The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Attacks on Women in Sports, Israel and Christians, Sadness in Our Culture and More

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's weekend best of special.

00:00:17.480 It's been a crazy week on the show with the death of O.J. Simpson and an abortion announcement from

00:00:23.480 former President Donald Trump, I guess I should say abortion policy,

00:00:27.520 that drew fire from both sides of the aisle. But on today's special, I want to bring you four

00:00:33.380 segments featuring some of our favorites. The brilliant Victor Davis Hanson was here,

00:00:38.900 and through his vast on-the-ground experience and historical knowledge, which is like incredible,

00:00:44.700 I mean like a steel trap, that guy's mind, for facts on any historical story, it's great.

00:00:51.120 He walked us through the true status of Christians and Israel. It was very interesting.

00:00:55.960 Sage Steele came on, gave the full backstory to her scripted and officially approved ESPN interview

00:01:04.100 with President Biden. She found it just as annoying as anybody would and talked about

00:01:09.220 exactly what they did to her over there. And her interactions with the sad, pathetic man 1.00

00:01:13.980 known as Keith Olbermann. Stu Bergeers, Dave Marcus, they both came on. We love our Stu and Dave days. 0.99

00:01:19.320 Speaking about the crazy reaction from some to Kaitlyn Clark's rise in the women's basketball world. 0.96

00:01:27.320 Like, people are lunatics, but it's fun to expose them. And I spoke about the comments from South 0.91

00:01:33.160 Carolina's cowardly head coach, not to mention a terrible, terrible sports columnist for USA Today,

00:01:40.020 both of whom refused to support biological women and girls in sport. Not to be forgotten,

00:01:47.060 we got deep with two women who we absolutely adore, Ali Beth Stuckey and Britt Mayer, about SSRIs,

00:01:54.020 therapy, and sadness in our culture today from all of our personal experiences. I think you're

00:02:00.260 going to enjoy this and I'll talk to you next week. One of the things that's happening in our

00:02:06.540 country right now with respect to this conflict, Israel, Palestine, Hamas, as yes, these lefties

00:02:14.120 who we just saw on Dearborn are marching, saying things like death to America. But also on the right,

00:02:20.940 there's a considerable growing, dare I say, faction that is making the case that Israel's gone too far

00:02:30.560 or that this is not in America's interest to be supporting Israel in this conflict at all.

00:02:38.920 And even in some cases, making the case that Christians should not be in favor of America's

00:02:45.820 support for Israel here, given the death toll and given its residual effects on Christians in Israel.

00:02:53.820 Israel. And if you go online for two minutes, you'll see this debate breaking out within the

00:02:59.440 Republican Party about whether this is, whether we have any proper role in this conflict, whether

00:03:06.140 it's supporting Israel. We're not, obviously, nobody's calling for our boots to be on the ground,

00:03:09.640 including Israel. But the support that we're giving, is it appropriate? Should we get out? And

00:03:13.780 is there some growing divide between Christians and Jews? 0.95

00:03:19.920 I think a lot of it's based on ignorance. I really do. Because if anybody, I've been to Israel a lot 0.77

00:03:26.100 in the West Bank. And if anybody goes to, say, Bethlehem, or they go into Lebanon, what's happening all

00:03:32.900 over the Middle East, Megan, is Christians are being ethnically cleansed. If you look at the population,

00:03:39.460 I think, of Bethlehem in the late 90s, I went there as early as the 70s. It was 80, there were 70 or 80%

00:03:49.460 Christian. It's down to about 10 or 20%. And the same is true of villages in Lebanon. And so,

00:03:56.800 Christians themselves, not their spokesmen who have to... The problem we have when we have Christians 1.00

00:04:02.780 in the Middle East that are living in Gaza, there's not many, they've been ethnically cleansed from Gaza,

00:04:09.320 most of them. But if they're speaking in Syria, or they're speaking in the Palestinian Authority,

00:04:16.520 they're terrified. And everything they say is monitored. So mostly the Christians are very 1.00

00:04:20.740 anti-Israel, the spokespeople. But when you look at actual events on the ground, they have fled.

00:04:26.920 They either go to Europe, or mostly to America, or Israel. I think Israel is getting close to having 0.92

00:04:32.100 200,000 Christians. And they're not people who were there in 1947, necessarily. Most of them

00:04:38.820 came to Israel as the refuge from religious persecution by Muslim governments. And I think

00:04:46.620 most of the evangelical community that I know of is still very pro-Israel. I think what we're talking

00:04:51.900 about is the libertarian right intellectual movement. And I understand, you know, I know that Tucker Carlson

00:04:58.920 has voiced some things. Candace Owens has. The Cato Institute's been really vocal. There's some

00:05:04.960 people on that website who've called for breaking relations almost with Israel. But I don't think

00:05:10.940 it represents most Christians, much less most Americans. But I don't know quite what their

00:05:16.660 arguments, because I've seen so many of them, you know. It doesn't take a lot of brains to say 0.61

00:05:22.300 there's 500 million people in the Middle East, and there's 12 million that live on a democratic

00:05:27.140 government. And that is the only democratic constitutional system there. And when you go

00:05:32.600 to Haifa, or Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, and I have been to every Arab country in the Middle East, and you go to, 0.89

00:05:41.080 except Emirates, I haven't been there, but if you go to Tunis, or you go to Tripoli, or you go to Cairo,

00:05:49.560 and these are moderate countries. You go to Jordan, you go to Baghdad,

00:05:53.000 you go to Beirut, you go to Damascus, and then just compare it, going to Haifa, for example. And

00:06:00.740 it's just night and day. None of these people who are saying death to America, if they dared to go

00:06:06.740 back into their own countries, and they said death to Assad, or death to the Palestinian, or death to

00:06:12.720 Hamas, they would be killed, or they'd be in jail. But they wouldn't, if you're in Israel, and you say 0.88

00:06:18.220 death to Netanyahu, you're not. And so it's a, it's a, it's not Muslim Christian, it's just an 0.99

00:06:24.800 empirical difference between a free society that lives by the rule of law, and its neighbors who do

00:06:31.560 most for the, for the vast majority do not. And anybody on the right who can't make that distinction

00:06:38.060 is, I, I, I don't think, I don't know what you do with them, but, uh, it's, it's a no-brainer.

00:06:45.340 Well, our audience should know you're, in addition to the classics that you teach, you're an expert in

00:06:49.880 warfare. You've written a lot of books on it, you've studied a lot of conflicts, seen how they

00:06:55.540 played out. And I heard you on your show, which I love, uh, talking about this, yes, you've talked in

00:07:02.780 the past about proportionality, but you were talking about like the extreme response to Israel

00:07:08.500 after it, I don't know if the word is inadvertently, but mistakenly killed these central kitchen

00:07:15.780 workers. Um, their van was labeled that it was clear that they, or should have been clear that

00:07:21.680 they were not combatants for Hamas, but Israel made a mistake and they fired two people over it,

00:07:27.700 but still you've got innocents now who are dead. And this has led to President Biden, many others

00:07:34.580 saying, that's it. Like you've got to change it. That's the Kamala Harris soundbite. You've got to

00:07:38.380 change your tactics. So we're going to change ours. And you know, you, you brought your hefty dose of

00:07:43.200 reality. If we want to take a hard look at civilian deaths in a, in a war conflict.

00:07:49.280 Well, I mean, I walked through Fallujah about a year and a half after we retook it and it looked like

00:07:56.140 a moonscape and we were doing all we could not to kill civilians that were intertwined within the

00:08:03.480 sons of the Ba'athist and ISIS. And we leveled Mosul or actually the Iraqi forces with our help

00:08:10.900 and air power leveled Mosul. And I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say anything. I didn't hear

00:08:16.440 anybody in Dearborn say, my God, we stand with Chechnya. Putin, when we had the second Chechnya 0.88

00:08:23.960 war, he leveled Grozny, leveled it. It didn't even exist. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say a

00:08:29.800 word. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn ever object to what the Taliban were doing to women. 0.90

00:08:37.160 I really didn't hear that. And so I don't hear anybody talking today. There's a million

00:08:41.640 Muslim Uyghurs in China that are being oppressed. I hear Blinken talking about it and equating the

00:08:47.220 Gazans with the Uyghurs, but I don't hear anybody in Dearborn. So there's something else is what I'm 0.72

00:08:52.700 trying to say going on. And when you look at the usual ratio, it's three or four civilians to one

00:08:58.420 is pretty good. I don't mean anything's good in urban warfare, but there's outside observers who've

00:09:04.400 come back and said the number of actual militants, terrorists, combatants who were killed versus

00:09:11.140 civilians is about one to one or 1.5 to one. And that shows you that's a great deal of care.

00:09:20.420 And you know, the other thing, it's really bizarre, Megan. We have two wars going on. And

00:09:26.440 I haven't heard anybody on the left, and I haven't heard this administration say to Mr.

00:09:31.160 And I support Mr. Zelensky's right to defense. I'm glad we give them weapons. And I break with

00:09:36.380 some people on the right. I don't want to go into Moscow or attack Russia on the offensive,

00:09:41.440 but to defend themselves, they have a right. But have you heard anybody say, Mr. Zelensky,

00:09:46.200 you need a wartime bipartisan government, just like we made Mr. Netanyahu do? No,

00:09:51.880 he canceled elections. He canceled habeas corpus. He outlawed political party. Do they ever say to

00:09:57.960 the Ukrainians, you've got to be proportionate, do not be disproportionate and start something?

00:10:03.120 No. Do they ever say when you go back, when you send drones into Crimea on bridges and highways to

00:10:09.020 disrupt transportation of the Russian military, you've got to be very careful about collateral

00:10:15.120 damage. You've got to have collateral damage. Now, I think it's very sad that there's been 30,

00:10:21.420 maybe 30, we don't, 1,000, we don't know how many people have been killed in Gaza.

00:10:25.800 We do know there's somewhere between 700,000 and 800,000 dead, wounded, and missing Russians

00:10:33.700 and Ukrainians. We're beyond the Battle of Verdun in World War I. We're getting close to the Battle 0.55

00:10:39.140 of Song territory. And I haven't heard anybody in this administration say, we need a ceasefire right

00:10:45.840 now. This is the largest carnage that we've seen since World War II, and it's right in Europe. 0.71

00:10:52.540 We've got to do something. 700,000, 800,000 people have been destroyed, 12 million people,

00:10:59.140 28 percent of Ukraine has left the country. It doesn't even have 45 million. It's down to about

00:11:06.780 30 million. They're running out of manpower. They are destroying that country. I haven't heard

00:11:12.080 anything, no ceasefire talk. And yet we say to the Jewish state, ceasefire can't be disproportionate,

00:11:20.220 got to have coalition government, you've got no collateral damage, and it's bizarre. And everybody

00:11:26.500 said, well, Russia started it. They went in there. So what do you expect Ukraine to do?

00:11:31.540 Yeah, I agree with that. And Hamas broke a ceasefire. What do you expect Israel to do?

00:11:38.180 And by the way, there's not three dozen Americans dead, killed by design by the Russians in that 0.98

00:11:46.560 conflict, right? That's what we have here. Hamas took Americans, killed them, and still have five 0.65

00:11:52.400 American hostage. I got to take a break. And why, Megan, you made a really excellent point.

00:11:57.540 I feel terrible about the Wall Street Journal reporter, but everybody is obsessed on one

00:12:02.700 American hostage, and they should be, that Russia has taken. But they don't say one word. We still 0.71

00:12:09.000 have five or six American hostages that are somewhere in that tunnel, if not dead. I never

00:12:14.320 hear Mr. Biden say anything publicly about that. So there's a big asymmetry, and they should explain

00:12:19.980 why that is on these two wars. Yeah, they're not the same. The growing sentiment among Republicans

00:12:27.280 in particular against the Ukraine war is spilling over into the Israeli conflict, from which much

00:12:34.380 less has been asked of the United States. Israel's doing its own thing. Ukraine is asking for more

00:12:40.020 and more from us. So I don't know why they're getting lumped together. Maybe there are other

00:12:45.000 reasons. You were basically saying everything that you asked, they controlled. And you said

00:12:55.400 every single word, and they told you no follow-ups. And so we actually, the sound that I do have

00:12:59.260 is we pulled some of the questions from the interview so that the audience could hear what

00:13:04.880 was ESPN approved? Like, how did they, what did they say it's okay for Sage Steele to actually

00:13:10.860 ask? Here's some of that. We are obviously still in the rollout phase of the COVID-19 vaccine.

00:13:17.160 How do you envision this season going with so much up in the air still? You talk specifically

00:13:20.920 about athletes and fans, many of whom have gotten the vaccine, others looking forward to

00:13:25.460 it. There are people who are hesitant, athletes who are hesitant. So Mr. President, if you're in

00:13:30.080 a clubhouse or a locker room with those athletes, what would you say to those who are hesitant to

00:13:35.360 get vaccinated? Governor Greg Abbott lifted the mask mandate. So the Texas Rangers say there will

00:13:40.880 not be any attendance restrictions. Mr. President, 40,000 people with masks required, except when

00:13:47.020 actively eating and drinking. What are your thoughts on the Rangers' decision? Mr. Goodell said

00:13:51.960 Tuesday, the league is making plans to open its stadiums to full capacity for the upcoming season.

00:13:56.740 What's your reaction to Commissioner Goodell's decision right now? Mr. President,

00:14:00.780 I know you're a sports fan. I know the first lady, Dr. Jill Biden, is a sports fan. So can

00:14:05.280 you give us a glimpse, when Dr. Biden is watching Philly's games, what is she like?

00:14:12.220 Oh, I'm sure they had that Dr. Biden thing written in there.

00:14:15.900 I wouldn't have said doctor. No, because she's fake news, doctor. It's not real. I'm sorry, but it isn't.

00:14:22.880 So what, when they, when you had this conversation, because I know a lot of journalists have said,

00:14:27.780 well, I never would have allowed them to do that. And I, I said on my show last week,

00:14:32.200 listen, uh, and I happen to know you, but it wasn't an attack on you. But I said a lot of

00:14:37.500 journalists, and I know this is true in your case, you're basically a single mom. You got three mouths 1.00

00:14:41.820 to feed. You need this job. And it's great for somebody on the sidelines to be like, oh, I would have

00:14:47.040 thrown down and, you know, taken on. It's a very different reality when you're you in this

00:14:52.720 position, having to feed your children. And you know, very well, what pushback is going to get you.

00:14:59.260 Exactly. I don't know that I would have done anything differently either, because you have

00:15:04.320 to know which battles to choose. I had already chosen a couple of battles along the way. Um, and

00:15:11.160 actually there were a lot more that came just a couple of months later. So, you know, there it's,

00:15:17.700 do you want to interview the sitting president of the United States or not? And if you want to,

00:15:22.480 then these are the questions and we will, we will get back to you with what you will be saying. Um,

00:15:27.640 you know, I, I, it was a scary time and this was right after the election. So this is 2021,

00:15:34.600 March, 2021. And I did it. I, you know, I, there's a lot of reasons why I think I was given the

00:15:40.260 interview in the first place. Um, and it's based on, um, some other things that they did not allow

00:15:46.100 to happen, um, with the former president. So, um, something that when I'm ready to share,

00:15:52.180 I'm going to bother you because I think it's just more about, um, the control. The reason I want to

00:15:58.060 speak about all of this in general is because I want people in an election year to understand,

00:16:03.200 um, the control that the mainstream media has and the inability for normal Americans to just

00:16:09.300 go and, and watch and hopefully learn the truth and be able to form their own opinions.

00:16:15.040 And if we're controlling things at a sports network, what are we doing at news networks?

00:16:20.640 You know? So I, I just took the opportunity and said, okay, I'm going to do it and take my orders.

00:16:27.980 Um, and I don't know that I would change anything that I did at that moment. The one,

00:16:32.100 one of the first questions, I don't know that it was in that clip, but it was about the president's

00:16:36.640 opinion on whether or not they should move that major league baseball all-star game from Atlanta.

00:16:41.900 It was coming up that summer.

00:16:43.220 We actually had that standby stage. Let me play that. And then you pick it up on the back end.

00:16:46.960 Here it is. Top three.

00:16:48.680 Tony Clark is the executive director of the major league baseball players association. He said

00:16:52.980 he would quote, look forward to discussing moving the all-star game out of Atlanta because Georgia

00:16:58.520 governor, Brian Kemp signed into law, a bill passed by the Republican led state legislature

00:17:02.920 to overhaul how it state elections are run. So, Mr. President, what do you think about the

00:17:07.580 possibility that baseball decides to move their all-star game out of Atlanta because of this

00:17:12.700 political issue?

00:17:15.840 I think today's professional athletes are acting incredibly responsibly.

00:17:23.180 I would strongly support them doing that. The very people who are victimized the most are the

00:17:29.900 people who are the leaders in these various sports. And it's just not right. This is Jim Crow on

00:17:36.560 steroids, what they're doing in Georgia and 40 other states. What it's all about? Imagine passing

00:17:43.080 the law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in the line to vote.

00:17:50.380 I have to say, I really liked Joe Biden better in the first clip we ran where he wasn't saying

00:17:55.760 anything.

00:17:58.320 I agree. And I have to tell you, sitting there listening to that, there was like a rage in my

00:18:03.460 belly because I'm saying, what do you mean passing laws against giving water to people? And it goes

00:18:09.300 all back to what? Do you think that because of the color of my skin, I'm not able, I'm not smart

00:18:15.140 enough to remember to bring my driver's license or to actually go get one in the first place?

00:18:20.300 Because to me, that's what all this talk leads to is racism, basically, for people like me who

00:18:27.060 apparently need assistance to do basic things in life. And that's what I, that was like the first

00:18:32.480 question, I think. And that's what I wanted to follow up with. And there were also technical

00:18:36.600 issues leading up to it where we couldn't get our crap together leading up to the beginning of the

00:18:40.540 interview. So I was having to like spill dead air with the president of the United States while 0.87

00:18:45.640 we're trying to get our shit figured out behind the scenes. I'm trying to hurry people up over 0.95

00:18:49.240 here and say, so how about your football career at Delaware? I mean, it was a very stressful

00:18:53.820 situation. Needless to say, I would have loved to have been able to really follow up and say,

00:18:57.480 wait, are you saying that, that, that I'm not able, there's so much there to me at the end of the

00:19:03.240 day. I mean, trust me, I know, I know. And it killed me because I felt like I wasn't able to be

00:19:10.480 a journal. I wasn't. I listen, I'm pretty good teleprompter reader, but like, that's all that

00:19:15.120 was, you know? And I think that again, people, our viewers, and that's what this is about. Again,

00:19:20.640 it's not about, oh, woe is me, whatever. I'm fine. I'm more than fine. And I'm grateful for every

00:19:25.380 moment at ESPN, even that one. It's really, if we don't continue to speak on this and the control

00:19:30.900 that the mainstream media has, the networks, even though I believe many people at ESPN and elsewhere

00:19:36.460 don't even believe what they're preaching, don't believe some of the craziness that's also

00:19:41.540 left-wing or woke in many ways with the coverage, they don't all believe it, but they're all just

00:19:46.900 following as well. So I just want people to know and to be careful as we enter this election cycle.

00:19:51.580 Do your homework, dig deeper, and don't believe everything that you watch, especially on those

00:19:55.120 networks. I want to tell the audience, we reached out to ESPN about this, and they declined comment

00:20:00.800 on whether they scripted your interview. Not surprisingly, there was no denial. A former

00:20:06.600 ESPN anchor who I believe you know, Keith Olbermann, shockingly, saw the opportunity to bash a woman

00:20:14.060 and weigh in here. That's his favorite thing. And he tweeted on X, whatever posted, of course it was

00:20:21.900 scripted. If it hadn't have been at Sage Steele, the dumbest person I've ever worked with in sports or 0.99

00:20:28.820 news, couldn't have gotten through it. I mean, Jesus, if this happened to you, you'd just assume 0.98

00:20:34.980 it wasn't being done to protect the network from you humiliating it and yourself. That's Keith

00:20:43.140 Olbermann's thought. I will note for the record, he also, at the same, like right around the time,

00:20:50.900 posted something else about Laura Ingram, calling her a DEI hire. He loves women, Sage, calling her

00:21:00.060 a DEI hire, and then dragged yours truly into it as well, saying the irony, of course, is that Ingram

00:21:05.860 angle, who was bashing DEI on her show, was a DEI hire by Fox after the O'Reilly scandal and the ousting

00:21:11.700 of Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren. I don't know what he means by ousting, but they offered me

00:21:17.360 $100 million to stay. So it wasn't really an asking. I just wanted to raise my children more

00:21:24.460 than I wanted all that money. So once again, he's wrong on every level, but would you care to respond

00:21:29.240 to the lovely former colleague of yours? You know, I'll say this. I saw that, and I just laughed. And

00:21:35.520 I actually, he spends a lot of energy on me. You know, that whole phrase, rent-free, living rent-free

00:21:40.720 in your head, apparently. I do. And it's so funny, because when I did work with him, I mean, Megan,

00:21:46.200 it was an honor at the time, because for those of us longtime sports fans who've watched DSPN

00:21:51.300 for decades, he was awesome at his job. Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick, back in the late 90s,

00:21:56.920 they were everything. He's so talented, yet so pathetic at this point in his life. Like, 0.98

00:22:04.120 it's really, really sad. I usually don't respond. I don't respond to anybody who's a race baiter or

00:22:09.300 anyone who I think is unstable, and that certainly is Keith Olbermann. I think I did the other day

00:22:13.520 to that. I know I did, because I went and found an old video clip from when he filled in for my

00:22:18.500 co-host on my show, and I was asked to go to New York because he couldn't leave his dogs overnight,

00:22:23.080 so I went to him instead of, I brought my show to him instead of him bringing himself up to Bristol

00:22:28.000 to me, and it was fine. I got a nice dinner on the company in New York City, but it was an honor

00:22:32.080 because of the history, like how historically great he was, and I used was past tense. And I was super

00:22:37.640 nice, and I was like, how are you? We chatted. He didn't get ugly with me online constantly until

00:22:43.560 I started to be true to myself, and that's kind of the hypocrisy with people like Keith,

00:22:48.240 is that, you know, they're great with, hey, you do you, and be true to who you are, and all the

00:22:53.100 things, and diversity, and tolerance, and acceptance, until what? Until you don't fit their

00:22:56.600 narrative. So with Keith, I don't even waste my time and energy on him because he goes crazy about

00:23:02.440 me, and you, and many others. He is truly a miserable human being, and if nothing else, 0.98

00:23:08.520 I don't even have hatred for him. I don't care. He's, it's sad to me to watch someone decline like 1.00

00:23:15.620 that and spend so much energy on people who obviously are a little bit envious of you and

00:23:23.060 Laura, maybe even me, right, because we don't care, and it is interesting that it's all women,

00:23:27.820 women who are strong and have stood up for themselves and stayed true to who they are.

00:23:33.180 The irony is not lost on me. His ex-girlfriend, he can't, he never misses an opportunity to bash her.

00:23:39.280 Yeah, and I like what, Laura Ingram is truly one of the smartest women on television. She, 1.00

00:23:44.660 she, I think she clerked for Justice Thomas. Like, this is no, he's talking about, oh, she's a DEI

00:23:50.300 her, because she's a, just because she's a woman, just because she's a woman, that means she didn't 1.00

00:23:54.680 deserve the job. That's what the left is criticizing the right for. You remember when the mayor of

00:24:01.520 Baltimore, who happens to be black, came out and some crazy ass people on the internet were like, 0.99

00:24:06.920 he's a DEI hire just because he's black. And they rightfully got pushback from people saying, 0.99

00:24:12.140 if DEI is just synonymous with black, I'm out. I'm all the same. I feel the same. I'm critical of DEI.

00:24:18.000 It's not a synonym for black. How do we know the guy's a DEI hire? Give me some facts. It's not like,

00:24:23.540 you know, Biden saying, I'm only going to hire a black woman and then hires a black woman. 1.00

00:24:27.900 That, yes, you could argue is a DEI hire. In any event, that's what Olbermann is doing. He just

00:24:32.280 sees a woman in the chair, Laura Ingram, who's brilliant, DEI hire, right? And I'm sure he thinks

00:24:38.640 the same of you and me and any, maybe his ex-girlfriend who is constantly suggesting is an 1.00

00:24:42.980 idiot. It's just disgusting. And it's completely blind, right? He's blind. He got, he got, he was 1.00

00:24:48.940 hired and fired three times just from ESPN, MSNBC, CNN, like every single, every single thing he does.

00:24:56.460 And I've said to my boss, I was like, what the hell are you doing? Why do you keep bringing

00:24:59.620 someone like this back when you know that they're not there to be part of a team? So that's just

00:25:03.980 ESPN. He's been fired everywhere he's been, which is why I guess he now stands on his balcony

00:25:08.440 overlooking Central Park with his cell phone and does selfies. I mean, enjoy.

00:25:12.680 Yep. Yes. Oh, by the way, I forgot. He also dated Laura Ingram. He's got, don't,

00:25:17.180 don't date Keith Olbermann. Okay. That's the bottom line. He told me about that. And we were

00:25:22.540 in his little office and she was on the screen and he's like, oh, I used to date her and whoever

00:25:26.640 else he said, I dated her too. And I was like, I'm leaving now. This is so gross. Ew.

00:25:36.400 Iowa has Caitlin Clark, who's become this huge star. She's amazing. And she's getting all this

00:25:42.000 attention and some nasty press reporters are upset about it. We read a piece on Friday with this

00:25:49.440 woman saying the face of women's basketball has been black and it needs to stay black.

00:25:55.900 Okay. Racist. Um, so she's getting a lot of hate from people like that. Of course, 1.00

00:26:03.280 Jamel Hill is weighed in like a lot of people taking shots at her. Um, Lynette Woodward, who I didn't 0.99

00:26:09.960 know, I confess I'm not a big WNBA or NBA person, but she came out to say her own scoring record

00:26:15.620 stands despite Caitlin Clark beating it because I guess they didn't have three pointers when she 0.99

00:26:22.020 was playing, which is just ridiculous. Here she is in slot six. Uh, I don't think my record has

00:26:27.400 been broken up because you can't duplicate what you're not duplicating. And, uh, so unless you

00:26:33.340 come up with a men's basketball and a two point shot, you know, but just for you, so you can

00:26:46.000 understand, so you can help me, uh, spread that word. What is that? Talk about ungracious.

00:26:54.280 And Sid Luckman was the greatest quarterback of all time because after him, they had face masks. I

00:26:59.540 mean, like ridiculous. Yeah. The sport changes, right? Well, it's like Jimmy Connor, you know, 0.91

00:27:07.160 or, or John McEnroe. Like tennis rackets were about this big. Uh huh. Yeah. It's, it's weird because I

00:27:13.560 mean, you know, I, I grew up in Connecticut around the time that UConn became like a national powerhouse

00:27:19.980 in both men's and women's basketball. And it was, it was sort of thing that entire time that people

00:27:25.840 like were demanding your attention for women's basketball. It was almost like a, this thing

00:27:30.700 where you had to, you had to get into it because it was, it was, there was equality and you had to

00:27:35.280 recognize the wonderful greatness of these athletes. And of course they're there, they, they do great,

00:27:39.620 amazing things and are great female basketball players, but like Caitlin Clark has done a totally 0.88

00:27:44.760 different thing. She's captured the entire attention of the nation. I have never, I never in my life.

00:27:51.220 Would I imagine that I cared more about the women's basketball final four than the men's. And that is

00:27:56.080 exactly where I was this year because of her solely because of her, uh, she has changed. I mean,

00:28:02.080 because she's an incredibly amazing player. It has nothing to do with her personality. It has nothing to do

00:28:07.700 with anything. It's just that she's just, she's completely changing the sport and doing things

00:28:12.620 that are out of this world. She's pulling up for shots that are as long or longer than Steph Curry

00:28:20.040 and Dame Lillard in the NBA. She's doing amazing things. And because of that, people are engaged in

00:28:26.260 it. And it is fascinating to watch these old school players. And of course you'll always have these

00:28:31.940 lines, you know, three point lines of rule change. It's not like some of these dumb racial complaints. 0.98

00:28:36.100 I understand the criticism or at least the, the, the delineation there. There's something to be said 0.96

00:28:41.300 for that, I suppose. But like at the end of the day, these rules change sports evolve. Uh, you know,

00:28:46.320 LeBron James made a lot more three pointers than Michael Jordan was. I don't think anybody believes

00:28:50.460 that Jordan couldn't have made a lot of threes. If that was the game style of the time, but at the

00:28:55.640 end of the day though, this is the thing that women's sports has been hoping for and praying for 1.00

00:29:00.680 forever for people who are just sports fans to watch it just for the sport, not because

00:29:05.880 they're guilted into it. She's done this by herself and she's getting hate for it. It's insane.

00:29:12.100 Honestly, I think you, the words you're looking for are thank you. Those are the words you're

00:29:16.440 looking for. Thank you. That's what you should be saying to Caitlin to his credit. LeBron James

00:29:20.920 tweeted out in support of her, uh, as follows. If you don't rock with Caitlin Clark game,

00:29:26.580 you're just a flat out hater. Stay far away from them. People please write on some very natural

00:29:33.000 reading LeBron James tweets, Megan. I don't know if anyone told you that before. Is that a cold

00:29:36.980 read or did you spend time? It was a cold read. I'm going to have to work on my, you know, I too

00:29:41.760 am an actor now, Dave. You're not the only actor on this set. I'm starring in a cartoon. I've been

00:29:46.700 talking to the audience. Oh yeah, that's right. No, you showed us. That's awesome. My acting chops.

00:29:51.180 So let's, can we not get crazy here though? People there, there is a ceiling for women's 1.00

00:29:56.380 sports. All right. Like I, you know, I was, I was hanging out recently with, um, MK hammer,

00:30:01.300 right. And she was apparently a very good athlete. And I said, I said, MK, this is going to sound

00:30:04.860 horrible. And I'm a big soccer fan, but it's just like women's soccer is just unwatchable. It's just 1.00

00:30:09.860 bad. It's slow. It just takes forever. And she looked at me and she said, Dave, you're right.

00:30:14.760 So there's a ceiling here to her credit. Right. And I'm sure that when she was on the field,

00:30:20.660 it felt much more exciting, but there is a ceiling here. And I think that we all have

00:30:24.400 to stop pretending that the WNBA is ever going to be the NBA. Cause it's not going to be,

00:30:29.260 but I will defend women's soccer. The only thing I don't like about women's soccer is Megan Rapinoe 1.00

00:30:34.420 and her ilk. I'm sick of these woke moralizers out there wearing our team Jersey bashing on America, 1.00

00:30:40.560 by the way, Megan Rapinoe's back at it on the wrong side of issues. I'll get to that in a bit. 0.99

00:30:45.500 Um, but look, I'll tell you this. We watch girls soccer all the time because my daughter's 1.00

00:30:50.040 soccer player and it's awesome. It's fast and it's exciting. And they're gunners,

00:30:53.140 but I don't know women's soccer well enough to defend it. You know, the way in response to what 1.00

00:30:58.420 you just said, I believe it was a 15 year old boys team of like Dallas FC, like beat the women's

00:31:05.140 national team. And that's a question about whether they're as good as the, as the men that,

00:31:08.940 but that's a question about whether they're as good as, and you know, as exciting as the men,

00:31:13.960 they're just not exciting in their own right. They need to play on a smaller field because

00:31:19.480 there's times that I watch women's soccer when there's like a long pass and like the ball stops, 1.00

00:31:23.620 the ball should never stop. That's you're watching the wrong game. No, I'm telling you my 12 year

00:31:30.100 olds, good players can get it down the field. All right. So I want to say something else on the,

00:31:34.480 the women's finals, the coach of the South Carolina team, which was victorious is named Dawn Staley.

00:31:42.600 And apparently she's a legend in women's basketball. Now she's coaching. And to his

00:31:48.860 credit, Dan Zakszewski, he's over at Outkick sports, got up before that game and put the

00:31:56.160 question to both coaches, the one for Iowa punted and the one Dawn who was coaching South Carolina

00:32:02.220 answered it as follows. Listen to the Q and a here. One of the major issues facing women's sports 0.79

00:32:08.000 right now is the debate discussion topic about the inclusion of transgender athletes.

00:32:12.600 biological males in women's sports. I was wondering if you would tell me your position on that

00:32:17.040 issue.

00:32:17.360 Um, yeah, take a look. Damn, you got deep on me. I, I, I'm on the, I mean, I'm on the, the opinion 0.99

00:32:36.400 of, of, if you're a woman, you should play. If you consider yourself a woman or, and you want to play sports or vice versa,

00:32:51.840 you should be able to play. So now the barnstorm of people are going to flood my timeline and be a

00:33:00.580 distraction to me. One of the biggest, uh, days of, of, of our game. And I'm okay with that. I really am.

00:33:11.040 Unbelievable. Complete turncoat to womankind. She gets out there. She gets to the position of power. 1.00

00:33:19.940 She gets all of her accolades and awards and all of this spawning praise and money. And when she has a

00:33:26.380 chance to do something for women coming up behind her, she pulls up the ladder and says, play against 1.00

00:33:31.000 the men. That's what she just did there. And you've got these lefties all over like Megan Rapinoe calling 1.00

00:33:36.280 her a national treasure, an ally, a revolutionary because she's just as guilty. Uh, there's this

00:33:44.100 columnist over at USA today sports, Nancy armor, who's a repeat violator of women's rights. She can't 1.00

00:33:52.680 find the female athlete. She wants to protect who also tweeted out. Dawn Staley is a goddamn national 1.00

00:33:59.420 treasure. Uh, you're a goddamn national disgrace, madam, because you have a pen in a very large 1.00

00:34:06.320 newspaper dwindling though, by the day, you too could stand up for women, but you're too cowardly 1.00

00:34:11.260 to do it. And you know why you're not a mother. You don't have to worry about your daughter having 0.99

00:34:17.580 to face some six foot four man out on the basketball court. Like I do. So I don't want to hear from you,

00:34:25.360 Dawn armor or Nancy armors, uh, bio calls her. So she calls herself a proud aunt of three boys. 0.98

00:34:32.680 So she doesn't even have nieces. And she, she says, I don't have all the answers,

00:34:36.840 but I'm always looking for more of them. I've got one for you, Nancy, shut the fuck up until you know 1.00

00:34:42.160 what you're talking about because girls are getting hurt by male basketball players posing as girls. 1.00

00:34:48.160 I take you out to Massachusetts where Lowell was playing in a game. The Lowell school was playing

00:34:55.340 in a game and they had to call it at the half because three players got hurt. Look at this girl 1.00

00:35:00.300 in the black shirt, go down. That's a man pretending to be a girl who took the ball from her. Look at 0.96

00:35:04.820 her. You watch this, Nancy, Dawn. You two watch this. Look at her writhing in pain after she was 1.00

00:35:14.000 injured by a boy pretending to be a girl trying to get up. She can't. She's so hurt.

00:35:20.300 Three others, two others, three total got hurt. They called the game. It's happening over and over

00:35:26.100 and over and over. I'm so sick of these women who are so terrified of the woke mob or trying to shore 1.00

00:35:32.360 up their own bona fides with this crowd, afraid to say what they know is right, which is it's not safe

00:35:39.740 and it's not fair. And I have a daughter who played basketball just weeks ago. And the thought

00:35:47.680 of her going up against a biological man on that court is terrifying. She would be in danger. But

00:35:54.020 because this legend, Dawn, decides to look woke and empathetic, she's endangered her and all the

00:36:02.340 other girls who play in this sport. I'm just we've had this discussion before, you guys. I just get so

00:36:06.660 fired up about it because not even a nod, not even a nod toward the issues that biological girls will 1.00

00:36:12.340 face if this does get permitted. And by the way, it's technically OK right now in in the NCAA. Dave,

00:36:19.260 what are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, look, there actually was a nod, right? It was a silent nod.

00:36:24.360 It was the 17 and a half minutes that it took Dawn Staley to answer the question between sips of water,

00:36:30.940 right? Because she knows she knows how abjectly absurd this is. Everybody involved in the conversation

00:36:38.400 knows how abjectly absurd it is. You show that video or you show the picture of Leah Thomas towering

00:36:44.180 over, you know, the women who she just beat in a swimming event. You know, you can't convince the

00:36:50.900 American people that this is normal or this is OK. Right now, Dawn Staley doesn't have to deal with 0.65

00:36:58.960 it. Right. I guarantee you, Megan, had 20 minutes later, Iowa decided, you know what? We're going

00:37:06.560 to start the center from the men's basketball team because lo and behold, he suddenly just decided he's

00:37:13.420 a woman. I bet Dawn Staley would have had a problem with that. Right. Until people are confronted with 1.00

00:37:19.180 it, they're willing to say, oh, well, it's none of your business. What's the difference? You go back to

00:37:23.300 the germ of the whole trans issue. And that was the number one argument. The number one argument was, 0.85

00:37:27.720 come on, guys, this is point oh, oh, oh percent of the population. It doesn't have any impact on

00:37:32.180 your life. Well, that changed because there's women's prisons. There's women's shelters. There's 1.00

00:37:36.760 women's sports. There's actual public policy at stake here. And so Dawn Staley is a coward. She proved 1.00

00:37:43.600 herself to be a coward. And what else is new? She is a coward that I'm sorry. She's a coward. You're 1.00

00:37:49.920 right. This isn't her first foray into the social justice wars. And we've seen the evidence of it in the 0.99

00:37:55.940 past. She was in 2021. She was behind her team. I had no problem with them taking the knee when we

00:38:03.400 played the national anthem. I think we've got video of it. Stand by. That's her team. All squatting

00:38:12.580 down. The reason the national anthem was playing all coaches stood. She thought it was fine. She's

00:38:19.520 tweeted out quite a bit on the social justice wars after Jacob Blake had his run in with cops in

00:38:26.180 Wisconsin where he pulled a knife on them and then wound up shot. She said she the reporting was she

00:38:32.560 hopped on Zoom calls with local reporters knowing she was the only prominent black coach at South

00:38:37.240 Carolina to speak about Jacob Blake. She tweeted past ridiculous with yet another black man shot by cops 0.98

00:38:45.360 in front of our very eyes. How many more before we see this end? I'm all for canceling all things 0.99

00:38:51.940 sports to focus on this matter. Hashtag BLM. Uh, when a disgruntled fan disgruntled, uh, claimed to be

00:38:59.460 done with Staley after her support of Jacob Blake, she vowed to be herself. Take it, leave it. I'll leave

00:39:05.120 it, madam. I'll leave it because you're coming at these issues from a place of over emotionality and not

00:39:11.200 facts. Hmm. And the facts are what is important, right? We're supposed to care and protect our

00:39:17.320 daughters. That's supposed to be something obvious. My son is a 12 years old and plays a lot of sports.

00:39:22.480 The biggest, strongest kid on his baseball team also plays football. And last year while playing

00:39:28.560 tackle, tackle football, he broke his back in a game, 12 years old. Now, thankfully he is fully

00:39:34.760 recovered, but he's a really strong kid, a big kid. And you think about this type of thing,

00:39:41.320 when you're talking about a sport where contact is involved and in basketball, it is, it's a part

00:39:46.000 of the game. Uh, you put up girls against, uh, boys in that realm, like really bad things can happen.

00:39:54.000 We should be doing everything we can to protect women. And a lot of people would think, well,

00:39:57.460 football is a, uh, is a, is a different thing. It's, it's a physical sport. Uh, and it's true,

00:40:02.820 but why do you think it's a different thing? If there's no difference between these genders, 0.98

00:40:06.320 if there's no problem with this, why wouldn't you want your daughter playing football with a

00:40:11.120 bunch of boys? You wouldn't because it's insane. It's obviously insane. And I just, you watch this

00:40:18.100 and you can't believe people come to these conclusions. And I will say on her answer in

00:40:22.440 particular, if it, if it's taking you that long to answer, there's a reason for it. You know what

00:40:29.840 you're seeing, you know, there's some, some line you're trying to walk. Honestly, if it takes that

00:40:33.720 long, that was about the most egregious example I've ever seen. If it takes you that long to

00:40:36.800 answer a question, the only way, the only thing you should do at that point is fake a medical

00:40:39.820 condition, just like act like you're about to faint and then fall over. It's your only way out of it.

00:40:45.900 Well, the other, uh, you, you can, here's how the other coach, the, the coach of Iowa responded,

00:40:52.260 which in her, in defense of Don Staley, the other coach went second. So it was probably easier,

00:40:58.480 right? Cause she was conferring with her team. Holy shit. They're going to ask me that question.

00:41:02.060 Here's how she answered. Um, well, thank you for the question. Uh, you know, I understand it's a

00:41:08.140 topic that people are interested in. Uh, but today my focus is on the game tomorrow, my players. Um,

00:41:15.400 this is an important game we have tomorrow and that's what I want to be here to talk about,

00:41:19.140 but I know it's an important issue for another time. Better, better. Uh, by the way,

00:41:25.920 it wasn't just Lynn, Massachusetts where, you know, a six foot tall male tried to play against

00:41:32.620 girls. And in that particular instance, I told you three girls got hurt in San Francisco. We just

00:41:37.500 saw this at Waldorf high school. Um, the captain of the girls team, a boy, Henry competed in girls

00:41:45.920 sports for at least the last three years, ranked number four in scoring in the North coast section

00:41:51.780 of California with an average of 20.8 points per game. And at a January game scored 26 points,

00:41:59.560 towering, towering over the girls. Dawn Staley wants a whole lot more of it. I don't want my kid 0.99

00:42:06.060 having anything to do with that NCAA or women's NBA. It's wrong. It's wrong on just so many levels

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00:43:18.040 You know, I look around at like the state of womankind and I'm worried. I'm worried about our

00:43:23.140 girls, how anxious they are, how depressed they are, not our girls on this set, but you know,

00:43:28.800 I'm talking about America's girls and how we're at record levels of anxiety and depression and

00:43:34.320 suicidal ideation and the messages that they get every day through Instagram and TikTok and Snapchat

00:43:41.140 and these false images of women, half of whom are walking around literally half naked with these

00:43:47.500 artificial bodies as this impossible beauty standard that these girls never should even seek

00:43:52.140 to attain. Nevermind try to with the surgeries, the enormous, this, the tiny, that all combined.

00:43:57.560 Um, and we're medicalizing them. And I saw Ali Beth, you did something on this in your show recently,

00:44:05.560 but we are now we do it with boys too, but we're basically treating, starting to treat these girls 1.00

00:44:12.520 as like the hysterics from, you know, like the forties where if you had any sort of natural human

00:44:19.840 emotions, you were soon to be shipped off to the asylum, right? Like the husband would have you shipped

00:44:25.400 off or heavily medicated? And it's like, it's happening again. So can you talk about the

00:44:32.280 interview you did on a recent podcast on this, Ali? Because I thought this is a good topic.

00:44:36.900 Yeah. Yeah. We've done quite a few episodes on this recently. I've had a psychologist on the show

00:44:44.280 to talk about this, just the medicalizing of normal behavior, especially in children. So with boys,

00:44:51.040 very often they are given the diagnosis of ADHD. I'm not saying that that's always inaccurate,

00:44:56.080 but sometimes boys are just trambunctious and they don't want to be seated for eight hours a day. And

00:45:00.620 so you medicalize them to tame them, to make sure that they can sit there basically like zombies.

00:45:06.260 And for young girls, especially teen girls who are hormonal, emotional, and moody, very often they

00:45:12.180 are placed on birth control, which makes it worse. And then they're placed on some kind of SSRI.

00:45:17.620 And rather than just being told, Hey, it's normal to be sad. It's normal to be worried. They are told,

00:45:24.440 no, you are depressed. No, you have anxiety. No, you have these kinds of pathologies that we have

00:45:30.120 to medicate. And they are not told that this can radically transform your personality. This can change

00:45:36.520 your ability to pay attention, to feel joy, to feel real sadness. It just kind of numbs you.

00:45:44.760 And I'm not saying that medication should be condemned in all cases. I'm not saying that at

00:45:50.340 all, but we are no longer teaching our young people, especially our young girls who you're

00:45:55.320 right, Megan, have so much on their plate right now and are facing so much rather than dealing

00:46:00.560 with those root causes. We're saying, Hey, here, take Lexapro, take this Prozac, take this

00:46:06.400 Wellbutrin and numb all of the pain. Don't think about it. And it'll just be fine. Then they're waking up

00:46:12.680 at 25, remembering that they don't remember the last 12 years of their life. And all of

00:46:17.240 these chickens have not yet come home to roost yet. And I am scared of what the future will look

00:46:21.940 like when they do. I will say a word in defense of birth control. I was on it for basically my

00:46:28.180 entire reproductive years, which I'm still technically in, but it's not happening. I have

00:46:33.940 no fallopian tubes. So for one thing, also, I'm now as old as Methuselah. In any event, I liked

00:46:40.380 being on the birth control. I was not one of those people who had any emotional response

00:46:44.860 to it. And I loved it for, among other reasons, you can have safe sex and you can control your

00:46:49.460 family planning, but it also really helped me up with my skin. And I had acne, I mean,

00:46:54.000 pretty much through my forties and it really helped me. So I know there's some pushback in

00:46:58.180 some corners on birth control, but I am a big fan. But to the point of like the SSRIs, Brit,

00:47:03.880 and how over-prescribed they are now, especially to these young girls, I am with Ali Beth. I have

00:47:10.000 real concerns about medicalizing emotions and also wallowing in any sadness or trauma. You know,

00:47:22.260 the older I get, the more I really feel like compartmentalization works. The solution is not

00:47:30.160 to get mired in the bad things that have happened to you. As much as you can kind of go Presbyterian

00:47:36.580 and shove it down. Sorry, Doug, he's Presbyterian. Honestly, the better that I really think that 1.00

00:47:45.720 works. And the more you lean into poor me and that happened to the worse off you are.

00:47:51.060 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we live in a culture of quick fix and honestly, anything can be fixed under a

00:47:59.720 knife. You want to change your gender? Here's a knife. You want to look 20 and you're 45? Here's a 0.97

00:48:05.380 knife. You, you know, so we're in this hyper-medicalized society that's also driven by really not

00:48:12.380 addressing root causes. It's just a series of band-aids. I actually, I, so you don't know a whole

00:48:17.440 lot about my childhood, not to get into it, but it was very, very dark. And I went through a lot of

00:48:21.680 like extremely challenging things and the Lord redeemed so much of that. But when I was dealing

00:48:30.040 with a lot of the trauma from my childhood, I was getting ready to get married. And I started seeing

00:48:35.780 one of the best therapists in San Diego to help me walk through it. And all the trauma started to

00:48:41.500 come back up, which is a common phenomenon if you haven't dealt with it, cause you've shoved it down

00:48:44.960 and it's repressed. So everything started coming back up. And the first thing was throwing pills

00:48:49.320 at every manifestation of the trauma. And I ended up on so many medications and, um, you know, it,

00:48:58.560 it numbed me. I was on so many mental and physical numbers that I just felt like I was in this haze

00:49:05.660 and I was doing a lot of acting and Hollywood at the time. And I just remember like popping pills just

00:49:10.880 to get through auditions and then having panic attacks set in. And then there was a pill for that.

00:49:15.020 You know, there was always a fixed pill, but it was never getting to the real route. And even with

00:49:19.280 this amazing therapist, it was just toss pills at me. Um, so then when I got married and wanted to,

00:49:25.460 we wanted to start having, you know, having a family, I was like, I have to get off all this

00:49:30.040 medication. And it was probably one of the most difficult and challenging seasons of my life that no

00:49:37.420 one prepared me for was to get off all the medication. It's the physical taxation on your

00:49:44.760 body that that takes and the mental turmoil to get off of all these controlling drugs that have

00:49:51.560 numbed you for so long. So for all these girls who are just being thrown medicine right now, it's like,

00:49:57.360 that's not a long-term game plan. And eventually they're going to hit a point where they're going

00:50:02.160 to want to get off of that. And then the trauma all floods back. If you haven't actually dealt with

00:50:07.560 what's at the bottom, you know, it's still there when you get off all the drugs. So I just think

00:50:14.620 that our society in general, it it's too much of a push to medicalize as a fix it when instead of

00:50:23.200 actually addressing, um, the root and also looking at, look, this was the past. The past was this big

00:50:29.100 on a whiteboard, but you've got all of this, all of this, that the Lord can redeem and that can be

00:50:34.620 for the good. And that was for me, the biggest shift was seeing that and seeing how much potential

00:50:39.220 I still had to live life free of the past work through it. But the, the medication was just a

00:50:46.580 very temporary bandaid that actually caused more harm than good. I, I completely understand that. I,

00:50:52.920 for me, I did not have dramatic trauma in my childhood. I mean, my dad died at a very young

00:50:59.380 age. And so that was traumatic, but I didn't have, you know, abuse or anything like that.

00:51:03.500 Thank God. And, but I will say that my therapist who I love, and I had another great one when I was

00:51:09.040 getting divorced from my first husband, they were very, and have been very like present focused.

00:51:15.600 Neither one was interested in discuss, discussing past trauma. It was, it's very much like,

00:51:19.500 how are you feeling now? And how are you dealing with those feelings? And here are some other

00:51:24.080 alternatives for how to deal with how you're feeling. And that for me has worked wonderfully.

00:51:29.280 It doesn't require the dredging up of any painful experience. It's just new tools for managing

00:51:34.080 emotions, which is really important. But I know like a lot of my friends now, you know, we're,

00:51:39.540 we're all getting older. And so my kids are a little on the younger side, but a lot of my friends have

00:51:43.580 kids who are a little older who now are getting the SSRIs pushed on them. I mean, everywhere.

00:51:49.500 It's like, you go to the guidance counselor. They want to put you on one of these things.

00:51:53.080 And you talked with somebody, Allie Beth, um, she won chopped. She won chopped a couple of years ago,

00:52:00.060 Brooke, a chef. We pulled a soundbite. There's a little bit of it. And then, um, you react on the

00:52:05.400 backside. So 47. I had spent the better part of my twenties in New York city. I was objectively

00:52:11.380 miserable. I was, um, really depressed. I was having a lot of suicidal ideation. I had no emotion

00:52:17.820 to anything. And it just kind of dawned on me that I had spent my entire adult life

00:52:25.440 on powerful psychiatric drugs and that if they were working, I wouldn't be thinking about these

00:52:31.200 things. And on top of that, it just bothered me that I clearly was so deeply unhappy in my life.

00:52:39.060 And I had made the decision that led me to that point through the lens of, of a powerful

00:52:44.860 psychoactive agent. So I kind of started to wonder if I would have made the same decisions had I

00:52:49.840 not been medicated.

00:52:53.920 Thank you so much for sharing part of Brooke's story. I mean, she is an amazing person, but a very,

00:52:59.000 very strong person. And once part of the conversation, we were talking about how, um,

00:53:04.920 when she decided to get off the drugs, cold Turkey, which she's not saying that she recommends talk to 0.99

00:53:10.880 your doctor, but she decided, okay, I just don't want to do this anymore. She got off those drugs

00:53:15.720 and she had all of these just awful, awful thoughts, thoughts of suicide, thoughts of, uh, violence just

00:53:23.800 out of her mind. Um, and then, but she also had these small windows of feeling joy. And so it was that

00:53:33.640 those small windows of feeling joy for really the first time in her life. And she got off those

00:53:39.300 medications that made her hold on and reminded her, okay, I'm not actually crazy. If I can hold

00:53:45.900 on to these small feelings of joy that I've never had while on these medications, then maybe I could

00:53:52.540 hold out. And eventually those feelings of joy and the feelings of normalcy, they got longer and longer

00:53:59.100 to where she finally was able to live a normally and mentally stable or normal and mentally stable

00:54:06.160 life. Um, and she realized that her childhood was really taken from her, maybe with good intentions.

00:54:12.260 Um, her dad died. And so she had to deal with all of that. Uh, but she really didn't get to experience

00:54:18.760 the normal range of human emotions because her sadness was called depression and anxiety.

00:54:23.720 And she was medicated into numbness for about 20 years of her life.

00:54:28.180 Oh, we have sadness. It's, it's human. And sometimes it lasts for a few months. A few years

00:54:34.340 is rough. That's a different story, but you can get help in, in handling sadness. That's non

00:54:41.320 pill related. You can do things to make sure you're sleeping better, which is so critical. You can exercise.

00:54:47.280 That's a natural way of improving mood and endorphins. You know, you can work out, you can improve

00:54:52.300 your sleep. You can improve your nutrition. You can make my, my therapist always says three social a

00:54:57.460 week. That's what he wants me to do. Three social. Um, so I'm like, does this count? This feels social.

00:55:02.220 I don't know. Anyway, but that's good, right? Just to get out there a little bit, put yourself out

00:55:07.040 there. I'm not saying this is a prescription for everybody. And I know that SSRIs have helped a lot

00:55:11.300 of people, but we're just, it's too knee jerk now. It's too quick and it's becoming too common.

00:55:16.340 You women are delightful. 1.00

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