Best of the Week： Megyn Breaks Down Kamala's Terrible Interview, Nicole Shanahan, Vivek Ramaswamy, and More
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Nicole Shanahan joins me this week to talk about why she left the Democratic Party and why she s now running for president in 2020 as an independent. She talks about her political evolution from a lifelong Democrat to an independent, and why it s important to know who you re voting for in the midterms.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our weekend best of special.
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We had a busy week with some of our favorite regulars and some first timers.
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One who joined me for the very first time was Nicole Shanahan.
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She's RFKJ's running mate was, I guess I should say, we got into her Make America Healthy Again
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She did that, the MAGA people ad that you may have seen everywhere, humanizing Trump supporters.
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And we got into Nicole's political evolution away from the Democratic Party.
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Also, her marriage to Sergey Brin, the guy who started Google.
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Speaking of political evolution, Bhatia Angarsargan was also with me this week to talk about the
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political realignment happening throughout this country as the working class is turning
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Oh, and Vice President Kamala Harris did an interview this week with MSNBC and she was terrible.
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I can't get over what an interesting background you have and your political evolution in particular
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Like a lot of people who are going to pull the lever for Donald Trump in November, you've
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spent most all of your life as a Democrat, supporting Democrats, even with donations and
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So tell us a little bit about your migration over to Team Red.
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And I just want to clarify, I consider myself an independent, like 51% of Americans today.
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And I very much consider myself part of that trend.
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And the power within that trend is to be able to pick a candidate based on the issues they
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represent, as well as where we'd like to see the direction of the country going.
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It's who's really thinking about Americans, putting a real understanding of the American
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family at the forefront, individual liberty at the forefront, and preserving what makes this
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And so my political evolution, really, from Democrat to independent, it's come from many
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But I will say the overarching summary is that something is very, very wrong right now in
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And there's a group of people, corporatists, cronists, you can call them what you want
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They seem to be collecting around the Democratic Party.
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And it's something I started noticing as early as eight years ago.
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And so many inconsistencies that I was seeing, even from areas of climate change, which they
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hold themselves up as caring so much about, the inconsistencies in how they handle social
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They seem to focus on these pro-crime initiatives without really fixing the economy and lifting
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So these are areas that I care so deeply about and very invested in.
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I still believe that we have to take care of our environment, care about carbon and the
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And there's ways to do it without adding toxins to our environment.
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So there's all these common sense ways to address these issues that the Democrats have
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And it's something I can no longer support in good faith.
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This reminds me so much of when I met Michael Schellenberger on this show four years ago,
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He was part of the whole Solyndra initiative at the Obama White House trying to get all
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And as someone who was drawn to that work out of his love for Mother Earth, he slowly
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but surely had the veil brought down on how these efforts that were being pushed through
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by the government were doing more harm than good.
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You know, the windmills and the solar panels and the toxins and the amount of land that
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they have to claim and vegetation and bird life and other animal life that has to be wiped
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out and really just came to it very naturally and organically.
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And that is what makes somebody a true proselytizer on certain issues, right?
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You kind of believed you were a believer only to realize you were wrong.
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Well, I actually have been working in climate change and evaded a lot of the energy projects
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because I have a background in economics and the private market will solve for energy issues
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I've studied the evolution of human innovation.
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I created an AI to study every patent humans have ever created.
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And I understand the cost basis economics of certain innovational projects.
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So energy is something that the government doesn't actually have to be involved in because
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the private market will oftentimes innovate to solve these issues.
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Obviously, there's coordination and the grid and regulatory issues.
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But in a perfect private market environment, you don't need the kind of government spend that
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the Democrats have been throwing so much money at.
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And so where I spent my time in climate work is looking at farming and soil because it's the
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only category in climate change mitigation that is a true win-win.
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If you do it right, you eliminate toxins from the environment.
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And it is an area, however, that is going to require some government assistance to get away
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from large corporate farming and large corporate centralization.
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We have to rewrite how we think about the farm bill.
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We can't keep supporting big ag and agrochemical companies.
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I mean, look, our current farm bill is going to be over a trillion dollars at this point.
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It's going to be the largest farm bill in history.
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And if they just spent 1% of that on regenerative agriculture, it would do more for climate issues
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than any of the Inflation Reduction Act or the Green New Deal would do.
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Because what we had, I watched the whole hearing, just so the audience knows, there was a great
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To Jillian Anderson, a bunch of people who our audience, sorry, Jillian Michaels, a bunch
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of people who our audience would know and have been on the show talking about some of
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Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone
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And the one publication that really wrote it up, The Atlantic, which bothered to send somebody
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to it, was absolutely sneering and disgusting in its coverage of it, calling it the woo-woo caucus.
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Because some of us have kids whose very lives are going to depend on these reforms that they
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But the reason The Atlantic has to crap on this messaging, Nicole, is they're owned by Steve
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And they decided to take a nonpartisan event that spoke about things like the soil and the
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problems and turn it into some sort of ad for Trump, which it wasn't.
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And then, without considering any of the ideas, dumped all over it.
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My office used to be around the corner from their office in Palo Alto.
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She's created something that she didn't intend to create.
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You have to recognize all the stuff we're seeing with immigration that came through her
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She's she I think at her root wants to do the right thing, but she's working with bad
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And I don't think I think she's aware of some of it, but I don't think she understands the
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And I say that because it I ran into similar issues as well when I started working in the
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I wanted to reform the infrastructure of the justice system.
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I wanted to make sure taxpayers weren't overspending on incarceration and something happened.
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I will say we do have foreign influences that are directing some of these funds in very bad
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And, you know, next thing I know, we have all these anarchists claiming to be criminal
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And they've somehow taken over our politicians who are supposed to be overseeing these funds
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Because the biggest funder is George Soros, who's not an anarchist, but he's a deeply problematic
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man who's determined to fundamentally change this country for the worst.
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I would say that some of the stuff he's done is is very much in the mindset of anarchy,
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You were saying foreign actors, foreign actors.
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So if you look at some of the things that are coming in through TikTok, TikTok's a really great
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example of how young people are being influenced today, some of the content creators are being
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Why are some of these influencers getting two hundred thousand dollars a year to talk about
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And and you look, I think that we need to do a deep, deep dive into exactly how these funds
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But in the area of criminal justice reform, you know, there's evidence that BLM, for instance,
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received money from groups affiliated with Chinese entities.
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And if you look at what BLM did to the criminal justice reform effort, which was going very well,
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And then by 2020, it turned into just this hellscape.
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And the good faith actors who are trying to fix the criminal justice system, who are making
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progress, no longer could make progress anymore.
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The DAs that were supposed to be doing this great reform work became unreachable.
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And I will say, having been on the front lines of that and seeing it and the dynamics and the
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grassroots groups and and the messaging changing and becoming radicalized, it's it sounds more
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anarchist than it does a good faith approach to making a fair justice system.
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Yeah, well, listen, I, I, I take back that George Soros was not is not an anarchist because he's
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funded enough upset and rioting across the shores of America that you could make the case just the
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But I mean, right now, he's obviously behind all these soft on crime prosecutors.
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He's behind a lot of this, the pro-Palestinian protesting that we're seeing on college campuses.
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He hasn't seen rioting or protesting in America.
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That's on a left wing cause that he doesn't want to get behind.
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His son is just like him and is now very close to the Harris Walls campaign.
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So I hope you like George Soros if you're voting for Kamala Harris, because you're going to get a
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But you, I too, I'm an independent, but I've told my audience I'm voting for Trump.
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You're able, notwithstanding coming from the left, to see the truth about the MAGA movement.
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And you put out, I think, the best ad I've seen about MAGA since it was born.
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I've had many of my friends who consider themselves MAGA forward it to me so that we would talk about
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Across the Atlantic in the North American country of the United States lies a fascinating and often
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From its northeastern cities to its mid-western towns to its expansive west, this courageous
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group of individuals are most notably known for their unwavering patriotism.
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Join us as we explore the fascinating world of the MAGA people.
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Contrary to what we had been told, we found the MAGA people to be warm, loving, and even
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As we spent time with the MAGA people, we learned that their mantra, make America great
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again, is an optimistic belief that the United States will once again prosper by returning
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to its founding principles of a government by and for the people.
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It's quite brilliant, Nicole, like the sort of the, you know, the 1950s feel of like foreign
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space alien has come down to America and investigated this odd group and so absolutely
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And there's, you're doing a series of these ads and they're all this quality and this
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Uh, we didn't hire a sophisticated team at all.
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Each of those films costs about $7,000 to produce, um, that one and TDS were my original idea.
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Um, and it's in part just comes from a place within my own being of trying to figure it out
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Uh, you have to understand, I was fully deep in the Kool-Aid of the left-wing media and believed
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everything they were telling me about MAGA being a domestic terrorist organization.
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And, um, the programming was so deep, Megan, that I would see someone with that MAGA cap on
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And this is very true for many of those who are still stuck in that mindset and stuck in
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And, um, we attempted a few approaches to the, who are the MAGA people or what is MAGA and
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none of them, um, a lot of them were like very serious.
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Some of them were, um, they didn't, they didn't sway me.
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So I needed something that was going to engage someone from my background and was going to
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deliver a gentle message, um, and was going to deliver it in a way that felt truthful.
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And, and so when we made this one, it was very much about, uh, these BBC and investigative,
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uh, anthropological studies of these other people, uh, because that's, what's happened
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in America is that we've been so divided that we're almost different clans.
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It's, it's, we have to try to figure out how to understand each other in narratives, um,
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And so these BBC anthropology trips, um, seemed like a really great way of helping us rediscover
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I think our audience knows that stands for Trump derangement syndrome, which is a real
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Are you or your loved ones suffering from illnesses such as TDS, also known as Trump derangement
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Do you dismiss or deny the current issues facing our country, such as historic inflation, illegal
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immigration, corporate corruption, world war three escalations, and the chronic disease
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Are you willing to elect someone who was the least popular vice president in modern history
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and who offers no policy or vision for America simply because your brain keeps telling you
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anyone, but Trump, if so, you might be struggling from TDS introducing independence.
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Independence allows you the freedom to finally think independently once again.
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So do these drop only on YouTube and how can we get these in front of all of your California
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So interestingly, TDS went super viral in the first 48 hours and has now been viewed close
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And then the who is the MAGA peoples didn't go quite as viral, but people used it to send
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to their family members or friends or colleagues.
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And they said, look, I know you think MAGA is a domestic terrorist organization, but just
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take two minutes of your day and watch this video because this is my understanding of who
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Um, and, and that's been really heartening for me to hear the feedback on because that
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really was the intention of these, um, short videos, just something that, you know, would
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really tickle people's, um, humor and curiosity, um, and create a forum for having open conversation
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with one another again, because it is so divided.
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Uh, we're working on one right now, which is really a love letter from my heart to moms
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and families out there, um, and to grandparents, uh, because boomers are really hard to reach
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Liberal boomers are some of the most stubborn when it comes to changing their opinion on Donald
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And, you know, this one, it's called, um, the dear dad ad and it's a family story.
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It's my family story of, of my sister-in-law, um, trying to communicate with her dad, who's
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a never Trumper there in Arizona, um, and her son, uh, little boy, Jack was severely vaccine
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Um, and, and this was a clear case of vaccine injury.
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Uh, and, you know, so dear dad is, is just this gut wrenching letter she wrote, um, that
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we're going to try to get out there and help people understand that, you know, this is one
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election cycle, but we've got bigger battles to fight right now.
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Um, we've got to uncover the depths of the corruption.
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Uh, we're not trying to, you know, throw anyone in prison for the rest of their life,
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We don't want to see any more of these one and a half year old, two and a half year old
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What's your thought on the latest round of polling in these three critical battlegrounds?
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It does seem like he's regaining some of the ground that he had before the coup that
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In general, it's a very tight race, but it does seem like Trump is polling more the way
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he did in 2016 than the way that he did in 2020.
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And Harris is behind Biden and behind Clinton in key demographics that she needs to win,
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including young voters, voters of color, especially men.
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You know, we know that polling is not always accurate.
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We know that there are people who still will not admit to pollsters that they're going to
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So in 2020, Donald Trump was polling at 8% of Black men, and he ended up winning 18% of
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So almost double the people who are willing to admit to pollsters they were going to vote
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He is now polling at 25% of Black men under the age of 50.
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And if history, recent history is any indication, that's really what I am sort of focused on,
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that so many Black men are willing to admit to pollsters.
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Actually, I see a home for myself in the MAGA movement.
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Actually, I think Donald Trump is the unifying candidate.
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Actually, I think my children have a better future under Trump than under Harris.
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To me, that is extremely significant about the shifting tides in this country.
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You know, Baja, you wrote this book, Second Class, and it takes a hard look at the working
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class of America, and how they've been forgotten by the Democrat Party, and they've migrated
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And I think you're the perfect person to ask about what happened with the Teamsters last
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The president was almost assassinated again, President Trump.
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And so, but this was a pretty extraordinary moment in Teamster history, and I realize they
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didn't wind up actually endorsing Trump, but the mere fact that they couldn't, the leadership
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couldn't endorse Harris, given that some 60% of their members wanted Trump, really does
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signal some sort of a sea change here on working class Americans.
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Let's start with Sean O'Brien, the head of the Teamsters.
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He is the first leader in modern history, in our era, the first union leader, to say,
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I'm not just going to do what the elites in the Democratic Party expect me to do.
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I'm going to represent my rank and file where they're at.
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What a concept that a leader's job is actually to reflect the people who he was elected to give
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And what he did with that power and that leadership was he asked both campaigns, can I come to
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the first night, which was the first time the nation had seen Donald Trump since the shooting,
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He didn't tell him how long he could speak for.
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It was a raucous speech, wildly pro-worker, challenging in many ways to the Republican
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These were unvetted remarks because Donald Trump wanted the representative of the Teamsters
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They banned the head of the Teamsters Union, which represents 1.3 million hardworking Americans
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from the DNC, to punish him for going out there and going to the RNC.
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You have Donald Trump out here with 60% of the Teamsters.
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You know, they didn't endorse him, but that is an endorsement, right?
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Goldman Sachs, Oprah, Meryl Streep, Dick Cheney, the deep state.
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Who wants to vote for the candidate who the people who work for the IRS are voting for?
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This is the political realignment around class lines.
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Donald Trump has cobbled together a mass populist movement of working class Americans,
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of all races, because more unifies us as Americans than divides us.
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And meanwhile, Kamala Harris is leaning into the elites who have become the Democrats' base.
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They're very, very much still in the Democrats' camp.
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The thing you have to understand, Megan, is that over a quarter of UAW members are not
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Yes, because what happened was the UAW realized that auto workers are Trump voters.
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And so they started to basically swell their ranks with college-educated elites effectively
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trying to become like one of these white-collar unions.
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When I worked at my last job and they tried to get me to join the union, my last job as
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a journalist, the union that represented them was the UAW, okay?
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Yes, there is a class divide even within the unions.
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But the union leadership in America often really does go, they play the political game
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and they're in the pocket of the Democrats and they ignore their rank and file, unlike
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And honestly, Megan, this is a watershed moment.
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You think the electricians' unions, those electricians who are all Trump voters, they're
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going to let their leaders next time around endorse a Democrat?
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They won't because they look at what Sean O'Brien did and they say, we want a leader like
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That reminds me of my mom who is constantly talking to her electrician who is definitely
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a Trump voter and she gets all sorts of information from him.
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And I'm like, Mom, have you been on the internet again?
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Here's a little bit of that for folks who missed it.
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No other nominee in the race would have invited the teamsters into this arena.
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Now, you can have whatever opinion you want, but one thing is clear.
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President Trump is a candidate who is not afraid of hearing from new, loud, and often
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And I think we all can agree, whether people like him or they don't like him, in light of
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what happened to him on Saturday, he has proven to be one tough SOB.
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Right, so that is somebody who understands working class guys' concerns, and he's not
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I mean, books should be written about John Fetterman's political career so far as a U.S.
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Like the race, the stroke, him not being able to really speak well or be understood, the
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And then as soon as he became very pro-Israel, the left turned on him, the pro-Israel right
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He reemerged as sort of this working class guy who understands their concerns.
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And now, as a Democrat in the critical state of Pennsylvania, it's not like he's endorsing
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Trump, but he is offering some hard truths about why Pennsylvanians do love Trump and
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why this state, even though it's become bluer and bluer over the past 10 years, is still
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likely or potentially at least going to go for Donald Trump.
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Kamala Harris has basically moved to Pennsylvania.
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And here's John Fetterman explaining some of what's happened with Trump there.
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And I also want people to understand, you know, and it's not science, but there is energy
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and there's kinds of anger on the ground in Pennsylvania.
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And it's not like a science that can explain it.
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Trump has created a special kind of a hold within the corn and he's remade the party and
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he has a special kind of place in Pennsylvania.
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And I think that only deepened after that first assassination.
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I don't know if you remember this, Megan, but after the debate that John Fetterman did with
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Dr. Oz, who Trump had endorsed, and Fetterman was right out the stroke.
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But everybody came out of that and was like, wow, Mehmet Oz is going to win, but not Donald
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I don't remember which adviser it was, but they later said that what Trump said was, no,
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John Fetterman is going to win because people are going to feel sorry for him.
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I mean, that shows you Trump's real genius for politics and how people operate.
00:33:21.120
You know, John Fetterman has this big stroke, you know, faces his maker and comes out like
00:33:27.660
I think it's very interesting that he's able to both stay a Democrat while facing down the
00:33:35.780
I think that shows real strength and character.
00:33:38.020
I mean, obviously, I want him to find his way to Trump and find his way to understanding
00:33:42.620
why so many of his own constituents are so solidly in the MAGA camp and why it's because
00:33:48.260
they want a better future for their children and why they're right about that.
00:33:51.260
But I do think that it takes a lot of strength to be attacked so viciously and vociferously
00:33:58.220
from your own side and still toe the line and say, no, I represent where the Democrats
00:34:04.160
And I think, Megan, even for us who are kind of on the other side of things, we should want
00:34:10.940
Like, we should want the Democratic Party that's represented by John Fetterman to fight
00:34:15.320
against rather than the Democratic Party that's represented by Rashida Tlaib, because
00:34:19.000
we should want this country to be having debates that are elevated and about the issues and are
00:34:25.080
legitimate and honest rather than whether Jews deserve to exist, right?
00:34:31.800
So the working class remains a very interesting issue in this campaign in that, yes, Kamala Harris,
00:34:37.500
if she's going to get elected, it's going to be thanks to the elites.
00:34:39.760
It's not going to be thanks to the working class with whom she's doing very poorly, especially
00:34:43.640
in comparison to Joe Biden, who did much, much better in particular with unions than
00:34:49.920
She's fallen precipitously with all these union groups that did like Joe Biden because he
00:34:56.600
And so now there is a bit of a battle still to get some of them through her vice presidential
00:35:03.000
candidate. She seems to have the big middle finger going for them, like in terms of who
00:35:09.020
she sits with, the messaging that she gives about herself.
00:35:11.840
But they sent Tim Walls out there to be sort of man of the people, you know, in his flannel
00:35:16.420
and like a real regular working class guy, like a teacher you can understand you can relate
00:35:21.000
to. And the latest effort was him this weekend, like working on his car.
00:35:27.460
He's just like a guy who works on the car and kicks the engine around.
00:35:39.520
Everything works on here, except one thing I'm still tinkering with, cruise control.
00:35:47.380
At the same time, we talk about creating an opportunity economy so that everybody can get
00:35:52.960
To be able to work on this thing, you got a manual.
00:35:55.280
It shows you exactly what to do to fix things on this.
00:36:00.280
It's called Project 2025, and it's a way to stick it to the middle class by giving tax
00:36:09.520
They didn't create that Project 2025 just to have it set around as a doorstop.
00:36:15.180
Okay, so according to LA Times, this kind of car sells for anywhere between $39,000 to $59,000.
00:36:23.960
So he's just a regular working class guy with a $60,000 automobile.
00:36:33.840
It's so amazing because Tim Walls is like an over-credentialed rich elite's view of what
00:36:42.120
a working class person looks like and sounds like and talks like and does in their free
00:36:50.340
She's acting like a vice presidential candidate.
00:36:52.500
And the point is that it doesn't matter because their base doesn't care.
00:36:57.640
Their base are those same over-credentialed college elites, those same rich people, the
00:37:02.640
Hollywood elites, you know, the tech elites, right?
00:37:05.120
People who make, you know, who work in the knowledge industry and, you know, make between
00:37:10.020
like, you know, $250 and a million dollars a year, like that is the Democrats' base.
00:37:15.140
And so to them, he doesn't have to come off as plausible to working class people.
00:37:19.440
He just has to come off as plausible to Meryl Streep, right?
00:37:25.760
It's like it doesn't actually have to convince people who actually are working class because
00:37:31.380
they've effectively ceded those people already to Donald Trump.
00:37:35.760
It was funny because this past weekend, friends of ours had this old Land Rover.
00:37:42.940
And on the back of it, there's a bumper sticker that read,
00:37:59.260
But a very funny sort of middle finger to the, you know, overly protected, newfound safety
00:38:07.900
So let's go to Kamala Harris and her outreach to the working class.
00:38:13.760
I joke, of course, since Oprah has never, I mean, I said this on Friday, like when was
00:38:19.040
the last time Oprah actually surrounded herself with actual working class people, spent any
00:38:23.600
No, she's on her Montecito mansion ranch with Meghan Markle, you know, dining on mimosas
00:38:31.460
This is not somebody, you know, the guys who actually do work on their cars can relate
00:38:35.940
And I know you were struck by the most, and it's tough to pick, but the most inane answer
00:38:43.040
As so many were, this, this answer went totally viral because it's so empty and it promises
00:38:49.580
And it somehow encapsulates everything about Kamala Harris that the left loves and the right
00:38:56.640
Here is that moment of her with Oprah on Thursday nights at one.
00:39:10.780
We, we take pride in the privilege of being American.
00:39:20.340
Americans by character are people who have dreams and ambitions and aspirations.
00:39:31.240
We believe in what can be, and we believe in fighting for that.
00:39:38.080
That's how, that's how we came into being because the people before us understood that
00:39:45.020
one of the greatest expressions for the love of our country, one of the greatest expressions
00:39:51.020
of patriotism is to fight for the ideals of who we are.
00:39:56.360
By the way, I'd give her $10,000 if, if she can answer this question, name three of the founding
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I would say we definitely went up in quality when it comes to the person asking the questions,
00:40:48.320
though I've got a lot of criticism for Stephanie Ruhl.
00:40:52.680
I do not put her in the same category as those ABC moderators, or really even Dana Bash.
00:41:05.440
But no follow-ups, and none of the flip-flops of Kamala Harris's positions.
00:41:10.700
Like, all of this stuff is just left floating in the ether as though it's never happened.
00:41:18.460
But I'm grading on a curve here because when everyone fails the test, you know, someone's
00:41:30.400
Look, the real story is Kamala Harris and how she answered the question.
00:41:38.880
I actually don't really understand why she can't do the memorization trick that she did
00:41:46.700
Now, she knows she's going to sit for this interview with a woman who has a business news
00:41:54.980
Why wouldn't you get your little note card team together and come up with a few, like,
00:42:00.460
actual answers on your economic plan, on its weaknesses that you might get asked about?
00:42:11.620
And, like, those people aren't very good if they're not writing mean note cards about
00:42:23.220
It started off with what I think may have been her worst answer.
00:42:28.160
I actually think I was driving in my car last night listening to SiriusXM when this was rolling.
00:42:32.720
And thank God for SiriusXM and the fact that you can get news live on SiriusXM, as a lot
00:42:38.740
But in any event, I heard this whole interview, and in particular the one where she responded
00:42:44.000
to red tape, how are we going to get rid of government red tape?
00:42:49.080
Let's kick it off with what was probably the second worst answer of the entire thing,
00:42:54.880
The question, you'll hear it here, was, okay, you laid out your economic vision, but a lot
00:43:00.820
of Americans don't see themselves in your plans.
00:43:03.620
What do you say to them, to Americans who don't see themselves in your plan?
00:43:11.840
I was like, basically, if you have diabetes, she's got you in mind for something.
00:43:16.320
And now, since then, she's talking about her economic plan, covering first-time homebuyers,
00:43:23.620
K, people who are in the first year of having a baby, K, and people who want to start a small
00:43:34.460
The vast, vast majority of Americans do not fall into one of those three categories.
00:43:40.520
I believe that is what Stephanie Ruhle was trying to get at.
00:43:43.520
Like, what are you going to do about the millions, the hundreds of millions of Americans who are
00:43:49.340
suffering, thanks to your policies, and your three little proposals don't cover any of them?
00:43:56.280
Would you listen to the nonsense, the repetitive nonsense?
00:44:00.920
And if you've got, you know, a vodka soda with a splash of lime right now, I challenge you to drink
00:44:07.480
every time you hear hardworking dreams, ambitions, or aspirations.
00:44:13.520
Madam Vice President, you just laid out your economic vision for the future.
00:44:18.780
But still, there are lots of Americans who don't see themselves in your plans.
00:44:24.800
For those who say these policies aren't for me, what do you say to them?
00:44:29.020
Well, if you are hardworking, if you have the dreams and the ambitions and the aspirations
00:44:46.300
You know, I have to tell you, I really love and I'm so energized by what I know to be the
00:45:07.960
But not everyone has the access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve those things.
00:45:16.820
But not everyone, you know, gets handed stuff on a silver platter.
00:45:19.980
And so my vision for the economy, I call it an opportunity economy, is about making sure
00:45:25.740
that all Americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, have the ability to actually achieve
00:45:37.480
I mean, I'm hammered if I'm drinking at home at this point.
00:45:42.040
So if you're hardworking, if you have the dreams, if you have the dreams and the ambitions and
00:45:46.840
the aspirations of what I believe you do, you're in my plan.
00:45:56.400
I really love and am so energized by what I know to be the spirit and character of the
00:46:06.520
Just the little duck's legs underneath the lake, going and going and going and going and
00:46:36.540
If you're hardworking, you have dreams, ambitions, and aspirations, you're in my plan.
00:46:40.500
I'm so energized by what I know to be the spirit and character of the American people.
00:46:43.720
We have aspirations and dreams, and we have an incredible work ethic.
00:46:51.580
But not everyone has the access to the opportunities.
00:46:54.740
Again, the question was, for the people who don't see themselves in your plans, what do
00:47:00.040
Not everyone has access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve those things.
00:47:17.140
Not everyone gets handed stuff on a silver platter.
00:47:23.740
So my vision for the economy, I call it an opportunity economy.
00:47:28.040
I love how she's like, this is my phrase, this is my thing, and opportunity equality.
00:47:32.480
I mean, the true thing that she's running on is equity.
00:47:36.380
If you really read her plan, she's going back to, we don't all start in the same place,
00:47:40.380
but we absolutely have to finish in the same place.
00:47:46.460
It doesn't matter how well-adjusted you are or aren't, you must end in the same place
00:47:54.120
She's on camera saying it more times than I can count.
00:48:02.700
My vision is making sure all Americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, here we go again,
00:48:11.020
have the ability to actually achieve those dreams and those ambitions.
00:48:15.000
You can feel the cringey, the cringing of her staff, can't you?
00:48:18.960
At this point, you know, they're back like, stop saying that.
00:48:24.100
It's no, we're not, we're on no card number two now, which include, okay, she's okay.
00:48:32.560
She's getting to what the dreams and ambitions actually include, which include for middle-class
00:48:39.640
Just being able to know that their hard work allows them to get ahead, right?
00:48:45.860
I hate how she says, right, after all of her sentences, right, you know, right?
00:48:52.360
Like she said something truly profound and now we're bonding over what a soothsayer she
00:49:03.020
So she's going to make sure we have the ability to actually achieve our dreams and our ambitions,
00:49:10.220
which include being able to know that our hard work allows us to get ahead.
00:49:22.320
What other thought in my mind about how the future could be just general thought about how
00:49:28.300
I'd like to be, I'd like to be a kinder person.
00:49:35.180
Maybe, maybe she'll work on those opportunities for me to actually achieve my dreams and ambitions
00:49:42.600
And then she finishes it off with, we didn't play this, but I come from the middle class.
00:49:57.040
Start talking about the people who are actually suffering.
00:50:01.620
So the only thing she said in the whole answer, and this was at the very end was my, so my
00:50:05.200
vision for the economy is let's deal with some of the everyday challenges that people
00:50:09.180
face and address them with common sense solutions.
00:50:24.380
We're not sure how, but she's mentioned a $25,000.
00:50:32.940
So if you've already owned a home, you're effed.
00:50:35.800
If you're struggling to pay your mortgage, but it happens to be your second home, you're
00:50:41.960
And then she wants to somehow create more houses.
00:50:49.360
Then instead of Stephanie rule saying you did not answer any of my question, you said a
00:50:58.900
What specifically are you going to do outside of the three myopic tiny proposals you keep
00:51:09.780
The follow-up was ready over the last four years, there have been tremendous economic wins
00:51:26.240
Was it the trillions in spending that we could not afford that drove us up to double-digit
00:51:33.980
Was it the Inflation Reduction Act, which President Joe Biden has admitted was falsely named and
00:51:40.980
was really a climate bill, which we all knew at the time.
00:51:53.760
But still the polling shows most likely voters still think Trump is better to handle the economy.
00:52:00.040
Okay, then she comes out with, Trump left us the worst economy since the Great Depression.
00:52:07.020
When you look at the employment numbers, to Stephanie Ruhl's credit, she says that was
00:52:11.900
She said employment was, she means unemployment was so high because we shut down the government
00:52:20.860
Even before the pandemic, he lost manufacturing jobs.
00:52:28.020
It would be Kamala, her husband, Doug, Tim Walz, Joe Biden, because that's just not true.
00:52:40.200
And we don't have to look very far because CNN, which is no fan of Donald Trump, actually
00:52:46.460
fact-checked this itself, saying the loss in manufacturing jobs for Trump's entire presidency
00:52:56.260
But, but, you've got to look at when those came, okay?
00:53:02.520
Because manufacturing employment plummeted at the start of the pandemic, shedding 1.3 million
00:53:12.780
The economy then immediately resumed adding manufacturing jobs, increasing each month from
00:53:18.820
May to December during the pandemic before a small loss in January 2021 when we were splitting
00:53:27.620
But those gains were not enough to make up for the losses of the pandemic in March and
00:53:33.940
So, what was lost, 178,000, was lost during the pandemic.
00:53:40.800
And she is wrong when she says, because Kamala Harris, you know, says, no, before the pandemic,
00:53:45.960
before the pandemic, Donald Trump lost those jobs.
00:53:51.780
Stephanie Rule, I'll give her, I'll give her some slack in not having her fact check ready
00:53:57.580
because maybe she didn't, didn't know, but she was ready to say, you know, that those
00:54:07.620
And so, if it had been me, if I get the chance to interview Kamala Harris, you can bet I'm
00:54:10.960
going to run down what she says in response to all these issues.
00:54:13.280
And if there's any lies that she said on record, I, it's my job to fact check her.
00:54:20.160
And by the way, the truth about Trump is that prior to that point, prior to the pandemic,
00:54:24.460
he presided over a gain, a gain in manufacturing jobs of 414,000, 414,000.
00:54:31.360
This is a plus for Trump, not a minus as they portrayed on MSNBC.
00:54:42.060
He cut, there are tax cuts for billionaires and top corporations, excuse me, and didn't
00:54:56.440
All income brackets benefited substantially from Trump's tax reforms.
00:55:02.440
However, those who benefited the most were the working and middle class.
00:55:06.940
There was a long article in The Hill that laid out how, according to IRS data, if you look
00:55:14.480
at people's adjusted gross income under Trump, those who made between 15,000 and 50,000,
00:55:19.620
enjoyed an average tax cut of between 16 and 26%.
00:55:24.240
Those who made between 50 and 100,000 had a tax cut of 15 to 17% under Trump.
00:55:31.520
Those who made between 100 and 500,000 had a tax cut of 11 to 13%.
00:55:38.320
They're still all getting tax cuts, but they're not as generous.
00:55:41.420
The more you make those who made over a million, less than 6% tax cut.
00:55:51.900
Um, it's not quite as painful for them when they have any sort of, uh, you know, tax adjustment,
00:55:57.200
but they had a tax cut indeed that was by some estimates 20% less than the tax cut given
00:56:06.560
So these are lies and they were not brought up.
00:56:13.260
Then rule asks her, all right, let's talk about taxes.
00:56:19.900
And there are many people confused saying, I don't know what's going to happen.
00:56:25.520
She says, and under Harris administration, at what income level should someone expect their
00:56:30.220
And Harris says, anyone making less, first of all, anyone making less than 40, 400,000 a
00:56:43.440
Taxes did go up for everyone in the form of groceries and gas prices, everything you
00:56:51.220
buy, as you well know, energy, your electric bill, the inflationary spending that these
00:56:56.360
two did like drunken sailors for the first few years of their presidency has caused your
00:57:05.940
So if you believe you weren't taxed by the Biden Harris administration, if you're making
00:57:10.600
under 400,000, which was a broken promise by Joe Biden, I got a bridge in Brooklyn, I'd
00:57:17.120
Then she goes on to say, I'm going to cut taxes actually for a hundred million Americans.
00:57:20.740
She's talking about our $6,000 a year child tax credit for, for young couples with their
00:57:32.760
And by the way, um, that is not something that's going to apply to the vast majority
00:57:44.180
So the she's, she's being asked a question about income tax, what's going to happen to
00:57:48.660
And here she lies about if you're under 400,000, your taxes will not go up.
00:57:52.340
And then she says, I'm going to give you the child tax credit, which is just a, it's
00:57:56.960
I'm going to, I'm going to give you a tax present.
00:57:59.300
So then Stephanie rule asked her a good question.
00:58:04.820
You can't just give people a tax credit, like the child tax credit and just pull money off
00:58:14.800
She says, expanding that child tax credit that you mentioned, you mentioned housing before
00:58:19.340
the 25 grand for the first time home buyers giving that, uh, extra money for a first home.
00:58:24.800
If you can't raise corporate taxes or, or if the GOP takes control of the Senate, and
00:58:30.660
she basically means if the GOP takes control of the Senate, and if the GOP maintains control
00:58:36.580
of the house, either one of those things will screw your plan because they're not going to
00:58:41.060
help her offer these policies without appropriate spending cuts.
00:58:46.880
That's not, that's not what the, what's going to happen.
00:59:06.440
And you tell me, watch the light bulb go on after over Kamala Harris's head.
00:59:12.140
When she realizes she has no damn plan for if there's divided government and she can't
00:59:22.660
Expanding that child tax credit, or you mentioned housing before giving that extra money for
00:59:28.400
If you can't raise corporate taxes, or if GOP takes control of the Senate, where do you
00:59:34.860
Do you still go forward with those plans and borrow?
00:59:36.780
Well, but we're going to have to raise corporate taxes and we're going to have to raise, we're
00:59:44.980
going to have to make sure that the biggest corporations and billionaires pay their fair
01:00:01.980
The question is, what if you cannot get this through in a divided government so that corporations
01:00:18.560
She sounds like one of those moronic TikTokers, you see.
01:00:35.440
And to the extent that that was exposed in the MSNBC interview, good on Stephanie Ruhle.
01:00:45.300
Bill Gates just said this week, if he was in charge of taxes, he would have paid more.
01:00:50.900
But how do you find that line to make sure corporations are paying their fair share and
01:00:57.220
Because if you tax them through the eyeballs, they'll leave.
01:01:03.120
And then we get a lecture on, I work with a lot of CEOs.
01:01:10.740
I'm going to tell you that business leaders who are actually part of the engine of America's
01:01:14.780
economy agree that people should pay their fair share.
01:01:30.580
When we look at a plan such as mine about investing in the middle class, investing in new industries,
01:01:42.980
Investing in entrepreneurs like small businesses, that the overall economy is stronger and everyone
01:01:51.700
Part of my plan for the economy is investing in new industries in a way that we have active
01:01:57.380
I have worked with the private sector my entire career.
01:02:00.820
Okay, she's been in government her entire career.
01:02:05.620
Like, I'm not going to make you go through it the way I had to last night.
01:02:08.800
And then she ends with, so you can take a nice vacation from time to time.
01:02:12.020
She said, nothing about how you avoid taxing the corporations through the eyeballs to the
01:02:21.360
Just ask New York City where this exact thing is underway.
01:02:24.160
Ask California where this exact thing has been underway.
01:02:33.600
This is part I was listening on SiriusXM last night and I was like, what?
01:02:48.160
One of the main problems, because they were talking about buying a home, right?
01:02:54.620
And Rule's saying, for people who want to buy a home, yeah, it'd be great to get that
01:03:06.380
And one of the main problems are regulations and rules, strict, strict rules at a local
01:03:14.400
How do the feds cut through all that red tape and help the locals solve housing problems?
01:03:28.340
How does the federal government cut through all that red tape and get down to the suburbs
01:03:34.400
of Pittsburgh and say, we're going to have to build some affordable housing here?
01:03:37.080
Part of my goal and the plan would be to create 3 million new housing units for rent and for
01:03:44.440
It includes also what we have to reduce the red tape and speed up what we need to do around
01:03:55.300
Some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance
01:04:00.980
to state and local governments around transit dollars and looking holistically at the connection
01:04:07.020
between that and housing and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government
01:04:12.620
can create for local and state governments to actually engage in planning in a holistic
01:04:17.080
manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people.
01:04:21.820
Okay, so how are we going to cut through the red tape?
01:04:29.460
I know we have to reduce the red tape and speed up what we need to do around building,
01:04:34.160
and that is going to require working from the federal level with the state and local government.
01:04:43.980
That's where she should have jumped in, Stephanie.
01:04:53.800
Now you're the one who's supposed to be running with solutions.
01:05:01.240
And it's going to be different in different places, depending on the needs of that community,
01:05:06.660
the needs of that local government, the needs of that municipality.
01:05:10.720
But working in consultation and coordination and also around incentives that we can create.
01:05:28.380
I know that was built into my question, and it's going to require working from the federal
01:05:36.100
It'll be different in different places, depending on the needs of the community, of the local
01:05:39.100
government, of the local municipality, working in consultation and coordination, and also
01:05:46.400
And then just when you think she keeps talking, you're like, maybe, maybe she saved the best
01:06:04.520
Some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance
01:06:25.060
That's how she's going to get rid of the red tape, stopping home building.
01:06:41.840
At the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state governments
01:06:46.920
to actually engage in planning in a holistic drink manner.
01:06:51.780
That includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people.
01:07:01.620
I object on every level I have inside of me to object.
01:07:06.160
If you vote for that as president, then you deserve what you're going to get.
01:07:14.340
The people who are going to vote for Trump do not deserve it.
01:07:20.180
It's a calamity how dumb this person is and that she's been placed in this position by
01:07:32.920
They weren't allowed to run either when he was seeking to be renominated or once he got
01:07:42.080
They elevated her for all the same DEI nonsense principles.
01:07:46.160
They put her in the vice presidency, not to mention the AG position, probably the Senate
01:07:49.740
position and certainly the DA position that led to this path in the first place.
01:07:56.360
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She gives these, you know, very friendly sit downs to people who she knows are avid Kamala
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Harris fans, that joke of an interview on CNN, and then the Oprah thing.
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She now most recently sat down with Wired, and what Wired did was ask her a bunch of questions
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Okay, Peter Alexander, the White House correspondent for NBC News, goes to the White House, and
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maybe he could ask some tough questions of Kamala Harris.
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Maybe he could ask some tough questions of Joe Biden, who had yet another senior moment,
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So, he sits down, he gets a tour of a replica of the White House from Dr. Jill Biden, and
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they let this guy do this as though he's breaking real news.
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Just watch what substitutes now for real journalism in America, Sot9.
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Someone who knows the place well, the First Lady.
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If the First Lady asks, I think I sort of have an obligation to.
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The fails on the journalists are too many to count at this point.
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And you're talking about that as lies, as artifice.
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One of the things that I actually exposed towards the start of this book hits this head on,
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which is that even if you take the CEO of NPR, for example, one of the things that she
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has publicly said is that in some cases, our obsession with the truth may stop us from
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pursuing more important objectives like bringing people together.
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But before we're angry about it, let's just analyze what's at its core.
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It is a skepticism of the importance of pursuing truth itself.
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It is a goal, but on a list of goals and priorities where that may not at times be the top priority.
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So when I'm watching that video, that's exactly what I'm seeing, which is that their goal to
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sort of try their clothing on is to bring people together.
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And sometimes an obsessive fixation on the truth, so an NPR CEO had to say, distracts
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But my own view, I suspect you share it, is that actually the path to bringing people
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together runs through truth, the pursuit of truth, runs through free speech and open debate,
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runs through the path of getting to the bottom of what's actually going on rather than giving
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That actually divides people and pushes them apart, even though the truth is at times uncomfortable.
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So, you know, in any case, one of the things I try to do in writing this book is I want
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to expose those best arguments for the other side because we can complain about the media
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But there's a root philosophy on the other side that we're up against, and it is one
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that is skeptical of, if not the existence of objective truth, which some are, it's skeptical
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of the importance of pursuing it when that comes into conflict with other goals that they
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In the case of NPR CEO, I at least give her credit for airing that and being open about
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that fact, whereas others actually are skeptical of the importance of pursuing truth but try to
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It's a deeper ideological, philosophical debate about what is the role of the news media.
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Is it to seek and provide access to truth or is it something else?
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And if it is something else, okay, that's a view.
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That's one of the things that I aim to do in this book.
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And it's part of the reason why, especially after having run for president last year and
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seen the media front row from a different seat, I really felt compelled to do, which is why
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Here is Peter Alexander doing his job behind the scenes after, what was it?
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It was at the DNC or was, yeah, it was after the DNC.
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So the chief, the White House correspondent for NBC News finds himself with exclusive access
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to Kamala Harris, newly anointed as the Democratic nominee.
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And does he, at least in that setting, shout a tough question at her?
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It's like they work for, I mean, that's your chance.
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Vivek, there's something in the news today showing that she was asked about whether she
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still holds her earlier espoused position on amnesty for so-called dreamers.
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She was asked, her campaign was asked because she doesn't get asked anything, whether she still
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stands by, she wants the taxpayers to fund sex change operations for illegals and also
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And their position was, that's not something she has said in this campaign with no acknowledgement
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of her latest position as espoused by her is that she's in favor.
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So this is the disrespect of the American voter that we just don't get to know.
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They just, they just don't, they don't, they have no entitlement to understand her positions.
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One is that they believe her positions don't matter in some, in some deeper ironic sense,
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Actually, I don't really see her as an ideologue anyway.
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Like Biden was a puppet, frankly, like most politicians and even historical presidents have
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She's another puppet that's going to be wielded by the special interests that have put her up.
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So in a certain sense, there's like a deep, ironic truth to the whole thing that her positions
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don't actually matter, but put the cynical view to one side.
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The other thing is that the disparate treatment of a lot of her statements versus things that
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Donald Trump or J.D. Vance or whoever have said, right?
01:16:42.420
So you hear about the conflicts and, you know, the media's uproar over claims of what's happening
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You get a cats and dogs controversy or whatever.
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What about Kamala Harris making completely unfounded claims, even in this campaign, that women
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Just can you provide one instance of that actually happening?
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It's a pretty severe thing to say is happening in the streets of America, in front of health
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care clinics that women are left to bleed in the parking lots.
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Pretty graphic, pretty specific, not a shred of evidence to suggest that type of thing is
01:17:18.240
So on one hand, if somebody makes an off the cuff comment about what's going on with
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Haitians in Springfield, that's going to be the entire news cycle for an entire week,
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supposedly fact-checking that without an iota of even fact-checking the things she has said
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even during this campaign, many of which are factually just downright false.
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And so I think the thing that's going on with Kamala Harris, a few things.
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One is that she ran to the left of Bernie Sanders in the 2020 election.
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I don't know if those are her actual beliefs, Megan.
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I think it almost is giving her too much credit to call her ideological.
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I think the deeper issue in American politics is that the people we elect to run the government,
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they're not really even the ones running the government.
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So in some sense, Biden's cognitive deficits, in the same way they weren't a bug, they were
01:18:10.560
The same thing goes for Kamala's policy deficits, right?
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They're a feature for the people who control her and are likely to continue to control
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It's not particularly a partisan point, but I do think that that's a deeper failure in
01:18:29.280
It's, again, a core core element of what I discuss in this book is how do we restore
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It's not going to be just the fact that we're up against a candidate here.
01:18:42.000
And part of the reason I'm putting this book out is I want to talk about how do we actually
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dismantle that machine rather than just focusing on a candidate one at a time, which is a mistake
01:18:52.900
I will say before I get into the heart of the book, the truth about Joe Biden being a
01:18:58.460
cog in the wheel appears to be evident every day because it does not appear he's actively
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Um, and in fact, if the rare occasions you get to see him now, like at a cabinet meeting
01:19:13.640
for the first time in a couple of years that he let his wife run, not the vice president,
01:19:21.380
Now we see him over the weekend on Saturday where there's a press conference.
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This is the group that's supposed to take on the world challenges like the rise of the
01:19:32.720
Chinese, it's, uh, Japan, Australia, India, and the United States.
01:19:36.660
And he gets up there and he's supposed to be introducing prime minister Modi of India,
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Distinguished guests, the prime minister of the Republic of India.
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You can see all the heads looking around there.
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I'm sure prime minister Modi was uncomfortable.
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Well, look, I think the idea that Joe Biden is the functioning U.S.
01:20:24.660
That's been true for the entirety of last year and the entirety of the last three years
01:20:28.820
It's just that it became socially acceptable to say so in public once that first debate
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happened and the media decided this was now inside the Overton window to talk about.
01:20:37.660
I think that, you know, this is a, it looks more like a case of elder abuse.
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You brought up the case of Jill Biden looking like she's heading that cabinet meeting.
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One thing I will say in Jill Biden's defense is that, you know, in Dr. Jill Biden's case,
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she's gotten approximately as many votes, exactly as many votes for U.S.
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president as Kamala Harris has, which is to say zero.
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So I think that the idea that the Democratic Party values this is-
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She actually might be the most competent among the three, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Jill.
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The reality is the Democratic Party of the present really doesn't care about the Democratic
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Not only do they not care about it, I think they're somewhat hostile to it.
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I think the reality is they believe that voters may represent the greatest risk to a democracy,
01:21:26.820
that they may not make the right choice, which is why they're, you know, against the SAVE Act
01:21:32.760
But you could go straight down the list of policies or the way they've even conducted their
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own primary process, the way in which they're making sure the U.S. president, who ultimately
01:21:40.500
even is elected, is constrained enough to make sure that he doesn't actually do something
01:21:44.940
that might represent the Democratic will of the voters, because it's this managerial
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