's just so amazing and then I'll finish making my point but this

01:34:56.780 is what Jason and Erica hung outside of his hospital room and now this is on display at Walter Reed

01:35:02.280 uh when he was healing attention to all who enter here if you are coming into this room with sorrow

01:35:09.700 or to feel sorry for my wounds go elsewhere the wounds I received I got in a job I love doing it

01:35:15.200 for people I love supporting the freedom of a country I deeply love I'm incredibly tough and will make a

01:35:20.520 full recovery what's full that is the absolute utmost physically my body has the ability to recover

01:35:25.540 then I will push that about 20 further through sheer mental tenacity this room you are about to enter

01:35:31.120 is a room of fun optimism and intense rapid regrowth if you are not prepared for that go elsewhere

01:35:38.540 signed the management I read the whole thing how can you only read part of that and um so this is

01:35:44.860 important in its own message and this was exactly the right headspace I think for you at the time and

01:35:49.220 you both shared in it but then the second piece is so real it's so real as the kids say real um where

01:35:57.720 you get your body and your mental tenacity gets you through the the toughest period and then there's

01:36:06.060 like a resettling and that can be the pain the most painful part and the fact that you're admitting

01:36:14.340 it Jason as a former Navy SEAL that's going to help a lot of guys because they they might be going

01:36:18.640 through it right now feeling weak or like they're the weak one everybody else was tough all along and

01:36:24.260 never had this and the fact that you saw it Erica and spoke up to it and actually said to him I don't

01:36:33.200 want this to be the beginning of the end of our marriage and and that's what it's starting to feel

01:36:37.200 like that's incredibly powerful it was such a shock and I know babe I'll let you go in a second but

01:36:46.080 I think people need to understand number one the most dangerous battlefield we'll ever walk on is

01:36:50.560 right here and number two uh I think people often say to us like hey you guys are so lucky you know

01:36:59.580 not everybody has what you have um but we were very intentional it took years of building ourselves to get

01:37:06.500 to that point and we had established a rule right from the very beginning it was part of our rules of

01:37:11.880 engagement that we talked about in the book you never bring up divorce or the end I mean for us

01:37:17.240 the end was death that was it so when Erica said that in that car I felt like I'd been blown up

01:37:23.660 mentally it's so shocked to me that that came out of her mouth that it it and it wasn't accusatory like

01:37:31.900 hey you need to figure your beep out uh or I'm gonna divorce you I mean it was it was so

01:37:37.860 it was like a surgeon with a scalpel who made this tiny little surgical cut that penetrated my brain

01:37:47.040 to say you got to do something here and I'll turn it over to her what she was thinking yeah go ahead

01:37:52.780 Erica so going back to the sign on the door I was just gonna you know touch on that was such a pivotal

01:38:01.480 thing during that time frame and and because Jay is 99 of the time so positive and that sign um

01:38:11.700 absolutely shows that but that was such a huge thing and I just think people should never underestimate

01:38:17.500 the power of positivity it made it easier for me to support him and stand behind him um not to say

01:38:25.340 that every day was you know that we didn't have bad days that would there you know some days were a

01:38:30.320 struggle um I mean we hit a lot of roadblocks but overall I mean we had music playing and everybody

01:38:36.700 always said our room was like the fun room and um and I think that that's been throughout our

01:38:42.720 relationship but definitely during that time and I think so many people can relate to years later when

01:38:48.880 things weren't going right um the kids were good he was essentially done with surgeries the

01:38:55.740 non-profit was doing well everything was good um so so it should have been happy and you know I think

01:39:03.520 we talked about a little bit the rules of engagement that we were so careful when we you know we were

01:39:09.100 positive we didn't get into a fight and say um you know this is it I want to separate I want to

01:39:15.160 divorce those were things that were off limits so I think that we had really built that foundation

01:39:21.440 and we had the trust so that when I did you know kind of say if we don't if we don't do something

01:39:28.000 different if you know if we don't fix this this will be the beginning of the end um it it absolutely

01:39:34.480 um you know took it you know he took that very seriously and I'm grateful that he took it serious and

01:39:44.440 took action it was seismic and it was like tectonic plate moving it because it was so off limits and I love

01:39:51.400 that rules of engagement to put it in terms that most military vets can get um that the rules as

01:39:57.540 I understand and my my husband and I have these same rules although I don't know we've ever like

01:40:01.600 you know written them down like this but uh yes do not we always say don't make the relationship the

01:40:06.000 stakes of any argument you know which is I think the same thing as what you guys are getting at

01:40:09.440 uh no name calling totally agree we don't fight below the belt basically and I like you also have

01:40:15.720 don't bring up past like transgressions do I have them am I missing one

01:40:20.920 yeah you can never never say divorce or no ultimatums um yeah no name calling no uh no

01:40:29.880 bringing up the past that's good that's that is what you're really saying and I got this from them

01:40:34.320 uh I don't know them they said it publicly is uh the the famous Kevin Bacon Kira Sedgwick advice of

01:40:40.480 keep the sex dirty and the fights clean and it's it's kind of like a rule to live by in any good

01:40:46.800 marriage right like I love it when you're at your angriest is when you have to actually be have the

01:40:53.060 most self-control in your day-to-day life because this is someone you love and you don't win if this

01:40:59.760 person loses it's it's a net loss for the relationship for you for the family you actually

01:41:05.420 do have a lot of good advice in here for arguments you know I think something we talk about is not

01:41:12.020 only keeping the fights clean but also I think knowing your partner and knowing when to give

01:41:17.760 space um we talk a lot about giving space in the book and sometimes um you know Jay can run rather

01:41:26.500 rather hot I can get rather emotional so it's taking those cues when you know I definitely we

01:41:33.280 definitely feel like you always need to address it so that you don't carry those arguments forward

01:41:38.600 um but sometimes knowing when to say all right let's take let's take a little break and and come

01:41:45.460 back to address it because you're you're not getting anywhere at the moment well and one you know the thing

01:41:51.160 that we were talking about a moment ago Jason is really interesting to me because I think a lot of women

01:41:56.040 have the same objections to their husband's behavior as Erica had to yours even if the circumstances are

01:42:03.980 totally different where they think the husband is too withdrawn and not sharing any of his stuff like

01:42:09.940 men I think generally have a natural instinct to deal with it on their own this is why the teenage

01:42:15.740 suicide rate is super high in places like Montana because in cowboy culture or military culture the

01:42:23.440 message is cowboy up you know like you're fine and the last instinct is to go cry on the wife's

01:42:31.660 shoulder about the fact that you are definitely not fine so like a lot of it like it was brave of Erica

01:42:38.040 to say I see you drifting away from me and I see you not talking to me and I can feel the separation

01:42:44.380 like on a fundamental level and it was brave of you to to say you're right so how did you get to that

01:42:51.300 like there you know right now there are other guys listening to this like I don't think I can talk

01:42:55.300 about this yeah I mean and and man the mental health crisis that's happening within not only our

01:43:03.680 country but within the veteran law enforcement and fire community is is a problem and it's only

01:43:09.420 exacerbated by in my opinion a little bit of uh the victim mindset so there's a balance that we need to

01:43:15.540 have one it's okay to say hey I'm struggling but number two it's on you you have to take action

01:43:21.340 you know and I meet I talk about this oftentimes when I speak to organizations about mental health

01:43:27.180 that you know linking everything back to different stories related to the military number one

01:43:33.980 um we call it a failed breach so when we're going into a building and we need to breach a door

01:43:40.120 you know we'll use explosives or mechanical tools or whatever it is and if we don't succeed the first

01:43:46.540 time it's called a failed breach well no one stops and suddenly goes oh we got a failed breach let's just

01:43:52.400 quit and run away um we have to continue to find the things that will work for you and that's what I try

01:43:58.440 and encourage you know any guy out there that's really struggling um you have to figure out what works

01:44:05.780 for you what worked for me this is why when Erica said that to me I kind of went on a journey of man

01:44:11.500 I did counselors I did chaplains I did all kinds of different therapies to figure out how to heal

01:44:17.180 myself uh and navigate through that I meet other guys that'll say well I tried what you tried and

01:44:22.820 that didn't work for me well and I'd be like well how many other things did you try and they'd be like

01:44:26.820 that's it and I'm like well why would you I mean you train your entire career on how to problem

01:44:32.140 solve and create contingencies and attack things from five different angles if the first four didn't

01:44:37.160 work so why are you approaching this in the same way so it's just um you got to communicate and number

01:44:44.400 two you got to figure out what works for you and if it doesn't work the first time you got to attack

01:44:49.580 it from different angles the other thing I love that you guys do and are recommending for people in

01:44:55.200 the book again invincible marriage it's called mission invincible marriage uh by uh Jason and

01:45:01.580 Erica uh Redman is um humor I I completely love this as a tool I've told the audience before my

01:45:09.220 husband's very good at this if we have an argument we'll separate you know rooms or whatever and he

01:45:15.140 always comes to me he's the because he can't stand being in an argument and and I'm I run hotter so it

01:45:20.580 takes me longer to calm down uh so he'll come back and he's less emotional in general but anyway he'll

01:45:25.020 he'll come in and he'll say I forgive you and I accept your apology it just like out of nowhere

01:45:33.300 it always makes me laugh you know anyway can you speak to that Erica like the importance of humor

01:45:40.980 in navigating your marriage and your arguments and all of it yeah absolutely I mean Jason's always

01:45:47.640 talked about even in in seal training and in buds like sometimes so often that that made a difference

01:45:53.720 for them and I think everyone will agree that you know doing that at work or having humor at work

01:46:00.460 but I you know are we are we making that effort to also take that into to the home and into your

01:46:06.620 relationship um but there's there's no doubt that we definitely have little sayings or little phrases

01:46:12.640 sometimes if things are stressful or if there's tension um it is it is kind of just a great way

01:46:19.020 that kind of makes you pause and like like think okay it's not you know this is not that big of a deal

01:46:24.780 uh we we recently you know launched a new business which um almost became a whole new chapter in the book

01:46:31.300 but um you know we lots of little phrases that you know when we're both tired and exhausted you know

01:46:37.760 that we'll look at each other and we're like oh okay you know take a deep breath and so it absolutely

01:46:43.100 makes a difference well I think it's very interesting because of course that must have been a huge tool

01:46:48.340 for you guys in in you know seal training and throughout your time as a CLJ yeah humor's humor is

01:46:57.740 the best medicine I mean don't take yourself too seriously I feel like America has gotten too sensitive we

01:47:02.960 were it's like you have to be offended by everything and and man just take a breath I

01:47:08.820 mean have a little joke have some fun I mean Erica and I have always done it from the very beginning

01:47:13.820 um uh I think there was one time we were dating and I think we sat in an empty bathtub with our clothes

01:47:20.960 on we were still I don't know how this ended up happening but I sat in there and I told her every

01:47:25.520 stupid joke I could think of and I thought I was like the wittiest guy on the planet but I figured out

01:47:30.540 later she was just laughing at me she wasn't laughing at any of my terrible jokes but it was

01:47:36.360 yeah it was the start of our relationship that is built um you know there there are hard times in

01:47:43.960 this life there's a lot of stress in this life um yeah try and break it with a little bit of humor

01:47:49.880 and a little bit of fun you know and the immortal words from the movie hey lighten up Francis like

01:47:54.860 let's you know let's laugh a little bit I had a relationship expert on the show a few years ago

01:48:00.600 and she said especially for long-term relationships like a marriage novelty novelty novelty and she said

01:48:06.860 the novelty could be you try a new recipe together you go to a new movie together or you watch something

01:48:12.120 on Netflix you've never seen together or it could be you know we go to Japan on some walking tour you

01:48:17.280 know like whatever it can be big or small but she was saying that's that's a key thing I like that a lot

01:48:22.440 again we're talking to Jason and Erica Redmond about the book Mission Invincible Marriage which

01:48:27.800 everybody needs to buy right now please buy multiple copies by the way Father's Day and Mother's Day are

01:48:34.020 coming up so don't wait do it now Mission Invincible Marriage and at the heart of the relationship as I

01:48:39.900 understand it you guys is you you have something that a lot of people say they have but they don't

01:48:43.700 actually have which is a friendship and it seemed to kick off that way right from the get-go Erica you

01:48:49.300 guys seem to be joking right from even though your relationship began in a lie began in a lie as I

01:48:53.320 you can explain what that means but your friends before anything

01:48:56.680 yeah absolutely I mean that was that was such a key thing early on I do think that that helped

01:49:06.680 during you know during these difficult times that we've that we've gone through over the last 24 years

01:49:13.160 and I think that that's also making a huge difference for us right now we're at we're kind

01:49:20.720 of at a new interesting stage our our kids are all young adults they're all leaving the nest the the

01:49:27.860 youngest is in college and and I'm excited about it like our kids are all doing great so that makes me

01:49:36.060 that makes me happy and but I know that this is a really difficult time for a lot of couples and I

01:49:42.120 I feel like like we're doing good and I I think that because we are friends and because we had that

01:49:47.900 friendship um that this makes this time this transition um that much easier

01:49:53.220 mm-hmm and I mean uh you started in a lie because Jason told us this story before but

01:49:58.600 he lied and said he was a boxer because he was out with a bunch of navy seals the night he

01:50:01.940 met you and they didn't want to be like we're navy seals and then tough guys around them wanted to

01:50:06.800 like challenge them to a fight so you thought you were gonna date a boxer but not exactly no it was

01:50:13.240 a little bit more complicated than that as it turns out listen I think it's a great idea that you guys

01:50:18.260 did this I it I think it will definitely resonate with a lot of service members uh and former and

01:50:22.860 current but beyond that beyond that because I I I have a I'm blessed to have a very healthy happy marriage

01:50:29.480 and I think a lot of the stuff you guys are doing we're doing and I recognize them as tools we're using

01:50:34.620 whether we'd identified them or not so thank you thank you for your service and your sacrifice both

01:50:40.560 of you and for writing mission invincible marriage all the best guys yeah Megan thank you I mean it's

01:50:48.240 never too late I mean I think there's a lot of people that say oh you know our marriage is okay or

01:50:53.800 I'm not married but there's so many tools in there whether you're someday you're gonna get married you're

01:50:59.060 in a marriage or maybe you feel like it's too late I don't think it's ever too late to go back

01:51:02.720 there's a lot of tools that you can uh get realigned and and get back on course and celebrate

01:51:08.520 in the goals and dreams which is something Eric and I have always done look into the future and

01:51:12.800 where are we gonna go so that's what this book will help you with right on if you guys can do it

01:51:17.920 anybody can do it truly I mean it's like no one's had bigger challenges thrown at them

01:51:21.960 than the two of you had god bless you yeah Megan thanks so much for having us on yeah thank you

01:51:29.160 oh so nice to meet you Erica come back soon absolutely all right oh wow gosh it's so great

01:51:37.400 to hear stories like that I just you you move on with your life and you you can get too complacent

01:51:42.400 about like they write about that in the book actually complacency and how it's it's a marriage

01:51:46.460 killer um but you can get complacent about the sacrifices that our men and women in uniform have

01:51:52.260 made for us especially now that those wars are over right and and they never really end for the

01:51:57.580 guys who are over there or their families they never end the the trauma in a way is always going

01:52:03.400 to be with them and ongoing and they find their own ways to deal with it and some better than others

01:52:08.120 but it's something it's an act of sacrifice as well for them to put those private moments down on paper

01:52:13.620 and share them with everyone because they want to help you whether you served or not whether your

01:52:20.160 marriage is you know a service marriage or not you know in between service personnel so anyway let's

01:52:27.280 help them okay let's help them please buy mission invincible marriage and help the wonderful special

01:52:33.800 Jason and Erica Redmond today and help yourself you know what if that what if reading this book could

01:52:38.840 be the beginning of a reinvention in your own relationship check it out tomorrow Tim Dillon

01:52:45.300 is here that's gonna be fun we'll see you then thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show no BS

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 10, 2025

American Freed by Trump, John Oliver's Outrageous Segment, and Saving Your Marriage, with Stu Burguiere, and Jason and Erica Redman ｜ Ep. 1046

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