Best of the Week： Hollywood Bias with James Woods, Kamala's Coronation, Whistleblowers Emerge
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Tulsi Gabbard joins me this week to talk about the new coronation of Kamala Harris as the Democratic Party's next presidential nominee, and her thoughts on why she thinks it's a good idea. Plus, Josh Hawley talks to me about what he's hearing from whistleblowers about the Trump assassination attempt.
Transcript
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's been a busy week, well, busy month,
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and we had some fascinating conversations on the show. There may not be a former Democratic
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politician who is as closely connected with the failed 2020 campaign of Kamala Harris
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as Tulsi Gabbard. She basically ended Kamala's campaign before it really began on a debate
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stage in 2019. Well, she joined me this week to talk about the new coronation of Kamala Harris this
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week, and she's got some really interesting thoughts, as you might imagine. Senator Josh
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Hawley was on with me to discuss what he's hearing from whistleblowers directly about the assassination
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attempt of former President Donald Trump, including why someone was on that roof that the shooter took
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shots from, successfully, unfortunately, but left it. That's what the whistleblowers told him,
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and he tells us in this conversation. Meantime, legendary actor James Woods was here on the
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program. He almost never gives interviews, and he shed some light on what it's really like for a
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conservative in Hollywood and what they did to him in particular, which is horrifying, but not totally
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surprising knowing that. And our friends from National Review, Charlie Cook and Jim Garrity,
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joined me to talk about what Kamala Harris's record really looks like. Back Monday. See you then.
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President Biden's selfless decision has given the Democratic Party the opportunity
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to unite behind a new nominee, and boy, oh boy, are we enthusiastic. When I spoke with her Sunday,
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she said she wanted the opportunity to win the nomination on her own and to do so from the
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grassroots up, not top down. She would work to earn the support of our party, and boy, has she done so
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in quick order. So now that the process has played out from the grassroots bottom up, we are here today
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to throw our support behind Vice President Kamala Harris. I'm clapping. You don't have to.
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And they didn't clap. And for the listening audience, while he's doing this bit, he's pumping
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his fist like, yay, we can do it. Both fists together. Swing, swaying, bottom up, grassroots,
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just in case you didn't hear. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Who better to talk about all of this
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with than my next guest, Tulsi Gabbard. She was a 2020 presidential candidate on the Dem side,
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and she is author of the book, For Love of Country, Leave the Democrat Party Behind,
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so you know how things went over there. Tulsi, great to have you back, especially so soon. But
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why shouldn't we, given the monumental developments since you were last on? This was a grassroots,
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bottom up, quote, process that was really given to the voters, just in case you weren't aware,
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Yeah, sure. If you buy what Chuck Schumer is selling, which I don't for a second. I was laughing
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as you played that clip, Megan, because, gosh, it's just so telling in so many ways,
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In front of loyal Democrats and campaign operatives, nonetheless.
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Exactly. Exactly. It really said it all about who's actually made the decision here. And it's not
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the rank and file Democrats. And we got to go all the way back to when the Democratic presidential
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primaries were supposed to occur. Stark contrast to when I ran in 2020, in that presidential primary,
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where you actually had primaries. And there were a lot of different choices from voters to select from.
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How that pre-curation and pre-selection process occurred between the Democratic Party and the
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mainstream propaganda media back then is another topic for another conversation. But at least there
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were many names on the ballot. And voters had the opportunity to go and cast their vote for the
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candidate of their choosing. In this election, now in 2024, many states didn't even have primaries.
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We actually had a few people who stepped up to run against Joe Biden in the primary election,
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and their names were not allowed to be on some ballots in these states. So to say that, first of
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all, there was even a Democratic process to select Joe Biden to be the nominee is a pure lie. And that
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lie is continuing on now as they try to create this new narrative and this facade of how the Democratic
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Party is going to the grassroots from the bottom on up to select Kamala Harris as the nominee.
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None of that has happened. What are we at? It's Wednesday now. This announcement was just made that
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President Biden was not going to run on Sunday. Where was the bottom-up grassroots voices being heard
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and votes being cast now for Kamala Harris to be the new Democratic nominee? It's a lie. It hasn't
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happened. They have decided that she will be the nominee. But they're trying to pretend as though
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that this is a decision being made by the American people are certainly Democratic primary voters
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to try to bolster her position rather than seeing it for what it actually is, which is a coronation
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by the Democrat elite who've been calling the shots for Joe Biden, who's been a figurehead for
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the Democrat elite for the last three and a half years. And now they see in Kamala Harris someone who
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will continue to be a figurehead and who will do whatever they tell her to do.
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That's exactly right. She's going to owe them. She's going to owe them big. It's right on brand
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though, Tulsi, for the Democrat party and what we've seen recently, where we've just been through
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years of them telling us not to believe our lion eyes when it came to Joe Biden's decline.
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And then when it was no longer, you know, they were no longer capable of hiding it.
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And Kamala subs in, don't believe your lion eyes that this looked like a top-down effort.
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You know, she was made the nominee by Fiat. You guys really actually voted for it. This came
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from you at the grassroots. And I have to say of all the ones who object, finally, you see BLM
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coming out and saying, this is not okay. She's been placed in there. We object to this. We do not
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support her. And shouldn't there be at least the semblance of democracy here? I mean, this might be
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the first time I've agreed with the messaging coming out of that group. It is, it is very telling
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again, and it's a continuation of, of two things. Number one is, uh, across the, the entire Biden
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Harris administration, they have consistently shown that, that they believe if they say something
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that it is somehow true. And number two, that we, the American people are stupid enough to buy what
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they are saying and not pay attention to what they're doing. Uh, we've seen this, uh, dramatically
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with their open border policies over and over again for the last three years, president Biden,
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Kamala Harris, secretary of Mayorkas over and over again, telling the American people,
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the border is secure. The border is secure. There is no crisis at the border. Don't worry about this.
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There's nothing to see here folks. And then all of a sudden, because they see voters are looking at
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what's actually happening. They're not buying their lie. President Biden does this last minute
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political election year executive order to try to crack down on the, on the border and, and actually
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acknowledge, well, actually, no, it wasn't secure, but it's the Republicans' fault and it's Trump's
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fault. Uh, it, it doesn't make sense in any way, shape or form. They did the same thing with our
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economy. Bidenomics is working great. It's one of our greatest success stories. The economy is going
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to be great. The recession is not going to last very long. It's just a temporary thing. Don't worry
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about it. Nothing to see here. Meanwhile, everyday Americans are noticing that they can afford less
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and less every time you go to the grocery store, recognizing that our economy is not doing very
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well. Everything costs more now. And when are these prices going to fall? When isn't, when is
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inflation going to go down in enough of a way that makes it so that people can not have to be so
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concerned about how to cover the basic expenses of everyday life. We're seeing the same thing happen
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here. I think this statement from black lives matter is very telling because they're speaking
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the truth, first of all, but second of all, also that it shows that they expect black voters to fall
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in behind Kamala Harris lockstep. Once again, playing the identity politics game, rather than actually
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looking at what are the issues, what are the issues that are of concern to, uh, African-American
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voters to different demographics and constituencies across our country. They're, they're not actually
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focused on solutions to the real challenges we face. Once again, focused on what they say and hoping
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we fall for the lie and the optics of what they're presenting that are not reflective of the truth of
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the world and country that we live in today. So on the subject of, um, the economy, I believe that
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this is one of the reasons Democrats are struggling so mightily. And I think it's so far we've seen
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Harris as well. It's only been days. So take it with a grain of salt with young people because
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they're being directly affected. They can't get into the economy. They can't get anything close to a
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running start. They're dragging. They can't find jobs. I also happen to believe the over the top DEI
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messaging that these young people have grown up with and been immersed in in high school and college
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has turned a lot of them on these Democrats. They don't want their skin color and their gender and
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their whatever shoved down their throats. But look at this report from CNN. I've got two sound bites
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here from this guy, Harry Enten, who watches the polls carefully for them. They're very interesting,
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Tulsi. We'll play the first one and then we'll go to the second. Watch.
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Joe Biden won voters under the age of 35 by 21 points. What do we see with Kamala Harris? Well,
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she's still ahead. But the margin here is significantly less than what we saw with Joe
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Biden back in 2020. She's up by just nine points. You may make the argument that was better than
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Biden was doing before he got out. But compared to that Democratic baseline where Democrats have
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historically in presidential elections, at least this century, been carrying that young vote by 20
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or more percentage points, she is way down from that. Democrats say they're more motivated to turn
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out after Biden left the race. Well, we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say,
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yes, 39 percent. The thing I was interested in was it disproportionately younger voters who said
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that they were more likely to turn out or more motivated to turn out. And what we see here is
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it's 42 percent, not a big difference between 42 and 39 percent. So this idea, again, that the vice
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president has unique potential to dig in and get young voters to turn out. John, it's just not there
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in the numbers, despite all the Internet memes that are going around.
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They've only gotten a three point bump with young voters on enthusiasm since they announced her.
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Let me play the second one, because this speaks more to party identification. And you and I both
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know you used to be a Democrat. I did, too. Yeah. When you're young, that's when the Democrat Party
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is kind of usually most appealing. Not necessarily right now. Look at this.
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I want to look at party identification. Again, voters under the age of 35. Go back to 2020. This
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is the Pew Research study. This is one of the best studies that we have. And look at that. 56 percent
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of young voters said that, in fact, they were Democrats. They identified as Democrat or lean
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Democratic. You look down at 2024, it's 49 percent. Look at the Republican jump from 39 to 49 percent.
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So when we say that Harris is doing worse than Biden, it's not that she's uniquely bad. It's rather
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she's fighting uphill. She's trying to fight against a wave that is going against the Democrats
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among young voters. And Harris may be unique in some ways. Maybe she does slightly better
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than the generic Democrat, but not all that much.
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So for the listening audience, it shows that the the Republicans used to be at a significant
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disadvantage in getting young people to vote and register Republican. And it's been completely erased.
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And Democrats have gone from having forty nine percent of the young voters registered as Democrat
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to just 30. They've lost 10 percentage points on of their share. So you explain that one to me,
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Tulsi, because that's that's a problem for them.
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You know, what's what I think is is encouraging of what we're seeing here is that you have young
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people who are are questioning. They're not just accepting whatever they're being fed.
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Again, we can't cast a broad brush and say all young people this or that. But but it's encouraging
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to see that there are more young people who are not just accepting at face value what the
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Democratic leader saying when they say, hey, a boy can become a girl simply by declaring that is so
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and that boys should be allowed to compete in girls sports. I think people are actually this is
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young people, but I think across the board are recognizing the literal and pure insanity
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of these woke radical ideologies of the Democrat elite are not only advocating for, but pushing
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and mandating in our schools. The fact that in some schools now, for example, a track team
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in my home state of Hawaii, a girl's track team now has half of the team, half of the entire team
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are biological males competing on a girl's team, taking away those opportunities from our young
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women and girls. Every I think every rational, open minded person would look at this kind of
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example and just say, this is insanity. It's crazy. And so this you mentioned some examples with regard
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to the economy. You look at examples related to our open borders and how it's not just the border
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states now that are feeling the effects and impacts of the almost four years of open border policies under
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the Biden Harris administration. It's it's small towns. It's rural communities. I was in Montana
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recently and was talking to some folks there. This is Montana. You couldn't get farther away from the
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border on any coast or or the Southwest than Montana. And even there, they are being impacted by the illegal
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immigration crisis and an increasing presence of criminal activity by the cartels who have taken a stronghold
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there. It is harder for everyday Americans, young people who are usually not affiliated, attached to
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an affiliation of one party or another from a generational standpoint. So it's encouraging to see how people
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are using their common sense, being critical thinkers, being independent minded thinkers about, OK, well,
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which party and which candidate is more accurately representing common sense and what is actually in the best
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interest of themselves, their families, their communities in our country.
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It's absolutely insane, Megan. It's insane. Here's what the whistleblowers, the latest whistleblowers, we've had a
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number of them come forward to my office. Here's what the latest said just yesterday, that in fact, law enforcement had
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designated at least one individual, maybe more, but at least one whose job it was to be on the roof, not in the
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vicinity, not around, on the roof. And this person, I don't know if it was a he or a she, but this person, according
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to the whistleblower, decided, oh, it's awfully hot that day. And so they abandoned their post, never went back
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to the roof. And that is why the roof was left wide open. It wasn't because of the slope, contrary to what the
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former Secret Service director said. No, it was because this law enforcement individual just didn't want to be on
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there. But Megan, there's more. Whistleblowers also tell me that law enforcement were supposed to be
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patrolling the perimeter of that same building. I've been there, Megan. I've seen it myself. I went last
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week. I took my own team because I don't trust any of these people to give us the truth. It's American
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Glass Research building number six. Megan, it's a low roof. You've seen it. We've all seen it now in
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pictures. It's a it's a low slung building. There was supposed to be law enforcement patrolling the
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perimeter. They weren't doing it either. Instead, because of the heat again, whistleblowers tell me
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that law enforcement went inside the building. So you got the roof abandoned. You got law enforcement
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inside the building in the air conditioning and you have the building essentially open. Megan,
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you can it's sometimes it's hard to see from the pictures, but I can tell you having been there,
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there are air conditioning units, really large air conditioning units on either side of that
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building. It's easy to get on that roof. I mean, it really is. It's a single story.
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Any able-bodied individual could hop up on the air conditioning unit and hop up right onto the
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roof. You wouldn't even need a ladder. If you had a ladder, it'd be super easy. Any 20-year-old kid,
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which is what the shooter was, who he was, could certainly do it. Law enforcement,
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according to whistleblowers, Megan, left the building totally, totally defenseless.
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Oh, this is awful. When we say law enforcement, do we mean local law enforcement as distinct from
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Secret Service? Yes. So this is the whistleblower said to me that Secret Service had asked local and
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or state law enforcement to handle this and that they failed to do so. Now, I will just note, Megan,
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that there is a lot behind the scenes here and not so behind the scenes in public. There's a lot of
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attempts at blame shifting, and I'm even getting it from whistleblowers. We've got whistleblowers from
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Secret Service World who are coming forward and saying, it's the locals' fault. And then I've spoken to
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local law enforcement. Whistleblowers said, don't blame us. It's the Secret Service's fault. The
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Secret Service didn't even show up the way they were supposed to for the walkthrough plan with local
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law enforcement. So it is unclear to me. This is why we need the facts. This is ridiculous. You've got
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law enforcement on both sides pointing the fingers at each other. You've got a former Secret Service
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director who would take no responsibility. But bottom line is this. Somebody was supposed to be on
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that roof. Somebody was supposed to be guarding that building. Nobody did either.
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So the local law enforcement is delegated this task and Secret Service, for some reason, put it
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outside the perimeter of the responsible area that Secret Service would have to look after.
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And then it seems like they washed their hands of it. I mean, we had a former Secret Service
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guy on the show a couple of days ago who was saying it doesn't matter whether it was inside or
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outside the perimeter. Ultimately, it is the Secret Service's responsibility. And if you're going to
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delegate it to local law enforcement, it's still your responsibility to make sure that it's well
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protected. That plus the fact that we know Kim Cheetah lied about the reason they weren't up there
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was a sloped roof isn't safe, tells me they're running scared. They know it was on them. And then
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we get her performance yesterday, which, yes, ultimately led to her being forced out over her
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strong objection. But why wouldn't she give any names? I realize there's probably going to be a public
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pile on when we figure out who put the area outside of the, you know, Secret Service perimeter
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and so on. But that them's the facts like that's life. So why can't we get actual specifics?
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Well, we need actual specifics. And the reason I think is, is that there doesn't want nobody wants
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to be responsible for anything. Secret Service doesn't want to be responsible. DHS doesn't want
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to be responsible. Let me highlight something else that a whistleblower has told me, Megan,
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and that is there were more DHS, Department of Homeland Security, more Homeland Security personnel
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there that day working the rally that day than Secret Service agents. And this is because Secret
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Service is so overstretched. They had so many other events going that they didn't have enough people
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to actually cover the rally. So the most of the majority, the preponderance, most of the agents there
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that day, the federal agents were from Homeland Security. They weren't prepared for this event.
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They were not ready to do their jobs. They were supposed to be doing things like
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using canines at the entrance to sweep people going through the crowd. They were supposed to
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be guarding the area around the platform. They were supposed to be coordinating with locals.
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And whistleblowers tell me they weren't doing any of these things. So Megan, we've got failure
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at every single level. I mean, every level you look at here, Secret Service wasn't coordinating
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this properly. Secret Service allowed Trump to go on stage. Secret Service didn't have the right
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plan in place. DHS was unprepared. They didn't know what they were doing. State and local law
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enforcement officials were just out there on their own, not sure what they were supposed to be doing,
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maybe not doing their job. I mean, it is every piece of this is a total disaster.
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The House Oversight hearing yesterday saying that the officers involved at that particular facility
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were Butler Emergency Services. And God knows what their training was. Who knows whether they had
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the training or the experience to understand how to protect a former president who we knew was under
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threat or who they should have known was under threat. So now you have Kim Cheadle forced out
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as a result of the embarrassing performance yesterday, in addition to the failures that
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kicked this whole thing off. And you've got Joe Biden's reaction as follows in a paper statement.
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She has selflessly dedicated and risked her life to protect our nation throughout her career in the
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U.S. Secret Service. We especially thank her for answering the call to lead the Secret Service
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during our administration. We're grateful for her service to our family. As a leader, it takes honor,
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courage, and incredible integrity to take full responsibility for an organization tasked with one
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of the most challenging jobs in public service. And then they go on to say the independent review to
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get to the bottom of what happened on July 13th continues. And I look forward to assessing its
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conclusions. That's pretty remarkable. He does not come anywhere near throwing her under the bus.
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I don't know that this gets it done, Senator. What do you think?
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No, it doesn't. I mean, and by the way, she did none of those things. The things he just said in his
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statement there, honor, service, you know, responsibility. She didn't take any responsibility.
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We all watched the hearing. And by the way, she had briefed senators before that hearing five days
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ago now, six days ago. She briefed senators in a closed door briefing. Megan, she was exactly in
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that briefing as she was yesterday. She was unprepared. She was ill-informed, and she was
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totally unwilling, totally unwilling to take any responsibility. She didn't know basic facts six
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days ago. She didn't know basic facts yesterday. If the president really wanted to show some leadership,
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he should have fired her. He should have said, this is totally unacceptable. I never should have
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appointed you. You're fired. But of course, this guy won't fire anybody. I mean, let's think back
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to Afghanistan, where we lost 13 brave service members and hundreds of American civilians left
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behind to the enemy. Who did he fire after that? Nobody, nobody, no accountability. Here we have an
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American president shot, another good American killed, multiple others critically wounded.
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Nobody will take any responsibility. It's a, it is a sickness in this administration.
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And when she got up there yesterday, it seemed clear she had things she wanted to hide.
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There was just one example. I mean, we can go through more of them, but there was the example
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of how the secret service lied on the record about denying president Trump's requests for additional
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security. I mean, my own suspicion is they thought it was a vanity play. They thought maybe he was
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just self-aggrandizing. I don't know. That's my speculation, but they did repeatedly deny him
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additional resources for protection. And now we know, of course, he did have reason to fear for
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his life and they denied it on the record, both when, uh, Dan Bongino alleged it, when Susan Crabtree
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of real clear politics alleged it. Uh, and then they were pressed to director Cheadle was pressed
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yesterday on the fact that she signed off on those lies that she would have had to approve her
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spokesperson, Anthony Gugliemi, uh, in the lies that he told. And here was a bit of that exchange with,
00:23:47.720
uh, Florida representative, Mike Waltz and SOT 24. Did you sign off on that spokesman statement?
00:23:53.300
The spokesman statement, I believe was related to requests that were made. Did you sign off on it
00:23:57.580
for the requests that were made at the rally? Did you sign off on the statement before it went out?
00:24:02.740
I sign off on my press spokesman statement before they go out. I would hope you would in the wake
00:24:06.660
of an assassination attempt. Yes, you did. Categorically false that any requests were made.
00:24:14.680
You signed off on it. Thank you for that. Uh, thank you for that clarity.
00:24:21.040
So here's the thing, Senator, what that tells me is that even in the wake of an assassination attempt
00:24:25.420
in which a man died, she's not even at best, she was an error, right? So she's not even checking
00:24:31.660
her facts and being careful in the messaging around something as critical as whether they
00:24:36.960
denied Trump's requests or not, which seems like just a massive political CYA effort by Kim Cheadle
00:24:44.220
and those who work for her. Yeah, a hundred percent. You take the words right out of my mouth.
00:24:48.180
That's exactly what this is. That's what I thought when I first heard her brief senators a week ago.
00:24:53.160
And, uh, listen, the other person, Megan, who is the big liar here and has lied in public
00:24:57.560
repeatedly is Alejandro Mayorkas. Mayorkas, remember, went on, I believe the Sunday morning
00:25:02.540
talk shows and said, Oh, actually we had beefed up Trump's security. We had given him even more
00:25:07.800
than he requested. There was a threat from Iran and therefore we had, we'd given even more and we
00:25:13.300
were, we were tracking this. That's all false. That is just not true. They did not give them the
00:25:18.820
security they requested. His security was not beefed up. That's just an out and out lie. And by the way,
00:25:23.700
Mayorkas head of DHS, he should be on the hook here too. He was overseeing this entire operation
00:25:29.700
so far. He hasn't even appeared before Congress, let alone taken responsibility.
00:25:34.560
So this guy's basically got control, control in quotes of the border and of the secret service.
00:25:40.740
And it's not going very well. When is he getting hauled before Congress?
00:25:45.640
Yeah. Hopefully soon. Hopefully next week, the Senate is going to hold hearings on this next week.
00:25:50.380
And Alejandro Mayorkas had better be there. It's the committee on Homeland Security. I sit on that
00:25:54.860
committee. He had better be there under oath because sure, Cheadle's the director of the
00:25:59.500
secret service. She deserves to go. He's in charge though. I emphasize Mayorkas of the whole operation.
00:26:05.860
He oversees the whole thing. The secret service agents who were there, that's his brief. The DHS
00:26:11.160
detailees who were there at the rally. And I'm told now by whistleblowers that DHS personnel are often
00:26:16.980
getting assigned to these events. He oversees them as well. The whole thing is his responsibility.
00:26:22.140
And Megan, he has lied and lied and lied. And you're right. Best before we even get to the border
00:26:27.220
where he lies for a living. This guy is bad news. He's already been impeached by the house. He should
00:26:32.740
have been removed by the Senate. The Democrats didn't even hold a trial. Now we can see what a mistake
00:26:36.800
that was on his watch. Nine, 10 million illegals have come into this country and an American president
00:26:43.280
has suffered an assassination attempt. This guy's got to go. What we've seen is that he's not keeping
00:26:48.460
us safe. He didn't keep Trump safe. He didn't keep this poor fire chief safe who got killed at the
00:26:53.520
Trump rally. Compertory, the two people who were shot. He didn't keep the border safe and the women
00:26:59.040
who have been killed and raped and the men as well who are the victims. He didn't keep the people who got
00:27:02.680
the fentanyl into their veins as a result of the border situation. I mean, this guy is, he should not be in
00:27:08.100
a position of protecting us. That's obvious with Mayorkas. Here's the other question I have for you
00:27:12.520
though, because she deferred yesterday, Kim Cheadle, many times to the FBI. Well, the FBI,
00:27:16.960
this, the FBI, that. And we already know there are a lot of questions about the FBI. Many Americans
00:27:21.280
don't trust the FBI at this point, given their role in Russiagate and all that nonsense.
00:27:27.240
She knew answers, according to her, that she'd been given by the FBI, which she says is investigating.
00:27:34.960
Meanwhile, it's her, it's her service. These are her employees, but she's claiming to get the info
00:27:39.960
from the FBI. And she wouldn't give it up as though there's some sort of attorney client privilege
00:27:44.660
between the secret service director and the FBI, which there isn't. Let me show you this exchange
00:27:49.360
and ask what's next for the FBI piece of this probe. SOT 28.
00:27:53.320
Have you been in communication with the FBI? Yes, I have. With whom? I speak with the director and the
00:28:02.300
deputy director. Okay. Did they share with you how many shell casings were on the roof?
00:28:07.880
They have shared with me the... Did they share with you how many shell casings were on the roof?
00:28:15.220
Yes. Okay. How many were there? I would refer to the FBI for... How many were there? And their
00:28:23.980
information that they need to share in their investigation. So they've shared the information
00:28:28.760
with you. You just don't want to share the information with us, correct? If you're supposed
00:28:35.180
to be in charge, if the buck stops with you, how come you can't share the answers? What are you
00:28:41.580
covering up? What are you hiding, my friend? I'm not covering anything. Then why can't you
00:28:48.460
answer a simple question? Okay. So what happens to her now? Does she just go off quietly into the
00:28:54.740
night? And then the second piece of it is what happens with the FBI? Like why do they have
00:28:59.280
sole knowledge of what's happening in this investigation? Well, Megan, I can tell you as to
00:29:05.800
the FBI, one of the reasons I went to the site myself last week is because I don't trust them to do
00:29:10.480
anything. And I will tell you, when I got there to Butler, to the site, the FBI tried to run me off
00:29:17.200
as quick as they possibly could. When I went to that building that we've been talking about,
00:29:22.440
the American Glass Research building, the FBI came out onto the property. By the way, I had been given
00:29:28.100
permission by local security to be there. The folks who have authority over the building. FBI comes out,
00:29:34.960
Megan, and tells me I have to leave. And I said, excuse me? I mean, what authority do you have to tell
00:29:40.320
me that I have to leave? And they said, oh, we're doing an investigation. We'll give you the report
00:29:44.080
later, but you can't be here. You have to go. That told me a lot right there, which is they want to
00:29:48.760
control the information flow, Megan. They want to control the facts and the details here. And you saw
00:29:53.760
it yesterday. You saw this, it looks like an agreement between the Secret Service and the FBI to try to
00:29:58.640
pump this and let the FBI control all of the information, let them control when they release it, and let them
00:30:05.600
control the narrative. They don't have the authority to do that, Megan. And we should not allow them.
00:30:11.040
We should not acquiesce to that at all. Listen, if they want to do an investigation, that's fine.
00:30:16.380
But that should not be the end of the inquiry for the American people. And the FBI director,
00:30:21.040
he needs to come to Congress. He needs to be under oath. He needs to answer questions.
00:30:25.360
Yes. My team telling me, because the local law enforcement, now the state police commissioner,
00:30:29.040
they're on the hot seat this afternoon. State police commissioner just said during the hearing,
00:30:34.360
he believes there are eight casings were found on top of that roof. And that means
00:30:37.920
that would mean that eight shots were fired by the shooter in this case.
00:30:46.920
Had my life threatened more times than I can tell you from my political views. I've had my career
00:30:52.540
destroyed because of it. I had an agent who probably was 20 bears deep when he did it on the 4th of July,
00:30:58.380
send me a text and say, I'm feeling patriotic today. I'm going to drop you as a client.
00:31:03.240
Let me rephrase that. Here's what he really meant. You vote differently for me in the United States
00:31:10.540
of America. So you don't deserve to have the career that you worked your ass off for for 40 years,
00:31:16.760
and I'm going to destroy it and blacklist you. And that's what this piece of shit did. Pardon my
00:31:23.600
French. Okay. Now the good news is he lost his biggest client and so on. And then I said, well,
00:31:31.100
I've got to find a way to pull myself up by my bootstraps. And thanks to two wonderful people
00:31:36.040
in my life, David Wargo, my friend from MIT and my glorious best friend for my entire career in
00:31:43.160
Hollywood. And man, I helped get into the business, Chuck Roven. The three of us together, David and I
00:31:51.380
brought Chuck a book called American Prometheus and said, do you think you can call your associate
00:31:59.240
and friend, uh, Chris Nolan, see if you can get him interested in this project that we've been trying
00:32:04.640
to get off the ground for five years. And he did. And the rest was history. And I was able to thank God
00:32:11.620
myself up by my bootstraps and, you know, and it was wonderful when Chuck, uh, you know,
00:32:18.300
won the Oscar. And the first thing he did was thank myself and David first thing that was,
00:32:22.900
that was sweet justice. Even for me, James, even where I was just to see, I have to thank you
00:32:27.460
and see you back with the award winning. I mean, it won every award Oppenheimer did
00:32:31.600
and they had to thank that was sincere, but like everyone in Hollywood had to bow down and say,
00:32:38.040
this was a great idea. Yeah. And well, the nice thing about it was, look, if you can put anything
00:32:44.800
in Christopher Nolan's hands and he says, yes, they haven't opened up. He's a remarkable, great
00:32:51.260
sin. He asked his, his wife and producer partner, um, Emma Thomas, wonderful woman and Chuck Roven.
00:33:00.340
Uh, do you know that I, I'm the executive producer of Oppenheimer and you know, I did it all
00:33:05.680
on a handshake. We all just shook hands and we made that movie and we, well, we didn't make the
00:33:11.820
movie, watch the movie, Chuck. And of course, Nolan made the movie, but we, we, we were able to put
00:33:18.980
that together because these are decent people. By the way, Chuck is more liberal, you know, in his
00:33:24.620
politics than, than I am, uh, never interferes. We can talk about anything. We don't have to hate
00:33:31.080
each other. I'm going to say something on your show. That's going to shock you. I'm going to try
00:33:36.200
I'm going to lose a million followers on Twitter right now. I love Whoopi Goldberg. I hate her
00:33:43.700
politics. I think she's insane with her politics, but I worked with Whoopi on a movie, a ghost of
00:33:49.980
Mississippi. I got an Oscar nomination. It was a great experience. I got to meet Ben, uh, Evers,
00:33:56.060
you know, and, and, uh, I, it was just a remarkable experience. Whoopi and I had the best time
00:34:05.220
together. She was such a sweet person. We became great friends. I like her. And if Whoopi Goldberg
00:34:11.860
and I sat in a room, I'd sit down and go, who wants to start first? Cause no matter who starts
00:34:17.280
first, the person who starts is going to say, why are you so nuts? But here's the difference
00:34:23.400
between, I think, look, people say you're a conservative firebrand. I was a Democrat for
00:34:29.660
20 years. I'm not a conservative firebrand. I am a centrist. I believe in the constitution
00:34:35.200
of the United States of America. I believe in the laws of the land and you should obey the laws of
00:34:40.420
the land. If you're a citizen and you should honor your oath of office to support and enforce the laws
00:34:45.720
of the land. If you are an elected leader, I don't believe that somebody like Gavin Newsom can say,
00:34:51.660
well, you know, the state of California voted for the death penalty, but I'm just not going to
00:34:54.940
enforce it. I was like, okay, great. Then I'm not going to acknowledge your gun laws. I'm going to
00:35:00.180
run around with an AK-47 shooting up the sidewalks. Of course not. You don't get to disobey the laws
00:35:07.140
selectively, but Democrats do. We don't do that. Can I ask you about this? Because I love this. I also
00:35:14.940
have so many friends who are Democrats, who are liberals. I don't really have any woke friends,
00:35:20.720
but I do have a lot of dear, lovely Democrat friends. And I read that you're actually friends
00:35:27.240
with Rob Reiner too, who is one of the biggest drunk critic. That's a biggie. You worked very
00:35:32.960
early on together. I understand you maintain the friendship. Well, it was the same movie,
00:35:37.560
but, but let me say something about, about Rob. Okay. Rob Reiner.
00:35:42.040
Well, this quote's going to hear it. Rob Reiner is a patriot. And by that, I mean,
00:35:52.560
he is passionate about ideas that he believes in. Hey, it's the United States of America. You can
00:35:58.140
believe what you want. And the things that he believes in are to him, the way to make America
00:36:08.120
great again. Now it may not be great in the way that some of the ideas I'd like to see to make
00:36:17.820
America great again. It may not be that. We may not have an equivalency there, but I believe that he
00:36:25.520
truly cares about this country. And that's one of the reasons he's so passionate. I think he's very
00:36:32.140
wrong about a lot of his social aggressive ideas, but you know, he's entitled to that. What's
00:36:40.120
magnificent about this country is that Rob Reiner and I can be friends and completely disagree about
00:36:47.620
just about everything, quite frankly. But you know what? Rob fought for the studio, didn't want me
00:36:54.360
for Ghost of Mississippi. And I promised him, I said, if you take the chance and hire me,
00:37:00.420
I'll get you an Academy Award nomination with my performance, because this is an important story.
00:37:06.160
And it was, it was about the assassination of Medgar Evers, you know, and while hateful people,
00:37:14.660
oh, good, I'm glad that guy got shot. Let me tell you a wonderful story about that one.
00:37:18.060
We were filming in Jackson, Mississippi. I'm all made up in this makeup, be like Byron D.
00:37:24.480
LeBeckwith. Byron D. LeBeckwith happened to be kept after he was convicted for murder, for life,
00:37:31.840
instead of being in the state prison where he would have been murdered. The state of the
00:37:38.080
Commonwealth, Louisiana, is it a Commonwealth state? Whatever, of Louisiana has a responsibility to
00:37:43.700
protect their prisoners. So they put him in the jail in Jackson, Mississippi, in the county jailhouse,
00:37:50.540
which is above their, I think is above their city hall and so on. So he was in the jail,
00:37:58.480
in the hospital part of the jail, looking down on us when we were filming the story.
00:38:05.860
And I walk out of the limousine and I'm looking at the crowd and I look up and there's Byron D. LeBeckwith
00:38:11.660
in the jail window, hospital window, looking down on us. And I got a note to come into the courthouse
00:38:23.100
and a lovely lady, she was one of the corrections officers that was assigned to oversee him. And she
00:38:33.080
said, Mr. Woods, I think she was actually a deputy sheriff as well, or a police officer. I'm not sure
00:38:40.020
what her exact, but she was a law enforcement personnel. Very robust black lady serving her community.
00:38:52.020
And she said, Mr. Woods, it's a pleasure to meet you. Mr. D. LeBeckwith has asked if you might want to
00:38:59.760
meet him. She said it very cordially. And I said, could you tell Mr. D. LeBeckwith that I
00:39:07.680
declined the invitation? And as an amendment to that thought, I hope he rots in hell and has
00:39:14.660
his gizzards eaten out by wild dogs. And she says, you know, I always thought I'd like you.
00:39:23.260
You married? Did not see that coming. Well done. Well, wait, this is, so I've got to,
00:39:31.940
I got to follow up with this because I'm driving to something. You, among your many theatrical
00:39:37.840
accomplishments, you were in one of my, and I venture to say most American women's favorite
00:39:43.600
movies ever. A little film in 1973 called The Way We Were. It was a very young James Woods
00:39:52.460
playing opposite Barbara Streisand. You were pals on the college campus and, um, you, you know,
00:39:59.640
you weren't Robert Redford didn't have that role, but you were pretty, pretty prominently featured in
00:40:03.620
this movie. And one of the things that you helped her in was her on-campus protest. She was a
00:40:10.220
communist and you guys were young and believed in these leftist, you know, commie ideals. And we
00:40:15.720
pulled a little clip of it. And then I'd love to ask you whether you've maintained with Barbara,
00:40:27.520
You can still take communion and like the Soviet Union.
00:40:34.920
The Kremlin is worried about the civil war in Spain, are you?
00:40:38.940
Thousands of Spanish citizens are being bombed and machine gunned and murdered.
00:40:56.880
Okay, just a little snippet. But she's, she's gone pretty far left too. And I wonder whether there's
00:41:06.060
Uh, you know, I bumped into her a couple of times and again,
00:41:09.300
you know, it's funny in our business, when you bump in to everybody, it's, I went, when, when I,
00:41:19.820
social media sort of changed things a lot. When I was kind of focused on social media as a more
00:41:27.040
conservative person, been blacklisted because of that agent's behavior, vile behavior, I, uh,
00:41:34.720
I went to an opening of a film, a friend of mine had produced, who was kind of new to the business.
00:41:39.520
And I thought, okay, I'll go. It was at the Academy, uh, theater. And you, you come down the
00:41:45.340
stairs and the place is mobbed. And I thought, oh man, I felt like, I'm just, you know, I felt like
00:41:52.780
that one guy in the famous pictures of everybody saluting Hitler and he's not saluting Hitler.
00:41:56.940
So here I am. I'm at a meeting of the communist party and I'm, you have that room. People come
00:42:03.540
up to me and go, Hey, I just, you know, I just want you to know I'm with you, but I, but you know,
00:42:07.920
I just don't want to say anything. And I said, and don't say anything. I said, because people
00:42:12.640
really are dangerous. They will, you know, that these casting directors now will look up your social
00:42:18.820
media history. They'll see who you follow and so on. Yeah. You know, I say to my friends,
00:42:23.700
I won't say who it is, but a very patriotic, great American who does wonderful things for
00:42:30.600
people in this country, supports veterans and a wonderful guy. He said, you know, being just
00:42:37.400
moderately conservative in this country, just being conservative, uh, in America today is like
00:42:44.480
being gay in the fifties. It's almost like you have to whisper. I see people say to me, we'll be
00:42:49.640
talking, they go, you know, I'm thinking of voting for Trump, but I go, you don't have to
00:42:53.460
whisper this. This is the United States. You don't have to whisper that you're going to vote for
00:42:59.600
the most popular person in the country right now, in terms of the polls to be the next president of
00:43:07.780
the United States. You actually don't have to apologize for exercising your first amendment
00:43:14.040
rights. And we've got to stop doing that. You know, but if you ever want to work again in Hollywood,
00:43:19.720
or if you want to make a career there as a young, different, different story, you must be, keep
00:43:25.120
quiet. Oh yeah. You have no chance. I mean, look, it's really funny. When, when Oppenheimer came out,
00:43:33.700
there was a discussion about my Twitter and it was gently suggested that I basically remain invisible,
00:43:44.720
which was painful. On the other hand, I'm a pragmatic person. And I thought a lot of people
00:43:51.660
put their effort into this. So I'm just going to be an invisible pariah because the people who are
00:43:57.600
going to be voting for Oscars, which is very important for a film to get Oscars, uh, because
00:44:02.620
it does help with the financial reward and the historical archive in which it will rest forever,
00:44:09.760
Academy award winning best picture Oppenheimer. You know, I don't want to deprive those people.
00:44:15.020
I don't want to have some nutcase come out of the woodwork, fabricate some ridiculous story
00:44:19.760
about me. I've had a million of them said they're all lies. I don't want that to happen and have the
00:44:26.660
clickbait story be, Hey James, what's the executive producer of Oppenheimer? We're not going to watch that
00:44:31.760
movie. So, you know, I just, I stepped back and basically, you know, took one for the team and
00:44:39.500
just, you wouldn't even know. I wasn't even invited to the producer's guild award. I'm a producer on the
00:44:44.340
picture and I was not invited to go to the producer's guild award, which is fine awards, by the way, one,
00:44:51.280
but you know, it's not that environment was not the one that my father shed blood for. Uh, it's not the
00:45:00.680
one that I see as the America. I would like to see my late brother, God rest his soul, my late
00:45:07.580
brother's children. And they're now their, their children, not the future. I see for them. I'd like
00:45:14.100
you to be able to vote for wherever you want to. And people say, you know what? You have a right to
00:45:17.240
do it, man. I disagree with you, but come have dinner and so on. And I just don't know why there's
00:45:23.880
this vicious underlying cancer that has destroyed our business. And here's where it comes from.
00:45:33.000
Oh, by the way, I got a little secret project coming out soon in October. Can't say anything
00:45:39.640
about it. Um, if you go to my website, jameswoods.com, there'll be a little hint of what it might be,
00:45:48.020
but I can't say another word about it because it's going to be, but some things are going to kind of
00:45:51.920
come out because, because I decided to embrace the second act. Oh, look at you. You are such a
00:45:59.700
little devil. I couldn't figure it out though. I have the picture, but I don't know what it's
00:46:06.160
telling me. Yeah. And you're going to have to think about this now for the next couple of months,
00:46:10.240
but we're going to be teasing stuff out. If you sign up, give your email on my, on the website. Um,
00:46:15.880
you'll, uh, uh, you'll be given updates on, on it. Um, it's, uh, it's a project that's just
00:46:23.860
unbelievably near and dear to my heart. And the good thing is I'm doing more stuff now. I'm,
00:46:28.400
I'm involved in the production of Oliver Stone's new movie. I love Oliver. He's difficult. We
00:46:34.280
disagree on everything. We fight all the time. And he came to me and said, Hey, Jimmy, you know,
00:46:39.660
you think you can help with this project like you did with Oppenheimer? And I said, I think I can. And
00:46:43.680
you know, I've got Chuck and Alex Gartner. And of course, Fernando Sulichin is, who's, um,
00:46:51.180
who's, uh, Oliver's, uh, producer. And, uh, the four of us are together on a handshake,
00:46:56.200
kind of just trying to get this beautiful project put together and we will, and it's going to be
00:47:01.020
fantastic. So, you know, F Scott Fitzgerald famously said, there are no second acts in American lives,
00:47:06.620
but my second act, they're shaping up pretty well. And I give all the credit to somebody who's
00:47:12.800
sitting there off camera. My absolutely beloved, brilliant wife, who Sarah, who is, she's like
00:47:24.060
this extraordinary photographer. Oh, there she is. That was just the night of the Oscars.
00:47:28.740
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00:48:26.680
Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles, right? And then let's just see where they overlap.
00:48:34.440
You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this. Remember those three circles,
00:48:39.540
how they overlap? I love Venn diagrams. So I just do, whenever you're dealing with conflict,
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pull out a Venn diagram, right? And so, you know, the three circles, the television coverage
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of just yesterday that's on top of everything else that we know and don't know yet based on what
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we've just been able to see. And because we've seen it or not, doesn't mean it hasn't happened,
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but just limited to what we have seen. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. My guests today,
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Charles CW Cook and Jim Garrity and Charles CW Cook was on to Kamala Harris for, you know, early on.
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This was a piece on national review after she failed in her presidential bid. Remember she
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took on Joe Biden to actually get the presidency and that nevermind the vice presidency that came
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later. And he concluded this piece on December 3rd, 2019 as follows. Everything that is wrong with
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American politics is summed up in Kamala Harris. She's a weathervane. She's dishonest. She's a coward.
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She's condescending and she's a phony. She is the answer to no useful or virtuous question.
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She has nothing of value to offer America. Goodbye. Bad luck. That's all folks.
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So you're saying there's a chance she's going to get your vote.
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You know, that post I think is correct. Unfortunately, it came in the context of my saying
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good riddance from American politics because at the time she had flamed out spectacularly.
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Not only had she failed to make headway and would end up winning no primaries, but she
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was polling at 3% in California, which is her home state. 3%. And so she disappeared. And
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I thought, well, that's good. We have now a great example of consequences for actions, but
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apparently not. She was resuscitated by Joe Biden and put in the VP spot. And so I am now in the
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unenviable position of watching an election between my two favorite people in the world, Kamala Harris
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and Donald Trump. I think this is my fault, Megan. I moved to America in 2011. Since then, I've done you
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guys no favors. Maybe I have to leave. But look, she is an awful, terrible person. And it's not just
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that her instincts are authoritarian, although they are. It's that she actually doesn't believe
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in anything. If you look at last time she ran for president, she said on two separate occasions that
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she wanted to completely abolish private health insurance. On the first occasion, she agreed with
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the proposition by putting up her hand. But the second time, she was asked about it on the stage
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directly. And she said in this incredibly flippant way, yeah, that's it. We've got to move on. It's got
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to go. Done. Now, 150 million people have private health insurance. And she was just going to get rid
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of it. Well, this was not too popular. And she noticed. And so she subsequently said, I misunderstood
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the question. No, you didn't. You didn't misunderstand the question. That's what you thought you had to
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say at that point. Because if you go back to the 2019 Democratic Party, support for single payer was a
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prerequisite until Biden won. And perversely enough, given the way he's governed, actually moved somewhat to
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the right. And she is a catastrophe. And my only question is whether or not the press is going to be able to
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turn her into something in a short space of time that will give her a good shot. I keep hearing skeptical
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Democrats saying, look, we don't have enough time to introduce her. But I think the opposite is true. I think the
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lack of time between now and the election is her greatest asset. If you gave her instead of a
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runway of 106 days, if you gave her 300 days, I think she'd be dead in the water.
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So on that point, Jim, there it's come to our attention. Taylor Lorenz of the Washington Post
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wrote this up a couple of weeks ago, but it's all over social media that these young lefties are trying
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to rebrand Kamala Harris's cringy moments as somehow cool. The language being used is
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likable oddball, funny, relatable moments online. She's just goofy, quote, a wine aunt, which I've
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never heard. She's like a wine aunt. It's fun. She's just a little goofy. And look at this, Jim. They
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actually put together a remix using this song called Brat, which I guess is pretty popular,
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a remix of Harris moments trying to make her seem just fun, just fun. Watch a little bit of this.
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You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
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I'm just living that life. Fun Dutch cult classic, but I still pop every time my track drops, you're jealous.
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My mother used to, she would give us a hard time sometimes and she would say to us,
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I don't know what's wrong with you young people.
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You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
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Megan, if I were the Trump campaign, I would be running that in every swing state, in every
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commercial break possible, just to say, yeah, yeah, Kamala Harris. She always seems slightly
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inebriated as the slogan for 2024. And maybe she is. Maybe she is a fun person. I don't know if
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that's necessarily the preeminent quality that Americans are looking for in a commander-in-chief
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There's a debate on this on Twitter right now about whether her sleeping with Willie Brown when
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she was an up-and-coming, inspiring politician in San Francisco is fair game. It's fair game.
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It's part of a pattern of her ascending to positions that she does not deserve based on merit for other
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reasons. First, she slept with this guy, Willie Brown, who was this extremely popular, powerful
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congressman out in California in the assembly out there, went on to become the speaker out there.
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And he put her in two different positions that she did not deserve when she was only 29 or 30.
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He was 60. Already, that affair is sus. And she was making the equivalent of 130 grand a year
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by today's money for meeting twice a month for these medical boards in another position for which
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she had zero qualifications. He was trying to lay the road for her political career. He admitted
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that he's the one who helped her win the role as DA, and she was sleeping with him. I'm sorry.
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No, Megan, let's just agree to say that she climbed the greasy pole of California politics.
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But so, by the way, I think you look at the story of Kamala Harris, and you look at someone who,
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from the beginning of her career as an assistant DA, to becoming, really, to the moment she runs
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for president, it was one success after another. This was somebody who knew how to appeal to a
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Democratic primary electorate in a place like San Francisco, and then to appeal to a Democratic
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electorate as a whole, which is a whole bunch of liberal progressive Democrats, right? It is
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surviving and rising to the top in California politics, besides any extracurricular activities,
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is appealing to all the liberal interest groups. You've got to take care of the unions. You've got
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to take care of Hollywood. You've got to take care of Silicon Valley. You've got to take care of the
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environmentalists. It's like the stations of the cross. But if you take care of everybody,
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then you get the nomination, and you cruise to victory in the general election.
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That does not prepare you to win the Iowa caucuses. That does not prepare you to win
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New Hampshire or South Carolina or any of these other states that are just politically and culturally
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dramatically different to that. And I kind of feel like, even in that first debate, when she,
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you know, calls Joe Biden racist, things are going well for her right up until the moment.
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Tulsi Gabbard guts her like a fish by pointing out the contradictions in her prosecution record and
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points out. You laughed on a radio interview about smoking marijuana, but you prosecuted this many
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thousand people for marijuana possession back when you were a prosecutor. And it just goes through all
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the contradiction. And I think Kamala Harris never came back from that. And I think everything from
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the nervous laugh to the perception that she always feels like she's giving a book report on a book
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she didn't read, you know, the phrases she keeps going, the haiku, Hallmark card stuff. I think it's
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all nervousness. I think she stepped up and minds in that 2020 campaign. It all came crashing down.
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And I'm going to quote Charlie back to Charlie, which I think is the ultimate compliment you can
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give somebody, where he points out that like Joe Biden only became president because Barack Obama
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picked him off the scrap heap of politics in the summer of 2008. And let's face it, most of us saw him
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as assassination insurance, right? The idea of, well, you know, nobody's going to take a shot at Obama if
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Biden's going to be a heartbeat away. And then Kamala Harris, as you point out, crashed and burned in that
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2020 presidential campaign. And then because Joe Biden had promised he was going to pick an African
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American and promised he was going to pick a woman, there weren't that many options. And he
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picked her, which I think, you know, we can all kind of agree, did not work. And the fact that he
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chose to run for a second term was an ipso facto declaration that he didn't think she could beat
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Donald Trump one-on-one in the general election. And yet here we are.
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Hmm. There's a, there's a very interesting Axios piece out, um, that says Biden doubted
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Harris's election chances that he hesitated to drop his reelection campaign in part because he
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and his senior advisors worried about her. They did not think she was up to the task of taking on
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Trump. According to three Biden aides familiar with recent talks, according to the 2020 campaign,
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he, his aides recall watching Harris interrogate her then chief of staff, Corrine Jean-Pierre,
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to the point that it made others uncomfortable. I'll defend Kamala Harris on that. That's,
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that's off. That's easy to do. I mean, you ask her anything, anything.
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You watch any white house briefing and, uh, yeah, that doesn't seem more of the same. That's, uh,
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yeah. I mean, you, she thinks the Nobel prize is the noble prize. She said it repeatedly, the noble,
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it's not the noble prize. So yeah, that would grow uncomfortable quickly. Um, they said she wasn't a
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team player. She straight, she stayed away from any task with risk. And then there's this nugget
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in April, 2022, Harris was the guest for a dinner at DC news mogul, David Bradley's home,
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a salon style event. Bradley hosts with Washington journalists and newsmakers.
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Harris's anxiety about the dinner was such that her staff held a mock dinner beforehand,
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a mock dinner beforehand with staffers playing participants. According to two people familiar
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with the event, Harris's aides even considered including wine in the mock prep. So Harris could
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practice with a glass or two. They ultimately decided against it. I I'm horrified by this story.
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They did hold the mock dinner. They just didn't have the wine. Um, Jim, this is exactly what you're
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talking about, that she's awkward. She's uncomfortable. She's socially not adept. And we can see all that.
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Yeah. And I, so the first time I ever saw Kamala Harris was in 2012 at the democratic national
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convention in Charlotte. She was one of the early speakers on one of the early nights. She was not
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the star. It was kind of a, but she was the California attorney general then. And she was,
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you know, kind of seen as a rising star. And I remember, it was only like five to 10 minutes
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worth of remarks, but I remember watching saying, ah, you know, dang it. Here comes the next great
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Democrat. Uh, here comes the female Obama, relatively young, relatively charismatic, relatively
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attractive. And she's from California. She's got a, she's going to be the next, you know,
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this is going to be really tough. I clearly, she had like five to 10 minutes worth of material.
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Uh, and that, you know, but it's interesting to see somebody who was once so self-assured
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now sex seems to second guess herself and be very nervous in these things, terrified of saying the
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wrong thing. And then often ending up saying the wrong thing. Like, Oh, we, I've been to the border
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when she had not. Yeah. And I've never been to Europe. Um, I do want to talk about Charlie's
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reasons for disliking her because not only was there the thing about moving us all off of private
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insurance, just with her magic wand, she wants to take away your health insurance and make you go
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on the government dole. Um, but she also wants to take away guns. She's made that very clear.
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She was a co-sponsor of the green new deal. Um, she believed Jussie Smollett. She called Jacob
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Blake who pulled a knife on cops, um, a hero, something along those lines and more.
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