The Megyn Kelly Show - Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the disturbing rise of violence against women in Europe by Muslim men ｜ Ep. 64

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today on the program,

00:00:16.880 Ayaan Hirsi Ali. You guys know her. We had her on a few months ago, but we're having her back

00:00:23.640 and for a good reason today. Ayaan's a bestselling author and one of the preeminent thought leaders

00:00:29.240 of our time, really. Her courageous, bold, really just fearless reporting on Islam,

00:00:36.920 on immigration, on women, has changed lives, really globally, and opened the world's eyes

00:00:44.160 to certain risks that too many would prefer to simply ignore out of a desire to be politically

00:00:50.140 correct, to not see the evidence before their very eyes. And she does this all at great risk to

00:00:56.380 herself. Ayaan is the target of an ongoing death order from Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists

00:01:03.520 who see her reporting on Islam as heresy. But on she goes. She will not be deterred. And it's really 0.67

00:01:13.240 affected the way she has to live her life. So you've got to, I hope you'll pay attention to her.

00:01:17.900 Ayaan is funny. We were, we were saying after we did this interview, she's soft-spoken, you know,

00:01:23.260 and you're waiting to sort of hear what she's going to say. And, you know, you're listening

00:01:29.480 to her and then boom, like the substance of what she says has you dropping your jaw because

00:01:36.460 substantively she's done her homework and she's not afraid to tell you what the truth is.

00:01:41.940 Her latest book, sure to be a bestseller, is called Prey, P-R-E-Y. And it takes a hard look at

00:01:48.020 how the spike, the spike in Islamic men seeking asylum in Europe over the last five or six years

00:01:54.600 have, instead of assimilating, started to turn the culture their way, in particular when it comes

00:02:03.140 to misogyny and sexual assault. And the numbers are staggering. So we'll get to Ayaan in one second.

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00:04:22.640 Ayaan Hirsi Ali with her latest book, Pray. The subtitle is Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion

00:04:31.260 of Women's Rights. Ayaan, thanks for coming back. So this, like all of your books, is an important

00:04:37.420 one. And I confess something I hadn't been paying very close attention to. Can you explain to the

00:04:44.040 audience, who are the pray, P-R-E-Y, referenced in the book title?

00:04:49.040 The pray are women. The predators are men. In this case, the predators are immigrant men. They 1.00

00:04:55.360 come mostly from Muslim-majority countries. The predators are unique in that they come from 1.00

00:05:02.160 failed states or failing states. So there's this tendency to feel sorry for them. They themselves

00:05:09.040 have been victims of violence. You know, men who come from places like Syria or Somalia or Eritrea or

00:05:17.280 Afghanistan, they're men we tend to feel sorry for because they've been subjected to disruption,

00:05:24.320 to violence, economic challenges. So you already feel sorry for them. You want them to succeed.

00:05:31.160 And when they arrive in places like Europe, some of them, not all of them, they engage in behavior

00:05:38.120 towards women. That's bad. They engage in sexual harassment and sometimes they act in groups and

00:05:47.160 they behave like predators. So that makes it very difficult to call out their behavior.

00:05:52.040 And now the pray, in this case, it's really all women. The cover of the book tells you some of these

00:05:57.400 women are covered from head to toe. Some of them are teenagers. Some of them are as old as in their 70s. 0.99

00:06:05.480 And people are having a hard time talking about it.

00:06:09.640 Right. And you say that's one of the reasons you needed to write the book, because we've gotten to

00:06:15.280 this place now where the only people raising the alarm on this, you know, this mass migration,

00:06:21.560 in particular into Europe, and the changing of culture in a way that's very misogynistic,

00:06:27.520 to put it mildly. The only people talking about it are sort of these far right groups and

00:06:34.320 nationalists. And it's made it what you say is a taboo zone. And they monopolize the discussion.

00:06:41.440 And then everybody else feels like they're racist or they're bigoted or they're not sympathetic to a

00:06:46.320 struggling group. If they get real about what's happening right now with with respect to all this

00:06:52.660 influx, and what it's doing in particular to women. Exactly, exactly right. So it's the wrong 0.92

00:06:59.220 groups that are talking about a real thing. It's the Russian bots who are exaggerating this because

00:07:06.420 they want to destabilize these European democracies. It's the radical Islamists who are talking about 1.00

00:07:12.820 this because they're saying, look, we have the remedy for this. If you want these men to stop behaving

00:07:19.300 in this way, we have the answer. These women need to cover up and they need to stay inside. 1.00

00:07:25.460 And then you have the far, far right groups and the populists who are saying, you know what,

00:07:30.900 we have the answer. Let's close the borders and deport these men. And immigration is bad. And all 1.00

00:07:38.820 immigration is bad. And all immigrants are bad. And then you have to ask yourself, but where are all 1.00

00:07:43.460 the mainstream rational establishment parties and peoples? And they're the ones who are saying,

00:07:49.380 ouch, oh, we can't talk about this. Because if we do, we are going to empower the bad people.

00:07:56.340 And that's the paradox. By not talking about it, they empower all the bad groups. 0.56

00:08:00.820 Mm-hmm. And basically, I mean, what you're saying is that there are a lot of immigrant girls and women

00:08:10.900 in Europe who have been dealing with this for some time. But it's gone beyond that. European women now 1.00

00:08:19.880 are feeling the effects of this. And in parts of Europe, in some parts of Europe, you write there,

00:08:24.800 there are no women walking around, walking in certain neighborhoods. You say in Brussels, 1.00

00:08:29.560 London, Paris, or Stockholm, only men are visible for a number of reasons. What are they?

00:08:37.140 So immigrant women have been dealing with it and are still dealing with it. So the, I mean, 1.00

00:08:43.760 if you talk about victims, immigrant women are still the largest group of victims, whether they are the

00:08:50.640 ones traveling on the same routes as these immigrant men, or whether they're their wives, sisters,

00:08:57.020 nephews, nephews, nieces, you know, you name it, immigrant women, Muslim women, they still are the 0.66

00:09:04.200 largest number of victims of sexual assault, sexual violence, forced marriages, female gender, 0.95

00:09:10.820 you just name it. And for a long time, I think the attitude was this type of behavior just affects

00:09:17.500 them, it doesn't affect us. And then it started to spill over, I guess, because of the scale of the

00:09:25.180 number of men, and entire neighborhoods became demographically changed. What you see is European 1.00

00:09:33.040 women who weren't affected in that way, started to display adapting mechanisms that immigrant women 1.00

00:09:41.960 were displaying. So they would avoid certain streets, certain parks, neighborhoods, whole neighborhoods

00:09:50.000 became empty of women. You know, you don't go to this cafe, you go to that cafe, you don't take this 1.00

00:09:55.960 bus, you take that bus, you don't take this train, you take that train, you don't go to this park,

00:10:01.140 you don't go to that park. What gets along, you don't leave your house, similar coping mechanisms

00:10:09.760 that immigrant women or even women in the countries of origin had sort of were deploying

00:10:16.560 for ages. This is now what European women or in some neighborhoods are doing. And what I'm 0.54

00:10:24.020 documenting, actually, European women have documented in some countries is there are women free zones 0.94

00:10:31.800 in Sweden, in France, in Germany. And that's interesting, because the promise of Europe was

00:10:39.500 the immigrants are going to adapt, they will integrate, they'll assimilate. And now we're 0.95

00:10:45.440 seeing actually assimilation in the wrong direction.

00:10:48.880 Right, it's, it's, it's not happening where they were the immigrants get folded into the existing 0.67

00:10:54.560 culture. They're, they're taking over the existing culture, at least in this way, which is not something

00:11:00.600 anybody wanted to import, you know, a subjugation of women, that sort of difference in power between the 1.00

00:11:06.800 sexes. And, you know, I, I look at sort of what you've written in the book, and I think

00:11:12.820 it's hard to believe, it's hard to believe that a European woman, you know, a French woman would 1.00

00:11:20.280 cover herself up when she wanted to wear a tank top, because of this would, you know, not eat at her

00:11:27.460 favorite cafe, because more and more, you know, of these sort of migrant men who came from, let's say,

00:11:34.820 Syria, are there. But it's not a bigotry thing. It's, it's the, as Gavin DeBecker would say, it's the

00:11:42.180 gift of fear. They understand, given the data, they're at a very high increased risk for a sexual

00:11:49.240 assault or abuse.

00:11:50.140 And the women I've interviewed actually stated just that way. They say, I'm not bigoted. I'm not against

00:11:58.440 immigration. Many of them say, they vote for social democratic parties or left wing parties.

00:12:07.000 They are very generous, compassionate people, they understand where these men come from, what their

00:12:12.700 needs are. But they don't like the violence. They don't like to be harassed and assaulted and subjected

00:12:20.660 to that kind of demeaning, derogatory, humiliating behavior. So they adopt these self-preserving behavior.

00:12:32.600 And, you know, some women say, I don't wear high heels anymore. I wear tennis shoes. I will ask my

00:12:50.960 boyfriend or my father or my brother to walk with me. You know, I look at my schedule, and I think,

00:12:58.500 maybe tonight I'm not going to go out. I'll stay in. They adopt these, these, some of them wear their

00:13:07.520 earpods because they don't want to hear this catcalling and obscene calls, inviting them to do

00:13:14.640 all sorts of things they don't want to do.

00:13:17.720 They want it. They want their husbands or their boyfriends or their brothers to walk with them

00:13:21.780 or their fathers. Why? Because how would it be perceived if a woman walked by herself in front of

00:13:27.800 a lot of these young men? They're invited to have sex. They're perceived as hoarse. They're seen as 0.99

00:13:35.280 constantly available to have sex. And it's not, the person inviting them, it's usually not even one

00:13:44.240 person. It is, it's more people, two, three, four, these young men act in groups. I talked to

00:13:52.180 a few people, immigrant men who have lived in some of these countries. For instance, the Egyptian

00:13:59.980 Hamad Abdul-Samad, who lives in Germany. And he said, there's just this huge misunderstanding because

00:14:05.860 some of these men, before they come into Europe, they have these prejudices against European women.

00:14:12.160 And they see white women in Hollywood movies. They see them in pornographic movies. And then 1.00

00:14:21.300 they are told when they communicate with relatives that, oh, when you come into Europe, you come

00:14:27.300 into these asylum seekers centers or refugee places. And the first thing that happens is this white 1.00

00:14:33.520 woman, we want to have a relationship with you. That's their prejudice. That's how they judge. And 1.00

00:14:38.800 these things happen. And that's what they expect. They expect white European women to instantly jump 1.00

00:14:44.880 into bed with them. And when that doesn't happen, they're confused. And no one is explaining to them

00:14:51.320 that that's not how life works here. And the European women are confused and saddened and angered. 1.00

00:14:57.480 And the men are confused and saddened and angered. And this is just a clash of values taking place in real

00:15:04.160 time on these streets and other public spaces. Not not everyone. It's not happening to everyone.

00:15:10.660 But it is happening. And it's large enough. And it's happening to enough women for this to cause 1.00

00:15:18.300 problems. And very few people are talking about it. Now, I know that you say right up front in the book,

00:15:24.720 being Muslim does not make you a threat to women. That's not what you're saying. And that the point

00:15:30.160 of the book is not to demonize migrant men from the Muslim world. The point of the book is to shine

00:15:37.780 a light in the same way Me Too did here in, you know, in America, to shine a light on what tend to

00:15:44.900 be like really serious crimes against women in these other neighborhoods over in Europe, often, often 0.75

00:15:52.380 low income, not always. But I mean, the crimes you document in the book, you mentioned gang rape,

00:16:00.640 that's, that's like a thing that seems to be a go to. And it happens over and over rape the rapes of 1.00

00:16:06.900 women. And then a slap on the wrist from the judicial system, Ayan. So before I get to all that, 0.98

00:16:12.700 just speak to the fact that you're, you're not just trying to demonize Muslim men writ large.

00:16:17.180 And I thank you so much, Megan, for saying that, because that's exactly it. The point of the book

00:16:24.400 is not to demonize Muslim men, not all Muslim men guilty of or engage in sexual misconduct. A lot of 0.98

00:16:33.640 Muslim men are really respectful of women. In fact, I've spoken to many of them during the research for

00:16:39.620 this book. Many Muslim men have in many European countries started programs trying to educate and

00:16:47.240 enlighten other Muslim men into respecting the dignity and the equality and the rights of women.

00:16:56.240 So let's just put that out there. But this is causing a lot of social turmoil, a lot of political

00:17:02.800 volatility. So it is a thing. Gun griefs are a thing. Homicide is a thing. And let's put that out

00:17:10.840 there as well. Yeah. What caused the huge influx? You know, the book says about 3 million people

00:17:17.660 arrived illegally in Europe since 2009, says the majority of whom have applied for asylum.

00:17:23.820 Roughly half of those in 2015 and two thirds of those are male, two thirds. So it's a vast,

00:17:31.000 vast majority are men, young men coming in seeking asylum. Why? Why now?

00:17:38.880 So events such as the breakdown of Syria and before Syria events, I mean, Syria is obviously part of

00:17:46.860 what people called the Arab Spring, which actually was the Arab nightmare. All of these Middle Eastern 1.00

00:17:54.540 countries started to break down. And then you have obviously other events, Africa, the Middle East,

00:18:03.720 and this will continue as I write in the book. We are now in the middle of COVID that has affected

00:18:11.580 countries in Africa, the Middle East, parts of Asia. There'll be food shortages. Food shortages are going

00:18:19.340 to cause conflict. Conflict is going to displace hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions

00:18:25.220 of people. That is going to lead to an exodus of people. And it's who will be able to have the

00:18:34.740 courage to cross the Mediterranean? Men, young men, unaccompanied young men. And so we will see a surge

00:18:41.860 of young men try and make their way to where? Europe, the places where they think they can make

00:18:49.220 a living. And so when you have, as Valerie Hudson, whom I quote in the book, and others say,

00:18:57.040 when you have a surge of young men, you can have this type of, you know, disruptions,

00:19:03.040 violence, but especially sexual violence against women. So this is something that should have been 0.99

00:19:08.840 anticipated, especially, Megan, when countries in Europe were already dealing with failed integration

00:19:18.480 or the failed integration or assimilation of first generation and second generation communities

00:19:24.820 from Muslim-majority countries in those European countries. So the problem is compounding. 0.92

00:19:30.520 It's getting worse. It's getting bigger, not smaller.

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00:21:53.560 We've got this mass influx of immigrants from these communities where women are not viewed as equal. And it 1.00

00:22:03.880 adds to a pre-existing problem of non-assimilation. And so why is that? You know, I know you talk in the

00:22:09.900 book about how here in America, we had the Irish come over, we had the Italians come over. And as we

00:22:15.560 saw in the 1900s here in America, they had some rough years, but they immigrated. They adopted the

00:22:21.720 culture without kissing off their cultural roots, but they adapted. And it's not happening there.

00:22:28.360 These guys are maintaining their own culture. And as you point out, it's starting to act as a

00:22:34.400 contagion outward. Why? I think the story of American immigration is very different.

00:22:40.480 American, especially early immigration into America was selective. The story of America

00:22:47.540 is still not, the immigration story of America is still a selective one. I know there are caravans

00:22:53.140 arriving from Central and South America, but unlike in Europe, the story is still a selective one.

00:23:00.300 And America is a heterogeneous nation. We have big confrontations about who we allow in, 0.93

00:23:08.180 what the conditions are, and what happens if you don't assimilate. And the system of being thrown

00:23:14.760 out, that's all very well established. It's very different. And then one more thing about America,

00:23:21.500 the early Europeans who came in, even when they came from Eastern Europe, different parts of Northern

00:23:28.880 Europe, the culture, there were cultural differences, but the gap wasn't that large. Here you have

00:23:36.820 Europe, which was really mainly a homogenous continent, bringing people in from radically different

00:23:46.340 cultures. Islamic civilization is very different from Christian civilization. And one big difference is 1.00

00:23:57.880 the attitude towards women. And again, in Muslim majority countries, the attitudes toward women in the

00:24:06.320 50s, 60s, 70s, had very much relaxed and began to resemble that of Europe. But then again, it went

00:24:12.880 backwards. And so now if you are a young man growing up in those cultures in the 80s, 90s, you tend to be

00:24:21.360 more misogynistic than, say, your fathers and grandfathers. And now we're seeing this encounter.

00:24:28.420 Big story, too complex to talk about in a podcast. But these encounters are now happening on the streets

00:24:35.340 of Europe. And some of these men are coming not only from, let's say, Islamist countries or Islamist

00:24:44.080 influenced countries, but they're also coming from broken down societies, a country like Syria or Libya 0.95

00:24:51.200 or Somalia. These are broken down societies. They don't even have any kind of order. And violence is 0.99

00:25:00.300 the prevailing norm. And so it shouldn't surprise these European authorities that some of these men

00:25:07.640 will behave in ways that are challenging in general.

00:25:15.700 They're not going to learn the language. You know, it's that's that is one thing, but it's well beyond that,

00:25:21.500 including you point out in the book, the like the way they view girls coming in, the way they practice their

00:25:30.020 lies towards girls between, quote unquote, honor violence and genital mutilation, which you've been

00:25:36.840 very open about the fact that you were subjected to that at five years old when you were in Somalia

00:25:40.800 before you left. And you outline in the book something called grooming gangs, which are a part of certain

00:25:47.680 of these cultures that now are popping up in Europe, too. I mean, it's horrific. Honor violence is basically 0.71

00:25:54.460 your daughter, your Muslim daughter is not behaving in a way that you find honorable and you can murder 1.00

00:26:00.760 her. The code in your religion sees no problem in you murdering your child. And then can you speak to 1.00

00:26:08.960 that and to grooming gangs? What are they? So if you think about honor violence and you say, OK, my sister,

00:26:19.040 my daughter, my mother, my daughter, my mother, the female in my family is supposed to behave in a modest 0.96

00:26:24.420 way. And if she behaves in a way that violates that code of modesty, then she should be punished in 1.00

00:26:35.260 several ways, the most extreme of which is to kill her. That is within a code. Where that code does not 0.99

00:26:43.660 exist or where women are seen as immodest, then it is perfectly OK to see women as commodities and to 1.00

00:26:56.700 trade in them and to groom them and sell them to other men and rape them. And so if you look at what 1.00

00:27:04.580 the, say, these Pakistani gangs have done to the working class girls in the United Kingdom, 0.97

00:27:12.200 sell them to one another and rape them in, you know, sell one, two, three, four men. There were young 0.95

00:27:22.420 girls who were raped by over sometimes 10 or 20 men. That is because the men, the older men who are doing 0.99

00:27:33.640 this to children don't view those girls as fellow human beings. They see them as toys. They see them as 0.90

00:27:41.400 commodities, as commodities, as things. And that is something to you and me, it's incomprehensible,

00:27:47.900 but it is a mindset. Again, I'm not saying that's exclusive to Pakistanis or to Muslims, but it's

00:27:55.440 something we have to recognize as existing. And unless you name it and you shame it and you socialize

00:28:03.880 young men, regardless of where they come from, what their background is, what their culture is,

00:28:08.840 they're not going to learn to recognize girls and women as fellow human beings and empathize with

00:28:15.980 them as such. But it's so hard to socialize them out of that, right? Because more and more they

00:28:23.620 live in communities that are sort of shutting out the outside community, that they practice the same,

00:28:32.720 as you describe in the book, regressive religiosity, that they practice back at home. They continue to

00:28:38.860 see any attempt by the girls to become more westernized as verboten. That would be shot down. 0.99

00:28:45.640 I mean, God forbid, punished with an honor violence situation. But how on earth do we crack through all

00:28:51.820 of that?

00:28:52.120 So the perpetrators in the case of the grooming gangs in the United Kingdom were born and raised in the 0.54

00:28:58.720 United Kingdom. The failure lies with the authorities in the United Kingdom because they knew this was

00:29:05.380 happening. They knew this was being done to the children, but they were terrified of being called

00:29:09.960 racist. And they made a trade-off. And the trade-off was that they were, they chose not to be identified

00:29:18.680 as racist. They were afraid of the insults and the pain that the insult of racism would cause them

00:29:25.320 rather than stand up for the children. They betrayed those children.

00:29:30.420 How can that be? I mean, I understand not swooping in and saying, learn English. I get that,

00:29:39.140 being perceived as culturally insensitive. I don't get there are grooming gangs where girls as young as 11

00:29:46.120 are being passed around to be repeatedly raped by different men and the cops don't do anything out

00:29:52.580 of political correctness. Some of these cops and other social workers and other grown-ups whose job

00:30:00.480 it was to stop this thing came out and confessed that the reason they didn't stop these horrendous

00:30:10.160 activities was because of their fear that they would be identified as bigots. And so it's obviously the acts of the perpetrators

00:30:20.760 and their perception of, you know, seeing, not seeing these girls as fellow human beings and just seeing them as

00:30:28.840 instruments, toys to be played with. But it's also the host society betraying these children because of their own

00:30:38.020 selfish self-image. So I think it is where, and here's where you have to talk about these things and

00:30:44.180 this clash of values. And this is what I want to achieve with this book is get everything out into

00:30:51.140 the open. It's not about only the immigrant men and it's not only about the people whose culture

00:30:57.280 wholeheartedly teaches misogyny, but it's also the people whose culture pretends that women are equal

00:31:05.420 and that, you know, we have this high-minded culture, but there's nothing when push comes to show.

00:31:11.800 That's right. They sit on their hands. Can you explain that regressive religiosity? Because that to me was a

00:31:18.460 new concept and it made a lot of sense when it comes to employability and why a lot of men in this

00:31:27.140 community are not getting jobs, which as everyone knows, never leads to anything good.

00:31:32.740 You know, starting in the late 70s, there's this rise in political Islam where there's a lot of

00:31:40.880 preaching that the answer to the reason why the Arab Muslim world is backward is because they left 0.95

00:31:47.460 the basic tenets of Islam. So they were supposed to go back to the basic tenets of Islam. 0.94

00:31:52.680 That is, you may have heard of organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood. That's ultimately what led to

00:31:58.620 Al-Qaeda, ultimately what led to the kind of extremism such as ISIS. A lot of these schools of radical

00:32:06.420 Islamist thoughts were established in various parts of Europe and even in the United States of America.

00:32:11.900 But that led then to people becoming more religious and rejecting modernity. And the more you study the

00:32:22.440 Koran, the more you go to the mosque, the more you reject modern life, obviously, the more, the less 0.96

00:32:28.820 prepared you are for it. Again, animosity towards women, animosity towards homosexuality, animosity towards 0.55

00:32:35.820 Jews and Jewish minorities, animosity to the society, modern society that you, that has hosted you. 1.00

00:32:43.040 And then the retreat into these ghettos. And I think that is where when you ask one part of what is

00:32:50.880 skipping integration from happening is this establishment of ghettos. This is what the French 1.00

00:32:57.560 president called Islamist separatism, which he now said he's tackling because they have these 0.87

00:33:05.100 drip drop of terrorist attacks. But then when there is a terrorist attack, you know, it dominates

00:33:12.960 the headlines. What doesn't dominate the headlines is this terrorizing of women in the streets and in 1.00

00:33:21.680 the public space.

00:33:23.600 And when these men and their families stay in these, quote unquote, ghettos, they, maybe they 0.64

00:33:31.000 don't want to get out. Maybe their culture is just all around them and they don't feel, you know,

00:33:34.480 comfortable. But they, that these attitudes affect their ability to get a job or even want a job

00:33:41.120 working for, let's say a gay boss or in a company that has a bunch of women. They're, they're not 0.99

00:33:47.800 supposed to be doing that. And, and I imagine if they try to do it anyway, and they have these

00:33:52.460 beliefs, it doesn't go very well. So you have a bunch of folks like immigrants from these countries 1.00

00:33:57.520 that are war torn, who aren't all that keen on assimilating in the first place, who may want a job,

00:34:02.560 but the field of jobs they're willing to do is very small. And then when doing them, I'm sure

00:34:10.120 it's very eyeopening experience.

00:34:12.360 It is if they even get to those jobs, because then that is also, like I said earlier, there's a response

00:34:19.720 from the potential employers who don't even want to hire them. And so if you, I don't know how much

00:34:26.760 time you've spent in many of these European countries, they don't want to hire them. So there's

00:34:30.500 this whole, they're discriminated against and they don't want the jobs. So you have a very

00:34:38.520 high unemployment rate. They depend on welfare that creates resentment. Men who are unemployed

00:34:46.200 and on welfare and bored and are on the streets and then are up to no good. And, you know, you just

00:34:53.460 have this whole cycle of negative behavior, rejection. That is, they reject the society

00:35:04.480 they've come to, the society they've come to rejects them and they engage in negative behavior

00:35:10.720 towards women and others. And this goes on and on. And this is just really, that's what I mean by

00:35:16.600 failed integration. Again, not everyone. There's a slice of immigrants, men and women, who adjust

00:35:24.560 and adapt, but there's a large swathe of them that failed to adapt and are overrepresented in crime

00:35:33.740 statistics, in welfare. That's what it's called in Europe. I think we call them entitlements here,

00:35:39.880 or food stamps or something like that. School dropouts, you know, menial jobs. And then there

00:35:47.520 are all the accusations of, there is racism and discrimination and exclusion. And then, oh yeah,

00:35:54.480 but then there is terrorism and sexual violence and domestic violence. And this goes on and on.

00:36:01.160 And the numbers are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And there are more and more immigrants

00:36:05.060 coming in. Immigration situation never gets addressed. People just keep arriving and arriving 1.00

00:36:09.060 and arriving. Yeah, it's not good. There's no abatement anytime soon. And on that point of the

00:36:13.840 increase in sexual violence, the book Prey points out that places like England, Wales, Denmark, Sweden,

00:36:22.160 after 2015, you just saw like the numbers started to shoot up, that they've doubled, you say,

00:36:27.820 they've doubled the number of sexual violence incidents in three years in some of these places.

00:36:32.880 Germany, striking increase in rape cases after 2015, when Merkel let in a lot of Syrians and others.

00:36:40.520 Sweden, doubling of sex offenses against women between 14 and 16, doubling people, double.

00:36:46.780 And then you go, the book goes through, and I credit you for this, Ayan, because 0.94

00:36:50.560 it's one thing to sort of make the generalization to say the stats are going up and it's troubling.

00:36:57.540 It's another to actually show the cases. And that, to me, is the most disturbing part of the book,

00:37:02.480 but also eye-opening, where these crimes are happening and these defendants get a slap

00:37:08.560 on the wrist and excuse-making, sometimes even by the victims. Sometimes the European women in 0.96

00:37:17.240 particular feel somehow bad having an immigrant get prosecuted for hurting her. That's nuts. 0.98

00:37:22.860 Um, but also the judges, you talk in the, in the, you write in the book about one case in which

00:37:28.780 the judge, after a man had a woman, it was a 23-year-old Turkish man who had a woman for four

00:37:37.400 hours tied to a bed where he was raping her in 17, in Berlin, this is. And the defense was basically,

00:37:45.980 I thought it was consensual, given the way my culture works. And they bought it. The judge was

00:37:53.000 like, you're right, acquitted. It just doesn't seem possible.

00:37:56.900 I know. And this is just the madness of it all, that culture and cultural defense is used in

00:38:04.540 sometimes to say it doesn't exist, just as an argument of denial. And so culture is not a factor

00:38:16.360 here. And at other times it's used exactly as an explanation where he couldn't know because in

00:38:24.540 his culture, it's okay. And that is what's mind boggling. 0.97

00:38:32.100 In a minute, I'm going to ask Ayan whether this problem is likely to come here to the United States

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00:40:36.240 mask up dot com today. And now I want to bring you a feature we call sound up here in the program.

00:40:44.740 Remember how the Biden White House was going to be like totally transparent with us and they were

00:40:50.740 going to this is going to be the one that restored like trust to the White House, this administration

00:40:55.620 and their spokespeople? Well, I'll let you be the judge. On the Megyn Kelly show, we have had on some

00:41:00.720 of the smartest minds when it comes to the trans trend and the massive rise of girls.

00:41:06.240 girls saying that they're trans now. I mean, it's basically, you know, biological girls who claim 0.52

00:41:12.060 they're trans and that they're actually boys. We've heard from Abigail Schreier, Dr. Debra Soe.

00:41:17.240 These folks have been ostracized and dismissed as bigots. They're not not even close. They're looking

00:41:23.060 at science and real data and jumping up and down with some important red flags. Not unlike Ayaan on her

00:41:29.260 issues. Well, the topic came up recently in the Biden administration in the press briefing room

00:41:34.460 when one reporter asked the press secretary, Jen Psaki, about the issue. Apparently, it's a Fox

00:41:40.000 News radio reporter. I actually don't remember this gal, although her name's familiar. I will say it's

00:41:44.720 not the best articulated question. All right. But what she was asking was pretty clear. And what's

00:41:49.820 important is the answer? Listen. President Biden's transgender rights executive action,

00:41:55.500 specifically when it applies to high school sports. What message would the White House have

00:42:00.380 for trans girls and cis girls who may end up competing against each other in sparking some

00:42:07.920 lawsuits and some concern among parents? So this administration have guidance for schools on

00:42:14.500 dealing with disputes rising over trans girls competing against and with cis girls.

00:42:20.540 Ms. I'm not sure what your question is. The president's executive order.

00:42:25.220 Ms. I'm familiar with the order, but what was your question about it?

00:42:27.940 The Press. My question is, does the president have a message for local school officials on dealing

00:42:32.320 with these kind of disputes that are already starting to arise between trans girls who are competing

00:42:39.880 and cis girls in a level playing field, particularly in high school sports when it leads to 0.99

00:42:45.840 college scholarships? Is there any kind of messaging or clarification that the White House wants to

00:42:50.800 give on the executive order? I would just say that the president's belief is that trans rights are

00:42:56.240 human rights, and that's why he signed that executive order. And in terms of the determinations by

00:43:01.520 universities and colleges, I would certainly defer to them. That's it? Trans rights are human rights?

00:43:08.140 What about women's rights? What about the rights of girls to compete on a fair and level playing

00:43:15.800 field? What about them? I realize these are tricky issues. Don't get me wrong. If I had a child who was

00:43:22.920 trans, I would want them to be able to compete in sports in a way that was fair to them, but fair to

00:43:28.700 everyone. And we've got to start having these real conversations about how we can take care of these

00:43:34.420 children, right? But not always at the expense of the girls, not always at the expense of the women

00:43:40.040 who no longer get to call themselves women. If you look at these, what these activists are telling us,

00:43:44.240 right, who can't talk about the fact that it is women who menstruate and it's women who have 0.98

00:43:48.480 children, right? You're not allowed to say that. Somehow you're a bigot if you say that. Well, I said it.

00:43:52.800 It's the truth. And it doesn't mean I'm not supportive of the trans community.

00:43:59.300 This whole thing reminded me, and I, you know, I'm going to forward this to Jen Psaki. I'm going to

00:44:02.980 send it to the White House of a New York Post op-ed piece that was, that was published back in 2019

00:44:09.260 by a concerned mom out of Connecticut who was sounding the alarm on this. And she was talking about

00:44:13.980 her daughter, Alana, saying, my daughter has worked day and night to be a star athlete. As a freshman,

00:44:21.600 I'm reading now. She led her high school team to its third straight team championship in the

00:44:26.100 Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference by winning the 100-meter, 200-meter, 400-meter

00:44:30.500 and one of the most dominant individual performances in meet history. She was an integral

00:44:35.440 component in the team's first place finish in the state open and in smashing pairs of records

00:44:40.480 at the New England championships in Maine. I think this is track. Alana has devoted countless days,

00:44:46.580 nights, and weekends to training. She pushes herself to shave mere fractions of a second from her race times,

00:44:50.980 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all like how hard the girl works. Then she says, since 17,

00:44:55.820 our state's high school athletic conference has allowed biological boys to compete against girls.

00:44:59.780 It's enough that they just subjectively identify as female. That's all they have to do. 0.95

00:45:06.500 And since then, two biological boys have won 15 women's track championships,

00:45:11.380 titles held by nine different girls in 2016. Not only that, she writes, the same two biological boys

00:45:17.340 have taken away more than 50 chances for girls to compete at the next level of competition,

00:45:22.260 running these girls right off the track, forcing them to be spectators in their own sport, 1.00

00:45:28.260 trans rights or human rights. Jen Psaki, pay attention. Pay attention. Here's the mom continuing 0.98

00:45:34.840 about her daughter Alana's experience. As a parent, it is gut-wrenching to know that no matter how hard

00:45:41.140 my daughter works to achieve her goals, she will lose athletic opportunities to a pernicious 1.00

00:45:45.680 gender ideology. Left unchecked, this ideology will in the long run eliminate fair play for all 1.00

00:45:51.980 biological females in sports. As we're seeing in Connecticut, a biological boy's subjective sense

00:45:56.860 of his gender doesn't cancel out his physical advantage over girls. And I'll leave you with this

00:46:03.520 piece of it. Lest I be assailed by the PC crowd, the mom, this has nothing to do with white privilege. 1.00

00:46:10.280 My daughter is a beautiful young woman of color. Nor is it about lifestyle. I believe love is love.

00:46:16.760 It is about fairness of play, about women not being spectators in their own sports, about a level

00:46:23.740 playing field. I want to get this woman on the show. And maybe we can get Jen Psaki to consider 1.00

00:46:30.540 Alana's experience and do better than trans rights or human rights. How empty, how shallow, right? 1.00

00:46:40.280 Either she doesn't know what she's talking about. She hasn't done her homework. And so she's just too

00:46:45.100 empty headed to speak intelligently on the subject, which is a problem. Or she knows all about it and

00:46:51.760 she just dodged because it's too politically fraught. Also a problem. The whole thing really

00:46:57.160 upsets me because more and more we're seeing biological girls and biological women get the 0.99

00:47:01.920 short end on these things. And when anybody speaks up to say, hey, I'm not sure that's fair. It's

00:47:06.420 shut up, bigot. Well, this isn't going to cut it. This doesn't inspire confidence. I'll tell you 0.99

00:47:11.820 that, that our current administration is thinking critically around this important issue, but we're

00:47:15.660 going to stay on it. Here, we'll bring you the facts and the truth and hopefully this mom. 0.98

00:47:20.300 And that is another edition of Sound Up. Now back to Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

00:47:25.080 For like the last three decades, it's just as we described, things are getting worse. And then a

00:47:36.000 great event happens like the 2015 event. And we know it's going to happen again. Things will spike

00:47:41.880 again because of all the events we talked about, but never preparing for these events. And when things

00:47:48.380 get out of hand, the cultural or religious elements will be either to deny or to explain, but just,

00:47:56.980 it's really a mind-boggling. There's a case you detail of an 18-year-old named, it looks like

00:48:03.700 Francesca W. Yeah. Saying she left, is it Freiburg? Is that in Germany, I assume? Yeah. Okay.

00:48:10.840 Nightclub in October of 2018 with a Syrian asylum seeker that she had met,

00:48:18.380 inside. Unbeknownst to her, he was already a suspect in a gang rape. He rapes her. And then

00:48:27.060 he invited 11 men to join in, Syrians and Iraqi and Algerian and one German between the ages of 19 and

00:48:36.080 29. And these guys got prison terms at the most of three to four years. Couple got suspended sentences.

00:48:44.620 I like that. Then there's another, you detail another story in the area on where somebody who

00:48:51.180 had, who had raped a woman and then she died. He left her to drown by the river bank. He had come

00:48:57.860 in from Afghanistan. He claimed to be an unaccompanied minor from Afghanistan. He was placed with a German

00:49:03.020 family, a German host family and had been sent to school. So Germany rolls out the red carpet for this 0.64

00:49:08.220 guy. Turns out he's from Iran, we think. And then they find out he was already convicted of a murder

00:49:14.100 in Greece. And the Greek cops said, you know what? He was unremorseful when he did it here. When we asked

00:49:19.600 him, why did you kill this woman? He said, that's just a woman. So how did these people with criminal 0.83

00:49:25.120 convictions in their, in a European country or in another country that came before even get accepted

00:49:32.480 into the country as a potential asylum candidate? This is all illustration after illustration of

00:49:38.960 how these systems are failing their women. It's gruesome story after gruesome story after gruesome 1.00

00:49:45.560 story. And Megan, they'll say, we accept these people, but they never adjust the institutions

00:49:52.500 not to protect their women, not to accept the immigrants. Nothing changes. They don't adjust the 1.00

00:50:00.420 immigration system. They don't adjust the integration system. They don't protect their 0.98

00:50:05.500 women. It is just too ludicrous for words. They demonize anybody who questions their motives. 1.00

00:50:16.100 Why don't they get deported on crime number one?

00:50:18.960 You have to look at the deportation systems, which we try to look at in the book. And there is just this

00:50:25.480 huge incompetence around these subjects and all the incompetence that just, this is sheer

00:50:32.140 incompetence. The incompetence is all hidden behind moralizations. They moralize. And if you ask the

00:50:40.300 questions you're asking, which we've asked, they'll moralize at you and they'll demonize you. If you ask

00:50:44.960 these questions and the only people who will talk to you, they will say, who will, who will be honest

00:50:49.720 with you, they'll say, please don't mention my name. We'll talk to you anonymously. If you wanted to

00:50:54.900 deploy, we had the resources and you wanted to deploy, let's say, just investigative resources to get to

00:51:02.540 the bottom of this. I think you could uncover a lot, but you would find a lot of people talking to you

00:51:10.660 anonymously.

00:51:11.600 I know you went to a lot of these European countries. You had research assistants who did

00:51:17.300 the same. And in the book, you recount how in, in places like Brussels or certain Paris districts

00:51:26.040 and elsewhere, you'll walk by and you'll see some of these migrant men freely playing soccer in the

00:51:31.920 park. And occasionally you'll see a Muslim woman veiled in black from head to toe, seen hurrying along,

00:51:38.460 you know, behind or, but, but what you won't see is what you would expect to see, which is European

00:51:44.940 women out doing their thing, living their lives. But like just the dynamic has changed where it looks

00:51:50.420 more like Turkey or it looks more like Iran. And the meantime, gun sales are going up. Women are buying

00:51:58.600 guns and have to download something called a no go zone app on their phone to figure out where is safe

00:52:07.000 and where is not, and they're buying pepper spray and they're buying, or, and then it gets even more

00:52:13.000 ridiculous. They're being advised to wear, um, bracelets, um, that are supposed to emit, uh, skunk

00:52:23.400 like smells. Um, they're putting signs up, let's say, uh, no, um, groping. I mean, it's getting

00:52:33.720 to ridiculous points. Um, the mayor is giving advice. Don't wear high heels. Um, they've consulted

00:52:42.900 with the imams who say, well, then don't sell alcohol, uh, to young men. I mean, it's, we found 0.99

00:52:52.620 again, it's not all neighborhoods. I also want to point out, you will find a lot of European women 0.99

00:52:59.780 lounging freely and doing their own European thing in parks and stuff like that, but it's, um,

00:53:07.040 in working class neighborhoods. So this is a class thing also. It's the working class women who are 1.00

00:53:14.120 being let down. It's, uh, you have to go very far from your neighborhood. Basically the burden of the

00:53:24.040 unintended consequences of this type of immigration is being born by the women with in low income 1.00

00:53:31.420 neighborhoods, but it's spreading to some areas. And we have been to neighborhoods that are completely

00:53:36.480 women free. Uh, there is a Swedish senior politician who was taken to a neighborhood and he was, uh,

00:53:43.140 asked to take a tour around and he was asked what's missing here. And he looked around and he couldn't

00:53:47.420 turn it. It's women. Wow. The thing you mentioned in the book was anti-rape underwear. There there's 1.00

00:53:53.660 now a product you can buy. It's like some bizarre chastity. I don't know what it is, but when your

00:54:00.240 society has had to resort to that and skunk smelling bracelets, you got a problem. You got a problem.

00:54:07.040 It needs a dressing. Um, yeah, I mean, you have to laugh cause it's just so absurd. But, you know,

00:54:13.440 I think the other, the other piece of this is like you talk in the book about what happened to the

00:54:17.080 feminists, right? Where are the feminists? Why aren't they fighting this war? Well, a lot of them 1.00

00:54:22.380 are like, uh, the new commissioner of Europe, von der Leyen. It's, um, they're so preoccupied with

00:54:29.160 this glass ceiling and women CEOs. Um, uh, and Hey, uh, don't get me wrong. I think that's a fine 1.00

00:54:38.820 cause to fight for. I don't envy them for that, but there is no feminism right now that is fighting 1.00

00:54:46.980 that cause. Maybe one day working class women and immigrant women will join hands and fight this 1.00

00:54:55.040 particular cause because it affects them. They share those neighborhoods where they're being harassed

00:55:01.260 and groped and raped by strange men that they don't know who, and these strange men are acting in 0.67

00:55:07.500 groups. And maybe these women should act in groups and say, we need our neighborhoods to be safe. 1.00

00:55:12.720 But right now there is no feminist movement that is acting for them. Identity politics and the 0.99

00:55:19.360 feminism that that has produced is not fighting for them. It's silencing them. You should see this 1.00

00:55:27.300 woman, uh, who has reviewed play in the New York times today. It's published today. She's making a

00:55:33.520 complete caricature of the book. And that's the type of voice that is not doing anything for them,

00:55:41.160 not doing anything. She, she, uh, leveling the bigotry accusation and the sweeping generalizations,

00:55:47.460 that kind of thing. Exactly. Total silence. Just making a caricature, uh, the white woman versus 0.73

00:55:54.520 black man, uh, bigotry and just bullshit. Sorry. I don't, I didn't mean to use that word, 1.00

00:55:59.780 but no, it's fine. I mean, does it, does it count in her book if it's black women getting, 0.99

00:56:03.680 I mean, cause black women are having this happen to like, this is so absurd. I guarantee you that 1.00

00:56:07.080 woman is living in some Brooklyn Brownstone is sipping a latte on her iMac writing this and not 0.86

00:56:13.980 really giving two dams about what's happening to any woman of any skin color over there, just as long 1.00

00:56:19.100 as she thinks she's on the quote right side. Absolutely. And I would invite her to walk in any

00:56:23.420 of those neighborhoods if she had the time. Exactly. She's in a Brooklyn Brixton. So that type 0.78

00:56:29.420 of feminism is doing nothing for these women, but that's exactly what needs to happen. I think these 1.00

00:56:34.600 women, they have to stand up for themselves. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving

00:56:40.580 a platform airtime. Of course, of course. I mean, you'll touch the third rail on issues nobody wants

00:56:48.100 you to touch. And then they try to dismiss you by saying that you, you know, you, you say all Muslims

00:56:53.040 are bad or rapists or what have you. And you've never said that you've always been careful about 0.70

00:56:58.460 your language. They just refuse to hear it. So let me ask you this. What, what now? Right. I mean,

00:57:05.520 I would say tighten the, the migration rules. Um, but how are they going to have to deal with the 0.73

00:57:13.240 asylum framework? I guess. I mean, what, what, what would be the first thing you talk in the book

00:57:17.240 about Angela Merkel got Europe into a lot of this mess by accepting so many of these people in 1.00

00:57:22.580 Germany? Let me put it to you, another woman, how to get us out of this mess. What, what's the 1.00

00:57:27.440 solution? The solution is to expose the incompetence. It's to say, if you want true leadership, you have

00:57:33.740 to revisit the whole idea of asylum. That is to get to the big picture of how in this interconnected

00:57:40.960 world, are we going to deal with the large movements of masses and masses of people, especially

00:57:46.800 young men? What types of solutions are the rich countries going to, like working together, do in

00:57:54.180 the countries of origin? How many people can we take in? What does asylum even mean anymore? What, you

00:58:00.420 know, how are we going to deal with economic refugees? What are we going to do to protect 1.00

00:58:06.200 the rights and freedoms of women? What about immigration? What about integration? If you want

00:58:14.260 to sacrifice social cohesion and encourage political volatility in wealthy countries, then fling the

00:58:22.960 doors open and invite everyone in. And that's fine. And there's no need to have a difference between

00:58:29.460 rich countries and poor countries. Everybody can be a poor country.

00:58:32.620 And that's one way of doing it.

00:58:36.540 And I know you think sex education is important too.

00:58:41.600 Sex education is important. But if you want to have sex education, if you want the values of 0.96

00:58:47.780 freedom and equality and women's rights, a true challenge to bigotry, if you want to challenge

00:58:55.220 those, then you are going to have to wade into the culture wars and which values are superior

00:59:01.740 to which values. And for that, you need courage. You need to address those. And that's exactly what

00:59:09.620 these European leaders lack, most of them at any rate.

00:59:14.360 Although you've pointed out last time we talked about that Macron seems to have grown a spine

00:59:18.340 and in particular is focusing on multiculturalism, which I know you say we've got to avoid this

00:59:25.420 obsessive focus on this, that we can't treat that term and that idea of multiculturalism.

00:59:32.400 You know, we can be next to each other in the same country with very, very different norms and ethics

00:59:38.220 and so on as sacrosanct anymore.

00:59:41.680 Yes. He said we cannot have these Islamist separatist neighborhoods and the values of the 1.00

00:59:50.580 republic prevail. So yes, he has grown a spine and that means a complete rejection of multiculturalism

00:59:57.540 and moral relativism. The question is, is he doing this only because he wants to win the elections of

01:00:04.500 next year or is this a lasting proposition which he really is going to fight for even after he

01:00:11.940 wins re-election?

01:00:13.140 Well, and also how does he force it? You know, you look at those, what I guess they're called

01:00:16.860 dish cities in outside of Paris or, you know, where they're basically, you say in the book,

01:00:22.360 they're cultural enclaves where people are watching satellite TV from abroad, not really tuning into

01:00:27.240 the local culture, but how does he enforce it? You know, how, how do you get those people back out 1.00

01:00:31.460 into the culture, make them take sex ed, start to, I don't know, make them love brie and wine and

01:00:38.140 beautiful Parisian women in a way that's appropriate.

01:00:42.740 They don't have to eat brie and drink wine and love Parisian women, but they have to keep their 1.00

01:00:50.400 hands to themselves and respect women. And, you know, there are some basic values about the rule of

01:00:57.320 law and sort of just these basic boundaries of live and let live. And Megan, we've been subjected

01:01:03.680 at least the last 11 or 12 months to the COVID rules, social distancing, wearing the mask,

01:01:11.560 these lockdowns. And I think if these governments were to make this a priority, they could do it.

01:01:19.700 They know they can. We know they can. It's just never been a priority.

01:01:25.960 Do we have to worry about this here?

01:01:27.640 It depends on the number of, it's always a scale thing. And in Europe, they do have now this scale

01:01:34.720 that they have to worry about it. And in the United States, I think where, and they don't have to be

01:01:40.560 Muslim men. It's just that where you have a large enough number of men who don't give two hoots about 1.00

01:01:49.960 women's rights, then you have to worry about it. And we shall see if we have a government that will 1.00

01:01:57.020 enforce the laws we have. Fortunately, in America, you don't get a slap on the wrist for rape.

01:02:03.040 That's right. Yeah, we're doing some things right. Ayan, once again, it's an eye-opening read. I was

01:02:09.660 happy to read it, to blurb it, and to support it. And I think people will find it very informational,

01:02:15.440 a little scary, but it's almost a civic responsibility to read it. And we got to stay

01:02:19.520 up on what's happening over there. They're our friends. Europe's our friends. We all, I remember

01:02:25.260 covering the Syrian war in detail, and the pictures were so horrific. And there really was a question

01:02:30.680 of what to do with the refugees and what to do with the children. And at the time, Angela Merkel was

01:02:35.960 praised as a hero for letting everybody in. And now you see that the consequences of some of those

01:02:41.720 decisions, some of which were foreseen and some of which weren't. This is the other piece of the

01:02:46.200 story. So as usual, Ayan is ahead of the curve on it. And by the way, has a new podcast, which is

01:02:52.660 exciting. How did it go, the first episode? It was fantastic. Thank you so much. And Megan,

01:02:58.380 you are always amazing and always so supportive. Thank you so, so, so very much. My pleasure.

01:03:04.500 Thank you so much.

01:03:34.500 Be on the lookout for our next episode, which you're going to want to hear. Let me tell you

01:03:39.640 what happened. A young Caucasian student at a girl's school, a private Catholic girl's school

01:03:47.200 in St. Louis has filed a lawsuit claiming that she has been relentlessly bullied, targeted and 0.63

01:03:55.360 attacked. Not exactly physically, but rhetorically and in other ways, because she was the subject

01:04:03.500 of a racism allegation that she says was totally unfounded. And she said she can prove it was

01:04:09.320 totally unfounded. But what happened was the school, according to her, allowed a torrent of

01:04:16.520 bullying to be unleashed against her. And we're going to get into what happened to her life. You've got to

01:04:21.160 hear it to believe it. And the school did nothing. Nothing. Why? Because they were terrified. Because

01:04:29.360 the person accusing her was black. Because that person was claiming she was the victim of our 0.98

01:04:36.340 plaintiff's alleged behavior. And it goes from there. But it's an intriguing and telling and disturbing

01:04:45.240 story. And this is the first time this young woman has spoken out. She's just filed a lawsuit. She's

01:04:50.780 going by Jane Doe. But she's here. And she's going to tell us everything. And guess who she's represented

01:04:55.340 by? Remember Mark McCloskey? The guy who was brandishing the weapon with his wife out in front

01:05:02.160 of his home in St. Louis last summer as the BLM protesters came into his neighborhood, his private

01:05:09.120 gated community that was trespassing. It was private. And they didn't much care. He's her

01:05:14.560 lawyer. That guy's a lawyer. And he's representing her. So we'll talk to him about her case and a bit

01:05:19.100 about his own. So don't miss our next episode. It's on Wednesday. And I promise you, you're going

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 15, 2021

Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the disturbing rise of violence against women in Europe by Muslim men ｜ Ep. 64

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