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00:00:41.980 Hey everybody, it's me, Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:03:06.120 And now, Ben Shapiro.

00:03:09.860 Ben Shapiro, so good to have you here.

00:03:12.920 Thanks for having me.

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00:03:16.640 The reason I am doing this.

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00:03:27.320 and about this way of communicating with people.

00:03:30.240 And you and your partner, Jeremy Boring, have been so helpful to me over this whole journey.

00:03:35.040 So I'm very grateful to you.

00:03:37.600 Well, we're super excited to see you jump into the space.

00:03:40.280 I mean, it's long overdue.

00:03:41.920 Oh, well, it's good to be getting back out there.

00:03:44.160 So Trump is behind in the polls right now.

00:03:47.320 At least, you know, that's how it looks.

00:03:49.120 We always have to think about the secret of the shy Trump voter.

00:03:52.100 But it's very hard to convince the electorate to fire the guy that's in there.

00:03:55.920 Don't you think?

00:03:56.400 I mean, the thing Trump has going for him,

00:03:59.200 even he's got time to make up that difference, as we saw him do with Hillary.

00:04:03.120 But it's hard.

00:04:03.860 It's harder to convince the public to fire the sitting president

00:04:06.620 than it is to, you know, just put in the R or the D in an open election year.

00:04:11.800 I mean, I think that's right.

00:04:12.560 There is an advantage to incumbency, obviously.

00:04:15.340 But the problem for Trump, and this has been true,

00:04:18.640 and I've been saying this really since the day he was elected,

00:04:20.860 is that between 2000 and 2004,

00:04:22.420 George W. Bush had to pick up an additional, what, 8, 10 million votes

00:04:25.960 in order to win against John Kerry.

00:04:27.840 And so the question is, what additional votes has Trump picked up

00:04:30.360 in an electorate that is very activated?

00:04:32.500 I mean, there's going to be heavy turnout this year, some in person, a lot in mail-ins.

00:04:37.320 What has he done to pick up an enormous number of voters?

00:04:39.920 I mean, through population growth, there will be some additional Trump voters.

00:04:42.680 But has he picked up enough votes in order to overcome the fact

00:04:45.660 that he lost the popular vote by 2.5 million last time?

00:04:48.580 But wait, what is it?

00:04:50.300 Why isn't the answer, it's not what he's done,

00:04:52.780 even though he has a Republican record that's strong to run on

00:04:55.860 if he wants to point to his policies.

00:04:57.580 But isn't the answer, look what's happened this summer?

00:05:00.200 You know, the law and order, the recklessness, the riots.

00:05:03.120 You know, he's sort of, all he does is tweet out,

00:05:04.780 law and order, law and order.

00:05:06.020 But that's kind of effective.

00:05:07.480 If that's the message you want to stick in people's heads,

00:05:09.320 I always say Trump is this, he's a messaging genius.

00:05:11.680 He just says something over and over.

00:05:12.980 He is really good at it.

00:05:13.560 It sticks in your head.

00:05:14.760 It's like, it was a perfect phone call.

00:05:16.260 It was a perfect phone call.

00:05:17.460 And then next thing you know, you're at a dinner party

00:05:19.100 and you're like, it was a perfect phone call.

00:05:21.000 It was, right?

00:05:22.040 And I do think like staying on message,

00:05:24.680 law and order, law and order is somewhat effective.

00:05:27.680 And if that, if you're looking at the picture

00:05:29.480 of these riots versus law and order,

00:05:31.440 I think that's his best way of picking up these additional votes.

00:05:35.360 I mean, I totally agree with that.

00:05:36.680 And I think it's why it's important that he not be distracted

00:05:38.600 with whatever, you know, nonsense he's retweeting.

00:05:41.440 I mean, his Twitter could be a real weapon for him

00:05:44.020 if he used it in concerted fashion.

00:05:45.420 I mean, this has been the great lament of Republicans

00:05:46.900 really since 2015, 2016,

00:05:49.860 was this is a guy with an unparalleled ability to draw cameras.

00:05:53.380 He has an unparalleled ability to focus everybody's attention,

00:05:57.540 focus the media cat on the laser pointer on the wall.

00:06:00.240 So where does he choose to focus the laser pointer, right?

00:06:02.760 Be focused in where he choose to focus the laser pointer.

00:06:04.900 I agree with you.

00:06:05.600 If he had just said law and order, law and order

00:06:07.240 for the past several weeks, honestly, I'm very surprised

00:06:10.020 that the Trump campaign has not gone harder on this issue.

00:06:12.820 I mean, I understand he's been tweeting a lot

00:06:14.260 and I understand he visited Kenosha,

00:06:15.900 but there's a very obvious angle of attack here

00:06:17.980 that he and the campaign have not taken

00:06:19.660 that I'm shocked I haven't taken.

00:06:20.900 So to take an example of what is the most obvious

00:06:22.940 campaign narrative I've ever seen that is being ignored,

00:06:25.460 the Biden campaign deployed Joe Biden

00:06:28.080 and Kamala Harris to Kenosha.

00:06:30.140 Both of them visited with Jacob Blake's family

00:06:31.920 and Kamala Harris suggested she was proud of Jacob Blake.

00:06:34.660 Jacob Blake is an alleged rapist.

00:06:36.200 Jacob Blake was only put under arrest

00:06:39.900 because a woman who had previously alleged

00:06:42.380 that he digitally raped her with her child in the room

00:06:44.380 called the cops and said, he's here again.

00:06:46.480 The cops showed up, he resisted arrest.

00:06:48.240 He walked around to the other side of the car.

00:06:49.700 He reached inside the car, apparently for a knife

00:06:52.060 because there was a knife on the floorboards

00:06:53.280 of the driver's side before he was shot.

00:06:55.560 And the Democrats decided they were gonna rip the police

00:06:57.780 as systemically racist, call for the police to be charged

00:06:59.980 and then call up the guy who was the alleged rapist

00:07:02.080 and talk about how proud they were of him.

00:07:03.760 Like if that's not a campaign ad,

00:07:04.800 I've never heard of a campaign ad,

00:07:05.940 especially if you're seeking to get out suburban women

00:07:07.940 and rural white voters.

00:07:09.760 Like that's not a racial thing.

00:07:11.300 That's just a perfectly obvious,

00:07:12.740 you can side with the criminals

00:07:13.580 or you can side with the cops thing.

00:07:15.060 And Democrats have decided to side with an actual criminal.

00:07:17.640 How have they not cut a campaign ad on this?

00:07:19.900 That news that she was saying,

00:07:21.740 Kamala Harris was saying that she's proud of Jacob Blake.

00:07:24.940 I don't care what you think about what the police did.

00:07:26.540 That will be figured out in great detail.

00:07:29.240 And by the way, he may have had a knife on him

00:07:31.240 because the eyewitnesses are saying

00:07:32.300 they heard the cops yelling, drop the knife,

00:07:34.320 drop the knife.

00:07:35.340 And then we know that they found the knife

00:07:36.820 on the driver's floor of the car.

00:07:39.460 So we'll figure out what the sequencing was exactly.

00:07:41.900 But at least according to a couple of eyewitnesses

00:07:43.820 and according to the cops as well,

00:07:45.340 he had the knife on him

00:07:46.740 prior to going over to that car door.

00:07:50.240 But for her to come out,

00:07:52.280 knowing what this guy's accused of,

00:07:53.780 he humiliated,

00:07:54.620 not only did he digitally rape this woman

00:07:56.400 who was his ex-wife,

00:07:59.160 but he humiliated her in that room.

00:08:03.020 And people,

00:08:03.860 you know,

00:08:04.480 they'd say,

00:08:04.940 oh my God,

00:08:05.340 he was shot in front of his children.

00:08:06.880 You know why that happened?

00:08:07.840 Because he behaved that way

00:08:10.120 toward their mother

00:08:11.020 with her in the bed

00:08:12.060 and then he had them in the car

00:08:13.480 when he chose to resist an arrest,

00:08:15.600 to get into a scruff with police,

00:08:17.720 to resist the taser,

00:08:18.900 to get the cops in a headlock.

00:08:20.760 I mean,

00:08:21.060 you kind of assume the risk

00:08:22.640 that something's going to go south

00:08:23.820 really fast in front of your kids

00:08:25.380 when you behave that way

00:08:26.360 with a police officer.

00:08:28.040 I mean,

00:08:28.260 and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

00:08:29.300 both called for charges

00:08:30.260 to be brought against the officer.

00:08:31.920 They said that they don't know

00:08:32.860 that they're guilty,

00:08:33.440 but there should be charges

00:08:34.140 brought against the officer,

00:08:34.920 both of them.

00:08:35.680 Like,

00:08:35.820 how is that not a campaign ad?

00:08:37.500 That is just blatant pandering.

00:08:39.460 Remember back in the days of Obama

00:08:41.160 when if he made one small comment,

00:08:43.280 like he made a comment

00:08:44.020 about the Trayvon Martin case

00:08:45.280 and said,

00:08:45.660 you know,

00:08:45.840 if I had a son,

00:08:46.440 he'd look like Trayvon.

00:08:47.440 And everybody on the right freaked out.

00:08:49.660 Like,

00:08:49.800 what is he weighing in for?

00:08:50.880 This has got to play on the courts.

00:08:52.120 Like,

00:08:52.260 shut up.

00:08:53.160 Let it,

00:08:53.500 you know,

00:08:53.660 a president shouldn't be weighing in.

00:08:55.480 Now it's a free for all.

00:08:57.100 Now it's gone to the point of like

00:08:58.180 arrests now.

00:08:59.800 And we're proud of this guy

00:09:01.340 and condemn.

00:09:02.260 Like,

00:09:02.920 this is so far beyond the pale

00:09:04.360 and they know it,

00:09:05.280 especially Kamala.

00:09:06.180 She knows it.

00:09:06.820 She's a lawyer,

00:09:07.360 but they do it anyway

00:09:08.580 because they want to gin up votes.

00:09:10.440 Absolutely.

00:09:11.020 I mean,

00:09:11.160 by the way,

00:09:11.780 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris,

00:09:13.280 you wonder how little facts matter

00:09:14.840 to these folks.

00:09:15.600 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

00:09:16.520 have both tweeted out

00:09:17.500 in honor of Michael Brown.

00:09:18.860 Kamala Harris has openly suggested

00:09:20.900 that Michael Brown

00:09:21.560 was an innocent man

00:09:22.280 who was murdered by the police.

00:09:23.120 I mean,

00:09:23.320 I believe she used the word murder

00:09:24.400 as did Elizabeth Warren.

00:09:25.240 She did.

00:09:25.940 I mean,

00:09:26.240 the fact is that the,

00:09:28.040 there were two separate DA's investigations.

00:09:29.620 Both of them said that the shoot

00:09:31.100 was a good shoot.

00:09:32.080 The,

00:09:32.280 the Obama DOJ investigated

00:09:33.660 and found the shoot was a good shoot.

00:09:34.860 So the,

00:09:35.740 the facts are just completely disconnected

00:09:37.000 from the narrative.

00:09:37.720 This is a rich vein

00:09:38.720 for,

00:09:38.980 for Trump to mine politically.

00:09:40.340 And the fact that he doesn't have

00:09:41.740 enough focus to actually mine it

00:09:43.000 in any sort of detail,

00:09:43.940 like force,

00:09:44.980 force Biden to answer that question,

00:09:46.660 force him to answer

00:09:47.240 why he is calling for police officers

00:09:48.860 who are called to the sight

00:09:50.840 of a,

00:09:51.600 of a man violating

00:09:52.400 a restraining order

00:09:53.460 after,

00:09:54.340 you know,

00:09:54.560 for being at the house

00:09:55.340 of a woman he allegedly raped.

00:09:56.940 Why are they siding

00:09:57.620 with that person

00:09:58.520 and telling and saying

00:09:59.360 the cops should be charged

00:10:00.740 and that,

00:10:01.120 and that cops all over

00:10:02.280 this country

00:10:03.120 are the,

00:10:03.760 are the problem.

00:10:04.500 They,

00:10:04.660 they are not the problem.

00:10:05.340 They are very often the solution.

00:10:06.900 I know Biden's been trying

00:10:07.560 to walk this middle line,

00:10:08.600 but it's amazing to me

00:10:09.300 that the,

00:10:09.620 the Trump campaign

00:10:10.260 has enforced him

00:10:11.080 not to,

00:10:11.760 but again,

00:10:11.900 it's,

00:10:12.080 it's such a disorganized

00:10:13.260 news cycle,

00:10:13.960 right?

00:10:14.160 And the Trump campaign

00:10:15.040 is,

00:10:15.860 is I think all over the place

00:10:18.020 in a lot of ways.

00:10:18.940 I feel the same way

00:10:19.800 about COVID,

00:10:20.320 right?

00:10:20.460 I mean,

00:10:20.660 I've been saying

00:10:21.900 for a long time

00:10:22.740 that it is political malpractice

00:10:24.140 for the Trump campaign

00:10:25.140 not to have an ad out

00:10:26.160 since like April

00:10:27.100 showing just various clips

00:10:29.160 they did at the RNC finally

00:10:30.180 showing various clips

00:10:31.180 of Andrew Cuomo

00:10:32.240 and Gavin Newsom

00:10:33.400 and Jay Inslee

00:10:34.800 talking about how Trump

00:10:36.340 had given them everything

00:10:37.000 they needed

00:10:37.400 in terms of resources

00:10:38.220 because those clips exist.

00:10:39.500 They did say

00:10:40.020 all of those things publicly.

00:10:41.420 How has that not been

00:10:42.260 the theme of the Trump campaign?

00:10:43.780 But again,

00:10:44.340 it's been so kind of

00:10:45.960 weirdly disparate.

00:10:48.180 It's just all over the place.

00:10:49.940 In my view,

00:10:50.460 this is where he's most vulnerable.

00:10:51.860 Trump is most vulnerable

00:10:53.000 on COVID

00:10:53.900 because he doesn't

00:10:55.680 really have a handle

00:10:56.760 on the facts.

00:10:57.320 When you hear him talk about it,

00:10:58.440 he says different things

00:10:59.360 every time,

00:11:00.320 you know,

00:11:00.540 he'll pull out a piece of paper.

00:11:02.220 Everyone's looking at it like,

00:11:03.300 what?

00:11:03.580 Where does it show that?

00:11:04.460 Huh?

00:11:04.700 What?

00:11:05.460 And he doesn't have that thing

00:11:07.620 where he can,

00:11:08.520 he can explain

00:11:09.160 really dense information

00:11:10.540 in a simple way.

00:11:12.220 Even though he's a great messenger,

00:11:13.780 if it's really dense,

00:11:15.100 he seems to struggle.

00:11:16.240 I mean,

00:11:16.380 I totally agree,

00:11:17.160 especially because

00:11:17.760 the mixed messaging

00:11:18.580 from Trump himself

00:11:19.540 has been so obvious.

00:11:21.360 He said that he was playing it up

00:11:22.960 and then he said

00:11:23.420 he was playing it down.

00:11:24.620 He suggested that

00:11:25.460 he is in favor of masks,

00:11:26.400 but he's also suggested

00:11:27.280 the masks are not

00:11:27.800 particularly effective.

00:11:28.960 He's been holding

00:11:29.640 in-person rallies

00:11:30.560 with no masks

00:11:31.520 at the same time

00:11:32.160 ripping Joe Biden

00:11:32.820 for having done so

00:11:33.680 in early March.

00:11:34.460 And so,

00:11:35.280 you know,

00:11:35.780 the good news

00:11:36.260 about being on all sides

00:11:37.020 of all issues

00:11:37.500 is that somebody

00:11:38.060 can find something to like.

00:11:39.320 The bad news

00:11:39.760 is that there's a lot

00:11:40.620 to dislike right there.

00:11:42.180 I thought there was

00:11:42.900 a lot of strategic error,

00:11:43.900 not just,

00:11:44.420 listen,

00:11:44.620 in the early days

00:11:45.220 there's a lot of confusion

00:11:45.960 because literally nobody

00:11:46.700 knows what's going on.

00:11:48.180 And so if you look

00:11:48.780 at the actual activity

00:11:49.620 by the Trump administration

00:11:50.840 in the early days,

00:11:52.080 I don't see where Democrats

00:11:53.440 would have done materially better.

00:11:54.940 Where they would have done better

00:11:55.760 presumably is on having

00:11:56.980 some sort of solid,

00:11:57.840 cohesive message.

00:11:58.860 And also,

00:11:59.460 I think that the Trump campaign,

00:12:01.200 when it came to COVID

00:12:01.880 and the Trump White House,

00:12:03.220 made a serious strategic blunder

00:12:04.820 when there was a perfect moment

00:12:07.040 for Trump to seize

00:12:08.000 control of the narrative.

00:12:08.740 And that was

00:12:09.220 when these racial protests began.

00:12:10.860 And suddenly,

00:12:11.280 the entire Democratic Party

00:12:12.360 and the quote-unquote

00:12:13.240 scientific establishment

00:12:14.220 swiveled on a dime

00:12:15.460 and started saying

00:12:16.280 that giant in-person gatherings

00:12:17.920 with people screaming

00:12:19.000 and yelling

00:12:19.520 in each other's faces,

00:12:20.640 these were not only good,

00:12:21.760 they were necessary

00:12:22.380 because racism

00:12:23.300 is a health issue.

00:12:24.920 You should have immediately said,

00:12:26.380 okay, well, you know what?

00:12:27.360 You guys obviously

00:12:27.960 aren't taking COVID seriously,

00:12:29.040 so whatever happens next,

00:12:29.920 that's on you.

00:12:30.700 I've said

00:12:31.280 that I think

00:12:31.880 that these giant public gatherings

00:12:32.980 are a bad idea.

00:12:33.780 Instead, he's like,

00:12:34.500 okay, but then I can do

00:12:35.520 giant public gatherings

00:12:36.320 and I like,

00:12:37.120 you just gave away

00:12:38.840 whatever the talking point is.

00:12:40.280 If you can't beat them.

00:12:41.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:42.200 Forget about the actual

00:12:42.940 policy of COVID,

00:12:44.560 which I'm very anti-lockdown.

00:12:45.840 I think Trump could have

00:12:46.420 even taken that tack.

00:12:47.360 He could have said

00:12:47.780 very early on,

00:12:48.460 and he did,

00:12:49.200 that he was anti-lockdown.

00:12:50.440 But then,

00:12:51.120 as soon as Brian Kemp

00:12:51.880 started to relieve lockdown

00:12:52.840 in Georgia,

00:12:53.280 he was like,

00:12:53.680 yeah, but I don't agree

00:12:54.200 with what Brian Kemp is doing.

00:12:55.320 So it's so all over the place

00:12:57.420 in a time

00:12:57.800 when the one thing people want

00:12:59.180 is some semblance of leadership,

00:13:01.280 Ron DeSantis taking leadership

00:13:02.340 in Florida,

00:13:02.860 or whether it is Andrew Cuomo

00:13:03.980 taking leadership in New York

00:13:05.060 with completely different strategies.

00:13:06.720 People just want a sense

00:13:07.720 that people know

00:13:08.200 what they're doing,

00:13:08.840 and this is an area

00:13:09.820 of true vulnerability

00:13:10.540 for them, for sure.

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00:14:50.540 back to Ben Shapiro.

00:14:53.540 So what do you think

00:15:01.520 Trump does

00:15:02.660 in general

00:15:03.300 from this point forward

00:15:04.680 about these cultural issues

00:15:06.040 that are being

00:15:06.820 played out

00:15:07.800 in the media

00:15:08.460 and in the country

00:15:09.460 right?

00:15:09.840 I mean

00:15:10.020 I know you've said

00:15:11.140 that you think

00:15:11.980 the Republicans in general

00:15:13.200 have been fighting

00:15:13.820 the wrong battles

00:15:14.500 that they're fighting

00:15:15.360 these electoral battles

00:15:16.220 and they do okay

00:15:16.860 with electing Republicans

00:15:18.340 but they haven't been

00:15:19.720 fighting cultural battles

00:15:20.840 and you know

00:15:21.700 the chickens

00:15:22.240 are coming home

00:15:22.820 to roost on that

00:15:23.500 right now

00:15:23.880 as we see

00:15:24.440 those explode

00:15:26.020 you know

00:15:26.760 now weeks

00:15:27.380 before the presidential contest.

00:15:28.660 So I think that

00:15:30.940 Trump's forte

00:15:32.140 is the cultural battles

00:15:33.500 and so

00:15:34.120 I think that he'll

00:15:35.460 continue to focus in on them

00:15:36.680 the question is

00:15:37.960 whether

00:15:38.400 again

00:15:39.220 he can provide

00:15:39.880 some sense of solidity

00:15:41.100 I think before COVID hit

00:15:42.700 there was a sense

00:15:43.400 that all of Trump's

00:15:44.080 cultural battle stuff

00:15:44.760 really riled up the base

00:15:45.660 and everybody else was

00:15:46.800 you know

00:15:47.560 bothered by it

00:15:48.640 kind of

00:15:49.180 but not bothered enough

00:15:50.080 they were going to go

00:15:50.500 vote against this economy

00:15:51.400 with the economy

00:15:52.380 in the doldrums

00:15:53.460 and with the recovery

00:15:54.220 kind of

00:15:54.780 a little bit wavering

00:15:56.140 I think that

00:15:57.600 him stirring up

00:15:59.060 cultural battles

00:15:59.660 may not actually be

00:16:00.600 the proper strategy here

00:16:01.980 remember in 2016

00:16:03.560 I've heard

00:16:04.620 Chris Steyerwalt

00:16:05.500 has said this

00:16:05.900 from Fox

00:16:06.560 and I think he's right

00:16:07.240 his suggestion is

00:16:08.520 that one of the best things

00:16:09.580 that happened to Trump

00:16:10.240 in 2016

00:16:10.800 was the Access Hollywood tape

00:16:12.120 specifically because

00:16:12.880 it happened so close

00:16:13.660 to the election

00:16:14.220 that everybody

00:16:15.400 number one

00:16:15.920 on the Democratic side

00:16:16.620 assumed he had now lost

00:16:17.440 and so they said

00:16:18.500 okay why am I going to bother

00:16:19.360 to show up to vote

00:16:20.120 and two

00:16:20.760 it drove Trump underground

00:16:21.820 for the final three weeks

00:16:22.780 of the election

00:16:23.280 so when the Comey letter dropped

00:16:24.800 the only thing in the news

00:16:26.020 was Hillary Clinton

00:16:26.640 and the more Trump

00:16:28.460 fights the cultural battles

00:16:29.520 the more it seems like

00:16:30.940 yes he drives his base

00:16:32.020 but his base loves him

00:16:33.200 and is going to vote

00:16:33.660 for him anyway

00:16:34.180 so I'm not sure

00:16:35.700 how much that helps him

00:16:36.460 another case in point

00:16:38.000 being 2018

00:16:38.700 in 2018

00:16:39.700 he was off the front pages

00:16:41.740 for a while

00:16:42.320 because it was all Kavanaugh

00:16:43.080 all the time

00:16:43.680 and in that time

00:16:44.560 the generic ballot

00:16:45.180 closed up

00:16:45.680 tight as a tick

00:16:46.680 I mean it was very

00:16:47.440 very very tight

00:16:48.280 and then Trump was like

00:16:49.520 you know what

00:16:49.800 I'm going to talk about

00:16:50.380 the border

00:16:50.780 and the invasion

00:16:51.600 coming through

00:16:52.760 these giant marches

00:16:53.620 through Mexico

00:16:54.060 and then there was

00:16:55.460 a blowout

00:16:55.900 so in other words

00:16:56.660 Trump actually needs

00:16:58.340 to pursue the Biden strategy

00:16:59.460 which is go to the

00:17:00.160 White House basement

00:17:00.720 watch Shark Week

00:17:01.480 for a while

00:17:01.860 and let Biden

00:17:02.640 be the center of his attention

00:17:03.540 I think he's going to be

00:17:04.800 watching Fox News

00:17:05.640 if history is any guide

00:17:07.240 that was fantastic

00:17:09.320 the other day

00:17:09.740 when he's like

00:17:10.060 well I watched

00:17:10.620 you know

00:17:10.920 I watched Laura

00:17:11.940 and I watched Tucker

00:17:12.820 and I watched Sean

00:17:13.640 and I watched Lou Dobbs

00:17:15.020 and I watched

00:17:15.460 it was like

00:17:15.960 oh my god

00:17:16.620 he's now offering

00:17:19.760 commercials for

00:17:20.540 mesothelioma

00:17:21.720 and ready to buy gold

00:17:22.760 let me ask you

00:17:26.600 I want to talk about you

00:17:28.120 I talked to you at length

00:17:29.500 in the lead up

00:17:30.800 to the last election

00:17:31.560 and I remember

00:17:33.660 you left Breitbart

00:17:34.520 after the whole dust up

00:17:35.600 with Michelle Fields

00:17:36.400 where Corey Lewandowski

00:17:37.260 threw her down

00:17:38.580 it was just this whole thing

00:17:39.460 and you were at first

00:17:42.320 never Trump

00:17:43.040 or you were definitely

00:17:43.760 against Trump

00:17:44.400 but I know now you say

00:17:45.720 you're a sometimes Trumper

00:17:46.720 and I kind of like that

00:17:48.160 I think that

00:17:48.920 that sort of encapsulates

00:17:49.900 how a lot of people feel

00:17:50.800 so what does that mean

00:17:51.840 what does that look like

00:17:52.760 well as soon as he became president

00:17:54.340 then what did it mean

00:17:55.260 to be a never the president

00:17:56.500 like I wasn't going to oppose

00:17:58.040 everything he did

00:17:58.700 especially a lot of the things

00:17:59.780 that I agreed with

00:18:00.840 he's been a lot more conservative

00:18:01.980 than I thought he would be

00:18:02.680 on a wide variety of policies

00:18:03.940 ranging from tax cuts

00:18:05.860 to his stance on China

00:18:07.020 to moving the embassy

00:18:08.220 to Jerusalem in Israel

00:18:09.500 I mean his Middle East record

00:18:10.700 is by the way stellar

00:18:11.420 I mean like the best

00:18:12.080 Middle East record

00:18:12.780 of any president

00:18:13.700 certainly in my lifetime

00:18:14.640 and probably going back

00:18:15.500 to the establishment

00:18:16.060 of the state of Israel

00:18:16.760 his Middle East record

00:18:17.380 is truly incredible

00:18:18.120 so I mean that is a big win

00:18:19.920 for him

00:18:20.480 I'm not going to sit there

00:18:21.260 and yell at the moon

00:18:22.460 about his tweets

00:18:23.200 while he's making peace

00:18:24.180 in the Middle East

00:18:24.620 like that's kind of a good thing

00:18:25.940 so you know sometimes Trump

00:18:27.640 I hope that I'd be

00:18:29.120 sometimes Biden

00:18:29.720 or sometimes Obama

00:18:30.520 in the sense that

00:18:31.220 I would give my

00:18:32.020 conservative evaluation

00:18:33.000 of what they are doing

00:18:34.000 that is good

00:18:34.760 or what they are doing

00:18:35.460 that is bad

00:18:36.420 I would say that overall

00:18:38.080 I'll be happier

00:18:38.980 with Trump's record

00:18:40.020 than I will with any Democrat

00:18:41.220 by a huge margin

00:18:42.920 I think again

00:18:44.300 the logic changes

00:18:45.000 once he's president

00:18:45.620 so I didn't vote

00:18:46.800 for either of the candidates

00:18:47.700 in 2016

00:18:48.480 and I had several

00:18:49.620 articulable reasons for that

00:18:51.260 one was

00:18:51.880 because I was deeply fearful

00:18:53.820 that Donald Trump

00:18:54.420 was not going to govern

00:18:55.060 as a conservative

00:18:55.780 there were indicators

00:18:57.200 he might

00:18:57.860 there were a lot of indicators

00:18:58.620 he wouldn't

00:18:59.360 and so it was like

00:18:59.900 okay I have no idea

00:19:01.140 what we're getting here

00:19:01.720 two was that he was going

00:19:02.920 to sort of soul suck

00:19:03.600 the Republican Party

00:19:04.340 to the point

00:19:04.820 where all of his worst excesses

00:19:06.340 would be greenlit

00:19:07.220 by the party

00:19:07.780 or excused by the party

00:19:08.900 and this would become

00:19:09.740 the new normal

00:19:10.340 and frankly I think

00:19:11.360 some of that's happened

00:19:11.960 and then the third reason

00:19:13.560 is I was afraid

00:19:14.060 that he was going to alienate

00:19:14.980 tremendous numbers

00:19:15.600 of minority

00:19:16.180 and young voters

00:19:16.880 and I think there's

00:19:18.200 a fair bit of evidence

00:19:18.940 that he's alienated

00:19:19.880 young voters

00:19:20.360 I think the evidence

00:19:20.900 on minority voters

00:19:21.660 is a little bit more mixed

00:19:22.980 he seems to be performing

00:19:24.080 basically the same

00:19:24.800 as every other Republican

00:19:25.620 with black voters

00:19:26.320 and a little better

00:19:27.260 than other Republicans

00:19:27.980 with Hispanic voters

00:19:28.840 particularly in swing states

00:19:30.300 the bottom line is

00:19:31.380 that all of those concerns

00:19:32.580 were going to either

00:19:34.240 materialize

00:19:34.820 or not materialize

00:19:35.640 and so now

00:19:36.120 it was a new reality

00:19:37.160 the question was not now

00:19:38.420 okay let's say

00:19:39.100 I set it out

00:19:39.520 in worst case scenario

00:19:40.360 Hillary wins

00:19:41.440 and there's a Republican Senate

00:19:42.760 what comes next

00:19:43.500 versus what happens

00:19:44.460 if Trump wins

00:19:45.080 and he does all of these

00:19:45.980 bad things

00:19:46.500 that I see

00:19:47.780 possibly happening

00:19:48.820 now the scenario is

00:19:50.720 I know what I've got

00:19:51.500 with Trump

00:19:51.840 all the things

00:19:52.740 that I thought would happen

00:19:53.600 either have or have not happened

00:19:54.640 and so now

00:19:55.380 I have a choice

00:19:55.960 between a continuation

00:19:56.860 of that

00:19:57.380 or what I think

00:19:58.720 Joe Biden's administration

00:19:59.680 will be

00:20:00.080 which is a series

00:20:01.060 of kowtowing

00:20:01.700 to a radical left

00:20:02.600 that is going to

00:20:02.980 completely remold

00:20:03.680 the institutions

00:20:04.300 and remake the country

00:20:05.200 and maybe violate

00:20:06.240 the constitutional compact

00:20:07.540 and the processes

00:20:08.140 that are vowing to do

00:20:08.960 so that's shifted

00:20:09.960 the logic a fair bit

00:20:10.880 and you can only make

00:20:11.740 the decisions

00:20:12.180 based on the facts

00:20:12.940 on the ground

00:20:13.380 and the situation

00:20:14.100 on the ground

00:20:14.520 and we're not

00:20:15.500 in the same place

00:20:15.980 in 2020

00:20:16.680 that we were in 2016

00:20:17.660 what's the biggest

00:20:20.940 downside

00:20:21.380 of being this smart

00:20:22.400 honestly

00:20:24.380 like you're just

00:20:25.400 I mean your mind

00:20:26.100 is just rip roaring

00:20:27.240 it's obviously

00:20:28.020 like we're working

00:20:29.060 with an IQ

00:20:29.540 that none of us

00:20:30.180 can even see

00:20:30.800 I mean

00:20:32.800 honestly

00:20:33.940 the only downside

00:20:35.480 to it

00:20:35.900 is that

00:20:36.380 you know

00:20:37.200 first of all

00:20:38.580 listen

00:20:39.320 I know a lot

00:20:40.000 of smart people

00:20:40.440 and I tend to hang out

00:20:41.060 with a lot of smart people

00:20:41.740 so I have a pretty

00:20:42.220 fulfilling

00:20:42.640 social life

00:20:43.780 but I will say

00:20:45.280 that it makes

00:20:46.060 many dinner parties

00:20:47.460 very boring

00:20:48.780 and so you really

00:20:50.020 have to make

00:20:50.440 a strong case

00:20:51.120 as to why

00:20:51.480 I should leave

00:20:51.880 my home

00:20:52.260 my wife

00:20:52.740 my children

00:20:53.500 and classic books

00:20:55.580 that I'm reading

00:20:56.060 to kind of go out

00:20:57.020 and hang

00:20:57.720 well I know

00:20:58.440 because you said

00:20:58.920 to me one time

00:20:59.740 I'm a family guy

00:21:01.360 I'm not a friend guy

00:21:02.340 and I didn't

00:21:03.340 you sort of just

00:21:03.840 said it in passing

00:21:04.460 you were really

00:21:05.120 trying to make a point

00:21:05.720 that you love

00:21:06.100 to be with your family

00:21:06.920 and I

00:21:07.600 as I do

00:21:08.240 with mine

00:21:08.720 and that you

00:21:09.300 would choose them

00:21:09.920 on any given night

00:21:10.900 over going out

00:21:11.620 with friends

00:21:12.080 but then

00:21:13.140 you know

00:21:13.840 I found out

00:21:14.340 more about you

00:21:15.080 and I

00:21:16.200 like is this tied

00:21:17.360 because I know

00:21:18.360 you're very badly

00:21:18.980 bullied

00:21:19.300 and I thought

00:21:19.900 I don't know

00:21:21.260 a lot of people

00:21:21.780 who go through

00:21:22.140 bad bullying

00:21:22.800 A

00:21:23.420 do wind up

00:21:24.660 becoming lawyers

00:21:25.300 as you did

00:21:26.160 and B

00:21:27.480 do choose

00:21:28.580 pugilistic careers

00:21:29.840 of some type

00:21:30.600 which you also did

00:21:31.620 well you can

00:21:32.640 definitely respond

00:21:33.400 one of two ways

00:21:33.980 to being bullied

00:21:34.480 one is to sort of

00:21:35.220 curl up into the shell

00:21:36.040 and the other is to get

00:21:36.780 more aggressive

00:21:37.680 and grow a thicker skin

00:21:38.680 as you know

00:21:39.320 I mean you've

00:21:39.780 you've taken it

00:21:40.480 on the chin

00:21:40.800 a bunch of times

00:21:41.400 and you can either

00:21:42.540 sort of you know

00:21:43.680 bulk up in response

00:21:44.800 or you can curl up

00:21:46.180 and so

00:21:47.080 I think that my

00:21:48.120 life has been

00:21:49.460 more one of trying

00:21:50.320 to grow a thicker skin

00:21:51.160 get more aggressive

00:21:52.320 in defense of the things

00:21:53.120 I believe in

00:21:53.580 and also

00:21:54.240 I will say that

00:21:55.040 about being bullied

00:21:55.620 what it does breed

00:21:57.180 is a certain level

00:21:58.000 of I think

00:21:58.300 healthy distrust

00:21:59.160 in people who surround you

00:22:01.180 and so

00:22:01.940 you tend to want to

00:22:02.960 have a pretty close

00:22:03.960 circle

00:22:04.680 and a pretty close-knit

00:22:05.620 group of people

00:22:06.180 who you really

00:22:06.760 really trust

00:22:07.320 you know

00:22:07.720 people who will

00:22:08.140 give you good advice

00:22:09.080 and once you open up

00:22:10.720 to particularly

00:22:11.180 in the internet age

00:22:12.260 I think that's

00:22:12.680 really healthy actually

00:22:13.620 because the internet

00:22:14.580 is filled with people

00:22:15.300 who purport to be

00:22:15.940 giving you good advice

00:22:16.580 and actually just want

00:22:17.220 to see you torn down

00:22:17.840 as you know

00:22:18.200 right

00:22:19.360 you know

00:22:20.020 it makes me think

00:22:20.840 because I once heard

00:22:21.820 that the

00:22:22.320 that we choose

00:22:23.480 in our spouse

00:22:24.320 someone who

00:22:25.820 has both the best

00:22:27.240 and worst

00:22:28.420 qualities of our parents

00:22:30.020 you know

00:22:30.800 because we want

00:22:31.740 the good stuff

00:22:32.320 and then we want

00:22:33.160 to do over

00:22:33.700 with the bad stuff

00:22:34.760 and I actually think

00:22:36.240 that's

00:22:36.960 you could say that

00:22:37.680 about life

00:22:38.300 right

00:22:38.640 like

00:22:38.920 because I was also

00:22:40.140 badly bullied

00:22:40.940 when I was in middle school

00:22:41.800 and you know

00:22:42.440 we've had similar

00:22:43.140 career paths

00:22:43.700 in a way

00:22:44.040 and I almost wonder

00:22:45.480 whether on some level

00:22:46.500 I've wondered

00:22:46.920 about myself

00:22:47.640 am I looking

00:22:48.840 for a redo

00:22:49.660 like do I want

00:22:50.800 is a battle

00:22:52.080 with you know

00:22:53.060 Anthony Weiner

00:22:53.760 or Michael Cohen

00:22:55.420 is it a redo

00:22:56.580 of the battles

00:22:57.360 I had with Nancy

00:22:58.420 whose last name

00:22:59.360 I will not say

00:23:00.000 you know

00:23:00.640 am I trying

00:23:01.440 for a better result

00:23:02.720 I don't know

00:23:04.160 if so

00:23:04.860 then good

00:23:05.460 right Ben

00:23:05.880 because it's like

00:23:06.400 it landed

00:23:06.940 in an okay place

00:23:07.940 yeah I mean

00:23:08.920 I think that

00:23:09.600 there is something

00:23:10.800 to that

00:23:11.500 I mean

00:23:11.700 there's something

00:23:12.460 good about

00:23:13.000 growing

00:23:13.860 you know

00:23:14.780 extra layers of skin

00:23:15.920 I think what people

00:23:16.580 don't understand

00:23:17.180 about you know

00:23:18.000 being in a position

00:23:19.180 of prominence

00:23:19.760 you get this

00:23:20.440 because you've had it too

00:23:21.220 is that

00:23:21.800 your skin can never

00:23:23.880 be thick enough

00:23:24.380 to repel all attacks

00:23:25.440 like things still hurt

00:23:26.600 and so

00:23:27.200 when you're in the public eye

00:23:28.020 people act as though

00:23:29.020 okay well now

00:23:29.640 you're completely impregnable

00:23:30.600 I can say whatever garbage

00:23:31.560 I want to say about this person

00:23:32.580 and they'll never be hurt

00:23:33.900 and you know

00:23:34.800 they'll never react

00:23:35.620 on a personal level

00:23:36.700 and that of course

00:23:37.240 is untrue

00:23:38.080 and very silly

00:23:38.880 but I certainly agree

00:23:41.160 that you know

00:23:42.100 being bullied

00:23:42.800 overall

00:23:43.720 in terms of how

00:23:44.560 it's shaped my life

00:23:45.320 on net

00:23:46.640 it sucked when it was happening

00:23:47.860 but on net

00:23:48.540 I don't actually think

00:23:49.680 that it was necessarily

00:23:50.520 a bad thing for me overall

00:23:51.860 you know

00:23:52.200 lots of bad things

00:23:52.840 happen throughout your life

00:23:53.620 that ends up actually

00:23:54.200 strengthening you

00:23:54.860 if you

00:23:55.940 right

00:23:56.220 as you say

00:23:56.820 if you allow it

00:23:57.380 because there's no way

00:23:57.920 to strengthen your

00:23:58.840 you know

00:23:59.220 your resilience muscles

00:24:00.660 unless you actually

00:24:01.220 work them out

00:24:01.720 but I worry about you

00:24:03.540 because you get it

00:24:05.100 in a particular way

00:24:05.900 I mean you get threatened

00:24:06.740 I've seen the videos

00:24:07.700 of you getting threatened

00:24:08.560 on the street

00:24:09.160 with your kids

00:24:09.780 with your wife

00:24:10.420 and I know what that's like

00:24:12.120 just because you can handle it

00:24:13.420 you know how to

00:24:14.840 you know

00:24:15.320 head up

00:24:16.040 shoulders back

00:24:16.620 and keep forging forward

00:24:17.640 doesn't mean it isn't

00:24:19.080 deeply affecting you

00:24:20.200 on a personal level

00:24:21.220 and you know

00:24:21.800 you have a family

00:24:22.880 to worry about

00:24:23.440 and I think to myself

00:24:24.420 I don't know

00:24:25.860 I just

00:24:26.220 I wonder whether

00:24:27.660 it's enjoyable for you

00:24:29.460 like does

00:24:30.080 does that stuff

00:24:30.840 get so large

00:24:31.700 that it clouds

00:24:32.520 your enjoyment

00:24:33.100 of your huge success

00:24:34.400 oh for sure

00:24:35.500 I mean

00:24:35.940 when we had to have

00:24:37.300 armed security

00:24:37.820 outside our house

00:24:38.420 for months

00:24:39.120 on end

00:24:39.740 that was

00:24:40.160 that was no fun

00:24:40.960 when I have to worry

00:24:42.680 about bringing security

00:24:43.460 with me

00:24:43.880 to family events

00:24:45.020 that's no fun

00:24:45.860 my kids are young enough

00:24:46.580 that they don't really

00:24:47.100 understand it

00:24:47.680 at this point

00:24:48.120 and I will say

00:24:48.880 thank god

00:24:49.360 the vast vast vast majority

00:24:50.940 of people who come up

00:24:51.720 to me in public

00:24:52.220 are people who enjoy the show

00:24:53.400 I've only had a couple

00:24:54.480 of incidents

00:24:54.900 where people come up

00:24:55.700 and they say something nasty

00:24:56.580 and usually it's in passing

00:24:57.560 and my kids

00:24:58.840 don't really see it

00:24:59.840 although one time

00:25:00.340 I was holding my daughter

00:25:01.040 and I was like

00:25:01.360 what are you doing

00:25:01.860 I'm holding up

00:25:02.300 like a five year old

00:25:02.960 what are you doing

00:25:03.600 but overall

00:25:05.400 what it does lead to

00:25:08.000 and you see it

00:25:08.900 with pretty much everybody

00:25:09.680 who reaches a certain level

00:25:11.000 of notoriety

00:25:11.780 is again

00:25:13.140 a necessity

00:25:13.720 to build

00:25:14.560 the sort of bubble

00:25:15.320 around yourself

00:25:16.040 that can't be invaded

00:25:16.940 particularly when you're

00:25:17.620 with your family

00:25:18.140 and thank god

00:25:19.420 as part of a religious community

00:25:20.720 I have that

00:25:21.520 I'm very tight

00:25:22.160 with my parents

00:25:22.720 and frankly

00:25:25.080 it's one of the reasons

00:25:25.760 I think that we're

00:25:26.420 leaving LA

00:25:26.960 I'd like to live

00:25:27.560 in more of a

00:25:28.440 community

00:25:30.040 that has less

00:25:32.000 antipathy

00:25:32.480 for my values

00:25:33.780 and where

00:25:34.420 I can walk around

00:25:35.180 on the beach

00:25:35.440 with my kids

00:25:36.000 and presumably

00:25:36.820 not be screamed at

00:25:37.720 that's the thing

00:25:39.140 as somebody who lives

00:25:40.360 on the upper west side

00:25:41.040 of Manhattan

00:25:41.460 and worked for Fox News

00:25:43.240 for 13 and a half years

00:25:44.360 it can be

00:25:46.000 you can grow weary

00:25:47.020 because

00:25:47.620 I'm sort of

00:25:50.860 center right

00:25:51.460 on most things

00:25:52.240 and right on some things

00:25:53.500 and I'm even

00:25:53.920 center left

00:25:54.480 on some things

00:25:55.060 but up here

00:25:56.140 you gotta be left

00:25:56.900 and you gotta be

00:25:58.000 left with a capital L

00:25:59.420 and it used to be

00:26:00.040 when I first got up here

00:26:00.980 fine

00:26:02.240 whatever

00:26:03.040 they'd leave you alone

00:26:04.360 but now

00:26:05.040 it's gotten so divisive

00:26:07.000 I mean

00:26:07.840 for the first time

00:26:08.840 I've been looking around

00:26:09.660 saying I don't know

00:26:10.460 I'm not sure

00:26:11.280 if we're gonna last here

00:26:12.520 I don't know if

00:26:13.200 I don't know if

00:26:14.200 I can keep my kids

00:26:14.980 in these schools

00:26:15.500 and stay in this neighborhood

00:26:16.640 and fight the battle

00:26:18.180 that's gonna need

00:26:18.820 to get fought

00:26:19.480 for the next 12 years

00:26:20.920 while they go through this

00:26:21.880 I totally agree

00:26:22.860 and it's one thing

00:26:23.540 when it falls on you

00:26:24.280 as an adult

00:26:24.700 it's another thing

00:26:25.240 when it starts to fall

00:26:25.900 on your kids

00:26:26.440 so again

00:26:27.460 I'm lucky

00:26:28.080 because we live

00:26:28.720 in a pretty parochial

00:26:29.580 community

00:26:30.160 it was funny

00:26:30.920 I remember

00:26:31.200 after Sarah Huckabee Sanders

00:26:32.280 was shouted out

00:26:32.940 of a red hen

00:26:33.500 for the great set

00:26:34.020 of eating dinner

00:26:34.520 somebody on

00:26:35.660 I think it was

00:26:35.980 Martha McCallum on Fox

00:26:36.880 asked me

00:26:37.340 I was on TV that night

00:26:38.960 and she asked

00:26:39.460 has that ever happened to you

00:26:40.720 and I was like

00:26:41.000 no I eat at kosher restaurants

00:26:41.860 everybody loves me

00:26:42.440 at kosher restaurants

00:26:43.080 they're my peeps

00:26:43.720 that's the beautiful thing

00:26:45.760 about self-sorting this way

00:26:46.840 but it is

00:26:48.220 I certainly know

00:26:49.780 I was talking the other day

00:26:51.220 to somebody who is

00:26:52.120 again very well known

00:26:53.800 and is

00:26:54.460 used to be

00:26:55.620 kind of bigger

00:26:56.300 in the entertainment industry

00:26:57.220 now is sort of

00:26:58.000 commentary industry

00:26:58.880 and his son is a big fan

00:27:00.180 of the show

00:27:00.580 and goes to a very liberal school

00:27:02.160 in the LA area

00:27:04.260 and his son

00:27:05.360 who's 14

00:27:05.760 was telling me

00:27:06.460 how he had told

00:27:07.780 some of his friends

00:27:08.460 that he kind of liked Trump

00:27:10.300 that he wasn't super anti-Trump

00:27:11.620 and one of his friends

00:27:13.640 or friends before

00:27:15.180 refused to hand him

00:27:16.860 an eraser

00:27:17.320 because he said

00:27:17.980 you're a racist

00:27:18.500 which seems insulting

00:27:20.040 on two levels

00:27:20.580 one

00:27:20.920 just because you like Trump

00:27:22.200 doesn't mean

00:27:22.620 that you're a racist

00:27:23.460 and two

00:27:23.920 I mean

00:27:24.600 even if you are a racist

00:27:25.420 does that mean

00:27:25.740 you're going to steal the eraser

00:27:26.460 but beyond that

00:27:27.340 it's

00:27:27.940 that kind of divide

00:27:30.820 I'm not sure it's bridgeable

00:27:31.860 and I feel like

00:27:32.660 it is absolutely getting worse

00:27:33.860 there's going to be

00:27:34.340 a big sort

00:27:35.000 that's about to happen

00:27:35.780 where if you are

00:27:37.160 a red person

00:27:38.080 living in a very blue state

00:27:39.240 like California

00:27:39.800 I think there's about

00:27:40.500 to be a mass exodus

00:27:41.400 of everybody

00:27:42.100 who's a registered Republican

00:27:43.000 in New York

00:27:43.740 New Jersey

00:27:44.260 Connecticut

00:27:44.800 Massachusetts

00:27:45.300 California

00:27:46.720 why specifically though

00:27:48.460 is it defund the police

00:27:49.480 what is it

00:27:50.460 I mean

00:27:50.800 some of it's defund the police

00:27:51.820 some of it is

00:27:52.680 idiotic financial policy

00:27:53.900 that is based on

00:27:54.760 confiscatory tax rates

00:27:56.380 where the harder you work

00:27:57.640 and the more people you employ

00:27:58.560 the more you are expected

00:27:59.360 to pay for garbage policy

00:28:00.500 that actually makes

00:28:01.380 quality of life worse

00:28:02.200 it's one thing to pay

00:28:03.060 extraordinary taxes

00:28:04.200 in order to have

00:28:04.980 an extremely clean community

00:28:06.560 with excellent public schools

00:28:08.000 it's another thing to do that

00:28:08.880 when you have

00:28:09.280 homeless people

00:28:10.280 outside every gate

00:28:11.140 open needles on the street

00:28:12.780 people being left

00:28:14.620 in their mental illness

00:28:16.020 and drug addiction

00:28:16.600 and treating it as freedom

00:28:17.880 for them to live

00:28:18.480 under freeway underpasses

00:28:20.000 and public schools

00:28:21.200 that are completely

00:28:21.760 falling down from within

00:28:22.900 because the teachers unions

00:28:23.820 have taken them over

00:28:24.560 subsidizing that

00:28:26.580 at the rate of millions

00:28:27.920 and millions of dollars a year

00:28:28.920 I think is almost sinful

00:28:29.800 and then being shamed

00:28:31.120 being shamed

00:28:31.980 for not paying your pay share

00:28:33.080 right and then

00:28:34.080 exactly being shamed for it

00:28:35.500 and then if you

00:28:36.460 I mean in LA

00:28:37.540 if you were to put a Trump sign

00:28:38.880 on your lawn

00:28:39.660 I mean I can't even imagine

00:28:40.920 the consequences

00:28:41.600 and you're almost expected

00:28:43.060 as a rite of passage

00:28:43.820 to put these lawn signs out

00:28:45.100 you know these

00:28:45.660 lawn signs that are very popular

00:28:47.000 out here in LA

00:28:47.720 you know in this house

00:28:48.720 we believe black lives matter

00:28:50.100 women's rights are human rights

00:28:51.280 water is life

00:28:51.900 like these

00:28:52.220 these kind of

00:28:53.040 tautologically

00:28:53.760 overwritten

00:28:55.080 and semantically

00:28:55.760 overloaded

00:28:56.520 phrases

00:28:57.060 on a lawn sign

00:28:58.060 so you feel better

00:28:58.560 about yourself

00:28:59.020 as your city collapses

00:28:59.940 in on itself

00:29:00.440 like a dying star

00:29:01.120 I think that

00:29:02.220 more and more people

00:29:03.280 particularly who own businesses

00:29:04.420 are going to leave

00:29:04.960 and we're seeing this

00:29:05.520 I mean Joe Rogan's out

00:29:06.640 Elon Musk is out

00:29:07.720 right Daily Wire is moving

00:29:08.840 we're talking with other people

00:29:10.540 and they're like

00:29:11.000 yeah I'm not sure

00:29:11.560 why we're here either

00:29:12.400 I think a lot of folks

00:29:13.400 on the right

00:29:14.000 we're kind of using

00:29:14.760 you know some key

00:29:16.400 cultural figures

00:29:17.140 as a bellwether

00:29:17.700 and the fact that we're moving

00:29:18.700 we're getting calls

00:29:19.300 every single day

00:29:20.160 from very prominent figures

00:29:21.340 saying okay so

00:29:22.180 how do you know

00:29:23.120 what's Nashville like

00:29:24.500 what's Florida like

00:29:25.240 like what are these other states like

00:29:27.140 as you know

00:29:28.180 living in Manhattan or LA

00:29:29.300 because you think

00:29:29.940 you're in the center of the world

00:29:30.800 living in a big city

00:29:31.440 you forget there's an entire

00:29:32.680 other part of the country

00:29:33.720 that's actually

00:29:34.120 pretty darn nice

00:29:35.180 outside of these cities

00:29:35.980 now it's time for a new franchise

00:29:41.840 here at the Megyn Kelly show

00:29:43.380 called

00:29:43.860 You Can't Say That

00:29:45.240 we may expand it to

00:29:46.680 you can't say that

00:29:47.860 or do that

00:29:48.840 or think that

00:29:49.880 oh wait this is America

00:29:51.100 but for today

00:29:52.140 it's

00:29:52.660 you can't say that

00:29:53.480 first and foremost

00:29:54.380 did you know that

00:29:54.980 doing a PSA

00:29:55.860 with Dr. Fauci

00:29:57.020 about wearing a mask

00:29:58.220 during COVID

00:29:59.060 could get you canceled

00:30:00.140 well Dennis Quaid found out

00:30:02.120 the hard way

00:30:02.700 that the answer to that

00:30:03.500 is potentially true

00:30:04.460 you see Politico came out

00:30:06.360 with a report

00:30:07.300 saying Dennis Quaid

00:30:09.240 was

00:30:10.080 essentially trying to

00:30:11.780 help Donald Trump

00:30:13.000 rehabilitate his image

00:30:14.920 with other celebrities

00:30:16.640 that he was getting paid

00:30:18.000 to try to help Trump

00:30:19.180 and people on Twitter

00:30:20.980 lost their minds

00:30:21.660 because you're not allowed

00:30:23.160 to be a Trump supporter

00:30:23.980 and you're really

00:30:24.740 not allowed to be

00:30:25.460 a Hollywood person

00:30:26.220 who's a Trump supporter

00:30:27.080 so screw you

00:30:28.740 Dennis Quaid

00:30:29.300 except it didn't

00:30:31.040 turn out to be true

00:30:31.980 at all

00:30:32.540 Politico was wrong

00:30:33.900 he wasn't getting paid

00:30:34.920 it was a PSA

00:30:35.820 a public service announcement

00:30:36.940 that he did

00:30:37.860 with Fauci

00:30:38.660 with Dr. Fauci

00:30:40.080 and they were just

00:30:40.740 encouraging people

00:30:41.460 to take precautions

00:30:42.560 during COVID

00:30:43.840 like wear your mask

00:30:44.960 which these cancel

00:30:46.240 culture warriors

00:30:47.320 are supposed to be all for

00:30:48.360 so Politico has yet

00:30:50.640 to correct its report

00:30:51.740 Dennis Quaid is ticked off

00:30:53.220 he spoke out about

00:30:54.100 cancel culture

00:30:54.760 saying this is bull

00:30:55.960 it wasn't correct

00:30:57.800 and but by the way

00:30:58.860 why would he have to

00:31:00.140 apologize if it were correct

00:31:01.700 think of the number

00:31:02.300 of celebrities

00:31:02.780 who have come out

00:31:03.660 against Donald Trump

00:31:05.180 or back in the last election

00:31:07.980 for Barack Obama

00:31:09.860 fine

00:31:10.580 you want to support

00:31:11.360 Barack Obama

00:31:11.940 you want to support

00:31:12.600 Joe Biden

00:31:13.100 good

00:31:13.460 you should

00:31:14.200 you want to support

00:31:15.440 Donald Trump

00:31:15.940 good

00:31:16.260 you should

00:31:17.160 get off of his case

00:31:19.300 just because he might not

00:31:20.660 have the same views

00:31:21.740 as you do

00:31:22.340 and by the way

00:31:23.220 I've interviewed

00:31:23.700 Dennis Quaid

00:31:24.220 and I've asked him

00:31:24.880 about his politics

00:31:25.600 and he says

00:31:26.240 he's an independent

00:31:27.060 which apparently

00:31:28.140 you're also

00:31:28.780 not allowed to be

00:31:29.800 unless it's code

00:31:30.420 for Democrat

00:31:30.960 so this is one

00:31:32.860 of the reason

00:31:33.340 reasons people

00:31:34.300 don't like Hollywood

00:31:35.040 anymore

00:31:35.440 because they feel

00:31:36.200 judged

00:31:36.620 people who are not

00:31:37.740 Democrats

00:31:38.580 they feel judged

00:31:39.320 by them

00:31:39.740 and they've lost

00:31:40.320 their influence

00:31:40.940 as a result

00:31:42.140 of all of this

00:31:42.800 so good for Dr. Fauci

00:31:44.100 for partnering

00:31:44.900 with a guy

00:31:45.400 like Dennis Quaid

00:31:46.180 good for Dennis Quaid

00:31:47.180 for giving up his time

00:31:48.700 to do a PSA

00:31:49.860 on COVID precautions

00:31:51.300 and bad for Politico

00:31:53.420 for not

00:31:54.120 as of now

00:31:54.940 correcting

00:31:55.580 its reporting

00:31:56.700 and now

00:31:57.620 back to Ben

00:31:58.220 here in Manhattan

00:32:02.000 there's a

00:32:02.860 there's an upperclassman

00:32:03.860 where one of my children

00:32:04.980 goes to school

00:32:05.540 and she's a Republican

00:32:07.540 and you know

00:32:08.500 I just asked her

00:32:09.180 what's it

00:32:09.480 what's it like for you

00:32:10.280 you've made it through

00:32:10.980 whatever 10 years

00:32:11.840 as a

00:32:12.260 as a student

00:32:12.980 at the school

00:32:13.600 which is

00:32:14.240 very openly left

00:32:15.380 and she was saying

00:32:16.480 it's been really hard

00:32:17.520 you know

00:32:17.880 she's open about it

00:32:18.860 she does

00:32:19.320 she says

00:32:19.940 that she's a Trump supporter

00:32:21.000 she

00:32:21.300 her friends know

00:32:22.100 that she's a Republican

00:32:22.820 but it's a non-stop fight

00:32:24.880 and there's a diminishment

00:32:26.720 you know

00:32:27.320 by the friends

00:32:27.880 when they're like

00:32:28.580 well we know

00:32:29.140 we know where you stand

00:32:30.400 and there is that same

00:32:32.260 sort of stigma

00:32:33.560 that the country's now

00:32:34.760 putting on anybody

00:32:35.500 who supports Trump

00:32:36.560 which is

00:32:36.900 and you must be a bigot

00:32:38.300 a racist

00:32:38.820 a xenophobe

00:32:39.540 a sexist

00:32:40.060 you know

00:32:40.280 like the whole laundry list

00:32:41.440 which for all of our lives

00:32:42.780 we've been conditioned

00:32:43.760 to recoil at those words

00:32:45.820 no one wants to be called them

00:32:47.120 and I

00:32:47.960 Doug and I

00:32:48.660 have been asking ourselves

00:32:49.960 do we really want

00:32:51.260 our kids

00:32:52.020 to have to fight

00:32:53.600 that battle

00:32:54.540 right

00:32:55.080 they have enough

00:32:55.640 to worry about

00:32:56.340 now this is right

00:32:57.160 it's extremely tiring

00:32:58.260 it's hard enough

00:32:58.640 to be a kid

00:32:59.120 or be a teenager

00:32:59.740 and deal with all the changes

00:33:00.760 that entails

00:33:01.280 without having to deal

00:33:02.240 with all this nonsense

00:33:02.980 and

00:33:03.440 we have as a culture

00:33:04.600 removed

00:33:05.180 all common spaces

00:33:06.260 this is the part

00:33:07.220 that's going crazy

00:33:07.920 it used to be

00:33:09.220 that regardless

00:33:09.800 of obviously

00:33:11.100 what your political

00:33:11.700 persuasion was

00:33:12.300 you'd go to a ball game

00:33:13.080 it doesn't matter

00:33:13.740 what the guy

00:33:14.180 sitting next to you

00:33:15.180 who he voted for

00:33:16.000 all that matters

00:33:16.560 is that you're at a ball game

00:33:17.380 and you're talking baseball

00:33:18.180 or something

00:33:18.660 or you're talking about

00:33:19.960 what was on HBO

00:33:21.120 last night

00:33:21.820 that wasn't some sort

00:33:22.580 of political cram down

00:33:23.400 and now everything

00:33:24.400 has become so overtly politicized

00:33:25.780 that there is no space

00:33:26.880 to move

00:33:27.580 I mean it just

00:33:28.100 it feels like the walls

00:33:29.260 are closing in culturally

00:33:30.600 and the only way

00:33:31.500 to buy yourself any space

00:33:32.500 is to move to a place

00:33:33.280 where a lot more people

00:33:34.220 agree with you

00:33:34.800 so I think that

00:33:35.360 I think that's going to

00:33:36.740 exacerbate over time

00:33:37.540 I think it's going to

00:33:38.000 open up some market

00:33:38.640 opportunities by the way

00:33:39.640 for people on the right

00:33:40.540 who have neglected

00:33:41.020 cultural concerns

00:33:41.900 I think that there will be

00:33:43.440 a right-wing Netflix

00:33:44.640 I think that there will be

00:33:45.640 a right-wing ESPN

00:33:46.880 because obviously

00:33:48.120 the ESPN is now

00:33:49.640 MSNBC with footballs

00:33:50.720 and Hollywood has decided

00:33:51.560 to go full-on

00:33:52.780 Democratic Party outlet

00:33:53.980 so I mean

00:33:55.100 when the Oscars

00:33:55.840 have declared

00:33:56.260 that you have to

00:33:56.760 fulfill racial quotas

00:33:57.840 in both plot lines

00:33:58.860 and staffing

00:33:59.400 in order to be nominated

00:34:00.300 for an Oscar

00:34:00.840 there are a lot of people

00:34:02.420 in the country

00:34:02.740 who really don't care

00:34:03.900 about what your woke

00:34:04.920 principles are in Hollywood

00:34:05.780 they just want to

00:34:06.360 watch or shoot them up

00:34:07.260 they just want to

00:34:07.800 watch an action flick

00:34:08.500 they just want to

00:34:09.880 watch a rom-com

00:34:10.500 and there's going to

00:34:11.760 be a lot of space

00:34:12.360 opened up here

00:34:12.840 why did the Roseanne

00:34:14.040 reboot do so well

00:34:15.320 why did Tim Allen

00:34:15.980 show do so well

00:34:17.100 you know it's

00:34:17.980 there is interest

00:34:18.980 in these stories

00:34:19.600 it's just that

00:34:20.240 the people who are

00:34:20.760 in control

00:34:21.160 in control of the

00:34:21.860 programming

00:34:22.300 refuse to see it

00:34:23.580 or disdain it

00:34:24.940 you know

00:34:26.080 when I was on

00:34:27.140 NBC

00:34:27.880 I really wanted to

00:34:29.240 put on Suzette Kilo

00:34:30.320 you know Mark Joseph

00:34:31.320 who made No Safe Spaces

00:34:32.520 which you are in

00:34:33.280 and I love

00:34:34.140 and if you haven't

00:34:34.820 seen it

00:34:35.160 everyone needs

00:34:35.740 to see it

00:34:36.220 but so Mark Joseph

00:34:37.320 is a conservative

00:34:37.940 well he's not

00:34:38.420 really conservative

00:34:39.000 he's so you know

00:34:39.680 he's center right

00:34:40.320 I'd say

00:34:40.720 filmmaker in Hollywood

00:34:42.500 and he made this movie

00:34:43.460 No Safe Spaces

00:34:44.220 which you know

00:34:45.180 features Adam Carolla

00:34:46.000 and Dennis Prager

00:34:46.600 and Ben

00:34:47.000 and some others

00:34:47.460 and he said to me

00:34:50.020 he came to me

00:34:50.700 when I was at NBC

00:34:51.240 and said hey

00:34:51.660 do you want Suzette Kilo

00:34:52.560 who was the plaintiff

00:34:55.100 in Kilo versus Connecticut

00:34:56.100 because the state of Connecticut

00:34:57.040 seized her home

00:34:57.900 her little pink house

00:34:58.760 claiming eminent domain

00:35:00.640 they wanted to build

00:35:01.320 this waterfront establishment

00:35:02.480 and it went all the way up

00:35:03.560 to the Supreme Court

00:35:04.200 and she lost

00:35:04.820 and I think the reaction

00:35:07.420 from most people

00:35:07.980 was like eh

00:35:08.860 right like

00:35:10.840 do we really care

00:35:11.940 it's like a Supreme Court case

00:35:13.280 whatever

00:35:13.580 one lady lost her house

00:35:14.540 I'm like 100%

00:35:15.580 we're putting her on

00:35:16.380 can I tell you

00:35:17.340 it was the highest rated segment

00:35:19.160 that I did in my entire time

00:35:20.960 at NBC

00:35:21.320 wow

00:35:22.380 Americans

00:35:23.380 they respond

00:35:24.500 when the programming

00:35:25.980 goes out there

00:35:26.820 that speaks to their values

00:35:28.120 you know

00:35:28.820 and it is half the country

00:35:30.200 they respond

00:35:31.380 and you would think

00:35:31.960 just you know

00:35:32.520 sheer greed

00:35:33.180 just sheer capitalism

00:35:34.200 would make people

00:35:35.840 cater at least a little

00:35:37.240 to them

00:35:37.640 or at least get like

00:35:38.320 one strain going

00:35:39.560 of movie making

00:35:41.060 or television programming

00:35:42.420 or you know

00:35:43.220 more than Fox News

00:35:43.960 in the television industry

00:35:45.280 nope

00:35:46.360 they just won't

00:35:47.520 it's for them

00:35:48.060 it's just

00:35:48.420 it's war

00:35:49.040 it's cultural

00:35:49.820 ideological war

00:35:50.980 and it would be

00:35:52.020 a sacrifice in character

00:35:53.140 to brook any of those ideas

00:35:54.980 absolutely

00:35:55.840 well lack of

00:35:56.840 lack of competition

00:35:57.660 breeds

00:35:58.180 a certain level

00:35:59.280 of laziness

00:36:00.220 in Hollywood

00:36:00.720 and they've had

00:36:01.440 no competition

00:36:02.100 I mean it's not as though

00:36:02.860 there's a robust

00:36:03.600 conservative filmmaking industry

00:36:05.180 it exists

00:36:05.620 it's small

00:36:06.060 and part of that

00:36:07.240 is because conservatives

00:36:07.940 have never been forced

00:36:09.240 to engage on the cultural level

00:36:10.520 because again

00:36:11.120 these common spaces existed

00:36:12.400 and then the left

00:36:14.080 was smart enough

00:36:14.560 I think to kind of

00:36:15.520 subtly push people

00:36:16.580 in particular directions

00:36:17.560 using a lot of that

00:36:18.700 common space

00:36:19.320 I mean Joe Biden

00:36:20.160 used to say this right

00:36:21.120 he used to say that

00:36:21.580 Will and Grace

00:36:21.980 was very instrumental

00:36:22.760 in pushing same-sex marriage

00:36:23.760 which is obviously true

00:36:24.840 and Hollywood used to

00:36:26.160 recognize that the way

00:36:27.020 that you actually push messages

00:36:28.020 is you do it subtly

00:36:29.180 you do it over time

00:36:29.980 and now they're just like

00:36:31.140 balls to the wall

00:36:32.100 going for it right

00:36:32.740 at this point

00:36:33.240 it's like okay

00:36:34.000 if every single movie

00:36:35.400 isn't about

00:36:36.080 a communist

00:36:37.640 little person

00:36:38.840 of transgender identity

00:36:40.280 having a wonderful

00:36:42.140 you know

00:36:42.980 cross-species

00:36:44.040 relationship

00:36:44.900 with a fish man

00:36:46.060 then it's not

00:36:47.360 that's actually happening

00:36:48.100 the sad thing is

00:36:49.140 that's not a joke

00:36:49.900 there really is some

00:36:50.940 sort of octopus

00:36:51.820 sexual film

00:36:53.520 I mean I can't

00:36:54.740 I basically just described

00:36:55.760 the plot of The Shape of Water

00:36:56.700 right

00:36:56.920 I mean that's

00:36:57.340 which just won the Oscar

00:36:58.520 a couple of years ago

00:36:59.700 just insane

00:37:00.780 it's about

00:37:01.620 a deaf woman

00:37:03.420 who

00:37:04.420 a deaf mute woman

00:37:05.440 who falls in love

00:37:06.540 with a fish alien

00:37:07.220 and has a communist

00:37:08.940 sidekick

00:37:09.720 and a black woman

00:37:10.780 as a friend

00:37:11.080 I mean it's literally

00:37:12.000 like they just cast

00:37:12.720 this thing

00:37:13.220 out of an SJW

00:37:14.720 Mad Lib

00:37:15.840 and the thing won

00:37:16.800 the Oscar for Best Picture

00:37:17.620 it's a terrible film

00:37:18.620 I mean just a terrible film

00:37:19.660 maybe you can make

00:37:20.400 a good film out of that

00:37:21.080 this one is not it

00:37:21.840 but

00:37:22.380 the fact that

00:37:23.860 conservatives are now

00:37:24.620 being forced to the point

00:37:25.420 where it's like

00:37:25.740 I can't even watch

00:37:26.720 a cop show

00:37:27.200 okay well then

00:37:27.720 we're gonna have to

00:37:28.160 make our own cop shows

00:37:28.940 and they've literally

00:37:29.760 tried to cancel Paw Patrol

00:37:30.840 because it's too

00:37:31.720 positive toward police officers

00:37:33.000 it's a dog

00:37:33.740 who's a cop

00:37:34.600 I know

00:37:34.940 come on

00:37:35.380 they claim they didn't

00:37:36.380 they weren't actually

00:37:37.140 gonna cancel it

00:37:37.660 it just got some heat

00:37:38.400 from the New York Times

00:37:39.140 and now their claim

00:37:40.240 is satire

00:37:41.300 but they did cancel

00:37:42.380 Live PD on A&E

00:37:43.460 the number one rated show

00:37:45.460 on A&E

00:37:46.240 they were killing it

00:37:47.500 and it was a

00:37:48.620 that show's ratings

00:37:50.760 beat all the ratings

00:37:51.800 on cable news

00:37:52.400 like the most successful

00:37:53.360 host

00:37:53.600 listen if I could buy

00:37:54.600 the rights to Live PD

00:37:55.580 right now

00:37:56.160 like if I could negotiate

00:37:57.320 the rights to Live PD

00:37:58.020 right now

00:37:58.540 I would buy them

00:37:59.140 and I would broadcast it

00:38:00.000 at Daily Wire

00:38:00.460 and I'd put some of it

00:38:01.140 behind the paywall

00:38:01.760 and we'd make bank

00:38:02.440 100%

00:38:03.000 and that's what conservatives

00:38:03.800 are gonna start doing

00:38:04.420 I think

00:38:04.720 okay I'll join you

00:38:05.700 I'll chip in

00:38:06.480 okay

00:38:08.440 so before I let you go

00:38:10.160 you're the king

00:38:11.500 of all podcasting

00:38:12.380 and certainly

00:38:14.060 political podcasting

00:38:15.180 and I've watched

00:38:16.240 the show grow

00:38:16.920 and I love it

00:38:17.520 I listen to your show

00:38:18.200 all the time

00:38:18.840 so you gotta give me

00:38:20.120 some advice

00:38:20.520 what do I need to know

00:38:21.420 as I join this industry

00:38:22.940 about how to do well

00:38:24.580 and what pitfalls

00:38:26.520 to avoid

00:38:27.060 so I think

00:38:29.160 how to do well

00:38:30.040 you're gonna do great

00:38:30.740 obviously

00:38:31.220 because you know

00:38:32.140 some of it is just

00:38:32.880 you gotta know

00:38:33.160 what you're talking about

00:38:33.840 but a lot of it

00:38:34.880 is examining

00:38:36.180 all sides of the issue

00:38:37.740 and it's much more

00:38:38.380 stream of consciousness

00:38:39.060 it's not scripted TV

00:38:40.620 so you know

00:38:41.740 I did you know

00:38:42.520 obviously you're much more

00:38:43.680 of a television professional

00:38:44.420 than I am

00:38:44.920 of course

00:38:45.500 but I did you know

00:38:46.620 a scripted show

00:38:47.680 basically for Fox

00:38:49.020 during the election

00:38:50.580 of 2018

00:38:51.260 for maybe a couple of months

00:38:52.720 and the amount

00:38:54.100 of pre-writing

00:38:54.760 you gotta stick

00:38:55.220 in the teleprompter

00:38:55.960 is very very different

00:38:57.440 than the amount

00:38:57.860 of riffing

00:38:58.260 that you do

00:38:58.700 on a podcast

00:38:59.360 people want

00:39:00.380 conversational

00:39:00.980 on a podcast

00:39:01.520 they want to get

00:39:01.880 a window in your mind

00:39:02.640 they want to see

00:39:03.020 how your mind works

00:39:03.960 and so that's the fun

00:39:05.380 I mean very often

00:39:06.280 on a podcast

00:39:06.880 I'll pull a topic

00:39:08.320 and I have not

00:39:09.640 necessarily fully thought

00:39:10.800 through the entire topic

00:39:11.800 and I will consider

00:39:12.580 on air

00:39:13.240 how the you know

00:39:14.800 how the various

00:39:15.460 permutations of this topic

00:39:16.560 work

00:39:16.800 people want to think

00:39:17.960 through the entire issue

00:39:19.000 with you

00:39:19.600 and I think

00:39:19.940 that's the great fun of it

00:39:21.380 so rehearsal

00:39:22.040 is sometimes

00:39:22.740 the enemy

00:39:23.180 of a good podcast

00:39:24.400 and there are good podcasts

00:39:25.740 that you know

00:39:26.660 are built around

00:39:27.960 very scripted stuff

00:39:29.000 the kind of NPR

00:39:29.860 New York Times Daily

00:39:31.020 kind of stuff

00:39:31.440 but I think

00:39:32.440 that for long form

00:39:33.160 podcasting

00:39:33.740 people just want

00:39:34.300 to deep dive

00:39:34.860 into your thought process

00:39:36.580 and wait

00:39:37.880 before you get

00:39:38.360 to your second point

00:39:38.920 you are so funny

00:39:39.880 I didn't know

00:39:40.740 you were this funny

00:39:41.300 when I listened to the show

00:39:41.980 can you do your little

00:39:43.060 I can't do the trail

00:39:44.500 on the racist

00:39:45.720 and sexist

00:39:46.740 system

00:39:47.620 yeah

00:39:48.000 every time

00:39:50.120 every time

00:39:50.500 Democrats accuse

00:39:51.220 somebody of

00:39:51.740 racism

00:39:55.080 it's

00:39:56.180 it's

00:39:57.340 it's so

00:39:57.900 over the top

00:39:59.000 yeah

00:39:59.180 this is

00:39:59.700 by the way

00:40:00.340 this is one of the things

00:40:01.240 that's wonderful

00:40:01.800 about podcasting

00:40:02.680 is when you're doing

00:40:03.520 you know

00:40:03.880 a hit

00:40:04.200 on Fox

00:40:05.280 for five minutes

00:40:05.880 you might be able

00:40:06.700 to throw out

00:40:06.980 a one liner

00:40:07.480 or two

00:40:07.880 and usually

00:40:08.740 you have to

00:40:09.080 sort of

00:40:09.280 pre-think them out

00:40:09.900 because you have

00:40:10.240 five minutes

00:40:10.800 but you have a chance

00:40:11.920 to be sort of

00:40:12.380 naturally entertaining

00:40:13.240 and fun

00:40:13.520 your personality

00:40:14.080 comes out a lot more

00:40:15.200 when you're on the air

00:40:16.000 for a long period of time

00:40:17.300 without serious commercials

00:40:18.780 because if you're doing commercials

00:40:19.640 you're usually reading them

00:40:20.580 and you can inject the humor

00:40:22.040 into the commercials too

00:40:22.980 I listen

00:40:23.880 I find it fun

00:40:24.580 I think that the media

00:40:25.600 like I love this medium

00:40:26.720 this medium is my favorite medium

00:40:28.180 it is not close

00:40:28.940 and it also gives me the opportunity

00:40:31.380 to talk at length

00:40:32.220 with people I disagree with

00:40:33.140 which is a lot more fun

00:40:34.220 than the sort of

00:40:34.860 rock'em stock'em robots

00:40:35.840 that you get on TV

00:40:36.940 I think

00:40:37.300 yeah

00:40:38.220 well you're

00:40:39.260 forging the way forward

00:40:40.600 and I'll just draft right behind you

00:40:41.900 because I love listening to you

00:40:42.980 and I'd love if I could

00:40:43.840 build an audience

00:40:44.780 anything like yours Ben

00:40:45.820 it's such a pleasure

00:40:46.700 having you in my life

00:40:47.640 and thank you for the

00:40:48.540 mentorship

00:40:49.520 on the podcasting world

00:40:51.300 for their updates to follow

00:40:52.980 well

00:40:53.920 can't wait to see what you do

00:40:55.080 because I think it's going to be

00:40:55.740 super exciting

00:40:56.320 thank you my friend

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 01, 2020

Ben Shapiro on Trump and Biden, Bullying, and Leaving California ｜ Ep. 3

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