The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Biden's Garbage Gaffe, Trump's Garbage Truck Moment, What Polls Are Saying

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.440 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's weekend best of special episode.

00:00:48.260 Election Day is Tuesday, so you can imagine how busy last week was,

00:00:51.820 but no one could have predicted how totally bizarre the week ended up being.

00:00:55.400 President Joe Biden stepped on Kamala Harris's closing message rally by calling Trump supporters

00:00:59.540 garbage. I had Charlie Kirk on the next day to talk about it. And then former President Donald

00:01:03.960 Trump leaned into it, jumping in a garbage truck branded with his campaign logo.

00:01:08.520 Stu Bergeer and Stephen L. Miller, red steez as he's known, were on to break down the hilarious

00:01:14.360 and authentic moment. Meantime, billionaire Jeff Bezos is feuding with his own newspaper and how,

00:01:19.020 the Washington Post, over his decision to stop the Post from publishing a Kamala Harris endorsement.

00:01:24.520 Glenn Beck, Black. Glenn Beck, my friend, was on with me to talk about it. And then we had Spencer

00:01:30.240 Kimball, director of Emerson Polling, to break down exactly what we're seeing in the final days

00:01:34.660 of this race. Enjoy and see you Monday. Unbelievable what happened last night. I'm going to get you to 1.00

00:01:41.620 react. But let me just play Joe Biden's comments and what he said right after she spoke.

00:01:47.400 Donald Trump has no character. He doesn't give a damn about the Latino community. He's a failed

00:01:52.880 businessman. He only cares about the billionaire friends he has and accumulated wealth for those

00:01:57.560 at the top. He says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. Give me a break.

00:02:03.320 He wants to do away with the birthright citizenship. Who the hell has said that in the last 100 years?

00:02:08.280 And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage.

00:02:14.640 Well, let me tell you something. I don't know the Puerto Rican that I know or Puerto Rico where I'm

00:02:21.520 in my home state of Delaware. They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating

00:02:27.320 out there is his supporters. His demonization I'm seeing is unconscionable. And it's un-American.

00:02:33.940 It's totally contrary to everything we've done.

00:02:35.980 Charlie Kirk, thoughts?

00:02:38.560 Well, first of all, isn't it great to be here, Megan? Thank you. Isn't it fitting that the man

00:02:42.480 that they hid from us for three years for obviously having mental decline is just redeployed

00:02:48.360 a week out from the election during Kamala's speech, by the way, and completely undermined.

00:02:54.180 I could not tell you really anything she said other than Trump bad, unify the country, all the headlines

00:02:59.760 trending on Twitter, 1.2 million tweets, just everybody talking about the fact the current

00:03:05.020 president of the United States calls half the country, myself included, garbage. So let's break

00:03:10.600 this down. And I mean this sincerely. Has there ever been an instance in American history where a

00:03:16.360 sitting president openly calls half the country that he is tasked to govern trash, garbage worthy of

00:03:24.160 discarding? Has that ever happened in American history? Ever. And if somebody has an example,

00:03:29.300 I would love to see that example. I don't even think during the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln called

00:03:33.720 the Confederacy that. I mean, I do not even think during the American Civil War, Abraham Lincoln

00:03:38.800 called the people of the Confederacy garbage. In fact, I think Abraham Lincoln said these are still

00:03:43.060 our fellow citizens and brother against brother, and it's a tragedy. We're fighting them.

00:03:46.340 And so we've never seen this language ever in American history. I'd love a historian to dig

00:03:51.680 that up if it's happened before. It's number one. Number two, which is that this is what they

00:03:58.160 deserve. They deserve that this man that they force fed us as president of the United States

00:04:02.640 four years ago in that ridiculous election of 2020 when he was in the basement and there was mail-in

00:04:07.220 ballots everywhere that were not being checked and there was $400 million Mark Zuckerberg.

00:04:11.580 They deserve the guy that they forced on the American people to all of a sudden come back a

00:04:17.260 week out from the election. And there's so many other points to kind of go through here, but this

00:04:22.280 is not a gaffe. This is a stated policy position. They do think that we're garbage. Not just from

00:04:29.500 their rhetoric, but from how they treat us. Look at how they treated the hurricane victims. I'm in North

00:04:35.280 Carolina right now. How they treated the hurricane victims in North Carolina versus foreigners.

00:04:39.240 You treat garbage that way. Look at how that they are trying to import other 10 million people 1.00

00:04:43.900 and destroy the purchasing power of our dollar. You treat garbage that way. And Joe Biden did not

00:04:50.080 say something by mistake. He was caught saying something that he meant that he wished he would

00:04:56.160 not have said. And that's a very important distinction. And so this now takes all the headlines

00:05:00.860 in a way that only you could explain that either God or luck or something. I think it has to be God

00:05:06.800 as on Trump's side, because the news cycle was just annoying after MSG. Megan, we're talking about

00:05:12.260 this comedian's joke and it was all about garbage. And now it's completely in the opposite direction.

00:05:18.340 Joe Biden took what was an annoying 48 hours news cycle after Trump had basically unbroken momentum

00:05:23.460 from McDonald's and Rogan and all this great campaigning to kind of, OK, we got to now cover

00:05:28.540 for some comedian. And that is another point I want to make just very quickly. The media freaked out

00:05:33.320 about a comedian not running for office saying an off color joke. I didn't like the joke. You

00:05:38.040 didn't like the joke. I thought it was the wrong time or place or manner for that. This guy's a

00:05:41.820 sitting president United States and is running the country, allegedly, and is the mentor and the boss

00:05:48.580 of the person running for the job. And the media, their coverage was like, well, Joe Biden appears to

00:05:56.180 attack Donald Trump supporters as garbage or right wingers get very upset about Joe Biden's comments

00:06:02.300 about them as garbage. So this is now the closing argument. This is worse than deplorables. And I

00:06:08.440 think this is going to do nothing but motivate people that might not have voted to go out and vote

00:06:13.080 because the current administration hates you. They think you're worthy of discarding. They believe

00:06:17.560 you're garbage. Here's what's so amazing about it. It's a direct parallel. They just spent two days

00:06:26.540 trying to tell us it is deeply offensive and wrong and an outrage and a votable issue to have somebody

00:06:34.840 on one person's side call a group garbage. And in their case, the case they were making was about a

00:06:41.880 comedian who was at MSG hours before Trump real attachment. Yes, exactly. Yes. So he spent two days

00:06:48.800 telling us if somebody affiliated with the other side calls a group of people garbage, that could be a

00:06:54.420 single issue for you when you go into that ballot box. You must vote against that person. That's

00:06:58.040 absolutely deeply offensive, racist, terrible, beyond the pale. And then what happens? Not some

00:07:06.820 comedian who's warming up four hours before Kamala Harris gets out there. The sitting president of the

00:07:12.340 United States, who's been her partner in all policy from whom she sees no differences for the past four

00:07:20.440 years, as she said repeatedly now over the past couple of weeks, gets out there and says, Trump

00:07:25.160 supporters are the only garbage I see. And the media has absolutely no room to run. There's no way of

00:07:35.340 squaring those two positions. They they must say this is deeply wrong and you cannot support a ticket

00:07:43.240 that would have that kind of mentality about the American people. And yet they are in the Cirque de

00:07:50.500 Soleil contortions to try to get away from it. We've got to talk about the apostrophe.

00:07:58.300 Oh, no, no. I was going to go there. No, the apostrophe is one of the greatest

00:08:01.460 wrinkles of this whole story, Megan. No, but please continue. It is.

00:08:06.040 So you get you get John and here's I can tell Jonathan Lemire is the first person to get the

00:08:10.040 apostrophe. He is a complete hack partisan, pathetic excuse for a, quote, journalist.

00:08:16.300 He works for Politico and he also is part of the MSNBC morning show, the show that precedes

00:08:23.560 Morning Joe. But now he's being elevated to Morning Joe because his kind of hackery will get you a full

00:08:27.860 time role on that show. And he reaches out to his sources at the White House about this comment that

00:08:33.180 we all watch Joe Biden make. He made it around six in the evening, but it didn't start circulating

00:08:38.360 till later. And he gets the White House transcript, the official transcript of Biden's remarks calling

00:08:46.940 Trump supporters garbage. And he he goes with it. He says this White House version of the transcript

00:08:56.140 proves that the Biden quote is, quote, being taken out of out of context. And the transcript reads,

00:09:05.040 the only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters. But it adds an apostrophe between the

00:09:13.620 R and the S of supporters as if it's possessive, like his supporter issued garbage like out of his

00:09:22.620 mouth. And that's all I see. That is clearly not what Joe Biden said. And if you hear the cadence of the

00:09:30.020 way he delivered it, that makes it clear. We should go back and listen to it again. Let's listen to it

00:09:34.580 one more time. Donald Trump has no character. He doesn't give a damn about the Latino community.

00:09:41.240 He's failed businessman. He's the only cares about the billionaire friends he has and accumulated wealth

00:09:46.280 for those at the top. And he says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. Give me a break.

00:09:52.240 He wants to do away with the birthright citizenship. Who the hell said that in the last hundred years?

00:09:57.420 And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage.

00:10:03.760 Well, let me tell you something. I don't I don't know the Puerto Rican that I know or Puerto Rico

00:10:10.000 where I'm in my home state of Delaware. They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I

00:10:15.900 see floating out there is his supporters. His demonization is unconscionable and it's un-American.

00:10:22.820 It's totally contrary to everything we've done. And then just putting a period at the end of that,

00:10:29.000 Charlie. So Lemire sells his soul and doesn't even pretend to be a real journalist. And then

00:10:34.840 ultimately, because this blew up online, Biden puts out a statement that's that reads as follows.

00:10:41.540 It's an ex post. Of course, Jonathan Lemire shared it from Biden. Earlier today, I referred to the

00:10:47.180 hateful rhetoric about Puerto Rico spewed by Trump supporter at MSG as garbage, which is the only word

00:10:53.240 I can think of to describe it. OK, so he's trying to say I was referring to that guy's hateful rhetoric.

00:10:58.520 That's what I was calling garbage. Then he says his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable.

00:11:03.360 That's all I meant to say, which is different than that's all I said. In here is an implicit

00:11:12.260 admission that he said exactly what we heard him say. And what's remarkable today is, Charlie,

00:11:17.660 the AP, the many other like normal news sources are left leaning. Axios, CNN are not going along

00:11:27.880 with Lemire's and Politico's spin. They're they're actually admitting they heard what we heard.

00:11:35.060 Yeah, I mean, we're half there. I have some of these headlines. Again, these people, they can't

00:11:38.140 bring themselves to ever reporting the truth. I mean, let me just read some of these headlines.

00:11:41.440 White House and Trump campaign clash over whether Biden called Trump supporters garbage.

00:11:46.860 OK, I mean, we're almost there, right? I mean, is that really the essence of the story,

00:11:50.720 The Washington Post? OK, CBS News, which is by like their entire team, Ed O'Keefe,

00:11:56.540 Waja Gian, Olivia Rinaldi, supporters or supporters apostrophe Biden comments about Trump garbage

00:12:02.840 rally anger the GOP. Do you see this is what they do? If I have to say if there's ever an injustice,

00:12:08.340 they say right wingers pounce, conservatives upset as if we're like being some sort of unreasonable

00:12:14.680 cohort. And then if we do something against them or if there was some comedian, they say

00:12:19.760 outrageous, racist, vile rhetoric spewed. Of course, that is the playbook. AP Biden suggests Trump

00:12:27.680 supporters are garbage after comics insults of Puerto Rico. So they just have to add that in there,

00:12:32.640 right? They have to just of course, make sure that's that's that's in the headline. So look,

00:12:37.580 the the possessive thing is amazing. I would have loved to have been in the White House comms room

00:12:43.340 and the Kamala Harris campaign where they're trying to figure out how to spin this one. So they probably

00:12:47.740 watch the tape and they're like, oh, my gosh, we should have kept him in the basement, which is

00:12:51.380 just a whole nother amazing wrinkle. Right. I mean, who is there some sort of quiet pro Trump part of

00:12:57.500 this? Again, I don't want to get too conspiratorial, but this guy was not doing as many interviews.

00:13:02.400 He was not doing this many interviews four years ago. He was a spring chicken four years ago,

00:13:06.400 and he's completely not needed right now. And he's doing some Zoom call for Latinos

00:13:11.560 concurrently while there is this like major closing argument, just feet away from the White House

00:13:18.380 at the ellipse and someone decides to go put you on some Voto Latino Zoom call where you're going to

00:13:24.260 give off the cuff remarks about something that is helping your neighbor. I just it's a little bit

00:13:29.520 too suspicious for me. And so so the other part is that the White House comms room with the Kamala

00:13:34.520 Harris like, OK, well, OK, Joe said that, well, we can't say that he was OK. How about if we add

00:13:40.540 an apostrophe because MAGA is known to litter that MAGA is really known to make the streets dirty,

00:13:47.160 that it's their garbage, that that if you go into MAGA neighborhoods, they're they're filthy.

00:13:53.020 I mean, it's just it's so repulsive. And it's here's what on that front. Somebody on Twitter put

00:13:57.800 out like all the Harris Biden brain trust sitting around thinking, what's the solution? What's the

00:14:03.100 solution? And then somebody if you can see somebody does this, just a picture of an apostrophe. I've

00:14:09.180 got it. And it only makes the story bigger. And again, it only amplifies it more. And again,

00:14:17.520 this is a turnout election. Now we're seeing it in the numbers. This is not a persuasion election.

00:14:21.860 Kamala is playing a persuasion election, which is highly risky in the last week of the election.

00:14:27.500 It's incredibly risky to antagonize and call the opposition names, fascists, Nazis, racists,

00:14:33.900 garbage, all these things, because for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction in

00:14:38.640 politics, especially when you talk about turnout. And it can bring a lot of people more out to the

00:14:42.660 polls that otherwise wouldn't have. So it's incredible, incredibly high risk. And so by doing

00:14:47.540 this now, again, it started with an unfavorable, you know, day and a half, kind of an annoying,

00:14:51.800 honestly, unfavorable, it was annoying. Okay, MSG. And then we have to talk about some comedians

00:14:55.820 thing who's not running for office, who's just happened to be on stage. Okay. And now it's very

00:14:59.900 real. This went from annoying to real. It's like, wow, the president thinks that half the country is

00:15:05.820 garbage. And again, we have a tradition in this country. And this is what's so important is Joe Biden.

00:15:11.640 How many times did he have to say, well, I'm here to unify the country. And I don't care for

00:15:15.100 a Republican or Democrat. It is all rubbish. We know this. It's now through rhetoric and action.

00:15:20.420 They hate you. They want to discard you. And the most important point on this is that this

00:15:25.820 dehumanizing language is what led to the worst atrocities of the 20th century. I'm not going

00:15:31.600 to compare everything to Nazism. That's what the left does. But it is a fact. When you use this

00:15:36.140 language that wide swaths of people are garbage, then you are in your mind, you're able to justify

00:15:43.940 raiding their homes, taking their businesses away, spying on them, following them into Latin mass 1.00

00:15:50.180 and doing some of the most grotesque things imaginable because they believe that we are

00:15:56.160 worthy of being discarded, eliminated or just disappeared. Well, that's that's the thing is

00:16:02.180 like this really is a pattern for these Democrats. Kamala Harris's hands are dirty, too. She may want to 1.00

00:16:08.580 disassociate herself from Biden as her supporters. Now, the guys from the pod Save America keep saying,

00:16:14.660 oh, you know, Biden's not running for president. He's not on the ticket. But her hands are just

00:16:18.620 totally right. You've got right. You've got you've got Obama calling Republicans bitter clingers.

00:16:25.420 You've got Joe Biden out with their bunch of garbage. You got Kamala Harris calling

00:16:31.460 them fascists and Nazis. And you got Tim Walsh, too, out there saying that was a Nazi rally that we

00:16:38.660 watched at MSG. It was a bunch of Nazis. It wasn't he got right up to it. I'll play the double Tim 0.81

00:16:44.960 Walsh comments. Here are the original remarks. Donald Trump's got this big rally going at Madison

00:16:52.080 Square Garden. There's a direct parallel to a big rally that happened in the mid 1930s at Madison

00:16:57.960 Square Garden. And don't think that he doesn't know for one second exactly what they're doing

00:17:02.940 there. Direct parallel to the Nazi rally. And then he gets asked about it by a local reporter

00:17:09.380 yesterday. Watch. You said over the weekend referring to it, there's a direct parallel to

00:17:15.000 a big rally that happened in the mid 1930s at Madison Square Garden. Well, you were comparing that rally

00:17:19.640 to a Nazi rally. Look, I'm comparing it to the hate that came out of this. And I think they confirmed 0.91

00:17:23.540 that you stand by the comparison, though, to a Nazi rally. Look, the rally you saw for yourself.

00:17:27.660 I'll let the American public make the decision of what they saw. What about you, though?

00:17:31.040 So I know what I saw and I'll just leave it at that.

00:17:34.120 Doesn't disavow. I like that. You got bitter clingers. You got deplorables. How did I forget

00:17:38.100 Hillary? You got bitter clingers from Obama. You got deplorables from Hillary. You got fascists from

00:17:43.740 Kamala. You got Nazis from Walls. And now you got garbage from Joe Biden. That is what the Democrats

00:17:50.060 think of the right half of this country. Yeah. And again, I just I'm not one to get overly

00:17:57.480 excited with this because I think it's really dangerous. But this is how you get towards

00:18:02.920 justifying, eliminating people. And again, I hope we're not close to that in America. I really don't.

00:18:08.740 But they're not trying to offer an olive branch and try to heal the country. They're basically

00:18:13.840 saying that Charlie Kirk and people like me are worthy of gulags and worthy of concentration camps.

00:18:19.620 And if I am wrong, somebody prove me wrong on this because Tim Walls had multiple opportunities

00:18:25.280 there. And for him to irresponsibly and recklessly, and that journalist did a great job following up,

00:18:30.360 kind of play cutesy with it. So at the MSG rally, what are they saying? OK, that at a different

00:18:35.320 location that a bunch of Nazis held something 1930s. I guess when Bill Clinton accepted a nomination

00:18:40.260 for the Democrat National Party in 1992 in Madison Square Garden, was that a Nazi rally? Because

00:18:46.760 that's really a stupid argument. And by the way, half of that arena were like Orthodox Jews 0.75

00:18:51.660 with Israeli flags. But no, it gets down. Here's the here's the part of it is that this is all they

00:18:58.920 have left. And you notice how they started with heavy emphasis on abortion. They're not doing that

00:19:04.020 as much right now. Heavy emphasis on all of Trump's felony convictions. You don't hear that much right

00:19:08.420 now. They have now gone to their final, final thing, which is honestly just call them a bunch of

00:19:13.840 fascists and Nazis. And hopefully that will motivate our base. This is so poisonous to the political 0.80

00:19:18.740 discourse. I don't know how we heal this, Megan, other than these people need to be permanently

00:19:23.900 displaced from power. They need to become permanently in the minority of this country and punished. And 0.98

00:19:29.520 I mean, punished electorally, like they need to go and time out for the next two decades and learn

00:19:33.840 a very harsh lesson that this country, the people that they call Nazis and clingers and fascists

00:19:39.640 and garbage are the people that make this country work. They protect this country. They clean this

00:19:45.420 country. They love this country. They're the backbone of this country and their utter contempt for the

00:19:51.340 American people. I mean, if there if there is any justice left in this world, it will be met with a 0.83

00:19:57.480 widespread repudiation this coming Tuesday. Mm hmm. It's really it's stunning to me to watch the

00:20:04.220 turnaround. And it's like I look forward to watching the same journalist who who purported to

00:20:10.220 be so outraged about the comics remarks try to justify this. I really do, because some of us were

00:20:15.860 consistent. Some of us said this was not good. This was not an OK thing. Rhetoric for a campaign

00:20:21.220 and called out even the comedian and have a perfect line of consistency now that it's the president of the

00:20:27.960 United States calling out half of the country sitting president. And by the way, here's the

00:20:33.500 thing. The comic, he was doing what comedians do. He was making a joke. At a minimum, you have to

00:20:39.040 give him that. He was making a joke. This isn't a sincerely held feeling by the comic. He was trying

00:20:44.620 to get a laugh out of a group that didn't laugh, by the way. The Trump supporters didn't laugh.

00:20:49.280 Joe Biden wasn't trying to get a laugh line. Yeah. Deliver one. He this is his sincere feeling

00:20:54.800 about the country. And it's shared. It's shared by his vice president and it's shared by the man

00:20:59.720 she would make her vice president. Yeah. And Tony Radcliffe doesn't have Tomahawk missiles.

00:21:05.160 Tony Radcliffe doesn't control the U.S. military. OK, like Tony Radcliffe can't just tell the

00:21:09.580 Department of Justice to go after Joe Biden can. I'm sorry. I'm not worried about I maybe I'm crazy.

00:21:15.460 I'm not worried about Joe Biden or Kamala Harris unleashing the military on us. I'm really not. I'm not

00:21:19.080 worried about Trump doing that to the other side. And I'm not worried. But I am a little worried about

00:21:22.640 what you would do to stop someone from winning if you think he's Hitler and his supporters are Nazis

00:21:29.460 and garbage. Trump did the right thing and leaned in. He wore the garbage vest. He got in a garbage truck.

00:21:44.340 He held a quick mini presser from the garbage truck. Here's a little bit of that in South War.

00:21:52.640 I think the Democrats have done a very poor job. We're leading in every in every state. We're leading

00:21:58.580 big. And I think that the comment made by really both of them because there are really two of them

00:22:03.560 about being garbage. Maybe 250 million people. They shouldn't be talking. That's like deplorable

00:22:10.600 failure. This is the deplorable failure. And I think this is worse actually for Joe Biden to make that

00:22:17.400 statement. It's really a disgrace. I love Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico loves me. I don't know. I don't know

00:22:23.380 anything about a comedian. I don't know anything about the comedian. I don't know who he is. I've never

00:22:27.700 seen him. I heard he made a statement, but it was just a statement that he made. He's a comedian. What can I

00:22:33.240 tell you? How do you like my garbage truck? This truck is in honor of Kamala and Joe Biden.

00:22:39.200 So first of all, one of the great things about Trump that goes under recognized is that he tells

00:22:45.680 you exactly what he wants you to think. That's effective messaging. He tells it's it's worse

00:22:49.780 than Hillary's deplorables. It is worse than Hillary's deplorables. He wants that in your head

00:22:54.240 and the garbage thing like this is it's that bad, like over and over telling you how you should

00:22:59.480 think about it. That's the genius of Trump. And that picture right there of Trump in the

00:23:05.040 garbage truck that reads Trump make America great again on the side 2024 with the American flag

00:23:09.480 flying large and blowing in the wind from where he is. It's another iconic photo, just like the one

00:23:14.980 of him in McDonald's. It is another iconic photo. So then Trump goes and holds his rally in Wisconsin

00:23:22.240 and he tells the story. This was this. This is just classic Trump of how this whole thing came about

00:23:32.460 the truck and the vest, which he is still wearing inside the rally arena while he tells the story.

00:23:40.300 And I come into the arena and I say, where's my jacket? I want to get out of this thing.

00:23:48.220 And they said, it would be unbelievable if you could wear it on stage.

00:23:52.280 And I said, no way. I got 25,000 people standing outside. I got all these people here. There's no

00:24:04.220 way I'm wearing it on stage. They said, oh, okay, sir. I said, get me my jacket. But if you did,

00:24:10.420 you know, it actually makes you look thinner. I said, and they got me. I said, I want to wear it

00:24:20.020 on stage. When they said, I looked thinner. I said, in that case, I'll wear it on stage.

00:24:32.540 Classic, vintage, right on point. And then he adds the following about the difficulty in getting up

00:24:40.460 into one of those huge garbage trucks, which would be hard for most people. And, you know,

00:24:46.640 Trump's not exactly the slimmest man. Talked about how it was a little bit challenging for him.

00:24:53.500 So I said, man, if I don't get up there, this is going to be very embarrassing.

00:24:58.940 These stupid people, they'll say he's cognitively and physically impaired.

00:25:07.260 And I can't do that when I'm alongside of this great athlete. I got to get up to that.

00:25:11.520 So, so look, so the stair, the first stair is like up here. I'm saying, shit.

00:25:20.500 So, so I had the adrenaline going and I made it.

00:25:25.420 I made it. And then I gave a little news conference from the front of the, you know,

00:25:39.540 they asked their wise guy questions and everything. And then we drove about two feet. I got out,

00:25:46.640 got into the plane.

00:25:47.400 So good. Stu.

00:25:52.880 Ah, I didn't know Hitler was so funny. I mean, that is a hilarious Nazi right there. It really, 0.98

00:25:59.960 it really is. You know, I would say if I was in the meetings before they started scheduling this

00:26:04.340 thing, the McDonald's thing, you're going to go on stage in your garbage outfit. I think as a

00:26:10.740 campaign advisor, I'd be like, no, dude, please don't. You're going to look like Dukakis with his 0.72

00:26:15.160 head out of the tank. It's going to be terrible. And there's just something about unique, unique

00:26:19.180 about Trump where he can pull these things off. I mean, this was endearing. He's a funny,

00:26:24.240 endearing guy when he wants to be. And I think if you look back to 2016, Stephen kind of mentioned

00:26:28.400 this earlier, if you go back to 2016, he was, he was kind of this new guy and he was, he was,

00:26:33.280 he was had his funny moments. He was still sort of an entertainer to most people. And then 2020 was

00:26:38.080 sort of like, you know, it was a little darker. It was more of an insult comic version of,

00:26:42.160 of Trump at times right now. He's just got the vibe, right? This is the, this is smart

00:26:46.820 campaigning, putting him on these podcasts. It's where he shines. He's able to be honest and trying

00:26:52.600 to be, you know, authentic. I mean, Kamala Harris is completely incapable of having moments like we 1.00

00:26:58.920 just saw. She's not, she can't do it. And because she can't do it, she can't go on the Joe Rogan

00:27:04.380 podcast for three hours. She can't have these moments that are connecting with people and Trump,

00:27:09.360 you know, look, it's still very close election. A lot of people hate his guts. He may very well

00:27:13.040 lose, but it won't be because he's Hitler. It won't be because any of that stuff is true. 0.97

00:27:18.260 He's a pretty entertaining guy. And that's why, you know, he was one of the most famous people in

00:27:22.860 America before he started running for president. You know, Stephen, we're getting to know Trump in

00:27:27.240 a way many people have never seen him before. He's talking about his personal life more like on Joe

00:27:32.220 Rogan, you know, his reaction to the white house, some of the behind the scenes things that we saw

00:27:37.080 in say Tucker Carlson's documentary, um, art of the surge. Um, even some of the behind the scenes

00:27:43.080 video that they've released of him with his boys backstage of the, the one debate, you know,

00:27:48.140 calling them sweetheart and honey, like his grown boys, sweet. And then this, right. He's self

00:27:52.940 deprecating. He's making fun of his size. He's making fun of how hard it would be to get into a

00:27:58.740 garbage truck like that. His vanity. I think this is actually very effective. And I, to Stu's point

00:28:04.140 about the Dukakis thing, Ian Sams, the spokesperson for the Kamala Harris campaign, like a, just a

00:28:10.900 complete hack tweets out who would have dreamt that he'd have not one, but two Dukakis moments in

00:28:18.300 one campaign, putting out the, the pictures of the McDonald's picture and him in the truck, like

00:28:24.360 completely not getting it. And in that one tweet, you look at, you think I'm starting to get why

00:28:30.880 they're doing so poorly. Like I, I don't, I don't know that Kamala Harris is all that well-served 0.58

00:28:35.260 by this team. Uh, Ian Sams is the comms guy who famously put out the juicy Smollett lynching tweet.

00:28:44.020 And so that just so you know who the context of who that is. Yes, he is. What? Um, you generally,

00:28:50.440 you just, Oh yeah, a hundred percent. You generally know how effective Trump's stunts are based on the

00:28:56.100 reaction of the people who don't like him. Uh, and this has been the case for years. And this took

00:29:02.100 me back to 2016 when people didn't think he was going to win. It's like, how can we actually go

00:29:06.440 for this? There, there was an interesting moment. Uh, you may not remember it, but Trump went to

00:29:10.460 Pennsylvania and he stood in front of like a wall of garbage and you had several journalists and

00:29:17.120 people, the media like clowning on him about the advanced team. And they're like, who, who thought

00:29:22.100 this was a good idea for Trump to go to this, uh, garbage plant or a recycling plant or whatever

00:29:27.380 it was. It's stand in front of this wall of garbage. And then he also did a thing where

00:29:31.380 he put on the hard hat and they all kind of goofed and clowned on it and it worked and

00:29:36.360 he won and he won that state. And so I take things like this, they're funny and they are

00:29:42.580 political stunts, but you take things like this and to kind of echo what Stu said, Kamala

00:29:47.100 Harris could be doing this stuff. Uh, the whole McDonald's thing was both a, Hey, I

00:29:52.200 kind of want to go and do this, but it's also a thing to, to question if Kamala Harris ever 0.94

00:29:56.340 worked at McDonald's, which nobody is saying she hasn't, there's just no evidence that she

00:30:00.000 has. She could have gone and done that. And this is to me kind of why this is effective

00:30:05.120 is like what he said, Trump can go on Joe Rogan and just, you know, BS for three hours.

00:30:09.780 Kamala won't do that for, for one reason or the other. Uh, Trump can go to McDonald's 0.98

00:30:14.800 and work the fry. The fact that she let him get in front of that before her is mystifying

00:30:21.200 to me. And so I looked at this thing from 2016 when again, he's at this recycling plant,

00:30:26.420 Pennsylvania. We'd never seen a Republican do that. We didn't see Mitt Romney, you know,

00:30:31.020 stand in front of like a, just a wall of recycled aluminum and, uh, talk to voters. And that's

00:30:37.800 kind of the whole effectiveness of what Trump did in 2016. We can go through the antics and

00:30:42.540 we can go through the brashness and all of that, but Trump talked, started talking to

00:30:47.040 voters that the Republican party hadn't been talking to for decades. And that's why he is

00:30:52.760 effective at doing these kinds of things. We, we can laugh at the gaudiness of the orange

00:30:56.800 vest. Um, but that hits different for people that he's somebody who he's largely allowed

00:31:03.000 to rise to power in the Republican party because he's speaking to people that the Republican

00:31:06.840 party has ignored. Mm-hmm. That's right. I mean, honestly, one of my questions for Donald

00:31:12.380 Trump at that first debate, I think it was at the first one back in 15 was how long have

00:31:18.040 you been a Republican? Because Trump wasn't, he, he was a Democrat, but Trump was just kind

00:31:24.920 of more nonpartisan. He had his issues that he cared about and he understood. And he mentioned

00:31:29.640 this on Rogan, like you, you kind of got to run and you got to pick one. Uh, you can't run

00:31:34.380 independent. It doesn't work out well. So he picked Republican and instead of him falling

00:31:38.960 on his face and the Republican party squashing him, he bent the Republican party to his will

00:31:43.720 and it's now his party. And that's why he's getting such a different coalition. Uh, they're

00:31:47.800 putting him over the top now. He just likes slapping the crap out of politicians. That's

00:31:51.500 it. And no, no, no, no base feels more betrayed right or wrongly by their politicians than the

00:31:58.440 Republican party. And Trump just tapped into that. He just went up on stage and made fun

00:32:02.100 of Marco Rubio and made fun of Rand Paul and made fun of Jeb Bush. And that's really

00:32:06.140 all that the voting base wanted at that point. Now, not everyone took so well to Trump's

00:32:12.540 appearance last night, uh, in the garbage truck. I give you Nora O'Donnell who seems to be on

00:32:18.320 like, I don't know if she got some sort of, maybe she was jealous of her co-host of that

00:32:24.340 vice presidential debate, Margaret Brennan, for getting all of the criticism from anybody 0.80

00:32:30.000 who was paying attention for that debate. She, maybe she wanted to be in the news more 0.99

00:32:33.540 for her bias. Cause she seems to be on a string on like a streak of getting as hardcore leftist 1.00

00:32:39.320 as possible in her last waning months in the anchor chair. Here she is last night on the

00:32:46.260 CBS evening news.

00:32:47.260 He landed in Green Bay just a short time ago and then pulled this campaign stunt speaking to

00:32:54.160 reporters from a garbage truck. Proof that he and his supporters are giving no grace to a gaffe by

00:32:59.500 President Biden, where he and his explanation inadvertently called Trump supporters garbage.

00:33:05.200 This of course was in response to that racist joke about floating garbage told at a Trump rally

00:33:09.980 just last weekend. Vice President Harris is distancing herself from the negativity and trying to drive home

00:33:16.640 her unifying message that if elected, she will represent all Americans.

00:33:21.840 Oh my God. It's different hearing it. I saw it written in my packet going on CBS.

00:33:30.880 It's that is amazing. That's really incredible. God, she had everything in there about like that would

00:33:37.960 show the bias. That's like his campaign stunt. He gave no grace to poor Biden who clarified.

00:33:45.320 Meanwhile, here's Kamala Harris with her unifying message. Oh, and a joke was told a racist joke 0.96

00:33:52.060 at a Trump rally without without attributing it to some comic nobody's heard of. Like who told the

00:33:58.480 joke could have been Trump, right? Like everything's in there, Stu.

00:34:01.800 Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's so true. And it's like, if you think, if you go back and you look at like

00:34:07.060 the way they reacted after 2016 in the media, I think you get a real window into what's happening

00:34:12.120 right now. In 2016, there was this idea that it's part of the hell of my life is to have to watch the

00:34:18.080 mainstream media every single day and react to it. And when you saw the reaction after 2016,

00:34:23.820 there was this idea that maybe people would kind of wake up and say, well, maybe we are in a little bit

00:34:29.040 of a bubble here. Maybe we don't recognize what's going on in the, in the rest of the country. There

00:34:33.640 was this sort of, uh, you know, don't take Trump, uh, uh, literally take him seriously thing. And,

00:34:38.500 and maybe, maybe we need to wake up a little bit and understand like, what's the real motivation of

00:34:43.060 irregular people in the center of the country. And you thought that what might be what they took from

00:34:48.240 it if they were being honest, but of course they didn't go that direction. Instead, the lesson

00:34:51.980 they really took out of that election was to say, we should have never covered the Hillary email

00:34:57.580 scandal because the fact that we gave any opening at all to that, even though most of our coverage

00:35:03.060 was to disprove it or say it wasn't a big deal. The fact that we alerted to anyone to that at all

00:35:08.160 kind of puts the blame for this Trump thing a little bit on us. And next time we're not going

00:35:12.420 to let that happen. We saw as we got to 2020 with the Joe Biden laptop, they didn't let it happen,

00:35:17.600 right? They shut it down. They didn't cover it. They banned people from tweeting it at the time.

00:35:22.580 They did all the things they needed to do because they look at this as almost like a legacy, right?

00:35:27.700 I can't be seen as someone who didn't do my part. My part was to make sure every single word I said

00:35:35.180 pointed people to the right direction, led those stupid horses to that glorious water. And they tried

00:35:41.440 it and they've been trying it. I think the American people have woken up, but you have to think if you go

00:35:46.300 back a decent amount of time before the internet, all this stuff probably would have worked on the

00:35:50.320 American people. Thankfully, there's at least a way for us to push back and get the truth. 0.67

00:35:54.560 And I just don't think stuff like Trump is Hitler is going to be effective in this environment.

00:36:03.440 You nailed it with Bezos and the LA Times. I mean, for them to come out and say,

00:36:11.000 hey, you know, we've, we've just spotted something here recently. This may not be the best for our

00:36:17.840 business. Right, right. Everybody knows that you don't want a president, especially one that you

00:36:26.900 actually think might make an enemies list, which he's not going to do. He's not that way. He's already

00:36:32.560 talking about, and I don't like this, letting Hunter Biden off the hook. He's not that guy,

00:36:39.200 but he does have a long memory of, you know, who helped him, who didn't help him. And I, I think

00:36:46.880 all these places are like, well, let's, let's, let's, let's not have this on our record that we

00:36:53.940 also at the last minute went all in on a candidate that was going to lose. Cause I think you're right.

00:36:59.640 That's exactly how they feel, but the propaganda doesn't stop. I don't know if you saw the op-ed

00:37:05.300 from the Washington post, from the Washington post that says most Americans agree with Kamala Harris.

00:37:13.480 They just don't know it. Take our poll. And you're like, what? And they, so they put a list together.

00:37:21.980 Have you seen this? They put a list together of eight things that when you answer these,

00:37:27.800 honestly, it'll show you that you're, you're, you're right with Kamala Harris. Well, I took it.

00:37:34.760 A couple of my friends took it. Stu just took it. No, no, it's still, we're still against Kamala's

00:37:41.740 platform. They're so absolutely not self-aware. They have no idea that they actually live in a bubble.

00:37:55.280 And if it is a bubble to them, they think everyone outside of that bubble is just stupid or racist or a

00:38:03.060 Nazi. Yeah, we're not. So, so on the subject of the, uh, the Washington post, the meltdown over

00:38:10.820 there, which I've just, I mean, I, I honestly, I've been enjoying the whole thing. I've been liking it

00:38:14.880 a lot. Um, Jeff Bezos publishes a piece in WAPO. He owns it late last night. It hits today

00:38:21.660 called the hard truth. Americans don't trust the news media. Now you and I could have written,

00:38:29.140 you and I could have written a piece that starts that way. We're, we're so far we're eyeball to

00:38:32.700 eyeball Jeff. Yes, we totally agree. We could have done it 20 years ago, by the way. Yes. We must be

00:38:39.420 believed to be accurate. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but we are failing on the second requirement

00:38:45.380 so far. We are all in agreement. You are failing. You are not believed to be accurate.

00:38:50.700 Reality is undefeated. They're, they're, they're failing on the second one because they're failing

00:38:56.120 on the first one. Yes, of course. It's not like we just don't believe that. Let me, let me just

00:39:01.420 give, let me tee it up. Reality is an undefeated champion. It would be easy to blame others for our

00:39:06.120 long and continuing fall in credibility and therefore decline in impact. But a victim mentality

00:39:11.240 will not help right on sir. Complaining is not a strategy. We must work harder to control what we

00:39:17.220 can control to increase our credibility. All right. So first of all, he's trying to say we've lost

00:39:26.200 credibility without going through the list of how they've misreported intentionally misled and what

00:39:32.600 the plan is, because what he's doing here is trying to justify his decision not to endorse any candidate

00:39:37.720 and without taking ownership, Glenn, of the many, many errors, lies, repeated false stories that they

00:39:47.580 have pushed over the past eight, nine years. He, this is a Jeff Bezos ass covering. This is not a

00:39:54.340 mea culpa designed to actually bring back in anybody right of center. No, this is, this is like the

00:40:00.580 three-step program from AA. I mean, you, you, you have to admit that what you have been doing isn't

00:40:09.320 working. You have to, you have to lay out all of the things that you have done and make sure that you

00:40:15.760 make amends for those things. You can't just say, yeah, I'm an alcoholic. And, uh, you know what I,

00:40:24.300 my real problem is, is people now know I'm an alcoholic. Uh, and that's the real part. No,

00:40:31.160 that's not the real problem. The real problem is you've done this, this, this, this, this, and this,

00:40:36.000 and that's what led to your alcoholism. Yeah. No, it's like the alcoholic being like,

00:40:40.920 nobody wants to be around me. My breath smells bad. I keep falling asleep in the middle of work

00:40:47.160 and it seems to be turning people off. So I'm going to stop doing those things,

00:40:51.040 but no mention of the drinking. We're not going to work on that at all.

00:40:55.140 No, no. Of the cause you've got to go to the root cause. Uh, and I don't know,

00:40:59.660 is it because he's afraid of his own people because for them to, uh, quit over this,

00:41:07.380 do you really think anybody who reads the Washington post is not aware of the Washington post,

00:41:14.120 uh, desire to have Kamala Harris? I mean, look at the op-ed that I just showed you.

00:41:20.820 They're still doing that. I mean, everybody knows.

00:41:25.580 Yes. Okay. So he goes on to say as follows, uh, presidential endorsements do nothing to tip

00:41:30.920 the scales in an election. Agreed. No undecided voters in Pennsylvania are going to say,

00:41:34.700 I'm going with newspaper A's endorsement. None agreed. What they actually do is create a perception

00:41:39.420 of bias. I mean, yes, but it's already there. A perception of non-independence. I hate to break it

00:41:45.520 to you, Jeff. That was riddled all over your magazine or your newspaper long before endorsements

00:41:50.900 ending them as a principal decision and it's the right one. Well, I'm glad you agree with yourself.

00:41:55.360 Uh, then he goes on to say this, Glenn, get buckle up. Ready? So funny. I just love it. Yeah.

00:42:00.420 Many people are turning to off the cuff podcasts, inaccurate social media posts,

00:42:08.180 and other unverified news sources, which can quickly spread misinformation and deepen divisions.

00:42:17.480 The Washington post and the New York times win prizes, but increasingly we talk only to a certain

00:42:24.500 elite. While I do not and will not push my personal interest. I will also not allow this paper to stay

00:42:31.880 on autopilot and fade into irrelevance overtaken by unresearched podcasts and social media barbs,

00:42:42.880 not without a fight. It's too important. That's it. Oh my gosh. You self-important

00:42:49.280 gob of vomit. Um, look, they, they, uh, they don't understand that. I believe, uh, that the way Trump

00:43:01.640 is seeing this right now is he's actually open and authentic and he is talking to the regular people

00:43:08.740 through these podcasts. Nobody relates to ABC, NBC, CBS anymore. And they're, they're anchors who

00:43:16.260 listens to those people anymore. And yet they're the ones doing the debates. They're the ones that

00:43:21.880 are doing the important interviews that end up being edited, uh, one way or another. These,

00:43:28.580 these podcasts that, that Donald Trump is coming on like Joe Rogan, I think will, will be the

00:43:36.360 replacement for the media in four years. I, I think if Trump wins, it will largely be because

00:43:43.440 he, he understood where trust is. Standby audience. We will fix the audio with Glenn and we shall

00:43:51.260 resume with Glenn in just two minutes while we get that fixed. But while I have you all, um,

00:43:56.580 the, the nonsense that Jeff Bezos spews in this piece is truly stomach turning on research podcasts

00:44:03.460 or social media barbs. You can tell this is a man know who knows he's lost irrelevance clinging to

00:44:10.440 the last vestiges of it. The, the golden days when WAPO used to be a thing, Woodward and Bernstein,

00:44:16.500 when they can control the neighbor, the, the narrative and bring down a president,

00:44:19.980 those days are gone. And he knows it. The Rogan interview of Trump right now has 37 million views.

00:44:26.580 37 million views. And that's not with all due respect to X where I post my own stuff too, but

00:44:34.020 X will count a view. If you just scroll by it on YouTube, you've actually got to see it to get a

00:44:39.420 view. You've got to click on it. And that's 37 million. The Washington post as of 2023 had 136,000

00:44:48.860 print sub, uh, subscriptions, 136,000. That's, that's not a lot and digital subscriptions. They

00:44:57.140 had 2.5 million. Okay. I have more than that to my YouTube channel. It's I'm sure Glenn does too.

00:45:04.440 They're irrelevant. No one's listening to them anymore. And Jeff Bezos knows it. And so this,

00:45:11.160 I'm not going to endorse because I'm going to resurrect my paper makes no sense. They've already

00:45:18.040 sold their credibility up the, up the river. They know it. And this is him desperately trying

00:45:24.040 to hold on to any sort of pat on the head ability he can get from Donald Trump. I think we've got

00:45:28.880 Glenn back with us. Sorry, Glenn, we lost you for a minute. You can only lose so much credibility and

00:45:34.280 you can, I mean, they've made themselves irrelevant. Nobody needs the, uh, Ivy league expert to ask

00:45:43.420 questions that no American is asking. Uh, January 6th is one of them. If they bring up January 6th one

00:45:50.640 more time over the possibility of, I don't know, sending my son or daughter to nuclear war, uh, over

00:45:57.360 in Ukraine or Taiwan or wherever else they will want to gin up a war. I don't know. I think that's

00:46:04.180 more important than January 6th. When you want to bring up January 6th, if you didn't have a record

00:46:08.880 of bringing up the burning down of say just Minneapolis or Portland, you don't have any

00:46:14.360 credibility at all. So why would I be listening to you on that? Joe Rogan was asking the questions

00:46:20.580 that the average person wanted to know. Um, and these guys are just like, I think you are,

00:46:28.400 I hope I am, but we're more like the average person. Now you're very well educated. I'm pretty

00:46:36.280 much a dope, but, uh, Joe Rogan, the people are, are, they relate to him. And that's why the ABC,

00:46:46.200 NBC, CBS doesn't work. They don't relate at all. You know, it's like, um, I'm a big TV history buff

00:46:53.960 and Sid Caesar did your show of shows back in the 1950s. It had Woody Allen as a writer. Uh,

00:47:00.840 it had Carl Reiner as a writer, Mel Brooks as a writer. It lost every week lost to the Lawrence

00:47:10.500 Welk show. And here's why they were making jokes about Shakespeare and things that were on Broadway.

00:47:18.620 The rest of the country could not relate at all. So miss some really good comedy because it wasn't

00:47:25.160 aimed. It was aimed just for their little click that doesn't work. And that's what the media has

00:47:31.900 become. Let's just talk about our, our, what our friends at our cocktail parties on, on, uh,

00:47:37.720 Madison Avenue or on central park West are talking about that's not America. You you've got to relate

00:47:45.620 to Americans and let the candidates talk. I really, truly believe, uh, this is the last election.

00:47:53.400 I could be wrong, but I, I don't think so. I really think by 2028, if he wins by 2028,

00:47:59.800 you're not going to see the mainstream media have the debates. They're going to be farmed out,

00:48:06.720 uh, to whoever, whoever has the biggest audience and is the most relatable. Uh, you might have

00:48:13.920 journalists doing it, but they're not going to be from ABC, NBC, the Washington post only. They will

00:48:20.380 also include other people because this system doesn't work anymore where they're, they're fighting

00:48:25.920 to bring back the three network system. It doesn't work, but it's too late. I mean, they're the,

00:48:33.120 the, the three networks are as dead as the fake skeletons I have in my front yard right now. They

00:48:38.020 are, they are that dead. You can put a wig on them. Like I did. You can put a dress or a suit on them.

00:48:43.060 Like I did, but they're dead and they're not coming back. Listen to this, Glenn. Um, Canadian 1.00

00:48:48.440 Debbie just sent me a couple of examples of the Washington post. Now see, even without their

00:48:53.660 presidential endorsement, if you can guess which side the Washington post is on in this presidential

00:49:00.600 election. Okay. Got a few for you. Here's one, um, Trump and allies plot revenge, justice department

00:49:08.880 control in a second term. Here's another one. Trump's promise to exact revenge. Won't be hindered

00:49:15.260 by mere laws. Wow. There's another Trump wants revenge in 2024. And here's yet another one. Trump

00:49:22.660 doesn't just want to win. He wants revenge. That's just a couple over the last few days.

00:49:28.360 And that is crazy. He's not, he is. I don't know if you've seen him. Uh, he is the opposite.

00:49:37.060 No, he's, let me say it this way. He's exactly what I think, uh, Republicans and independents

00:49:42.960 didn't think he would be in this election back in 2020, 21, when people were talking about Donald

00:49:50.220 Trump running again, we're like, Oh no, it's all going to be about 2020. And I lost in what they've

00:49:55.380 done to me, et cetera, et cetera. He's not. In fact, I think he's running the best. Yeah. He's

00:50:00.880 running the best, uh, campaign. I have seen any Republican run. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the

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00:51:04.900 apply.

00:51:10.140 Explain the CNN poll. Okay. Because the CNN poll, everything seemed to be kind of going one way

00:51:17.420 where it was tightening and it was getting a little bit closer. Uh, and Trump was tying it up in each

00:51:23.040 state, if not taking a lead, but that was good for him because he'd been down three or down one.

00:51:29.160 So to be down three and then up one or down three and then tied was good. And then comes this CNN poll

00:51:35.160 and I realized that life does not revolve around CNN, but the CNN poll did drop and it's got a big

00:51:42.860 lead in there for, uh, Harris in Michigan and in Wisconsin, like plus five in each state. Do you

00:51:52.840 believe it?

00:51:54.740 Well, Megan, uh, a poll is a range of scores. And so when we put out a poll result of let's say

00:52:00.580 Trump up by one point, that range could be Trump winning by four or Trump losing by two.

00:52:06.060 So when you see a poll that has, let's say, uh, Harris up by five points in Wisconsin,

00:52:11.840 that poll still indicates that yes, Harris could win by five. She could win by 11, but she could 1.00

00:52:17.620 also lose by a point. So to me, that, that type of number is really on the outside, the fringe end

00:52:23.060 of what you'd expect in 2020 in Wisconsin, the polling generally had Biden up around six points

00:52:29.980 and he won that state by less than one point. Uh, Michigan had a similar type of, uh, polling error

00:52:37.080 and this is not just CNN, but generally across the polls, uh, under rep under reporting the Trump

00:52:43.040 vote. So, yeah, when you take a look at some of these polls, uh, they seem a little as an outlier

00:52:48.600 in the fact that like Michigan or Wisconsin, Wisconsin has been a one point race back in 2016.

00:52:53.760 It was a one point race in 2020. Do we really think it's going to bounce five or six points in a

00:52:59.160 direction when it's been so locked in? And then if you jump over to Michigan, do you think Michigan

00:53:04.980 is closer or further away for the Democrats than they were in 2020 when Biden wins by just over two

00:53:11.880 points? Um, this would suggest that Harris is doing better than Biden when a lot of the other polling,

00:53:18.200 particularly the national polling is also showing the race tightening, uh, closer to 2016 numbers

00:53:25.060 than compared to 2020. Okay. So having dealt with CNN, which you seem to be suggesting may be

00:53:32.300 a bit of an outlier, um, you know, take it with a grain of salt and they haven't been doing a ton

00:53:36.760 of polling. Like I think their last poll was, uh, a few, a couple of months ago. So they don't,

00:53:42.040 I don't know if they have their finger on the pulse or what's happening there, but having dealt with

00:53:46.660 that zoom out and tell us where you think this race stands. Well, yeah, if we take a look at like 0.76

00:53:53.560 the big picture, remember where we were in July and August, where Trump takes this big lead when

00:53:58.600 Biden is faltering and then Harris jumps into the race and then she appeared to take a big lead of 0.97

00:54:04.280 four or five points nationally. But what we've seen really since that first debate, even a little bit

00:54:09.680 before that debate is a slow melt of that support for Harris. And what it looks like coming into the

00:54:15.420 election is there's some momentum for Trump as we enter election day in some of these states.

00:54:20.660 And remember, it doesn't need to win all of the swing states just to get to the 270 mark.

00:54:26.040 And when you do look at that polling as a whole, for example, Pennsylvania, we don't see many polls

00:54:32.060 having Harris leading in Pennsylvania. You see polls that are tied or they're slightly leading towards

00:54:38.020 Trump. Pennsylvania is a key state for the Democrats. If they lose Pennsylvania, really difficult

00:54:43.340 road to 270 for Harris. So, uh, that's a number that, uh, as you take a look at, it looks like

00:54:49.960 Pennsylvania should go towards Trump and that would suggest he would have some success on election

00:54:54.020 night. But if Pennsylvania does flip and stays with Harris, that opens up some other pathways,

00:54:59.720 uh, that we've been seeing. But the general take is that Harris is doing slightly worse than Biden in

00:55:05.820 2020. And the question is, is it worse enough for Trump to be able to overtake her in states like

00:55:11.920 Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, all within a point. You know, those are all states that ended up within a

00:55:19.100 percentage point. The other states that are a little bit further away would be Pennsylvania

00:55:23.600 and Michigan, but, uh, those are also very competitive. Most of them have it tied or within

00:55:29.860 a point on either side. Okay. Let's, so let's talk about possible paths because as I was looking

00:55:36.360 at the numbers today and, you know, you can just Google those interactive maps and start

00:55:40.420 clicking on what if she wins these states? What if he wins those states? Um, cause I was looking,

00:55:45.780 I compared the path, the possible paths to the latest battleground averages, um, taking the

00:55:51.760 real clear politics and five 38 averages of all polls. And for example, I looked at Georgia,

00:55:59.340 our CP average has Trump up 2.4, five 38 has Trump up 1.8 in the average of all polls. The latest

00:56:06.200 Emerson poll, which was earlier in October showed Trump up one. So it looks tight, but it looks

00:56:11.980 somewhat comfortable given the comparison states for Trump agree or disagree.

00:56:19.020 I would agree. Even at, you know, with our poll at one point, the previous poll was at three points.

00:56:24.620 And so we were seeing some movement in Georgia, but I think George is a pretty strong state for

00:56:29.560 Trump. He seems to be getting along with governor camp fairly well at this time. And those numbers

00:56:35.760 are around, I think what you mentioned on the aggregate around two to three points, which remember

00:56:41.160 Trump does better in 2016 when he wins the state and then Biden barely takes it in 2020. Maybe it

00:56:47.660 falls in between those two numbers, but it seems to be leaning towards Trump at this time.

00:56:52.420 Just the makeup with Kemp should be worth 11,000 votes. You would think we did see his numbers

00:56:58.420 shift almost immediately after those two patch things up. Okay. North Carolina, there was a report

00:57:03.900 earlier this week. I don't know how much stock to put in it, frankly, because it hasn't been

00:57:09.000 everywhere. And the polls still show North Carolina tight, but there was a report by the Carolina

00:57:14.980 Journal that she had pulled some $2 million worth of her advertising from North Carolina. 0.78

00:57:21.220 And she had made like a 2.3 or $4 million ad buy, and she pulled almost all of it out.

00:57:26.320 And it's not because she's running away with North Carolina. You know, it's not like,

00:57:30.040 she's up 10. This is looking more like Minnesota. So why spend the money there?

00:57:34.240 But it being as tight as it appears to be in the polls, you also wonder why she would throw in 0.98

00:57:39.120 the towel there, given that her campaign is rich. They have a lot of money. So I don't know what's 0.79

00:57:46.080 happening in North Carolina. It's strange to me that she'd pull the ads, given what I see in the

00:57:50.840 polls, but maybe you can help me. RCP average has Trump up one, 538 has Trump up 1.1. The Emerson

00:57:57.140 poll, your group in late October showed Trump up two. Yes. And so North Carolina is one of those

00:58:04.540 states that Harris is trying to win back from the Republicans. So it's always trying to win,

00:58:09.900 you know, a game on the other team's home field. And North Carolina would be a Republican home field,

00:58:15.100 like Georgia is a democratic home field, where they're trying to hold that, those electoral votes

00:58:19.900 that Biden won. And the Republicans are trying to take that back. But North Carolina's, I always

00:58:24.960 thought was a bit of a stretch for the Harris team. This is a state that Trump won in 2016. And in 2020,

00:58:31.340 it's been a state that has been pretty solid. Remember, it goes for Obama in 08, and then

00:58:36.460 switches back to Romney in 2012. So North Carolina historically would be a hard state for Harris to 0.61

00:58:43.620 try to break through on. I know that the Democrats were a little bullish with Mark Robinson,

00:58:48.520 the lieutenant governor gubernatorial candidate for the Republicans, showing a weak campaign

00:58:53.420 against Stein, thinking that there might be some reverse coattails. But we're not necessarily seeing

00:58:58.200 that in our numbers. It looks pretty, you know, even though two points isn't a huge, it's still

00:59:03.340 within the polls margin of error. But it's a big number to overcome for the Democrats. And I think

00:59:09.120 that's maybe why she pulled some of that ad buy out of North Carolina. Because if Stein is still

00:59:15.340 only at 12, 13 point lead in that gubernatorial race, that might not be enough to pull her over 1.00

00:59:21.660 the top. And in fact, we see much more ticket splitting when we see folks going on the Trump

00:59:27.500 side, willing to balance their ticket that way. So I don't know if it's going to help Harris in that

00:59:34.280 regard in North Carolina. I mean, I can see a real MAGA voter in North Carolina being like,

00:59:40.600 the lieutenant governor is a hot mess. I don't believe his denials on all of his weird scandal,

00:59:45.980 but I love Trump. I'm not going to make Trump pay for this guy's scandal. So I guess we'll see.

00:59:53.160 Well, Megan, to your point. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, you know, he's been down,

00:59:57.560 Robinson's been down by double digits for months, and it hasn't impacted the top of the race. You

01:00:02.480 know, as you mentioned, those polls have it, you know, tied or one point. It's probably leaning to

01:00:06.560 Trump by about one to two points, but that's going to be a lot to overcome considering the situation.

01:00:13.300 Okay. So let's go. We did Georgia. We did North Carolina. Let's talk about Arizona. RCP has

01:00:18.940 Trump up 2.5, 538. Again, this is the average of all polls and they, they curate the polls. They

01:00:25.860 don't take any poll in these averages. They, they only include the top notch pollsters with a proven

01:00:31.200 record like Emerson and others. Okay. So five, uh, five 38 has 2.2. So up 2.5, up 2.2 in the

01:00:38.780 averages. Emerson had Trump up two in early October. What do you think is happening in Arizona?

01:00:46.100 Arizona as a border state is a little different than these other states we've talked about because

01:00:50.680 immigration is their top issue. So when we talk about the, these swing states, it's generally the

01:00:55.800 economy's the top issue at around 40%, but in immigration, it drops down to about 30% and

01:01:01.340 immigration is at 30%. And then what's also interesting in Arizona, which is different

01:01:05.920 than these other swing states where females are voting for Harris and males are voting for Trump

01:01:11.800 in Arizona, both males and females are breaking for Trump, not by the same propensity, like we're

01:01:17.620 seeing of males in other states, but both eight, both genders are breaking, which is unusual

01:01:22.820 considering there has been a gender divide in, in this race, but in Arizona it's unique. I think

01:01:29.380 the immigration issue, it separates it from the other swing states. And that's been a state that

01:01:34.900 Trump has been leading for a while. Uh, the Senate race there is different where Gallego seems to have

01:01:41.260 a small, but steady lead over Lake pretty consistent. So there, again, the ticket splitting is what we're

01:01:46.860 seeing where they'll go with Trump, even though they went with Biden last time, this is a state where

01:01:51.240 Trump could try to win back those 11 electoral votes. Wow. I mean, Arizona has gone more and more

01:01:57.600 blue lately. They've got this Democrat governor. Um, they've got Democrat senators. So is Arizona

01:02:04.820 still a red state? What'd you say? I mean, I realize it's one of the swing states, but is it

01:02:08.420 in its nature? Do you think it's like, it's more red than blue?

01:02:13.400 Well, I think the issues are more red, but I think the voters are more purple and they're willing to vote

01:02:19.080 across aisle lines. They're not, you know, locked in with one of the parties. So we, like we may have

01:02:24.400 seen in the past, I don't think it's get Barry Goldwater country exactly what, you know, was back

01:02:29.360 in the day, but yeah, there's an inkling based on the issues, particularly on the immigration side

01:02:34.060 to try to get that resolved and solved. And so those line up better with Republican candidates.

01:02:39.920 But as you mentioned, the Democrats do have, uh, they were able to take both Senate races and the

01:02:45.600 governor's race. So Arizona has definitely been open to the democratic approach, but they've also

01:02:52.100 rejected too far of a progressive Democrat. And that's what makes the Gallego race really

01:02:56.920 interesting that he's been able to hold onto that lead, even though he's a little bit more progressive

01:03:02.020 than where Arizona tends to be. Yeah. You got Mark Kelly. Um, but I mean, Gallego, he's definitely

01:03:09.740 a progressive guy, but they just don't seem to be responding well to Carrie Lake for, you know,

01:03:15.160 a host of reasons. She was on the podcast saying, I disagree. My internal polls say these polls are

01:03:20.900 wrong. We'll find out very soon whether any of that is true. Um, okay. So that's so, so far based on

01:03:26.760 this discussion, it would appear Trump is actually looking good in Georgia, in North Carolina and in

01:03:33.100 Arizona and Nevada, remarkably Spencer seems so far to be leaning Republican. Doesn't mean things

01:03:42.360 won't change over the next five days as the voting continues, but like something incredible is

01:03:47.340 happening in Nevada. Well, Nevada, you know, used to be more of a swing state and it's become more

01:03:53.860 Democrat over the last, you know, six to eight years. Uh, Obama helped make it more Democrat, but,

01:03:59.480 uh, they've been pretty strong at like two, two and a half points for Clinton, two, two and a half

01:04:04.920 points for, uh, Biden. Now the race is much tighter. It's about a half a point. I still think

01:04:12.660 it leans towards Harris, but Trump has made up a lot of ground. Uh, again, the Senate race seems

01:04:19.500 Jackie Rosen's got a stronger lead over the Republican Brown, uh, by a couple of points. So you're not seeing

01:04:25.320 any coattails from Trump moving down perhaps, but that's a state where I think the Democrats can still

01:04:32.640 hold it. It's six electoral votes, which are important, but it could also swing. It's really

01:04:37.660 rolling the dice there in the silver state. Uh, those polls have been really tight. Now what's

01:04:42.440 interesting there is that you've got this huge Hispanic population and Hispanic polling is really

01:04:47.640 difficult to do. Uh, some Hispanic in the Hispanic community, they're much more, um, uh, not, not as 1.00

01:04:55.640 confident of taking the polls. They're, they're not willing to answer the phones or, or give out that

01:05:00.420 information. And so sometimes that polling can get a little wonky out there, but what we've seen

01:05:05.400 is a pretty consistent close race between these, uh, two candidates for a couple of months.

01:05:11.120 But what I'm basing my comments on are the John Ralston reports on how the early voting seems

01:05:17.960 to be going. And it seems we discussed this with Charlie Kirk yesterday, like the Republican votes

01:05:24.020 coming in are exceeding anything they've seen in the past. And from counties that they didn't expect,

01:05:30.200 like the Democrats so far, the response in Clark County, which is where that's how they win the

01:05:34.180 elections out there, right? Clark County. It's, it's the Vegas district. That's how the Democrats win

01:05:39.020 are a lot. The Democrat response has been lower and the Republican response has been higher than

01:05:43.640 they anticipated. So right now you, if you're Trump, you have to be feeling better than you've

01:05:49.220 ever felt before about your chances in Nevada. You do. And in those early voting numbers that you

01:05:56.460 you've referenced, uh, it's important to see the Republicans I believe are plus five. They're about

01:06:01.440 39% of the vote versus 34% for the Democrats in these early vote, which is counter to where the

01:06:07.360 Republicans were four years ago. Now, are they cannibalizing their election day vote? Or is 0.77

01:06:12.320 there even more Republican vote that's going to come out? If that's the case, then Trump will take

01:06:17.060 the state because he's leading right now in the early voting. I presume the Democrats will get a push

01:06:23.860 through their culinary unions or other groups out there to try to match that vote. But those are

01:06:30.500 important numbers to follow over the next few days, because if the Democrats don't match that 39%,

01:06:36.180 the conventional wisdom is the Republicans will have a better day of get out the vote effort and

01:06:42.000 should be able to maintain whatever advantage if they have one on election day.

01:06:46.220 Well, it'll also really be interesting to see whether the culinary unions and so on

01:06:49.820 do what the teamsters did, where the pressure from the top is to get out and vote and to vote blue,

01:06:56.140 but the rank and file don't listen. They, they don't want who the people who are running the union

01:07:02.880 want. And they go into the voting booth and they do what they think is right. So, you know, it's just

01:07:09.460 with Trump, it's not as clear cut as it used to be when it comes to the union vote. So I, even that,

01:07:16.580 I, I don't know. I'm not sure the Harry Reid union machine is going to be as helpful to the Dems as it

01:07:22.220 has been.

01:07:22.780 I think that's a great point, Megan. And it's not just in Nevada, it's Michigan, it's Pennsylvania.

01:07:28.900 What we're seeing is this whole change of the electorate happening right in front of our face.

01:07:33.740 And sometimes you don't recognize it when, you know, the wind's blowing in all these directions,

01:07:37.400 but I can see the working, the, the union votes shifting a little bit from left to right.

01:07:43.240 And then more of that elite, uh, higher educated vote shifting a little bit more from the right to

01:07:48.840 the left. And we'll see how it all balances off on November 5th, but it seems as if the electorate

01:07:54.900 is being shaken up this election cycle. Okay. So of the four States I just listed,

01:07:59.940 which would give Trump the presidency, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada,

01:08:03.900 which is the one most likely to go blue and not red? Nevada. Yeah. Okay. So that would be six

01:08:12.340 electoral votes over to the blue side. And that would mean Trump would need to win one of the blue

01:08:17.180 walls. He would have to win Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, which are tougher. I think that's

01:08:23.260 a tougher road. I mean, again, Nevada, as you point out is more of a blue state, but given the weirdness

01:08:28.300 as we just discussed might not be ungettable for him. So which of the three blue walls is he looking

01:08:34.860 the best in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania? So in our polling, we've seen him strongest in

01:08:42.160 Wisconsin. And Wisconsin was a state that he lost by half a point. Remember Michigan and Pennsylvania,

01:08:48.580 he loses by a larger amount, about two, two points in Michigan, about a point in Pennsylvania.

01:08:54.180 Remember Nevada is a state where in 2020, Nevada is a state where Biden wins by just over two points.

01:09:00.620 So out of those States, Wisconsin was the closest of them. And what we've seen pretty consistent in all

01:09:06.320 of our polling is a zero to one point Trump advantage. And it's not a huge advantage, but we

01:09:12.820 have consistently seen in Wisconsin polling underrepresent Trump. So in all of the polls,

01:09:19.060 not just the Emerson poll, every poll out there generally has underrepresented Trump in 2016 and

01:09:24.760 again in 2020. And when I say it's like five points, six points. So to me, anything in Wisconsin

01:09:31.480 that's tied, the conventional wisdom is that Trump will take it because we're underrepresenting.

01:09:36.180 It's not intentional. We're on to capture everybody's opinion, but it's just historically,

01:09:40.740 you got to look back at your track record and say, what states are harder to poll than others?

01:09:45.100 And that happens to be, it seems, one of those states.

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