AOC vs. Vance, Bongino Leaving FBI, and Coldplay ＂Kiss Cam＂ Woman Speaks Out, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 1216
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 55 minutes
Words per minute
184.70468
Harmful content
Misogyny
65
sentences flagged
Hate speech
24
sentences flagged
Summary
The shooter who killed two and wounded nine at Brown University is still on the loose. Plus, it's AOC v JDV in a potential preview of 2028, and Glenn Greenwald joins The Megynkel show to talk about personal responsibility.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
When I got a great deal on a great gift at Winners, I started wondering,
00:00:03.760
could I get fabulous gifts for everyone on my list?
00:00:19.260
Ooh, European chocolate for the crossing guard.
00:00:22.580
At these prices, could I find something for everyone at Winners?
00:00:30.740
At FanDuel Casino, you get even more ways to play.
00:00:45.300
Please play responsibly, 19 plus and physically located in Ontario.
00:00:48.260
If you have questions or concern about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you,
00:00:51.240
please contact ConnexOntario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge.
00:00:56.080
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:15.160
We've got our twinkly Christmas trees and I've got a sparkly Christmas shirt and it's happening.
00:01:34.060
It's high noon and we're going to tell you why that term is in the news today.
00:01:40.680
It's actually, I think, my favorite story of the day.
00:01:42.780
It has something to do with that viral video of the couple at the Coldplay concert last summer.
00:01:50.620
The shooter who killed two and wounded nine at Brown University Saturday, still on the loose.
00:01:55.620
Amazingly, the completely dark, shaded, unreadable video that they put out of the suspect hasn't ginned up any leads.
00:02:06.240
And the authorities don't seem to have much more, although there is one glimmer of hope and we'll tell you what it is.
00:02:11.280
Plus, it's AOC versus JDV in a potential preview of 2028.
00:02:21.800
Here to talk about all of this and more is Glenn Greenwald.
00:02:24.680
He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update.
00:02:29.880
We talk a lot about personal responsibility on this show.
00:02:33.080
Well, here's one aspect that's really important, your health.
00:02:36.620
And I'm not talking about following whatever the experts recommend.
00:02:39.300
I'm talking about real data-driven decisions based on your body's actual numbers.
00:02:44.980
We demand transparency in government, but most of us have no idea what's happening inside of our own bodies.
00:02:50.260
Disease can develop silently for years before symptoms appear.
00:02:54.220
By then, you're playing catch-up with expensive treatments instead of preventing problems when they are cheap and easy to fix.
00:03:02.860
They are revolutionizing preventative care with something radically different.
00:03:11.460
Personalized supplement packs shipped directly to you based on your deficiencies.
00:03:16.160
Biannual retesting to track progress, plus ongoing virtual consultations on your schedule.
00:03:23.400
And you get 20% off at gojevity.com slash Megan.
00:03:29.580
That's gojevity, G-E-V-I-T-I dot com slash Megan.
0.53
00:03:35.280
Because no one should control your health decisions but you.
00:03:45.640
I feel a little bit like the Grinch after that big buildup you gave yourself about how Christmassy you are.
00:03:50.240
But I'm going to try and get in the holiday spirit, even if it's not with my clothing and background.
00:03:55.360
Like I have about 200 sparkly little diamonds, fake diamonds on my black shirt.
00:03:59.700
Makes me feel like I'm ready for Santa and some Nog.
1.00
00:04:04.140
So there's so many fun things that I want to go through with you.
00:04:06.780
I'm like genuinely some days you just wake up and the news cycle is amazing.
00:04:09.680
And then you see who the guest is and you're like, it's Mana from heaven.
00:04:12.940
This is exactly the man I want to be talking to.
00:04:24.960
New poll puts Dem Star ahead of Vance in 2028 showdown.
00:04:30.320
AOC leads JD Vance for first time in 2028 election matchup, colon, poll.
00:04:36.140
AOC retweeted the poll with just the word bloop, B-L-O-O-P, and an exclamation point.
00:04:54.260
But Grok says, it seemed to be a playful exclamation, like a lighthearted, there it is,
00:05:01.200
So this poll had her up 51-49 over JD Vance in a poll of 1,500 registered voters taken
00:05:11.720
between December 5th and 11th in a hypothetical 2028 matchup.
00:05:19.720
She's enjoying the fact that she's beating Vance, and so is the mainstream media running
00:05:24.260
We actually took a look at this poll done by Argument slash Verisite.
00:05:32.380
And the first thing we do with any poll here at the MK Show is we go to 538, which is an
00:05:38.080
aggregator of polls, and we see whether they use it.
00:05:41.560
Well, they, because they exclude the least reliable polls, and it's not rated by 538.
00:05:47.400
It is not accepted by 538 as a legitimate poll.
00:05:50.340
New York Times as well says it does not meet their standards to be included in their polling
00:05:56.600
It is not a traditional independent polling outlet like Gallup or Pew.
00:06:00.820
It is a media organization offering proprietary polling alongside its opinion journalism.
00:06:06.340
It's a D.C.-based media company that employs people like Matt Iglesias.
00:06:12.660
They say, we make a positive, combative case for liberalism, and Verisite is their offshoot
00:06:24.460
You can be a partisan outlet like Fox and have an objecting polling outlet.
00:06:32.400
But in any event, what do you make of Bloop, like she's beating J.D. Vance in a head-to-head
0.89
00:06:39.440
And what does it tell us about whether she's likely to run?
00:06:43.020
You know, I've been doing journalism for 20 years now.
00:06:46.020
I've been paying, as a result, very close attention to politics, and it's a passion of
00:06:52.440
The very first thing that ever made me have, like, even a glimmer of wanting to turn away
00:06:58.060
is the way in which Democrats have decided that because it worked for Trump, they're
00:07:02.400
now supposed to be, you know, kind of, like, loose with their language and show how cool
00:07:08.240
they are and how they don't speak like D.C. politicians.
00:07:11.460
They have all these consultants advising them on what to do.
00:07:15.240
And AOC is a particularly horrible case of it because, you know, when she was elected,
00:07:22.740
She's now, like, heading into her mid to late 30s, heading into 40 years old.
00:07:28.520
And she's still trying on top of, like, that really cringy Democratic effort to sound, you
0.99
00:07:34.340
know, like, playful and relatable and cool to kind of have it infused with this very young
00:07:45.720
And I also don't understand why, if you are, you know, like a liberal outlet, which, of course,
00:07:51.680
this is trying to produce polling numbers that suggest that someone who has no chance to
00:07:56.260
be president could actually credibly run when it seems so counterproductive.
00:08:01.980
Like, why would you want to build up somebody with a fake poll who you know will get destroyed?
00:08:06.940
So it just the whole thing seems so bizarre to me.
00:08:11.860
So she came out today and she was asked about it by Pablo Manriquez.
00:08:23.540
Do you think that you'll beat, that you could beat J.D.
00:08:25.260
Vance in a head-to-head race for president, as polling suggests in 2028?
00:08:29.180
Listen, these polls, like, three years out are, you know, they are what they are.
00:08:47.620
If I really have to continue to watch Democrats behaving in this manner, I don't know if I
00:08:53.620
Like, for as much as I love the work, it might actually make me just go in and want to, like,
00:08:59.580
Because, you know, it would be one thing of, like, that's really how she were, that were
00:09:04.380
She actually doesn't even have a personality.
1.00
00:09:11.220
Was that, was there anything, you know, like, just smooth about that?
00:09:15.620
You know, it's just, I think that is the main problem is, is, is Democrats, the big problem
00:09:22.240
And if you don't even have a personality, it's very hard to convince people that you actually
00:09:28.480
Like, even if you're, even if your personality is fake.
00:09:44.200
My, my team's always giving me the latest, which I appreciate.
00:09:50.680
He tweeted out, he tweeted out, AOC has something you can't teach.
00:09:57.820
What, what that thing is, we probably disagree on.
00:10:03.360
She is all performative emotion, very little substance.
0.75
00:10:16.080
Frankly, as, as a lot of kids who grow up in alcoholic or drug-addled households can be,
00:10:22.700
like, one of the things they learn is to, like, tamp down emotions.
00:10:26.940
I'm married to one, so I can make the Presbyterian jokes.
0.92
00:10:30.080
But they're, they, they are emotionally regulated because you can only have one explosive personality
00:10:38.060
And most kids born to drug addicts, like J.D. Vance was, she wasn't a drug addict when
00:10:44.120
They don't have, they're not prone to overly emotional outbursts like AOC is.
00:10:50.960
And so, honestly, if you actually think it through, like her out on the trail with her
00:10:55.480
screaming, there's so many videos of her screaming at the crowds.
00:11:09.140
It would be like a surgeon with a scalpel against, like, a fish flopping on the deck, unable to
00:11:16.980
For a long time, I think the way people thought, who were Republicans on the right side, right
00:11:23.080
wing side of media, was to talk about her as though she was some sort of radical, like
00:11:27.340
some sort of far left dissident, some sort of extremist.
00:11:31.460
And the first person who actually understood what AOC really is was Marjorie Taylor Greene,
00:11:37.880
who never attacked her as a radical, but always attacked her as a fraud.
00:11:42.100
Somebody who was actually really nothing more than this empty careerist, this Democratic
00:11:48.080
She had like a little bit of flavoring of trying to sound like more on the left wing
1.00
00:11:54.360
But very quickly, she just morphed into a Democratic Party operative.
00:12:01.340
So whatever else is unique about her is just pure show.
00:12:05.220
It's like a theater kid sort of behavior that draws attention to herself.
00:12:10.340
But it's not because of any interesting or compelling or substantive ideas.
00:12:13.900
She's really there is nothing radical about her unless you just think that ordinary Democratic
00:12:19.280
And then on the J.D. Vance side, I always wondered about J.D. Vance's ability to be a compelling
00:12:25.700
politician because of that lack of kind of overt charisma.
00:12:30.240
And the thing that really convinced me that I don't think it'll ever be, obviously, in comparison
00:12:34.680
to Trump, that it's almost like a bar too high for anybody or even like Obama or Clinton,
00:12:39.580
like the great politicians, he doesn't have that.
00:12:42.080
But when he debated Tim Waltz and he was able to modulate how he was speaking and conducting
00:12:50.360
himself while at the same time being uncompromising on his views, knowing that it was America's
00:12:57.320
And it was a very kind of, you know, kind of sandpaper, the sharp edges off and the ability
00:13:02.140
to do that for 90 minutes, no matter how much they're trying to provoke you, while at
00:13:05.700
the same time delivering your message effectively.
00:13:07.360
And I think the more he's on the national stage, the better he's going to get.
00:13:10.900
No Democrat, I promise you, wants 2028 to be J.D. Vance versus AOC, no matter how much
00:13:16.740
AOC is doing her little fake dances for journalists when asked.
00:13:31.280
I told the audience about this earlier this week.
00:13:34.240
And can I tell you, Glenn, he's gotten a lot better at the—like, he always had charisma,
00:13:43.780
He wasn't really ready to let you in when he was younger.
00:13:48.040
Obviously, I'm a member of the press, so we're used to people being defensive toward us.
00:13:56.000
I have to tell you, like, he worked that room like Bill Clinton.
00:14:04.720
He was inquiring about people's children by name.
00:14:08.840
He was making everyone feel like they were special in not an artificial way, not like
00:14:13.220
an Obama kind of way, but like a real—like a talent, like a political talent.
00:14:20.380
And so my number one thought in watching him was he's using this vice presidency not just
00:14:26.180
to help the nation, but to help his own political skills.
00:14:31.760
Well, and I think also, you know, we have to remember that he is still quite young, and
00:14:37.520
he has had a lot of very kind of contradictory impulses, right?
00:14:40.740
Like he grew up as, you know, in the way that you described, but like a very, you know,
00:14:44.540
familiar now, like working-class family with addiction and all kinds of family problems.
00:14:49.160
And then suddenly he's in Ivy League schools, and he's with Peter Thiel, and he's, you
00:14:54.340
know, in high finance in Silicon Valley, hating Donald Trump.
00:14:58.380
And then he starts, you know, evolving politically as well.
00:15:01.460
And sometimes it just takes a while in life to find yourself, like to feel comfortable with
00:15:05.400
who you are, to really have a good sense of self-possession.
00:15:09.080
And that can take, you know, into your 30s or early 40s, which is where J.D.
00:15:14.240
And I don't think that's a very uncommon evolution.
00:15:17.180
And I do think that you can see a kind of greater comfort in J.D.
00:15:21.980
Vance's own skin the more he kind of becomes convinced about the values he wants to pursue
00:15:29.900
I still think it's going to take a lot of work, given that people do have suspicions
00:15:33.480
when somebody has had so many different kinds of manifestations of who they are and what they
00:15:38.780
But he's obviously very skilled at expressing himself and at communicating.
00:15:44.340
And he has a lot of time to build that trust that the public needs.
00:15:48.480
Well, it'd be very interesting, too, to see him up against an AOC when they start talking
00:15:53.220
about their personal backgrounds, because AOC wants us to believe that she grew up the way
00:16:05.780
She could barely get food onto the table like these are lies.
00:16:12.280
Vance's history is actually extremely tumultuous.
00:16:15.700
Middletown, Ohio, is a working class neighborhood when he grew up in it.
00:16:19.640
It wasn't like he was not going to eat, but he did have Pepsi in his baby bottle.
00:16:23.880
I mean, he grew up in a way that is really not great and slept in his jeans.
00:16:30.440
He writes about how when he was at Yale Law School, he went to a party that they offered
00:16:37.500
I think it was I'm trying to remember the analogy, but like they offered him maybe like
00:16:43.760
He did not understand the silverware on the plates, you know, next to the plates.
00:16:48.460
He really came from nothing and miss, you know, literally saying I could barely put food
00:16:58.760
She grew up in Yorktown Heights, which is a lovely suburb of Westchester.
00:17:05.760
So just from that standpoint, it would be fun to watch them on the, you know, destitution
00:17:13.740
Well, and also like, you know, she plays out that bartender thing, like being a bartender
1.00
00:17:17.800
in Manhattan is not exactly like being on the factory line in the middle of like some, you
00:17:25.280
The way she likes to pretend it is, you know, like in your mid twenties, you're a bartender.
0.59
00:17:29.000
Most people consider that, you know, quite fun.
00:17:31.340
Um, I think like, but I think like the Donald Trump, uh, appeal makes like illustrates a
00:17:41.040
His, his, you know, father was, was quite wealthy.
00:17:43.940
He was a real estate developer who was quite wealthy.
00:17:46.320
Nonetheless, the way in which he was kind of a real estate developer, you know, they lived
00:17:50.340
in Queens, the real estate that they had was not very glamorous.
00:17:55.180
And Trump was always looking at Manhattan and seeing this kind of, you know, glamor that
00:18:01.820
And when he got to Manhattan, he was always looked down upon because he came from the outer
00:18:07.520
You need to live in New York to really understand that socioeconomic dynamic of how people in
00:18:12.500
And that did develop in Donald Trump, this genuine outsider resentment and mentality that
00:18:18.900
I think is almost a prerequisite to being a popular politician in, in the United States
00:18:23.320
and even in the broader West, because of how much contempt people have for, for the elite
00:18:28.700
And if you seem like you're too comfortable within, or that you really are more identified
00:18:35.360
with that elite class and that you don't have that genuine outsider mentality, I think a
00:18:41.400
lot of people are going to sniff that out and, and immediately kind of reject you.
00:18:45.160
I think it was Kamala Harris's big problem.
1.00
00:18:46.940
You know, I think I said on your show before, she always reminds me of somebody who just came
00:18:50.540
out of like a board of directors meeting at like a health insurance company where she's
00:18:55.000
the general counsel, you know, like there's absolutely everything about her reeks of like
00:19:02.900
And if you're JD Vance, no matter how you end up and, you know, I had a working class background
00:19:08.100
I'm not comparing it to JD Vance's, but there's always a part of you, you know, it's
00:19:12.560
There's always a little bit of resentment in you that you grew up in a certain way and
00:19:15.900
didn't have things that most other, that a lot of people, other people had.
00:19:19.140
And I think that is a prerequisite for, for being successful in American politics, given
00:19:23.680
how much the establishment is hated in general.
00:19:26.900
Speaking of the Democrat HR meeting that Kamala Harris just walked out of, there's a headline
00:19:31.940
that just broke before air by Shane Goldmacher in the New York times.
00:19:35.340
The DNC is scrapping its report on what went wrong in 2024.
00:19:45.700
Ken Martin, the chairman of the DNC, said on Thursday he had decided not to publish a
00:19:49.780
So the report exists that he ordered months ago into what went wrong for the Dems last
00:19:55.540
Party officials have conducted more than 300 interviews with Democrats in all 50 states
00:20:00.040
to create a document that Mr. Martin had once pitched as crucial to charting a path forward.
00:20:06.420
Mr. Martin will instead keep the findings under seal, saying he believes the following.
00:20:16.020
If the answer is no, it's a distraction from the core mission.
00:20:23.440
He knows, but they don't want to release it to the public.
00:20:26.220
And my only thought on this is, does it read at the top?
00:20:33.280
And he's like, holy shit, our entire base is black women who love her, but they're not
1.00
00:20:45.200
And it was so obvious in 2024 what that grave was, which was they were between, you know,
00:20:53.320
Either they went with Kamala Harris, who they, you know, everybody, it was a consensus until
00:20:59.340
the day she became the nominee that she was one of the all-time worst politicians.
1.00
00:21:03.400
Every time she opened her mouth, she embarrassed herself.
00:21:11.460
She had every advantage and it couldn't even make it to the first primary.
0.99
00:21:14.860
And then, of course, soon as she becomes a nominee, everybody just in the media comes
00:21:18.560
together and says, oh, no, this is one of the most exciting candidates ever.
00:21:21.440
Look, Charlie X or XC or whoever is like Brat Summer.
0.92
00:21:26.000
And this was going to, you know, take her over the line of victory.
00:21:30.140
But everyone in the Democratic Party knew she was a terrible candidate.
0.95
00:21:33.600
The problem was they couldn't pass over her, even though she was second in line, because
00:21:38.180
black women are an important part of their base.
1.00
00:21:41.160
And there'd be a lot of anger and a lot of resentment had they said gone to Calvin Newsome
00:21:46.480
or some white man with whom they had a better chance of winning.
00:21:50.280
Glenn, what's so amazing is, so they took their medicine, they held their noses, and
00:21:55.240
they swallowed their medicine like good boys and girls.
00:22:01.160
She's not grateful that like, okay, we gave, she's like, yo, bitches, you only gave me 107
1.00
00:22:08.400
Because listen to what she said on a podcast this week, SOT30.
00:22:14.480
You have said in previous interviews, your focus is on 2026.
00:22:21.480
But, you know, I have to ask you, are you thinking about 2028?
00:22:25.260
Do you feel like you have unfinished business that you want to do?
00:22:36.860
Yeah, well, if you do make a decision, and whatever the decision that you make, there
00:22:44.180
are going to be millions of people who will support you with whatever you want to do.
00:22:56.540
Like that is leaving the door as wide open as one possibly can without saying, obviously
00:23:03.760
I would bet any amount of money she's running.
1.00
00:23:07.420
And first of all, when she decided not to run for governor in 2026, meaning like that
00:23:11.700
office is beneath her, that was already an announcement that she's running in 2028.
1.00
00:23:17.300
She certainly doesn't intend to disappear from political life.
1.00
00:23:22.500
But the whole point of her book, starting with the title, as you just alluded to, was that
00:23:29.140
their only reason I lost was not because I'm a terrible candidate, because I stood for
00:23:33.660
nothing, because people don't really want to hear me speaking, because they don't trust
00:23:42.480
And so if that really is in your mind, the reason you lost, which of course, in her mind
00:23:47.460
it is, of course, you're going to then think, oh, but if I get to be the nominee, but this
00:23:51.820
time with a normal amount of time, I'm going to roll over everybody.
00:23:58.460
And, you know, again, going back to that problem that Democrats have, if Kamala Harris wants
1.00
00:24:02.160
to be the nominee, there's going to be a lot of people on whom that party depends who believe
00:24:10.480
And if she doesn't get it, there's going to be a lot of concern that those people are
00:24:14.700
going to be so angry that they're going to stay at home and the Democrats can't win
00:24:17.980
again with Kamala Harris or without the people who are going to be alienated if she's not the
0.99
00:24:24.560
This is like, how lucky can the Republicans be?
00:24:36.520
If you had 108, could have had a different result.
00:24:45.640
Staying on hard news before we get to the really fun stuff, which I'm looking forward
00:24:48.800
to, we got to talk about Brown University and the shit show that is the police situation
00:24:57.900
They are saying now that they have DNA from the scene, like the killer's DNA.
00:25:03.600
They said for the first time yesterday that, um, they have some DNA on, uh, shell casings.
00:25:10.540
Chief Perez said, told reporters that they have it, uh, a law enforcement official familiar
00:25:16.520
with the case who spoke on condition of anonymity also said that the DNA as well as fingerprints
00:25:26.860
And then on background, somebody else added it.
00:25:28.720
It's on the, uh, shell casings, which is great.
00:25:35.440
A Fox news on Wednesday asked, uh, chief Perez, whether investigators were able to find live
00:25:41.520
And he said, investigators were able to get physical evidence.
00:25:49.080
And we're in the process of examining that evidence.
00:25:55.100
And so what that means is that, um, they're now going to run that through the federal database
00:26:01.780
of perps who are already in the system and see if there are any matches.
00:26:07.160
And if there aren't, then they're going to bring in a genetic genealogist, like a CC Moore
00:26:12.800
who can take whatever DNA relational hit they might get, because, you know, if I commit a
00:26:20.660
crime, but I'm not in the, I think it's called CODIS, the system that they have, they're not
00:26:25.760
going to have a match, but they might, if like my fourth cousin twice removed, if their DNA is in
00:26:32.580
there, they might say, oh, this, the killer's fourth cousin twice removed is in here. And then
00:26:38.120
you have a genetic genealogy come in here and like map out that person's whole family tree,
00:26:43.820
start figuring it out. It's, it's investigative work and figure out like who could have been at
00:26:48.900
Brown university on Saturday, December X and so on. So I do think it's great news that they have DNA
00:26:54.640
and that hopefully will help us get a name and solve it. However, if you have doubts, you are more
00:27:00.760
than entitled because they really don't know what they're doing out there. They announced yesterday
00:27:06.780
made clear, they haven't even interviewed all the students who were in the classroom where the
00:27:16.520
shooting took place. They announced that it was a review course for an exam. So we're not sure who
00:27:24.520
showed up and who didn't. What you, why wouldn't you just go to all students who take the class
00:27:31.400
door by door and interview all of them? Why is it like, gee, I don't know. Listen here to top five.
00:27:38.520
You know, this explained to us, uh, five days later, how many students were in that classroom?
00:27:44.100
Can you now say how many kids were in that classroom into the gunman come in from the back? So these people
00:27:49.680
never knew it was coming or did he come in front with full view of everybody? And that's all part
00:27:55.700
of the interviews. And actually we're cooperating with Brown to get the roster. Uh, that was a
00:28:00.020
study hall. So we don't have the number. We're still getting, uh, information as far as who was
00:28:03.900
there. I know Brown sent out a, an email, uh, to the students to notify us if they were present
00:28:09.760
and we're still getting that. So I can't give you an exact account now. Well, Brown sent out an email,
00:28:14.720
Glenn. So they're on it. I think what's amazing here, Megan, is that, I mean, you know, any human
00:28:22.140
institution, no matter how capable you think it is, is going to have incompetence is going to have
00:28:26.880
mistakes is going to have failures. And obviously that includes the police and investigators. They
00:28:32.000
make mistakes all the time, but for a crime of this magnitude at one of our nation's top universities
00:28:38.180
for 11 people to have been shot, two of whom have been killed on, on campus where everything is
00:28:46.480
monitored. There are cameras everywhere, or at least there should be. It turns out apparently
00:28:50.620
that there aren't for whatever reasons that some, there's speculation about why when you see police
00:28:56.820
incompetence on this level, it really is. It's alarming. I think the other interesting aspect of it is,
00:29:03.840
because, you know, I've spent a lot of time in my work on things like mass surveillance and facial
00:29:09.540
recognition and all the ways that we might be surveilled. There's obviously real dangers to
00:29:14.300
having mass surveillance, but in a case like this, you kind of wish that police were able to trace
00:29:21.100
everybody's movements in a way that that's a lot easier. And it kind of points to this conflict that
00:29:26.480
we have. But I just, I think everybody finds it inconceivable, not that there's police incompetence,
00:29:32.600
but that on a case of this magnitude of this scale at, at a place like Brown, it looks like the
00:29:39.840
keystone cops. And it, and you really do start wondering why, like, is this just really how
00:29:46.340
incompetent they are? Or is there something about this case and like the university environment and
00:29:52.120
academia and all the values that we know prevail there that are causing impediments in, in the
00:29:58.680
investigation that's making this incompetence worse? I want like, it's amazing to me that they
00:30:03.580
have not yet interviewed all the students present, the immediate eyewitnesses to the shooting, not
00:30:08.780
only because they may have identifying information about the shooter, they may be able to actually
00:30:14.200
clarify what he yelled. Because so far, all we've heard is from that one TA who said to me, it was
00:30:19.520
incomprehensible. And to the students I know of, they couldn't understand what he was yelling either.
00:30:24.000
Maybe some other student has a different story. And maybe a lot of these students record prep
00:30:29.860
meetings. They have like one of those newfangled apps that everybody has on their phone who are
00:30:34.160
college students, Glenn, that where they record these things. And maybe one of those students has
00:30:39.200
a whole recording of it. Um, and the police just need to find them. Why wouldn't they get the full
00:30:44.780
roster of 200 students and in one day knock on all of their doors? This is so crazy. Oh, well,
00:30:50.580
they sent out an email. Oh, well, great. Okay. Terrific. Because the killer's on a loose.
00:30:54.600
So you might actually want to put pedal to the metal and get on this. Now there was another
00:30:58.220
sort of heated moment where the Providence mayor, who's really just the worst actor. I mean, he's,
00:31:04.080
there's a lot to choose from. The university president seems like a complete nimrod. Um,
1.00
00:31:08.140
not impressed at all with the police chief. Um, the AG is contradicting the, the Providence mayor,
00:31:15.020
but the Providence mayor is the worst. He is the worst. And he's the one who's like,
00:31:19.300
I don't think there's an ongoing threat. Why not? Well, cause no one's been shot since Saturday.
00:31:24.120
Oh, okay. Terrific. I'm sure we're fine then. Um, he was asked a question about the lack of cameras.
00:31:30.840
And I have heard this from multiple people who I know who are like in the area and asking these
00:31:35.620
same questions, whether the lack of cameras is somehow related to the fact that Providence is a
00:31:43.720
sanctuary city and, and whether there was an, a conscious decision to take down some of the
00:31:49.380
cameras or deactivate some of the cameras so as not to get alleged illegals, um, on camera in a way
0.90
00:31:55.820
that would be used by the feds or capturable by the feds. This guy's going to ask this question.
00:32:01.460
It's hard to understand him and I'm going to summarize it when we come back. So just take a
00:32:04.920
listen, see what you can glean. And then I'll clarify what his name, what he's asking. His name is
00:32:08.480
Chaz Kalanda, and he's speaking to the Providence mayor yesterday.
00:32:14.640
Sanctuary city law that we have, you don't want to recall illegal immigrants and you don't want
1.00
00:32:19.880
to provide the footage to the FBI or immigration authority. One camera and that will be, it come
00:32:26.120
out from your detectives. They are afraid of mine. They're angry at this investigation that these
00:32:30.740
people are running reversing. Put the camera off. They can identify that person. You imagine how the
00:32:36.020
family want to go through. We heard from both the Brown police chief and the provost of Brown who
00:32:45.500
have shared that they have been fully cooperative and shared, uh, been forthcoming with all, uh,
00:32:50.940
data and evidence that they have. Okay. But that doesn't answer the question. Just to reiterate what
00:32:55.860
the question was, cause we went back and verbatied it. Uh, we have a sanctuary city law here. You don't
00:33:01.000
want to record illegal immigrants and you don't want to provide the footage to the FBI or immigration
00:33:05.340
authorities, one camera. And now it's come out from your detectives. They're friends of mine.
00:33:10.200
They're angry at this investigation. These people at Brown university put the camera out. That's how
00:33:16.260
he phrased it. They can identify that person. You imagine how the family is going through what
00:33:22.120
they're going through. Tell the truth to the media, put the cameras open. So that was our best verbatied
00:33:27.060
it. He's suggesting that they turned off cameras. I've heard this from others on the scene that they
00:33:32.080
believe Brown, uh, Providence residents, that some of these cameras were intentionally turned off
00:33:36.740
for the very reasons that reporter stated your thoughts on it.
00:33:42.340
Here's the thing. So there's been a lot of speculation online about what happened at Brown and
00:33:47.760
also what happened with the killing that some people think might be related of this nuclear physicist
00:33:53.720
who, who was also killed, uh, at MIT in roughly this at MIT. Right. Exactly. Um, and a lot of the
00:34:02.000
speculation, some of it turned out to be false. Others of it turned out to be very unfounded.
00:34:07.780
And a lot of people are saying not unreasonably that one of the problems with this kind of online
00:34:13.400
sleuth thing is that it often leads to politically motivated speculation or things. Okay. I agree with
00:34:20.740
that. I do think that's an issue. The reason that happens though, is because of the inability or
00:34:26.580
refusal of people in power and in authorities to answer the most basic questions, to give us the
00:34:32.760
most basic information about a crime that of course is a great concern to a huge numbers of people and
00:34:38.380
ought to be. And it's in that vacuum of like this evasive kind of answer, this refusal to give any kind
00:34:46.280
of, to be accountable in any way that citizens start thinking we can't trust the police. We can't
00:34:51.600
trust investigators. They, they lied to us. They they're incompetent. They cover things up. And this
00:34:57.060
is why you see so much of this kind of doubting, like with the Charlie Kirk shooting or with any kind
00:35:03.020
of crime, any kind of major event where people no longer trust institutions of authority. And I think
00:35:08.040
in that exchange, you see the reason, like, if that's the reason they turned off the cameras say,
00:35:12.460
so where the cameras turned off, like, why can't you just give straight answers on that? And when
00:35:17.040
we don't get those, that people start thinking we have to figure out on our own and we can't trust
00:35:21.560
the information we're being given. And although it can be a problem because it leads to false
00:35:25.760
speculation that spreads like wildfire, it's also the fault of the people who are supposed to be
00:35:31.520
exercising this power responsibly when they, when they, when they do things that make the other
00:35:35.620
people lose trust in what they're saying. All right. I want to keep going. There's a lot
00:35:40.040
of news to get to. Uh, speaking of lack of trust, the FBI has been suffering that for many years now.
00:35:47.520
And the two people at the top of it under Trump are of course, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino,
00:35:51.660
who I think most Republicans, I mean, maybe not the establishment types, but most MAGA faithful
00:35:56.940
supported going into those two top roles. And then there was some real questioning after the
00:36:03.760
Epstein debacle, both when the pair of them went on with Maria Bartiromo and said, they believe Epstein
00:36:10.720
did kill himself and that there wasn't a murder. And you just had to look at the tape from the prison
00:36:16.520
cell. And then even the left-wing media started to challenge that. Uh, so there was a real crisis
00:36:22.460
of confidence. Then Dan Bongino threatened to quit, uh, over his blowout with Pam Bondi, but he didn't
00:36:29.380
quit. He stayed and it's been a tumultuous nine, 10 months. I think it's fair to say, even for two guys
00:36:37.500
who had previously been trusted by MAGA, but there's no question there's been an erosion of that since
00:36:42.800
they went on the inside, you know, as can happen, especially when you go to an organization that
00:36:46.860
distrusted. Now we get news that Dan Bongino is stepping down. Uh, he sent out a tweet yesterday. I
00:36:53.640
think he said effective early January. So he did not make it a year. And, um, now he's already getting
00:37:02.320
some blowback. This is what the left is saying, but this is the reason I'm playing. This is you're
00:37:09.660
also hearing this online from some on the right, which is kind of telling because I love Bongino and
00:37:16.580
I've been kind of taken aback at like the, I don't know that this, the shift in opinion by some,
00:37:22.880
even on the right. But here's Nicole Wallace, uh, with her two cent take.
1.00
00:37:29.540
This guy is a freaking joke. He wears t-shirts that are obviously too small. And he went on Fox
00:37:36.220
news and complained about how long the workday is as the number two at the FBI. The FBI is you two
00:37:41.720
know better than anyone protects children from child sex traffickers. Um, and on that topic,
00:37:47.440
Dan Bongino had a successful podcast in part because he peddled conspiracy theories
00:37:52.240
about Jeffrey Epstein and then got to the FBI and let Pam Bonney roll over him when they decided
00:37:57.660
to cover up the files. Cause Donald Trump's name is in them. A fact confirmed by Susie Wiles this week
00:38:02.560
in 11 on the record interviews with Chris Whipple. I want to know if either of you can speak to the
00:38:07.700
lasting damage or the danger that we're in because a guy that is a joke was the number two at the FBI.
00:38:14.120
Okay. First of all, they did not let Pam Bonney roll over them. She's their boss. The FBI is not
00:38:21.260
an independent agency that doesn't answer to anybody. They answer to Pam Bonney. If Pam Bonney
0.55
00:38:25.660
directs the strategy that we're not releasing anything more on the FBI, on the Epstein's file,
00:38:31.000
then that is what Cash and Dan had to do. I'm sorry that they were very outspoken on Epstein beforehand,
00:38:37.900
but like to pretend that they had independent autonomy when DOJ, and frankly, let's face it,
00:38:43.720
it must've been Trump's call, made a call is to ignore reality. However, I'm going to give you one
00:38:49.420
more soundbite, Glenn, and it is the moment she referenced when Dan went on Fox in May of 2025,
00:38:57.980
I gave up everything for this. I mean, you know, my wife is struggling and I'm not a victim. I'm not
00:39:06.520
Jim Comey. It's fine. I did this and I'm proud I did it. But if you think we're there for tea and
00:39:11.300
crumpets, well, I mean, Cash is there all day. We share it. Our offices are linked. He turns on
00:39:17.060
the faucet. I hear it. He's there at, he gets in like six o'clock in the morning. He doesn't leave
00:39:21.520
till seven at night. You know, I'm in there at seven 30 in the morning. I, you know, he uses the gym.
00:39:26.800
I work out in my apartment, but I stare at these four walls all day in DC, you know, by myself,
00:39:32.820
divorced from my wife, not divorced, but I mean, separated, divorced. And it's hard. I mean,
00:39:37.060
you know, we love each other and it's hard to be a part.
00:39:40.440
So she mocked him for it. Many did. But to me, that explains why he's leaving. I mean,
00:39:45.020
there's a thankless job where he's losing support, even amongst some MAGA faithful because of the
00:39:49.600
nature of the FBI and what I said with Epstein, even though I think Dan was very opposed to how it
00:39:53.580
was handled by Bondi. And, um, I'm sure he, I haven't talked to him, but I'm sure he's like,
00:39:59.400
this is a fucking thankless job. I'm out of here. I want to go back to my family, my wife
00:40:04.220
and my podcast. So my question to you is, can he do that now? Given some of those issues that,
00:40:12.360
I don't know if people realize, you know, Dan, Dan Bongino, uh, is had his podcast on rumble where
00:40:19.080
he's also, um, uh, a major investor. And that podcast was, I mean, the call to success is to
00:40:28.020
wildly understate the case. He was making enormous amounts of money. He had a massive audience of
00:40:35.520
people unbelievably loyal to him and loyal to him because of how much trust they had, they had in
00:40:42.360
him. And one of the reasons they had so much trust in him was because he was such a emphatic
00:40:48.660
critic of the deep state of these organizations. And among the things he was telling them was that
00:40:56.000
the U S government was concealing the Epstein files because it was trying to protect the world's
00:41:03.840
most powerful people from being exposed as child predators because they know that Jeffrey Epstein
00:41:09.220
didn't kill himself. And because Jeffrey Epstein had blackmail power over all these people and were
00:41:15.780
therefore forcing them to keep these, these files concealed. This was not an ancillary issue for Dan
00:41:21.140
Bongino. This was something he talked about over and over and over. And then also other things as well,
00:41:26.480
you know, like the, the, the guy who killed Trump and all the stuff that supposedly was being covered up
00:41:30.900
about that. None of which is, has been released under the FBI's leadership. And so when you then
00:41:37.640
months into Dan Bongino stint, watch him go on Fox and obviously in a very uncomfortable way, say
00:41:43.620
we found no evidence of blackmail. We don't think it's appropriate to release these files.
00:41:48.280
Please trust us when we tell you that he'd absolutely killed himself. Obviously the people
00:41:53.120
who have been listening to Dan Bongino for all these years and believing that this was like one of the
00:41:57.520
very few people who they could trust turn around. And in an instant, soon as they're inside abandoned,
00:42:03.800
so many of the core beliefs that they had been insisting were true is obviously going to erode
00:42:10.220
your, the, the, the confidence and trust that, that people have in you. And I also think one of the
00:42:16.160
things that it's worth remembering, you know, we all have talents and we all have talents, which means
00:42:21.900
we're not talented at everything. Usually we're all talented at something. And it's important to be
00:42:26.700
humble enough to realize that because you succeed in one thing, doesn't mean you can succeed in
00:42:30.760
something and anything else. Dan Bongino is a very effective outsider, like a very effective
00:42:35.880
critic. He brings people along with him running the FBI is an entirely different skillset. And I think
00:42:45.380
a lot of people in, in, in the MAGA movement, because of how validly, uh, critical they were of
00:42:51.260
these institutions decided that the people who are there for their whole career, who have the quote
00:42:55.740
unquote expertise all need to be thrown out. And I totally understand that in part even agree with
00:43:00.840
it, but it doesn't mean that you can just pop up some, some guy who's a very talented podcaster
00:43:05.680
and put him in this like administrative job that he obviously doesn't want to be in like, sorry,
00:43:10.680
but getting to work at seven 30 and leaving at seven o'clock inside an office, that is not exactly
00:43:15.980
uncommon. That's not a backbreaking job. That's the experience of most Americans. Like you go out to
00:43:21.080
your office, you're separated from your family, your kids, because you're working like Dan Bongino
00:43:25.480
made it sound like, you know, he was like carrying the cross of, uh, of the crucifix on, on his back
00:43:30.360
for days. And I just think it kind of illustrates that humility is needed, like to realize what you're
00:43:36.640
good at and what you're not. So I think, I think he didn't really want to do it. That's what I think.
00:43:43.020
I think he didn't really want to do this, but he, I'm guessing here, I haven't talked to anybody
00:43:47.540
about this, but I'm guessing that Trump thought he'd be the perfect person to do it. He and cash
00:43:50.700
because they'd been so critical of the FBI. So he found FBI critics to come in so that the MAGA
00:43:56.560
base would, would trust the new leadership. But then I think neither one of them fully appreciated,
00:44:02.940
just like they didn't appreciate over at HHS or DHS or DOJ. The fact that these organizations are
00:44:10.240
completely replete with leftists and it's very freaking hard to change the culture, to change
00:44:17.940
the, the motion, the forward motion of these things in a leftist direction, just because you
00:44:23.260
have leadership, that's different there though. They're, they're trying, they're definitely trying.
00:44:27.620
And so I've, I've felt very much for both of them. And I will say this at, I think really the
00:44:33.220
catching of the January 6th, the pipe bomber, you know, assuming this is the guy, uh, which so far,
00:44:37.780
I believe it is, was huge. Like, I almost feel like if you're Dan Bongino, you can say, you know
00:44:42.280
what? It was divine right order. Like they put me in there because it seems like he really spearheaded
00:44:46.940
that. I did something that really mattered. Who knows what this guy was capable of? What if he had
00:44:51.500
tried to bomb something else? And maybe he saved lives. You know, maybe he was there at that time,
00:44:56.660
which was another one of his quote unquote conspiracy theories. I'm not citing you there, but like
00:45:01.160
another thing that people point to and he pushed it and he wanted January 6th pipe bomber found and he
00:45:06.420
found him. And maybe Dan just said, you know what? I did something that really mattered.
00:45:11.180
You know, I, I let cops be cops again, as he in cash keeps saying, and now I just want to get back
00:45:15.760
to, as you point out the thing that I'm great at and my family and government service is not for me.
00:45:22.520
Yeah. Let me, let me just say one thing though, to, to, and it's not really like disagreeing per se,
00:45:27.020
but I think just for me, at least a more way, precise way to explain it. I don't think these
00:45:31.660
institutions are filled with what I would call leftists. Like I've never met a leftist who says
00:45:36.240
my goal is to go work at the FBI or become like a CIA operative. I think what these people are,
00:45:41.880
are more like establishment operatives. They're like institutionalists. These are people who want
00:45:47.820
to protect the permanent power faction in Washington. That's really not subject to elections. And you can
00:45:53.080
put people at the top who are determined to kind of blow it all up, but you know, being at the top
00:45:59.980
doesn't mean that the entire infrastructure under you that's been cultivated for decades. And these
00:46:04.800
people are inculcated about how these institutions should work. They can easily resist, you know,
00:46:11.420
the comings and goings of politicians. Every American president has discovered that,
00:46:15.520
that there's this huge part of Washington that they nominally control, but that, that don't,
00:46:19.460
they don't really have any ability to change at all, no matter how much they want to. And I bet you,
00:46:25.100
that was also part of Dan Bongino's frustration is you can get in there and say, okay,
00:46:29.220
we're in control. Now we're going to fix this institution. And yet, you know, you can't just
00:46:33.460
get rid of the entire FBI. There's experienced, you know, operatives in there and investigators,
00:46:38.200
and they have like an ideology about how things should be done. And they're not going to just
00:46:42.280
instantly give up the power that they have and the ideology that they've been trained to have
00:46:46.780
forever. Simply because a couple of guys at the top have been critics on a podcast. And I'm sure that
00:46:51.660
has to be frustrating to try and reform the deep state and find that you're actually not able to do so,
00:46:57.900
even though you have a democratic mandate from the American people to do it.
00:47:01.700
And then you, and then you get what to me seems like a clear order from the president himself,
00:47:07.460
not, not to keep going on Epstein. Oh my God. It's a, it's a worst case scenario.
00:47:13.840
But by the way, I do believe, I totally agree with, and it's an important point about the FBI,
00:47:18.060
more institutionalists, but I do know for a fact that over at DOJ, they're having a problem with
00:47:23.640
actual leftists in the lawyer class up and down the ranks who will not just do what the leadership
00:47:30.260
wants them to do. You know, they're, they're, and that makes sense, right? You and I are both
00:47:33.740
lawyers. We know how lawyers are. Okay. I want to keep going. Cash Patel went on with Katie Miller.
00:47:39.500
And again, I like Cash and he was just on the show two weeks ago today, but while under fire for like
00:47:45.300
paying too much attention to his girlfriend, Alexis, he brought his girlfriend, Alexis, and they did a
00:47:50.840
joint interview, which I don't think was a great move. Uh, like I understand why Katie Miller wanted
00:47:55.620
it. That makes sense. I understand why Alexis wanted it, but Cash, like my advice to Cash,
00:48:00.200
this is free, take it or leave it. The romance should not be in the papers. It should not be in
00:48:04.780
the news. It should not be on podcasts. You know, it should just be off, off the radar because too much
00:48:12.060
attention has been brought to it already because he's been flying around in the FBI play, playing,
00:48:16.780
playing to like, go see her. That was raised in the interview. And here is what
00:48:20.500
that sounded like SOT 18. This nonsense about, Oh, you're taking a private jet. We're taking the
00:48:27.160
FBI plane because Congress 20 years ago said FBI directors are not allowed to take commercial air
00:48:32.480
travel ever. It's ironic that they're saying, Oh, you're going on vacation or you're going to see
00:48:37.640
your girlfriend perform. And if I was actually abusing it, I would go see every one of her shows.
00:48:42.500
I think I get to like 15%. Okay. I'm just going to give you one more. Um, SOT 19, just stand by,
00:48:51.320
SOT 19. What's an area that you disagree with Cash on? Oh,
00:48:57.720
come on now. Oh no. I think that it's really in like random things. Like I don't like spice and he
00:49:10.580
does like, I like spice. I just, I can't handle spicy foods. I'm trying, I'm working on it. Like
00:49:15.500
I said, I'm Mediterranean. So I have it in me. I just, I need to get there with it. No, the going
00:49:19.500
out, the going out to eat is hilarious because I'm Hindu and I don't eat beef and she has a really
00:49:25.020
significant seafood allergy. So when we sit down at a dinner table or go to an event,
00:49:30.500
we have to like make sure we've provided these instructions. And so then when we're out to
00:49:35.700
dinner at a nice dinner, um, she'll order like a steak, which is great. And then I'll order like
00:49:40.260
the seafood and everything else. And it's like on a divided line, like it can't cross. But we make a
00:49:44.940
really good surf and turf team at like events. If it's like, Hey, it's going to be steak and lobster.
00:49:49.100
Like that's great. Perfect. Just different place. Divvy us up. Like we're, we're happy.
00:49:52.560
It's less than ideal. Glenn, it's less than ideal when they're already in the news.
00:49:59.540
Well, let me just say, first of all, I'm uncomfortable with this whole Katie Miller podcast,
00:50:05.000
not because I don't think she should be able to have a podcast. She's, you know, perfectly
00:50:09.600
entitled to one. She, she, she, before the Trump administration, what was, was doing this sort
00:50:14.340
of work. It's not like she just invented this at the same time. Her husband is, I would say the
00:50:19.680
most powerful person in the Trump administration. Wait, do me a favor, do me a favor and like hold
00:50:25.660
that point right there. So at the same time, Stephen Miller is one of the most powerful people
00:50:29.140
because I got to hit this hard break and we'll come back right after Glenn lucky for us is here
00:50:33.900
for the whole show. What a great Thursday. Don't go away. Grand Canyon university and affordable
00:50:40.220
private Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona is one of the largest universities
00:50:45.800
in the country. Praised for its culture of community and impact. GCU integrates the free
00:50:51.180
market system, a welcoming Christian worldview and free and open discourse into more than 360
00:50:56.380
academic programs, including more than 300 online. Join a nationwide community of learners
00:51:02.240
redefining what online education looks like through academically rigorous and industry driven programs
00:51:08.280
that can spark bold ideas and prepare you for a future that matters. In addition to federal grants
00:51:13.820
and aid, GCU's online students received nearly $161 million in institutional scholarships in 2024.
00:51:21.780
Find your purpose at Grand Canyon university, private Christian affordable visit gcu.edu slash
00:51:29.560
my offer to see the scholarships you may qualify for. When I got a great deal on a great gift at
00:51:37.140
winners, I started wondering, could I get fabulous gifts for everyone on my list? Like this designer
00:51:42.040
fragrance for my daughter, it's just 39 99. How could I resist this luxurious wool throw for my
00:51:48.420
sister, this gold watch for my partner, a wooden puzzle for my niece, leather gloves for my boss. Ooh,
00:51:54.640
European chocolate for the crossing guard at these prices. Could I find something for everyone at
00:51:59.980
winners? Stop wondering, start gifting winners. Find fabulous for less at FanDuel Casino. You get even
00:52:07.820
more ways to play. Dive into new and exciting games and all of your favorite casino classics like
00:52:14.140
slots, table games, and arcade games. Get more on FanDuel Casino. Download the app today. Please play
00:52:20.660
responsibly 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. If you have questions or concerned about your gambling
00:52:24.840
or the gambling of someone close to you, please contact connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an
00:52:30.140
advisor free of charge. Glenn Greenwald is back with me now. He is the host of Rumble's
00:52:40.100
system update. If you want to get smarter, listen to Glenn. Glenn, you were saying you have a problem
00:52:47.340
with the podcast because Katie Miller's married to one of the administration's most powerful people,
00:52:51.240
Stephen Miller. Right. And so first of all, I'm not even sure that people who get invited onto Katie
00:52:57.600
Miller's show really feel the ability to say no given the power that her husband has, but also I
00:53:07.800
don't have any problem with partisan media. I used to compliment you on the fact of audience and yet
00:53:13.880
you would interview Republican and conservative politicians as a journalist, like in an adversarial
00:53:19.760
way. This podcast is not designed to do that. It's almost like a form of state TV, but then
00:53:27.460
it doesn't like, it tries to personalize these people. Like the last one she had before Cash and
00:53:34.320
his girlfriend, she had a Mike Johnson. And for some reason, Mike Johnson's wife, like there's a
00:53:39.800
lot to ask Mike Johnson. He's the speaker of the house, but she's trying to do a softer, you know,
00:53:45.160
there's like a million angles of Mike Johnson being asked tough questions. He's trying to do like a more,
00:53:48.940
a softer side. I know, but like, you know, I ended up learning that like the person who wears the
00:53:55.880
pants and the family, as they put it, the one with the veto power, the one who makes all the decisions
00:54:00.060
is Mike Johnson's wife. And I'm like, why am I listening to this? But that doesn't mean it's not
00:54:05.420
for anybody. By the way, I, I mean, Mike Johnson is actually quite funny and I think showing a softer
00:54:10.680
side and like his personal side might be of interest to some people. I like Mike Johnson
00:54:14.700
too. I just don't know why I have to hear the details of. You don't have to, don't click on her
00:54:21.720
face. Telling his girlfriend. Like, and that is even something. Oh man. Glenn, your, your connection
00:54:30.260
is struggling. We're like struggling. Okay. But like that, that's fine. But the speaker of the house
00:54:36.380
is the FBI director. And I get what you're saying. Like not everything has to be very
00:54:40.760
substantive. And these are people who have, you know, personal lives and private lives.
00:54:44.820
It just all seems a bit incestuous because it's Katie Miller. So it's just, it, it seems very
00:54:51.100
propagandistic to me. It all seems like designed to promote these people and not really get to know
00:54:57.380
them. Well, I mean, you can know that, you know what I mean? Laura Trump has a show on Fox. So of
00:55:03.400
course you go on with Laura Trump, who I love, obviously, you know, you're not getting an
00:55:07.980
objective interviewer, but isn't, so you take it for what it's worth. You know, you take it with
00:55:12.060
that grain of salt, but it's no different than you'd see over on MSNBC where they're more in the
00:55:16.240
tank for the Democrats than Katie Miller is for the Republicans. You know, it's like, she's doing a
00:55:21.560
different thing over there when it comes to like hard versus softer news, which is fine.
00:55:26.720
I guess. I mean, but like, but you were even making the point, you know, like cash Patel and
00:55:34.300
his girlfriend and their relationship. Okay. But I was ripping on cash for that. That's not Katie
0.52
00:55:40.960
Miller's fault. That's like Katie Miller wanted to do that with their show, which is like, okay,
00:55:45.260
great. And cash, but cash should have said no, in my view, not because Katie's inappropriate,
00:55:50.260
but because there's too much news already about cash and his girlfriend, which I'm sure they would
00:55:54.960
love to put to bed. They would love that to go away. Could you say no? Could you, can you say
00:56:00.380
no? Like, isn't the weight of her husband behind her? I'm not even saying like you're using that.
00:56:06.400
That's an interesting question. I'm just saying like, okay. I feel that's what I feel like there's
00:56:10.620
a dynamic there that is, you know, her husband doesn't just work in the white house. I do think
00:56:16.520
he's the one who Trump listens to more than anybody. Well, let's hope so. Stand by. I want to
00:56:21.540
play a little bit more from cash and Alexis on the show. Watch this. So what's the ideal date night?
00:56:28.980
Staying in. Yeah. I was going to say at this point, probably like doing that thing,
00:56:32.980
sitting on the couch, watching whatever, sleeping. Our favorite restaurant is Mizumi in Las Vegas.
00:56:38.940
We go there as often as we can, but Las Vegas has the best food in the country. So we're spoiled in
00:56:44.520
that manner, but DC, I don't know. What do you like? How do you keep your personal relationship
00:56:50.700
strong when so much of what you do during the day isn't discussed outside of, you know,
00:56:56.980
a classified setting? She has this great ability to not only never ask me about my job, but never
00:57:03.060
care to because she knows we're not going to discuss it. What's the most important meeting
00:57:09.880
she's ever called and you stepped out of? I've never had to step out of a meeting because
00:57:15.720
if it was an emergency, I obviously would really never had to do that. I think I had to call you
00:57:21.620
during dinner though, when I cut my finger open. Oh yeah, there was that. I did. That was a lot.
00:57:27.580
That was, I was, yes, I was not in DC and she informed me she accidentally cut her finger open
00:57:33.380
and I said, okay, are we getting stitches? Are we at the hospital? Are we good to go? And her mom was
00:57:38.960
sending me funny texts and I knew it was fine. Yeah. Have you written any love songs about Cash?
00:57:47.040
You know, it's funny. I don't think anyone's ever asked that. Um, you know, yeah, I have.
00:57:54.320
Okay. So again, this is my advice is my free advice that they, they are free to ignore, but I,
00:57:58.840
I think, and I believe they're in love. I actually think they'll wind up married and it'll actually
00:58:02.040
be quite sweet. Um, and good for them. It's hard to find love in Washington, but, but since she's so
00:58:08.900
much like this relationship has been too much in the news and it's undermining Cash now it's
00:58:13.460
undermining. I know he doesn't like that because he loves her and he's been defensive of her,
00:58:16.220
which is also sweet, but I think she, no, she should be off air. It should be just, just Cash.
00:58:23.500
And if he wants to personalize himself by going on a softer interview, you know, format that works,
00:58:29.720
that's good. But this is calling too much attention to something that's already become
00:58:34.280
an Achilles heel for him. The right doesn't like it. Go look at Twitter, go look at X. Like there
00:58:38.720
are no positive comments about it. So that's fine. We may not like reality, but we should accept reality
00:58:44.840
and just keep the private life private. Keep it over there. Stop talking about it. Stop making news on
00:58:51.040
it. You know, people are going to try to make news about every time he goes to visit her for a concert
00:58:54.980
anyway. There's no reason to like lean in. Yeah. I mean, I do think part of the issue is,
00:59:01.420
is that it is different. Like Mike Johnson and his wife have been married 20 years. They have seven
00:59:06.160
kids. They adopted two. They have five biological kids, you know? So I think people are more open to
00:59:11.800
the fact that, you know, if you want to know Mike Johnson, you kind of have to know his family and
00:59:15.680
his wife. Like that is an important part of a politician's public profile. A girlfriend is
1.00
00:59:19.900
different. They're young. There have been, and even though, yes, it is true. He does have to
00:59:24.640
find the FBI private plane. When you have enemies inside the FBI, as we just talked about resisting
00:59:29.040
his reform and they're leaking things like he's constantly taking his private plane to Las Vegas.
00:59:33.280
He's constantly taking it to Nashville to see her shows. I just, as you said, it just,
00:59:40.240
it rubs people the wrong way when people are economically struggling, when there's already a
00:59:44.740
perception that people in the political class live this way. And I agree with you. It's a poor
00:59:50.080
decision to go in and, and, and do it. But I do question whether he felt kind of compelled.
00:59:57.420
It just, I don't know. You're right. I'm not the target audience.
01:00:00.120
I think they should follow the Doug Brunt rule.
01:00:03.420
Doug's, Doug's family, when he was younger, before we had met, they would take a big trip every
01:00:10.040
year, like a big family vacation. And their rule, when they're kids, they had four kids,
01:00:14.480
Doug's one of four. Um, their rule, when the kids started to get, you know, in their twenties
01:00:18.620
was no one can, no significant other can come unless you're at least engaged because they didn't
01:00:24.880
want the cast of girlfriends or boyfriends temporarily coming with their family on like
01:00:29.480
their biggest memories and biggest vacations. And that's probably not a bad rule for administration
01:00:35.960
officials. Like don't for an interview, like don't bring the person in for an interview.
01:00:41.100
If they're not, if you're not at least engaged, uh, because you're probably going to take a lot
01:00:45.100
of shit and God forbid they break up. It's going to get even worse, but I don't think they will.
01:00:48.340
I actually think they're a very sweet couple. My money is on them getting married, but okay,
01:00:52.340
let's move on. Um, and all the best to them because I am rooting for them. Okay. Where do we go next?
01:00:58.600
Um, oh, well, let's spend a minute on Rob Reiner. There's really not a lot of news in that case today.
01:01:03.280
He, uh, Nick Reiner was arraigned. He was brought in, he was charged officially. And, uh, the judge
01:01:11.100
confirmed that he had waived his right to a speedy arraignment and they, they continued it till January
01:01:16.160
7th. He was wearing a suicide, uh, smock, they called it. We weren't allowed to see him in court.
01:01:21.520
And then his attorney, Alan Jackson, who's like a famous attorney came out after the fact and called
01:01:27.480
the whole situation, very complex and serious. Let's allow the system to move forward in a,
01:01:33.000
in a way it was designed. No one understood exactly what he was telegraphing, but he wants
01:01:37.700
you to know this is very complex. Is it? Um, and then there was this, which I thought was worth
01:01:45.460
playing wall street journal reporter, John Jurgensen had an interesting report yesterday on the party at
01:01:52.340
Conan O'Brien's the night that Rob and Michelle were killed. They'd been there and they,
01:01:57.480
had brought their son, Nick, who by all accounts had been acting inappropriately. And he filled in
01:02:01.720
some of those details in this report, which he then spoke about on CNN. Sot three.
01:02:07.600
During the party, he was approaching people there asking questions that in that context
01:02:13.560
seemed confrontational, strange, uh, or especially, are you famous asking people there? Are you famous?
01:02:20.520
So you can imagine, imagine a party of actual famous people and fame adjacent people who are really
01:02:26.100
used to strange behavior out in public, but here they are at a gathering of their peers at a party
01:02:32.580
hosted by Conan. It was unsettling to some. So Bill Hader was one of the people he approached at the
01:02:37.620
party. There was an awkward exchange and made more awkward by the fact that he had met Hader earlier
01:02:41.940
in the night. Um, so when Rob had introduced him. So when he came up and asked him questions such as,
01:02:48.220
what's your name? Are you famous? Um, it was, it was unsettling and described as scary from,
01:02:54.260
from Hader's perspective. So think about it, Glenn, it wasn't just this guy Hader, but apparently Nick
01:02:59.480
was going up to all these famous people. If you listen to the longer interview, all these famous
01:03:03.420
people at Conan O'Brien's house. And he was making the point, the reporter there that, you know,
01:03:08.900
in a room full of famous people at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party, um, it's very strange to keep
01:03:17.520
asking people, are you famous? Right? It's one thing if one famous person shows up at a party of
01:03:23.500
non-famous people and then meets somebody who doesn't know who they are. And the person says,
01:03:28.660
oh, are you famous? You know, like that's happened to all of us. Actually, funny story, just as an
01:03:33.640
aside, Doug and I, one year we went to the Met Gala. We were, we went to the after party after we
01:03:38.800
went to the gala. We're standing in the red rope line, waiting to get into the after party. We're
01:03:43.860
speaking with this young woman and, um, you know, one thing leads to another and it makes, it's pretty
01:03:48.680
clear that she's some sort of an athlete. I'm like, oh, what do you do? She goes, I play soccer. I'm like,
01:03:53.380
oh, are you any good? She's like, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty good. That woman was Alex Morgan.
01:03:59.440
Who is in fact very, very good at soccer. So I'm just saying, sometimes you meet somebody who's
01:04:04.880
famous and if it's not in your wheelhouse, you don't know. That's not, that's not what was
01:04:09.800
happening with Nick Reiner. He was behaving weirdly and inappropriately. And it just sort of sets the
01:04:15.820
stage for his, his bizarre behavior that evening, but not so bizarre. He's going to get off on an
01:04:22.520
insanity defense. So I haven't had the chance to ask you about this whole case. Where are you on it?
01:04:26.640
What do you think of it? Because of my husband's political career, I used to be at parties all the
01:04:32.300
time with like big Brazilian celebrities that I don't actually recognize. And probably Brazil's
01:04:37.280
most famous singer came up to me once and said, oh, I'm so happy to meet you. I really respect your
01:04:41.980
work. And I said, oh, what do you do just to get it off me? I was like, do you work for this political
01:04:46.660
candidate whose event we're at? And he's like, no, I I'm in music. And I pictured him like, you know,
01:04:51.400
kind of playing like the, like a clarinet on the corner. And then my husband was dying of
01:04:56.600
embarrassment. And he interrupted like Caetano. I'm a huge fan. His name was Caetano Veloso,
01:05:00.540
like the most famous musician in all of Brazil, kind of like the Michael Jackson or Bob Dylan.
01:05:05.780
I was like, what do you do? Do you like, do you work? Yeah, it was horrible. Anyway. I think,
01:05:11.360
you know, one of the things I think is interesting about this case is that a lot of American families
01:05:17.500
suffer from addiction, it used to be a lot more stigmatized than it was in the sense that people
01:05:22.600
really thought it was like a moral failing. And here you see, you know, the son of an extremely
01:05:27.460
famous wealthy person who by all accounts was like a very dedicated father and his wife, a very
01:05:32.880
dedicated mother doing everything they could for this kid. And then even into adulthood to save him
01:05:39.180
in some way from addiction. And as so many American families have experienced, like sometimes that
01:05:45.060
demon is the hardest one to battle. And I think it's a good reminder that it cuts across all
01:05:50.460
socioeconomic lines. And then I also think there's this sort of interesting aspect, you know, if you're
01:05:55.780
poor and you're trying to raise kids, that's very difficult. But sometimes if you're very rich and your
01:06:00.480
kid is born into great wealth, that also can be very difficult because they might not have motivation.
01:06:05.600
They might, you know, feel like too heavy of an expectation. I think there's a lot of things in this
01:06:11.500
story kind of like as a morality play that Americans can learn from. And especially when it comes to
01:06:16.800
addiction, because of what a pervasive problem it is for families across the country. I think every
01:06:21.080
time there's a story that involves addiction, it can be important to kind of break down the stigma and
01:06:27.640
create some empathy for families who, you know, might feel like it's their fault. But in reality,
01:06:32.400
it's something that, you know, infects so many parts of society.
01:06:36.460
And it sounds like Nick Reiner had some significant mental health issues prior to the
01:06:42.260
addiction, which, you know, from all accounts, like by age 10, we're really manifesting in the
01:06:47.880
family. It's a nightmare. I mean, what do you do with a child who is mentally disturbed in a way
01:06:53.900
that they have really upsetting social behaviors, but they're not committable. It's not at that level.
01:07:01.560
They haven't broken the criminal law, so they're not going to go to jail. They're just going to be
01:07:07.160
dependent on you in an upsetting and disruptive, negative way forever. I mean, that's a curse.
01:07:17.940
That is why you sit around, if you're lucky enough to have healthy children and look at,
01:07:23.620
you know, your life and say, thank you, God, thank you, God, thank you, God, for giving me three
01:07:27.460
healthy children. And it's not saddling me with that burden. I feel like the Reiners got saddled
01:07:32.820
with that burden. That's how it looks to me. Yeah. And like in their situations, like impossible
01:07:38.200
to know what to do. You can like let them, you know, end up on the street and be homeless,
01:07:42.600
but it's your still your, your, your kid. Like you, you love him. You've raised him. He's your,
01:07:47.820
you know, your family. But then if you let them stay in your guest house and support him,
01:07:52.680
are you like enable, it's just such an awful dilemma. And to go through that for so many years
01:07:58.400
and have your payment be dying in that manner at the hands of that person, it's, it's like
01:08:06.460
uniquely sickening. And so sad because Rob Reiner was 78. His dad, Carl Reiner, also famous. Rob had
01:08:13.520
been in a similar situation to that of his son lived to 98. You know, I mean, he clearly had some good
01:08:18.940
genes, even on the male side, which is rare. And, uh, who knows how much longer he could have lived.
01:08:24.560
You know, the other two children seem to be madly in love with their parents. And there's a third
01:08:29.180
child to a first daughter that they, he adopted when he's married to Penny Marshall. So you, you know,
01:08:32.940
your heart has to go out to them. Uh, all right. I want to keep going. Cause there's a lot of other
01:08:37.200
stuff we want to get to. And this is the story that I've been waiting for. The Coldplay kiss cam lady
01:08:44.020
has decided to speak out. And the headline is she's the victim. Just in case you didn't know
01:08:50.920
she's the victim. We made her the victim. She really, she did something very minor that was
01:08:55.900
wrong, but it wasn't really that big. People are nasty and they need to stop harassing her.
1.00
01:09:00.960
The only part of that that I agree with is people should stop harassing her. Apparently she said some
01:09:05.840
in-person and like nasty writings and so on that that's unnecessary. Uh, but the rest of us are fully
01:09:11.760
free to comment on her behavior and she's going to have to deal with it because it happened and
01:09:17.300
happened on camera and it wasn't well handled. So she has sat, she has now sat with the New York
01:09:22.940
times and also with, uh, the telegraph, I think, or no times of London for dueling interviews. She sat
01:09:30.420
for an entire day with the New York times and, uh, Lucy Liu who writes, uh, okay. About how
01:09:40.980
okay. Coldplay kiss cam HR boss, Kristen Cabot on 16 seconds that ruined her life. And this whole
0.98
01:09:51.040
piece is an attempt, I think, to shame us for shaming her and to talk about how she's been sort
01:09:57.400
of slut shamed and also to paint it as totally unfair because according to Kristen Cabot, when she
1.00
01:10:04.920
got caught on the kiss cam with the, with her boss of this company, astronomer, she was head of HR that
01:10:12.820
her sin was simply quote, I made a bad decision and had a couple of high noons and danced and acted
01:10:20.200
inappropriately with my boss. And it's not nothing. And I took accountability and I gave up my career
01:10:27.780
for that. That's the price I chose to pay. You did not choose that. It was not your choice. Um,
01:10:35.300
I want my kids to know that you can make mistakes and you can really screw up, but you don't have
01:10:39.840
to be threatened or be killed for them. Well, obviously that last line is true, but she's
01:10:45.840
trying to turn this into like a heroic moment for her. First of all, it's too soon. We're still,
01:10:51.020
still too fresh on the mind. You have demanded that we restore you to your pedestal in life
01:10:55.920
before we're kind of over what we saw. And second of all, I don't believe you that you were both
01:11:02.100
separated when that happened at all, which seems to be her main defense. Glenn, she says she was
01:11:08.160
separated from her husband. And the reason she recoiled when the spotlight, the kiss cam was placed
01:11:13.520
on her and this astronomer guy, the CEO was that her soon to be ex-husband was in the audience that night
01:11:19.940
at Coldplay and she didn't want to humiliate him. And you have to go like halfway into the New York
01:11:28.220
Times article, which is lengthy before they even mentioned the fact that her boss was also married.
01:11:35.500
And, and that was the focus of the outrage. It only came out weeks into it that she too,
01:11:41.380
Kristen Cabot was also married. And it did come out at that time that they were in some sort of a
01:11:46.180
separation, but the boss was not separated, even though he now claims that he was, I don't believe
01:11:53.080
him for one second. What his wife did when the story broke was to take down her socials, to change
1.00
01:12:00.480
her last name back to her maiden name immediately on some of her socials. And, you know, here's the
01:12:06.060
most telling part. You know what the boss didn't do? His name is Andy Byron. You know what he didn't do
01:12:12.940
when the scandal broke and he was about to get fired and he'd been publicly humiliated. He did
01:12:17.140
not release a statement saying, my wife and I are separated. That is literally all he had to do for
01:12:23.220
me to believe him. But he did not do that. And his wife did not do that. By the way, there are reports
01:12:28.840
that they are together right now. They are still together. So I don't believe that he was separated.
01:12:34.900
I accept that this gal, Kristen Cabot was, but that was the scandal that, that it was a cheating
1.00
01:12:40.780
situation as called out by Chris Martin. When we all saw their reaction, we should play the video
01:12:45.820
just so we can remind people how it looked. Here it is.
01:12:55.540
Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.
01:13:01.520
Either they're having an affair or they're very shy.
01:13:04.020
Okay, so your thoughts on Kristen Cabot trying to rehabilitate herself. I don't know how many
01:13:09.680
months is it to happen in July. So what, five months after the event?
01:13:14.960
I'm a little conflicted on this. I don't know if we see this the same way. I think the thing that
01:13:20.040
was most bothersome was that she's head of HR. And that's a job where you're supposed to be
1.00
01:13:27.980
enforcing rules of workplace propriety. And so for all the people who might be having an affair with
01:13:36.300
their boss, to have it be the head of the HR, who a lot of people, like there are few worse people
01:13:43.220
in general. I don't mean to like overly generalize, but usually like HR managers are the worst. Like
01:13:49.060
those are the people who are just constantly like monitoring you and like pretending they're trying
01:13:53.740
to support you. And in reality, they're really just working for the corporation to protect the
01:13:57.860
corporation against you. So I think a lot of this, yeah, yeah. For anything, I think a lot of the
01:14:02.620
is from people's experience with HR and the fact that she was an HR manager. I do think there's a
01:14:10.040
question when there's a married couple and then there's a woman who ends up having sex with the
0.99
01:14:18.960
man in that married couple who actually bears most of the blame in that situation. Like to me,
01:14:25.560
it has always seemed like the person in the marriage who has promised the fidelity
01:14:29.380
responsibility is the one who bears most of the blame and not the woman who doesn't have a similar
01:14:35.140
commitment. Um, and then, you know, we also, I don't, I don't disagree with that. The person who's
01:14:41.380
breaking the vow has to answer to the person they made the vow to. That's really the main sin.
01:14:48.300
Right. And a lot of times we don't know what's taking place in other people's marriages. I mean,
01:14:53.240
the fact that they are still together might signify that for whatever reason, she, the wife had,
01:14:59.000
didn't react in the way that other people reacted on her behalf. Um, and then why'd she change all
01:15:05.080
her social media then? I mean, she clearly did have a reaction to it. That right. She was probably
01:15:11.260
embarrassed. Yeah. And, and, and it was a very embarrassing situation. Like I don't blame her
01:15:16.640
for wanting to distance herself, but the fact that she's still with him, who knows why? And then
01:15:22.440
finally, like we have a lot of people in very exactly probably that's, that's one of the reasons.
01:15:29.220
Um, but then there also like, there are people in very high political positions that we know we elect
01:15:34.820
and that we let lead us these days who 40 years ago would never have been even remotely conceivably
01:15:39.980
possible. Gary Hart got driven out of, you know, the 1998, 1988 race when he was discovered having an
01:15:45.360
affair with Donna Rice, probably for anyone younger than us, that's old, that's, that's things they've
01:15:50.220
never heard of. And yet, you know, you fast forward it and you have people like Bill Clinton who gets
01:15:54.840
reelected and Donald Trump who has had his own very public adulteries and affairs and overlapping
01:16:01.720
sorts of things. This makes me start to wonder like, why are we so obsessed with that couple and
01:16:08.320
shaming them when the mores have clearly changed or on the people who, who have a lot
01:16:15.320
more power and influence than they? Hmm. Okay. So it's interesting. I mean, like you're not wrong
01:16:21.040
that they hold women to different standards than they hold men to like the public. And that's wrong.
01:16:26.220
I mean, a shitty marriage can lead to infidelity on either side. Um, and, and not to quote Woody
01:16:34.200
Allen, but I am going to quote Woody Allen, who I don't believe did anything to his daughter,
01:16:38.360
Dylan at all. It's, these are lies that were made up against him by Mia Farrow, um, who was trying to
01:16:43.960
manipulate her daughter to avoid losing custody during a divorce and to hurt Woody. Um, but in
01:16:49.020
any event, he, he did have a, have an affair with and fall in love with, and then marry Mia's adopted
01:16:55.060
daughter, Sun Yi when she was young, she was 19. Um, the heart wants what it wants. So these, you know,
01:17:03.740
it is true that couples in bad marriages sometimes make bad decisions. And this only became the public's
01:17:10.860
business because they were caught on the Coldplay kiss cam. I guess what I think they should have
01:17:16.860
done is just come out right away. Like come out right away and give, just give an interview and,
01:17:22.320
and don't have even a hint of a tone that you're the victim. Just come out and say, I'm totally
01:17:29.280
humiliated. Um, I shouldn't have done it. And she is calling herself out for being the head of HR here.
1.00
01:17:35.320
She just, she acknowledges that's bad, uh, to be with the head of, of the, the company. But I mean,
01:17:41.280
I had a couple of high, high noons and danced and acted inappropriately with my boss and it's not
01:17:48.260
nothing. It's not nothing, but I mean, come on like that. Now that is downplaying what happened.
01:17:54.980
And I will tell you just from talking to other women, they get very angry when they see this kind
1.00
01:18:01.120
of thing, because they start to picture their own husband up there with another woman. And, uh,
01:18:07.280
even though the husband made the vow, they start to think about like, well, how, who's working
01:18:11.920
against me and how, without thinking about their own role and sending the marriage South to where
01:18:18.060
the husband would be potentially in a position to want to look at another woman. Right. And it's like,
01:18:22.720
it raises very complicated feelings for everyone involved.
01:18:26.160
People look at it through the prism of their own lives and what is, has either happened in their
01:18:33.860
own lives, what they've done, what their spouse has done, what they fear might happen. And I think
01:18:40.600
that's where the kind of, that's why some of these things resonate. I guess all I'm saying is, is that
01:18:47.780
the public morality being imposed on them seems inconsistent for me with the public morality that
01:18:55.400
we've kind of allowed to take root where we know that a lot of people with a lot of power in
0.70
01:19:03.820
politics or in business do this and far worse. And let me ask you a question to the conclusion
01:19:09.880
as a society, that's not our business. Yeah. Let me ask you a question. Is it because of the way
01:19:15.180
they reacted on cam? Like they telegraphed shame immediately, which is something Trump has never
01:19:22.460
done. Right. Like, exactly. I think that, that changed the way we all felt about it.
01:19:28.300
I totally agree. I totally agree. They exactly. I think that's, I think you're absolutely right.
01:19:33.320
I haven't thought about it that, but I think that's exactly the key to it is that they, and Chris,
01:19:38.140
Chris Martin noticed it right away. Right. He said, Oh my God, look at how ashamed they are. Like they
01:19:43.140
must be doing something wrong. So if they react like they're doing something wrong, of course,
01:19:47.540
the public is going to say, Oh yeah, they they've done something wrong. And so I do think that's the
01:19:53.860
part where like either you, you, you, you do this behavior and you say, look, this is my life. This is
01:20:00.160
my choice. This is not your business. Or, you know, if you're going to act like you just got caught doing
01:20:05.700
something terribly wrong, don't be surprised when everybody else sees it the same way. And I think
01:20:11.100
that is the key to why that became such a big story. I think you're very right about that.
01:20:16.100
She's now trying to turn it around into like an example for her children. Um, I don't know. I
01:20:21.300
think leave the kids out of it. Just keep out of it. And like, that's just meant to humanize her
0.99
01:20:25.440
in the public's eye. Like she's really, she trying to play up the death threat she got. She's trying
01:20:29.680
to play up like certain people have said something to her. Like she alleges that the gas station,
01:20:34.120
some woman was like, Oh, how can you live with yourself or whatever? Okay. When you are embroiled in a
1.00
01:20:39.140
public scandal, people are going to react like that's modern day America, 2025. And for whatever
01:20:47.000
reason, her moment was caught on tape. She's going to have to live with that.
0.78
01:20:51.220
Yeah. I can't stand when people act like that is something that has only happened to them.
01:20:57.680
You know, if you're at all in the public realm and, and I guess in defense of her, like they
01:21:04.060
didn't choose to be, although if you, you know, if you want to do that, go to a place that's private,
01:21:08.540
um, keep it behind closed doors. Like everybody in the public. Exactly. But if you're, you know,
01:21:15.160
if you're in the public realm, you're going to get people angry at you. You're going to hear
01:21:19.380
terrible things said about you. And so often, like, we all know this happens, you know, to,
01:21:25.660
to, to any of us in the public realm. And I really can't stand when people whine about it as though
01:21:30.660
they're uniquely victimized by it, especially when they made a choice to enter the public realm and,
01:21:36.580
and to, to do that. Like there's benefits from having a public platform and that's one of the
01:21:41.480
costs and just accept that and stop whining about it because it happens to everybody.
01:21:45.720
Totally. In my own case, if somebody says something nasty to me, I usually just blow them off. Or if
01:21:51.440
they're particularly aggressive, I'll shoot a remark back, but I don't take it any further than that
01:21:57.280
unless they actually physically threatened me or my family. And then they're going to get a visit from
01:22:02.140
the cops, but that's my general rule. Like, and if they're truly nuts, then they're going to get a
01:22:06.120
restraining order against them. Like you have to assess whether this is a, an actual threat to you
01:22:10.220
and your family, or whether this is just some critic, which is like, if you're in the public eye,
01:22:15.080
you have to take criticism. You have to take pot shots. Sadly, it's part of the deal, like toughen
01:22:20.260
up, get a thicker skin. And unfortunately for this woman, her bad moment, you know, her bad decision
01:22:26.700
was caught on camera. That wouldn't have happened had she kept her bad decision private, behind closed
01:22:32.500
doors, like, like civilized people having an affairs, like in a, in a dark corner of some bar,
01:22:37.700
not, not on the Coldplay kiss cam, something with which she's always going to be associated.
01:22:45.800
Okay. So that was it. She's back. And she really, really would like us to know she's
01:22:49.960
not exactly sorry, but she's kind of pissed off at the rest of us. All right, stand by. We have to
01:22:55.240
take a quick break and then we're going to be right back more with Glenn Greenwald. Don't go away.
01:22:59.640
There are a lot of politicians that should be getting coal in their stocking for Christmas,
01:23:04.060
but Birch Gold thinks as a smart planner, you deserve silver. That's why for every $5,000 you
01:23:09.560
purchase between now and December 22nd, Birch Gold will send you an ounce of silver, which is up over
01:23:14.860
60% this year. See, smart people diversify and have a hedge. That's why you should consider Birch Gold.
01:23:21.440
With the rate cuts from the Fed in 2026, the dollar could be worth less. And what happens if the AI
01:23:27.120
bubble bursts? Consider letting Birch Gold Group help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a
01:23:33.040
tax-sheltered IRA in physical gold. And for every $5,000 you buy, you will get an ounce of silver
01:23:38.400
for you or your kids. Just text MK to the number 989898 to claim your eligibility for this offer.
01:23:44.580
Again, text MK to 989898 because Birch Gold's free silver with qualifying purchase promotion
01:23:50.380
ends on December 22nd. Message and data rates may apply.
01:23:57.120
Glenn Greenwald is back with me. Glenn, the news is breaking right now from the New York Times
01:24:02.300
on Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. They think they've got him this time. They've really got
01:24:08.340
him this time. Here are some highlights. Hold on a second. My team is sending me the name of the
01:24:13.740
article. It's Don's Best Friend. How Epstein and Trump bonded over the pursuit of women. And left-wing
01:24:22.840
X is going nuts over what's in this article right now. Here are some highlights. The Times interviewed
01:24:29.260
more than 30 former Epstein employees, victims of his abuse, and others who crossed paths with the
01:24:34.200
two men over the years. Again, I feel the need to point out victims of his abuse gets used very loosely
01:24:39.900
by everyone about Jeffrey Epstein. Who? Have their claims been proven in a court of law or otherwise?
01:24:49.020
Like, we don't know. They continue to just accept, like, certain women who are adults who were
01:24:55.020
allegedly, quote, molested by Jeffrey Epstein when they were 22. Like, this is tricky. In any event,
01:25:02.880
that's what they say. An examination of their history by the New York Times has found no evidence
01:25:08.020
implicating Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein's abuse and trafficking of minors. Okay, that's great. That
01:25:12.640
seems like an important thing to remember. During a flight together in the early 1990s, Mr. Trump came on
01:25:17.760
to another Epstein employee traveling with them, telling her that he could have anyone he wanted,
01:25:22.120
according to a different Epstein worker who learned of the incident. A separate Epstein employee from
01:25:26.040
that era recalled, Trump would occasionally send over modeling cards to Epstein to peruse like a menu.
01:25:32.760
Okay. So he sent over modeling cards to Epstein, and he said on a plane that he could have anyone he
01:25:39.440
wanted. Got it? A few times a week, the phone would ring in Mr. Epstein's office. Trump would be on the
01:25:45.600
line. On one occasion, recalled an Epstein assistant from the mid-1990s, Mr. Trump refused to give any
01:25:51.400
name at all. The first assistant, who often worked late, recalled that sometimes when the office emptied
01:25:55.700
out, Mr. Epstein, oh, this is the part that they're loving. Mr. Epstein would check to see that she was at
01:26:00.900
her desk, and then he would put Trump on speaker. Mr. Trump, she said, seemed to enjoy regaling Mr. Epstein
01:26:05.660
with tales of his sexual exploits, and Mr. Epstein seemed to delight in how uncomfortable it made her to
01:26:11.640
overhear them. She remembered one call in the mid-1990s on which the two men discussed how much
01:26:16.180
pubic hair a woman, a particular woman, had, and whether there was enough for Mr. Epstein to floss
01:26:21.100
his teeth with. On another, Mr. Trump told Epstein about having sex with another woman on a pool table,
01:26:27.340
according to the former assistant. Now there's this other woman who says she's afraid to be identified
0.67
01:26:32.660
or even to be talking to the New York Times because she is afraid she will be executed. One woman,
01:26:37.660
then a model, and a college student in her early 20s living in Manhattan said she attended four
01:26:42.560
parties at Epstein's mansion. It was like a pissing contest. Who had the most women, she recalled.
1.00
01:26:47.640
She requested anonymity to describe her experiences in detail, saying she feared for her family's safety
01:26:52.520
after Mr. Trump said some of his critics could be executed for sedition. Okay, that was, that's,
01:26:59.500
I think, very different from her situation. Last but not least, this one involves Marla Maples,
01:27:04.860
Trump's second wife. Tina Davis, who modeled for Ford in the mid-1990s, and her mother, Sandra Coleman,
01:27:11.280
attended a Mar-a-Lago party in late 1994 when Tina was 14. During a trip to the bathroom,
01:27:18.260
they ran into Trump's new wife, Marla Maples. They had not met her earlier. Ms. Maples clasped her
01:27:24.700
hands, Ms. Coleman recalled, and looked her in the eye, quote, whatever you do, do not let her around
01:27:30.840
any of these men, and especially my husband, she told Ms. Coleman. Protect her. Okay, Ms. Maples,
01:27:40.780
because you remember, like, all the negative comments Ms. Maples has said about Trump since
01:27:44.340
their divorce, since Trump ran for office. She's constantly been out there saying,
01:27:48.160
he's a Me Too-er, he's an Epstein enabler. He, no, not a word. She's never disparaged him.
0.52
01:27:53.340
Ms. Maples denied making the comment. I would always protect young women in any way I could,
01:27:58.160
she said, but I am sure I did not specifically say that about my daughter's father. So that's the big
01:28:05.180
dump from the New York Times, Trump and his best friend, Epstein. Your thoughts on it, Glenn?
01:28:13.760
Okay. Is it actually breaking news that Donald Trump in the 80s and 90s, as a young, good-looking,
01:28:23.100
extremely rich Manhattan real estate developer had a strong interest in women and even womanized?
0.99
01:28:31.520
Like, we heard the Access Hollywood tape in 2016. People thought it was going to
01:28:37.060
sabotage his campaign, and it didn't. Yes, Donald Trump had a very active sex life,
01:28:42.620
a very strong interest in women, even when he was married. This is kind of what I was talking about
01:28:46.920
earlier. And people have decided that this is not disqualifying. And the other part of it is,
01:28:53.600
and this is something that I think is so important, the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing,
01:28:57.600
and I have to say, in a way, the American right kind of made this monster, and it's now sort of
01:29:03.160
attacking them, where it became like every person who ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein, who ever met
01:29:07.700
Jeffrey Epstein somehow had suspicion on them that they were a pedophile or had an interest in
01:29:13.700
underage girls. A lot of the so-called victims, as you said, Michael Tracy has been really doing
01:29:19.180
among the most courageous work on this because he's been fighting against the tide in this.
01:29:23.620
A lot of these women who claim to have been victims of sex trafficking or Epstein victims
01:29:28.960
never met Jeffrey Epstein until they were like 22 or 23 or 24, not underage at all. So he was also
01:29:36.020
surrounded by a lot of women who were definitely young, but well above the age of consent. And all of
0.99
01:29:42.620
this is being done now with innuendo by the New York Times and by the American left, just trying
01:29:47.640
in any way to take some of this dirt from Jeffrey Epstein and throw as much of it as they can on
01:29:52.900
Trump, which might be politically effective given everybody watched Trump fight so hard to conceal
01:29:58.680
the files. But until there's evidence that Trump actually had any kind of relationship with an
01:30:05.400
underage girl, and there actually has never been anything remotely close to that, all this is,
01:30:11.100
political activism disguised as journalism, which is everything that you read me from the New York
01:30:17.320
Times, which I haven't read yet, but the parts that you read me are empty in terms of anything
01:30:23.300
I know. I'm yawning like, okay. I mean, he was a playboy and he loved to talk about his sexual
01:30:29.120
exploits. Got it. I want to tell you this is just in. This is breaking from WPRI.com, which I think is a
01:30:37.880
local news outlet. The headline is police probe potential ties between Brown University attack
01:30:43.120
and MIT professor slaying. That is interesting. It doesn't mean there is, there is a link. It's
01:30:48.600
police are probing it. And previously they had said, we don't believe there's a link. So now it's,
01:30:53.320
it is news that there could be. Um, um, here's the excerpt. Target 12 is confirmed. Law enforcement
01:31:02.160
is now examining possible ties between the two crimes. Multiple people familiar with the
01:31:08.040
investigation said they have discovered evidence showing the two may be linked. Well, now that's
01:31:15.920
interesting. And I don't know how I'm not jumping to conclusions, but I will note the MIT professor
01:31:21.160
was Jewish. The professor whose class was attacked. He wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't Jewish.
0.96
01:31:28.120
There was a lot of, my team just told me that he was. No, I, the latest I saw is that he, he wasn't,
01:31:34.440
I think he was like a, a defender of Israel. Um, but not himself Jewish, but you know, there's a lot
01:31:41.320
of stuff going on around line. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know that as my team told me that they had
01:31:46.960
seen he was in any event, we have no idea what the ties were. And the woman whose class was attacked
01:31:51.700
at Brown is an Israeli, a pro-Israeli activist. However, she was not even there that day. It was
01:31:58.520
a review class. She was not even in the class and it does not look like, you know, there hasn't been
01:32:04.280
a mention that like the kids targeted were Jewish, et cetera, inside. In fact, well, all we know so far
01:32:09.380
is that the one girl who was killed was the vice president of the college Republicans. And the other
01:32:13.480
young man who was killed was a naturalized citizen from Uzbekistan who was studying to be a neurosurgeon.
01:32:19.280
So we, we don't see the pattern so far and it may not emerge, but it is news that they are
01:32:23.800
probing it and there's potential links. I mean, but don't worry, Glenn, everyone's safe. Don't worry,
01:32:29.320
go out there and live your life as normal. Just like the mayor of Providence said, because
01:32:32.260
you know, no one's been shot since Saturday. Oh wait, maybe, maybe they have, I don't know.
01:32:37.440
Keep sending your child into this classroom. And also there's, these are super sophisticated
01:32:40.780
investigators. Don't worry. They're going to catch this person anytime now. I think the confidence
01:32:46.060
level should be very high in, in these police, police investigators and the, the local politicians.
01:32:50.620
I know. All right. One other thing I want to get to, well, there's two, if I have time,
01:32:54.100
um, the vanity fair photographer who took those hideous pictures of the Trump administration for
01:32:59.940
their big piece. Susie Wiles gives them 11 months of access, 11 interviews with this guy,
01:33:06.420
Chris Whipple. Then the, the thanks that they get is what Susie says are out of context,
01:33:13.200
pull quotes. Um, I get it. Shame on her for trusting them, but the pictures were so offensively
01:33:20.460
unflattering of a good looking group. JD Vance is attractive. Caroline Levitt's attractive. Susie
01:33:25.180
Wiles is attractive. It's not hard to take a nice picture of them at all. This photographer went out
01:33:29.500
of his way to make them look bad. His name is Christopher Anderson. He works for vanity fair as a
01:33:34.580
freelancer showing the extreme closeup of poor Caroline Levitt, who is like so much more attractive
1.00
01:33:39.880
than this. JD Vance, who looks like some sort of a demon, uh, in this weird picture. And then Susie
01:33:45.100
Wiles, who really looks like she is not a Marco Rubio, who looks like ruddy and poorly complected and
01:33:51.180
I don't know, dirty. There's Susie Wiles in what looks like a mugshot with somebody potentially
1.00
01:33:55.940
pinching her ass. That's what that looks like to me. It's just so bad all around. And this photographer
01:34:00.780
says, um, he's not sorry. He says what? Cause you can see Caroline Levitt's lip injections. You can
01:34:10.040
see the little marks where the needles had gone in not too long before this. And just note to all
01:34:14.280
ladies, do not sit for a photo photograph or a photo shoot. If you have those marks on your face,
1.00
01:34:19.840
trust no one. She had to learn that the hard way, sadly, but here's what he says. I didn't put the
01:34:24.800
injection sites on her. People seem to be shocked that I didn't use Photoshop to retouch out
01:34:28.680
blemishes in her injection marks. I find it shocking that someone would expect me to retouch
01:34:33.220
out those things. I'm surprised that a journalist would even need to ask me the question of why
01:34:38.300
didn't I retouch out the blemishes? Because if I had, that would be a lie. I would be hiding the truth
01:34:43.660
of what I saw there. Well, what can I say? That's the makeup she puts on. Those are the injections she
1.00
01:34:49.620
gave herself. If they show up in a photo, what do you want me to say? I don't know if it says something
01:34:54.160
about the world we live in, the age of Photoshop, the age of AI filters on your Insta, but the fact
01:34:58.680
that the internet is freaking out because they're seeing real photos and not retouched ones says
01:35:02.780
something to me. And he says, I've been doing this for a long, long time. He points to his picture,
01:35:09.740
the photos he took of Barack and Michelle Obama. Now let me show you what those look like.
01:35:14.960
The photo of Barack Obama. It's close, but it is a one third shot. It's got his necktie. Here's
01:35:25.060
Michelle Obama, who by the way, looks pretty. She's doing like a kissing face and it's a profile,
0.99
01:35:29.880
which by the way, will look better on virtually everybody instead of straight on. And she looks
0.99
01:35:36.780
cute because she's like making like a kissing motion and she's got shadows on her face that are
1.00
01:35:41.260
kind of flattering. And there's Barack Obama, again, a profile, which is better for anybody
01:35:45.800
who's going super up close. And you've got enough of his shoulders and chest that you can see necktie,
01:35:51.820
collar, and the lapels of his jacket. Same thing here. You can see his neck and the neck of his
01:35:57.200
shirt. And again, it's in profile, which I'm just telling you is, is more flattering on everyone.
01:36:03.840
And this is his defense to trying to make them obviously Glenn look terrible. Your thoughts.
01:36:09.580
Two things. One is that is such a disingenuous statement from the photographer. Okay. I just
01:36:15.980
take pictures. However they come out, that's not my fault. You know, I would, when I went during the
01:36:20.360
reporting, I had, you know, profiles in every single magazine, they were almost overwhelmingly
01:36:24.400
positive because people, the media liked the work and the pictures were great. And then I had a whole
01:36:29.060
new set of profiles when I kind of started splitting over at the left over Russiagate and Trump
01:36:33.980
going on Fox a lot. And they all looked like I was some kind of like demon troll unleashed from the
01:36:40.300
depths of hell. You know, it's so obvious like that they play that game. They pick the photos and
01:36:45.820
make it look good or bad based on whether they like you or not. Everybody who has any role in media
01:36:51.080
understands that. But I will say, I do think like Trump has spent 10 years calling these media outlets
01:36:59.060
fake news. Everybody knows like Vanity Fair or Rolling Stone or whatever hates Trump and the
01:37:05.240
Trump administration. So I do kind of blame, you know, Susie Wiles and like these Trump officials
01:37:11.320
who continuously give access to these media outlets that they know hate them and then act like surprised
01:37:16.900
or indignant when they're not treated fairly. Like, you know, if like, you know, Trump used to get
01:37:22.340
Trump gave Maggie Haberman, you know, full access to the Oval Office and every article that came out
1.00
01:37:27.640
would be incredibly negative. And he'd be like, she's a liar. She's a fake reporter. And then the
01:37:31.520
next week she'd be right back in the office. Michael Wolff too. Exactly. Oh yeah. I mean,
01:37:37.800
Michael Wolff, so many of those kinds of choices. And I get, you know, maybe you hope that this time
01:37:43.380
they're going to be fair, especially if you give them a lot, they're not going to be fair to you ever
01:37:47.480
that it's embedded in their DNA. Like don't have any expectation other than the fact that this is going
01:37:53.000
to be the result. But that statement by the photographer, like who, why are you blaming me
01:37:57.700
for the fact that her like pock marks or her injection marks as though he has no choice or
01:38:02.940
the editors have no choice over which photo they use? Please. It's like so insultingly deceitful.
01:38:09.740
Totally. And to think like he would ever have done this to Michelle Obama, which he didn't,
01:38:14.880
or Kamala Harris is a lie. It's a lie. And there is no question he did his level best to take
01:38:20.780
attractive people and make them look bad. And so, yeah, I mean, to quote the, the genius of Animal
01:38:28.300
House, you fucked up. You trusted us. And yeah, that's, that's live and learn. Now wait, stay with
01:38:35.400
me another 10 minutes, Glenn, because there's one other story I want to talk to you about. It's a
01:38:39.000
great, great story. It doesn't start great, but it finishes great. I've been talking a lot about
01:38:44.520
Riverbend Ranch because I love their steaks. Well, this holiday season express your love with a very
01:38:49.500
special gift of premium steaks from Riverbend Ranch. They have spectacular beef bundles that
01:38:55.020
are wonderful gifts to friends and family. Their prime rib roast and holiday bundles are only available
01:38:59.720
while supplies last and they're going fast. For the last 35 years, Riverbend Ranch has been creating
01:39:05.620
an elite Angus herd by using ultrasound technology to identify genetically superior cattle with a focus
01:39:12.080
on flavor and tenderness. All Riverbend Ranch cattle are born and raised in the USA. They never use
01:39:17.800
growth hormones or antibiotics. And the beef is processed right at the ranch in their award-winning
01:39:23.060
USDA inspected processing facility. Avoid the costly middlemen because the beef is sent directly
01:39:29.500
from Riverbend Ranch to your home. This is not your average black Angus beef. Order from
01:39:34.580
riverbendranch.com. Use the promo code Megan for 20 bucks off your first order. And let me know what
01:39:39.840
you think. That's riverbendranch.com, promo code Megan.
01:39:43.000
At FanDuel Casino, you get even more ways to play. Dive into new and exciting games and all of your
01:39:51.440
favorite casino classics like slots, table games, and arcade games. Get more on FanDuel Casino.
01:39:58.240
Download the app today. Please play responsibly, 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. If you
01:40:02.720
have questions or concerned about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you, please
01:40:05.820
contact Connect Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge.
01:40:13.000
Hey, everyone. It's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel
01:40:19.280
on SiriusXM. It's called the Megan Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered
01:40:24.460
with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megan Kelly Show, you're going to hear from people
01:40:28.920
like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Drashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics,
01:40:34.860
and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly Channel, SiriusXM 111, and on the
01:40:47.940
Glenn Greenwald is back with me. So tomorrow, we're going to do the show in the morning,
01:40:52.460
and then I will be getting on a plane to go to Arizona to speak at the Turning Point big event,
01:41:00.200
their AMFest production, stands for America Fest 2025. And it was very important to me to go to this,
01:41:05.900
though normally I can't go to this one because we're usually going off to our family vacation for
01:41:12.180
the holidays in Montana. So this year, I said, I'm absolutely going. Try to keep me away because
01:41:18.380
we're all getting out there to try to honor Charlie. This is the first big event since he
01:41:24.340
died. And the last one I was at as well, which was in July, where he interviewed me,
01:41:29.880
and we talked all about Epstein. So I will be there. And Charlie's been on my mind a lot lately
01:41:34.880
for many reasons. And that's why this news jumped out at me and what I wanted to talk to you about,
01:41:40.100
Glenn. There is a woman named Jeannie Beeman, and she works at a Target store in Orland, California.
01:41:51.220
She's older, Jeannie is, and she was minding her own business, doing her job, when a much younger
01:41:57.220
woman, who we now know is named Michaela Ponce, P-O-N-C-E, came over and harassed poor Jeannie
1.00
01:42:04.960
over the fact that she was wearing a shirt honoring Charlie. And here is the video that we know of
01:42:13.220
because the videographer, Michaela Ponce, posted it to her TikTok. Saw at 26.
01:42:21.960
Let you wear that shirt here? Yes. Why? Why are you taking my picture?
01:42:27.840
Why are you wearing that shirt? You're working. It's not a Target shirt. It's a red shirt. I can wear
01:42:32.100
any red shirt. It's not a plain shirt. It doesn't have to be. It's a Charlie Kirk shirt.
01:42:38.720
Yes. Oh, yes, I know. Are you fucking stupid? No.
01:42:42.080
Why the fuck would you wear that? You're at work at Target. That's not a Target shirt. It's
01:42:47.460
not a plain red shirt. You support a racist. It's not racist. You support a racist. He's
01:42:56.100
not a racist. Yes, he is. Yes, he fucking is. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stand here
01:43:01.140
and argue with you. You're not. You should go get your manager. You should not be allowed
01:43:03.980
to wear that at work. Unacceptable. Un-fucking-acceptable. That's your opinion. The opinion is he's a fucking
01:43:11.500
racist and you support him. That's your opinion, ma'am. And you should not be allowed to wear
0.82
01:43:16.740
that. This is going to be taken above your fucking head. That's insane. Insane.
01:43:23.020
It's infuriating. It's really, really infuriating. This is an older woman. Jeannie's obviously,
1.00
01:43:43.400
you know, not a spring chicken. And she's obviously not a rich woman. And she's working at Target,
0.99
01:43:49.520
paying her bills, making an honest living, trying to pick up after people. And she gets harassed by
01:43:56.200
this absolute prick, Michaela Ponce. And Michaela's so proud of herself for harassing Jeannie that Michaela
1.00
01:44:04.540
posts it on her own TikTok because she's looking for likes, Glenn. She's looking for thumbs up and
01:44:11.880
hearts and props from her leftist crowd that's going to think she's awesome for saying Charlie Kirk's a
01:44:18.520
racist and calling Jeannie fucking stupid. You're fucking stupid. Well, that's not how it went.
01:44:26.780
What happened since then is Michaela has, we've now found out, who works as a medical assistant
01:44:38.260
employed by Enloe Health, a nonprofit healthcare system in Chico, Northern California. Michaela's
01:44:45.060
place of employment, the medical center, has now received over 6,000 calls from some very upset
01:44:53.420
Charlie Kirk fans. Here is the CEO of Enloe Health, the employer of Michaela Ponce, who spoke out on it
01:45:05.100
Enloe Health acknowledges that the off hours behavior by a medical assistant employed in one of our
01:45:11.800
allocation clinics, as depicted in a recent social media post, was abhorrent and deeply concerning.
01:45:18.580
We appreciate the many individuals who have seen this post and exercised restraint as they voice their
01:45:24.240
personal views regarding the situation. Unfortunately, many thousands of others have chosen to use profanity-laced
01:45:32.000
language to express their disapproval to Enloe caregivers. I believe there was a period of a few hours where we've
01:45:38.800
received over 6,000 calls. And those are starting to evade a little bit right now. I can tell from my own
01:45:47.020
email box that the emails are starting to subside a little bit. But yeah, we were overwhelmed there for a while.
01:45:53.740
That's Mike Wiltermood, the CEO. And had I had his number, I probably would have been one of the people
01:45:59.400
leaving a profanity-laced message like, Mike, what the fuck is going on with Michaela? She sucks because
1.00
01:46:06.240
you feel better when you express your outrage about her abject harassment of an elderly woman
01:46:11.020
just trying to pay her bills and honor Charlie Kirk while doing it, who was assassinated three months
01:46:16.740
ago. Now, clearly, Michaela has learned that there are millions of us who loved Charlie and have felt
01:46:25.860
inspired by his faith-based conservative messaging and who are 100% in Jeannie's corner because Michaela
01:46:34.020
has been forced to issue the following statement to Action News Now.
01:46:40.260
I want to take full responsibility for my actions and say clearly and sincerely that I was wrong.
01:46:45.020
I behaved badly and I regret it deeply. I want to directly apologize to Jeannie. I'm truly sorry
01:46:50.520
for approaching you at your workplace and putting you in an uncomfortable and unfair position.
01:46:54.580
You did not deserve that and my behavior was wrong. She's not, she hasn't changed her mind about
01:47:01.120
Charlie or apparently about thinking Jeannie's fucking stupid. She's sorry that she approached her
0.83
01:47:06.560
at work and acknowledges maybe Jeannie didn't deserve that. And I would submit to you the reason that
01:47:12.680
Michaela issued that statement is because old Mike Wiltermood is probably thinking about firing her ass
1.00
01:47:20.600
because of the 6,000 profanity-laced phone calls he's received. Now, let's check back in with Jeannie
01:47:26.740
at this point in our story and see how she's doing. She gave an interview and did not know that this had
01:47:34.700
turned into a thing because Jeannie's older and probably is not following Michaela on TikTok. But she did
0.95
01:47:46.280
I know people are calling for her to be fired for this. Do you think that that's right? Would you like
01:47:51.700
that to write? No, I don't think that's that's right. Like one thing I have is two wrongs don't make a
01:48:00.100
right. You know, she wronged me, but I don't want to wrong her or I don't want her her wrong because it's
01:48:08.000
not going to make it right. I mean, that was her opinion. She but she's the one that put it on
01:48:15.160
Facebook or put it on on that. So, you know, but I really wouldn't want to see her somebody lose
01:48:25.880
their job over it. That is so sweet. Jeannie is so sweet. I mean, it had it been me, I would have been
01:48:32.880
like, fire her ass, Mike. She's terrible. Why would you employ this person? But I'm a hothead on these
01:48:38.300
things. And here is the final piece of the story, Glenn, that will make you believe in the power of
01:48:45.940
the American people just one week before Christmas and in the middle of Hanukkah. Here it is.
01:48:53.320
Since the incident, multiple fundraising campaigns have been set up to help Jeannie from Target
01:49:00.200
recover from the incident. She wasn't fired. Target, to its credit, is standing by Jeannie and not
01:49:05.980
telling her she does not, she cannot wear that shirt. But people are, they just want to make Jeannie
01:49:10.340
feel good and show her that we love her. And they originally were trying to raise $20,000 to send
01:49:16.500
Jeannie on a nice vacation. When we last checked, the Give, Send, Go campaign had already raised over
01:49:24.480
$200,000 for Jeannie just to show her that we love her. So this story has it all. It's got the
01:49:34.600
outrage factor. It's got the benevolent Jeannie who didn't call for the firing. It's got the berated
0.99
01:49:40.800
Mike with Wilter Mood who would like the profanity lace phone calls to stop. And it's got our villain,
01:49:48.840
Michaela, who was very well forced into issuing an apology, which I'll take. It's better than no
01:49:57.700
apology. And the great American people who said, we love Jeannie and we're on her side and we want
01:50:04.460
her life to be better. So here's $200,000. All right, now tell me everything you think.
01:50:12.980
Well, first of all, I can't wait to go donate right when I'm done with this interview. And I'll tell you
01:50:16.580
why. It's not because she wore the Charlie Kirk shirt. It's because imagine the generosity of
01:50:23.220
spirit to have somebody. I mean, this is a woman who works at Target. That is a hard job. That is
0.96
01:50:29.600
not an easy life. She's making very poor money. And you can be filled with resentment. Obviously,
1.00
01:50:37.280
the woman that Michaela wanted her fired. So imagine running around and saying, no, I don't want her
1.00
01:50:42.840
fired just because she, she did that to me. That already is such an admirable person. Like how many
01:50:49.140
of us would, would react that way? As you said, like you're kind of a hothead. I don't know at all
01:50:54.240
that that would be my reaction, but I, I, I respected and admire it so much. But I also think there's
01:51:00.140
like this generational thing, which is like, I don't mind that people dislike Charlie Kirk's ideology.
01:51:06.640
He was a very political person. He had very strong political views. People disagreed with it.
01:51:10.840
That's totally fine. The idea though, that like, we now attack each other, like not politicians,
01:51:18.720
right? Like you can yell at politicians for the, you go into a target and see some like older woman
1.00
01:51:22.980
working because she has to at a very difficult job standing on her feet all day. And you're going
01:51:27.600
to berate her and attack her and film it and put it on the internet. Like you've done something noble.
01:51:32.560
That to me signifies like this very rotted spirit that has entered our discourse based on the idea
01:51:38.580
that anyone who has different political views than us is an evil person who should suffer in every
01:51:44.040
single way. And the fact that you have this one woman who's supposedly the villain, because she's
0.99
01:51:48.740
wearing a t-shirt of a racist, evil person being so clearly the better person while you have this
01:51:55.120
other woman, so self-righteous thinking she's so moral acting in a way that no matter your ideology
1.00
01:51:59.960
is so revolting. I think there's a lot of lessons in there that I hope people take away who are like
01:52:05.880
Michaela, but I doubt will. It does happen on both sides. There have been a lot of people who have been
01:52:10.880
attacked for other kinds of views for wearing. And I think we need to get back to the spirit that like
01:52:14.940
part of what is America, like part of what we love about it is that if you're a private citizen,
01:52:19.760
you can express whatever views you want and you don't lose your job over it. You don't get publicly
01:52:24.840
attacked for it. You know, that behavior needs to be scorned. And it was scorned in this case.
01:52:30.700
And the cherry on top is that that woman who displayed so much like moral kindness and generosity
01:52:36.640
of spirit got a just reward. Like it's so rare to have karmic justice like that on every aspect of
0.91
01:52:43.580
the story. So it is a really enjoyable one. It's one I hadn't heard. So I went with you on that journey
01:52:48.220
and was so happy at the end. Shout out to Jeannie for keeping it together in the moment too,
01:52:53.560
right? When your blood could really be boiling, you could be, you know, I'm sure she felt under
01:53:00.900
attack. The woman called her a piece of shit. She called her fucking stupid. She was saying that
1.00
01:53:07.460
she was supporting, yeah, threatened her job, which I'm sure Jeannie needs. Um, obviously was saying
01:53:13.720
that she supported a racist, which implies that Jeannie's racist. Like it had it all. And then she
0.75
01:53:18.460
tried to publicly shame Jeannie by putting on her TikTok, just waiting for all the likes.
0.70
01:53:24.220
Michaela just couldn't, she couldn't wait for everyone to give her props and, you know, finger
01:53:29.220
snaps. And the side of reason roared, roared. I love it. And I kind of do support the profanity-laced
01:53:39.080
phone calls, though it's not Mike's fault, but he heard us. He, Mike, sorry, sorry, Mike
01:53:44.840
Wilterspoon, um, Wiltermood, Wiltermood. It's an interesting name, CEO of California-based and low
01:53:50.340
health. But I do think you should keep an eye on this one, Mike, because I have a feeling Michaela,
01:53:56.420
uh, does not have a generosity of spirit when it comes to people who are on the right side of the
01:54:01.660
aisle who may indeed walk into your clinic one day wearing a Charlie Kirk shirt or not, but deserve to
01:54:07.860
be treated with respect and kindness, even if they happen to be right-leaning. So there's that,
01:54:13.500
Glenn. It's a nice story to end our segment with. Perfect ending, Megan. Absolutely. Reason and,
01:54:18.960
and sanity prevail, even in California. Great to see you, my friend. Have a Merry Christmas,
01:54:25.180
Happy Holidays, and we'll see you on the back end. Always great to see you, Megan. You too. Same to
01:54:29.820
your family. We'll see you shortly. Lots of love and thanks for everything this year. Uh, we are back
01:54:34.900
tomorrow with Buck Sexton. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS,
01:54:50.100
At FanDuel Casino, you get even more ways to play. Dive into new and exciting games and all of your
01:54:56.680
favorite casino classics, like slots, table games, and arcade games. Get more on FanDuel Casino.
01:55:03.480
Download the app today. Please play responsibly, 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. If you
01:55:07.980
have questions or concern about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you,
01:55:10.760
please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge.