AOC and Ilhan Omar use fake handcuffs to fool the police outside the Supreme Court, and then they demand you and I pay for their security at every turn. Megyn kelly talks to Dan Abrams about the tactics and tactics used by the so-called "Capitol Police" to make their point.
00:02:51.960And you probably would have an officer saying, you know, we were moving them.
00:02:56.660And I don't know, they looked like they were and, you know, we were we were just pushing them out of the out of the way.
00:03:07.620And I don't know why they had their hands behind their back.
00:03:10.340And, you know, and so they would be talking to camera sort of in this very monotone way that police tend to do, explaining exactly what what did and didn't happen there.
00:03:22.220It's like, do they not know the magic of videotape will show whether you have the cuffs on you or they're just only planning on shots from afar that might just capture the arms backward and the wrist cross.
00:03:34.740Like, we can see that there are no handcuffs.
00:03:38.160But, you know, I have to say that when I first saw this, right, like the first time I heard about the protests, I didn't even know where they were.
00:03:44.660Right. And I got nervous that they were actually at the justices homes.
00:03:49.200And and so I have been much more concerned about protests at the justices homes than I am about a people who are protesting at the court.
00:03:57.440Right. Meaning go for you want to protest at the Supreme Court.
00:04:00.980That's the place you should be doing it.
00:04:02.480You want to block traffic. You're going to get arrested.
00:05:08.480And the answer has to be with regard to these sort of orchestrated arrests.
00:05:14.300Yes. Certainly, I think, again, the protests at the homes of the justices, that the impact isn't there that you would hope that it would have the the one congresswoman, Ilan Omar.
00:05:26.240She's a Democrat from Minnesota. Her office said in a press release ahead of the demonstration, quote, these types of protests have led to arrests of lawmakers in the past.
00:05:35.740Like they're titillating people with it.
00:05:38.180They're trying to say, tune in to see if she'll get arrested.
00:05:41.620And then the police were so respectful and non confrontational.
00:05:46.340They had to make up the drama with the fake cuffs.
00:05:49.100One reporter at the scene, Jennifer Shutt of States Newsroom, reports that the handcuffs, that there were no handcuffs, there were no zip ties, that they were quietly and politely brought to a shaded area to be processed.
00:06:05.940One of the officers told all those detained that they were getting them all water.
00:06:10.260They were chatting it up and that it had turned into something of a media row with several interviews happening at once with the press like they want us to believe they're basically George Floyd out there encountering Derek Chauvin.
00:06:22.980Well, you know, one of the things that always sort of irks me, and this is sort of related, is you sometimes see protests right going on.
00:06:31.440I'm not saying in this particular example, but you'll see 10 people at a, quote, protest, right?
00:06:37.880And they'll say there were protests outside the courthouse today.
00:06:40.820And there are literally 10 people in a circle and 15 to 50 members of the media there, right?
00:06:48.520Surrounding these 10 people, 10 people with signs being held up because they announced they were going to hold a protest.
00:06:54.640And almost no one shows up except for the media, right?
00:06:58.020And then you see on the air just the focus on the 10 people there, right?
00:07:02.660And it says, protest today outside the courthouse.
00:07:05.200And it's like, no, there weren't protests.
00:07:07.360There were 10 people with signs who told everyone that they were going to go there.
00:07:23.480And it's, you know, I've been very concerned about the protests and the doxing of the justices, et cetera, that has been going on outside their homes.
00:07:34.760Which is why, you know, I'm inclined to stay when it comes to what's happening at the Supreme Court.
00:07:53.060Because she was very defensive of protests, as she has been all along, of the justices and had no problem with Justice Kavanaugh being harassed right out of Morton's Steakhouse.
00:08:03.720And, you know, kind of sent out a tweet saying, oh, boo hoo.
00:08:08.920And then seemed very upset when she was on Capitol Hill and some loser heckled her and called her a big booty Latina and got very mad at the Capitol Hill police for not stopping him.
00:08:39.800Encourage people in 2018 to sort of go up, approach, confront these people in private settings.
00:08:47.960And the reason is because no matter where you are on the on the on the political spectrum, we all agree that there are real mental health issues in this country.
00:08:58.060And we're seeing that day after day after day.
00:09:00.420And I get very concerned about people who are encouraging folks to approach these leaders in their private lives because of what may happen.
00:09:14.020And I don't want to be covering after the fact what happened to one of these people where we look back and we say, well, this is a guy who was consuming this kind of media and was listening to people saying that it's OK to go and approach people in public places, et cetera.
00:09:34.660Again, there's a place for this stuff to happen.
00:09:51.340There's a reason that regardless of the constitutionality, there's a reason these laws were put on the books against this stuff at private homes.
00:09:59.320And it's because it can be just downright dangerous.
00:10:04.280Twitter finally suspended the account of Ruth sent us, which is the one that had published the justices home addresses and encouraged people to go protest.
00:10:18.420One of those two reached out and said, why did it take you two months to suspend this account, which, you know, is stirring up all sorts of trouble for these justices?
00:10:28.200You know, they're very quick to suspend people like Jordan Peterson, who made a not nice comment about Elliot Page, formerly Ellen Page, but really slow to shut down publication of the justices home addresses housing their children.
00:10:41.720Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about the timing, but I completely agree that when you are doxing the justices and putting their home addresses and information out there, that that that's a real it's a real concern and it should be a concern to to everyone when that happens.
00:11:06.540What do you what do you make of the Supreme Court leaker? Where's the Supreme Court leaker, Dan?
00:11:12.060You're you're a lawyer. Yeah, that's a famous, famous First Amendment lawyer.
00:11:16.300Love Floyd. So you've been connected to the law and the justices and you know how this game works from, you know, your time in the cradle.
00:11:26.800Yeah, I mean, look, you know, they obviously haven't found the person. Right.
00:11:31.240We don't know exactly sort of how much of an investigation has gone on.
00:11:35.320And I'll bet there has been one. I mean, they were really upset about this.
00:11:40.300I mean, the justices, et cetera. You know, the fundamental question comes down to this.
00:11:45.160Right. It was obviously an activist on one side or the other.
00:11:50.360And by the way, I happen to think that there are legitimate arguments on both sides for why someone would have wanted this out.
00:11:56.780But it's what the fundamental question that has to be asked is, was it someone who had access to the opinion or was it someone peripheral who happened by accident to get access to it?
00:12:09.800Right. And and if it was someone who did it on purpose, someone who was one of the clerks, someone who worked at the court, we do need to know that.
00:12:18.080I mean, that is dangerous business. You know, the other possibility is person goes to their house.
00:12:24.500Someone at the house happens to see opinion there and, you know, makes it public.
00:12:31.880I think it's a less likely scenario. But that's the key question, because forget about what happened in the past.
00:12:38.540I'm concerned about what happens in the future. And it really does so much to undermine the faith in the court.
00:12:45.520And I say this all the time. I don't care what your view is of the Supreme Court.
00:12:50.340I don't care if you disagree with opinions, if you agree with them.
00:12:55.620There are ways to criticize opinions of the court without trying to completely delegitimize the court.
00:13:01.800We need a court that is going to make the final calls, even if you totally disagree with a lot of them.
00:13:10.480But, you know, you see sometimes the court, you know, will come down with an opinion recently every once in a while with an opinion that liberals may like.
00:13:20.620And they'll say, well, you know, in this case, OK, it's it's like you don't get to pick and choose when the court gets to be legitimized.
00:13:28.340Yes. Criticize the court. Yes. Explain why you disagree with it. Yes. Explain why you think the ruling is disingenuous.
00:13:36.480No, don't suggest that the entire court is illegitimate, is illegitimate because that's dangerous.
00:13:43.620Here's a question for you. Is there any chance they know who it is?
00:13:48.460The marshal has discovered who it is and it's being covered up because, for example, it's a justice.
00:13:56.900It's and Chief Justice Roberts doesn't want that getting out.
00:14:00.240I mean, is there any chance something that nefarious could be afoot?
00:14:04.420You know, it's funny before you before you finished your sentence, I was going to say the only kind of person that could happen for would be one of the justices.
00:14:11.700And then you said if it were one of the justices.
00:14:14.380Because, you know, Roberts is so concerned about the integrity of the court, you know, an institutionalist, blah, blah, blah.
00:14:19.340But it would get out. It would get out. There's just no way you can. It's too big a secret. Right.
00:14:26.420Meaning meaning that in this day and age, keeping that secret.
00:14:31.920Wow. That would be astonishing to suggest that the Chief Justice knew about it.
00:14:38.900I mean, you know, again, some people say, well, maybe it was the Chief Justice himself, you know, but I don't think it was one of the justices.
00:14:45.480I think that there's too much risk. And I think that that even if one of the only way a justice could do it.
00:14:52.520Right. I'm just like thinking it out. They'd have to do it directly. Right.
00:14:58.420It couldn't be through somebody else. Right. Because we all know when you hire a hitman, they always get caught because the hiring process always gets exposed. Right.
00:15:07.440So in a case like this, you can't like have someone else do it.
00:15:11.340If it was one of the justices, they would have had to have done it directly.
00:15:15.860And I just think it's so far fetched to to believe that.
00:15:20.700And I guess I probably don't want to believe it either.
00:15:23.660It's just so strange that we don't know yet. It seems to me a rather simple investment.
00:15:29.420You know, you get the cell phone, you get the email, you get them to sign the sworn statement, get it, get all the clerks and everybody with access to sign his foreign statement.
00:15:37.400And, you know, if a if somebody won't do it, that's, you know, a red flag.
00:15:43.500And B, if they all do it and then you keep digging and you find out the person's done it and you've got them, you know, you've got them on a crime.
00:15:51.660But it just seems to me that like, yeah, I've been saying my my pal Phil Houston, who wrote Spy the Lie, he was at the CIA for 25 years.
00:15:58.020He could figure this out in a day. Like I have I don't have that much faith in the U.S.
00:16:04.080I don't know. I don't know. It's not I don't think it's quite I guess I don't think it's as easy as as you do, meaning that you've got enough people who have access to it.
00:16:11.940That if they take it and and and they were unprepared for something like this to happen.
00:16:17.060Right. Meaning in terms of like keeping track of everything, I think before this happened, there wasn't a particularly effective system of tracking exactly who would have access.
00:16:30.060So I think there were enough people. Oh, no, it's Dan. It's like the line from Animal House.
00:16:37.680But I think that there are enough people that if they take it outside of their, you know, the the the work, you know, their work phone, their work, email, et cetera, that there's certainly a way to, you know, to go hand deliver something like this.
00:16:53.180And and and not get caught. I mean, look, think about how long it took us to find out who Deep Throat was.
00:16:59.860You would think that. But yeah, but you have a collectible pool of suspects.
00:17:05.980And so that's why you need an expert like a like a professional lie detector like Bill to come in and he can see your body language.
00:17:12.720He knows like right now I can tell you're telling me the truth because you're not doing any of the things.
00:17:16.500No hands above the midline, no touching your face, in particular, your nose, your ears.
00:17:21.160You're not repeating the question. You're not engaging in convincing behavior.
00:17:25.040There are all sorts of things that a true expert can use to tell whether you are lying and they can do it across cultures.
00:17:32.060They can do it with professional spies. They can do it with terrorists.
00:17:35.600So they could certainly do it with these Supreme Court clerks who are Ivy, ivory tower types.
00:17:40.780I mean, there's no way they could fool Phil.
00:17:42.740I just feel like they're phoning it in and there must be a reason they're phoning it in.
00:18:11.380And just for people who didn't watch it, tell us what it was before we get to its demise and its resurrection.
00:18:16.700So it was a show that followed police in real time, numerous departments around the country with multiple cameras in each city and bouncing between departments, depending on what was happening.
00:18:31.780There would be in-studio analysis from two former police officers, one former, one current at the time, providing perspective on what they were doing and why they were doing it, etc.
00:18:44.760And look, the show was a massive, a massive hit, I think, for a number of reasons that a I think people are interested in policing.
00:18:54.200But B, I think that there was also the uncertainty, the same way that police officers are uncertain about what happens next, right?
00:19:04.160And when you're a police officer, you don't know what's going to happen when you pull over a vehicle.
00:19:08.700You get a 911 call about a suspect who is, you know, waving a gun.
00:19:16.040Very often, that initial call doesn't provide you with the perspective.
00:19:21.360So you arrive at a scene pretty uncertain as to who's where and what's happening, etc.
00:19:26.340And that's what this show, what Live PD showed in the past and what this new show will show,
00:19:33.200which is being able to see it from the perspective of a police officer in real time.
00:19:38.700Now, you have somewhat of a delay just to be responsible and make sure you're not showing very graphic,
00:19:44.720something that, you know, people shouldn't have in their homes and sitting there watching with kids, what have you.
00:19:49.800But other than that, people are there.
00:19:51.720They're sort of there live on the scene watching the cops a few minutes after it happens as it happens.
00:19:57.700Right. So I'm I'm shooting it in real time, meaning as the host, etc., we're doing it live as if it's live.
00:20:04.880There is a delay, as you point out, to ensure, for example, there isn't an undercover cop who's in the shot or a child
00:20:12.340or someone makes some incredibly libelous allegation about, you know, somebody else without any proof, etc.
00:20:19.540Those are all the sorts of things that we need to have a delay for.
00:20:23.280But as you point out, it's just a few minute delay.
00:20:25.420But I'm not really impacted by it as the host because I'm still filming it in in real time.
00:20:32.500Yeah. OK, so you're it was hugely successful.
00:20:35.200People bonded with it. They they loved the show Cops.
00:22:28.080So, now, let's talk about what everyone else, what the majority of police officers do every day in this country.
00:22:38.560And that's what this show, On Patrol Live, is showing people.
00:22:43.620It's going to be showing what it's like to be a police officer in a variety of different kinds of departments.
00:22:49.440We've got city police departments like Patterson, New Jersey.
00:22:52.200We've got sheriff's departments like Richland County, South Carolina, where, throughout the country, in eight departments, bouncing between them.
00:22:59.700But, most importantly, it allows you to see it through the lens of an officer.
00:23:03.560And, by the way, there may be things that people see on the show where they watch it and they say, I disagree.
00:23:08.560I don't think a police officer should have done that.
00:23:35.400And that is certainly going to be the case on Patrol Live, is we're there to chronicle it, we're there to show you what's happening, and then we're there to provide some perspective on, you know, what's happening and why it's happening.
00:23:51.060And, again, yeah, there'll be people who watch it and say, oh, you know, that cop shouldn't have done that.
00:26:29.680I mean, I know it's going to be a hit and it's probably going to help Reels grow and get more distribution, which is good.
00:26:34.300And then hopefully next time around, there'll be a huge bidding war.
00:26:37.460And Dan Abrams, the king of all media, will just add it to the top of his huge already building Sunday.
00:26:43.840Now, one of the things that you mentioned is look what's happened with police, you know, and the rising crime rates and the depression of cops.
00:26:50.060And there was just a piece on Fox News dot com.
00:26:52.800Actually, it's there right now about the number of police who have committed suicide over this past year.
00:26:57.320Three Chicago cops just committed suicide in July alone.
00:27:01.260So this this whole narrative about the cops has been very damaging in profound ways.
00:27:06.720But the crime rate has been profoundly damaging to communities as well, communities of color and and none.
00:27:14.060And there was news over the past couple of weeks in your city and until recently mine, New York, about this bodega worker.
00:27:22.680You know, you go to New York City, you see these guys on the corner.
00:27:29.940And this one worker, Jose Alba, got into this confrontation with this a woman who was trying to buy, I think, I don't know, a snack for her 10 year old daughter.
00:27:40.540Turned out the woman didn't have the money.
00:27:42.540Jose, that sounds like not entirely politely, pulled the snack out of the daughter's hands.
00:27:48.840And, you know, they didn't have the money.
00:27:50.980So he pulled it out and the woman started threatening him, saying, my boyfriend's coming back to F you up.
00:27:55.660Lo and behold, the boyfriend came back.
00:28:13.740And I mean, you can see he's towering over Jose Alba and threatened him, held him by the collar, pushed him up against the shelves, pushed him out of the employee area.
00:28:24.900And Alba grabbed a knife from the shelf and stabbed Austin Simon, killing him.
00:28:29.900So the D.A. in New York, who prosecutes no crime, Alvin Bragg, comparatively, decides this is one he wants to go after.
00:28:57.340Because I think there's so much about our society built into the story.
00:29:00.660First of all, let me add one more detail to that, which is that the D.A. asked for $500,000 bail to make sure that he wouldn't be released pending trial at Rikers Island, right?
00:29:16.620So it starts even worse, which is that he's that they want to make sure that he stays in Rikers pending this quote unquote investigation, right?
00:29:28.660Because now the D.A. puts out this statement making it sound like, well, we've concluded an investigation and we've concluded that we couldn't prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:29:37.860OK, well, then what the heck were you doing insisting during your investigation that this guy had to stay behind bars at Rikers without bail?
00:29:48.420I mean, if you want to tell me you're going to investigate, fair enough.
00:29:52.100Investigate. You want to charge him? Charge him.
00:29:54.160But at least let him be free in the meantime while you're doing your quote unquote investigation.
00:29:58.500Yeah, this case was a real a real problem.
00:30:00.920And the reason it was a problem is because we haven't learned anything new between the time that he was charged and the time that he decided not to charge him, right?
00:30:12.760So, you know, you try and explain, like, what is the explanation for this?
00:30:17.700Apart from he got pressured and shamed into into not doing it.
00:30:22.160Is there any possible legal explanation?
00:30:25.060I can't think of one because they've had the videos, which you just showed, which make it clear.
00:30:31.120And there are multiple angles, by the way, too.
00:30:33.700At one point, Alba is even being attacked by Simon's girlfriend at the same time.
00:30:41.880So, you know, this poor guy is back there.
00:30:45.260And as you know this from having been in New York, these bodegas are tiny.
00:30:49.420Like, I don't I don't even know that the video does it justice in how small an area this is, that this confrontation occurs.
00:30:58.820And this guy doesn't have anywhere to run or to go.
00:31:02.440And so the fact that he was immediately charged, it really we deserve some answers on why they were so aggressive against him, not just in the charge, but also in the bail in connection with this case.
00:31:17.200And all I can say is, thank goodness they came to their senses.
00:33:02.540There is a crisis at the southern border.
00:33:10.420You might not know it if you watch the mainstream media, but we have more illegal immigrants pouring in to the country this year than ever before.
00:33:18.780So what is the administration doing about it?
00:33:35.260OK, so let's let's start with the numbers, because it took a while to get the June numbers.
00:33:40.320May was a record bad month when it comes to illegal immigrants trying to sneak across the southern border and having these interactions with law enforcement.
00:33:48.700And June wasn't quite as bad as May, but record setting setting in its own right.
00:34:01.740And all of my intel within CBP tell me that DHS has these numbers weeks in advance, that basically the media pushing on them is what gets these numbers released on top of a court case that that really makes them do it by the 15th of every month.
00:34:15.460So it is something that we kind of have to push on every month to to get released.
00:34:19.640But when you said these numbers are record setting, you're exactly right.
00:34:23.060June put us over the threshold from last year.
00:34:26.060The whole entire fiscal year of 2021, we saw about one point seven, three, four million encounters.
00:34:31.920Now we still have three months left of reporting for fiscal year 22.
00:34:36.060We're already at one point seven, four, six million.
00:34:39.220That means it's about eleven thousand more than all of last year.
00:34:43.060So we still have some time, like you said.
00:34:45.480And it is very problematic right now because the resources just aren't there.
00:34:49.980And you look at how many people they returned under Title 42 last year and you compare that with this year.
00:34:55.580There's a stark contrast there as well.
00:34:57.840While we have surpassed last year's numbers, we've sent substantially less back under Title 42.
00:35:03.320We're talking to the tune of about two hundred and fifteen thousand people less than what we sent back under the health code last year.
00:35:10.520Well, what does that mean to to people?
00:35:11.980And Title 42 is the title that allows you to say we're not listening to any asylum or other claims.
00:35:19.620So the Trump administration put it into place and we used it to great effect.
00:35:22.920And then Joe Biden's administration was effectively forced by the courts to continue it for now.
00:35:27.100But but what does that mean that we're not using it as much or as robustly?
00:35:31.920Yeah. So the Biden administration has obviously come out openly saying that they're going to actively appeal Title 42.
00:35:37.520We've seen this happen over over the course of the last few months under this administration.
00:35:41.380But what it really breaks down to is we're seeing more people and we're seeing less people being returned.
00:35:47.140Right. So under this administration, it's very clear what the idea is and what the I hate the word agenda.
00:35:52.940But what the agenda is, because if you're if you're having more people come in and you're returning less and you're also detaining less and you're also going more lackadaisical on your approach when it comes to tracking people,
00:36:04.320that has a really wide impact. And we're seeing it in New York.
00:36:08.180We're seeing it in Washington, D.C., where the mayors are both, you know, calling out for additional resources,
00:36:14.100which is just kind of a whole bag of hypocrisy because these border communities have been calling for help for two years.
00:36:21.000They've been calling on the Biden administration to simply call this a crisis.
00:36:24.900And that hasn't happened still to this day.
00:36:27.260They haven't even deemed it a crisis. And so it's one of those things where these numbers all break down and you see it.
00:36:32.340And how do you deny that it is a crisis?
00:36:35.260I have to say and, you know, take this in the proper way.
00:36:39.260I love what's happening in New York with the with the undocumented workers trying to come in because for so long, I mean, all my years on Fox,
00:36:48.080this was a southern border problem. And everybody where I lived in New York could just be like, oh, it's America.
00:36:54.620We accept immigrants, illegal, legal. What's the problem?
00:36:58.740They take the jobs that nobody else wants. Right. That was that's the line up in the northeast.
00:37:03.800And now people like Governor Greg Abbott of Texas are getting smart and shipping the immigrants,
00:37:10.280the illegal immigrants to places like Washington, D.C. and New York City and saying, here's what the problem is.
00:37:16.560You live with this and then you tell us what a non problem it is in New York City.
00:37:21.900The homeless shelters right now are being overrun with asylum seeking, seeking migrants.
00:37:26.900There are nearly three thousand who've arrived in just recent weeks, says the mayor, Eric Adams.
00:37:33.940He's calling on President Biden to send additional federal resources immediately so that they can handle the overflow.
00:37:39.480Saying if we don't get these resources, we're not going to be able to provide the level of support that anybody here deserves.
00:37:46.220And he says, look, the burden included families arising, arriving on buses sent by the Texas and Arizona governments.
00:37:52.900And he says, actually, the federal government sends some here, too.
00:37:56.720And the feds haven't the White House didn't respond to a request for comment.
00:37:59.760But, you know, we heard those stories early on by the Post and others about all these migrants being blown up to Westchester County, New York,
00:38:06.740and then driven off somewhere. We didn't know where.
00:38:09.680I think it's good that non southern border towns are having to experience this.
00:38:12.760Well, and that's the idea, too. When I asked Governor Greg Abbott, what is the difference between you sending buses of migrants,
00:38:19.360you know, to anywhere USA versus the NGOs doing it, both with taxpayer dollars?
00:38:24.860What's the difference, really? And he said it's really to move these people out of the communities along the border
00:38:29.340and to bring them to the back, you know, to the backyards and the doorsteps of Washington, D.C.
00:38:34.240And I think it's really interesting that the mayor in New York brings up that these buses are coming from Texas and Arizona.
00:38:40.520They're not. The buses are strictly going to Washington, D.C.
00:38:43.700I talked to the governor's spokesperson last night.
00:38:46.560They sent one hundred and thirty five buses, roughly about fifty one hundred people to Washington, D.C.
00:38:51.980NGOs, they all post about how grateful they are for these free bus tickets,
00:38:56.440because if they have a destination in the northeast, Washington, D.C. is close and it's a good option.
00:39:01.540So they voluntarily get on this bus, which Muriel Bowser had said that they were being tricked into.
00:39:06.840But they're voluntarily getting on these buses. They get asked.
00:39:09.960They aren't forced on any buses from what these NGOs tell me.
00:39:13.140And they literally post on their social media pages.
00:39:15.940Thank you. We're incredibly grateful for these free buses to Washington, D.C. and to the East Coast.
00:39:20.660So these people that they're seeing in New York are from ICE releases.
00:39:24.400They are from people not staying in Washington, D.C. either and migrating up to New York and to other northeastern states.
00:39:31.540So it's really interesting. But we do know that NGOs are busing people all over as well.
00:39:36.460They're bringing them to San Antonio from San Antonio.
00:39:39.320They get on a Greyhound bus from there and they go somewhere else.
00:39:42.060And that is all through government contracts. These NGOs are non-government organizations,
00:39:46.120but they work directly with CBP, which is Customs and Border Protection.
00:39:50.020As soon as they're processed, they're brought to these NGOs and dropped off.
00:39:54.800Now, ICE releases are a little bit different.
00:39:56.520If they're in a detention facility, then the ICE buses will basically take them to San Antonio as well.
00:41:56.160The thing that the governor, he's proud of that.
00:41:58.460He's, you know, proud that the state of Texas stops all those drugs from coming in.
00:42:01.980But that's not through Operation Lone Star.
00:42:04.120Operation Lone Star is his own kind of operation that he implemented a few years ago, about two years ago now, where it's additional resources from the state of Texas that basically go after drug smugglers.
00:42:16.400They have the right to arrest for trespassing, things like that.
00:42:23.420So what the governor talks about often, and we're seeing this right now, I actually have a friend of mine and another journalist who's in the Big Ben sector right now.
00:42:30.360And what's happening with a lot of the drug smuggling is it's coming in through the holes.
00:42:35.160When these borders are unmanned, which we know that they are right now because they're so maxed out processing and transporting these hundreds of migrants that are coming over every day, they're coming over in groups of 500.
00:42:46.920So when that happens and you're already short-staffed along the border, all of your resources go to that.
00:42:53.380That's a humanitarian crisis in its own, just like we see them force families across with little ones when the river's high because Amistad Lake Dam is out.
00:43:01.940And so they've got very, very inhumane conditions that they have to cross in.
00:43:06.200Cartel and coyotes, you said they run the border.
00:43:09.320So what they're doing is they're forcing across these families to create a humanitarian crisis so that over here, we can sneak in drugs and we can sneak in people and we can force people across over here while they're distracted with this shiny object over here.
00:43:26.340They are getting caught with bundles of weed, of fentanyl, of cocaine on their backpacks, 50-pound packs that these people are carrying.
00:43:34.120And that's happening in more of these remote areas in the middle of the desert.
00:43:38.460And again, when you don't have the resources to stop all of that and you don't have the resources to plug the holes because the wall is not done, contrary to most people's beliefs, you've got problems and you're going to have drugs getting in and a lot of gotaways.
00:43:53.920We're at 490,000 known gotaways for last year or for this year, excuse me.
00:43:59.900That is the ones that they see on cameras or the ones that they see in a bailout pursuit and they are not caught.
00:44:07.580That's that's that the gotaways are not counted in the 1.7 million that we're at thus far and counting three years, three months before the end of the fiscal year.
00:44:18.540And again, every single Border Patrol agent, every single law enforcement agent I've talked to over the last year in my coverage tells me that numbers at least double.
00:44:26.060They say they say for everyone that we catch to get by us.
00:44:31.380So, you know, when they have a pursuit and the car crashes like what happened in Kinney County last night, they had another pursuit, which they get pursuits regularly because it's thoroughfare that human smugglers and drug smugglers use to get through to, you know, get through and evade law enforcement.
00:44:45.080So they go through there because there's not a lot of active checkpoints.
00:44:48.400And so last night they had a bailout pursuit, a rollover, and they confiscated an AK-47, Megan.
00:44:55.440So right now what they're dealing with in these border communities is what the sheriff told me.
00:45:00.300He said it's getting serious as if it wasn't already enough for them.
00:45:03.860You know, the sheriff there has said that they're under siege.
00:45:06.040There's a picture of that gun there that they confiscated.
00:45:08.160They also confiscated a .40 caliber Glock on that same driver who they arrested.
00:45:13.560And that is going to be their priority is the driver.
00:45:17.000They're going to go after the driver who is 99.9% a U.S. citizen.
00:45:22.140And we're seeing more and more teenagers that were recruited off Snapchat or Instagram or whatever it might be.
00:45:28.320But they're recruited off these social media platforms by cartel and coyotes.
00:45:34.140And so they go after the driver first, and then they get lucky if they can catch all the people that ultimately what they say is bail out.
00:45:42.580As soon as a car stops, everybody jumps out of the car and runs.
00:45:46.080And so that's what they're up against in a lot of these counties that don't necessarily their border counties, but they don't line the Rio Grande.
00:45:53.540They only have 14 miles along the river.
00:46:51.960You get a kid who goes to high school, is going off to college and God forbid gets offered a pill that's laced with fentanyl from one of these guys who brought it across in a backpack or what have you.
00:47:02.000I mean, the death and the carnage that results from that open border is untold and it will remain untold because the media has almost no interest in it.
00:47:12.040Stand by because there's more with Ali, including the reaction from the head of DHS about this.
00:47:16.340It's stunningly tone deaf, deaf, and we will get to it in one second.
00:47:24.520So Secretary Mayorkas comes out in the wake of these.
00:47:28.500He's now he's aware of the devastating June numbers at the time he makes these comments.
00:47:33.220And again, like this is two Animal House references in one show, like Kevin Bacon at the end, when all hell has broken loose on the streets of the campus, basically tells the rampant crowd all is well.
00:48:22.240I have said to a number of legislators who expressed to me that we need to address the challenge at the border before they pass legislation.
00:48:38.200And I take issue with the math of holding the solution hostage until the problem is resolved.
00:49:42.220You tell me again that the border is secure and that we have operational control.
00:49:46.620Right now, I actually just got a message from one of my ICE sources that I talk to regularly.
00:49:51.440And Megan, they've actually posted on Dilley's PureSol online sale and trade.
00:49:57.160So now they're taking to these, you know, garage sale website pages on Facebook to ask for help.
00:50:03.200They're literally posting from one of their facilities, the ICE detention facility in Dilley,
00:50:08.320asking people to volunteer and to step up and to take these jobs that are available.
00:50:13.000So if that's operational control, then I don't I don't I don't want to see what chaos looks like.
00:50:20.220Yeah, I hate to see what true invasion is.
00:50:23.200So so I mentioned it in our last segment, but one of the problems of these so-called bailouts that you just referenced where the the migrants get chased.
00:50:34.720It never ends well, but then they bail out of their cars and run in all different directions when the cops get too close or when they have a car accident and they all just run in different directions.
00:50:43.000Is a boy who cried wolf resistance by the local community in Uvalde in particular by the school to the real threat.
00:50:54.920This has already come out now that this I mean, it's it's a southern border town that they had had so many of these.
00:51:04.340Watch out, bailout, you know, emergency strangers on campus alerts.
00:51:57.020But when I was in route, what the reports were was that it was a bailout, that it was a smuggling pursuit.
00:52:03.340And so everybody thought that that's what it was in the beginning was another bailout.
00:52:07.240And when you talk about these people, kind of the boy who cried wolf, I've been reporting this since the day this happened, that there's a real thing called alert fatigue.
00:52:16.180I talked to a lot of parents in that area.
00:52:18.800Every parent, there's a parent that is a wife to one of my sources.
00:52:22.000They have a third grader that goes to Rob Elementary.
00:52:24.800And they got the email, legitimately thought it was another bailout, did not think anything of it.
00:52:30.460Now, that email did come about 20 minutes after the shooter was already firing shots.
00:52:34.920And then they didn't know it was an active shooter until about 12.11.
00:52:38.020So it was about 40 minutes from the time the shooter actually got there that parents knew what was happening.
00:52:44.200So there was a lot of, obviously, things that fell short.
00:52:49.580But the alert fatigue thing is very real.
00:52:51.680I will say the only saving grace to it being a border crisis down there right now is how many Border Patrol agents were around and were present during that time and able to respond.
00:53:02.000Now, the manpower didn't really matter because it still took them 77 minutes to go in and it still took time for that BORTAC agent to actually arrive.
00:53:10.180But that response comes from not because there was a school full of migrants, right?
00:53:15.620It's because they're deployed along the southern border already and have been because of the crisis.
00:53:22.320I did not realize that that Aranda, the guy who was supposed to be in control, Arradondo, he was supposed to be in charge of the response, had not yet been fired or resigned.
00:53:34.480I mean, honestly, I just assumed that guy had been turfed in the wake of his disastrous failure.
00:53:39.520With all due respect to this man, he's a fellow human being.
00:53:42.840He's become the face of cowardice in in America and he's still employed in the job.
00:53:51.360He was the one who wrote the crisis response plan for the school and then failed to execute it and walked around that day as if somebody else were in charge,
00:54:03.660even though he knew very well that he was the one supposed to be running this.
00:54:48.720If he's not fired by noon tomorrow, then I want your resignation and every single one of you board members because y'all do not give a damn about our children or us.
00:55:55.640The mayor does go on, though, to tell me he hasn't heard that from school officials.
00:55:59.240But the mayor is pretty confident as well that that they are going to relieve him of his duties.
00:56:04.300Again, I mean, most people feel like this should have come days after the shooting, not nearly two months.
00:56:10.240Because now what's happened is we've gotten the Uvalde shooting report, you know, the assessment of how things went so wrong down there.
00:56:17.360The Washington Post reporting in all 376 law enforcement officers, nearly 400 law enforcement officers were on scene there.
00:56:28.600A greater number than previously known, 149 Border Patrol officers, 91 Texas state troopers.
00:56:33.600And the guy who was supposed to be in charge was Pete Arradondo, the school district police chief who wrote the active shooter response plan.
00:56:43.200What's insane about the fact that he's still there, if I understand the facts correctly, is God forbid they would have another school shooting this week.
00:57:33.900The other issue, Megan, is that out of all of those officers, 376 respondents, not one took it upon themselves to ask the questions or to implement a command post.
00:57:44.620That in this report, that was an egregious error as well because there was nobody there to streamline and coordinate efforts.
00:57:52.280We know that Arredondo was on the other side of the classroom while the congregate group was kind of, you know, where we saw the cameras that were that were closer back.
00:58:01.760You know, and that's another big problem is that there wasn't a command post and there wasn't a central command person that was outside of the building making sure that things were going on.
00:58:10.140When I arrived on scene, no one knew what was going on.
00:58:13.040There were troopers of blood on their shirts.
00:58:25.160When I showed up and the gunman was already subdued, he was already dead by the time I got there.
00:58:29.220But when I got there, I was watching the airlifting helicopters leave.
00:58:32.840And the truck was still in the spot that it was crashed in.
00:58:35.860And again, there was no caution tape up, no perimeter set at all, at least an hour after this started.
00:58:41.400And so, you know, you look at this situation, you look at this botched response, and you look at how these families are reeling, and they have to.
00:58:48.680And, you know, I've asked a lot of my sources along the border that are sheriffs, that are law enforcement individuals, that are border patrol.
00:58:54.800And they all say that the only way forward is to actually basically start from the bottom and clean house.
00:59:12.780We already know that staffing police is almost an impossible task.
00:59:16.020And these sheriffs and these law enforcement individuals tell me, Megan, they would rather have nobody than officers who aren't going to act.
00:59:23.860You know, they aren't going to walk in.
01:00:33.340But I was going to say the failures in Uvalde, the failures of the children, the 19 fourth graders and the two teachers who were killed began well before the day of the shooting.
01:00:42.100And that, too, has been exposed by this report in in as much as we're learning more about the shooter whose name we're not going to say.
01:00:50.820But this guy had been so vocal about his unhappiness, about his alleged bullying, about his terrible fourth grade experience in the very classroom years earlier that he would ultimately return to target.
01:01:04.660But some of his family members were aware that he bought guns and ordered them to remove them from the house where he was living.
01:01:11.440So they knew they knew this kid should not have guns.
01:01:21.120It's the reason we haven't and I haven't for decades said the names of school shooters.
01:01:26.520Quote, the report says the gunman was driven by a desire for notoriety and fame, notoriety and fame.
01:01:33.700And what happens over and over is the media assists after the person shoots up the school, whether the person winds up dead or alive himself, we we in effect glorify them.
01:01:44.280We plaster their name and their images all over television.
01:01:48.520And they go from a nobody loser sitting inside of the grandparents house, not going to school to somebody whose name is known by virtually everyone in America.
01:02:07.880That's the only thing they can see is the problem.
01:02:10.040But that report was very illuminating.
01:02:12.700Yeah, Megan, I have to say thank you for doing that, because I do the same thing.
01:02:16.500I I know his name, but it takes me a minute to think of it because I haven't said it.
01:02:20.960And, you know, the focus does need to be on the kids and on this act, what happened, but not to glorify this person.
01:02:29.540And, you know, I've talked to I sat down with the grandfather the next day after the shooting for an hour.
01:02:35.240He invited me into his home and I was able to talk with him and ask him about this situation.
01:02:39.960And the the family members that knew he had guns, it wasn't necessarily that they thought that he was going to use them to harm people.
01:02:47.500But the grandfather could not have guns in that home because he has a previous conviction.
01:02:52.460And so if he were to have guns in his home, he would go back to jail for 15 years.
01:02:57.520So you they couldn't have guns in that home.
01:02:59.900So there are several reasons why they wanted the guns out.
01:03:02.380It wasn't that the family necessarily saw all of these red flags and just ignored them.
01:03:07.300And that is from the conversations I had with the grandparents and the grandfather had no idea about the guns.
01:03:13.980What I'm learning is it was the grandmother and an aunt, an aunt of the shooter.
01:03:19.480But it wasn't necessarily the grandfather that that knew.
01:03:23.100And he didn't have a lot of conversations with the shooter.
01:03:25.880He would go to work and he would come home and the shooter would be on the couch sleeping or whatever.
01:03:30.920And the guy, the grandfather, I mean, he was distraught.
01:03:34.000He would tell me he would try to read his Bible out loud and hope that the gunman would hear him, just hope that it would kind of trickle in.
01:03:40.740And he said that he obviously wasn't a God fearing man and, you know, obviously wasn't necessarily the person that he thought he was.
01:03:47.780And sadly, the grandparents took a lot of this on because he had been living with them periodically since about March.
01:04:01.320But it is very normal in very small rural communities for grandparents to take on kind of being the guardian for a lot of these kids that maybe, you know, don't have don't have a standard home or don't have a stable home.
01:04:15.920The parents were losers and abandoned abandoned their parental responsibilities.
01:04:19.160And it's not that they're that they caused the school shooting, but they certainly caused, in part, an unstable young man and unstable young men are the problem we're facing when it comes to school and mass shootings.
01:04:34.420So I don't actually I'm not as forgiving of the grand grandfather as you are, because, you know, I saw him on TV saying, oh, what are you going to do?
01:05:11.660But the grandfather did tell me that he did that he knew that he was failing, that he was not going to teach him how to drive.
01:05:17.740He wasn't going to do all those things if he wasn't going to be motivated.
01:05:20.440So, you know, I think there's different different parts of the interviews that we probably see and take.
01:05:25.620But he did tell me that he wasn't going to teach him to drive or give him any extra benefits, you know, in life if he wasn't going to be advocating for himself, too.
01:05:34.460So the grandfather did push back a little bit.
01:05:36.480But I said, why aren't you talking to him?
01:05:37.960Why aren't you on these hour long car drives you guys are taking?
01:05:40.780Because he started working for his grandpa.
01:05:54.700Gavin DeBecker was on the show two weeks ago, you know, world international recognized security expert was saying that the one common denominator amongst all these shooters is misery, misery.
01:06:06.760And what they what can make the difference in one case versus another is the intervention of anyone with a kindness, a caring word, some some cause for concern and inquiry.
01:06:19.060It doesn't always work, but it gives us the rest of us a fighting chance of somebody would show kindness and concern.
01:06:26.660I do want to show the audience that you you had an extraordinary interview as you as you were mentioning and went inside the house.
01:06:33.380And let's not forget this shooter and Uvalde shot his grandmother first and actually got video where, as I understand it, there's still blood inside the house as you were in it.
01:06:44.120Here's a little bit of that for the watching audience.
01:06:47.080If you're listening, you can see it on YouTube in just a bit.