The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Left's Censorship Regime, Veterans Speak Out on Walz, Harris' Debate Complaint

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.580 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and this weekend, best of special.

00:00:48.280 We had a busy week on the show, beginning on Labor Day on Monday,

00:00:51.540 with a special edition of the program and my interview with four brave veterans who served our country.

00:00:57.940 They spoke out together for the first time about the man who was the leader of their National Guard unit in Minnesota,

00:01:04.900 Tim Walls, who decided to retire conveniently right before the unit was deployed to Iraq.

00:01:12.080 I also spoke with our pal Glenn Greenwald about what we're seeing from the Democratic Party when it comes to censorship of those whose opinions they don't much like,

00:01:20.860 like former President Donald Trump, of course, but also those on the Dems side, like Jill Stein and Tulsi Gabbard.

00:01:27.700 She's now a registered independent, but they didn't like her when she was an outspoken Democrat either.

00:01:33.040 Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire was with me as well this week for the first interview about his new movie out next week called Am I Racist?

00:01:40.780 You will see exclusive clips and enjoy this interview immensely.

00:01:45.420 The film is hilarious.

00:01:46.920 It's going to make major waves when it hits theaters this week.

00:01:50.260 Get ahead of the curve by watching this interview.

00:01:52.740 And I spoke with the host of The Real Clear Politics podcast and SiriusXM show about the Kamala Harris campaign,

00:01:59.520 still whining about the debate rules for Tuesday's debate and more.

00:02:05.900 These are the polling gurus.

00:02:07.700 They know tons about elections and you will find them fascinating here as always.

00:02:12.080 Enjoy and we'll speak to you on Monday.

00:02:15.960 Zuckerberg mentioned the pressure he was receiving over at Facebook from the government to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop,

00:02:22.240 saying it's one of the things he regrets doing.

00:02:25.340 You still have some publications holding on to the fact, to the lie, that this could be Russian disinformation.

00:02:31.800 Those 51 intelligence analysts are still holding on to, well, you never know.

00:02:36.880 It's been verified they can't admit their mistakes, but it's somewhat promising that you've got somebody like Zuckerberg saying,

00:02:44.320 I see now, I see what they did and I see that I took the knee too fast.

00:02:49.220 And you've got Elon standing up like these social media companies maybe are finding their spines.

00:02:55.160 And Kamala Harris has a long history of wanting to censor the Internet, people on the Internet who she finds objectionable,

00:03:03.380 even people who happen to be president of the United States.

00:03:07.720 Here she was back in October of 19 when Donald Trump was in the White House

00:03:14.080 and she was mad about his so-called perfect phone call that led to his first impeachment.

00:03:20.500 Listen to her.

00:03:20.980 I know you wrote to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey, and asked him to take away the president's Twitter handle, his account.

00:03:31.280 How is that not a violation of free speech?

00:03:35.140 How would that not just be a slippery slope where they have to ban, you know, half of the people on Twitter?

00:03:42.820 I've heard that argument, but here's the thing, Jake.

00:03:45.800 First of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is, does not have the, has obligations.

00:03:54.340 And in this case, Twitter has terms of use policy.

00:03:57.840 And their terms of use dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on that platform and who does not.

00:04:05.520 And Donald Trump has clearly violated the terms of use.

00:04:09.100 And there should be a consequence for that.

00:04:10.620 I mean, think about that, trying to get the president of the United States banned from expressing his views on one of the biggest public platforms we have,

00:04:20.920 because she thinks this is an outside person at that point, that he's violated the terms of use.

00:04:26.680 Well, Megan, when she ran for president, and it was about six seconds because her campaign was such a failure in 2019 for the Democratic nomination,

00:04:36.960 she made as one of her central planks a demand that Donald Trump be banned from the Internet.

00:04:41.120 I remember very well she was on a stage with people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren,

00:04:44.940 and she said, Senator Warren, I challenge you to support my argument that Donald Trump should be banned from the Internet.

00:04:52.140 And even Elizabeth Warren was like, I don't know, that seems kind of radical to ban the elected president of the United States.

00:05:00.080 And remember, they did ban him.

00:05:02.640 Twitter, Facebook, Google all got together after January 6th,

00:05:06.340 and they forcibly banned the sitting president of the United States to the point that even the Western European countries who hated Trump said,

00:05:14.200 this is alarming, this is scary, this should not be happening.

00:05:17.880 Much of the world reacted that way.

00:05:19.540 And I think it's sort of the thing where we're all inculcated from birth to believe that the United States is the home of freedom,

00:05:26.860 that one of the things that distinguishes us is free speech.

00:05:29.580 But if you start gradually eroding that one incident after the next after the next,

00:05:34.080 you can get very, very far to a sort of authoritarian or tyrannical situation without really realizing that you're there.

00:05:42.840 When you have people talking about banning, obviously, they wanted to put their political opponent in prison.

00:05:47.680 They wanted to ban him from the ballot.

00:05:50.260 But the first step was let's ban him from the Internet.

00:05:53.200 Remember, these are the people saying, if you don't vote for us, democracy will die.

00:05:56.920 And yet every single thing that is the hallmark of tyranny in other countries with their political opponents is everything they've been trying to do.

00:06:03.280 And in 2019, Kamala Harris led the way on that.

00:06:06.240 That was how she tried to distinguish her political campaign and gain support among Democrats. 0.99

00:06:11.960 Absolutely right.

00:06:13.080 And here's that moment that you just referenced from that debate back in 2019.

00:06:17.440 Watch.

00:06:18.280 Here we have Donald Trump, who has 65 million Twitter followers,

00:06:23.080 and is using that platform as the president of the United States to openly intimidate witnesses,

00:06:29.960 to threaten witnesses, to obstruct justice.

00:06:33.740 And he and his account should be taken down.

00:06:36.700 We saw in El Paso that that shooter in his manifesto was informed by how Donald Trump uses that platform.

00:06:44.820 And this is a matter of corporate responsibility.

00:06:47.360 Twitter should be held accountable and shut down that site.

00:06:50.100 It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability.

00:06:52.740 So, look, I don't just want to push Donald Trump off Twitter.

00:06:56.500 I want to push him out of the White House.

00:06:58.820 That's our job.

00:06:59.840 Join me in saying that his Twitter account should be shut down.

00:07:03.700 Let's figure out why it is that we have had laws on the book. 0.93

00:07:11.340 She's like, OK, crazy lady from California. 1.00

00:07:14.220 Even I'm not that nuts over here in Massachusetts. 0.98

00:07:18.500 Yeah.

00:07:19.360 You know, this is I mean, this is incredibly alarming.

00:07:22.400 If you look at pulling data, Megan, and you ask Americans, do you support either having big tech censor the Internet in the name of disinformation or the U.S.

00:07:32.440 government censor the Internet in the name of Internet in the name of disinformation?

00:07:36.120 Seventy five to 80 percent of Democrats want not just big tech, but the government to regulate and censor the Internet in the name of stopping disinformation, which is what George Orwell warned about.

00:07:48.740 The idea that the government becomes the minister of truth, no longer allows free debate because they say this is truth.

00:07:54.740 This is false.

00:07:55.580 That's the basis of Brazil.

00:07:56.840 Well, oh, Elon Musk is allowing opinions that are false and therefore that's fake news and illegal.

00:08:02.880 One of the things Zuckerberg said about covid was that so much of what he was being pressured by the U.S.

00:08:08.400 government, by the Biden administration to censor about covid not only was entirely debatable, meaning they wanted him to censor things like it came from a lab leak.

00:08:18.540 And he was saying, obviously, at the time, there was no proof on where the other people were debating it.

00:08:22.600 They wanted to take down anything that might have come from the lab leak.

00:08:25.700 But he said also they ended up since demand and we censor things that turned out to be true about the efficacy of masks, the dangers of vaccines, the absurdity of social distancing.

00:08:36.000 So there if it would be one thing if if the government were saying we only want to censor things that are demonstrably false, that would still be bad enough.

00:08:42.860 That's what we're warned about. But the censorship push is to censor things that are true or that are debatable.

00:08:50.080 They really do want an Internet that is dissent free, just like so much of their media is dissent free.

00:08:55.540 And what is more alarming than trying to turn the United States or any democracy into a system of closed information?

00:09:03.300 What's crazy is a couple of the points you just mentioned are in the news today and on my agenda to go over with you.

00:09:10.360 But that's why this story about, you know, kicking it off with what's happening with Brazil and X and then Kamala's position on censorship is so important.

00:09:18.680 It ties into so much of what's already happening in the United States.

00:09:23.240 So the Russia thing, right, like there's danger out there and therefore we must censor, whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop, which was censored wrongly or, you know, these evil forces who are trying to interfere with our election. 0.85

00:09:37.760 Just Monday, this is in the news this week, the DNC called the Democratic, well, the Green Party presidential nominee, a useful idiot for Russia, citing Jill Stein's upcoming event in Tampa, 0.90

00:09:55.320 in which she is expected to lend her support to three members of a black leftist group federally charged for allegedly acting as malign foreign agents of Putin's government. 0.89

00:10:05.920 The quoting here from the bulwark dart dot com.

00:10:08.840 So they almost they ignored this person for the better part of a year, Jill Stein. 0.99

00:10:13.320 But now that she's doing this thing, they're coming out calling her a useful idiot for Russia. 1.00

00:10:18.180 This is basically her own party. 1.00

00:10:19.720 And this is what they did to Tulsi Gabbard, too.

00:10:23.700 When she became a threat to their chosen nominee, she had to be dismissed as a Russian asset, not to mention what they did to Donald Trump. 0.72

00:10:33.520 This is their favorite trick.

00:10:35.760 And the Jill Stein thing and what we're about to talk about with respect to this CNN report, it's just this is their go to bag of tricks.

00:10:44.360 Glenn, that it's all the Russians, anybody who gets under their skin or potentially takes away one percent of the vote in a critical swing state is a Russian. 0.96

00:10:52.680 And any problems of the Democrats own making, that's a Russian as a disinformation campaign. 0.80

00:10:58.540 Yeah. So let me just mention really quickly this case of the black socialists who are being now federally prosecuted because I covered it a lot.

00:11:08.260 Tucker had put them on his show quite a bit as well.

00:11:11.040 Obviously, a lot of people's audiences would disagree with a lot of these people's views.

00:11:15.000 But these are like 70 and 80 year old guys who are like old standard leftists who are spent their whole life opposing what they call NATO imperialism, U.S. militarism.

00:11:27.000 And of course, it follows that they are against U.S. funding of the war in Ukraine that's consistent with their lifelong beliefs.

00:11:33.480 But because the tactic of the Democratic Party now is to accuse all of their enemies, not just on the right, but as you see with Jill Stein or anybody who threatens their power, they just accuse everybody of being an agent of the Kremlin.

00:11:46.020 They prosecuted these people because they were speaking out against the war in Ukraine and they had these very tenuous connections to a couple of peace activists in Russia.

00:11:56.000 And it's so obviously an attempt to stifle free speech by saying that even if you speak out against our war, which is as foundational to the United States as possible, your right to oppose a government's war policy, we can now prosecute you.

00:12:09.600 And it was AOC who led the charge against Jill Stein because they're obviously petrified.

00:12:14.360 She's going to take away Democratic votes. 1.00

00:12:16.640 And I've seen this now, Megan, for eight years.

00:12:19.180 Our country from 2016 until 2018 was drowned as the main story in this false allegation that Trump conspired with the Russians to hack into the DNC.

00:12:29.600 They unleashed Robert Mueller, Superman, prosecutor, FBI director with a team of unlimited resources and prosecutors.

00:12:37.880 And at the end of that investigation, he concluded there was no evidence to support the core central conspiracy theory that the media gave themselves Pulitzers for ratifying that the two had collaborated and the media just moved on as if nothing had ever happened.

00:12:53.720 And then in 2020, as you mentioned, the same thing, Megan, there is not one media outlet that in 2020 put people on the air to say the Hunter Biden laptop is fake.

00:13:03.320 It's Russian disinformation.

00:13:05.040 Every media outlet, once Biden was safely elected, not only admitted it was real, but began using it in their reporting.

00:13:11.580 The FBI used it to prosecute Hunter Biden.

00:13:14.280 Everyone knows it's real.

00:13:15.640 Not one media outlet came forward and said, we got this wrong.

00:13:19.400 Here's why we got this wrong, because they're not in the business of telling truth.

00:13:23.660 They will say what they need to say based on whatever their DNC or CIA or FBI sources are telling them to say in order to sabotage Trump.

00:13:32.360 And that is the truth.

00:13:34.000 Even those 51 so-called intelligence agents, it's like the FBI agents took the stand and under oath in the Hunter Biden trial, testified that the laptop had been verified.

00:13:47.000 Where was Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes?

00:13:50.120 It can't be verified.

00:13:51.340 It can't be verified.

00:13:52.760 Where was she saying, I am very sorry.

00:13:55.640 Actually, I was wrong.

00:13:56.980 And I was wrong at a crucial time in advance of that election.

00:13:59.900 She's in the same bunker that Judy Woodruff of PBS is in right now, trying to avoid coverage of the fact that they got caught, I'll be charitable,

00:14:10.800 making massively consequential mistakes on the air and failing to own up to them.

00:14:17.140 So just to put some meat on the bones of the DNC versus Jill Stein attack, because Stein, while nobody's talking about her,

00:14:25.360 she does have something approaching 1% in a couple of these swing states. 0.99

00:14:30.640 And the Democrats fervently believe that she played a role in costing Hillary the election in 2016.

00:14:36.900 So the DNC releases this statement that reads it in part, quote, as follows. 1.00

00:14:42.580 Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. 1.00

00:14:45.420 After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016, she's at it again. 1.00

00:14:51.540 This is from the DNC spokesman, Matt Corradone.

00:14:54.340 Quote, Jill Stein, in a statement to the Bulwark, Jill Stein won't become president, but her spoiler candidacy that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in can help decide who wins. 0.79

00:15:07.640 A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.

00:15:10.220 So this is them going, I mean, truly balls to the wall against this woman, the DNC, because they will kill any Democrat actor who deigns to get in the way of their chosen nominee's clear path.

00:15:26.000 Ask Bernie Sanders, ask Dean Phillips, ask Tulsi Gabbard, ask RFKJ, and ask Jill Stein.

00:15:37.960 This is the party of democracy, Glenn.

00:15:42.700 I think one of the things that reflects about the Democratic Party is that they have this arrogant entitlement that they believe all of these voters are theirs.

00:15:51.300 They also still blame Ralph Nader for George W. Bush's victory in 2000 over Al Gore.

00:15:57.280 And all these voters for Nader and Stein will tell you until they're blue in the face that even if Jill Stein or Ralph Nader weren't running, I still wouldn't vote for the Democratic Party.

00:16:08.760 I know it's a newsflash, but there are a lot of people in the United States who really don't believe in our two-party system.

00:16:13.800 Most democracies have a multi-party system, and Jill Stein is an outlet for a lot of people on the left who think that the Democratic Party is not worth voting for for all sorts of reasons.

00:16:23.920 And they think if they get rid of Jill Stein, those people will loyally march behind them.

00:16:28.500 And also, I think the other important thing to realize here, Megan, is that in 2016, the DNC cheated to make sure that Hillary beat Bernie.

00:16:37.540 That came from Elizabeth Warren in Donna Brazile.

00:16:39.600 This is hardly speculation or a conspiracy theory.

00:16:43.980 Yeah, I mean, the WikiLeaks releases prove that the top five DNC officials, including W. Wasserman Schultz, had to resign right before the DNC because they got caught red-handed doing it.

00:16:54.120 In 2020, Obama drove everybody out of the race, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, to make sure Joe Biden won.

00:17:00.460 And then this year, not only did they say that they would not allow a primary or any debates, even though you had RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson and Dean Phillips wanting to run against Joe Biden, once they saw that Joe Biden was going to lose because of the polls after the debate, they said in a back room, let's just get rid of him.

00:17:18.040 And impose on the party in the country, a candidate who never once campaigned to be president, who never got one single vote, the anti-democratic entitled mentality in the Democratic Party is impossible to oversee.

00:17:31.360 Yes, we just pulled, I don't have the soundbite, but what they did to Tulsi.

00:17:39.020 And here's the quote.

00:17:41.080 I don't know what article I'm quoting from.

00:17:42.680 My team will tell me in a second.

00:17:44.120 Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said the Russians are currently grooming, that's a quote, a Democrat running in the presidential primaries.

00:17:52.860 This is the 2020 primary back in 19 is grooming.

00:17:57.220 The Russians are grooming a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a third party candidate and champion their interests.

00:18:03.240 The comment appears to be directed at Hawaii representative Tulsi Gabbard.

00:18:07.360 She's been accused of being cozy with Russia in the past.

00:18:11.600 Just being accused reference warrants it being raised again.

00:18:15.460 Right.

00:18:16.140 You remember that time you were accused, random person, of being a pedophile and will just keep raising it in every article about you as though it was actually proven.

00:18:24.800 I'm not making any predictions.

00:18:26.380 This is quoting Hillary Clinton.

00:18:28.100 But I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate.

00:18:37.760 Clinton said, speaking on a podcast with former Obama advisor David Plouffe.

00:18:42.880 She's the favorite of the Russians.

00:18:44.980 This is how it's done.

00:18:47.900 Now, first of all, let's just recall that that prediction was completely false.

00:18:52.420 Not only didn't Tulsi run as a third party, she endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

00:18:57.520 Kind of a weird thing to do if you're a Russian asset.

00:19:00.160 But beyond that, you know, I know Tulsi reasonably well.

00:19:02.720 Look at it from her perspective, Megan.

00:19:04.520 She has been in the military since 2002.

00:19:07.580 She deployed in combat in Iraq.

00:19:09.620 She continues to be in the Army Reserves, sacrificing to defend her country.

00:19:14.020 And here she is being accused by the Clintons, who famously avoided any military service, including in Vietnam, for all sorts of strange reasons, who never once did anything to benefit anyone but themselves, questioning her patriotism and her loyalty simply because she was a critic of the Democratic Party.

00:19:32.520 This is what they do now.

00:20:02.500 Or was the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, Tulsi Gabbard, that the minute you criticize them or don't fall into line, it means not just that you're a bad person, but that you're actually disloyal and somebody who can be called with no evidence a foreign agent of an adversarial power.

00:20:19.140 It is remarkable how quickly and pervasively this tactic has spread, not just among the party, but among all their media allies as well.

00:20:27.620 Okay, there was another piece of information on Tulsi just recently.

00:20:34.580 This is reading from the Daily Mail.

00:20:36.460 It was that she's on a government watch list and connection with all this nonsense. 0.98

00:20:44.100 She's been labeled a, quote, domestic terrorist, according to a whistleblower watchdog who's demanded an investigation into government surveillance on this.

00:20:54.740 Okay, Empower Oversight said the U.S. Federal Marshal Service was improperly targeting individuals for enhanced surveillance on flights and named victims, including the former presidential candidate.

00:21:06.160 And so this is the allegation is that she has been placed under surveillance at airports and on planes per these whistleblowers who spoke to, this is Daily Mail UK, the Air Marshal National Council, saying her name appears on the Quiet Skies program.

00:21:25.440 Under the program, federal air marshals follow U.S. Citizens who pose an elevated risk to aviation security through airports and on flights.

00:21:35.980 As a result, there are at least five agents stalking her on every flight she takes.

00:21:41.620 This is incredible.

00:21:42.700 This has not been independently verified by us, but I remembered the report as we got talking about Tulsi. 0.99

00:21:48.100 And frankly, it's not hard to believe, given the amount of crap they've thrown at this woman.

00:21:57.440 When you see somebody saying they are one, when you know they're not one, they didn't do all the sacrifice from the family and the personal time. 0.96

00:22:06.740 How does it make you feel?

00:22:07.740 Well, it burns the Command Sergeant Major Corps, the E9 Corps, across all of the military, I think.

00:22:13.080 It'd be like, I reckoned it to the same as a person that's like in a training to be a doctor.

00:22:19.740 And they frock him.

00:22:20.900 He can wear a doctor, whatever, badge in the hospital and go through the halls and act like he's a doctor, but he's still in training.

00:22:28.500 And then all of a sudden, he decides he drops out of the school because it's too much work.

00:22:33.980 I don't want to do it anymore.

00:22:34.820 But then he still walks through the halls and says he's a doctor.

00:22:37.680 I mean, if a civilian saw that, he'd get thrown in jail.

00:22:42.040 And, you know, this guy, he's a military impersonator with that.

00:22:44.940 It's like, I'm using, you know, like you said, he's a retired Command Sergeant Major.

00:22:48.660 He's said it so many times that it just makes a person sick here.

00:22:53.300 Yeah, the state of Minnesota said that he can say he's, you know, he served as a Command Sergeant Major, which he's never said, I served as a Command Sergeant Major.

00:23:02.360 He blabbed that he was a retired one.

00:23:04.780 And that's where, you know, this originally came out with me, like in 2015 and 16, because we had a Veterans Memorial that was getting dedicated.

00:23:12.660 And he came down as the congressman, spoke to the small town.

00:23:15.820 And it was just, I am retired.

00:23:17.200 You know, you've seen all the videos.

00:23:18.800 He said it six times, six, seven times.

00:23:21.340 It was in the paper.

00:23:22.060 And a neighbor that sang National Anthem, he says, God, I got to meet another Command Sergeant Major.

00:23:27.380 He said, that's two of them I've met.

00:23:29.360 And I was like, he's not a retired Command Sergeant Major.

00:23:31.660 I said, he didn't do the school.

00:23:33.480 I went through the same things Paul said.

00:23:35.140 I said, the guy looked at me, he goes, we don't know that.

00:23:39.380 This needs to get out.

00:23:40.380 And I said, well, I figured somebody above me, whether, you know, whether at state level or, you know, somebody would have corrected him and told him, you know, cease and desist from what you're doing.

00:23:50.000 You're lying, you're doing it for political gain.

00:23:52.500 It's making you look better than you are.

00:23:54.680 You're wearing a 12-point rack on your head, but you've got Bambi's body, basically, is what you're doing. 0.98

00:24:00.820 You're not that.

00:24:02.400 Here's back to your friend, Adam Smith.

00:24:04.980 And by the way, I mean, this guy's the ranking member, meaning the most senior member there is on the Democrat side, because they're not the party in power in the House right now.

00:24:11.980 So he's the ranking member on the Armed Services Committee, speaking to this issue of Walls calling himself a retired command sergeant major.

00:24:21.680 Here, watch it.

00:24:22.440 He was promoted to be a command sergeant major.

00:24:26.940 So at one point, he served in that rank.

00:24:29.160 Now, the way it works, which is not something that people who aren't familiar with the military would be aware of, you have to do a little bit more to be able to retire at that rank.

00:24:39.060 OK, so it is not wrong to say that Tim Walls was a command sergeant major.

00:24:43.920 He was.

00:24:44.560 It is wrong to say that he retired at that rank.

00:24:48.800 And that came out a couple of times, and they corrected it.

00:24:52.380 OK, and you can see where, OK, he's both retired and he was a command sergeant major, but he is not a retired command sergeant major.

00:25:02.380 That is true.

00:25:03.840 And I think that is a very innocent mistake.

00:25:06.020 You just have to do it.

00:25:08.720 You're laughing.

00:25:09.620 A little bit.

00:25:10.180 Why are you laughing?

00:25:12.040 Yeah.

00:25:12.820 Yeah.

00:25:13.180 Paul's not laughing.

00:25:15.620 He's going to have to touch my hand.

00:25:17.520 Yeah, you're OK.

00:25:18.900 Calm down.

00:25:20.060 No, but, you know, that's the thing right there.

00:25:21.800 OK, that's just an innocent little mistake in there that he did whatever.

00:25:24.780 I wrote this letter to Tim Walls back in 16.

00:25:28.000 And I said, you know, thank you for your service.

00:25:31.020 Thanks for what you've done for veterans.

00:25:33.020 You know, thank you for your 24 years.

00:25:35.020 But I said, you know, you were down here and you were saying you're a retired command sergeant major.

00:25:38.520 You're not.

00:25:39.440 And I had the state command sergeant major personnel officer tell me that he can only say he's a retired master sergeant.

00:25:46.460 I mean, it's all out there everywhere.

00:25:48.560 He was officially demoted, just so people know.

00:25:50.680 It's in paperwork.

00:25:51.740 You can look it up.

00:25:52.440 He was demoted.

00:25:53.060 Like, he tried to retire as a command sergeant major, and they caught him and said, no, that's not what you were.

00:25:58.800 So, man, I sent this letter to him.

00:26:01.100 You know, it was like soldier to soldier.

00:26:03.000 I was like, you know, give him a chance to just come clean.

00:26:05.900 Fix it.

00:26:06.480 Yeah.

00:26:07.720 Even Van Jones, I think is the guy's name on CNN, said, you know, just come out and have a news conference and come clean so we can get over this.

00:26:14.920 Whatever.

00:26:15.340 Hell, he'll never do it.

00:26:16.400 He never did it back then.

00:26:18.140 He could have easily done it.

00:26:19.380 He could have said, yeah, I guess I screwed up.

00:26:21.360 I didn't know I was that.

00:26:22.360 And I think it would have went on water under the bridge.

00:26:24.980 That's what Colonel Cole had to say.

00:26:26.580 Well, I sent the letter to the Armed Services Committee then, after I never heard nothing back from Jim Walz, and the Ag Committee, and everyone he was on.

00:26:35.120 It was like, you know, this guy is lying about his rank.

00:26:37.680 Nobody responded.

00:26:38.900 He still hasn't responded, which is why we're here together.

00:26:41.460 Exactly.

00:26:42.140 I mean, it's like, well, he never will.

00:26:44.080 He'll have a spokesperson say he misspoke.

00:26:46.200 Well, so here's what he has said.

00:26:49.360 All right.

00:26:49.500 We're going to play some of his sound here, where he didn't really address it.

00:26:55.680 But after this all hit, he got out there and did a couple of announcements at various rallies, and we'll take a look at one of them.

00:27:02.860 This is Sot 6 in his rally right after the vice presidential announcement.

00:27:07.380 My dad served in the Army during the Korean War.

00:27:10.340 With his encouragement, at 17, I joined the Army National Guard.

00:27:20.700 For 24 years, I proudly wore the uniform of this nation.

00:27:24.780 The National Guard gave me purpose.

00:27:34.640 It gave me the strength of a shared commitment to something greater than ourselves.

00:27:40.200 And just as it did for my dad and millions of others, the GI Bill gave me a shot at a college education.

00:27:46.860 That was before all the controversy hit.

00:27:49.520 He knew you guys were out there.

00:27:50.980 But that's how he tried to spin it in his first appearance.

00:27:53.220 Like, hey, here I am, National Guardsman, in response to which you felt what?

00:28:00.160 Just, he's, what, he's.

00:28:02.640 Grab his leg.

00:28:04.180 What does grabbing the leg do?

00:28:05.460 What do you call him, dog?

00:28:07.140 He just said that it was the biggest commitment and his exact words.

00:28:20.920 I can't, it was bigger than himself, right?

00:28:23.740 Right.

00:28:24.100 Bigger than himself.

00:28:25.220 And I'm like, no, it wasn't.

00:28:27.580 He is, he is the pinnacle of everything, right?

00:28:31.980 Everything he does and says. 0.98

00:28:33.640 A couple of years ago, I did an interview, and in that, I said he's a habitual liar. 0.92

00:28:39.060 He lies about everything. 0.85

00:28:40.420 He lies about stuff that doesn't make sense.

00:28:42.840 And, you know, and again, here we got the Chamber of Commerce coming out.

00:28:47.980 Yeah, you were in the Nebraska National Guard.

00:28:51.420 You came to the Minnesota National Guard.

00:28:54.120 Why?

00:28:54.800 I don't know.

00:28:56.060 Let's talk about, oh, he says all these things.

00:28:59.540 Like, I was a football coach.

00:29:02.920 You were an assistant coach, and you were fired because of a DUI that you lied about

00:29:07.780 being deaf on, okay, to try and get out of whatever you were trying to get out of there. 0.57

00:29:13.820 I mean, it's just one habitual lie after another, and they keep piling up.

00:29:20.260 And eventually, you can't, there's not enough blankets to cover it up.

00:29:23.960 You heard Adam Smith suggest, there's a couple of times, you know, a couple times he mistakenly

00:29:29.080 said he was a retired command sergeant major.

00:29:31.300 We put together just our own list that we could put, that we could find of him saying

00:29:36.680 that he was a retired command sergeant major.

00:29:39.100 It's not just a couple of times.

00:29:40.620 Here's, here's more than that.

00:29:42.060 It's not one.

00:29:42.560 I'm a retired command sergeant major.

00:29:44.740 This is Congressman Tim Walsey's retired command sergeant major in the Army artillery.

00:29:49.100 As a 24-year veteran of the Army National Guard and a retired command sergeant major.

00:29:53.720 I am a retired command sergeant major in the Minnesota National Guard.

00:29:56.940 I have a unique privilege in Congress is that by being elected from this district and being

00:30:04.500 a retired command sergeant major, I am the highest ranking enlisted soldier to ever serve in Congress.

00:30:09.760 As a 24-year veteran of the National Guard and the Red Bull Division and a retired command sergeant major.

00:30:16.600 Congressman Tim Walts, also a member of the Armed Service Committee and Veterans Affairs,

00:30:20.260 Democrat of Minnesota, highest ranking enlisted soldier ever to serve in Congress,

00:30:25.200 enlisted in the Army National Guard at 17 and retired 24 years later as command sergeant major

00:30:30.700 and served with his battalion at Operating Enduring Freedom.

00:30:34.220 Retired out as command sergeant major.

00:30:36.360 So when you first came to Washington, you were a retired command sergeant major in the Army National Guard.

00:30:41.600 Oh yeah.

00:30:42.300 He misspoke a lot.

00:30:43.540 He misspoke a lot.

00:30:44.980 A lot.

00:30:45.700 And by the way, just so the record's clear, September 2005, Minnesota National Guard discovered

00:30:50.520 that his paperwork was erroneous, saying he was retiring as a command sergeant major,

00:30:57.380 and they updated it to show that he retired as an E-8 master sergeant, September 2005.

00:31:03.320 Correct.

00:31:03.980 So every single thing we just showed you was after September 2005.

00:31:08.260 Sure.

00:31:08.780 He knew that he had been demoted, and he continued to say it over and over.

00:31:13.300 And then there were some vets who went to his office in 2009 to say, stop saying that and

00:31:20.660 stop saying what you heard somebody else say in there, which he has also said with his

00:31:25.240 sign, that you are a veteran of Operation Enduring Freedom, which is saying, if you were

00:31:33.680 a vet of Operation Enduring Freedom, what are you saying?

00:31:36.940 What did you do?

00:31:37.480 I was in Bosnia.

00:31:42.140 He doesn't have an expeditionary medal.

00:31:45.880 Anybody that would have at least had an expeditionary medal, he has not.

00:31:52.880 He was not awarded that.

00:31:55.220 The general public thinks if you say Operation Enduring Freedom that you went to Afghanistan.

00:31:59.460 Yeah.

00:31:59.700 That's literally what the civilians say.

00:32:01.860 That's what I thought.

00:32:02.920 I mean, if I say Operation Iraqi Freedom, you pretty much know what it is.

00:32:06.340 Operation Enduring Freedom covers Afghanistan.

00:32:09.420 And he threw that spin on his thing all the time, too.

00:32:12.400 He's accepted both.

00:32:13.560 Both have been said about him in introductions, that he served in Iraqi freedom and enduring

00:32:17.740 freedom, and he hasn't corrected.

00:32:19.480 He's allowed it to stand.

00:32:20.400 Well, exactly.

00:32:21.040 And that's the sad part about the lies that he spends, is that he's out there.

00:32:24.700 He allows things to get said that are lies.

00:32:27.400 I mean, there was campaign publications sent to me.

00:32:29.620 I'm in the first district there.

00:32:31.200 I'd get him in the mail, and I'd look at it, and I'd just be like, you've got to be kidding

00:32:34.340 me.

00:32:34.620 I mean, can the guy just have some loyalty and some integrity and do the right thing

00:32:39.880 when nobody's looking?

00:32:40.680 I mean, that's the thing that I've always...

00:32:42.440 You know, integrity is being on a deserted island as a soldier and shaving your face with

00:32:46.780 a seashell if you've got one, so that if you get rescued, you look like a soldier.

00:32:51.700 I mean, that's doing the right thing when nobody's watching.

00:32:54.460 And he does the wrong thing when everybody's watching, trying to get away with it and putting

00:32:59.000 a spin on it so we can get another vote and hopefully get in the next level of office.

00:33:02.820 And that's what's just sad about this situation.

00:33:05.740 And you know, the whole point of us coming forward is, it's not just, it's everything together.

00:33:16.680 It's not just that he misspoke about being a command sergeant major.

00:33:21.300 It's not just that he lied directly to my face and other sergeant majors and officers' faces

00:33:28.560 about his commitment to going to war with his unit.

00:33:34.280 And also the confidence that that brings to soldiers that are going to be in the trenches

00:33:40.720 with you.

00:33:42.280 It's not just, it's everything.

00:33:46.220 It's about him.

00:33:46.880 Weapons in war.

00:33:47.720 Yeah, we're going to make sure that the weapons that I carried in war don't fall into the hands

00:33:53.540 of civilians or whatever.

00:33:55.060 And I'm like, you never were in war.

00:33:59.240 Hope woke up like many of you did five weeks ago and said, Dad, you're the only person I

00:34:03.140 know who's in elected office.

00:34:04.260 You need to stop what's happening with this. 1.00

00:34:05.980 I'll take my kick in the butt for the NRA. 0.99

00:34:07.820 I spent 25 years in the Army and I hunt. 0.99

00:34:10.000 And I gave the money back.

00:34:11.460 And I'll tell you what I have been doing.

00:34:12.700 I've been voting for common sense legislation that protects the Second Amendment.

00:34:15.840 But we can do background checks.

00:34:17.020 We can do CDC research.

00:34:18.280 We can make sure we don't have reciprocal carry among states.

00:34:21.260 And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place

00:34:24.920 where those weapons were.

00:34:28.400 And he says things to Gold Star families that lets them allude. 1.00

00:34:34.440 Like when I came back, they told us to watch the horse whisperer and move on.

00:34:39.440 And I go, yeah, because you were in Italy.

00:34:42.080 OK, no offense to anybody that was in Italy.

00:34:44.400 But when you're sucking down a latte and people are getting shot at, there's a big difference.

00:34:49.000 OK.

00:34:49.560 And everybody has a role to play.

00:34:52.180 Don't get me wrong.

00:34:53.240 Everybody has a role to play.

00:34:54.640 But the point is, is that take honest accountability for the role that you play.

00:34:59.700 But most guys who did not actually serve in Afghanistan or Iraq would never say they served in Afghanistan or Iraq.

00:35:07.180 No, I don't know anybody that's done it myself, just on the civilian side, let alone somebody running for an office at all.

00:35:15.460 And absolutely not at national level.

00:35:17.720 This is just unbelievable that somebody can have that lie spun and still be doing it.

00:35:24.240 I mean, it comes out that he has a coin that has the CSMI on it that he gave out to Congress or people.

00:35:30.460 That he misspoke there.

00:35:31.860 He was saying retired command sergeant major on the Harris Wall's website.

00:35:35.900 Right.

00:35:36.240 She had to pull that.

00:35:37.320 He's still saying, the Minnesota governor's office is still saying it.

00:35:39.880 Right.

00:35:40.120 I mean, he's held on to this, even though, you know, people like Adam Smith suggest, oh, it was a mistake and he didn't.

00:35:46.820 It's been brought to his attention for every year he's been doing it.

00:35:50.280 And he continues to do it.

00:35:51.500 It must mean something to him.

00:35:52.700 I do want to tell you, we interviewed the cast of the movie Reagan, which is hitting this weekend.

00:35:58.160 And one of the cast members is Dan Loria.

00:36:00.980 He played the dad in Wonder Years.

00:36:02.620 And in this movie, he played Democrat Tip O'Neill, who was friends with Reagan, even though they were across party lines.

00:36:07.960 And the real guy, Dan Loria, served in Vietnam.

00:36:11.640 He was in the Marines.

00:36:13.020 But he was quick when I said that to point out, and he's always quick to tell you, he didn't actually fight in Vietnam.

00:36:19.460 He was stationed over there.

00:36:20.480 He got sent over there and then they got pushed to Okinawa.

00:36:22.960 And then there were all sorts of reasons.

00:36:24.360 But he wants people to know that.

00:36:26.580 Exactly.

00:36:27.340 And that seems to me the default.

00:36:28.700 Most guys are trying to make sure if you ever overstate what they actually did, they correct you.

00:36:34.600 People understand it's not just, we don't want to overstate our importance or the commitment that we made to the country or the things that we did for the country and ourselves and our families.

00:36:50.140 But for what I don't understand this, when you say that you served in a function, that you didn't, if you served in combat, let's just go there.

00:37:05.140 I served in combat here or I did this there.

00:37:07.980 You are robbing, you are robbing that suffering and that commitment and trifling it down for all the men and women that we have sent in harm's way and have not come back or have come back less than the people that have their tortured memories.

00:37:25.840 Okay.

00:37:26.140 And everybody that did that commitment, you belittle it.

00:37:29.820 You're taking a piece of their thunder and you're trying to capture it and putting it in a bottle for yourself and use that for your own benefit.

00:37:36.200 That's why, like I told these guys, he is a self-licking ice cream cone.

00:37:40.120 If anything he says can come back to him, he will do it in a heartbeat.

00:37:47.860 Let's start with Liz Cheney. 1.00

00:37:49.560 Tom, I bet Team Trump is quaking in its boots.

00:37:54.280 This is the ultimate, you know, dog bites man story.

00:37:58.760 Like, what is the news here really, right?

00:38:01.280 We know Liz Cheney is not a fan of Donald Trump.

00:38:05.080 That's obvious.

00:38:06.200 And so the idea was, I mean, she made this big announcement that she'd thought deeply about this and she was going to go ahead and vote for Kamala.

00:38:13.100 I mean, I just don't know what the, obviously it gets play in the media and on MSNBC because it's bad news for Trump or it's, you know, it's a bad headline for Trump or whatever.

00:38:22.660 But to your point, Megan, like, who's this going to convince how this is, this is really not much of a story at all, in my opinion.

00:38:30.700 And yet people are excited about it.

00:38:33.100 I don't know.

00:38:33.600 Here she is.

00:38:34.280 Here's Liz Cheney explaining her reasoning.

00:38:36.440 Sot 10.

00:38:36.920 I think it is crucially important for people to recognize not only is what I just said about the danger that Trump poses something that should prevent people from voting for him.

00:38:55.340 But I don't believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates' names, particularly in swing states.

00:39:05.400 And as a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the Constitution, I have thought deeply about this.

00:39:12.220 And because of the danger that Donald Trump poses, not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but I will be voting for Kamala Harris.

00:39:24.380 All right.

00:39:24.980 And yet, Carl, you've got tweets all over the Internet, including this one from August 2020, where Liz Cheney wrote,

00:39:31.040 Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns and health insurance and explode the size and power of the federal government. 1.00

00:39:37.200 She wants to recreate America in the image of what's happening on the streets of Portland and Seattle.

00:39:42.220 We won't give her the chance.

00:39:43.980 So which which Constitution is governing right now in Liz Cheney's mind? 0.99

00:39:48.900 Well, Megan, I understand why some of these establishment Republicans dislike Trump.

00:39:53.880 They, you know, people like, you know, you know, the names Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney and other people.

00:39:59.480 Some people, some of them are my friends.

00:40:01.320 You know, Donald, it was like a hostile takeover of their party in their minds.

00:40:04.580 So the way some of them talk about Trump is angrier than the Democrats.

00:40:10.500 I understand that.

00:40:12.220 But so then you think, are they some of them want Trump to lose so that they can reconstitute, you know, bring back what they would call the norms or whatever, you know, bring back the old coalition.

00:40:23.180 Maybe and but she didn't say that.

00:40:26.940 What she said was that Donald Trump is a threat to the Constitution, you know, that this will be the last election we ever have.

00:40:32.640 These, you know, these ideas about that Donald Trump is an authoritarian, that the democracy is actually on the ballot.

00:40:40.660 But there's no evidence for that.

00:40:43.120 And the Democrats ran on that in 2020 in the midterms and it helped them.

00:40:47.920 They're running on it again.

00:40:49.080 I I don't I don't understand why people believe that.

00:40:52.260 But that's what Liz Cheney said.

00:40:54.740 And so, you know, once you get to that point, I guess then you think, gee, Connell Harris would be a terrible president and the Democrats are their policies are awful.

00:41:02.520 But I'm doing this to save my country.

00:41:04.580 I think they've convinced themselves of this.

00:41:06.260 I just don't think that this is going to have influence over a single American.

00:41:11.020 Absolutely not one.

00:41:12.580 Not one.

00:41:13.380 All the people who are going to vote for Kamala will say, great, Liz Cheney is on board. 0.93

00:41:17.060 And all the people who are going to vote for Trump will say, who cares?

00:41:19.200 We know Liz Cheney hates Trump. 0.89

00:41:20.480 And the undecided four people who live in these swing states will say, who?

00:41:24.720 What?

00:41:25.060 I don't.

00:41:25.520 OK.

00:41:26.180 And they're going to move on.

00:41:27.600 Like Mike Pence is not supporting Trump.

00:41:30.920 That didn't seem to have some massive impact.

00:41:32.960 I don't know why Liz Cheney would. 0.70

00:41:34.580 Um, but let's talk about the biggest news that's coming in the next week or so.

00:41:40.100 And that's the debate.

00:41:41.540 Apparently, Andrew, there will be mics turned off during the other person's turn.

00:41:49.000 So while Trump is speaking, her mic will be off.

00:41:51.840 While she is speaking, Trump's mic will be turned off.

00:41:54.060 This was the subject of debate for weeks.

00:41:57.360 And the reports are that her team is very disappointed about this because she was looking to have what they're calling a, um, a Brett Kavanaugh moment with her where she, she got up in Brett Kavanaugh's face during the confirmation hearing.

00:42:14.460 So how big an impact, if any, will this have on our experience of this debate on Tuesday night?

00:42:20.680 Well, I guess marginally, uh, people are saying it's a victory for Trump.

00:42:24.900 I don't think it makes any difference at all.

00:42:26.700 Uh, I think they were going to debate no matter what.

00:42:29.860 They both need the debate.

00:42:31.760 Um, Trump has been practicing and practicing for this.

00:42:35.420 Uh, every time he goes out and speaks to someone on a podcast or a town hall or, uh, with a press conference, he's practicing.

00:42:44.400 So I think he's ready for the debate.

00:42:46.340 The big question is, is she ready?

00:42:48.360 Um, there'll be no notes, uh, that you can bring.

00:42:51.360 It's a standup debate, I believe still.

00:42:53.640 So it will be all the rules that applied during Joe Biden's debate.

00:42:58.620 And we saw how that ended up for Joe Biden.

00:43:00.620 So, um, if, if, if, if I had to bet, I think he probably will have a good night and, uh, she's going to be, the bar's pretty high for her because she has not been doing any press.

00:43:11.660 Talk to anybody been challenged in any way other than that CNN interview.

00:43:17.160 Um, so we'll see what happens, but every, you know, the stakes are pretty high, I guess.

00:43:22.660 Yeah.

00:43:23.260 Well, in the meantime, NBC news reporting earlier this week that this is how she's preparing that she's being coached to avoid being pulled into Trump's personal attacks by remaining calm.

00:43:33.300 She and her team are focusing on how to needle Trump and rattle him.

00:43:37.660 In that sense, the source said it's going to be less about substance and more about showcasing Harris as a woman who is not scared.

00:43:47.760 Okay.

00:43:48.040 So that's what we're looking for in a president.

00:43:49.820 Now, a woman, she's a woman. 0.99

00:43:51.680 So check who is not scared of Donald Trump.

00:43:55.300 That will earn you the presidency in the eyes of her team, Tom Bevan.

00:43:59.880 But the plan to rattle and needle Trump is a good one, and we'll see whether they're able to do it.

00:44:08.020 That was what they did throughout the DNC, making fun of him not being a billionaire, his money, the criminal cases against him.

00:44:16.940 And he held his fire.

00:44:18.700 He did not start spouting off on Truth Social in the middle of the night, face to face across from her.

00:44:25.120 Can he do it?

00:44:25.800 Yeah, we'll find out.

00:44:28.360 I mean, look, the reason she wanted these mics on is she wanted to pull that same shtick that she did with Mike Pence in 2020. 0.99

00:44:34.340 You know, excuse me, excuse me, I'm speaking, stop speaking over me, sort of, you know, that whole thing.

00:44:40.660 Totally.

00:44:41.000 And there was a report by, I think, CNN, who had a source, the ABC News, saying that the campaign, Kamala Harris's campaign, had gotten assurances from ABC that if there was some crosstalk, that the mics would be turned on and that the moderators would help inform the public about what was being said.

00:45:01.480 So, you know, that was sort of a curious report.

00:45:04.900 I'll be interested to see when this actually goes down, whether those mics are fully turned off the entire time or whether they, you know, they might be left on on occasion or how they handle the crosstalk between these two candidates.

00:45:17.700 But you're certainly right that, you know, she's going to try and get in his head and say some things and, you know, try and get him to overreact and then, you know, play, perhaps play the victim or whatever the situation is going to be.

00:45:32.360 And Trump has to be aware of that and has to basically not fall for it.

00:45:36.560 And we'll see whether he's able to do that or not.

00:45:38.480 You never know.

00:45:39.040 I suppose it'll depend on the, you know, the mood he's in on the night of the debate.

00:45:43.100 He's had far more experience with adversarial media than she is, which is to his advantage, Carl.

00:45:50.440 Well, yeah.

00:45:51.100 And you've reminded me of something.

00:45:53.060 The first person who showed on a presidential debate staff, the debate stage, that they could be simultaneously a woman and unafraid of Donald Trump was Megyn Kelly.

00:46:06.320 Doesn't qualify me for president.

00:46:08.480 I think it does.

00:46:09.540 And in terms, in terms of that microphone, I'll take you guys back when a couple elections even earlier, Al Gore is debating George Bush and there and Al Gore, Bush is talking and Gore was sighing so loudly into the microphone.

00:46:26.640 Those of us who were in the hall there couldn't hear Bush.

00:46:29.340 And I was sitting next to Frank Bruni of the New York Times.

00:46:32.280 I said, Frank, is the air conditioning broken?

00:46:34.440 What's going on?

00:46:35.360 And he turned to me and said, I think that's Gore.

00:46:38.360 And on TV, it wasn't as bad.

00:46:41.360 But the next day, Barbara Bush and then Gore stalked across the stage at Bush. 1.00

00:46:47.500 And Bush kind of smirked at him like he was, you know, bring it on, boy.

00:46:51.300 And the next day, Barbara Bush was clutching her pearls on one of the morning shows.

00:46:55.340 And she said, I thought he was going to hit George.

00:46:58.660 And, you know, so some of these histrionics, these subtle movements, you know, when Bush's father looked at his watch during debate, they can matter.

00:47:07.360 And so I, you know, so I think the mics turned, I guess I kind of prefer him just to be on all the time.

00:47:13.640 You guys remember when-

00:47:14.620 Remember that moment in the New York, in the New York state Senate race?

00:47:17.720 New York Senate race?

00:47:18.560 Go ahead, Tom.

00:47:18.940 No, Rick Lazio marched across the stage with a piece of paper and sort of waved it in Hillary Clinton's face.

00:47:25.280 But that's what Gore did.

00:47:26.460 Backfired on him.

00:47:27.160 Gore did that two weeks after.

00:47:28.600 You thought he would have been warned.

00:47:31.280 Yeah.

00:47:31.840 He just figured because he was up against a male opponent, he could get away with that.

00:47:34.780 But certainly that male-female dynamic will play. 1.00

00:47:37.560 And given the gender divide in this election, Trump does have to be careful.

00:47:42.780 Like he can't do anything too aggressive.

00:47:44.640 Even though she'll be aggressive against him, she's called him a predator.

00:47:47.200 She's gotten as aggressive rhetorically as you can. 0.96

00:47:50.800 There's just a dynamic.

00:47:52.120 I'm sorry.

00:47:52.700 It's there.

00:47:53.320 He would be completely reckless to get in her face physically in any way.

00:47:59.860 And I don't think he'll do that.

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00:48:59.240 Your matter-of-fact responses to people saying the most outrageous things and your slow-boil

00:49:12.100 provocateur approach to these people.

00:49:16.180 It was true genius.

00:49:17.380 So congrats.

00:49:19.460 Well, that's great to hear.

00:49:20.900 I really appreciate it.

00:49:22.420 And slow-boil provocateur is probably a good way of describing it, actually.

00:49:26.480 That's a great description of the approach we take in a number of the scenes in the film.

00:49:32.060 I mean, I wondered whether you were getting worried at all about somebody blowing their

00:49:37.160 top because you were very respectful.

00:49:41.340 You weren't in people's faces, but you would keep asking questions when you were told to

00:49:47.280 stop.

00:49:47.740 You would keep pressing little buttons when you could tell they were on their heels wondering

00:49:52.880 what the hell had just walked into the room.

00:49:54.860 And you didn't stop once they were clearly uncomfortable.

00:49:59.000 So when you were doing all of this, was there ever a moment where you were like, okay, now

00:50:03.200 I might be in trouble?

00:50:06.300 There was never—I mean, there wasn't a moment where I ever felt sort of that my safety was

00:50:10.880 in jeopardy or anything like that.

00:50:12.180 But I guess, you know, a lot of people ask when we—well, on this film and also with

00:50:21.200 What is a Woman, that one of the main questions that I often will get is, you know, how do 1.00

00:50:25.960 I keep from laughing?

00:50:27.300 How do I keep a straight face when I'm in these rooms?

00:50:30.280 And the truth is that it's, you know, stopping myself from laughing is pretty easy, it turns

00:50:35.280 out.

00:50:35.560 Because when you're actually in the room doing this and you're in the room with these

00:50:38.920 people in real time—now, obviously, this is a movie, so we take—this could be like

00:50:43.140 a two-hour interaction that I have.

00:50:44.700 We take—you know, there's five minutes that appear in the movie because it's a film.

00:50:49.640 But it's pretty—it's pretty intense, and these are—these are really unpleasant people

00:50:53.540 most of the time, so it's—it's—looking back at it, of course, it's quite humorous,

00:51:00.500 but when you're in the moment, it's actually not all that funny to me when you're—when

00:51:04.820 you're really there and you're watching these people, especially these grifters who—who,

00:51:09.780 you know, this is their whole—this is what they do.

00:51:13.540 They take normal people and they try to break them down, and it's like this brainwashing

00:51:17.980 session that you see in the movie that goes on over and over again.

00:51:21.420 Yes.

00:51:22.420 This is—it takes almost all of the things we've heard about the craziest DEI pushers and

00:51:29.580 puts them together in one movie so you can see this is real life.

00:51:35.220 These people exist.

00:51:36.860 They've been doing this.

00:51:38.300 They are doing this right now. 0.98

00:51:40.420 They hate America, and they really don't much like white people, and they would like all 1.00

00:51:47.360 of us to feel the same. 0.67

00:51:49.280 So of all people to infiltrate their spaces, Matt Walsh gets in there, and he finds out

00:51:56.680 soon into this film, Matt Walsh is not going to be able to do this as Matt Walsh.

00:52:00.600 He's too well-known at this point.

00:52:02.520 People are on to him, and that brings me to one of the scenes that has been released,

00:52:05.800 and that's in the trailer.

00:52:07.240 This is Matt after he had attended a white privilege grief workshop, and he gets up to leave

00:52:14.620 the room for a moment, and he comes back and realizes they've figured it out.

00:52:18.740 Here's a bit in SOT 32.

00:52:20.940 I did everything I could to fit in.

00:52:23.940 I opened up.

00:52:25.620 I was raw and emotional.

00:52:27.860 I told them about my black friends.

00:52:29.860 It was no use.

00:52:31.860 They rejected me, and they called the police.

00:52:35.380 My mere presence in the room caused them pain.

00:52:37.940 I'll never be accepted if I look like this.

00:52:43.700 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, I'll always be an outsider.

00:52:47.260 I need to go deeper undercover, a whole new identity.

00:52:51.260 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one.

00:52:55.900 Like someone who is progressive, tolerant, enlightened.

00:52:58.940 What?

00:52:59.940 Let me think.

00:53:00.940 Have I ever met anyone like that?

00:53:03.940 Ah, yes.

00:53:05.940 Yes, I have.

00:53:08.940 What is a woman? 1.00

00:53:13.940 Why do you ask that question?

00:53:17.940 It's just a listening audience.

00:53:34.940 That's Matt getting dressed up just like a, well, you described the look you were going

00:53:39.700 for there.

00:53:40.700 Yeah.

00:53:41.700 That's the thing.

00:53:42.700 You know, one thing I recognize about this film and many people have pointed out just

00:53:46.300 based on the trailer is that it's not the most convincing disguise in the world.

00:53:49.740 It's not like, this is not exactly a CIA level operation where I'm going in and facial

00:53:55.060 prosthetics and, you know, a fat suit or something.

00:53:58.260 We talked about doing that maybe.

00:54:00.740 We talked about when we first started making the film, you know, what should I do to change

00:54:04.820 my appearance?

00:54:05.820 Of course, the idea of me shaving my beard was floated, which that's off the table immediately.

00:54:11.360 Other kind of things you could do.

00:54:12.920 And we didn't do any of that.

00:54:13.880 It's just a wig.

00:54:15.780 And, you know.

00:54:16.780 And a bun.

00:54:17.780 And a man bun, right?

00:54:20.420 Skinnier jeans than I would normally wear.

00:54:22.960 And you know, white shoes is like, that's the whole thing.

00:54:25.220 But and then the question is, well, how did that fool anybody given that that everything's

00:54:29.960 still the same?

00:54:30.960 You still sound like yourself.

00:54:32.520 And I think one of the answers to that is that for a lot of these people, they live in

00:54:38.980 such a bubble.

00:54:39.980 You know, they they live in this bubble they never really encounter in their everyday life.

00:54:46.160 Anyone who disagrees with them.

00:54:48.420 They never intentionally put themselves in a room with anyone who would ever challenge

00:54:53.320 them.

00:54:54.320 Robin DiAngelo appears later in the film and which, you know, you could see in the trailer.

00:54:59.160 I would I would venture a guess.

00:55:00.160 I don't know this, but I would guess that Robin DiAngelo has not intentionally been in

00:55:05.920 a room with someone who doesn't already agree with her in like 20 years.

00:55:09.920 I don't know.

00:55:10.920 So I think that's part of it that they they there's a certain arrogance that comes from

00:55:14.640 being in this bubble.

00:55:15.920 And they just never could imagine that anyone like me would ever be in their vicinity.

00:55:21.440 And so they kind of gave me the benefit of the doubt and the disguise didn't need to

00:55:24.880 be all that convincing because we're sort of using their their arrogance and their kind 1.00

00:55:30.680 of false sense of intellectual security against them, I guess.

00:55:36.340 You've got your skinny jeans, your man bun and your merce into which you put how to be

00:55:42.020 an anti-racist by Ibram X.

00:55:43.480 Kendi.

00:55:44.060 And when I saw it, I have to say, I really thought your inspo might have been a character

00:55:48.860 from a different Daily Wire production, Mr.

00:55:51.840 Burcham, in which I play Adam Carolla's wife.

00:55:54.720 He's Mr.

00:55:55.220 Burcham.

00:55:55.560 And it's the school DEI policeman named Mr.

00:56:00.400 Carpanzi.

00:56:01.140 Here he is.

00:56:02.620 My name is Mr.

00:56:03.680 Carpanzi.

00:56:04.540 My pronouns are he, him and Z.

00:56:07.400 I'm a heteronormative, cisgendered white male for which I apologize.

00:56:13.620 What?

00:56:15.580 Even got the scooter, which I saw you on in this movie.

00:56:18.560 Tyler Fisher plays that role.

00:56:20.480 Any, any connection?

00:56:22.740 No, it's actually, I was amazed when I, when I saw that also in, in the show, because that's,

00:56:29.760 that's just parallel thinking.

00:56:30.900 I don't know.

00:56:31.300 These two shows are being, these two things are being developed at the same time, you

00:56:34.680 know, and, uh, and, uh, I don't know.

00:56:37.340 I guess it's just, if you want to play a crazy leftist, well, you got to have the man 0.77

00:56:42.380 bun. 0.73

00:56:42.700 You got to have the scooter.

00:56:43.700 So I don't know.

00:56:46.020 It's pretty amazing.

00:56:46.880 Yeah.

00:56:47.860 Okay.

00:56:48.220 So you, so in the movie, and I won't give away all the spoilers cause it's fun to watch

00:56:52.320 it unfold and realize how you threaded the needle, but you go quote undercover and you

00:56:58.560 are on a mission to figure out this DEI world.

00:57:01.420 And one of the greatest themes that just keeps, we just kept laughing was you get your DEI

00:57:07.120 certification at like a workshop, and then you're very proud of your card and use it

00:57:13.840 in a way that is just so perfect, Matt, because you show it to everybody.

00:57:16.680 You're so proud of your DEI certification card.

00:57:18.620 Not everybody has one as you can play.

00:57:19.920 Not everyone has it.

00:57:20.720 You keep telling everybody.

00:57:21.860 And the joke of it is so on the nose for those of us who have been following this nonsense,

00:57:26.080 which is, of course, anyone can get one.

00:57:29.620 And yet there are all these people who are purported experts in this field who will grift

00:57:35.200 you to the nth degree because they have the little card or they have some diploma that's

00:57:41.220 given them an official education in this nonsense.

00:57:44.060 And they go out there and continue the grift.

00:57:47.860 Exactly.

00:57:48.440 It's, it's, it's, it's not a real subject.

00:57:50.920 That's the thing.

00:57:51.640 DEI is not a, it's not a real, uh, intellectual pursuit.

00:57:56.320 It's all completely made up and phony.

00:57:58.580 And so being an expert in that is just being an expert in nonsense.

00:58:02.540 Anyone can do it.

00:58:03.600 You'll see in the film that the process that I go through to get my, uh, certification is

00:58:09.800 it's, it's not a very, it's not a very grueling process.

00:58:12.760 Uh, in fact, it took about, I think not rigorous.

00:58:16.360 I took about, it took about 30 minutes, I think to get the, uh, to get the card.

00:58:19.420 And then what, once it's not like anyone can say, oh, but you just got that one on a fake

00:58:24.200 website.

00:58:24.520 That's not a real one.

00:58:25.480 There is no real one.

00:58:26.640 There's no such thing as being really certified in DEI.

00:58:29.980 It's all completely, uh, made up and, and, you know, you just really, all it's about is

00:58:36.200 just showing ideological alignments with these race hustlers.

00:58:39.980 And if you do that, then you can, you have as much acclaim to being an expert as anybody

00:58:46.280 else in this field does.

00:58:49.200 Yes.

00:58:49.880 So you, I love it because it's not everyone has one, not very proud.

00:58:54.880 And you then go and introduce us to some of the characters that we've heard of on the

00:59:01.280 news who are pushing this craziness.

00:59:02.980 You mentioned D'Angelo, which everyone must see.

00:59:05.660 If you watch this movie for another reason, watch it to see the scene where Matt Walsh

00:59:10.220 in his man bun sits down with Robin D'Angelo.

00:59:14.460 I died.

00:59:15.960 I honestly, there were so many great moments in there.

00:59:18.900 Again, we'll keep them a secret, but one of my favorites was when the issue of what is

00:59:23.080 mansplaining?

00:59:25.920 What is mansplaining?

00:59:28.000 And let's just say, you're going to laugh.

00:59:29.600 It just started as Doug and I did when you get to that scene, but you did meet a different

00:59:33.820 person who I'd never heard of before named Kate Slater.

00:59:37.560 So before I run this clip, tell us who is Kate Slater.

00:59:41.460 Well, she's one of these, uh, she's an anti-racist educator. 0.99

00:59:45.080 Uh, she is very proud of innovating something.

00:59:48.020 I believe if I remember correctly, it's called the anti-racist, uh, roadmap, I think.

00:59:52.900 And so she's the first person we talked to in the film.

00:59:55.480 And that's why you see in the movie, I'm not in the whole costume when I talked to her

00:59:58.440 because we wanted to start the movie by just, well, she has a roadmap.

01:00:03.500 We want to talk to someone who can kind of, I'm just starting out, uh, introduce me to

01:00:08.160 the basics of what this stuff is and tell me where to go next.

01:00:11.800 And, you know, you'll see in that interaction, she sort of lays out a map for me and tells

01:00:16.180 me, here's what you need to do.

01:00:17.460 Here's where you go next.

01:00:18.700 Here's what you should be doing.

01:00:20.260 And, uh, we, we set out to put that into practice in the film.

01:00:24.700 Yeah, you, you did it, but you, you clashed a bit, not really, but clash.

01:00:29.240 You, you highlighted an issue that actually someone I know actually had in their life.

01:00:35.740 They're not woke, but they were getting shamed for this Halloween costume because it's a white 0.99

01:00:40.780 family.

01:00:41.260 So you raised this.

01:00:42.420 Let's watch Sop 31 with Kate Slater.

01:00:45.540 My daughter's four years old.

01:00:47.540 I am an anti-racist educator, quote unquote.

01:00:50.920 She's still watching Disney movies and she is choosing a white princess over princesses 0.98

01:00:57.080 of color.

01:00:57.680 Have you talked to her about that?

01:00:58.800 All of the time.

01:00:59.860 My three-year-old daughter is very, her favorite princess is Moana.

01:01:03.880 Love it.

01:01:04.660 It's a good sign.

01:01:05.620 Yeah.

01:01:06.140 But then I also thought, you know, there's a little bit of cultural appropriation here.

01:01:10.760 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 1.00

01:01:12.360 Mm-hmm.

01:01:13.180 So how do we navigate that?

01:01:14.540 Do I go and, and, and buy the Pacific Islander native attire for my white three-year-old?

01:01:22.560 Um, I wouldn't. 0.97

01:01:23.860 I f***ing wouldn't. 0.63

01:01:25.060 But I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is, is what, uh, on one hand, 0.91

01:01:30.440 there's cultural appropriation.

01:01:31.460 On the other hand, there's gravitating towards, uh, white characters.

01:01:36.480 Right.

01:01:36.740 So it's almost like, no matter which way you go, you end up back in racism.

01:01:44.760 We think every space belongs to us because we live in a white supremacist society.

01:01:48.600 Is America an inherently racist country?

01:01:53.440 I think the word inherent is challenging there.

01:01:58.040 If we say...

01:01:59.260 Fundamentally.

01:02:00.040 Fundamentally, yes. 0.99

01:02:01.860 America is racist to its bones. 0.98

01:02:04.520 All of the... 0.98

01:02:05.040 So inherently.

01:02:05.520 Yeah.

01:02:06.740 Oh, my gosh.

01:02:08.760 I mean, it's, it's so perfect.

01:02:10.540 You, your child must love Moana over any other Disney princess.

01:02:15.080 However, not to the point where she would ever actually want to dress like her or model

01:02:19.860 her behavior because then you've crossed into cultural appropriation.

01:02:23.860 See rulebook, section 40, footnote 10.

01:02:28.160 Right.

01:02:28.680 You're, uh, that's why we, that's, that's why we now call it the Moana problem, that you're, 0.93

01:02:33.440 uh, you're racist no matter what. 0.89

01:02:34.580 I mean, the thing is that that's, it's one of the many moments in the film where, uh,

01:02:39.340 it's, it, you know, it's supposed to, it's funny watching it, you know, and, uh, we're

01:02:43.000 supposed to laugh at it.

01:02:43.880 And I think that, I think that mockery and laughter is an appropriate response to absurd

01:02:48.880 things.

01:02:49.460 And what you just saw there is absurd, but then on the other side of it, but once you

01:02:53.880 go a little bit beneath the surface on this thing, you see that it's actually, uh, it's 0.96

01:02:59.060 awful too, uh, along with being funny because, uh, this is the damned if you do damned if you 0.96

01:03:06.540 don't situation that these people set up where no matter what you're racist. 0.99

01:03:10.920 So they, they start by saying, uh, you're white, you're racist.

01:03:15.060 And then once they have you, you say, well, what do I do to not be racist anymore?

01:03:19.240 And they, they tell you what to do.

01:03:20.860 And after you do that, they say, well, good job for doing that. 0.92

01:03:23.280 But by the way, you're still racist.

01:03:24.380 And, and they, and, and this is a message that they do send to kids.

01:03:27.620 I think I said earlier in that interview before this moment, I asked her, uh, what's the right

01:03:33.460 age to start talking to your kids about their racism?

01:03:36.500 And she says, basically from birth, like for as soon as they're born, start letting them 0.95

01:03:41.820 know that they're racist. 0.98

01:03:43.240 And again, we can laugh at that as sane people, because we realize that it's completely ridiculous, 0.98

01:03:48.280 but she's serious.

01:03:50.200 And, uh, and there are people out there that take that advice and start, you know, hammering

01:03:54.960 this into their kid's head from birth.

01:03:56.560 And it's just, uh, it's horrendous.

01:03:59.600 It's abusive.

01:04:00.600 I mean, that you can see she's happy about it.

01:04:03.140 She's proud that she's, and she's disgusted by her child. 1.00

01:04:06.220 Who likes white princesses. 0.98

01:04:07.400 She's turned herself into a racist of a different kind. 1.00

01:04:10.640 I mean, that's obviously she's got some, I don't know, internalized hatred.

01:04:15.480 Um, her problem is her problem, unless it winds up in my kids' schools, which it has. 1.00

01:04:20.160 This is why the movie was so necessary.

01:04:23.300 So was there one thing in particular, Matt, that made you choose this as your next subject

01:04:27.780 after the huge success of what is a woman?

01:04:30.180 Well, it's hard to say one thing in particular.

01:04:33.020 I mean, I guess if there was one thing, it would be the big thing, which is in 2020 when,

01:04:38.600 uh, just the, the, the kind of racial insanity that took hold in 2020 after George Floyd.

01:04:46.640 Um, and a lot of the things that we saw after 2020, it, it, none of it was new really.

01:04:51.240 I mean, even the riots we'd seen before, but it was ramped up to the nth degree.

01:04:56.360 And so that's one of the, probably the main thing that had me thinking about it.

01:05:00.920 Um, and beyond that, it's just, it's, it's cultural, you know, like noticing that I kind

01:05:06.500 of, I say earlier in the film, you see here in the preview that I can think of myself growing

01:05:11.180 up in the nineties and it was not a racial utopia.

01:05:14.500 I'm not claiming that I realized that you had the OJ trial, you had the race riots in

01:05:19.280 LA and that sort of thing, but that sort of stuff was happening and we're never going

01:05:23.120 to live in a utopia where we're, uh, we're human beings.

01:05:25.700 We're tribalistic by nature.

01:05:26.760 We're flawed.

01:05:27.620 You're always going to have things like racism.

01:05:29.200 That's always going to be a part of the human experience.

01:05:32.040 But my own anecdotal experience growing up, uh, in a, you know, racially diverse area and

01:05:39.940 going to public school and, you know, people of all different races, it was like, you notice

01:05:44.060 when people were a different race, but it didn't, you weren't focused on it intently

01:05:47.580 all the time and you weren't sitting around thinking about, oh, am I racist?

01:05:52.440 Was that a racist interaction?

01:05:53.580 It just was, that wasn't a part of what you were doing.

01:05:56.660 Um, and recently that's been the case.

01:06:01.460 So it seems like we're very much going backwards and, and we are, and that's because people

01:06:06.800 like these grifters that we expose in the film, um, that's what they want.

01:06:11.100 They, they very intentionally, they're taking people who otherwise wouldn't be that focused

01:06:16.340 on race.

01:06:16.980 And they're telling them that, no, you have to focus on this.

01:06:20.060 You should be focused on this all the time.

01:06:22.380 You think you're not racist because you don't hate people of other races, but actually you 1.00

01:06:26.740 are.

01:06:27.220 And in fact, if you say you're not racist and think that you're not racist, then that

01:06:31.160 means they're even more racist than, than, than anybody else.

01:06:34.100 And they just get people in, up in their own heads.

01:06:37.340 And it's like this cycle of confusion and resentment that everybody gets caught up into.

01:06:42.100 And it's, uh, it's just evil.

01:06:45.780 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:06:48.100 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:07:04.100 Thank you.

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