The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： ABC's Terrible Debate Moderators, Taylor Swift's Endorsement, Feminization of Men

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's weekend

00:00:15.760 best of special. My goodness, it was a busy week. I was with the all-in podcast guys on

00:00:21.280 Monday in LA and then Tucker Carlson in Kansas City, Missouri on Thursday. And then on Tuesday

00:00:26.500 night, we were all together, you and I, after that ABC presidential debate. Did you watch?

00:00:32.400 Hello. If you missed it, you can see our instant reaction live from this set as well as analysis

00:00:38.960 from Emily Jashinsky and Rich Lowry. It went totally viral. My goodness, that thing was

00:00:43.380 everywhere. You'll see why in the clip that we selected for today. Plus, Buck Sexton was with

00:00:48.240 me to break down one key moment from the debate that showed how the ABC moderators let this thing

00:00:53.580 go completely off the rails. Plus, our friends from the fifth column, they're always fun. They

00:00:58.400 joined me to talk about the Taylor Swift endorsement. Man, she's annoying. As well as reaction that we 1.00

00:01:03.160 are seeing from focus groups to this debate didn't actually go so swimmingly as the mainstream would

00:01:09.240 have you believe. At least, that's not what the instant reaction was. They were pretty skeptical,

00:01:14.040 actually, as it turns out, of Kamala Harris's performance. And Adam Carolla joined us when we

00:01:19.360 were out in L.A. to talk about the feminization of men in America and so much more. Enjoy and talk to

00:01:26.840 you Monday. Well, I watched it. Did you watch it? I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm ashamed of those

00:01:39.960 moderators at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC News

00:01:48.280 is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris that is responsible for Kamala Harris and her husband

00:01:56.260 meeting. And they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight. It was three against one on that debate stage this

00:02:05.280 evening. Hi, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. A special program tonight for you reacting to the debate. It was

00:02:09.800 three against one. It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are

00:02:17.460 entirely on your side. Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was like

00:02:24.200 three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent. And Trump tried to take them all on. He did fine.

00:02:32.320 He did his best as he could. He was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily

00:02:37.940 defensive. And he was getting angry. And so was I. Were you? This was a mistake to trust ABC News

00:02:48.980 with this debate. The Republicans must learn from this mistake. The same way the Democrats never,

00:02:57.680 never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust. This should be the last time

00:03:06.440 the Republicans ever do this. Because those two moderators tried to sink Donald Trump tonight. 0.99

00:03:15.240 The numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said. None. I don't remember a single

00:03:27.160 fact check of anything she said. And she lied repeatedly. She just got away with it. In the

00:03:36.200 moderator's eyes, that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her. That's correct. Except you didn't

00:03:42.760 employ that same tactic when it came to Trump. And you accused him of lying even when it was your

00:03:49.000 opinion that he lied. When Trump tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by a whisker

00:03:56.680 was him being sarcastic. David Muir actually injected saying, I didn't hear sarcasm. Who gives a shit

00:04:05.240 what you heard? Who died and left you political analyst in chief? You're supposed to be the objective 0.99

00:04:12.480 news anchor of world news tonight. That's a comment you make to your significant other, David. Not on

00:04:21.280 the debates. It didn't sound like that to me. Shut up. That is inappropriate. It's not for you

00:04:28.040 to make that call. Leave it up to Kamala Harris. Leave it up to people like me who will play the sound 0.99

00:04:34.020 bite and let the audience decide. But you were out of line and they did it to him over and over and over

00:04:40.740 again. And the worst, the worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC news, which was

00:04:47.600 as follows. Mr. Trump, you said something incredibly controversial and terrible. Let me remind you of

00:04:54.640 what it was. Do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were? Trump answers. Vice

00:05:00.680 President Harris, how bad is Trump? And then she'd answer. It happened over and over again. That was the

00:05:07.820 format. Mr. Trump, you're a piece of shit. Kamala Harris, isn't he a shit? Thank you. It was 1.00

00:05:15.920 incredible. And then anything Trump said, fact check, fact check, fact check. And their fact checks were

00:05:22.560 full of shit. I'm swearing even more than normal right now because I'm mad. I'm angry. I'm angry at 1.00

00:05:29.880 them, at ABC, at my industry that I want nothing to do with. And I, I've never been happier to be

00:05:37.340 outside and be able to say how I truly feel. And yes, even with some colorful words, because

00:05:41.260 that's what the situation calls for. They're trying to steal this election. They're openly working

00:05:49.680 to sink him. I don't, I think it was so bad. Their, their bias against him and toward her

00:05:58.700 that it's going to backfire. I actually think the American public is going to see through this

00:06:03.560 and there's probably going to be some empathy for Trump. No fair minded person could think

00:06:09.120 anything other than that. They were in the tank for him. And it was three against one on that stage

00:06:13.080 tonight. Joining me to discuss it. Emily Jashinsky, DC correspondent for unheard and rich Lowry

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00:07:12.660 I've never seen anything like it, rich. I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential

00:07:17.880 debate level. Well, it continues a theme of this race, right? They've been completely in the tank for 0.99

00:07:22.620 Kamala Harris and the moderators on the debate stage were completely in the tank for Kamala Harris. 0.97

00:07:28.420 And you just, you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check,

00:07:31.640 when Trump was talking about abortion and was talking about, he misspoke in this instance,

00:07:35.280 he got it right later when he said the West Virginia governor, the former, he meant the

00:07:39.220 former Virginia governor had talked about abortions after birth, right? And he didn't say in any state

00:07:46.160 has abortions after birth. He just said the governor had said this, which is a correct statement. 0.98

00:07:50.480 And then he's fact checked by saying, oh, Mr. Trump, there's, there's no state in America that has

00:07:54.780 abortion after nine months. Actually, there are a few instances in Minnesota. He was correct about that 0.96

00:07:58.820 as well. But this is a point, the fact check was incorrect, right? And this is why debate moderators

00:08:04.420 shouldn't fact check. You know, the CNN moderators did not fact check because what you think the fact

00:08:09.620 is in that moment may be subjective. You may be wrong and you're tilting the playing field. And

00:08:14.780 certainly to fact check one candidate and never fact check the other. She, she did the Charlottesville 0.95

00:08:20.440 lie that the both, both sides are fine. People lie, no fact check. She did the bloodbath lie. He clearly

00:08:26.400 didn't mean that, you know, that the country is going to be, um, there are going to be riots in the

00:08:30.440 street. If he's not elected, he was an economic statement, no fact check. So the moderators were

00:08:35.060 disgraced. It's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night. Uh, one was he

00:08:40.920 took a lot of bait from, from Kamala Harris. They didn't need to. The other was the, the horrendous

00:08:45.520 moderation. Agree. He took bait. He shouldn't have taken. He was defending himself on the pandemic.

00:08:50.580 He, he was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him

00:08:55.540 onto something that was more offensive. That was a tactical error by him. But I do want to just spend a

00:08:59.640 minute on this fact check you just mentioned. Here it is. Here's the moment we're referring to

00:09:04.020 where Lindsay Davis, helpfully fact check Trump on this abortion claim. They have abortion in the 1.00

00:09:11.680 ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor

00:09:16.640 of West Virginia, not the current governor is doing an excellent job, but the governor before he said,

00:09:22.560 the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute the

00:09:27.480 baby. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born. 1.00

00:09:32.700 Okay. That's not true. And maybe she can use the word kill. It's, it's not like somebody's sticking

00:09:39.620 a knife in the dead baby, in the, in the alive baby as it's dying, Emily. But you and I both know

00:09:45.480 that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere, if you are trying to abort a baby in the ninth month or

00:09:52.980 otherwise, and it's born instead of dying in the mother's womb, they will let that baby sit on the 0.95

00:10:00.500 table and die. And Trump's claim though, Rich is right. He said at first West Virginia, later he

00:10:05.860 corrected himself to Virginia. Their former governor, Ralph Northam said this on camera, admitted to this.

00:10:13.420 Here is the soundbite.

00:10:14.980 Boy, uh, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. Um, the infant would be

00:10:20.800 delivered. Uh, the infant would be kept comfortable. Uh, the infant would be resuscitated if, if that's

00:10:26.780 what the, uh, mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians

00:10:32.360 and the mother. So I'll give you one other Roger Severino. He's with the heritage foundation

00:10:37.660 tweeting out the following Harris. And as it turns out, Lindsay Davis is dead wrong. Some babies do 0.99

00:10:45.380 survive abortions and can be saved, but are denied life saving treatment, including under Tim Walsh's

00:10:50.400 watch. Harris even voted against the born alive abortion survivors protection act to defend that

00:10:58.760 would have defended the lives of these babies, their right to live once born unconscionable.

00:11:05.880 Trump didn't say any of that. Okay. He tried, but the nerve of this moderator to inject herself 0.96

00:11:14.020 into it without any of this. That's for you, Emily. Here's what I find, here's what I find

00:11:20.720 especially infuriating about that. She chose, she editorialized with all of the sanctimonia in the 0.89

00:11:28.260 world, uh, to say that word, to focus in on that word, quote, execute. I don't know if she knows any of

00:11:34.860 the context that you just provided, which is all completely accurate and known to people who

00:11:40.160 follow the news closely, uh, unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing your job, which is

00:11:45.220 obviously the case here, but she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true. You can't

00:11:49.840 execute. You can't kill babies. I mean, actually it depends on whether or not you consider having a 0.98

00:11:55.900 baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care. If you, if you don't consider that

00:12:02.100 an execution, okay. But she is injecting here to quibble editorially and she doesn't have a leg 1.00

00:12:10.200 to stand on, on this particular issue. There are obvious moments where Kamala Harris could have been

00:12:15.540 fact-checked just as any candidate could. I don't object to them fact-checking Donald Trump. I object

00:12:21.860 to them fact-checking, as Rich said, period. Um, you know, we didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden,

00:12:27.000 talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons, namely because of Biden, but we also really saw

00:12:31.960 them sink into the background of that debate. It was the opposite. In this case, they were

00:12:35.920 constantly injecting themselves constant fact checks. Didn't get a fact check on IVF project

00:12:40.620 2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out, nothing on Charlottesville. Even when Snopes had fact-checked

00:12:47.000 what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville that Kamala Harris repeated, nothing on abortion,

00:12:51.720 nothing on that bloodbath comment. They just let it all go and just went straight for Trump. It was all him,

00:12:56.560 none, nothing, not, not one fact-check on Kamala Harris. But Emily, what you point out gets to

00:13:02.180 the insanity of it. If she was going to be strictly accurate in her fact-check, she would have said,

00:13:06.140 well, it's, it's not technically an execution because you're not affirmatively killing the

00:13:10.080 child. Instead, after the child's born, you're just giving the child comfort care and not the

00:13:14.940 medical care that might be necessary to save him or her. That's an opinion, right? That's a debate

00:13:19.340 answer. And, and so, but instead they do it under the guise of a fact-check, which gives it this,

00:13:24.900 this authority, it doesn't deserve that they're using that, uh, by the grace of them sitting there

00:13:30.720 as, as moderators. It's a total abuse of their role. Yeah. And the same thing on Trump's attempt

00:13:39.020 to claim that when he said on a podcast that he lost the 2020 election by a whisker, he, I said this

00:13:47.100 on my show today, you guys, I said, if I were asking the questions tonight, I would ask him about

00:13:52.940 that and about the fact that he sat on a podcast last week, he lost by a whisk by a whisker. And

00:13:58.920 you should bring that up. And that's fine to bring that up, which they did. And I was actually surprised

00:14:03.680 by Trump's answer. I was being sarcastic and I'm going to be honest. I don't know that he was being

00:14:08.460 sarcastic in that answer either. I didn't detect the sarcasm myself. That's not appropriate as a fact

00:14:14.060 check David Muir. I wanted to do this since the debate, because my, I share your frustration about

00:14:24.560 Trump on immigration in particular, and there's just so many opportunities for him to shove it down

00:14:29.460 her throat. And he tried to bring it up, but it just didn't do the most effective job of it.

00:14:35.520 But I've, I have this little bit I'm going to show you with these sound bites. It's just a,

00:14:39.580 it's a run. It's just this one Q and a, it went for two minutes, but I, I sliced and diced it.

00:14:44.900 So you can see, we can forensically go through just how effed up the whole thing was this clip.

00:14:49.540 I'm going to show these clips to show you how bad David Muir was, how frustrating Kamala Harris was

00:14:57.140 and how frustrating Trump was, which is why we're all feeling so frustrated about this debate. Those of

00:15:01.800 us who do not want to see this woman ascend to power, uh, in the presidency. So let's, 1.00

00:15:06.760 let's go to the issue of when they did ask Kamala Harris about what took you so long to try to do

00:15:13.980 anything about the border, right? Six months before the election, Joe Biden puts a, puts a bandaid in

00:15:19.040 place to try to look like, Oh, we've got control of the border. We all knew why he was doing that.

00:15:24.000 He doesn't care about the border for all the reasons you just espoused. So here's the question

00:15:28.740 to Harris. My question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before

00:15:35.100 the election to act? And would you have done anything differently from president Biden on this?

00:15:41.140 Okay, good question. Why did, why did it take so long? And would you have done anything differently?

00:15:46.500 Here we go. Fair question. Let's hear what she has to say.

00:15:50.940 So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations,

00:15:56.320 John Wayne, for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States

00:16:03.200 Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with

00:16:07.960 a border security bill, which I supported. And I'm going to actually do something really unusual.

00:16:13.600 And I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really

00:16:18.080 interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional

00:16:23.040 characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also

00:16:29.640 notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

00:16:35.280 So she pivots off of one of the most important issues in the country today.

00:16:39.660 Why didn't you do anything about this? And would you have done anything differently than your boss

00:16:43.160 to his rallies? And we all knew what was going to happen because she was like something shiny over

00:16:48.460 here. And Trump, that is his trigger spot, his rallies, his crowd sizes, ran like Strudwick after the

00:16:55.940 liver snaps when I throw them on the side lawn, ran for it with gusto. Here he is.

00:17:02.480 People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history

00:17:06.940 of politics. That's because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost.

00:17:13.800 Okay, so then you're like, please pivot back to the issue. Please, Trump, bring it back to

00:17:18.380 immigration. Like shove all those facts that you just said down her throat. He could have brought up

00:17:23.160 Lake and Riley. He could have brought up the families he's been spending time with at the

00:17:26.160 border whose daughters have been killed at age 12 by these illegals crossing into America. 0.83

00:17:31.020 He went a different way, which it was an issue and it's fine to talk about. It was not the best

00:17:36.040 issue. Here's where he went. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States.

00:17:42.720 And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns

00:17:46.780 don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the

00:17:52.340 dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people

00:17:59.880 that live there. And this is what's happening in our country.

00:18:05.160 Now David Muir comes in to save the day more. Oh, here I am, objective fact checker. I'm going

00:18:10.840 to hammer Orange Man. Watch. I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio, 0.73

00:18:16.180 and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports

00:18:21.280 of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant

00:18:26.260 community. I've seen people on television. Let me just say here, this is the people on television

00:18:29.980 saying my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that. And maybe that's a good thing 1.00

00:18:35.700 to say for a city manager. I'm not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the city manager.

00:18:39.820 The dog was eaten by the people that went there. Again, the Springfield city manager says there's

00:18:45.260 no evidence of that. Vice President Harris. Now the moderator is arguing with Trump over a city

00:18:51.440 manager in Springfield, Ohio versus what Trump has seen on television. By the way, that's why you

00:18:56.260 should not fact check a thing that is in dispute and has not been settled, David Muir. But things

00:19:01.220 are spinning off the rails. How far away are we right now from the Joe Biden immigration policies and

00:19:07.540 whether she would have done anything differently? So now he turns to Harris. This is your opportunity,

00:19:11.740 David Muir, to get this thing back on track and look at her and say, the question, madam,

00:19:15.900 was, would you have done anything differently than Joe Biden did? He does turn to Kamala Harris

00:19:22.080 and this is what happens. So I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.

00:19:26.600 You talk about extreme. What? That's not the fucking toss.

00:19:31.760 This is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the endorsement 0.96

00:19:37.360 of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain,

00:19:45.840 including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney.

00:19:53.280 The toss to her is not, would you have anything to say? I'll just follow up. Would you like to

00:19:59.260 respond? It's, you didn't answer the question. You talked about rallies. And of course, what does

00:20:03.600 she say? Nothing about immigration. All these Republicans love me. He's unhinged. This is why

00:20:09.420 we felt sick when this thing was over. Well, this also shows you, and I like that you broke it up in

00:20:17.000 that way. It's very clear that Kamala Harris memorized different little speeches and responses. 0.99

00:20:25.200 And her whole game plan was get to speech A, get to speech B, had nothing to do and avoid, 0.97

00:20:32.100 of course, actual policy discussion, which is, which is what happened, happened there. That was,

00:20:38.220 you know, I'll be honest with you, Megan, like I'm having a little, little flashback trauma to

00:20:42.420 watching that just because. Me too. Me too. That was, if these are two boxers in a ring,

00:20:48.040 that was Kamala Harris, unsteady on her legs, ready for the knockout blow and Trump going off 1.00

00:20:56.260 into the corner and doing a little dance and waving, you know, to people in the crowd. I,

00:21:00.380 that, that for me, and, and she, and it just makes me so mad because she knew exactly what she was

00:21:06.640 doing and it worked. Okay. You and I, it worked. She was able to work like a charm, work like a charm 0.90

00:21:13.240 and Trump went right for it. And, but you know, the other side of it. And I, I know that there's,

00:21:18.200 there's a lot of people who like, they think everything Trump does is great. I'm not one of

00:21:21.080 those people. I do like Trump a lot and support, uh, you know, his presidency with, with all that I

00:21:25.920 can. Um, he's not a, he's a great presenter and entertainer. He's not a skilled debater. Those are

00:21:32.500 different skill sets. You and I know, like there are people who feel like, Oh, so-and-so is so good.

00:21:37.300 So good on current events. I'm like, they read off a piece of glass. They don't know anything.

00:21:40.600 Right. I mean, they're, they're even within media, people can have different areas of competency or

00:21:46.100 lack thereof. Same thing in politics. Um, but I do think that because of the, I don't know if

00:21:53.400 persecution narrative is the right way to put it, but because of the sense that everything is always

00:21:57.960 stacked against Trump by the establishment, this very much plays into that. Trump has never had a

00:22:04.000 great debate performance, you know, has never had a great debate performance. And yet still won.

00:22:08.980 Well, which one, I mean, I thought he was good. Oh, I'm thinking about general election debates,

00:22:17.360 but yeah, I mean, that's, he's very good and funny when he has, what was amazing about Trump

00:22:21.820 in the general election, I'm sorry, in the primary against Republicans was how much he was able to

00:22:27.040 command the stage, right? Like you've got eight other people there or whatever it was. And it was

00:22:31.580 like Trump and really nobody else was there. And that's like a superpower, right? I mean, really most of

00:22:36.640 the time you have all these, these politicians, like, excuse me, like, I, you know, they look like

00:22:39.800 the kid in the class who really wants to get in and answer all the questions. And it's just not a

00:22:43.280 Trump just stands there. And with limited time was always the center of attention, no matter where he

00:22:48.940 was. And he was actually center stage because he was first in the polls in general elections. I mean,

00:22:52.980 I'd have to think back. I don't think he did a great job against Hillary Clinton in the debate.

00:22:56.760 I think he had an amazing campaign and obviously won that. I can't say that he did a great job

00:23:00.900 against Joe Biden to memory. I'd have to go back and look at it the first time around.

00:23:05.360 He obviously had a knockout blow against Biden this time around, but it wasn't that really just

00:23:10.100 Joe Biden? It wasn't really him. It was Joe Biden. He was good. I mean, Trump, Trump didn't step on

00:23:14.460 it, but this time around, I was expecting something better. But I also think the debates,

00:23:17.580 I agree with you. I think people understand how unfair this was. I do think people understand how

00:23:21.920 unfair this was. And I don't think this, this debate is going to move the polls and we'll get to

00:23:25.560 people who disagree with me. Um, we've got some of that sound queued up, but, but this Trump has

00:23:33.680 been spending time with grieving families whose kids were killed by illegals. He knows, he knows 1.00

00:23:41.420 these facts. It's just, he's driven by whatever he's seen on TV most recently, but we have been

00:23:47.060 covering, I mean, look at this sound, but he went down, uh, to the border and he met with moms who

00:23:53.580 talked about the murder of their daughters. Watch this daughter was just 12. She had dreams to be

00:24:03.380 famous. She wanted to be a famous actor. June 17th was the day her life was taken. She was left with

00:24:11.120 no clothing from the waist down. He was thrown in a bayou, left

00:24:18.200 strangle to death. We believe, yes, she was assaulted. They had no reason to do anything that

00:24:30.740 they did to Jocelyn. There was over 300 detention beds that they should have been at because they

00:24:37.000 were detained and they were released when they shouldn't have been released. And one had an

00:24:43.280 ankle monitor, didn't stop anything. So now I have to go through the rest of my life

00:24:50.640 with my son, always asking for his sister. Please take into consideration how important

00:24:58.940 border control is because we're losing very innocent people. It's a heinous crime. Please

00:25:07.280 help him make a change. This poor woman, her name is Alexis Nungare. Her daughter was Jocelyn. 1.00

00:25:16.220 There was another mom down there, Patty Morin, talking about her daughter's murder.

00:25:20.060 And both of the suspects had illegally entered the United States this year. They were released

00:25:27.800 into the country. Uh, they, one had claimed he feared for safety if he'd been sent back to Venezuela.

00:25:33.480 The other was fitted with an ankle monitor, but removed it after it was determined. He had no

00:25:38.640 known criminal history.

00:25:44.280 Doug Grunt, my husband, he doesn't react to that much in the news. And when, so when it gets

00:25:47.440 his attention, I know that something's gone either very right or very wrong. And he did not like this

00:25:52.540 clip from Tim Walz reacting to the Taylor Swift news. Watch.

00:25:57.080 Taylor Swift signed childless cat lady. Um, I have to get your response to that, Mr. Governor.

00:26:07.100 All those things. I am incredibly grateful. First of all, to Taylor Swift. I say that also as a cat

00:26:11.920 owner, a fellow cat owner, uh, you heard it. We know that it's there. That was eloquent and it was

00:26:18.180 clear. And that's the type of courage we need in America to stand up. Okay. So for the listening

00:26:24.460 audience, when he first reacted, his mouth was like this. Yeah. And my husband said,

00:26:29.520 he looks like Elmer Fudd. That's what he looks like. Elmer Fudd. Like there's something off about

00:26:34.000 this guy. Um, and just one more for you. Different, but similar, uh, reaction from Lawrence O'Donnell

00:26:42.760 on MSNBC. The Harris for president campaign now has the two most perfectly timed and most important

00:26:52.560 endorsements of this campaign. Joe Biden's 27 minute timed endorsement after he said,

00:27:00.820 I'm not the candidate. Perfect timing. It just put a rocket on, on her, uh, to the nomination. 1.00

00:27:06.300 And it's so important, I think, to the people who are going to be consuming that Taylor Swift

00:27:10.800 endorsement, including those fathers of eight year old girls. And the timing on it is absolutely

00:27:16.420 exquisite. The wording of it is flawless and perfect right down to the cat lady stuff.

00:27:22.780 There you go. The fathers, that's you guys. The fathers of the young girls

00:27:26.700 are going to be pushed. I know. I mean, I don't really get it, but perfect.

00:27:32.380 First of all, I don't, um, two comments, two very important comments that, uh, everyone should

00:27:37.420 pay attention to. Uh, I really cannot stand on cable news when people pretend that something's

00:27:42.680 funny because someone important is on. He said, I got my cat owner too. And I was like, Oh my God,

00:27:47.300 that was amazing. Tim Waltz, the Richard Trotter of Minnesota. That's the first very important thing.

00:27:53.740 It makes me sick. Uh, the second thing is I don't like the Joe Biden. That was the rocket.

00:27:58.600 Uh, first I was at the DNC. I don't remember that rocket taking off. And then the fathers of eight

00:28:05.800 year old girls, my daughter is 13. And as you could imagine, she's perfect and hilarious and

00:28:10.740 everything that said, I don't look to the people that she listens to on her Spotify account and say,

00:28:17.740 who are they going to vote for? That's what I really want to know. Because you know, sometimes

00:28:22.580 it's Freddie Mercury and he doesn't have a choice right now. I have an 11 year old son. That's my

00:28:28.200 youngest. And all the people he listens to sing about poop and farts. That's really 0.94

00:28:32.440 like, there's a lot of songs on their urine too. That's fine. But there's a lot of stuff. This is

00:28:40.300 these are not our political, um, you know, opinion makers. Go ahead, Matt. DJ Scato.

00:28:46.180 Yeah, I want to have a talk with him. My daughter is a 16 year old Swifty. My other daughter is becoming a 1.00

00:28:56.200 Swifty. She's nine. Uh, and, uh, she's not going to be moved even a millimeter by this. She's moved

00:29:03.000 by as all 16 year old girls are by, uh, hilarious Tik Tok videos having to do with like skibbity

00:29:08.680 Rizzlers and things like that. Um, and Melania Trump, uh, Melania Trump is an absolute hero to 16 0.85

00:29:15.540 year old girls. I think she's fantastic. True. Uh, well, today's a 16 year old girl, but I could

00:29:20.840 see it. She's a hero to me too. Yeah, me too. Oh, that's pretty cool. They've forgotten that

00:29:28.740 she's our hottest first lady by a lot, exciting clothes in like, like Abigail Adams, nothing, 1.00

00:29:34.840 please. I'm on the record. I don't believe you as long as possible. But Jill Biden on the cover as

00:29:42.740 our special icon. We're supposed to be looking up to Jill Biden. Remember Jill Biden? Remember Joe

00:29:46.780 Biden? Um, yeah, he's still president. FYI. I don't know if you're aware here is another attempted.

00:29:54.560 Um, well, it's Trump who's doing the fact check, but I can't believe David Muir had the nerve

00:30:00.280 to say this about the crime stats. Watch this. Stop nine.

00:30:06.380 Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made

00:30:14.180 crime in this country is through the roof and we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime 1.00

00:30:19.660 and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible. President Trump, as you know, the FBI

00:30:23.820 says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country, but they were defrauding

00:30:29.500 statements. They, they didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the cities with the

00:30:34.900 worst crime. It was a fraud. That is totally correct. What Trump said in response, he was

00:30:42.860 having to fact check the moderator. Gents fact check the moderator. Not only is he right. They

00:30:49.320 did remove the major cities, several of them from that crime study that that was referenced. But on top

00:30:54.860 of that, the decrease in violent crimes is looking at all post George Floyd. If you want to compare

00:31:01.640 present day year, present year to 2019 pre George Floyd, there is not, we are not down. We are,

00:31:09.880 we are up considerably. And Heather McDonald has been pointing this out and pointing out if you

00:31:13.840 want to go back even further and look at the Ferguson effect after 2014 and compare where we

00:31:18.140 were prior to Ferguson versus now again, we've skyrocketed, none of which would be offered by

00:31:23.720 David Muir. But what do you make to, of the fact that Trump had to fact check, not only Kamala,

00:31:28.100 but the moderators. It didn't help that as Trump always does. Um, he then

00:31:35.600 extends and, uh, his own kind of apocalyptic hyperbole, right? So he's in the same way that

00:31:42.840 like Dana Bash gives Kamala Harris four different things to ways to answer a question, to make it soft 0.98

00:31:48.280 on, on her. He gives moderators, especially ones who are keyed up through what I think is peer pressure

00:31:54.000 really from their colleagues industrially to be sort of tough on Trump. So he doesn't abuse his

00:31:58.940 platform. When he says, you know, our country is being destroyed. Israel is going to cease to exist

00:32:04.560 in two years, which he said that Kamala is a communist, his dad's a communist, Joe Biden hates

00:32:10.100 her. Um, a lot of these are, are like jokes. He doesn't know he's alive. Uh, doesn't know he's,

00:32:14.000 that was funny. Um, uh, so like he is giving, uh, in addition to that fact check there, and I, I,

00:32:19.660 I take your word for it, Megan, um, of, uh, his depiction of it, but he's also saying these other

00:32:25.180 things. And so, uh, it, it kind of dulls the impact, right? Donald Trump is never going to come

00:32:30.840 across as the person who's going to be the, the biggest truth teller on any stage. Um, and especially

00:32:36.140 towards the end when he knew, I think that he was kind of, um, uh, scrambling for keeping his head

00:32:40.960 above water in this debate, he sped up and he kept getting more and more hyperbolic in his statements

00:32:47.220 in a way that it just becomes hard to take him seriously. And, and I think, um, even in those

00:32:53.140 things that he was saying about Kamala Harris, she was skillful in not taking the bait herself.

00:32:57.180 She could have said, Oh no, my dad's not a communist. She's like left, left. She left that

00:33:01.420 there. She left a bunch of stuff there, which was very wise. Yeah. Well, she's not capable of doing

00:33:07.140 it. She was like, that is not part of my rote memorization. What card is that on? I do not have

00:33:12.000 it. There were, yeah, there were two grades that we were talking about last night. The one

00:33:16.700 on substance and on style. And I think she did well in style. She backed up and she did,

00:33:20.900 she didn't fall on her face that like we thought we were going to do, she was going to do. But if

00:33:24.620 you, if you look at the David Muir question, there's actually, um, the first four or five

00:33:29.580 words are the key to it. I mean, people kind of forget this. She said, uh, he said, Mr. President,

00:33:35.520 as you know, which is a blatant accusation of lying. I mean, the thing is, is that there's a number

00:33:42.120 of ways. And again, like Matt, I haven't looked at this stuff and looked at it recently. I'm

00:33:46.160 trusting your, um, your take on it, Megan. But there's a number of ways of looking at these

00:33:51.680 statistics, right? Going back to 1993 in New York, when there were over 2000 murders, like,

00:33:55.920 oh, it's down. It's like, yes, but down, where's your starting point? So you can be generous in

00:34:01.380 some sense and say, you know, you're interpreting this a different way. But if you look at it this

00:34:05.060 way, Mr. President, but you're just going out of the block and saying, as you know, Mr. President,

00:34:10.660 that is incorrect. That's a, I don't think you should do that as a moderator. I'm sorry,

00:34:15.760 but I mean, I know. Let me give you some stats. Let me give you some stats because we had Heather 0.93

00:34:18.700 McDonald on the show who you can trust implicitly. I mean, Heather does her homework on all things 0.92

00:34:24.660 revolving around crime. She's, this is like one of her main beats. And here are some of the,

00:34:29.700 the stats that we pulled in connection with that interview. According to the council on criminal

00:34:33.940 justice comparing 2023 to 2019, the homicide rate, uh, 18% higher in 2023 versus 19 gun assault rate,

00:34:42.880 32% higher, uh, carjacking 93% higher car theft, 105% higher, a Chicago total crime up 55% in 2023

00:34:54.780 robbery up 38% car theft up 22% Memphis homicides up 87%. Um, and as for those, the, the,

00:35:03.920 the one article that the left Rachel Maddow and David Muir are basing their claims on that crime

00:35:10.180 has been falling and that it's at a 50 year low and all and so on and so forth. Um, the guy admits

00:35:16.780 that the major cities were not included in this report. Some major cities, uh, like Chicago and Los

00:35:24.560 Angeles did not report any data. So Trump was right. You don't have to believe Trump. You can believe me.

00:35:30.720 You can breathe, believe Heather McDonald. You can believe the guy who authored the study on which

00:35:34.420 David Muir is basing that claim. You can believe the city, the council on criminal justice. The point

00:35:39.800 is it's not the candidate's job to clean up the moderator's inaccurate questions. This is such

00:35:46.200 bullshit. Again, he was in the foxhole. Everyone was surrounding him firing down at the guy and Trump 1.00

00:35:53.540 was trying to put, you know, stop the gunfire at every turn. There was the guy's human and there's

00:35:59.220 only so much he can do. And that's why I watched this thing. And I felt empathy for him. I felt

00:36:05.200 like this is unfair. This is not a fair test of what a president can do and what we should be putting

00:36:12.800 our presidential candidates through in order to get to the office. This is, it's, it's almost cruel.

00:36:20.180 It's just, it's trying to humiliate him. That's how I felt watching it.

00:36:23.520 I just, I keep coming back to the fact that he, even he talked about his expectations of unfairness

00:36:30.900 in the debate. He did not expect them to be fair. He said so in advance. I mean, he said so before the

00:36:35.940 CNN debate as well, and that they were fair. And just, if you know that that is the case, there's

00:36:40.720 two things they probably should have done in the campaign. Insist that there be another debate on Fox

00:36:45.780 News or something like that. So that you at least have this other opportunity and it's already there

00:36:50.800 forced Kamala to do it. And the second thing is, again, you know what the defects of your candidate

00:36:56.400 are. You know that he has difficulty just being disciplined and staying on message that you should

00:37:02.060 laser focus on that. Every question should come. And for every Kamala response, you should go back to

00:37:09.020 the fact that you're in office right now. Why haven't you done it already? You should have said it like

00:37:13.640 twice. You should have said it every single time and then apologize. I know you're at home and you're

00:37:19.300 watching. And I've said this eight times already, but I'll say it again because she is the sitting

00:37:24.000 vice president. They aren't doing the things she promises you that she's going to do that are going

00:37:29.320 to make your life better. What is she waiting for? You can't trust her. That would have worked,

00:37:34.720 but he didn't do it. You should have said he never said that, that you can't trust her. She

00:37:38.000 changes her positions all the time. She makes all these promises, but she doesn't do them while she's in 1.00

00:37:41.420 office. His best answer was his closing statement where he did make these points over and over.

00:37:47.040 Here's a highlight. Just started by saying she's going to do this. She's going to do that. She's

00:37:52.600 going to do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been there for three and a half

00:37:58.360 years. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to

00:38:04.280 create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now, 1.00

00:38:11.200 go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things

00:38:16.680 you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that

00:38:21.020 the American people don't believe in. We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.

00:38:27.460 But I just ask one simple question. Why didn't she do it? Primacy and recency. That's what viewers

00:38:35.460 remember. And here was the CBS focus group of I believe it was Pennsylvania undecideds reacting

00:38:43.140 after the debate. Listen to what came up. She just basically repeated everything that Biden has

00:38:50.920 said in the past. What were your thoughts? She made Donald Trump made a strong closing statement

00:38:59.560 by saying, why didn't they do all the things that she's proposing during the three and a half years

00:39:06.020 that they've been in office? And Biden did this entire moderate stance back in 2020. And she's trying

00:39:14.260 to do it again in 2024. But she didn't talk about her policy changes between 2020 and 2024. Her whole

00:39:22.640 centrist, moderate stance is just a facade. That reminds me a little bit of the post-DNC

00:39:34.860 glow when everybody in the building was just talking about all the joy. Don't you feel joy?

00:39:39.340 You're being joyed on all over your face. And there was a tangible joy or at least a euphoric

00:39:47.100 sense of relief in the audience because they didn't have to pretend that Joe Biden was fit to be president

00:39:52.020 or at least like a good candidate. They had some nice speeches from the Obamas and Oprah Winfrey

00:39:58.120 and stuff. So people were in a good mood. They had a really great DJ, legitimately, playing like

00:40:02.720 Alabama. So there was joy in the building, but they tried to incept the joy as if all of America

00:40:09.060 was feeling it. And no, all of America isn't the people who can get through 75 security checkpoints

00:40:14.640 and into the United Center for a few days. Americans are people who haven't heard from this

00:40:21.340 despised president, right? We know who Trump is. Americans know who Trump is. There's not going

00:40:25.040 to be a lot of new information unless he somehow changes in a certain way. And there's an argument

00:40:29.520 that maybe he's changed a little bit. But they don't really know Kamala Harris as a presidential 0.65

00:40:34.100 candidate and aspirant. And as the guy said in the Pennsylvania focus room, we haven't got good

00:40:41.580 explanations at all about how she's changed her mind and how this then impacts what she's going to be

00:40:46.880 like. So that, yes, is the job of a moderator. But it also gives us a sense that maybe there's a cap

00:40:53.320 on, even right now, on a debate that it seems pretty clear that she won. I think most people

00:40:58.500 who watch it will say she won. But the question is, how much of an impact is that going to have

00:41:03.260 on people when you have, on one hand, a lot of those who don't have that natural sense of

00:41:09.180 democratic joy are going to look at the way that this was moderated and presented and feel like this

00:41:14.300 is just continuing the sneering that I'm that I'm reacting against. This is the thing that

00:41:18.720 attracts me to begin with, even if we don't like him and thinks that he colors too much outside the

00:41:23.840 lines or don't like this policy or that part of the Trump coalition and the modern day Republican

00:41:28.640 coalition is a revulsion at kind of elite discourse of journalism, of whatever the elites think that

00:41:35.100 they're trying to do. You're going to put more people in that position. So the DNC bump,

00:41:40.700 there really wasn't one. And within a week or two, it kind of dissipated. I think that she will

00:41:45.080 get a measurable bump, but I think that there's a ceiling on that precisely because of that response

00:41:51.360 and also just because it is, has been a 50, 50 race all along. It's not going to become 80, 20.

00:41:57.120 This is what's interesting. So she won, but what did she win? Did she actually persuade anybody or

00:42:01.340 are there millions of people sitting at home like that guy saying, I did not hear her explain why she

00:42:06.440 flipped on fracking. And I know she flipped on fracking. I did not hear her explain the private health

00:42:10.100 insurance or the guns. She just denied it, but I've seen the sound bites. And here was another

00:42:14.540 person. This is a CNN focus group, um, who got a similar message who had a similar takeaway, like,

00:42:20.660 okay, for all the dazzling, like rhetorical, Oh, you know, you didn't do this and you're terrible

00:42:25.000 and everyone hates you. This was his takeaway. I think it's a him watch. It's important to remember

00:42:31.080 that we are voting for the leader of our country and not who we like the most or who we want in our

00:42:36.560 wedding party, but who is actually going to make our country better. And we're in an incredibly

00:42:42.620 unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before, and we've gotten

00:42:47.340 to see what they would do. And when facts come to facts, my life was better. When Trump was in

00:42:52.340 office, the economy was higher. Inflation was lower. Things were better overall. And now with, um,

00:42:58.120 Kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic. And she's saying she can fix the problems

00:43:04.560 that her administration has caused, but I just don't know if I can afford to take that risk.

00:43:08.860 Were you leaning towards the former president coming in tonight?

00:43:11.600 Probably. And did you have a forum in 2016 or 2020? I did.

00:43:18.180 Interesting. This is the thing that frustrates me. As you know, I heard some people talking about

00:43:23.480 this last night, Republicans, I think Ben Shapiro was talking about, I think he's a pretty good

00:43:27.640 weather vane for, for Republicans in some senses, is that you hear the anger from people. And I know

00:43:34.840 Megan, you said you, you had some sympathy for him, hear the anger at Donald Trump for not seizing on

00:43:40.340 these opportunities. That those were two articulate answers from two different panels on CNN. And I

00:43:45.540 guess the other one was false. But these people who make, you know, good points, and I've heard it

00:43:50.360 before when I'm out in the field talking to people too. And if you're a Republican, you have to say,

00:43:55.260 you know, on the immigration issue, why are you talking about cats? Why are you not talking about

00:43:59.180 the border in a more substantial way? You get to it at some point, right? Well, yeah, you get to it

00:44:05.060 at some point, you get to the end. And people did remember that, but they're there at CNN,

00:44:09.820 tasked with watching the whole debate. Is everybody getting through? I was getting exhausted by

00:44:13.720 minute 85. And then he leaves the good stuff for the end. And I'm thinking of it, if I'm in this

00:44:19.440 situation, and the moderators are being this way, you could have so many of those people in those

00:44:24.840 focus groups talking about the good line, not a canned line, but a natural line in the way of

00:44:30.020 like Reagan's, which I think was probably a canned line, there you go again, you know, going after

00:44:34.340 the moderators, like, you know, look at, look at what these people are doing. These are, this is your

00:44:38.480 media. These are the people that are telling you things about me, right? Do you trust these people?

00:44:42.820 Something like that. But when you talk about the crime stats, all you have to do is, is beseech the

00:44:48.600 audience to listen to and say, what's your, what's the nearest city to you? Do you feel that

00:44:53.600 that city's safe? Do you feel like things are better? Do you feel like your groceries are, you

00:44:58.820 know, less expensive than they were under my administration? Just making-

00:45:02.780 Have you gone into a CVS lately? What was your experience?

00:45:05.940 Correct. Everything's locked up. You can't, I mean, I literally, this is actually true. The other night

00:45:09.940 I was in the city, I was trying to get painkillers and I was like, fuck it. I'll, I'll screw it. I'll deal 1.00

00:45:14.220 with it because I had to find someone to unlock it. And it's like, no, this is an annoyance in my life

00:45:20.380 that actually kind of matters to me because writ large, it's a big thing. But Donald Trump has

00:45:25.600 absolutely zero discipline. He's so obsessed with personal grievances. As I said, the people

00:45:30.220 saying, oh, it's genius that he mentioned the crowd size. No, it's not genius. I know that.

00:45:35.280 You know that. Everybody knows that. If you put that-

00:45:38.100 But if you look back, but I will say, Moynihan, if you look back at, like I did at the transcript,

00:45:41.100 he, he brings up the economy a lot to his credit. And he did bring up immigration a lot. He did manage

00:45:46.380 to weave both of those things into his messaging throughout. It was just so much shit being 1.00

00:45:51.200 thrown at him. It got, it got lost. Here's another, um, this is David Chalian over on CNN 1.00

00:45:55.740 talking about a focus group on, um, the economy and watch this.

00:46:00.980 Who better understands problems facing people like you, uh, before the debate, 39% said that

00:46:08.140 about Harris, 43% Trump. And look at how that flips for Harris after the debate, 43% of the debate

00:46:15.300 watchers say that she understands problems facing people like them. 40% say that about Trump. Look

00:46:21.980 at the economy here. Uh, who would you, who would better handle the economy is what we asked going

00:46:27.500 into the debate before the debate. 37% said Harris, 53% Trump after the debate, again, margin of error

00:46:34.760 stuff here, but numerically she lost a little ground. 35% said so after the debate that she would 0.94

00:46:39.740 better handle the economy. 55% said Trump. That's the risk and not in just dodging and weaving.

00:46:47.420 If you're her on, on these answers, like she threw out the same nonsense about how she's going to,

00:46:53.160 I don't know, give up people $25,000 loans and she's going to help small businesses. 1.00

00:46:57.960 People don't buy it. They don't trust her to handle the economy. They know Trump can do it. And I think

00:47:02.780 his last message about, were you better off four years ago? Why hasn't she done anything in these past

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00:48:14.200 Uncle Joe, the elderly statesman who runs down the middle, was going to just bring us together

00:48:21.940 and we'll get away from the chaos that is Donald Trump. That was the promise four years ago. Then

00:48:27.500 the guy went on a tour where he basically worked race into every single speech, agitating every

00:48:36.820 person that wasn't white, saying white supremacy was the bigger, and doing much more divisive

00:48:42.960 agitation than anyone who came before him. And now we're supposed to believe this isn't going

00:48:49.940 to happen again. I mean, that was just the promise. She's on camera saying be more woke.

00:48:55.400 That's the answer to everything. More woke. Biden at least had the dignity to lie when he was running

00:49:03.220 saying, we're just going to tack back toward the middle. We're going to stop. We're going to cool

00:49:08.540 the temp, stop the vitriol, and we'll bring sort of civility and sanity back to the United States.

00:49:15.180 Now, he didn't do any of that, but who knows what he knows, and he's probably just being told to say

00:49:21.160 something. But Kamala, I would have nothing that would lead me to believe that this would happen

00:49:27.780 again. And by the way, how could it if the rules are? So here are the rules on the left. We would like

00:49:38.100 to turn your city into a sanctuary city. We would like to protest on behalf of Hamas. We would like 1.00

00:49:45.720 13-year-olds getting their genitalia cutting off. And then if I say something about it, now there's 1.00

00:49:51.540 a problem, and now there's agitation. Well, excuse me, crazy person. You can't, if I had a roommate, 0.95

00:49:58.080 and he said, you know, my policy is I always leave the refrigerator door open, and I never do my dishes,

00:50:03.800 and I don't flush the toilet. I'd go, well, that's not right. And then he'd go, oh, starting

00:50:09.380 trouble, are we? No unity. No unity for you. It's like, yeah, you come in here with a bunch of crazy

00:50:15.080 ideas and policy that's destructive and hurtful. And when I raise my hand and go, I'm not down with

00:50:20.880 that, then you go, oh, I thought we had unity. They're so divisive. I'm going to bring back unity

00:50:25.340 to the country. This, okay, so enter Ron Howard, who I'm so disappointed in little Opie. So he made

00:50:32.540 the movie, J.D. Vance, Hillbilly Elegy. Worst Metallica song ever. Enter Ron Howard.

00:50:39.840 He made, he made the movie, Hillbilly Elegy a couple of years ago, based on J.D. Vance's bestselling

00:50:45.720 book. And good for him for making the movie, even though at that point we knew that J.D. Vance,

00:50:50.240 you know, seemed to be more Republican leaning, but more of a Trump whisperer at that point who could

00:50:54.340 explain the white working class as opposed to, you know, it's fine to be a Republican

00:50:58.280 as long as you're never Trump Republican. And so he makes this movie about him. And just

00:51:04.160 like Glenn Close, who felt the need to take a shot at J.D. Vance rather than just keeping

00:51:07.980 her pie hole shut. Oh yeah. She played the mom. She played the mamaw. The mamaw who changed 1.00

00:51:14.280 his life. And so Ron Howard is asked about this new evil J.D. Vance and whether he regrets

00:51:21.440 making this film. And instead of taking the high road, Adam, you know, like I stand by the

00:51:27.280 storytelling. It was a great American story and I'm not going to weigh in beyond that. That's

00:51:30.920 for the voters to decide. He goes full low road. Watch.

00:51:34.620 I have been surprised and, you know, and concerned by a lot of the rhetoric, you know, coming out

00:51:45.600 of that campaign. Given the experience that I had then, five, six years ago, yeah, I'd say

00:51:52.860 that I've been, you know, surprised. Listen to what the candidates are saying today. That's

00:51:59.620 what's really relevant. It's who they are today and make it, make a decision and informed

00:52:04.500 one. But then he added more. He gave an interview to Deadline and he said, here's the question,

00:52:10.720 by the way, from Deadline. You made an underdog story about a poor young man from a dysfunctional

00:52:14.780 family with a grandmother who would not let him fail. He has evolved from that young man

00:52:19.460 into a polarizing, volatile, conservative. Nice, nice objective question, Deadline.

00:52:25.020 Yeah. I'm sure people have said to you, Ron, what have you unleashed? How do you process

00:52:30.620 that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm very surprised and disappointed by much of the rhetoric

00:52:36.300 I'm reading and hearing. People do change and I assume that's the case. So he's surprised,

00:52:42.660 disappointed at the rhetoric, and he's concerned about it and really wants people to listen to

00:52:48.700 what they're saying and then vote accordingly. None of that on the Kamala Harris side. None of

00:52:54.120 that when they called him a Hitler. None of that against the complaints that he's a misogynist

00:52:58.640 to actually, in this case, give the other side and say, you know what? I know he said some things

00:53:03.480 that are controversial, but the man I came to know was raised by strong women who changed his life,

00:53:10.640 and I have to believe they had a long-lasting effect on this man. Yeah, well, it's interesting

00:53:16.460 when you think about a guy like Ron Howard because he'll say things I've heard coming out of their

00:53:23.980 campaign. Things you read on Variety and USA Today and LA Times and New York Times. There are people

00:53:31.880 in my life who I talk to all the time, they legitimately have no idea about what the story,

00:53:40.380 what the true comments, good people on both sides or whatever. They have no inject bleach.

00:53:45.820 Well, he said inject bleach. I read 10 articles that said, why should I hire, you know, why do I want

00:53:51.580 to vote for a guy who said inject bleach or that, you know, all Muslims were terrorists or something 0.98

00:53:55.880 like that. Dictator. Bloodbath. I read he said he was going to be a dictator in bloodbath. I think 1.00

00:54:01.340 first day's dictator, second day's bloodbath. But either way, like, why would I? So to be fair to Ron

00:54:07.780 Howard, he may just be reading this stuff in the places he gets his information, which could be the

00:54:16.340 LA Times, in which case he would think that that's what they're doing. You know, they go...

00:54:21.800 Needs to cast a wider net. J.D. Vance said school shootings were a good thing and he hopes there's

00:54:26.380 more of them. Oh, man. Well, I wouldn't vote for that guy. He swims in a swimming pool with a shirt

00:54:32.320 on. I'm not voting for him. So Ron is probably in the bubble. The bubble gets their info from within

00:54:43.640 the bubble. And many of them legitimately do not have any idea what is going on outside of that group.

00:54:53.160 And when they get their information from CNN, but it could be ABC or NBC, it doesn't have to be,

00:55:01.100 you know, MSNBC. They get their version of he said school shootings were a nice thing and then they

00:55:09.900 believe it and then they form their opinions. Now, what is kind of on them is everyone needs to be a

00:55:17.820 little more dubious. You know what I mean? Like when you hear that headline...

00:55:21.920 Yes. At this point, you know the media is lying to you about Trump. You must know this.

00:55:27.520 Yeah. And it's a little bit of a two-way street. You'll see conservative things come out that says,

00:55:34.100 you know, Tim Walls said the Holocaust was a good thing, you know? And I go, 1.00

00:55:39.620 probably said something about the Holocaust, but I don't think he... The right media doesn't do it

00:55:45.820 nearly as much. And the left, that's what they do. That's their thing is twisting stuff. But

00:55:51.460 as a person that consumes information and then has to report it, you know, on the air,

00:55:58.500 you have to kind of put on your hat that has a big question mark on it and kind of go,

00:56:05.120 let me look into this a little more. Like even if... Look, if J.D. Vance thought school shootings

00:56:12.340 were good, why would he say that into a microphone in front of a crowd? 1.00

00:56:16.700 That'd be truly stupid. 1.00

00:56:17.260 You know what I mean? Like that's something. He wouldn't do it even if he thought that. So 1.00

00:56:19.980 let me go back and watch the tape. And they don't do it.

00:56:23.520 The number of flip-flops that she's done, I think the left has heard about these. They just don't

00:56:28.980 care. They like the original positions. They believe her, that her values haven't changed. They

00:56:33.620 know she's got to say they've changed in order to win this election. And over the weekend,

00:56:37.900 one of her campaign spokespeople came out and really put a new spin on it. But I think

00:56:43.300 it was a fine spin for the left. They'll go along with this. This is Ian Sams on Thursday,

00:56:49.060 actually. It was on CNN. Take a listen to SOT25.

00:56:53.260 She's been part of the Biden administration. I mean, she has been part of the Democratic...

00:56:57.500 Democrats have been in control of the country for the last three going on four years. And you are

00:57:02.120 still seeing this in the polling. I mean, these working class voters are telling us right now that

00:57:05.700 more of them are with Donald Trump than Kamala Harris. Why? What is it about what you guys have

00:57:10.800 been doing for the last three plus years that explains that? Well, I think, again, we're trying

00:57:16.620 to talk to the voters and explain this message. We've got 60 days until the election. You know,

00:57:21.580 we don't have time to sit around and think about why over the last few years, certain things may

00:57:25.460 have happened or may not have happened. You don't? No. Probably his wallet looks pretty good.

00:57:31.480 His trips to the grocery store are not stressful. And this is one of her top people saying,

00:57:36.540 we really don't have time to think about why what happened over the past three and a half years

00:57:39.960 happened. Just vote Kamala Harris. Yeah. So we're at an inflection point, as far as I can tell,

00:57:46.760 which is sort of Subaru good vibes taking over Ford tough, you know, built Ford tough and

00:57:55.920 Subaru's are built with love. Right. And the people like us go, I I'm just a brass taxer. I want to

00:58:04.480 know all the information and all the policy, but there's enough. And I think, I think what it is,

00:58:12.720 is enough men have sort of slid over to the good vibes that made with love departments, probably

00:58:19.300 circulating estrogens and too much plastic and our food and low, low, low testosterone.

00:58:24.940 Could be a thing. Oh yeah. No guys are turning into women. No, they are. They're losing all their 1.00

00:58:31.660 sperm. They're losing all whatever made them dudes. And so they're not worried about powertrain 0.99

00:58:37.240 warranties anymore. They're worried about puppies and love and lesbians and station wagons. So that's 0.97

00:58:42.900 where we're heading. And the polit, all politicians do is they go, Ooh, we're drifting toward love,

00:58:50.000 you know? So Kamala Harris is all, you know, that's, you know, Joe Biden. Do you think he

00:58:55.360 knows who Dylan Mulvaney is? You think he cares about the trans community? You think he knows any

00:59:00.220 of this stuff? Dylan Mulvaney sat down with Joe Biden, but that doesn't mean no, he doesn't know

00:59:03.840 who he is. He didn't know who he was 10 seconds before that. And still doesn't know. Still doesn't

00:59:08.560 know. The point is, is they lick the finger. Somebody told him we're drifting toward the feminization

00:59:14.340 and the love. And there's more dudes turning into women every day. So I don't mean physically

00:59:21.360 I'm talking about like chemical castration, just, just turning into, into females. And why 0.99

00:59:28.280 not run on good vibes? So what they're saying, what Kamala's side is saying is, look, we don't

00:59:35.260 need to get into all the nuts and the bolts of the policies and the feds and the reserve and

00:59:40.960 the oil reserves and drilling and fracking border. What are we doing that? We're good

00:59:46.920 vibes. He's mean, yells and stands there at looking, looking up various, a Mussolini 0.89

00:59:55.500 ask. So we're just running over that. Now, as far as the technical stuff, you know, the

01:00:00.640 actual policies, just, just do what they do in the Subaru commercials. Don't talk about

01:00:06.400 it. We're talking about this.

01:00:07.400 That's what I think she's going to do tomorrow night. She's going to do like economy, opportunity 1.00

01:00:12.580 economy, and we're going to protect seniors. Right. And we're going to clean up the environment.

01:00:18.380 Right. It's just going to be these sweeping, empty promises. I don't think she's going to

01:00:22.620 drill down on any policies because she's got to stay as close to generic Democrat as she 1.00

01:00:28.140 can. Although, I mean, as I discussed with Larry Elder, right now that's not working that

01:00:32.840 well for her, because that latest New York Times Siena poll shows her support is not that

01:00:38.020 strong. She's not as strong with traditional voting blocs within the Democratic Party as

01:00:42.160 they expected her to be. And the only group she's really doing well with, to your point,

01:00:47.160 is women. The gender gap is real. Harris has got 39 percent of men. Trump has got 56 percent

01:00:55.600 of men. Harris has got 53 percent of women. Trump has got 42 percent of them. But there's

01:01:01.260 only so far the sort of interesting message of love and abortion can get you.

01:01:08.180 Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's sort of, to me, it could all be distilled down into the concept

01:01:16.600 of a sanctuary city. If you wanted to kind of go, well, what's a feminine thought? What's

01:01:21.560 a masculine thought? You know, you could talk about energy and taxation and borders and things

01:01:26.580 like that. But the cities that went, we are a sanctuary city. All are welcome. All shall

01:01:33.300 be treated with dignity and respect and love and have zero plans in place when the buses

01:01:39.620 started pulling up. And now people are splayed out in the parks and the streets and in the gymnasiums

01:01:45.800 where the taxpayers' kids used to play and so on and so forth. That is the actual representation

01:01:53.920 of good vibes policy. It sounds awesome. You know what I mean? We're sanctuary city. Everyone's

01:02:01.080 welcome. No human's illegal. What actually happens when people start spilling into the city?

01:02:07.980 You know what, Adam? I'm listening to you. I'm so annoyed. I'm annoyed because it's like,

01:02:11.600 this isn't feminine. Feminine women are Republicans. Not all of them, but generally the women in 1.00

01:02:19.080 the Republican Party tend to be feminine and strong and amazing. And the men more and more

01:02:25.520 are more masculine. And if you look at not all Democrats, a lot of my friends are wonderful

01:02:29.900 Democrats, but the left, the progressive left, this is not what a woman is. This sort of afraid, 1.00

01:02:36.900 overly emotional, lead with love and let the illegals, that is the worst kind of feminism 1.00

01:02:43.760 I've ever seen. I don't understand these women at all. They don't represent me or any of them. 1.00

01:02:49.740 And to be clear, you know, Margaret Thatcher was a female who did not embody these thoughts that we

01:02:58.420 speak of. And when I talk about this in private, your name comes up as one of the leaders in the

01:03:04.340 clubhouse of females who should not be mistaken for this kind of thinking. 0.98

01:03:09.300 Thank you. Yes. It's but it's like, I hate the way it's going. Like the Democrat Party is the party

01:03:15.020 of no spine unless it comes to shutting you up and shoving wokeness down your throat. And the Republican

01:03:21.780 Party has all of the strength and the robust nature that's necessary for governing. But as a result,

01:03:28.160 will be made into demons by that left, which happens to control all of the message boards

01:03:33.840 throughout the country and beyond. That's really what's happening. And they're going to claim

01:03:38.500 feminism and womanhood. These women who are going to vote for Kamala Harris somehow represent like the

01:03:45.060 feminism, like the new feminism in America. And I just reject that. Feminists, what feminists should 1.00

01:03:52.740 be is strong, fierce, smart women who stand up for what they believe in, but haven't forgotten the 1.00

01:04:01.320 glories of being a woman, the wonders of softness and not overly emotionalism, but emotionalism where

01:04:08.380 it's that's why men love us. They need a soft place to fall. They need my husband and I go in to see

01:04:13.880 like the decorator and we're redecorating a room and it's like the decorators talking about all the

01:04:19.860 wallpapers and the, you know, sofas. And then he gets to the cost and he's like, well, and he looks

01:04:25.760 at Doug when he says what the number is going to be. And Doug's like, well, I don't know. And I'm

01:04:30.640 like, YOLO. Yeah. And, but it works. Like that's how men and women work together. One is more sober

01:04:36.260 and one is more fun or one is more of whatever. They want men out of the picture altogether. All they 0.99

01:04:41.840 want is the far left angry woman who's going to emasculate men. I just, all of it is, it makes me recoil. 0.95

01:04:48.260 You know, I think what we need to do from a message standpoint, I agree with your soliloquy.

01:04:55.860 What we need to do is as the guy, you know, I'm the guy going at home, diet and exercise. These kids

01:05:04.760 got to get some exercise and know you can't eat taffy for breakfast or whatever. And then I get

01:05:10.080 labeled as the mean one. Fine. Because I'm saying that. And, and I think a lot of the stuff we're

01:05:16.560 talking about that's sort of coming out of conservatism is diet and exercise. And now

01:05:21.980 we're being labeled mean because their personal trainer wants them to watch TV and eat fudge.

01:05:27.160 They will be dead by age 50.

01:05:28.540 Right. And I'm saying, I'm not a bad person for suggesting you do things that are good for you.

01:05:35.540 That makes me a good person who doesn't dance like Ellen. But I know you don't like the message.

01:05:41.900 And I know you don't want to get up and do some road work in the morning. And I know

01:05:46.140 you would rather have honey smack cereal than, than a poached egg, but let's not confuse me with

01:05:54.580 someone who's hurting somebody. I'm actually helping somebody. And there was a lot of that. Like for

01:06:00.560 instance, even going way back here in LA, especially, you know, they had an English only in school thing.

01:06:07.520 And then all the nice people were going, they should be taught in their native tongue. And it's

01:06:12.660 like, yeah. And then they graduate and they can't speak English and they can't get a job.

01:06:17.080 So who's the mean one in this, this equation, the guy who says, let them learn English in the

01:06:23.680 first and second grade. And they'll, they'll get fluent in it and they'll move on. And then they

01:06:27.420 could get a job or the one, the nice person who's saying, teach them in their mother language.

01:06:32.420 Better to have a couple of rough years when you're seven than when you're 20 looking for a job.

01:06:37.140 I'm saying diet. You're saying Ozempic. You know what I mean? Why am I the bad one in this

01:06:43.880 equation? I'm, you know, um, COVID comes down the pike and I'm saying, lose some weight, 0.96

01:06:50.220 get some exercise, get some, and everyone's yelling at me, get vaccinated and stay home.

01:06:54.560 And I'm like, shut the kids, shut the school down. I'm saying, open the school. I'm the bad guy.

01:06:59.900 We're saying, open the school. Now the kids have fallen off. They're way behind depression,

01:07:04.680 suicide, you know, whatever comes along with sheltering in place for two damn years. 0.98

01:07:09.880 Why am I the bad guy in this equation? That's the, and then when you are proven right, 0.98

01:07:16.100 they move on. They don't admit it. They move on. They may do the same mistakes and a new way forward.

01:07:23.140 You might call it. That's right.

01:07:24.280 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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