The Megyn Kelly Show - Bari Weiss on the State of the Media, Cancel Culture, and Anti-Semitism

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00:00:31.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.500 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.620 Today we've got Barry Weiss, so excited.

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00:02:55.240 And now, Barry Weiss, journalist, author of How to Fight Anti-Semitism,

00:03:01.300 and editor, thankfully, yay, of a new Substack publication.

00:03:05.260 What an honor to have you here.

00:03:08.120 I'm excited for this conversation.

00:03:09.880 I'm so excited to be here, Megan.

00:03:11.600 I was teasing this interview the other day,

00:03:14.340 and I was saying you walked out of the New York Times like Daenerys Targaryen

00:03:19.060 walked out of that hut where the men were trying to abuse her

00:03:22.400 and setting it on fire and walking out gorgeous.

00:03:25.680 She was nude.

00:03:26.460 I think you had your clothes on when you left the Times.

00:03:28.500 But you were unmasked in a different way.

00:03:30.460 I was very sweaty, much sweatier, less clothed hair for sure.

00:03:34.740 But it was one of those moments, and I felt it.

00:03:39.560 Listen, having worked places before, which shall remain nameless,

00:03:43.000 where I have definitely been the target of bullies, intolerant bullies,

00:03:48.240 I was like, oh, my God, I love this woman.

00:03:51.000 And I, of course, had been your fan prior to that

00:03:52.820 on a lot of the stuff you've been doing.

00:03:54.440 You've been making great headlines.

00:03:55.780 But let's just start with that feeling.

00:03:57.480 The day you wrote your scathing resignation letter,

00:04:01.540 which we'll get to, and left, you know,

00:04:03.320 what I'm sure started off as your dream job,

00:04:06.120 editing, you know, these op-eds of the Times

00:04:07.800 and bringing in new and diverse voices to, you know,

00:04:10.760 the paper of record.

00:04:12.220 When you wrote that and you sent it and then you walked out,

00:04:15.540 how did that feel?

00:04:17.480 Well, to be clear, I didn't walk out of the building

00:04:19.760 because we were already in COVID.

00:04:22.680 So I guess I didn't have the, you know,

00:04:24.500 the cinematic moment like...

00:04:26.400 COVID ruins everything.

00:04:27.420 With Margot Robbie packing up her box and everyone cheers.

00:04:33.060 You know, it was less cinematic, less glamorous,

00:04:36.360 and more, frankly, a long time coming.

00:04:39.340 I'd been working on that letter since, you know,

00:04:42.580 for a good few weeks, really,

00:04:44.460 since the Tom Cotton debacle,

00:04:46.140 which I'm sure we'll get into.

00:04:47.400 I wish I could tell you, Megan,

00:04:50.420 that I was as strong as the Mother of Dragons

00:04:53.320 and that the feeling that I had was

00:04:56.100 the way that a lot of people perceived it,

00:04:59.520 which is, you know, my favorite tweet was that

00:05:01.520 Barry Weiss walked out of the New York Times

00:05:03.600 with the flamethrower on her back.

00:05:05.740 And I certainly aspire to be that kind of person.

00:05:10.260 But oftentimes I, you know,

00:05:12.000 I'm the kind of person that when I wanted to run

00:05:13.800 the New York City Marathon,

00:05:15.240 I told, like, 100 people about it

00:05:18.200 so that I would be obligated to do it.

00:05:20.380 And I'm a little bit like that in general.

00:05:22.160 Like, I sometimes take a leap

00:05:24.840 before I'm even...

00:05:27.400 Before I've even sort of emotionally understood

00:05:30.440 what it will mean.

00:05:31.740 Meaning, I knew it was the right thing to leave.

00:05:34.180 I knew that I did not come into journalism

00:05:36.740 to tell a half version of the truth

00:05:39.500 or to become a half version of myself.

00:05:41.260 I knew that there were things for me

00:05:43.980 and I was always really clear about this

00:05:46.240 that were way more important

00:05:48.000 than professional prestige or being popular.

00:05:51.920 And it wasn't a question in my mind

00:05:53.940 that the time had come for me to leave.

00:05:56.260 But it was only sort of in the weeks

00:05:59.340 and months following

00:06:00.280 that I had the sort of emotional satisfaction

00:06:02.980 that maybe you had while reading it.

00:06:05.300 The feeling I had while writing it

00:06:07.280 was tremendous clarity,

00:06:11.240 but also fear.

00:06:12.940 Because when you leap out of a place

00:06:15.880 like the New York Times,

00:06:17.040 and, you know, for better or worse,

00:06:18.240 it's still the kind of place,

00:06:19.480 at least in the cohorts,

00:06:21.020 the places where I live and eat

00:06:23.460 and hang out,

00:06:24.980 that, you know, it inspires a kind of like,

00:06:27.080 you know, people are impressed

00:06:28.320 when you say that you work there.

00:06:29.940 And so I would be lying

00:06:33.980 if I didn't say that I had a lot of fear

00:06:36.820 in what would come next for me.

00:06:39.700 Yeah, of course.

00:06:40.860 That's totally natural.

00:06:42.860 But I think you did the world such a service

00:06:45.840 in making that letter public.

00:06:48.440 You know, it's, I can relate a little bit on,

00:06:52.780 you know, we pulled our kids.

00:06:54.980 Our boys have been pulled.

00:06:56.280 Our daughter's going to go soon.

00:06:58.040 She's going to finish out the school year.

00:06:59.940 And it's not to say we didn't love our schools.

00:07:01.960 We did love our schools a lot

00:07:03.600 and the people there.

00:07:04.920 But they went so hard left,

00:07:06.580 they were no longer a place for us.

00:07:08.840 And we absolutely could have pulled them

00:07:11.080 and said nothing about it, you know?

00:07:12.760 And I think, which is what most parents

00:07:14.600 who would pull their kids in this situation

00:07:16.240 would do for understandable reasons.

00:07:18.620 And the reason I went public with it

00:07:21.440 in an interview with Glenn Lowry and Coleman Hughes

00:07:23.960 was I didn't want to be,

00:07:26.600 I didn't want to make it only good for me.

00:07:29.340 You know, I didn't want to just save us.

00:07:31.760 I wanted to help save other parents

00:07:33.940 who are stuck there right now.

00:07:35.500 And I feel like that's what you did.

00:07:37.740 You helped the reporters

00:07:40.180 who are still at The Times,

00:07:41.540 who are on your side.

00:07:42.540 I realize they're all liberal,

00:07:43.500 but they're not all wokesters

00:07:44.560 who don't want to hear anybody's opposing view.

00:07:48.000 And just the media in general

00:07:49.820 deserves to be shamed

00:07:51.140 for doing more and more of this.

00:07:52.300 One of the reasons I think that this letter

00:07:55.480 and my departure was so resonant with people

00:07:59.060 is because it's not just, as you just said,

00:08:02.240 it's not just about The New York Times.

00:08:04.160 The New York Times is a very important part of the story

00:08:08.040 because we need a free press.

00:08:11.120 We need a press that holds up the mirror to society

00:08:14.280 rather than just a shard

00:08:16.140 so that people can make rational decisions

00:08:19.140 about where to live and where to work

00:08:20.960 and where to invest their money

00:08:22.200 and who to vote for.

00:08:24.200 But really, this is a story about,

00:08:26.660 and I think this is perhaps

00:08:28.020 the most undercovered story of our era

00:08:30.440 in part because the people that would cover it

00:08:32.520 are implicated in it.

00:08:33.880 And that is the story of ideological succession.

00:08:37.320 It's the story of the way that institutions

00:08:40.200 that sure leaned left, had a liberal bias,

00:08:43.700 but fundamentally were sort of speaking the truth

00:08:48.680 when they claimed to speak for most Americans,

00:08:51.800 have shifted radically.

00:08:54.220 And that's the story not just of the press.

00:08:56.240 It's the story of our universities.

00:08:57.560 It's the story, as you know,

00:08:59.060 increasingly of our K-12 educational system.

00:09:03.880 It's the story of our publishing houses.

00:09:06.040 It's the story of Hollywood.

00:09:07.340 And increasingly, it's the story of corporate America.

00:09:10.220 And that is a story that I wanted to tell,

00:09:14.080 and it was impossible to tell it

00:09:15.980 when I remained in a place that was enthralled to it,

00:09:19.720 if that makes sense.

00:09:21.280 Well, and the thing is, you're so articulate.

00:09:23.760 You have that thing that got you jobs

00:09:26.120 at the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times,

00:09:27.660 which is this beautiful way with the written word

00:09:30.020 that helps the rest of us feel somewhat soothed

00:09:33.040 when we hear somebody who's got that talent write it.

00:09:36.420 And just to frame it for the audience,

00:09:38.920 the resignation letter was dated July 14th, 2020.

00:09:41.820 It was about a month after the whole Tom Cotton debacle,

00:09:45.220 which we will get into,

00:09:46.100 where he wrote this op-ed about

00:09:47.460 how we should control the unrest in the streets.

00:09:50.840 And then the editor who allowed that op-ed

00:09:52.920 was forced to resign three days later.

00:09:54.920 So you write, in part,

00:09:57.060 a new consensus has emerged in the press,

00:09:59.620 but perhaps especially at this paper,

00:10:01.380 that truth isn't a process of collective discovery,

00:10:03.940 but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few,

00:10:07.520 whose job it is to inform everyone else.

00:10:10.020 Twitter's not on the masthead of the New York Times,

00:10:12.860 but Twitter has become its ultimate editor.

00:10:15.660 As the ethics and mores of that platform

00:10:17.580 have become those of the paper,

00:10:19.440 the paper itself has increasingly become

00:10:21.380 a kind of performance space.

00:10:23.520 Stories are chosen and told in a way

00:10:25.240 to satisfy the narrowest of audiences.

00:10:28.280 And it goes on from there.

00:10:29.600 I love that because it is a performance space, right?

00:10:32.760 The purpose has changed from enlightenment

00:10:36.120 to performance in a way.

00:10:37.960 I mean, a really strong example of this

00:10:41.240 that kind of couldn't believe it until I saw it.

00:10:43.920 There was a story that briefly went viral on Twitter.

00:10:47.880 I think it was two weeks ago,

00:10:48.980 but I've sort of lost track of time in COVID.

00:10:52.120 And it was about the sin

00:10:54.520 of the cultural appropriation of tiki bars.

00:10:58.640 This was a story that was on the cover

00:11:00.260 of the business section of the New York Times

00:11:02.440 in a year in which, by lots of estimates,

00:11:06.720 one in five small American businesses

00:11:08.960 will be closed by the end of this pandemic.

00:11:11.520 And here I am supposed to care about,

00:11:14.720 you know, about tiki bars?

00:11:17.720 I mean, it sort of boggles the mind.

00:11:21.520 And just the assumptions, right, that are...

00:11:25.620 So you can see it in the way certain stories are told.

00:11:31.180 And certainly the riots of this summer

00:11:32.980 were a signal example of that.

00:11:35.400 But you also see it in the stories that are not told,

00:11:39.020 the ones that are overlooked,

00:11:40.440 and the ones that are emphasized.

00:11:42.620 And I just think that there's...

00:11:45.640 That's obvious now to the average reader.

00:11:47.860 That was obvious to me going back.

00:11:50.200 I was there for three years.

00:11:51.160 That was obvious to me about, you know,

00:11:53.580 pretty early on.

00:11:55.440 But it became markedly worse

00:11:58.780 in the time that I was there.

00:12:01.960 And yeah, I mean, there's so much to say,

00:12:04.220 but I'll let you lead me

00:12:05.220 because I want to know what you're most curious about.

00:12:08.160 Sure, sure.

00:12:08.620 I mean, well, I know you worked at the Journal.

00:12:11.660 So just so our audience knows,

00:12:13.100 you went to Columbia.

00:12:14.780 You worked for a while at Tablet,

00:12:17.660 which is really good.

00:12:19.380 Tablet is an online magazine.

00:12:22.120 That focuses on...

00:12:23.600 It's the best magazine in the country.

00:12:24.960 Honestly, I really do.

00:12:25.860 The writing is so good.

00:12:28.620 It focuses on Jewish news, politics, and culture,

00:12:31.680 but just really American news, politics, and culture.

00:12:34.700 And man, do they have a good ability

00:12:36.180 to find good writers.

00:12:37.980 In fact, the one that you tweeted out,

00:12:39.720 I want to talk to you about

00:12:40.560 because it really was beautifully done not long ago.

00:12:42.980 But anyway, so you're a senior editor at Tablet in 2011.

00:12:45.960 Then you move on to the journal, op-ed editor.

00:12:48.760 And then you go for, like Bret Stephens, kind of,

00:12:50.940 you go from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Times

00:12:52.880 because post-Trump's election, to their credit,

00:12:57.340 they decided to try to broaden the ideological range

00:13:00.200 of their opinion staff, right?

00:13:01.620 Like, we missed it.

00:13:03.180 We didn't see it coming.

00:13:04.080 We don't understand half the country.

00:13:05.620 Let's try to get people with...

00:13:06.880 And of course, you were about as right

00:13:09.400 as they were willing to go.

00:13:11.020 You're a liberal, but you're center-left.

00:13:13.500 Well, I think what's so strange about this is,

00:13:16.420 in a way, I've sort of lived out

00:13:19.440 the tribalization in the country.

00:13:22.800 Meaning, at the Wall Street Journal,

00:13:25.060 I was always the squish.

00:13:26.720 I was always the leftmost flank

00:13:28.480 of a conservative editorial page.

00:13:31.300 And it's funny.

00:13:32.800 I think I might like that position more, ultimately,

00:13:36.660 now that I've experienced both.

00:13:38.320 But when I left the journal and went to the Times,

00:13:41.200 all of a sudden, you know,

00:13:42.860 I'd been used to being sort of the leftmost flank.

00:13:45.280 And all of a sudden,

00:13:45.920 I was considered something like, you know, a fascist.

00:13:49.700 Which, if you know me,

00:13:51.440 know anything about my life and my views,

00:13:53.920 is kind of hilarious.

00:13:56.020 But that was already the atmosphere

00:13:58.200 when I walked in the door.

00:14:00.320 And that was well before I had weighed in on Me Too

00:14:03.500 and on lots of other hot-button issues.

00:14:07.360 Right.

00:14:07.760 You know, on Me Too,

00:14:08.640 in a way that was defensive

00:14:09.580 of some of its more prominent targets,

00:14:11.660 which I do want to talk to you about, too.

00:14:12.980 So I just have to tell you,

00:14:14.200 I can relate to this so much.

00:14:15.640 I used to say that I felt like

00:14:17.300 the Rachel Maddow of Fox News

00:14:18.740 and the Sean Hannity of NBC.

00:14:21.040 Yes!

00:14:22.540 Exactly.

00:14:22.900 Right?

00:14:23.300 You know, I think,

00:14:25.560 I guess the one comfort in that

00:14:27.300 is I feel like I still am,

00:14:29.960 you know, in the kind of,

00:14:31.460 you know, I'm center-right on certain positions,

00:14:33.200 center-left on others.

00:14:34.280 I feel like I, you know,

00:14:36.680 I'm friends with people who voted for Trump.

00:14:38.780 I'm friends with people who voted for Biden.

00:14:41.000 I think I'm where a lot of Americans are.

00:14:43.500 It's just that the news media

00:14:45.740 has become so polarized

00:14:48.880 that you watch one,

00:14:51.320 you know, you watch one network

00:14:52.700 if you think the other half of America is evil

00:14:55.280 and you watch the other

00:14:56.140 if you think the opposite.

00:14:58.040 You know, again,

00:14:59.120 and that sort of goes back

00:15:00.360 to one of the reasons I wanted to leave.

00:15:02.140 Like, I didn't want to be part,

00:15:05.000 not to sound too, like,

00:15:06.840 high-minded about it,

00:15:07.840 but I honestly felt like

00:15:09.340 a lot of what we were doing

00:15:10.680 was contributing

00:15:12.000 and stoking

00:15:13.880 the polarization of the country.

00:15:16.800 Right.

00:15:17.200 Hashtag part of the problem.

00:15:19.080 And I'm honestly really,

00:15:22.020 really worried about that.

00:15:23.280 And that's not why I became a journalist.

00:15:26.180 And I wanted

00:15:27.000 and still want

00:15:28.400 to be part of projects

00:15:30.040 that are helping us

00:15:31.540 understand one another.

00:15:33.160 The question remains of,

00:15:34.740 you know,

00:15:34.960 if there's a way to monetize

00:15:36.280 that kind of project,

00:15:37.180 but that's definitely

00:15:38.500 what I'm most interested in doing.

00:15:40.640 Now, I think there were

00:15:41.600 two lanes for you there.

00:15:42.720 One, the one you just pointed out,

00:15:44.500 this is not good for society

00:15:45.780 and it's contrary

00:15:46.640 to my life's mission

00:15:47.520 as a journalist

00:15:48.300 and what I believe

00:15:49.700 is important

00:15:50.340 about being a journalist.

00:15:51.400 And the second lane

00:15:52.200 is the internal bullying

00:15:54.160 that you suffered.

00:15:56.380 Again, like,

00:15:57.720 it's like looking

00:15:58.480 in the mirror, Barry.

00:16:01.280 But there was bullying.

00:16:03.200 And you weren't,

00:16:04.600 like, I mentioned Brett Stevens,

00:16:05.920 I will say to the Times' credit,

00:16:07.380 he's an actual conservative

00:16:08.580 that they did hire,

00:16:09.460 but he's been, you know,

00:16:10.500 he's been excoriated there too.

00:16:12.820 But how did that

00:16:14.100 manifest?

00:16:14.900 Was that a slow burn

00:16:16.120 where you just realized,

00:16:17.180 oh, wow,

00:16:17.420 they don't like me here?

00:16:18.760 Or were there a couple of incidents

00:16:20.520 where it became clear?

00:16:22.260 I'll start with the general

00:16:23.040 and then get to the specific.

00:16:24.520 It is directly tied

00:16:26.120 to the narrowing

00:16:28.520 of what political scientists

00:16:29.900 call the Overton window,

00:16:31.520 the spectrum of what is considered

00:16:33.820 an acceptable opinion

00:16:34.960 or perspective.

00:16:36.560 As that narrowed,

00:16:38.360 and for those of us

00:16:40.780 who didn't sort of go along

00:16:42.200 with every aspect

00:16:43.480 of the woke orthodoxy

00:16:44.860 and there were constantly

00:16:45.960 new items being added

00:16:47.960 to that list,

00:16:49.900 you became something

00:16:51.480 like a heretic

00:16:52.540 or traitorous

00:16:54.100 or accused of sort of

00:16:56.540 not being on the right side

00:16:57.880 of history.

00:16:58.640 And I'm really not

00:16:59.360 exaggerating there.

00:17:00.400 So, you know,

00:17:01.560 for anyone who's listening

00:17:02.680 who's ever been

00:17:03.460 in a deeply religious environment

00:17:04.960 knows, you know,

00:17:06.220 if you're in a atmosphere

00:17:07.900 of people that,

00:17:08.920 you know, are true believers,

00:17:11.520 there's not a lot of room

00:17:12.600 for skepticism.

00:17:13.960 And going back to,

00:17:16.100 I've been in this place

00:17:17.440 before in my life.

00:17:18.700 You know, you mentioned Columbia

00:17:19.800 and when I was a student

00:17:20.620 at Columbia University,

00:17:21.580 I took a lot of classes

00:17:23.740 in the Middle East

00:17:24.460 Studies Department,

00:17:25.360 which was sort of

00:17:26.360 famously radical,

00:17:28.520 especially on the issue

00:17:29.420 of Israel.

00:17:30.540 And, you know,

00:17:31.440 in lots of classrooms

00:17:32.700 in the Middle East Studies

00:17:34.140 Department at Columbia,

00:17:35.360 there was an assumption,

00:17:36.720 you know, to, you know,

00:17:38.200 in keeping with the

00:17:39.220 Soviet propaganda line

00:17:40.420 that Zionism was racism.

00:17:42.480 Well, if that was the case

00:17:43.500 and if Zionism was racism,

00:17:44.840 then to be a Zionist

00:17:46.340 was to be a racist.

00:17:47.340 And everyone knows

00:17:49.220 in American society

00:17:50.460 how we should treat racists.

00:17:53.160 And so, you know,

00:17:54.660 there was kind of like

00:17:55.840 I had already experienced

00:17:57.260 that sort of thing before.

00:17:58.660 It was just shocking for me

00:17:59.960 to experience it

00:18:01.400 at the place

00:18:02.640 that prides itself

00:18:03.640 on being the paper of record

00:18:05.340 that prides itself

00:18:06.300 on telling the truth,

00:18:07.800 excuse me, the truth,

00:18:09.160 even when it's inconvenient

00:18:10.360 and in holding up

00:18:12.060 a mirror to society.

00:18:13.220 So from the moment

00:18:14.040 I walked in,

00:18:15.580 I would say like

00:18:17.520 it was a little mean girlsy.

00:18:19.300 Like I was never,

00:18:20.260 I was never going to be invited

00:18:21.300 to sit at the cool kids table.

00:18:23.540 I had already, you know,

00:18:24.740 published not a lot,

00:18:26.180 but enough that was out there

00:18:28.280 that if you Googled me,

00:18:30.680 you could find, you know,

00:18:31.800 like hit pieces

00:18:32.520 about my college activism

00:18:33.800 that had been written

00:18:34.580 in The Intercept.

00:18:35.740 So I would say that

00:18:36.520 I was sort of walking in

00:18:38.320 and people were

00:18:38.900 a little suspicious of me,

00:18:40.860 but it got more and more heated,

00:18:43.880 I would say,

00:18:44.940 as the Trump administration

00:18:48.580 sort of sat in,

00:18:50.140 people started to really like

00:18:53.700 not lose their minds about it.

00:18:55.740 I might be overstating it,

00:18:57.080 but saw anything

00:18:58.480 that was not pushing the line

00:19:02.380 of orange man evil

00:19:03.980 and everything orange man touches

00:19:05.760 is bad as being something

00:19:07.900 like traitorous.

00:19:09.020 And so, you know,

00:19:11.300 it was strange

00:19:11.940 because this is the kind

00:19:12.960 of environment where,

00:19:14.080 you know, inclusion

00:19:15.360 and diversity

00:19:16.360 are the watchwords

00:19:17.580 and bullying is wrong,

00:19:19.420 but like bullying the right people

00:19:21.780 is not just okay there.

00:19:23.320 It's kind of like a virtue.

00:19:24.400 And, you know,

00:19:26.760 one of the ways this played out

00:19:28.020 was this just really,

00:19:29.380 really insidious double standard.

00:19:32.120 You know,

00:19:32.720 if you had the right politics

00:19:34.800 and you had the right perspective,

00:19:37.180 you could basically,

00:19:38.760 you'd be unscrutinized

00:19:39.940 and you could act

00:19:40.840 totally unprofessionally,

00:19:42.700 for example, on Twitter

00:19:43.700 and nothing would happen to you.

00:19:45.840 And yet,

00:19:46.600 and this was one of the early instances

00:19:48.240 that I experienced,

00:19:49.820 I think it was in maybe

00:19:51.140 like February 2018,

00:19:52.680 I tweeted a video

00:19:54.720 of an Olympic figure skater

00:19:56.660 whose name was Mariah Nagasu.

00:20:00.300 Parents,

00:20:01.100 she's a Japanese American.

00:20:03.060 Parents were born in Japan.

00:20:04.880 She was born here.

00:20:05.940 And I tweeted a line from Hamilton

00:20:08.020 that was immigrants,

00:20:09.640 they get the job done.

00:20:12.360 And there was an absolute,

00:20:14.480 and obviously,

00:20:15.200 not obviously,

00:20:16.080 but for those who know my work,

00:20:18.120 I am extremely pro-immigrant.

00:20:20.940 And I meant the tweet

00:20:24.760 as nothing other than praise

00:20:28.700 of this incredible feat.

00:20:29.980 It was a video of her

00:20:30.840 hitting a triple axel, I think.

00:20:33.100 But there was an absolute outcry

00:20:35.300 in the Slack channels

00:20:37.220 at the New York Times.

00:20:38.480 They compared my tweet

00:20:39.640 to Japanese internment camps.

00:20:43.700 Seriously,

00:20:44.900 there were town hall meetings

00:20:46.460 that were held

00:20:47.180 about the tweet.

00:20:49.360 I had to meet with the heads

00:20:51.560 of the communications department.

00:20:54.600 And ultimately,

00:20:55.400 I was on real time

00:20:57.780 with Bill Maher

00:20:58.540 like a week later,

00:20:59.800 and I found a way,

00:21:01.440 per their request,

00:21:02.920 to apologize for the tweet.

00:21:04.740 And then if you kind of

00:21:05.780 take a look at the things

00:21:06.900 that other people

00:21:07.640 at the New York Times

00:21:08.700 regularly tweet,

00:21:10.580 not just about other Americans,

00:21:12.000 but about their own colleagues.

00:21:13.520 You know,

00:21:13.680 I've been called a liar

00:21:14.620 by my colleagues.

00:21:15.420 I've been subtweeted

00:21:17.080 by a co-worker

00:21:18.280 sitting two desks away

00:21:19.840 accusing me of,

00:21:20.920 you know,

00:21:21.680 bigotry and racism,

00:21:23.000 and nothing ever happened

00:21:24.740 to those people.

00:21:26.000 So,

00:21:26.840 you know,

00:21:27.920 it's hard to run

00:21:29.700 a newsroom

00:21:30.920 where there's one set

00:21:31.760 of rules for one people

00:21:32.940 and another set of rules

00:21:34.020 for another.

00:21:35.500 And by the way,

00:21:36.240 we should point out

00:21:36.860 to our audience,

00:21:37.920 you are diverse.

00:21:39.460 You are diverse.

00:21:40.240 That doesn't save you.

00:21:41.140 I don't even know

00:21:43.720 what diverse means anymore.

00:21:45.240 I mean,

00:21:45.480 because I mean,

00:21:46.100 I don't know.

00:21:46.800 You're LGBT.

00:21:48.460 Well,

00:21:49.060 I'm L.

00:21:50.240 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 But you're L.

00:21:53.900 And you're a Jewish woman

00:21:55.580 who's engaged

00:21:57.440 to another woman.

00:21:58.260 I don't know.

00:21:58.680 I think some of us

00:21:59.440 outside of that category

00:22:01.240 would think it would save you

00:22:02.520 or it would help you

00:22:03.780 with the New York Times.

00:22:05.240 Nope.

00:22:06.020 You have to be full submission

00:22:07.360 to their orthodoxy

00:22:08.560 or you're out.

00:22:10.160 Yeah.

00:22:10.400 I mean,

00:22:11.540 that's the most concise

00:22:13.360 way of saying it.

00:22:14.360 I could gild the lily there,

00:22:16.180 but I won't.

00:22:18.080 So did you ever have

00:22:19.640 like in-person

00:22:20.520 arguments with people

00:22:22.900 or was it more

00:22:23.780 just the frosty feeling?

00:22:26.380 It wasn't just a feeling.

00:22:28.300 I mean,

00:22:28.560 this was,

00:22:29.840 I mean,

00:22:30.160 by the end,

00:22:31.740 you know,

00:22:32.080 there were Slack channels

00:22:33.180 with,

00:22:34.080 this was following

00:22:35.040 the Tom Cotton op-ed,

00:22:36.180 there were Slack channels

00:22:36.960 with more than

00:22:37.900 2,000

00:22:38.960 employees

00:22:40.380 of the New York Times,

00:22:41.340 including every member

00:22:42.440 of the masthead

00:22:43.380 of the paper

00:22:44.040 going up to the very top.

00:22:45.940 And people were saying,

00:22:47.340 you know,

00:22:47.520 if this company

00:22:48.260 is going to be

00:22:48.960 an inclusive

00:22:49.500 and diverse company,

00:22:51.700 how,

00:22:52.420 you know,

00:22:52.540 we need to talk about

00:22:53.300 how Barry Weiss

00:22:53.920 still works here.

00:22:55.020 Or people were putting

00:22:55.900 emojis next to my name.

00:22:57.640 They put guillotine emojis

00:22:59.620 next to the name

00:23:00.540 of my,

00:23:01.620 the boss who hired me,

00:23:02.640 who was pushed out

00:23:03.300 of the paper,

00:23:04.000 James Bennett.

00:23:06.040 I don't think anyone

00:23:07.140 was punished

00:23:07.800 or fired for any,

00:23:08.940 I know that they weren't

00:23:09.820 fired for any of those things.

00:23:12.120 So,

00:23:12.860 it was

00:23:13.700 very explicit

00:23:14.980 by the end.

00:23:17.940 But there were

00:23:18.760 certain things,

00:23:19.500 like there was a,

00:23:20.240 you know,

00:23:20.480 there was another editor

00:23:21.540 who,

00:23:22.660 you know,

00:23:22.900 my editor,

00:23:24.620 one of my editors

00:23:25.260 was sort of

00:23:26.020 checking a piece

00:23:27.040 by me

00:23:27.540 and she said,

00:23:28.240 is Barry Weiss

00:23:28.780 writing about the Jews again?

00:23:30.880 Now,

00:23:30.960 like,

00:23:31.860 now of course,

00:23:32.520 you know,

00:23:32.860 he laughed that off

00:23:33.800 because what else

00:23:34.380 are you going to do?

00:23:35.020 But like,

00:23:35.680 just imagine that being said

00:23:37.160 about any other minority group.

00:23:39.060 It would be unfathomable.

00:23:41.360 I could go on,

00:23:42.500 but it's,

00:23:42.900 it's really like,

00:23:43.640 the point is really

00:23:44.940 that this

00:23:46.640 closure,

00:23:49.640 this

00:23:50.260 closure

00:23:51.840 and narrowing

00:23:53.340 of what is acceptable

00:23:55.140 inevitably leads

00:23:57.020 to the bullying

00:23:57.820 of people

00:23:58.500 that don't comply.

00:24:00.800 And that is the story

00:24:01.920 at the New York Times,

00:24:02.980 but it's the story

00:24:03.800 all over the place.

00:24:05.140 And

00:24:05.260 my inbox is like

00:24:07.420 an incredible microcosm

00:24:09.080 of this,

00:24:09.440 and I'm actually thinking

00:24:10.120 about doing this series

00:24:11.020 called The Closet.

00:24:12.540 And I'm not talking about,

00:24:13.720 obviously,

00:24:14.200 The Closet,

00:24:14.900 you know,

00:24:15.360 with regards to people's

00:24:16.640 sexual orientation

00:24:17.500 or gender identity.

00:24:18.800 I'm talking about people

00:24:20.000 like normal liberals,

00:24:22.440 not,

00:24:22.720 you know,

00:24:23.120 not MAGA supporters,

00:24:25.140 not,

00:24:25.640 not even conservatives,

00:24:27.020 although,

00:24:27.360 of course,

00:24:27.560 there are conservatives

00:24:28.160 among,

00:24:28.700 among this group,

00:24:29.820 but normal liberals

00:24:31.020 working inside

00:24:32.660 publishing houses,

00:24:33.700 inside

00:24:34.620 the legacy media,

00:24:37.080 teaching at elite

00:24:38.620 private schools,

00:24:40.140 people working

00:24:40.660 in law firms.

00:24:41.500 I've even heard

00:24:42.360 from doctors

00:24:43.100 who are

00:24:44.240 closeting

00:24:45.340 their most

00:24:46.040 basic

00:24:46.760 and I think

00:24:47.500 commonsensical

00:24:48.340 political views

00:24:49.240 because they know

00:24:51.180 that if they

00:24:52.600 are out

00:24:53.420 about them,

00:24:54.600 that they can

00:24:56.280 see what awaits

00:24:57.140 them because

00:24:58.340 we've had enough

00:24:59.400 examples of it.

00:25:00.260 We've seen people,

00:25:01.360 you know,

00:25:01.980 lose their jobs

00:25:02.840 for bad tweets.

00:25:03.780 We've seen adults

00:25:04.600 cheer on

00:25:05.380 as teenagers,

00:25:07.300 you know,

00:25:07.720 essentially act like

00:25:08.640 Stasi against

00:25:09.520 other teenagers.

00:25:11.760 You know,

00:25:12.440 canceling has become

00:25:13.300 a normal part

00:25:14.080 of American life

00:25:15.080 and you don't

00:25:16.680 need that many

00:25:17.580 examples of it

00:25:18.500 to get the message

00:25:19.580 and the

00:25:21.060 behavior effect,

00:25:22.180 the sort of

00:25:22.540 downstream effects

00:25:23.640 of those

00:25:24.460 very public

00:25:25.420 examples

00:25:25.920 are extremely,

00:25:27.140 extremely real.

00:25:28.620 And one of the

00:25:29.620 things that's

00:25:30.260 really alarming

00:25:31.560 to me is that,

00:25:32.380 you know,

00:25:32.520 we live in a

00:25:33.020 democracy,

00:25:33.840 our, you know,

00:25:34.320 our First Amendment

00:25:35.080 is most important.

00:25:36.940 It's, you know,

00:25:37.380 the right to speech,

00:25:38.560 the right to a free

00:25:39.800 press,

00:25:40.340 and yet

00:25:41.380 people are

00:25:42.640 double thinking

00:25:43.380 in our democracy.

00:25:46.580 And, you know,

00:25:47.480 it's not like

00:25:47.960 the threat

00:25:49.440 is being,

00:25:49.940 you know,

00:25:50.540 shipped off to the

00:25:51.360 gulag

00:25:51.900 as it was

00:25:52.620 in the Soviet Union

00:25:53.540 and yet people

00:25:54.340 are increasingly

00:25:55.540 acting as if

00:25:56.820 that is the case.

00:25:57.700 And I think that's,

00:25:59.060 you know,

00:25:59.220 I think that is just

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00:27:58.040 One of those cases

00:27:59.040 where you say

00:27:59.520 and the kids are acting

00:28:00.440 acting like Stasi

00:28:01.240 against the others

00:28:02.220 and they get highlighted.

00:28:04.380 I think you're referring

00:28:05.240 among others sadly

00:28:06.460 to the case of Mimi Groves

00:28:07.940 who was a girl

00:28:09.460 down in Leesburg, Virginia

00:28:10.720 who when she was

00:28:12.020 I think 15

00:28:13.020 and had just gotten

00:28:13.720 her learner's permit

00:28:14.600 tweeted out

00:28:15.320 or didn't she?

00:28:16.140 She didn't tweet out.

00:28:16.900 She direct messaged

00:28:17.740 to somebody

00:28:18.300 a four second video

00:28:19.540 of her singing along

00:28:20.660 singing a verse

00:28:21.620 from I guess a rap song

00:28:23.120 where she said

00:28:23.920 I can drive N-word.

00:28:25.520 She sang

00:28:25.980 I can drive N-word.

00:28:28.980 Sent it as a direct message

00:28:30.420 you know

00:28:31.220 stupid move

00:28:32.260 15 year old

00:28:33.060 celebrating her permit

00:28:34.380 in a way that was not appropriate

00:28:35.780 which she would be

00:28:36.540 the first to admit

00:28:37.240 and that person showed it

00:28:38.840 to another student

00:28:40.440 at the school

00:28:41.160 who was

00:28:43.480 he was

00:28:44.340 a minority

00:28:45.040 he was black

00:28:45.620 and he saved it

00:28:47.420 he videotaped it

00:28:48.680 and he saved it

00:28:49.640 and he lay in wait

00:28:50.800 for Mimi

00:28:51.520 and he decided

00:28:53.080 to spring it on her

00:28:54.320 not

00:28:54.940 when she

00:28:55.820 found herself

00:28:56.480 in a racial controversy

00:28:57.620 or where

00:28:58.660 you know

00:28:59.060 she did something

00:29:00.360 that evidenced

00:29:01.180 a prejudice

00:29:01.780 against people of color

00:29:03.120 he sprung it on her

00:29:05.240 when she had gotten admitted

00:29:06.600 I think to

00:29:07.660 University of Tennessee

00:29:08.520 as a cheerleader

00:29:09.160 she was

00:29:10.160 you know

00:29:10.620 one of those

00:29:10.940 top notch cheerleaders

00:29:11.940 like actual

00:29:12.600 kick ass athletes

00:29:13.800 and was about to go

00:29:15.180 off to college

00:29:15.700 and said something

00:29:16.640 over the summer

00:29:17.120 in support of

00:29:17.640 Black Lives Matter

00:29:18.260 she did

00:29:18.800 she was horrified

00:29:19.860 by George Floyd

00:29:20.660 the video

00:29:21.200 she tweeted

00:29:22.320 in support of

00:29:22.840 Black Lives Matter

00:29:23.400 and that

00:29:24.160 is when he decided

00:29:25.480 to ruin her life

00:29:26.400 and make it public

00:29:27.960 to go public with it

00:29:29.200 which he knew

00:29:29.800 very well

00:29:30.280 given the climate

00:29:30.860 what would happen

00:29:31.440 to her

00:29:31.840 and the New York Times

00:29:33.400 finally wrote a story

00:29:34.760 about this

00:29:35.400 which celebrated him

00:29:37.840 painted him

00:29:39.240 as a hero

00:29:40.240 for hurting her

00:29:41.420 she

00:29:41.660 she got kicked off

00:29:42.960 the cheer squad

00:29:43.580 and the university

00:29:44.780 promptly gave her

00:29:45.700 one of the

00:29:46.340 very nice daughter

00:29:47.740 you have there

00:29:48.200 be ashamed

00:29:48.820 something happened

00:29:49.380 to her

00:29:49.720 here at our college

00:29:50.560 you might want

00:29:51.200 to really consider

00:29:51.840 whether you want

00:29:52.440 to send her

00:29:52.900 you know

00:29:53.240 Mimi's parents

00:29:53.900 all of which

00:29:54.480 they got

00:29:55.160 proof of

00:29:56.000 and Mimi

00:29:56.820 wasn't allowed

00:29:57.840 to go there

00:29:58.240 she couldn't

00:29:58.720 go to college

00:29:59.280 and her life

00:30:00.460 was ruined

00:30:01.180 over a four

00:30:02.400 second

00:30:03.040 stupid

00:30:04.000 moment

00:30:04.780 when she was

00:30:05.740 15

00:30:06.480 and the New York

00:30:07.780 Times published

00:30:08.540 that article

00:30:09.240 gleefully

00:30:10.040 and had exactly

00:30:11.760 the wrong hero

00:30:12.460 in it

00:30:12.820 I just

00:30:14.040 it was so

00:30:14.840 irresponsible

00:30:15.380 and it was

00:30:15.900 so cruel

00:30:16.680 what they did

00:30:18.140 and not to mention

00:30:19.200 what the kid did

00:30:19.940 which shouldn't

00:30:20.400 be celebrated

00:30:20.980 because it's

00:30:21.420 going to encourage

00:30:21.900 more kids

00:30:22.460 to turn

00:30:23.000 state's evidence

00:30:23.620 on one another

00:30:24.220 but that's

00:30:25.140 them

00:30:25.440 right

00:30:25.800 that's the

00:30:26.180 same paper

00:30:26.660 that was

00:30:27.100 asking

00:30:27.540 she's not

00:30:28.380 writing about

00:30:28.840 the Jews

00:30:29.340 again

00:30:29.620 is she

00:30:30.020 I mean

00:30:30.920 that's

00:30:31.580 those are

00:30:31.900 the people

00:30:32.200 who are

00:30:32.420 lecturing us

00:30:33.000 on morality

00:30:33.540 and how we

00:30:34.340 need to be

00:30:34.640 better people

00:30:35.160 yeah

00:30:35.880 yeah I mean

00:30:36.220 I just

00:30:36.540 think it's

00:30:37.240 there's

00:30:38.180 dozens

00:30:39.180 of examples

00:30:39.940 like that

00:30:40.440 that was

00:30:40.840 one that

00:30:41.200 really broke

00:30:41.880 through

00:30:42.280 and I'm

00:30:43.540 glad it

00:30:43.920 broke

00:30:44.160 through

00:30:44.700 but you

00:30:45.580 know

00:30:45.640 we're

00:30:45.840 living

00:30:46.220 in

00:30:46.760 just a

00:30:48.420 merciless

00:30:49.000 age

00:30:49.440 and I

00:30:50.340 don't

00:30:50.560 think that

00:30:51.160 people have

00:30:51.820 reckoned

00:30:52.420 with

00:30:52.760 what it

00:30:53.620 means

00:30:54.340 like we

00:30:55.400 talk a lot

00:30:56.000 about the

00:30:56.460 internet

00:30:56.700 and twitter

00:30:57.160 and social

00:30:57.660 but it's

00:30:58.040 like do

00:30:58.960 people

00:30:59.240 understand

00:30:59.700 that we're

00:31:00.120 living in

00:31:00.940 an era

00:31:01.340 in which

00:31:01.800 you cannot

00:31:02.260 make a

00:31:02.700 mistake

00:31:03.140 you cannot

00:31:04.240 make a

00:31:04.620 mistake

00:31:05.000 and everything

00:31:06.840 is captured

00:31:07.680 for all

00:31:08.720 eternity

00:31:09.160 and there's

00:31:10.440 just so

00:31:10.940 little

00:31:11.320 incentive

00:31:11.920 you know

00:31:13.020 I spent

00:31:13.740 a lot of

00:31:14.260 time talking

00:31:14.900 to teenagers

00:31:15.580 and college

00:31:16.180 students who

00:31:16.980 you know

00:31:17.820 want to

00:31:19.420 get into

00:31:19.920 public life

00:31:20.640 or want to

00:31:21.180 be journalists

00:31:21.620 or want to

00:31:22.740 be op-ed

00:31:23.160 writers or

00:31:23.820 maybe want

00:31:24.180 to run

00:31:24.400 for office

00:31:24.880 one day

00:31:25.320 and these

00:31:27.380 kids rightly

00:31:28.460 see no

00:31:30.580 incentive

00:31:31.020 to do

00:31:31.420 so

00:31:31.680 and if

00:31:31.980 they do

00:31:32.360 want to

00:31:32.940 why would

00:31:34.160 they ever

00:31:34.660 take any

00:31:36.740 kind of

00:31:37.020 strong opinion

00:31:37.620 why would

00:31:38.480 they stand

00:31:38.980 up for

00:31:39.400 something

00:31:39.780 unpopular

00:31:40.400 that's

00:31:41.540 exactly

00:31:41.860 that's

00:31:42.100 what you

00:31:42.300 wrote

00:31:42.500 in your

00:31:43.220 resignation

00:31:44.220 letter

00:31:44.580 saying

00:31:44.840 it's very

00:31:45.800 clear to

00:31:46.140 the young

00:31:46.400 people

00:31:46.640 there are

00:31:46.920 rules

00:31:47.200 one

00:31:47.600 speak

00:31:48.000 your mind

00:31:48.340 to your

00:31:48.540 own peril

00:31:48.960 two

00:31:49.360 never risk

00:31:50.320 commissioning

00:31:50.760 a story

00:31:51.080 that goes

00:31:51.420 against the

00:31:51.800 narrative

00:31:52.040 three

00:31:52.500 never believe

00:31:53.540 an editor

00:31:53.920 or publisher

00:31:54.440 who urges

00:31:55.100 you to go

00:31:55.620 against the

00:31:56.140 grain

00:31:56.540 oh

00:31:57.360 I mean

00:31:58.400 don't you

00:31:59.260 think it's

00:31:59.620 true

00:32:00.580 I do

00:32:01.060 and it

00:32:01.480 scares me

00:32:02.260 because

00:32:02.780 as I always

00:32:03.780 say the

00:32:04.140 bullies have

00:32:04.560 really won

00:32:05.080 when they're

00:32:05.960 in your head

00:32:07.220 changing your

00:32:08.120 behavior

00:32:08.520 right like

00:32:09.220 it's never

00:32:09.960 good to be

00:32:10.340 bullied

00:32:10.660 but it's

00:32:11.440 really scary

00:32:12.040 when the

00:32:13.140 bullies

00:32:13.600 turn you

00:32:14.580 into a

00:32:14.960 bully of

00:32:15.360 yourself

00:32:15.820 right

00:32:16.800 and that's

00:32:17.520 what's

00:32:17.680 happening

00:32:17.940 I want

00:32:18.820 I want

00:32:18.840 to read

00:32:19.180 you

00:32:19.420 two

00:32:19.800 really

00:32:20.440 short

00:32:20.780 things

00:32:21.200 that

00:32:21.460 summarize

00:32:21.920 the

00:32:22.740 moment

00:32:23.060 I think

00:32:23.460 we're

00:32:23.620 in

00:32:23.820 with

00:32:24.000 regard

00:32:24.320 to

00:32:24.520 this

00:32:24.820 I get

00:32:26.880 emails

00:32:27.240 every

00:32:27.620 single

00:32:27.940 day

00:32:28.220 from

00:32:28.780 people

00:32:29.320 like

00:32:29.920 this

00:32:30.420 young

00:32:30.740 journalist

00:32:31.120 who wrote

00:32:31.600 me

00:32:31.840 I never

00:32:33.060 thought I'd

00:32:33.620 practice the

00:32:34.200 kind of

00:32:34.520 self-censorship

00:32:35.300 I now do

00:32:36.060 when pitching

00:32:36.500 editors but

00:32:37.200 I have no

00:32:37.580 power to

00:32:38.100 do otherwise

00:32:38.700 for woke

00:32:40.000 skeptical

00:32:40.420 young writers

00:32:41.140 banishment

00:32:41.700 and rejection

00:32:42.440 awaits you

00:32:43.300 if you

00:32:43.960 attempt to

00:32:44.400 depart

00:32:44.680 even in

00:32:45.140 minor ways

00:32:45.840 from the

00:32:46.200 sacred

00:32:46.480 ideology

00:32:47.080 I used

00:32:48.180 to live

00:32:48.540 in China

00:32:49.060 where I

00:32:49.520 worked as

00:32:49.900 a foreign

00:32:50.240 correspondent

00:32:50.840 and these

00:32:51.520 dynamics

00:32:51.960 are eerily

00:32:52.640 similar to

00:32:53.260 aspects of

00:32:53.860 the cultural

00:32:54.280 revolution

00:32:54.820 I had a

00:32:56.260 student from

00:32:56.780 Harvard write

00:32:57.380 me the other

00:32:57.820 day from

00:32:58.200 his personal

00:32:58.860 email

00:32:59.260 because he

00:33:00.320 was too

00:33:00.820 scared to

00:33:01.440 write it

00:33:01.960 from his

00:33:02.500 college

00:33:03.040 email

00:33:03.460 and he

00:33:04.860 wrote to

00:33:05.240 me and

00:33:05.500 explained that

00:33:06.060 he self

00:33:06.520 censors

00:33:07.140 even when

00:33:08.160 he's talking

00:33:08.780 to some

00:33:09.160 of his

00:33:09.440 best

00:33:09.780 friends

00:33:10.320 for fear

00:33:11.260 of word

00:33:11.800 getting

00:33:12.100 around

00:33:12.480 and that

00:33:13.800 he

00:33:14.160 you know

00:33:14.720 projects

00:33:15.540 what he

00:33:15.960 thinks

00:33:16.200 professors

00:33:16.760 want to

00:33:17.160 hear

00:33:17.360 in his

00:33:17.740 papers

00:33:18.220 and tries

00:33:19.280 to write

00:33:19.940 answers

00:33:21.540 and write

00:33:22.100 papers

00:33:22.540 with the

00:33:22.860 perspective

00:33:23.380 that mirrors

00:33:24.120 their

00:33:24.380 worldview

00:33:24.880 rather than

00:33:25.520 what he

00:33:25.780 thinks

00:33:26.040 are the

00:33:26.300 best

00:33:26.520 arguments

00:33:27.100 like

00:33:28.140 they

00:33:28.820 sound

00:33:29.100 like

00:33:29.340 missives

00:33:29.880 like

00:33:30.080 smuggled

00:33:30.480 out of

00:33:30.800 a

00:33:30.920 totalitarian

00:33:31.580 society

00:33:32.220 I think

00:33:33.180 one

00:33:33.740 one thing

00:33:34.820 I'm

00:33:35.100 hoping

00:33:35.540 given

00:33:36.300 that

00:33:36.700 you know

00:33:37.000 the era

00:33:37.360 of Trump

00:33:37.980 hopefully

00:33:38.700 with him

00:33:39.180 out of the

00:33:39.700 picture

00:33:40.080 and the

00:33:41.120 clownishness

00:33:42.020 and the

00:33:42.840 you know

00:33:43.340 just the

00:33:44.620 grossness

00:33:45.300 of a lot

00:33:46.580 of what

00:33:46.860 that meant

00:33:47.400 that we

00:33:48.180 will be

00:33:48.500 able to

00:33:48.980 see this

00:33:49.720 other threat

00:33:50.520 with more

00:33:51.220 clarity

00:33:51.860 maybe that's

00:33:53.920 Pollyanna-ish

00:33:54.680 but that's what

00:33:55.480 I'm hoping for

00:33:56.160 you know

00:33:57.260 I hope

00:33:59.520 you're right

00:33:59.920 I mean

00:34:00.120 I certainly

00:34:00.440 hope that

00:34:00.840 there's

00:34:01.120 there are

00:34:01.440 more people

00:34:01.780 coming over

00:34:02.180 to our

00:34:02.460 side

00:34:02.680 but

00:34:02.920 they're

00:34:03.960 they're

00:34:04.340 so smart

00:34:04.940 the way

00:34:05.460 these

00:34:05.760 sort of

00:34:06.380 radical

00:34:06.800 leftists

00:34:07.360 have seized

00:34:08.020 control

00:34:08.420 of so many

00:34:09.440 aspects of

00:34:09.960 our culture

00:34:10.380 and our

00:34:10.720 debate

00:34:11.020 because

00:34:11.760 the less

00:34:13.040 people speak

00:34:13.660 up and offer

00:34:14.260 differing views

00:34:15.080 the more

00:34:15.780 people who

00:34:16.320 haven't said

00:34:16.800 anything yet

00:34:17.400 think they're

00:34:17.880 in the minority

00:34:18.500 and that they

00:34:19.160 can't speak

00:34:19.740 up

00:34:19.960 you know

00:34:20.880 that one

00:34:21.440 of the reasons

00:34:21.820 I've been so

00:34:22.560 vocal about

00:34:23.260 this and I

00:34:23.680 try to talk

00:34:24.360 about the

00:34:25.140 third rail

00:34:25.720 stuff

00:34:26.160 you know

00:34:26.620 trans

00:34:27.260 race

00:34:28.200 sexism

00:34:29.540 and misogyny

00:34:30.320 so bluntly

00:34:32.020 is because

00:34:33.200 I think it's

00:34:34.060 American

00:34:34.460 I think it's

00:34:35.880 uniquely American

00:34:36.760 I've never been

00:34:37.400 one to be ginger

00:34:38.080 with my language

00:34:38.680 but I

00:34:39.760 I think people

00:34:40.440 need to be

00:34:40.840 reminded

00:34:41.240 it's not

00:34:42.260 East Germany

00:34:42.760 it's the

00:34:43.420 United States

00:34:43.900 of America

00:34:44.400 you're allowed

00:34:45.120 to talk

00:34:45.520 about issues

00:34:46.100 don't be

00:34:46.780 shamed out

00:34:47.240 of having

00:34:47.560 the opinions

00:34:48.100 that you

00:34:48.420 have

00:34:48.760 debate

00:34:49.440 is the

00:34:49.840 answer

00:34:50.260 silence

00:34:50.940 is the

00:34:51.460 devil

00:34:51.740 and don't

00:34:53.220 listen to

00:34:53.740 the people

00:34:54.140 who tell

00:34:54.720 you

00:34:55.140 your

00:34:56.200 views

00:34:56.940 are not

00:34:57.900 okay

00:34:58.300 and they're

00:34:58.680 not shared

00:34:59.180 because the

00:34:59.640 truth is

00:35:00.080 I

00:35:00.640 forget

00:35:01.240 the 75

00:35:02.160 million

00:35:02.560 people

00:35:02.860 who voted

00:35:03.300 for Trump

00:35:03.720 you're

00:35:04.620 you're

00:35:04.980 of the

00:35:05.340 left

00:35:05.620 that most

00:35:06.960 I think

00:35:07.440 most people

00:35:07.880 on the

00:35:08.180 left

00:35:08.400 are with

00:35:09.000 us

00:35:09.440 they're

00:35:09.960 they're

00:35:10.320 just

00:35:10.540 freaking

00:35:10.920 terrified

00:35:11.460 yeah

00:35:12.080 and you

00:35:12.520 know

00:35:12.660 what

00:35:12.920 they're

00:35:13.280 right

00:35:13.560 to be

00:35:13.940 terrified

00:35:14.400 to some

00:35:14.920 extent

00:35:15.280 because

00:35:15.720 how much

00:35:16.980 does

00:35:17.220 how much

00:35:17.700 time

00:35:18.260 and effort

00:35:18.760 does it

00:35:19.100 cost

00:35:19.400 for me

00:35:19.920 you know

00:35:20.540 to go

00:35:20.880 on Twitter

00:35:21.320 and call

00:35:21.900 someone

00:35:22.520 an ism

00:35:24.140 takes two

00:35:24.940 seconds

00:35:25.340 and nothing

00:35:26.100 nothing

00:35:26.720 you don't

00:35:28.040 need a mass

00:35:28.820 group of

00:35:29.240 people to

00:35:30.040 to sort of

00:35:30.940 ruin your

00:35:32.540 reputation

00:35:33.220 and take away

00:35:34.620 your career

00:35:35.280 and hurt your

00:35:36.220 family

00:35:36.620 you just need

00:35:37.880 a dedicated

00:35:38.400 group of like

00:35:39.140 25 people

00:35:40.260 because I'm

00:35:40.860 watching it

00:35:41.280 happen to a

00:35:41.800 friend right

00:35:42.200 now

00:35:42.500 and that

00:35:44.400 scares people

00:35:46.000 and it's not

00:35:47.160 just you know

00:35:48.260 the fact that

00:35:49.300 you could get

00:35:50.300 you know

00:35:51.060 kicked off of

00:35:51.860 Twitter

00:35:52.220 for saying

00:35:53.480 you know

00:35:53.920 for misgendering

00:35:54.740 someone

00:35:55.220 meantime

00:35:55.740 the Ayatollah

00:35:56.520 Khamenei

00:35:57.020 you know

00:35:57.240 talks about

00:35:57.660 genociding

00:35:58.200 the Jews

00:35:58.680 but okay

00:35:59.980 so it's not

00:36:01.500 that it's

00:36:02.580 that it's

00:36:03.480 not that

00:36:04.120 far-fetched

00:36:04.900 and a lot

00:36:05.200 of people

00:36:05.520 in Silicon

00:36:05.960 Valley

00:36:06.280 have been

00:36:06.520 talking about

00:36:07.040 this over

00:36:07.400 the past

00:36:07.800 two weeks

00:36:08.340 to imagine

00:36:09.420 you know

00:36:09.880 this sort

00:36:10.460 of

00:36:10.900 censoriousness

00:36:12.240 coming you

00:36:12.960 know to

00:36:13.240 your email

00:36:13.780 or to

00:36:14.180 the browser

00:36:14.740 that you

00:36:15.580 use or

00:36:16.060 maybe even

00:36:16.540 to the

00:36:16.900 bank

00:36:17.280 and so

00:36:17.940 I think

00:36:19.000 what's going

00:36:19.360 on right

00:36:19.800 now is

00:36:21.280 not just

00:36:21.880 people

00:36:22.460 protecting

00:36:23.280 themselves

00:36:23.820 for whatever

00:36:25.200 the mores

00:36:25.960 are in the

00:36:26.680 current moment

00:36:27.420 they're projecting

00:36:28.620 out to what

00:36:29.320 they could be

00:36:29.860 a year or

00:36:30.460 two years

00:36:30.880 or three

00:36:31.240 years from

00:36:31.660 now

00:36:31.900 and the

00:36:34.600 other thing

00:36:35.400 that I'm

00:36:35.860 but there's

00:36:36.620 this sort

00:36:36.920 of paradox

00:36:37.580 because people

00:36:39.040 are silencing

00:36:41.000 themselves and

00:36:41.880 closeting

00:36:42.420 themselves in

00:36:43.400 order to

00:36:44.320 protect

00:36:44.940 themselves

00:36:45.480 and maybe

00:36:46.320 they will

00:36:47.060 in the

00:36:47.480 short term

00:36:48.060 what they

00:36:48.880 don't

00:36:49.260 realize

00:36:49.880 is that

00:36:50.340 in doing

00:36:50.920 that

00:36:51.320 they're

00:36:52.140 sacrificing

00:36:53.060 not just

00:36:54.040 themselves

00:36:54.620 in the

00:36:55.300 long term

00:36:55.820 but the

00:36:56.760 whole thing

00:36:57.380 that makes

00:36:57.820 this country

00:36:58.360 exceptional

00:36:59.040 like speak

00:37:01.040 out now

00:37:02.160 if you

00:37:03.380 get one

00:37:04.220 thing from

00:37:04.680 this conversation

00:37:05.560 or one

00:37:06.980 thing from

00:37:07.440 my letter

00:37:08.240 my story

00:37:09.180 like speak

00:37:10.900 out now

00:37:11.860 because it's

00:37:12.860 not just

00:37:13.380 about you

00:37:14.580 and your

00:37:15.100 mortgage

00:37:15.460 or your

00:37:16.900 professional

00:37:17.900 advancement

00:37:18.500 it's about

00:37:19.380 our ability

00:37:20.700 to protect

00:37:22.420 the things

00:37:23.060 that have

00:37:23.820 made this

00:37:24.340 country

00:37:24.820 the last

00:37:26.040 best hope

00:37:26.680 on earth

00:37:27.280 that's what's

00:37:28.200 at stake

00:37:28.600 here

00:37:28.900 and I

00:37:29.820 really hope

00:37:30.400 people understand

00:37:31.080 that

00:37:31.420 you've written

00:37:33.220 so beautifully

00:37:33.840 about this

00:37:34.440 it's been a

00:37:35.380 pleasure

00:37:35.800 preparing for

00:37:36.480 this interview

00:37:36.960 because I

00:37:37.480 got to read

00:37:38.000 so much

00:37:38.400 Barry Weiss

00:37:39.000 and one

00:37:40.160 of the

00:37:40.380 things you

00:37:40.780 pointed out

00:37:41.440 in the same

00:37:41.960 vein

00:37:42.280 is what

00:37:43.860 we're losing

00:37:44.720 is liberal

00:37:46.400 America

00:37:46.900 and that

00:37:47.880 is not

00:37:48.520 used in

00:37:49.120 the political

00:37:49.560 sense

00:37:49.900 not conservative

00:37:50.720 versus liberal

00:37:51.440 but liberal

00:37:52.180 ideals

00:37:52.880 I just want

00:37:53.420 to read this

00:37:53.860 to the audience

00:37:54.420 because there's

00:37:54.900 so much

00:37:55.260 it's so hard

00:37:55.700 to choose

00:37:56.160 which ones

00:37:56.560 I wanted

00:37:56.820 to read

00:37:57.140 because they're

00:37:57.360 all so beautiful

00:37:58.000 oh no

00:37:59.200 there's amazing

00:38:00.280 all right

00:38:00.780 so you're

00:38:01.300 writing about

00:38:01.760 how we've

00:38:02.140 lost that

00:38:02.640 America

00:38:03.100 used to be

00:38:03.580 liberal

00:38:03.900 and you write

00:38:04.520 not liberal

00:38:05.180 in the narrow

00:38:06.060 partisan sense

00:38:06.920 but liberal

00:38:07.520 in the most

00:38:08.020 capacious

00:38:08.560 and distinctly

00:38:09.300 American sense

00:38:10.040 of the word

00:38:10.620 the belief

00:38:11.720 that everyone

00:38:12.380 is equal

00:38:13.040 because everyone

00:38:13.860 is created

00:38:14.440 in the image

00:38:14.900 of God

00:38:15.320 the belief

00:38:16.400 in the sacredness

00:38:17.300 of the individual

00:38:18.140 over the group

00:38:18.940 or the tribe

00:38:19.540 the belief

00:38:20.260 that the rule

00:38:20.860 of law

00:38:21.360 and equality

00:38:22.300 under that law

00:38:23.040 is the foundation

00:38:23.820 of a free society

00:38:25.040 the belief

00:38:25.760 that due process

00:38:26.540 and the presumption

00:38:27.380 of innocence

00:38:27.860 are good

00:38:28.500 and that mob

00:38:29.260 violence is bad

00:38:30.160 the belief

00:38:30.780 that pluralism

00:38:31.600 is a source

00:38:32.160 of our strength

00:38:32.800 that tolerance

00:38:33.780 is a reason

00:38:34.640 for pride

00:38:35.160 and that liberty

00:38:35.900 of thought

00:38:36.420 faith

00:38:36.760 and speech

00:38:37.340 are the bedrocks

00:38:38.560 of democracy

00:38:39.200 the liberal worldview

00:38:40.620 was one that recognized

00:38:42.100 that there were things

00:38:43.180 indeed the most important

00:38:44.620 things in life

00:38:45.580 that were located

00:38:46.760 outside of the realm

00:38:47.960 of politics

00:38:48.660 friendships

00:38:49.420 art

00:38:50.260 music

00:38:50.700 family

00:38:51.060 love

00:38:51.460 this was a world

00:38:52.440 in which Antonin Scalia

00:38:53.560 and Ruth Bader Ginsburg

00:38:54.700 could be close friends

00:38:56.260 because as Scalia

00:38:57.460 once said

00:38:58.140 some things are more

00:38:59.580 important than votes

00:39:00.800 oh

00:39:02.260 you don't even realize

00:39:04.540 you've lost it

00:39:06.020 until it's been chipped

00:39:07.520 away

00:39:08.060 and chipped away

00:39:09.240 and you have to

00:39:10.000 ask yourself

00:39:10.780 why do I feel

00:39:12.280 so bad

00:39:13.220 why do I feel

00:39:13.980 so sad

00:39:14.820 I know something's

00:39:16.040 gone

00:39:16.440 that I once loved

00:39:17.760 and this is it

00:39:19.780 this is what's

00:39:20.740 happening

00:39:21.080 it's not about

00:39:22.100 I mean listen

00:39:23.320 it's a little bit

00:39:23.940 about critical race

00:39:24.780 theory and that stuff

00:39:25.540 which needs to be

00:39:26.140 stopped in my view

00:39:26.960 but it's much

00:39:27.800 bigger than that

00:39:28.480 yeah

00:39:29.180 I mean

00:39:29.640 I think

00:39:31.660 that

00:39:32.140 there

00:39:32.800 I grew up

00:39:33.820 you know

00:39:34.180 I write in my book

00:39:34.980 that I feel like

00:39:35.760 I grew up

00:39:36.320 on a holiday

00:39:36.860 from history

00:39:37.560 and maybe other

00:39:38.880 people listening

00:39:39.520 felt that way too

00:39:40.520 that certain

00:39:41.680 that it's like

00:39:42.720 my friend likes

00:39:44.260 to joke that

00:39:44.760 Americans are

00:39:46.000 people that think

00:39:46.860 history happens

00:39:47.680 to other people

00:39:48.440 like it seemed

00:39:49.740 like we were

00:39:50.400 inoculated

00:39:51.120 from some of

00:39:52.680 the worst things

00:39:53.520 that were going

00:39:54.100 on in other

00:39:55.760 times of course

00:39:56.900 and in other

00:39:57.360 places

00:39:57.800 and I think

00:39:58.400 what we've learned

00:39:59.300 over the past

00:40:00.120 few years

00:40:00.920 really really

00:40:02.240 clearly

00:40:02.800 is that

00:40:03.620 the veneer

00:40:04.680 of civilization

00:40:05.940 and

00:40:06.900 the things

00:40:08.200 that we maybe

00:40:08.900 assumed

00:40:09.820 were as natural

00:40:11.000 as gravity

00:40:11.760 like the things

00:40:12.460 you just read off

00:40:13.260 in that paragraph

00:40:14.060 they're not

00:40:15.440 they need to be

00:40:17.100 protected

00:40:17.660 and

00:40:18.960 defended

00:40:20.220 and sacrificed

00:40:21.080 for

00:40:21.600 and things

00:40:22.560 that make

00:40:23.700 this country

00:40:24.340 exceptional

00:40:25.100 you know

00:40:26.360 it's not

00:40:26.940 bloodline

00:40:28.460 it's not

00:40:29.200 you know

00:40:29.800 soil

00:40:30.920 it's our

00:40:31.840 ideas

00:40:32.400 it's our

00:40:33.480 ideas

00:40:33.820 and when

00:40:34.880 those ideas

00:40:35.680 are under

00:40:36.400 siege

00:40:37.020 and they are

00:40:37.760 very much

00:40:38.420 under siege

00:40:39.040 now

00:40:39.420 from lots

00:40:41.800 of different

00:40:42.240 directions

00:40:42.860 then America

00:40:45.480 gets pulled

00:40:46.080 back into

00:40:46.840 the mean

00:40:47.200 of history

00:40:47.700 and I think

00:40:48.160 that's what

00:40:48.540 we're living

00:40:48.920 through

00:40:49.440 right now

00:40:51.420 I think

00:40:52.060 that you know

00:40:53.040 nothing less

00:40:54.020 than those

00:40:55.420 ideals

00:40:56.360 that make

00:40:56.960 us

00:40:57.320 exceptional

00:40:59.380 are under

00:41:00.400 attack

00:41:00.880 and you

00:41:01.240 know

00:41:01.340 I think

00:41:01.820 back

00:41:02.220 to

00:41:02.600 this

00:41:03.900 summer

00:41:04.280 and

00:41:05.300 you know

00:41:06.060 lots of

00:41:06.580 statues

00:41:06.940 were pulled

00:41:07.380 down

00:41:07.720 some of

00:41:08.520 some of

00:41:09.100 people

00:41:09.360 that you

00:41:09.840 know

00:41:10.020 maybe

00:41:10.400 deserve to

00:41:11.400 be pulled

00:41:11.800 down

00:41:12.040 like

00:41:12.260 confederate

00:41:12.720 generals

00:41:13.120 but among

00:41:14.040 them were

00:41:14.440 people like

00:41:15.200 our first

00:41:16.000 founding fathers

00:41:16.760 like Abraham

00:41:17.380 Lincoln

00:41:17.740 and our

00:41:18.020 second

00:41:18.280 founding fathers

00:41:18.980 like Frederick

00:41:19.500 Douglas

00:41:19.880 and you

00:41:22.100 didn't hear

00:41:22.680 a lot

00:41:23.160 of people

00:41:23.800 that are

00:41:24.580 supposed to

00:41:25.140 be our

00:41:25.460 intellectual

00:41:26.020 and moral

00:41:26.620 betters

00:41:27.320 you know

00:41:27.580 our elites

00:41:28.180 offering a

00:41:29.480 full-throated

00:41:30.600 condemnation

00:41:31.440 of that

00:41:31.920 and that's

00:41:34.280 a problem

00:41:34.860 like I see

00:41:35.760 a direct

00:41:36.780 connection

00:41:37.480 between

00:41:38.540 the vandals

00:41:40.280 that pulled

00:41:41.160 down

00:41:41.580 Lincoln

00:41:42.260 and the

00:41:43.300 vandals

00:41:43.780 that stormed

00:41:44.820 the Capitol

00:41:45.320 like both

00:41:46.240 groups of

00:41:46.760 those people

00:41:47.480 do not

00:41:49.000 love

00:41:50.980 what is

00:41:51.680 good about

00:41:52.200 America

00:41:52.660 and

00:41:54.400 I'm

00:41:58.380 worried

00:41:58.700 about

00:41:59.040 I mean

00:41:59.340 obviously

00:41:59.760 I'm really

00:42:01.260 worried about

00:42:02.080 where we

00:42:03.100 are

00:42:03.420 and

00:42:04.740 I just

00:42:06.460 think that

00:42:06.940 you know

00:42:07.240 it's

00:42:07.700 we

00:42:09.600 you know

00:42:10.560 we've seen

00:42:11.360 other countries

00:42:12.200 sort of torn

00:42:12.840 apart by

00:42:13.720 the dislocations

00:42:15.720 of the 21st

00:42:16.700 century

00:42:17.120 and it's

00:42:17.900 hard to

00:42:18.540 imagine

00:42:19.000 that we

00:42:19.860 would be

00:42:20.160 one of

00:42:20.620 them

00:42:20.900 and yet

00:42:21.520 you know

00:42:22.160 anyone that

00:42:22.740 studies history

00:42:23.560 sees that

00:42:24.320 nothing lasts

00:42:25.400 and we're

00:42:25.920 so young

00:42:27.100 and of course

00:42:27.960 it's possible

00:42:28.560 for things

00:42:29.080 to come

00:42:29.400 apart

00:42:29.760 that's why

00:42:30.760 I think

00:42:31.100 it is

00:42:31.460 you know

00:42:32.180 all of us

00:42:33.120 that love

00:42:33.820 what this

00:42:34.180 country is

00:42:34.840 at its

00:42:35.120 very best

00:42:35.820 even with

00:42:36.340 its flaws

00:42:36.860 are obligated

00:42:38.020 to defend

00:42:40.180 the things

00:42:40.860 that you know

00:42:41.700 the vandals

00:42:42.200 are trying

00:42:42.720 to tear

00:42:43.480 down

00:42:43.860 right

00:42:44.860 the vandals

00:42:45.520 beyond

00:42:46.300 the statues

00:42:47.480 they're trying

00:42:48.280 to tear

00:42:48.540 down a lot

00:42:49.000 of things

00:42:49.340 that we

00:42:49.620 care about

00:42:50.100 you

00:42:50.700 you try

00:42:51.300 to

00:42:51.560 you toy

00:42:52.440 around

00:42:52.760 with the

00:42:53.080 name

00:42:53.440 you know

00:42:54.280 because I

00:42:54.660 do think

00:42:54.940 some of us

00:42:55.380 have been

00:42:55.600 struggling

00:42:55.920 to define

00:42:56.660 forgive the

00:42:58.340 rhetoric

00:42:58.660 but the

00:42:59.100 enemy

00:42:59.400 you know

00:43:00.400 like what

00:43:00.820 what is

00:43:01.440 this force

00:43:01.960 against which

00:43:02.460 we're fighting

00:43:02.980 you know

00:43:03.780 I'll get

00:43:04.140 out there

00:43:04.400 and I'll

00:43:04.600 talk about

00:43:05.020 some of

00:43:05.320 these

00:43:05.480 absurdities

00:43:06.180 that are

00:43:06.460 being done

00:43:06.860 to us

00:43:07.260 and I

00:43:08.460 don't have

00:43:08.740 a name

00:43:09.100 for it

00:43:09.580 and you

00:43:10.300 you've

00:43:11.040 written

00:43:11.280 and I quote

00:43:12.120 again here

00:43:12.580 that American

00:43:13.180 liberalism

00:43:13.860 is under

00:43:14.460 siege

00:43:14.800 there's a

00:43:15.580 new ideology

00:43:16.300 vying to

00:43:17.020 replace it

00:43:17.560 no one

00:43:17.900 has yet

00:43:18.260 decided on

00:43:18.760 the name

00:43:19.120 for the

00:43:19.580 force

00:43:19.880 that has

00:43:20.200 come to

00:43:20.580 unseat

00:43:21.000 liberalism

00:43:21.600 some say

00:43:22.400 it's

00:43:22.540 social justice

00:43:23.520 the writer

00:43:24.540 Wesley Yang

00:43:25.520 refers to it

00:43:26.220 as the

00:43:26.840 successor

00:43:27.200 ideology

00:43:27.820 as in

00:43:28.220 the successor

00:43:28.680 to

00:43:28.880 liberalism

00:43:29.380 at some

00:43:30.480 point it

00:43:30.780 will have

00:43:31.060 a formal

00:43:31.420 name

00:43:31.700 one that

00:43:32.040 properly

00:43:32.500 describes

00:43:33.120 its

00:43:33.420 mixture

00:43:33.880 of

00:43:34.560 post-modernism

00:43:35.560 post-colonialism

00:43:37.040 identity

00:43:37.700 politics

00:43:38.380 neo-Marxism

00:43:39.600 critical race

00:43:40.800 theory

00:43:41.200 intersectionality

00:43:42.760 and the

00:43:43.660 therapeutic

00:43:44.260 mentality

00:43:45.260 until then

00:43:46.200 it's up to

00:43:46.560 each of us

00:43:46.940 to see it

00:43:47.420 plainly

00:43:48.160 look past

00:43:48.840 the hashtags

00:43:49.380 and the

00:43:49.740 slogans

00:43:50.140 and the

00:43:50.400 jargon

00:43:50.680 to assess

00:43:51.120 it

00:43:51.280 honestly

00:43:51.740 and then

00:43:52.080 explain

00:43:52.620 it

00:43:52.820 to

00:43:53.600 others

00:43:54.140 and

00:43:54.720 that's

00:43:55.440 the

00:43:55.580 challenge

00:43:56.340 right

00:43:56.560 to get

00:43:56.780 our arms

00:43:57.180 around

00:43:57.420 what

00:43:57.680 are

00:43:57.820 because

00:43:58.560 it's

00:43:58.780 like

00:43:58.920 if

00:43:59.060 you

00:43:59.200 I

00:43:59.740 can't

00:44:00.580 stand

00:44:00.860 critical

00:44:01.160 race

00:44:01.380 theory

00:44:01.560 I

00:44:01.720 can't

00:44:01.960 believe

00:44:02.380 that

00:44:02.560 this

00:44:02.720 thing

00:44:02.840 is

00:44:02.960 making

00:44:03.200 its

00:44:03.400 way

00:44:03.580 into

00:44:03.740 corporate

00:44:04.000 America

00:44:04.400 and

00:44:04.620 into

00:44:04.800 the

00:44:04.920 schools

00:44:05.200 of

00:44:05.380 America

00:44:05.720 and

00:44:05.940 that

00:44:06.060 the

00:44:06.480 shaming

00:44:06.860 of

00:44:07.020 people

00:44:07.220 based

00:44:07.480 on

00:44:07.620 pigmentation

00:44:08.120 has

00:44:08.840 now

00:44:09.060 become

00:44:09.380 acceptable

00:44:09.860 and

00:44:10.240 if

00:44:10.360 you

00:44:10.460 think

00:44:10.640 it's

00:44:10.800 okay

00:44:11.060 just

00:44:11.260 because

00:44:11.400 the

00:44:11.520 people

00:44:11.720 who

00:44:11.840 are

00:44:11.940 being

00:44:12.100 shamed

00:44:12.400 are

00:44:12.560 whites

00:44:12.920 you

00:44:13.420 haven't

00:44:13.620 studied

00:44:13.860 history

00:44:14.200 to see

00:44:14.520 how

00:44:14.660 that

00:44:14.800 pendulum

00:44:15.180 swings

00:44:15.560 back

00:44:15.920 right

00:44:16.660 like

00:44:16.860 this

00:44:17.340 is

00:44:17.520 not

00:44:17.680 going

00:44:17.800 to

00:44:17.900 end

00:44:18.100 well

00:44:18.340 if

00:44:18.640 we

00:44:18.800 continue

00:44:19.160 going

00:44:19.440 down

00:44:19.700 this

00:44:19.920 route

00:44:20.160 it's

00:44:20.480 creating

00:44:21.100 more

00:44:21.820 racism

00:44:22.520 which

00:44:23.140 is

00:44:23.240 what

00:44:23.400 I

00:44:23.520 hate

00:44:24.060 so

00:44:24.420 much

00:44:24.620 about

00:44:24.840 it's

00:44:25.100 totally

00:44:25.460 anti

00:44:25.820 the

00:44:26.000 MLK

00:44:26.360 dream

00:44:36.060 talking

00:44:36.620 but

00:44:38.140 if

00:44:38.260 you

00:44:38.340 focus

00:44:38.680 in

00:44:38.860 on

00:44:38.960 that

00:44:39.140 right

00:44:39.360 the

00:44:39.540 response

00:44:39.940 from

00:44:40.120 the

00:44:40.340 radical

00:44:41.380 left

00:44:41.720 is

00:44:41.880 you're

00:44:42.440 a

00:44:42.540 racist

00:44:42.840 what

00:44:44.040 you're

00:44:44.340 trying

00:44:44.620 to

00:44:44.780 avoid

00:44:45.140 is

00:44:45.380 an

00:44:45.480 education

00:44:45.880 on

00:44:46.240 the

00:44:46.360 history

00:44:46.640 of

00:44:46.800 racism

00:44:47.120 in

00:44:47.320 America

00:44:47.640 and

00:44:47.840 how

00:44:47.960 to

00:44:48.060 combat

00:44:48.320 it

00:44:48.500 you

00:44:48.980 need

00:44:49.240 to

00:44:49.340 read

00:44:49.520 more

00:44:49.680 Robin

00:44:50.000 D'Angelo

00:44:50.480 and

00:44:51.280 I

00:44:51.400 think

00:44:51.680 you

00:44:52.000 and

00:44:52.120 I

00:44:52.260 can

00:44:52.420 look

00:44:52.580 at

00:44:52.660 them

00:44:52.780 and

00:44:52.900 say

00:44:53.060 you're

00:44:53.260 insane

00:44:53.640 Robin

00:44:54.100 D'Angelo

00:44:54.520 book

00:44:54.780 is

00:44:54.900 racist

00:44:55.180 her

00:44:55.380 theory

00:44:55.660 is

00:44:55.800 racist

00:44:56.100 I'm

00:44:56.400 fighting

00:44:56.660 against

00:44:57.060 racism

00:44:57.460 I

00:44:57.600 don't

00:44:57.720 believe

00:44:58.100 we

00:44:58.540 have

00:44:58.660 the

00:44:58.780 same

00:44:58.960 goal

00:44:59.300 get

00:44:59.720 rid

00:44:59.880 of

00:45:00.000 racism

00:45:00.340 if

00:45:00.560 we

00:45:00.680 can

00:45:00.880 or

00:45:01.020 at

00:45:01.120 least

00:45:01.300 eliminate

00:45:01.960 it

00:45:02.200 in

00:45:02.740 the

00:45:02.840 pockets

00:45:03.120 in

00:45:03.280 which

00:45:03.420 it

00:45:03.520 still

00:45:03.720 exists

00:45:04.060 or

00:45:04.200 work

00:45:04.440 toward

00:45:04.920 it

00:45:05.120 but

00:45:05.440 we

00:45:05.560 have

00:45:05.680 a

00:45:05.800 very

00:45:06.020 different

00:45:06.300 approach

00:45:06.640 and

00:45:06.800 very

00:45:07.040 deep

00:45:08.080 disagreement

00:45:08.460 on

00:45:08.660 the

00:45:08.780 methods

00:45:09.120 that

00:45:09.940 kind

00:45:10.500 of

00:45:10.620 talk

00:45:10.980 that

00:45:11.160 kind

00:45:11.340 of

00:45:11.460 language

00:45:11.940 is

00:45:12.400 not

00:45:12.560 available

00:45:12.920 to

00:45:13.120 most

00:45:13.300 people

00:45:13.520 they

00:45:13.660 don't

00:45:13.780 even

00:45:13.900 understand

00:45:14.260 that

00:45:14.420 that's

00:45:14.680 that's

00:45:14.700 that's

00:45:14.980 the

00:45:15.080 argument

00:45:15.340 we're

00:45:15.520 having

00:45:15.780 that's

00:45:16.540 what's

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00:45:16.960 so

00:45:17.220 genius

00:45:17.620 about

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00:45:18.620 is

00:45:19.080 that

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00:45:19.940 itself

00:45:20.400 as

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00:45:21.560 as

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00:45:22.260 civil

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00:45:27.360 in

00:45:27.520 reality

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00:45:28.680 cynical

00:45:29.200 it

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00:45:29.860 intolerant

00:45:30.840 it

00:45:31.580 is

00:45:31.760 neo

00:45:32.020 racist

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00:45:39.640 collective

00:45:40.320 guilt

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00:45:42.560 color

00:45:42.920 and

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00:45:47.360 truth

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00:45:50.900 a

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00:45:52.860 country

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00:45:57.580 things

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00:45:58.000 think

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00:45:58.460 important

00:45:58.960 is

00:45:59.600 you

00:45:59.880 know

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00:46:00.720 through

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00:46:01.800 past

00:46:02.020 few

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00:46:03.120 just

00:46:03.340 such

00:46:03.640 a

00:46:03.820 degradation

00:46:04.260 of

00:46:04.940 language

00:46:05.660 and

00:46:06.200 such

00:46:06.360 a

00:46:06.540 coarsening

00:46:06.980 of

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00:46:13.720 that's

00:46:14.540 certainly

00:46:14.840 the

00:46:15.080 case

00:46:15.340 when

00:46:15.520 it

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00:46:16.000 to

00:46:16.200 critical

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00:46:16.880 theory

00:46:17.220 again

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00:46:20.680 you

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00:46:21.740 in

00:46:23.080 equality

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00:46:25.300 law

00:46:25.600 do

00:46:26.220 you

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00:46:26.740 that

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00:46:28.020 to

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00:46:29.020 where

00:46:29.300 color

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00:46:34.860 is

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00:46:35.980 people

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00:46:37.620 into

00:46:38.220 you

00:46:39.100 know

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00:46:39.580 categories

00:46:40.380 you

00:46:40.680 know

00:46:40.840 victim

00:46:41.720 and

00:46:41.980 victimizer

00:46:42.680 oppressor

00:46:43.420 and

00:46:43.580 oppressed

00:46:44.080 and

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00:46:44.940 think

00:46:45.180 that

00:46:45.360 anyone

00:46:45.660 that

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00:46:46.240 the

00:46:46.400 opposite

00:46:46.740 of

00:46:46.960 that

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00:46:47.800 embracing

00:46:48.280 something

00:46:49.000 illiberal

00:46:49.700 intolerant

00:46:50.440 and

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00:46:51.920 know

00:46:52.040 it's

00:46:52.380 we

00:46:52.600 have

00:46:52.900 to

00:46:53.080 do

00:46:53.300 a

00:46:53.460 better

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00:46:54.020 of

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00:46:54.680 it

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00:46:55.180 while

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00:46:55.940 are

00:46:56.060 people

00:46:56.360 out

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00:46:57.220 you

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00:46:58.460 like

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00:46:59.280 is

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00:47:08.180 of

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00:47:14.960 for

00:47:15.160 people

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00:47:16.880 it

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00:47:19.000 do

00:47:19.360 a

00:47:19.520 good

00:47:19.660 job

00:47:20.020 and

00:47:20.180 I

00:47:20.300 think

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00:47:21.980 of

00:47:22.140 people

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00:47:43.940 about

00:47:44.200 Joe

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00:47:45.280 and

00:47:45.600 control

00:47:45.980 now

00:47:46.220 by

00:47:46.380 the

00:47:46.520 Democrats

00:47:46.840 of

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00:47:47.140 House

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00:47:47.440 the

00:47:47.600 Senate

00:47:47.780 because

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00:47:48.900 do

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00:48:18.060 know

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00:48:21.400 we're

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00:48:24.440 less

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00:48:25.380 in

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00:49:56.800 that happened

00:49:57.160 in the

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00:49:57.500 this week

00:49:57.820 and today

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00:50:01.360 just

00:50:01.640 watching

00:50:02.220 the

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00:50:03.720 sent

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00:50:22.520 patriotic

00:50:23.020 when I

00:50:23.300 watch

00:50:23.520 the

00:50:23.680 inaugurations

00:50:24.360 whether

00:50:25.320 I

00:50:25.520 voted

00:50:25.700 for

00:50:25.880 the

00:50:26.000 guy

00:50:26.320 or

00:50:26.620 the

00:50:26.760 gal

00:50:27.020 or

00:50:27.300 not

00:50:27.660 and

00:50:28.540 that's

00:50:28.760 how

00:50:28.860 I

00:50:29.000 felt

00:50:29.220 when

00:50:29.480 I

00:50:29.600 watched

00:50:29.820 Biden

00:50:30.120 and

00:50:30.300 Harris

00:50:30.580 take

00:50:31.000 the

00:50:39.400 Trump

00:50:39.720 didn't

00:50:40.020 go

00:50:40.320 but

00:50:40.980 it

00:50:41.080 was

00:50:41.260 utterly

00:50:41.600 peaceful

00:50:42.080 in

00:50:42.780 fact

00:50:43.100 I

00:50:43.420 mean

00:50:43.520 of

00:50:43.660 course

00:50:43.800 it

00:50:43.900 was

00:50:44.000 locked

00:50:44.280 down

00:50:44.700 you

00:50:45.280 know

00:50:45.380 it

00:50:45.720 felt

00:50:46.040 peaceful

00:50:46.460 and

00:50:46.640 there

00:50:46.740 was

00:50:46.920 not

00:50:47.420 this

00:50:47.640 widespread

00:50:48.120 outbreak

00:50:48.740 of

00:50:48.940 violence

00:50:49.280 from

00:50:49.480 city

00:50:49.720 to

00:50:49.920 city

00:50:50.120 and

00:50:50.280 state

00:50:50.480 capitals

00:50:50.980 as

00:50:51.200 some

00:50:51.360 had

00:50:51.500 feared

00:50:51.740 and

00:50:51.880 predicted

00:50:52.240 it

00:50:53.480 was

00:50:53.620 a

00:50:53.780 lovely

00:50:53.980 day

00:50:54.360 and

00:50:55.260 also

00:50:55.500 I

00:50:55.680 do

00:50:55.820 think

00:50:56.020 it's

00:50:56.180 amazing

00:50:56.540 that

00:50:56.900 you

00:50:57.320 know

00:50:57.400 seeing

00:50:57.700 a

00:50:57.860 woman

00:50:58.000 of

00:50:58.160 color

00:50:58.380 assume

00:50:58.920 the

00:50:59.140 vice

00:50:59.320 presidency

00:50:59.700 was

00:51:00.260 very

00:51:00.780 cool

00:51:01.100 we've

00:51:01.340 never

00:51:01.460 had

00:51:01.600 a

00:51:01.720 woman

00:51:01.920 in

00:51:02.060 the

00:51:02.340 white

00:51:02.500 house

00:51:02.700 in

00:51:03.000 the

00:51:03.100 top

00:51:03.340 or

00:51:03.440 second

00:51:03.700 job

00:51:04.040 yet

00:51:04.320 never

00:51:05.240 mind

00:51:05.500 a

00:51:05.600 woman

00:51:05.740 of

00:51:05.880 color

00:51:06.080 so

00:51:06.260 it's

00:51:06.420 great

00:51:07.040 those

00:51:07.320 those

00:51:07.640 barriers

00:51:08.000 are

00:51:08.260 good

00:51:08.440 they're

00:51:08.600 good

00:51:08.720 for

00:51:08.860 little

00:51:09.060 girls

00:51:09.380 to

00:51:09.560 see

00:51:09.840 little

00:51:10.080 boys

00:51:10.460 and

00:51:10.680 girls

00:51:11.260 of

00:51:11.940 all

00:51:12.200 of

00:51:12.380 all

00:51:12.560 colors

00:51:12.880 and

00:51:13.080 backgrounds

00:51:13.520 you

00:51:14.760 know

00:51:14.820 they

00:51:14.940 do

00:51:15.080 say

00:51:15.260 if

00:51:15.360 you

00:51:15.400 can

00:51:15.500 be

00:51:16.140 it

00:51:16.300 so

00:51:16.420 there's

00:51:16.580 something

00:51:16.780 to

00:51:17.000 it

00:51:17.160 anyway

00:51:17.500 the

00:51:17.860 bottom

00:51:18.240 line

00:51:18.520 is

00:51:18.820 Biden

00:51:19.620 speech

00:51:19.860 was

00:51:20.000 very

00:51:20.160 good

00:51:20.560 it

00:51:21.120 was

00:51:21.280 also

00:51:21.640 a

00:51:23.560 little

00:51:23.940 what's

00:51:24.560 the

00:51:24.660 word

00:51:24.860 hypocritical

00:51:25.460 as he

00:51:26.120 called

00:51:26.280 for

00:51:26.440 unity

00:51:26.720 in

00:51:26.880 the

00:51:27.000 best

00:51:27.180 terms

00:51:27.420 he

00:51:27.540 possibly

00:51:27.880 could

00:51:28.180 he

00:51:28.580 was

00:51:28.760 stoking

00:51:29.040 some

00:51:29.260 of

00:51:29.340 the

00:51:29.420 race

00:51:29.640 wars

00:51:29.960 again

00:51:30.560 and

00:51:31.680 you

00:51:31.840 know

00:51:32.000 his

00:51:32.220 team

00:51:32.480 is

00:51:32.640 behind

00:51:32.980 the

00:51:33.160 scenes

00:51:33.440 making

00:51:34.040 lists

00:51:34.380 of

00:51:34.540 who

00:51:34.640 they're

00:51:34.740 going

00:51:34.840 to

00:51:34.940 punish

00:51:35.160 from

00:51:35.300 the

00:51:35.400 Trump

00:51:35.580 administration

00:51:36.080 as

00:51:36.340 they

00:51:36.460 proceed

00:51:36.760 with

00:51:36.900 an

00:51:37.000 impeachment

00:51:37.320 against

00:51:37.620 the

00:51:37.760 guys

00:51:37.980 even

00:51:38.280 though

00:51:38.420 he's

00:51:38.540 left

00:51:38.700 office

00:51:39.000 it's

00:51:39.380 not

00:51:39.540 the

00:51:39.700 most

00:51:40.160 uniting

00:51:40.700 plan

00:51:41.020 it's

00:51:41.200 a little

00:51:41.360 bit

00:51:41.500 more

00:51:41.640 divisive

00:51:42.100 and

00:51:42.380 I

00:51:42.500 actually

00:51:42.840 think

00:51:43.200 that

00:51:43.500 unity

00:51:44.780 is

00:51:44.920 not

00:51:45.060 possible

00:51:45.460 it's

00:51:46.520 not

00:51:46.740 we

00:51:47.280 can

00:51:47.380 lower

00:51:47.520 the

00:51:47.680 temperature

00:51:48.040 we can

00:51:48.660 be

00:51:48.740 a little

00:51:48.920 kinder

00:51:49.280 to

00:51:49.400 each

00:51:49.560 other

00:51:49.760 but

00:51:50.680 we're

00:51:51.020 going

00:51:51.100 to

00:51:51.200 fight

00:51:51.420 the

00:51:52.420 two

00:51:52.580 sides

00:51:52.800 don't

00:51:53.000 agree

00:51:53.220 and

00:51:54.000 I'm

00:51:54.120 not

00:51:54.240 even

00:51:54.360 talking

00:51:54.600 about

00:51:54.780 things

00:51:54.980 like

00:51:55.260 granting

00:51:55.760 a

00:51:55.980 path

00:51:56.240 to

00:51:56.460 citizenship

00:51:56.920 for

00:51:57.240 11

00:51:57.520 million

00:51:57.760 people

00:51:58.040 who

00:51:58.200 are

00:51:58.300 here

00:51:58.640 and

00:51:59.060 undocumented

00:51:59.600 I'm

00:52:00.060 talking

00:52:00.340 about

00:52:00.720 this

00:52:01.540 culture

00:52:02.260 war

00:52:02.640 that

00:52:03.000 we've

00:52:03.220 been

00:52:03.300 talking

00:52:03.480 about

00:52:03.660 on

00:52:03.760 this

00:52:03.900 show

00:52:04.160 today

00:52:05.120 and

00:52:05.280 on

00:52:05.400 other

00:52:05.560 days

00:52:05.860 we're

00:52:06.880 talking

00:52:07.000 about

00:52:07.160 the

00:52:07.280 very

00:52:07.480 heart

00:52:07.840 of

00:52:08.220 how

00:52:08.580 we

00:52:08.820 live

00:52:09.100 how

00:52:09.360 we

00:52:09.540 can

00:52:09.660 talk

00:52:09.940 to

00:52:10.080 each

00:52:10.280 other

00:52:10.500 do

00:52:11.200 we

00:52:11.380 shame

00:52:11.840 one

00:52:12.040 another

00:52:12.260 and

00:52:12.420 our

00:52:12.540 children

00:52:12.880 day

00:52:13.220 after

00:52:13.440 day

00:52:13.800 in

00:52:14.140 schools

00:52:14.620 and

00:52:14.880 elsewhere

00:52:15.240 must

00:52:16.400 everyone

00:52:17.040 bend

00:52:17.520 the

00:52:17.740 knee

00:52:17.980 to

00:52:18.800 one

00:52:19.480 small

00:52:19.800 group

00:52:20.060 or

00:52:20.220 another

00:52:20.460 who

00:52:20.780 tells

00:52:21.040 us

00:52:21.180 how

00:52:21.360 we

00:52:21.520 must

00:52:21.720 feel

00:52:21.960 how

00:52:22.140 we

00:52:22.280 must

00:52:22.500 be

00:52:22.900 no

00:52:24.700 we

00:52:25.200 mustn't

00:52:25.620 that's

00:52:26.380 not

00:52:26.520 a

00:52:26.640 requirement

00:52:27.040 and

00:52:27.520 the

00:52:27.640 more

00:52:27.800 you

00:52:27.940 try

00:52:28.080 to

00:52:28.220 shame

00:52:28.680 half

00:52:28.920 the

00:52:29.080 country

00:52:29.460 for

00:52:30.060 not

00:52:30.240 doing

00:52:30.620 exactly

00:52:31.120 what

00:52:31.360 you

00:52:31.480 want

00:52:31.680 them

00:52:31.820 to

00:52:31.940 do

00:52:32.100 and

00:52:32.240 being

00:52:32.660 exactly

00:52:33.080 who

00:52:33.240 you

00:52:33.320 want

00:52:33.480 them

00:52:33.600 to

00:52:33.740 be

00:52:33.980 the

00:52:34.480 more

00:52:34.640 divided

00:52:34.940 we're

00:52:35.140 going

00:52:35.240 to

00:52:35.320 get

00:52:35.520 so

00:52:35.720 until

00:52:36.060 Biden

00:52:36.980 starts

00:52:37.280 talking

00:52:37.520 about

00:52:37.700 that

00:52:38.060 and

00:52:38.740 living

00:52:39.100 that

00:52:39.500 it's

00:52:40.580 not

00:52:40.700 going

00:52:40.800 to be

00:52:40.920 a

00:52:41.020 united

00:52:41.200 country

00:52:41.560 I

00:52:42.380 do

00:52:42.800 have

00:52:43.020 hopes

00:52:43.300 for

00:52:43.620 lowered

00:52:44.500 temperature

00:52:45.140 less

00:52:46.560 incendiary

00:52:47.360 rhetoric

00:52:47.780 less

00:52:48.060 personal

00:52:48.540 attacks

00:52:48.940 that

00:52:49.300 the

00:52:50.020 thin

00:52:50.700 skinned

00:52:51.440 nature

00:52:56.640 who

00:52:56.860 has

00:52:57.040 proven

00:52:57.680 an

00:52:57.860 ability

00:52:58.180 to

00:52:58.420 keep

00:52:58.720 quiet

00:52:59.080 and

00:52:59.800 stay

00:53:00.060 out

00:53:00.180 of

00:53:00.240 the

00:53:00.360 fray

00:53:00.660 you

00:53:01.460 know

00:53:01.560 from

00:53:01.680 time

00:53:01.880 to

00:53:02.020 time

00:53:02.260 I

00:53:02.640 think

00:53:02.780 that

00:53:02.920 might

00:53:03.080 come

00:53:03.340 as

00:53:03.680 a

00:53:03.800 refreshing

00:53:04.160 change

00:53:04.600 we'll

00:53:05.480 see

00:53:05.780 let's

00:53:06.320 stay

00:53:06.500 open

00:53:06.740 minded

00:53:07.040 but

00:53:08.120 unity

00:53:09.040 on

00:53:10.200 the

00:53:10.680 things

00:53:10.960 that

00:53:11.180 matter

00:53:11.520 don't

00:53:12.920 count

00:53:13.140 on

00:53:13.300 it

00:53:13.780 back

00:53:14.660 to

00:53:14.800 Barry

00:53:15.020 one

00:53:18.700 of the

00:53:18.940 things

00:53:19.180 that seems

00:53:19.600 to rise

00:53:20.240 with

00:53:20.580 this

00:53:20.820 you know

00:53:21.140 triple

00:53:21.580 down

00:53:21.980 on

00:53:22.160 what

00:53:22.300 they

00:53:22.460 call

00:53:22.940 anti

00:53:23.480 racism

00:53:23.940 for

00:53:24.360 some

00:53:24.760 reason

00:53:25.200 seems

00:53:26.040 to be

00:53:26.380 anti

00:53:26.700 semitism

00:53:27.500 like

00:53:27.740 why

00:53:28.400 why

00:53:29.180 has

00:53:29.720 discrimination

00:53:31.060 bias

00:53:32.080 toward

00:53:32.600 even

00:53:32.980 hatred

00:53:33.500 toward

00:53:34.060 jewish

00:53:34.660 people

00:53:35.060 risen

00:53:35.980 to the

00:53:36.820 extent

00:53:37.080 I feel

00:53:37.480 it has

00:53:37.780 I think

00:53:38.060 you feel

00:53:38.400 it has

00:53:38.800 in the

00:53:39.380 past

00:53:39.740 let's

00:53:40.020 say

00:53:40.140 10

00:53:40.500 years

00:53:40.840 you see

00:53:41.440 it

00:53:41.580 everywhere

00:53:41.980 and it's

00:53:42.600 given

00:53:42.760 an open

00:53:43.200 pass

00:53:43.640 yeah

00:53:44.220 oh my

00:53:44.720 god

00:53:44.980 this is

00:53:45.600 I could

00:53:46.040 talk about

00:53:46.420 this for

00:53:46.780 hours

00:53:47.240 look

00:53:48.300 I think

00:53:48.920 that

00:53:49.260 any

00:53:49.800 caste

00:53:50.480 system

00:53:51.200 so

00:53:52.000 let me

00:53:52.380 put it

00:53:52.620 this way

00:53:53.020 I'll

00:53:53.880 kind of

00:53:54.260 do a

00:53:54.840 10,000

00:53:55.420 foot view

00:53:56.020 and then

00:53:56.440 I'll

00:53:56.740 try and

00:53:57.040 drill down

00:53:57.420 to your

00:53:57.680 question

00:53:58.100 in the

00:53:59.100 anti-semitic

00:54:00.060 conspiracy

00:54:00.700 theory

00:54:01.380 and that

00:54:01.900 is what

00:54:02.200 it is

00:54:02.560 it is

00:54:02.860 a

00:54:03.000 conspiracy

00:54:03.480 theory

00:54:04.080 the

00:54:04.920 jews

00:54:05.620 or jews

00:54:06.460 or the

00:54:06.740 jewish

00:54:07.020 state

00:54:07.440 comes to

00:54:09.080 stand

00:54:09.580 for whatever

00:54:10.240 a given

00:54:10.800 culture

00:54:11.340 or civilization

00:54:12.340 defines

00:54:13.180 as its

00:54:13.960 most

00:54:14.420 loathsome

00:54:15.760 or disgusting

00:54:16.340 qualities

00:54:16.960 okay

00:54:17.520 and that's

00:54:18.000 how under

00:54:18.500 that's how

00:54:19.200 the jews

00:54:19.560 can be so

00:54:20.040 many things

00:54:20.500 at once

00:54:20.900 it's how

00:54:21.280 under

00:54:21.600 nazism

00:54:22.180 the jews

00:54:23.040 become the

00:54:23.480 race

00:54:23.680 contaminators

00:54:24.480 how under

00:54:24.900 communism

00:54:25.440 we're the

00:54:26.140 bourgeois

00:54:26.920 arch capitalists

00:54:28.120 I could go on

00:54:30.180 through history

00:54:30.740 but you get the

00:54:31.300 drift

00:54:31.640 right now

00:54:33.140 the jews

00:54:34.220 are in a

00:54:34.780 very precarious

00:54:35.960 and strange

00:54:36.600 position

00:54:37.100 because you

00:54:37.780 have the

00:54:38.360 accusation

00:54:39.100 that comes

00:54:39.720 from the

00:54:40.100 far right

00:54:40.720 from people

00:54:41.700 like the

00:54:42.440 the killer

00:54:44.660 in who

00:54:45.360 who stormed

00:54:46.220 into my

00:54:46.940 synagogue

00:54:47.280 in pittsburgh

00:54:48.260 two years

00:54:48.840 ago

00:54:49.140 and he

00:54:50.020 said

00:54:50.340 you know

00:54:50.720 all jews

00:54:51.940 must die

00:54:52.500 and he

00:54:52.980 killed

00:54:53.280 11 of

00:54:53.700 my

00:54:53.840 neighbors

00:54:54.120 and he

00:54:54.480 was driven

00:54:55.040 by I

00:54:56.280 think what

00:54:56.640 is just

00:54:57.120 very

00:54:57.640 archetypal

00:54:58.640 view of

00:54:59.420 jews

00:54:59.760 from the

00:55:00.060 far right

00:55:00.900 and it

00:55:01.180 goes like

00:55:01.580 this

00:55:01.940 jews

00:55:03.200 at least

00:55:03.500 american jews

00:55:04.360 are overwhelmingly

00:55:05.200 of eastern

00:55:05.760 european descent

00:55:06.740 they're ashkenazi

00:55:07.580 they appear

00:55:08.240 to be white

00:55:08.880 and yet

00:55:10.080 they're in

00:55:11.500 fact

00:55:11.980 and this

00:55:12.580 is not

00:55:13.420 the language

00:55:13.980 of this

00:55:14.460 disgusting

00:55:15.620 view

00:55:16.100 not mine

00:55:16.680 in fact

00:55:17.820 they are

00:55:18.280 loyal

00:55:18.960 slavishly

00:55:19.960 loyal

00:55:20.320 to black

00:55:21.200 people

00:55:21.680 and brown

00:55:22.360 people

00:55:22.900 and muslims

00:55:24.020 and immigrants

00:55:24.700 and so in a way

00:55:26.040 they're the greatest

00:55:27.100 trick the devil

00:55:28.020 has ever played

00:55:28.820 so the jews

00:55:30.800 are sort of

00:55:32.140 fake white

00:55:33.180 people

00:55:33.600 so when you hear

00:55:34.860 in charlottesville

00:55:35.600 jews will not

00:55:36.400 replace us

00:55:37.280 what they mean

00:55:38.260 is not

00:55:38.740 you know

00:55:39.240 jews are going

00:55:39.760 to take my

00:55:40.440 place in the

00:55:40.920 corner office

00:55:41.480 they mean

00:55:42.020 the jews

00:55:42.700 are the secret

00:55:43.260 hand opening

00:55:44.080 the borders

00:55:44.680 to all of

00:55:45.720 these people

00:55:46.300 who will

00:55:46.920 replace

00:55:48.020 white

00:55:48.860 america

00:55:49.420 so that's

00:55:50.500 the knock

00:55:50.900 against us

00:55:51.420 on the far

00:55:51.880 right

00:55:52.140 and on the

00:55:52.540 far left

00:55:53.000 it's kind

00:55:53.400 of a mirror

00:55:53.840 image

00:55:54.320 what the

00:55:55.020 far left

00:55:55.680 says

00:55:56.160 is

00:55:57.140 the jews

00:55:58.860 claim to

00:55:59.500 be a

00:55:59.780 minority

00:56:00.220 they say

00:56:01.540 that they're

00:56:01.960 oppressed

00:56:02.360 and by

00:56:03.040 every measure

00:56:04.200 the greatest

00:56:05.380 number of

00:56:05.860 hate crimes

00:56:06.320 every year

00:56:06.860 in this

00:56:07.140 country

00:56:07.440 are carried

00:56:07.880 out

00:56:08.120 against

00:56:08.480 jews

00:56:08.980 even though

00:56:09.380 we're less

00:56:09.720 than two

00:56:10.020 percent

00:56:10.260 of the

00:56:10.540 population

00:56:11.040 so they

00:56:12.180 claim to

00:56:12.660 be a

00:56:12.880 minority

00:56:13.280 they say

00:56:13.880 they're

00:56:14.080 oppressed

00:56:14.460 but hold

00:56:14.960 on

00:56:15.260 they're white

00:56:16.180 they're white

00:56:17.060 passing

00:56:17.500 they're white

00:56:17.980 adjacent

00:56:18.540 more than

00:56:19.560 that

00:56:19.860 they support

00:56:20.640 israel

00:56:21.000 which is

00:56:21.340 the last

00:56:21.760 standing

00:56:22.000 bastion of

00:56:22.640 white

00:56:22.860 colonialism

00:56:23.440 in the

00:56:23.840 middle east

00:56:24.420 so in fact

00:56:25.820 not only are

00:56:26.740 they not a

00:56:27.200 minority

00:56:27.540 and not

00:56:28.040 oppressed

00:56:28.540 they're handmaidens

00:56:30.120 to white

00:56:30.600 supremacy

00:56:31.160 does that

00:56:32.100 make sense

00:56:32.660 so yeah

00:56:33.580 that's what's

00:56:34.360 happening on

00:56:34.960 both scores

00:56:35.980 to drill down

00:56:36.960 a little bit

00:56:37.500 more on what's

00:56:38.100 happening on

00:56:38.640 the left

00:56:39.120 the left

00:56:40.040 the far

00:56:40.520 left

00:56:40.920 not the

00:56:41.580 liberal

00:56:41.800 left

00:56:42.100 the far

00:56:42.620 left

00:56:43.000 the left

00:56:43.920 that talks

00:56:44.360 a lot about

00:56:44.900 intersectionality

00:56:46.560 and critical

00:56:47.600 race theory

00:56:48.340 they're suggesting

00:56:49.680 essentially

00:56:50.660 that we

00:56:51.840 flip

00:56:52.520 the caste

00:56:53.360 system

00:56:54.020 that has

00:56:54.720 existed

00:56:55.360 in

00:56:56.240 western

00:56:57.100 civilization

00:56:57.740 up until

00:56:58.280 five minutes

00:56:58.920 ago

00:56:59.180 rather than

00:56:59.760 fight to

00:57:00.620 get rid

00:57:00.940 of the

00:57:01.220 caste

00:57:01.480 system

00:57:01.900 so

00:57:02.560 if the

00:57:03.340 old caste

00:57:04.340 system

00:57:04.740 had

00:57:05.040 Brad Pitt

00:57:05.820 and John

00:57:06.260 Hamm

00:57:06.540 at the

00:57:06.800 top

00:57:07.180 and at

00:57:08.420 the very

00:57:08.800 bottom

00:57:09.180 a black

00:57:10.880 woman

00:57:11.240 who had

00:57:12.160 some kind

00:57:12.700 of disability

00:57:13.440 let's say

00:57:14.060 they're saying

00:57:15.380 let's flip

00:57:16.440 that

00:57:16.720 so now

00:57:17.580 let's put

00:57:18.140 the Brad

00:57:18.500 Pitts of

00:57:18.900 the world

00:57:19.220 at the

00:57:19.440 very bottom

00:57:19.960 and those

00:57:21.260 with the

00:57:21.780 most sort

00:57:22.760 of victim

00:57:24.120 status at

00:57:24.820 the very

00:57:25.120 top

00:57:25.540 well in

00:57:26.500 that new

00:57:26.960 rubric

00:57:27.500 American

00:57:29.000 Jews who

00:57:29.680 have you

00:57:30.180 know outside

00:57:31.120 success compared

00:57:32.120 to our

00:57:32.500 numbers

00:57:32.980 there's

00:57:34.900 something

00:57:35.280 like you

00:57:35.980 know just

00:57:37.920 above the

00:57:38.720 Brad

00:57:38.980 Pitts of the

00:57:39.860 world

00:57:40.140 and so if

00:57:41.580 you look at

00:57:42.040 the world

00:57:42.360 that way

00:57:43.000 our

00:57:44.220 oppression

00:57:45.560 our

00:57:46.380 the

00:57:47.920 physical

00:57:48.860 attacks

00:57:49.880 that are

00:57:50.180 taking place

00:57:50.840 almost every

00:57:51.580 single day

00:57:52.240 against visible

00:57:53.000 Jews in

00:57:53.700 neighborhoods of

00:57:54.260 Brooklyn like

00:57:54.880 Crown Heights

00:57:55.800 and Borough Park

00:57:56.700 they don't

00:57:58.180 rank

00:57:58.740 and so that's

00:57:59.960 one of the

00:58:00.340 things that is

00:58:00.960 so dangerous

00:58:01.800 about this

00:58:03.280 moment is

00:58:04.040 that you

00:58:04.780 know if you

00:58:05.120 see the

00:58:05.620 entire world

00:58:06.600 only in

00:58:07.880 terms of

00:58:08.280 one lens

00:58:09.020 and that

00:58:09.480 lens is

00:58:09.960 black and

00:58:10.420 white that

00:58:10.860 lens is

00:58:11.300 color

00:58:11.660 well you're

00:58:13.180 gonna overlook

00:58:14.280 you're gonna

00:58:16.180 overlook hatred

00:58:17.020 against Jews

00:58:17.760 they don't

00:58:19.720 rank

00:58:20.140 that's so

00:58:21.140 well said

00:58:21.820 I get it

00:58:22.560 now

00:58:22.900 I

00:58:23.260 Jews don't

00:58:24.440 count

00:58:24.860 right

00:58:25.820 if someone

00:58:26.560 said about

00:58:27.240 another to

00:58:28.000 another editor

00:58:28.700 at the New York

00:58:29.100 Times you

00:58:29.400 writing about

00:58:29.800 the blacks

00:58:30.840 again are you

00:58:31.560 writing about

00:58:31.860 the trans

00:58:32.260 again are you

00:58:32.660 writing about

00:58:33.000 the gays

00:58:33.360 again think

00:58:34.260 about how

00:58:34.580 that sounds

00:58:35.100 to your

00:58:35.420 ear it's

00:58:36.660 disgusting

00:58:37.160 and yet

00:58:38.320 something

00:58:38.560 acceptable to

00:58:39.640 say about

00:58:40.100 Jews and

00:58:41.020 the same

00:58:41.440 thing goes

00:58:42.060 with you

00:58:42.500 know you

00:58:43.240 know I

00:58:43.460 find it

00:58:44.160 just unbelievably

00:58:45.320 striking that

00:58:46.100 we ran an

00:58:46.780 op-ed by

00:58:47.640 um Tom

00:58:49.380 Cotton that

00:58:50.080 essentially the

00:58:50.920 paper only you

00:58:51.800 know basically

00:58:52.340 rescinded they

00:58:53.300 ran like an

00:58:53.980 800 word

00:58:54.720 editor's note at

00:58:55.580 the top

00:58:55.940 apologizing for

00:58:56.900 running it

00:58:57.400 and yet the

00:58:58.320 paper ran

00:58:59.580 not one but

00:59:00.320 two puff

00:59:01.100 pieces about

00:59:02.140 Alice Walker

00:59:03.460 who is a vile

00:59:04.400 anti-Semite

00:59:05.200 who writes

00:59:05.880 poems about

00:59:06.920 the blood

00:59:07.620 libel neither

00:59:09.360 puff piece

00:59:10.060 mentioned anything

00:59:10.780 about her

00:59:11.320 Jew hatred

00:59:11.860 and when I

00:59:12.720 complained

00:59:13.260 internally over

00:59:14.720 the course you

00:59:15.440 know more and

00:59:16.620 more passionate

00:59:17.280 notes um I

00:59:18.860 was told that you

00:59:19.520 know she was a

00:59:20.120 literary elder and

00:59:21.220 we had already

00:59:21.840 run run the

00:59:22.780 piece and you

00:59:23.760 know they

00:59:23.980 wouldn't be

00:59:24.360 appending any

00:59:25.100 correction or

00:59:25.720 editor's note

00:59:26.340 I actually didn't

00:59:27.660 know that myself

00:59:28.700 about Alice Walker

00:59:29.740 who you know our

00:59:30.620 audience probably

00:59:31.260 knows that she

00:59:32.240 wrote the color

00:59:32.980 purple among other

00:59:34.180 books um she

00:59:35.820 did one of those

00:59:36.720 like I've done

00:59:37.380 one of these for

00:59:37.840 the times where

00:59:38.400 they do like I

00:59:39.520 don't know your

00:59:39.920 10 favorite books

00:59:40.680 or 20 questions

00:59:41.320 on books and and

00:59:42.940 can you just

00:59:43.360 explain because I

00:59:44.000 had to look it

00:59:44.520 up I wasn't

00:59:45.000 familiar with the

00:59:45.720 author or the or

00:59:46.600 the pawn that she

00:59:48.100 was praising and

00:59:49.180 she doubled down

00:59:50.060 on it even when it

00:59:51.160 was pointed out to

00:59:51.800 her hey you know

00:59:52.560 do you want to

00:59:53.180 back off of this

00:59:53.800 and she was like

00:59:54.300 nope can you just

00:59:55.460 tell our audience

00:59:56.400 what we're talking

00:59:56.800 about yeah so

00:59:58.020 Alice Walker um

00:59:59.320 wrote the color

00:59:59.920 purple which a lot

01:00:00.660 of people love um

01:00:02.220 but she is um

01:00:04.160 she is an

01:00:04.800 acolyte of

01:00:06.540 David Icke um

01:00:08.680 who is you

01:00:09.840 know a conspiracy

01:00:11.260 theorist that I

01:00:12.020 think has been

01:00:12.460 banned from

01:00:12.960 YouTube he's an

01:00:13.900 anti-vaxxer he

01:00:14.900 lives in England

01:00:16.120 and he believes in

01:00:17.160 the lizard

01:00:17.540 Illuminati um I'm

01:00:19.400 not exaggerating he

01:00:20.360 believes that there's

01:00:21.020 like a secret cabal

01:00:21.880 of lizard people that

01:00:22.880 control the world

01:00:23.680 and by the way a lot

01:00:24.540 of good people a

01:00:25.420 lot of good people

01:00:26.240 believe in that

01:00:26.940 what the hell

01:00:29.060 most of the lizard

01:00:30.240 surnames are like

01:00:31.420 Rosenberg and

01:00:32.280 Rothschild and so

01:00:33.500 this is what Alice

01:00:35.060 Walker um believes

01:00:36.720 and uh a lot of

01:00:39.640 people don't know

01:00:40.340 this now you would

01:00:40.980 think that a place

01:00:41.840 like the New York

01:00:42.420 Times would take the

01:00:43.320 time to to look into

01:00:44.760 it but um but they

01:00:46.380 didn't and when it

01:00:47.280 was raised they

01:00:48.320 decided not to do

01:00:49.740 anything about it

01:00:50.620 um and you know

01:00:52.600 people can go I

01:00:53.540 don't want to quote

01:00:54.260 it because it's

01:00:54.860 really despicable but

01:00:55.840 people can go on

01:00:56.800 Alice Walker's

01:00:58.280 website and read her

01:00:59.840 poetry about you

01:01:01.400 know the rabbis of

01:01:02.260 the Talmud drinking

01:01:03.980 blood I mean it's

01:01:05.740 it's it's as out

01:01:06.880 there as you can

01:01:07.500 possibly get actually

01:01:09.160 maybe I will quote

01:01:10.040 it this is it are

01:01:11.580 the going meaning

01:01:12.620 the non-jews us

01:01:13.480 meant to be slaves of

01:01:14.700 Jews and not only

01:01:16.080 that but to enjoy it

01:01:17.720 um follow the I

01:01:20.480 mean whatever it's

01:01:21.660 it's crazy I did

01:01:23.820 look up some of I

01:01:25.100 looked up some of it

01:01:26.100 and I I was like

01:01:26.940 there's no way no

01:01:28.100 come on this is

01:01:28.960 Oprah's Alice Walker

01:01:30.040 this is Oprah's you

01:01:31.000 know this is her

01:01:32.400 North Star um no

01:01:34.760 but so that's fine

01:01:35.700 that's fine by the

01:01:36.400 times and then Tom

01:01:37.420 Cotton thing I mean

01:01:38.560 let's just round back

01:01:39.440 to that before we

01:01:40.340 uh continue because I

01:01:41.860 think our viewers

01:01:42.400 probably our listeners

01:01:43.040 probably know what

01:01:43.560 we're talking about but

01:01:44.040 over the summer and

01:01:44.860 the unrest Tom Cotton

01:01:45.860 wrote an op-ed the

01:01:47.220 title of it by the

01:01:47.980 times was send in the

01:01:48.800 troops and he was

01:01:50.640 talking about should

01:01:51.520 we have the military

01:01:52.140 in the streets

01:01:52.800 advocating that we

01:01:54.200 should in the wake

01:01:55.160 of the George Floyd

01:01:55.840 protests and the

01:01:56.620 rioting and so on

01:01:57.460 and so forth and

01:01:58.100 there were complaints

01:01:59.700 inside the times that

01:02:00.980 this this put the

01:02:02.560 quote was on June

01:02:03.540 3rd 2020 uh running

01:02:05.260 this is a tweet by

01:02:06.260 times employee running

01:02:07.400 this puts black at

01:02:09.360 NYT staff in danger

01:02:12.080 and this is the same

01:02:13.480 magazine that earlier

01:02:15.920 had run an op-ed from

01:02:17.520 a member of the

01:02:18.240 Taliban okay from the

01:02:19.760 member of the Taliban

01:02:20.440 who's who they didn't

01:02:21.580 even highlight that

01:02:22.340 or disclose the

01:02:23.280 history of involvement

01:02:24.000 in terrorist activities

01:02:24.900 by the guy but nobody

01:02:25.980 nobody had a problem

01:02:26.760 with that at the

01:02:27.200 times but Tom

01:02:28.300 Cotton um you

01:02:30.100 know sending out

01:02:31.060 the uh sending the

01:02:33.260 troops right to

01:02:33.980 maintain order was a

01:02:34.820 problem today you

01:02:36.920 know in in leading up

01:02:37.960 to the inauguration

01:02:38.660 we're seeing that

01:02:40.140 same paper calling

01:02:42.500 for the troops to be

01:02:43.860 out there to protect

01:02:44.840 America in response

01:02:46.920 to the threat of

01:02:48.300 right-wing violence and

01:02:50.440 it's just another

01:02:51.300 example of their

01:02:51.900 hypocrisy and just how

01:02:53.200 thin-skinned there they

01:02:54.620 are in their their

01:02:55.940 total absence of

01:02:56.840 commitment to

01:02:57.380 principle like why

01:02:58.840 shouldn't Tom Cotton

01:02:59.900 be able to say that

01:03:00.700 why did your editor

01:03:02.020 James Bennett have to

01:03:03.160 resign three days

01:03:04.760 after he allowed it to

01:03:05.580 be published I think

01:03:07.180 and there's been so

01:03:08.380 many examples of this

01:03:10.100 happening that it's

01:03:11.220 like a it's like a

01:03:12.160 moral panic it's like a

01:03:13.900 frenzy and um there

01:03:17.300 needs to be some kind

01:03:18.940 of um scapegoat uh for

01:03:21.840 the people that are in

01:03:23.200 the frenzy in order to

01:03:24.580 quell it now of course

01:03:25.740 that the scapegoat

01:03:26.900 doesn't actually quell

01:03:28.080 it it just staves it

01:03:29.780 off for the next time

01:03:30.880 as we've seen in case

01:03:32.100 after case after case

01:03:33.360 um but I felt like you

01:03:35.960 know in a normal non

01:03:37.880 upside down world I

01:03:39.340 felt like the response

01:03:40.960 on the part of any

01:03:42.420 publisher in the case

01:03:44.240 of journalists claiming

01:03:46.240 that an op-ed um by a

01:03:48.580 senator put their lives

01:03:49.740 in danger would be you

01:03:51.240 know I respect that you

01:03:52.320 have this position

01:03:53.100 perhaps working in a

01:03:55.080 newspaper is not the

01:03:56.340 right career path for

01:03:57.440 you right but instead

01:04:00.060 it was I mean it what

01:04:05.480 happened in the wake of

01:04:06.640 that was like really

01:04:07.480 unbelievable I mean it

01:04:08.560 was like a struggle

01:04:09.220 session with people

01:04:10.660 crying with you know

01:04:12.160 the people that tweet

01:04:13.040 that being praised by

01:04:14.420 the masthead for their

01:04:15.560 moral clarity and their

01:04:17.040 courage um and

01:04:18.560 um it was quite a

01:04:20.140 spectacle at some

01:04:21.040 point probably I will

01:04:22.260 write about it but I

01:04:23.720 think you know now that

01:04:25.020 people are less now that

01:04:27.840 people have sobered up I

01:04:29.020 think increasing numbers

01:04:30.660 of people are seeing how

01:04:32.220 ridiculous that all was

01:04:34.420 how um unjust uh and and

01:04:40.200 the I mean not it wasn't

01:04:41.860 just James Bennett I mean

01:04:43.040 the the one of the editors

01:04:46.000 of the piece a 25 year

01:04:48.140 old um was thrown under

01:04:49.960 the bus and named by his

01:04:51.540 colleagues and his name

01:04:52.580 ran in the news side of

01:04:53.580 the paper again to go

01:04:55.180 back to the double

01:04:55.800 standard um listeners

01:04:57.700 might recall when the

01:04:59.480 New York Times ran a

01:05:00.540 deeply anti-semitic

01:05:01.680 cartoon featuring the

01:05:03.500 Israeli prime minister um

01:05:05.700 as a as a as a dog with

01:05:09.240 a I remember this he was

01:05:10.760 star around his collar

01:05:12.480 leading a blind Donald

01:05:14.200 Trump wearing a yarmulke

01:05:15.660 or a kippah on his head

01:05:17.040 now I know who who chose

01:05:20.400 that op-ed or sorry who

01:05:21.980 chose that cartoon um but

01:05:24.180 it would be totally

01:05:25.200 unprofessional and

01:05:26.660 uncollegial and wrong for

01:05:29.920 someone to leak that name

01:05:32.220 and of course it's never

01:05:33.140 been leaked and I hope it

01:05:34.240 never will um and yet it

01:05:36.280 took you know a day for

01:05:38.300 them to throw a 25 year

01:05:40.220 old very junior editor who

01:05:42.600 was only one of people

01:05:43.640 that one of the people

01:05:44.600 that had a hand in in

01:05:45.920 running the Tom Cotton

01:05:46.820 op-ed under the bus and

01:05:48.000 you know he's no longer

01:05:49.160 at the paper so Adam

01:05:50.880 Rubenstein exactly 25

01:05:53.860 years old he's recently

01:05:55.440 out as well but again

01:05:56.880 there's no amount of

01:05:57.660 wokeness for the woke it's

01:05:58.960 like that's not good

01:06:00.160 enough I think the thing

01:06:01.920 to emphasize for people

01:06:03.060 it is you know this is

01:06:06.000 now like what I like to

01:06:09.220 say to people is like the

01:06:11.140 New York Times is not

01:06:11.900 the New York Times

01:06:12.660 Harvard is not Harvard

01:06:14.280 you know go down the

01:06:16.520 list like it still has

01:06:18.440 the same Harvard still

01:06:19.680 has the same slogan and

01:06:20.860 the same crest the New

01:06:22.280 York Times still has you

01:06:23.620 know the font and you

01:06:26.000 know the claim to be the

01:06:27.100 paper of record but what

01:06:28.780 it actually is has

01:06:30.220 changed and it's changed

01:06:31.800 dramatically and try and

01:06:33.560 look beyond the font to

01:06:35.240 see that the New York

01:06:36.580 Times is now a place

01:06:37.720 where people are fired

01:06:39.980 for running an op-ed by a

01:06:42.140 conservative Republican

01:06:43.320 and yet pieces that are

01:06:46.080 out and out you know

01:06:47.440 propaganda from the

01:06:48.540 Chinese Communist Party

01:06:49.900 are acceptable

01:06:52.600 picking up on our on our

01:06:56.380 anti-Semitism discussion I

01:06:57.920 mean this is the same these

01:06:59.320 are the same people who you

01:07:00.780 know Vogue Vogue put the one

01:07:03.020 of the heads of the women's

01:07:05.500 the March for Women's

01:07:06.540 Lives to Mika Mallory on

01:07:08.840 the on the pages of Vogue

01:07:09.920 magazine even though she's

01:07:11.000 an open anti-Semite yes

01:07:13.160 that's right not to mention

01:07:14.900 Chelsea Handler right

01:07:16.320 Chelsea Handler's tweeting

01:07:17.200 out Louis Farrakhan soundbites

01:07:19.560 without apology she doesn't

01:07:21.760 care it was called to her

01:07:22.480 attention hey you know he

01:07:23.440 said some really bad things

01:07:25.580 like Jews are termites he

01:07:27.720 said a good thing in this

01:07:28.660 soundbite right I think what

01:07:30.920 it is is that all of us

01:07:32.440 there's a consensus about

01:07:34.780 what is unacceptable when it

01:07:37.140 comes to and again these

01:07:38.580 categories don't mean that

01:07:39.460 much anymore but what is

01:07:41.680 what it what are the limits

01:07:43.080 let's say of reason

01:07:45.620 acceptability when it comes

01:07:47.220 to the right you can't find

01:07:49.520 a person other than a cult

01:07:51.180 member who would possibly

01:07:53.000 defend you know the storming

01:07:55.160 of the Capitol by rioters

01:07:57.620 like everyone sees that with

01:08:00.340 perfect clarity and yet there

01:08:02.180 seems to be almost no limit

01:08:04.420 on the left you know you

01:08:07.140 had Puff Daddy or P Diddy

01:08:09.800 hosting Louis Farrakhan to to

01:08:11.940 give a July 4th day address on

01:08:13.920 Revolt TV which is the TV

01:08:15.440 station he owns I mean talk

01:08:18.500 about transphobic homophobic

01:08:20.440 Jew hating and not to mention

01:08:22.700 anti-vaxxer that's Louis Farrakhan

01:08:25.600 and yet somehow like that doesn't

01:08:28.100 justify outrage that doesn't

01:08:30.280 justify headlines and I think

01:08:31.620 we need to ask ourselves why

01:08:32.800 now what do you make of like

01:08:34.760 the I actually I must I should

01:08:37.080 have been paying more

01:08:37.640 attention because I didn't know

01:08:38.840 that Glenn Greenwald has been

01:08:40.400 one of your critics I was like

01:08:42.420 Glenn and Barry love them but

01:08:43.840 he's been he's he's come after

01:08:45.540 you and he's basically like oh

01:08:48.340 she's a cancel culture person when

01:08:49.920 it comes to he doesn't think

01:08:52.180 it's anti-semitism he would say

01:08:53.720 it's it's more people who are

01:08:55.520 more aligned with the

01:08:56.460 Palestinian viewpoint or who are

01:08:58.200 going to question the

01:08:59.780 narratives on Israel forget I

01:09:02.120 mean I don't think he'd defend

01:09:03.080 Louis Farrakhan's confused but

01:09:04.600 what what about that like his

01:09:07.240 charge that you're pushing

01:09:08.520 cancel culture that you have in

01:09:09.980 your past on people who push

01:09:11.980 back on the pro-Israel

01:09:13.380 anti-Palestinian narrative

01:09:15.360 yeah I guess what I would say to

01:09:17.560 that and you know we're living in

01:09:18.920 a really interesting moment where I

01:09:21.660 find myself you know on the same

01:09:23.820 side as someone like Glenn

01:09:25.800 Greenwald on I think one of the

01:09:28.800 most important debates of the

01:09:31.020 moment which is liberty you know

01:09:33.320 which is which is free speech and

01:09:35.680 freedom of the press and the right

01:09:38.140 not to be censored by big tech and

01:09:39.840 so you know we've sort of like had a

01:09:42.880 bunch of private conversations about

01:09:44.480 that realignment so I should say that

01:09:47.380 from the start I think people can you

01:09:51.140 know my record has been poured over

01:09:54.320 not least by Glenn Greenwald and I

01:09:58.360 think what people will see is that

01:10:00.320 you know I I'm not someone that

01:10:02.160 argues that there aren't limits that

01:10:05.340 there aren't things that ought to be

01:10:07.280 taboos you know I think a professor

01:10:09.520 that says to a student as happened at

01:10:11.580 Columbia that you're not a real

01:10:13.320 Semite because you have green eyes or

01:10:16.480 that you know the skeletal vertebrae of

01:10:18.880 Israeli Jews has been I could find the

01:10:22.680 exact quote have been maimed because

01:10:26.140 of their oppression of Palestinians

01:10:27.700 like those are things that are

01:10:29.380 unacceptable and so that's what I was

01:10:32.520 calling out as a student and by the

01:10:34.300 way I wasn't saying fire the

01:10:36.640 professor I was saying like in the

01:10:38.620 same way that we would expect if a

01:10:41.060 college had a professor that was

01:10:42.740 saying I miss the Jim Crow South like

01:10:46.460 that should be cause for outrage and

01:10:49.820 again to me it kind of goes back to

01:10:52.780 the Jews don't count thing you know

01:10:55.280 there ought to be certain taboos I've

01:11:00.160 never someone that's argued for there

01:11:02.040 being none of them and if you look at

01:11:04.560 my record and you look at the kinds of

01:11:06.320 things that I was criticizing I don't

01:11:09.200 think any sane person could look at

01:11:12.080 them and say that they were within the

01:11:15.460 realm of reasonable debate right now

01:11:18.080 Len and I differ passionately on the

01:11:22.820 question of whether anti-Zionism is

01:11:25.720 anti-Semitism and I would simply say to

01:11:29.960 that question that you know to be an

01:11:32.760 anti-Zionist which is you know to not

01:11:34.620 believe in the the right of the Jewish

01:11:38.860 people to have a state like any other

01:11:40.820 state to have that debate you know in

01:11:43.080 1910 Poland where Jews were

01:11:47.380 horrifically oppressed the Holocaust you

01:11:50.260 know had not yet come but there were

01:11:52.000 pogroms constantly and there was a

01:11:53.980 debate inside the Jewish world about how

01:11:57.240 could we solve the Jewish question how

01:11:59.080 could we live freely without being

01:12:01.960 oppressed and there were lots of

01:12:03.240 different answers to that question some

01:12:04.960 people answered assimilation some people

01:12:07.860 answered you know a worldwide workers of

01:12:11.260 the world unite some people answered

01:12:12.760 socialism some people answered Zionism now

01:12:16.280 to have to be an anti-Zionist in that

01:12:19.080 context before the state of Israel came

01:12:21.580 into existence before it became as it is

01:12:24.300 today the place of the largest Jewish

01:12:27.020 community on planet Earth surrounded by

01:12:30.100 hostile neighbors that is one thing that's

01:12:33.620 in a totally different moral universe to

01:12:36.040 argue today against a state that exists and

01:12:40.600 to suggest that it should simply go away

01:12:44.260 and again I would ask people to really

01:12:47.060 drill down into what that means I think

01:12:50.560 that that is anti-Jewish in effect if not

01:12:54.800 an intent and and I think that you know

01:12:57.760 maybe Glenn and I can have a longer

01:12:59.160 conversation about that but that's that's

01:13:01.200 absolutely where I fall on that question

01:13:02.900 that's well explained I feel like it's my

01:13:05.280 brother and my sister arguing I don't like

01:13:07.100 it so I'm glad you're at a place for your

01:13:11.100 talking yeah let's talk about something

01:13:13.580 else you just mentioned which is big tech

01:13:15.100 what it what was the name forgive me for

01:13:16.780 not knowing and I hope you know it off the

01:13:17.920 top of your head no worries if not what is

01:13:19.600 the name of the writer who wrote the

01:13:21.220 beautiful tablet magazine piece about

01:13:23.200 flatness you tweeted it out the what it

01:13:26.180 what is her name her name and I'm so

01:13:28.840 excited to talk about this is Alana Newhouse

01:13:31.400 she's I call her you know there's a few

01:13:33.880 people that I call my sensei's one is

01:13:35.760 Caitlin Flanagan and one is Alana Newhouse

01:13:38.020 she was my boss when I was at tablet she

01:13:40.100 hired me away from the Wall Street Journal

01:13:41.780 and she's been the editor of tablet she

01:13:44.700 rarely writes and so it was a big deal that

01:13:47.080 that she wrote that piece and it was it's

01:13:48.780 called for those who read it everything is

01:13:51.380 broken holy shit was that amazing that that

01:13:55.220 piece it's rare that I'll like print it out

01:13:58.060 sit and read it and then as soon as I read

01:14:00.360 it I gave it to Doug I'm like you have to

01:14:01.720 read this read the whole thing and of

01:14:03.120 course my copy was underlined and

01:14:04.620 highlighted she writes in the piece

01:14:06.300 flatness broke everything and she is

01:14:08.500 essentially she's talking about a lot

01:14:10.000 about some of the stuff we're discussing

01:14:11.680 about big tech and that's kind of where I

01:14:13.860 want to go with this she talks about how

01:14:15.580 the internet tycoons used flatness to

01:14:17.560 hoover up the value from local businesses

01:14:20.140 national retailers the whole newspaper

01:14:22.360 industry and that no one seems to care

01:14:25.540 and you know that there was a heist that

01:14:29.120 there was a heist pulled off without any

01:14:30.820 pushback which she says is tied to what

01:14:33.640 we're talking about that enabled progressive

01:14:35.560 activists she says to pull off a heist of

01:14:37.500 their own that they seized on the fact

01:14:39.740 that the whole world had adapted to a world

01:14:41.620 of practical flatness in order to push

01:14:44.040 their political flatness what they call

01:14:45.540 social justice but which has historically

01:14:47.780 quoting meant the transfer of enormous

01:14:50.160 amounts of power and wealth to a select

01:14:53.580 few so much in there and I want to go

01:14:55.600 over more in this piece too but that

01:14:57.160 they're related this the the behemoth of

01:14:59.640 big tech taking over our lives

01:15:01.320 disconnecting us ironically and enabling

01:15:03.900 this takeover of the social justice

01:15:05.760 warriors to to change the power

01:15:08.240 structure but not in a way that's that

01:15:10.720 leads to quote equality and in fact what

01:15:13.380 they want is power and wealth to a select

01:15:14.920 few I think what's brilliant about this

01:15:19.180 essay and a connection I had never made is

01:15:22.340 the line she draws between the aesthetics

01:15:27.160 of sort of the world that we live in now

01:15:31.320 the world of you know uber and seamless

01:15:33.800 and door dash and airbnb and cop you know

01:15:37.800 a coffee shop that's in the cool part of

01:15:39.920 Amsterdam looks exactly the same as a

01:15:41.700 coffee shop in the cool part of San

01:15:43.080 Francisco that aesthetic of sameness that

01:15:46.140 she connects to a politics of sameness and a

01:15:49.660 purity I think it's I think it's an

01:15:52.640 unbelievable insight that I had never

01:15:54.480 thought of before and it really tracks like

01:15:58.020 when you think about what this movement

01:15:59.800 demands which is conformity which is which

01:16:04.220 suggests that anything less that total than

01:16:06.840 total equality of outcome is is evidence of

01:16:10.520 nefariousness or of systemic oppression or

01:16:13.080 discrimination I think I think she nailed it

01:16:16.460 with that I really do she talks about to I

01:16:20.940 want to read just a couple of expert

01:16:22.120 excerpts but here's the first one talking

01:16:23.840 about the killing of spirit that all of this

01:16:27.540 has led to academic institutions have now

01:16:30.220 been repurposed to instill and enforce the

01:16:32.720 narrow and rigid agenda of one cohort of

01:16:34.820 people forbidding exploration or deviation a

01:16:38.080 regime that has ironically left homeless many if

01:16:40.240 not most of the country's best thinkers and

01:16:42.000 creators anyone actually concerned with solving

01:16:44.920 deep-rooted social and economic problems or God

01:16:47.860 forbid with creating something unique or

01:16:49.840 beautiful a process that is inevitably messy and

01:16:53.680 often involves exploring heresies and making

01:16:55.900 mistakes will hit a wall if they're young and

01:16:59.440 remotely ambitious they'll simply snuff out that

01:17:02.400 part of themselves early on strangling the

01:17:05.280 voice that they know will get them in trouble

01:17:07.560 before they've ever had the chance to really hear

01:17:10.380 it sing she's the most amazing it brings a tear to

01:17:14.760 my eye it it that's what's happening it is it is

01:17:19.520 snuffing out voices before they've ever had the chance

01:17:22.100 to really hear them sing and it's starting in I'm trying

01:17:27.380 to swear less because a lot of my viewers want but I'm

01:17:30.460 sorry it's starting in fucking kindergarten I mix it makes

01:17:34.000 me angry this is the work of our lifetimes like I say that

01:17:41.020 both to to emphasize how serious the work is but also I

01:17:46.160 hope what's coming through and and I hope people understand

01:17:49.840 that my leaving the paper is a sign of of hope in other

01:17:55.560 words I left because I really believe that fighting this is

01:18:01.940 and and building spaces and institutions and new media and

01:18:06.800 new publishing houses new new studios new things like is the

01:18:12.380 work of our lifetime and if we've lived if we've sort of

01:18:16.800 living now at what I think a lot of us now see as a kind of

01:18:20.980 great unraveling which is the phrase that commentary magazine

01:18:25.040 has used a few times that I think is really really apt what lies

01:18:29.080 ahead of us I think is the great building the great rebuilding and

01:18:33.400 I think what's scary for people is to see that a lot of the

01:18:36.340 institutions that we thought of as tankers have really been

01:18:39.680 rotted out and that's really scary and I get people that are

01:18:45.240 scared but I would emphasize like don't let that paralyze

01:18:49.220 you people came here from the old world and built everything

01:18:55.040 anew including the constitution itself if you're telling me that

01:18:59.400 you know we can't build new newspapers and and new universities

01:19:04.960 and new school systems like I would simply say to you you're

01:19:09.960 not dreaming big enough and that's that's what I'm about and

01:19:15.340 you know present company you know myself I would say excluded I do

01:19:20.840 think that that Alana is right that that so many of the most

01:19:25.080 interesting heterodox voices the voices that you know the people

01:19:30.100 with jagged edges and I mean that as a compliment the people that

01:19:33.400 refuse to kind of be smoothed down to to become a widget they're the

01:19:38.940 people that have either been expelled from the legacy institutions or

01:19:43.600 have sort of preemptively self-deported which is how I think of

01:19:47.500 myself because we didn't want to become that and nothing was worth that

01:19:52.800 price yes I love my jagged edges I love the way you put it I love them I

01:19:57.320 don't want them smoothed out no thank you yeah I just I I think like you know

01:20:02.180 that was that's what's so special about um what's possible in this country at

01:20:09.240 its best I mean and I think that's that's the work that lies ahead and I I

01:20:14.340 think it's I think it's really intimidating to a lot of people um but

01:20:18.420 but I think that that that is what it is and seeing it with clarity um and seeing

01:20:24.540 the old world and the way that it's rotted out with clarity is really

01:20:29.220 important I think the moment that we're in in it right now um and I I talk to a

01:20:34.240 lot of people that are sort of living in this liminal space is that they see that

01:20:38.160 the old world the old institutions are hollowed out almost entirely uh they want

01:20:44.620 to step out of the old world but the new world doesn't yet exist it hasn't yet

01:20:49.900 been built and what exists right now and we're talking on you know the pirate

01:20:53.980 radio um what exists right now is kind of like wild west situation there's some

01:20:59.620 newsletters there's some podcasts um there's a lot of private signal groups where

01:21:04.480 people share their actual views but there isn't a whole world where you can

01:21:10.120 live and work and meet your spouse and build a life um there's pockets um there's

01:21:16.480 things that are emerging there's places that are emerging um but I I think that

01:21:21.560 you know that's certainly what what I want to be focused on on being a part of is is

01:21:26.700 building that new that new world I love that and and it's it's a great way of

01:21:31.820 thinking about it because we can we can draw our swords rhetorically speaking

01:21:35.520 and fight fight in the old world fight to preserve what's there already the

01:21:40.420 America that we knew that people are going to have to live in for the

01:21:43.540 foreseeable future push back against some of the nonsense being shoved down our

01:21:47.140 throats while creating this new world while creating something better the place

01:21:52.040 to which we want to go um and that's well I hadn't even really thought about it

01:21:57.180 that way I mean I I think people have been thinking about it in the a little bit

01:22:00.560 more in the wake of Twitter you know canceling Trump and Parler being pulled

01:22:04.380 off the internet like we need whole new lanes of travel um in many different

01:22:09.020 departments but she Alana gets to this too and I this is the last thing I'm going to

01:22:14.540 read from her because it really is beautiful you have to introduce me to this

01:22:17.200 woman I will says right she's amazing uh she writes the vast majority of

01:22:23.380 Americans are not ideologues they are people who wish to live in a free country

01:22:27.440 and get along with their neighbors while engaging in profitable work getting

01:22:30.720 married and other cultural products every time Americans are given the option

01:22:35.680 to ratify progressive dictates through their consumer choices they vote in the

01:22:39.980 opposite direction when HBO removed gone with the wind from its on-demand

01:22:44.200 library last year it became the number one best-selling movie on Amazon

01:22:47.380 meanwhile endless numbers of Hollywood right think movies you know quote right the

01:22:53.160 right not conservative right and supposed literary masterworks about oppression

01:22:57.760 are dismal failures for these studios and publishing houses that would rather

01:23:02.640 sink into debt than face a social justice firing squad on Twitter let me this

01:23:07.960 last part all of this has created a generational opportunity build new things

01:23:13.980 create great art understand and accept that sensory information is the brain's

01:23:19.580 food and that Silicon Valley is systemically starving us of it avoid going

01:23:25.020 entirely tree blind make a friend and don't talk politics with them do things that

01:23:29.520 generate love and attention from three people you actually know instead of

01:23:33.560 hundreds you don't abandon the blighted Ivy League please I beg of you start a

01:23:40.580 publishing house that puts out books that anger surprise and delight people and

01:23:45.240 which make them want to read be brave enough to make film and TV that appeals to actual

01:23:51.300 audiences and not 14 people on Twitter oh don't you love it yes preach it's just on

01:23:59.840 the money I mean there are tens of millions of Americans who feel that the world has gone

01:24:06.700 mad or at least you know the gatekeeping institutional world you know they see that

01:24:12.100 identity trumps ideas they see that science is at the mercy of politics they see that

01:24:16.740 obvious truths are dangerous to say out loud and what is shocking is the amount of money that is being

01:24:25.820 left on the table by condescending or ignoring or or preaching to those people meaning I think Joe

01:24:36.120 Rogan gets an average of like six million viewers an episode and the average nightly viewership of CNN

01:24:42.840 is like maybe less than two million we have to check my numbers but I I remember that from a few

01:24:47.740 months ago right now they're surging because of Biden but they'll go back down right and so isn't

01:24:53.820 that an indicator for people like people are interested in first of all Americans are smart they're

01:25:02.040 interested in deep long sophisticated conversations um about all kinds of things they're hungry for it

01:25:10.960 and they're seeking it out and if the legacy institutions don't want to provide it for people

01:25:15.940 great I want to be opportunity yeah like I I think that there's as Alana says there's there's a huge

01:25:25.080 huge opportunity there well can I tell you like a part of this is that I actually didn't know that

01:25:31.020 about when HBO removed Gone with the Wind uh for the online library it became you know what another

01:25:35.400 example is Megan is Andy Knows book was last I haven't read his book but his book was number one

01:25:44.340 on all of Amazon he's an expert on and Antifa and has been writing a lot about it and not surprisingly

01:25:51.980 that group hates him and tried to get his book banned and and it had the opposite effect right but you

01:25:57.400 know that book will never be reviewed by the New York Times um Abigail Schreier's book I know you

01:26:03.620 she's a friend I know you had her on the podcast recently another excellent example of this um people

01:26:10.260 are seeking it out I think one of the things though like if we're living right now in the initial stage

01:26:16.620 of sort of the challenger to the mainstream uh which is little independent um influence influential

01:26:25.400 people um like you or you know there's like Glenn like Matt Taibbi um it's wonderful it's a great

01:26:33.420 first step but if we really look at what changes the culture it's institutions and bringing to get

01:26:42.420 you know I think it's unreasonable to ask you know the dentist in Cleveland or the accountant in Pittsburgh

01:26:48.260 to spend 150 subscribing to 15 newsletters and podcasts we need to find a way um to consolidate

01:26:56.580 the people that that are trustworthy that are of no party or click well look at Fox News look at Roger

01:27:04.040 Ailes idea you know that people scoffed at him he at Fox News on the walls they used to have the

01:27:08.800 articles framed of you know all the predictions of doom for the channel when he launched it and whatever

01:27:14.760 you think of Fox News it's a behemoth I mean that they net a couple billion dollars a year in profit

01:27:22.100 all right they net that so they he saw a niche that wasn't being served and he exploited it to the to the

01:27:28.580 great benefit of the Murdochs and I do think overall the country and so I you know people have their

01:27:33.500 criticisms and I get that and I I have my own but overall Fox News I think has been an enormously good

01:27:39.260 force because half the country felt totally unrepresented at least they have Fox but now

01:27:44.160 the battle's moving to a new front it it doesn't have to be harshly partisan one way or the other

01:27:49.120 and it's really not even about partisanship this is something that's going to unite people on both

01:27:53.260 sides of the political aisle platforms places to go and get information places to be educated

01:27:59.020 to find open-minded people all of the things we discussed in your article and then that you wrote

01:28:04.140 about about liberalism that you know sort of small l liberalism that was always characteristic of

01:28:10.400 America and it's going to take money but we have a lot of people on our side I mean I know you do too

01:28:15.400 like you get contacted by people with a bunch of money who want to help fund some group to fight back

01:28:20.440 me too and so like that's where it begins I agree I think one of the things that is that I've been

01:28:27.260 thinking pretty deeply about is that it feels to me right now in the country like there are two very

01:28:33.120 very powerful magnets and one magnet is sort of the populist right and if you build something let's

01:28:39.740 say in the in the space of center right to to anything to the right of that it gets pulled by

01:28:45.700 that magnet likewise on the left it feels like the magnet of whatever we want to call it let's call it

01:28:51.460 wokeness or I you know exclusionary identity politics is so powerful that anything that gets built in the

01:28:58.360 center left or the liberal space gets pulled by that and so I think the question that stands before

01:29:04.940 anyone that wants to be making new things and building new institutions is is it possible to

01:29:11.180 build something that is anchored by something that is different and it doesn't get yanked to one of

01:29:19.420 those extremes I think the person or the group of people that can figure that out will build something

01:29:25.580 hugely successful and will draw you know tens of millions of Americans that are that are thirsty

01:29:34.000 for for for for the truth right and that adhere to the original American ideals you know I mean

01:29:40.900 they believe what this country was founded on and as Glenn Beck was pointing out recently down our show

01:29:46.420 the goal was never to have a perfect union it was a more perfect more perfect we can get there and we

01:29:52.140 don't have to change all of our ideals and our history to do it we can actually just embrace them

01:29:55.840 and double and triple down um and just a quick word because one of the one of the dangers in going

01:30:02.040 this route right pushing back against all this stuff is you get called names right you a racist a sexist

01:30:07.360 or whatever is we pointed out earlier you you defended for example Aziz Ansari who'd been accused of

01:30:13.280 having like a very bizarre exchange with a woman she claimed it was a me too situation and you took a risk and

01:30:18.820 defended him um okay so you're you're against me too you're against women you're it takes you have to

01:30:24.640 take risks to go out there and push back where you think it's appropriate and just hearing that thing

01:30:28.940 about gone with the wind I I tweeted out against that decision as soon as it happened so this is

01:30:34.240 absurd um you know Americans for generations have been able to understand that slavery is terrible

01:30:39.980 notwithstanding the way it's portrayed and gone with the wind and by the way if we're going to go clean

01:30:43.840 all of our records to get rid of bad behavior let's try sexism how's that going to go HBO go back

01:30:49.060 and take a look scrub every movie or do a warning in front of every movie that has women portrayed in

01:30:55.060 a sexist way good luck we'll wait but but it's it's a reminder because when I tweeted that out

01:31:01.220 Sonny Hostin of The View attacked me as racist sort of like the cabal of people she tweets with like

01:31:06.620 what is racist about saying it's absurd to pull this movie right then when I tweeted out that there were

01:31:12.480 reports Jacob Blake was in fact armed in um Kenosha Wisconsin uh Soledad O'Brien attacked me as racist

01:31:18.980 and when I said at NBC that doing blackface wasn't always as controversial as it is now

01:31:23.940 people said that's racist and then we saw Justin Trudeau and we saw all these celebrities and we

01:31:28.340 saw the full shows on NBC had been airing blackface characters as recently as a couple of years prior to

01:31:32.800 my statement okay so the point is you you may have to take some rhetorical risks you may have to just

01:31:38.340 you know call it like it is and brace for impact but you're not alone and the people trying to shame

01:31:44.600 you after out of saying what you know is true what you know is true not unnecessarily cruel comments

01:31:51.120 meant intentionally to invite to divide but what you know is true in fact reality based you gotta stand

01:31:58.880 strong and know you're not alone yeah well put I completely utterly agree utterly agree and um I

01:32:08.360 just I mean it sounds cheesy maybe but like people need to come out with common sense and not like

01:32:16.060 you'll live one life you know like this is it so like do you want to be someone that you know only

01:32:23.560 shares your actual views in a secret signal chat or you know at dinner with your spouse or even some

01:32:31.780 you know I had a woman call me the other day who was like called me crying because her children are

01:32:37.520 in a school like yours or yours were that was indoctrinating them and she was alarmed and she

01:32:43.000 felt like she couldn't even talk about it with her own husband like it's enough already it's enough

01:32:48.140 yep um and especially for those of us who are paid um to take risks and say unpopular things

01:32:58.080 um when we believe them to be true like that's our job now we have to end it on a personal note

01:33:05.180 because speaking of coming out you're getting married you uh you told me this privately and then

01:33:10.680 you outed your your pending nuptials in your very first substack column which is where people can find

01:33:16.280 you right now which is amazing I mean like you wouldn't believe the number of people who sent

01:33:21.040 me your opening substack column because they they they didn't know I loved you they didn't know they

01:33:24.960 just knew that I'd love what you what you had written and they were right um but you're getting

01:33:29.980 married so what's the story and by the way to a New York Times reporter oh I love it I mean I I will

01:33:36.220 always be grateful um to the fifth floor uh coffee room of the New York Times where I met

01:33:42.720 Lily Bowles and you know you and you know pretty much everyone I've ever met that I liked is going

01:33:50.380 to be invited to the wedding because I cannot wait for this lockdown to end and have a we like parties

01:33:55.760 have a giant party so um she's great she's been just an incredible um anchor for me and you know we

01:34:04.500 before before the pandemic um we were long distance for a while she's a mostly writes about tech although

01:34:11.540 increasingly a larger range of topics and she was based in San Francisco I was in New York we were

01:34:16.720 constantly flying back and forth then I was on book tour and I was on I lived out of a suitcase the

01:34:21.620 past few years um and you know if there's a silver lining to the pandemic and the lockdowns it's been

01:34:27.520 you know really um starting a home life and insanely we got a second dog so things things things are are

01:34:36.240 I'm very very very lucky on that front and um I would say also like for anyone in public life

01:34:42.800 I think having a supportive family and a supportive partner um is is essential to be able to take risks

01:34:53.100 in the arena I'm sure that you you find that too Megan oh 100% back to Alana's piece do things that

01:35:00.420 generate love and attention from the three people you actually know you know that's and and your

01:35:04.300 sub stack piece you were you were calling attention to the same thing like the the people who matter in

01:35:08.860 your life are generally within 25 feet of you right like it's not the people on Twitter um although it

01:35:14.040 is the people who listen to the show they do matter to me I think they're part of our team but when you

01:35:18.760 can find a true love relationship that is honest and challenging and with somebody ideally who's smart

01:35:24.280 and challenges you intellectually boom that's the nirvana that's as close as you're gonna get

01:35:29.320 I agree I would I agree and and I would say that I mean I wrote this in my book um when I was sort of

01:35:36.540 advising people about how to stand up to anti-semitism but I didn't really appreciate it until I had to use

01:35:42.700 the advice and that advice was you know finding the voice of a few people that you trust um and that will

01:35:51.680 you know call out your bullshit but also praise you when you do something right that those voices really

01:35:57.340 can drown out the whole mob and that has been so true in my life um especially as the outside world

01:36:05.540 and the online world's gotten so so so noisy you know getting a call from you know someone like you

01:36:12.000 know the late uh chief rabbi of England Jonathan Sachs or a call from you know the former Soviet dissident

01:36:18.120 one of my personal heroes one of the great men of the 20th century Natan Sharansky telling me that

01:36:23.900 they admired what I did and I was doing the right thing like when people ask me how do you deal with

01:36:28.780 all the people that are cruel to you that's the answer that and Nellie and my family and um having

01:36:36.700 those kind of north star people or like lighthouse people in your life um and this is often advice

01:36:43.320 that I give to young people who want to um get into the arena um that is that is really essential

01:36:50.320 um for maintaining sanity for for staying grounded and for for knowing that you're um knowing that

01:37:00.480 you're really pursuing um your mission yeah what matters now am I allowed to ask you a quick question

01:37:08.060 about Kate McKinnon because I actually didn't know that you and she had dated you can ask me it was she

01:37:13.420 like because obviously politically you're not exactly on the same page you might have been then

01:37:18.820 but I don't know was that was it a political challenge or were you on the same page politically

01:37:26.720 when you were with her you know she's a super private person as you can see from from you know

01:37:31.720 she she sort of speaks to the world through her characters and there's there's no one better I would

01:37:36.820 say in the world at doing that so I would you know I don't want to betray her privacy in that way

01:37:43.100 but I'll just say that um I think she's revitalized SNL and and I remain a fan and she remains a friend

01:37:50.560 ah well handled I'll I'll take it uh I interviewed her when I was at NBC and found her really charming

01:37:57.320 and uh hilarious of course needless to say very talented her Hillary Clinton impressions were

01:38:02.580 amazing amazing all right so on we go Substack that's where people can find you they they have to

01:38:08.760 subscribe right you go to Substack.com search for Barry Weiss is that yeah so if you go to

01:38:14.600 Barry Weiss.substack.com um you hit subscribe and for now you get everything that I write for free

01:38:22.340 my goal now is just to um build up an audience and for right now I think this is a this was an

01:38:28.040 important shingle for me to hang up and it's a good um it's a good position um but I don't think I'm

01:38:35.560 you know it's kind of going along with everything we've said in this conversation I'm interested in

01:38:39.800 in seeing what can be built in a bigger way beyond beyond one-off newsletters and beyond podcasts even

01:38:46.860 though so far this is this is going really great for me so yes I would love if people um would

01:38:51.860 subscribe I should have a post coming out um either today or tomorrow you gotta subscribe we we need to

01:38:58.620 we need to help people and and when you have to pay please pay it won't be something exorbitant I'm

01:39:04.000 sure Substack usually is not um but we have to support people who are trying to create this new

01:39:08.700 lane this these are the seeds these are the seeds being planted for what we hope will be a verdant

01:39:13.940 garden there you go that's my attempt at wordsmithing it's not exactly chewing rubies in the mouth like

01:39:19.840 what you write Barry but um thank god we have you and the Alanas of the world to help us through

01:39:25.640 so so fun talking to you so much luck and love thanks for being here total pleasure Megan I love

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01:39:56.380 whole life um but no seriously I have really been looking forward to this interview Douglas Murray will

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01:40:08.320 he might be the most brilliant person alive at this moment when he talks you just want to sit back and

01:40:13.640 listen and let him talk more and more and which is exactly what I did not only can he diagnose the

01:40:18.380 problems in our society right now but he has real solutions he's the first person I've spoken to in

01:40:24.000 a long time who has very practical solutions language and ways forward for those of us who

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 22, 2021

Bari Weiss on the State of the Media, Cancel Culture, and Anti-Semitism ｜ Ep. 54

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