Best of the Week： ABC's Terrible Debate Moderators, Taylor Swift's Endorsement, Feminization of Men
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After watching the Democratic Debates, Megyn Kelly and her guest host, Buck Sexton, discuss how the ABC moderators let this thing go completely off the rails. Plus, our friends from the 5th column join us to talk about the Taylor Swift endorsement and why she's annoying.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's weekend
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best of special. My goodness, it was a busy week. I was with the all-in podcast guys on
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Monday in LA and then Tucker Carlson in Kansas City, Missouri on Thursday. And then on Tuesday
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night, we were all together, you and I, after that ABC presidential debate. Did you watch?
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Hello. If you missed it, you can see our instant reaction live from this set as well as analysis
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from Emily Jashinsky and Rich Lowry. It went totally viral. My goodness, that thing was
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everywhere. You'll see why in the clip that we selected for today. Plus, Buck Sexton was with
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me to break down one key moment from the debate that showed how the ABC moderators let this thing
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go completely off the rails. Plus, our friends from the fifth column, they're always fun. They
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joined me to talk about the Taylor Swift endorsement. Man, she's annoying. As well as reaction that we
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are seeing from focus groups to this debate didn't actually go so swimmingly as the mainstream would
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have you believe. At least, that's not what the instant reaction was. They were pretty skeptical,
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actually, as it turns out, of Kamala Harris's performance. And Adam Carolla joined us when we
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were out in L.A. to talk about the feminization of men in America and so much more. Enjoy and talk to
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you Monday. Well, I watched it. Did you watch it? I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm ashamed of those
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moderators at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC News
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is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris that is responsible for Kamala Harris and her husband
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meeting. And they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight. It was three against one on that debate stage this
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evening. Hi, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. A special program tonight for you reacting to the debate. It was
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three against one. It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are
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entirely on your side. Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was like
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three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent. And Trump tried to take them all on. He did fine.
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He did his best as he could. He was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily
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defensive. And he was getting angry. And so was I. Were you? This was a mistake to trust ABC News
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with this debate. The Republicans must learn from this mistake. The same way the Democrats never,
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never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust. This should be the last time
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the Republicans ever do this. Because those two moderators tried to sink Donald Trump tonight.
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The numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said. None. I don't remember a single
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fact check of anything she said. And she lied repeatedly. She just got away with it. In the
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moderator's eyes, that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her. That's correct. Except you didn't
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employ that same tactic when it came to Trump. And you accused him of lying even when it was your
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opinion that he lied. When Trump tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by a whisker
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was him being sarcastic. David Muir actually injected saying, I didn't hear sarcasm. Who gives a shit
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what you heard? Who died and left you political analyst in chief? You're supposed to be the objective
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news anchor of world news tonight. That's a comment you make to your significant other, David. Not on
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the debates. It didn't sound like that to me. Shut up. That is inappropriate. It's not for you
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to make that call. Leave it up to Kamala Harris. Leave it up to people like me who will play the sound
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bite and let the audience decide. But you were out of line and they did it to him over and over and over
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again. And the worst, the worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC news, which was
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as follows. Mr. Trump, you said something incredibly controversial and terrible. Let me remind you of
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what it was. Do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were? Trump answers. Vice
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President Harris, how bad is Trump? And then she'd answer. It happened over and over again. That was the
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format. Mr. Trump, you're a piece of shit. Kamala Harris, isn't he a shit? Thank you. It was
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incredible. And then anything Trump said, fact check, fact check, fact check. And their fact checks were
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full of shit. I'm swearing even more than normal right now because I'm mad. I'm angry. I'm angry at
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them, at ABC, at my industry that I want nothing to do with. And I, I've never been happier to be
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outside and be able to say how I truly feel. And yes, even with some colorful words, because
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that's what the situation calls for. They're trying to steal this election. They're openly working
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to sink him. I don't, I think it was so bad. Their, their bias against him and toward her
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that it's going to backfire. I actually think the American public is going to see through this
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and there's probably going to be some empathy for Trump. No fair minded person could think
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anything other than that. They were in the tank for him. And it was three against one on that stage
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I've never seen anything like it, rich. I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential
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debate level. Well, it continues a theme of this race, right? They've been completely in the tank for
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Kamala Harris and the moderators on the debate stage were completely in the tank for Kamala Harris.
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And you just, you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check,
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when Trump was talking about abortion and was talking about, he misspoke in this instance,
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he got it right later when he said the West Virginia governor, the former, he meant the
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former Virginia governor had talked about abortions after birth, right? And he didn't say in any state
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has abortions after birth. He just said the governor had said this, which is a correct statement.
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And then he's fact checked by saying, oh, Mr. Trump, there's, there's no state in America that has
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abortion after nine months. Actually, there are a few instances in Minnesota. He was correct about that
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as well. But this is a point, the fact check was incorrect, right? And this is why debate moderators
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shouldn't fact check. You know, the CNN moderators did not fact check because what you think the fact
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is in that moment may be subjective. You may be wrong and you're tilting the playing field. And
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certainly to fact check one candidate and never fact check the other. She, she did the Charlottesville
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lie that the both, both sides are fine. People lie, no fact check. She did the bloodbath lie. He clearly
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didn't mean that, you know, that the country is going to be, um, there are going to be riots in the
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street. If he's not elected, he was an economic statement, no fact check. So the moderators were
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disgraced. It's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night. Uh, one was he
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took a lot of bait from, from Kamala Harris. They didn't need to. The other was the, the horrendous
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moderation. Agree. He took bait. He shouldn't have taken. He was defending himself on the pandemic.
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He, he was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him
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onto something that was more offensive. That was a tactical error by him. But I do want to just spend a
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minute on this fact check you just mentioned. Here it is. Here's the moment we're referring to
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where Lindsay Davis, helpfully fact check Trump on this abortion claim. They have abortion in the
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ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor
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of West Virginia, not the current governor is doing an excellent job, but the governor before he said,
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the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute the
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baby. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.
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Okay. That's not true. And maybe she can use the word kill. It's, it's not like somebody's sticking
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a knife in the dead baby, in the, in the alive baby as it's dying, Emily. But you and I both know
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that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere, if you are trying to abort a baby in the ninth month or
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otherwise, and it's born instead of dying in the mother's womb, they will let that baby sit on the
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table and die. And Trump's claim though, Rich is right. He said at first West Virginia, later he
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corrected himself to Virginia. Their former governor, Ralph Northam said this on camera, admitted to this.
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Boy, uh, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. Um, the infant would be
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delivered. Uh, the infant would be kept comfortable. Uh, the infant would be resuscitated if, if that's
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what the, uh, mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians
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and the mother. So I'll give you one other Roger Severino. He's with the heritage foundation
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tweeting out the following Harris. And as it turns out, Lindsay Davis is dead wrong. Some babies do
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survive abortions and can be saved, but are denied life saving treatment, including under Tim Walsh's
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watch. Harris even voted against the born alive abortion survivors protection act to defend that
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would have defended the lives of these babies, their right to live once born unconscionable.
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Trump didn't say any of that. Okay. He tried, but the nerve of this moderator to inject herself
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into it without any of this. That's for you, Emily. Here's what I find, here's what I find
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especially infuriating about that. She chose, she editorialized with all of the sanctimonia in the
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world, uh, to say that word, to focus in on that word, quote, execute. I don't know if she knows any of
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the context that you just provided, which is all completely accurate and known to people who
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follow the news closely, uh, unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing your job, which is
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obviously the case here, but she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true. You can't
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execute. You can't kill babies. I mean, actually it depends on whether or not you consider having a
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baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care. If you, if you don't consider that
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an execution, okay. But she is injecting here to quibble editorially and she doesn't have a leg
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to stand on, on this particular issue. There are obvious moments where Kamala Harris could have been
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fact-checked just as any candidate could. I don't object to them fact-checking Donald Trump. I object
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to them fact-checking, as Rich said, period. Um, you know, we didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden,
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talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons, namely because of Biden, but we also really saw
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them sink into the background of that debate. It was the opposite. In this case, they were
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constantly injecting themselves constant fact checks. Didn't get a fact check on IVF project
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2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out, nothing on Charlottesville. Even when Snopes had fact-checked
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what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville that Kamala Harris repeated, nothing on abortion,
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nothing on that bloodbath comment. They just let it all go and just went straight for Trump. It was all him,
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none, nothing, not, not one fact-check on Kamala Harris. But Emily, what you point out gets to
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the insanity of it. If she was going to be strictly accurate in her fact-check, she would have said,
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well, it's, it's not technically an execution because you're not affirmatively killing the
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child. Instead, after the child's born, you're just giving the child comfort care and not the
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medical care that might be necessary to save him or her. That's an opinion, right? That's a debate
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answer. And, and so, but instead they do it under the guise of a fact-check, which gives it this,
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this authority, it doesn't deserve that they're using that, uh, by the grace of them sitting there
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as, as moderators. It's a total abuse of their role. Yeah. And the same thing on Trump's attempt
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to claim that when he said on a podcast that he lost the 2020 election by a whisker, he, I said this
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on my show today, you guys, I said, if I were asking the questions tonight, I would ask him about
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that and about the fact that he sat on a podcast last week, he lost by a whisk by a whisker. And
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you should bring that up. And that's fine to bring that up, which they did. And I was actually surprised
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by Trump's answer. I was being sarcastic and I'm going to be honest. I don't know that he was being
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sarcastic in that answer either. I didn't detect the sarcasm myself. That's not appropriate as a fact
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check David Muir. I wanted to do this since the debate, because my, I share your frustration about
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Trump on immigration in particular, and there's just so many opportunities for him to shove it down
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her throat. And he tried to bring it up, but it just didn't do the most effective job of it.
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But I've, I have this little bit I'm going to show you with these sound bites. It's just a,
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it's a run. It's just this one Q and a, it went for two minutes, but I, I sliced and diced it.
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So you can see, we can forensically go through just how effed up the whole thing was this clip.
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I'm going to show these clips to show you how bad David Muir was, how frustrating Kamala Harris was
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and how frustrating Trump was, which is why we're all feeling so frustrated about this debate. Those of
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us who do not want to see this woman ascend to power, uh, in the presidency. So let's,
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let's go to the issue of when they did ask Kamala Harris about what took you so long to try to do
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anything about the border, right? Six months before the election, Joe Biden puts a, puts a bandaid in
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place to try to look like, Oh, we've got control of the border. We all knew why he was doing that.
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He doesn't care about the border for all the reasons you just espoused. So here's the question
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to Harris. My question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before
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the election to act? And would you have done anything differently from president Biden on this?
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Okay, good question. Why did, why did it take so long? And would you have done anything differently?
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Here we go. Fair question. Let's hear what she has to say.
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So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations,
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John Wayne, for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States
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Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with
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a border security bill, which I supported. And I'm going to actually do something really unusual.
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And I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really
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interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional
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characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also
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notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.
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So she pivots off of one of the most important issues in the country today.
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Why didn't you do anything about this? And would you have done anything differently than your boss
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to his rallies? And we all knew what was going to happen because she was like something shiny over
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here. And Trump, that is his trigger spot, his rallies, his crowd sizes, ran like Strudwick after the
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liver snaps when I throw them on the side lawn, ran for it with gusto. Here he is.
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People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history
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of politics. That's because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost.
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Okay, so then you're like, please pivot back to the issue. Please, Trump, bring it back to
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immigration. Like shove all those facts that you just said down her throat. He could have brought up
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Lake and Riley. He could have brought up the families he's been spending time with at the
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border whose daughters have been killed at age 12 by these illegals crossing into America.
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He went a different way, which it was an issue and it's fine to talk about. It was not the best
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issue. Here's where he went. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States.
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And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns
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don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the
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dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people
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that live there. And this is what's happening in our country.
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Now David Muir comes in to save the day more. Oh, here I am, objective fact checker. I'm going
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to hammer Orange Man. Watch. I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio,
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and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports
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of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant
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community. I've seen people on television. Let me just say here, this is the people on television
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saying my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that. And maybe that's a good thing
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to say for a city manager. I'm not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the city manager.
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The dog was eaten by the people that went there. Again, the Springfield city manager says there's
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no evidence of that. Vice President Harris. Now the moderator is arguing with Trump over a city
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manager in Springfield, Ohio versus what Trump has seen on television. By the way, that's why you
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should not fact check a thing that is in dispute and has not been settled, David Muir. But things
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are spinning off the rails. How far away are we right now from the Joe Biden immigration policies and
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whether she would have done anything differently? So now he turns to Harris. This is your opportunity,
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David Muir, to get this thing back on track and look at her and say, the question, madam,
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was, would you have done anything differently than Joe Biden did? He does turn to Kamala Harris
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and this is what happens. So I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.
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You talk about extreme. What? That's not the fucking toss.
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This is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the endorsement
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of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain,
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including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney.
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The toss to her is not, would you have anything to say? I'll just follow up. Would you like to
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respond? It's, you didn't answer the question. You talked about rallies. And of course, what does
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she say? Nothing about immigration. All these Republicans love me. He's unhinged. This is why
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we felt sick when this thing was over. Well, this also shows you, and I like that you broke it up in
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that way. It's very clear that Kamala Harris memorized different little speeches and responses.
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And her whole game plan was get to speech A, get to speech B, had nothing to do and avoid,
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of course, actual policy discussion, which is, which is what happened, happened there. That was,
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you know, I'll be honest with you, Megan, like I'm having a little, little flashback trauma to
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watching that just because. Me too. Me too. That was, if these are two boxers in a ring,
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that was Kamala Harris, unsteady on her legs, ready for the knockout blow and Trump going off
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into the corner and doing a little dance and waving, you know, to people in the crowd. I,
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that, that for me, and, and she, and it just makes me so mad because she knew exactly what she was
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doing and it worked. Okay. You and I, it worked. She was able to work like a charm, work like a charm
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and Trump went right for it. And, but you know, the other side of it. And I, I know that there's,
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there's a lot of people who like, they think everything Trump does is great. I'm not one of
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those people. I do like Trump a lot and support, uh, you know, his presidency with, with all that I
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can. Um, he's not a, he's a great presenter and entertainer. He's not a skilled debater. Those are
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different skill sets. You and I know, like there are people who feel like, Oh, so-and-so is so good.
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So good on current events. I'm like, they read off a piece of glass. They don't know anything.
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Right. I mean, they're, they're even within media, people can have different areas of competency or
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lack thereof. Same thing in politics. Um, but I do think that because of the, I don't know if
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persecution narrative is the right way to put it, but because of the sense that everything is always
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stacked against Trump by the establishment, this very much plays into that. Trump has never had a
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great debate performance, you know, has never had a great debate performance. And yet still won.
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Well, which one, I mean, I thought he was good. Oh, I'm thinking about general election debates,
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but yeah, I mean, that's, he's very good and funny when he has, what was amazing about Trump
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in the general election, I'm sorry, in the primary against Republicans was how much he was able to
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command the stage, right? Like you've got eight other people there or whatever it was. And it was
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like Trump and really nobody else was there. And that's like a superpower, right? I mean, really most of
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the time you have all these, these politicians, like, excuse me, like, I, you know, they look like
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the kid in the class who really wants to get in and answer all the questions. And it's just not a
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Trump just stands there. And with limited time was always the center of attention, no matter where he
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was. And he was actually center stage because he was first in the polls in general elections. I mean,
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I'd have to think back. I don't think he did a great job against Hillary Clinton in the debate.
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I think he had an amazing campaign and obviously won that. I can't say that he did a great job
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against Joe Biden to memory. I'd have to go back and look at it the first time around.
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He obviously had a knockout blow against Biden this time around, but it wasn't that really just
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Joe Biden? It wasn't really him. It was Joe Biden. He was good. I mean, Trump, Trump didn't step on
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it, but this time around, I was expecting something better. But I also think the debates,
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I agree with you. I think people understand how unfair this was. I do think people understand how
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unfair this was. And I don't think this, this debate is going to move the polls and we'll get to
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people who disagree with me. Um, we've got some of that sound queued up, but, but this Trump has
00:23:33.680
been spending time with grieving families whose kids were killed by illegals. He knows, he knows
00:23:41.420
these facts. It's just, he's driven by whatever he's seen on TV most recently, but we have been
00:23:47.060
covering, I mean, look at this sound, but he went down, uh, to the border and he met with moms who
00:23:53.580
talked about the murder of their daughters. Watch this daughter was just 12. She had dreams to be
00:24:03.380
famous. She wanted to be a famous actor. June 17th was the day her life was taken. She was left with
00:24:11.120
no clothing from the waist down. He was thrown in a bayou, left
00:24:18.200
strangle to death. We believe, yes, she was assaulted. They had no reason to do anything that
00:24:30.740
they did to Jocelyn. There was over 300 detention beds that they should have been at because they
00:24:37.000
were detained and they were released when they shouldn't have been released. And one had an
00:24:43.280
ankle monitor, didn't stop anything. So now I have to go through the rest of my life
00:24:50.640
with my son, always asking for his sister. Please take into consideration how important
00:24:58.940
border control is because we're losing very innocent people. It's a heinous crime. Please
00:25:07.280
help him make a change. This poor woman, her name is Alexis Nungare. Her daughter was Jocelyn.
00:25:16.220
There was another mom down there, Patty Morin, talking about her daughter's murder.
00:25:20.060
And both of the suspects had illegally entered the United States this year. They were released
00:25:27.800
into the country. Uh, they, one had claimed he feared for safety if he'd been sent back to Venezuela.
00:25:33.480
The other was fitted with an ankle monitor, but removed it after it was determined. He had no
00:25:44.280
Doug Grunt, my husband, he doesn't react to that much in the news. And when, so when it gets
00:25:47.440
his attention, I know that something's gone either very right or very wrong. And he did not like this
00:25:52.540
clip from Tim Walz reacting to the Taylor Swift news. Watch.
00:25:57.080
Taylor Swift signed childless cat lady. Um, I have to get your response to that, Mr. Governor.
00:26:07.100
All those things. I am incredibly grateful. First of all, to Taylor Swift. I say that also as a cat
00:26:11.920
owner, a fellow cat owner, uh, you heard it. We know that it's there. That was eloquent and it was
00:26:18.180
clear. And that's the type of courage we need in America to stand up. Okay. So for the listening
00:26:24.460
audience, when he first reacted, his mouth was like this. Yeah. And my husband said,
00:26:29.520
he looks like Elmer Fudd. That's what he looks like. Elmer Fudd. Like there's something off about
00:26:34.000
this guy. Um, and just one more for you. Different, but similar, uh, reaction from Lawrence O'Donnell
00:26:42.760
on MSNBC. The Harris for president campaign now has the two most perfectly timed and most important
00:26:52.560
endorsements of this campaign. Joe Biden's 27 minute timed endorsement after he said,
00:27:00.820
I'm not the candidate. Perfect timing. It just put a rocket on, on her, uh, to the nomination.
00:27:06.300
And it's so important, I think, to the people who are going to be consuming that Taylor Swift
00:27:10.800
endorsement, including those fathers of eight year old girls. And the timing on it is absolutely
00:27:16.420
exquisite. The wording of it is flawless and perfect right down to the cat lady stuff.
00:27:22.780
There you go. The fathers, that's you guys. The fathers of the young girls
00:27:26.700
are going to be pushed. I know. I mean, I don't really get it, but perfect.
00:27:32.380
First of all, I don't, um, two comments, two very important comments that, uh, everyone should
00:27:37.420
pay attention to. Uh, I really cannot stand on cable news when people pretend that something's
00:27:42.680
funny because someone important is on. He said, I got my cat owner too. And I was like, Oh my God,
00:27:47.300
that was amazing. Tim Waltz, the Richard Trotter of Minnesota. That's the first very important thing.
00:27:53.740
It makes me sick. Uh, the second thing is I don't like the Joe Biden. That was the rocket.
00:27:58.600
Uh, first I was at the DNC. I don't remember that rocket taking off. And then the fathers of eight
00:28:05.800
year old girls, my daughter is 13. And as you could imagine, she's perfect and hilarious and
00:28:10.740
everything that said, I don't look to the people that she listens to on her Spotify account and say,
00:28:17.740
who are they going to vote for? That's what I really want to know. Because you know, sometimes
00:28:22.580
it's Freddie Mercury and he doesn't have a choice right now. I have an 11 year old son. That's my
00:28:28.200
youngest. And all the people he listens to sing about poop and farts. That's really
00:28:32.440
like, there's a lot of songs on their urine too. That's fine. But there's a lot of stuff. This is
00:28:40.300
these are not our political, um, you know, opinion makers. Go ahead, Matt. DJ Scato.
00:28:46.180
Yeah, I want to have a talk with him. My daughter is a 16 year old Swifty. My other daughter is becoming a
00:28:56.200
Swifty. She's nine. Uh, and, uh, she's not going to be moved even a millimeter by this. She's moved
00:29:03.000
by as all 16 year old girls are by, uh, hilarious Tik Tok videos having to do with like skibbity
00:29:08.680
Rizzlers and things like that. Um, and Melania Trump, uh, Melania Trump is an absolute hero to 16
00:29:15.540
year old girls. I think she's fantastic. True. Uh, well, today's a 16 year old girl, but I could
00:29:20.840
see it. She's a hero to me too. Yeah, me too. Oh, that's pretty cool. They've forgotten that
00:29:28.740
she's our hottest first lady by a lot, exciting clothes in like, like Abigail Adams, nothing,
00:29:34.840
please. I'm on the record. I don't believe you as long as possible. But Jill Biden on the cover as
00:29:42.740
our special icon. We're supposed to be looking up to Jill Biden. Remember Jill Biden? Remember Joe
00:29:46.780
Biden? Um, yeah, he's still president. FYI. I don't know if you're aware here is another attempted.
00:29:54.560
Um, well, it's Trump who's doing the fact check, but I can't believe David Muir had the nerve
00:30:00.280
to say this about the crime stats. Watch this. Stop nine.
00:30:06.380
Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made
00:30:14.180
crime in this country is through the roof and we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime
00:30:19.660
and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible. President Trump, as you know, the FBI
00:30:23.820
says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country, but they were defrauding
00:30:29.500
statements. They, they didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the cities with the
00:30:34.900
worst crime. It was a fraud. That is totally correct. What Trump said in response, he was
00:30:42.860
having to fact check the moderator. Gents fact check the moderator. Not only is he right. They
00:30:49.320
did remove the major cities, several of them from that crime study that that was referenced. But on top
00:30:54.860
of that, the decrease in violent crimes is looking at all post George Floyd. If you want to compare
00:31:01.640
present day year, present year to 2019 pre George Floyd, there is not, we are not down. We are,
00:31:09.880
we are up considerably. And Heather McDonald has been pointing this out and pointing out if you
00:31:13.840
want to go back even further and look at the Ferguson effect after 2014 and compare where we
00:31:18.140
were prior to Ferguson versus now again, we've skyrocketed, none of which would be offered by
00:31:23.720
David Muir. But what do you make to, of the fact that Trump had to fact check, not only Kamala,
00:31:28.100
but the moderators. It didn't help that as Trump always does. Um, he then
00:31:35.600
extends and, uh, his own kind of apocalyptic hyperbole, right? So he's in the same way that
00:31:42.840
like Dana Bash gives Kamala Harris four different things to ways to answer a question, to make it soft
00:31:48.280
on, on her. He gives moderators, especially ones who are keyed up through what I think is peer pressure
00:31:54.000
really from their colleagues industrially to be sort of tough on Trump. So he doesn't abuse his
00:31:58.940
platform. When he says, you know, our country is being destroyed. Israel is going to cease to exist
00:32:04.560
in two years, which he said that Kamala is a communist, his dad's a communist, Joe Biden hates
00:32:10.100
her. Um, a lot of these are, are like jokes. He doesn't know he's alive. Uh, doesn't know he's,
00:32:14.000
that was funny. Um, uh, so like he is giving, uh, in addition to that fact check there, and I, I,
00:32:19.660
I take your word for it, Megan, um, of, uh, his depiction of it, but he's also saying these other
00:32:25.180
things. And so, uh, it, it kind of dulls the impact, right? Donald Trump is never going to come
00:32:30.840
across as the person who's going to be the, the biggest truth teller on any stage. Um, and especially
00:32:36.140
towards the end when he knew, I think that he was kind of, um, uh, scrambling for keeping his head
00:32:40.960
above water in this debate, he sped up and he kept getting more and more hyperbolic in his statements
00:32:47.220
in a way that it just becomes hard to take him seriously. And, and I think, um, even in those
00:32:53.140
things that he was saying about Kamala Harris, she was skillful in not taking the bait herself.
00:32:57.180
She could have said, Oh no, my dad's not a communist. She's like left, left. She left that
00:33:01.420
there. She left a bunch of stuff there, which was very wise. Yeah. Well, she's not capable of doing
00:33:07.140
it. She was like, that is not part of my rote memorization. What card is that on? I do not have
00:33:12.000
it. There were, yeah, there were two grades that we were talking about last night. The one
00:33:16.700
on substance and on style. And I think she did well in style. She backed up and she did,
00:33:20.900
she didn't fall on her face that like we thought we were going to do, she was going to do. But if
00:33:24.620
you, if you look at the David Muir question, there's actually, um, the first four or five
00:33:29.580
words are the key to it. I mean, people kind of forget this. She said, uh, he said, Mr. President,
00:33:35.520
as you know, which is a blatant accusation of lying. I mean, the thing is, is that there's a number
00:33:42.120
of ways. And again, like Matt, I haven't looked at this stuff and looked at it recently. I'm
00:33:46.160
trusting your, um, your take on it, Megan. But there's a number of ways of looking at these
00:33:51.680
statistics, right? Going back to 1993 in New York, when there were over 2000 murders, like,
00:33:55.920
oh, it's down. It's like, yes, but down, where's your starting point? So you can be generous in
00:34:01.380
some sense and say, you know, you're interpreting this a different way. But if you look at it this
00:34:05.060
way, Mr. President, but you're just going out of the block and saying, as you know, Mr. President,
00:34:10.660
that is incorrect. That's a, I don't think you should do that as a moderator. I'm sorry,
00:34:15.760
but I mean, I know. Let me give you some stats. Let me give you some stats because we had Heather
00:34:18.700
McDonald on the show who you can trust implicitly. I mean, Heather does her homework on all things
00:34:24.660
revolving around crime. She's, this is like one of her main beats. And here are some of the,
00:34:29.700
the stats that we pulled in connection with that interview. According to the council on criminal
00:34:33.940
justice comparing 2023 to 2019, the homicide rate, uh, 18% higher in 2023 versus 19 gun assault rate,
00:34:42.880
32% higher, uh, carjacking 93% higher car theft, 105% higher, a Chicago total crime up 55% in 2023
00:34:54.780
robbery up 38% car theft up 22% Memphis homicides up 87%. Um, and as for those, the, the,
00:35:03.920
the one article that the left Rachel Maddow and David Muir are basing their claims on that crime
00:35:10.180
has been falling and that it's at a 50 year low and all and so on and so forth. Um, the guy admits
00:35:16.780
that the major cities were not included in this report. Some major cities, uh, like Chicago and Los
00:35:24.560
Angeles did not report any data. So Trump was right. You don't have to believe Trump. You can believe me.
00:35:30.720
You can breathe, believe Heather McDonald. You can believe the guy who authored the study on which
00:35:34.420
David Muir is basing that claim. You can believe the city, the council on criminal justice. The point
00:35:39.800
is it's not the candidate's job to clean up the moderator's inaccurate questions. This is such
00:35:46.200
bullshit. Again, he was in the foxhole. Everyone was surrounding him firing down at the guy and Trump
00:35:53.540
was trying to put, you know, stop the gunfire at every turn. There was the guy's human and there's
00:35:59.220
only so much he can do. And that's why I watched this thing. And I felt empathy for him. I felt
00:36:05.200
like this is unfair. This is not a fair test of what a president can do and what we should be putting
00:36:12.800
our presidential candidates through in order to get to the office. This is, it's, it's almost cruel.
00:36:20.180
It's just, it's trying to humiliate him. That's how I felt watching it.
00:36:23.520
I just, I keep coming back to the fact that he, even he talked about his expectations of unfairness
00:36:30.900
in the debate. He did not expect them to be fair. He said so in advance. I mean, he said so before the
00:36:35.940
CNN debate as well, and that they were fair. And just, if you know that that is the case, there's
00:36:40.720
two things they probably should have done in the campaign. Insist that there be another debate on Fox
00:36:45.780
News or something like that. So that you at least have this other opportunity and it's already there
00:36:50.800
forced Kamala to do it. And the second thing is, again, you know what the defects of your candidate
00:36:56.400
are. You know that he has difficulty just being disciplined and staying on message that you should
00:37:02.060
laser focus on that. Every question should come. And for every Kamala response, you should go back to
00:37:09.020
the fact that you're in office right now. Why haven't you done it already? You should have said it like
00:37:13.640
twice. You should have said it every single time and then apologize. I know you're at home and you're
00:37:19.300
watching. And I've said this eight times already, but I'll say it again because she is the sitting
00:37:24.000
vice president. They aren't doing the things she promises you that she's going to do that are going
00:37:29.320
to make your life better. What is she waiting for? You can't trust her. That would have worked,
00:37:34.720
but he didn't do it. You should have said he never said that, that you can't trust her. She
00:37:38.000
changes her positions all the time. She makes all these promises, but she doesn't do them while she's in
00:37:41.420
office. His best answer was his closing statement where he did make these points over and over.
00:37:47.040
Here's a highlight. Just started by saying she's going to do this. She's going to do that. She's
00:37:52.600
going to do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been there for three and a half
00:37:58.360
years. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to
00:38:04.280
create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now,
00:38:11.200
go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things
00:38:16.680
you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that
00:38:21.020
the American people don't believe in. We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
00:38:27.460
But I just ask one simple question. Why didn't she do it? Primacy and recency. That's what viewers
00:38:35.460
remember. And here was the CBS focus group of I believe it was Pennsylvania undecideds reacting
00:38:43.140
after the debate. Listen to what came up. She just basically repeated everything that Biden has
00:38:50.920
said in the past. What were your thoughts? She made Donald Trump made a strong closing statement
00:38:59.560
by saying, why didn't they do all the things that she's proposing during the three and a half years
00:39:06.020
that they've been in office? And Biden did this entire moderate stance back in 2020. And she's trying
00:39:14.260
to do it again in 2024. But she didn't talk about her policy changes between 2020 and 2024. Her whole
00:39:22.640
centrist, moderate stance is just a facade. That reminds me a little bit of the post-DNC
00:39:34.860
glow when everybody in the building was just talking about all the joy. Don't you feel joy?
00:39:39.340
You're being joyed on all over your face. And there was a tangible joy or at least a euphoric
00:39:47.100
sense of relief in the audience because they didn't have to pretend that Joe Biden was fit to be president
00:39:52.020
or at least like a good candidate. They had some nice speeches from the Obamas and Oprah Winfrey
00:39:58.120
and stuff. So people were in a good mood. They had a really great DJ, legitimately, playing like
00:40:02.720
Alabama. So there was joy in the building, but they tried to incept the joy as if all of America
00:40:09.060
was feeling it. And no, all of America isn't the people who can get through 75 security checkpoints
00:40:14.640
and into the United Center for a few days. Americans are people who haven't heard from this
00:40:21.340
despised president, right? We know who Trump is. Americans know who Trump is. There's not going
00:40:25.040
to be a lot of new information unless he somehow changes in a certain way. And there's an argument
00:40:29.520
that maybe he's changed a little bit. But they don't really know Kamala Harris as a presidential
00:40:34.100
candidate and aspirant. And as the guy said in the Pennsylvania focus room, we haven't got good
00:40:41.580
explanations at all about how she's changed her mind and how this then impacts what she's going to be
00:40:46.880
like. So that, yes, is the job of a moderator. But it also gives us a sense that maybe there's a cap
00:40:53.320
on, even right now, on a debate that it seems pretty clear that she won. I think most people
00:40:58.500
who watch it will say she won. But the question is, how much of an impact is that going to have
00:41:03.260
on people when you have, on one hand, a lot of those who don't have that natural sense of
00:41:09.180
democratic joy are going to look at the way that this was moderated and presented and feel like this
00:41:14.300
is just continuing the sneering that I'm that I'm reacting against. This is the thing that
00:41:18.720
attracts me to begin with, even if we don't like him and thinks that he colors too much outside the
00:41:23.840
lines or don't like this policy or that part of the Trump coalition and the modern day Republican
00:41:28.640
coalition is a revulsion at kind of elite discourse of journalism, of whatever the elites think that
00:41:35.100
they're trying to do. You're going to put more people in that position. So the DNC bump,
00:41:40.700
there really wasn't one. And within a week or two, it kind of dissipated. I think that she will
00:41:45.080
get a measurable bump, but I think that there's a ceiling on that precisely because of that response
00:41:51.360
and also just because it is, has been a 50, 50 race all along. It's not going to become 80, 20.
00:41:57.120
This is what's interesting. So she won, but what did she win? Did she actually persuade anybody or
00:42:01.340
are there millions of people sitting at home like that guy saying, I did not hear her explain why she
00:42:06.440
flipped on fracking. And I know she flipped on fracking. I did not hear her explain the private health
00:42:10.100
insurance or the guns. She just denied it, but I've seen the sound bites. And here was another
00:42:14.540
person. This is a CNN focus group, um, who got a similar message who had a similar takeaway, like,
00:42:20.660
okay, for all the dazzling, like rhetorical, Oh, you know, you didn't do this and you're terrible
00:42:25.000
and everyone hates you. This was his takeaway. I think it's a him watch. It's important to remember
00:42:31.080
that we are voting for the leader of our country and not who we like the most or who we want in our
00:42:36.560
wedding party, but who is actually going to make our country better. And we're in an incredibly
00:42:42.620
unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before, and we've gotten
00:42:47.340
to see what they would do. And when facts come to facts, my life was better. When Trump was in
00:42:52.340
office, the economy was higher. Inflation was lower. Things were better overall. And now with, um,
00:42:58.120
Kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic. And she's saying she can fix the problems
00:43:04.560
that her administration has caused, but I just don't know if I can afford to take that risk.
00:43:08.860
Were you leaning towards the former president coming in tonight?
00:43:11.600
Probably. And did you have a forum in 2016 or 2020? I did.
00:43:18.180
Interesting. This is the thing that frustrates me. As you know, I heard some people talking about
00:43:23.480
this last night, Republicans, I think Ben Shapiro was talking about, I think he's a pretty good
00:43:27.640
weather vane for, for Republicans in some senses, is that you hear the anger from people. And I know
00:43:34.840
Megan, you said you, you had some sympathy for him, hear the anger at Donald Trump for not seizing on
00:43:40.340
these opportunities. That those were two articulate answers from two different panels on CNN. And I
00:43:45.540
guess the other one was false. But these people who make, you know, good points, and I've heard it
00:43:50.360
before when I'm out in the field talking to people too. And if you're a Republican, you have to say,
00:43:55.260
you know, on the immigration issue, why are you talking about cats? Why are you not talking about
00:43:59.180
the border in a more substantial way? You get to it at some point, right? Well, yeah, you get to it
00:44:05.060
at some point, you get to the end. And people did remember that, but they're there at CNN,
00:44:09.820
tasked with watching the whole debate. Is everybody getting through? I was getting exhausted by
00:44:13.720
minute 85. And then he leaves the good stuff for the end. And I'm thinking of it, if I'm in this
00:44:19.440
situation, and the moderators are being this way, you could have so many of those people in those
00:44:24.840
focus groups talking about the good line, not a canned line, but a natural line in the way of
00:44:30.020
like Reagan's, which I think was probably a canned line, there you go again, you know, going after
00:44:34.340
the moderators, like, you know, look at, look at what these people are doing. These are, this is your
00:44:38.480
media. These are the people that are telling you things about me, right? Do you trust these people?
00:44:42.820
Something like that. But when you talk about the crime stats, all you have to do is, is beseech the
00:44:48.600
audience to listen to and say, what's your, what's the nearest city to you? Do you feel that
00:44:53.600
that city's safe? Do you feel like things are better? Do you feel like your groceries are, you
00:44:58.820
know, less expensive than they were under my administration? Just making-
00:45:02.780
Have you gone into a CVS lately? What was your experience?
00:45:05.940
Correct. Everything's locked up. You can't, I mean, I literally, this is actually true. The other night
00:45:09.940
I was in the city, I was trying to get painkillers and I was like, fuck it. I'll, I'll screw it. I'll deal
00:45:14.220
with it because I had to find someone to unlock it. And it's like, no, this is an annoyance in my life
00:45:20.380
that actually kind of matters to me because writ large, it's a big thing. But Donald Trump has
00:45:25.600
absolutely zero discipline. He's so obsessed with personal grievances. As I said, the people
00:45:30.220
saying, oh, it's genius that he mentioned the crowd size. No, it's not genius. I know that.
00:45:35.280
You know that. Everybody knows that. If you put that-
00:45:38.100
But if you look back, but I will say, Moynihan, if you look back at, like I did at the transcript,
00:45:41.100
he, he brings up the economy a lot to his credit. And he did bring up immigration a lot. He did manage
00:45:46.380
to weave both of those things into his messaging throughout. It was just so much shit being
00:45:51.200
thrown at him. It got, it got lost. Here's another, um, this is David Chalian over on CNN
00:45:55.740
talking about a focus group on, um, the economy and watch this.
00:46:00.980
Who better understands problems facing people like you, uh, before the debate, 39% said that
00:46:08.140
about Harris, 43% Trump. And look at how that flips for Harris after the debate, 43% of the debate
00:46:15.300
watchers say that she understands problems facing people like them. 40% say that about Trump. Look
00:46:21.980
at the economy here. Uh, who would you, who would better handle the economy is what we asked going
00:46:27.500
into the debate before the debate. 37% said Harris, 53% Trump after the debate, again, margin of error
00:46:34.760
stuff here, but numerically she lost a little ground. 35% said so after the debate that she would
00:46:39.740
better handle the economy. 55% said Trump. That's the risk and not in just dodging and weaving.
00:46:47.420
If you're her on, on these answers, like she threw out the same nonsense about how she's going to,
00:46:53.160
I don't know, give up people $25,000 loans and she's going to help small businesses.
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People don't buy it. They don't trust her to handle the economy. They know Trump can do it. And I think
00:47:02.780
his last message about, were you better off four years ago? Why hasn't she done anything in these past
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Uncle Joe, the elderly statesman who runs down the middle, was going to just bring us together
00:48:21.940
and we'll get away from the chaos that is Donald Trump. That was the promise four years ago. Then
00:48:27.500
the guy went on a tour where he basically worked race into every single speech, agitating every
00:48:36.820
person that wasn't white, saying white supremacy was the bigger, and doing much more divisive
00:48:42.960
agitation than anyone who came before him. And now we're supposed to believe this isn't going
00:48:49.940
to happen again. I mean, that was just the promise. She's on camera saying be more woke.
00:48:55.400
That's the answer to everything. More woke. Biden at least had the dignity to lie when he was running
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saying, we're just going to tack back toward the middle. We're going to stop. We're going to cool
00:49:08.540
the temp, stop the vitriol, and we'll bring sort of civility and sanity back to the United States.
00:49:15.180
Now, he didn't do any of that, but who knows what he knows, and he's probably just being told to say
00:49:21.160
something. But Kamala, I would have nothing that would lead me to believe that this would happen
00:49:27.780
again. And by the way, how could it if the rules are? So here are the rules on the left. We would like
00:49:38.100
to turn your city into a sanctuary city. We would like to protest on behalf of Hamas. We would like
00:49:45.720
13-year-olds getting their genitalia cutting off. And then if I say something about it, now there's
00:49:51.540
a problem, and now there's agitation. Well, excuse me, crazy person. You can't, if I had a roommate,
00:49:58.080
and he said, you know, my policy is I always leave the refrigerator door open, and I never do my dishes,
00:50:03.800
and I don't flush the toilet. I'd go, well, that's not right. And then he'd go, oh, starting
00:50:09.380
trouble, are we? No unity. No unity for you. It's like, yeah, you come in here with a bunch of crazy
00:50:15.080
ideas and policy that's destructive and hurtful. And when I raise my hand and go, I'm not down with
00:50:20.880
that, then you go, oh, I thought we had unity. They're so divisive. I'm going to bring back unity
00:50:25.340
to the country. This, okay, so enter Ron Howard, who I'm so disappointed in little Opie. So he made
00:50:32.540
the movie, J.D. Vance, Hillbilly Elegy. Worst Metallica song ever. Enter Ron Howard.
00:50:39.840
He made, he made the movie, Hillbilly Elegy a couple of years ago, based on J.D. Vance's bestselling
00:50:45.720
book. And good for him for making the movie, even though at that point we knew that J.D. Vance,
00:50:50.240
you know, seemed to be more Republican leaning, but more of a Trump whisperer at that point who could
00:50:54.340
explain the white working class as opposed to, you know, it's fine to be a Republican
00:50:58.280
as long as you're never Trump Republican. And so he makes this movie about him. And just
00:51:04.160
like Glenn Close, who felt the need to take a shot at J.D. Vance rather than just keeping
00:51:07.980
her pie hole shut. Oh yeah. She played the mom. She played the mamaw. The mamaw who changed
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his life. And so Ron Howard is asked about this new evil J.D. Vance and whether he regrets
00:51:21.440
making this film. And instead of taking the high road, Adam, you know, like I stand by the
00:51:27.280
storytelling. It was a great American story and I'm not going to weigh in beyond that. That's
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for the voters to decide. He goes full low road. Watch.
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I have been surprised and, you know, and concerned by a lot of the rhetoric, you know, coming out
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of that campaign. Given the experience that I had then, five, six years ago, yeah, I'd say
00:51:52.860
that I've been, you know, surprised. Listen to what the candidates are saying today. That's
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what's really relevant. It's who they are today and make it, make a decision and informed
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one. But then he added more. He gave an interview to Deadline and he said, here's the question,
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by the way, from Deadline. You made an underdog story about a poor young man from a dysfunctional
00:52:14.780
family with a grandmother who would not let him fail. He has evolved from that young man
00:52:19.460
into a polarizing, volatile, conservative. Nice, nice objective question, Deadline.
00:52:25.020
Yeah. I'm sure people have said to you, Ron, what have you unleashed? How do you process
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that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm very surprised and disappointed by much of the rhetoric
00:52:36.300
I'm reading and hearing. People do change and I assume that's the case. So he's surprised,
00:52:42.660
disappointed at the rhetoric, and he's concerned about it and really wants people to listen to
00:52:48.700
what they're saying and then vote accordingly. None of that on the Kamala Harris side. None of
00:52:54.120
that when they called him a Hitler. None of that against the complaints that he's a misogynist
00:52:58.640
to actually, in this case, give the other side and say, you know what? I know he said some things
00:53:03.480
that are controversial, but the man I came to know was raised by strong women who changed his life,
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and I have to believe they had a long-lasting effect on this man. Yeah, well, it's interesting
00:53:16.460
when you think about a guy like Ron Howard because he'll say things I've heard coming out of their
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campaign. Things you read on Variety and USA Today and LA Times and New York Times. There are people
00:53:31.880
in my life who I talk to all the time, they legitimately have no idea about what the story,
00:53:40.380
what the true comments, good people on both sides or whatever. They have no inject bleach.
00:53:45.820
Well, he said inject bleach. I read 10 articles that said, why should I hire, you know, why do I want
00:53:51.580
to vote for a guy who said inject bleach or that, you know, all Muslims were terrorists or something
00:53:55.880
like that. Dictator. Bloodbath. I read he said he was going to be a dictator in bloodbath. I think
00:54:01.340
first day's dictator, second day's bloodbath. But either way, like, why would I? So to be fair to Ron
00:54:07.780
Howard, he may just be reading this stuff in the places he gets his information, which could be the
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LA Times, in which case he would think that that's what they're doing. You know, they go...
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Needs to cast a wider net. J.D. Vance said school shootings were a good thing and he hopes there's
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more of them. Oh, man. Well, I wouldn't vote for that guy. He swims in a swimming pool with a shirt
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on. I'm not voting for him. So Ron is probably in the bubble. The bubble gets their info from within
00:54:43.640
the bubble. And many of them legitimately do not have any idea what is going on outside of that group.
00:54:53.160
And when they get their information from CNN, but it could be ABC or NBC, it doesn't have to be,
00:55:01.100
you know, MSNBC. They get their version of he said school shootings were a nice thing and then they
00:55:09.900
believe it and then they form their opinions. Now, what is kind of on them is everyone needs to be a
00:55:17.820
little more dubious. You know what I mean? Like when you hear that headline...
00:55:21.920
Yes. At this point, you know the media is lying to you about Trump. You must know this.
00:55:27.520
Yeah. And it's a little bit of a two-way street. You'll see conservative things come out that says,
00:55:34.100
you know, Tim Walls said the Holocaust was a good thing, you know? And I go,
00:55:39.620
probably said something about the Holocaust, but I don't think he... The right media doesn't do it
00:55:45.820
nearly as much. And the left, that's what they do. That's their thing is twisting stuff. But
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as a person that consumes information and then has to report it, you know, on the air,
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you have to kind of put on your hat that has a big question mark on it and kind of go,
00:56:05.120
let me look into this a little more. Like even if... Look, if J.D. Vance thought school shootings
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were good, why would he say that into a microphone in front of a crowd?
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You know what I mean? Like that's something. He wouldn't do it even if he thought that. So
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let me go back and watch the tape. And they don't do it.
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The number of flip-flops that she's done, I think the left has heard about these. They just don't
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care. They like the original positions. They believe her, that her values haven't changed. They
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know she's got to say they've changed in order to win this election. And over the weekend,
00:56:37.900
one of her campaign spokespeople came out and really put a new spin on it. But I think
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it was a fine spin for the left. They'll go along with this. This is Ian Sams on Thursday,
00:56:49.060
actually. It was on CNN. Take a listen to SOT25.
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She's been part of the Biden administration. I mean, she has been part of the Democratic...
00:56:57.500
Democrats have been in control of the country for the last three going on four years. And you are
00:57:02.120
still seeing this in the polling. I mean, these working class voters are telling us right now that
00:57:05.700
more of them are with Donald Trump than Kamala Harris. Why? What is it about what you guys have
00:57:10.800
been doing for the last three plus years that explains that? Well, I think, again, we're trying
00:57:16.620
to talk to the voters and explain this message. We've got 60 days until the election. You know,
00:57:21.580
we don't have time to sit around and think about why over the last few years, certain things may
00:57:25.460
have happened or may not have happened. You don't? No. Probably his wallet looks pretty good.
00:57:31.480
His trips to the grocery store are not stressful. And this is one of her top people saying,
00:57:36.540
we really don't have time to think about why what happened over the past three and a half years
00:57:39.960
happened. Just vote Kamala Harris. Yeah. So we're at an inflection point, as far as I can tell,
00:57:46.760
which is sort of Subaru good vibes taking over Ford tough, you know, built Ford tough and
00:57:55.920
Subaru's are built with love. Right. And the people like us go, I I'm just a brass taxer. I want to
00:58:04.480
know all the information and all the policy, but there's enough. And I think, I think what it is,
00:58:12.720
is enough men have sort of slid over to the good vibes that made with love departments, probably
00:58:19.300
circulating estrogens and too much plastic and our food and low, low, low testosterone.
00:58:24.940
Could be a thing. Oh yeah. No guys are turning into women. No, they are. They're losing all their
00:58:31.660
sperm. They're losing all whatever made them dudes. And so they're not worried about powertrain
00:58:37.240
warranties anymore. They're worried about puppies and love and lesbians and station wagons. So that's
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where we're heading. And the polit, all politicians do is they go, Ooh, we're drifting toward love,
00:58:50.000
you know? So Kamala Harris is all, you know, that's, you know, Joe Biden. Do you think he
00:58:55.360
knows who Dylan Mulvaney is? You think he cares about the trans community? You think he knows any
00:59:00.220
of this stuff? Dylan Mulvaney sat down with Joe Biden, but that doesn't mean no, he doesn't know
00:59:03.840
who he is. He didn't know who he was 10 seconds before that. And still doesn't know. Still doesn't
00:59:08.560
know. The point is, is they lick the finger. Somebody told him we're drifting toward the feminization
00:59:14.340
and the love. And there's more dudes turning into women every day. So I don't mean physically
00:59:21.360
I'm talking about like chemical castration, just, just turning into, into females. And why
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not run on good vibes? So what they're saying, what Kamala's side is saying is, look, we don't
00:59:35.260
need to get into all the nuts and the bolts of the policies and the feds and the reserve and
00:59:40.960
the oil reserves and drilling and fracking border. What are we doing that? We're good
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vibes. He's mean, yells and stands there at looking, looking up various, a Mussolini
00:59:55.500
ask. So we're just running over that. Now, as far as the technical stuff, you know, the
01:00:00.640
actual policies, just, just do what they do in the Subaru commercials. Don't talk about
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That's what I think she's going to do tomorrow night. She's going to do like economy, opportunity
01:00:12.580
economy, and we're going to protect seniors. Right. And we're going to clean up the environment.
01:00:18.380
Right. It's just going to be these sweeping, empty promises. I don't think she's going to
01:00:22.620
drill down on any policies because she's got to stay as close to generic Democrat as she
01:00:28.140
can. Although, I mean, as I discussed with Larry Elder, right now that's not working that
01:00:32.840
well for her, because that latest New York Times Siena poll shows her support is not that
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strong. She's not as strong with traditional voting blocs within the Democratic Party as
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they expected her to be. And the only group she's really doing well with, to your point,
01:00:47.160
is women. The gender gap is real. Harris has got 39 percent of men. Trump has got 56 percent
01:00:55.600
of men. Harris has got 53 percent of women. Trump has got 42 percent of them. But there's
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only so far the sort of interesting message of love and abortion can get you.
01:01:08.180
Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's sort of, to me, it could all be distilled down into the concept
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of a sanctuary city. If you wanted to kind of go, well, what's a feminine thought? What's
01:01:21.560
a masculine thought? You know, you could talk about energy and taxation and borders and things
01:01:26.580
like that. But the cities that went, we are a sanctuary city. All are welcome. All shall
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be treated with dignity and respect and love and have zero plans in place when the buses
01:01:39.620
started pulling up. And now people are splayed out in the parks and the streets and in the gymnasiums
01:01:45.800
where the taxpayers' kids used to play and so on and so forth. That is the actual representation
01:01:53.920
of good vibes policy. It sounds awesome. You know what I mean? We're sanctuary city. Everyone's
01:02:01.080
welcome. No human's illegal. What actually happens when people start spilling into the city?
01:02:07.980
You know what, Adam? I'm listening to you. I'm so annoyed. I'm annoyed because it's like,
01:02:11.600
this isn't feminine. Feminine women are Republicans. Not all of them, but generally the women in
01:02:19.080
the Republican Party tend to be feminine and strong and amazing. And the men more and more
01:02:25.520
are more masculine. And if you look at not all Democrats, a lot of my friends are wonderful
01:02:29.900
Democrats, but the left, the progressive left, this is not what a woman is. This sort of afraid,
01:02:36.900
overly emotional, lead with love and let the illegals, that is the worst kind of feminism
01:02:43.760
I've ever seen. I don't understand these women at all. They don't represent me or any of them.
01:02:49.740
And to be clear, you know, Margaret Thatcher was a female who did not embody these thoughts that we
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speak of. And when I talk about this in private, your name comes up as one of the leaders in the
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clubhouse of females who should not be mistaken for this kind of thinking.
01:03:09.300
Thank you. Yes. It's but it's like, I hate the way it's going. Like the Democrat Party is the party
01:03:15.020
of no spine unless it comes to shutting you up and shoving wokeness down your throat. And the Republican
01:03:21.780
Party has all of the strength and the robust nature that's necessary for governing. But as a result,
01:03:28.160
will be made into demons by that left, which happens to control all of the message boards
01:03:33.840
throughout the country and beyond. That's really what's happening. And they're going to claim
01:03:38.500
feminism and womanhood. These women who are going to vote for Kamala Harris somehow represent like the
01:03:45.060
feminism, like the new feminism in America. And I just reject that. Feminists, what feminists should
01:03:52.740
be is strong, fierce, smart women who stand up for what they believe in, but haven't forgotten the
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glories of being a woman, the wonders of softness and not overly emotionalism, but emotionalism where
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it's that's why men love us. They need a soft place to fall. They need my husband and I go in to see
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like the decorator and we're redecorating a room and it's like the decorators talking about all the
01:04:19.860
wallpapers and the, you know, sofas. And then he gets to the cost and he's like, well, and he looks
01:04:25.760
at Doug when he says what the number is going to be. And Doug's like, well, I don't know. And I'm
01:04:30.640
like, YOLO. Yeah. And, but it works. Like that's how men and women work together. One is more sober
01:04:36.260
and one is more fun or one is more of whatever. They want men out of the picture altogether. All they
01:04:41.840
want is the far left angry woman who's going to emasculate men. I just, all of it is, it makes me recoil.
01:04:48.260
You know, I think what we need to do from a message standpoint, I agree with your soliloquy.
01:04:55.860
What we need to do is as the guy, you know, I'm the guy going at home, diet and exercise. These kids
01:05:04.760
got to get some exercise and know you can't eat taffy for breakfast or whatever. And then I get
01:05:10.080
labeled as the mean one. Fine. Because I'm saying that. And, and I think a lot of the stuff we're
01:05:16.560
talking about that's sort of coming out of conservatism is diet and exercise. And now
01:05:21.980
we're being labeled mean because their personal trainer wants them to watch TV and eat fudge.
01:05:28.540
Right. And I'm saying, I'm not a bad person for suggesting you do things that are good for you.
01:05:35.540
That makes me a good person who doesn't dance like Ellen. But I know you don't like the message.
01:05:41.900
And I know you don't want to get up and do some road work in the morning. And I know
01:05:46.140
you would rather have honey smack cereal than, than a poached egg, but let's not confuse me with
01:05:54.580
someone who's hurting somebody. I'm actually helping somebody. And there was a lot of that. Like for
01:06:00.560
instance, even going way back here in LA, especially, you know, they had an English only in school thing.
01:06:07.520
And then all the nice people were going, they should be taught in their native tongue. And it's
01:06:12.660
like, yeah. And then they graduate and they can't speak English and they can't get a job.
01:06:17.080
So who's the mean one in this, this equation, the guy who says, let them learn English in the
01:06:23.680
first and second grade. And they'll, they'll get fluent in it and they'll move on. And then they
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could get a job or the one, the nice person who's saying, teach them in their mother language.
01:06:32.420
Better to have a couple of rough years when you're seven than when you're 20 looking for a job.
01:06:37.140
I'm saying diet. You're saying Ozempic. You know what I mean? Why am I the bad one in this
01:06:43.880
equation? I'm, you know, um, COVID comes down the pike and I'm saying, lose some weight,
01:06:50.220
get some exercise, get some, and everyone's yelling at me, get vaccinated and stay home.
01:06:54.560
And I'm like, shut the kids, shut the school down. I'm saying, open the school. I'm the bad guy.
01:06:59.900
We're saying, open the school. Now the kids have fallen off. They're way behind depression,
01:07:04.680
suicide, you know, whatever comes along with sheltering in place for two damn years.
01:07:09.880
Why am I the bad guy in this equation? That's the, and then when you are proven right,
01:07:16.100
they move on. They don't admit it. They move on. They may do the same mistakes and a new way forward.
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