The Megyn Kelly Show - Anti-Israel Snowflakes in Biden Administration, and GOP Megadonors Back Haley, with The Fifth Column Hosts ｜ Ep. 676

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh look, it's Christmas inside

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00:00:22.900 ready for the holiday spirit. I mean, it's time. It's past Thanksgiving. It's time. This is the

00:00:27.520 time of year where I incessantly play Christmas carols all over Sirius XM. You can find them on

00:00:32.060 many channels. And two out of my three children roll their eyes saying, enough, enough. And I say,

00:00:38.560 it's never enough. Never. We will have them on 24-7 all the way through the end of the 25th.

00:00:44.160 Maybe you're like me. In the news today, President Biden has some new spin about the economy and

00:00:49.600 Bidenomics. Why doesn't he stop with this? Stop. It's truly the definition of insanity. Stop it.

00:00:57.040 It's not working. They hate it. It's your worst issue. You're going to have to find something

00:01:01.440 else. He's got a year, but he needs to do something else. His latest claim is that this

00:01:07.040 year's Thanksgiving was one of the cheapest on record. Really? No, not really. And we'll get

00:01:13.420 into some fact checking on that. This is we learn more about how the Israel Hamas war has caused a war

00:01:19.600 inside the White House. Wait until you hear how they're trying to appease the little snowflakes in

00:01:24.760 there who don't like the president's messaging on Israel. Plus, we're a week away now from the next

00:01:29.980 GOP debate, co-moderated by yours truly. Where do things stand with Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis

00:01:38.800 competing to be the chief alternative to Donald Trump, competing to draw the inside straight and

00:01:46.080 take over as frontrunner past Donald Trump? Joining me here to discuss it all and much,

00:01:52.280 much more, our friends from the fifth column, Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt

00:01:57.340 Welsh. You can find all of their content on Substack at wethefifth.substack.com. 0.59

00:02:06.160 Guys, welcome back.

00:02:07.440 Thank you for having us.

00:02:08.300 Thanks for having us. Yeah. Merry Christmas.

00:02:09.920 Good to see you. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I'm in the spirit. It's exciting. Makes me feel

00:02:13.800 to see my house.

00:02:14.820 November.

00:02:15.220 November.

00:02:16.400 What do you mean? It's practically December.

00:02:18.640 Everything post-Thanksgiving is cool. Even I don't go pre-Thanksgiving usually,

00:02:24.800 though I did this year. Okay. Anyway, it's a long story. I think the most interesting thing

00:02:29.060 happening right now is Nikki Haley appears to be coalescing support as the non-Trump alternative.

00:02:40.020 And it really is one of those things where it's like, boy, you want to break late in these contests,

00:02:44.860 and that's what she's doing. There's just a report out today that the Koch brothers and

00:02:51.080 their influential network is backing Nikki Haley. It's the first time they've ever backed

00:02:56.060 a GOP primary contestant, and they've chosen her. They say the election's too important to sit this 0.80

00:03:04.000 one out. They've already been running ads that are anti-Trump in various swing states, just trying

00:03:09.720 to get the message out. It can't be him. I'll give you a sample of some of that. Here's just a bit.

00:03:14.520 It's not 21.

00:03:15.940 Ask yourself, is it worth the risk? America is struggling because of Joe Biden's policies.

00:03:22.980 But with Donald Trump, Republicans lost the House, lost the White House and the Senate.

00:03:28.940 And we've lost our chance to capitalize on Biden's devastating record. If Donald Trump is the GOP

00:03:35.080 nominee, we could lose everything. The House, the Senate, the White House. It's time to look to a

00:03:42.140 new leader. Unless we're willing to risk it all. But they didn't say who that new leader was.

00:03:49.040 And the decision is sort of like, well, we'll see. Hasn't worked out so well for people looking

00:03:54.200 for a non-Trump alternative because the field remains divided. This is how he got the nomination

00:03:58.200 in 1516. So now the Koch brothers, in addition to many others, there's Stan Druckenmiller,

00:04:05.620 a billionaire who was mentioned, I think, in a New York Times report yesterday. A couple of others who

00:04:09.680 are publicly saying it's Haley for them. They're getting behind her. She's the one. So do we think

00:04:16.220 this will matter in the big contest? What do you think, guys? I think it's a test case of how much

00:04:23.200 money matters in GOP primary politics. I think it matters in the sense that you can spend a lot of

00:04:29.820 money in Iowa in particular and move the needle most every year that someone has gone all in on

00:04:37.160 Iowa and punched above their weight. They usually do that at the expense of New Hampshire, and then 0.95

00:04:42.360 it becomes a bit of a problem. So Haley can use that. The Koch brother, because David Koch left us a few

00:04:49.640 years ago, but the Koch network, which is more important than any of that, can give her some money to

00:04:55.440 create that separation. But I think there's a thing that ad seemed to me directionally correct. It is in

00:05:02.000 many ways the best arguments to make to Republican Trump voters. Not necessarily that Trump is a crazy

00:05:09.180 erratic person, which is something that I might say as a non-Republican, but that he's going to lose or that

00:05:15.180 he's the only one who threatens to lose running against this very, very old man who's incredibly

00:05:19.640 vulnerable to the extent that RFK Jr. is pulling at 15 and 20 percent in the three-way matchup. My God.

00:05:26.060 So that is the correct thing. The question just is, can you, can they have Nikki Haley elbow out Ron 0.99

00:05:34.340 DeSantis ahead of time and convince, you know, the Chris Christie's the world that whatever he's doing is

00:05:39.860 not working? And I, you know, that that gap is just too large. It's hard to imagine it having a huge

00:05:46.560 impact. She just clearly has performed the best of all of the non-Trumps in this, in this race so 1.00

00:05:53.680 far. Vivek had his first little bump and then he's annoyed everybody ever since. And, and she's just

00:05:59.580 run really well. And I say that as someone who disagrees with her about a bunch of stuff, but she has run a

00:06:03.140 great campaign so far. So maybe she'll be, you know, in a head-to-head race between her and Trump 0.84

00:06:07.980 that will never happen. Uh, probably sadly, um, she would have a puncher's chance, um, in a divided 0.97

00:06:14.000 field. It's going to be really hard. I mean, she's the best talk about her guys. Uh, they would talk

00:06:20.340 about her surge and she is surging and she's almost giving Ron DeSantis a run for his money. Not all she

00:06:26.140 is in Iowa now. Yeah. And she looks favored to win in New Hampshire. And she's a South Carolina 0.99

00:06:31.980 hometowner. So, but when, and you know, possible win in New Hampshire, possible, we mean second,

00:06:39.960 we mean second, you know, Trump is 50 points ahead, 30 points ahead. Take your pick scores of

00:06:47.140 points ahead of everyone who's running second in any of these States. So yeah, I mean, this is the,

00:06:52.680 the question is the real question as I see it. And you tell me Moynihan is whether this can kill

00:06:57.420 DeSantis. Can this kill DeSantis? Because if they want Nikki, they got to get rid of him.

00:07:01.980 Yeah. I mean, DeSantis, who I think, um, I thought was a very strong candidate. I mean,

00:07:08.140 he's particularly strong in Florida. When you come to local governance, I think he's done a

00:07:12.380 good job despite disagreeing with him on some things. I mean, his response to, to crisis there

00:07:18.560 and his response to COVID is fantastic. But I mean, I think people have forgotten about COVID. If COVID

00:07:23.360 had a real surge again, um, it would be the best thing that ever happened to Ron DeSantis because he

00:07:28.400 could, he could actually run on that, which is something that, um, I appreciate Nikki Haley,

00:07:33.780 as you said, look, I mean, it's all in some ways, a waste of breath because she is the best person to

00:07:40.140 come in second. And the Koch brother or the Koch network, which is fairly interesting by the way,

00:07:45.080 that they're supporting her shows you how much they loathe Donald Trump because she's essentially

00:07:50.140 a neoconservative and they're a bunch of libertarians. And they're not necessarily fans of,

00:07:55.680 of Nikki Haley's, uh, type of policy, but they see her obviously as, as the best person to make

00:08:00.960 a run at Trump, which is probably true. And again, Matt, Matt is correct. I mean, on a head to head

00:08:05.980 matchup. Yeah. I think that'd be very, very interesting, but you know, 20, 30 points behind,

00:08:10.620 you know, and he's not going to show up at the debates. I mean, it's, you're, you're running for

00:08:15.500 second place. It doesn't make a difference at all. But if you look, I was actually just looking at

00:08:19.580 these numbers, just looking at these numbers the other day, uh, on these early state polls,

00:08:24.740 and we're still in the place where even though Trump is crushing all the rest,

00:08:28.520 if you add up the numbers of the rest, it's split 50, 50. Yeah. That's true. The Republican

00:08:34.120 party is split. And so it's still is true that if the party coalesces, that other 50% coalesces behind

00:08:41.860 one candidate, Trump would be vulnerable. Camille. I mean, it, it would not necessarily be a runaway.

00:08:47.640 Yeah. And it's, it's not impossible to imagine. Um, although folks would have to exit the race 0.87

00:08:52.800 pretty quickly for it to actually make a difference, I think. Um, and I don't know,

00:08:57.000 um, if there are already conversations happening along those lines, but I don't think Vivek or Ron

00:09:02.220 are likely to drop out of the race, um, on their own. Um, I think Vivek kind of knows what his

00:09:07.820 prospects are, uh, despite what he said publicly, my suspicion is that he would very happily accept,

00:09:13.740 uh, VP nod from Donald Trump and run on that ticket. 0.75

00:09:16.780 Or any cabinet nod.

00:09:18.340 Well, perhaps any, perhaps any cabinet nod. I do think that he and, um, uh, Nikki Haley

00:09:24.320 actually hate each other. Like it seems genuine. So it's very hard to imagine them getting together

00:09:29.660 on the same ticket. Uh, but, but it is very interesting. I think Moynihan highlights the

00:09:33.720 right thing with respect to the Kochs actually having pretty severe and profound disagreements

00:09:38.080 with Nikki on policy and still being willing to make that particular choice. Um, and to what

00:09:42.940 Matt was saying earlier, it's not just the test of what matters with respect to money.

00:09:46.540 I mean, the, the Koch network has tremendous resources with respect to just their campaign

00:09:51.480 operation and their ground game. They have a lot of great intelligence tools that they

00:09:56.140 can bring to bear. It'll be an interesting test to see if those things matter at all anymore.

00:10:00.060 Um, so Ken, Ken actually latching all of that on to Nikki's campaign, which has been pretty

00:10:06.160 good so far, but it's just a couple of weeks ago, I think that she wanted to ban all anonymous,

00:10:10.660 uh, social media posting. Yeah.

00:10:12.960 That was not a, not a great call on her part. Um, so it is all very interesting to watch play

00:10:18.800 out. It's not a little bit depressing. Um, but certainly makes things interesting.

00:10:22.940 So here's just a little bit of numbers for you from the CNN report on the Koch network

00:10:28.220 backing Nikki Haley. They say the effort will begin with a multimillion dollar ad campaign

00:10:33.480 in support of Haley launching this week in all early States and also several super Tuesday States,

00:10:41.060 which of course that happens in March, March 4th, uh, I think. And, um, that while they did not

00:10:47.420 disclose a budget on behalf of Haley, the network has spent hundreds of millions in previous

00:10:52.900 election cycles rivaling the financial bite might of a Republican national committee,

00:10:57.420 which is actually quite little right now. There was a report on today about how little the RNC has

00:11:01.900 in its coffers. I think it was like 10 million. And they, at this time in other cycles, they had

00:11:06.880 60 million. It was just dreadful. So they're not tough to beat, but the Koch network has more money

00:11:13.440 than God. I went down there. I interviewed Charles Koch, who I really respect. I have to say he's

00:11:20.020 brilliant. And I think he's a very patriotic American, um, and got a chance to sort of, um,

00:11:26.080 see how things operate down there. And it's just like a well-oiled machine. I mean, my God,

00:11:30.760 they're responsible for so many American jobs. They have very clear, as you point out, libertarian ideals

00:11:35.580 and, um, to get this guy behind you, like it's a D it's an unlimited deep pocket, which could really

00:11:45.400 help her with ads, with organization, with even get out the vote efforts in these early States.

00:11:51.360 But none of these deep pocketed billionaires was really behind Trump in 2015 and 16. And he got it

00:11:58.580 anyway, thanks to his big middle finger. Yeah. It didn't matter at all. What one thing that's, uh,

00:12:03.780 I think that should Jeb spend Jeb. I didn't hear the explanation points.

00:12:08.540 I think my last, he spent $40 billion in ways that we're not fully wrapping our brains around

00:12:19.740 with this news. The next 10 days, 130 million. Steve Krakauer looked it up. 130 million was high.

00:12:27.440 Wow. The next 10 days, I think are the, uh, are the maker break moment for Ron DeSantis. And you

00:12:32.740 always hesitate to say things like this before the first caucus and whatnot, but this news,

00:12:36.640 the coconut work is coming in for Haley, which is big news. And what is, uh, DeSantis doing this

00:12:42.540 week? He is doing the Moynihan, uh, which is a dance, uh, and a sexual position. No, he's arguing

00:12:48.680 about his state policies on Sean Hannity. The insanity in the Hannity is, uh, it's, uh, DeSantis

00:12:54.840 versus Gavin Newsom. It's red state versus blue state, California versus Florida, and a very huge

00:13:01.320 COVID response, you know, education policy, uh, compare and contrast. These are where Ron DeSantis

00:13:08.020 is strong. This is why he was polling within 10 percentage points of Donald Trump in January.

00:13:12.420 It's hard to remember now because he's just been taking a nosedive ever since. So there's this,

00:13:18.020 and then there's the debate with you, Megan, and I'm looking forward to your selection of questions,

00:13:22.240 uh, and your approach should be great. Um, as, uh, your, uh, performances have always been on

00:13:27.200 debates and I'm not just saying that to butter you up, which is true. We're on the show. You

00:13:30.680 don't have to say that. Um, no, but he's got to make a difference. He's got to comment

00:13:35.300 at Nikki Haley, uh, and she, and, and, and like remind people of why he was interesting to begin

00:13:43.860 with because he's been doing a whole lot of not reminding them of that, or at least, um, the stuff

00:13:49.680 that he thought that people would be interested in are not what is going to drive the selection

00:13:53.700 in this primary campaign. I will say that I think the message of the Coke ad, that sort of vague

00:13:59.720 message is the right one primarily because it's not attacking the kind of change in the Republican

00:14:05.980 party's politics and their ideology, which is something that I think the Coke network attacks

00:14:11.160 pretty vigorously behind the scenes. I think it's a very good argument. I mean, as simple as you can

00:14:16.400 make it is that Donald Trump is a loser. And I mean that in a very, um, sort of definitional way,

00:14:22.340 he loses elections and he's been losing them. And, you know, look, I, when I was out talking to

00:14:27.980 people about this in 2021 and it was a really difficult conversation to have with people

00:14:34.540 because I'd say, look, do you want to back this guy? He lost the white house. I mean,

00:14:39.020 he's George HW Bush here. This is crazy. He lost the white house. And they'd be like, well,

00:14:43.140 he didn't actually lose. And so that was kind of a difficult thing was that when the majority

00:14:47.400 Republicans believe that. Correct. And that's why it's hard in that for, for the kind of base,

00:14:53.100 uh, in a primary, but just broadly, when you talk to people who are vaguely conservative,

00:14:58.800 their issue with Donald Trump has gone way beyond, well, I don't like his tweets. I don't like his

00:15:04.140 disposition because everyone's kind of adjusted to that. They just don't like the fact that he loses

00:15:08.320 in the candidates in the midterms that were Trump candidates. Good Lord, did they lose? They didn't

00:15:13.960 lose by a bit either. Herschel Walker. I mean, can't believe you remember these people. Mehmet Oz,

00:15:19.260 what a disaster the Republicans made for themselves. Well, what do you make of these

00:15:24.540 polls though? Because if you, if you look at, you know, Trump versus Biden, we've been covering this

00:15:30.280 on this show for a month now, there's been a rash of polling showing Trump beating Biden now,

00:15:35.160 not just at the national level, which is a new thing. He did it here or there, uh, six months ago,

00:15:40.120 but it wasn't a steady thing at all. Biden was beating him by a couple of points, not by a lot

00:15:44.520 more times than not. Now it's the reverse and not just in the national polls, which are interesting

00:15:50.920 to look at, but not, they don't really tell you much because we don't have a national election.

00:15:53.980 We don't use the popular vote. What matters is the swing States. Those are, those are the ones that

00:15:58.460 are going to decide the election. And now Trump's beating Biden in virtually all of them. And not just

00:16:03.040 by a point for the most part by several points, but Camille, I look at these and I remember

00:16:09.600 back in 16, those same polls telling me Hillary was going to crush Trump in every single one of 0.95

00:16:16.920 these. Right. So it's, you know, the polls have been so hard to read for the past eight years, but

00:16:23.380 I don't know. Is there reason to doubt these polls now, given how controversial Trump is

00:16:30.140 that he hasn't yet gone through the four criminal trials, but we'll have, or at least be in the midst

00:16:35.000 of some of them at the time we actually vote. And are these actual Trump fans who are filling up

00:16:40.560 these numbers showing him beat beating Joe Biden, or are they just kind of pissed off right now at

00:16:44.660 Biden disgusted over his age and incoherence and trying to send him the middle finger?

00:16:51.740 I think it's impossible, impossible to put too much faith in the polls right now. There's just so much

00:16:56.240 time and so much that could happen. I think the foreign policy questions that you alluded to

00:17:00.920 earlier when you were opening the show up are hugely important and consequential and things

00:17:06.920 could move in any direction there. And certainly it seems like that's a liability for Biden

00:17:11.000 in the general, the sort of thing that could dampen enthusiasm for him amongst Democrats and

00:17:17.400 independents. But similarly, I suppose that could be an issue for Nikki Haley as well. And Donald Trump

00:17:24.160 will likely be calibrating in some sort of way that perhaps makes him a little more appealing. And

00:17:29.140 as someone mentioned, there may be a third party spoiler this race as well, which could hugely

00:17:35.400 complicate things. So it is very, very difficult to say what things will look like several months

00:17:40.440 from now, even in January of next year, once we finally start to look at these primaries taking

00:17:46.540 place, it'll be very hard to predict exactly how this is going to play out.

00:17:51.140 The New York Times is giving Nikki Haley some of its expected treatment. There's a piece out

00:17:59.000 today, right? Is today the 27th? No, it's 28th. So it came out yesterday, Paul Krugman.

00:18:05.140 Nikki Haley is coming for your retirement. And most sane people understand that Social Security and

00:18:12.460 Medicare are in some financial trouble, one could say. And something's going to have to be done about

00:18:18.840 them. And the Democrats just want to keep raising taxes on everybody. And the Republicans, the serious

00:18:23.640 ones are actually looking at how to actually handle this. Do we raise the retirement age?

00:18:28.740 You know, what do we do? Do we do means testing for those who are going to receive it? You know,

00:18:33.320 there was a line at the last debate, I think it was Chris Christie saying, I certainly hope Warren

00:18:37.060 Buffett is not collecting his Social Security check. In any event, so this piece goes after her saying,

00:18:44.120 I'll give you the setup. He points out she's receiving a late surge in big money support

00:18:48.920 and says, but look, you know, Trump's the odds on favorite, but there's a chance still that he could

00:18:57.100 manage to crash and burn. So it seems worth looking at what Haley stands for. From a political point of 0.96

00:19:02.680 view, one answer might be nothing. And then he hits her for flip-flopping, which he says doesn't

00:19:12.320 really convey the sheer cynicism with which she has shifted her rhetoric. I mean, that's not

00:19:17.400 entirely wrong, but it's like, okay, find me a politician who hasn't done it, but okay, that's

00:19:22.140 fine. Then they say the one thing that she's been, he says that she's been pretty consistent on

00:19:29.860 is economics and fiscal policy. And on this issue, she's an extremist. She's calling for an increase 1.00

00:19:39.460 in age at which Americans become eligible for Social Security, a bad idea that seems to be

00:19:44.420 experiencing a revival, and then goes on to say, Social Security is fine. It's fine. The actual numbers

00:19:52.720 don't justify the apocalyptic rhetoric that we're hearing. Like, we're going to be good. And by the

00:19:58.840 way, if we're not good, we're just going to tax people. That's the way forward. And continues to rip

00:20:05.960 on her policies about suggesting that you can't tie life expectancy into this. This is something

00:20:17.600 Ron DeSantis hit her on too, because the people, while richer Americans are living longer,

00:20:24.420 poorer Americans aren't. So he's basically saying she hates the poor. If you want to tie Social

00:20:28.080 Security benefits to life expectancy and raise the retirement age from 65 to 70, like she's suggested,

00:20:34.140 you're going to hurt the poor because the poor don't live longer, like all the rich people.

00:20:39.940 Anyway, this is what's going to happen now that she's emerged as the latest darling, 0.99

00:20:45.900 right, of the GOP. You're going to get more and more hit pieces on her. And you know what?

00:20:50.280 That stuff works. It tends to drive your poll numbers down. So what do you make of the early

00:20:54.140 shots? I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty limp stuff, honestly, like Democrats and the media,

00:21:00.420 and I'm sorry to be redundant. Back in January, February, there was a rash of DeSantis is actually

00:21:07.480 worse than Trump, right? Because this is the card that they have, right? It's supposed to be about

00:21:11.380 the stakes and not the odds. Stakes of this election are that we'll never have democracy again. And it's

00:21:16.180 over, right? It's over, et cetera. And so Trump is this clarifying thing for this crowd of scaring

00:21:22.620 them with Trump is the way to get democratic turnout. So they had worked themselves up into a Ron DeSantis

00:21:28.560 is actually worse because he's smart, because he's Harvard, Yale, because he knows what he's doing.

00:21:33.100 And he's not just a bumbling idiot. And he can actually like have a point, really good people,

00:21:37.820 and it's really going to be evil and bad. It's not really working that well so far for Paul Krugman.

00:21:43.900 I get that he's threatening me with a good time on social security stuff. I presume that his lack of

00:21:50.580 interest in actuarial tables must apply to himself since beginning, what, in 10 years,

00:21:56.640 less than 10 years now, we're scheduled to have an across the board haircut of all social security

00:22:01.540 recipients if we don't change things. To put it gently.

00:22:05.440 It's like 20%, I think. And so maybe he thinks he's going to be out in a little pasture in the sky

00:22:12.820 or something, but then it's not going to concern him in any way. This is old timey, we're going to

00:22:18.480 scare people into line. You saw a similar thing happen before the midterm elections. There were two

00:22:25.080 lines of attack. One is that these are Trump people and MAGA is terrible. And that kind of

00:22:30.500 worked. And they had, as Moynihan was alluding to before, a lot of characters that they could run

00:22:35.280 against showing that. There was that. And then there was this weird thing of like, oh, watch out

00:22:40.340 for ultra MAGA. Ultra MAGA is actually out here trying to sunset social security in five years.

00:22:48.740 Go back and look at it. No, it sounds crazy. But that was where the rhetoric was at just 12 months

00:22:53.540 ago. And it was nonsense. It was all based on Rick Scott having one report, one sentence in one

00:22:58.680 report of a white paper that nobody otherwise read like 11 years ago said X. And so somehow we're

00:23:05.000 going to sunset social security. The fact is, and you are right, Megan, is that grownups,

00:23:10.920 including the Simpsons Bowles commission, that was a bipartisan organization, the Simpsons and Bowles,

00:23:16.700 not in the same party, the whole thing, you know, approved by 11 of the 18 people on that commission

00:23:21.880 and mentioned in 17 consecutive State of the Union addresses that you can't just keep kicking the

00:23:27.640 can down the road, as Barack Obama himself said, as he went into office. That was a normal Democratic

00:23:32.240 position. And I dare say it was a normal Paul Krugman position back when he occasionally pretended to be

00:23:37.100 a sane economist. If this is the worst that can come up with Nikki Haley, I don't think it's going

00:23:41.920 to stick. And I think they're going to move on to that. She is a knuckle dragging warmonger, 1.00

00:23:46.740 which, you know, there'll be more evidence for. I mean, the thing about Krugman is he is in some

00:23:53.080 sense when it comes to social security endorsing Donald Trump. Yes. And Donald Trump has said the

00:23:57.880 same thing. Donald Trump has run against Ron DeSantis on this issue. And, you know, it's one

00:24:03.420 of the reasons that that Trump makes my skin crawl a little bit because he knows that I mean, remember,

00:24:09.680 and I bring this up quite a bit, that when his version of health care came back to the White House

00:24:15.620 from Republicans when they were trying to overturn Obamacare, his response was, it's too mean.

00:24:21.500 He said it's too mean. He is a man who likes government. He likes government spending. And

00:24:27.420 he has defended social security and said, Ron DeSantis, all you old people should come out and

00:24:32.260 vote for me because Ron DeSantis is going to take away your social security. Now, Paul Krugman is not

00:24:37.020 somebody that one can really trust him on a lot of things. I mean, recall that quote of his when he said

00:24:41.420 the Internet is not going to be a big thing. Do you remember that? He was like the fax machine.

00:24:45.280 It'll go away. But he won. He won a Nobel Prize. Yeah, I think all of these attacks don't make any

00:24:52.540 sense and don't resonate with people when you I mean, look, Republicans have been getting voters

00:24:58.200 in that age cohort for many years saying we are not going to take away your money. We are. But it's

00:25:04.740 going to bankrupt itself. This is a very, very easy thing for people to understand. And I don't think,

00:25:09.700 you know, running in that direction against Nikki Haley is going to make much of a difference. And also

00:25:14.520 I know. And especially when you hear the candidates, they say over and over, even those who are talking

00:25:18.860 about raising the retirement age, not for the current retirees, not even for people who are

00:25:22.940 now in their 40s. They're talking about for people who are in their 20s or 30s. That's at least what

00:25:27.280 they're saying on paper and openly that that those are the only people they would do this to. So you'd

00:25:31.920 have a long runway to understand you have to work five more years before you can get your social

00:25:35.920 security. But they treat it like it's a wipeout, like they were going to take out the eraser

00:25:39.920 and the accounts are gone. I've got to pivot to this because you mentioned the old quote

00:25:44.260 about from from Krugman. And it's that I've got to get this in. I wasn't sure where we'd get to it.

00:25:52.140 But Secretary of Education, Miguel Cardona, you guys, I know you've seen it. I don't know if the

00:25:59.420 audience. Yeah. But he was giving testimony and was trying to discuss his department's priorities

00:26:06.840 and workforce development efforts and during this governor's association's meeting. And he was

00:26:14.420 talking about, you know, what the government has done and so on and tried to quote Ronald Reagan.

00:26:19.880 But as all of you know, and as the audience is about to hear, didn't quite understand that there

00:26:24.620 was more to the quote. Listen. You know, we're going to set up follow up calls with every governor

00:26:30.860 we met with to make sure we're available. As I think it was President Reagan said, we're from

00:26:36.460 the government. We're here to help. No, he doesn't even know. He did say that. He did. But there was

00:26:43.900 another clause in that sentence. Which we have. Which we have. Here it is. Here's the real Ronald Reagan

00:26:50.020 soundbite. I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English

00:26:57.860 language are. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Yeah. Unbelievable. Oh my God. That is

00:27:06.960 great. I do love it. It's like, I'm not, I'm pretty sure it was Ronald Reagan, a big fan of big

00:27:12.540 government. It's like, he also looks like he should be a high school principal. Am I wrong in thinking

00:27:17.680 that? Yeah. But somebody was saying online, I think it was Dave Marcus, Camille. He was saying,

00:27:24.800 imagine having so little connection to half the country, conservative America, that you are not

00:27:31.980 familiar with that quote, which is absolutely famous. I mean, across parties it's famous,

00:27:38.140 but if you're a Republican, if you're ever voted Republican or a libertarian, you love this quote

00:27:43.040 for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that has exactly the opposite of what you were hoping that the

00:27:49.460 intended impact would be. But I do feel obliged and I hate that I'm forced to do it to qualify

00:27:56.420 something. The Krugman, the Krugman quote, he was responding to a prompt in which he was invited

00:28:02.480 to offer an opinion that was likely to be wrong. It was, it was something along those lines.

00:28:10.760 Yeah. It was like a weird BS is that Camille? I'm just saying, I don't want to defend the guy,

00:28:16.600 but he knew that it was likely to be wrong. Well, now that you've beaten down your colleagues,

00:28:23.280 I will build them back up by telling you that Miguel Cardona was a principal. He was a principal.

00:28:28.760 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, he should have stayed there. Because I know that if you wanted, I could be like,

00:28:35.300 you know, here's a quote from Hitler. And it's like, yeah, but you left, it sounds philo-semitic,

00:28:39.620 but the next clause is about the bad things that are about to happen. You can do that with anyone.

00:28:44.980 I don't know what, he's a principal of the worst school in New York, right? Tell me the ranking

00:28:48.760 of that school. You have it in front of you, Megan, I'm sure you do. It can't be worse than

00:28:53.640 all Hillcrest, which is in the news. Hundreds of students mobbing the poor Jewish teacher who

00:29:00.620 showed up at a rally saying, what did she say? Was it horrible? Was it kill all the Palestinians? Was it,

00:29:05.620 I hate Palestinian children? It was, I stand with Israel. Kill! Kill! Get her! Get her! 1.00

00:29:12.760 Nice. That school is 540 out of New York's 571. And this is the shit they're worrying about.

00:29:17.900 Is that right? Oh my God. I'm so proud of them for moving up 20 spaces.

00:29:22.020 The chancellor of the New York City school system yesterday, David Banks, had just an appalling

00:29:29.500 press conference and Twitter thread about this, saying, among other things, that what's really

00:29:37.740 needed right now is de-escalation. And we have-

00:29:42.020 A ceasefire.

00:29:43.300 We have shared our words about tolerance. It's like, dude. And he also, he also described

00:29:49.020 the 400 students that were rioting as just a fraction of the population.

00:29:54.780 Which, as I pointed out before, the fraction was nine times.

00:29:57.980 Fraction.

00:29:58.620 You're 500 students.

00:29:59.520 What a fraction.

00:30:00.800 It is a fraction.

00:30:03.000 It shows like, and Megan, I know that you know the New York City school system more than

00:30:09.520 you would like to, as I do as well. And it just shows what a rot this was. You know, like

00:30:15.140 October 7th was a margin call on a lot of different things. It sort of showed things about

00:30:19.520 our society and our schools and everything else and our institutions that maybe we didn't

00:30:24.760 really want to know. And one of them is that they've lost control of the schools. Like they're

00:30:28.660 using, you know, various sort of de-escalation techniques rather than, oh, if you beat up the

00:30:35.960 cop, you're expelled. It's not hard just to expel the student or just, you know, you have

00:30:42.780 to go away for a while, student.

00:30:45.760 Maybe to jail? That's a good place to put people when they beat up cops. 1.00

00:30:49.760 Try not to throw everybody in jail. But no, there has to be repercussions from it. And this

00:30:53.800 is true, not just of students, but it's true of protesters who are absolutely screwing up all

00:30:59.800 of New York City as we speak. They're just like, oh, there's a Macy's parade? Let's cement or glue

00:31:05.020 ourselves to the cement in the parade. I was driving home from a very nice holiday weekend

00:31:11.680 and traffic was great and it was awesome. And I was turning to go on the Manhattan Bridge

00:31:16.660 and suddenly I was stuck in 45 minutes of traffic. And there's these five little snot-nosed kids

00:31:24.180 wearing yellow vests and kind of like dancing around. They looked like they could be knocked

00:31:28.620 over with a feather and they had yellow taped themselves in front of the entrance that I was

00:31:32.860 supposed to go in. And there was a van full of cops and a phalanx of cops. We're just like,

00:31:38.700 all right, you know, five losers can shut down the Manhattan Bridge on the busiest travel day of 0.93

00:31:44.080 the year.

00:31:44.500 Yeah. Can I say something that's really awful? I'm going to say something that's awful.

00:31:48.200 I'm just going to knock away. I'm going to admit something that was on our text chain.

00:31:52.600 The three of us have a text chain.

00:31:54.300 It's private for a reason.

00:31:55.600 It's private for a reason because it's really appalling.

00:31:57.560 And the one when they glued themselves to the ground at the Thanksgiving Day parade,

00:32:04.860 the Mason Day parade, I said to Matt and Camille, if they're gluing their hands to the ground,

00:32:11.560 why don't we just go and pepper spray them? Because they can't cover their eyes and just 1.00

00:32:15.400 keep pepper spraying them until they say, OK, get the get the like the solution to get the

00:32:20.980 rubber of cement off of me and just keep pepper spraying them. 1.00

00:32:24.300 I mean, guess what? They're not going to do it again because I'm going to be there every time

00:32:28.340 you tape yourself to something.

00:32:30.780 I'm going to spray you in the eyes with bear spray.

00:32:33.020 Do you know how many people they arrested for shutting down the Manhattan Bridge for three

00:32:38.260 hours? Zero? Three.

00:32:40.260 Oh, wow. They arrested three people.

00:32:41.840 Our pal Nancy Rollin, who lives a block away, went down there and she asked a cop,

00:32:46.940 why aren't you arresting people?

00:32:48.580 They are literally blocking the bridge.

00:32:50.880 And not our call.

00:32:52.460 Not our call.

00:32:52.980 So who's Christy did this and it cost him his presidential hopes.

00:32:56.580 How are these people getting away with a slap on the taped wrist?

00:32:59.680 If I'm not mistaken, Eric Adams won the election to be the mayor of New York City as a backlash

00:33:06.400 candidate for perceived disorder, particularly as it pertains to law.

00:33:11.540 The dude's a cop, right?

00:33:13.500 They elected a cop to maybe, I don't know, enforce the law or increase the enforcement of

00:33:19.460 the law at a time when there's been absolutely noticeable slippage all around you.

00:33:24.060 And now you're letting these snot nosed kids who don't know anything when you ask them a 0.99

00:33:29.560 single question about, like, stop the occupation in Gaza.

00:33:32.700 If you ask them about what was happening on October 6th, just blank faces.

00:33:36.220 They don't get it.

00:33:37.500 And they're going to shut down.

00:33:38.760 They're going to they're having a protest in front of the Christmas tree lighting in

00:33:43.020 Rockefeller Center tomorrow.

00:33:44.960 They're calling it the tree lighting flood.

00:33:48.520 Yes.

00:33:48.740 Which is a reference to Al-Aqsa flood, which was the name of the Hamas operation, which

00:33:54.020 they've been doing before.

00:33:55.820 They've been calling their, you know, the White House flood of this flood.

00:33:57.960 But it has certainly been pointed out to them that the word flood, they know what they're

00:34:02.060 doing.

00:34:02.340 They know what they're doing.

00:34:03.400 Yeah.

00:34:03.600 We're going to do a flood at the Christmas tree lighting.

00:34:06.000 It's an advertisement for, hey, look, if you're a parent and you live in New York, God,

00:34:10.200 you're stupid. 0.99

00:34:11.400 You know, you would normally want to maybe take your kid to the Macy's parade, take your

00:34:15.520 kid to the tree lighting.

00:34:16.380 Well, maybe if they're going to do an Alaska flood at the tree lighting, I'm not going to

00:34:20.440 be so enthusiastic.

00:34:21.180 Hey, Matt, did you hear my plan about pepper spraying people?

00:34:24.660 I think that's a pretty good one.

00:34:26.380 I think it's a pretty good plan.

00:34:27.160 By the way, I do want to say situations that can't that can't use, they cannot handle any

00:34:32.800 more problems.

00:34:33.920 The Christmas tree lighting at Rockefeller Center is one of them.

00:34:36.660 My God, if you know anything about this, you know, to stay the hell home that night.

00:34:40.880 Do not go into New York.

00:34:41.920 Do not get anywhere near Rockefeller Center.

00:34:44.200 It's not worth it.

00:34:45.560 You can see the tree at any point thereafter.

00:34:47.380 Just seeing the little bulbs go on is not such a big thrill.

00:34:51.120 It's not worth it.

00:34:52.840 Yes.

00:34:53.280 Yes.

00:34:53.720 I do want to clarify something that if people were gluing themselves to the street to lower

00:34:59.820 taxes, I would still pepper spray them. 0.80

00:35:01.840 Yeah.

00:35:02.140 And I want lower taxes.

00:35:03.280 This is true.

00:35:03.920 I don't like people disrupting my life.

00:35:06.720 And there's enough of them in New York right now.

00:35:08.280 I don't need more.

00:35:09.020 I don't need to sit in traffic any longer.

00:35:10.740 I'm bipartisan in my pepper spraying.

00:35:12.660 I also have to say, like, I, if you're really going to, if you really want me to take you

00:35:16.340 seriously, glue something more important to the street.

00:35:19.180 Oh, you know, something you really care about.

00:35:24.260 Yeah.

00:35:24.780 I'm just saying, go down south in Rio or I'd even take a face.

00:35:29.000 Put your face there.

00:35:30.540 Face hard.

00:35:31.200 Oh, my God.

00:35:32.380 Raise the stakes.

00:35:34.800 Then your pepper spray plan would really work, Moynihan, if their faces were done.

00:35:38.720 Oh, yeah.

00:35:39.200 That would, that'd probably be, it's probably pretty painful.

00:35:42.620 I don't know.

00:35:43.540 I think I learned my way out of the text chain.

00:35:47.700 I'll screenshot and send you the best.

00:35:49.920 So speaking of weird partners for the fifth column, you're not going to believe what happened

00:35:55.760 today on our own text chain on the MK show.

00:35:59.120 So we, of course, knew that you were coming on.

00:36:01.320 Let me see if I can find this.

00:36:02.600 I don't know.

00:36:03.280 Steve Krakauer, our executive producer, sends a note to all of us.

00:36:07.340 We always exchange, like, this is in the news.

00:36:09.300 Do we like it?

00:36:09.840 This is whatever.

00:36:11.080 And this is the text he sent all of us.

00:36:16.880 It's so funny now.

00:36:18.940 Chris Cuomo has a big announcement today.

00:36:21.460 Oh, God.

00:36:22.140 He's joining the fifth column on Substack.

00:36:28.720 It's not true.

00:36:31.280 This is fake news, Krakauer.

00:36:32.720 Is he, is he, is he coming on?

00:36:35.540 Is that true?

00:36:36.520 No.

00:36:37.100 Look at my hands.

00:36:38.160 He's coming off.

00:36:39.220 He is.

00:36:40.060 Who invited him?

00:36:41.660 Did you invite him?

00:36:43.040 Can he wear the baseball uniform?

00:36:44.300 Go ahead.

00:36:45.560 Shirtless only.

00:36:47.360 He's joining.

00:36:48.280 He can come on.

00:36:49.800 He's joining Substack.

00:36:51.680 Yes.

00:36:52.500 Steve was trying to say, just like our pals.

00:36:55.420 Yes.

00:36:56.080 But we were all so confused.

00:36:57.220 And the reactions from everybody are hilarious.

00:36:59.580 My mind was, OMG, what are they thinking?

00:37:03.720 Oh, really?

00:37:04.960 Maybe you guys.

00:37:05.880 You would be a person.

00:37:08.280 I'm going to give you his announcement about it.

00:37:10.520 And you tell me how you feel about him possibly even joining you guys on Substack.

00:37:15.120 Here it is.

00:37:15.920 Yeah.

00:37:16.100 Okay.

00:37:16.560 And then realize that why aren't I giving the people that I care about in the project

00:37:22.160 the same option.

00:37:24.440 In the projects?

00:37:25.460 So that's where Substack comes in.

00:37:27.300 There are big realities that we all deal with.

00:37:32.700 And I am not afraid of those realities.

00:37:37.280 Struggle is real.

00:37:39.700 It is the human condition.

00:37:41.640 And I am old enough, damaged enough, and okay enough to say I really am not great at life.

00:37:52.940 I struggle a lot with things.

00:37:55.420 I get things wrong repeatedly.

00:37:57.960 And that takes us to the biggest aperture of life is your own mind.

00:38:06.240 And I remember being fascinated early on in my love of hip hop, which then was just called

00:38:11.620 that.

00:38:12.400 Hold on.

00:38:12.920 What?

00:38:13.940 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:38:15.260 How many times, and I'm going to ask listeners this, and you don't have to acknowledge it

00:38:19.900 to anybody who's in the car with you or anything, but how many times have you smoked weed with

00:38:23.900 that guy in college who was like, you know, my brain and the aperture, and I'm so bad at

00:38:29.840 everything, man.

00:38:30.800 To go, like, why are you talking about, is it about Substack?

00:38:35.740 But it's the Stuart Smalley, like, daily affirmation thing that is so great.

00:38:40.160 Like, I'm good enough.

00:38:42.180 Like, what are you doing, Greg?

00:38:44.600 Yeah.

00:38:44.900 I make mistakes.

00:38:46.200 Any time somebody says that, it's like, oh my God, you killed the man, didn't you?

00:38:49.280 I'm sick.

00:38:49.760 He makes us go to the teeth whitening specialist every day.

00:38:53.840 More often than can we go to the barber.

00:38:55.440 Do you know what's really weird?

00:38:56.760 There's one of two things that happen when we come on the Megyn Kelly show.

00:39:00.480 One is, I have to talk about The View and Joy Behar, who, by the way, had a conversation

00:39:07.500 with people the other day, people you thought were Jewish who aren't, Joy Behar, and Weird

00:39:13.060 L. Yankovic, another one.

00:39:15.400 This is a conversation with a Jewish friend, by the way.

00:39:18.340 But it's either that or Chris Cuomo.

00:39:20.480 And I think it was like, you heard him playing, somebody was playing Chris Cuomo in their

00:39:26.620 car really loud, or he was?

00:39:28.120 Oh, yeah.

00:39:28.520 Yes.

00:39:28.960 I remember that.

00:39:29.860 No, he said that.

00:39:31.520 He said that he pulled off to a red light.

00:39:34.520 And the guy next to him, I think in a convertible, was playing the Chris Cuomo podcast, like,

00:39:41.080 at max level.

00:39:42.500 Like, yo, hey, big band.

00:39:44.100 Nobody's done that ever.

00:39:45.680 Yeah.

00:39:46.120 Never.

00:39:46.720 Never.

00:39:47.220 Never ever happened.

00:39:48.160 I'm not sure he knows what hip-hop music is, to be totally honest.

00:39:52.000 I've never heard him talk about this at any other point.

00:39:54.120 This is my love of hip-hop.

00:39:55.260 Really?

00:39:55.980 Really, Chris?

00:39:56.860 What's your favorite album?

00:39:57.740 Can we send him back into his basement in East Hampton?

00:40:00.200 Give it to him.

00:40:00.820 Can we shoot from the basement?

00:40:03.680 Therapized.

00:40:04.420 That is the...

00:40:05.420 He's overly therapized.

00:40:06.860 Like, get out or get a better therapist.

00:40:08.560 Get one that talks to you the way mine does, which is very frank man.

00:40:12.160 Very, very frank, which is good.

00:40:14.100 It's what I needed.

00:40:15.720 I've said before, one of the classic lines.

00:40:16.400 Sounds like he's monetizing, so...

00:40:18.520 He says...

00:40:19.400 He said to me one time, and it was perfectly suited,

00:40:23.460 you know, Megan, you don't always have to take the path of most resistance.

00:40:27.940 Oh, wow.

00:40:28.880 Wow.

00:40:29.740 Now you tell me.

00:40:31.260 And he's British, too?

00:40:33.320 He is South African, originally.

00:40:35.840 He's South African.

00:40:36.780 Okay.

00:40:37.240 Yeah.

00:40:37.520 Okay.

00:40:38.120 So he's got, like, just the lovely little, like, a little hint of an accent left.

00:40:42.160 Yeah.

00:40:42.520 Just a little racism.

00:40:43.360 Just a little bit, like, you're, like, British, just have to make him sort of sound smarter 1.00

00:40:46.980 than everybody else.

00:40:48.140 All right.

00:40:48.400 Stand by.

00:40:49.540 That's how these guys sound, too.

00:40:51.620 At least two out of three.

00:40:52.440 I'll let you figure out which two.

00:40:55.220 We'll be back right after this quick break.

00:41:03.020 Okay, guys.

00:41:03.660 So, um, this is a short block, so we want to get to a good story that won't take 30 minutes,

00:41:09.500 and I think we found it in the Deadspin attack attempt to ruin the life of a young boy who

00:41:17.720 wore to a football game starring the Kansas City Chiefs, um, half of his face black, half 0.63

00:41:25.780 of his face red, and with a Native American, like, headdress on, and the Deadspin writer,

00:41:33.520 Karen, C-A-R-R-O-N-J Phillips, described as a black male senior writer for Deadspin,

00:41:40.640 lost his ever-loving mind on this kid and on the NFL.

00:41:46.220 Just a couple of samples, because all Karen saw in the original picture was the black half 0.98

00:41:54.080 of the kid's painted face, um, and went off.

00:41:58.580 It takes a lot to disrespect two groups of people at once, but on Sunday afternoon in

00:42:03.220 Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan, neglecting to point out at this point so far that it's

00:42:07.880 a young child, found a way to hate black people and the Native Americans at the same time.

00:42:13.680 The images of a Chiefs fan in blackface wearing a Native headdress during a road game leads

00:42:19.240 to so many unanswered questions.

00:42:21.540 Why did the camera person give this fan the attention?

00:42:23.320 Where are we mentioning that it's a child?

00:42:25.240 Nowhere yet.

00:42:26.640 Why did the producer allow that camera angle to be aired at all?

00:42:30.560 And then we get to it.

00:42:31.880 Is that fan a kid slash teenager or a young adult?

00:42:36.280 Despite their age, who taught that person what they were wearing was appropriate?

00:42:39.440 The answers to all these questions lead back to the NFL.

00:42:42.040 While it isn't the league's responsibility to stop racism and hate from being taught in the

00:42:45.360 home, they're a league that has relentlessly participated in prejudice.

00:42:48.600 If the NFL had outlawed the chop at Chiefs games and had been more aggressive in changing

00:42:53.700 the team's name, then we would not be here.

00:42:56.100 There is no place for a franchise to be called the Chiefs in a league that's already eradicated

00:43:00.060 Redskins.

00:43:00.900 This is what happens when you ban books, stand against critical race theory, and try to erase

00:43:05.600 centuries of hate.

00:43:06.440 You give future generations the ammo they need to evolve and recreate racism better than before.

00:43:14.580 And by the way, I don't know how this fits in, but he adds, it's also cruel to expect the

00:43:20.200 oppressed to assist their oppressors in the termination of their own oppression.

00:43:25.580 So when it came out, tired, I know when it came out that it was a kid wearing, I don't know,

00:43:34.920 the Chiefs colors are red and yellow.

00:43:36.520 I think I'm not sure how the black plays in, but half black, half red face, like we see at a lot

00:43:40.760 of these sporting events, half black, whatever, half black, half red.

00:43:46.040 He doubled down for the idiots in my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because

00:43:50.600 the other side of his face was painted red.

00:43:51.980 I could make the argument that that makes it even worse.

00:43:54.860 Y'all are the ones who hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on Cinco. 0.56

00:43:59.960 So what?

00:44:00.800 What?

00:44:01.760 What?

00:44:02.720 Go away.

00:44:03.540 Can you reread the sombreros thing slowly?

00:44:06.300 Y'all are the ones who hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on Cinco. 0.56

00:44:13.680 I don't know how that.

00:44:15.420 What is that?

00:44:16.080 I'll have you know that Camille Foster wore a sombrero on Cinco de Mayo on air. 1.00

00:44:21.120 I did.

00:44:22.040 On the Fox Business Network.

00:44:23.100 That's true.

00:44:23.560 While drinking on air.

00:44:25.940 I think I was also eating guacamole, if I'm not mistaken.

00:44:29.300 Yeah.

00:44:29.640 You did all of those things.

00:44:30.580 You've thrown a taco, you're good to go.

00:44:32.580 Yeah.

00:44:32.820 Margarita?

00:44:33.420 I know.

00:44:34.420 So what about the attempt to ruin this young boy's life?

00:44:37.040 And blame it all on the NFL, too.

00:44:38.920 Oh, let's do more.

00:44:41.200 Let's do more ruining of kids' lives. 1.00

00:44:43.400 Because after Covington, we just haven't had enough recently.

00:44:47.840 I do want to say that as somebody, Megan, you can sympathize with this, who has had to

00:44:53.460 experience this for a very long time as an Irish-American and having to see Notre Dame

00:45:00.320 fighting Irish make our people look like drunken street brawlers that we definitely are not, 1.00

00:45:07.160 which I've never seen an Irish person get into a fight.

00:45:09.440 They're usually doing mathematics or winning Nobel Prizes and definitely not getting wasted

00:45:15.380 and fighting people.

00:45:16.940 But I think as an Irish-American who has gone through this with a football team with a picture,

00:45:21.740 or actually, I'm from Boston.

00:45:22.900 The Boston Celtics is an Irishman with a pipe in his mouth and his fists up, ready to fight. 1.00

00:45:27.800 That's the...

00:45:28.060 Every time you pick up a box of Lucky Charms, those wounds don't heal.

00:45:33.280 That's a box of racism, Megan. 0.80

00:45:35.400 And if you want to eat racism for breakfast, I'm sure you're feeding it to your kids.

00:45:39.560 To make them racist against their own people.

00:45:42.220 You know, my culture is not Megyn Kelly's costume, okay?

00:45:46.040 And I think you should show that.

00:45:47.760 These fucking people, unbelievable.

00:45:49.540 I can't even...

00:45:50.400 Like, it's...

00:45:51.100 Do you know you get those stories where you don't even know what to say anymore?

00:45:53.540 You're like, I just can't even believe they're real.

00:45:55.840 Don't sound racist, but you know this kid's life is ruined right now.

00:45:58.180 You know this kid, he's a real kid, he's going to school, and his teachers are looking

00:46:02.220 at him and his classmates are like, oh, you know, and the kid's like, oh my God, I'm all over the

00:46:05.720 papers.

00:46:06.160 This is racist.

00:46:07.320 I hate so many people.

00:46:08.380 I hate Blacks, and I hate Native Americans, I guess. 1.00

00:46:10.900 And somehow some raras on Cinco come into a race and mix. 0.76

00:46:14.360 Maybe it's not ruined.

00:46:16.740 Maybe the silver lining in this is that it's Deadspin.

00:46:19.600 And who knew that Deadspin is still alive?

00:46:21.580 It's still alive.

00:46:22.160 And if you even call that alive, that terrible, terrible writing, maybe we've moved on from

00:46:27.520 that, Camille.

00:46:28.740 Maybe we finally were taking the Camille-ist route of this.

00:46:32.180 And he says that as a Redskins hater from way back, but not necessarily the name.

00:46:36.880 But like, it is so transparently stupid.

00:46:39.280 If you ask an average normal American of whether this kid should be crucified, they'd be like,

00:46:43.660 what are you even talking about?

00:46:45.140 And when is Deadspin really going to go bankrupt this time?

00:46:47.920 Yeah.

00:46:48.500 I think that's fair.

00:46:49.660 We lost Camille's feed for right now.

00:46:51.440 We'll get it back in the commercial break.

00:46:52.920 But yeah, this is the same guy, by the way, this writer, Karen, C-A-R-R-O-N, courtesy of

00:47:01.260 lives of TikTok that unearthed this old 2016 tweet.

00:47:04.500 This is what he tweeted on March 6th of 16.

00:47:06.760 I'm from Saginaw, spent a lot of time in Flint.

00:47:09.300 This is Michigan, of course.

00:47:10.440 I've never seen this many white people in Flint in my life.

00:47:13.900 It's concerning.

00:47:16.060 Okay.

00:47:16.520 It's concerning.

00:47:17.160 He's concerned about all the whites he saw in Flint, Michigan. 0.99

00:47:20.480 He is a real Karen.

00:47:21.340 Because he really cares about racial sensitivity, I guess.

00:47:24.100 I'm not really totally following Camille.

00:47:26.320 He's back.

00:47:27.280 But what do you make of Karen?

00:47:29.560 I have no idea what to make of someone who is disconcerted when they see people of a different 1.00

00:47:34.180 race in their general vicinity.

00:47:36.700 I think we used to have a word for that sort of thing.

00:47:39.080 Maybe racist.

00:47:41.300 I think it probably applies here.

00:47:43.840 I don't like seeing people who don't look like me in my area, my general vicinity. 1.00

00:47:47.900 Hey, you're a racist.

00:47:48.900 You should do something about that.

00:47:51.220 I'm telling you, I've said it before.

00:47:52.300 I'm going to say it again.

00:47:53.880 The Browns, only a matter of time.

00:47:57.320 They're going to.

00:47:58.180 Oh, wow.

00:47:58.920 I never even thought about that.

00:48:00.340 You know why?

00:48:00.980 Because I'm not racist.

00:48:02.200 The Browns are going, how about my people?

00:48:04.760 The Syracuse Orange.

00:48:05.920 The Orange.

00:48:06.800 They got to go.

00:48:08.160 They try to play themselves off like they're a little fruit.

00:48:10.540 We know what you're implying.

00:48:11.940 Orange.

00:48:12.340 Orange face.

00:48:13.740 It's just a matter of time.

00:48:14.540 You heard it here first.

00:48:15.820 Stand by.

00:48:16.620 Quick break.

00:48:18.820 Much, much more with the fifth column, including President Trump now addressing the beating

00:48:24.300 he's been taking for repeatedly referring to President Biden as President Obama.

00:48:30.060 We'll tell you the excuse he's offering, and you will tell us whether you buy it.

00:48:34.260 Stand by.

00:48:34.660 All right.

00:48:39.120 So picking back up on our politics conversation, where we left some goodness on the floor regarding

00:48:44.380 Trump, regarding Biden and the internal flutterings at the White House over how he's handling the

00:48:50.140 Israel crisis.

00:48:52.320 Before I get to that, I do want to do the Trump thing, because we left off kind of with GOP

00:48:55.900 politics, Nikki Haley, DeSantis, and so on.

00:48:57.780 So one of the things that's been coming at Trump, both from Biden, I think, but definitely

00:49:04.360 from Team DeSantis, has been attacks on whether he's still got it, right?

00:49:09.060 Whether he's also suffering from some of the same age-related deterioration that President

00:49:15.980 Biden is.

00:49:17.300 And one of the things that he's been doing is he continues to refer to President Biden

00:49:23.880 as President Obama.

00:49:25.520 And he's done it, like, seven times, I think.

00:49:29.280 And DeSantis has been making a thing out of this.

00:49:32.300 And now Trump has responded by saying it was intentional.

00:49:39.360 He's saying that it was done, quote, sarcastically.

00:49:44.140 Well, I'm going to find you exactly how he defended it.

00:49:48.440 Because this is, you know, this is a problem for him, potentially.

00:49:52.360 Because if the GOP doesn't want to lose this card to play against Biden, they certainly

00:49:57.080 don't want their nominee to have the same issue.

00:49:59.920 OK, let's see.

00:50:01.660 He insists that he was not confused.

00:50:04.040 He was just being sarcastic.

00:50:07.000 Quote from Truth Social.

00:50:08.120 Whenever I sarcastically insert the name Obama for Biden as an indication that others may

00:50:14.840 actually be having a very big influence in running our country, Ron DeSantis and his failing

00:50:20.120 campaign apparatus, together with the Democrats' radical left disinformation machine, go wild,

00:50:26.140 saying that Trump doesn't know the name of our president.

00:50:29.260 Crooked Joe Biden.

00:50:30.660 He must be cognitively impaired.

00:50:32.300 No, I know both names very well.

00:50:35.520 I never mix them up.

00:50:36.840 And I know that they are destroying our country.

00:50:39.420 Then he goes on to say he just took a cognitive test and aced it.

00:50:43.580 Also aced a perfect score.

00:50:45.720 One taken while in the White House.

00:50:48.080 Biden should take one.

00:50:49.540 Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

00:50:50.480 OK, so classic Trump.

00:50:52.300 So let's take a look at a montage of Trump saying President Obama, where he clearly meant

00:50:59.200 Biden.

00:50:59.980 What he now says was sarcasm.

00:51:03.260 And we did with Obama.

00:51:05.320 We won an election that everyone said couldn't be won.

00:51:08.440 Almost 500 miles of wall.

00:51:10.080 Even the Obama administration says it in their stats.

00:51:13.460 Right.

00:51:13.740 It's all coming through Iran. 1.00

00:51:15.080 And Obama wants to.

00:51:17.000 He doesn't want to talk about it.

00:51:18.360 He doesn't want to mention.

00:51:19.580 He doesn't even mention them in his statements.

00:51:21.800 It's all coming through Iran. 1.00

00:51:23.920 Well, you mean President Biden.

00:51:25.060 Fauci became big in the Bush administration in the and it's almost the same thing in the

00:51:31.880 Biden administration.

00:51:32.980 I came here.

00:51:33.480 Everyone thought Bush was going to win.

00:51:34.980 They thought Bush because Bush supposedly was a military person.

00:51:37.620 Great.

00:51:38.080 You know what?

00:51:38.440 He was a Miller. 0.91

00:51:38.940 He got us into the he got us into the Middle East.

00:51:41.960 How did that work out?

00:51:44.340 Hmm.

00:51:46.780 So what do you think, jury?

00:51:50.360 Sarcasm.

00:51:52.280 No, no, no, clearly not.

00:51:56.620 No, it wasn't.

00:51:58.700 I mean, you can tell it was a tone of voice.

00:52:00.680 You have to.

00:52:01.580 Sarcasm requires a hint to the audience that you're being sarcastic.

00:52:05.180 That's how sarcasm works.

00:52:06.660 There's no hint there at all.

00:52:08.120 And like, look, the point is, is that there's, you know, he's an old guy and this happens

00:52:13.360 to everybody who's old.

00:52:14.700 It's a matter of degree.

00:52:15.900 And some of us who aren't.

00:52:17.620 And some of us who aren't.

00:52:18.480 I don't I don't even know what show I'm on right now.

00:52:21.100 And I just I just want to thank you for having us on the Glenn Beck show.

00:52:24.940 But this happens to people.

00:52:28.220 The Biden one is pretty serious, though, number one, because he's president.

00:52:31.500 And number two, because it's the physical impairment, too, that kind of makes it seem

00:52:36.240 so much more acute when he's like, you know, what is the the Shane Gillis who says he's

00:52:42.280 like a Roomba vacuum when he tries to get off the stage?

00:52:44.940 He's just like trying to find Biden is or Obama.

00:52:48.340 Whatever we're calling him at the moment.

00:52:49.720 But that's I mean, there's the degrees here.

00:52:51.820 Like, I expect him to go.

00:52:54.160 I mean, it's a matter of like I've seen the guy speak in the past, been there for a Trump

00:52:59.660 rally in the past couple of months.

00:53:00.940 Right.

00:53:01.180 Three months.

00:53:01.840 And I didn't see anything.

00:53:03.100 He was sharp as a tack.

00:53:04.400 And he was funny and he was doing his bit and you're going to screw up.

00:53:08.080 And I'm sure that's age related.

00:53:09.720 But, you know, it's not nearly as bad as what's happening to Biden.

00:53:12.880 It's just a fact.

00:53:13.620 And the sarcasm like wouldn't work anyway.

00:53:16.060 So why would you remind people that Obama is part of what you're running against?

00:53:21.620 Obama is kind of popular.

00:53:23.280 Michelle Obama, for whatever reason, is one of the most popular figures in modern American

00:53:29.080 life, very bestselling author and whatnot, even no matter how many times Barack Obama

00:53:35.140 posts, you know, selfies with Bruce Springsteen online, he's still popular.

00:53:38.800 I don't personally get it.

00:53:40.660 But Biden is the one who's unpopular and he's the one who's is wearing the both the

00:53:48.200 international unquiet or disquiet and the weird economy in a way that Obama couldn't

00:53:54.900 wear it.

00:53:55.420 I mean, that's that that is a thing, you know, we were talking about Trump's poll

00:53:59.640 numbers earlier.

00:54:00.320 One of the reasons why I think that Trump is is beating Biden is that he's less in the

00:54:04.900 news and through not necessarily any fault of his own.

00:54:08.280 But when you skip all the debates and when there's gigantic international news and your

00:54:13.320 trials haven't started yet, you're going to be a little bit less in the news.

00:54:16.580 And so people forget how much they're irritated by him one way or the other.

00:54:21.160 It's amazing how he's been able to completely skate under the radar this time.

00:54:26.040 Like, at least when it comes to debating or having his ideas challenged, you know, he

00:54:29.500 sat for an interview with me, which I really appreciated and thought was spicy, one with

00:54:33.820 Kristen Welker and a couple of others.

00:54:35.700 But we could actually have a presidential election in which there have been absolutely no debates

00:54:39.920 with the two candidates who are running.

00:54:42.200 You know, Trump could get this nomination.

00:54:43.760 And then Biden, I do not think Biden will debate Trump.

00:54:46.720 I think he'll say I'm not standing next to an insurrectionist.

00:54:49.060 Never mind a four times indicted potential felon or could even be a convicted felon by

00:54:55.280 the time the debates roll around.

00:54:57.160 That's not till August, till fall, October of the election year.

00:55:01.860 So, you know, it's a year away.

00:55:03.660 Um, so we could actually have a presidential election in which neither one of the candidates

00:55:07.960 has debated, uh, either in the primaries or in the actual general, which is not good

00:55:12.980 for the country.

00:55:13.480 That is not good.

00:55:14.320 We should not accept that as a standard.

00:55:17.640 It's such a middle finger.

00:55:19.680 There's that word again, uh, to America.

00:55:22.120 Okay.

00:55:22.500 I want to talk about Biden because what's happening to him politically and within his own White

00:55:27.020 House on his Israel policy is interesting.

00:55:30.440 Um, you know, you mentioned possible third parties that won't be the only thing pulling

00:55:34.220 votes away from Biden.

00:55:35.520 This growing Palestinian constituency or supporters, uh, of Palestine is getting more and more vocal

00:55:44.280 and the White House is trying to find a way to deal with them, even though Biden seems

00:55:48.280 pro-Israel and, and he's been pretty good in his comments about Israel, not uniformly,

00:55:52.880 but, uh, you know, net net.

00:55:55.180 So there's a deep dive in the Washington post this week saying White House grapples with internal

00:56:00.840 divisions on Israel, Gaza.

00:56:02.440 Earlier this month, a group of about 20 distressed White House staffers requested a meeting with

00:56:08.080 President Biden's top advisors, his White House chief of staff, his senior advisor, and

00:56:12.280 his deputy national security advisor.

00:56:14.000 And they sat with these whiners. 0.77

00:56:16.720 They wanted to know the administration's strategy for curbing the number of civilian deaths,

00:56:20.660 the message it plans to send on the conflict and its post-war vision for the region.

00:56:25.100 Now there's no suggestion that these are people who are responsible for messaging or policy.

00:56:31.520 It's just 20 distressed White House staffers who are demanding answers from the president

00:56:38.880 and getting them.

00:56:40.200 Um, some participants felt that these officials fell back on familiar talking points.

00:56:46.220 Um, they go on to say this story is based on interviews with 27 White House officials,

00:56:51.560 senior administration officials, and outside advisors.

00:56:53.920 And they say that, uh, okay, the division inside the White House is to some degree between Biden's

00:57:02.400 senior long-time aides and an array of younger staffers of diverse backgrounds.

00:57:08.740 These are the Wokies who are in there saying, protect, protect the people who look like me,

00:57:14.560 irrespective of blame.

00:57:16.360 Uh, then Biden met with five prominent Muslim Americans the day after he said he should be

00:57:22.760 skeptical of the death toll numbers coming out of the gap, the Gaza health ministry.

00:57:26.520 And the next day he met with these five prominent Muslim Americans and apologized.

00:57:31.940 According to the Washington Post, he said, I'm sorry.

00:57:34.540 I'm disappointed in myself.

00:57:36.600 I will do better.

00:57:38.020 No, sir.

00:57:38.560 You had it right the first time.

00:57:39.840 Should not trust numbers coming out of Hamas, the group that puts babies in ovens. 0.97

00:57:45.720 They are not our friend when it comes to anything.

00:57:49.100 Uh, and now since Hamas has launched his attack, the administration officials have had regular

00:57:53.940 discussions with staffers, political appointees, and outside groups to reassure them and to gauge

00:57:59.920 their reaction.

00:58:01.400 Uh, and we could go on.

00:58:02.780 So the White House having to do still more handholding.

00:58:05.960 We know it was Kamala Harris who put that line about Islamophobia in Biden's initial address

00:58:11.260 on Israel.

00:58:11.740 It was so out of place.

00:58:13.200 It didn't make any sense.

00:58:14.000 We were seeing an outbreak of anti-Semitism.

00:58:15.780 That's where they went because of her.

00:58:18.040 And this actually has serious political consequences potentially for this president in an election

00:58:23.480 year.

00:58:23.940 What do you guys make of what we're seeing there, the appeasement and how this unfolds over

00:58:29.000 the next 12 months?

00:58:30.260 I mean, talk about the least surprising news story.

00:58:33.700 I mean, when you see unnamed congressional staffers signing a letter or petition of some sort

00:58:42.980 about Israel and Gaza, when you see the ACLU being lost to a younger generation of people

00:58:49.540 who don't want to stick up for civil liberties, of bad people anymore, and has been completely

00:58:54.460 taken over by, you know, a totally different agenda.

00:58:57.040 And I mean, you know, Barry Weiss, my friend and a very close friend of the Fifth Column

00:59:02.220 podcast, you know, was like ridiculed at the New York Times for saying that there is

00:59:07.380 a division, a fissure that is open between young, the younger staffers and the older staffers.

00:59:14.200 And that was considered to be some sort of sacrilegious thing to say.

00:59:18.100 And something wasn't true.

00:59:19.080 It clearly was true. 0.98

00:59:20.440 And we've seen this over and over again.

00:59:23.620 I mean, that kind of thing is unsurprising.

00:59:26.140 The best way of handling that is to ignore it.

00:59:29.420 They have, what are they going to do?

00:59:31.040 Going to go public and, you know, put the Biden administration as always having, already

00:59:35.380 having a very tough time with its poll numbers on this policy in even worse position.

00:59:40.380 I mean, I can't imagine they would.

00:59:41.980 The best thing to do is to ignore people like this.

00:59:44.320 The comments that Biden made to the five Muslim leaders about the death toll figures is very

00:59:52.860 distressing.

00:59:54.620 You know, you have to stand up and you would hope that these Muslim leaders would also

01:00:00.560 themselves not trust and not want to be associated with Hamas and not think that they're honest 0.90

01:00:06.880 brokers.

01:00:07.420 I imagine one would hope that that was the case.

01:00:09.780 But I want to remind everybody of something, something that has really been forgotten about,

01:00:13.360 because we do actually have a test case about these numbers, right?

01:00:17.180 I mean, it's 10,000, 11,000, 12,000.

01:00:19.740 The numbers are going to be high because it's war and it's deeply, deeply unfortunate.

01:00:24.720 And I cannot stand seeing those images myself.

01:00:28.360 But let's remember the Israeli rocket attack on the hospital that turned out not to be an

01:00:35.340 Israeli rocket attack on the hospital.

01:00:37.560 Recall that the Gaza Health Ministry immediately said that 300 people died.

01:00:41.580 And European intelligence said, well, I think they said 500 went down to 300, trying to

01:00:48.560 become a little more realistic.

01:00:50.420 500 initially.

01:00:51.480 And then, you know, people in various European intelligence said, well, it wasn't.

01:00:57.320 It was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket.

01:00:59.720 And the numbers could be anywhere from five to six to maybe 30.

01:01:03.580 So we have an example of them inflating, I mean, you know, 20, 30, 50x on one thing that

01:01:12.280 turns out we find out isn't true.

01:01:14.480 It's hard to find out that these things aren't true.

01:01:17.040 It's very rarely are you provided an opportunity like that to see them lying in action.

01:01:21.640 And they have very precise numbers very quickly.

01:01:24.320 The Israelis took them about what they're still counting the number of people who died on

01:01:28.080 October 7th.

01:01:28.720 They tell you 372, some exact number of children died.

01:01:33.920 And they'll adjust.

01:01:34.640 They really will adjust downward on the Israeli side.

01:01:36.860 Like they said 1,400 killed.

01:01:37.700 They already have.

01:01:38.720 And then they came out and said it was actually 1,200.

01:01:41.280 Yeah, that's right.

01:01:42.280 They understand that their reputation, their international reputation, is one that is savaged

01:01:49.640 more than any other country.

01:01:51.540 I mean, Bashar al-Assad doesn't get, you know, these things in front of the United Nations,

01:01:55.420 condemning them as much as Israel does. 0.81

01:01:57.660 They hold the record every year.

01:01:59.380 So they know they have to be careful about this stuff.

01:02:01.440 So saying that the Gaza health ministry is untrustworthy, not even saying that those numbers

01:02:08.440 are totally wrong, saying that one has to be skeptical of this and the fact that people

01:02:13.580 are being, you know, shown into the White House to tongue lash the president for saying

01:02:18.740 something that is transparently true is a bit troubling to me.

01:02:22.420 And dozens of your staffers, dozens of your staffers giving comment on an article like this,

01:02:27.440 making it clear that you are saying things publicly, that you are then disparaging in

01:02:31.880 private.

01:02:32.540 And this is not a good look for the Biden administration.

01:02:35.720 It suggests that the entirety of this administration is kind of in disarray.

01:02:39.920 And one can only expect things to get substantially worse for them where this conflict is concerned,

01:02:46.120 but likely in other areas as well.

01:02:47.580 The reality is that just to add to that, oh, sorry, go ahead.

01:02:50.640 Go ahead, Matt.

01:02:51.720 Just that the median position that a kind of public service facing young democratic person,

01:03:00.080 especially if they're going to be focusing on international relations, their median position

01:03:05.340 is going to be kind of the root of the problem in most of international relations.

01:03:10.440 And certainly the Muslim world is Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the failure 1.00

01:03:16.060 of the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

01:03:19.380 It's a huge generational strong belief.

01:03:22.260 And then there's just an American-wide societal and very distressing belief that I'm sure you've

01:03:26.560 talked about in this program.

01:03:27.600 The Harvard-Harris poll that came out that something close to 50 percent of 18 to 24-year-olds

01:03:32.880 said that Hamas was at least somewhat justified in using violence on October 7th.

01:03:38.440 Um, that's insane.

01:03:41.080 I don't want to believe that it's true.

01:03:43.880 And so maybe it's a little bit lessened, but it is a political reality of, of, uh, the

01:03:48.240 Democratic coalition.

01:03:49.480 Absolutely.

01:03:50.320 Uh, going forward, my, uh, you know, question for them is, will they suddenly think that,

01:03:55.880 well, therefore I must vote for Donald Trump or the Republican party?

01:03:59.680 Like, what do you think is going to be different here?

01:04:01.900 But I'm not really sure they're thinking more than one or two times ahead or stay at home.

01:04:06.180 Um, uh, it's, so that's what they're saying that in this article, they say, um, that one

01:04:11.320 of the Palestinian immediate, uh, Americans in one of the meetings with the white house

01:04:14.800 aides said the participants left with more resolve than ever to organize their communities,

01:04:18.980 not to vote for Biden in the 2024 election.

01:04:21.360 The person said Arabs and Muslims would also not vote for former president Trump.

01:04:25.520 They could sit out the race.

01:04:26.900 Go ahead, Matt.

01:04:28.040 Joe Biden has always been, um, uh, I make one good metaphor a year.

01:04:32.080 And one I made a few years back was that he's a rusty weather vane, like wherever the

01:04:35.700 democratic winds are blowing, he's going to kind of get there creakily.

01:04:39.620 And that's part of the reason why you vote for him.

01:04:41.120 If you're a conservative Democrat is that he's not going to go full Elizabeth Warren on

01:04:45.020 you and just completely lose his mind and start like making, you know, monopoly, monopolist

01:04:49.300 investigations into subway sandwiches, but he's going to get there slowly.

01:04:52.540 If the, if the democratic base is absolutely split on this, and I think it is, um, he's going

01:04:58.340 to have to try to address those concerns and it's going to be unseen.

01:05:01.680 This is a thing that Democrats really have to worry about, um, because they're worrying

01:05:06.800 about it, um, a little bit, but not very much because the Republican party is such a mess.

01:05:11.400 And, you know, these are the own goals that, that Republicans consistently give Democrats.

01:05:15.580 Uh, you know, you have young people, you have, you know, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans,

01:05:21.220 Palestinian Americans saying we'll stay at home and some more radical, uh, young people 0.93

01:05:26.120 that will stay at home and, you know, these are people that consistently vote for Democrats.

01:05:29.980 A couple of weeks ago, I spoke to Rui Teixeira and John Judas, uh, John Judas is a socialist.

01:05:36.120 Rui Teixeira is a Democrat and they wrote a book called the Emerging Democratic Majority.

01:05:40.900 And they've just come out with a new book trying to figure out where that went wrong

01:05:44.000 called, where did all the Democrats go?

01:05:46.160 Um, and their answer is, you know, the Democrats, if they want to win future elections have to move

01:05:52.980 away from radical cultural politics on transgender issues, on race issues, and all these things that,

01:05:59.700 you know, we talk about so much in the fifth column and come back to normal centrist working

01:06:04.940 class, bread and butter kitchen table issues.

01:06:07.680 Now that is a problem.

01:06:09.220 Those are the people that are on the quote unquote right of the democratic party, the sort of

01:06:12.320 blue dogs, yellow dogs of, of, of yesterday year.

01:06:15.140 And imagine that if these people are going away and saying, and, and, you know, Teixeira and

01:06:19.960 Judas have a lot of poll numbers suggesting that's true. 0.98

01:06:22.480 Now you're going to have people on the left of the party saying, we don't like what you're

01:06:27.080 doing in vis-a-vis, um, Israel and Palestine.

01:06:30.340 So where is this?

01:06:31.600 I mean, this party is going to fracture in a thousand different places.

01:06:34.820 And this is a great opportunity for Republicans to stop their silliness and actually get a party

01:06:42.300 in the future that has a coherent ideology that is very different from the democratic ideology,

01:06:48.020 which sometimes I think is, has gotten a little too close to where they are, particularly

01:06:51.480 on economics.

01:06:52.720 But where these foreign policy engagements are concerned, I mean, I think what you are

01:06:56.940 ultimately going to see, and this seems to be almost necessarily true, is the merger of

01:07:01.660 the cynicism, the skepticism, and the exhaustion of everyone else with respect to the entanglements

01:07:08.200 in Ukraine and in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

01:07:11.500 I just don't know that there is going to be, even amongst people who are very concerned

01:07:16.220 about this, who generally stand with Israel, that they're going to be very excited about

01:07:21.660 being engaged in these conflicts in a protracted way many, many months from now.

01:07:26.720 It's already the case that we've seen a lot of that with respect to Ukraine.

01:07:30.480 I have to imagine that that would be on an accelerated, happening on an accelerated clip

01:07:34.260 with respect to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

01:07:37.020 So if that rusty weather vane is going to be moving, well, it should better move pretty

01:07:40.360 quickly if it's going to have any chance of helping Joe Biden in this race.

01:07:43.920 Hmm. Listen to how bad it is.

01:07:47.220 They report, again, this is the same Washington Post report, that on October 7th, the date

01:07:52.680 of the massacre, many in the White House responded viscerally to the brutal nature of the atrocities.

01:07:58.040 The chief of staff emailed staffers expressing empathy with Jewish staffers and those with

01:08:03.980 personal ties to Israel.

01:08:05.860 Many Jewish staffers appreciated the note, but some Arab and Muslim officials felt it was tone-deaf

01:08:12.900 to their concerns.

01:08:13.780 This is the day of the massacre, given that Israeli officials were vowing to carry out

01:08:18.940 a scorched-earth campaign in Gaza.

01:08:21.900 So you've got Muslim and Arab officials inside the White House pissed off that a note of empathy

01:08:28.160 went out from the chief of staff as the Jews were being beheaded, murdered, raped in Israel

01:08:35.100 that day.

01:08:35.980 Muslim appointees in the administration began raising alarm bells about this email and what

01:08:43.600 they believed was one-sided rhetoric by the administration, according to a senior administration

01:08:49.320 official familiar with it.

01:08:51.260 They go on to say that the chief of staff and Anita Dunn, who runs Strategy for Biden, have

01:08:56.820 conducted regular meetings and listening sessions with the staffers.

01:09:01.940 This, in particular, after this six-year-old Palestinian-American boy was fatally stabbed

01:09:07.160 in Illinois.

01:09:08.460 You guys remember chief of staff writing in an October 17th email, I wanted to take a moment

01:09:12.300 to acknowledge how difficult it's been for our Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim-American

01:09:16.460 colleagues, and goes on from there.

01:09:19.240 Is any business getting done inside the White House?

01:09:22.860 I mean, like, the number of meetings, Muslim-Americans, Arab-Americans, we're sorry, we take it back,

01:09:27.600 we'll do better.

01:09:28.100 We're so sorry, sorry about the email, we'll do better on this, more listening sessions.

01:09:33.280 My God, this is our future, based on the woke-ification of America and the influx of all these little 1.00

01:09:41.520 snowflake petals, whatever, flower petals, snowflakes, into the administration, the White House,

01:09:46.980 you name it.

01:09:47.660 Now, having their way, there's no grown-up to say, grow up, it's not my job to coddle you.

01:09:54.620 Bye.

01:09:55.200 You didn't think that when you went to a university 10 years ago, 12 years ago, and saw the kind of

01:10:01.880 claptrap that was, you know, passing as intellectual debate, that that wasn't going to have, you know,

01:10:09.560 kind of an infectious quality in every, you know, thing that we do, right?

01:10:14.160 And particularly people who leave college and want to go into politics, people who leave college these

01:10:19.660 days, I mean, you're obviously seeing the logical endpoint of people talking about identity ad infinitum,

01:10:26.660 right?

01:10:27.200 As of this, can you talk to me about this?

01:10:29.700 As of that, what is the right strategy for peace in the Middle East, for supporting our ally in the

01:10:37.000 Middle East, Israel, and doing it in a way that is humane, something like that?

01:10:41.600 If that's the conversation you want to have, number one, you're too junior to have it, so please

01:10:45.700 fuck off.

01:10:46.500 The second thing is, if you're going to have that conversation, please don't have it about,

01:10:51.500 well, as of this, I am a Muslim American, something very bad happened in Chicago, which it

01:10:57.520 absolutely did, and something very bad happened in Vermont the other day, too, but I don't

01:11:02.780 understand what that has to do with what America should do in response to its oldest ally in

01:11:10.220 the Middle East, its only ally, that's a true ally in that sense, and from 1948 on, I mean,

01:11:15.100 this is madness, because it's just this same BS talking points about identity pushed into

01:11:23.260 an administration that has made some missteps, and we just talked about one of them, but

01:11:28.760 has been generally pretty good, and I want to acknowledge they've been generally pretty

01:11:33.080 good.

01:11:33.620 They haven't been perfect, but, you know, let's not make the perfect of the enemy of the

01:11:37.640 good in a situation like this.

01:11:39.600 Megan, as a manager of people, I know I don't have to tell you, don't listen to your staffers.

01:11:45.020 This is just a mistake.

01:11:47.980 My staffers would never do this shit.

01:11:51.700 They've learned.

01:11:52.920 They're afraid of you.

01:11:54.240 They've got turn marks on their flesh.

01:11:55.400 They would never come work here if they were otherwise.

01:11:57.600 Yeah.

01:11:58.400 There's a weird overlap with the story that we were talking about before in the New York

01:12:01.480 school where we saw a riot and, like, cops beaten and a teacher barricaded inside of

01:12:08.780 her door.

01:12:09.740 An anti-Semitic riot.

01:12:10.840 An anti-Semitic riot.

01:12:11.800 And the apologia for the chancellor, David Banks, said, well, you have to understand that

01:12:18.180 these kids see videos on TikTok of Palestinian babies getting blown up, and so they therefore 0.96

01:12:28.460 interpret standing with Israel or saying that you stand with Israel as being in favor of

01:12:34.700 that, which is an interesting bit of apologia, and it suggests the next step, which is tell

01:12:40.640 Oh, you're really stupid.

01:12:43.020 Knock it off.

01:12:44.120 That's a stupid way to respond.

01:12:46.480 Like, just even cognitively, let alone, like, I'm going to act on this stupid response by

01:12:51.840 doing a huge riot on the third floor and to chase a Jewish teacher with anti-Semitic remarks

01:12:59.220 and make her scared and barricaded in the classroom.

01:13:02.120 You don't, like, you don't humor that, actually.

01:13:05.500 Could you imagine a racist event in which they weren't chasing a Jew through the hall?

01:13:12.100 I mean, it's absolutely appalling.

01:13:13.140 This is real.

01:13:13.840 For us.

01:13:14.240 Saying, like, anti-Semitic things as the person has to barricade themselves.

01:13:19.380 Good Lord.

01:13:20.380 We had endless conversations about things that were one one hundredth of that, whether it's,

01:13:26.180 you know, the Covington Catholic kid looking rather kind of blasé about somebody.

01:13:31.480 Ten-year-old in a chair.

01:13:32.560 His grave crime was smiling.

01:13:35.800 Smiling in the speaking of a Native American man who was beating a drum in his face. 0.99

01:13:39.880 Jewish through the school in New York City is not something that you should ever make excuses

01:13:45.940 for.

01:13:46.400 And I suspect if there was a bunch of lacrosse-playing white kids in Greenwich, Connecticut,

01:13:52.180 that chased the one black teacher because they were mad about something that they stupidly 0.84

01:13:57.240 associated with all black people, which is what you're supposed to do in anti-racist,

01:14:02.400 real anti-racist education, is not to blame an entire group for the actions of somebody

01:14:07.640 or something that's similar or that you don't like.

01:14:10.940 I mean, this is utter fucking madness.

01:14:14.080 The response to be like, well, we have to talk to them.

01:14:16.600 Do you think that these kids running through, attacking a teacher, need a talking to?

01:14:22.720 You think that's going to solve it?

01:14:23.960 Share their words.

01:14:24.820 Oh, my God.

01:14:26.140 Let me talk to them.

01:14:27.340 I'll pepper spray that.

01:14:28.180 And it's not just the school.

01:14:30.300 So do you guys see the home of the leader of AIPAC, you know, this pro-Israel group popular

01:14:38.120 with conservatives, got targeted out in L.A., and we've got some video from it and a soundbite

01:14:46.240 of what happened there as these pro-Palestinian protesters stormed the guy's neighborhood,

01:14:51.500 his house, and he got out of there.

01:14:54.980 But the people around him, his neighbors had to come out.

01:14:58.040 Like, it was quite a to-do.

01:14:59.300 Take a look at SOT 11.

01:15:00.680 Is that a smoke bomb?

01:15:10.060 Yeah, smoke bombs.

01:15:11.560 Yeah.

01:15:18.320 Papa, Papa, please don't do that.

01:15:21.780 Papa!

01:15:22.220 So I believe the girl saying, Papa, please don't do that, is the daughter of the neighbor 1.00

01:15:32.220 who was like, F this shit. 0.77

01:15:33.880 I'm going out there and talking to these losers.

01:15:35.920 Tell them to get out of here.

01:15:36.840 So the neighbor stood up for the guy who was under attack.

01:15:39.660 Some of the neighbors actually spoke out to NBC Los Angeles.

01:15:42.300 Here's some of it in SOT 12.

01:15:43.320 When I realized that they were attacking the property, the private property of my neighbor,

01:15:51.100 I decided to go and try to stop them.

01:15:54.920 I believe in the First Amendment, but when you pass and you go through a private property

01:16:00.440 and you terrorize people, that's the end for me.

01:16:05.100 Somebody told me she knew where I live now, so I'm a little bit...

01:16:09.200 We have police coming by constantly.

01:16:11.100 I think we're safe.

01:16:13.320 Well, I mean, imagine, to your point, imagine if this were, and by the way, we'll show you

01:16:19.220 the video here, fake blood, fake bodies on the driveway, some sign with F your holiday,

01:16:25.400 you baby killer. 0.87

01:16:27.180 This is what this man had to deal with outside of his home, thanks to this group protesting

01:16:32.980 on behalf of the Palestinians, Hamas, you tell me. 0.84

01:16:36.960 And imagine, to your point, if this were Patrice Cullors at the height of the Black Lives 0.97

01:16:42.760 Matter movement, and this was a bunch of MAGA hat-wearing people outside of her home, throwing

01:16:48.920 smoke bombs, F you, you killer, and mock-ups of dead bodies covered in blood all over. 0.62

01:16:56.880 It would be a national story.

01:16:59.260 It would be leading the news.

01:17:00.980 Most people probably haven't even heard this happened.

01:17:02.820 Remember that most, these people do not think that the means are the problem.

01:17:11.280 That's what they pretend to think, to pretend to believe, and they tell you that, but that's

01:17:16.600 total BS.

01:17:18.240 I mean, they do believe any means necessary, and you will have a very muted response from

01:17:23.840 the media because they agree with the goal.

01:17:27.040 The means aren't a problem when you agree with the goal.

01:17:30.360 For me, the means are always a problem.

01:17:32.780 That sort of stuff is unacceptable, regardless of what your message is.

01:17:37.220 I agree with you.

01:17:38.820 I don't, this is totally unacceptable if I agree with your message, and I would be ashamed

01:17:42.700 if I was on that side, as it were, and people representing this side that I believed in were

01:17:49.700 gluing themselves to things, screwing up traffic, throwing fake blood on private homes.

01:17:54.940 This is, you know, one of many, many things that we've seen recently, because, you know,

01:18:00.340 and also never be on the side of any cause that has a hey, hey, ho, ho chant.

01:18:05.780 It's always going to be bad.

01:18:07.580 It's true.

01:18:08.780 Where is this happening?

01:18:09.440 That's a little known rule.

01:18:10.760 Yeah, it's a little known rule, but it's true. 0.99

01:18:12.820 This is happening in Los Angeles.

01:18:14.440 In Brentwood.

01:18:14.920 God knows it's happening in New York constantly.

01:18:18.080 It's happening in Washington, D.C.

01:18:20.020 It's happening in Chicago.

01:18:22.000 Big cities, big, you know, overwhelmingly dominant progressive, left progressive cities.

01:18:28.940 Where is the support for Israel super rock solid?

01:18:33.820 The rest of the country.

01:18:35.500 And in fact, in these cities as well, if you like pull the actual majority of people who

01:18:39.680 are not trying to block the Manhattan Bridge when I'm trying to cross over it.

01:18:42.660 So it's an interesting dynamic, because where is the idiotic Democratic Party holding its

01:18:49.240 national convention next August in Chicago?

01:18:53.200 So it's going to be an advertisement.

01:18:55.040 Great history there of Democratic conventions.

01:18:57.740 It's going to be an advertisement for all this kind of off-putting dysfunction.

01:19:02.800 I mean, this stuff to the extent of which any halfway normal person interacts with an idiot

01:19:08.140 getting pepper sprayed by Michael Moynihan on the Macy's Day parade, they are going to hate

01:19:12.460 everything associated with that person for inconveniencing them.

01:19:16.060 Imagine the rest of the country.

01:19:17.320 If this is going to be the way the Democrats are kind of self-identifying, presenting themselves

01:19:21.940 to the world, it's going to make a doddering incumbent president all the less popular.

01:19:27.940 And it's just remarkable pursuant to everything we've talked about today.

01:19:32.140 It seems like the only person who could possibly lose to Joe Biden is Donald Trump and vice

01:19:37.000 versa.

01:19:38.480 And like, congratulations, America.

01:19:40.100 Well, you know, it's because we've talked, you know, the four of us many times about what

01:19:45.260 a cancer wokeism is and all this dividing us between each other based on race, et cetera.

01:19:50.600 And the group we've been looking for to join in these protestations are classical liberals

01:19:58.340 are sort of the old left, too.

01:19:59.880 Right.

01:20:00.040 It's like the old left and not these woke progressives who are on the new left who are annoying

01:20:04.980 and the ones who have taken over the college campuses and portions of the White House.

01:20:09.760 And they started to get it, I think, a bit over the past year plus.

01:20:15.040 I mean, I've talked many times about my friends in New York, most of whom are Democrats, who

01:20:18.900 got a little red pilled or in some cases entirely red pilled during COVID.

01:20:23.160 But more and more, this particular conflict is bringing it out.

01:20:27.320 And now even some of the left are noticing it and writing about it.

01:20:31.700 I thought this was an interesting Twitter thread by Nate Silver, the pollster who came

01:20:36.420 out on 1126 and wrote, I guess this is obvious, but some of the subtext behind the divide between

01:20:43.460 left slash progressives and liberal slash centrists over Israel is that these teams were already

01:20:51.940 rolling their eyes at one another over wokeness slash cancel culture and COVID.

01:20:58.060 So there's a lot of built up animosity.

01:21:01.340 And he goes on to say there's more correlation than there probably should be on these issues.

01:21:05.180 Like, I'd guess pro-Palestine folks score quite a bit higher on COVID hawkishness, even though you

01:21:13.000 really have to stretch to come up with a theory for why these positions should be related.

01:21:17.180 It's fascinating, Camille.

01:21:18.400 He's not wrong, right?

01:21:19.540 I bet he's right on that correlation.

01:21:21.780 But I love seeing somebody like Nate Silver start to get it, that the people who are,

01:21:27.280 in his words, liberal slash centrists, have really been on our side all the time on wokeness.

01:21:34.020 And it's their lunatic fringe who needs to be brought to heel for the preservation of the 1.00

01:21:40.160 country.

01:21:41.980 Yeah, there's something about the derangement that occurred during that summer of 2020 when

01:21:47.440 we were seeing all of the insane political violence, the constant persistent disruptions

01:21:53.320 of your life while you're sitting on a sidewalk trying to get something to eat and someone comes

01:21:57.240 and starts screaming in your face, insisting that you agree with them on whatever radical

01:22:01.760 proposition they were suggesting, like abolishing the police, for example.

01:22:05.880 People made apologies for that.

01:22:08.120 All sorts of euphemisms were invented, like mostly peaceful to describe what were obviously

01:22:13.420 odious demonstrations that had way too much violence.

01:22:17.640 For you to say mostly peaceful suggests that there's probably something wrong there that's

01:22:21.520 happening below the surface.

01:22:23.120 And I don't know how they managed to still win an election after that, having defended

01:22:29.240 those same people.

01:22:29.960 But again, maybe fielding a bad candidate is part of it.

01:22:32.720 But it'll be interesting to see if we see a repeat of that.

01:22:35.360 If these demonstrations continue in this way and continue to alienate people, which I think

01:22:40.880 is genuinely true, it'll be interesting to see if they can manage to pull this out again.

01:22:46.640 That suggests that this weird financial situation the RNC finds themselves in, it would probably

01:22:52.180 make sense for them to go bankrupt because they would have no reason to continue to exist

01:22:57.820 if they can consistently lose to people who engage in this kind of preposterous, disruptive

01:23:04.260 behavior.

01:23:05.100 The sclerosis that you were describing earlier in that post about the Biden administration doing

01:23:09.520 these listening tours internally.

01:23:11.260 I mean, imagine you're elected president of the United States and you're supposed to be

01:23:15.640 designing the policy and crafting it and your staff is out there executing for you.

01:23:19.840 Instead, they are managing an internal insurrection, a massive schism between the people within the

01:23:27.140 administration just to find a way for them to navigate through this situation that they

01:23:34.860 find themselves in. It's hideous on so many levels, but it's not at all obvious that this is going to be

01:23:42.580 enough to disrupt them because of just how dysfunctional our politics are right now.

01:23:47.100 You know, watching the right self-immolate after Trump with the never-Trumpers and the MAGA people and

01:23:54.540 people saying, you know, Fox isn't conservative enough and I'm only going to watch Newsmax, etc.

01:23:59.360 I've had a million of these conversations.

01:24:00.680 really made liberals happy. And a lot of people that I talked to there, they were like, it's so

01:24:05.600 fun to watch you guys shooting within, you know, inside the tent and having everybody have to kind

01:24:12.340 of stake out their position to, if they're a real conservative. Watching this on the left now when

01:24:17.500 it comes to Israel is really fascinating too, because as you said, Megan, it's, you know, there's

01:24:23.080 classical liberal types, but there's also liberal, liberal types. You know, people that are actually on

01:24:28.320 the left. I mean, you had Maurice Iserman, one of the founders of the DSA, writing in the Nation

01:24:34.140 magazine, pretty radical place, saying, I'm leaving the DSA over Israel. John Judas, who I mentioned

01:24:42.000 before, was an original guy in DSA. And he was horrified by a lot of this response to Israel,

01:24:48.740 because the difference is very, very simple. The past in these cleavages about Israel have existed,

01:24:55.020 right? I mean, Israel is kind of founded as a left-wing country. Labor Zionism, the kibbutzim 0.86

01:25:00.720 are like, it's a form of like labor collectivism. It's a socialist kind of place. Matt and I were at

01:25:06.800 one of the kibbutzes that was attacked last year, and it was hilarious to listen to these people. It's 1.00

01:25:12.380 like, I'm at, you know, a Marxist training camp in the middle of Israel. But it's funny how that

01:25:17.780 happens. But I think the real difference now is it used to be labor Zionism. It used to be kind of

01:25:23.300 like, well, the way that they're handling post-1967 after the Six-Day War and the occupation

01:25:29.640 of, at that point, Gaza and the West Bank is wrong. And we're like B'Tselem, this kind of left-wing

01:25:36.760 organization in Israel. Haaretz, a left-wing newspaper. The thing that these people in Israel

01:25:41.560 can't understand, now look this up. I tell listeners to go and look this up. The Israeli left 0.55

01:25:48.800 has been writing these open letters to their friends on the American left. Artists. There's

01:25:53.380 a big one among Israeli artists saying, you know, hey, we're left-wing too, but what the hell is wrong

01:25:57.840 with you guys? Because it's become from the river to the sea. It's become, you know, this kind of

01:26:03.660 exterminationist ideology. And I mean extermination for the state of Israel, that it shouldn't exist.

01:26:08.860 The number of people I've asked at these protests, do you think Israel should exist? No.

01:26:12.940 Where do they go? Back to where they came from. I literally had somebody say that to me. And I was

01:26:18.120 like, Poland? Germany? France? Iraq?

01:26:22.300 Well, Iraq, who had a huge Jewish population in Baghdad and now has four Jews left. And that's 0.87

01:26:27.360 actually true. I think there were four Jews in Baghdad. But it is a wild thing that the 1.00

01:26:31.500 transformation has not been that the left has always been this way. The transformation is within

01:26:37.000 the left of people who went from a kind of left-wing vision of what Israel should be to the default

01:26:43.940 position on the left, the actual left, not the sort of liberal kind of Democrat, that Israel is a

01:26:51.720 problem for even existing. And if we could go back to 1948 and eliminate the only Jewish state, which was 0.93

01:26:57.860 a refuge from people who survived the Holocaust, they would pull that rug out from under them. 0.91

01:27:02.560 Just to bring it full circle, Charles Koch, he describes himself as a classical liberal,

01:27:08.360 which is not the same as a, quote, just liberal. Classical liberals are much more focused on just

01:27:14.960 getting the government out of our business, kind of like you guys, libertarians, and don't really

01:27:19.920 want a lot of social engineering and don't want a lot of taxes. And that's Charles Koch, too,

01:27:24.160 and believes in the free market, doesn't want a lot of intervention on, quote, fair trade as

01:27:29.200 opposed to free trade. And then liberals are the people we all grew up surrounded by.

01:27:33.240 Like liberals, they used to be, you know, pro-choice and pro-gay marriage and pro-protecting

01:27:39.840 the environment, but they weren't insane. They weren't trying to divide us by skin color and

01:27:45.000 pretending men can be women and saying the earth is going to be over in two years unless we

01:27:50.660 stop eating cows. I mean, it's maybe some of them did, but that's a little radical for them,

01:27:55.540 too. And I do think there's still some normie liberals out there who listen to this show.

01:28:00.420 I think I have a fair amount of these people who listen to us. We're tolerable to them.

01:28:03.980 And they are looking for a place to land. They're politically homeless because,

01:28:07.900 like Nate Silver is saying, they see nothing. They have nothing in common with these

01:28:12.880 woke leftist progressives who are now getting a seat at the table inside the White House.

01:28:18.720 All right, I take a quick break and we come back. I've been dying to get you guys to react.

01:28:21.980 This is a week old now, but I really wanted to get you to react to what happened in San Francisco

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01:29:34.860 Guys, I'm sure you saw this. Our American company leaders went out to San Francisco when President

01:29:47.260 Xi Jinping from China was here and gave him a standing ovation. They look like good little

01:29:55.680 communists as they stood and clapped for the man now committing a genocide against Muslims in China.

01:30:04.860 Watch this. Oh, my God. Didn't anyone stop to think to themselves, not a good look, not a good

01:30:21.740 look. You know, the forced sterilization of Muslims in China. I'm really not going to stand and applaud

01:30:28.220 the guy who's doing that. But among others, we had Tim Cook of Apple, Pfizer CEO, FedEx CEO,

01:30:34.440 Salesforce CEO. And then there was the BlackRock CEO. Now, all of these corporate leaders, all of

01:30:40.500 them were very vocal after George Floyd about what a racist country America is, how disgusting America

01:30:47.560 is because of our inherent racism, including, of course, most especially the BlackRock CEO, Larry

01:30:53.880 Fink, who he sent out a message, the murders of Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd. Ready for it?

01:31:01.600 And the incident in Central Park. Hello, Camille. Camille Foster is the one who broke the real,

01:31:07.260 the true story of Central Park, Karen, which is not a nice name, but that's how people know her.

01:31:12.540 Show how much work we have to do to build a stronger, more equal and safer society.

01:31:16.380 These events are symptoms of a deep and longstanding problem in our society and must be addressed

01:31:20.700 on both a personal and systemic level. We're the problem. That guy, he was in the middle doing this.

01:31:26.380 For the guy committing the genocide of Muslims, these CEOs are disgusting hypocrites. I never

01:31:34.460 want to hear their lectures about the United States again.

01:31:37.760 Yes.

01:31:39.160 Yes. Yeah. Everyone can just say yes to that.

01:31:42.380 Camille, were you in the room there?

01:31:44.040 I was not.

01:31:44.700 I was not in the room.

01:31:46.240 You were probably clapping for the Maoists. 0.83

01:31:49.180 I certainly had my commute disrupted. I was not there. I wouldn't have been standing and applauding.

01:31:54.800 I find it, I mean, there's so many reasons to dislike Xi, but for these people in particular,

01:32:01.600 I mean, they've been moaning about the fact that the Chinese have been breaking into their companies,

01:32:07.820 stealing their trade secrets, ripping off their technology for months and months. It was just

01:32:12.420 this past October that the Five Eyes were getting together. And the sole thing that they were

01:32:17.700 talking about publicly was Chinese misconduct in the kind of corporate espionage that's taking

01:32:23.740 place, this theft that is happening at an unmitigated pace. And it is amazing to see these

01:32:29.720 technology companies that have in many instances been directly affected by this stuff still having

01:32:35.220 to applaud for this man in that context, because they're so worried about their own bottom line,

01:32:41.420 that particular lucrative market in China, which they all hope to get a piece of.

01:32:46.480 But imagine doing that. Imagine building factories and investing with the expectation

01:32:50.720 that this is going to work out well for you. It probably won't in the long run.

01:32:55.640 So it is interesting the way corporate courage works, where you can speak out boldly

01:32:59.880 on social issues domestically, when it's completely safe for you. But when there's actually some

01:33:05.300 risk associated with it, and when there are some real stakes, it's unquestionably. You're

01:33:12.040 unwilling to say anything. You stand and applaud.

01:33:14.860 It's not even a one-way street. People tend to think, oh, they don't want to lose out

01:33:18.800 on their market share. And I don't. I think it was Milton Friedman who said the greatest enemy of

01:33:23.900 capitalism are capitalists, because they want to disrupt markets for their own benefit.

01:33:29.560 But I would say this, that the Chinese actually need these companies, too. It's not as if you

01:33:36.500 don't have any leverage in these matters. And we talk endlessly, and these corporate CEOs talk

01:33:42.120 endlessly about, as you point out, Megan, historic racism of the United States. It is a single-party

01:33:49.300 rule in China. And that is this very same party who gave us the Great Leap Forward in the Cultural

01:33:56.540 Revolution, where over 100 million people died. So if you want to look at a country's horrible past,

01:34:02.580 not even their present, which is incredibly horrible, too. And to say that, well, you know,

01:34:07.920 this is fine. There have been a number of books that came out. I'm actually reading one right now.

01:34:11.300 So it actually is why I'm bringing this up about Hollywood.

01:34:15.300 What are you reading?

01:34:15.700 I'm reading a book by a really interesting historian named Thomas Doherty. And it's called

01:34:20.700 Hitler in Hollywood. And it's about how all the studios basically had, I mean, they're all owned 0.92

01:34:26.460 and run by Jewish guys, like the Warners and the Mayors, Louis B. Mayer, et cetera. But they had to

01:34:31.500 compromise in certain ways, because Germany was a big market. And like, they wanted to sell their films

01:34:37.180 in Germany. And there was big debate about whether we should do films that even attack Adolf Hitler.

01:34:43.660 So this is like an old problem. But we see that and we look back on it and say, oh, my God,

01:34:49.360 what's coming back? But right in our midst, you have all of these CEOs clapping like demented

01:34:55.600 seals in California for the great leader.

01:34:59.600 I'm going to tell you right now, I don't care what event I'm at. Yes, sit down. I could never,

01:35:03.680 would never be on my feet cheering for that man. It's an absurdity. They embarrass themselves

01:35:09.200 and their companies and their country. I just want to point out for the record, however,

01:35:14.540 I am not reading anything quite that highbrow, but I am enjoying my current book, which is

01:35:18.200 the autobiography of Barbra Streisand. Oh, wow. Okay. She reads it herself. I'm listening to the audio.

01:35:26.800 And like, it's one of those situations, guys, where, you know, I know that her politics and

01:35:30.160 mine are very, very different. She said she's going to leave the country if Trump gets reelected,

01:35:33.360 all that stuff. Right. But she's so I don't care. I admire her and I respect what she's achieved.

01:35:40.280 And she's one of those people. She's got like the EGOT, you know, the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar

01:35:45.200 and the Tony and just her life. Do you know that for most of her childhood, she had no idea she could

01:35:50.100 sing. She just wanted to be an actress. That's all. And it wasn't until sort of late into her teens

01:35:55.220 that she realized, oh, people seem to enjoy my singing. Maybe I could do some of that.

01:35:58.520 Anyway, it's fascinating so far. And I like the way she reads it to all sorts of interesting

01:36:03.740 stories about people like Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty and Marlon Brando. Anyway,

01:36:08.400 that's my recommendation, guys. A pleasure. See you over on Substack. And thanks to all of you for

01:36:14.060 listening. I'll be back on Thursday. Day off tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly

01:36:19.360 show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:36:28.520 I'll be back on Thursday.

The Megyn Kelly Show - November 28, 2023

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