Best of the Week： Tucker Carlson on Biden Debate Debacle, Megyn on Kamala's Fox News Failure
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Tucker Carlson joins me to talk about his new special, Art of the Surge, and why the 2020 election is truly one of the craziest of all time. Plus, we got into Kamala s week in the spotlight from her sit-down on Fox News, my analysis of her total failure, and our friends from the Ruthless Program with National Review's Charlie Cook and MBD.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's weekend best of special.
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My friend Tucker Carlson was here to talk about his new special, Art of the Surge,
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and why the 2024 election is truly one of the craziest of all time.
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With the Democratic swap of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris after that debate debacle,
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plus the incredible realignment we've seen with the Cheneys supporting Harris and a candidate
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Plus, we got into Kamala's week in the spotlight from her sit down on Fox News,
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my analysis of her total failure, plus our friends from the Ruthless program,
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and we talked about her attempt to court Black men with National Review's Charlie Cook and MBD.
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You and your Fox EP, Justin Wells, embark on this project in June,
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you're going to have the kind of summer that we had.
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I mean, how could you possibly have been envisioning anything that happened?
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And yet, you know, you're up close and personal for the most bizarre, compelling,
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interesting, consequential election in U.S. history, at least one of them.
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Especially that debate in which Biden collapsed and the assassination attempt,
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I mean, you and Justin had to be behind the scenes like, oh, my God.
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I mean, I really wasn't there for much of it at all.
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My personal favorite so far, so we've got three episodes up.
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I think I've got four and five are coming, and it goes to six.
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But is the reaction shot backstage during the debate of all the, you know, VIPs who've been
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accompanying Trump, members of Congress, watching Joe Biden melt down on stage.
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And these are people who do politics for a living and know Biden personally and are sort
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of like have what they think is going to happen in mind.
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And what actually happens is so shocking to them that it's truly unscripted.
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They can't believe this guy is melting down the way that he is.
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Let's watch a little bit of that because it is amazing.
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Like, when I watched it, I had the same reaction.
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Of course, we were all having the same reaction in our homes.
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But to see Team Trump and others backstage watching it as we did is something else entirely.
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No senior has to pay more than $200 for any drug, all the drugs they can include beginning
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His debt will be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care,
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older care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making
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sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been
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able to do with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with
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Oh, if you saw that live as everyone did, you think, well, is it just me or was that
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the most profound failure like ever captured on film?
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And then you watch people who do this for a living.
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Laura Trump speaks for us all when she goes, she mouths, WTF.
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But as you said in your open so nicely, it was.
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But you said this is a year where a Kennedy has endorsed Trump and Dick Cheney has endorsed
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I mean, that just kind of sums it up right there.
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Not just the obvious drama, the meltdown, Biden dropping out, the assassination attempts
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on Donald Trump, but just the total realignment in the most obvious, undeniable way of American
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politics where Bobby Kennedy is on the campaign trail for Donald Trump and Dick Cheney and
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I mean, like who who could have predicted that?
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And I mean, what better recommendation for Trump and not for Kamala than to see the see the
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I mean, it's it is kind of amazing, is it not, Tucker, to see them, the Cheneys now be
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Who was it was asked about the Liz Cheney endorsement on Meet the Press?
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But in any event, it's like, oh, she was asking Liz Cheney.
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And she's like, you know, you said a lot of terrible things about Kamala just a few
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You know, people might be left with the impression you're kind of insincere.
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But does the Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney combo change the calculation here?
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Well, I mean, it just puts it into stark relief, as you just said correctly, I think.
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And it also raises questions for me personally, as someone who defended Dick Cheney for, I
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don't know, like 25 years in public and always got the sense maybe there's something wrong
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And why would you be so enthusiastic about shooting down a civilian airliner as he famously
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And, you know, just the cost of these wars in human life was so high.
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And I kind of pushed all those thoughts into the back of my mind and didn't deal with them.
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And I asked the other night, I was with Russell Brand, who I love, and I said to him, you
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What about Dick Cheney made you uncomfortable 20 years ago that I missed?
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I mean, it's just it's not it's like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons with Dick Cheney.
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You don't need to be super spiritually aware to get an evil whiff off Dick Cheney.
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Well, I mean, I don't know how well this is going to do for her.
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She's got some nine percent reportedly of Republican vote, like some sort of share of Republicans
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And these are probably the Nicole Wallace's, the Joe Scarborough's, you know, of the world.
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Like I predict and I think you'll agree with me, notwithstanding the number of Republicans,
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even that work for Trump that are now endorsing Kamala, the Republican Party will come home
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I think I mean, certainly Republican voters are four square behind Trump.
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And by the way, they know Trump and they know all of the shortcomings very, very well.
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They know them really well in the same way you do of like, you know, your favorite cousin.
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It doesn't mean you don't love your cousin, but you know exactly your cousin is.
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They don't think he's God, but he they do think he's the one politician doesn't hate
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And that's the basis of of their requited love for him.
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But what's interesting is that I think a huge percentage of the Republican leadership
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in Washington is going to vote for Kamala Harris, whether they say so or not.
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And but I just think there are a lot of Republican senators, for example, whose beliefs are much
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closer to Kamala Harris's than they are to Trump's or to the Republican electorate.
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That's what Liz Cheney was saying when trying to justify herself.
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I'll play the soundbite when she went on with Kirsten Walker, 73.
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Back in 2020, you said Kamala Harris, when she was announced as President Biden's running
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mate, you called her a radical liberal whose policies, quote, are completely inconsistent
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with what most Americans believe in and stand for.
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I know that you don't view this as a policy election.
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But are there policies that Kamala Harris supports that you also back?
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And I would say the extent to which, you know, she and I certainly have had our disagreements.
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But when you look at the whole range of issues, for example, with respect to support for Ukraine,
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with respect to the fact that, you know, she is saying that the United States has to
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Do you regret any of the language that you used to describe Harris and Biden at the time
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they would dismantle our freedom, destroy our history, the type of language you're using
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Look, I think certainly those were harsh things that I said.
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I think that they reflect absolutely that we had a policy disagreement on a series of
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But I also think that's why it's so important for people to focus on the fact that I am
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Yeah, I mean, she doesn't care about any of that stuff.
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I mean, she's her behavior on the on the January 6th commission shows she doesn't care
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about your freedoms, obviously, she put innocent people allowed them to go to jail and suppressed
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I don't think she's a radical anything other than an opportunist.
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Donald Trump was not some right winger, by the way, at all.
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He's on the moderate side of the spectrum on policy is not controllable by anybody.
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And that's either good or bad, you know, depending on your perspective.
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But if you seek to control politicians, which is what Liz Cheney's business really is, and
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Dick Cheney's business really is, it's not going to work with Trump.
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That's why they embraced her boss, Joe Biden, because they're weak.
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Kamala Harris will be whatever she needs to be.
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It's a pretty good strategy if, you know, for advancement, for a low skilled person to
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And she's done it on the basis of moral flexibility.
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But there's no guarantee that he won't just blurt it out in the I mean, I remember in the
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debates in 2016, he gets attacked for knowing Hillary Clinton.
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He's like, yeah, well, they actually paid me money to go to her wedding.
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I mean, he just sort of said, you know, he breaks the fourth wall.
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It's not that he's going to bring fascism or destroy democracy.
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He might accidentally tell the truth and they have to stop him before he does.
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It wound up in a Dave Chappelle skit honoring him for being, you know, this guy who actually
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Like, finally, somebody who's who tells it like it is.
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And if you put enough pressure on Trump, he might intentionally or not just say so.
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Like, you know, well, Donald Trump, you changed your view on this.
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You might say that, you know, Kamala Harris will go to her grave with all of that stuff
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And Liz Cheney is telling the truth when she says it's not about policy.
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And of course, what the Cheneys and permanent Washington really cares about is war because
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it's the ultimate exercise of power, killing people.
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And back when she and her dad and the many like them ran the Republican Party, you know,
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they dressed it up as we're strong, you know, on defense or we're keeping the world safe.
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Well, of course, they've made the world much more chaotic and infinitely more dangerous.
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We're in the brink of nuclear war right now because of their policies and their, quote,
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They can no longer pretend people on both sides are sick of pointless forever wars.
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But, you know, this is such an interesting way.
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And I always I always learn something talking to you, Tucker, you always give me a different
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way of thinking about issues because I've been saying she's a moron, which I do think
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But yes, when I watch these completely empty soundbites, I think it's because she's dumb
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and she doesn't know anything and she's incapable of doing anything more.
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And your words, blank slate kind of come at it from a different way that that she's intentionally
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being vague all the time because that's what makes her saleable to her party bosses who
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have chosen her and who are trying to elevate her to advance their own agenda.
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In the case of Cheney and so many others, it is wars, the military industrial complex.
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And that is a different way of looking at I'll play the soundbite.
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We played it a couple of days ago, but this one just is so perfect.
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It just encapsulates everything that I can't stand about how she answers questions.
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I'm going to look at this with a new pair of eyes, just blank slate as opposed to just
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You know, listen, we have 23 days as of today until the election.
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And I am in these streets traveling and talking with folks.
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And I am out here doing the work of earning then the vote so that we can get to the job
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And for me, that is about pushing for an opportunity economy, which is about tapping into the ambitions
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I know the ambitions, the aspirations, the incredible work ethic that exists in our community.
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But not everyone has started out on the same base in terms of being able to realize their
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So my plan is to build what I call an opportunity economy, which means giving people an opportunity
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to actually achieve those ambitions, those goals, and those dreams.
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Everything about her from her first name, which she's pronounced various different ways,
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she doesn't pronounce her own first name consistently, to her accent, which is, of course, an affect.
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That's a completely fake accent, daughter of college professors, to everything that she
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And to play that role over so many years with nothing inside is not an easy thing.
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I think there are different kinds of intelligence.
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I think she's a high feral intelligence, an animal intelligence, which is a really useful
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But she's just pure ambition, and she'll be what she needs to be.
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But when I watch that, every time I watch her, I get the same vibe, which is fear.
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And of course, she's afraid, because she doesn't believe anything.
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When you know what you believe, and if you have limits to what you'll say, to how dishonest
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But there's the rare person, not so rare in politics, unfortunately.
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She's one of them, who doesn't have any limits at all.
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And because like, whatever it takes, whatever I have to say, whatever I have to pretend to
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And that's how she leveraged a career with no achievement at all, no obvious skills of any
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kind, to the place where she could be president of the United States.
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I think it's a, it's been a really difficult, super unpleasant, joyless journey with no real
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A husband who she kisses with a mask on, like, imagine living that life.
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That's the least of the problems with the husband.
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I mean, the husband's, the husband's got serious issues, which honestly, it's driving me insane.
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So first of all, we know that he cheated on the first wife and impregnated the child's
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So you're in, you're jeopardizing an important relationship in the child's life, right?
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Like presumably the nanny matters to the child and you're about to blow up your marriage.
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So some stability with the caretaker would be nice, but you're screwing that up too, because
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you're screwing the nanny, then he impregnates her.
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Then on top of that, the Daily Mail, all of which he's admitted that he's admitted that
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then on top of that, the Daily Mail comes out with a second report saying he bragged
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to his next girlfriend that he made the nanny signed an NDA and paid her $80,000 to stay
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quiet because, and we're at least in connection with this, she lost the baby in under circumstances
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We don't know exactly what happened, but the Daily Mail reports that there was an emergency
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at the nanny's home that EMTs were called and that it was a serious emergency.
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And after this, she blames him for losing the baby that he impregnated her with.
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So then in that second report, the Daily Mail reveals, this he hasn't admitted to, that he
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found a girlfriend in 2012, like 18 months before he met Kamala.
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And they were at con, they were in conference at some red carpet, black tie event and for
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And she's a professional, she's a lawyer, she's beautiful.
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And that he was so angry, she touched the shoulder of a valet to get his attention.
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He open hand slapped her so hard across the face, she spun.
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She was so scared of the beating continuing, she called her male friend back in New York
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to get him on the phone so that he couldn't do anything to her now.
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That guy spoke to the Daily Mail, as did two of her other friends, at least one of whom
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was able to give a contemporaneous account of what she was told.
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And this woman broke up with him and provided receipts, obviously, that came from the woman.
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How else would the friends have her airline tickets?
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Um, and that he denies only through a campaign spokesperson, person in passive terms.
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I believe every word because you know what would happen, Tucker, you're a public figure.
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If somebody came out and said, Tucker Carlson beat the girlfriend he had before he married
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Susie, you would very easily produce said girlfriend to say, this is a vicious lie.
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It ended, but we're friends or it ended badly, but he never hit me.
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And he's had three interviews so far, including with MSNBC, which is supposed to be a news
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I mean, it's, I'm not surprised at all because he's a self-described feminist who's redefining
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masculinity and people like that always hate women.
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They have no self-respect and anyone who doesn't respect himself is definitely not going to
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It was always, you know, the peace, love, patchouli guys in college who would rough up
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What shocks me is that Joe Scarborough could do an interview with him and literally not
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I just think there's no kind of depth to their shame either.
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Like these are the same people who told us that Biden was a genius, not senile at all.
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Then that it was a cheap fake, you know, the evidence to the contrary, and that all of us
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She spent the majority of her time bashing Trump.
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She wanted to go on Fox News into the belly of the beast and just bashed Donald Trump.
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It was a one-long game of Trump the pinata with a bunch of attacks that, in many cases,
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This, Madam Vice President, was the wrong strategy.
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Because I worked at the place for 14, 13 years, and I know the Fox viewers very well.
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And you do not win Fox viewers over by bashing Donald Trump.
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You win them, if they're winnable at all, by showing them, the ones who aren't huge Trump
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fans but are Republicans or have voted Republican or at least kind of Trump open-minded, you show
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those people that you are a better option because you can help improve their lives, that they can
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trust you, and that you aren't as radical as they have been hearing every day, all day, on Fox News for a year.
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Instead, what Kamala Harris did was she took every opportunity to show the audience she, and really Joe Biden,
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are the chief sufferers of Trump derangement syndrome.
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She lied over and over and over on her positions, on her policies.
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And the worst sin was, and we saw it over and over, she dodged question after question after question after question after question,
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and then played the victim trying to sound indignant when Brett tried to get her back on track.
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That was the biggest dynamic of the whole interview.
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Time and time again, she failed to answer the questions.
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I mean, on big issues, immigration, whether we should use taxpayer dollars to fund trans surgeries
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for prisoners and illegals, which is important but also is a stand-in for the overall issue of trans
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Finally, Brett asked her about Biden's mental acuity.
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That was her go-to trick, either with non-responsive pablum, that was her number one choice,
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Just get out of bounds, talk about something totally unrelated.
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And honestly, this is a politician's trick, and it's not unusual to see it.
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The only thing of substance she said was Trump sucks.
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And that's the wrong strategy when dealing with Fox viewers.
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And then when Brett would try to redirect her back to the question asked, she acted like he was rude.
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A word her lapdog media sycophants keep repeating today.
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Let me tell you something about, to those of you morons who think that Brett was rude in trying to get her to answer the question asked.
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But in that half an hour exchange, it is Brett Baer's heir.
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You don't go out and deal with the advertisers.
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Roger used to tell us, never thank anybody for being on your show.
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He used to say, don't say thank you for being here.
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You're giving them a massive audience of several million people.
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I don't know what the ratings will be for last night, but it'll be big.
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And it's your job to control the air when you have a guest on to keep it interesting for your audience, to keep the car driving straight ahead, and to not let it veer too far off the track.
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Brett is employed because Fox believes accurately that he will deduce what his audience wants to have asked and seen discussed.
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It is not up to her to come hijack the entire interview with empty talking points we've heard 10,000 times.
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He did absolutely the right thing by redirecting her over and over to the question asked, and on behalf of his audience, pressing her for a real answer.
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I thought he crushed it, which I posted on Twitter last night.
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Now, her little act today is being praised by the left as, you know, she looked tough.
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This was a candidate incapable of answering hard questions over and over, trying to dodge long enough to ideally distract the questioner.
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And when Brett was not distracted, then she would begin to whine that she wasn't being allowed to answer.
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Tough is answering the hard questions, which, let's face it, virtually every president, a candidate, can do.
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When it's one of his favorite issues, he'll go right there.
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She blew a big chance to define herself in a new way, to say, take the border.
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But look, Brett, I was vice president, not president.
00:31:14.320
You know, I've seen what has happened to people like Jocelyn, the young girl who was 12, who was murdered by an illegal she let in.
00:31:25.720
Having had this experience in the number two spot has only made me more resolved should I be elevated to take care of this problem.
00:31:32.580
And here are the executive orders I will issue on day one to do it, irrespective of whether I can get Congress to cooperate with me.
00:31:49.160
Instead of her myopic little $25,000 for first time homebuyers.
00:31:54.860
It's not big, not big enough to just make it your platform.
00:31:59.080
She should have said Trump spent us into oblivion.
00:32:06.240
Now that I might be in charge, I'll take a more reasonable approach and we'll fight the debt and we'll fight inflation.
00:32:16.420
She doesn't even understand those three plans she's unveiled.
00:32:18.960
She's been given some talking points, which she repeats incessantly, and they're empty.
00:32:23.120
She should have given some points that sounded reasonable to Fox viewers.
00:32:30.720
She admitted the border's broken, but she took no responsibility.
00:32:34.700
And then she tried to gaslight us into believing she's really Stephen Miller, Trump's border guy.
00:32:40.580
Fingers in the belt loops, the thumbs in the belt loops.
00:32:42.960
John Wayne, she came out last night with her little routine.
00:32:45.640
I'm the only one who's prosecuted transnational criminal, whatever.
00:32:55.680
But frankly, it was downright embarrassing she didn't have an answer on that.
00:33:09.240
You should really listen to this show more because I could help you.
00:33:12.460
You should have said something like, Brett, what I saw was an older president who had moments of forgetting his words sometimes or his train of thought, but was still entirely capable.
00:33:29.400
And as you know, within weeks of that, he resolved not to run for a second term.
00:33:34.580
But what she said in the interview was, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
00:33:41.040
She was, the TDS was like coming out of her ears.
00:33:43.940
That's not responsive to what did you know and when did you know it, which was really his question.
00:33:50.840
So none of this is going to assuage even a single viewer who watches Fox, who thinks you lied, you cooed, and you won't admit it.
00:34:01.900
All right, we're going to go through this more specifically.
00:34:04.120
Let's start with immigration, which is where Brett started.
00:34:09.620
And here's a little montage of how he pressed her.
00:34:12.300
How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years?
00:34:22.980
Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because I agree with you.
00:34:25.860
It is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have.
00:34:32.140
And you know what I'm going to talk about right now.
00:34:40.720
That we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired.
00:34:44.980
So your Homeland Security Secretary said that 85% of apprehensions.
00:34:50.800
It's a rough estimate of six million people have been released into the country.
00:34:58.300
And when you came into office, your administration immediately reversed a number of Trump border policies.
00:35:03.680
Looking back, do you regret the decision to terminate Remain in Mexico at the beginning of your administration?
00:35:11.600
The first bill, practically within hours of taking the oath, was a bill to fix our immigration system.
00:35:19.160
It was called the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021.
00:35:30.920
You had the White House and the House and the Senate, and they didn't bring up that bill.
00:35:34.760
Responding to the point you're raising, and I'd like to finish.
00:35:40.520
We recognized from day one that to the point of this being your first question, it is a priority for us as a nation and for the American people.
00:35:55.120
And then to Brett's credit, he followed up with, you were in control.
00:36:06.340
You know, he said Democrats voted against the bill and so on.
00:36:08.620
So they got into it on immigration, and he didn't let her slide for one second.
00:36:14.320
I don't understand, like, these media writers out there may not know what it's like to be a Republican or an independent or a right-leaning person and how frustrating it is to watch her get away with her lies.
00:36:23.540
It's a soothing balm to watch somebody actually confront her with the real facts.
00:36:28.400
Okay, your stupid amnesty bill in 2021, which you purported to be a tough-on-the-border bill, was a joke from day one.
00:36:35.600
It was your Democrat-controlled House that killed it, and the White House didn't push it.
00:36:41.680
Stop trying to refer to that like it was your day-one priority.
00:36:44.640
What you actually did on day one was issue a bunch of executive orders that undid all of Trump's harder border policies, like remain in Mexico.
00:36:53.540
Like cracking down on the number of asylum claims, like you reversed the building of the wall and sold off the parts for cash.
00:37:08.320
She recently stumbled upon the fact, oh, gee, we had a 2021 bill that was kind of amnesty with a couple of border enforcement things.
00:37:16.380
And then she goes right to her 2024 border effort that, oh, we had Republicans cooperating with us, and Trump killed it because he'd rather run on a problem than run on a solution.
00:37:30.300
And as for the three and a half years between those two points, she's got nothing.
00:37:33.300
So he presses her in a great way by bringing up some of the families that you guys have seen and heard from on this show, the victims of her policies and Biden's policies, including the mother of little Jocelyn Nugare.
00:37:49.580
Jocelyn Nugare, Rachel Morin, Lakin Riley, they are young women who were brutally assaulted and killed by some of the men who were released at the beginning of the administration, well before a negotiated bipartisan bill.
00:38:09.480
This is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country.
00:38:14.900
So what I'm saying to you, do you owe those families an apology?
00:38:19.920
Let me just say, first of all, those are tragic cases.
00:38:26.020
And I can't imagine the pain that the families of those victims have experienced for a loss that should not have occurred.
00:38:39.220
It is also true that if a border security had actually been passed nine months ago, it would be nine months that we would have had more border agents at the border, more support for the folks who are working around the clock trying to hold it all together to ensure that no future harm would occur.
00:39:02.100
So do you owe them an apology is what I'm saying?
00:39:05.580
I will tell you that I am so sorry for her loss.
00:39:13.040
But let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to participate in solutions.
00:39:25.300
In all fairness, I told you, I feel awful for what she and her family have experienced.
00:39:49.020
And I'll give her points for starting off right by showing some empathy for the families.
00:39:55.180
However, the pivot was right to the nine months since that one stupid mirage of a border bill was tanked.
00:40:04.240
That totally ignores what these parents, these families have been testifying to, which is she opened the border.
00:40:11.680
She and Joe Biden opened the border and we had 10.4 million illegals come through and tens of thousands of them turned out to be criminals of one sort or another.
00:40:25.880
And young girls have been murdered, raped, murdered, tortured.
00:40:37.800
I'm telling you, that shit is not going to fly on Fox News Channel with those viewers.
00:40:44.360
Immigration is one of their biggest issues and her taking no responsibility, none whatsoever, and just trying to shove that fake border bill down their throat.
00:40:57.840
How is any of that any different from all that you've done in this race so far?
00:41:08.560
So, once again, she failed to own up to what she and her administration have done.
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00:41:53.400
Let me start with two observations before we get into the Kamala stuff because I think all of us have got thoughts on that.
00:41:58.780
First of all, Brett Baer did an absolutely exceptional job.
00:42:02.940
I mean, he's one of very few, remarkably few journalists, yourself included.
00:42:08.520
That when you get into a situation where you're interviewing a public figure of some significance, that they can actually do their job in a way that journalism is supposed to be done.
00:42:18.880
Second of all, what I found so hilarious about the reaction to all of this is the Democrats acting like she just stormed the beaches at Normandy.
00:42:29.300
Like, that's the job that people are supposed to do who call themselves journalists.
00:42:33.660
And, like, Brett is an absolute blue-chip journalist.
00:42:38.220
He did the same thing to Donald Trump, by the way.
00:42:40.560
You know, so, listen, I understand that they don't watch Fox, so they don't know what actual journalism looks like on Special Report at 6 o'clock.
00:42:49.500
Or any, but, or any channel, I guess it's not available, but they, it's been so long, and by that I mean never, that Kamala Harris has had a challenging interview since she became the nominee.
00:43:00.920
They don't even understand it when they see it.
00:43:07.000
Instead of being like, oh, journalism, they're like, he's so, I'll give you a sampling, guys.
00:43:11.920
And here is a little bit of the media meltdown in response to that interview.
00:43:20.920
We witnessed a man who spent his life as a down-the-middle journalist, seeming to throw it all away for his audience of one, interrupting the vice president awkwardly and unnecessarily.
00:43:43.680
The attack move from the beginning was, was quite stunning.
00:43:47.220
Vice President Kamala Harris kicks Brett Baer's ass.
00:43:52.140
It was an extraordinary performance from the vice president in hostile territory.
00:43:56.860
And frankly, Brett Baer should leave, quit the job, and go to a monastery and hope to atone.
00:44:02.460
Yeah, the lib media reaction is exactly what I was waiting for this morning after I saw it last night.
00:44:14.640
I mean, every morning when I get up, I like to say today is going to be an insane day.
00:44:18.420
And what I saw this morning out of the left-wing media just did not disappoint.
00:44:28.760
And, you know, Democrats for weeks have been telling, begging Kamala Harris's campaign to distance herself from President Biden.
00:44:39.100
And Brett Baer gave her numerous opportunities.
00:44:41.320
He was like, look, you know, 80% of this country thinks we're on the wrong track.
00:44:46.060
Is there anything you would have done differently in the last three and a half years?
00:44:50.080
He asked her, OK, what's going to be different about your administration than Joe Biden?
00:44:53.880
The best she could do is, well, I will be a different person.
00:44:58.320
It'll be a, you know, a different person will be taking the oath.
00:45:05.620
You would think on Fox News, if they had a strategy as a presidential campaign to make that pivot, to make distance between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, do it on Fox.
00:45:16.940
You've got people willing to hear that message that are independent, that are conservative leading.
00:45:23.640
That's what is blowing my mind about this, is it was a huge opportunity for Kamala Harris to finally make that pivot.
00:45:34.340
Like, this is, for whatever you saw of Kamala Harris, and I think it was an abject disaster for her, for all the reasons that you pointed out in your monologue at the top, she doesn't have, that's as good as you're going to get.
00:45:45.620
Like, it doesn't get any better for her than that.
00:45:48.900
I mean, imagine you spent the last two weeks not being able to answer the simple question of what you would do differently, and then you get a shot to redo it, and you still haven't come up with anything.
00:45:57.160
Like, sooner or later, you're just like, well, I guess it's all we got.
00:46:10.460
Like, that business about, against the American people!
00:46:14.620
She's got to be aware she has a terrible voice.
00:46:17.460
As Maureen Callahan describes it, it's vocal fry adjacent.
00:46:23.340
And there's a clip online on Twitter where it has a split screen of her with, like, the angry, scolding look, and Bret Baier as follows.
00:46:35.500
And they were like, there isn't a man alive who can't relate to this.
00:46:40.540
And I teed up just a little sampling of what I am referring to.
00:46:51.440
I'm in the middle of responding to the point you're raising.
00:46:56.440
Turning the page on rhetoric that people are, frankly, exhausted of Bret.
00:47:15.220
I'm telling you that was the question that we asked him.
00:47:24.100
And in a democracy, the president of the United States in the United States of America should be willing to be able to handle criticism.
00:47:35.480
My take on that, guys, is, like, that the young gals might be looking for, like, a girl boss moment.
00:47:43.980
She's already got them because they want abortions.
00:47:48.480
And you tell me what, what man is out there like, I want to spend more time with that.
00:47:53.540
I mean, so I believe it was actually Roger Ailes who would point out that if you watch people on mute just for the body language, it's extremely telling of what's happening there.
00:48:04.980
And I actually, after I'd watched it, I muted it.
00:48:10.120
But just looking at her body language, the last 30 seconds for me were just completely critical.
00:48:15.700
She was back in her chair, arms folded, just giving off as much hostility as physically possible a person can convey.
00:48:23.200
That whole interview, she basically came off as being someone who is angry, combative, extremely unlikable.
00:48:31.700
And she's not serving herself any favors with male voters, with female voters, with any voting bloc, except for the left who has found themselves in a position where they want to be gaslit, where they want to say, oh, she won the day.
00:48:45.980
Yes, I am happy she does not want to answer any questions for me.
00:48:50.340
Brett Baer, you know, it's sad that the state of being a great journalist is asking questions the average American would want to know.
00:48:57.080
At what point did you notice Joe Biden had cognitive decline?
00:49:00.460
One of the things that makes Brett so good at this gig is that he exudes his comfortability, right?
00:49:07.780
And at one point she was just trying to talk over him the whole time, and he's like, I think we're just talking over each other.
00:49:14.040
It's this disarming way, as a viewer, you watch it, and you're like, oh, he's got total control of this situation.
00:49:19.420
Meanwhile, you look at her, and it's like, it's just combative.
00:49:25.260
So, first of all, I do want to say, it is, I'm going to read you this quote, because it plays right off of what you're saying, but the opposite view.
00:49:33.360
Brett revealed after the interview that they got there late.
00:49:38.200
His show starts at 6, and when you're doing what's called an As Live, where you're doing an interview that's pre-taped,
00:49:43.300
and you're just going to run it as was, you know, without edits, it does take some time to ingest it into the system and to turn it.
00:49:50.180
Like, you can't be doing that interview up till 5.58 and make air at 6.
00:49:56.080
Trust me, we've been in this position many times on many shows I've done.
00:49:59.260
And so, it was important that it go from 5 to 5.30, as she agreed to do.
00:50:04.200
He revealed after the fact she didn't show up until 5.15, and sat down, fine, he was a pro, he started taping it with her,
00:50:11.480
and that 25 minutes in, instead of 30, her team was giving him the hard rap.
00:50:16.480
He said four of her staffers were behind her, like, rap, rap, which explains why he was like, he even said it in the interview, like,
00:50:23.820
I'm getting the hard rap here, which is so weird, because it must have been over the top,
00:50:29.000
because if you've got staffers telling you a hard rap is necessary, but the candidate is speaking and going on,
00:50:43.820
So, they were in a panic, because they knew it wasn't going well, and they really tried to F him,
00:50:48.080
which, by the way, did increase the time pressure on Brett.
00:50:51.680
He knew he had to get through these subjects, and to stop the talking points, and the non-sequiturs,
00:50:56.800
and he did a great job of it, but here's what I wanted to read you.
00:50:59.580
There's a lot of crazy media reaction, but this guy stood out to me.
00:51:04.140
His name is Dominic Patton, and it's just over the top.
00:51:09.680
Having been roasted online by the MAGA base in anticipation of softball questions,
00:51:14.600
quote, real journalist, as the VP called him at one point.
00:51:19.860
She called him a serious journalist, so already you fucked up your facts.
00:51:24.440
Brett barely let the VP get a word in during the opening part of the sit-down.
00:51:29.200
As Bear played largely to the MAGA base and his core viewership,
00:51:34.460
the veteran anchor appeared largely out of his depth.
00:51:38.740
Challenged on his questions and wanting to flex his own muscles,
00:51:42.520
Bear ended up fumbling his line of questioning and losing control of the interview to the well-prepped VP
00:51:51.720
as he got caught up in centering over and over on culture war issues and Joe Biden's mental acuity.
00:52:03.640
Well, Megan, you know, when I want analysis on depth, the first place I usually turn is Deadline.
00:52:10.400
And I tell you how many opportunities I've had to, like, go to Deadline and just doubt what is really going on behind the scenes.
00:52:20.500
You just you don't know until you read Deadline.
00:52:23.280
One of the things that was interesting to me about the four staffers waving their hands in the background is what subject they were covering when they did it.
00:52:30.740
She was getting very weak on Iran and they lost their minds.
00:52:34.400
We can't let her keep talking about Iran because we have Iran sympathists who are working for us.
00:52:48.600
Well, you know, you've got to make some clarifying points during an answer in which, like, they all start with,
00:52:54.400
well, we really got to go back to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles before we talk about the border crisis.
00:53:01.360
You know, like she was clearly stalling for time because she didn't want to have to answer the question.
00:53:05.300
I mean, it was Brett who had to name check the bill she was referencing that would, quote, secure the border.
00:53:15.520
And then she talks about, well, in the last nine months, we could have passed a bill that would have strengthened all these things.
00:53:21.100
And, yes, he has to clarify, well, that doesn't help Lake and Riley because the illegal immigrant that murdered her got in in, you know, 2022.
00:53:31.220
I know that's uncomfortable for them that she got asked real questions, but it's nice that finally.
00:53:36.680
I mean, that's the thing that's so blatantly obvious about it.
00:53:39.160
First of all, the fever swamp that the deadline guy lives in.
00:53:41.920
You look at that and get the hell out as fast as possible.
00:53:45.520
But, like, they're so unaccustomed to any sort of real pushing or questioning.
00:53:51.380
I mean, look, this lady's been the nominee of the Democratic Party since mid-July.
00:53:56.280
I mean, the fact that she's on stage in the first place is because of the mental decline, obviously, of her boss.
00:54:02.080
And that's why he got off the ticket and she's on it.
00:54:06.000
That's the first time anybody's ever said, hey, Connell, did you ever notice that the guy couldn't complete a sentence?
00:54:11.620
The rest of the media can't do it because they were in on it.
00:54:14.720
See, this is the first person she has sat with who wasn't in on it and therefore had no qualms about saying, yo, he's been in decline for a long time and you've been vouching for him.
00:54:27.180
Let me read you something on the interruptions.
00:54:29.020
I mean, this is, first of all, David Plouffe, who's, I think, running her campaign, tweeted out right after it was over, Kamala Harris, strong.
00:54:36.320
Now, you tell me when you have to tell the people she was strong, you know, you don't really see Donald Trump's people tweeting out Donald Trump, strong.
00:54:45.520
We know Kamala Harris, strong, handled an ambush.
00:54:50.220
Fox interview light years better than the the hash Donald Trump unstable made of the Fox pep rally disguised as a town hall.
00:55:01.100
Brett Baer was downright rude and disrespectful.
00:55:08.260
Dan Pfeiffer, who's part of that pod Save America, right?
00:55:12.460
Brett Baer likes to dress up as a journalist, but he is as committed to the larger Fox News project as Hannity or Pirro.
00:55:20.060
Harris, Harris handled that Fox News interview with confidence and skill.
00:55:25.060
Now, try to imagine Donald Trump handling tough, antagonistic questions.
00:55:36.700
Three months ago, they were all saying, no, Joe Biden's a mental giant behind the scenes.
00:55:40.980
Today, they're saying, oh, Kamala was really strong.
00:55:44.760
Well, then, OK, people like Pluff and Pfeiffer are humiliating themselves.
00:55:50.700
Like, the pod Save guys got in trouble with their employees going on strike because their houses are an architectural digest.
00:55:56.520
Like, you don't have to humiliate yourself like this.
00:56:02.780
Maybe they just really don't like interruptions, like Claire McCaskill, all these MSNBCers.
00:56:06.640
Maybe they really don't like interruptions, as we heard on MSNBC, we heard on CNN.
00:56:14.500
The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.
00:56:28.940
You know, this is 60 Minutes, and we can't put on things we can't verify.
00:56:33.840
You won't put it on because it's bad for Biden.
00:56:47.560
The American people want us to talk about how to make their lives better.
00:56:52.820
The unselect committee destroyed all the evidence.
00:57:02.740
No, what I want to talk about, what I want to talk about...
00:57:05.820
Instead of about the fact that Kamala Harris, Danny, granted amnesty at a mass level.
00:57:09.880
You were the one who started talking about eating dogs and cats.
00:57:15.980
I have another one where I have a hostile judge...
00:57:19.200
Sir, if you don't mind, we have you for a limited time, sir.
00:57:20.660
I'd love to move on to different topics if we can.
00:57:37.020
But the unemployment rate, Lulu, this is important.
00:57:38.680
But most people who don't work can't work in the regular economy.
00:57:42.760
Maybe they are okay, depending on who's across from the journalist at issue.
00:57:51.820
The problem is that there aren't any Walter Cronkite roaming around those mainstream corporate
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She says exactly the same thing everywhere she goes.
00:59:37.840
It's just some amorphous goal that she's using to try to make herself sound like Barack Obama,
00:59:58.840
You know, listen, we have 23 days as of today until the election, and I am in these streets
01:00:07.860
And I am out here doing the work of earning then the vote so that we can get to the job
01:00:16.420
And for me, that is about pushing for an opportunity economy, which is about tapping into the ambitions
01:00:26.100
I know the ambitions, the aspirations, the incredible work ethic that exists in our community.
01:00:34.540
I know the dreams that exist, but not everyone has started out on the same base in terms of being
01:00:46.700
So my plan is to build what I call an opportunity economy, which means giving people an opportunity
01:00:54.380
to actually achieve those ambitions, those goals, and those dreams.
01:00:58.600
Oh my God, Charlie, I can't, Charlie, even my intellect cannot handle it.
01:01:05.460
And I can't imagine what it is like for someone with your big brain.
01:01:13.280
I misread a quote about what she says in it for the name of the podcast, which I confess
01:01:25.240
See, I think, as I've said before, that people mistake what's going on here.
01:01:31.400
They think she's not eloquent, or that she's nervous, or that she's just unused to speaking
01:01:38.680
But I think what we just saw was another example of how she just doesn't have anything in her
01:01:56.020
The description of the economy she says she wants to build never gets beyond that.
01:02:01.940
I mean, you're right to point out that she uses the same three words, but she's been
01:02:06.740
tweeting recently, and that's why I have a plan.
01:02:15.160
Now, I understand that politics is about more than white papers.
01:02:18.320
I understand you have to talk in generalities to some extent, show where you stand and for
01:02:27.720
But there are very few politicians who limit their entire verbal output to cliches.
01:02:40.080
I mean, a good example of this was in her interview with Stephanie Rule, partly a hardball sit down,
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where she said, you know, we need to make the rich pay their fair share.
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That's a cliche that has been uttered by Joe Biden and Barack Obama before her.
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And then Stephanie Rule said to her, well, what happens if Congress is run by Republicans
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I don't believe there is anything more to Kamala Harris than you just saw.
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And I think your listeners by this point should know I'm fair minded enough to accept when
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You know, we could talk for days about why I didn't like Barack Obama.
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And obviously, the man had thought about what he believed and what he wanted to do.
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You know, Bill Clinton, by all accounts, was somebody who could answer the second question
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and the third question and the fourth question, who really was interested in policy as the governor
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of Arkansas and then as president of the United States.
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Harris has never shown in anything that she has done before or after this candidacy that
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she has any knowledge whatsoever beyond the first point.
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She just repeats these phrases and then moves on.
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Listen to her in Scottsdale, Arizona, speaking specifically to what is at stake in this election.
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So when we think about what's at stake in this election, whoa, it's packed with some stuff.
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She knows at one level that she's got nothing there.
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She's got a few tricks and she trots them out and she tries each time to say it like it's the first time she's saying it.
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It'd be one thing if these were sprinkled amidst more substantive policy prescriptions.
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But here she was sitting down with Roland Martin and sought one.
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There's somebody who's saying, why should I trust her with the power of being commander in chief?
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And I know we are people who have the character that have ambition, that have aspirations, dreams.
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And I intend to be a president who meets people with opportunities for them to to not just get by, but get ahead.
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No, it's what she calls an opportunity economy.
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My team doesn't show me all these before the show.
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They just they just tell me about them in the packet.
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I really don't know how much more of this I can handle.
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It's ludicrous that this person is running for president.
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She's not she's not really that more cogent than he is.
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She doesn't, you know, produces that many more sentences than he does.
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And it's actually even worse when you really look at it, because not only is it substanceless and she's trying to run this vibes campaign where you just fill in the blank.
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Like, oh, there's some stuff in this election and you fill it in.
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Now, compare that, you know, to Donald Trump and Donald Trump will go on stage and he'll he's like it's like the difference between a nervous person on a date.
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And then, you know, a pro like Trump with the opposite sex that, you know, Kamala says, like, oh, I like you so much.
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Trump comes to Detroit and says something like, you know, I could be on a on one of my beaches.
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But I'm here in Detroit because I want to save the country or something like that.
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And he's like he's literally teasing them like I don't really want to be here.
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Maybe Michigan, I kind of think it's kind of a dump in some ways and they love him for it.
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It just shows so much more social intelligence and relatability than what Kamala is doing.
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What Kamala is doing is just it looks like she's trying to survive the moment like she's constantly reaching for the life raft to pull her into the boat with each question.
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And that fundamentally doesn't you don't look at that performance in a in an interview, a low pressure interview with someone who's sympathetic to you.
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And you don't look at that performance and say, oh, that's what I want in an executive, which is what the president is.
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You look at Trump and he's just joking around with you.
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You know, he'll say something like, you know, we're real conservative.
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So, yeah, I think that's fundamentally why she's she is sinking in the polls.
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I mean, people don't want another, you know, blank card in the White House.
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There's a way in which, you know, the the the tickets Democrats have put forward is sort of a fake.
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Right. It's sort of like Joe Biden was kind of Barack Obama's affirmative action candidate for vice president.
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Like, OK, I need to fill out a white guy on my ticket to reassure people.
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Biden specifically casts Kamala Harris as a kind of affirmative action to hire, like, OK, I need a black woman on my ticket.
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And then she does the same thing to Tim Walz, like I need another affirmative action.
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So you get this feeling that they are just empty representations on the face of a progressive blob that does its own thinking and that they're not really even in charge of themselves.
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And if they're not in charge of themselves, why would you elect them to be in charge of the country?
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But speaking of foreign policy, here's another thing.
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She she not only can she not think, Charlie, I completely agree with that.
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She she memorized, I think, note cards on various subjects to be able to handle that debate.
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And if she wasn't primed for that debate on a subject, she's out.
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They as everybody knows, they did not release the transcript.
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So we don't know exactly what was taken out of the interview.
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But they did put some portion of the outtakes on what's called 60 Minutes Extra, which is the online property.
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Well, they'll show you some overtime, I mean, which is which is like they're they'll show you their next favorite collection of exchanges that didn't quite make the cut.
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And in that they aired some more foreign policy questions, like they asked her about China and Taiwan.
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And she said, I'm not going to answer hypotheticals as though this were a deposition.
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And, you know, she had been trained to not give anything more to her cross examiner than was necessary, as opposed to a job interview with us where we're actually entitled to know how she sees that issue, which is really important.
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And then she gets to Iran and she does it again.
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Which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary?
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I think there's an obvious one in mind, which is Iran.
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OK, this attack on Israel, 200 ballistic missiles.
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What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power.
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So if you have proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, would you take military action?
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I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment.
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Then, by the time we got to this past Friday, three days ago, she was on a call with Jewish voters.
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Clearly, she doesn't have an aversion to answering hypotheticals.
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She just didn't know when Bill Whitaker asked her what to say.
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Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary
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to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.
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And I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
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You could just as easily imagine her saying the opposite words.
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And that is just not true of her opponent, who has many of his own flaws and doesn't do
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You know, I have long defended, much to the groans of many conservatives, many of the career
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politicians that we have present in our system and have had historically.
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You know, it's easy to gripe about career politicians.
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And when you mean people who believe in nothing and just go along with it for the pension, I
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Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan.
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And one of the reasons that it can be so useful to be a career politician, that dreaded thing,
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is because over time, if you have a genuine interest in politics, then you build up a genuine
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Now, I always, when asked how I got into politics, will tell people I didn't know anything
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That was the moment when I thought I should learn some things about the world.
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And I thought, I need to develop some theories about the world, because I had just lived in
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And since then, and I'm not running for president, don't worry.
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But since then, I have, just because I work in politics and I'm interested in politics,
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and you end up listening to people who are interested in and interesting about politics,
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develop certain theories about the law and about taxes and about foreign policy and about
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the relationship between the federal government and the states and so on and so forth.
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This is something that happens naturally if you spend time in this arena.
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Well, Harris has been in politics in one way or another now for more than 20 years.
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And she genuinely does not seem to have any interest or information or education about
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And those examples you gave were great, because what they show is she had been briefed probably
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about Iran most recently, because it is currently in the news in relation to Israel.
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So she was asked, well, which is the worst country?
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And she said, well, it's got to be Iran, because that was the last one she'd heard.
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But she hadn't thought about the next bit, which is, well, would you do anything about
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So the next time that the topic comes up, she makes sure that she's been told that particular
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piece of information she's developed or had written out for her, an answer on that.
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But again, if you said to her a follow up, and I don't know what that would be, because
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But if you said a follow up, well, how would you strike them?
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What about their backup facility in make up the city here?
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I don't think she'd have an answer, because I really do think that her interest and knowledge
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in this is limited to, as Michael said, the exact moment.
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The purpose at any given point for Harris is to get through the interview or get through
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She doesn't have a vision of the United States.
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I am a huge critic of Trump's in many, many ways.
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But the one thing that is weird about Trump is, although I disagree with a lot of the views
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that he has held since the 1980s, he actually does have a vision of the United States.
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He knows by whom he thinks we are getting screwed.
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He knows which rules he thinks ought to change.
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He knows which people he thinks have been left behind.
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Now, I will argue against him on this until I'm blue in the face when I disagree with
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But he did enter politics with more than just the aspiration of getting elected.
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And I wonder if he does win in November, whether that's going to ultimately be the difference.
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She doesn't know the answer, MBD, unless it's been written out for her and she's reading it
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in a prompter or like on that call in which she was not on cam or it was on one of those
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