The Megyn Kelly Show - AOC Pretends to Get Handcuffed, and Border Chaos, with Dan Abrams, Ali Bradley, and Sasha Stone ｜ Ep. 361

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.440 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.580 We begin today with a cringeworthy display outside the U.S. Supreme Court by members of the so-called squad.

00:00:21.800 Have you heard about this?

00:00:22.760 17 lawmakers among those arrested at an abortion rally, and that indeed appeared to be the point,

00:00:28.600 because they blocked traffic, which is not lawful.

00:00:32.180 But what caught everyone's attention was the phony display by squad members AOC and Ilhan Omar.

00:00:38.160 The two women pretending, it's amazing, Capitol Police had handcuffed them. 0.69

00:00:44.620 For the listening audience, I'll describe what we're seeing on this video.

00:00:48.440 AOC can be seen with her hands behind her back, being led away by police. 1.00

00:00:53.600 But at one point, she breaks roll.

00:00:55.820 She forgets about her role as handcuffed maiden and her imaginary cuffs and raises her arm. 0.98

00:01:03.820 Not to be outdone, fellow squad woman, Congresswoman Omar, and really you cannot make this up,

00:01:10.360 walks by herself with her fake cuffs.

00:01:13.540 You have to see it.

00:01:14.480 Come watch us on YouTube.

00:01:15.600 She's walking by herself with her fake cuffs.

00:01:18.460 No police officer anywhere near her.

00:01:20.880 And then she, too, forgets about her imaginary handcuffs and raises her hand.

00:01:26.400 You can't.

00:01:27.740 I love it.

00:01:29.140 Then she even proceeds to tweet video evidence of herself pretending to be cuffed.

00:01:37.040 Remember, these are women who have made it their mission to demonize law enforcement. 1.00

00:01:41.120 Next, we'll be hearing about how the police were unnecessarily rough and putting on the handcuffs.

00:01:46.900 That is until they feel threatened and then they demand that you and I pay for their security at every turn.

00:01:51.760 We're going to get to all of this and much, much more with my first guest today.

00:01:55.180 Dan Abrams is a very busy guy with his own show right here on Sirius XM and various hosting gigs on TV, not to mention an online empire.

00:02:03.300 But today he's here to talk about something exciting that you're going to be happy about.

00:02:08.240 And that is the resurrection of his real time, hugely successful police series used to be known as Live PD.

00:02:16.640 Now it's been rebranded as On Patrol Live, which debuts this weekend on Reels.

00:02:27.620 Dan, welcome back.

00:02:28.780 How are you doing?

00:02:29.860 Nice and great to be back with you.

00:02:31.820 I love it.

00:02:32.660 I love the fake fake.

00:02:35.540 Now, how would you guys on Live PD or On Patrol cover the police behavior in this case?

00:02:42.760 Well, what you'd probably get is you'd get an officer, right, talking to camera.

00:02:46.720 What happens is the officers will then sort of speak to the camera about what just happened.

00:02:51.600 Right.

00:02:51.960 And you probably would have an officer saying, you know, we were moving them.

00:02:56.660 And I don't know, they looked like they were and, you know, we were we were just pushing them out of the out of the way.

00:03:07.620 And I don't know why they had their hands behind their back.

00:03:10.340 And, you know, and so they would be talking to camera sort of in this very monotone way that police tend to do, explaining exactly what what did and didn't happen there.

00:03:20.340 But it's unbelievable.

00:03:22.220 It's like, do they not know the magic of videotape will show whether you have the cuffs on you or they're just only planning on shots from afar that might just capture the arms backward and the wrist cross.

00:03:34.740 Like, we can see that there are no handcuffs.

00:03:37.120 It's it's ridiculous.

00:03:38.160 But, you know, I have to say that when I first saw this, right, like the first time I heard about the protests, I didn't even know where they were.

00:03:44.660 Right. And I got nervous that they were actually at the justices homes.

00:03:49.200 And and so I have been much more concerned about protests at the justices homes than I am about a people who are protesting at the court.

00:03:57.440 Right. Meaning go for you want to protest at the Supreme Court.

00:04:00.980 That's the place you should be doing it.

00:04:02.480 You want to block traffic. You're going to get arrested.

00:04:05.780 OK, that all happens there.

00:04:08.420 I've been much more concerned about the protests at the justices homes, which I think is just downright dangerous.

00:04:14.220 Yeah, same. And they can protest us at the Supreme Court all they want. 0.99

00:04:18.220 There is a law against blocking traffic.

00:04:19.860 That's why the police got involved in the police.

00:04:21.520 Tweeted out repeatedly, you're blocking traffic.

00:04:24.380 Our policy is they want who you are.

00:04:25.820 You get they want to get arrested and then you get they want to get arrested.

00:04:28.760 Oh, yeah. They put it in writing.

00:04:29.880 They put they announced it before the fact.

00:04:32.240 I'll find it. But they made no doubt about it.

00:04:34.920 This is part of the branding exercise is is is getting arrested.

00:04:39.180 And and I say that having making no judgment on the cause.

00:04:43.440 Right. I'm talking about the method.

00:04:45.520 The method that's being used here.

00:04:47.460 Right. And is it effective?

00:04:49.500 Right. And and it just doesn't seem to me to be particularly effective.

00:04:54.060 Right. And that's the question I think should be asked.

00:04:57.800 Right. Is if you care about abortion rights or whatever the issue is that that she's protesting on, ask yourself, is this effective?

00:05:06.360 Is this working? Right.

00:05:08.480 And the answer has to be with regard to these sort of orchestrated arrests.

00:05:14.300 Yes. Certainly, I think, again, the protests at the homes of the justices, that the impact isn't there that you would hope that it would have the the one congresswoman, Ilan Omar.

00:05:26.240 She's a Democrat from Minnesota. Her office said in a press release ahead of the demonstration, quote, these types of protests have led to arrests of lawmakers in the past.

00:05:35.740 Like they're titillating people with it.

00:05:38.180 They're trying to say, tune in to see if she'll get arrested.

00:05:41.620 And then the police were so respectful and non confrontational.

00:05:46.340 They had to make up the drama with the fake cuffs.

00:05:49.100 One reporter at the scene, Jennifer Shutt of States Newsroom, reports that the handcuffs, that there were no handcuffs, there were no zip ties, that they were quietly and politely brought to a shaded area to be processed.

00:06:04.220 There was music in the background.

00:06:05.940 One of the officers told all those detained that they were getting them all water.

00:06:10.260 They were chatting it up and that it had turned into something of a media row with several interviews happening at once with the press like they want us to believe they're basically George Floyd out there encountering Derek Chauvin.

00:06:22.980 Well, you know, one of the things that always sort of irks me, and this is sort of related, is you sometimes see protests right going on.

00:06:31.440 I'm not saying in this particular example, but you'll see 10 people at a, quote, protest, right?

00:06:37.880 And they'll say there were protests outside the courthouse today.

00:06:40.820 And there are literally 10 people in a circle and 15 to 50 members of the media there, right?

00:06:48.520 Surrounding these 10 people, 10 people with signs being held up because they announced they were going to hold a protest.

00:06:54.640 And almost no one shows up except for the media, right?

00:06:58.020 And then you see on the air just the focus on the 10 people there, right?

00:07:02.660 And it says, protest today outside the courthouse.

00:07:05.200 And it's like, no, there weren't protests.

00:07:07.360 There were 10 people with signs who told everyone that they were going to go there.

00:07:11.760 It's like somebody's knitting club.

00:07:13.580 Yeah.

00:07:14.880 But I will say, like you, I feel differently when it's outside of Justice Kavanaugh's house, you know, 10, 12.

00:07:21.300 That's different.

00:07:22.200 It's different.

00:07:22.760 It's different.

00:07:23.480 And it's, you know, I've been very concerned about the protests and the doxing of the justices, et cetera, that has been going on outside their homes.

00:07:34.760 Which is why, you know, I'm inclined to stay when it comes to what's happening at the Supreme Court.

00:07:40.200 Go for it, right?

00:07:41.420 Cause a mess over there.

00:07:43.440 That's your spot.

00:07:44.040 Make all sorts of problems you want to make at the Supreme Court.

00:07:46.860 Just don't go to their homes. 0.96

00:07:48.380 Don't attack them at restaurants, et cetera.

00:07:50.420 What did you make of the AOC bit?

00:07:53.060 Because she was very defensive of protests, as she has been all along, of the justices and had no problem with Justice Kavanaugh being harassed right out of Morton's Steakhouse.

00:08:03.720 And, you know, kind of sent out a tweet saying, oh, boo hoo.

00:08:06.420 He didn't get to have his dessert.

00:08:07.700 Spare me.

00:08:08.280 I don't care.

00:08:08.920 And then seemed very upset when she was on Capitol Hill and some loser heckled her and called her a big booty Latina and got very mad at the Capitol Hill police for not stopping him.

00:08:21.500 They can't stop him.

00:08:22.260 That's not nice, but it's free speech.

00:08:24.140 So, you know, that kind of protest.

00:08:26.260 Oh, no, the cops need to get involved.

00:08:28.060 Justice Kavanaugh at his home or at Morton's.

00:08:30.400 Fair game.

00:08:31.560 I get very, very nervous about lawmakers who encourage people.

00:08:37.960 Maxine Waters did it.

00:08:39.800 Encourage people in 2018 to sort of go up, approach, confront these people in private settings.

00:08:47.960 And the reason is because no matter where you are on the on the on the political spectrum, we all agree that there are real mental health issues in this country.

00:08:58.060 And we're seeing that day after day after day.

00:09:00.420 And I get very concerned about people who are encouraging folks to approach these leaders in their private lives because of what may happen.

00:09:14.020 And I don't want to be covering after the fact what happened to one of these people where we look back and we say, well, this is a guy who was consuming this kind of media and was listening to people saying that it's OK to go and approach people in public places, et cetera.

00:09:34.660 Again, there's a place for this stuff to happen.

00:09:37.500 You want to protest?

00:09:38.640 Go to the Supreme Court.

00:09:40.200 You want to protest?

00:09:41.300 Go to a place of employment.

00:09:42.460 The minute.

00:09:43.660 And again, it's not even just the justices.

00:09:45.460 Think about the neighbors and others in private areas.

00:09:50.260 The children who are there.

00:09:51.340 There's a reason that regardless of the constitutionality, there's a reason these laws were put on the books against this stuff at private homes.

00:09:59.320 And it's because it can be just downright dangerous.

00:10:02.240 And and it makes me very nervous.

00:10:04.280 Twitter finally suspended the account of Ruth sent us, which is the one that had published the justices home addresses and encouraged people to go protest.

00:10:14.160 There took them two months.

00:10:15.880 I think it was the Daily Caller might have been the Daily Wire.

00:10:18.060 Forgive me.

00:10:18.420 One of those two reached out and said, why did it take you two months to suspend this account, which, you know, is stirring up all sorts of trouble for these justices?

00:10:27.020 No response.

00:10:28.200 You know, they're very quick to suspend people like Jordan Peterson, who made a not nice comment about Elliot Page, formerly Ellen Page, but really slow to shut down publication of the justices home addresses housing their children.

00:10:41.720 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about the timing, but I completely agree that when you are doxing the justices and putting their home addresses and information out there, that that that's a real it's a real concern and it should be a concern to to everyone when that happens.

00:11:06.540 What do you what do you make of the Supreme Court leaker? Where's the Supreme Court leaker, Dan?

00:11:12.060 You're you're a lawyer. Yeah, that's a famous, famous First Amendment lawyer.

00:11:16.300 Love Floyd. So you've been connected to the law and the justices and you know how this game works from, you know, your time in the cradle.

00:11:23.400 So where is the Supreme Court leaker?

00:11:26.800 Yeah, I mean, look, you know, they obviously haven't found the person. Right.

00:11:31.240 We don't know exactly sort of how much of an investigation has gone on.

00:11:35.320 And I'll bet there has been one. I mean, they were really upset about this.

00:11:40.300 I mean, the justices, et cetera. You know, the fundamental question comes down to this.

00:11:45.160 Right. It was obviously an activist on one side or the other.

00:11:50.360 And by the way, I happen to think that there are legitimate arguments on both sides for why someone would have wanted this out.

00:11:56.780 But it's what the fundamental question that has to be asked is, was it someone who had access to the opinion or was it someone peripheral who happened by accident to get access to it?

00:12:09.800 Right. And and if it was someone who did it on purpose, someone who was one of the clerks, someone who worked at the court, we do need to know that.

00:12:18.080 I mean, that is dangerous business. You know, the other possibility is person goes to their house.

00:12:24.500 Someone at the house happens to see opinion there and, you know, makes it public.

00:12:31.880 I think it's a less likely scenario. But that's the key question, because forget about what happened in the past.

00:12:38.540 I'm concerned about what happens in the future. And it really does so much to undermine the faith in the court.

00:12:45.520 And I say this all the time. I don't care what your view is of the Supreme Court.

00:12:50.340 I don't care if you disagree with opinions, if you agree with them.

00:12:55.620 There are ways to criticize opinions of the court without trying to completely delegitimize the court.

00:13:01.800 We need a court that is going to make the final calls, even if you totally disagree with a lot of them.

00:13:10.480 But, you know, you see sometimes the court, you know, will come down with an opinion recently every once in a while with an opinion that liberals may like.

00:13:20.620 And they'll say, well, you know, in this case, OK, it's it's like you don't get to pick and choose when the court gets to be legitimized.

00:13:28.340 Yes. Criticize the court. Yes. Explain why you disagree with it. Yes. Explain why you think the ruling is disingenuous.

00:13:36.480 No, don't suggest that the entire court is illegitimate, is illegitimate because that's dangerous.

00:13:43.620 Here's a question for you. Is there any chance they know who it is?

00:13:48.460 The marshal has discovered who it is and it's being covered up because, for example, it's a justice.

00:13:56.900 It's and Chief Justice Roberts doesn't want that getting out.

00:14:00.240 I mean, is there any chance something that nefarious could be afoot?

00:14:04.420 You know, it's funny before you before you finished your sentence, I was going to say the only kind of person that could happen for would be one of the justices.

00:14:11.700 And then you said if it were one of the justices.

00:14:14.380 Because, you know, Roberts is so concerned about the integrity of the court, you know, an institutionalist, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:19.340 But it would get out. It would get out. There's just no way you can. It's too big a secret. Right.

00:14:26.420 Meaning meaning that in this day and age, keeping that secret.

00:14:31.920 Wow. That would be astonishing to suggest that the Chief Justice knew about it.

00:14:38.900 I mean, you know, again, some people say, well, maybe it was the Chief Justice himself, you know, but I don't think it was one of the justices.

00:14:45.480 I think that there's too much risk. And I think that that even if one of the only way a justice could do it.

00:14:52.520 Right. I'm just like thinking it out. They'd have to do it directly. Right.

00:14:58.420 It couldn't be through somebody else. Right. Because we all know when you hire a hitman, they always get caught because the hiring process always gets exposed. Right.

00:15:07.440 So in a case like this, you can't like have someone else do it.

00:15:11.340 If it was one of the justices, they would have had to have done it directly.

00:15:15.860 And I just think it's so far fetched to to believe that.

00:15:20.700 And I guess I probably don't want to believe it either.

00:15:23.660 It's just so strange that we don't know yet. It seems to me a rather simple investment.

00:15:29.420 You know, you get the cell phone, you get the email, you get them to sign the sworn statement, get it, get all the clerks and everybody with access to sign his foreign statement.

00:15:37.400 And, you know, if a if somebody won't do it, that's, you know, a red flag.

00:15:43.500 And B, if they all do it and then you keep digging and you find out the person's done it and you've got them, you know, you've got them on a crime.

00:15:51.660 But it just seems to me that like, yeah, I've been saying my my pal Phil Houston, who wrote Spy the Lie, he was at the CIA for 25 years.

00:15:58.020 He could figure this out in a day. Like I have I don't have that much faith in the U.S.

00:16:02.520 Marshall running the clerk.

00:16:04.080 I don't know. I don't know. It's not I don't think it's quite I guess I don't think it's as easy as as you do, meaning that you've got enough people who have access to it.

00:16:11.940 That if they take it and and and they were unprepared for something like this to happen.

00:16:17.060 Right. Meaning in terms of like keeping track of everything, I think before this happened, there wasn't a particularly effective system of tracking exactly who would have access.

00:16:30.060 So I think there were enough people. Oh, no, it's Dan. It's like the line from Animal House.

00:16:34.060 You have to up. You trusted us.

00:16:37.680 But I think that there are enough people that if they take it outside of their, you know, the the the work, you know, their work phone, their work, email, et cetera, that there's certainly a way to, you know, to go hand deliver something like this.

00:16:53.180 And and and not get caught. I mean, look, think about how long it took us to find out who Deep Throat was.

00:16:59.860 You would think that. But yeah, but you have a collectible pool of suspects.

00:17:05.980 And so that's why you need an expert like a like a professional lie detector like Bill to come in and he can see your body language.

00:17:12.720 He knows like right now I can tell you're telling me the truth because you're not doing any of the things.

00:17:16.500 No hands above the midline, no touching your face, in particular, your nose, your ears.

00:17:21.160 You're not repeating the question. You're not engaging in convincing behavior.

00:17:25.040 There are all sorts of things that a true expert can use to tell whether you are lying and they can do it across cultures.

00:17:32.060 They can do it with professional spies. They can do it with terrorists.

00:17:35.600 So they could certainly do it with these Supreme Court clerks who are Ivy, ivory tower types. 0.89

00:17:40.780 I mean, there's no way they could fool Phil.

00:17:42.740 I just feel like they're phoning it in and there must be a reason they're phoning it in.

00:17:46.600 And that's why I'm getting slightly conspiratorial.

00:17:49.320 What does the marshal know?

00:17:50.440 Oh, when did she know?

00:17:52.040 All right, let's move on to you and the resurrection of the hottest show on cable.

00:17:58.440 You and I used to talk about this because we're friends about how your your live PD was crushing

00:18:03.960 like the primetime lineups of Fox, CNN, MSNB.

00:18:09.140 It was crazy how this thing took off.

00:18:11.380 And just for people who didn't watch it, tell us what it was before we get to its demise and its resurrection.

00:18:16.700 So it was a show that followed police in real time, numerous departments around the country with multiple cameras in each city and bouncing between departments, depending on what was happening.

00:18:31.780 There would be in-studio analysis from two former police officers, one former, one current at the time, providing perspective on what they were doing and why they were doing it, etc.

00:18:44.760 And look, the show was a massive, a massive hit, I think, for a number of reasons that a I think people are interested in policing.

00:18:54.200 But B, I think that there was also the uncertainty, the same way that police officers are uncertain about what happens next, right?

00:19:04.160 And when you're a police officer, you don't know what's going to happen when you pull over a vehicle.

00:19:08.700 You get a 911 call about a suspect who is, you know, waving a gun.

00:19:16.040 Very often, that initial call doesn't provide you with the perspective.

00:19:21.360 So you arrive at a scene pretty uncertain as to who's where and what's happening, etc.

00:19:26.340 And that's what this show, what Live PD showed in the past and what this new show will show,

00:19:33.200 which is being able to see it from the perspective of a police officer in real time.

00:19:38.700 Now, you have somewhat of a delay just to be responsible and make sure you're not showing very graphic,

00:19:44.720 something that, you know, people shouldn't have in their homes and sitting there watching with kids, what have you.

00:19:49.800 But other than that, people are there.

00:19:51.720 They're sort of there live on the scene watching the cops a few minutes after it happens as it happens.

00:19:57.700 Right. So I'm I'm shooting it in real time, meaning as the host, etc., we're doing it live as if it's live.

00:20:04.880 There is a delay, as you point out, to ensure, for example, there isn't an undercover cop who's in the shot or a child

00:20:12.340 or someone makes some incredibly libelous allegation about, you know, somebody else without any proof, etc.

00:20:19.540 Those are all the sorts of things that we need to have a delay for.

00:20:23.280 But as you point out, it's just a few minute delay.

00:20:25.420 But I'm not really impacted by it as the host because I'm still filming it in in real time.

00:20:32.500 Yeah. OK, so you're it was hugely successful.

00:20:35.200 People bonded with it. They they loved the show Cops.

00:20:37.560 They loved the show Live PD.

00:20:39.260 There's obviously a huge audience for it.

00:20:41.240 And both of those shows, Cops and Live PD, which is on A&E, got canceled despite being the number one show on A&E

00:20:49.380 and many times number one in cable canceled at the height of its popularity.

00:20:54.920 There was no controversy about it.

00:20:56.560 There was one story. They were like, oh, you know, we can get into the one cop misbehavior.

00:21:01.480 Um, but really, it wasn't immersed in a controversy at all.

00:21:05.680 It was in the wake of the George Floyd death and the shitstorm that rang down on police officers.

00:21:13.320 And it was decided by the woke left.

00:21:16.260 You can't have a show that they I think they called it copaganda. 0.90

00:21:20.440 That's in any way they viewed it as glorifying police.

00:21:24.900 Yeah. No, look, there was a real movement.

00:21:28.260 And it wasn't just, as you know, in terms of police shows, right?

00:21:31.960 It was even procedurals on TV.

00:21:34.400 Um, people didn't want TV shows, movies, um, to in any way, quote unquote, glorify police.

00:21:41.780 That's part of the problem in our society.

00:21:45.100 And, you know, look where we are today.

00:21:48.260 Cops have been demonized, um, across the country.

00:21:51.520 We are facing a real crisis with police departments around the country, not having enough cops.

00:21:58.260 Uh, that's because they're retiring.

00:22:00.660 They're having problems with recruiting.

00:22:02.880 Why?

00:22:04.000 Well, high crime is sure part of it.

00:22:06.200 But part of it is the fact that police officers just aren't being appreciated for what they do every day.

00:22:11.340 You know, people forget.

00:22:13.020 A lot of people who don't cover police have this sense of cops being out there with their guns.

00:22:17.260 The vast majority of police officers in this country never fire their weapon in the line of duty ever, ever in their entire careers.

00:22:27.940 Right.

00:22:28.080 So, now, let's talk about what everyone else, what the majority of police officers do every day in this country.

00:22:38.560 And that's what this show, On Patrol Live, is showing people.

00:22:43.620 It's going to be showing what it's like to be a police officer in a variety of different kinds of departments.

00:22:49.440 We've got city police departments like Patterson, New Jersey.

00:22:52.200 We've got sheriff's departments like Richland County, South Carolina, where, throughout the country, in eight departments, bouncing between them.

00:22:59.700 But, most importantly, it allows you to see it through the lens of an officer.

00:23:03.560 And, by the way, there may be things that people see on the show where they watch it and they say, I disagree.

00:23:08.560 I don't think a police officer should have done that.

00:23:10.000 Okay.

00:23:10.880 That's for them to decide.

00:23:13.140 But it is really important, I think, in providing perspective on what it's like to be a police officer in America.

00:23:20.440 As I saw Live PD, and I assume On Patrol will be the same, there was no agenda.

00:23:24.900 There was no pro-cop or anti-cop.

00:23:27.320 It was like, here's what cops do.

00:23:29.220 Watch this.

00:23:30.580 It's up to the viewer to make up his or her own mind about whether it's good or bad.

00:23:34.720 Totally right.

00:23:35.400 And that is certainly going to be the case on Patrol Live, is we're there to chronicle it, we're there to show you what's happening, and then we're there to provide some perspective on, you know, what's happening and why it's happening.

00:23:51.060 And, again, yeah, there'll be people who watch it and say, oh, you know, that cop shouldn't have done that.

00:23:57.060 I saw that on On Patrol Live.

00:23:58.520 Okay.

00:23:59.520 Fair enough.

00:24:00.780 But that should be a reason to support the show.

00:24:03.760 Meaning, people support body cams.

00:24:07.460 I support body cams.

00:24:09.060 People on both sides seem to support body cams.

00:24:11.340 Body cams help protect officers as well.

00:24:14.900 And so, I think part of the beauty of body cams is it allows people to see it after the fact.

00:24:21.900 This just allows you to see it in real time as it's happening.

00:24:25.820 So, how hard was it to get a carrier?

00:24:29.940 It's going on reels, R-E-E-L-Z. 0.99

00:24:33.760 And people can check their cable provider to see what channel that is for you.

00:24:37.560 But it's got a little less distribution than A&E.

00:24:41.640 But I would think people would have been clamoring to resurrect this show, like the cable providers or cable stations.

00:24:47.780 So, how hard was it to find a taker?

00:24:49.340 So, I will say that I was approached by a number of networks about the show.

00:24:54.620 And in some cases, the folks who made the decisions were too woke to allow it on the air.

00:25:05.120 That was the problem in certain times.

00:25:07.380 But with other places, it was actually the logistical issue, which is that this show is a big investment.

00:25:13.480 And I don't just mean it financially.

00:25:15.700 I mean, this community who has followed Live PD and now, I hope, will come with us on Patrol Live is really invested in what we're doing.

00:25:27.120 And we didn't want a partner who was going to say, oh, you know what?

00:25:30.520 We'll sign up for eight episodes or 10 episodes.

00:25:33.420 And then we'll see how it does in the ratings.

00:25:35.480 We're very confident it's going to rate well.

00:25:37.480 But we wanted a network who was really all in, who was going to say, let's do this together.

00:25:43.640 Let's not go in halfway on this thing.

00:25:46.880 And Reels was that network.

00:25:48.780 It's privately owned by Hubbard Communications.

00:25:51.500 They don't care if people don't like it.

00:25:54.440 And they're in.

00:25:56.320 And so, that's what we were really looking for in a partner and ended up finding it with Reels.

00:26:03.620 And it's been pretty cool.

00:26:04.920 I have to say on social media, all these people who didn't know about Reels before suddenly saying, all right, how do I get it?

00:26:11.820 I got to sign up for Sling or Philo and have it added.

00:26:15.500 No, it is.

00:26:15.920 It is in basic cable throughout the country in most major markets.

00:26:20.360 But as you point out, not quite as widely distributed as some others.

00:26:23.780 But now a lot of people are looking for it because that community is so invested in the show.

00:26:28.560 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:29.680 I mean, I know it's going to be a hit and it's probably going to help Reels grow and get more distribution, which is good.

00:26:34.300 And then hopefully next time around, there'll be a huge bidding war.

00:26:37.460 And Dan Abrams, the king of all media, will just add it to the top of his huge already building Sunday.

00:26:43.840 Now, one of the things that you mentioned is look what's happened with police, you know, and the rising crime rates and the depression of cops.

00:26:50.060 And there was just a piece on Fox News dot com.

00:26:52.800 Actually, it's there right now about the number of police who have committed suicide over this past year.

00:26:57.320 Three Chicago cops just committed suicide in July alone.

00:27:01.260 So this this whole narrative about the cops has been very damaging in profound ways.

00:27:06.720 But the crime rate has been profoundly damaging to communities as well, communities of color and and none.

00:27:14.060 And there was news over the past couple of weeks in your city and until recently mine, New York, about this bodega worker.

00:27:22.680 You know, you go to New York City, you see these guys on the corner.

00:27:25.240 They sell the gum.

00:27:26.060 They sell the soda.

00:27:26.900 They sell a water, a magazine.

00:27:28.140 That's a bodega.

00:27:29.940 And this one worker, Jose Alba, got into this confrontation with this a woman who was trying to buy, I think, I don't know, a snack for her 10 year old daughter.

00:27:40.540 Turned out the woman didn't have the money. 1.00

00:27:42.540 Jose, that sounds like not entirely politely, pulled the snack out of the daughter's hands.

00:27:48.840 And, you know, they didn't have the money.

00:27:50.980 So he pulled it out and the woman started threatening him, saying, my boyfriend's coming back to F you up. 1.00

00:27:55.660 Lo and behold, the boyfriend came back.

00:27:57.300 His name was Austin Simon.

00:28:00.440 And the worker, Jose Alba, said, Papa, I don't want a problem.

00:28:05.400 I don't want a problem, Papa.

00:28:06.760 But Papa, Austin Simon, got behind the employees only area.

00:28:12.000 We're showing it now.

00:28:13.740 And I mean, you can see he's towering over Jose Alba and threatened him, held him by the collar, pushed him up against the shelves, pushed him out of the employee area.

00:28:24.900 And Alba grabbed a knife from the shelf and stabbed Austin Simon, killing him.

00:28:29.900 So the D.A. in New York, who prosecutes no crime, Alvin Bragg, comparatively, decides this is one he wants to go after.

00:28:38.200 And he charged he charged Jose Alba.

00:28:40.300 And there was outrage in New York, including from Eric Adams, former cop, now new relatively mayor of New York.

00:28:48.480 And this week we learned that Alvin Bragg was pressured into dropping the charges against this bodega worker.

00:28:56.320 What do you make of it?

00:28:57.340 Because I think there's so much about our society built into the story.

00:29:00.660 First of all, let me add one more detail to that, which is that the D.A. asked for $500,000 bail to make sure that he wouldn't be released pending trial at Rikers Island, right?

00:29:16.620 So it starts even worse, which is that he's that they want to make sure that he stays in Rikers pending this quote unquote investigation, right?

00:29:28.660 Because now the D.A. puts out this statement making it sound like, well, we've concluded an investigation and we've concluded that we couldn't prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:29:37.860 OK, well, then what the heck were you doing insisting during your investigation that this guy had to stay behind bars at Rikers without bail?

00:29:48.420 I mean, if you want to tell me you're going to investigate, fair enough.

00:29:52.100 Investigate. You want to charge him? Charge him.

00:29:54.160 But at least let him be free in the meantime while you're doing your quote unquote investigation.

00:29:58.500 Yeah, this case was a real a real problem.

00:30:00.920 And the reason it was a problem is because we haven't learned anything new between the time that he was charged and the time that he decided not to charge him, right?

00:30:12.760 So, you know, you try and explain, like, what is the explanation for this?

00:30:17.700 Apart from he got pressured and shamed into into not doing it.

00:30:22.160 Is there any possible legal explanation?

00:30:25.060 I can't think of one because they've had the videos, which you just showed, which make it clear.

00:30:31.120 And there are multiple angles, by the way, too.

00:30:33.700 At one point, Alba is even being attacked by Simon's girlfriend at the same time.

00:30:41.880 So, you know, this poor guy is back there.

00:30:45.260 And as you know this from having been in New York, these bodegas are tiny.

00:30:49.020 They're tiny.

00:30:49.420 Like, I don't I don't even know that the video does it justice in how small an area this is, that this confrontation occurs.

00:30:58.820 And this guy doesn't have anywhere to run or to go.

00:31:02.440 And so the fact that he was immediately charged, it really we deserve some answers on why they were so aggressive against him, not just in the charge, but also in the bail in connection with this case.

00:31:17.200 And all I can say is, thank goodness they came to their senses.

00:31:20.100 Very, very good point.

00:31:21.220 I mean, it's the Alba, 61 and five foot seven.

00:31:25.420 And Simon was in his mid 30s and six feet tall.

00:31:28.900 And obviously the aggressor, as it turns out, Alvin was also on parole for assaulting a cop.

00:31:34.740 So there'd been a history there.

00:31:36.400 And Alvin Bragg, the D.A., not only does he not like prosecuting crimes like this, he doesn't like bail.

00:31:41.920 So that's the other thing, right, is is is Mr.

00:31:47.420 Mr. Noor Lobel suddenly demands this half a million dollars for this guy.

00:31:53.640 And so so, you know, we can say that all all is well that ends well.

00:31:57.200 OK, but this guy spent five nights at Rikers as a result of this.

00:32:02.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:03.360 And in this case, there was videotaped evidence.

00:32:05.240 Can you imagine what would have happened to Jose Alba if this were not on tape?

00:32:09.620 I shudder to think, listen, that's why we're in favor of tape and cameras and live now called on patrol live.

00:32:18.360 And you should support Dan and this program because they really got the short end for absolutely no reason.

00:32:24.240 And a very successful beloved show.

00:32:26.300 I'm so happy it's coming back.

00:32:27.720 Happy for you and happy for everyone involved, Dan.

00:32:29.880 All the best with it.

00:32:30.480 We'll check it out this weekend's Friday and Saturday night live on reels.

00:32:35.200 What time does it start?

00:32:36.060 9 p.m. to midnight, Fridays and Saturday nights.

00:32:40.480 Dan Abrams has no life.

00:32:42.400 He all he does is work.

00:32:44.020 That's it.

00:32:45.180 This is unfortunately true.

00:32:46.860 Yeah.

00:32:47.260 But somehow he has managed to create a beautiful family to talk to you soon, my friend.

00:32:52.080 Thank you, Megan.

00:32:52.780 Appreciate it.

00:32:53.960 All right.

00:32:54.220 Coming up next, we're going to dig into the crisis at the border with some real numbers and some videotape with someone who's been there.

00:33:02.020 Don't go away.

00:33:02.540 There is a crisis at the southern border.

00:33:10.420 You might not know it if you watch the mainstream media, but we have more illegal immigrants pouring in to the country this year than ever before.

00:33:18.780 So what is the administration doing about it?

00:33:21.160 This is a federal responsibility.

00:33:22.840 And how does it affect all Americans?

00:33:25.460 Allie Bradley is an independent journalist who has been covering it very closely, and she's been there and joins me now.

00:33:31.660 Welcome, Allie.

00:33:32.960 Hi, Megan.

00:33:33.620 Thanks so much for having me.

00:33:35.260 OK, so let's let's start with the numbers, because it took a while to get the June numbers.

00:33:40.320 May was a record bad month when it comes to illegal immigrants trying to sneak across the southern border and having these interactions with law enforcement.

00:33:48.700 And June wasn't quite as bad as May, but record setting setting in its own right.

00:33:54.480 So put it in perspective for us.

00:33:56.540 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:33:57.440 You said it took a little bit of time to get these numbers.

00:33:59.940 It always takes a little bit of time.

00:34:01.740 And all of my intel within CBP tell me that DHS has these numbers weeks in advance, that basically the media pushing on them is what gets these numbers released on top of a court case that that really makes them do it by the 15th of every month.

00:34:15.460 So it is something that we kind of have to push on every month to to get released.

00:34:19.640 But when you said these numbers are record setting, you're exactly right.

00:34:23.060 June put us over the threshold from last year.

00:34:26.060 The whole entire fiscal year of 2021, we saw about one point seven, three, four million encounters.

00:34:31.920 Now we still have three months left of reporting for fiscal year 22.

00:34:36.060 We're already at one point seven, four, six million.

00:34:39.220 That means it's about eleven thousand more than all of last year.

00:34:43.060 So we still have some time, like you said.

00:34:45.480 And it is very problematic right now because the resources just aren't there.

00:34:49.980 And you look at how many people they returned under Title 42 last year and you compare that with this year.

00:34:55.580 There's a stark contrast there as well.

00:34:57.840 While we have surpassed last year's numbers, we've sent substantially less back under Title 42.

00:35:03.320 We're talking to the tune of about two hundred and fifteen thousand people less than what we sent back under the health code last year.

00:35:10.520 Well, what does that mean to to people?

00:35:11.980 And Title 42 is the title that allows you to say we're not listening to any asylum or other claims.

00:35:17.460 Get out. It's a covid emergency.

00:35:19.620 So the Trump administration put it into place and we used it to great effect.

00:35:22.920 And then Joe Biden's administration was effectively forced by the courts to continue it for now.

00:35:27.100 But but what does that mean that we're not using it as much or as robustly?

00:35:31.920 Yeah. So the Biden administration has obviously come out openly saying that they're going to actively appeal Title 42.

00:35:37.520 We've seen this happen over over the course of the last few months under this administration.

00:35:41.380 But what it really breaks down to is we're seeing more people and we're seeing less people being returned.

00:35:47.140 Right. So under this administration, it's very clear what the idea is and what the I hate the word agenda.

00:35:52.940 But what the agenda is, because if you're if you're having more people come in and you're returning less and you're also detaining less and you're also going more lackadaisical on your approach when it comes to tracking people,

00:36:04.320 that has a really wide impact. And we're seeing it in New York.

00:36:08.180 We're seeing it in Washington, D.C., where the mayors are both, you know, calling out for additional resources,

00:36:14.100 which is just kind of a whole bag of hypocrisy because these border communities have been calling for help for two years.

00:36:21.000 They've been calling on the Biden administration to simply call this a crisis.

00:36:24.900 And that hasn't happened still to this day.

00:36:27.260 They haven't even deemed it a crisis. And so it's one of those things where these numbers all break down and you see it.

00:36:32.340 And how do you deny that it is a crisis?

00:36:35.260 I have to say and, you know, take this in the proper way.

00:36:39.260 I love what's happening in New York with the with the undocumented workers trying to come in because for so long, I mean, all my years on Fox,

00:36:48.080 this was a southern border problem. And everybody where I lived in New York could just be like, oh, it's America.

00:36:54.620 We accept immigrants, illegal, legal. What's the problem? 1.00

00:36:58.740 They take the jobs that nobody else wants. Right. That was that's the line up in the northeast.

00:37:03.800 And now people like Governor Greg Abbott of Texas are getting smart and shipping the immigrants, 1.00

00:37:10.280 the illegal immigrants to places like Washington, D.C. and New York City and saying, here's what the problem is. 0.71

00:37:16.560 You live with this and then you tell us what a non problem it is in New York City.

00:37:21.900 The homeless shelters right now are being overrun with asylum seeking, seeking migrants.

00:37:26.900 There are nearly three thousand who've arrived in just recent weeks, says the mayor, Eric Adams.

00:37:33.940 He's calling on President Biden to send additional federal resources immediately so that they can handle the overflow.

00:37:39.480 Saying if we don't get these resources, we're not going to be able to provide the level of support that anybody here deserves.

00:37:46.220 And he says, look, the burden included families arising, arriving on buses sent by the Texas and Arizona governments.

00:37:52.900 And he says, actually, the federal government sends some here, too.

00:37:56.720 And the feds haven't the White House didn't respond to a request for comment.

00:37:59.760 But, you know, we heard those stories early on by the Post and others about all these migrants being blown up to Westchester County, New York,

00:38:06.740 and then driven off somewhere. We didn't know where.

00:38:09.680 I think it's good that non southern border towns are having to experience this.

00:38:12.760 Well, and that's the idea, too. When I asked Governor Greg Abbott, what is the difference between you sending buses of migrants,

00:38:19.360 you know, to anywhere USA versus the NGOs doing it, both with taxpayer dollars?

00:38:24.860 What's the difference, really? And he said it's really to move these people out of the communities along the border

00:38:29.340 and to bring them to the back, you know, to the backyards and the doorsteps of Washington, D.C.

00:38:34.240 And I think it's really interesting that the mayor in New York brings up that these buses are coming from Texas and Arizona.

00:38:40.520 They're not. The buses are strictly going to Washington, D.C.

00:38:43.700 I talked to the governor's spokesperson last night.

00:38:46.560 They sent one hundred and thirty five buses, roughly about fifty one hundred people to Washington, D.C.

00:38:51.980 NGOs, they all post about how grateful they are for these free bus tickets,

00:38:56.440 because if they have a destination in the northeast, Washington, D.C. is close and it's a good option.

00:39:01.540 So they voluntarily get on this bus, which Muriel Bowser had said that they were being tricked into.

00:39:06.840 But they're voluntarily getting on these buses. They get asked.

00:39:09.960 They aren't forced on any buses from what these NGOs tell me.

00:39:13.140 And they literally post on their social media pages.

00:39:15.940 Thank you. We're incredibly grateful for these free buses to Washington, D.C. and to the East Coast.

00:39:20.660 So these people that they're seeing in New York are from ICE releases.

00:39:24.400 They are from people not staying in Washington, D.C. either and migrating up to New York and to other northeastern states.

00:39:31.540 So it's really interesting. But we do know that NGOs are busing people all over as well.

00:39:36.460 They're bringing them to San Antonio from San Antonio.

00:39:39.320 They get on a Greyhound bus from there and they go somewhere else.

00:39:42.060 And that is all through government contracts. These NGOs are non-government organizations,

00:39:46.120 but they work directly with CBP, which is Customs and Border Protection.

00:39:50.020 As soon as they're processed, they're brought to these NGOs and dropped off.

00:39:54.800 Now, ICE releases are a little bit different.

00:39:56.520 If they're in a detention facility, then the ICE buses will basically take them to San Antonio as well.

00:40:01.760 They'll drop them off at the airport.

00:40:03.060 I've witnessed this several times where they drop off busloads.

00:40:06.000 Seventy-five single adult men get off.

00:40:08.240 Mostly Venezuelans, the one that I saw, and they were all going to Chicago.

00:40:11.740 Right?

00:40:12.000 So we're seeing all of this happen.

00:40:14.800 And there's always the finger-pointing and the blame game.

00:40:17.480 But Governor Abbott has maintained and has always said,

00:40:20.260 every community is a border community.

00:40:22.720 Now they're just feeling it.

00:40:24.680 And, you know, everybody's been talking about the financial impacts of this

00:40:27.920 and what this will look like.

00:40:28.900 Governor Abbott's saying every single migrant costs the state of Texas $30,000 a year.

00:40:35.680 That's for any kind of medical care.

00:40:37.800 That's for schooling.

00:40:38.680 That's for all of the, you know, access that they have to things once they're here.

00:40:42.300 And so that is going to be felt throughout the nation.

00:40:44.680 But they're just seeing it right now.

00:40:46.400 It's kind of more of a tangible thing with all of these people showing up

00:40:49.880 and maxing out their shelters, like what the border communities have been dealing with for years now.

00:40:55.360 So what's the story?

00:40:56.480 And I'll get to what Mayorkas, the head of DHS, is saying on this.

00:40:59.560 It's unbelievably disconnected.

00:41:01.760 But what's the story with the drugs?

00:41:03.600 Because if all of these people are just getting on the buses and going left, right, you know, north, south and so on,

00:41:11.020 what's the story with all the fentanyl and all the cocaine in particular that we saw is up now in record numbers in June

00:41:16.680 in terms of what they're bringing across the southern border?

00:41:18.580 How does that happen?

00:41:19.440 I understand that the southern border is essentially run by the cartels now.

00:41:22.540 But like, how do they get how do they get those drugs in?

00:41:26.100 I assume they're not packed in like a little to me suitcase on the bottom of the Greyhound.

00:41:30.960 But how is that?

00:41:32.840 How is that working?

00:41:34.600 So there's a couple of ways that this is happening.

00:41:36.740 Number one, it's happening a lot with with a drug smuggling option.

00:41:40.260 So they're using vehicles, things like that.

00:41:42.240 And they're going through and they're catching the majority of them at these checkpoints because they have the technology.

00:41:46.940 They have drug sniffing canines.

00:41:48.440 They have, you know, these x-ray machines that they drive through where they can see the drugs taped up in the wheel wells.

00:41:54.580 They can see all these things.

00:41:56.160 The thing that the governor, he's proud of that.

00:41:58.460 He's, you know, proud that the state of Texas stops all those drugs from coming in.

00:42:01.980 But that's not through Operation Lone Star.

00:42:04.120 Operation Lone Star is his own kind of operation that he implemented a few years ago, about two years ago now, where it's additional resources from the state of Texas that basically go after drug smugglers.

00:42:16.400 They have the right to arrest for trespassing, things like that.

00:42:20.660 And they, again, deployed additional resources.

00:42:23.420 So what the governor talks about often, and we're seeing this right now, I actually have a friend of mine and another journalist who's in the Big Ben sector right now.

00:42:30.360 And what's happening with a lot of the drug smuggling is it's coming in through the holes.

00:42:35.160 When these borders are unmanned, which we know that they are right now because they're so maxed out processing and transporting these hundreds of migrants that are coming over every day, they're coming over in groups of 500.

00:42:46.920 So when that happens and you're already short-staffed along the border, all of your resources go to that.

00:42:53.380 That's a humanitarian crisis in its own, just like we see them force families across with little ones when the river's high because Amistad Lake Dam is out.

00:43:01.940 And so they've got very, very inhumane conditions that they have to cross in.

00:43:06.200 Cartel and coyotes, you said they run the border.

00:43:08.160 They know these things.

00:43:09.320 So what they're doing is they're forcing across these families to create a humanitarian crisis so that over here, we can sneak in drugs and we can sneak in people and we can force people across over here while they're distracted with this shiny object over here.

00:43:22.900 And that's happening every day.

00:43:24.800 And they are getting caught.

00:43:26.340 They are getting caught with bundles of weed, of fentanyl, of cocaine on their backpacks, 50-pound packs that these people are carrying.

00:43:34.120 And that's happening in more of these remote areas in the middle of the desert.

00:43:38.460 And again, when you don't have the resources to stop all of that and you don't have the resources to plug the holes because the wall is not done, contrary to most people's beliefs, you've got problems and you're going to have drugs getting in and a lot of gotaways.

00:43:53.920 We're at 490,000 known gotaways for last year or for this year, excuse me.

00:43:59.900 That is the ones that they see on cameras or the ones that they see in a bailout pursuit and they are not caught.

00:44:05.260 And by the way, let me interrupt you.

00:44:07.580 That's that's that the gotaways are not counted in the 1.7 million that we're at thus far and counting three years, three months before the end of the fiscal year.

00:44:15.800 No, they are not.

00:44:16.900 They are completely separate.

00:44:18.540 And again, every single Border Patrol agent, every single law enforcement agent I've talked to over the last year in my coverage tells me that numbers at least double.

00:44:26.060 They say they say for everyone that we catch to get by us.

00:44:31.380 So, you know, when they have a pursuit and the car crashes like what happened in Kinney County last night, they had another pursuit, which they get pursuits regularly because it's thoroughfare that human smugglers and drug smugglers use to get through to, you know, get through and evade law enforcement.

00:44:45.080 So they go through there because there's not a lot of active checkpoints.

00:44:48.400 And so last night they had a bailout pursuit, a rollover, and they confiscated an AK-47, Megan.

00:44:55.440 So right now what they're dealing with in these border communities is what the sheriff told me.

00:45:00.300 He said it's getting serious as if it wasn't already enough for them.

00:45:03.860 You know, the sheriff there has said that they're under siege.

00:45:06.040 There's a picture of that gun there that they confiscated.

00:45:08.160 They also confiscated a .40 caliber Glock on that same driver who they arrested.

00:45:13.560 And that is going to be their priority is the driver.

00:45:17.000 They're going to go after the driver who is 99.9% a U.S. citizen.

00:45:22.140 And we're seeing more and more teenagers that were recruited off Snapchat or Instagram or whatever it might be.

00:45:28.320 But they're recruited off these social media platforms by cartel and coyotes.

00:45:32.200 And they're used as smugglers.

00:45:34.140 And so they go after the driver first, and then they get lucky if they can catch all the people that ultimately what they say is bail out.

00:45:42.580 As soon as a car stops, everybody jumps out of the car and runs.

00:45:46.080 And so that's what they're up against in a lot of these counties that don't necessarily their border counties, but they don't line the Rio Grande.

00:45:53.540 They only have 14 miles along the river.

00:45:55.980 So their county we have pursued.

00:45:58.120 We have we have an update on the bailouts and how they've affected things like even the Uvalde school shooting.

00:46:03.000 We'll get to that in one one minute with Ali.

00:46:05.300 But the the thought of the damage that's being done by to the migrants and being brought across the border by the cartels.

00:46:15.060 You know, we had the story down south of over 50 people dead in the back of that truck.

00:46:19.440 The way that the women are raped repeatedly and put into sex trafficking.

00:46:25.460 We had the story.

00:46:26.540 You remember the story of the 10 year old girl in Ohio who may or may not have gotten pregnant and had an abortion.

00:46:31.240 Well, it turns out that story was true. 0.94

00:46:33.640 And she did get pregnant and she did wind up having an abortion across state lines. 1.00

00:46:37.400 And the person who impregnated her was a 26 year old illegal immigrant living potentially with the mother who then defended him. 0.55

00:46:46.940 Right. So that he's not here legally and he's raping 10 year olds.

00:46:50.240 And then you think about your kid.

00:46:51.960 You get a kid who goes to high school, is going off to college and God forbid gets offered a pill that's laced with fentanyl from one of these guys who brought it across in a backpack or what have you.

00:47:02.000 I mean, the death and the carnage that results from that open border is untold and it will remain untold because the media has almost no interest in it.

00:47:12.040 Stand by because there's more with Ali, including the reaction from the head of DHS about this.

00:47:16.340 It's stunningly tone deaf, deaf, and we will get to it in one second. 1.00

00:47:24.520 So Secretary Mayorkas comes out in the wake of these.

00:47:28.500 He's now he's aware of the devastating June numbers at the time he makes these comments.

00:47:33.220 And again, like this is two Animal House references in one show, like Kevin Bacon at the end, when all hell has broken loose on the streets of the campus, basically tells the rampant crowd all is well.

00:47:47.680 Remain calm. All is well.

00:47:53.140 All is well.

00:47:56.400 Here he is.

00:47:57.340 Speaking of the border, is the border safe?

00:48:01.360 Now I was watching a news channel and they were talking about an invasion was happening and I got a little concerned.

00:48:07.480 Look, the border, the border is secure.

00:48:14.980 The border, we are working to make the border more secure.

00:48:19.940 That has been a historic challenge.

00:48:22.240 I have said to a number of legislators who expressed to me that we need to address the challenge at the border before they pass legislation.

00:48:38.200 And I take issue with the math of holding the solution hostage until the problem is resolved.

00:48:48.760 There is work to be done.

00:48:53.100 When you safe and secure are two different words.

00:48:57.420 There are smugglers that operate on the Mexican side of the border and placing one's life in their hands is,

00:49:08.200 OK, he goes on.

00:49:09.540 So it's secure.

00:49:10.580 Just in case you didn't know, it is secure.

00:49:13.220 Remain calm.

00:49:16.280 It's I mean, that is far from the truth.

00:49:18.660 If you talk to anybody along the border, there's a woman in Kinney County.

00:49:22.700 I was just talking to you about last month, Megan.

00:49:25.100 She was just driving down the street between Del Rio and Bracketville home from getting groceries.

00:49:30.440 Her normal trip to Del Rio.

00:49:32.240 She was a schoolteacher in Del Rio.

00:49:33.660 So that was her normal commute.

00:49:35.160 Gets shot at by a smuggler driving down the highway trying to evade law enforcement during a pursuit.

00:49:40.940 So go ahead, Mayorkis. 1.00

00:49:42.220 You tell me again that the border is secure and that we have operational control.

00:49:46.620 Right now, I actually just got a message from one of my ICE sources that I talk to regularly.

00:49:51.440 And Megan, they've actually posted on Dilley's PureSol online sale and trade.

00:49:57.160 So now they're taking to these, you know, garage sale website pages on Facebook to ask for help.

00:50:03.200 They're literally posting from one of their facilities, the ICE detention facility in Dilley,

00:50:08.320 asking people to volunteer and to step up and to take these jobs that are available.

00:50:13.000 So if that's operational control, then I don't I don't I don't want to see what chaos looks like.

00:50:20.220 Yeah, I hate to see what true invasion is.

00:50:23.200 So so I mentioned it in our last segment, but one of the problems of these so-called bailouts that you just referenced where the the migrants get chased.

00:50:34.720 It never ends well, but then they bail out of their cars and run in all different directions when the cops get too close or when they have a car accident and they all just run in different directions.

00:50:43.000 Is a boy who cried wolf resistance by the local community in Uvalde in particular by the school to the real threat.

00:50:54.920 This has already come out now that this I mean, it's it's a southern border town that they had had so many of these.

00:51:04.340 Watch out, bailout, you know, emergency strangers on campus alerts.

00:51:10.340 They had become immune to them.

00:51:13.080 It's yet another of the many real life consequences.

00:51:16.380 It's not to say that they could have stopped this madman who came into the school and killed 19 fourth graders.

00:51:22.400 But it certainly might have helped if they had taken the threat more seriously right from the get go because they weren't dealing with.

00:51:29.940 I think it was 50 of them in one year alone.

00:51:34.640 Between February and May.

00:51:37.020 That's it.

00:51:37.880 50 between that time frame.

00:51:39.640 That's from school teachers.

00:51:40.740 And Megan, all of the journalists that responded.

00:51:43.980 I mean, I was already on the way because I was already covering the southern border.

00:51:47.160 So I was one of the first American journalists on the ground.

00:51:49.760 There was a Reuters there from Mexico and a television station for Mexico as well.

00:51:55.320 There wasn't even a perimeter set up.

00:51:57.020 But when I was in route, what the reports were was that it was a bailout, that it was a smuggling pursuit.

00:52:03.340 And so everybody thought that that's what it was in the beginning was another bailout.

00:52:07.240 And when you talk about these people, kind of the boy who cried wolf, I've been reporting this since the day this happened, that there's a real thing called alert fatigue.

00:52:16.180 I talked to a lot of parents in that area.

00:52:18.800 Every parent, there's a parent that is a wife to one of my sources. 0.95

00:52:22.000 They have a third grader that goes to Rob Elementary.

00:52:24.800 And they got the email, legitimately thought it was another bailout, did not think anything of it.

00:52:30.460 Now, that email did come about 20 minutes after the shooter was already firing shots.

00:52:34.920 And then they didn't know it was an active shooter until about 12.11.

00:52:38.020 So it was about 40 minutes from the time the shooter actually got there that parents knew what was happening.

00:52:44.200 So there was a lot of, obviously, things that fell short.

00:52:47.920 We know that.

00:52:48.560 That's no secret.

00:52:49.580 But the alert fatigue thing is very real.

00:52:51.680 I will say the only saving grace to it being a border crisis down there right now is how many Border Patrol agents were around and were present during that time and able to respond.

00:53:02.000 Now, the manpower didn't really matter because it still took them 77 minutes to go in and it still took time for that BORTAC agent to actually arrive.

00:53:10.180 But that response comes from not because there was a school full of migrants, right?

00:53:15.620 It's because they're deployed along the southern border already and have been because of the crisis.

00:53:22.320 I did not realize that that Aranda, the guy who was supposed to be in control, Arradondo, he was supposed to be in charge of the response, had not yet been fired or resigned.

00:53:34.480 I mean, honestly, I just assumed that guy had been turfed in the wake of his disastrous failure.

00:53:39.520 With all due respect to this man, he's a fellow human being.

00:53:41.760 I get it.

00:53:42.840 He's become the face of cowardice in in America and he's still employed in the job.

00:53:51.360 He was the one who wrote the crisis response plan for the school and then failed to execute it and walked around that day as if somebody else were in charge,

00:54:03.660 even though he knew very well that he was the one supposed to be running this.

00:54:08.740 Now the parents are outraged.

00:54:11.740 The family members are outraged.

00:54:13.740 You're about to hear from a man who I believe is the uncle of one of the victims.

00:54:19.300 Hold on.

00:54:19.580 His name is Brett Cross.

00:54:22.000 His niece died during the shooting and he addressed the school board about the fact that they have not fired this guy yet.

00:54:29.900 Take a listen.

00:54:30.380 I literally just gave you proof that he knew that the doors were unlocked, didn't do nothing about it.

00:54:36.560 You're still standing by paying him to take a vacation, correct?

00:54:39.680 No.

00:54:40.200 We were going to wait for investigative information to come forward to help us in our decision-making process and I will stick to that.

00:54:47.540 All right.

00:54:47.840 Well, I'll tell you this.

00:54:48.720 If he's not fired by noon tomorrow, then I want your resignation and every single one of you board members because y'all do not give a damn about our children or us.

00:54:57.940 That's stunning.

00:55:01.200 Powerful words.

00:55:04.700 So what do you make of it?

00:55:05.800 I mean, do you think he's likely to go?

00:55:07.200 I think the meeting might be this Saturday.

00:55:09.680 But I mean, this is not liberal Portland, Oregon, which, you know, like this is Texas.

00:55:14.880 I feel like this guy is gone.

00:55:17.820 He will be forced to resign or they will fire him within days.

00:55:21.840 So he immediately stepped down from the city council, which he was already elected in that role before the shooting happened.

00:55:29.200 Then he got sworn in a day after the shooting.

00:55:32.660 So that was a big controversy as well.

00:55:34.860 Now, he did step down from that role on the city council.

00:55:37.660 He, again, as you mentioned, has not been fired, though, or relieved from his role as a chief of the school police.

00:55:43.940 But the mayor tells me and confirms with me that they do have a special meeting set for Saturday.

00:55:49.220 He says, quote, I have heard that it's true that they sent him a notice for Saturday's special meeting.

00:55:53.660 Word is he will be fired.

00:55:55.640 The mayor does go on, though, to tell me he hasn't heard that from school officials.

00:55:59.240 But the mayor is pretty confident as well that that they are going to relieve him of his duties.

00:56:04.300 Again, I mean, most people feel like this should have come days after the shooting, not nearly two months.

00:56:10.240 Because now what's happened is we've gotten the Uvalde shooting report, you know, the assessment of how things went so wrong down there.

00:56:17.360 The Washington Post reporting in all 376 law enforcement officers, nearly 400 law enforcement officers were on scene there.

00:56:28.600 A greater number than previously known, 149 Border Patrol officers, 91 Texas state troopers.

00:56:33.600 And the guy who was supposed to be in charge was Pete Arradondo, the school district police chief who wrote the active shooter response plan.

00:56:43.200 What's insane about the fact that he's still there, if I understand the facts correctly, is God forbid they would have another school shooting this week.

00:56:51.360 He would be the man in charge.

00:56:53.140 He would be the lead commander in terms of response.

00:56:55.680 He would be the lead commander in terms of response for any kind of situation, right?

00:57:01.880 Luckily, they're on summer break right now and they've pushed the start to the school year.

00:57:05.720 So that won't be anytime soon.

00:57:08.020 But it is wildly problematic to know that he walked around and said, I didn't title myself.

00:57:12.920 I just looked at myself as another police officer that was responding.

00:57:16.320 But as you mentioned, he literally wrote the policy.

00:57:19.100 He's the top of the chain of command.

00:57:20.940 No one else felt like they could come in and take over, but they should have.

00:57:24.140 The sheriff has every jurisdictional right to come in and to take over because he is a top law enforcement individual in that county.

00:57:31.180 He could have done that.

00:57:32.220 The feds could have done that. 0.82

00:57:33.900 The other issue, Megan, is that out of all of those officers, 376 respondents, not one took it upon themselves to ask the questions or to implement a command post.

00:57:44.620 That in this report, that was an egregious error as well because there was nobody there to streamline and coordinate efforts.

00:57:50.600 We know radios weren't necessarily working.

00:57:52.280 We know that Arredondo was on the other side of the classroom while the congregate group was kind of, you know, where we saw the cameras that were that were closer back.

00:57:59.980 So how are they even communicating?

00:58:01.760 You know, and that's another big problem is that there wasn't a command post and there wasn't a central command person that was outside of the building making sure that things were going on.

00:58:10.140 When I arrived on scene, no one knew what was going on.

00:58:13.040 There were troopers of blood on their shirts.

00:58:14.780 There was no perimeter line set.

00:58:16.360 There was no PIO, which is a public information officer, to give me any information.

00:58:21.700 We knew nothing.

00:58:22.900 And it was so chaotic still.

00:58:25.160 When I showed up and the gunman was already subdued, he was already dead by the time I got there.

00:58:29.220 But when I got there, I was watching the airlifting helicopters leave.

00:58:32.840 And the truck was still in the spot that it was crashed in.

00:58:35.860 And again, there was no caution tape up, no perimeter set at all, at least an hour after this started.

00:58:41.400 And so, you know, you look at this situation, you look at this botched response, and you look at how these families are reeling, and they have to.

00:58:48.680 And, you know, I've asked a lot of my sources along the border that are sheriffs, that are law enforcement individuals, that are border patrol.

00:58:54.800 And they all say that the only way forward is to actually basically start from the bottom and clean house.

00:59:02.220 Just work your way through it.

00:59:03.500 And you have to start over because these people in this community aren't going to have confidence in these law enforcement individuals.

00:59:08.400 And I said, this is a community of 15,000 people.

00:59:11.140 How are they going to restaff?

00:59:12.780 We already know that staffing police is almost an impossible task.

00:59:16.020 And these sheriffs and these law enforcement individuals tell me, Megan, they would rather have nobody than officers who aren't going to act.

00:59:23.860 You know, they aren't going to walk in.

00:59:25.160 Then citizens know we're on our own.

00:59:26.980 Yeah, then the citizens know we're on our own.

00:59:28.560 Okay, got it.

00:59:29.240 I mean, these are Texans.

00:59:30.220 They would have it.

00:59:31.180 A lot of them are armed.

00:59:32.620 I'm sure they would have had it.

00:59:34.420 I think another really important thing, though, if I can really quickly.

00:59:38.160 We bring up the 376 people.

00:59:40.920 The thing that this report does not break down is when they arrived.

00:59:44.820 That is important.

00:59:46.380 We talk about 376 officers.

00:59:48.640 We think they were all just standing outside while children were just horrifyingly being massacred.

00:59:54.400 That might not necessarily be the case, right?

00:59:56.760 We know, like Valverde County, they had two people there.

01:00:00.520 But those people were not there until after the shooter was already subdued.

01:00:04.120 So there are things like that that still need to be sifted through.

01:00:08.400 And we need to find out who really was on scene that could have acted and didn't.

01:00:13.600 It's too horrifying to think.

01:00:15.180 And it just completely shatters your notion of law enforcement as, you know, your next backdrop.

01:00:22.460 You know, the people you call when you're really in trouble, when your most vulnerable loved ones are in trouble.

01:00:27.860 The guys with the gun, the good guys with the guns are supposed to run in to help.

01:00:31.320 And they just didn't.

01:00:33.340 But I was going to say the failures in Uvalde, the failures of the children, the 19 fourth graders and the two teachers who were killed began well before the day of the shooting.

01:00:42.100 And that, too, has been exposed by this report in in as much as we're learning more about the shooter whose name we're not going to say.

01:00:50.820 But this guy had been so vocal about his unhappiness, about his alleged bullying, about his terrible fourth grade experience in the very classroom years earlier that he would ultimately return to target.

01:01:04.660 But some of his family members were aware that he bought guns and ordered them to remove them from the house where he was living.

01:01:11.440 So they knew they knew this kid should not have guns.

01:01:14.080 They wanted the guns removed.

01:01:15.380 But that's about all they did.

01:01:17.240 And I wasn't surprised to see it, Ali. 0.82

01:01:19.860 I've talked about it many times.

01:01:21.120 It's the reason we haven't and I haven't for decades said the names of school shooters.

01:01:26.520 Quote, the report says the gunman was driven by a desire for notoriety and fame, notoriety and fame.

01:01:33.700 And what happens over and over is the media assists after the person shoots up the school, whether the person winds up dead or alive himself, we we in effect glorify them.

01:01:44.280 We plaster their name and their images all over television.

01:01:48.520 And they go from a nobody loser sitting inside of the grandparents house, not going to school to somebody whose name is known by virtually everyone in America.

01:01:58.180 It's wrong.

01:01:59.180 And we we're not going to learn.

01:02:00.800 I've got I've gone through enough, enough of these to realize we won't learn.

01:02:03.820 It doesn't matter how many times the media learns this this lesson.

01:02:06.540 They just keep blaming guns.

01:02:07.880 That's the only thing they can see is the problem.

01:02:10.040 But that report was very illuminating.

01:02:12.700 Yeah, Megan, I have to say thank you for doing that, because I do the same thing.

01:02:16.500 I I know his name, but it takes me a minute to think of it because I haven't said it.

01:02:20.960 And, you know, the focus does need to be on the kids and on this act, what happened, but not to glorify this person.

01:02:29.540 And, you know, I've talked to I sat down with the grandfather the next day after the shooting for an hour.

01:02:35.240 He invited me into his home and I was able to talk with him and ask him about this situation.

01:02:39.960 And the the family members that knew he had guns, it wasn't necessarily that they thought that he was going to use them to harm people.

01:02:47.500 But the grandfather could not have guns in that home because he has a previous conviction.

01:02:52.460 And so if he were to have guns in his home, he would go back to jail for 15 years.

01:02:57.520 So you they couldn't have guns in that home.

01:02:59.900 So there are several reasons why they wanted the guns out.

01:03:02.380 It wasn't that the family necessarily saw all of these red flags and just ignored them.

01:03:07.300 And that is from the conversations I had with the grandparents and the grandfather had no idea about the guns.

01:03:13.980 What I'm learning is it was the grandmother and an aunt, an aunt of the shooter.

01:03:19.480 But it wasn't necessarily the grandfather that that knew.

01:03:23.100 And he didn't have a lot of conversations with the shooter.

01:03:25.880 He would go to work and he would come home and the shooter would be on the couch sleeping or whatever.

01:03:30.920 And the guy, the grandfather, I mean, he was distraught.

01:03:34.000 He would tell me he would try to read his Bible out loud and hope that the gunman would hear him, just hope that it would kind of trickle in.

01:03:40.740 And he said that he obviously wasn't a God fearing man and, you know, obviously wasn't necessarily the person that he thought he was.

01:03:47.780 And sadly, the grandparents took a lot of this on because he had been living with them periodically since about March.

01:03:53.740 So a few months.

01:03:55.000 But, you know, their grandparents and what kind of conversations are you really having with your grandparents?

01:03:59.520 How much should they really know?

01:04:01.320 But it is very normal in very small rural communities for grandparents to take on kind of being the guardian for a lot of these kids that maybe, you know, don't have don't have a standard home or don't have a stable home.

01:04:13.780 Because the parents were losers.

01:04:14.820 That's that's the truth.

01:04:15.920 The parents were losers and abandoned abandoned their parental responsibilities.

01:04:19.160 And it's not that they're that they caused the school shooting, but they certainly caused, in part, an unstable young man and unstable young men are the problem we're facing when it comes to school and mass shootings.

01:04:32.080 You can take it to the book.

01:04:33.520 They have a profile.

01:04:34.420 So I don't actually I'm not as forgiving of the grand grandfather as you are, because, you know, I saw him on TV saying, oh, what are you going to do?

01:04:41.880 You know, you dropped out of school.

01:04:42.860 You can't make him go.

01:04:43.540 You can make him go.

01:04:44.420 And the school district didn't come back and try to make him go.

01:04:47.080 As I understand it, he dropped out in the ninth grade.

01:04:49.020 He was effectively pushed out after missing 100 days of school and so on.

01:04:52.680 Now, the community failed him.

01:04:54.200 His parents failed him.

01:04:55.500 And then he failed all of us.

01:04:57.160 And that was, in part, the responsibility of adults who should have intervened earlier, who should have seen the warning signs.

01:05:03.740 It's not OK to just say, oh, well, what are you going to do?

01:05:05.820 He's he's out of school and he just sits on the couch all day.

01:05:08.280 That's the same profile of the shooter in Newtown.

01:05:11.220 Yeah.

01:05:11.660 But the grandfather did tell me that he did that he knew that he was failing, that he was not going to teach him how to drive.

01:05:17.740 He wasn't going to do all those things if he wasn't going to be motivated.

01:05:20.440 So, you know, I think there's different different parts of the interviews that we probably see and take.

01:05:25.620 But he did tell me that he wasn't going to teach him to drive or give him any extra benefits, you know, in life if he wasn't going to be advocating for himself, too.

01:05:34.460 So the grandfather did push back a little bit.

01:05:36.480 But I said, why aren't you talking to him?

01:05:37.960 Why aren't you on these hour long car drives you guys are taking?

01:05:40.780 Because he started working for his grandpa.

01:05:42.780 Why aren't you talking?

01:05:43.700 And he just that's not his culture.

01:05:45.520 That's not how he is.

01:05:46.460 That's not who he is.

01:05:47.700 But now, in hindsight, 2020, right?

01:05:50.220 I bet you he wishes he would have had a lot more of those conversations with his grandson.

01:05:53.840 We all do.

01:05:54.700 Gavin DeBecker was on the show two weeks ago, you know, world international recognized security expert was saying that the one common denominator amongst all these shooters is misery, misery.

01:06:06.760 And what they what can make the difference in one case versus another is the intervention of anyone with a kindness, a caring word, some some cause for concern and inquiry.

01:06:19.060 It doesn't always work, but it gives us the rest of us a fighting chance of somebody would show kindness and concern.

01:06:26.660 I do want to show the audience that you you had an extraordinary interview as you as you were mentioning and went inside the house.

01:06:33.380 And let's not forget this shooter and Uvalde shot his grandmother first and actually got video where, as I understand it, there's still blood inside the house as you were in it.

01:06:44.120 Here's a little bit of that for the watching audience.

01:06:47.080 If you're listening, you can see it on YouTube in just a bit.

01:06:49.600 It's soundbite 10.

01:06:50.480 Did you have bullet holes in the house when you came home?

01:06:54.820 No.

01:06:55.240 No.

01:06:55.620 OK, praise God.

01:06:56.300 No, no.

01:06:56.880 A key right here.

01:06:58.480 I think the way I see it, I don't know.

01:07:02.180 But there's blood all over.

01:07:04.180 I got to clean that out.

01:07:05.200 And I don't know, he shot her from here to there.

01:07:08.900 Oh, wow.

01:07:09.520 Because it is.

01:07:10.100 Or maybe from there.

01:07:11.860 Because there was a pool of blood here.

01:07:13.840 Really?

01:07:14.520 And you had to clean it up?

01:07:16.120 My sister and this friend of mine, her cousin cleaned it up.

01:07:20.240 Wait, so this is all from?

01:07:22.600 Uh-huh.

01:07:23.180 Some of her skin or whatever.

01:07:25.380 Oh, my gosh.

01:07:26.140 Look at Roland.

01:07:26.840 It's all the way up here.

01:07:28.080 Yes.

01:07:29.540 Wow.

01:07:30.840 Oh, my gosh.

01:07:31.640 That's chilling, Allie.

01:07:32.540 Mm-hmm.

01:07:33.980 It was being in that house was a feeling I'll never be able to recreate and hope I never

01:07:39.880 have to.

01:07:41.020 You know, you saw those two bedrooms.

01:07:43.140 And the grandfather and his wife slept in separate rooms.

01:07:46.300 The gunman slept on the floor in the living room, which he also showed me.

01:07:50.480 And there was a pile of blankets, basically.

01:07:52.900 And then every day when the grandfather would leave to work, he would wake up the gunman and

01:07:56.820 tell him to go into the bedroom and sleep.

01:07:59.380 And that's common, too.

01:08:00.860 You know, people are like, oh, why don't they share a room?

01:08:03.460 It's not for us to pick that part apart, but the gunman was sleeping on the floor in

01:08:08.180 the living room.

01:08:08.880 You know, so this was a temporary thing.

01:08:11.560 But we know that before he shot his grandmother, they were arguing about the cell phone plan,

01:08:16.120 which you talk about misery.

01:08:17.140 And this guy lived on the Internet.

01:08:19.420 The mom apparently couldn't pay the Wi-Fi, which is one of the reasons why he moved in

01:08:22.780 with the grandparents, because the mom brought in some boyfriend and they were doing drugs, 0.96

01:08:26.760 moving drugs throughout the house.

01:08:28.000 And so he moved in with the grandparents.

01:08:30.480 Well, then the grandmother says it's time for you to get on your own cell phone plan.

01:08:34.240 And now you're threatening his livelihood, basically.

01:08:37.060 Right.

01:08:37.320 Everything that fuels him is what's on social media, because he obviously didn't have any

01:08:41.840 friends.

01:08:42.240 He didn't have people that he hung out with or did did any activities with.

01:08:46.120 So you're getting that side where, OK, you're going to cut off his access to anyone.

01:08:52.100 And that was kind of the triggering point.

01:08:54.140 He waited for the grandfather to leave.

01:08:55.860 The grandmother told the grandfather, I think he was waiting for you to leave because you

01:09:00.820 probably would have stopped him.

01:09:01.960 And if you didn't stop him, you would have been shot, too.

01:09:04.620 And so, you know, when the grandpa tells me he wishes that would have happened, he wishes

01:09:08.020 that he would have been able to lay his life down and save those kids.

01:09:11.300 So it is a lot of different moving parts here, but we can piece together exactly what happened.

01:09:16.560 And a lot of people want to know how he got the money.

01:09:18.540 But there's a lot of ways that you can get that money if you don't have any bills, you

01:09:23.400 don't have any rent, you don't have a vehicle, you are working.

01:09:27.360 He then after he quit Wendy's, he picked up shifts working with his grandfather at his

01:09:30.840 HVAC company.

01:09:31.880 And his grandpa actually had cash lying around the house because that's how he got paid in

01:09:37.560 a lot of jobs.

01:09:38.260 So this grandson could have been skimming off the top for months.

01:09:41.560 He had this plan for months.

01:09:43.160 So, you know, there is a way that you can get fifty five hundred dollars when you have

01:09:47.280 no bills and nothing else to pay for.

01:09:50.200 Wow.

01:09:51.300 Thank you for getting down there, for being down there, for doing the investigative

01:09:54.500 reporting.

01:09:55.220 It's we need reporters like you who are not afraid to get into the mix, whether it's the

01:09:59.880 southern border and the story is not being told or sometimes, you know, you get part

01:10:04.260 of the term lucky on a story like Uvalde when you're nearby and you can get

01:10:08.240 right in there and get up close with the witnesses.

01:10:11.400 It's extraordinary that the grandmother lived.

01:10:13.100 I mean, that's just like that's going to be one of the many things that gets investigated.

01:10:17.060 Allie, Allie Bradley, everybody, thank you so much for being here.

01:10:19.800 All the best to you.

01:10:21.200 Thank you, Megan.

01:10:21.860 Thank you so much.

01:10:22.580 And we should note that I'm starting my role at News Nation as a network correspondent

01:10:26.760 so you can catch up there doing all of our coverage there as well.

01:10:30.080 Oh, that's awesome.

01:10:30.800 Congrats to you.

01:10:31.480 When when do you start there?

01:10:33.280 I kind of soft started on the 18th.

01:10:35.860 So the official official start is on the 15th of August, but I'm already working.

01:10:39.480 I've been working for them, contributing to them for about nine months because they were

01:10:43.620 interested in my border coverage.

01:10:44.900 And they're one of the only networks that really was.

01:10:48.020 And it's a beautiful thing to be able to continue what I'm doing on such an amazing

01:10:52.100 platform.

01:10:52.840 So you can catch me there.

01:10:54.360 And I hope you do.

01:10:55.860 All right.

01:10:56.420 We definitely will check it out.

01:10:57.540 All the best to you.

01:10:58.200 Good luck.

01:10:58.760 Thank you, Megan.

01:10:59.320 All right.

01:11:00.600 And coming up, I'm going to be joined by a writer whose columns I have loved, love,

01:11:04.120 love on Slubstack.

01:11:04.860 I'm like, I need to know her.

01:11:06.820 You will meet her when I meet her.

01:11:08.880 And we'll talk about, among other things, her drift, slow drift from the Democratic Party

01:11:13.920 as her eyes began to open to their growing insanity.

01:11:19.000 Next.

01:11:19.400 My next guest is Sasha Stone, founder of Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning on Substack.

01:11:30.960 She was once a Democrat, now an Independent, and shares a refreshing take on the current 0.50

01:11:36.300 state of politics, including the January 6th show trials and why the left has lost it.

01:11:44.000 Sasha, I am so happy to meet you.

01:11:45.900 I love your thinking.

01:11:47.500 I love your writing.

01:11:48.160 I love your podcast.

01:11:49.040 I love it all.

01:11:50.080 I mean, I feel like I'm in some sort of parallel universe where Megyn Kelly is telling me that

01:11:54.260 she not only reads what I write, but likes what I write.

01:11:57.020 That is such a mind-blowing experience.

01:12:00.100 I'm such a big fan.

01:12:01.680 I listened to your podcast before you moved to Sirius, and then I thought that when you

01:12:09.280 moved to Sirius, that it was going to lose the intimacy of it.

01:12:12.640 I was like, we're going to lose our best friend.

01:12:15.380 But it didn't, though.

01:12:17.180 It actually expanded.

01:12:18.560 It's still as intimate as it was, and it's also including your incredible investigative

01:12:25.700 reporting and everything.

01:12:27.380 And I do have to tell you that you're really the reason why I sort of think the way that

01:12:32.100 I do on a lot of this stuff, because at one point you were being attacked viciously for

01:12:37.480 some stupid thing, and you just said on your podcast, you know what? 0.79

01:12:42.000 I'm sick of it.

01:12:43.100 I'm just going to say what I want to say.

01:12:46.220 And people can attack me all they want, but that matters to me more.

01:12:50.480 And that is really what I've been doing.

01:12:51.940 I actually copied you, so because I wanted to, you know.

01:12:58.580 Well, no wonder I like you so much.

01:13:01.040 Now that I hear the backstory, it's no wonder we connected in the way we did.

01:13:05.760 But it is liberating, you know, and now when I see people being so careful and so

01:13:10.160 self-censorious, I think, oh, remember what it was like to be over there?

01:13:14.720 That's so sad.

01:13:15.800 I understand.

01:13:16.540 I get it.

01:13:17.100 But it's so liberating to be on the other side.

01:13:20.800 Oh, it is so it feels so good.

01:13:23.340 And as much as it kind of hurts to lose people in your life and to have your friends and family

01:13:29.540 kind of look at you in a strange way, you know, it's sort of like you're an you were an

01:13:33.400 Amish person and then you left for the big city, but you're so happy in the big city, but

01:13:37.180 you feel bad because your Amish friends are still back there and they're so sad that you

01:13:42.280 left.

01:13:42.700 And if only you could still be an Amish person. 1.00

01:13:45.000 That's that's not to insult the Amish community.

01:13:47.360 I'm just saying, but so what it is, it is incredibly strange about your background so

01:13:52.640 we can understand, you know, the let's put some meat on those bones there. 0.96

01:13:56.520 OK, yeah, so I, you know, I started my business online.

01:14:02.760 I run a website about the Oscars, awardsdaily.com.

01:14:05.780 And I got online in 1994.

01:14:09.260 And so I've been online half my life and I started getting into politics in around 2015

01:14:16.860 when the you know, just before the primary, the Democratic primary.

01:14:22.540 And I became a very, very devoted Hillary Clinton supporter.

01:14:27.020 A lot of people know me online as being a blue check Democrat that used to fight with the

01:14:33.060 the Bernie bros and the Trump supporters quite viciously, actually.

01:14:37.120 And I was every bit the thing that I I no longer can stand anymore.

01:14:42.220 I was that person.

01:14:43.340 I was the worst.

01:14:44.300 I even came after you at one point over the Tara Reid thing.

01:14:48.160 And now I realized that, you know, you were doing good journalism and and that was the right

01:14:52.780 thing to do.

01:14:53.440 And asking you to suppress that in order for Biden to do better was wrong.

01:15:00.140 But it took me a while to get there.

01:15:02.660 You know.

01:15:02.840 So what what were the beginnings like, how did this start to percolate?

01:15:05.980 Because I have so many Democratic friends who have gone through this, you know, sort

01:15:10.380 of a I don't know if it's a deprogramming, but just like something pierces through and

01:15:15.760 you're like, wait, wait a minute.

01:15:17.920 There's a different way of thinking or they get alienated on this or that.

01:15:20.820 So how did that start?

01:15:22.600 Well, the first way that that started was I had been reading the never Trumpers, actually,

01:15:27.840 because I thought the Democrats couldn't pull in the elections.

01:15:30.500 I was reading people like Rick Wilson and listening to the Bulwark guys and and Joe Walsh

01:15:35.820 became my friend on Twitter.

01:15:37.840 And already I could see that they weren't what I thought they were and they weren't what

01:15:41.380 people were telling me they were and screaming at me about being friends with them.

01:15:45.320 They're terrible racists.

01:15:46.960 You know, it wasn't true.

01:15:48.800 And so then I began wondering what else isn't true.

01:15:51.460 You know, what else don't I know?

01:15:53.500 How is this happening?

01:15:54.400 I was so certain.

01:15:55.400 And then really, it was like everybody else.

01:15:58.880 It was the 2020 protests slash riots that was such a red pill moment because the media

01:16:07.520 wasn't talking about it.

01:16:09.020 They weren't because they were invested in the narrative that it all had to be Trump's

01:16:14.080 fault.

01:16:15.340 And so, you know, a lot of us were looking for the truth and looking for people to talk

01:16:20.240 about what we knew was happening.

01:16:21.620 And they weren't.

01:16:22.760 They were gaslighting us.

01:16:24.840 So and worse than that, I had a really personal period of sort of despair in 2020, like a lot

01:16:31.460 of people did because of COVID and lockdowns.

01:16:33.820 And I was all alone.

01:16:35.800 And every time I got online to connect with my friends, it was just this bottomless, unfiltered

01:16:41.060 hatred aimed at Trump, his family, his supporters.

01:16:45.240 And I just got a chill down my spine.

01:16:48.040 I thought, you know what?

01:16:48.760 I am part of a group that's dehumanizing another group.

01:16:51.860 And I know that's wrong.

01:16:53.540 I know enough about history to know that that takes us to a really dark place.

01:16:57.940 That's a red line you don't cross.

01:17:00.820 And and so I decided to get to know Trump world.

01:17:03.700 And I watched every single one of Trump's rallies.

01:17:05.820 I started watching Tucker Carlson.

01:17:07.940 I'd listened to, you know, all the sort of right wing, not right wing, but, you know,

01:17:12.980 populist right, a world I knew nothing about.

01:17:16.540 And it just changed my mind about who they were and really honestly about who Trump was

01:17:22.560 and what this whole sort of crazy thing is, is has turned into and how I think it's really

01:17:29.640 destroyed the Democrats and destroyed the left in their hatred of him and trying to take

01:17:36.680 him down for six years when there's so many better ways that they could have been spending

01:17:41.420 their time and energy.

01:17:42.540 Well, thank you for sharing that background.

01:17:45.300 I mean, I I can relate to a lot of what you said.

01:17:47.900 I wasn't a Democrat, but I remember one of my favorite doctors in New York.

01:17:53.340 She's a diehard Upper West Side liberal. 0.92

01:17:55.900 And we talked about Trump when he was running the first time and he'd been attacking me.

01:18:00.600 So she was angry with him for that, too.

01:18:02.640 She didn't like Trump anyway.

01:18:03.580 But, you know, I wasn't too pleased with Trump back then myself.

01:18:06.720 And we kind of talked about him privately, like, oh, Trump, what's he doing?

01:18:10.440 Why is he doing this?

01:18:11.960 And then I saw her, you know, a couple of years later and she was still in the same place

01:18:16.780 and I was defending him on his he'd become president.

01:18:21.200 He had had the chance to implement policy.

01:18:23.660 He was still, you know, his same self in terms of his rhetoric and the way he talks about

01:18:27.180 things.

01:18:27.480 So, but he when you looked at Trump on paper, he was doing a lot of objectively good things.

01:18:32.000 And I started to make these points to her and she started looking at me kind of funny.

01:18:35.840 And I was like, oh, no, I'm going to lose her because I love her.

01:18:38.000 And I don't I don't want this moment where it crumbles between us.

01:18:40.520 And she goes, you know what this tells me about you?

01:18:43.060 And I said, what?

01:18:44.160 And she goes that you have principles.

01:18:46.360 And she was like, I appreciate that.

01:18:48.000 Like she didn't turn on me.

01:18:49.540 She was this delightful, total partisan, but kind and warm and able to see even somebody

01:18:56.640 who she could see wasn't agreeing with her on someone.

01:18:58.780 She found the devil as awful just for that.

01:19:02.260 You know, there are good people there.

01:19:04.440 And there are people on like you and like me, where if you stay open minded to facts,

01:19:08.900 performance and a media agenda, because that's what I see you talking about a lot.

01:19:12.980 You you've become very, very good at spotting it.

01:19:16.460 You could you there's a way of finding truth.

01:19:21.060 Yeah, well, like the last your last guest, what a great reporter, right?

01:19:25.800 Getting the story she was she told a side of that story I have not heard before.

01:19:31.680 And it wasn't that she was empathizing or sympathizing with the gunman, but she was painting

01:19:37.440 a picture that really did fill in the gaps of the bigger picture.

01:19:41.420 And that's what our media doesn't do.

01:19:42.940 In fact, it's kind of odd to watch, for instance, Jamie Raskin and the January 6th committee

01:19:49.760 talking about Trump or Steve Bannon or any of these guys.

01:19:53.060 It's like, I don't understand why they didn't look at it the way I did, why they haven't

01:19:57.340 tried to understand that world and who they are and what drives them and why they're they

01:20:02.100 have such a strong grassroots movement.

01:20:05.400 They never did that.

01:20:06.800 They're just selling this bizarre delusion that's been driven by the media that that that,

01:20:11.840 you know, America was attacked by a white supremacist army that is upset that black and

01:20:18.060 brown people are rising to power.

01:20:20.140 That's actually what they believe.

01:20:21.700 I don't know if they believe it or if they're just taking their cue from the media who's

01:20:26.540 taking and they're taking their cue from Twitter.

01:20:29.120 But it has created a really bizarre like they don't sound like they're living in the same

01:20:33.860 world as everybody else when they speak about Trump world, you know, and I think a lot more

01:20:39.200 people understand that.

01:20:40.920 When you talk about January 6th, I think it's fascinating to hear you say that was sort of

01:20:45.560 your moment when they you didn't you know, the way that they're the Democrats were handling

01:20:49.060 the January 6th investigation and the coverage of it and so on, because their whole goal,

01:20:54.900 I think, and they've telegraphed as much in The New York Times is to make people feel exactly

01:20:59.180 the opposite, you know, to shore up Democratic support and anger to to pull over more moderate

01:21:05.260 Republicans who might still be supporting Trump into hating him and realizing, you know,

01:21:09.560 hashtag never again. And it's interesting to me that you were somebody who was more left leaning,

01:21:15.300 who was like, no, this is having exactly the opposite effect on me.

01:21:19.800 So what is it? Because so the audience knows we're going into the the last big hearing,

01:21:25.400 the prime time, last big hearing, the January 6th committee is tomorrow night in prime time.

01:21:28.600 Um, and they expect to call two former White House aides. I'm just looking at my notes here.

01:21:35.180 Pair of Trump White House officials who quit on the spot over the Capitol insurrection. They just

01:21:39.180 use that word now in every news report. They are then Nappy, then Deputy National Security Advisor,

01:21:45.020 Matthew Pottinger, then White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews. And the understanding is

01:21:51.040 they are going to speak to Trump's 224 p.m. tweet attacking Vice President Mike Pence for not having

01:21:59.240 the courage to go along with overturning the election. The committee has played relatively

01:22:04.900 little of their prior videotaped testimony, but each witness weighed in on this event and the

01:22:09.380 portions that have been shown so far. We expect more of that. Again, I think this is from either

01:22:14.480 Washington Post or CNN. I'm quoting. Forgive me. I don't have a source in front of me. But in any

01:22:18.000 event, the big finish is tomorrow. So how was it that that coverage changed your mind?

01:22:25.180 Well, I had just gone on a cross country drive by myself, which I do every year. Um, and I,

01:22:30.140 you know, it had cleared my head. It got me offline. I wasn't as, as, you know, cause I listened to a lot

01:22:34.580 of, uh, you know, right wing channels or whatever. And then that does trigger you, you know, you get

01:22:39.480 upset. You're just like, I can't believe they did that. I can't, but I was, you know, I had cleared my

01:22:44.100 head and I was like, yeah, you know, I need to, uh, I need to start getting back to my, you know,

01:22:48.280 my roots and maybe, you know, the Democrats seem like they're focusing on something else.

01:22:53.060 And then I hear they're doing a prime time hearing with a television producer that was basically a,

01:23:00.380 they were coming into it with a guilty verdict already. And, and we don't do that in America,

01:23:05.400 right? You have presumption of innocence and, and that isn't what they did. We already know because

01:23:11.340 the minute Trump took office, they've been trying to remove him. They've been trying to find something,

01:23:16.600 anything they could get to bring him down. So why would they think that the public would,

01:23:21.240 Oh, now, okay, finally they got him, you know, but it's like, sure. If, if this was Watergate,

01:23:27.320 everything would have gone fine. Like Trump's, they would have treated Trump like an actual president,

01:23:32.180 which they didn't do not for one minute, not for four years. And then they found January 6th. Okay.

01:23:38.700 Maybe that, that seems like a valid thing, but after, you know, after so many endless prosecutions

01:23:45.480 of him every single day in the media on late night comedy in all of Hollywood and all of their vast

01:23:52.080 institutions of power to remove this one person who had been elected, it just, to me was really the

01:23:58.940 last straw. Like it just looked like they slipped into a kind of authoritarianism that I think is

01:24:06.320 unacceptable, um, in this country, even though it's Trump, even though it's someone people really

01:24:11.140 hate, it's still not a precedent that we want to set, you know, whatever happened on January 6th

01:24:17.360 should be dealt with as what happened. And, and just because they don't approve of Trump supporters,

01:24:22.320 they still deserve to have their questions answered, you know, that everybody in America does.

01:24:28.000 So on your sub stack, uh, you, you write the following. I thought this is so insightful.

01:24:33.960 Cassidy Hutchinson, that was their last big star witness. The, the woman who worked for,

01:24:38.340 uh, the, the chief of staff. This is the one who claimed Trump grabbed the wheel of the,

01:24:42.860 the beast or the SUV and tried to basically strangle a secret service agent. She writes,

01:24:48.980 uh, you write Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony is somewhat reminiscent of Amber Heard's.

01:24:53.700 It is sincere, but overly dramatic. She's pretty with a husky voice and definitely someone most 0.97

01:24:59.140 people would want to believe. But of course, her story is starting to fall apart for Hutchinson.

01:25:04.080 She essentially had no career left. Trump would not hire her after he left office. Her resume wasn't

01:25:09.600 going to get her much work. Ah, but to be a star witness for the left, she'll get the Liz Cheney 1.00

01:25:15.000 treatment. She'll get a golden ticket into the land of the special people, the ruling class MSNBC. 1.00

01:25:20.560 She might even make the cover of time. This, as opposed to starting out her political career

01:25:25.760 as Mark Meadows aid, she would have been tainted forever. Now she's a star. So insightful. That's

01:25:34.200 exactly right. And she, she got exact, I mean, they were, you heard the rhetoric about her, like

01:25:38.700 their, your grandchildren will be asking you about the name Cassidy Hutchinson and heard the day she

01:25:45.080 testified on Capitol Hill. Okay. I don't understand what happened to the media. I don't understand how

01:25:52.680 this, they slipped over into this kind of, you know, crazy propaganda, uh, movement that,

01:26:00.080 that they exist only to sort of bolster the Democrats. Like when did that become, I mean,

01:26:05.600 I kind of know, we all know, right. In the last four years of Trump calling, you know, antagonizing

01:26:10.380 them, calling them the enemy of the people they took aside, you know, but you're not supposed to

01:26:15.120 take aside. You're supposed to get the story. Correct. And yet it, on it goes. And now we're

01:26:21.300 facing another election, uh, the midterms coming up 2024. And I thought it was pretty astute in your

01:26:27.140 more recent piece on the left. Uh, you, you pointed out about how, hold on a second there. We continue to

01:26:34.100 hear the narrative about far right nationalism, far right nationalism, uh, you know, super MAGA,

01:26:40.520 Joe Biden might talk about it. The reason that stood out to me was just this past weekend, or I

01:26:45.740 don't know, short time ago, a couple of weekends, the New York times had a piece on quote, the rise

01:26:50.580 of the far right Latina. So you can't be a Republican Latina without being quote, are right and get 0.99

01:26:58.460 attacked by the New York times for, for caring about immigration, um, the 2020 election and

01:27:05.660 abortion. That's what makes you far right in the eyes of the New York times. Um, and you're just

01:27:11.900 gonna be something wrong with you, obviously, because no Latino self-respecting minority of 1.00

01:27:15.620 any kind would vote Republican. So this is what they do, right? As soon as it doesn't matter what

01:27:19.760 your identity credentials are. As soon as you start to sound like a right winger, you're a loon.

01:27:25.000 Mm-hmm. That's right. And that the, for the side that supposedly cares about equity,

01:27:30.460 it's always interesting to watch them, you know, really go after people like Larry Elder,

01:27:36.460 you know, uh, all the terrible things that Obama said about him. And so it, it isn't even about that

01:27:43.340 and they, they pretend that it is, but it's not, it's about ideological compliance. Um, and that's

01:27:49.880 frankly a scary place to be in this country. And especially on the left, you know, we used to

01:27:54.740 stand up for free expression, subversive art, freedom of speech. And now look at the entire

01:28:01.080 left. It's just, they're living in a climate of fear. No one can say anything. That's why,

01:28:06.320 you know, I'm out there saying these things that, you know, will get me screamed at, attacked. I've

01:28:11.500 been called everything. I mean, nothing like what, well, you have experienced Megan, but look at you

01:28:16.820 now, look at you now. So yeah, they can. Oh, my friend just, my friend was just visiting with me

01:28:22.520 and she's going through a trauma and she was teary and we were holding each other saying

01:28:27.220 goodbye. And, and I had some parting thoughts for her and she said something like, MK, you know,

01:28:32.320 how do you know the thing to say or something to that effect? It was a nice compliment. And I said,

01:28:35.860 oh, a lot of trauma. That's me. That's good. You know, now it's not pleasant in the moment,

01:28:41.100 but it's truly like if you pay attention and you try to glean some lessons from it, it's the key to

01:28:45.980 wisdom ultimately, or at least some semblance of it. Um, so what has happened in your personal life?

01:28:52.600 You know, if, because I, one of my dear, dear friends has been completely red pilled in New York

01:28:57.960 and she is losing friends left and right. She's being kicked out of groups. Her friends, I mean,

01:29:05.120 her kids' friends are kind of looking askance at her kids. I mean, it's been alarming.

01:29:11.000 Yeah. Well, it's funny because my close friends and family and, you know, they're all of them,

01:29:19.960 you know, I call it the Trump line, right? If you, if you, if you join them in their hatred and fear

01:29:25.500 and hysteria over Trump, then you can say whatever you want, right? So many people that we know in the

01:29:32.260 sort of free thinking substack world, they, they will never cross the Trump line. They always have

01:29:36.840 to say, Oh, well, Trump is a, you know, white supremacist, domestic terrorist threat to democracy

01:29:42.540 itself. That is such a good point. But if you humanize, you know, if you humanize Trump and you,

01:29:50.180 like I do, you listen to Steve Bannon's podcast and, you know, it horrifies them and you can hear

01:29:56.000 it in their voice. And I say, it doesn't make me a Trump supporter. Oh yes, it does. Yes, it does.

01:30:01.780 You're a Trump supporter. And I'm like, well, I'm not, but I'm, I'm curious about this, you know,

01:30:07.900 this, this culture, these people that I don't know that you're telling me I have to treat like

01:30:11.980 human garbage. And you know what? I'm not going to do that. So if it bothers them, I don't know what

01:30:17.640 to do about that. My personal life. Well, I'm very much alone. I'm making new friends though. That's

01:30:24.140 the good thing. You know, I am making friends and, and some of my friends will tolerate this as long as

01:30:28.560 we don't talk about politics. You know, where do you live? I live in Burbank, California.

01:30:35.460 I can't set you up with my New York friend of, you know, ex Democrats. They're like, they're,

01:30:40.600 they're questioning, I guess the LGBTQ community might call it questioning what they've been spoon 0.98

01:30:47.000 fed. And of course the truth is that the democratic party has changed so dramatically that who the hell

01:30:52.920 knows what it even means in today's day and age to be a Democrat or to be a liberal. Like it's very

01:30:57.620 unclear. No. And they've been sort of overtaken by a, I think a kind of religion, you know, they,

01:31:04.140 they, they believe what they believe in. They demand that you believe it too. And if you don't,

01:31:09.180 they will punish you. So I think this is the problem. Like, I think there actually are some

01:31:13.660 reasonable Democrats, but this is why they're going to have a problem in 2024. Um, and November is that 0.55

01:31:20.040 not a single one of them will stand up to the insanity that everybody in America sees, except

01:31:25.920 this small group of like Twitter blue checks who, uh, influence the media and the media,

01:31:32.560 you know, puts it on their show and that trickles down into some people's homes, but less people are

01:31:38.280 watching those shows. Um, and so they're, you know, they're, they're painting themselves into a

01:31:43.880 corner, even Gavin Newsom, someone like that. He's not going to go against the doctrine of the left

01:31:49.460 and he's going to continue because they somehow believe that generation Z is going to be on their

01:31:54.620 side and turn out to vote and they better not upset generation Z, but they're leaving the majority

01:32:00.840 behind. You know, it's the same old story. It's the silent majority. Um, any Democrat who came out and,

01:32:07.520 and pushed back in a really strong way, um, they would do extremely well with the public. They just

01:32:14.420 haven't figured that out yet. They don't want the bad headlines and they don't want to get attacked

01:32:17.860 on Twitter. You know, is it true even in California amongst the bluest of the blue States?

01:32:25.680 I don't ever have a conversation with a single person here who is pleased with what the Democrats

01:32:31.780 have become. Not a single person. I see a lot of people in the street. They'll, they'll probably,

01:32:37.320 you know, you were talking about, uh, the Dobbs thing and, and that could be a dividing line for

01:32:42.660 people. Like I could see that happening. They say, well, I hate both parties, but I, I want a woman 0.96

01:32:47.480 to be able to, you know, choose whether to have an abortion or not. So I'm going to vote Democrat,

01:32:53.400 whoever it is. I don't care who it is because that that's the line for me. You know, I could

01:32:57.940 see that happening. On the other hand, the Democrats in their complete and total insanity

01:33:02.520 have somehow switched the conversation from pro-choice, which it was throughout my whole life

01:33:08.520 to abortion. Right. We all knew in the eighties and nineties that, you know, you fight this fight

01:33:15.660 without drawing attention to abortion, you know, and now it's like abortion, abortion, abortion,

01:33:21.320 come to California and get your abortions. I'm proud of my abortion, my abortion, my abortion. And

01:33:26.280 you're just like, you know, any woman who's ever been pregnant and had a kid, you know, something

01:33:31.960 just, you know, they, they feel that. So I don't think it's the right path for them.

01:33:37.480 That's exactly right. We used to be, I mean, in the news, we used to be chastised if we said

01:33:41.980 pro-abortion and anti-abortion because the left would be like, we're not pro-abortion.

01:33:47.500 We're just pro-choice. A lot of us would never have an abortion. We just want to make sure

01:33:51.500 that a choice is available for people. And I think a lot of Americans feel that way,

01:33:55.200 but it's crossed over. They wear that pro-abortion label quite proudly, like with the women at the

01:34:02.460 Supreme Court with the nine month pregnant belly and the circle drawn around it that reads,

01:34:07.260 this is not a baby. All right, lunatic. Who, who exactly are you shoring up on your side with that?

01:34:15.160 No, that is, especially as, you know, infertility is, is, you know, women are having trouble with

01:34:21.260 that and everybody knows what a miracle it is to be pregnant. Everybody loves their kids and,

01:34:26.180 and for them to go into this, this sort of mass hysteria over, you know, overturning gay marriage

01:34:31.260 or, uh, the loving decision abortion or, you know, that's a different thing because it involves

01:34:37.080 another human being, you know, and, and people aren't stupid. They know that, but the Democrats

01:34:42.100 are clinging to that. They have, they have only fear to sell and they hope that it, it brings out

01:34:47.260 the voters. And that makes me really sad. You know, they need stronger leadership. They need to offer

01:34:52.460 people look for all the negativity at Trump, his rallies, they were pure love fests, you know,

01:34:59.280 people dancing to credence, having a good time. It was like a pocket of joy in a really miserable

01:35:05.680 season. He made them feel good. Um, they were happy, you know, in any Trump rally you watch now,

01:35:11.880 you'll see that same vibe. Well, so much so that they're still getting the band together. You know,

01:35:17.420 you'll see Trump rallies just randomly on the corner. It's like, wait, he's not there. It's just,

01:35:23.520 you know, they love him. So yeah, there's something very joyful about it. I will say,

01:35:27.680 I think it's great that you started by listening to people on the other side of the aisle.

01:35:32.080 There was a young woman, uh, she's young and new. She's a producer and she's definitely from the left

01:35:37.540 wing. And she talked to me about her future. And I said, here's the first thing you need to do every

01:35:41.780 morning. You should do what I do. Listen to NPR's little morning podcast and listen to morning wire,

01:35:48.400 which is from the daily wire. And just start, just start chipping away at the bias that's been

01:35:54.080 indoctrinated inside of you for the first 22 years of your life. Sasha, I got to run at your

01:35:59.300 amazing. Sasha stone.substack.com. What a pleasure. Thank you, Megan.

01:36:07.360 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

01:36:24.080 Thanks for listening.

01:36:32.820 I'll see you next time.

01:36:37.680 I'll be right back.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 20, 2022

AOC Pretends to Get Handcuffed, and Border Chaos, with Dan Abrams, Ali Bradley, and Sasha Stone ｜ Ep. 361

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