The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Megyn Breaks Down Kamala's Terrible Interview, Nicole Shanahan, Vivek Ramaswamy, and More

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:43.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our weekend best of special.

00:00:47.780 We had a busy week with some of our favorite regulars and some first timers.

00:00:51.980 One who joined me for the very first time was Nicole Shanahan.

00:00:56.040 I loved her.

00:00:56.860 She's RFKJ's running mate was, I guess I should say, we got into her Make America Healthy Again 1.00

00:01:02.520 movement and her incredible ads around MAGA.

00:01:05.540 She did that, the MAGA people ad that you may have seen everywhere, humanizing Trump supporters. 0.99

00:01:10.920 And we got into Nicole's political evolution away from the Democratic Party.

00:01:15.160 Also, her marriage to Sergey Brin, the guy who started Google.

00:01:20.980 Speaking of political evolution, Bhatia Angarsargan was also with me this week to talk about the

00:01:26.120 political realignment happening throughout this country as the working class is turning 0.86

00:01:30.860 in record numbers toward Trump and the GOP.

00:01:34.140 Oh, and Vice President Kamala Harris did an interview this week with MSNBC and she was terrible. 1.00

00:01:39.300 I broke it down point by point.

00:01:41.760 Vivek Ramaswamy was also here to talk about NBC's completely absurd interview with First

00:01:46.920 Lady Jill Biden and the state of the media overall.

00:01:50.700 Enjoy and I'll see you Monday.

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00:02:24.860 I can't get over what an interesting background you have and your political evolution in particular

00:02:31.500 is fascinating.

00:02:32.840 Like a lot of people who are going to pull the lever for Donald Trump in November, you've

00:02:38.240 spent most all of your life as a Democrat, supporting Democrats, even with donations and

00:02:46.660 fundraisers.

00:02:47.780 So tell us a little bit about your migration over to Team Red.

00:02:52.400 Yeah.

00:02:52.760 And I just want to clarify, I consider myself an independent, like 51% of Americans today.

00:02:59.460 And that number is growing.

00:03:01.220 People are re-registering.

00:03:02.780 They're giving up their party affiliation.

00:03:04.900 They're leaving the duopoly.

00:03:06.600 And I very much consider myself part of that trend.

00:03:10.160 And the power within that trend is to be able to pick a candidate based on the issues they

00:03:16.620 represent, as well as where we'd like to see the direction of the country going.

00:03:22.340 So it's not a your team versus my team.

00:03:25.000 It's who's really thinking about Americans, putting a real understanding of the American

00:03:32.500 family at the forefront, individual liberty at the forefront, and preserving what makes this

00:03:38.380 country so great.

00:03:39.260 And so my political evolution, really, from Democrat to independent, it's come from many

00:03:49.340 directions.

00:03:50.140 But I will say the overarching summary is that something is very, very wrong right now in

00:03:56.460 this country.

00:03:57.080 And there's a group of people, corporatists, cronists, you can call them what you want

00:04:02.900 to call them, transhumanists, anti-women. 0.90

00:04:06.040 They seem to be collecting around the Democratic Party.

00:04:09.920 And it's something I started noticing as early as eight years ago.

00:04:16.080 And so many inconsistencies that I was seeing, even from areas of climate change, which they

00:04:24.620 hold themselves up as caring so much about, the inconsistencies in how they handle social

00:04:30.740 justice work.

00:04:32.280 They seem to focus on these pro-crime initiatives without really fixing the economy and lifting

00:04:39.120 communities up.

00:04:40.380 So these are areas that I care so deeply about and very invested in.

00:04:46.540 Still am.

00:04:47.280 I still believe that we have to take care of our environment, care about carbon and the

00:04:53.960 climate situation.

00:04:56.480 And there's ways to do it without adding toxins to our environment.

00:05:00.780 So there's all these common sense ways to address these issues that the Democrats have

00:05:07.240 completely abandoned for something else.

00:05:10.360 And that something else is deeply ideological.

00:05:13.160 It is anti-human in many ways.

00:05:17.540 It's anti-nature.

00:05:19.320 And it's something I can no longer support in good faith.

00:05:23.720 This reminds me so much of when I met Michael Schellenberger on this show four years ago,

00:05:28.440 when we were just getting started.

00:05:30.240 We didn't even have video at that time.

00:05:31.960 And he, like you, was on the left.

00:05:35.240 He was a Democrat.

00:05:36.280 He worked for Greenpeace.

00:05:37.740 He was part of the whole Solyndra initiative at the Obama White House trying to get all

00:05:44.080 this green energy out there.

00:05:45.460 And as someone who was drawn to that work out of his love for Mother Earth, he slowly

00:05:53.480 but surely had the veil brought down on how these efforts that were being pushed through

00:05:58.400 by the government were doing more harm than good.

00:06:02.100 You know, the windmills and the solar panels and the toxins and the amount of land that

00:06:07.760 they have to claim and vegetation and bird life and other animal life that has to be wiped

00:06:12.520 out and really just came to it very naturally and organically.

00:06:16.720 And that is what makes somebody a true proselytizer on certain issues, right?

00:06:21.240 Because you tried it the other way.

00:06:23.300 You kind of believed you were a believer only to realize you were wrong.

00:06:26.940 Well, I actually have been working in climate change and evaded a lot of the energy projects

00:06:36.620 because I have a background in economics and the private market will solve for energy issues

00:06:42.520 through innovation.

00:06:43.500 That's my background.

00:06:44.380 I'm an intellectual property attorney.

00:06:46.440 I've studied the evolution of human innovation.

00:06:50.180 I created an AI to study every patent humans have ever created.

00:06:54.600 And I understand the cost basis economics of certain innovational projects.

00:07:02.800 So energy is something that the government doesn't actually have to be involved in because

00:07:07.580 the private market will oftentimes innovate to solve these issues.

00:07:11.540 Obviously, there's coordination and the grid and regulatory issues.

00:07:15.520 But in a perfect private market environment, you don't need the kind of government spend that

00:07:25.040 the Democrats have been throwing so much money at.

00:07:28.320 And so where I spent my time in climate work is looking at farming and soil because it's the

00:07:37.680 only category in climate change mitigation that is a true win-win.

00:07:46.420 If you do it right, you eliminate toxins from the environment.

00:07:50.820 You create food security.

00:07:54.400 You create small businesses.

00:07:57.000 And it is an area, however, that is going to require some government assistance to get away

00:08:02.780 from large corporate farming and large corporate centralization.

00:08:07.180 We have to rewrite how we think about the farm bill.

00:08:10.780 We can't keep supporting big ag and agrochemical companies.

00:08:16.500 And a small injection.

00:08:18.600 I mean, look, our current farm bill is going to be over a trillion dollars at this point.

00:08:22.900 It's going to be the largest farm bill in history.

00:08:24.740 And if they just spent 1% of that on regenerative agriculture, it would do more for climate issues

00:08:34.180 than any of the Inflation Reduction Act or the Green New Deal would do.

00:08:41.320 So why don't they?

00:08:42.200 Why don't they?

00:08:42.760 Because what we had, I watched the whole hearing, just so the audience knows, there was a great

00:08:46.640 hearing on Monday.

00:08:48.020 Casey Means was there.

00:08:49.160 RFKJ was there.

00:08:50.180 Callie Means.

00:08:50.860 Casey's brother was there.

00:08:52.140 He's been amazing on this issue.

00:08:53.300 To Jillian Anderson, a bunch of people who our audience, sorry, Jillian Michaels, a bunch

00:08:57.820 of people who our audience would know and have been on the show talking about some of

00:09:02.500 these issues.

00:09:03.260 Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone

00:09:08.400 should buy and read.

00:09:10.220 But you saw what the media did afterward.

00:09:12.780 I mean, they couldn't have cared less.

00:09:16.080 And the one publication that really wrote it up, The Atlantic, which bothered to send somebody

00:09:19.920 to it, was absolutely sneering and disgusting in its coverage of it, calling it the woo-woo caucus.

00:09:29.120 Screw you, Elaine Godfrey. 1.00

00:09:31.280 Because some of us have kids whose very lives are going to depend on these reforms that they

00:09:37.620 were discussing at this hearing.

00:09:39.220 But the reason The Atlantic has to crap on this messaging, Nicole, is they're owned by Steve

00:09:47.660 Jobs' widow.

00:09:49.920 And she's very close with Kamala Harris.

00:09:52.720 And they decided to take a nonpartisan event that spoke about things like the soil and the

00:09:58.380 problems and turn it into some sort of ad for Trump, which it wasn't.

00:10:03.840 And then, without considering any of the ideas, dumped all over it.

00:10:10.420 Yeah.

00:10:11.280 Laureen Powell Jobs.

00:10:12.740 I've met her a few times.

00:10:14.900 I know Emerson Collective a bit.

00:10:17.620 I've crossed paths with them.

00:10:19.660 They're here in Silicon Valley.

00:10:20.880 My office used to be around the corner from their office in Palo Alto.

00:10:24.900 And I think that she is stuck in something.

00:10:30.780 She's created something that she didn't intend to create.

00:10:33.300 You have to recognize all the stuff we're seeing with immigration that came through her 1.00

00:10:38.820 foundation, Emerson Collective.

00:10:42.580 She's she I think at her root wants to do the right thing, but she's working with bad 0.59

00:10:52.060 actors.

00:10:52.720 And I don't think I think she's aware of some of it, but I don't think she understands the

00:10:57.740 full scope of it.

00:10:58.520 And I say that because it I ran into similar issues as well when I started working in the

00:11:06.220 criminal justice reform space.

00:11:07.800 I came in as a good actor.

00:11:09.620 I wanted to reform the infrastructure of the justice system.

00:11:14.220 I wanted to make sure there was balance in it.

00:11:16.040 I wanted to make sure taxpayers weren't overspending on incarceration and something happened.

00:11:23.000 Bad actors came in and other forces came in.

00:11:27.160 I will say we do have foreign influences that are directing some of these funds in very bad

00:11:34.160 ways.

00:11:34.580 And, you know, next thing I know, we have all these anarchists claiming to be criminal

00:11:42.180 justice reformers.

00:11:43.960 And they've somehow taken over our politicians who are supposed to be overseeing these funds

00:11:49.420 and efforts.

00:11:49.820 What do you mean?

00:11:50.460 Because the biggest funder is George Soros, who's not an anarchist, but he's a deeply problematic

00:11:55.660 man who's determined to fundamentally change this country for the worst.

00:12:02.500 I would say that some of the stuff he's done is is very much in the mindset of anarchy,

00:12:08.480 anti-government or sorry.

00:12:11.380 You were saying foreign actors, foreign actors.

00:12:14.500 Yes.

00:12:14.700 So if you look at some of the things that are coming in through TikTok, TikTok's a really great

00:12:22.480 example of how young people are being influenced today, some of the content creators are being

00:12:28.940 paid by Chinese companies.

00:12:32.840 And you're like, why?

00:12:34.120 Why are some of these influencers getting two hundred thousand dollars a year to talk about

00:12:38.400 American social issues?

00:12:41.900 And and you look, I think that we need to do a deep, deep dive into exactly how these funds

00:12:51.400 work, what what they're doing to our country.

00:12:55.260 But in the area of criminal justice reform, you know, there's evidence that BLM, for instance,

00:13:00.860 received money from groups affiliated with Chinese entities.

00:13:08.540 And if you look at what BLM did to the criminal justice reform effort, which was going very well,

00:13:14.440 we got the crime rate down.

00:13:16.160 We got incarceration rates down.

00:13:18.780 Communities were doing better.

00:13:20.120 This was around 20, 2016.

00:13:23.800 And then by 2020, it turned into just this hellscape.

00:13:28.300 And the good faith actors who are trying to fix the criminal justice system, who are making

00:13:33.940 progress, no longer could make progress anymore.

00:13:37.040 The DAs that were supposed to be doing this great reform work became unreachable.

00:13:43.140 And I will say, having been on the front lines of that and seeing it and the dynamics and the

00:13:51.240 grassroots groups and and the messaging changing and becoming radicalized, it's it sounds more

00:13:59.560 anarchist than it does a good faith approach to making a fair justice system.

00:14:08.520 Yeah, well, listen, I, I, I take back that George Soros was not is not an anarchist because he's

00:14:13.940 funded enough upset and rioting across the shores of America that you could make the case just the

00:14:22.100 foreign actor thing through me.

00:14:23.860 But I mean, right now, he's obviously behind all these soft on crime prosecutors.

00:14:28.080 He doesn't want them to prosecute any crime.

00:14:30.080 He's behind a lot of this, the pro-Palestinian protesting that we're seeing on college campuses.

00:14:35.420 He hasn't seen rioting or protesting in America.

00:14:37.980 That's on a left wing cause that he doesn't want to get behind.

00:14:40.360 And his son just had a meeting with Tim Walls.

00:14:43.260 His son is just like him and is now very close to the Harris Walls campaign.

00:14:48.440 So I hope you like George Soros if you're voting for Kamala Harris, because you're going to get a

00:14:52.040 whole lot more just like it.

00:14:54.080 But you, I too, I'm an independent, but I've told my audience I'm voting for Trump.

00:15:00.560 You're able, notwithstanding coming from the left, to see the truth about the MAGA movement.

00:15:06.640 And you put out, I think, the best ad I've seen about MAGA since it was born.

00:15:14.120 I've had many of my friends who consider themselves MAGA forward it to me so that we would talk about

00:15:20.060 it.

00:15:20.440 And it's absolutely beautiful.

00:15:24.240 Here is part of it, the MAGA people, Sot 33.

00:15:30.560 Across the Atlantic in the North American country of the United States lies a fascinating and often

00:15:35.700 misunderstood collective.

00:15:37.720 From its northeastern cities to its mid-western towns to its expansive west, this courageous

00:15:43.360 group of individuals are most notably known for their unwavering patriotism.

00:15:48.500 Join us as we explore the fascinating world of the MAGA people.

00:15:52.080 Contrary to what we had been told, we found the MAGA people to be warm, loving, and even

00:15:57.880 rather cheeky at times.

00:15:59.180 As we spent time with the MAGA people, we learned that their mantra, make America great

00:16:04.240 again, is an optimistic belief that the United States will once again prosper by returning

00:16:08.900 to its founding principles of a government by and for the people.

00:16:11.980 It's quite brilliant, Nicole, like the sort of the, you know, the 1950s feel of like foreign

00:16:19.820 space alien has come down to America and investigated this odd group and so absolutely

00:16:26.820 lovely.

00:16:28.220 So why?

00:16:29.080 And there's, you're doing a series of these ads and they're all this quality and this

00:16:32.840 effective.

00:16:33.260 So why did you get behind that?

00:16:35.480 Like, how did that come to you?

00:16:38.180 Yeah, it was very organic.

00:16:39.640 Uh, we didn't hire a sophisticated team at all.

00:16:42.820 We have one editor that we work with.

00:16:46.740 Each of those films costs about $7,000 to produce, um, that one and TDS were my original idea.

00:16:57.440 Um, and it's in part just comes from a place within my own being of trying to figure it out

00:17:05.620 and explain my own bias.

00:17:08.260 Uh, you have to understand, I was fully deep in the Kool-Aid of the left-wing media and believed

00:17:16.860 everything they were telling me about MAGA being a domestic terrorist organization.

00:17:22.880 And, um, the programming was so deep, Megan, that I would see someone with that MAGA cap on

00:17:31.880 and I would feel tension and fear inside.

00:17:35.480 And this is very true for many of those who are still stuck in that mindset and stuck in

00:17:41.780 that programming.

00:17:43.440 And, um, we attempted a few approaches to the, who are the MAGA people or what is MAGA and

00:17:51.540 none of them, um, a lot of them were like very serious.

00:17:56.260 Some of them were, um, they didn't, they didn't sway me.

00:18:02.700 So I needed something that was going to engage someone from my background and was going to

00:18:10.360 deliver a gentle message, um, and was going to deliver it in a way that felt truthful.

00:18:16.960 And, and so when we made this one, it was very much about, uh, these BBC and investigative,

00:18:25.200 uh, anthropological studies of these other people, uh, because that's, what's happened

00:18:32.340 in America is that we've been so divided that we're almost different clans.

00:18:38.680 It's, it's, we have to try to figure out how to understand each other in narratives, um,

00:18:45.100 that our consciousness has seen before.

00:18:48.320 And so these BBC anthropology trips, um, seemed like a really great way of helping us rediscover

00:18:58.780 one another here in America.

00:19:01.140 So good.

00:19:02.160 It's so well done.

00:19:03.960 Um, the, you referenced TDS.

00:19:06.500 I think our audience knows that stands for Trump derangement syndrome, which is a real

00:19:10.580 thing.

00:19:11.960 And, um, that one's excellent too.

00:19:14.140 Here's a bit of that in SOT 31.

00:19:17.300 Are you or your loved ones suffering from illnesses such as TDS, also known as Trump derangement

00:19:22.540 syndrome?

00:19:23.320 Do you dismiss or deny the current issues facing our country, such as historic inflation, illegal

00:19:28.660 immigration, corporate corruption, world war three escalations, and the chronic disease

00:19:33.440 epidemic?

00:19:33.880 Are you willing to elect someone who was the least popular vice president in modern history

00:19:38.680 and who offers no policy or vision for America simply because your brain keeps telling you

00:19:43.500 anyone, but Trump, if so, you might be struggling from TDS introducing independence.

00:19:50.720 Independence allows you the freedom to finally think independently once again.

00:19:55.840 So good.

00:19:56.960 So do these drop only on YouTube and how can we get these in front of all of your California

00:20:01.260 neighbors?

00:20:03.320 So interestingly, TDS went super viral in the first 48 hours and has now been viewed close

00:20:12.520 to 90 million times.

00:20:14.400 And then the who is the MAGA peoples didn't go quite as viral, but people used it to send

00:20:25.700 to their family members or friends or colleagues.

00:20:29.880 And they said, look, I know you think MAGA is a domestic terrorist organization, but just

00:20:35.660 take two minutes of your day and watch this video because this is my understanding of who

00:20:41.080 MAGA is.

00:20:41.840 Um, and, and that's been really heartening for me to hear the feedback on because that

00:20:48.620 really was the intention of these, um, short videos, just something that, you know, would

00:20:56.400 really tickle people's, um, humor and curiosity, um, and create a forum for having open conversation

00:21:05.140 with one another again, because it is so divided.

00:21:08.140 Uh, we're working on one right now, which is really a love letter from my heart to moms

00:21:15.460 and families out there, um, and to grandparents, uh, because boomers are really hard to reach 1.00

00:21:23.120 in this country.

00:21:24.320 Liberal boomers are some of the most stubborn when it comes to changing their opinion on Donald

00:21:30.120 Trump, they're hooked to legacy media.

00:21:33.760 I call it boomer news, right? 0.71

00:21:37.320 That's good.

00:21:38.640 And, you know, this one, it's called, um, the dear dad ad and it's a family story.

00:21:47.120 It's my family story of, of my sister-in-law, um, trying to communicate with her dad, who's

00:21:55.260 a never Trumper there in Arizona, um, and her son, uh, little boy, Jack was severely vaccine

00:22:04.080 injured and almost passed away.

00:22:06.160 Um, and, and this was a clear case of vaccine injury.

00:22:10.120 Uh, and, you know, so dear dad is, is just this gut wrenching letter she wrote, um, that

00:22:19.380 we're going to try to get out there and help people understand that, you know, this is one

00:22:25.880 election cycle, but we've got bigger battles to fight right now.

00:22:30.460 Um, we've got to uncover the depths of the corruption.

00:22:34.700 Um, and this is not vindictive.

00:22:37.420 This is not a vindictive journey.

00:22:39.280 Uh, we're not trying to, you know, throw anyone in prison for the rest of their life,

00:22:46.100 but we, we want freedom.

00:22:47.640 We want our liberty back.

00:22:49.100 We want honest healthcare.

00:22:51.580 We want our children protected.

00:22:53.340 We don't want to see any more of these one and a half year old, two and a half year old 0.99

00:22:58.140 babies struggling to breathe on ventilators.

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00:23:35.340 What's your thought on the latest round of polling in these three critical battlegrounds?

00:23:39.500 It does seem like he's regaining some of the ground that he had before the coup that

00:23:45.640 it's instantiated Harris instead of Biden.

00:23:48.360 In general, it's a very tight race, but it does seem like Trump is polling more the way

00:23:55.700 he did in 2016 than the way that he did in 2020.

00:23:59.760 And Harris is behind Biden and behind Clinton in key demographics that she needs to win, 0.86

00:24:06.860 including young voters, voters of color, especially men.

00:24:10.960 You know, we know that polling is not always accurate.

00:24:14.000 We know that there are people who still will not admit to pollsters that they're going to

00:24:18.300 pull the lever for Trump.

00:24:19.540 But I'll tell you what I'm looking at, Megan.

00:24:21.160 So in 2020, Donald Trump was polling at 8% of Black men, and he ended up winning 18% of

00:24:30.240 Black men.

00:24:31.080 So almost double the people who are willing to admit to pollsters they were going to vote

00:24:34.720 for him.

00:24:35.460 He is now polling at 25% of Black men under the age of 50.

00:24:42.100 And if history, recent history is any indication, that's really what I am sort of focused on,

00:24:48.320 that so many Black men are willing to admit to pollsters. 0.99

00:24:53.100 Actually, I see a home for myself in the MAGA movement.

00:24:56.340 Actually, I think Donald Trump is the unifying candidate.

00:24:59.620 Actually, I think my children have a better future under Trump than under Harris.

00:25:04.320 To me, that is extremely significant about the shifting tides in this country.

00:25:09.600 You know, Baja, you wrote this book, Second Class, and it takes a hard look at the working

00:25:13.280 class of America, and how they've been forgotten by the Democrat Party, and they've migrated

00:25:18.900 much more to the Republicans.

00:25:20.660 And I think you're the perfect person to ask about what happened with the Teamsters last

00:25:25.060 week for that reason.

00:25:26.560 We didn't spend a lot of time on it last week.

00:25:28.140 There was a lot going on.

00:25:29.080 The president was almost assassinated again, President Trump.

00:25:31.520 And so, but this was a pretty extraordinary moment in Teamster history, and I realize they

00:25:39.160 didn't wind up actually endorsing Trump, but the mere fact that they couldn't, the leadership

00:25:45.680 couldn't endorse Harris, given that some 60% of their members wanted Trump, really does

00:25:53.520 signal some sort of a sea change here on working class Americans. 0.85

00:25:59.140 Absolutely.

00:25:59.900 Let's start with Sean O'Brien, the head of the Teamsters.

00:26:03.000 This man is a national treasure.

00:26:05.460 He is the first leader in modern history, in our era, the first union leader, to say,

00:26:12.920 you know what?

00:26:13.820 I'm not just going to do what the elites in the Democratic Party expect me to do.

00:26:17.960 I'm going to represent my rank and file where they're at.

00:26:21.060 What a concept.

00:26:22.520 What a concept that a leader's job is actually to reflect the people who he was elected to give

00:26:29.140 voice to.

00:26:29.940 And what he did with that power and that leadership was he asked both campaigns, can I come to

00:26:36.440 your national convention?

00:26:37.840 Donald Trump said yes, with open arms.

00:26:41.020 He gave him a prime time slot, 10 p.m.

00:26:43.680 the first night, which was the first time the nation had seen Donald Trump since the shooting,

00:26:48.180 right?

00:26:48.580 He didn't tell him how long he could speak for.

00:26:50.960 He spoke for about 30 minutes.

00:26:52.380 It was a raucous speech, wildly pro-worker, challenging in many ways to the Republican

00:26:59.080 establishment.

00:27:00.220 These were unvetted remarks because Donald Trump wanted the representative of the Teamsters

00:27:04.940 to feel at home in his party.

00:27:07.980 True leadership by both men.

00:27:09.900 And what did the Democrats do?

00:27:11.200 They banned the head of the Teamsters Union, which represents 1.3 million hardworking Americans

00:27:17.820 from the DNC, to punish him for going out there and going to the RNC.

00:27:23.240 And I just think that is so telling, Megan.

00:27:25.940 You have Donald Trump out here with 60% of the Teamsters.

00:27:29.640 You know, they didn't endorse him, but that is an endorsement, right?

00:27:32.620 And meanwhile, who does Kamala Harris have? 1.00

00:27:35.080 Who's she bragging about having in her corner? 1.00

00:27:37.400 Goldman Sachs, Oprah, Meryl Streep, Dick Cheney, the deep state.

00:27:44.880 The tax union, the tax investigators union.

00:27:48.400 Oh, my God.

00:27:49.620 Who wants to vote for the candidate who the people who work for the IRS are voting for?

00:27:54.160 That's exactly right.

00:27:55.320 This is the political realignment around class lines.

00:27:59.840 Donald Trump has cobbled together a mass populist movement of working class Americans,

00:28:06.840 of all races, because more unifies us as Americans than divides us.

00:28:11.720 That is the MAGA movement right now.

00:28:13.880 And meanwhile, Kamala Harris is leaning into the elites who have become the Democrats' base. 1.00

00:28:20.820 That's what we're seeing.

00:28:21.500 And by the way, just one more quick point.

00:28:23.360 The UAW, the United Auto Workers, right?

00:28:25.840 They're very, very much still in the Democrats' camp.

00:28:28.520 The thing you have to understand, Megan, is that over a quarter of UAW members are not

00:28:35.880 auto workers.

00:28:36.880 They work at universities.

00:28:38.840 They are grad students.

00:28:40.420 They are adjunct professors.

00:28:42.440 Yes, because what happened was the UAW realized that auto workers are Trump voters. 1.00

00:28:48.480 And so they started to basically swell their ranks with college-educated elites effectively

00:28:54.300 trying to become like one of these white-collar unions.

00:28:57.900 When I worked at my last job and they tried to get me to join the union, my last job as

00:29:02.600 a journalist, the union that represented them was the UAW, okay?

00:29:07.300 So, you know, there really is.

00:29:09.420 Yes, there is a class divide even within the unions.

00:29:13.060 But the union leadership in America often really does go, they play the political game

00:29:18.760 and they're in the pocket of the Democrats and they ignore their rank and file, unlike

00:29:23.520 Sean O'Brien.

00:29:24.300 And honestly, Megan, this is a watershed moment.

00:29:26.700 You think the electricians' unions, those electricians who are all Trump voters, they're

00:29:31.620 going to let their leaders next time around endorse a Democrat?

00:29:35.040 They won't because they look at what Sean O'Brien did and they say, we want a leader like

00:29:38.780 that.

00:29:40.060 Oh, my gosh.

00:29:40.500 That reminds me of my mom who is constantly talking to her electrician who is definitely

00:29:45.080 a Trump voter and she gets all sorts of information from him.

00:29:48.340 And I'm like, Mom, have you been on the internet again?

00:29:50.600 What are you, what's happening?

00:29:51.760 She's like, no, I talked to the electrician.

00:29:53.760 He's definitely pro-Trump.

00:29:55.620 You mentioned Sean O'Brien at the RNC.

00:29:58.020 Here's a little bit of that for folks who missed it.

00:30:01.040 No other nominee in the race would have invited the teamsters into this arena.

00:30:07.260 Now, you can have whatever opinion you want, but one thing is clear.

00:30:11.740 President Trump is a candidate who is not afraid of hearing from new, loud, and often

00:30:19.500 critical voices.

00:30:21.140 And I think we all can agree, whether people like him or they don't like him, in light of

00:30:28.040 what happened to him on Saturday, he has proven to be one tough SOB.

00:30:34.080 Right, so that is somebody who understands working class guys' concerns, and he's not 0.96

00:30:44.900 the only one, Bhatia.

00:30:46.440 John Fetterman.

00:30:48.360 I mean, books should be written about John Fetterman's political career so far as a U.S.

00:30:54.260 senator.

00:30:54.460 Like the race, the stroke, him not being able to really speak well or be understood, the

00:31:01.740 doubts about him on the right in particular.

00:31:05.320 And then as soon as he became very pro-Israel, the left turned on him, the pro-Israel right

00:31:11.780 started to reevaluate him.

00:31:14.180 He reemerged as sort of this working class guy who understands their concerns.

00:31:19.580 And now, as a Democrat in the critical state of Pennsylvania, it's not like he's endorsing

00:31:25.240 Trump, but he is offering some hard truths about why Pennsylvanians do love Trump and

00:31:32.760 why this state, even though it's become bluer and bluer over the past 10 years, is still

00:31:38.220 likely or potentially at least going to go for Donald Trump.

00:31:43.200 It's tight.

00:31:44.080 It's tight, tight, tight.

00:31:45.080 She spent all of her time there.

00:31:46.480 Kamala Harris has basically moved to Pennsylvania.

00:31:49.580 And here's John Fetterman explaining some of what's happened with Trump there.

00:31:54.020 And I also want people to understand, you know, and it's not science, but there is energy

00:32:00.360 and there's kinds of anger on the ground in Pennsylvania.

00:32:05.260 And people are very committed and strong.

00:32:09.360 Trump is going to be strong.

00:32:10.920 And that's we have to respect that.

00:32:13.180 You don't can't even understand it.

00:32:14.860 And it's not like a science that can explain it.

00:32:17.220 But but you have to just know that it's real.

00:32:19.240 Trump has created a special kind of a hold within the corn and he's remade the party and

00:32:27.140 he has a special kind of place in Pennsylvania.

00:32:29.700 And I think that only deepened after that first assassination.

00:32:36.360 Very honest.

00:32:38.880 Definitely.

00:32:40.240 It's very amazing.

00:32:41.360 I don't know if you remember this, Megan, but after the debate that John Fetterman did with

00:32:45.560 Dr. Oz, who Trump had endorsed, and Fetterman was right out the stroke.

00:32:51.140 He could barely talk.

00:32:52.660 It was so hard to watch.

00:32:54.200 Your heart really went out for him.

00:32:55.680 Right.

00:32:56.300 But everybody came out of that and was like, wow, Mehmet Oz is going to win, but not Donald

00:33:01.580 Trump.

00:33:02.360 Donald Trump.

00:33:03.500 He watched it with one of his advisers.

00:33:05.200 I don't remember which adviser it was, but they later said that what Trump said was, no,

00:33:09.480 John Fetterman is going to win because people are going to feel sorry for him.

00:33:12.820 I mean, that shows you Trump's real genius for politics and how people operate.

00:33:17.420 He could see that coming.

00:33:18.740 It is very amazing.

00:33:21.120 You know, John Fetterman has this big stroke, you know, faces his maker and comes out like

00:33:25.940 super pro-Israel, right?

00:33:27.660 I think it's very interesting that he's able to both stay a Democrat while facing down the

00:33:33.720 far left of his party.

00:33:35.780 I think that shows real strength and character.

00:33:38.020 I mean, obviously, I want him to find his way to Trump and find his way to understanding

00:33:42.620 why so many of his own constituents are so solidly in the MAGA camp and why it's because

00:33:48.260 they want a better future for their children and why they're right about that.

00:33:51.260 But I do think that it takes a lot of strength to be attacked so viciously and vociferously

00:33:58.220 from your own side and still toe the line and say, no, I represent where the Democrats

00:34:02.540 ideally should be.

00:34:04.160 And I think, Megan, even for us who are kind of on the other side of things, we should want

00:34:09.140 a better Democratic Party, right?

00:34:10.940 Like, we should want the Democratic Party that's represented by John Fetterman to fight

00:34:15.320 against rather than the Democratic Party that's represented by Rashida Tlaib, because

00:34:19.000 we should want this country to be having debates that are elevated and about the issues and are

00:34:25.080 legitimate and honest rather than whether Jews deserve to exist, right? 1.00

00:34:29.260 Yeah, right.

00:34:29.980 Exactly.

00:34:30.440 How do we get down to that point?

00:34:31.800 So the working class remains a very interesting issue in this campaign in that, yes, Kamala Harris,

00:34:37.500 if she's going to get elected, it's going to be thanks to the elites.

00:34:39.760 It's not going to be thanks to the working class with whom she's doing very poorly, especially 1.00

00:34:43.640 in comparison to Joe Biden, who did much, much better in particular with unions than

00:34:48.980 she is doing.

00:34:49.920 She's fallen precipitously with all these union groups that did like Joe Biden because he

00:34:54.680 had a proven history with them.

00:34:56.600 And so now there is a bit of a battle still to get some of them through her vice presidential 0.98

00:35:03.000 candidate. She seems to have the big middle finger going for them, like in terms of who 1.00

00:35:09.020 she sits with, the messaging that she gives about herself.

00:35:11.840 But they sent Tim Walls out there to be sort of man of the people, you know, in his flannel

00:35:16.420 and like a real regular working class guy, like a teacher you can understand you can relate

00:35:21.000 to. And the latest effort was him this weekend, like working on his car.

00:35:27.460 He's just like a guy who works on the car and kicks the engine around.

00:35:31.500 Here is a bit of an ad.

00:35:35.200 This is an ad showing him working on this car.

00:35:39.340 Watch.

00:35:39.520 Everything works on here, except one thing I'm still tinkering with, cruise control.

00:35:45.540 So I'm going to show you how to fix that.

00:35:47.380 At the same time, we talk about creating an opportunity economy so that everybody can get

00:35:51.820 the opportunity to thrive.

00:35:52.960 To be able to work on this thing, you got a manual.

00:35:55.280 It shows you exactly what to do to fix things on this.

00:35:58.360 Donald Trump and J.D.

00:35:59.240 Vance have a manual, too.

00:36:00.280 It's called Project 2025, and it's a way to stick it to the middle class by giving tax 0.96

00:36:04.280 cuts to the wealthiest.

00:36:05.240 They didn't give me a manual for this.

00:36:07.400 You didn't plan on using it to fix your truck.

00:36:09.520 They didn't create that Project 2025 just to have it set around as a doorstop.

00:36:15.180 Okay, so according to LA Times, this kind of car sells for anywhere between $39,000 to $59,000.

00:36:23.960 So he's just a regular working class guy with a $60,000 automobile.

00:36:29.400 He's just like you, Batya. 0.89

00:36:31.620 That's the Walls campaign's attempt.

00:36:33.840 It's so amazing because Tim Walls is like an over-credentialed rich elite's view of what

00:36:42.120 a working class person looks like and sounds like and talks like and does in their free 0.98

00:36:46.020 time, right?

00:36:46.540 It's all acting, just like Harris, right?

00:36:49.260 She's acting.

00:36:50.340 She's acting like a vice presidential candidate. 1.00

00:36:52.500 And the point is that it doesn't matter because their base doesn't care.

00:36:57.640 Their base are those same over-credentialed college elites, those same rich people, the

00:37:02.640 Hollywood elites, you know, the tech elites, right?

00:37:05.120 People who make, you know, who work in the knowledge industry and, you know, make between

00:37:10.020 like, you know, $250 and a million dollars a year, like that is the Democrats' base.

00:37:15.140 And so to them, he doesn't have to come off as plausible to working class people.

00:37:19.440 He just has to come off as plausible to Meryl Streep, right?

00:37:22.440 That she picked the working class guy, right? 0.96

00:37:25.760 It's like it doesn't actually have to convince people who actually are working class because

00:37:31.380 they've effectively ceded those people already to Donald Trump.

00:37:33.960 That's a great point.

00:37:35.760 It was funny because this past weekend, friends of ours had this old Land Rover.

00:37:40.420 It's legit old.

00:37:41.340 It looks like an army tank.

00:37:42.940 And on the back of it, there's a bumper sticker that read,

00:37:46.840 no airbags, we die like real men. 0.92

00:37:53.520 That's great.

00:37:55.120 Which I thought was very funny.

00:37:57.240 Don't try that at home, folks.

00:37:58.620 Get an airbag.

00:37:59.260 But a very funny sort of middle finger to the, you know, overly protected, newfound safety

00:38:05.540 crew on everything.

00:38:07.900 So let's go to Kamala Harris and her outreach to the working class. 0.99

00:38:11.360 And that brings me to Oprah.

00:38:13.760 I joke, of course, since Oprah has never, I mean, I said this on Friday, like when was

00:38:19.040 the last time Oprah actually surrounded herself with actual working class people, spent any

00:38:23.020 time with them at all?

00:38:23.600 No, she's on her Montecito mansion ranch with Meghan Markle, you know, dining on mimosas

00:38:29.540 midday and taking her Ozempic.

00:38:31.460 This is not somebody, you know, the guys who actually do work on their cars can relate

00:38:35.320 to at all.

00:38:35.940 And I know you were struck by the most, and it's tough to pick, but the most inane answer

00:38:41.880 from Kamala Harris.

00:38:43.040 As so many were, this, this answer went totally viral because it's so empty and it promises

00:38:48.600 absolutely nothing.

00:38:49.580 And it somehow encapsulates everything about Kamala Harris that the left loves and the right

00:38:55.560 can't stand.

00:38:56.640 Here is that moment of her with Oprah on Thursday nights at one.

00:39:02.100 We love our country.

00:39:04.240 I love our country.

00:39:05.940 I know we all do.

00:39:06.860 That's why everybody's here right now.

00:39:08.300 We love our country.

00:39:10.780 We, we take pride in the privilege of being American.

00:39:17.240 We are an optimistic people.

00:39:20.340 Americans by character are people who have dreams and ambitions and aspirations.

00:39:29.200 We believe in what is possible.

00:39:31.240 We believe in what can be, and we believe in fighting for that.

00:39:38.080 That's how, that's how we came into being because the people before us understood that

00:39:45.020 one of the greatest expressions for the love of our country, one of the greatest expressions

00:39:51.020 of patriotism is to fight for the ideals of who we are.

00:39:56.360 By the way, I'd give her $10,000 if, if she can answer this question, name three of the founding

00:40:03.460 fathers, just three, name three.

00:40:06.020 She has no idea.

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00:40:42.660 I would say we definitely went up in quality when it comes to the person asking the questions,

00:40:48.320 though I've got a lot of criticism for Stephanie Ruhl.

00:40:52.680 I do not put her in the same category as those ABC moderators, or really even Dana Bash.

00:41:00.760 She did ask some challenging questions.

00:41:03.860 That's basically what I'm saying.

00:41:05.440 But no follow-ups, and none of the flip-flops of Kamala Harris's positions.

00:41:10.700 Like, all of this stuff is just left floating in the ether as though it's never happened.

00:41:16.280 It's just incredibly frustrating to watch.

00:41:18.460 But I'm grading on a curve here because when everyone fails the test, you know, someone's

00:41:26.520 got to be given a D+, I guess.

00:41:30.400 Look, the real story is Kamala Harris and how she answered the question.

00:41:34.580 She was terrible.

00:41:36.480 She was absolutely awful.

00:41:38.880 I actually don't really understand why she can't do the memorization trick that she did 0.99

00:41:44.860 for the debate for these interviews.

00:41:46.700 Now, she knows she's going to sit for this interview with a woman who has a business news 0.95

00:41:51.160 background.

00:41:52.140 She's just, you know, done an economic speech.

00:41:54.980 Why wouldn't you get your little note card team together and come up with a few, like,

00:42:00.460 actual answers on your economic plan, on its weaknesses that you might get asked about?

00:42:07.980 You know, I don't get it.

00:42:09.560 Unless this is that version?

00:42:11.620 And, like, those people aren't very good if they're not writing mean note cards about

00:42:17.100 Trump?

00:42:18.360 That might explain it, actually.

00:42:20.520 Okay.

00:42:20.960 There's a lot to go to.

00:42:21.980 I have the transcript here.

00:42:23.220 It started off with what I think may have been her worst answer.

00:42:28.160 I actually think I was driving in my car last night listening to SiriusXM when this was rolling.

00:42:32.720 And thank God for SiriusXM and the fact that you can get news live on SiriusXM, as a lot

00:42:37.720 of you are doing right now.

00:42:38.740 But in any event, I heard this whole interview, and in particular the one where she responded

00:42:44.000 to red tape, how are we going to get rid of government red tape?

00:42:48.220 We'll get to that.

00:42:49.080 Let's kick it off with what was probably the second worst answer of the entire thing,

00:42:52.600 and it was on question number one.

00:42:54.880 The question, you'll hear it here, was, okay, you laid out your economic vision, but a lot

00:43:00.820 of Americans don't see themselves in your plans.

00:43:03.620 What do you say to them, to Americans who don't see themselves in your plan?

00:43:08.220 Her plans are so myopic.

00:43:10.080 We talked about that one day.

00:43:11.840 I was like, basically, if you have diabetes, she's got you in mind for something.

00:43:15.840 Yay! 0.99

00:43:16.320 And now, since then, she's talking about her economic plan, covering first-time homebuyers,

00:43:23.620 K, people who are in the first year of having a baby, K, and people who want to start a small

00:43:32.320 business.

00:43:33.560 All right.

00:43:34.460 The vast, vast majority of Americans do not fall into one of those three categories.

00:43:40.520 I believe that is what Stephanie Ruhle was trying to get at. 0.99

00:43:43.520 Like, what are you going to do about the millions, the hundreds of millions of Americans who are

00:43:49.340 suffering, thanks to your policies, and your three little proposals don't cover any of them?

00:43:56.280 Would you listen to the nonsense, the repetitive nonsense?

00:44:00.920 And if you've got, you know, a vodka soda with a splash of lime right now, I challenge you to drink

00:44:07.480 every time you hear hardworking dreams, ambitions, or aspirations.

00:44:12.440 Roll it.

00:44:13.520 Madam Vice President, you just laid out your economic vision for the future.

00:44:18.340 Yeah.

00:44:18.780 But still, there are lots of Americans who don't see themselves in your plans.

00:44:24.800 For those who say these policies aren't for me, what do you say to them?

00:44:29.020 Well, if you are hardworking, if you have the dreams and the ambitions and the aspirations

00:44:41.380 of what I believe you do, you're in my plan.

00:44:46.300 You know, I have to tell you, I really love and I'm so energized by what I know to be the

00:44:55.700 spirit and character of the American people.

00:44:57.920 We have ambition.

00:44:59.340 We have aspirations.

00:45:00.880 We have dreams.

00:45:02.320 We have dreams.

00:45:02.800 We can see what's possible.

00:45:04.480 We have an incredible work ethic.

00:45:07.360 Work ethic.

00:45:07.960 But not everyone has the access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve those things.

00:45:14.960 But we don't lack for those things.

00:45:16.820 But not everyone, you know, gets handed stuff on a silver platter.

00:45:19.980 And so my vision for the economy, I call it an opportunity economy, is about making sure

00:45:25.740 that all Americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, have the ability to actually achieve

00:45:32.740 those dreams and those ambitions.

00:45:36.360 Yeah.

00:45:37.480 I mean, I'm hammered if I'm drinking at home at this point.

00:45:41.440 Okay.

00:45:42.040 So if you're hardworking, if you have the dreams, if you have the dreams and the ambitions and

00:45:46.840 the aspirations of what I believe you do, you're in my plan.

00:45:51.420 Got it?

00:45:52.200 Okay.

00:45:52.700 What does that even mean?

00:45:54.740 I have to tell you all the filler.

00:45:56.400 I really love and am so energized by what I know to be the spirit and character of the

00:46:02.520 American people.

00:46:03.160 You've said nothing.

00:46:04.660 You are wasting time with filler.

00:46:06.520 Just the little duck's legs underneath the lake, going and going and going and going and

00:46:11.300 going and going.

00:46:12.040 Nothing's happening, though.

00:46:13.440 Nothing.

00:46:15.000 Energized.

00:46:15.500 Love.

00:46:16.000 What I know to be.

00:46:16.840 Spirit.

00:46:17.280 Character.

00:46:17.660 American people.

00:46:18.400 We have ambition.

00:46:19.500 We have aspirations.

00:46:20.420 We have dreams.

00:46:21.140 We can see what's possible.

00:46:22.380 You could see the edit of her.

00:46:24.820 We can be unburdened by what has been.

00:46:26.600 You can see she's been told, don't stop.

00:46:28.300 Just stop saying that.

00:46:29.560 You can see the self-edit.

00:46:30.880 We can see what's possible.

00:46:32.820 We have an incredible work ethic.

00:46:34.760 Okay.

00:46:35.100 You already said that.

00:46:36.540 If you're hardworking, you have dreams, ambitions, and aspirations, you're in my plan.

00:46:39.960 I love it.

00:46:40.500 I'm so energized by what I know to be the spirit and character of the American people.

00:46:42.880 We have ambitions.

00:46:43.720 We have aspirations and dreams, and we have an incredible work ethic.

00:46:46.420 We can see what's possible.

00:46:48.080 So far, we've done nothing.

00:46:49.200 All right.

00:46:49.420 Is everybody with me on what she's doing here?

00:46:51.580 But not everyone has the access to the opportunities.

00:46:54.740 Again, the question was, for the people who don't see themselves in your plans, what do

00:46:59.600 you say to them?

00:47:00.040 Not everyone has access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve those things.

00:47:04.920 Achieve what things?

00:47:07.000 Ambition, dreams, and aspirations?

00:47:10.600 What things?

00:47:12.440 You haven't laid any of the things out.

00:47:17.140 Not everyone gets handed stuff on a silver platter.

00:47:20.020 You mean dreams, ambitions, and aspirations?

00:47:22.380 What?

00:47:22.460 What?

00:47:23.740 So my vision for the economy, I call it an opportunity economy.

00:47:28.040 I love how she's like, this is my phrase, this is my thing, and opportunity equality.

00:47:32.480 I mean, the true thing that she's running on is equity. 0.77

00:47:36.380 If you really read her plan, she's going back to, we don't all start in the same place,

00:47:40.380 but we absolutely have to finish in the same place.

00:47:42.940 It doesn't matter how hard you work.

00:47:44.580 It doesn't matter your level of education.

00:47:46.460 It doesn't matter how well-adjusted you are or aren't, you must end in the same place

00:47:51.460 in Kamala Harris's worldview.

00:47:53.100 That's equity.

00:47:54.120 She's on camera saying it more times than I can count.

00:47:57.280 That's what opportunity economy stands for.

00:47:59.720 In any event, she didn't say that here.

00:48:02.140 Okay.

00:48:02.700 My vision is making sure all Americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, here we go again,

00:48:11.020 have the ability to actually achieve those dreams and those ambitions.

00:48:15.000 You can feel the cringey, the cringing of her staff, can't you?

00:48:18.960 At this point, you know, they're back like, stop saying that.

00:48:24.100 It's no, we're not, we're on no card number two now, which include, okay, she's okay.

00:48:31.220 Now she's getting great.

00:48:32.560 She's getting to what the dreams and ambitions actually include, which include for middle-class

00:48:37.300 families.

00:48:37.940 Here we go.

00:48:38.660 What?

00:48:39.640 Just being able to know that their hard work allows them to get ahead, right?

00:48:45.240 Right?

00:48:45.860 I hate how she says, right, after all of her sentences, right, you know, right?

00:48:52.360 Like she said something truly profound and now we're bonding over what a soothsayer she

00:48:58.620 is, how she really sees the future for us all.

00:49:01.840 Okay.

00:49:03.020 So she's going to make sure we have the ability to actually achieve our dreams and our ambitions,

00:49:10.220 which include being able to know that our hard work allows us to get ahead.

00:49:15.340 That's what she's going to do as president. 1.00

00:49:16.860 That's amazing.

00:49:17.960 I like, I love that.

00:49:19.680 She's going to do that for me.

00:49:22.320 What other thought in my mind about how the future could be just general thought about how

00:49:28.300 I'd like to be, I'd like to be a kinder person.

00:49:31.080 I would like to be more observant in my faith.

00:49:33.740 Can she help me with that?

00:49:35.180 Maybe, maybe she'll work on those opportunities for me to actually achieve my dreams and ambitions

00:49:41.520 and my aspirations.

00:49:42.600 And then she finishes it off with, we didn't play this, but I come from the middle class.

00:49:48.420 My mother raised my sister and me.

00:49:51.240 She worked hard.

00:49:52.340 No one gives a shit about your mother.

00:49:53.780 They care about themselves.

00:49:55.000 Stop talking about your mother.

00:49:57.040 Start talking about the people who are actually suffering.

00:49:59.580 Um, okay.

00:50:01.620 So the only thing she said in the whole answer, and this was at the very end was my, so my

00:50:05.200 vision for the economy is let's deal with some of the everyday challenges that people

00:50:09.180 face and address them with common sense solutions.

00:50:11.280 And then we got these four words such as yes.

00:50:15.880 What affordable housing.

00:50:18.760 Okay.

00:50:20.240 Affordable housing.

00:50:22.280 She's gonna solve that.

00:50:24.380 We're not sure how, but she's mentioned a $25,000.

00:50:29.580 Tax break for first time home buyers only.

00:50:32.940 So if you've already owned a home, you're effed.

00:50:35.800 If you're struggling to pay your mortgage, but it happens to be your second home, you're

00:50:39.380 effed.

00:50:40.400 Um, that's it.

00:50:41.960 And then she wants to somehow create more houses. 1.00

00:50:46.180 We don't know how we'll get to that later.

00:50:48.540 Okay.

00:50:49.360 Then instead of Stephanie rule saying you did not answer any of my question, you said a

00:50:56.040 bunch of nonsense and did not get substantive.

00:50:58.900 What specifically are you going to do outside of the three myopic tiny proposals you keep

00:51:07.340 mentioning?

00:51:08.220 No, that wasn't the follow-up.

00:51:09.780 The follow-up was ready over the last four years, there have been tremendous economic wins

00:51:16.560 and you have just laid out a big plan.

00:51:19.800 What?

00:51:21.440 What?

00:51:22.200 What are the tremendous economic wins?

00:51:26.240 Was it the trillions in spending that we could not afford that drove us up to double-digit

00:51:32.860 inflation?

00:51:33.980 Was it the Inflation Reduction Act, which President Joe Biden has admitted was falsely named and

00:51:40.980 was really a climate bill, which we all knew at the time.

00:51:44.920 And I'm like, what?

00:51:45.900 That's sycophantic commenting and questioning.

00:51:48.460 It's not questioning at all.

00:51:50.000 And then she pivots to, okay, this is fine.

00:51:53.760 But still the polling shows most likely voters still think Trump is better to handle the economy.

00:51:58.620 Why do you think that is?

00:52:00.040 Okay, then she comes out with, Trump left us the worst economy since the Great Depression.

00:52:07.020 When you look at the employment numbers, to Stephanie Ruhl's credit, she says that was

00:52:10.280 during COVID.

00:52:11.900 She said employment was, she means unemployment was so high because we shut down the government

00:52:15.460 and we shut down the country.

00:52:16.920 Good for her.

00:52:18.240 Then Harris responds with lies.

00:52:20.860 Even before the pandemic, he lost manufacturing jobs.

00:52:23.960 By most people's estimates, at least 200,000.

00:52:26.860 What does that mean?

00:52:27.460 Most people.

00:52:28.020 It would be Kamala, her husband, Doug, Tim Walz, Joe Biden, because that's just not true.

00:52:34.940 That's actually a knowable fact.

00:52:37.060 It's not, doesn't have to be an estimate.

00:52:38.380 We actually can look it up.

00:52:40.200 And we don't have to look very far because CNN, which is no fan of Donald Trump, actually

00:52:46.460 fact-checked this itself, saying the loss in manufacturing jobs for Trump's entire presidency

00:52:51.940 was 178,000 manufacturing jobs.

00:52:56.260 But, but, you've got to look at when those came, okay?

00:53:02.520 Because manufacturing employment plummeted at the start of the pandemic, shedding 1.3 million

00:53:09.240 jobs in April 2020 alone.

00:53:12.780 The economy then immediately resumed adding manufacturing jobs, increasing each month from

00:53:18.820 May to December during the pandemic before a small loss in January 2021 when we were splitting

00:53:25.820 over administrations, okay?

00:53:27.620 But those gains were not enough to make up for the losses of the pandemic in March and

00:53:33.540 April.

00:53:33.940 So, what was lost, 178,000, was lost during the pandemic.

00:53:40.800 And she is wrong when she says, because Kamala Harris, you know, says, no, before the pandemic,

00:53:45.960 before the pandemic, Donald Trump lost those jobs.

00:53:49.860 That's a lie.

00:53:51.780 Stephanie Rule, I'll give her, I'll give her some slack in not having her fact check ready 1.00

00:53:57.580 because maybe she didn't, didn't know, but she was ready to say, you know, that those

00:54:05.220 unemployment numbers were caused by, by COVID.

00:54:07.620 And so, if it had been me, if I get the chance to interview Kamala Harris, you can bet I'm

00:54:10.960 going to run down what she says in response to all these issues.

00:54:13.280 And if there's any lies that she said on record, I, it's my job to fact check her.

00:54:17.200 In any event, she lied and got away with it.

00:54:19.720 There we go.

00:54:20.160 And by the way, the truth about Trump is that prior to that point, prior to the pandemic,

00:54:24.460 he presided over a gain, a gain in manufacturing jobs of 414,000, 414,000.

00:54:31.360 This is a plus for Trump, not a minus as they portrayed on MSNBC.

00:54:36.580 Okay.

00:54:37.280 She goes on to rip on his tax plan. 1.00

00:54:42.060 He cut, there are tax cuts for billionaires and top corporations, excuse me, and didn't

00:54:48.600 pay much attention to middle-class families.

00:54:50.940 All right.

00:54:51.140 Now, Stephanie Ruhl knows better.

00:54:52.700 She knows better.

00:54:53.520 She was a business reporter.

00:54:55.060 This is the truth.

00:54:56.440 All income brackets benefited substantially from Trump's tax reforms.

00:55:02.440 However, those who benefited the most were the working and middle class.

00:55:06.940 There was a long article in The Hill that laid out how, according to IRS data, if you look

00:55:14.480 at people's adjusted gross income under Trump, those who made between 15,000 and 50,000,

00:55:19.620 enjoyed an average tax cut of between 16 and 26%.

00:55:24.240 Those who made between 50 and 100,000 had a tax cut of 15 to 17% under Trump.

00:55:31.520 Those who made between 100 and 500,000 had a tax cut of 11 to 13%.

00:55:35.940 You can see the numbers are going down.

00:55:37.260 The arrow is going down.

00:55:38.320 They're still all getting tax cuts, but they're not as generous.

00:55:41.420 The more you make those who made over a million, less than 6% tax cut.

00:55:47.580 All right.

00:55:48.320 That's fine.

00:55:49.000 I mean, they had more to begin with.

00:55:50.520 I'm sure it wasn't quite as painful.

00:55:51.900 Um, it's not quite as painful for them when they have any sort of, uh, you know, tax adjustment,

00:55:57.200 but they had a tax cut indeed that was by some estimates 20% less than the tax cut given

00:56:05.760 to the working class.

00:56:06.560 So these are lies and they were not brought up.

00:56:09.220 There was no challenge whatsoever.

00:56:12.340 Um, okay.

00:56:13.260 Then rule asks her, all right, let's talk about taxes.

00:56:17.780 Those tax cuts, they expire next year.

00:56:19.900 And there are many people confused saying, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:56:22.520 Are your taxes going to go up?

00:56:23.740 You know, my tax is going to go up.

00:56:25.520 She says, and under Harris administration, at what income level should someone expect their

00:56:29.220 taxes to go up?

00:56:30.220 And Harris says, anyone making less, first of all, anyone making less than 40, 400,000 a

00:56:36.260 year, your taxes will not go up.

00:56:39.420 Okay.

00:56:40.360 Joe Biden peddled this lie too.

00:56:42.400 And do you know what happened?

00:56:43.440 Taxes did go up for everyone in the form of groceries and gas prices, everything you

00:56:51.220 buy, as you well know, energy, your electric bill, the inflationary spending that these

00:56:56.360 two did like drunken sailors for the first few years of their presidency has caused your

00:57:02.220 tax in every corner of your life.

00:57:05.940 So if you believe you weren't taxed by the Biden Harris administration, if you're making

00:57:10.600 under 400,000, which was a broken promise by Joe Biden, I got a bridge in Brooklyn, I'd

00:57:15.580 like to sell you.

00:57:17.120 Then she goes on to say, I'm going to cut taxes actually for a hundred million Americans.

00:57:20.740 She's talking about our $6,000 a year child tax credit for, for young couples with their

00:57:26.620 first year of their child's life.

00:57:28.280 JD Vance is proposing a 5,000.

00:57:30.360 It's the difference is not significant.

00:57:32.760 And by the way, um, that is not something that's going to apply to the vast majority

00:57:40.920 of Americans here again, here again.

00:57:43.580 Right.

00:57:44.180 So the she's, she's being asked a question about income tax, what's going to happen to

00:57:48.560 you?

00:57:48.660 And here she lies about if you're under 400,000, your taxes will not go up.

00:57:52.340 And then she says, I'm going to give you the child tax credit, which is just a, it's

00:57:55.720 like a present, right?

00:57:56.960 I'm going to, I'm going to give you a tax present.

00:57:59.300 So then Stephanie rule asked her a good question.

00:58:03.100 How are you going to pay for that?

00:58:04.820 You can't just give people a tax credit, like the child tax credit and just pull money off

00:58:10.600 money tree.

00:58:11.100 It's not how it works.

00:58:12.260 So how are you going to pay for it?

00:58:14.800 She says, expanding that child tax credit that you mentioned, you mentioned housing before

00:58:19.340 the 25 grand for the first time home buyers giving that, uh, extra money for a first home.

00:58:24.280 Same thing.

00:58:24.800 If you can't raise corporate taxes or, or if the GOP takes control of the Senate, and

00:58:30.660 she basically means if the GOP takes control of the Senate, and if the GOP maintains control

00:58:36.580 of the house, either one of those things will screw your plan because they're not going to

00:58:41.060 help her offer these policies without appropriate spending cuts.

00:58:46.880 That's not, that's not what the, what's going to happen.

00:58:49.080 And Stephanie rules pointing it out. 1.00

00:58:50.420 Where do you get the money to do that?

00:58:54.020 All right.

00:58:54.260 That's the question.

00:58:55.540 Where do you get the money to do that?

00:58:57.300 We have this exchange.

00:58:59.360 I, I have to revise my answer.

00:59:01.620 Maybe this is the worst.

00:59:02.640 I don't know.

00:59:03.120 There's three top contenders for worst, bad.

00:59:05.420 You watch it.

00:59:06.440 And you tell me, watch the light bulb go on after over Kamala Harris's head.

00:59:12.140 When she realizes she has no damn plan for if there's divided government and she can't 1.00

00:59:19.040 shove through her agenda.

00:59:20.540 Watch.

00:59:22.660 Expanding that child tax credit, or you mentioned housing before giving that extra money for

00:59:27.440 a first home.

00:59:28.400 If you can't raise corporate taxes, or if GOP takes control of the Senate, where do you

00:59:33.480 get the money to do that?

00:59:34.860 Do you still go forward with those plans and borrow?

00:59:36.780 Well, but we're going to have to raise corporate taxes and we're going to have to raise, we're

00:59:44.980 going to have to make sure that the biggest corporations and billionaires pay their fair

00:59:50.560 share.

00:59:50.900 That's just it.

00:59:51.960 It's about paying their fair share.

00:59:55.260 She's an idiot. 1.00

00:59:57.400 She's an idiot. 1.00

00:59:58.380 She has no idea what she's talking about.

01:00:00.380 I don't know if she understood the question.

01:00:01.980 The question is, what if you cannot get this through in a divided government so that corporations

01:00:10.420 pay more?

01:00:11.780 And the answer is, they just have to pay more.

01:00:14.340 They have to.

01:00:15.620 That's just it.

01:00:17.220 That is just it.

01:00:18.560 She sounds like one of those moronic TikTokers, you see. 1.00

01:00:22.060 That's just it.

01:00:24.060 She sounds like a four-year-old.

01:00:25.920 That's her level of understanding.

01:00:27.780 Don't believe any of these promises.

01:00:30.080 She can't do it.

01:00:33.020 She doesn't have a plan to fund it.

01:00:35.440 And to the extent that that was exposed in the MSNBC interview, good on Stephanie Ruhle.

01:00:42.140 Then they go on.

01:00:44.200 Stephanie chimes in.

01:00:45.300 Bill Gates just said this week, if he was in charge of taxes, he would have paid more.

01:00:49.600 Okay, great.

01:00:50.900 But how do you find that line to make sure corporations are paying their fair share and

01:00:54.780 they're not leaving our country?

01:00:57.220 Because if you tax them through the eyeballs, they'll leave.

01:00:58.860 Plenty of places where you can make widgets.

01:01:01.260 It doesn't have to be in the United States.

01:01:03.120 And then we get a lecture on, I work with a lot of CEOs.

01:01:06.780 I've spent a lot of time with CEOs.

01:01:09.300 Sure, Jan.

01:01:10.740 I'm going to tell you that business leaders who are actually part of the engine of America's

01:01:14.780 economy agree that people should pay their fair share.

01:01:17.940 Oh my, I can't.

01:01:21.220 I can't.

01:01:22.600 With the filler.

01:01:23.640 I can't.

01:01:25.200 So much filler.

01:01:28.020 They also agree that we should look at a plan.

01:01:30.580 When we look at a plan such as mine about investing in the middle class, investing in new industries,

01:01:36.700 bringing down costs.

01:01:38.540 What is she saying?

01:01:39.560 This is empty, empty calories.

01:01:42.980 Investing in entrepreneurs like small businesses, that the overall economy is stronger and everyone

01:01:48.340 benefits.

01:01:49.260 She said, nothing.

01:01:51.700 Part of my plan for the economy is investing in new industries in a way that we have active

01:01:55.380 partnership with the private sector.

01:01:57.380 I have worked with the private sector my entire career.

01:02:00.820 Okay, she's been in government her entire career.

01:02:03.280 I can't.

01:02:03.940 Like, all the rest goes on.

01:02:05.620 Like, I'm not going to make you go through it the way I had to last night.

01:02:08.800 And then she ends with, so you can take a nice vacation from time to time.

01:02:12.020 She said, nothing about how you avoid taxing the corporations through the eyeballs to the

01:02:19.140 point where they run, which is a real thing.

01:02:21.360 Just ask New York City where this exact thing is underway.

01:02:24.160 Ask California where this exact thing has been underway.

01:02:28.040 Okay.

01:02:29.100 Then we move on to my favorite.

01:02:30.940 This is my favorite part.

01:02:31.880 This is truly my favorite part.

01:02:33.600 This is part I was listening on SiriusXM last night and I was like, what?

01:02:36.840 What?

01:02:37.680 What?

01:02:40.320 As Sarah, my hairstylist, would say, what?

01:02:44.680 I didn't get it.

01:02:47.060 Okay, Stephanie Rule. 1.00

01:02:48.160 One of the main problems, because they were talking about buying a home, right?

01:02:54.620 And Rule's saying, for people who want to buy a home, yeah, it'd be great to get that

01:02:57.500 $25,000 kicker, only first-time homebuyers.

01:03:00.660 But it's not just affording a home.

01:03:02.380 We don't have enough homes in this country.

01:03:04.440 Absolutely right, says Kamala Rule. 0.99

01:03:06.380 And one of the main problems are regulations and rules, strict, strict rules at a local

01:03:13.240 level.

01:03:14.400 How do the feds cut through all that red tape and help the locals solve housing problems? 0.93

01:03:23.200 That's actually a good question.

01:03:25.400 How do they?

01:03:27.200 Watch this.

01:03:28.340 How does the federal government cut through all that red tape and get down to the suburbs

01:03:34.400 of Pittsburgh and say, we're going to have to build some affordable housing here?

01:03:37.080 Part of my goal and the plan would be to create 3 million new housing units for rent and for

01:03:42.560 ownership by the end of my first term.

01:03:44.440 It includes also what we have to reduce the red tape and speed up what we need to do around

01:03:54.920 building.

01:03:55.300 Some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance

01:04:00.980 to state and local governments around transit dollars and looking holistically at the connection

01:04:07.020 between that and housing and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government

01:04:12.620 can create for local and state governments to actually engage in planning in a holistic

01:04:17.080 manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people.

01:04:21.820 Okay, so how are we going to cut through the red tape?

01:04:25.180 It takes far too long.

01:04:26.960 There's too much bureaucracy.

01:04:29.460 I know we have to reduce the red tape and speed up what we need to do around building,

01:04:34.160 and that is going to require working from the federal level with the state and local government.

01:04:40.300 How?

01:04:41.680 How was the question?

01:04:43.980 That's where she should have jumped in, Stephanie. 0.71

01:04:47.540 How was the question?

01:04:49.620 Stop redefining the problem.

01:04:51.980 I just laid out the problem.

01:04:53.800 Now you're the one who's supposed to be running with solutions.

01:04:57.040 What are they?

01:04:57.980 The question, madam, was how?

01:05:01.240 And it's going to be different in different places, depending on the needs of that community,

01:05:06.660 the needs of that local government, the needs of that municipality.

01:05:10.720 But working in consultation and coordination and also around incentives that we can create.

01:05:16.580 What the fuck did you just say?

01:05:17.940 I'm sorry, I can't.

01:05:19.580 What is that?

01:05:20.860 That's not a how.

01:05:22.480 There's too much bureaucracy.

01:05:24.100 We have to reduce the red tape.

01:05:25.380 I know I said that.

01:05:26.900 Speed up what we need to do around building.

01:05:28.380 I know that was built into my question, and it's going to require working from the federal

01:05:31.700 level with the state and local governments.

01:05:32.980 I know.

01:05:33.860 I know.

01:05:34.400 How?

01:05:35.380 How?

01:05:36.100 It'll be different in different places, depending on the needs of the community, of the local

01:05:39.100 government, of the local municipality, working in consultation and coordination, and also

01:05:43.460 around incentives that we can create.

01:05:45.960 What?

01:05:46.400 And then just when you think she keeps talking, you're like, maybe, maybe she saved the best

01:05:54.140 for last.

01:05:54.700 Maybe she's got another tool in her arsenal. 1.00

01:05:57.500 Maybe she's got another trick up her sleeve.

01:05:59.380 For example.

01:06:01.560 Great.

01:06:02.460 An example.

01:06:03.420 I'll take it.

01:06:04.520 Some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance

01:06:09.580 to state and local governments.

01:06:11.840 Okay.

01:06:12.440 I'm waiting for it.

01:06:13.260 Great.

01:06:13.660 I, we're, lots of filler, but what?

01:06:16.340 Around transit dollars.

01:06:18.000 What?

01:06:19.340 What?

01:06:20.420 What?

01:06:21.360 What?

01:06:23.100 The transit dollars.

01:06:25.060 That's how she's going to get rid of the red tape, stopping home building. 1.00

01:06:30.740 Transit dollars.

01:06:32.420 And looking holistically, drink.

01:06:35.880 At the connection between that and housing.

01:06:38.820 And looking holistically, drink.

01:06:41.840 At the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state governments

01:06:46.920 to actually engage in planning in a holistic drink manner.

01:06:51.780 That includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people.

01:06:56.820 I'm down.

01:06:57.800 I'm out.

01:06:58.480 I'm out.

01:06:59.600 I've heard enough.

01:07:00.620 I can't.

01:07:01.620 I object on every level I have inside of me to object.

01:07:06.160 If you vote for that as president, then you deserve what you're going to get.

01:07:13.240 I do not deserve it.

01:07:14.340 The people who are going to vote for Trump do not deserve it.

01:07:20.180 It's a calamity how dumb this person is and that she's been placed in this position by

01:07:27.360 her party, by fiat, without anybody.

01:07:29.860 There are smart people in the Democrat party.

01:07:31.800 She's just not one of them.

01:07:32.920 They weren't allowed to run either when he was seeking to be renominated or once he got

01:07:39.840 cooed right out of office.

01:07:42.080 They elevated her for all the same DEI nonsense principles.

01:07:46.160 They put her in the vice presidency, not to mention the AG position, probably the Senate 1.00

01:07:49.740 position and certainly the DA position that led to this path in the first place.

01:07:54.700 She's not a smart person.

01:07:56.360 And that is on display every time she sits down for an interview.

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01:09:37.060 Kamala Harris won't speak to the media.

01:09:39.260 She gives these, you know, very friendly sit downs to people who she knows are avid Kamala

01:09:46.340 Harris fans, that joke of an interview on CNN, and then the Oprah thing.

01:09:52.260 She now most recently sat down with Wired, and what Wired did was ask her a bunch of questions

01:09:59.120 that had become memes on the internet.

01:10:02.280 Like, tell us about your laugh.

01:10:04.920 Tell us about what makes you joyful.

01:10:07.000 It was, I mean, it's just so frustrating.

01:10:08.820 Hard-hitting stuff.

01:10:09.480 Yeah, and then you get this.

01:10:12.680 Okay, Peter Alexander, the White House correspondent for NBC News, goes to the White House, and

01:10:20.460 maybe he could ask some tough questions of Kamala Harris.

01:10:22.920 Maybe he could ask some tough questions of Joe Biden, who had yet another senior moment,

01:10:28.100 to put it charitably, this weekend.

01:10:30.200 No, what does he do?

01:10:31.140 So, he sits down, he gets a tour of a replica of the White House from Dr. Jill Biden, and

01:10:43.080 they let this guy do this as though he's breaking real news.

01:10:48.280 Just watch what substitutes now for real journalism in America, Sot9. 0.96

01:10:52.800 Joining us for this special tour.

01:10:55.380 Hi, how are you?

01:10:56.760 Dr. Biden, welcome to the White House.

01:10:58.900 Someone who knows the place well, the First Lady. 0.96

01:11:02.160 The public tour is taking these two floors.

01:11:04.680 You live on that one.

01:11:05.540 Does that look pretty?

01:11:06.120 Is that right on?

01:11:06.740 Oh, perfect.

01:11:07.880 Yeah?

01:11:08.120 Yeah, really.

01:11:09.240 The bed's made, so.

01:11:10.860 The bed's always made.

01:11:11.940 It's perfect up there.

01:11:13.180 Why don't you try to sit in the prison?

01:11:15.280 I mean, if you.

01:11:16.160 Here we go.

01:11:16.980 If the First Lady asks, I think I sort of have an obligation to.

01:11:19.700 We'll get a picture of you.

01:11:20.940 Oblige.

01:11:22.040 Here's.

01:11:25.480 So, it's a fake Oval Office.

01:11:27.760 I'm sorry.

01:11:28.520 Like, if they had given this to some puff.

01:11:30.440 But this is the White House correspondent.

01:11:32.020 The fails on the journalists are too many to count at this point.

01:11:36.840 I really do feel it's a thumb on the scale.

01:11:40.080 Well, it's more than a thumb on the scale.

01:11:41.600 It's a bit of a philosophy, Megan.

01:11:43.080 And this is one of the core themes in my book.

01:11:45.580 And you're talking about that as lies, as artifice.

01:11:47.720 I named the book Truths for a reason.

01:11:50.620 One of the things that I actually exposed towards the start of this book hits this head on,

01:11:55.120 which is that even if you take the CEO of NPR, for example, one of the things that she

01:11:59.920 has publicly said is that in some cases, our obsession with the truth may stop us from

01:12:07.100 pursuing more important objectives like bringing people together.

01:12:10.660 Now, you and I may get irritated about that.

01:12:12.840 But before we're angry about it, let's just analyze what's at its core.

01:12:16.280 It is a skepticism of the importance of pursuing truth itself.

01:12:20.480 It is a goal, but on a list of goals and priorities where that may not at times be the top priority.

01:12:25.460 That's a worldview.

01:12:26.200 So when I'm watching that video, that's exactly what I'm seeing, which is that their goal to

01:12:30.540 sort of try their clothing on is to bring people together.

01:12:34.860 That's what they will say.

01:12:35.660 And sometimes an obsessive fixation on the truth, so an NPR CEO had to say, distracts

01:12:41.200 us from doing what may be more important.

01:12:44.220 That's a debate.

01:12:45.120 It's a debate worth having.

01:12:46.080 We can be angry about it.

01:12:47.080 But my own view, I suspect you share it, is that actually the path to bringing people

01:12:51.380 together runs through truth, the pursuit of truth, runs through free speech and open debate,

01:12:57.320 runs through the path of getting to the bottom of what's actually going on rather than giving

01:13:01.180 people the sense that they're being lied to.

01:13:03.140 That actually divides people and pushes them apart, even though the truth is at times uncomfortable.

01:13:08.340 So, you know, in any case, one of the things I try to do in writing this book is I want

01:13:12.200 to expose those best arguments for the other side because we can complain about the media

01:13:16.120 all we want.

01:13:17.000 Are they biased?

01:13:17.820 Are they putting their thumb on the scale?

01:13:19.840 Yes, they are.

01:13:20.480 But there's a root philosophy on the other side that we're up against, and it is one

01:13:24.920 that is skeptical of, if not the existence of objective truth, which some are, it's skeptical

01:13:30.660 of the importance of pursuing it when that comes into conflict with other goals that they

01:13:35.980 deem to be more important.

01:13:37.520 In the case of NPR CEO, I at least give her credit for airing that and being open about

01:13:42.600 that fact, whereas others actually are skeptical of the importance of pursuing truth but try to

01:13:46.940 pretend like they still are.

01:13:48.360 It's a deeper ideological, philosophical debate about what is the role of the news media.

01:13:54.300 Is it to seek and provide access to truth or is it something else?

01:13:58.460 And if it is something else, okay, that's a view.

01:14:01.040 Let's talk about it in the open.

01:14:02.860 That's one of the things that I aim to do in this book.

01:14:05.580 And it's part of the reason why, especially after having run for president last year and

01:14:08.960 seen the media front row from a different seat, I really felt compelled to do, which is why

01:14:13.060 we put this out.

01:14:15.020 Here is Peter Alexander doing his job behind the scenes after, what was it?

01:14:21.120 It was at the DNC or was, yeah, it was after the DNC.

01:14:24.820 So the chief, the White House correspondent for NBC News finds himself with exclusive access

01:14:30.000 to Kamala Harris, newly anointed as the Democratic nominee.

01:14:35.060 And does he, at least in that setting, shout a tough question at her?

01:14:37.960 Here's what happened.

01:14:38.500 It's like they work for the campaign.

01:15:06.860 It's like they work for, I mean, that's your chance.

01:15:09.980 Just ask one tough question.

01:15:11.300 Just ask one tough follow-up.

01:15:13.140 Vivek, there's something in the news today showing that she was asked about whether she

01:15:18.940 still holds her earlier espoused position on amnesty for so-called dreamers.

01:15:23.880 And she refused to answer.

01:15:25.720 She refused to answer Axios.

01:15:29.260 They just wouldn't take a position.

01:15:31.860 She was asked, her campaign was asked because she doesn't get asked anything, whether she still

01:15:36.140 stands by, she wants the taxpayers to fund sex change operations for illegals and also 0.97

01:15:41.520 prisoners.

01:15:42.380 And their position was, that's not something she has said in this campaign with no acknowledgement

01:15:48.820 of her latest position as espoused by her is that she's in favor.

01:15:53.320 She's never said she reversed it.

01:15:55.140 So this is the disrespect of the American voter that we just don't get to know.

01:15:59.840 They just, they just don't, they don't, they have no entitlement to understand her positions.

01:16:05.380 It's just, so there's two things going on.

01:16:06.700 One is that they believe her positions don't matter in some, in some deeper ironic sense,

01:16:11.520 Megan, that kind of is true.

01:16:12.920 Actually, I don't really see her as an ideologue anyway.

01:16:15.360 I see her as a cog in a system.

01:16:17.720 She's another puppet. 1.00

01:16:18.500 Like Biden was a puppet, frankly, like most politicians and even historical presidents have

01:16:22.940 often been puppets.

01:16:24.060 She's another puppet that's going to be wielded by the special interests that have put her up. 1.00

01:16:27.340 So in a certain sense, there's like a deep, ironic truth to the whole thing that her positions

01:16:31.620 don't actually matter, but put the cynical view to one side.

01:16:35.460 The other thing is that the disparate treatment of a lot of her statements versus things that

01:16:39.680 Donald Trump or J.D. Vance or whoever have said, right?

01:16:42.420 So you hear about the conflicts and, you know, the media's uproar over claims of what's happening

01:16:47.900 with Haitians in Springfield.

01:16:49.680 You get a cats and dogs controversy or whatever.

01:16:52.480 What about Kamala Harris making completely unfounded claims, even in this campaign, that women 1.00

01:16:57.320 are bleeding in parking lots?

01:16:59.320 Just can you provide one instance of that actually happening?

01:17:02.280 It's a pretty severe thing to say is happening in the streets of America, in front of health

01:17:07.760 care clinics that women are left to bleed in the parking lots. 1.00

01:17:10.940 Exactly stuff that she has said.

01:17:12.800 Pretty graphic, pretty specific, not a shred of evidence to suggest that type of thing is

01:17:17.300 happening.

01:17:18.240 So on one hand, if somebody makes an off the cuff comment about what's going on with

01:17:21.980 Haitians in Springfield, that's going to be the entire news cycle for an entire week,

01:17:25.900 supposedly fact-checking that without an iota of even fact-checking the things she has said

01:17:31.680 even during this campaign, many of which are factually just downright false.

01:17:36.260 There isn't a shred of evidence to support it.

01:17:38.760 And so I think the thing that's going on with Kamala Harris, a few things.

01:17:41.720 One is that she ran to the left of Bernie Sanders in the 2020 election.

01:17:46.280 I don't know if those are her actual beliefs, Megan.

01:17:48.900 I don't think she has a particular ideology.

01:17:51.780 I think it almost is giving her too much credit to call her ideological.

01:17:55.880 I think the deeper issue in American politics is that the people we elect to run the government,

01:18:00.700 they're not really even the ones running the government.

01:18:03.320 So in some sense, Biden's cognitive deficits, in the same way they weren't a bug, they were

01:18:08.200 a feature to the people who managed him.

01:18:10.560 The same thing goes for Kamala's policy deficits, right?

01:18:13.040 Her policy deficits aren't really a bug.

01:18:16.000 They're a feature for the people who control her and are likely to continue to control 1.00

01:18:20.360 her if she becomes the president. 1.00

01:18:22.920 And there's a theme near and dear to my heart.

01:18:24.660 It's not particularly a partisan point, but I do think that that's a deeper failure in

01:18:28.020 American politics.

01:18:29.280 It's, again, a core core element of what I discuss in this book is how do we restore

01:18:34.100 self-governance in our country?

01:18:36.220 It's not going to be just the fact that we're up against a candidate here.

01:18:39.780 We're up against an entire machine.

01:18:42.000 And part of the reason I'm putting this book out is I want to talk about how do we actually

01:18:45.520 dismantle that machine rather than just focusing on a candidate one at a time, which is a mistake

01:18:50.460 that I think we sometimes fall into.

01:18:52.320 Very smart.

01:18:52.900 I will say before I get into the heart of the book, the truth about Joe Biden being a

01:18:58.460 cog in the wheel appears to be evident every day because it does not appear he's actively

01:19:03.560 the president.

01:19:04.600 It really doesn't.

01:19:05.420 Every window you get into his schedule.

01:19:07.580 Um, and in fact, if the rare occasions you get to see him now, like at a cabinet meeting

01:19:13.640 for the first time in a couple of years that he let his wife run, not the vice president,

01:19:18.240 his wife, he let the first lady run. 1.00

01:19:20.900 Yeah.

01:19:21.380 Now we see him over the weekend on Saturday where there's a press conference.

01:19:25.300 We've got this group called the quad.

01:19:27.220 We're having a quad summit.

01:19:28.440 This is the group that's supposed to take on the world challenges like the rise of the

01:19:32.260 Chinese.

01:19:32.720 Chinese, it's, uh, Japan, Australia, India, and the United States.

01:19:36.660 And he gets up there and he's supposed to be introducing prime minister Modi of India,

01:19:41.860 obviously forgets.

01:19:43.300 And here's what happened.

01:19:45.040 So I want to thank you all for being here.

01:19:47.260 And now, uh, who am I introducing next?

01:19:53.420 Who's next?

01:19:54.220 Distinguished guests, the prime minister of the Republic of India.

01:20:06.980 That's so cringy.

01:20:08.840 You can see all the heads looking around there.

01:20:10.320 The people in the audience are uncomfortable.

01:20:11.960 I'm sure prime minister Modi was uncomfortable.

01:20:14.480 I mean, Vivek, who is the sitting president?

01:20:16.460 Do we know?

01:20:17.480 Well, look, I think the idea that Joe Biden is the functioning U.S.

01:20:21.180 President has been a joke for a long time.

01:20:23.160 That's not specific to this year.

01:20:24.660 That's been true for the entirety of last year and the entirety of the last three years

01:20:27.880 as well.

01:20:28.820 It's just that it became socially acceptable to say so in public once that first debate

01:20:33.120 happened and the media decided this was now inside the Overton window to talk about.

01:20:37.660 I think that, you know, this is a, it looks more like a case of elder abuse.

01:20:41.120 Now, who's committing the elder abuse?

01:20:42.480 We could, we could, we could debate it.

01:20:43.960 You brought up the case of Jill Biden looking like she's heading that cabinet meeting.

01:20:47.780 One thing I will say in Jill Biden's defense is that, you know, in Dr. Jill Biden's case,

01:20:53.760 she's gotten approximately as many votes, exactly as many votes for U.S. 0.91

01:20:58.340 president as Kamala Harris has, which is to say zero.

01:21:02.100 So I think that the idea that the Democratic Party values this is-

01:21:04.220 She actually might be the most competent among the three, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Jill.

01:21:08.680 I might actually go for Jill Biden. 1.00

01:21:10.520 The reality is the Democratic Party of the present really doesn't care about the Democratic

01:21:15.700 will of voters.

01:21:16.360 Not only do they not care about it, I think they're somewhat hostile to it.

01:21:19.860 I think the reality is they believe that voters may represent the greatest risk to a democracy,

01:21:26.820 that they may not make the right choice, which is why they're, you know, against the SAVE Act

01:21:31.920 right now.

01:21:32.760 But you could go straight down the list of policies or the way they've even conducted their

01:21:36.400 own primary process, the way in which they're making sure the U.S. president, who ultimately

01:21:40.500 even is elected, is constrained enough to make sure that he doesn't actually do something

01:21:44.940 that might represent the Democratic will of the voters, because it's this managerial

01:21:49.220 machine that's actually running the show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 29, 2024

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