Best of the Week： Attacks on Women in Sports, Israel and Christians, Sadness in Our Culture and More
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Victor Davis Hanson walks us through the history of the relationship between Christians and Israel, and explains why there is no such thing as a Christian ally in the Middle East, and why Christians should not be pro-Israel.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's weekend best of special.
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It's been a crazy week on the show with the death of O.J. Simpson and an abortion announcement from
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former President Donald Trump, I guess I should say abortion policy,
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that drew fire from both sides of the aisle. But on today's special, I want to bring you four
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segments featuring some of our favorites. The brilliant Victor Davis Hanson was here,
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and through his vast on-the-ground experience and historical knowledge, which is like incredible,
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I mean like a steel trap, that guy's mind, for facts on any historical story, it's great.
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He walked us through the true status of Christians and Israel. It was very interesting.
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Sage Steele came on, gave the full backstory to her scripted and officially approved ESPN interview
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with President Biden. She found it just as annoying as anybody would and talked about
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exactly what they did to her over there. And her interactions with the sad, pathetic man
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known as Keith Olbermann. Stu Bergeers, Dave Marcus, they both came on. We love our Stu and Dave days.
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Speaking about the crazy reaction from some to Kaitlyn Clark's rise in the women's basketball world.
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Like, people are lunatics, but it's fun to expose them. And I spoke about the comments from South
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Carolina's cowardly head coach, not to mention a terrible, terrible sports columnist for USA Today,
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both of whom refused to support biological women and girls in sport. Not to be forgotten,
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we got deep with two women who we absolutely adore, Ali Beth Stuckey and Britt Mayer, about SSRIs,
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therapy, and sadness in our culture today from all of our personal experiences. I think you're
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going to enjoy this and I'll talk to you next week. One of the things that's happening in our
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country right now with respect to this conflict, Israel, Palestine, Hamas, as yes, these lefties
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who we just saw on Dearborn are marching, saying things like death to America. But also on the right,
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there's a considerable growing, dare I say, faction that is making the case that Israel's gone too far
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or that this is not in America's interest to be supporting Israel in this conflict at all.
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And even in some cases, making the case that Christians should not be in favor of America's
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support for Israel here, given the death toll and given its residual effects on Christians in Israel.
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Israel. And if you go online for two minutes, you'll see this debate breaking out within the
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Republican Party about whether this is, whether we have any proper role in this conflict, whether
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it's supporting Israel. We're not, obviously, nobody's calling for our boots to be on the ground,
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including Israel. But the support that we're giving, is it appropriate? Should we get out? And
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is there some growing divide between Christians and Jews?
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I think a lot of it's based on ignorance. I really do. Because if anybody, I've been to Israel a lot
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in the West Bank. And if anybody goes to, say, Bethlehem, or they go into Lebanon, what's happening all
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over the Middle East, Megan, is Christians are being ethnically cleansed. If you look at the population,
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I think, of Bethlehem in the late 90s, I went there as early as the 70s. It was 80, there were 70 or 80%
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Christian. It's down to about 10 or 20%. And the same is true of villages in Lebanon. And so,
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Christians themselves, not their spokesmen who have to... The problem we have when we have Christians
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in the Middle East that are living in Gaza, there's not many, they've been ethnically cleansed from Gaza,
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most of them. But if they're speaking in Syria, or they're speaking in the Palestinian Authority,
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they're terrified. And everything they say is monitored. So mostly the Christians are very
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anti-Israel, the spokespeople. But when you look at actual events on the ground, they have fled.
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They either go to Europe, or mostly to America, or Israel. I think Israel is getting close to having
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200,000 Christians. And they're not people who were there in 1947, necessarily. Most of them
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came to Israel as the refuge from religious persecution by Muslim governments. And I think
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most of the evangelical community that I know of is still very pro-Israel. I think what we're talking
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about is the libertarian right intellectual movement. And I understand, you know, I know that Tucker Carlson
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has voiced some things. Candace Owens has. The Cato Institute's been really vocal. There's some
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people on that website who've called for breaking relations almost with Israel. But I don't think
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it represents most Christians, much less most Americans. But I don't know quite what their
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arguments, because I've seen so many of them, you know. It doesn't take a lot of brains to say
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there's 500 million people in the Middle East, and there's 12 million that live on a democratic
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government. And that is the only democratic constitutional system there. And when you go
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to Haifa, or Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, and I have been to every Arab country in the Middle East, and you go to,
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except Emirates, I haven't been there, but if you go to Tunis, or you go to Tripoli, or you go to Cairo,
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and these are moderate countries. You go to Jordan, you go to Baghdad,
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you go to Beirut, you go to Damascus, and then just compare it, going to Haifa, for example. And
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it's just night and day. None of these people who are saying death to America, if they dared to go
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back into their own countries, and they said death to Assad, or death to the Palestinian, or death to
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Hamas, they would be killed, or they'd be in jail. But they wouldn't, if you're in Israel, and you say
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death to Netanyahu, you're not. And so it's a, it's a, it's not Muslim Christian, it's just an
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empirical difference between a free society that lives by the rule of law, and its neighbors who do
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most for the, for the vast majority do not. And anybody on the right who can't make that distinction
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is, I, I, I don't think, I don't know what you do with them, but, uh, it's, it's a no-brainer.
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Well, our audience should know you're, in addition to the classics that you teach, you're an expert in
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warfare. You've written a lot of books on it, you've studied a lot of conflicts, seen how they
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played out. And I heard you on your show, which I love, uh, talking about this, yes, you've talked in
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the past about proportionality, but you were talking about like the extreme response to Israel
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after it, I don't know if the word is inadvertently, but mistakenly killed these central kitchen
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workers. Um, their van was labeled that it was clear that they, or should have been clear that
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they were not combatants for Hamas, but Israel made a mistake and they fired two people over it,
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but still you've got innocents now who are dead. And this has led to President Biden, many others
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saying, that's it. Like you've got to change it. That's the Kamala Harris soundbite. You've got to
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change your tactics. So we're going to change ours. And you know, you, you brought your hefty dose of
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reality. If we want to take a hard look at civilian deaths in a, in a war conflict.
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Well, I mean, I walked through Fallujah about a year and a half after we retook it and it looked like
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a moonscape and we were doing all we could not to kill civilians that were intertwined within the
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sons of the Ba'athist and ISIS. And we leveled Mosul or actually the Iraqi forces with our help
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and air power leveled Mosul. And I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say anything. I didn't hear
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anybody in Dearborn say, my God, we stand with Chechnya. Putin, when we had the second Chechnya
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war, he leveled Grozny, leveled it. It didn't even exist. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say a
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word. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn ever object to what the Taliban were doing to women.
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I really didn't hear that. And so I don't hear anybody talking today. There's a million
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Muslim Uyghurs in China that are being oppressed. I hear Blinken talking about it and equating the
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Gazans with the Uyghurs, but I don't hear anybody in Dearborn. So there's something else is what I'm
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trying to say going on. And when you look at the usual ratio, it's three or four civilians to one
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is pretty good. I don't mean anything's good in urban warfare, but there's outside observers who've
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come back and said the number of actual militants, terrorists, combatants who were killed versus
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civilians is about one to one or 1.5 to one. And that shows you that's a great deal of care.
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And you know, the other thing, it's really bizarre, Megan. We have two wars going on. And
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I haven't heard anybody on the left, and I haven't heard this administration say to Mr.
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And I support Mr. Zelensky's right to defense. I'm glad we give them weapons. And I break with
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some people on the right. I don't want to go into Moscow or attack Russia on the offensive,
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but to defend themselves, they have a right. But have you heard anybody say, Mr. Zelensky,
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you need a wartime bipartisan government, just like we made Mr. Netanyahu do? No,
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he canceled elections. He canceled habeas corpus. He outlawed political party. Do they ever say to
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the Ukrainians, you've got to be proportionate, do not be disproportionate and start something?
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No. Do they ever say when you go back, when you send drones into Crimea on bridges and highways to
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disrupt transportation of the Russian military, you've got to be very careful about collateral
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damage. You've got to have collateral damage. Now, I think it's very sad that there's been 30,
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maybe 30, we don't, 1,000, we don't know how many people have been killed in Gaza.
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We do know there's somewhere between 700,000 and 800,000 dead, wounded, and missing Russians
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and Ukrainians. We're beyond the Battle of Verdun in World War I. We're getting close to the Battle
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of Song territory. And I haven't heard anybody in this administration say, we need a ceasefire right
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now. This is the largest carnage that we've seen since World War II, and it's right in Europe.
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We've got to do something. 700,000, 800,000 people have been destroyed, 12 million people,
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28 percent of Ukraine has left the country. It doesn't even have 45 million. It's down to about
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30 million. They're running out of manpower. They are destroying that country. I haven't heard
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anything, no ceasefire talk. And yet we say to the Jewish state, ceasefire can't be disproportionate,
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got to have coalition government, you've got no collateral damage, and it's bizarre. And everybody
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said, well, Russia started it. They went in there. So what do you expect Ukraine to do?
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Yeah, I agree with that. And Hamas broke a ceasefire. What do you expect Israel to do?
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And by the way, there's not three dozen Americans dead, killed by design by the Russians in that
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conflict, right? That's what we have here. Hamas took Americans, killed them, and still have five
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American hostage. I got to take a break. And why, Megan, you made a really excellent point.
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I feel terrible about the Wall Street Journal reporter, but everybody is obsessed on one
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American hostage, and they should be, that Russia has taken. But they don't say one word. We still
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have five or six American hostages that are somewhere in that tunnel, if not dead. I never
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hear Mr. Biden say anything publicly about that. So there's a big asymmetry, and they should explain
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why that is on these two wars. Yeah, they're not the same. The growing sentiment among Republicans
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in particular against the Ukraine war is spilling over into the Israeli conflict, from which much
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less has been asked of the United States. Israel's doing its own thing. Ukraine is asking for more
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and more from us. So I don't know why they're getting lumped together. Maybe there are other
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reasons. You were basically saying everything that you asked, they controlled. And you said
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every single word, and they told you no follow-ups. And so we actually, the sound that I do have
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is we pulled some of the questions from the interview so that the audience could hear what
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was ESPN approved? Like, how did they, what did they say it's okay for Sage Steele to actually
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ask? Here's some of that. We are obviously still in the rollout phase of the COVID-19 vaccine.
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How do you envision this season going with so much up in the air still? You talk specifically
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about athletes and fans, many of whom have gotten the vaccine, others looking forward to
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it. There are people who are hesitant, athletes who are hesitant. So Mr. President, if you're in
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a clubhouse or a locker room with those athletes, what would you say to those who are hesitant to
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get vaccinated? Governor Greg Abbott lifted the mask mandate. So the Texas Rangers say there will
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not be any attendance restrictions. Mr. President, 40,000 people with masks required, except when
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actively eating and drinking. What are your thoughts on the Rangers' decision? Mr. Goodell said
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Tuesday, the league is making plans to open its stadiums to full capacity for the upcoming season.
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What's your reaction to Commissioner Goodell's decision right now? Mr. President,
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I know you're a sports fan. I know the first lady, Dr. Jill Biden, is a sports fan. So can
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you give us a glimpse, when Dr. Biden is watching Philly's games, what is she like?
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Oh, I'm sure they had that Dr. Biden thing written in there.
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I wouldn't have said doctor. No, because she's fake news, doctor. It's not real. I'm sorry, but it isn't.
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So what, when they, when you had this conversation, because I know a lot of journalists have said,
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well, I never would have allowed them to do that. And I, I said on my show last week,
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listen, uh, and I happen to know you, but it wasn't an attack on you. But I said a lot of
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journalists, and I know this is true in your case, you're basically a single mom. You got three mouths
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to feed. You need this job. And it's great for somebody on the sidelines to be like, oh, I would have
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thrown down and, you know, taken on. It's a very different reality when you're you in this
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position, having to feed your children. And you know, very well, what pushback is going to get you.
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Exactly. I don't know that I would have done anything differently either, because you have
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to know which battles to choose. I had already chosen a couple of battles along the way. Um, and
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actually there were a lot more that came just a couple of months later. So, you know, there it's,
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do you want to interview the sitting president of the United States or not? And if you want to,
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then these are the questions and we will, we will get back to you with what you will be saying. Um,
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you know, I, I, it was a scary time and this was right after the election. So this is 2021,
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March, 2021. And I did it. I, you know, I, there's a lot of reasons why I think I was given the
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interview in the first place. Um, and it's based on, um, some other things that they did not allow
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to happen, um, with the former president. So, um, something that when I'm ready to share,
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I'm going to bother you because I think it's just more about, um, the control. The reason I want to
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speak about all of this in general is because I want people in an election year to understand,
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um, the control that the mainstream media has and the inability for normal Americans to just
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go and, and watch and hopefully learn the truth and be able to form their own opinions.
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And if we're controlling things at a sports network, what are we doing at news networks?
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You know? So I, I just took the opportunity and said, okay, I'm going to do it and take my orders.
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Um, and I don't know that I would change anything that I did at that moment. The one,
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one of the first questions, I don't know that it was in that clip, but it was about the president's
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opinion on whether or not they should move that major league baseball all-star game from Atlanta.
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We actually had that standby stage. Let me play that. And then you pick it up on the back end.
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Tony Clark is the executive director of the major league baseball players association. He said
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he would quote, look forward to discussing moving the all-star game out of Atlanta because Georgia
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governor, Brian Kemp signed into law, a bill passed by the Republican led state legislature
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to overhaul how it state elections are run. So, Mr. President, what do you think about the
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possibility that baseball decides to move their all-star game out of Atlanta because of this
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I think today's professional athletes are acting incredibly responsibly.
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I would strongly support them doing that. The very people who are victimized the most are the
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people who are the leaders in these various sports. And it's just not right. This is Jim Crow on
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steroids, what they're doing in Georgia and 40 other states. What it's all about? Imagine passing
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the law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in the line to vote.
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I have to say, I really liked Joe Biden better in the first clip we ran where he wasn't saying
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I agree. And I have to tell you, sitting there listening to that, there was like a rage in my
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belly because I'm saying, what do you mean passing laws against giving water to people? And it goes
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all back to what? Do you think that because of the color of my skin, I'm not able, I'm not smart
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enough to remember to bring my driver's license or to actually go get one in the first place?
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Because to me, that's what all this talk leads to is racism, basically, for people like me who
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apparently need assistance to do basic things in life. And that's what I, that was like the first
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question, I think. And that's what I wanted to follow up with. And there were also technical
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issues leading up to it where we couldn't get our crap together leading up to the beginning of the
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interview. So I was having to like spill dead air with the president of the United States while
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we're trying to get our shit figured out behind the scenes. I'm trying to hurry people up over
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here and say, so how about your football career at Delaware? I mean, it was a very stressful
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situation. Needless to say, I would have loved to have been able to really follow up and say,
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wait, are you saying that, that, that I'm not able, there's so much there to me at the end of the
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day. I mean, trust me, I know, I know. And it killed me because I felt like I wasn't able to be
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a journal. I wasn't. I listen, I'm pretty good teleprompter reader, but like, that's all that
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was, you know? And I think that again, people, our viewers, and that's what this is about. Again,
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it's not about, oh, woe is me, whatever. I'm fine. I'm more than fine. And I'm grateful for every
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moment at ESPN, even that one. It's really, if we don't continue to speak on this and the control
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that the mainstream media has, the networks, even though I believe many people at ESPN and elsewhere
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don't even believe what they're preaching, don't believe some of the craziness that's also
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left-wing or woke in many ways with the coverage, they don't all believe it, but they're all just
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following as well. So I just want people to know and to be careful as we enter this election cycle.
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Do your homework, dig deeper, and don't believe everything that you watch, especially on those
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networks. I want to tell the audience, we reached out to ESPN about this, and they declined comment
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on whether they scripted your interview. Not surprisingly, there was no denial. A former
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ESPN anchor who I believe you know, Keith Olbermann, shockingly, saw the opportunity to bash a woman
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and weigh in here. That's his favorite thing. And he tweeted on X, whatever posted, of course it was
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scripted. If it hadn't have been at Sage Steele, the dumbest person I've ever worked with in sports or
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news, couldn't have gotten through it. I mean, Jesus, if this happened to you, you'd just assume
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it wasn't being done to protect the network from you humiliating it and yourself. That's Keith
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Olbermann's thought. I will note for the record, he also, at the same, like right around the time,
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posted something else about Laura Ingram, calling her a DEI hire. He loves women, Sage, calling her
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a DEI hire, and then dragged yours truly into it as well, saying the irony, of course, is that Ingram
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angle, who was bashing DEI on her show, was a DEI hire by Fox after the O'Reilly scandal and the ousting
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of Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren. I don't know what he means by ousting, but they offered me
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$100 million to stay. So it wasn't really an asking. I just wanted to raise my children more
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than I wanted all that money. So once again, he's wrong on every level, but would you care to respond
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to the lovely former colleague of yours? You know, I'll say this. I saw that, and I just laughed. And
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I actually, he spends a lot of energy on me. You know, that whole phrase, rent-free, living rent-free
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in your head, apparently. I do. And it's so funny, because when I did work with him, I mean, Megan,
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it was an honor at the time, because for those of us longtime sports fans who've watched DSPN
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for decades, he was awesome at his job. Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick, back in the late 90s,
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they were everything. He's so talented, yet so pathetic at this point in his life. Like,
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it's really, really sad. I usually don't respond. I don't respond to anybody who's a race baiter or
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anyone who I think is unstable, and that certainly is Keith Olbermann. I think I did the other day
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to that. I know I did, because I went and found an old video clip from when he filled in for my
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co-host on my show, and I was asked to go to New York because he couldn't leave his dogs overnight,
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so I went to him instead of, I brought my show to him instead of him bringing himself up to Bristol
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to me, and it was fine. I got a nice dinner on the company in New York City, but it was an honor
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because of the history, like how historically great he was, and I used was past tense. And I was super
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nice, and I was like, how are you? We chatted. He didn't get ugly with me online constantly until
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I started to be true to myself, and that's kind of the hypocrisy with people like Keith,
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is that, you know, they're great with, hey, you do you, and be true to who you are, and all the
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things, and diversity, and tolerance, and acceptance, until what? Until you don't fit their
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narrative. So with Keith, I don't even waste my time and energy on him because he goes crazy about
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me, and you, and many others. He is truly a miserable human being, and if nothing else,
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I don't even have hatred for him. I don't care. He's, it's sad to me to watch someone decline like
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that and spend so much energy on people who obviously are a little bit envious of you and
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Laura, maybe even me, right, because we don't care, and it is interesting that it's all women,
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women who are strong and have stood up for themselves and stayed true to who they are.
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The irony is not lost on me. His ex-girlfriend, he can't, he never misses an opportunity to bash her.
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Yeah, and I like what, Laura Ingram is truly one of the smartest women on television. She,
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she, I think she clerked for Justice Thomas. Like, this is no, he's talking about, oh, she's a DEI
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her, because she's a, just because she's a woman, just because she's a woman, that means she didn't
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deserve the job. That's what the left is criticizing the right for. You remember when the mayor of
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Baltimore, who happens to be black, came out and some crazy ass people on the internet were like,
00:24:06.920
he's a DEI hire just because he's black. And they rightfully got pushback from people saying,
00:24:12.140
if DEI is just synonymous with black, I'm out. I'm all the same. I feel the same. I'm critical of DEI.
00:24:18.000
It's not a synonym for black. How do we know the guy's a DEI hire? Give me some facts. It's not like,
00:24:23.540
you know, Biden saying, I'm only going to hire a black woman and then hires a black woman.
00:24:27.900
That, yes, you could argue is a DEI hire. In any event, that's what Olbermann is doing. He just
00:24:32.280
sees a woman in the chair, Laura Ingram, who's brilliant, DEI hire, right? And I'm sure he thinks
00:24:38.640
the same of you and me and any, maybe his ex-girlfriend who is constantly suggesting is an
00:24:42.980
idiot. It's just disgusting. And it's completely blind, right? He's blind. He got, he got, he was
00:24:48.940
hired and fired three times just from ESPN, MSNBC, CNN, like every single, every single thing he does.
00:24:56.460
And I've said to my boss, I was like, what the hell are you doing? Why do you keep bringing
00:24:59.620
someone like this back when you know that they're not there to be part of a team? So that's just
00:25:03.980
ESPN. He's been fired everywhere he's been, which is why I guess he now stands on his balcony
00:25:08.440
overlooking Central Park with his cell phone and does selfies. I mean, enjoy.
00:25:12.680
Yep. Yes. Oh, by the way, I forgot. He also dated Laura Ingram. He's got, don't,
00:25:17.180
don't date Keith Olbermann. Okay. That's the bottom line. He told me about that. And we were
00:25:22.540
in his little office and she was on the screen and he's like, oh, I used to date her and whoever
00:25:26.640
else he said, I dated her too. And I was like, I'm leaving now. This is so gross. Ew.
00:25:36.400
Iowa has Caitlin Clark, who's become this huge star. She's amazing. And she's getting all this
00:25:42.000
attention and some nasty press reporters are upset about it. We read a piece on Friday with this
00:25:49.440
woman saying the face of women's basketball has been black and it needs to stay black.
00:25:55.900
Okay. Racist. Um, so she's getting a lot of hate from people like that. Of course,
00:26:03.280
Jamel Hill is weighed in like a lot of people taking shots at her. Um, Lynette Woodward, who I didn't
00:26:09.960
know, I confess I'm not a big WNBA or NBA person, but she came out to say her own scoring record
00:26:15.620
stands despite Caitlin Clark beating it because I guess they didn't have three pointers when she
00:26:22.020
was playing, which is just ridiculous. Here she is in slot six. Uh, I don't think my record has
00:26:27.400
been broken up because you can't duplicate what you're not duplicating. And, uh, so unless you
00:26:33.340
come up with a men's basketball and a two point shot, you know, but just for you, so you can
00:26:46.000
understand, so you can help me, uh, spread that word. What is that? Talk about ungracious.
00:26:54.280
And Sid Luckman was the greatest quarterback of all time because after him, they had face masks. I
00:26:59.540
mean, like ridiculous. Yeah. The sport changes, right? Well, it's like Jimmy Connor, you know,
00:27:07.160
or, or John McEnroe. Like tennis rackets were about this big. Uh huh. Yeah. It's, it's weird because I
00:27:13.560
mean, you know, I, I grew up in Connecticut around the time that UConn became like a national powerhouse
00:27:19.980
in both men's and women's basketball. And it was, it was sort of thing that entire time that people
00:27:25.840
like were demanding your attention for women's basketball. It was almost like a, this thing
00:27:30.700
where you had to, you had to get into it because it was, it was, there was equality and you had to
00:27:35.280
recognize the wonderful greatness of these athletes. And of course they're there, they, they do great,
00:27:39.620
amazing things and are great female basketball players, but like Caitlin Clark has done a totally
00:27:44.760
different thing. She's captured the entire attention of the nation. I have never, I never in my life.
00:27:51.220
Would I imagine that I cared more about the women's basketball final four than the men's. And that is
00:27:56.080
exactly where I was this year because of her solely because of her, uh, she has changed. I mean,
00:28:02.080
because she's an incredibly amazing player. It has nothing to do with her personality. It has nothing to do
00:28:07.700
with anything. It's just that she's just, she's completely changing the sport and doing things
00:28:12.620
that are out of this world. She's pulling up for shots that are as long or longer than Steph Curry
00:28:20.040
and Dame Lillard in the NBA. She's doing amazing things. And because of that, people are engaged in
00:28:26.260
it. And it is fascinating to watch these old school players. And of course you'll always have these
00:28:31.940
lines, you know, three point lines of rule change. It's not like some of these dumb racial complaints.
00:28:36.100
I understand the criticism or at least the, the, the delineation there. There's something to be said
00:28:41.300
for that, I suppose. But like at the end of the day, these rules change sports evolve. Uh, you know,
00:28:46.320
LeBron James made a lot more three pointers than Michael Jordan was. I don't think anybody believes
00:28:50.460
that Jordan couldn't have made a lot of threes. If that was the game style of the time, but at the
00:28:55.640
end of the day though, this is the thing that women's sports has been hoping for and praying for
00:29:00.680
forever for people who are just sports fans to watch it just for the sport, not because
00:29:05.880
they're guilted into it. She's done this by herself and she's getting hate for it. It's insane.
00:29:12.100
Honestly, I think you, the words you're looking for are thank you. Those are the words you're
00:29:16.440
looking for. Thank you. That's what you should be saying to Caitlin to his credit. LeBron James
00:29:20.920
tweeted out in support of her, uh, as follows. If you don't rock with Caitlin Clark game,
00:29:26.580
you're just a flat out hater. Stay far away from them. People please write on some very natural
00:29:33.000
reading LeBron James tweets, Megan. I don't know if anyone told you that before. Is that a cold
00:29:36.980
read or did you spend time? It was a cold read. I'm going to have to work on my, you know, I too
00:29:41.760
am an actor now, Dave. You're not the only actor on this set. I'm starring in a cartoon. I've been
00:29:46.700
talking to the audience. Oh yeah, that's right. No, you showed us. That's awesome. My acting chops.
00:29:51.180
So let's, can we not get crazy here though? People there, there is a ceiling for women's
00:29:56.380
sports. All right. Like I, you know, I was, I was hanging out recently with, um, MK hammer,
00:30:01.300
right. And she was apparently a very good athlete. And I said, I said, MK, this is going to sound
00:30:04.860
horrible. And I'm a big soccer fan, but it's just like women's soccer is just unwatchable. It's just
00:30:09.860
bad. It's slow. It just takes forever. And she looked at me and she said, Dave, you're right.
00:30:14.760
So there's a ceiling here to her credit. Right. And I'm sure that when she was on the field,
00:30:20.660
it felt much more exciting, but there is a ceiling here. And I think that we all have
00:30:24.400
to stop pretending that the WNBA is ever going to be the NBA. Cause it's not going to be,
00:30:29.260
but I will defend women's soccer. The only thing I don't like about women's soccer is Megan Rapinoe
00:30:34.420
and her ilk. I'm sick of these woke moralizers out there wearing our team Jersey bashing on America,
00:30:40.560
by the way, Megan Rapinoe's back at it on the wrong side of issues. I'll get to that in a bit.
00:30:45.500
Um, but look, I'll tell you this. We watch girls soccer all the time because my daughter's
00:30:50.040
soccer player and it's awesome. It's fast and it's exciting. And they're gunners,
00:30:53.140
but I don't know women's soccer well enough to defend it. You know, the way in response to what
00:30:58.420
you just said, I believe it was a 15 year old boys team of like Dallas FC, like beat the women's
00:31:05.140
national team. And that's a question about whether they're as good as the, as the men that,
00:31:08.940
but that's a question about whether they're as good as, and you know, as exciting as the men,
00:31:13.960
they're just not exciting in their own right. They need to play on a smaller field because
00:31:19.480
there's times that I watch women's soccer when there's like a long pass and like the ball stops,
00:31:23.620
the ball should never stop. That's you're watching the wrong game. No, I'm telling you my 12 year
00:31:30.100
olds, good players can get it down the field. All right. So I want to say something else on the,
00:31:34.480
the women's finals, the coach of the South Carolina team, which was victorious is named Dawn Staley.
00:31:42.600
And apparently she's a legend in women's basketball. Now she's coaching. And to his
00:31:48.860
credit, Dan Zakszewski, he's over at Outkick sports, got up before that game and put the
00:31:56.160
question to both coaches, the one for Iowa punted and the one Dawn who was coaching South Carolina
00:32:02.220
answered it as follows. Listen to the Q and a here. One of the major issues facing women's sports
00:32:08.000
right now is the debate discussion topic about the inclusion of transgender athletes.
00:32:12.600
biological males in women's sports. I was wondering if you would tell me your position on that
00:32:17.360
Um, yeah, take a look. Damn, you got deep on me. I, I, I'm on the, I mean, I'm on the, the opinion
00:32:36.400
of, of, if you're a woman, you should play. If you consider yourself a woman or, and you want to play sports or vice versa,
00:32:51.840
you should be able to play. So now the barnstorm of people are going to flood my timeline and be a
00:33:00.580
distraction to me. One of the biggest, uh, days of, of, of our game. And I'm okay with that. I really am.
00:33:11.040
Unbelievable. Complete turncoat to womankind. She gets out there. She gets to the position of power.
00:33:19.940
She gets all of her accolades and awards and all of this spawning praise and money. And when she has a
00:33:26.380
chance to do something for women coming up behind her, she pulls up the ladder and says, play against
00:33:31.000
the men. That's what she just did there. And you've got these lefties all over like Megan Rapinoe calling
00:33:36.280
her a national treasure, an ally, a revolutionary because she's just as guilty. Uh, there's this
00:33:44.100
columnist over at USA today sports, Nancy armor, who's a repeat violator of women's rights. She can't
00:33:52.680
find the female athlete. She wants to protect who also tweeted out. Dawn Staley is a goddamn national
00:33:59.420
treasure. Uh, you're a goddamn national disgrace, madam, because you have a pen in a very large
00:34:06.320
newspaper dwindling though, by the day, you too could stand up for women, but you're too cowardly
00:34:11.260
to do it. And you know why you're not a mother. You don't have to worry about your daughter having
00:34:17.580
to face some six foot four man out on the basketball court. Like I do. So I don't want to hear from you,
00:34:25.360
Dawn armor or Nancy armors, uh, bio calls her. So she calls herself a proud aunt of three boys.
00:34:32.680
So she doesn't even have nieces. And she, she says, I don't have all the answers,
00:34:36.840
but I'm always looking for more of them. I've got one for you, Nancy, shut the fuck up until you know
00:34:42.160
what you're talking about because girls are getting hurt by male basketball players posing as girls.
00:34:48.160
I take you out to Massachusetts where Lowell was playing in a game. The Lowell school was playing
00:34:55.340
in a game and they had to call it at the half because three players got hurt. Look at this girl
00:35:00.300
in the black shirt, go down. That's a man pretending to be a girl who took the ball from her. Look at
00:35:04.820
her. You watch this, Nancy, Dawn. You two watch this. Look at her writhing in pain after she was
00:35:14.000
injured by a boy pretending to be a girl trying to get up. She can't. She's so hurt.
00:35:20.300
Three others, two others, three total got hurt. They called the game. It's happening over and over
00:35:26.100
and over and over. I'm so sick of these women who are so terrified of the woke mob or trying to shore
00:35:32.360
up their own bona fides with this crowd, afraid to say what they know is right, which is it's not safe
00:35:39.740
and it's not fair. And I have a daughter who played basketball just weeks ago. And the thought
00:35:47.680
of her going up against a biological man on that court is terrifying. She would be in danger. But
00:35:54.020
because this legend, Dawn, decides to look woke and empathetic, she's endangered her and all the
00:36:02.340
other girls who play in this sport. I'm just we've had this discussion before, you guys. I just get so
00:36:06.660
fired up about it because not even a nod, not even a nod toward the issues that biological girls will
00:36:12.340
face if this does get permitted. And by the way, it's technically OK right now in in the NCAA. Dave,
00:36:19.260
what are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, look, there actually was a nod, right? It was a silent nod.
00:36:24.360
It was the 17 and a half minutes that it took Dawn Staley to answer the question between sips of water,
00:36:30.940
right? Because she knows she knows how abjectly absurd this is. Everybody involved in the conversation
00:36:38.400
knows how abjectly absurd it is. You show that video or you show the picture of Leah Thomas towering
00:36:44.180
over, you know, the women who she just beat in a swimming event. You know, you can't convince the
00:36:50.900
American people that this is normal or this is OK. Right now, Dawn Staley doesn't have to deal with
00:36:58.960
it. Right. I guarantee you, Megan, had 20 minutes later, Iowa decided, you know what? We're going
00:37:06.560
to start the center from the men's basketball team because lo and behold, he suddenly just decided he's
00:37:13.420
a woman. I bet Dawn Staley would have had a problem with that. Right. Until people are confronted with
00:37:19.180
it, they're willing to say, oh, well, it's none of your business. What's the difference? You go back to
00:37:23.300
the germ of the whole trans issue. And that was the number one argument. The number one argument was,
00:37:27.720
come on, guys, this is point oh, oh, oh percent of the population. It doesn't have any impact on
00:37:32.180
your life. Well, that changed because there's women's prisons. There's women's shelters. There's
00:37:36.760
women's sports. There's actual public policy at stake here. And so Dawn Staley is a coward. She proved
00:37:43.600
herself to be a coward. And what else is new? She is a coward that I'm sorry. She's a coward. You're
00:37:49.920
right. This isn't her first foray into the social justice wars. And we've seen the evidence of it in the
00:37:55.940
past. She was in 2021. She was behind her team. I had no problem with them taking the knee when we
00:38:03.400
played the national anthem. I think we've got video of it. Stand by. That's her team. All squatting
00:38:12.580
down. The reason the national anthem was playing all coaches stood. She thought it was fine. She's
00:38:19.520
tweeted out quite a bit on the social justice wars after Jacob Blake had his run in with cops in
00:38:26.180
Wisconsin where he pulled a knife on them and then wound up shot. She said she the reporting was she
00:38:32.560
hopped on Zoom calls with local reporters knowing she was the only prominent black coach at South
00:38:37.240
Carolina to speak about Jacob Blake. She tweeted past ridiculous with yet another black man shot by cops
00:38:45.360
in front of our very eyes. How many more before we see this end? I'm all for canceling all things
00:38:51.940
sports to focus on this matter. Hashtag BLM. Uh, when a disgruntled fan disgruntled, uh, claimed to be
00:38:59.460
done with Staley after her support of Jacob Blake, she vowed to be herself. Take it, leave it. I'll leave
00:39:05.120
it, madam. I'll leave it because you're coming at these issues from a place of over emotionality and not
00:39:11.200
facts. Hmm. And the facts are what is important, right? We're supposed to care and protect our
00:39:17.320
daughters. That's supposed to be something obvious. My son is a 12 years old and plays a lot of sports.
00:39:22.480
The biggest, strongest kid on his baseball team also plays football. And last year while playing
00:39:28.560
tackle, tackle football, he broke his back in a game, 12 years old. Now, thankfully he is fully
00:39:34.760
recovered, but he's a really strong kid, a big kid. And you think about this type of thing,
00:39:41.320
when you're talking about a sport where contact is involved and in basketball, it is, it's a part
00:39:46.000
of the game. Uh, you put up girls against, uh, boys in that realm, like really bad things can happen.
00:39:54.000
We should be doing everything we can to protect women. And a lot of people would think, well,
00:39:57.460
football is a, uh, is a, is a different thing. It's, it's a physical sport. Uh, and it's true,
00:40:02.820
but why do you think it's a different thing? If there's no difference between these genders,
00:40:06.320
if there's no problem with this, why wouldn't you want your daughter playing football with a
00:40:11.120
bunch of boys? You wouldn't because it's insane. It's obviously insane. And I just, you watch this
00:40:18.100
and you can't believe people come to these conclusions. And I will say on her answer in
00:40:22.440
particular, if it, if it's taking you that long to answer, there's a reason for it. You know what
00:40:29.840
you're seeing, you know, there's some, some line you're trying to walk. Honestly, if it takes that
00:40:33.720
long, that was about the most egregious example I've ever seen. If it takes you that long to
00:40:36.800
answer a question, the only way, the only thing you should do at that point is fake a medical
00:40:39.820
condition, just like act like you're about to faint and then fall over. It's your only way out of it.
00:40:45.900
Well, the other, uh, you, you can, here's how the other coach, the, the coach of Iowa responded,
00:40:52.260
which in her, in defense of Don Staley, the other coach went second. So it was probably easier,
00:40:58.480
right? Cause she was conferring with her team. Holy shit. They're going to ask me that question.
00:41:02.060
Here's how she answered. Um, well, thank you for the question. Uh, you know, I understand it's a
00:41:08.140
topic that people are interested in. Uh, but today my focus is on the game tomorrow, my players. Um,
00:41:15.400
this is an important game we have tomorrow and that's what I want to be here to talk about,
00:41:19.140
but I know it's an important issue for another time. Better, better. Uh, by the way,
00:41:25.920
it wasn't just Lynn, Massachusetts where, you know, a six foot tall male tried to play against
00:41:32.620
girls. And in that particular instance, I told you three girls got hurt in San Francisco. We just
00:41:37.500
saw this at Waldorf high school. Um, the captain of the girls team, a boy, Henry competed in girls
00:41:45.920
sports for at least the last three years, ranked number four in scoring in the North coast section
00:41:51.780
of California with an average of 20.8 points per game. And at a January game scored 26 points,
00:41:59.560
towering, towering over the girls. Dawn Staley wants a whole lot more of it. I don't want my kid
00:42:06.060
having anything to do with that NCAA or women's NBA. It's wrong. It's wrong on just so many levels
00:42:13.180
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You know, I look around at like the state of womankind and I'm worried. I'm worried about our
00:43:23.140
girls, how anxious they are, how depressed they are, not our girls on this set, but you know,
00:43:28.800
I'm talking about America's girls and how we're at record levels of anxiety and depression and
00:43:34.320
suicidal ideation and the messages that they get every day through Instagram and TikTok and Snapchat
00:43:41.140
and these false images of women, half of whom are walking around literally half naked with these
00:43:47.500
artificial bodies as this impossible beauty standard that these girls never should even seek
00:43:52.140
to attain. Nevermind try to with the surgeries, the enormous, this, the tiny, that all combined.
00:43:57.560
Um, and we're medicalizing them. And I saw Ali Beth, you did something on this in your show recently,
00:44:05.560
but we are now we do it with boys too, but we're basically treating, starting to treat these girls
00:44:12.520
as like the hysterics from, you know, like the forties where if you had any sort of natural human
00:44:19.840
emotions, you were soon to be shipped off to the asylum, right? Like the husband would have you shipped
00:44:25.400
off or heavily medicated? And it's like, it's happening again. So can you talk about the
00:44:32.280
interview you did on a recent podcast on this, Ali? Because I thought this is a good topic.
00:44:36.900
Yeah. Yeah. We've done quite a few episodes on this recently. I've had a psychologist on the show
00:44:44.280
to talk about this, just the medicalizing of normal behavior, especially in children. So with boys,
00:44:51.040
very often they are given the diagnosis of ADHD. I'm not saying that that's always inaccurate,
00:44:56.080
but sometimes boys are just trambunctious and they don't want to be seated for eight hours a day. And
00:45:00.620
so you medicalize them to tame them, to make sure that they can sit there basically like zombies.
00:45:06.260
And for young girls, especially teen girls who are hormonal, emotional, and moody, very often they
00:45:12.180
are placed on birth control, which makes it worse. And then they're placed on some kind of SSRI.
00:45:17.620
And rather than just being told, Hey, it's normal to be sad. It's normal to be worried. They are told,
00:45:24.440
no, you are depressed. No, you have anxiety. No, you have these kinds of pathologies that we have
00:45:30.120
to medicate. And they are not told that this can radically transform your personality. This can change
00:45:36.520
your ability to pay attention, to feel joy, to feel real sadness. It just kind of numbs you.
00:45:44.760
And I'm not saying that medication should be condemned in all cases. I'm not saying that at
00:45:50.340
all, but we are no longer teaching our young people, especially our young girls who you're
00:45:55.320
right, Megan, have so much on their plate right now and are facing so much rather than dealing
00:46:00.560
with those root causes. We're saying, Hey, here, take Lexapro, take this Prozac, take this
00:46:06.400
Wellbutrin and numb all of the pain. Don't think about it. And it'll just be fine. Then they're waking up
00:46:12.680
at 25, remembering that they don't remember the last 12 years of their life. And all of
00:46:17.240
these chickens have not yet come home to roost yet. And I am scared of what the future will look
00:46:21.940
like when they do. I will say a word in defense of birth control. I was on it for basically my
00:46:28.180
entire reproductive years, which I'm still technically in, but it's not happening. I have
00:46:33.940
no fallopian tubes. So for one thing, also, I'm now as old as Methuselah. In any event, I liked
00:46:40.380
being on the birth control. I was not one of those people who had any emotional response
00:46:44.860
to it. And I loved it for, among other reasons, you can have safe sex and you can control your
00:46:49.460
family planning, but it also really helped me up with my skin. And I had acne, I mean,
00:46:54.000
pretty much through my forties and it really helped me. So I know there's some pushback in
00:46:58.180
some corners on birth control, but I am a big fan. But to the point of like the SSRIs, Brit,
00:47:03.880
and how over-prescribed they are now, especially to these young girls, I am with Ali Beth. I have
00:47:10.000
real concerns about medicalizing emotions and also wallowing in any sadness or trauma. You know,
00:47:22.260
the older I get, the more I really feel like compartmentalization works. The solution is not
00:47:30.160
to get mired in the bad things that have happened to you. As much as you can kind of go Presbyterian
00:47:36.580
and shove it down. Sorry, Doug, he's Presbyterian. Honestly, the better that I really think that
00:47:45.720
works. And the more you lean into poor me and that happened to the worse off you are.
00:47:51.060
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we live in a culture of quick fix and honestly, anything can be fixed under a
00:47:59.720
knife. You want to change your gender? Here's a knife. You want to look 20 and you're 45? Here's a
00:48:05.380
knife. You, you know, so we're in this hyper-medicalized society that's also driven by really not
00:48:12.380
addressing root causes. It's just a series of band-aids. I actually, I, so you don't know a whole
00:48:17.440
lot about my childhood, not to get into it, but it was very, very dark. And I went through a lot of
00:48:21.680
like extremely challenging things and the Lord redeemed so much of that. But when I was dealing
00:48:30.040
with a lot of the trauma from my childhood, I was getting ready to get married. And I started seeing
00:48:35.780
one of the best therapists in San Diego to help me walk through it. And all the trauma started to
00:48:41.500
come back up, which is a common phenomenon if you haven't dealt with it, cause you've shoved it down
00:48:44.960
and it's repressed. So everything started coming back up. And the first thing was throwing pills
00:48:49.320
at every manifestation of the trauma. And I ended up on so many medications and, um, you know, it,
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it numbed me. I was on so many mental and physical numbers that I just felt like I was in this haze
00:49:05.660
and I was doing a lot of acting and Hollywood at the time. And I just remember like popping pills just
00:49:10.880
to get through auditions and then having panic attacks set in. And then there was a pill for that.
00:49:15.020
You know, there was always a fixed pill, but it was never getting to the real route. And even with
00:49:19.280
this amazing therapist, it was just toss pills at me. Um, so then when I got married and wanted to,
00:49:25.460
we wanted to start having, you know, having a family, I was like, I have to get off all this
00:49:30.040
medication. And it was probably one of the most difficult and challenging seasons of my life that no
00:49:37.420
one prepared me for was to get off all the medication. It's the physical taxation on your
00:49:44.760
body that that takes and the mental turmoil to get off of all these controlling drugs that have
00:49:51.560
numbed you for so long. So for all these girls who are just being thrown medicine right now, it's like,
00:49:57.360
that's not a long-term game plan. And eventually they're going to hit a point where they're going
00:50:02.160
to want to get off of that. And then the trauma all floods back. If you haven't actually dealt with
00:50:07.560
what's at the bottom, you know, it's still there when you get off all the drugs. So I just think
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that our society in general, it it's too much of a push to medicalize as a fix it when instead of
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actually addressing, um, the root and also looking at, look, this was the past. The past was this big
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on a whiteboard, but you've got all of this, all of this, that the Lord can redeem and that can be
00:50:34.620
for the good. And that was for me, the biggest shift was seeing that and seeing how much potential
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I still had to live life free of the past work through it. But the, the medication was just a
00:50:46.580
very temporary bandaid that actually caused more harm than good. I, I completely understand that. I,
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for me, I did not have dramatic trauma in my childhood. I mean, my dad died at a very young
00:50:59.380
age. And so that was traumatic, but I didn't have, you know, abuse or anything like that.
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Thank God. And, but I will say that my therapist who I love, and I had another great one when I was
00:51:09.040
getting divorced from my first husband, they were very, and have been very like present focused.
00:51:15.600
Neither one was interested in discuss, discussing past trauma. It was, it's very much like,
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how are you feeling now? And how are you dealing with those feelings? And here are some other
00:51:24.080
alternatives for how to deal with how you're feeling. And that for me has worked wonderfully.
00:51:29.280
It doesn't require the dredging up of any painful experience. It's just new tools for managing
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emotions, which is really important. But I know like a lot of my friends now, you know, we're,
00:51:39.540
we're all getting older. And so my kids are a little on the younger side, but a lot of my friends have
00:51:43.580
kids who are a little older who now are getting the SSRIs pushed on them. I mean, everywhere.
00:51:49.500
It's like, you go to the guidance counselor. They want to put you on one of these things.
00:51:53.080
And you talked with somebody, Allie Beth, um, she won chopped. She won chopped a couple of years ago,
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Brooke, a chef. We pulled a soundbite. There's a little bit of it. And then, um, you react on the
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backside. So 47. I had spent the better part of my twenties in New York city. I was objectively
00:52:11.380
miserable. I was, um, really depressed. I was having a lot of suicidal ideation. I had no emotion
00:52:17.820
to anything. And it just kind of dawned on me that I had spent my entire adult life
00:52:25.440
on powerful psychiatric drugs and that if they were working, I wouldn't be thinking about these
00:52:31.200
things. And on top of that, it just bothered me that I clearly was so deeply unhappy in my life.
00:52:39.060
And I had made the decision that led me to that point through the lens of, of a powerful
00:52:44.860
psychoactive agent. So I kind of started to wonder if I would have made the same decisions had I
00:52:53.920
Thank you so much for sharing part of Brooke's story. I mean, she is an amazing person, but a very,
00:52:59.000
very strong person. And once part of the conversation, we were talking about how, um,
00:53:04.920
when she decided to get off the drugs, cold Turkey, which she's not saying that she recommends talk to
00:53:10.880
your doctor, but she decided, okay, I just don't want to do this anymore. She got off those drugs
00:53:15.720
and she had all of these just awful, awful thoughts, thoughts of suicide, thoughts of, uh, violence just
00:53:23.800
out of her mind. Um, and then, but she also had these small windows of feeling joy. And so it was that
00:53:33.640
those small windows of feeling joy for really the first time in her life. And she got off those
00:53:39.300
medications that made her hold on and reminded her, okay, I'm not actually crazy. If I can hold
00:53:45.900
on to these small feelings of joy that I've never had while on these medications, then maybe I could
00:53:52.540
hold out. And eventually those feelings of joy and the feelings of normalcy, they got longer and longer
00:53:59.100
to where she finally was able to live a normally and mentally stable or normal and mentally stable
00:54:06.160
life. Um, and she realized that her childhood was really taken from her, maybe with good intentions.
00:54:12.260
Um, her dad died. And so she had to deal with all of that. Uh, but she really didn't get to experience
00:54:18.760
the normal range of human emotions because her sadness was called depression and anxiety.
00:54:23.720
And she was medicated into numbness for about 20 years of her life.
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Oh, we have sadness. It's, it's human. And sometimes it lasts for a few months. A few years
00:54:34.340
is rough. That's a different story, but you can get help in, in handling sadness. That's non
00:54:41.320
pill related. You can do things to make sure you're sleeping better, which is so critical. You can exercise.
00:54:47.280
That's a natural way of improving mood and endorphins. You know, you can work out, you can improve
00:54:52.300
your sleep. You can improve your nutrition. You can make my, my therapist always says three social a
00:54:57.460
week. That's what he wants me to do. Three social. Um, so I'm like, does this count? This feels social.
00:55:02.220
I don't know. Anyway, but that's good, right? Just to get out there a little bit, put yourself out
00:55:07.040
there. I'm not saying this is a prescription for everybody. And I know that SSRIs have helped a lot
00:55:11.300
of people, but we're just, it's too knee jerk now. It's too quick and it's becoming too common.
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