The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Trump Puts Homan at Border and Gaetz to DOJ, Bill Ackman on Elon, Vivek and DOGE

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly, and welcome to today's weekend best of special.

00:00:17.140 Oh, we had a busy week this week. Not quite as busy as the week before, but a busy one,

00:00:21.100 including my first ever interview with billionaire entrepreneur Bill Ackman,

00:00:25.440 who has had quite a political evolution over the course of 2024, culminating with his endorsement

00:00:31.240 of Donald Trump. See what he said about this next administration that Elon Musk got so happy about,

00:00:39.620 he was retweeting it. We also spoke with the EJs about Trump's new badass border czar, Tom Homan.

00:00:47.200 What a man. And the fellas from Ruthless swung by to discuss Trump's picks of Matt Gaetz as attorney

00:00:53.180 general and Tulsi Gabbard as director of national intelligence. Then on Friday, I gave you my

00:00:58.680 diagnosis of why Kamala Harris lost and what a terrible candidate she actually was. So much

00:01:06.480 more news ahead. Enjoy, and we will see you on Monday. I think it's just so innovative to go

00:01:13.860 completely Trumpian. Just keep people on their heels. Do not go with establishment types like

00:01:21.600 he tried to do the first time. And I see absolutely nothing wrong with him going with

00:01:25.600 Trump loyalists, but that term keeps getting bandied about as though it's a bad thing.

00:01:31.540 Well, actually, I think it's, uh, I call it the dream team. I'm really super impressed. We have

00:01:35.600 Elon Musk. We have a good friend of mine, Vivek, uh, Rob Suwani, who's incredibly, uh, talented.

00:01:40.620 Uh, I'd love all these. I actually been super impressed with all the picks so far.

00:01:44.300 So the New York times, the daily podcast today and the New York times itself is really wrestling

00:01:51.540 with Elon's elevation to the right hand man of the sitting president elect. They don't seem happy.

00:02:00.800 I feel like you should look at somebody like Elon who's willing to serve in any capacity for our

00:02:05.660 government and just say, thank you. But they are concerned. He's got a hundred different lawsuits

00:02:11.640 against him. How is he going to deal with those conflicts of interest? He's got all sorts of

00:02:16.360 regulatory constrictions on him that are important to our safety. You know, why can't, how can he

00:02:22.560 possibly be in this important role? What do you make of Elon being willing to serve as he is?

00:02:28.640 I think he's a great American. I think he's a great global citizen. You know, if you have to think of

00:02:33.460 a guy who's made more consequential, uh, impact on society, on everything from the, uh,

00:02:40.980 electric car to space to now neural link, uh, AI, uh, you know, he's, he's, I would say the most

00:02:47.540 important, uh, figure of our time, uh, in the non-political sphere. And now we have the benefit

00:02:53.180 of all of his talents, uh, you know, working alongside the president. I mean, it's a incredible

00:02:58.240 home run. Uh, I, I, I have not been this excited to be, uh, you know, an American, if you will,

00:03:04.480 in a very long time. And so it's, uh, amazing.

00:03:07.120 Yeah, I feel the same. And, and so what they announced last night was that Elon and Vivek

00:03:12.840 are going to work together on Doge, the department of government efficient efficiency and start

00:03:18.320 trying to find efficiencies in the biggest business of them all, the United States government

00:03:24.460 and figure out where we can tighten our belt and save some money. And yet, you know, sort of the

00:03:31.460 established Washington DC class is very upset about this because it means jobs of federal

00:03:37.720 bureaucrats and that's what runs DC. So what do you make of this idea of Doge? Trump says in the

00:03:43.420 announcement, it's going to be completely outside government. These two will not be government

00:03:46.520 employees. Yeah, I think it's a home run. Uh, you know, I've always thought of the United States is

00:03:51.140 one of the greatest. My day job is to find these really great companies that have lost their way.

00:03:55.560 And then what we try to do is bring in great new management and have them, you know, fix the

00:04:00.120 business. And, uh, that's basically what's happening here. And they're not going to have

00:04:03.500 to look far. And everyone knows the government is the most ineffective bureaucracy in the world.

00:04:09.100 Uh, our governments generally, ours has not particularly, uh, impressed us, uh, as citizens.

00:04:15.580 And now we have an opportunity, not just to find a, uh, you know, cost savings, but actually to

00:04:20.040 operate more effectively. You know, the, the analogy that Musk makes is he says, you know, think of the

00:04:25.340 government, uh, you know, as just, uh, you know, when you go get your license, you know, updated,

00:04:31.760 think about how inefficient that process is. Well, imagine the entire country being run that way.

00:04:36.800 And I think that's the opportunity and having sort of outsiders do this, you know, Elon certainly has

00:04:41.580 the playbook. You know, X was a quasi governmental, uh, agency and the way it operated in San Francisco.

00:04:47.980 And he stepped in, he, you know, took out 80, 90% of the employees and it's become a much more,

00:04:53.160 uh, effective platform software development, the various features, functionality, um, you know,

00:04:59.760 have been able to happen much more quickly under new leadership. And I think that's what we have

00:05:03.780 here. Um, and so I think it's going to be a huge boon for, uh, you know, the economy for business

00:05:09.380 generally. Uh, so, and that will help everyone. When we saw, uh, Javier Millet run for, and then

00:05:17.260 ascend to power in Argentina. A lot of us were shocked by how he spoke and the things he did

00:05:23.780 with the chainsaw that he was going to take to government and highly entertaining here. He is

00:05:29.340 this chainsaw and, um, look at this guy. I love him. So I have friends who are from Argentina and

00:05:36.980 they're absolutely thrilled with what he's doing. And he told everybody there, we're in for some

00:05:41.580 short-term pain as we try to get our enormous inflation down. But these are the things we

00:05:47.080 have to do. Here he is. This is video for the listening audience of him pulling these names

00:05:51.040 off a board, the ministry of this ministry of that and throwing them behind him. We don't need it.

00:05:55.380 It's down. It's out. And that's how I see Elon and Vivek, you know, who are supposed to go in there

00:06:01.420 and Javier, Javier Millet, our government. I had the advantage of being next to Elon in September when he

00:06:09.600 spoke on the all in podcast, um, at their summit. And I too was there and spoke on the same thing.

00:06:16.880 And he was describing what it was he would like to do if this whole thing worked out, if Trump

00:06:22.840 were elected and if he could form this doge thing, take a listen here to SOT 10.

00:06:28.260 If you could just pair two, three, four, 5% of those organizations, what kind of impact could that have?

00:06:36.020 Yeah. I mean, I think we'd need to do more than that. I think ideally, if you could shrink the

00:06:43.400 size, the size of the government with Trump, what would be a good target just in terms of like

00:06:48.100 ballpark? I mean, are you trying to get me assassinated before this even happens?

00:06:52.000 No, no. Pick a loan number. I mean, you know, there's that old phrase, go postal. I mean,

00:06:56.800 it's like they're mine. It's just saying that, that people, you know, um, had like immediately

00:07:01.040 turped, you know, tossed out with, with no severance and, and, you know, can't, could not

00:07:05.320 pay their mortgage. Then you see some reasonable off ramp, uh, where, yeah. Yeah. Um, so reasonable

00:07:10.560 off ramp where, you know, they're still, um, you know, earning, they're still receiving money,

00:07:15.400 but have like, I don't know, a year or two to, to find, to find jobs in the private sector,

00:07:19.900 which they will find. And then that will be in a different operating system.

00:07:22.920 So you heard him, Bill say, uh, when, in response to Jason, who said two, three, 4% and Elon said,

00:07:31.120 oh, it's going to be more than that. So how high do you think we could go on shaving the bureaucracy?

00:07:36.720 I think there's a massive amount of waste. Uh, and, uh, I think you're going to see fairly

00:07:41.760 dramatic change. Uh, and I think the incredibly uplifting for the people who stay, and I think

00:07:47.440 will be uplifting for the people who have the opportunity to do something new. Uh, you, as he said,

00:07:51.220 I think they're going to be quite generous with severance, making sure that people can transition,

00:07:54.560 uh, to the private sector. Uh, so I think it's gonna be good for everyone.

00:07:59.040 Yeah. What do you make of that? Because the last thing Trump wants a hundred days into his,

00:08:04.600 uh, administration is massive layoffs that run up the unemployment rate and make them look bad.

00:08:10.700 So he's not going to want that narrative in the press, even though he will want these efficiencies.

00:08:15.620 So how would you recommend they handle the offloading of these federal employees?

00:08:21.220 Sure. So what's interesting is you don't want to give people a disincentive to find a job,

00:08:26.260 right? If you just hand everyone two years severance, some people may say, okay, I'll take

00:08:29.880 the next, uh, you know, 20 months to just have fun. I'll go look for a job. And then it becomes hard

00:08:34.800 to get a job at the end of that. So I think the right approach is to give enough severance. So people

00:08:38.260 are absolutely covered, uh, between this job and the next one, and then basically pay it to them over

00:08:44.060 time. But when they find a job, pay them the balance of the severance. Let's say they give it a year

00:08:49.600 of severance. Someone finds a job a month after leaving government. Well, then they get 11 months

00:08:54.900 of salary as a bonus. People are incentivized to find, uh, their next job. And I think you have job

00:09:00.820 training. And then I, of course, there are a lot of people in government where you could probably,

00:09:04.880 you know, just instead of severance, you allow them to begin the retirement, uh, process early

00:09:09.720 and government employees are very well taken care of in terms of pension. I like that. That makes

00:09:15.760 sense. And is less scary for those worried that it might be there next on the chopping block, but we

00:09:20.640 all know there's, there are too many employees that that we have 20 people to do the job of one. And

00:09:25.520 they're, they're counting on no one paying attention to how inefficient the government is. That's it's

00:09:31.380 baked into the system that no one's going to be looking at just how much red tape that there is and

00:09:36.760 how many people we have enforcing it and how useless it is and worse than useless. It's

00:09:41.580 pernicious. It stops development. It stops business. Um, one more Elon clip. And then I want to talk

00:09:47.560 about a post you, you made on X today. He explained with SpaceX how impossible the regulatory system makes

00:09:57.380 it and really kind of said at this rate, we're never going to colonize Mars, which is one of his life

00:10:03.240 goals. We're never going to get there because when it comes to building rockets and so on, it's just

00:10:09.160 absolutely prohibitive what they make innovators go through. Here was his example. It's not 27.

00:10:15.960 The next five starship is ready to fly. We are waiting for regulatory approval.

00:10:20.220 You know, it really should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than the paper can move from

00:10:32.040 one desk to another. I mean, it's perfectly well said. And he talked just about other problems he had,

00:10:44.460 like one of the rockets dumped water. I think it was potable water. You know, it was drinkable water

00:10:50.240 on the desert as a release valve. And he got fined like $35,000 for that and went to them and said,

00:11:00.040 what are you, what are you doing? You know, I'm, we're, I'm trying to innovate. I'm working with

00:11:04.060 the government. I've been used by NASA to resupply the space station, get off of my back. And they,

00:11:10.800 they won't. It's just, those are all great examples of a, why we need reform and be what

00:11:15.500 drove him here. So what do you make of it? Look, I think actually just getting back to

00:11:20.380 what you talked about before, the context for the efficiency creation of government is one in which

00:11:25.660 I think there's going to be a huge boon in the economy. I think, you know, what's interesting is

00:11:29.640 I'm hearing from, you know, friends who control a lot of assets, invest in lots of operating companies

00:11:34.020 that the management teams of their businesses are extremely optimistic. Even those that voted against

00:11:39.660 Trump are excited about what's going to happen with the economy. So I think we're going to have

00:11:43.220 a big economic boom and actually freeing up a meaningful number of government employees to

00:11:48.000 make them available to the private sector will actually help manage the potential for inflation.

00:11:52.720 So I'm, you know, the cost cutting is one thing, but making the government more efficient on

00:11:57.920 regulatory approvals, you know, if you think about how difficult it is in America to build

00:12:01.620 a bridge, a highway, a house. And, you know, the faster, if you can accelerate construction,

00:12:08.880 obviously that has a huge impact on infrastructure, the fluidity of the economy, driving demand,

00:12:15.680 and actually I think freeing up government workers to step into some of these roles that

00:12:20.540 will be created will actually help the economy manage through this period.

00:12:24.180 It could really change their lives too, for the better. It'd be so exciting to work for one of

00:12:28.640 these innovative companies hiring new blood. These people have been stuck in these concrete jungles

00:12:33.700 in the circles of DC and maybe, maybe it's a, you know, a new leaf for them too. You wrote in that

00:12:39.600 ex post to which I referred and you mentioned that merger and acquisition activity is about to explode.

00:12:45.360 Do you think so?

00:12:47.340 Yes. So Biden administration has been, and Lena Kahn who's led the FTC, very anti sort of merger.

00:12:54.600 Uh, and, uh, the result of that, you know, many of the startups in our country don't get to a scale

00:12:59.920 where they can go public. They have to be basically sold. Uh, and if, you know, you don't allow the

00:13:05.740 Facebooks and the Googles and the other, you know, companies to make acquisitions, uh, these businesses

00:13:10.180 eventually either run out of capital or run out of opportunity. And, uh, you know, there are a lot

00:13:14.700 of big companies where meaningful synergies can be created when one business buys another, but if you

00:13:20.020 can't do a deal, uh, you have to sort of put it on hold and sort of the antitrust environment in the

00:13:23.920 last four years was one in which, uh, you wouldn't even try to do a transaction. I think that's going

00:13:29.000 to change. And so there's sort of a, a long list of transactions that are waiting to happen in the

00:13:34.880 event there's a change administration. And now that, uh, you know, post November 5th, you'll see

00:13:38.840 very aggressive announcements and, and the benefit of a merger beyond just the synergies is that often

00:13:44.200 it's an opportunity for the people who invested in the first company, the company being acquired

00:13:48.560 to take their capital and redeploy that and something else, it's going to free a lot of capital

00:13:52.540 in the economy. That's going to put money into the, you know, in the system that's going to fuel

00:13:57.540 growth, you know, so it's, it's going to be a pretty exciting time for the country for sure.

00:14:02.360 What are, what are you hearing about non-U.S. companies looking at America right now?

00:14:07.480 Uh, I think they're frightened, I guess I would say they're frightened to the extent they don't have

00:14:12.340 a presence in the United States. I mean, the U.S. is going to be the best economy. We really are

00:14:16.220 one of the best economies in the world right now, certainly the best large economy in the world.

00:14:19.440 You know, China is in a lot of trouble. This whole European continent is really, you know,

00:14:24.480 kind of struggling. So we're kind of the best, uh, you know, economy and it's got, that's going

00:14:30.220 to change in an even more positive way. And Trump, as we know, is very America first. Uh, and if you

00:14:36.240 don't have a presence here, uh, you're at risk of tariffs being put on your goods. So we're hearing

00:14:41.140 foreign companies that don't have a presence here looking for an ability to immediately have a

00:14:46.720 presence, uh, so that they're not locked out of the U.S. economy. And that of course is also going

00:14:50.400 to bring jobs here and drive growth. Hmm. We saw an announcement right after Trump won that

00:14:56.320 certain companies, Steve Madden was one, but he wasn't the only one, um, had already decided that

00:15:02.540 they would not build a plant in China as they'd been considering doing. Now that particular company

00:15:07.960 didn't say I'll build it in the United States. He went to another country, but it wasn't one of our

00:15:11.540 enemies. It wasn't somebody who's actively working against us like the Chinese are. So that was a,

00:15:16.580 a, a bit of good news too. I wonder how many more U S companies like that, or even foreign companies

00:15:23.220 like that will, maybe they won't move to the, to the States to build their companies, but they'll avoid

00:15:28.100 enriching one of our enemies. And that too is a, is a plus for us. Yeah. Look, I'm, uh, very,

00:15:35.700 very bullish on the Trump administration as I think is the entire business community and business is sort

00:15:40.940 of a confidence game and people lose confidence. They don't hire people. They don't make investments.

00:15:45.640 They decide not to build the next factory, build the next building. All of that is the opposite is

00:15:51.780 happening. People are actually hiring people in anticipation of growth. Uh, they're making, they're

00:15:56.560 increasing their, you know, estimates of what the revenues will be in the next 12 months. And that has a

00:16:02.760 very powerful self-fulfilling effect. Uh, so, you know, you're seeing interesting things,

00:16:06.620 obviously, uh, on the economy, you're also seeing our enemies, you know, Ron, I just read this morning,

00:16:12.000 uh, is tabled their response to Israel and is talking about, uh, you know, a negotiation with the U S

00:16:18.500 I mean, it just shows the importance of having strength, uh, in the white house.

00:16:23.520 Mm-hmm. What, what do you make of, have you given any thought to Trump's tariff proposals? Because those

00:16:29.720 have been controversial, uh, with some in the business community. And some people got burned by,

00:16:35.080 I mean, I, I remember some agriculture workers saying that the tariffs he had in place first

00:16:40.120 time around really hurt them, some farmers. So, but you know, this is crux, a critical piece of

00:16:45.560 his plan. So what do you make of his proposed tariffs? Sure. I think Trump used tariffs. Uh,

00:16:52.180 I think you have to think about the context, right? The context was world war II. Uh, the rest of the

00:16:57.640 world was decimated and Marshall plan. We helped rebuild, uh, Europe, you know, Japan had to recover

00:17:03.540 from, you know, the destruction of the war and all of these governments put in place tariffs to kind

00:17:08.220 of protect their home markets. And that allowed, you know, their economies to recover. That allowed

00:17:12.980 Japan to develop an auto industry. And, uh, now what's interesting is those tariffs stayed in place

00:17:18.300 even when Japan became, you know, one of the most successful, built one of the most successful auto

00:17:22.860 industries in the world. And Europe, you know, if you think about, uh, BMW, Mercedes and all the various,

00:17:27.820 uh, very successful auto companies in Europe, they've had the benefit of tariffs versus the U S

00:17:32.720 and that goes for everything from, you know, food and wine and so on and so forth. And I think,

00:17:37.260 you know, you know, United States has been a very open market to the rest of the world. And I think

00:17:41.840 Trump's view is, look, if they're going to use tariffs, we should too. And let's use tariffs as a

00:17:47.160 way to, you know, make the world, you know, get rid of tariffs that are out there. So I think it's a

00:17:50.620 very important negotiating tool. Uh, and, uh, you know, I think, uh, I think it'll be very

00:17:57.140 effective in using it. Now there's risk associated with tariffs, right? If the response to more

00:18:01.960 tariffs from the U S is that our, you know, the, uh, foreign governments decide to put even more

00:18:06.920 tariffs on their own home markets, you can get into sort of a downward spiral, which is very negative

00:18:11.500 for the economy. Uh, but, uh, I think he's pretty smart and sophisticated. I think he'll have a very

00:18:16.360 capable team working with him. Uh, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. And, uh,

00:18:20.780 you know, his goal, of course, look, I think president Trump's goal fundamentally is to be

00:18:24.540 one of the great, it's a, be the greatest president of all time, right. That has to be his ambition.

00:18:28.680 And, you know, obviously the economy is, you know, if not the most important, you know,

00:18:32.540 certainly one or two. And, uh, uh, I would say it's probably the most important issue and it's

00:18:37.240 something he knows a lot about and he's going to build a very capable team and I'm just confident

00:18:41.500 he's going to execute well. Well, I know you have been a registered Democrat for most, if not all of

00:18:48.640 your adult life. And when you said, but I'm voting for Donald Trump this time, one of the things you

00:18:54.080 pointed out was if you wanted to destroy this country, one of the things you would do is open

00:18:59.480 the borders. You would just let this influx of migrants come into the country, come into the cities.

00:19:05.020 And while we talk a lot about illegal immigration on this show and elsewhere,

00:19:08.480 it's different when you actually go, you zoom into a community, Springfield, Ohio was one during

00:19:16.940 this election cycle, but there are many others and see how that influx is actually changing the way

00:19:22.540 people live without their consent or approval. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's a problem. You know,

00:19:29.540 we have a very small version of that in New York city where I live. Um, but it's, you know,

00:19:33.480 200,000 people in a city of 11 million, uh, Springfield, I think it was 20,000 people in

00:19:38.540 the city of 40,000. Uh, so obviously, but even in New York, it's had a very significant impact.

00:19:44.500 Did you see what mayor Adams said, uh, today or yesterday, I think it was where he said

00:19:49.020 he's not ruling out working with the Trump administration to try to deal with this problem.

00:19:53.520 New York is overwhelmed. There are way too many illegal immigrants. We already have our problems.

00:19:59.220 It's not like New York was running super efficiently prior to all these buses and flights bringing all

00:20:05.160 these illegal aliens up here. Look, the, the interesting thing is that this is, you know,

00:20:10.860 arguably, I certainly believe it to be the best place, best country in the world. And, you know,

00:20:15.460 you see how many millions of people want to come here. And when you have the opportunity of millions

00:20:19.100 of people coming to your country and you actually, immigration is important for growth for, you know,

00:20:23.220 bringing in talent and so on and so forth, you want to have policies that let in the people you want to

00:20:27.860 let in. Uh, and in fact, the way our policies work today, uh, you know, my wife runs a really

00:20:32.960 interesting company and she has a very talented collection of, you know, MIT PhDs, uh, that she

00:20:39.060 used to, uh, you know, teach when she was a professor. Now she's hired many of them, but many

00:20:43.440 of them are from Germany, other places around the world. And just the challenges and trying to get

00:20:47.000 these incredibly well-educated, educated in America, brilliant minds, uh, you know, obviously no

00:20:53.360 criminal records, uh, you know, they're going to help advance our society. It's hard to, you know,

00:20:58.000 can take a year or two, if not more, uh, to bring them into the country. If you, if you can do so,

00:21:03.360 meanwhile, we've allowed, uh, sort of unvetted people walk across the border and then we provide

00:21:08.400 subsidies when they get here. Uh, so it's, it's the reverse of a sensible immigration policy. We

00:21:13.260 should take advantage of the fact that this is an incredibly desirable country and we should pick

00:21:17.080 and choose the right people and we should vet them carefully. And we, we need to, I mean,

00:21:20.120 you know, one of the things I'm hoping from, from Doge, if you will, if you, you know, if you went

00:21:24.800 to MIT, you don't have a criminal record and you've got a job at, uh, you know, an interesting

00:21:30.260 company in the United States, or you want to build a business here, uh, it should be, you know, 30 day

00:21:34.960 process to vet you, right? It shouldn't be a year or two years. We should make it really, really easy

00:21:40.560 for the best and brightest to come to America. And we should make it difficult for criminals to cross

00:21:44.540 the border. If not, you know, make it impossible. Gates for the, for the listening audience is,

00:21:52.520 is controversial for a number of reasons. Um, he is definitely a professional shit stirrer.

00:21:58.620 He is fiercely loyal to Donald Trump. Um, he actually is a very effective cross examiner.

00:22:07.340 Uh, and that I, now I am realizing comes from his, his time as a lawyer, but he's very good when

00:22:13.700 he's, when he's going after somebody on Capitol Hill at these hearings, but he is also, uh, in

00:22:19.720 immersed in controversy. Some salacious allegations have been made against him by the DOJ, which then

00:22:25.740 decided not to pursue charges. Gates has denied these charges. We can talk about them, but still

00:22:31.480 under investigation by the house ethics committee or oversight committee. Now that's done because he

00:22:36.780 resigned yesterday when this news came out, but it's going to come up if he goes through a

00:22:41.780 confirmation hearing. And then also something probably closer to your hearts, you guys, he

00:22:48.700 took down Kevin McCarthy and as house speaker, uh, over on the Republican side, and then kind of

00:22:55.780 didn't really have a solution ready to go once Kevin McCarthy fell. But this is one of the reasons why

00:23:01.900 a lot of the so-called established establishment Republicans hate him. And therefore it is,

00:23:07.780 let's say far from a guarantee that he will be confirmed because we already have Murkowski and

00:23:13.780 Collins on the record seeming to say it's a no, they can't afford to lose too many others.

00:23:19.220 And you know, you've got some squishes over there when it comes to these kinds of people. So I don't

00:23:25.320 know. Andy McCarthy says, why are we even engaging in this debate? He's never going to be confirmed.

00:23:29.360 So this is all pointless. So who wants to take it? Any of those?

00:23:33.040 Well, I look, all of that is true. Everything you said is true. And he, look, he's dedicated

00:23:37.560 his entirety of his congressional career to creating enemies, mostly from within, like mostly within his

00:23:43.860 own party and kind of go way beyond the establishment of your own party. Uh, he's just not played by anybody's

00:23:49.780 rules, which I imagine probably makes him pretty popular amongst the American people, certainly outside

00:23:54.640 the beltway. The problem is, as you suggested, at some point you have to figure out how to get 51

00:23:59.060 votes to get confirmed as attorney general. I think we may have talked about this, you know,

00:24:03.140 months and months and months ago, Megan, is that Donald Trump's nominee to be attorney general was

00:24:08.860 always going to be the most controversial of them all. It was going to be the most difficult because

00:24:13.780 of this hardened democratic opposition to it. Some concerns lingering on the Republican side about

00:24:19.740 what he would do with the department of justice. And so like I, he just went full Leroy Jenkins on it.

00:24:25.160 And it was like, if you're gonna, if you're, if you're gonna be controversial and let's make it

00:24:30.180 the most controversial. And that's where we're at. I do think the only thing that I'm concerned

00:24:36.380 about from a Trump standpoint is how much political capital do you use on this stuff there? He's got

00:24:41.720 four years and you got to figure out how to get a whole bunch of things done in the first six,

00:24:46.860 eight months. And political capital is at its highest when you win an election, certainly in the

00:24:51.480 fashion that he did. And you begin to drain political capital out of it with each thing

00:24:56.600 that you do that becomes controversial that you have to actually use the power of the presidency

00:25:01.040 to try to get through. Using too much on this in what may very well be something that just can't be

00:25:07.660 done concerns me a little bit because there's a whole bunch of things about that Trump agenda

00:25:11.340 the American people really, really want him to spend all of his political capital getting.

00:25:15.260 Yeah. But you know, he has earned the right to pick who he wants. He had a huge win last Tuesday

00:25:21.520 and he has a mandate to pick whoever he wants. And the Senate is going to consider them and we'll see

00:25:27.760 what happens. But I mean, if you look at Gates, like you said, he can cross examine. The guy is not

00:25:32.700 without talent. And if you look at the beginning of his career, he is a guy who supported Jeb Bush in

00:25:39.840 2016, which I think is why comfortably Smug likes him so much. Smug really liked Jeb.

00:25:44.640 So I look at the same data that Ashbrook and Holmes are presenting and I think it's accurate,

00:25:51.820 but my conclusion is completely different. President Trump did come away with an absolute

00:25:56.080 mandate, which is why I think every one of these senators should be on board with it. And like

00:26:00.220 Holmes said, there's a small window where Trump can act and it's even shorter than four years.

00:26:05.860 It's even shorter than two years. It's probably the first hundred days where you can really move the

00:26:09.480 ball before you start getting all the opposing forces organized and trying to stop

00:26:14.560 Trump's agenda, which is why I think Matt Gaetz would be the perfect person you want in place

00:26:18.980 in those first hundred days. I think what most of these people are afraid of is,

00:26:21.780 oh God, we have the Department of Justice and we used it to go after conservatives. We used it to go

00:26:27.100 after Trump. You know, you had Merrick Garland calling parents who would show up to school board

00:26:31.480 meetings, domestic terrorists. So we don't need to send, you know, the same old, same old.

00:26:35.920 We need to send the message that, hey, that time is up. There's a new sheriff in town.

00:26:39.620 I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with you. Smug, I was never really a Matt Gaetz fan.

00:26:49.960 I was never really a huge Matt Gaetz person at all. I haven't really spent any time thinking about

00:26:55.320 him other than with that whole Kevin McCarthy defenestration thing. But I know that there are

00:27:00.720 allegations against him. There are no charges. So that's that. I mean, they weren't able to make

00:27:05.260 any charges and it involved his alleged relationship with a 17 year old girl, which he's denied.

00:27:10.140 And then they were accusing him of sex trafficking. He went on, he denied this. This is the thing he

00:27:14.000 went on Tucker about a long time ago. He answered the charge. He says bullshit and didn't go anywhere.

00:27:18.420 So, I mean, that's that. We'll see what the house says if there's something more. But if there was

00:27:22.460 something seriously more, we would have seen a charge. But what I look at is two things. Number one,

00:27:28.460 and I tweeted this out yesterday. If you are Donald Trump and your chosen attorney general

00:27:34.020 has turned you over to Robert Mueller, who then ruined your first term as president with a bunch of

00:27:41.540 bullshit, then you leave office. And the next guy's attorney general is behind not one, but two

00:27:49.320 criminal prosecutions of you. And his DOJ is cooperating with not one, but two state prosecutions

00:27:56.520 of you in a bridge that's never been crossed in our 250 year history as a nation. Then I too might

00:28:06.240 prize loyalty to me above all other qualities and go with a guy like Matt Gaetz, who can blame Trump

00:28:14.380 for trying to pick the most loyal soldier he can find for this position. And then point two is what

00:28:22.480 you just said, smug. Eric Holder was a partisan hack loser. And so is Merrick Garland, partisan hack

00:28:31.060 loser. So what do I, I don't care. Like at this point, I'm like, you know what? F you people get

00:28:36.580 the fighter in there. The gloves are off. You took them off. Now Trump's brought in his own guy with

00:28:42.200 the brass knuckles. It's on. Yeah. That's the greatest fear of Democrats is that other people

00:28:47.200 will do to them what they've been doing to the American people and Trump picking people who are

00:28:51.520 loyal to him is exactly what the American people want. That's why he has the popular vote on top

00:28:56.740 of the electoral college in his victory. He needs to send people who will execute his vision 100%.

00:29:02.280 And if he sees Matt Gaetz as a loyalist, who's willing to accomplish that, I'm 100% on board.

00:29:08.020 I don't blame him, Duncan, for being a little squeamish about, you know, some rando establishment

00:29:14.220 attorney general. Sorry, Ashbrook, I interrupt you. You go. Um, go, go, go. I mean, it, what I,

00:29:21.340 like I was saying, it's going to take a very, very strong person to fix these gigantic problems

00:29:25.380 at DOJ and Gaetz will take a meat ax to it. You can, you can bet on that. And if he doesn't get

00:29:31.040 there, Trump will find somebody else who will do the exact same thing to, because these problems have

00:29:36.300 to be addressed. That's why he was elected. Go ahead. Oh, okay. I can see you looking at me,

00:29:41.680 Michael. I heard you there, uh, Megan. Am I squeamish about it? No, I just reinforce

00:29:48.100 Holmes's, um, take on this. It's like, you don't want to waste political capital and things that

00:29:54.640 aren't going to happen. I agree with everything that smug said. And in fact, I think that it goes

00:29:58.740 deeper than that. You go back and look at what James Comey did at the beginning of Trump's first

00:30:02.040 administration, where he basically went to Trump tower to president elect Donald Trump and tried to

00:30:07.060 entrap him and gave him oppo research generated by the Hillary Clinton campaign and said, Hey,

00:30:12.220 did you pee on Russian prostitutes? And then he scurried back down to his car and typed out a bunch

00:30:19.140 of notes and tried to leak it to the media to get a special counsel appointed. So I I'm all for that

00:30:25.420 and rooting out all of the deep state bureaucracy at DOJ and the FBI and all of those sorts of things.

00:30:30.880 I just don't want to waste any time. The thing that makes me squeamish is trying to get a Gates

00:30:36.980 through. And we waste a lot of time solving these problems because like you said, Susan Collins,

00:30:42.960 Murkowski, like that's just political reality. There are people who are going to not support him. And I

00:30:47.880 saw Dick Durbin, uh, this morning, uh, you know, telling the house ethics committee that he'd love to

00:30:53.760 see that report for the hearings against Matt Gates. And I mean, it'll just, it's going to be a circus.

00:30:58.720 That's all I'm saying. A circus. So just to be clear, uh, Susan Collins, the reports are that

00:31:03.900 she will oppose Murkowski said, quote, we need to have a serious attorney general. And I'm looking

00:31:08.720 forward to the opportunity to consider somebody that is serious. This one, this one was not on

00:31:14.280 my bingo card. So she hasn't said no, but she certainly sounds like a no. Then Senator Tom Tillis,

00:31:19.480 Republican of North Carolina. He didn't say no, but he said the following. I have very few skills.

00:31:23.660 Vote counting is one. And I think he's got a lot of work to do to get to 50.

00:31:27.840 Um, so it's really about the Republicans. There's, uh, this, this is on the record from

00:31:33.380 Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, who dodged Politico's question on Gates saying,

00:31:39.580 I'm trying to go fix a toilet between getting back for a vote. Life's a little hectic right now.

00:31:50.840 Megan, that's what you're seeing. And I think, look,

00:31:54.420 there's an issue at the beginning of every administration in that what you would like to

00:31:59.320 do is you take your political capital, take the mandate that the American people gave you

00:32:03.320 and put your hardened opposition in a very difficult place. And I think Donald Trump has

00:32:07.480 got the opportunity to literally break the democratic party. I mean, you look at all of

00:32:11.880 the recriminations of Joe Biden's faults, Barack Obama's fault. It's George Clooney's fault. It's

00:32:16.280 Hollywood's fault. It's Oprah's fault. Like they're all blaming everybody. They don't know.

00:32:20.180 You hear people saying like, Oh, we've got to moderate on social issues or we've got to be

00:32:24.840 more clear populist opposition to big business. They don't know what the hell to do. They don't

00:32:29.740 have an identity at all. But the conversation that we're having right now is a conversation

00:32:34.160 about Donald Trump versus Republicans. And I think if you're doing that for a prolonged period of time

00:32:40.000 at the beginning of an administration, you're sort of missing the opportunity to sort of forever

00:32:46.060 change, not only the policy that comes after, but, but the political dynamic in which Democrats live

00:32:52.780 in, which they're very, very uncomfortable with, provided you have a United Republican party that

00:32:57.480 is absolutely beating the drum on them. And it just makes, it makes Dick Durbin's job easier.

00:33:03.760 It makes Chuck Schumer's job easier when we're arguing amongst ourselves. And I understand.

00:33:09.480 So what you're saying, Holmes, is, is he can go provocative, but he can't go full on nuclear.

00:33:13.960 Yeah. I think he can do whatever the hell he wants. You just have to know that in the backdrop of all

00:33:19.560 of that is that each one of these United States senators wake up every morning and see a president

00:33:24.540 of the United States in their own mirrors, right? All of them are elected statewide. Many of them

00:33:29.020 were elected. Everyone that we just mentioned on this program were, were mentioned, were elected

00:33:34.380 before Donald Trump ever came around. Right. So like you have to try to figure out what is the best use

00:33:41.980 of your political capital. And if it's Matt Gaetz, if they decided it's Matt Gaetz, well,

00:33:46.080 then it is Matt Gaetz. And then we'll see how that whole thing plays out. But I just worry about

00:33:50.700 sort of the underpinning of that. But, you know, you mentioned, I think it was you, Duncan or

00:33:55.120 Ashbrook, you mentioned the, uh, the FBI and that's another thing. I mean, the FBI is,

00:33:59.200 is within the DOJ and that's the organization that raided Mar-a-Lago and tried to humiliate him.

00:34:06.040 That's the organization that spied on church goers under Joe Biden to see if we were wearing our

00:34:13.220 masks. That is the organization that Biden pulled in to discuss whether parents objecting to the

00:34:19.140 masks and the mandates and the school lockdowns were domestic terrorists. And that is the organization

00:34:25.120 that most Republicans believe needs to be shredded down to the studs and rebuilt fresh from scratch

00:34:32.240 to focus on only one thing, which is law enforcement and, and not these investigations

00:34:36.960 and so on. Um, that is probably part of this too. You know, there was a, uh, report, I think it was

00:34:43.960 Politico today, I think, uh, where, did you see the guy who runs poly market had an FBI rate? The FBI

00:34:52.720 raided his house this morning at 6 AM and took his phone and other, uh, things. And apparently one source

00:34:59.940 close to Trump world, uh, in an interview to, I'll, I'll figure out what's political or Axios. I get

00:35:06.280 them confused said he picked, it was Axios. He picked Mac Gates to stop shit like that. Like

00:35:14.060 just to rate or look at what happened to James O'Keefe, right? Like they're trying to harass him.

00:35:19.940 The FBI showed up and, and it raided his house too. After he was reporting on the Ashley Biden diary.

00:35:25.200 I mean, we've really had some rogue FBI behavior here and I can see why they think you don't want

00:35:33.600 a perfectly polite, you know, Queens, English pinky out tea sipping lawyer to run herd over these guys.

00:35:43.880 And that's the thing is I, it's frustrating that you have Republicans in the Senate who always wonder,

00:35:49.580 oh, wouldn't, wouldn't this cost some problems? And the Democrats never thought, well, this cost

00:35:54.620 some problems when they sent Merrick Garland when, who wasn't fit for the Supreme court. So he's not

00:35:59.020 there when they sent Eric Holder, who since running, uh, the department of justice has gone on to

00:36:04.380 essentially start a dark money group that gerrymanders districts across America. So

00:36:08.860 conservatives can't have their voice heard. So we need to stop thinking about, oh, would this cost

00:36:13.420 some problems? Am I going to have a tough press conference and think about what could we gain from

00:36:17.960 having Matt Gates there? If he shows up day one at the FBI and says, anyone who has a problem with

00:36:22.900 me, get up and leave. And you see half the people in that building leave. That's a huge win. That's

00:36:28.140 a solution. Yeah. I guess at the end of the day, what I would prefer is that like the opposition,

00:36:33.880 to use an analogy from golf, you're playing a heads up match against somebody. They take out the

00:36:39.060 driver and they hit it into the water and they're out of bounds. Pull the five, pull a five iron and get

00:36:44.400 down the middle of the fairway and go and use your political capital on, I don't know,

00:36:50.020 deportations, a 70, 30 issue in this country, fixing the economy, ending the wars. Those things

00:36:56.740 are worth using your political. He doesn't need to. How does he, how does he, what do you, what do you

00:37:01.620 mean? He, he already has the public support on those issues. So he doesn't have to burn political

00:37:06.980 capital to do those things. Well, what I'm saying is the Democrats on the deportation issue will make

00:37:13.200 it a circus. They're going to make it a circus on the Mac game. Yes. But when, when, um, what's his

00:37:17.440 name? Homan, uh, is not his nominee. Yeah. Like, Oh man. When all, when all this, when all that guy,

00:37:24.000 when all that stuff starts to be implemented and put in motion, there's just an effect in,

00:37:28.400 in Washington, I think three months into a new administration, six months where the cement

00:37:32.480 starts to harden and it gets harder to do things legislatively. Right. And so if you get all of these

00:37:37.320 things in process and in motion in the first hundred days, you're going to reap the political

00:37:42.180 benefits into the future. I mean, I think the biggest question, how much, wait, I mean,

00:37:47.460 let me ask this quickly. How much can they slow down? How much can the Democrats slow down this

00:37:50.740 confirmation hearing? So like how long will this drama be going, be with us? Well, it's, it's not

00:37:55.900 really up to the Democrats to, to provide the pace. I mean, it'll be a chairman Grassley, the,

00:38:01.080 the judiciary committee chair will set a timeline. They'll obviously have to go through,

00:38:05.520 um, you know, your background checks and your financial disclosures and all of that. And once

00:38:10.200 they're satisfied with the information, then he sets a hearing date, you've got hearings and

00:38:14.140 ultimately, you know, report on a committee and they'll set a date for a confirmation. So Democrats

00:38:19.120 can't do a whole bunch about that, but what they can do is turn the judiciary committee into a big

00:38:23.980 top circus. As we saw, like during Kavanaugh, for example, um, yeah. And the question is, look,

00:38:31.880 everything that you guys have talked about in terms of the problems with the justice department,

00:38:35.440 the problems with Merrick Garland, you know, Eric Holder, insane, the FBI, everything they're

00:38:40.280 doing. Nobody disagrees on that. I don't think there's any Republican that disagrees with the

00:38:45.720 notion that we have to do something about that. I guess the question is whether or not you sent

00:38:49.400 RuPaul in to do it, right? I mean, there's different ways. There's different ways.

00:38:54.940 Holmes is out of Gates fan. I think we've determined Holmes is not behind the pick.

00:38:59.580 I don't dislike him. I mean, to be honest with you, Megan, my problem has never been with Matt

00:39:04.460 Gates. In fact, he's kind of said some nice things about the Ruthless Variety program. So I have no

00:39:08.920 problem with this guy. I have a problem with us just sort of pretending gravity doesn't exist.

00:39:15.820 And I, what I really wish. We're going to find out whether it does.

00:39:19.060 Yeah. I wish we would take the opportunity to sort of like study and understand how the most

00:39:23.280 effective implementations of policy have happened because we don't have a very long.

00:39:28.900 It doesn't sound like Trump. No, it doesn't, but it doesn't. He all, he ran a campaign that did

00:39:34.260 though. You know, I mean, he ran a campaign that was technically, but this is his most sensitive

00:39:39.440 area. This is like the crowd size piece of policy for him. Like trigger, you know, like DOJ, FBI,

00:39:49.180 imagine. I mean, I understand it for the reasons I just stated who has harassed Trump more than this

00:39:55.660 string of DOJs is his own to begin with. Jeff Sessions recused handed thing over to Bob Mueller.

00:40:02.960 Bob Mueller took over, made his life a living hell. And you know, then he had attorney general

00:40:07.480 after attorney general who he couldn't stand, who he didn't feel was loyal to him. And even the New

00:40:11.440 York times is reporting about this this morning. Like, well, they, they were grownups who were loyal

00:40:17.120 to trying to keep him in check. Well, he doesn't want that. Who the American public may say we like

00:40:24.120 it. They may not, but Trump, he's not required to like it this time around. He got smart for what he

00:40:29.220 wants. And he's like, I'm getting a loyalist. You've got, got to hear what he did on immigration.

00:40:39.100 This is so good. It's so good. If you voted for Trump, you're getting dividends already.

00:40:45.900 He's announced that he's going to appoint, appoint this man named Tom Homan as his border czar. That's

00:40:51.440 not a position that must be confirmed. So that's good because this guy can do what he want. Hey,

00:40:57.100 if Kamala Harris can be the border czar, so can Tom Homan. He served in the first Trump administration.

00:41:02.240 He was acting director then of ICE, immigration and custom enforcement. And in his announcement,

00:41:07.900 Trump said that Homan quote, will be in charge of all deportation of illegal aliens back to their

00:41:15.660 country of origin. Homan reacted to the news this morning on Fox watch. And look, I've seen, I've

00:41:22.500 seen some of these democratic governors say they're going to stand in the way they're going,

00:41:26.480 they're going to make a hard force. Well, I know a suggestion. If not going to help us get the hell

00:41:31.280 out of the way. Tom, you know, the last person who is border czar, she didn't want to be called

00:41:35.740 borders are. You're proud of it, right? You know what? I'm going to look like a genius because when

00:41:42.640 you follow failure, you can't help, you can't help to succeed, right? He began his career in

00:41:49.860 immigration enforcement back in 1994 as a border patrol agent. And while his career background

00:41:54.680 is important, the way he fires back at these bully Democrats on this issue and at the media

00:42:02.400 is a thing of beauty. It's truly beautiful. Last month, he was interviewed by 60 Minutes. Watch.

00:42:10.300 We have seen one estimate that says it would cost $88 billion to deport a million people

00:42:17.080 a year. I don't know if that's accurate or not.

00:42:21.880 Is that what American taxpayers should expect?

00:42:24.680 What price do you put on national security? Is that worth it?

00:42:26.920 Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families?

00:42:32.800 Of course there is. Families can be deported together.

00:42:39.440 Amazing. In 2019, Homan took part in a hearing on Capitol Hill, it's so good, about the Trump

00:42:46.400 administration's border policies. He was accused by a Democratic progressive congressman of not

00:42:51.360 caring about migrant children because of the color of their skin.

00:42:56.820 Do you understand that the consequences of separation of many children will be lifelong trauma

00:43:03.240 and carried across generations? Have we not learned from the internment of Japanese Americans?

00:43:09.560 Mr. Homan, I'm a father. Do you have children? How can you possibly allow this to happen under your watch?

00:43:16.140 Do you not care? Is it because these children don't look like children that are around you?

00:43:22.180 I don't get it. Have you ever held a deceased child in your arms?

00:43:29.140 First of all, your comments are disgusting.

00:43:31.540 I've served my country for 34 years.

00:43:35.460 I find your comments disgusting as well.

00:43:37.540 I've served my country for 34 years. And yes, I held a five-year-old boy in my arms

00:43:41.920 that in back of that tractor trailer, I knelt down beside him and said a prayer for him

00:43:45.720 because I knew what his last 30 minutes of his life were like.

00:43:48.960 And I had a five-year-old son at the time.

00:43:50.920 What I've been trying to do my 34 years serving my nation is to save lives.

00:43:55.720 So if you just sit there and insult my integrity and my love for my country and for children,

00:44:02.120 that's why this whole thing needs to be fixed.

00:44:05.120 And you're the member of Congress.

00:44:06.240 We agree on that.

00:44:06.700 Fix it.

00:44:07.140 If you want to legalize illegal immigration, good luck with that

00:44:10.680 because it's going to get a hell of a lot worse on that border.

00:44:12.720 If you say, okay, from now on, there will be no consequence, no deterrence.

00:44:15.900 It's not illegal to come to this country illegally.

00:44:17.620 More families will come.

00:44:18.800 31% women will be raped.

00:44:20.340 More children will die.

00:44:21.940 We're a nation of laws.

00:44:23.280 If you don't like it, sir, change it.

00:44:25.260 You're the legislator.

00:44:26.320 I'm the executive branch.

00:44:27.580 And I've served my country on to leave for 34 years.

00:44:29.720 And I will not sit here and have anybody say that I don't care about children

00:44:33.020 because you're not the same color as my children.

00:44:34.960 He is amazing.

00:44:39.020 This guy's incredible.

00:44:42.020 We looked into that story he referenced of the five-year-old boy that he was talking about

00:44:47.260 that he did hold in his arms.

00:44:48.440 It happened back in 2003.

00:44:50.660 The boy died along with 19 others after being crammed into a tractor trailer with nearly

00:44:56.160 70 other migrants in total.

00:44:59.000 They were being smuggled into the United States.

00:45:01.860 This is how they do it.

00:45:03.520 And they suffocated to death.

00:45:06.200 Some tried to claw two holes through the truck's foam insulation just to try to get a breath

00:45:13.220 of fresh air.

00:45:14.880 Per a report by the Daily Signal, at the crime scene that day, Tom Homan was there.

00:45:21.500 Homan said he directed the men taking the bodies away to save the child until last, to not remove

00:45:28.620 his remains until last, because he said, quote, I couldn't deal with it because I just kept

00:45:35.300 seeing my son there.

00:45:36.980 And he held that little boy.

00:45:39.540 And then that idiotic representative walked right into that.

00:45:46.020 Have you ever held a dead child?

00:45:47.780 Yes, I have.

00:45:49.060 I've seen the consequences.

00:45:50.800 That's what Homan was saying of your disastrous policies.

00:45:53.920 I'm the one who's got to clean up the bodies.

00:45:57.000 There were reports at the time about that disastrous truck stop and the deaths.

00:46:04.020 There were at least 62 people packed into this trailer.

00:46:07.500 They were in a nearly airless, heat-baked container, despite the effort to get two holes in there

00:46:14.520 so they could breathe.

00:46:15.760 Most of the human cargo was male.

00:46:18.020 Well, that five-year-old boy was the youngest, but there was a girl who was 15 that day, and

00:46:26.500 she actually lived.

00:46:29.120 Sheriff's deputies there brought her cake and cookies, so much for the evil Border Patrol

00:46:33.280 guys who are there not caring about the brown people, like that representative is suggested.

00:46:40.520 An emergency dispatcher received a 911 call from a man speaking Spanish.

00:46:44.340 This is how they found out there was an emergency there and broke in English at 11.42 p.m.

00:46:50.480 The man was saying, we're asphyxiating.

00:46:52.880 Help me.

00:46:53.720 Help me.

00:46:54.660 We're asphyxiating.

00:46:56.180 In Spanish, he said, we're in a trailer.

00:46:58.840 We're illegals.

00:47:01.080 This is the cost of that open border that people now, like Harrison Biden, have allowed

00:47:07.020 for years.

00:47:08.180 And by the way, the reports now are that we can expect the immigration problem to spike

00:47:14.240 over the next couple of months until Trump gets there, that the illegals see, this is

00:47:17.640 a court per the Daily Wire this morning, quoting from NBC, that they're anticipating January

00:47:24.780 20th as their deadline to get into this country.

00:47:27.000 So what's Joe Biden going to do about it?

00:47:28.600 Because you're going to get more deaths and more rapes of young of young girls and more

00:47:33.980 families who ultimately get separated because these drug mules, these bad actors use the

00:47:38.700 children since we're against family separation to get across the border and the children are

00:47:43.940 exploited time and time again.

00:47:46.460 Tom Holman's been on the side of the angels on this and he's being placed back in charge

00:47:50.760 and we should all celebrate his return.

00:47:53.940 In that same hearing we just showed you, he also fired back at AOC, who as always thought

00:47:59.520 that she knew better when she questioned him about the administration's zero tolerance

00:48:05.180 policy.

00:48:06.860 Mr. Holman, your name is on this.

00:48:08.580 Is this correct?

00:48:10.340 Yes, I signed that memo.

00:48:11.900 So you are the author of the family separation policy?

00:48:14.480 I am not the author of this memo.

00:48:16.220 You're not the author, but you signed the memo.

00:48:18.380 Yes, a zero tolerance memo.

00:48:20.720 And so the recommendation, of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separation?

00:48:26.920 I recommended zero tolerance.

00:48:28.860 Which includes family separation?

00:48:31.320 The same as it is when every U.S. citizen parent gets arrested with a child.

00:48:38.960 Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their parents.

00:48:43.460 If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated.

00:48:47.420 When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence,

00:48:51.480 I separated that father from his family.

00:48:52.440 Mr. Holman, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.

00:49:00.520 When you're into the country illegally, there's a violation of the United States Code 1325.

00:49:04.500 Seeking asylum is legal.

00:49:06.860 If you want to seek asylum and go to the port of entry, do it the legal way.

00:49:09.520 He's incredible, isn't he?

00:49:12.080 My God.

00:49:13.560 The EJs are back with me now, Emily and Eliana.

00:49:16.360 I don't know what more, just as I was thinking, I don't know what more we could ask for.

00:49:20.700 We get the announcement that Trump is putting Stephen Miller also on the immigration case.

00:49:28.000 He's deputy assistant.

00:49:29.260 What is he, Steve?

00:49:31.020 Glossing over his official title.

00:49:33.280 Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy on the immigration front.

00:49:35.960 And he's the guy who came up with a lot of those policies that work so well under Trump,

00:49:39.840 like Remain in Mexico and some of the executive orders that Trump signed

00:49:44.680 requiring us to crack down on these B.S. asylum claims.

00:49:48.680 That's a dream team, Emily.

00:49:51.760 Tom Holman is so interesting because one of the ways he first started,

00:49:54.960 I think, really getting it in media is that he worked for the Obama administration.

00:49:59.680 He's been given like an award by Barack Obama.

00:50:02.460 And I think that's what gives him the confidence to go and talk to AOC like that because he saw

00:50:08.580 this flawed process from the inside.

00:50:11.440 He saw it on the ground and he's able to then sort of flip the script and say,

00:50:16.820 this is zero tolerance.

00:50:18.120 And you saw her kind of pause there.

00:50:20.140 It was really interesting when he said it was a zero tolerance memo.

00:50:22.740 She didn't totally know what to do with that because it's the script being flipped on her.

00:50:26.060 And he's a great example of somebody who's able to do that with confidence and boldness

00:50:30.480 because he sort of has worked for the other side.

00:50:32.660 He's talked to the other side.

00:50:33.520 He's been friendly with the other side.

00:50:35.000 And so he's able to just say, listen, I don't give a damn.

00:50:38.000 Like, I've seen this.

00:50:38.880 I know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:50:41.000 And so he's a huge asset for Trump.

00:50:43.640 Stephen Miller, somebody who is totally vilified in the press.

00:50:48.440 And Trump isn't afraid to appoint him to a deputy chief of staff position.

00:50:53.600 So you're definitely seeing fearlessness.

00:50:55.820 There's no hesitation from Donald Trump at all about bringing some of these people,

00:51:00.040 no matter how vilified they are in the press.

00:51:02.780 Stephen Miller is a genius.

00:51:04.760 He is a genius.

00:51:06.520 And he knows immigration better than almost anyone.

00:51:10.980 And I don't, I'm thrilled that he's willing to take the risk with, you know, his family,

00:51:15.740 his wife, they called a white supremacist over and over.

00:51:17.920 He was a newlywed.

00:51:18.900 They were calling him terrible names.

00:51:21.140 That's what's going to happen if you try to clean up the border.

00:51:23.720 We've seen it time and time.

00:51:24.720 So it does require nerves of steel to say yes to this.

00:51:28.380 Homan looks like he's got him.

00:51:29.980 We know Stephen Miller's got him.

00:51:31.660 I'm overjoyed to see this, Eliana.

00:51:33.500 And in the news today, too, Tom Homan making clear that President Trump's deportation priorities

00:51:39.260 are not about people who are here unlawfully, who are abiding by the law now.

00:51:45.940 I realize it's a crime to sneak into the country illegally across the border.

00:51:49.560 But that that's not the priority.

00:51:52.220 The priority is the criminals who are here and causing havoc in the states.

00:51:57.920 And in response to that, you already get like the Massachusetts governor coming out and saying,

00:52:03.300 we will not cooperate.

00:52:06.440 We will not.

00:52:07.440 You know, what happens is what's this person?

00:52:09.580 Massachusetts is seeing a rash of rapes by these illegals in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

00:52:17.560 And what happens when an illegal rapes somebody is they go to jail if they get arrested.

00:52:22.960 And then you might find out that there's a detainer on them from ICE.

00:52:27.260 They're in the system as like, hey, we're looking for this illegal.

00:52:29.860 If you happen to catch this person committing a crime, please call us.

00:52:33.020 And what happens in sanctuary cities or states like Massachusetts is the cops see that and they say,

00:52:38.440 we don't give a shit.

00:52:39.880 We don't care.

00:52:40.700 We won't be calling ICE.

00:52:41.620 We're going to release this guy back out into the general public like he's just like a like a shoplifter.

00:52:47.860 And we are not going to be involving immigration authorities.

00:52:50.500 And now the Massachusetts governor has gone on the record saying we will not be cooperating.

00:52:55.100 We will maintain our status as a as a sanctuary state.

00:53:00.300 And that's going to be the next battle as Trump tries to get the worst of the worst out of the country, Eliana.

00:53:06.380 And the media will be on the wrong side.

00:53:08.760 I think there are a couple interesting things happening here with personnel.

00:53:15.260 The first the first is the order with which these picks are being made.

00:53:23.540 You know, first you had Susie Wiles being named chief of staff.

00:53:26.740 And she's a really interesting pick who couldn't be more different.

00:53:30.600 I don't think from Reince Priebus, who was Trump's first chief of staff last time around, who was somebody he didn't really know.

00:53:39.580 I mean, Reince was running the RNC.

00:53:41.960 Trump and the RNC weren't that close when he ran.

00:53:45.100 Susie has been running his operation since 2021.

00:53:48.840 And somebody who has really gained his trust and demonstrated an ability to manage both Trump and his operation.

00:53:55.960 The second is that the first the first appointments we're seeing coming from Trump are on immigration, which I think sends a signal to folks that he's going to take the issue seriously.

00:54:08.160 You know, the first the first appointment coming out wasn't the secretary of state or the secretary of defense, but it was the immigration czar.

00:54:16.000 And I do think that's intentional and sends a signal.

00:54:19.020 And also to see we haven't talked about Elise Stefanik going to the United Nations.

00:54:24.000 She's someone who is he talked about strong women.

00:54:29.200 She's, I think, likely to be in the mold of Nikki Haley, who was there before, who will be an advocate for for America and Israel on on the world straight stage.

00:54:42.060 And so thus far, you know, we're seeing we're seeing interesting appointments that I think are broadcasting the president elect's intentions for what he intends to prioritize.

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00:55:57.280 Kamala lost because of Kamala.

00:56:00.040 That is the subject of today's show.

00:56:02.760 You know, I really thought that someone on the left would write this.

00:56:07.680 I've been saying this.

00:56:08.920 The true story of how Kamala Harris lost the presidential race.

00:56:12.940 I thought that they would be so angry with her for losing to Trump that they would be clamoring to write the in-depth piece and how she blew it.

00:56:22.280 You know, like journalists.

00:56:24.540 Silly me.

00:56:25.100 I thought we'd get to read all the juicy details about how this well-known bully who lost 92% of her staff as vice president because no one could stand working for her was impossible to manage.

00:56:38.020 Wouldn't take advice, couldn't execute prepared strategies, was too paralyzed with fear to make decisions, except for the big one that she did make, which was to pick Tim Walls as her running mate, which turned out to be an absolute disaster.

00:56:51.940 But so far, nothing has really been only a couple of lame pieces and none have really gone in-depth behind the scenes.

00:57:01.080 Maybe it'll still happen.

00:57:04.440 But truly, what's happened so far is it's been mostly she lost because of racism and sexism and maybe because of Joe Biden.

00:57:11.900 We are being spoon-fed a bunch of nonsense, oh, what a change, about how Kamala Harris hit all of her marks.

00:57:20.740 I mean, you can't be mad at her.

00:57:22.100 She hit all of her marks.

00:57:24.200 These are lies.

00:57:26.300 Maybe it's just easier for them to blame Joe Biden.

00:57:29.180 He's the white guy who stayed too long and was far too infirm.

00:57:32.560 I guess he's not going on Mount Rushmore anymore.

00:57:34.900 I remember Nancy Pelosi.

00:57:37.540 So it's a no.

00:57:38.440 Or maybe it is because this is the Democrat Party and you don't blame problems on black women, period.

00:57:45.080 It doesn't matter how terribly they have behaved.

00:57:48.220 I give you Donna Brazile, who cheated on a presidential debate and now has had not one, but two contractor or contributor deals with network news, Fox and now ABC.

00:58:00.160 It's unbelievable.

00:58:01.800 Sure, some white man would have the same deal, right?

00:58:03.840 The way Joy Reid has survived, despite the anti-gay slurs all over her blog, her lies about how she'd been hacked and the FBI was investigating.

00:58:14.700 So weird how that never went anywhere.

00:58:16.520 And now years of open, abject hatred of whites.

00:58:22.380 They're fine with that.

00:58:23.320 I don't know exactly the reasons why they're not doing it or whether they will do it.

00:58:28.440 I still mean, like, I'm still an optimist at heart, I guess.

00:58:31.260 But look, before we close this chapter in presidential history and say sayonara, Kamala, I decided we need to take an honest look back.

00:58:42.060 So here goes.

00:58:43.680 From the start, it was very important that we get her name right.

00:58:47.960 Inclusion is understandable.

00:58:51.500 Disrespect is not.

00:58:54.880 What are you here to do?

00:58:57.040 To teach you how to say your auntie's name.

00:59:00.300 Okay.

00:59:01.380 So how do you pronounce it?

00:59:04.320 First you say comma like a common sentence.

00:59:08.120 Then you say la like la la la la la.

00:59:11.500 Put it together and it's one, two, three.

00:59:15.500 Kamala.

00:59:16.060 Kamala.

00:59:16.140 Kamala.

00:59:16.500 Kamala.

00:59:17.960 Oh, my God.

00:59:26.220 Is inflation lower yet?

00:59:28.840 These devoted portions of the Democratic National Convention to this.

00:59:32.900 And then if you did not get her name right after you'd received the lesson, you were racist.

00:59:40.060 Just ask Nancy Mace.

00:59:42.640 When you disrespect Kamala Harris by saying you will call her whatever you want.

00:59:46.480 I know you don't intend it to be that way.

00:59:48.580 That's the history and legacy of white disregard for the humanity of black people.

00:59:52.020 So now you're calling me racist.

00:59:53.000 I didn't say it.

00:59:53.460 I just said you weren't racist.

00:59:54.740 That is complete yes.

00:59:55.720 You don't have to intend racism to accomplish your name right.

00:59:58.840 And Kamala Harris.

01:00:00.160 Kamala.

01:00:01.040 Kamala.

01:00:01.940 You said it's going to call you Nancy Lattie.

01:00:04.440 It's Kamala.

01:00:05.480 You're doing this on purpose, Congress.

01:00:07.160 You said it's disrespectful.

01:00:08.180 Just a second.

01:00:10.380 Okay.

01:00:11.580 Helpful articles were written explaining that mispronouncing someone's name is a microaggression,

01:00:17.680 an effort to disparage them.

01:00:19.500 A disrespect rooted in the racist tradition of othering black people in subtle but meaningful

01:00:27.160 ways.

01:00:28.220 Even though it's routinely done to white people as well, like Matt Gaetz and Demi Moore,

01:00:35.020 Ralph Fiennes, Steve Buscemi.

01:00:37.660 Here's MSNBC's Nicole Wallace this week, pretending while on air not to know how to pronounce or even

01:00:45.560 spell that pesky Pete Hegseth's name.

01:00:50.140 Or the Fox Weekend guy whose name, someone, why is his name?

01:00:53.580 Tom Heg, what?

01:00:55.600 Pete Hegseth.

01:00:58.160 Heg, can I get a spelling?

01:01:00.300 H-E-G-S-E-T-H?

01:01:03.920 She's such a faker.

01:01:05.900 She's such a faker.

01:01:07.660 God, she's inauthentic.

01:01:09.160 But yeah, look, here's the kicker.

01:01:10.940 Even well-known Democrats pronounced Kamala Harris's name wrong.

01:01:17.440 Kamala Harris spoke to me that day.

01:01:21.240 Our leader, Kamala, asked them, how can I help you?

01:01:26.940 We need Kamala Harris, the president of Joy, to lead us.

01:01:33.900 Kamala said, we're all closely monitoring the storm.

01:01:38.840 Kamala.

01:01:39.920 Kamala.

01:01:41.180 Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden.

01:01:43.960 I guess they didn't get the memo.

01:01:45.520 I guess they weren't there when the little girls talked about their auntie.

01:01:49.040 They're racist, too.

01:01:49.940 Or is it just Nancy Mace because she's a Republican?

01:01:52.620 So in any event, that's how things kicked off.

01:01:55.060 Everyone is racist.

01:01:57.760 Racist for mispronouncing her name, except for all the Democrats who can't pronounce her name either.

01:02:02.740 But you're not supposed to notice that.

01:02:04.080 Knowing that she has an unattractive personality, Kamala Harris's team tried hard to rebrand her when she first launched as not painful, but as brat.

01:02:16.660 The meaning of which nobody knows.

01:02:19.220 Charlie XCX, who I do know, quote, brat.

01:02:24.500 You're just that girl who is a little messy and likes to party and maybe says some dumb things sometimes.

01:02:35.420 Very cool.

01:02:38.520 I'm sure that messenger really communicated to the young folks when she told them she is brat.

01:02:46.840 So the message for voters is she's not awkward.

01:02:51.100 She's not off-putting.

01:02:52.560 She might be dumb, but she's actually the cool wine aunt you love to hang with at Thanksgiving.

01:02:58.320 Absolutely perfect for the presidency.

01:03:00.800 Everything about her had to be made over, you see, because the public spent four years watching her and had come to deeply dislike this woman.

01:03:09.480 In June 2024, this past June, a majority of Americans had an unfavorable view of her for over 40 percent.

01:03:17.380 It was very unfavorable.

01:03:19.440 The most important rebrand to start with her makeover, the cackle.

01:03:39.480 High five.

01:03:44.600 Wow.

01:03:49.380 I can first.

01:03:53.400 That's a lot.

01:03:55.920 It's a lot.

01:03:58.120 It's not a cackle, they told us.

01:04:00.320 It's joy.

01:04:02.780 This joy, this campaign of infectious and dynamic joy.

01:04:07.560 I'm going to tear these two very positive, joyful, energetic people down.

01:04:11.580 Embrace the joy which you see them doing.

01:04:13.440 There's a lot of joy, a lot of optimism out of the box.

01:04:16.840 The vice president has spoken to this eloquently with great joy, great enthusiasm.

01:04:21.240 And joy, I think, is a great word because you can see this in Tim Walton.

01:04:25.000 This week, four Democrats has been, not to overuse this word, such a joyful one.

01:04:29.740 And just in case you weren't convinced and you actually think she does cackle, her cackle's

01:04:38.000 amazing.

01:04:38.820 It's amazing and it's just being weaponized against her.

01:04:43.220 Your opponent and Republicans have at times weaponized you laughing.

01:04:48.440 And what do you make of Republicans using that as a way to suggest that you're not a serious

01:04:55.600 candidate?

01:04:56.320 There are some times when your adversaries will try and turn your strength into a weakness.

01:05:00.940 Don't you lock them.

01:05:02.080 Get off Kamala Harris's dick about her laugh.

01:05:04.860 And number two, get rigorously honest with yourself and go get some therapy and talk about

01:05:11.520 how clearly you have such a hard time wrapping your head around the idea of a smart, successful,

01:05:19.260 self-made, confident woman who is able to easily and frequently find and express joy.

01:05:26.240 A tale of two tickets.

01:05:27.620 One radiates joy.

01:05:29.380 The other is dour and frankly, frightening.

01:05:32.160 And this is how you know the Republicans are freaking out about it.

01:05:36.800 Vice President Kamala Harris is criticized for her race, gender and parental status, but

01:05:40.860 also for laughing.

01:05:43.100 As if an infectious, energizing belly laugh, the literal display of joy is a bad thing.

01:05:51.200 Infectious and energizing.

01:05:53.800 Whole think pieces were written like this one from The Atlantic entitled Kamala Harris and

01:05:59.660 the threat of a woman's laugh.

01:06:02.160 Which told readers, Trump doesn't really laugh.

01:06:05.700 He smirks.

01:06:07.120 He bares his teeth silently.

01:06:09.860 Bares his teeth, I say.

01:06:11.240 He's a rabid dog, you see.

01:06:13.520 Kamala, according to The Atlantic, well, her laugh is wholesome.

01:06:18.300 It's honest.

01:06:19.740 It's human.

01:06:21.800 In fact, they write, quote,

01:06:23.140 Criticism of emotional expression has long been a weapon of choice for those wanting to cut

01:06:28.580 down women in political power.

01:06:31.560 Criticism of her laugh is weaponization, they say.

01:06:34.920 Trump, you see, is rabid with bare teeth.

01:06:37.800 Kamala is wholesome.

01:06:39.560 And disagreement means you're just threatened by an honest woman.

01:06:43.700 In sum, she does not cackle.

01:06:47.740 She is joyful.

01:06:48.980 And also wholesome and honest and human and you're sexist.

01:06:53.540 We're off to a banger start.

01:06:55.560 At first, she was tightly controlled.

01:06:58.800 Obviously, there would be no interviews.

01:07:00.360 But some big decisions were required before the Democratic National Convention,

01:07:05.460 like deciding who would step into her shoes if she were incapacitated as president.

01:07:11.640 She later explained on that one, she went on instinct.

01:07:16.460 What's the last time you were to make a gut decision?

01:07:19.240 This here is very prescribed, very controlled.

01:07:22.240 Yeah.

01:07:23.020 Probably the biggest gut decision I've made most recently is to choose my running mate.

01:07:30.360 Yeah.

01:07:32.220 Yeah.

01:07:33.300 So what did her gut get us?

01:07:36.460 You are the dancing queen.

01:07:40.040 Young and sweet, only 17.

01:07:46.980 Dancing queen.

01:07:48.400 Oh, God.

01:07:48.900 Feel the beat from the tantarine.

01:07:56.500 You can dance.

01:07:58.900 You can dance.

01:08:01.600 Having the time of your life.

01:08:06.060 Nicely done, Debbie Murphy.

01:08:08.180 Let's be honest.

01:08:09.440 He looked a little familiar.

01:08:12.680 Come on down.

01:08:15.140 Yeah.

01:08:15.960 Pull on down.

01:08:17.360 The listening audience knows, but that was clips from The Price is Right.

01:08:40.200 Or maybe it wasn't The Price is Right.

01:08:42.420 Maybe it was this.

01:08:46.180 Chris Farley.

01:08:47.140 It was a little bit awkward, but maybe it was just his physicality, you know, like the jerky, jerky motions.

01:09:07.200 But maybe the guy was a really effective orator.

01:09:10.640 Look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.

01:09:16.900 I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

01:09:19.920 And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

01:09:23.680 Oh, well, not the best message for your VP choice, but okay.

01:09:28.780 It promptly came out that Tim Walls was a radical leftist.

01:09:32.900 The man who was supposed to win over Midwestern working class men for Kamala had mandated tampons in the boys' bathrooms

01:09:39.480 and made his state a sanctuary for underage kids claiming to be another gender who wanted to castrate and sterilize themselves.

01:09:46.960 A story so extreme that many did not believe it, but it was true.

01:09:51.080 Turns out the insult Walls hurled at Republicans that caught Kamala Harris's attention in the first place

01:09:58.700 and led to her making him her VP running mate was no more than a mere projection.

01:10:05.680 These are weird people on the other side.

01:10:08.060 They want to take books away.

01:10:09.380 They want to be in your exam room.

01:10:10.720 That's what it comes down to.

01:10:12.300 Don't, you know, get sugarcoating this.

01:10:14.200 These are weird ideas.

01:10:15.340 Listen to them speak.

01:10:16.260 Listen to how they talk about things.

01:10:17.860 Listen to how your previous guests were right.

01:10:19.860 Like you said, they've told them that they shouldn't talk about race.

01:10:22.700 They can't help it.

01:10:24.080 It is built into their DNA because there is no plan.

01:10:29.200 Tim Walls also lied a lot, a couple dozen times at least, about his inflated military rank.

01:10:35.700 He was not a retired command sergeant major where he served in combat.

01:10:40.140 He did not serve in Iraq or Afghanistan as he led people to believe.

01:10:44.140 Lied about in what context he served.

01:10:46.680 It was not in combat, as he later claimed.

01:10:49.100 And about many, many other things.

01:10:51.120 We hosted some of the National Guard members who served with Tim Walls.

01:10:56.440 And I used to call him a deserter also because he left his post, he left his duty station,

01:11:01.180 and he walked off into the sunset.

01:11:02.980 I say slithered a lot of times, that he slithered out of the armory.

01:11:06.580 But he walked into the sunset, never turned around, never had any intention of ever coming back to the military.

01:11:12.280 He was gone.

01:11:13.880 And because I've got better things to do.

01:11:15.820 I mean, what would you like to see him do?

01:11:16.880 Apologize.

01:11:19.200 Apologize?

01:11:20.840 Hmm.

01:11:21.440 Didn't happen.

01:11:22.620 He lied about being a head coach, which he wasn't.

01:11:25.020 Using IVF, which he didn't.

01:11:26.700 Receiving accommodation from the Chamber of Commerce, which he didn't.

01:11:30.120 Being in China when the Tiananmen Square massacre took place, which he wasn't.

01:11:33.860 His son was witnessing a mass shooting, which he didn't.

01:11:36.600 And much, much more.

01:11:37.520 It was clearly a problem.

01:11:39.800 And pretty soon, we stopped seeing much of Tim Walz on the campaign trail, whose daughter, by the way, has thoughts on the election.

01:11:47.740 I've, like, officially reached the point of anger, and I'm not an angry person, so I'm just trying to channel it.

01:11:54.360 The first one being, this country does not deserve Kamala Harris.

01:11:58.640 That's true.

01:11:59.360 That woman should go live her best life wherever she wants, doing whatever she wants, because we don't deserve her at this point.

01:12:05.840 The only people that delivered this election were black women, and we failed them.

01:12:12.580 And it's just heartbreaking, and we've got to do whatever we can to support them and support our people through these next four years.

01:12:20.840 These people have to live in their own skin, as in J.D. Vance and Donald Trump have to be J.D. Vance and Donald Trump.

01:12:28.160 And that is not a punishment I would wish upon anybody except those two individuals.

01:12:32.440 Um, yeah, so I'm just really grateful that I am who I am and that I'm on the side of love and hope and joy and progress.

01:12:42.740 Oh, nice.

01:12:43.720 I mean, I think it's fair to say the joy is gone.

01:12:46.140 It's gone.

01:12:47.040 We've kind of changed our messaging, but you know what?

01:12:49.880 Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

01:12:52.020 So the Kamala campaign, at this point in our story, had tried brat and joy and kept her mostly under wraps, putting her out only in highly controlled, scripted settings, like the Democratic National Convention or at rallies with the teleprompter.

01:13:07.260 But there was still the matter of her radical policy statements from 2019 when she first ran for president.

01:13:13.800 She wanted to ban fracking, to eliminate private health insurance, to ban meat, to ban gas cars, to ban and confiscate guns.

01:13:22.140 She wanted to mandate taxpayer-funded sex change procedures for prisoners and illegals.

01:13:26.500 She thought the wall was a stupid vanity project.

01:13:28.840 She was open to reparations.

01:13:30.400 My God, where to begin with the cleanup?

01:13:32.440 Fracking, that's as good a place as any.

01:13:35.900 Pennsylvania is a must-win state, and they love fracking.

01:13:39.720 So reversing that position is a no-brainer.

01:13:42.820 Soon, we received unsigned paper statements from rando campaign spokespeople saying Kamala disavowed her position on fracking.

01:13:53.500 Oh, and also on banning private health insurance.

01:13:56.940 Fracking ban?

01:13:58.020 Who ever heard of a fracking ban?

01:13:59.500 There's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.

01:14:03.140 So, yeah.

01:14:05.180 What?

01:14:05.940 Do not believe you're lying ears.

01:14:08.080 Unnamed spokesperson claimed.

01:14:10.300 It's not so.

01:14:11.560 Getting rid of private health insurance?

01:14:13.740 What kind of a nut case would ever propose that?

01:14:16.500 To reiterate, you support the Medicare for All bill, I think, initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders.

01:14:21.700 You're also a co-sponder onto it.

01:14:23.220 I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance.

01:14:25.640 Um, so for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it.

01:14:30.660 Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care.

01:14:35.420 And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require.

01:14:44.000 Who of us has not had that situation where you've got to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this?

01:14:51.480 Let's eliminate all of that.

01:14:52.800 Let's move on.

01:14:53.480 Yeah, that's worked out beautifully for our friends up north in the evil top hat Canada.

01:15:00.480 She's over it.

01:15:01.400 Trust me, said rando spokesperson via paper statement.

01:15:06.120 Other positions were not expressly reversed, but her language around them became very, very different.

01:15:12.120 Gun bans and mandatory gun buyback programs?

01:15:15.040 Oh, hell no.

01:15:16.520 Reinvented Kamala is a 2A NRA gun toting kind of gal.

01:15:21.520 She's the Dana Lash of Canada.

01:15:23.960 She's Serpico.

01:15:25.980 Do you want to play cash?

01:15:27.820 Okay.

01:15:28.780 I'll play with you.

01:15:30.020 Come on.

01:15:33.340 Okay.

01:15:34.260 Do you want to play with us?

01:15:35.440 Okay.

01:15:36.960 Say hello to my little friend.

01:15:42.300 Do you want to play with us?

01:15:43.960 Okay.

01:15:45.300 Yeah.

01:15:46.620 Okay.

01:15:47.460 Do you like that?

01:15:49.180 That wasn't Al Pacino.

01:15:50.580 No, that was the reinvented Kamala Harris.

01:15:53.240 On cops and immigration, she also sounded very, very different from 2019 Kamala.

01:15:58.920 Kamala didn't really bail rioters out of Minnesota prisons.

01:16:02.960 Yeah, she did.

01:16:03.700 And she wasn't really soft on the border or on ice.

01:16:07.140 Yeah, she was.

01:16:07.760 In fact, she was the only candidate in this race that has prosecuted transnational gangs and criminals in a border state.

01:16:15.780 In other words, ain't gonna be no border trouble in this here town, little missy.

01:16:22.040 Sheriff Kamala Harris had arrived.

01:16:24.660 Well, here's my word.

01:16:27.540 Get the hell off my spread.

01:16:30.560 Now, get on off them horses.

01:16:32.660 I don't favor looking up to the likes of you.

01:16:34.860 If you say three, mister, you'll never hear the man count ten.

01:16:37.940 Every time you turn around, expect to see me.

01:16:41.380 Because one time you'll turn around and I'll be there.

01:16:44.360 Understand?

01:16:45.520 Anything goes wrong.

01:16:46.860 Anything at all.

01:16:47.980 Your fault.

01:16:48.720 My fault.

01:16:49.400 Nobody's fault.

01:16:50.440 It don't matter.

01:16:51.540 I'm gonna blow your head off.

01:16:54.680 It's like looking in the mirror for Kamala.

01:16:58.240 So, some radical positions either reversed on paper by the rando nameless spokesperson or seemingly disavowed by new messaging and boom, we're off to the races.

01:17:08.800 Done.

01:17:09.560 Now it was time for an interview.

01:17:11.840 Took about a month for her to finally do it.

01:17:13.620 And the lucky recipient, CNN's Dana Bash.

01:17:17.880 By the way, that's another person whose name gets mispronounced and it's not racist.

01:17:23.340 Big opportunity.

01:17:24.660 Big.

01:17:25.260 Lots to discuss.

01:17:26.540 CNN's ratings are in the toilet.

01:17:28.640 So, this is a chance to show everyone you're not actually in the tank for Team Blue.

01:17:33.080 Do your thing.

01:17:34.280 You're a serious journalist who will hit Kamala Harris just as hard as you did J.D. Vance, who you've had on your show many times.

01:17:41.300 And you continuously, routinely go round and round with him.

01:17:44.980 You're tough.

01:17:45.840 Let's go, Dana.

01:17:47.400 So, she gets Kamala Harris there next to her emotional support governor, Tim Walls.

01:17:52.100 And Dana Bash does the thing.

01:17:54.200 She asks about the all-important fracking reversal.

01:17:58.780 This is gonna be the first time we're gonna hear her explain it on camera.

01:18:02.680 And directly as opposed through the rando.

01:18:05.360 This is exciting.

01:18:06.740 When you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal.

01:18:11.820 And in 2019, you said, quote, there is no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.

01:18:17.040 Fracking, as you know, is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must-win state of Pennsylvania.

01:18:22.660 Do you still want to ban fracking?

01:18:24.920 No, and I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020.

01:18:28.820 That I would not ban fracking.

01:18:31.100 As vice president, I did not ban fracking.

01:18:33.680 As president, I will not ban fracking.

01:18:35.400 Wait, what?

01:18:39.320 No.

01:18:40.520 In 2020, she participated in a vice presidential debate against Mike Pence and said Joe Biden,

01:18:48.260 who was at the top of her ticket, would not ban fracking.

01:18:51.760 Surely, you know that, Dana Bash.

01:18:54.260 Surely, you've done your homework, since this is a very big interview, her first as the nominee.

01:18:58.880 And you studied her earlier statements on fracking, a subject you have chosen to raise.

01:19:05.700 And you know that other paper statement through the rando spokesperson is all we've gotten.

01:19:13.300 That she's never disaffowed anything directly.

01:19:16.340 And this is our chance to find out all about it.

01:19:19.940 Let's check in and see whether she was cross-examined, held to account,

01:19:25.360 and how things actually went between them from there.

01:19:28.820 How much we really care.

01:19:32.900 I hear your voice inside me.

01:19:36.640 I see your face everywhere.

01:19:39.420 Still, you say we belong to.

01:19:43.600 Oh, God.

01:19:44.740 Yes, that's exactly how it looked.

01:20:02.640 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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