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00:00:30.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly and welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show's bonus episode.

00:00:35.440 Today featuring some of our most interesting interviews of 2025

00:00:39.840 of the ones that took place in person.

00:00:42.660 They range from comedians like Andrew Schultz, my God, he's hysterical,

00:00:47.020 and Tim Dillon, same, here in studio with me,

00:00:50.680 to Caroline Levitt and Marco Rubio in Washington, D.C.

00:00:54.620 Zachary Levi and I sat down together as did Dave Portnoy and yours truly

00:01:00.940 in the SiriusXM headquarters in New York City.

00:01:04.680 That was fun and great.

00:01:06.720 It was very interesting.

00:01:07.480 Zachary Levi, he's a big Hollywood star.

00:01:09.620 He had a team.

00:01:10.920 Dave Portnoy showed up with no one.

00:01:13.180 I always love seeing how they show up, how they come to the venue.

00:01:18.520 They were both interesting.

00:01:19.520 Zachary's all heart, Portnoy's all brawn and brains.

00:01:24.080 Enjoy and see what you think.

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00:02:40.940 This whole thing is about your journey with Emma and trying to conceive a baby.

00:02:46.220 And, I mean, no detail is spared.

00:02:48.200 Yeah.

00:02:48.860 But so it's very personal.

00:02:50.060 It's unusually personal for you.

00:02:51.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:51.960 Did you run it by her first?

00:02:53.620 So the thing was is, yeah, at first, like, you know, this is the most, like, male thing.

00:03:00.240 Like, but I assume that the reason why we couldn't is because it was her fault, right?

00:03:04.100 And I talk about it in the special where I'm, like, she was really concerned it was her fault

00:03:07.880 and I was really concerned it was her fault.

00:03:09.240 Like, we were all really concerned.

00:03:10.720 It's obviously her fault.

00:03:11.560 Yeah, because, like, men, we have this, like, confidence in our sperm that, like, there's

00:03:15.560 no real reason why, but we just know, right?

00:03:18.480 Like, every time I've ever had sex with a girl, I was, like, oh, my God, this is going

00:03:21.860 to be crazy.

00:03:22.420 Like, what should we do?

00:03:23.600 How do I, you know, calling the next month.

00:03:25.960 I know she's pregnant, guaranteed, which I now know is a waste.

00:03:28.820 And once we found out that her ovaries were perfect and my sperm was horrible, it actually

00:03:35.320 made it a lot easier for me to talk about.

00:03:37.540 Really?

00:03:38.260 Yeah, because I think the reason why, like, anybody who has fertility issues, one, it's

00:03:42.200 very isolating because you're so protective of the person that you love that you don't,

00:03:47.240 a lot of women feel a lot of shame around this.

00:03:49.060 Yep, true.

00:03:49.740 And at first, I felt, like, real shame.

00:03:52.400 I was, like, does God not want me to have a child?

00:03:54.240 Like, I was, like, I didn't understand it.

00:03:56.120 Like, I think I'm, like, a pretty good person and I'm kind to people and I'm, like, why is

00:03:59.660 this happening?

00:04:00.200 Like, what the fuck is going on?

00:04:01.780 And, yeah, so I get that.

00:04:04.140 And a lot of women, if they are struggling, they're just, like, they feel like it's, I

00:04:08.800 don't feel very stigmatized, right?

00:04:10.560 And, but once she was perfect and I was fucked up, I could get on stage and it was really cathartic

00:04:16.300 to talk about it.

00:04:17.320 And then once I started talking about it, I literally thought that I was, like, this was, like, a

00:04:23.000 one in, like, 10 million thing.

00:04:24.740 Oh, wow.

00:04:26.120 The second I started talking about it, all my friends started telling me that they're

00:04:28.580 doing IVF.

00:04:29.460 Oh, wow.

00:04:30.140 And, like, all these people in the audience would hit me up afterwards about, oh, yeah,

00:04:33.780 you know, same thing happened.

00:04:34.740 And I was, like, what the fuck?

00:04:35.920 Is this, like, the last taboo subject?

00:04:38.620 How did anybody ever get pregnant before IVF?

00:04:40.420 Because everybody's doing it.

00:04:41.340 Dude.

00:04:42.460 It is, like, it's unbelievable.

00:04:44.720 It's almost, like, I was, like, does anybody really get abortion?

00:04:49.440 Like, I'm, like, it's so hard to get pregnant.

00:04:51.920 Why is this an issue?

00:04:52.840 Like, how often do these athletes have unprotected sex if they have 20 kids?

00:04:58.300 Like, I couldn't believe it.

00:05:01.020 It was unfathomable.

00:05:02.200 So, but then it became, like, as brutal as it was, there was these kind of funny moments,

00:05:06.900 that being one of them.

00:05:07.720 Yeah.

00:05:07.860 Just that, the humility.

00:05:10.260 Going into the room with the lady.

00:05:12.300 We just talked to the audience.

00:05:13.480 You know, Doug came in to say hi to Andrew in the commercial break.

00:05:16.520 And we were bonding over our shared experience because he and I did IVF with our kids, too.

00:05:20.260 And Doug joked that after he had to donate the sample, first he said he was going to wear,

00:05:25.740 like, a red crushed velvet smoking jacket on his way in and on the way out.

00:05:29.880 He was just going to be like, that was fantastic.

00:05:32.160 I was amazing.

00:05:33.260 Yeah.

00:05:33.440 I was always thinking about, like, do I make noises in there?

00:05:35.600 Like, how uncomfortable do I make it for the other guys at the clinic?

00:05:38.980 Like, just screaming random things.

00:05:40.960 Yes.

00:05:41.700 Sesame Street.

00:05:43.140 Just something crazy.

00:05:44.900 But yeah, it's like, it was crazy.

00:05:46.860 It was like a walk of shame when you're walking by all the other guys there.

00:05:49.180 Everybody's there.

00:05:49.700 Oh, God.

00:05:50.180 I know what you're about to do.

00:05:51.160 It's so humbling.

00:05:52.620 You're just sitting in this room.

00:05:54.320 Like, all of you are in there.

00:05:55.840 You're like.

00:05:56.120 So why did they make you go in to give the sperm sample?

00:05:58.620 I didn't think, couldn't they?

00:05:59.600 So I did it from home once.

00:06:00.760 Okay.

00:06:01.940 The whole, I don't even, I haven't even put, like, a lot of the stuff in it.

00:06:04.780 But, like, the whole journey was brutal.

00:06:05.980 So the first one I did from home, which was, like, I'm in the room.

00:06:09.460 My wife, like, hands me the thing.

00:06:11.140 Like, it's, like, homework.

00:06:12.060 And she's like, okay, I'll give you 30 minutes.

00:06:14.040 You go do your thing.

00:06:15.140 I'm going to go outside.

00:06:16.200 Or I'm going to do the dishes.

00:06:16.900 So, like, I hear her doing the dishes in the background where I'm, like,

00:06:21.180 being mandated to masturbate.

00:06:23.100 And I'm, like, on our bed.

00:06:25.600 Like, I don't think I've ever masturbated on a bed.

00:06:27.820 Like, I'm just on our bed.

00:06:28.960 And the bed is made perfectly.

00:06:30.820 Like, everything is, like, set up.

00:06:32.400 And I remember at one point, like, I'm just, like, I don't know.

00:06:35.220 It's just, like, so weird.

00:06:36.200 And I, like, looked up.

00:06:37.520 And the TV was off.

00:06:38.760 So it was just a black screen.

00:06:40.540 So it's a perfect mirror of me.

00:06:42.380 Oh, no.

00:06:42.980 And I was just, like, this is the saddest day of my life.

00:06:46.220 I'm sitting Indian style on my bed.

00:06:49.220 Oh, no.

00:06:49.440 Trying to make a sample of going to scum.

00:06:51.820 We send that sample in.

00:06:53.880 It comes back.

00:06:55.120 And it's, like, it's not good.

00:06:57.500 And they're, like, not only are they not swimming, they're, like, shaped weird.

00:07:00.400 And I was, like, a little defensive.

00:07:02.900 So I was, like, well, could that be from, like, the speed that they hit the cup?

00:07:06.820 Like, maybe, you know, the blunt force trauma kind of warped them a little.

00:07:12.480 The flow is just too strong.

00:07:13.420 It was too strong.

00:07:14.220 That's what it is.

00:07:15.860 And they're, like, no, that's definitely not it.

00:07:18.480 And I was, like, okay.

00:07:19.460 And they go, well, why don't you do this for, like, a couple months?

00:07:23.620 Wear baggy underwear.

00:07:24.940 Ice your balls every single day.

00:07:26.240 Oh, ice them.

00:07:27.140 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:27.760 Whoa.

00:07:28.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:28.980 I guess that's a big thing.

00:07:31.300 Don't drink anymore.

00:07:32.200 Don't smoke anymore.

00:07:33.640 And take these pills.

00:07:34.900 And then we'll try it again in, like, a month or two.

00:07:37.080 And I did that.

00:07:38.320 And we tried it again.

00:07:39.380 And it got worse.

00:07:41.440 No.

00:07:43.180 What?

00:07:43.740 And I was, like, why do you think that is?

00:07:44.980 And the doctor was, like, we've never seen this before.

00:07:48.260 There's some pride in that.

00:07:49.380 Yeah.

00:07:49.700 It's got to be a little bit.

00:07:50.420 I'm setting records.

00:07:51.120 I'm setting records.

00:07:51.740 I told a story one time when Dave Rubin was on, but Doug had the funniest experience there

00:07:56.620 where they make you ejaculate, like, 24 hours before the real sample that's going

00:08:03.320 to be, like, your future kid.

00:08:04.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:04.880 They want you to clean the house.

00:08:06.180 Yes.

00:08:06.500 It's, like, I can't remember if it was 24 or 48 hours.

00:08:08.280 I think it's 48 hours before.

00:08:09.320 Yeah.

00:08:09.440 Okay.

00:08:09.980 So, but they want it to be 48.

00:08:13.040 Yes.

00:08:13.400 And they don't really want it to be 46.

00:08:15.120 Nope.

00:08:15.240 Or 44.

00:08:16.060 Because you need the amount of time to build up the new batch.

00:08:18.240 Yes.

00:08:18.520 So, like, timing does matter.

00:08:19.940 It just so happened that on one of ours, we were visiting my, my Nana, who was literally

00:08:26.680 like 90 at the time.

00:08:28.100 And we were playing dominoes.

00:08:29.540 And I was like, oh, Doug, it's time.

00:08:32.400 He was like, what?

00:08:33.580 I'm like, you got to go in there right now.

00:08:35.800 My poor husband.

00:08:37.360 And he was like one of these older persons homes where, like, there's five inches between

00:08:41.520 the bottom of the door and the ground.

00:08:43.360 You can hear every piece of conversation.

00:08:45.880 The dominoes, like, you're palming the double five.

00:08:48.520 You know, and Doug said, you're behind the door.

00:08:50.200 So is he.

00:08:54.160 This is horrible, poor Doug.

00:08:56.020 This is the thing about this.

00:08:57.080 Do what you got to do.

00:08:58.200 The journey is brutal when you're in it.

00:09:00.760 It is the hardest thing that you'll go through in your life.

00:09:03.320 Sorry, definitely the hardest thing we went through.

00:09:05.380 And, but after the fact, it is hysterical.

00:09:10.100 Yes.

00:09:10.900 Like, there's.

00:09:11.720 Can't believe what you've been through.

00:09:12.780 Yeah.

00:09:13.100 And like, there are so many of these things that are so funny.

00:09:15.640 And the beautiful thing about having a child is you get this, like, amnesia for what you

00:09:20.220 went through to get there.

00:09:21.480 I think that's actually kind of, like, built into our DNA so that we keep making them.

00:09:24.920 I totally agree.

00:09:25.800 You know, like.

00:09:26.160 Same.

00:09:26.400 Women have been saying that for eons because of the pain of labor.

00:09:29.700 Yep.

00:09:30.100 And it's so, you know, devastating.

00:09:32.920 Yeah.

00:09:33.200 And then you forget all about it.

00:09:34.520 I never had labor because I had three C-sections.

00:09:36.540 Yeah.

00:09:36.680 Yeah.

00:09:36.980 My friends tell me it's extremely painful.

00:09:39.140 Oh, my, Emma was in there for 24 hours and then she had the C-section because the baby's

00:09:43.540 heart rate dropped.

00:09:44.260 Oh God, that's scary.

00:09:45.180 Yeah.

00:09:45.360 The whole thing is, is, is terrible.

00:09:47.120 When you were doing the shots before to prepare for the IVF, like, did you have any fun mood

00:09:52.420 swings or anything?

00:09:53.280 Oh yeah.

00:09:53.700 I, I was actually fine.

00:09:55.600 I did not have weird mood swings, but it was very funny because Doug does not like he,

00:10:01.420 his mom got this terrible cut in her leg and it was so brutal.

00:10:04.400 And Doug was right there, he bandaged it up, he put the medicine out.

00:10:07.760 I was like, I can't take that kind of injury, but you pull out a needle and Doug is one of

00:10:14.200 those like, oh, so he, so he couldn't get the shots for you.

00:10:17.680 But he had to in the beginning, as it turned out, he didn't have to, but we thought he did.

00:10:21.320 Yeah.

00:10:22.160 Because in the beginning, they really make it up into a thing.

00:10:24.040 Like you got to mix the compound and it's like kind of back in a hard spot to reach.

00:10:27.320 You got to ice the area.

00:10:28.660 Oh my God.

00:10:29.280 Like our future family depends on this.

00:10:31.400 Yeah.

00:10:31.900 And Doug was in a hot, like a cold sweat.

00:10:34.740 And the superintendent of our building at the time, his name was Lance.

00:10:37.760 And they were like, it's very important that your wife have a partner that helps with it.

00:10:40.380 And Doug is like, this is going to be very hard for Lance.

00:10:42.500 Yeah.

00:10:45.160 But he, he did it.

00:10:46.720 Good for him.

00:10:47.260 He did it.

00:10:47.360 He got it through.

00:10:48.040 But honestly, by the third child, you know, he, Doug was no part of it.

00:10:51.360 I was like, I need no ice.

00:10:53.160 I'm good.

00:10:53.860 Boom.

00:10:54.200 We're done.

00:10:54.820 Yeah.

00:10:55.160 Off to the races.

00:10:55.720 It is crazy that they make you mix it at home.

00:10:57.960 So anybody who's not familiar, they give you these two, uh, I guess, hormonal compounds

00:11:02.640 and you have to put them together in the syringe.

00:11:06.260 In just the right proportions.

00:11:08.400 I'm like, why isn't this done at the lab?

00:11:10.160 And then we just hit it.

00:11:11.380 Like you don't have to make the Kit Kat, right?

00:11:13.560 Like make the bar and then send it to me.

00:11:15.960 And I remember like watching my wife do these things, making sure it's the right amount.

00:11:19.640 You've got to push a little out.

00:11:20.800 So no air gets in there.

00:11:22.080 Right.

00:11:22.380 Right.

00:11:22.600 So you don't give yourself an air bubble, like life or death.

00:11:24.860 Like literally, and she's like, did I push too much out?

00:11:27.600 Will I not get it?

00:11:28.560 Is this, but there, yeah, there was fun.

00:11:31.260 I mean, Emma would get like, it would really get her going.

00:11:34.060 Would she get angry or just overly emotional?

00:11:36.320 Oh, angry.

00:11:36.920 Like, but we didn't know that that was the cause.

00:11:40.440 So like, I remember we got into it at a Japanese restaurant.

00:11:43.900 You don't realize how quiet those restaurants are until you're having like a loud blow up with

00:11:47.940 like, and you know, the only thing interrupting the blow up, cause everybody is already quiet

00:11:52.840 at a Japanese restaurant.

00:11:53.680 And then once you have like a verbal altercation, they're really quiet.

00:11:58.160 Oh, I love when somebody has a fight and I'm nearby.

00:12:00.860 Oh my God.

00:12:01.740 Doug and I, like, he'll start talking.

00:12:03.060 I'll be like, be quiet.

00:12:03.640 This is too important to me.

00:12:04.560 You got to lock in.

00:12:05.080 Everybody was locked in.

00:12:05.960 They're just slurping udon and watching us.

00:12:07.860 And the only thing that would interrupt it is like when a new person would walk in and

00:12:11.420 you know, the whole, the whole restaurant has to go,

00:12:12.680 Emma would feel like they were interrupting our argument.

00:12:20.480 So, so, so we're fighting.

00:12:22.680 Emma goes, are you kidding me?

00:12:24.360 And then back to yelling at me.

00:12:26.520 It's just amazing.

00:12:28.160 Well, were you, so you weren't that guy who was like, she's going through a lot.

00:12:31.020 These are just her emotions.

00:12:32.000 I'm just going to, I'm going to let, I'm going to let everything slide.

00:12:34.720 I'm not going to get mad about anything.

00:12:36.200 We didn't know that it was the case.

00:12:38.000 So we didn't know until literally that night I go, Hey, did we do the shot?

00:12:43.500 We did the shot today.

00:12:44.340 Right.

00:12:44.600 And she goes, Oh shit.

00:12:45.460 And we're walking down and we were on Kenmare Street.

00:12:47.680 That's when you put it together that she's hormonal.

00:12:49.720 And then, and then she was also like, Oh fuck, I guess I'm like really reactive to this.

00:12:55.060 And then from then on, we stopped going to Japanese restaurants.

00:12:57.980 And then how about after she had the baby?

00:12:59.420 Did she have like, cause you're sleep deprived.

00:13:02.420 You're very hormonal.

00:13:03.680 It's the most insane thing.

00:13:04.900 If you're, did you breastfeed?

00:13:06.200 Yeah.

00:13:06.600 Okay.

00:13:06.940 That is the, I think that this is, I think that is the most difficult part of child rearing

00:13:15.340 is the, the, if you are breastfeeding full time, like meaning every two hours, that is insane.

00:13:23.460 Yeah.

00:13:23.660 It's a lot.

00:13:24.640 That is insane.

00:13:26.380 Every two hours.

00:13:27.160 So you're waking up, I don't think a lot of people know this.

00:13:30.520 You're waking up every two hours in the night.

00:13:32.260 You don't get more than an hour of sleep at a time.

00:13:35.140 It's truly like a, like an astronaut training situation.

00:13:38.100 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 No, it's brutal.

00:13:40.220 But then, then it, it lets up a little.

00:13:43.340 When it lets up, there's this beautiful bonding experience that you have with your child.

00:13:46.400 And like, it's something even now, like Emma's still breastfeeding and it's just this thing

00:13:51.020 that she's like, she doesn't even want to let go of it.

00:13:52.900 Yeah.

00:13:53.460 Well, then you get to like the six month mark where the baby can start having like smaller,

00:13:57.240 like a solid food.

00:13:58.220 Yeah.

00:13:58.980 And they're still having breast milk.

00:14:00.820 And you're at the point now where like, you're, you're producing the more, more milk than ever.

00:14:04.580 And yet the baby's somewhat getting a little independent.

00:14:06.980 Yep.

00:14:07.220 And the weight comes shredding off.

00:14:09.860 That's the best moment where you're like, I'm making tons of milk.

00:14:14.140 All these calories are coming off for free.

00:14:16.540 Oh, cause your body is burning calories.

00:14:18.580 But your, your baby doesn't need as much milk as from you as he needed it five months.

00:14:23.240 Cause now he's starting to eat food, but your body doesn't know that.

00:14:26.420 So it's still burning like 800 calories a day.

00:14:29.040 You're like, Oh my God, I have a waste again.

00:14:31.940 There's a normal ass.

00:14:34.300 Thank you, sweet baby.

00:14:36.500 I always say they're selling breastfeeding to moms all wrong that you would care about

00:14:39.780 the health of our babies, but we know that babies who are formula fed are fine too.

00:14:43.220 You have to sell it to them like Ozempic.

00:14:44.980 You'll be skinny.

00:14:45.780 Yes.

00:14:46.000 It is natural Ozempic.

00:14:47.140 It's natural Ozempic.

00:14:48.120 Let that baby suck the fat out of you.

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00:16:40.100 So there's your babe who was born in July.

00:16:43.120 That's your little boy.

00:16:44.040 My little boy.

00:16:44.780 What's his name?

00:16:45.540 Nicholas.

00:16:46.140 And we call him Nico.

00:16:47.260 Aw.

00:16:47.780 Yeah.

00:16:48.640 I know we talked about this a little backstage at the Super Bowl, but how are you handling,

00:16:54.320 I mean, true new motherhood is not even a year and this crazy job.

00:16:59.620 Yeah, it's a lot.

00:17:01.740 No denying it.

00:17:04.040 He's seven months.

00:17:05.780 I had him in the midst of the presidential campaign three days before the president almost

00:17:12.560 lost his life in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:17:14.780 My son was born on the 10th.

00:17:16.320 The president was shot on the 13th.

00:17:17.860 It was my first day home with him from the hospital.

00:17:22.260 And it kind of threw me right back to work much sooner than I would have probably expected

00:17:28.300 or hoped, but becoming a mother in the midst of this very chaotic political world that

00:17:34.240 I work in has been the best thing I could have ever imagined because it gives you great

00:17:40.200 perspective and it humbles you.

00:17:42.220 And my son doesn't give a crap about my job.

00:17:45.840 He just wants me to come home and snuggle and play toys and be present.

00:17:50.620 So it's, you know, a difficult balance to prioritize being good at my job and being good as a mother.

00:17:57.800 But I just try to prioritize my time and carve out that time when I can.

00:18:02.280 And I'm so grateful to have the support system I do.

00:18:04.880 A great husband who can be very present with our child.

00:18:07.600 And then, of course, a wonderful mother and father and friends who chip in when I need them.

00:18:12.880 Your parents must be so proud of you.

00:18:14.140 I think so.

00:18:14.900 I hope a grandchild and access to President Trump in the same year.

00:18:18.780 My mom actually was in town this week to help with our baby because my husband had some work

00:18:23.300 things to attend to.

00:18:24.480 And she came to my briefing yesterday.

00:18:26.920 She was in the room.

00:18:28.140 I was like, are you sure you want to go in?

00:18:29.440 She'd get annoyed by pesky reporters being rude.

00:18:31.960 Well, I brought in some backup yesterday.

00:18:34.020 I brought in my colleague, Walt and Stephen and Kevin.

00:18:37.160 So a lot of the questions were for them.

00:18:39.000 So I asked her after.

00:18:39.980 I said, how was it?

00:18:40.600 She was like, thank God all the questions weren't to you today.

00:18:43.340 I would have been dying in there.

00:18:44.800 So she enjoyed it very much.

00:18:46.060 That's my nana who died at 101.

00:18:48.780 She was in her elderly years, not that able to like get out and around.

00:18:53.460 So if I had an important court argument that was on tape, I would show it to her.

00:18:58.260 And she would get so mad at the judges.

00:19:00.660 She didn't think that they should be allowed to ask me any questions.

00:19:03.460 She didn't like opposing counsel.

00:19:04.760 Why is he saying that about you?

00:19:06.100 So they don't totally get it.

00:19:07.900 It's a motherly bias that we have for our babies.

00:19:11.320 All right.

00:19:11.540 So you are balancing with the baby.

00:19:13.900 Can I just ask you one other question on that?

00:19:15.380 Because we talk about it all the time, especially on the right.

00:19:18.340 And I too am a working mom and always have been.

00:19:21.940 I've been a professional woman since I graduated from college or law school.

00:19:25.480 But now there's, I think, a good thing, which is like the restoration of valuing so-called traditional moms.

00:19:32.900 And that's great.

00:19:33.760 The women who take care of their kids full time.

00:19:36.380 Most of my best friends are doing exactly that.

00:19:38.500 But it seems like in the right, there's like some a bit of a shift toward like you can't do what Caroline's doing.

00:19:43.860 That's actually like an unsafe or a dangerous or a bad choice for families, for children, which I reject wholesale.

00:19:51.780 But you hear it more and more.

00:19:53.200 Yeah.

00:19:53.620 Do you hear that?

00:19:54.480 And what do you think of it?

00:19:55.080 I would reject that it's a bad choice.

00:19:57.500 Is it a tough choice?

00:19:59.000 Absolutely.

00:19:59.400 You know, as a mother, you want to be with your child 24-7.

00:20:03.740 You have that maternal instinct.

00:20:06.120 Like 27.

00:20:06.260 Yeah.

00:20:07.000 Not all the time.

00:20:08.300 Well, right now, yes, because he's seven months and just squishy and lovable.

00:20:11.260 But I'm sure that will change.

00:20:12.780 No, but, you know, you do have that maternal instinct.

00:20:15.940 But also recognizing, like, I'm doing this work for my son and for all children to make this country better.

00:20:23.180 And it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

00:20:26.020 It's also very, it's temporary, right?

00:20:28.160 In four years, my son will be four years old and the president will no longer be at the White House.

00:20:33.700 And then I'll move on and do something else.

00:20:35.940 But, you know, this chaos of 24-7 work is a temporary matter.

00:20:41.920 And that's what at least I tell myself to get through these very long and hard days.

00:20:45.480 But I would reject that you can't be a good mom and be good at your job.

00:20:49.520 I think you can do both.

00:20:51.900 Certainly, it's not for everybody.

00:20:53.720 And it takes a lot of work and will and faith and prayer.

00:20:59.720 And it's hard, but it can be done.

00:21:03.480 And, you know, I would reject that.

00:21:06.500 We can't chase our great conservative moms out of the workforce.

00:21:10.580 Right.

00:21:11.020 We need them.

00:21:11.560 Then we get rid of you.

00:21:12.180 We get rid of Katie Britt.

00:21:13.320 We get rid of Usha Vance.

00:21:14.540 Right.

00:21:14.880 Like, this is not the way Amy Coney Barrett is not out of the Supreme.

00:21:17.780 Like, that's not, that should not be the place the conservative movement lands.

00:21:21.740 I agree.

00:21:22.760 All right.

00:21:23.320 So now you start as White House press secretary.

00:21:25.580 And were you thrilled to get that invitation?

00:21:27.620 Of course.

00:21:28.420 Yes.

00:21:28.800 I was very humbled and honored.

00:21:30.700 And I was campaigning, you know, with the president over the past year through the court trials.

00:21:36.780 We sat in that courthouse in Manhattan with the Bragg trial.

00:21:40.840 So many rallies.

00:21:41.840 And we worked so damn hard to win that election.

00:21:44.500 But you must have really wrestled with how you were going to meet the high bar set by Kareem Jean-Pierre.

00:21:48.640 Was that?

00:21:51.020 Sorry.

00:21:51.740 Sorry.

00:21:52.260 Was that out loud?

00:21:53.160 No, she was terrible.

00:21:54.180 Yeah.

00:21:54.700 I mean, come on.

00:21:55.280 Yeah.

00:21:55.740 So how is your approach different, would you say?

00:21:58.740 I think it's vastly different.

00:22:00.780 And if you ask people, even in the legacy media, even the Trump haters, they will tell you the approach has been much different.

00:22:08.360 Not just for me, but the entire White House.

00:22:10.300 Oh, absolutely.

00:22:10.920 They come in my office every day and they'll admit that off the record.

00:22:13.820 Maybe not on the record, but they will say they appreciate the access and the transparency and the preparation that goes into my briefings.

00:22:22.880 And everybody on our team, by the way, who goes out to the cameras and speaks.

00:22:27.420 We have great policy experts who are great spokespeople for the president.

00:22:31.760 And they appreciate the information that they're being given.

00:22:36.240 They're also exhausted, by the way, because we are doing so much.

00:22:39.240 And not even in a, like, a wussy, sad little way.

00:22:41.500 Like, they must be exhausted because it's just nonstop.

00:22:43.600 It's insane.

00:22:44.380 Yeah.

00:22:44.560 So who's your least favorite?

00:22:48.120 Well, I did have a bit of a tiff this morning outside with our friend Peter Alexander at NBC News.

00:22:55.080 So it was great.

00:22:56.580 We'll drop in a clip of it where he was really pressing you on whether there's going to be criminal prosecutions for this alleged fraud and the waste fraud and abuse.

00:23:05.780 According to an IG report from the Social Security Administration, there was $71 billion worth of fraud in one single fiscal year that we know about.

00:23:14.560 And so that is a lot of fraud, Peter.

00:23:17.100 To be clear, that $71 billion was from 2015 to 2022.

00:23:21.240 So it wasn't in just one year.

00:23:22.840 And it was $71 billion.

00:23:24.560 But it wasn't in one year, just over multiple years, from 2015 to 2022.

00:23:29.200 So are you defending $71 billion in fraud, Peter?

00:23:32.540 That's a lot of money.

00:23:34.320 Why is the media so against cutting waste, fraud, and abuse from the government?

00:23:37.340 I don't get it.

00:23:38.020 I just want to ask a question.

00:23:38.800 We won't be deterred.

00:23:40.100 We will not be deterred from people like you and the press.

00:23:43.140 You said something that wasn't true, which is you said that they have found before that they believe there have been tens of millions of people who are receiving money who are dead on the Social Security list.

00:23:53.680 The same report that you referred to said that almost none of those individuals are receiving money.

00:23:58.040 Peter, did you watch the full clip of the interview that I did when I said that?

00:24:01.400 And I said there are a lot of unanswered questions, and we suspect there could be tens of millions of people.

00:24:09.480 So you just said what I said is not true.

00:24:11.920 In fact, it was true.

00:24:13.460 That's a suspicion that this administration has, and we're committed to finding out the truth.

00:24:17.140 It perplexes me and also infuriates me why the media continues to make excuses for our government spending billions and billions of dollars in wasteful money.

00:24:26.800 Maybe they don't mind, but I know there's millions of people watching that do mind.

00:24:30.800 So we're going to keep doing what we're doing with Doge.

00:24:33.380 It was a pretty incredible exchange where it was like $71 billion has been spent on fraudulent payments.

00:24:39.540 And he's like, oh, but that was over many years.

00:24:41.560 Does it matter?

00:24:42.500 Hello?

00:24:42.900 There's one report that showed $71 billion.

00:24:45.660 What are you talking about?

00:24:47.080 Eyes on the ball.

00:24:47.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:49.000 All right, so that's good.

00:24:49.700 I'm glad to hear the NBC guys out.

00:24:51.260 Good choice.

00:24:53.080 Sorry, Peter.

00:24:53.780 How do you prepare?

00:24:55.620 Because you can't know everything, and you could get asked anything.

00:25:00.220 And unlike Karine Jean-Pierre, you're not out there reading and furiously flipping through your tabs to try to find an answer somebody else has written for you.

00:25:09.760 So how are you preparing?

00:25:11.140 So I did prepare a binder for the first briefing.

00:25:16.200 My great assistant, Keegan, put it together.

00:25:18.440 And then I showed up to work, and it was like this thick.

00:25:22.860 And I was like, I can't even move this.

00:25:26.640 I can't use this.

00:25:27.960 It was too cumbersome for my brain and the way I learn and think and study to have that.

00:25:33.880 It felt like added weight.

00:25:35.380 And I said, I want to just go in there and speak from my mind and from my heart.

00:25:40.580 Like your boss.

00:25:41.540 Like my boss.

00:25:42.760 And I've been working for my boss now on the campaign.

00:25:46.420 I know the policies we're enacting.

00:25:48.400 We've been talking about them for years.

00:25:50.960 And in school, I was that way.

00:25:53.600 Like studying, I would just read, highlight, memorize, articulate.

00:25:59.180 And then it goes off to the side.

00:26:00.420 Yeah.

00:26:00.720 And you talk.

00:26:01.360 Exactly.

00:26:02.300 And so that's been my method of preparation.

00:26:05.040 No nerves?

00:26:06.420 The first briefing, I was certainly nervous.

00:26:08.640 I think any human would.

00:26:09.780 And I'm not afraid to admit that.

00:26:11.220 But it must have been cool, too, to get up there.

00:26:13.040 It was.

00:26:13.820 You know, once I got up there, I realized, okay, like, I can do this.

00:26:17.700 I can do this.

00:26:18.300 I know what I need to know.

00:26:20.420 And now I feel very, you know, comfortable and confident.

00:26:24.640 And, you know, I will never get complacent because I understand the weight of the responsibility

00:26:29.660 on my shoulders speaking on behalf of the president of the United States.

00:26:32.880 So I remain as prepared today as I was on that first day.

00:26:36.280 And I hope that's true four years from now.

00:26:38.040 And I have we have amazing people in that building who are so smart and know everything about

00:26:44.160 every topic.

00:26:44.840 And I rely on them.

00:26:46.100 You know, I call Stephen Miller or Mike Waltz's team or Kevin Hassett all the time.

00:26:52.000 And I'm like, please explain this to me because I don't understand.

00:26:55.240 But you do.

00:26:56.060 So what's going on?

00:26:57.860 What's what's the most interesting or surprising thing you've seen at the White House?

00:27:01.800 You know, like this isn't a building you spent a ton of time in before.

00:27:04.680 No.

00:27:05.040 Oh, the people you see every day, especially with President Trump and his calendar of meetings,

00:27:13.860 you know, walking through the West Wing lobby, you can see anybody from Tim Cook to Tiger Woods,

00:27:18.240 as I saw yesterday.

00:27:19.160 So, you know, when you see it sounds exciting as Joe Biden's White House with the cocaine.

00:27:23.280 Yeah, it's good.

00:27:23.960 Exactly.

00:27:24.560 It's good.

00:27:24.940 And Hunter hanging around.

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00:28:04.860 He did take over at the National Institutes of Health at HHS this week, and he made a comment,

00:28:12.500 which he's made before, but it doesn't get old, on how meaningful it was for him and how

00:28:18.400 important Trump has been really in changing Bobby Kennedy's life.

00:28:22.020 Listen.

00:28:22.380 Yeah.

00:28:22.520 For 20 years, I've gotten up every morning on my knees and prayed that God would put me

00:28:31.440 in a position where I can end the childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country.

00:28:36.260 On August 23rd of last year, God sent me President Trump.

00:28:42.720 And he gave me, Mr. President, a lot of people told me that I couldn't trust President Trump,

00:28:50.640 that I better get it in writing.

00:28:52.640 And we did a handshake, and everything that he told me he was going to do, he has done.

00:28:58.680 And I'm so grateful to him, and I've told you before, I genuinely believe that you are

00:29:05.560 a pivotal historical figure, and you are going to transform this country.

00:29:12.540 Yeah.

00:29:13.080 What a moment.

00:29:13.780 Yeah.

00:29:14.200 Oh, man.

00:29:14.740 I watched it multiple times.

00:29:15.980 And I've heard him talk about that before, about him being in prayer and petition for 20 years.

00:29:22.660 I mean, I can feel it.

00:29:26.240 I cried when, I mean, I cried when I was filming in Eastern Europe, Eurasia, when the election

00:29:34.720 was happening.

00:29:35.520 Like, I think I even was, when I was talking to you, I was over there or something like that.

00:29:39.420 But, and so we were up, you know, hours before the U.S. was up.

00:29:43.720 And so I was seeing the results, the poll results and stuff like that.

00:29:46.760 And I was just like, wow, I can't believe it.

00:29:48.800 This is actually happening.

00:29:49.720 Like, they were able to keep all of the potential, you know, things at polls and ballot boxes

00:29:56.740 and everything, like, legit.

00:29:58.360 And then getting Bobby across the line was no easy feat.

00:30:00.780 And so, and that's what I was saying to the other day, to finally, because that was one step.

00:30:05.300 And then it's like, okay, but we still got to get Bobby, Tulsi, you know, all that.

00:30:07.620 And so the other day I was on a flight home and I'm seeing the confirmation.

00:30:13.980 And I just started crying on the plane because I really do, like, I know this man.

00:30:19.240 I know him personally.

00:30:21.160 And I know that he has the integrity that that's the, and so does Tulsi, to go and be a leader

00:30:28.180 that is non-corruptible.

00:30:30.540 There are far too many people, even good people, but it's like, you dangle that just little

00:30:34.260 bit of like, oh, I could, I mean, I'm going to do good, but I'm also going to, I'm going

00:30:38.700 to take a little bit.

00:30:39.500 And then that starts with a little bit.

00:30:40.860 And there's a little bit of compromise.

00:30:41.920 And then it's a little more compromise and a little more compromise.

00:30:44.260 And next thing you know, they're not doing any of the good.

00:30:46.120 They're just in, you know, enriching themselves with insider trading or whatever it is that

00:30:49.800 they're doing.

00:30:50.560 And this guy means it.

00:30:52.540 He means it.

00:30:53.520 And, and I, and he, and I absolutely agree with him.

00:30:56.760 And, you know, like, I love that even when people saying like, oh, you better getting

00:31:00.760 in writing and, you know, don't trust that guy.

00:31:02.980 Trump meant it.

00:31:04.460 Yeah.

00:31:04.880 He meant it.

00:31:05.560 And that should show everybody too.

00:31:06.960 Like, yes, he's bullish and Trumpy and all of the things, things that I don't like.

00:31:11.820 I get it.

00:31:12.240 I also understand why people have such a hard time voting for somebody like that, because

00:31:16.680 you want, you don't want your leader to, to have certain egotistical aspects about

00:31:22.120 him, put all that down for just a moment and see the things that he is doing well, is doing

00:31:26.940 right.

00:31:27.680 Man of his word.

00:31:28.920 That was a hard confirmation.

00:31:30.840 Both of those were hard.

00:31:32.300 Like not only did the Democrats not want it to happen, but even these rhino Republicans,

00:31:36.380 Mitch McConnell, blah, blah, get that guy out of there as soon as possible.

00:31:41.620 I mean, he's just going to freeze himself out of there anyway, but like it happened.

00:31:45.920 Yeah.

00:31:46.320 And if that's not God at work to help heal this country in this world, I don't know what

00:31:51.520 is.

00:31:51.720 And here it's like, even if you are against Trump, if you're against Bobby Kennedy, whatever

00:31:54.960 you believe about him, like, listen to what he's saying he's going to do.

00:31:58.460 Listen and ask yourself, wouldn't this be great?

00:32:02.040 What's so bad about this?

00:32:03.260 Here he is going on in soundbite eight.

00:32:06.560 Take a listen.

00:32:08.820 We will convene representatives of all viewpoints to study the causes for the drastic rise in

00:32:15.300 chronic disease.

00:32:16.700 Some of the possible factors we will investigate were formerly taboo.

00:32:20.760 or insufficiently scrutinize a childhood vaccine schedule, electromagnetic radiation, glyphosate,

00:32:30.840 other pesticides, ultra processed foods, artificial food alternatives, SSRI and other psychiatric

00:32:39.200 drugs, PFAs, PFOAs, microplastics.

00:32:44.700 Nothing is going to be off limits.

00:32:46.500 Yes.

00:32:48.760 Praise God.

00:32:50.700 Exactly.

00:32:51.260 He hit it all.

00:32:51.960 Like, isn't that what the right on?

00:32:54.700 But isn't that what someone in his position should have always been doing?

00:32:57.920 Yes.

00:32:58.280 And every one of those regulatory agencies should have always been doing.

00:33:02.180 Yes.

00:33:02.460 The FDA should have been on top of all of this instead of just taking handouts from lobbyists.

00:33:05.460 No, they're doing studies on like trans fish and COVID vaccines and how many 14th, 15th

00:33:12.300 versions we need.

00:33:13.580 This is exactly it.

00:33:14.920 He hit all the stuff that's unhittable.

00:33:16.880 Who the hell else is talking about EMF and that glyphosate?

00:33:21.100 I can never pronounce it.

00:33:22.700 That's all right.

00:33:23.000 But they're spraying it all over our wheat, which is why it's in every box of pasta that

00:33:28.120 you buy and you don't even know it's in there.

00:33:29.980 These pesticides that are all over our food.

00:33:32.020 Both parties are guilty.

00:33:33.440 The Republicans represent a lot of farmers too.

00:33:35.140 We love our farmers, but the farmers too, I'm sure, would love to find some way of getting

00:33:40.440 rid of these toxic chemicals so they don't have to swim in them all day and they can create

00:33:44.400 products that are actually healthy and good for us and taste good.

00:33:47.280 No one's even talking about this other than him.

00:33:49.460 Yeah, it's a brave new world in the most positive of ways, I hope, I believe.

00:33:56.020 I mean, Lord knows there's still people working in the shadows and the darkness that are trying

00:33:59.800 to derail a lot of these things.

00:34:01.420 So I don't think we're out of the woods just yet.

00:34:03.380 There's still a lot of work to do, right?

00:34:05.040 Same as they're going to try to derail every step of doge.

00:34:07.660 Every bit of it.

00:34:09.020 But we must continue to stay in prayer and petition and believing that something really

00:34:15.560 good is happening right now and do it with empathy.

00:34:18.500 Make sure that people are not being just lost in this shuffle.

00:34:22.580 You know, that is my appeal and I meant it and for all people.

00:34:26.100 But I think that these are things that have been long, long, long overdue, long overdue.

00:34:33.140 And we deserve it.

00:34:35.240 Everyone deserves this kind of transparency.

00:34:37.500 Like light is the best disinfectant.

00:34:39.460 Like just get in there.

00:34:40.380 Just look at it all.

00:34:41.560 Let's have a real coming to Jesus moment.

00:34:43.640 And we need to do that with all things.

00:34:45.280 We need to bring the American public in on a lot of these things that have been secretive.

00:34:49.660 And no, no, no.

00:34:50.140 We can't tell them like rip the Band-Aid off.

00:34:52.100 SSRIs talking about that openly.

00:34:53.760 I mean, that has been more out there in the conversation.

00:34:56.220 But it's very bold for the HHS director to say we actually are going to be looking into

00:35:00.320 these.

00:35:00.900 It's just Americans are taking the antidepressants like they're candy.

00:35:04.160 And they don't realize why they're not getting better.

00:35:06.280 And then they up the dosage.

00:35:07.400 And then they try a different one.

00:35:08.380 And then they up the dosage there.

00:35:09.900 And there's no actual public health official being really straight with them on the downsides

00:35:14.640 of these drugs and how there might be alternative ways not to rip on those drugs.

00:35:18.040 They have been helpful for a lot of people.

00:35:19.380 But they're not for everybody.

00:35:20.720 And it's the first line of defense.

00:35:22.160 My friend has a daughter in college.

00:35:24.280 And she went to like the college counseling place because it can be a difficult adjustment.

00:35:29.060 They try to push an SSRI on her.

00:35:30.520 It's like, for the love of God, maybe just talk to her.

00:35:33.520 Do talk therapy.

00:35:34.780 Do cognitive behavioral therapy before we just knee-jerk give the drug.

00:35:38.520 Well, absolutely.

00:35:39.200 But I think that there's even more effective ways of solving for all of this.

00:35:44.660 And you really got to go to the source.

00:35:47.280 You got to go to the root, right?

00:35:49.220 Why are SSRIs pushed on everybody so much?

00:35:52.160 It's because there's incentive programs.

00:35:54.340 Why are vaccines and the vaccine schedule pushed on children so hard?

00:35:57.760 Because there's incentives.

00:35:58.760 Why should there be incentives for doctors to push what should just be healthy and natural and good?

00:36:06.140 You shouldn't have to incentivize a doctor to encourage their patients to do something that's been tested and is safe and effective and everything.

00:36:13.540 You just have a doctor say, oh, this is great.

00:36:15.480 So why are you having to pay them X amount of dollars bonus to make sure if they get 95% of their pediatrician gets 95% of the people in their practice and the children all fully vaxxed up and then you give them hundreds of thousands of dollars in return?

00:36:30.540 This is not okay.

00:36:31.420 So I think that if we actually start to regulate these industries, all of that downstream pushing and stuff, that's all going to kind of start to resolve itself.

00:36:40.260 And once it gets exposed.

00:36:41.700 100%.

00:36:42.100 Moreover, I think when it comes to our farming situation, listen, maybe under FDR, incentivizing farmers, getting out of the Great Depression, there was some good that they were trying to do with all of that.

00:36:53.340 But all that did was led to, it led to like bad capitalism, run amok and people in industrial farming and companies like Monsanto creating glyphosate and atrazine and all of these things that are poisoning us, which is why you can literally eat all the bread you want in Europe and you can't eat any bread in the United States.

00:37:11.880 Yeah, that's the point.

00:37:12.340 We don't have to have this on our wheat.

00:37:13.620 We don't have to eat our pasta and our bread like this.

00:37:15.480 But what I think, like one of the biggest first things that they can do is if you, instead of incentivizing farmers to do massive monocropping with industrial fertilizer, instead start incentivizing farmers.

00:37:28.260 And we, by the way, we must because to incentivize farmers to have regenerative organic farms.

00:37:34.820 Ron Johnson was just saying that this is a top priority for him.

00:37:37.540 He's from Wisconsin.

00:37:38.500 It has to be.

00:37:38.840 They're onto it now.

00:37:39.940 Because our soil is dead.

00:37:42.200 We only have so many more cycles left because the nutrients have all been sucked out of it through all the industrial fertilizing and the tilling for monocropping.

00:37:51.000 It's destroying our environment.

00:37:52.600 So people that want to solve for all of these things, guys, we can help the environment and help the soil and bring down carbon in the environment.

00:37:59.760 Like all of these things that we just go back to the way we ought to be doing agriculture.

00:38:03.920 And then you don't have to spray it with all the things because there's other, by the way, ways to mitigate pests and whatnot.

00:38:09.880 But also, that shouldn't be in a truck going 1,500 miles to a grocery store that is not local.

00:38:16.300 Grow it and sell it and eat it within a few days.

00:38:19.760 That's the way it's supposed to be done when we get back to more locally sourced.

00:38:23.840 I hear we have something in common, and that is our mutual love for Meghan Markle.

00:38:29.420 Yes.

00:38:29.880 I hear you're ready to endorse her for president.

00:38:31.480 I like her now.

00:38:33.120 I've come around on her because I, since I'm a little kid, love con artists.

00:38:37.040 I think they're great.

00:38:38.080 I think they're fun.

00:38:39.120 They're an important part of America and the tapestry of our country.

00:38:43.800 They, to me, exude a kind of effortless humor.

00:38:50.420 They're very funny.

00:38:51.320 And I find her to be a great con artist, one of the great cons of our time.

00:38:57.620 One of the greats.

00:38:58.300 You know, this is someone who came to prominence marrying into the royal family, claiming they were racist, claiming she wanted to dedicate herself to uplifting young women around the world, and is now selling jam at Target.

00:39:18.160 Yes.

00:39:18.920 That's beautiful.

00:39:20.220 She moved to the richest and whitest area of our country, Montecito.

00:39:25.320 Absolutely.

00:39:26.060 And makes honey.

00:39:28.800 There's nothing better than that, from where she started to where she is now.

00:39:34.000 And that's what I think a lot of it is.

00:39:35.320 I think a lot of people that claim to be really evolved people who really want to help other people are just trying.

00:39:43.900 She just wants a line of consumer goods.

00:39:45.780 Yeah.

00:39:46.140 That's all she wants.

00:39:46.900 We actually.

00:39:47.560 And give it to her.

00:39:48.440 We just looked this up.

00:39:49.220 So she, there was a soundbite of her saying she really wanted her merch that she's selling to be prestige.

00:39:57.320 Yes.

00:39:57.680 Not prestigious.

00:39:58.280 She wanted it to be prestige.

00:40:00.120 Yeah.

00:40:00.560 But at like a price point, everyone can afford.

00:40:03.900 Yeah.

00:40:04.100 So we looked it up.

00:40:05.100 She's got a raspberry spread under the as ever label.

00:40:10.360 Raspberry spread.

00:40:11.360 You can get it for $14.

00:40:13.020 Or you can get it at Walmart under the Smucker's label for $3.47.

00:40:19.960 Right.

00:40:20.640 Herbal lemon ginger tea.

00:40:22.120 As ever, we'll charge you $12.

00:40:24.520 Or you can get it from Yogi for $4.46.

00:40:28.520 It makes sense.

00:40:29.140 Shortbread cookie mix as ever.

00:40:31.200 We'll charge you $14.

00:40:33.060 My better batch, which is high end, $7.99.

00:40:35.800 Right.

00:40:36.160 Then there's wildflower honey with honeycomb.

00:40:39.360 As ever, $28.

00:40:41.880 Yeah.

00:40:42.120 Amazon, $11.

00:40:44.240 Right.

00:40:44.520 And then there's crepe mix, which you can get from her for $14.

00:40:47.160 Or you can get it from New Hope Mills for $5.

00:40:50.240 Yep.

00:40:50.400 So you tell me whether this person has actually landed the plane on prestige, but totally affordable.

00:40:57.660 Well, what's brilliant about what she's doing is she knows people want to spend money.

00:41:01.220 And spending money makes them feel like they're getting something that's better, even though it might not necessarily be true.

00:41:08.000 And I think it's brilliant.

00:41:09.960 You can tell when you watch the show, she thinks people just, we're all animals.

00:41:15.400 And that's her view.

00:41:17.340 She just thinks we're all monsters and we're all just kind of pigs in the mud.

00:41:22.320 And that she's helping us.

00:41:24.560 Yeah.

00:41:24.860 With jam.

00:41:25.980 Yeah.

00:41:26.300 And honey.

00:41:27.340 It's also very weirdly British, isn't it?

00:41:29.900 Yeah.

00:41:30.240 With her little flower sprinkles.

00:41:31.480 Isn't it odd?

00:41:32.300 Her garden.

00:41:33.000 It's kind of oddly British for somebody who went over there and realized it was just a racist, horrible place.

00:41:39.120 There's a lot of jam and tea and honey.

00:41:41.540 And why is she using all the, like the royal crown on her stationery?

00:41:44.940 I thought she hated being a royal.

00:41:45.940 I thought she wanted to eschew the royal life and come back to America.

00:41:49.820 Well, it seems, it's just very interesting.

00:41:52.640 And seeing it all happen in real time fills me with just, it fills me with a, like a, I recognize how much this was the plan the whole time.

00:42:02.920 And you gotta, it's got, you gotta give your hats off to her.

00:42:05.140 It's hard to enhance your brand that quickly.

00:42:07.640 Like get your name out there in a ubiquitous way.

00:42:09.940 No one needs honey right now.

00:42:12.720 No one.

00:42:12.960 No one needs jam.

00:42:14.400 There's not one systemic racist problem that she's, that, like, no one needs jam.

00:42:20.220 There's not one person wrongly accused of something or whatever, doesn't have money for a lawyer, that's looking for elderberries or wildflowers or whatever the hell she's talking about.

00:42:31.780 The only people that are concerned with this stuff are people like, she lives in an area in Montecito that's so wealthy.

00:42:37.300 They're not even on earth anymore.

00:42:38.820 No.

00:42:38.920 And it's a beautiful area, it's a great area.

00:42:40.540 But they float around and they have tea and they pick flowers.

00:42:45.180 They live in a fairy tale.

00:42:46.680 She makes sun tea.

00:42:47.880 Yeah, sun tea.

00:42:48.380 She makes sun tea.

00:42:49.720 And, you know.

00:42:50.460 Like we all have time to do.

00:42:51.480 Yeah, she just, they kind of sit around in their backyards and they enjoy this and they smell lavender and stuff like that.

00:42:57.120 Yeah.

00:42:57.760 That's not how you're living in L.A. right now?

00:42:59.320 It's not how we're living.

00:43:00.620 No, we're, we're in, we're sitting by our doors with guns.

00:43:05.660 Like normal people.

00:43:06.840 Yeah, we're sitting by the door with a gun waiting for someone to come in.

00:43:11.600 That's how we're living.

00:43:13.060 And check the sun tea.

00:43:14.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:15.220 No one's making, if you have honey in your house, you're using it as a weapon.

00:43:19.540 You don't have a local beekeeper?

00:43:20.940 No, there's no local beekeeper.

00:43:22.700 There's no gardens.

00:43:23.880 They've all burned.

00:43:24.520 They're falling down on the job.

00:43:25.060 Yes.

00:43:25.420 Yeah.

00:43:25.920 Well, I have a treat for you.

00:43:27.560 Yes.

00:43:28.040 Because in addition to her new Netflix show.

00:43:29.900 Yeah.

00:43:30.320 She has launched yet another podcast.

00:43:33.080 Thank God.

00:43:33.660 This one is about.

00:43:34.400 Thank God.

00:43:34.940 Yes, this one is about founders.

00:43:38.460 What's, how does she style it?

00:43:39.200 Is it all female founders?

00:43:40.640 Yes.

00:43:41.060 Please stop.

00:43:41.560 I think it's all female founders.

00:43:42.860 Is it female founders?

00:43:44.100 Female founders, right?

00:43:45.220 Confessions of a female founder.

00:43:46.960 Thank God.

00:43:47.600 What are they thinking about these female founders?

00:43:50.240 Oh, here you go.

00:43:50.820 What are they doing?

00:43:51.760 She starts with herself because she now considers herself a founder.

00:43:55.060 She's a founder and it's hard to find.

00:43:57.080 When you are married to a prince, how do you start a business?

00:44:00.720 You say who?

00:44:01.300 That's a real question because the struggle she had to go through being married to a prince

00:44:05.280 and being one of the most famous people in the world.

00:44:07.520 How do you start a business when you're rich and famous?

00:44:10.140 Your castle's too small.

00:44:11.460 It's hard.

00:44:12.140 Your grandmother, your spouse's grandmother doesn't seem to really like you and then dies.

00:44:18.100 Yeah.

00:44:18.280 I mean, like your one greatest connection is now out.

00:44:21.180 Thank God, because I want to know how this all happened.

00:44:24.200 And I want to get into the mind of the female founder.

00:44:26.240 Here we go.

00:44:26.760 Here's this founder discussing, I think.

00:44:29.040 Remember when she pretended to like poor people?

00:44:31.260 That lasted a few weeks.

00:44:33.300 Sex workers, I remember that with her inspo messages on the bananas.

00:44:37.140 Here she is on her new podcast.

00:44:39.280 Let's be honest.

00:44:40.540 Launching a business, it can be so overwhelming.

00:44:44.320 Even with the best of teams, it'll keep you up at night.

00:44:48.900 For example, a month ago, I was absolutely consumed with packaging.

00:44:57.800 Boxes.

00:44:59.000 It's all I could think about.

00:45:00.660 And I would sit there doing the unboxing in my head.

00:45:03.700 Is there tissue paper?

00:45:04.460 What about the packing peanuts, but they're biodegradable?

00:45:06.280 And where does the sticker go?

00:45:07.120 And hold on, what size the box is going to be?

00:45:08.660 And no, that's not going to fit all the skews.

00:45:10.280 Oh my gosh.

00:45:11.320 And then someone says, but you don't want to brand the outside of the box because a porch pirate

00:45:14.880 had never heard that before.

00:45:16.480 Or what's a porch pirate?

00:45:18.060 And then I'm sitting there and I'm like, does any of this actually matter?

00:45:21.220 Of course it matters.

00:45:22.240 It matters at the beginning.

00:45:23.400 But how much does it matter?

00:45:26.560 Oh my God.

00:45:27.940 Yeah.

00:45:28.320 I mean, it's, um, well, she's also, it's, you know, she's kept up at night because she's,

00:45:35.700 you know, half the staff quit.

00:45:37.460 That's right.

00:45:38.100 They quit.

00:45:38.580 On any given day.

00:45:39.520 On any given day, the staff will quit because she just, you know, launches into a tirade and

00:45:46.760 for whatever reason, they feel unsafe.

00:45:49.120 She's been accused multiple times of being a bullying abuser.

00:45:52.360 Well, she's throwing honey at people's heads and stuff.

00:45:55.200 So she's kept up at night wondering about what lawsuits will trickle in because of the

00:46:00.700 abusive behavior towards the staff.

00:46:02.440 You're like that.

00:46:03.260 Didn't that soundbite just hit so many of the leftist boxes?

00:46:06.120 Like, are they biodegradable?

00:46:07.460 Yes.

00:46:07.900 And what does the packaging look like?

00:46:08.800 Well, what I like about her, I actually, I've gone the other way now because now that

00:46:12.760 she's coming out as a monster, I like, like, I'm actually on board now because I'm into

00:46:20.340 it because now, by the way, she's no longer even, there's no longer even an attempt.

00:46:26.920 It's such a thinly veiled attempt to be this conscientious person who, you know, she's really

00:46:34.100 just saying like, I'm a founder.

00:46:36.460 Yeah.

00:46:37.020 I'm a founder and I'm a big business tycoon and it's tough for me.

00:46:42.520 Can I tell you, she's not the only extremely rich woman who, you know, in her case, it's

00:46:48.860 questionable, but in a lot of these other women's cases, they, their husbands are multimillionaires

00:46:53.240 or billionaires and then the women like open a charity or like give their money to somebody

00:46:58.400 and then they're like, I'm an entrepreneur.

00:47:00.680 I'm an entrepreneur.

00:47:01.660 It's like, okay.

00:47:02.280 I'm a founder.

00:47:03.080 Look, I appreciate that you gave.

00:47:04.520 I've connected people with jam.

00:47:06.300 Right.

00:47:06.600 Like.

00:47:07.060 Yeah.

00:47:07.520 I see that your husband made billions of dollars.

00:47:09.880 Right.

00:47:10.100 The fact that you spent some of it.

00:47:12.020 Right.

00:47:12.440 Doesn't make you a founder.

00:47:13.780 Well, it's also, she never cared.

00:47:15.600 You know, it was all about, in the beginning, it was all about like unwinding the systems

00:47:19.940 of oppression.

00:47:20.820 Yeah.

00:47:21.580 Remember that.

00:47:22.220 That's done.

00:47:22.760 Didn't you know?

00:47:23.380 Remember that?

00:47:24.000 She solved that.

00:47:24.640 Remember that?

00:47:25.260 It was like, she would go to like a third world country and there'd be a bunch of kids

00:47:28.920 dancing and she'd take a photo with them.

00:47:31.260 And now it seems much more about like, she's looking at like Gwyneth Paltrow, what Gwyneth

00:47:36.300 Paltrow did with her store.

00:47:37.760 Yes.

00:47:38.240 Goop or whatever it's called.

00:47:39.300 I think it's Goop.

00:47:39.900 Yeah.

00:47:39.920 Goop.

00:47:40.460 Yeah.

00:47:40.760 And I think she's looking at that and going, that's what she wants to be.

00:47:42.640 She wants to be Martha Stewart.

00:47:43.840 Yeah.

00:47:44.320 Although what I found out after the fact was she launched her show with showing you how

00:47:49.500 to make this one recipe.

00:47:50.660 It's like one pot pasta.

00:47:52.200 You make it on the stove.

00:47:53.240 And then everybody flooded Twitter with the fact that that apparently is a Martha Stewart

00:47:58.960 recipe.

00:47:59.580 Sure.

00:47:59.980 That's apparently very well known in Martha Stewart land.

00:48:02.180 Yeah.

00:48:02.320 Yeah.

00:48:02.660 So even the inaugural episode is cheating off of somebody else's recipes.

00:48:06.640 Well, I mean, you've got to hand it to her.

00:48:08.760 She knows that we don't have a memory.

00:48:11.560 Yes.

00:48:11.880 The country doesn't have a memory.

00:48:13.940 We have a fatally short memory and we're kind of tolerant of however people want to

00:48:19.000 reintroduce themselves in the moment.

00:48:21.060 Yes.

00:48:21.480 So she understands America.

00:48:22.960 I didn't know better than, than I do.

00:48:25.320 Or maybe you do because she gets it.

00:48:27.840 We love the huckster.

00:48:29.580 We root for the huckster.

00:48:30.800 We root for kind of the criminal sometimes.

00:48:33.540 And she's kind of assuming that role of going, this is who I am today.

00:48:38.220 We got to talk about Bill Belichick.

00:48:40.180 You ripped him.

00:48:40.820 Okay.

00:48:41.360 I mean, I thought it was elder abuse.

00:48:43.760 I like, honestly, what I saw there was Dr. Jill had Dr. Jill vibes, this overly aggressive

00:48:48.860 younger partner who's in this, like, apparently he looked infirm to me the way he was answering

00:48:54.480 those questions.

00:48:55.620 Like, man, who's being a take advantage of.

00:48:58.320 And all I could think was his family needs to do an intervention and get this woman off

00:49:01.140 of his back.

00:49:01.620 But can you set the stage for us on, like, what's happening with this guy?

00:49:04.620 I'll start by saying I am a diehard New England Patriots fan.

00:49:08.220 Yeah, you're from Boston.

00:49:09.580 Diehard.

00:49:10.400 I love Bill Belichick.

00:49:11.740 He's like my guy.

00:49:12.680 He's brought so many championships.

00:49:13.860 I know him personally.

00:49:15.460 He lives on Nantucket.

00:49:16.860 I live on Nantucket.

00:49:18.000 I've met Jordan.

00:49:19.040 So it's a very awkward thing to see.

00:49:21.560 I also watch that show CBS Sunday morning with the interview.

00:49:24.720 It's like my feel good show.

00:49:26.240 I just like it.

00:49:27.160 I like nature.

00:49:28.520 There's some politics, whatever.

00:49:29.940 But for the most part, that is a drink your coffee, eat your bagel, feel good show.

00:49:35.700 So I was not expecting this interview.

00:49:37.780 I was squirming.

00:49:39.500 I don't know what to expect.

00:49:41.020 I don't know what to think about it.

00:49:42.700 It certainly was awkward.

00:49:46.020 I've heard people say, you know, is she taking advantage of him?

00:49:50.420 Well, he's taking advantage of her.

00:49:51.600 He's sleeping with a very attractive young girl, 50 years younger.

00:49:56.100 I don't know why she's so involved.

00:49:58.260 Like, I really don't.

00:50:00.720 I've met her.

00:50:01.760 She's nice enough.

00:50:03.040 She's running the whole show.

00:50:04.440 I've known that a couple months ago.

00:50:06.220 How so?

00:50:06.880 Like, every piece of Bill Belichick business goes through her.

00:50:11.800 Like, she is basically – she would act – like, if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship

00:50:19.280 and that's his PR manager.

00:50:21.820 Or like an agent.

00:50:22.580 Yeah, nobody's blinking at that.

00:50:24.360 Like, that happens, I'm sure, a lot with celebs who are not going to talk about it.

00:50:27.480 Now, you combine it with Bill Belichick, who's gruff with the media and generally always handles himself.

00:50:32.900 It's just a very awkward situation.

00:50:34.960 The age gap is huge, clearly.

00:50:36.700 But she runs the show.

00:50:38.040 There's rumors.

00:50:38.880 Hard knocks for HBO was supposed to do North Carolina.

00:50:42.420 She shut that down.

00:50:43.480 That's where he's the coach now.

00:50:46.200 Yeah, he's the coach there.

00:50:47.520 So, it's just a – it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy but was always just straightforward,

00:50:58.260 no time for the media now having his life run by a 25-year-old.

00:51:02.740 It certainly is eye-opening for a guy like me.

00:51:05.740 I also know I'm going to run into probably them in Nantucket and I'm going to be carrying my watermelon out of Stop and Shop.

00:51:12.320 And I don't want it to be an awkward conversation.

00:51:14.800 She's playing it all on me.

00:51:15.460 Yeah.

00:51:15.740 Playing it all on me.

00:51:16.160 But it went super viral.

00:51:17.920 I mean, it's all anybody's talking about.

00:51:19.920 It's all – because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan, Patriot fan, everybody thought of Bill Belichick.

00:51:27.720 Well, can you – so, explain that to me because we watch the – I come into this like at a left field.

00:51:31.840 I know who he is, of course.

00:51:33.340 Even I know who Bill Belichick is.

00:51:34.500 He's the greatest coach of all time.

00:51:35.620 But I don't follow his – you know, I didn't know about the girlfriend and all that.

00:51:40.380 To me, he looked out of it.

00:51:42.600 Like, he seemed confused.

00:51:44.100 But I've never, ever seen him give an interview.

00:51:46.280 Yeah, so I've seen a lot of people, like, he's wearing a holy sweatshirt.

00:51:48.920 Or that's what he does.

00:51:50.120 Like, that is his look.

00:51:51.680 Does he talk like that?

00:51:52.800 Like, does he look confused generally?

00:51:54.840 He – generally, if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles.

00:51:58.380 And he says, I'm not going to answer that.

00:51:59.660 He's famous for not answering questions.

00:52:01.780 He's never media savvy.

00:52:03.740 Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing, seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years.

00:52:10.700 If she wasn't there, I would anticipate him just being like, I'm not going to answer it.

00:52:16.300 But he's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest in.

00:52:21.120 He just doesn't care for the media or what they think.

00:52:23.720 The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably like, I don't care what people think about me.

00:52:28.400 And clearly, he doesn't.

00:52:29.720 But I've never seen him defer to anybody.

00:52:34.740 Like, that is the most shocking.

00:52:36.420 Like, if someone else is speaking for him, that never happens.

00:52:40.140 He speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly and is always like a general in the commander of the room, really.

00:52:48.560 So to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking.

00:52:56.200 And he – go ahead.

00:52:57.340 Most of the audience has probably seen the clip by now.

00:52:58.760 But just in case they haven't, let's play it for them.

00:53:00.120 Let's play the one where she interrupts.

00:53:01.640 This is Bill Belichick on CBS This Morning with anchor Tony Dokopoul and his 24-year-old girlfriend, who's 49 years younger than he is, interrupting the interview.

00:53:13.160 Watch.

00:53:13.640 The other change for Belichick is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse, as he writes in his book.

00:53:24.020 Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.

00:53:27.400 You have Jordan right over there.

00:53:31.040 Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.

00:53:33.760 They've got an opinion about your private life.

00:53:35.580 It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.

00:53:38.780 How do you deal with that?

00:53:40.820 I've never been too worried about what everybody else thinks.

00:53:43.480 Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

00:53:46.680 How did you guys meet?

00:53:47.880 That's the truth.

00:53:48.480 I'm not talking about this.

00:53:50.120 No?

00:53:50.720 No.

00:53:51.460 It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on.

00:53:54.760 Okay, so now, how did you meet?

00:53:59.420 And she interjects, not commenting about this.

00:54:01.560 And there are reports that she actually interjected multiple times.

00:54:04.980 CBS only chose to show the one just to give the audience a true sense of how this thing went down.

00:54:10.420 And it's about the book.

00:54:11.660 And to CBS's defense, that quote that she is the muse is in the book.

00:54:17.560 It's in the book.

00:54:18.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:18.560 So, now this fight started unfolding online, this is via the Daily Mail, involving Belichick's daughter-in-law.

00:54:26.480 She's married to his son, and her name is Jennifer.

00:54:29.580 She's married to his son, Steve Belichick.

00:54:32.940 Some people were defending Jordan, the girlfriend.

00:54:36.720 For example, somebody posted, oh, former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman.

00:54:42.260 Saw that.

00:54:42.720 You know him.

00:54:43.640 Stuck up for her, saying she was merely acting how any PR person would.

00:54:47.980 Comedian Nikki Glaser also defended Hudson, saying 100%.

00:54:51.620 She's acting as his publicist.

00:54:53.860 Publicists do this during interviews.

00:54:55.820 People are out for blood.

00:54:57.520 And, first of all, I'll tell you what Jennifer, the daughter-in-law, said.

00:54:59.880 But I have done countless interviews.

00:55:03.400 Countless.

00:55:03.880 I've both given as the subject of them and done, conducted.

00:55:07.980 Literally has this, never.

00:55:09.320 I've never seen this happen.

00:55:10.580 Never.

00:55:10.980 Never.

00:55:11.540 The PR people will come to you before the interview, and they will beg you not to cover this.

00:55:17.820 Or ask after for it to be cut.

00:55:19.600 Yes, exactly.

00:55:20.500 That's their job.

00:55:21.500 As a journalist, and Tony Dokopoul is a journalist, you would say, thank you for your input.

00:55:27.200 That's it.

00:55:27.680 You would never make a promise, ever.

00:55:29.340 It's literally considered unethical to say, I won't ask about that.

00:55:33.360 You know, at most I've ever heard somebody say is, we can't make you any promises, but,

00:55:37.520 you know, we're not that interested in that subject.

00:55:39.240 Like a wink and a nod.

00:55:40.420 But never, never has a PR person ever interviewed, interjected into an interview like that.

00:55:46.240 In the middle of it.

00:55:47.080 It's very unusual.

00:55:47.780 We get people asking, if someone doesn't want to talk about it, we generally want, because

00:55:50.640 people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about, so we won't

00:55:54.640 do it.

00:55:55.460 It's strange.

00:55:56.260 I don't agree with that.

00:55:57.540 It was strange.

00:55:58.340 There are different rules if it's like a host, you know what I mean?

00:56:00.740 If you're sitting to somebody who doesn't consider themselves a journalist, very different.

00:56:03.280 And by the way, this is how talk shows get away with it all the time.

00:56:05.620 I've been asked to go on a bunch of talk shows, including Tamron Halls, like five years

00:56:10.000 ago, and her executive producer said, we'll give you all the questions in advance.

00:56:13.720 I'm like, I'm not doing that.

00:56:14.980 I felt like I don't want that.

00:56:16.380 Yeah, right.

00:56:16.720 So she got away with it because they consider that a talk show, but she's not, I guess,

00:56:20.960 calling herself a journalist anymore, or at least wasn't for that show.

00:56:23.540 Okay.

00:56:24.020 So then Jennifer, Belichick's daughter-in-law-

00:56:26.160 I'm dying to hear this.

00:56:27.240 Weighs in and says, publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm on, storm off set,

00:56:34.920 delaying an interview.

00:56:36.940 Yeah.

00:56:37.380 So I know them too.

00:56:38.640 This is all like, and that probably tells you everything you need to know about how the

00:56:42.920 family, and that's natural.

00:56:44.440 There's a story that came out in the New York Post.

00:56:46.420 I think yesterday that she accumulated like $10 million of real estate very quickly.

00:56:50.980 So I'm sure the family, based on that quote, is a little like, what is going on here?

00:56:55.540 And it's just, this is a guy that is not a pushover.

00:56:58.880 He has built his reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular

00:57:05.460 and detail-oriented.

00:57:06.960 It's just very strange to see.

00:57:09.400 He's the guy Tim Walsh was trying to convince us he was.

00:57:12.840 No jazz hands.

00:57:13.920 Yeah.

00:57:14.680 Football.

00:57:15.160 I don't even know if even he was the guy.

00:57:18.100 Man.

00:57:18.480 Yeah.

00:57:18.760 He was trying to, I think, be more like a gronk guy, but who knows?

00:57:23.020 Well, there's more.

00:57:24.320 So he, you know about this because I saw you commented on it.

00:57:27.240 So Bill Belichick posted a statement on the UNC, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill is

00:57:35.460 where he coaches, right?

00:57:36.560 Chapel Hill.

00:57:37.060 Yep.

00:57:37.200 And he wrote as follows.

00:57:39.360 I agreed to speak with CBS Sunday morning to promote my new book, The Art of Winning.

00:57:43.700 Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist.

00:57:47.040 So he's not even saying he told Tony Dokopoul or the CBS publicist.

00:57:50.460 I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon & Schuster that any promotional interviews

00:57:55.480 I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book.

00:57:58.300 Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored during the interview.

00:58:01.780 I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced, and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter,

00:58:06.540 Tony Dokopoul, and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered on the book.

00:58:10.460 After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional

00:58:13.760 relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion.

00:58:16.820 She was not deflecting any specific question or topic.

00:58:19.580 I'm sorry, Bill, but she was, but was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed

00:58:23.700 on track.

00:58:24.580 Some of the clips made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met,

00:58:27.080 but we've been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm Beach in 2021,

00:58:31.180 and goes on for them saying these are just selectively edited clips, suggested a false

00:58:36.680 narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true.

00:58:41.220 Yeah, I'm like white knuckling the table.

00:58:42.900 Uh, in my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him, there's roughly

00:58:53.500 0% chance he wrote that, but he just, he just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks

00:58:59.780 about him.

00:59:00.540 So to go write that, that my guess would be Jordan wrote that the fact it is on the North

00:59:06.100 Carolina website is insane.

00:59:08.620 Right.

00:59:09.020 It's just insane.

00:59:10.900 Um, it's shocking.

00:59:12.640 Again, it's, I'm speaking to all Patriot fans, Boston people, this guy, like if you could

00:59:20.960 have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world.

00:59:23.700 It's just so strange in this long email, crazy, the public statement crazy, but I, I'm not

00:59:29.880 even sure he knows that was written.

00:59:32.900 You're right.

00:59:33.600 Like he may not.

00:59:35.560 How does Greenland fit into all of this?

00:59:38.020 Well, the Arctic, which has gotten very little attention, but the Arctic circle on the Arctic

00:59:43.000 region is going to become critical for shipping lanes for how do you get some of this energy

00:59:46.300 that's going to be, uh, produced under president Trump.

00:59:49.480 These energies rely on shipping lanes.

00:59:51.820 The Arctic is some of the most valuable shipping lanes in the world.

00:59:54.780 As some of the ice is melting, there's become more and more navigable.

00:59:58.380 We need to be able to defend that.

00:59:59.880 So if you project what the Chinese have done, it is just a matter of time before, because

01:00:04.160 they are not an Arctic power.

01:00:05.520 They do not have an Arctic presence.

01:00:06.760 So they need to be able to have somewhere that they can stage from.

01:00:09.880 And it is completely realistic to believe that the Chinese will eventually, maybe even in

01:00:14.980 the short term, try to do in Greenland what they have done at the Panama Canal and in other

01:00:19.660 places.

01:00:20.340 And that is install facilities that give them access to the Arctic with the cover of a Chinese

01:00:25.220 company, but that in reality serve a dual purpose, that in a moment of conflict, they could send

01:00:30.160 naval vessels to that facility and operate from there.

01:00:33.860 And that is completely unacceptable to the national security of the world and to the United,

01:00:38.600 to the security of the world and the national security of the United States.

01:00:41.660 So the question becomes, if the Chinese begin to threaten Greenland, do we really trust that

01:00:46.140 that is not a place where those deals are going to be made?

01:00:48.320 Do we really trust that that is not a place where they would not intervene?

01:00:52.040 You don't think Denmark would stop them?

01:00:54.440 I think that's been the president's point, and that is that Denmark can't stop them.

01:00:58.660 They would rely on the United States to do so.

01:01:00.800 And so his point is, if the United States is on the hook to provide, as we are now, we

01:01:04.800 have a defense agreement with them to protect Greenland if it comes under assault, if we're

01:01:09.360 already on the hook for having to do that, then we might as well have more control over

01:01:13.580 what happens there.

01:01:14.700 And so I know it's a delicate topic for Denmark, but it's, again, a national interest item for

01:01:20.200 the United States.

01:01:20.860 So there was a conference call between President Trump and the Danish prime minister.

01:01:27.020 Apparently it didn't go very well.

01:01:29.620 It reportedly involved some sort of a meltdown on the prime minister's part.

01:01:34.320 They don't want to give it up.

01:01:36.140 So what does that, what options does that leave us?

01:01:39.600 Because President Trump did not rule out economic or potentially military use.

01:01:45.300 Well, I think President Trump, what he has said publicly is he wants to buy it.

01:01:49.440 He wants to pay for it.

01:01:50.820 And how we worked on something like that, how something like that is approached, obviously

01:01:55.600 is probably done better in the appropriate forms.

01:01:58.720 A lot of the stuff is done publicly, and it's not helpful because it puts the other side in

01:02:02.180 a tough spot domestically.

01:02:03.660 So those conversations are going to happen.

01:02:05.440 But this is not a joke.

01:02:07.040 Like what he is saying is pretty accurate.

01:02:09.320 People have been talking about it for years.

01:02:10.420 Because we do have, this is not about acquiring land for the purpose of acquiring land.

01:02:14.380 This is in our national interest, and it needs to be solved.

01:02:17.260 President Trump's put out there what he intends to do, which is to purchase it.

01:02:21.120 I wasn't privy to that phone call, but I imagine the phone call went the way a lot of these

01:02:24.680 phone calls go, and that is he just speaks bluntly and frankly with people.

01:02:28.340 And ultimately, I think diplomacy in many cases works better when you're straightforward

01:02:33.460 as opposed to using platitudes and language that translates to nothing.

01:02:37.700 So when President Trump said he might use economic or military coercion, what does that

01:02:43.560 mean?

01:02:43.780 What is military coercion?

01:02:44.320 Well, I don't remember him saying military coercion.

01:02:46.600 He did.

01:02:46.860 He was asked, you know, what would you rule out?

01:02:49.340 Would you rule it out?

01:02:50.180 Right.

01:02:50.780 I don't think he's in the, he, listen, he also brings to this.

01:02:54.000 But he said, no, I won't rule it out.

01:02:55.680 Because he brings to this, this is a businessman who's involved in politics, not a politician

01:03:01.800 involved in politics.

01:03:02.960 So he approaches these issues from a transactional business point of view.

01:03:07.040 So he is not going to begin what he views as a negotiation or a conversation by taking

01:03:12.360 leverage off the table.

01:03:14.400 And that's a tactic that's used all the time in business.

01:03:17.460 It's being applied to foreign policy.

01:03:19.760 And I think to great effect in the first term.

01:03:21.680 You look at the Abraham Accords and the Democrats mocked the Abraham Accords when they were made.

01:03:26.520 And then by the end of the Biden administration, they became the linchpin of a lot of what we're

01:03:30.720 hoping to build on.

01:03:31.660 That never would have happened had there not been a transactional approach.

01:03:34.400 You look at what his envoy to the Middle East, Steve Woodcoff, has achieved.

01:03:37.560 The Biden administration asked Woodcoff.

01:03:40.560 They asked for him to be involved in these conversations.

01:03:43.080 He has brought a businessman's approach to a very delicate and intractable foreign policy

01:03:48.420 challenge and delivered a ceasefire that obviously is tenuous and has long-term challenges

01:03:53.180 to it.

01:03:53.900 But there are hostages being released every day.

01:03:56.040 That didn't happen for over a year and a half until he became involved.

01:03:58.920 And that's the president's envoy and very close friend who's brought the same kind of

01:04:02.340 business approach to some of these challenges.

01:04:05.260 So let's look forward four years.

01:04:06.860 Does the U.S. own Greenland?

01:04:10.060 We'll see.

01:04:10.800 I mean, obviously, that's the president's priority, and he has made that point.

01:04:13.560 I think that what I can tell you about four years without getting into specifics, because

01:04:16.700 I don't, you know, I'm not, we're not in a position yet to discuss exactly how we'll

01:04:21.180 proceed tactically.

01:04:22.020 What I think you can rest assured of is that four years from now, our interest in the Arctic

01:04:26.700 will be more secure.

01:04:28.160 Our interest in the Panama Canal will be more secure.

01:04:31.020 Our partnerships in the Western Hemisphere will be stronger, will be stronger.

01:04:34.820 We need to understand a lot of these countries in Central America, they're not destination

01:04:39.000 sites.

01:04:39.560 They are countries that migrants come through and that these human trafficking rings run

01:04:44.260 people through.

01:04:45.800 It creates tremendous instability for these countries at a tremendous cost as well.

01:04:49.520 They would welcome help in stopping that migration corridor from continuing because it's destabilizing

01:04:55.100 their countries.

01:04:56.100 So I think we're going to have a Western Hemisphere that's more secure, and our national interest

01:04:59.600 in all parts of the world, that's the goal, are going to be more secure from the Arctic

01:05:02.720 to Central America to even Africa.

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