The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Tucker Carlson on Biden Debate Debacle, Megyn on Kamala's Fox News Failure

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.740 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's weekend best of special.

00:00:47.980 We had a busy week this week.

00:00:49.960 My friend Tucker Carlson was here to talk about his new special, Art of the Surge,

00:00:54.540 and why the 2024 election is truly one of the craziest of all time.

00:00:58.880 With the Democratic swap of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris after that debate debacle,

00:01:03.760 plus the incredible realignment we've seen with the Cheneys supporting Harris and a candidate

00:01:08.680 supporting Trump.

00:01:09.860 Plus, we got into Kamala's week in the spotlight from her sit down on Fox News, 0.71

00:01:14.160 my analysis of her total failure, plus our friends from the Ruthless program,

00:01:18.720 and we talked about her attempt to court Black men with National Review's Charlie Cook and MBD.

00:01:25.020 Enjoy, and talk to you Monday.

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00:01:59.280 You and your Fox EP, Justin Wells, embark on this project in June,

00:02:04.660 and you're not thinking,

00:02:06.280 you're going to have the kind of summer that we had.

00:02:09.500 I mean, how could you possibly have been envisioning anything that happened?

00:02:14.660 And yet, you know, you're up close and personal for the most bizarre, compelling,

00:02:22.640 interesting, consequential election in U.S. history, at least one of them.

00:02:28.040 Modern history, I think it's fair to say.

00:02:30.400 Especially that debate in which Biden collapsed and the assassination attempt,

00:02:36.840 the one where he was shot.

00:02:37.880 I mean, you and Justin had to be behind the scenes like, oh, my God.

00:02:40.740 Oh, wow.

00:02:42.280 Well, it was unbelievable.

00:02:43.580 I mean, I was not there for the debate.

00:02:46.980 I mean, I really wasn't there for much of it at all.

00:02:49.580 But the camera was there.

00:02:51.960 My personal favorite so far, so we've got three episodes up.

00:02:57.940 I think I've got four and five are coming, and it goes to six.

00:03:01.080 But is the reaction shot backstage during the debate of all the, you know, VIPs who've been

00:03:08.380 accompanying Trump, members of Congress, watching Joe Biden melt down on stage.

00:03:13.720 And these are people who do politics for a living and know Biden personally and are sort

00:03:18.380 of like have what they think is going to happen in mind.

00:03:21.200 And what actually happens is so shocking to them that it's truly unscripted.

00:03:26.420 Like, you just can't.

00:03:27.260 They're sitting there with just jaws agape.

00:03:29.440 They can't believe this guy is melting down the way that he is.

00:03:32.260 Yeah.

00:03:32.500 It's really an amazing.

00:03:34.220 We have it.

00:03:34.740 But the whole thing.

00:03:35.300 I mean, you're open.

00:03:36.320 Let's watch a little bit of that because it is amazing.

00:03:39.740 Like, when I watched it, I had the same reaction.

00:03:43.500 Of course, we were all having the same reaction in our homes.

00:03:45.700 But to see Team Trump and others backstage watching it as we did is something else entirely.

00:03:51.860 Watch it.

00:03:52.180 Here it is.

00:03:53.540 Biden does not sound good right now.

00:03:55.340 So we'll see.

00:03:58.600 To $15 for an insulin shot as opposed to $400.

00:04:04.600 No senior has to pay more than $200 for any drug, all the drugs they can include beginning

00:04:10.000 next year.

00:04:11.040 His debt will be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care,

00:04:15.700 older care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making

00:04:20.580 sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been

00:04:26.440 able to do with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with

00:04:33.980 look, if we finally beat Medicare.

00:04:41.580 Thank you, President Biden.

00:04:43.100 President Trump?

00:04:43.620 Oh, if you saw that live as everyone did, you think, well, is it just me or was that

00:04:55.180 the most profound failure like ever captured on film?

00:04:59.700 And then you watch people who do this for a living.

00:05:01.500 Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, J.D.

00:05:02.920 Vance, Laura Trump.

00:05:04.420 Ben Carson.

00:05:06.260 They stop.

00:05:07.140 Ben Carson.

00:05:08.220 He stops in mid-bite looking at this?

00:05:11.900 I just love that.

00:05:13.560 And there's a lot like that. 0.98

00:05:14.420 Laura Trump speaks for us all when she goes, she mouths, WTF. 0.96

00:05:19.180 That's what we all felt.

00:05:22.360 I like her.

00:05:24.040 But as you said in your open so nicely, it was.

00:05:27.420 But you said this is a year where a Kennedy has endorsed Trump and Dick Cheney has endorsed

00:05:33.460 Kamala Harris.

00:05:34.160 I mean, that just kind of sums it up right there.

00:05:36.300 Not just the obvious drama, the meltdown, Biden dropping out, the assassination attempts

00:05:40.400 on Donald Trump, but just the total realignment in the most obvious, undeniable way of American

00:05:46.620 politics where Bobby Kennedy is on the campaign trail for Donald Trump and Dick Cheney and

00:05:51.800 his daughter are working for Kamala Harris.

00:05:54.520 I mean, like who who could have predicted that?

00:05:56.520 Nobody.

00:05:57.420 I know.

00:05:57.780 Right.

00:05:58.180 And I mean, what better recommendation for Trump and not for Kamala than to see the see the

00:06:03.920 world divide in that way?

00:06:05.100 I mean, it's it is kind of amazing, is it not, Tucker, to see them, the Cheneys now be

00:06:09.440 lionized by this Democrat Party?

00:06:11.860 And I mean, it's so dishonest.

00:06:14.580 At least she was asked.

00:06:17.400 Kamala was asked.

00:06:18.280 Who was it?

00:06:18.680 Who was it was asked about the Liz Cheney endorsement on Meet the Press?

00:06:24.500 It was.

00:06:25.040 Who was it?

00:06:25.460 Who was it, Steve, who was asked about it?

00:06:27.440 The Liz Cheney endorsement.

00:06:28.740 It was Kristen Welker.

00:06:30.820 But in any event, it's like, oh, she was asking Liz Cheney.

00:06:33.760 That's what it was.

00:06:34.240 She had Liz Cheney just the other day. 1.00

00:06:35.680 And she's like, you know, you said a lot of terrible things about Kamala just a few

00:06:40.700 short years ago.

00:06:42.420 You know, people might be left with the impression you're kind of insincere.

00:06:48.360 That's not really going to be the takeaway.

00:06:49.920 But does the Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney combo change the calculation here?

00:06:54.080 Well, I mean, it just puts it into stark relief, as you just said correctly, I think.

00:06:57.940 And it also raises questions for me personally, as someone who defended Dick Cheney for, I

00:07:02.960 don't know, like 25 years in public and always got the sense maybe there's something wrong

00:07:07.160 with Dick Cheney.

00:07:07.920 And why would you be so enthusiastic about shooting down a civilian airliner as he famously

00:07:12.240 was on 9-11?

00:07:14.120 And, you know, just the cost of these wars in human life was so high.

00:07:17.880 Doesn't that bother you?

00:07:18.800 And I kind of pushed all those thoughts into the back of my mind and didn't deal with them.

00:07:23.620 But they always did bother me on a gut level.

00:07:25.360 And I asked the other night, I was with Russell Brand, who I love, and I said to him, you

00:07:31.220 know, you kind of called this early.

00:07:32.680 What about Dick Cheney made you uncomfortable 20 years ago that I missed?

00:07:36.620 And he just said, he just seemed a bit evil.

00:07:39.880 You know, that's kind of true.

00:07:42.100 And I just felt shame for ignoring that.

00:07:44.600 I mean, it's just it's not it's like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons with Dick Cheney.

00:07:48.380 It's like not a tough call.

00:07:50.140 You don't need to be super spiritually aware to get an evil whiff off Dick Cheney.

00:07:54.420 And I just refused to see it.

00:07:56.460 And so I just want to apologize for that.

00:07:59.720 Well, I mean, I don't know how well this is going to do for her.

00:08:03.200 She's got some nine percent reportedly of Republican vote, like some sort of share of Republicans 1.00

00:08:10.200 is going to go for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:08:12.260 But are these real Republicans?

00:08:13.920 And these are probably the Nicole Wallace's, the Joe Scarborough's, you know, of the world.

00:08:18.940 These are not actual Republicans.

00:08:20.680 Like I predict and I think you'll agree with me, notwithstanding the number of Republicans,

00:08:25.060 even that work for Trump that are now endorsing Kamala, the Republican Party will come home

00:08:29.340 to Trump just as it did in 16 and 20.

00:08:32.340 I think I think that's right.

00:08:33.680 I think I mean, certainly Republican voters are four square behind Trump.

00:08:38.400 And by the way, they know Trump and they know all of the shortcomings very, very well.

00:08:42.660 They know them really well in the same way you do of like, you know, your favorite cousin.

00:08:46.040 It doesn't mean you don't love your cousin, but you know exactly your cousin is.

00:08:48.960 They know who Trump is.

00:08:49.600 They're not deluded.

00:08:50.340 They don't think he's God, but he they do think he's the one politician doesn't hate

00:08:55.140 them.

00:08:55.340 And that's the basis of of their requited love for him.

00:08:59.040 But what's interesting is that I think a huge percentage of the Republican leadership

00:09:02.900 in Washington is going to vote for Kamala Harris, whether they say so or not.

00:09:06.580 Mitch McConnell is voting Kamala Harris.

00:09:08.200 I mean, there's just no question about it.

00:09:09.580 The Bushes are voting Kamala Harris.

00:09:11.740 Oh, for sure.

00:09:12.900 Are you kidding?

00:09:13.920 Absolutely.

00:09:14.280 Well, I guess I bet money on it.

00:09:17.100 Yeah.

00:09:17.660 And but I just think there are a lot of Republican senators, for example, whose beliefs are much

00:09:24.620 closer to Kamala Harris's than they are to Trump's or to the Republican electorate.

00:09:29.320 That's what Liz Cheney was saying when trying to justify herself. 1.00

00:09:31.940 I'll play the soundbite when she went on with Kirsten Walker, 73.

00:09:36.700 Back in 2020, you said Kamala Harris, when she was announced as President Biden's running

00:09:41.460 mate, you called her a radical liberal whose policies, quote, are completely inconsistent 0.99

00:09:45.460 with what most Americans believe in and stand for.

00:09:49.380 I know that you don't view this as a policy election.

00:09:52.360 You've been very clear about that.

00:09:54.020 But are there policies that Kamala Harris supports that you also back?

00:09:59.340 Absolutely.

00:09:59.780 And I would say the extent to which, you know, she and I certainly have had our disagreements.

00:10:05.980 But when you look at the whole range of issues, for example, with respect to support for Ukraine,

00:10:11.860 with respect to the fact that, you know, she is saying that the United States has to

00:10:16.000 lead in the world.

00:10:17.120 Donald Trump is embracing tyrants.

00:10:19.580 Do you regret any of the language that you used to describe Harris and Biden at the time

00:10:22.980 they would dismantle our freedom, destroy our history, the type of language you're using

00:10:26.520 now about Donald Trump?

00:10:27.700 Look, I think certainly those were harsh things that I said.

00:10:31.820 I think that they reflect absolutely that we had a policy disagreement on a series of

00:10:36.300 issues.

00:10:36.760 But I also think that's why it's so important for people to focus on the fact that I am

00:10:42.040 supporting her now.

00:10:45.340 You nailed it.

00:10:47.880 Yeah, I mean, she doesn't care about any of that stuff.

00:10:49.900 I mean, she's her behavior on the on the January 6th commission shows she doesn't care 1.00

00:10:55.020 about your freedoms, obviously, she put innocent people allowed them to go to jail and suppressed 1.00

00:10:59.740 information that was exculpatory.

00:11:01.640 That's she did that. 1.00

00:11:02.680 So she's on Kamala Harris's page with that.

00:11:06.020 The truth is, it's about control.

00:11:07.380 That's it.

00:11:08.180 Kamala Harris is a blank slate.

00:11:09.680 She doesn't care.

00:11:10.180 She's policy agnostic.

00:11:11.300 She's what she needs to be.

00:11:12.940 I don't think she's a radical anything other than an opportunist.

00:11:16.480 And everyone in Washington senses that.

00:11:18.600 Can you control her?

00:11:19.320 Of course.

00:11:20.020 Her boss?

00:11:21.000 Senile.

00:11:21.380 Can you control him?

00:11:22.300 Yes.

00:11:22.600 Donald Trump was not some right winger, by the way, at all.

00:11:25.680 He's on the moderate side of the spectrum on policy is not controllable by anybody.

00:11:31.100 And that's either good or bad, you know, depending on your perspective.

00:11:34.180 But if you seek to control politicians, which is what Liz Cheney's business really is, and 1.00

00:11:39.840 Dick Cheney's business really is, it's not going to work with Trump.

00:11:42.900 So that's why they hate him.

00:11:44.540 That's why they embrace Kamala.

00:11:45.760 That's why they embraced her boss, Joe Biden, because they're weak.

00:11:50.120 That's the point. 0.53

00:11:50.940 They're weak.

00:11:51.480 And it's not about an individual issue.

00:11:53.400 Kamala Harris will be whatever she needs to be. 0.90

00:11:55.720 I'm not attacking her, by the way.

00:11:57.260 It's a pretty good strategy if, you know, for advancement, for a low skilled person to

00:12:01.860 rise to where she has.

00:12:02.920 Not easy.

00:12:03.780 And she's done it on the basis of moral flexibility.

00:12:07.000 And Trump just doesn't have that.

00:12:08.520 Like Trump will make an agreement.

00:12:10.460 You know, you can blackmail Trump.

00:12:11.940 You know, you've got to do this.

00:12:12.720 But there's no guarantee that he won't just blurt it out in the I mean, I remember in the

00:12:18.580 debates in 2016, he gets attacked for knowing Hillary Clinton.

00:12:23.100 He's like, yeah, well, they actually paid me money to go to her wedding.

00:12:25.500 So I went.

00:12:26.460 I mean, he just sort of said, you know, he breaks the fourth wall.

00:12:29.260 He says the quiet part out loud.

00:12:30.640 That is such a threat to a corrupt system.

00:12:33.380 That's the that's the point.

00:12:34.720 It's not that he's going to bring fascism or destroy democracy.

00:12:37.760 It's the opposite.

00:12:39.160 He might accidentally tell the truth and they have to stop him before he does.

00:12:45.040 Well, you didn't pay taxes.

00:12:46.180 That makes me smart.

00:12:47.560 I'm smart.

00:12:48.780 That was smart.

00:12:51.080 It wound up in a Dave Chappelle skit honoring him for being, you know, this guy who actually

00:12:55.820 did resonate with people sitting at home.

00:12:57.940 Like, finally, somebody who's who tells it like it is.

00:13:01.300 Well, exactly.

00:13:02.160 And if you put enough pressure on Trump, he might intentionally or not just say so.

00:13:07.420 Like, you know, well, Donald Trump, you changed your view on this.

00:13:09.920 Why?

00:13:10.220 Well, because they threatened me.

00:13:11.780 You might say that, you know, Kamala Harris will go to her grave with all of that stuff 0.77

00:13:18.720 hidden.

00:13:19.760 And so that's why they like Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:13:22.660 And Liz Cheney is telling the truth when she says it's not about policy.

00:13:25.780 It's not about an individual policy.

00:13:27.480 It's about all policies.

00:13:28.360 And of course, what the Cheneys and permanent Washington really cares about is war because 0.92

00:13:32.320 it's the ultimate exercise of power, killing people.

00:13:34.980 And it's where the money is.

00:13:35.700 The only thing she mentioned.

00:13:36.500 It's the only thing she cares about.

00:13:39.500 Trust me, I know her well.

00:13:41.060 And that's the only thing she cares about.

00:13:43.240 And back when she and her dad and the many like them ran the Republican Party, you know,

00:13:49.320 they dressed it up as we're strong, you know, on defense or we're keeping the world safe.

00:13:53.960 Well, of course, they've made the world much more chaotic and infinitely more dangerous.

00:13:56.840 We're in the brink of nuclear war right now because of their policies and their, quote,

00:14:01.460 leadership.

00:14:02.220 So it doesn't make anybody safe.

00:14:03.680 It imperils everybody, including our children.

00:14:06.380 And the the the gig is up for them.

00:14:08.920 They can no longer pretend people on both sides are sick of pointless forever wars.

00:14:14.800 I mean, I do think that's really obvious.

00:14:16.380 People are sick of it.

00:14:17.860 And and she's mad that they're sick of it.

00:14:20.400 But, you know, this is such an interesting way.

00:14:23.340 And I always I always learn something talking to you, Tucker, you always give me a different 0.99

00:14:25.840 way of thinking about issues because I've been saying she's a moron, which I do think 1.00

00:14:31.680 she's a moron. 1.00

00:14:32.320 I stand by that. 1.00

00:14:33.080 But yes, when I watch these completely empty soundbites, I think it's because she's dumb 1.00

00:14:38.400 and she doesn't know anything and she's incapable of doing anything more. 0.99

00:14:41.820 And your words, blank slate kind of come at it from a different way that that she's intentionally

00:14:49.000 being vague all the time because that's what makes her saleable to her party bosses who 0.97

00:14:55.100 have chosen her and who are trying to elevate her to advance their own agenda.

00:14:58.640 In the case of Cheney and so many others, it is wars, the military industrial complex.

00:15:03.900 And that is a different way of looking at I'll play the soundbite.

00:15:06.680 We played it a couple of days ago, but this one just is so perfect.

00:15:09.060 It just encapsulates everything that I can't stand about how she answers questions.

00:15:15.040 I'm going to look at this with a new pair of eyes, just blank slate as opposed to just 1.00

00:15:19.100 utter moron. 1.00

00:15:19.960 Let's watch it. 1.00

00:15:21.240 How do we how do we get here?

00:15:22.820 You smell good.

00:15:23.460 You look good.

00:15:24.260 Oh, that's better than smelling bad.

00:15:25.840 Thank you.

00:15:27.840 I know you're so great.

00:15:29.380 You look great.

00:15:30.320 Do you feel great?

00:15:32.040 It has been a whirlwind for you.

00:15:33.500 I feel good.

00:15:34.380 You know, listen, we have 23 days as of today until the election.

00:15:38.220 And I am in these streets traveling and talking with folks.

00:15:43.400 And I am out here doing the work of earning then the vote so that we can get to the job

00:15:49.180 of continuing to move forward.

00:15:52.240 And for me, that is about pushing for an opportunity economy, which is about tapping into the ambitions

00:15:59.440 and the aspirations of folks.

00:16:00.960 I know the ambitions, the aspirations, the incredible work ethic that exists in our community.

00:16:10.300 I know the dreams that exist.

00:16:12.920 But not everyone has started out on the same base in terms of being able to realize their

00:16:20.600 goals and their dreams.

00:16:21.760 So my plan is to build what I call an opportunity economy, which means giving people an opportunity

00:16:29.900 to actually achieve those ambitions, those goals, and those dreams.

00:16:36.020 She said nothing.

00:16:38.680 Yeah.

00:16:39.380 Which isn't easy, by the way.

00:16:40.940 It's not easy to say nothing.

00:16:42.900 It's not easy to be Kamala Harris.

00:16:44.820 It's not easy.

00:16:45.540 Everything about her from her first name, which she's pronounced various different ways,

00:16:48.900 she doesn't pronounce her own first name consistently, to her accent, which is, of course, an affect.

00:16:55.020 She grew up in Canada.

00:16:56.420 She's Canadian.

00:16:57.440 She went to high school in Montreal, Canada.

00:16:59.700 She didn't grow up in Baltimore.

00:17:01.200 That's a completely fake accent, daughter of college professors, to everything that she 0.98

00:17:05.580 believes, which is essentially nothing.

00:17:07.820 And to play that role over so many years with nothing inside is not an easy thing. 0.99

00:17:15.020 I don't think she's stupid. 0.75

00:17:16.060 I think there are different kinds of intelligence. 0.97

00:17:17.640 I think she's a high feral intelligence, an animal intelligence, which is a really useful 1.00

00:17:22.920 thing.

00:17:23.260 I wish I had more of it myself.

00:17:24.580 I mean that.

00:17:26.440 But she's just pure ambition, and she'll be what she needs to be.

00:17:30.620 But when I watch that, every time I watch her, I get the same vibe, which is fear.

00:17:34.620 She's afraid.

00:17:35.860 And of course, she's afraid, because she doesn't believe anything.

00:17:37.760 When you know what you believe, and if you have limits to what you'll say, to how dishonest

00:17:42.720 you'll be, there's a kind of freedom in that.

00:17:44.700 Like, I'm not going to do that.

00:17:45.820 Period.

00:17:46.100 I've already decided.

00:17:47.300 You know, all of us kind of go through this.

00:17:49.060 But there's the rare person, not so rare in politics, unfortunately.

00:17:51.720 She's one of them, who doesn't have any limits at all. 0.90

00:17:54.460 And because like, whatever it takes, whatever I have to say, whatever I have to pretend to

00:17:57.820 believe, I will.

00:17:59.420 And again, that's a skill.

00:18:01.540 And that's how she leveraged a career with no achievement at all, no obvious skills of any 0.72

00:18:06.600 kind, to the place where she could be president of the United States. 0.93

00:18:09.280 Like, try that at home.

00:18:10.520 That's hard.

00:18:11.100 So I do give her credit for that.

00:18:13.620 I think it's a, it's been a really difficult, super unpleasant, joyless journey with no real

00:18:19.960 personal relationships.

00:18:20.940 A husband who she kisses with a mask on, like, imagine living that life.

00:18:25.060 Seriously.

00:18:26.120 I can't imagine anything worse than that.

00:18:28.620 That's the least of the problems with the husband. 0.65

00:18:30.340 I mean, the husband's, the husband's got serious issues, which honestly, it's driving me insane.

00:18:34.340 Can I ask you what you think of that?

00:18:36.700 Yeah.

00:18:37.140 I believe every word of it.

00:18:38.180 Of the MHA stories?

00:18:39.360 Yeah, I do too.

00:18:39.920 Yeah.

00:18:40.140 So first of all, we know that he cheated on the first wife and impregnated the child's 0.81

00:18:44.380 nanny. 0.82

00:18:45.120 So it's bad enough to cheat on your wife.

00:18:46.980 Then you cheat with the child's nanny.

00:18:48.960 So you're in, you're jeopardizing an important relationship in the child's life, right?

00:18:52.920 Like presumably the nanny matters to the child and you're about to blow up your marriage.

00:18:57.300 So some stability with the caretaker would be nice, but you're screwing that up too, because 0.79

00:19:02.080 you're screwing the nanny, then he impregnates her. 1.00

00:19:05.400 Then on top of that, the Daily Mail, all of which he's admitted that he's admitted that 0.98

00:19:09.120 then on top of that, the Daily Mail comes out with a second report saying he bragged

00:19:14.060 to his next girlfriend that he made the nanny signed an NDA and paid her $80,000 to stay 0.71

00:19:20.460 quiet because, and we're at least in connection with this, she lost the baby in under circumstances

00:19:28.480 that she blames him for.

00:19:30.000 We don't know exactly what happened, but the Daily Mail reports that there was an emergency

00:19:34.660 at the nanny's home that EMTs were called and that it was a serious emergency.

00:19:40.160 And after this, she blames him for losing the baby that he impregnated her with.

00:19:44.220 This is all behind the back of the first wife. 1.00

00:19:47.100 So then in that second report, the Daily Mail reveals, this he hasn't admitted to, that he

00:19:54.400 found a girlfriend in 2012, like 18 months before he met Kamala.

00:19:58.880 And they were at con, they were in conference at some red carpet, black tie event and for

00:20:05.740 AIDS to raise money for AIDS research.

00:20:08.640 She's this, she's a gunner, this woman.

00:20:11.000 And she's a professional, she's a lawyer, she's beautiful.

00:20:14.440 They were dating for a short time.

00:20:15.760 She brings him out there.

00:20:17.280 And that he was so angry, she touched the shoulder of a valet to get his attention.

00:20:22.460 So she get a taxi. 0.96

00:20:23.740 He open hand slapped her so hard across the face, she spun.

00:20:28.400 She stumbled.

00:20:29.560 She got into a taxi because now she's scared.

00:20:31.900 He forced his way in.

00:20:33.960 She was so scared of the beating continuing, she called her male friend back in New York

00:20:38.340 to get him on the phone so that he couldn't do anything to her now.

00:20:41.480 She's got an ear witness.

00:20:43.140 That guy spoke to the Daily Mail, as did two of her other friends, at least one of whom

00:20:47.240 was able to give a contemporaneous account of what she was told.

00:20:50.200 The second one came a year later, I think.

00:20:52.660 And this woman broke up with him and provided receipts, obviously, that came from the woman. 0.79

00:20:56.880 How else would the friends have her airline tickets?

00:20:59.080 Um, and that he denies only through a campaign spokesperson, person in passive terms.

00:21:04.600 So I do, I mean, he's denied it.

00:21:06.680 I believe every word because you know what would happen, Tucker, you're a public figure.

00:21:10.520 If somebody came out and said, Tucker Carlson beat the girlfriend he had before he married

00:21:14.420 Susie, you would very easily produce said girlfriend to say, this is a vicious lie. 0.95

00:21:20.400 I love Tucker.

00:21:21.500 It ended, but we're friends or it ended badly, but he never hit me.

00:21:25.020 Where is she?

00:21:26.180 If it didn't happen.

00:21:26.840 And he's had three interviews so far, including with MSNBC, which is supposed to be a news

00:21:31.580 organization.

00:21:32.680 No one has asked a question about it.

00:21:38.660 How, how, I don't understand that.

00:21:40.960 How can you not ask about that?

00:21:42.500 I mean, it's, I'm not surprised at all because he's a self-described feminist who's redefining

00:21:46.700 masculinity and people like that always hate women. 1.00

00:21:49.980 Um, it's the beta males. 0.82

00:21:52.080 You got to watch out for it.

00:21:52.900 They will mistreat you.

00:21:54.100 They have no self-respect and anyone who doesn't respect himself is definitely not going to

00:21:57.640 respect you.

00:21:58.240 That's for certain.

00:21:59.520 They always lash out.

00:22:00.960 I I'm a man.

00:22:01.960 I've seen this dynamic a lot.

00:22:03.840 It was always, you know, the peace, love, patchouli guys in college who would rough up 1.00

00:22:09.060 their girlfriends.

00:22:09.820 In fact, no, for real.

00:22:11.960 And so that does, it doesn't shock me.

00:22:14.060 What shocks me is that Joe Scarborough could do an interview with him and literally not

00:22:18.320 mention it.

00:22:19.580 I just think there's no kind of depth to their shame either.

00:22:24.360 Like these are the same people who told us that Biden was a genius, not senile at all.

00:22:30.320 Then that it was a cheap fake, you know, the evidence to the contrary, and that all of us

00:22:35.040 were right-wing extremists for suggesting Biden was senile until the day that they all, as one

00:22:39.940 told us, he was in fact senile and had to step down. 0.97

00:22:42.360 Like they're exposed liars. 0.94

00:22:44.480 They have no shame. 0.77

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00:23:19.200 She had an opportunity to really explain to Fox News viewers how she could help them,

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00:23:29.380 Instead, she just kept repeating her same few small ball plans for the economy, which she

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00:23:42.040 of both houses of Congress.

00:23:44.340 You saw she's been asked, like, what if there's a Republican House?

00:23:48.960 What if there's a Republican Senate?

00:23:50.440 How are you going to pay for that?

00:23:51.420 And she told Stephanie Ruhle, well, we just have to.

00:23:55.160 We just have to.

00:23:57.380 What?

00:23:58.300 What if you don't?

00:23:59.540 The question is, what if you don't?

00:24:00.800 And she did know better in addressing that massive problem to all of her plans last night.

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00:25:18.520 She spent the majority of her time bashing Trump.

00:25:20.960 That's what obviously this is about for her.

00:25:23.220 She wanted to go on Fox News into the belly of the beast and just bashed Donald Trump. 1.00

00:25:28.720 It was a one-long game of Trump the pinata with a bunch of attacks that, in many cases,

00:25:35.240 were utterly baseless.

00:25:37.680 This, Madam Vice President, was the wrong strategy. 1.00

00:25:41.760 You should have called me.

00:25:43.360 You should have called me.

00:25:44.340 Because I worked at the place for 14, 13 years, and I know the Fox viewers very well.

00:25:51.400 And you do not win Fox viewers over by bashing Donald Trump.

00:25:58.200 They love Trump.

00:26:00.100 Or they are at least open-minded to Trump.

00:26:02.760 You win them, if they're winnable at all, by showing them, the ones who aren't huge Trump

00:26:09.180 fans but are Republicans or have voted Republican or at least kind of Trump open-minded, you show

00:26:17.720 those people that you are a better option because you can help improve their lives, that they can

00:26:26.320 trust you, and that you aren't as radical as they have been hearing every day, all day, on Fox News for a year.

00:26:35.120 You didn't do any of that.

00:26:37.420 None of it.

00:26:37.920 None of it.

00:26:39.240 Instead, what Kamala Harris did was she took every opportunity to show the audience she, and really Joe Biden,

00:26:47.080 are the chief sufferers of Trump derangement syndrome.

00:26:50.560 She lied over and over and over on her positions, on her policies.

00:26:56.020 She denied her own record.

00:26:58.740 And the worst sin was, and we saw it over and over, she dodged question after question after question after question after question, 0.61

00:27:04.900 and then played the victim trying to sound indignant when Brett tried to get her back on track.

00:27:10.240 That was the biggest dynamic of the whole interview.

00:27:13.460 Time and time again, she failed to answer the questions.

00:27:16.900 I mean, on big issues, immigration, whether we should use taxpayer dollars to fund trans surgeries

00:27:26.140 for prisoners and illegals, which is important but also is a stand-in for the overall issue of trans

00:27:33.200 and the erasure of women. 1.00

00:27:36.240 Finally, Brett asked her about Biden's mental acuity.

00:27:39.460 No, she failed to answer that one, too.

00:27:41.200 Instead, she filibustered. 0.99

00:27:43.880 That was her go-to trick, either with non-responsive pablum, that was her number one choice,

00:27:50.500 or sometimes on another issue entirely.

00:27:52.680 Just get out of bounds, talk about something totally unrelated.

00:27:55.840 And honestly, this is a politician's trick, and it's not unusual to see it.

00:27:59.240 But in response to everything?

00:28:01.560 You're not addressing any substance?

00:28:03.260 What are you doing there?

00:28:04.280 You're trying to win voters in a new forum.

00:28:06.300 Why would you say nothing? 1.00

00:28:08.340 The only thing of substance she said was Trump sucks. 0.99

00:28:12.500 And that's the wrong strategy when dealing with Fox viewers. 1.00

00:28:17.960 Honestly, it was just stupid. 1.00

00:28:20.320 I don't get it. 1.00

00:28:21.480 And then when Brett would try to redirect her back to the question asked, she acted like he was rude.

00:28:25.960 He's rude. 0.85

00:28:28.000 A word her lapdog media sycophants keep repeating today. 0.99

00:28:30.420 Let me tell you something about, to those of you morons who think that Brett was rude in trying to get her to answer the question asked. 0.98

00:28:37.620 It's not her heir. 0.98

00:28:39.380 It's Brett's heir.

00:28:40.740 It's Rupert's heir.

00:28:42.220 But in that half an hour exchange, it is Brett Baer's heir.

00:28:47.880 Not yours.

00:28:49.340 You don't pay to keep the shop open.

00:28:51.440 You don't go out and deal with the advertisers.

00:28:53.320 You don't hire the staff.

00:28:54.760 You don't work with the producers.

00:28:56.160 You don't lay out the lineup.

00:28:58.360 You don't hire the talent.

00:28:59.200 It's his heir.

00:29:00.620 His, not yours. 0.78

00:29:02.260 You being there is a gift to you.

00:29:04.880 Roger used to tell us, never thank anybody for being on your show.

00:29:08.880 He used to say, don't say thank you for being here.

00:29:11.540 It should go the other way.

00:29:12.640 Thank you for having me.

00:29:13.840 They should be thanking you.

00:29:15.380 You're giving them a massive audience of several million people.

00:29:19.460 I don't know what the ratings will be for last night, but it'll be big.

00:29:22.680 It's your gift to them.

00:29:24.400 And it's your job to control the air when you have a guest on to keep it interesting for your audience, to keep the car driving straight ahead, and to not let it veer too far off the track.

00:29:34.520 That's your obligation.

00:29:35.760 Brett is employed because Fox believes accurately that he will deduce what his audience wants to have asked and seen discussed.

00:29:46.060 It is not up to her to come hijack the entire interview with empty talking points we've heard 10,000 times.

00:29:55.780 He did absolutely the right thing by redirecting her over and over to the question asked, and on behalf of his audience, pressing her for a real answer.

00:30:06.660 He did nothing wrong.

00:30:09.140 I thought he crushed it, which I posted on Twitter last night.

00:30:12.160 He did a great job.

00:30:13.960 Now, her little act today is being praised by the left as, you know, she looked tough. 0.96

00:30:20.200 She was tough.

00:30:21.740 But this was not tough.

00:30:23.880 This was not toughness we saw from her.

00:30:25.780 This was a candidate incapable of answering hard questions over and over, trying to dodge long enough to ideally distract the questioner.

00:30:35.880 And when Brett was not distracted, then she would begin to whine that she wasn't being allowed to answer.

00:30:42.760 That's not tough.

00:30:44.580 Tough is answering the hard questions, which, let's face it, virtually every president, a candidate, can do.

00:30:53.340 Obama could do it.

00:30:54.940 Romney could do it.

00:30:55.880 McCain could do it.

00:30:57.760 Trump can do it when he wants to.

00:30:59.400 When it's one of his favorite issues, he'll go right there.

00:31:01.040 She blew a big chance to define herself in a new way, to say, take the border.

00:31:08.360 Yes, the border is a mess.

00:31:11.440 But look, Brett, I was vice president, not president.

00:31:14.320 You know, I've seen what has happened to people like Jocelyn, the young girl who was 12, who was murdered by an illegal she let in.

00:31:23.300 And I'm totally committed to stopping this.

00:31:25.720 Having had this experience in the number two spot has only made me more resolved should I be elevated to take care of this problem.

00:31:32.580 And here are the executive orders I will issue on day one to do it, irrespective of whether I can get Congress to cooperate with me.

00:31:39.000 That's not what she did.

00:31:40.780 She just dodged. 0.98

00:31:42.000 I'll show you the exchanges in a second.

00:31:44.540 Same thing on the economy.

00:31:46.900 She should have said something substantive.

00:31:49.160 Instead of her myopic little $25,000 for first time homebuyers.

00:31:53.040 You know what a collection of people that is?

00:31:54.860 It's not big, not big enough to just make it your platform.

00:31:59.080 She should have said Trump spent us into oblivion.

00:32:01.680 He was like a drunken sailor.

00:32:03.200 He wasn't exactly an economic purse clutcher.

00:32:06.240 Now that I might be in charge, I'll take a more reasonable approach and we'll fight the debt and we'll fight inflation.

00:32:13.540 And here's exactly how she can't.

00:32:15.360 She doesn't know.

00:32:16.420 She doesn't even understand those three plans she's unveiled.

00:32:18.960 She's been given some talking points, which she repeats incessantly, and they're empty.

00:32:23.120 She should have given some points that sounded reasonable to Fox viewers.

00:32:29.100 She almost did it on the border.

00:32:30.720 She admitted the border's broken, but she took no responsibility.

00:32:34.700 And then she tried to gaslight us into believing she's really Stephen Miller, Trump's border guy.

00:32:39.780 Do you know what I mean with that?

00:32:40.580 Fingers in the belt loops, the thumbs in the belt loops.

00:32:42.960 John Wayne, she came out last night with her little routine.

00:32:45.640 I'm the only one who's prosecuted transnational criminal, whatever.

00:32:49.840 Biden's mental acuity, that was another one.

00:32:51.520 Thank God Brett asked about that.

00:32:52.640 That was great.

00:32:53.440 Thank God somebody finally did it.

00:32:54.680 Good for him.

00:32:55.680 But frankly, it was downright embarrassing she didn't have an answer on that.

00:33:00.340 How does she not have an answer on this?

00:33:02.440 She just assumes no one's going to ask her.

00:33:04.620 No one has.

00:33:06.240 I'm like, I'll give you an answer, Kamala.

00:33:08.860 Okay?

00:33:09.240 You should really listen to this show more because I could help you.

00:33:12.220 All right?

00:33:12.460 You should have said something like, Brett, what I saw was an older president who had moments of forgetting his words sometimes or his train of thought, but was still entirely capable.

00:33:23.520 That's what my experience of was with him.

00:33:28.240 And then came the debate.

00:33:29.400 And as you know, within weeks of that, he resolved not to run for a second term.

00:33:32.340 That's what else can she say?

00:33:34.580 But what she said in the interview was, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

00:33:41.040 She was, the TDS was like coming out of her ears.

00:33:43.940 That's not responsive to what did you know and when did you know it, which was really his question.

00:33:50.840 So none of this is going to assuage even a single viewer who watches Fox, who thinks you lied, you cooed, and you won't admit it. 0.89

00:34:01.900 All right, we're going to go through this more specifically.

00:34:04.120 Let's start with immigration, which is where Brett started.

00:34:06.140 It was the right thing to do.

00:34:07.320 It's her most vulnerable issue.

00:34:09.620 And here's a little montage of how he pressed her.

00:34:12.300 How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years?

00:34:22.980 Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because I agree with you. 1.00

00:34:25.860 It is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have.

00:34:31.680 Answer.

00:34:32.140 And you know what I'm going to talk about right now.

00:34:33.380 Yeah, but just a number.

00:34:34.640 Do you think it's one million, three million?

00:34:36.860 Good for him.

00:34:37.400 Brett, let's just get to the point.

00:34:38.880 Okay, the point is.

00:34:40.080 Answer my question.

00:34:40.720 That we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired.

00:34:44.980 So your Homeland Security Secretary said that 85% of apprehensions.

00:34:48.800 I'm not finished.

00:34:49.420 We have an immigration system.

00:34:50.800 It's a rough estimate of six million people have been released into the country.

00:34:55.040 And let me just finish.

00:34:55.760 I'll get to the question, I promise you.

00:34:57.060 I was beginning to answer.

00:34:58.300 And when you came into office, your administration immediately reversed a number of Trump border policies.

00:35:03.680 Looking back, do you regret the decision to terminate Remain in Mexico at the beginning of your administration?

00:35:11.600 The first bill, practically within hours of taking the oath, was a bill to fix our immigration system.

00:35:18.720 Yes, ma'am.

00:35:19.160 It was called the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021.

00:35:22.420 Exactly.

00:35:22.980 It was essentially a pathway to citizenship.

00:35:26.080 May I finish responding, please?

00:35:29.360 But you have to let me finish, please.

00:35:30.920 You had the White House and the House and the Senate, and they didn't bring up that bill.

00:35:34.760 Responding to the point you're raising, and I'd like to finish.

00:35:38.020 With false info.

00:35:40.520 We recognized from day one that to the point of this being your first question, it is a priority for us as a nation and for the American people.

00:35:51.940 And our focus has been on fixing a problem.

00:35:55.120 And then to Brett's credit, he followed up with, you were in control.

00:36:02.580 Like, you were in control.

00:36:04.560 Why didn't you do it?

00:36:06.340 You know, he said Democrats voted against the bill and so on.

00:36:08.620 So they got into it on immigration, and he didn't let her slide for one second.

00:36:12.800 That was a thing of beauty.

00:36:14.320 I don't understand, like, these media writers out there may not know what it's like to be a Republican or an independent or a right-leaning person and how frustrating it is to watch her get away with her lies.

00:36:23.540 It's a soothing balm to watch somebody actually confront her with the real facts. 0.98

00:36:28.400 Okay, your stupid amnesty bill in 2021, which you purported to be a tough-on-the-border bill, was a joke from day one. 0.99

00:36:35.600 It was your Democrat-controlled House that killed it, and the White House didn't push it. 0.99

00:36:39.240 See Politico at the time you tried it.

00:36:41.680 Stop trying to refer to that like it was your day-one priority.

00:36:44.640 What you actually did on day one was issue a bunch of executive orders that undid all of Trump's harder border policies, like remain in Mexico.

00:36:53.540 Like cracking down on the number of asylum claims, like you reversed the building of the wall and sold off the parts for cash.

00:37:02.780 Like, that's what she did. 0.90

00:37:05.140 And all she can do is lie now.

00:37:08.320 She recently stumbled upon the fact, oh, gee, we had a 2021 bill that was kind of amnesty with a couple of border enforcement things.

00:37:13.260 I'll just tout that like it's real.

00:37:14.880 It wasn't.

00:37:15.680 The Dems killed it.

00:37:16.380 And then she goes right to her 2024 border effort that, oh, we had Republicans cooperating with us, and Trump killed it because he'd rather run on a problem than run on a solution.

00:37:27.780 We've heard that a million times, right?

00:37:29.340 Like, that's all she's got.

00:37:30.300 And as for the three and a half years between those two points, she's got nothing.

00:37:33.300 So he presses her in a great way by bringing up some of the families that you guys have seen and heard from on this show, the victims of her policies and Biden's policies, including the mother of little Jocelyn Nugare.

00:37:49.580 Jocelyn Nugare, Rachel Morin, Lakin Riley, they are young women who were brutally assaulted and killed by some of the men who were released at the beginning of the administration, well before a negotiated bipartisan bill.

00:38:09.480 This is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country.

00:38:14.900 So what I'm saying to you, do you owe those families an apology?

00:38:19.920 Let me just say, first of all, those are tragic cases.

00:38:23.800 There's no question about that.

00:38:26.020 And I can't imagine the pain that the families of those victims have experienced for a loss that should not have occurred.

00:38:36.580 So that is true.

00:38:39.220 It is also true that if a border security had actually been passed nine months ago, it would be nine months that we would have had more border agents at the border, more support for the folks who are working around the clock trying to hold it all together to ensure that no future harm would occur.

00:39:02.100 So do you owe them an apology is what I'm saying?

00:39:05.580 I will tell you that I am so sorry for her loss.

00:39:08.640 I am so sorry for her loss.

00:39:11.220 Sincerely.

00:39:13.040 But let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to participate in solutions.

00:39:22.220 Let's talk about that as well.

00:39:24.500 But do you want to answer that?

00:39:25.300 In all fairness, I told you, I feel awful for what she and her family have experienced.

00:39:30.800 That is not the same as an apology.

00:39:35.500 It's not.

00:39:36.520 I feel bad.

00:39:38.360 I'm sorry for her loss is not.

00:39:41.020 I'm sorry for being part of what caused it.

00:39:45.500 That's what he was asking.

00:39:46.860 Of course, she didn't answer that.

00:39:48.300 I mean, of course.

00:39:49.020 And I'll give her points for starting off right by showing some empathy for the families. 0.99

00:39:55.180 However, the pivot was right to the nine months since that one stupid mirage of a border bill was tanked. 0.92

00:40:04.240 That totally ignores what these parents, these families have been testifying to, which is she opened the border. 0.98

00:40:11.680 She and Joe Biden opened the border and we had 10.4 million illegals come through and tens of thousands of them turned out to be criminals of one sort or another.

00:40:25.880 And young girls have been murdered, raped, murdered, tortured.

00:40:31.840 So have young men.

00:40:33.500 And he named three of them.

00:40:35.740 She took no responsibility. 1.00

00:40:37.800 I'm telling you, that shit is not going to fly on Fox News Channel with those viewers. 1.00

00:40:43.660 Trust me. 1.00

00:40:44.360 Immigration is one of their biggest issues and her taking no responsibility, none whatsoever, and just trying to shove that fake border bill down their throat. 1.00

00:40:55.040 It's a fail.

00:40:55.720 It's a fail.

00:40:56.360 What are you doing there?

00:40:57.840 How is any of that any different from all that you've done in this race so far?

00:41:01.880 Aren't you looking to rejigger things?

00:41:03.940 Aren't you looking to move the needle?

00:41:06.040 That's not the way.

00:41:07.520 That's not going to do it.

00:41:08.560 So, once again, she failed to own up to what she and her administration have done.

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00:41:50.300 So, what did you think of last night?

00:41:53.400 Let me start with two observations before we get into the Kamala stuff because I think all of us have got thoughts on that.

00:41:58.780 First of all, Brett Baer did an absolutely exceptional job.

00:42:02.940 I mean, he's one of very few, remarkably few journalists, yourself included.

00:42:08.520 That when you get into a situation where you're interviewing a public figure of some significance, that they can actually do their job in a way that journalism is supposed to be done.

00:42:17.180 I think he did an exceptional job.

00:42:18.880 Second of all, what I found so hilarious about the reaction to all of this is the Democrats acting like she just stormed the beaches at Normandy.

00:42:25.180 Right.

00:42:25.680 Yeah.

00:42:25.760 Because she answered more questions.

00:42:27.600 It's, you know, it's like, no, no, no.

00:42:29.300 Like, that's the job that people are supposed to do who call themselves journalists.

00:42:33.660 And, like, Brett is an absolute blue-chip journalist.

00:42:36.920 Like, this is what he does.

00:42:38.220 He did the same thing to Donald Trump, by the way.

00:42:40.560 You know, so, listen, I understand that they don't watch Fox, so they don't know what actual journalism looks like on Special Report at 6 o'clock.

00:42:48.060 But that's what it is, right?

00:42:49.500 Or any, but, or any channel, I guess it's not available, but they, it's been so long, and by that I mean never, that Kamala Harris has had a challenging interview since she became the nominee.

00:43:00.920 They don't even understand it when they see it.

00:43:02.820 It's like the dog with the, hmm, hmm.

00:43:07.000 Instead of being like, oh, journalism, they're like, he's so, I'll give you a sampling, guys.

00:43:11.920 And here is a little bit of the media meltdown in response to that interview.

00:43:20.920 We witnessed a man who spent his life as a down-the-middle journalist, seeming to throw it all away for his audience of one, interrupting the vice president awkwardly and unnecessarily.

00:43:31.500 I thought she handled it masterfully.

00:43:33.620 I mean, he was rude.

00:43:35.200 I think Brett Baer was rude.

00:43:37.020 So was it a home run?

00:43:38.300 No.

00:43:38.880 Did she need it to be a home run? 0.76

00:43:40.560 Absolutely not.

00:43:41.300 I mean, I was quite repulsed by Brett Baer.

00:43:43.680 The attack move from the beginning was, was quite stunning. 1.00

00:43:47.220 Vice President Kamala Harris kicks Brett Baer's ass. 0.99

00:43:52.140 It was an extraordinary performance from the vice president in hostile territory. 1.00

00:43:56.860 And frankly, Brett Baer should leave, quit the job, and go to a monastery and hope to atone.

00:44:02.460 Yeah, the lib media reaction is exactly what I was waiting for this morning after I saw it last night.

00:44:14.640 I mean, every morning when I get up, I like to say today is going to be an insane day.

00:44:18.420 And what I saw this morning out of the left-wing media just did not disappoint.

00:44:23.240 Yeah, it's a huge missed opportunity.

00:44:26.520 I mean, take it out of the partisan lens.

00:44:28.760 And, you know, Democrats for weeks have been telling, begging Kamala Harris's campaign to distance herself from President Biden.

00:44:37.420 And she refused to do that.

00:44:39.100 And Brett Baer gave her numerous opportunities.

00:44:41.320 He was like, look, you know, 80% of this country thinks we're on the wrong track.

00:44:46.060 Is there anything you would have done differently in the last three and a half years?

00:44:48.960 And she can't.

00:44:50.080 He asked her, OK, what's going to be different about your administration than Joe Biden?

00:44:53.880 The best she could do is, well, I will be a different person.

00:44:58.320 It'll be a, you know, a different person will be taking the oath.

00:45:01.120 A new generation of leadership.

00:45:04.300 Unbelievable.

00:45:05.160 And you're younger?

00:45:05.620 You would think on Fox News, if they had a strategy as a presidential campaign to make that pivot, to make distance between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, do it on Fox.

00:45:16.940 You've got people willing to hear that message that are independent, that are conservative leading.

00:45:22.000 And, like, you had a huge opportunity.

00:45:23.640 That's what is blowing my mind about this, is it was a huge opportunity for Kamala Harris to finally make that pivot. 0.96

00:45:29.300 And she didn't.

00:45:30.240 But she ain't got it.

00:45:31.600 You know, I mean, that's the problem.

00:45:33.100 She just doesn't have another gear. 0.95

00:45:34.340 Like, this is, for whatever you saw of Kamala Harris, and I think it was an abject disaster for her, for all the reasons that you pointed out in your monologue at the top, she doesn't have, that's as good as you're going to get.

00:45:45.620 Like, it doesn't get any better for her than that.

00:45:48.900 I mean, imagine you spent the last two weeks not being able to answer the simple question of what you would do differently, and then you get a shot to redo it, and you still haven't come up with anything.

00:45:57.160 Like, sooner or later, you're just like, well, I guess it's all we got.

00:46:01.340 It's Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, you know?

00:46:04.800 Oh, well.

00:46:05.820 So I will add this.

00:46:07.520 I also thought she was whiny. 1.00

00:46:10.460 Like, that business about, against the American people!

00:46:14.620 She's got to be aware she has a terrible voice.

00:46:17.460 As Maureen Callahan describes it, it's vocal fry adjacent.

00:46:21.220 It's too much.

00:46:22.520 It's a lot.

00:46:23.340 And there's a clip online on Twitter where it has a split screen of her with, like, the angry, scolding look, and Bret Baier as follows.

00:46:33.320 With the eyes closed.

00:46:35.500 And they were like, there isn't a man alive who can't relate to this.

00:46:38.560 You know, like, she's a lot.

00:46:40.540 And I teed up just a little sampling of what I am referring to.

00:46:44.440 Watch.

00:46:44.680 May I finish responding, please?

00:46:49.700 But you have to let me finish.

00:46:51.440 I'm in the middle of responding to the point you're raising.

00:46:55.320 And I'd like to finish.

00:46:56.440 Turning the page on rhetoric that people are, frankly, exhausted of Bret.

00:47:00.700 More than 70% of people.

00:47:02.320 He's the one who talks about an enemy within.

00:47:05.640 An enemy within.

00:47:07.680 Talking about the American people.

00:47:10.000 That's not what you just showed.

00:47:11.400 He was asked about that specific.

00:47:12.760 No, that's not what you just showed.

00:47:14.080 In all fairness and respect to you.

00:47:15.220 I'm telling you that was the question that we asked him.

00:47:17.340 You didn't show that.

00:47:18.540 You say now he is unstable.

00:47:20.580 He is unstable, Bret.

00:47:21.860 This is a democracy.

00:47:24.100 And in a democracy, the president of the United States in the United States of America should be willing to be able to handle criticism.

00:47:35.480 My take on that, guys, is, like, that the young gals might be looking for, like, a girl boss moment. 1.00

00:47:43.980 She's already got them because they want abortions. 1.00

00:47:46.820 This, she needs to get men. 1.00

00:47:48.480 And you tell me what, what man is out there like, I want to spend more time with that.

00:47:53.540 I mean, so I believe it was actually Roger Ailes who would point out that if you watch people on mute just for the body language, it's extremely telling of what's happening there.

00:48:04.980 And I actually, after I'd watched it, I muted it.

00:48:08.440 It was much more enjoyable with her on mute.

00:48:10.120 But just looking at her body language, the last 30 seconds for me were just completely critical.

00:48:15.700 She was back in her chair, arms folded, just giving off as much hostility as physically possible a person can convey.

00:48:23.200 That whole interview, she basically came off as being someone who is angry, combative, extremely unlikable.

00:48:31.700 And she's not serving herself any favors with male voters, with female voters, with any voting bloc, except for the left who has found themselves in a position where they want to be gaslit, where they want to say, oh, she won the day. 0.87

00:48:45.980 Yes, I am happy she does not want to answer any questions for me.

00:48:50.340 Brett Baer, you know, it's sad that the state of being a great journalist is asking questions the average American would want to know.

00:48:57.080 At what point did you notice Joe Biden had cognitive decline?

00:49:00.460 One of the things that makes Brett so good at this gig is that he exudes his comfortability, right?

00:49:07.780 And at one point she was just trying to talk over him the whole time, and he's like, I think we're just talking over each other.

00:49:12.000 I apologize.

00:49:12.880 Here's what I'm trying to ask.

00:49:14.040 It's this disarming way, as a viewer, you watch it, and you're like, oh, he's got total control of this situation.

00:49:19.420 Meanwhile, you look at her, and it's like, it's just combative.

00:49:23.320 Oh, all right.

00:49:23.540 I've got to read you this, Holmes.

00:49:25.260 So, first of all, I do want to say, it is, I'm going to read you this quote, because it plays right off of what you're saying, but the opposite view.

00:49:33.360 Brett revealed after the interview that they got there late.

00:49:36.480 They were supposed to take between 5 and 5.30.

00:49:38.200 His show starts at 6, and when you're doing what's called an As Live, where you're doing an interview that's pre-taped,

00:49:43.300 and you're just going to run it as was, you know, without edits, it does take some time to ingest it into the system and to turn it.

00:49:50.180 Like, you can't be doing that interview up till 5.58 and make air at 6.

00:49:56.080 Trust me, we've been in this position many times on many shows I've done.

00:49:59.260 And so, it was important that it go from 5 to 5.30, as she agreed to do.

00:50:04.200 He revealed after the fact she didn't show up until 5.15, and sat down, fine, he was a pro, he started taping it with her,

00:50:11.480 and that 25 minutes in, instead of 30, her team was giving him the hard rap. 0.76

00:50:16.480 He said four of her staffers were behind her, like, rap, rap, which explains why he was like, he even said it in the interview, like,

00:50:23.820 I'm getting the hard rap here, which is so weird, because it must have been over the top,

00:50:29.000 because if you've got staffers telling you a hard rap is necessary, but the candidate is speaking and going on,

00:50:36.520 she's supposed to be the boss. 1.00

00:50:38.800 Like, she should be in charge.

00:50:39.720 If she wants it to go on, it's going to go on.

00:50:42.020 I wouldn't be listening to the staffers.

00:50:43.820 So, they were in a panic, because they knew it wasn't going well, and they really tried to F him,

00:50:48.080 which, by the way, did increase the time pressure on Brett.

00:50:51.680 He knew he had to get through these subjects, and to stop the talking points, and the non-sequiturs,

00:50:56.800 and he did a great job of it, but here's what I wanted to read you.

00:50:59.580 There's a lot of crazy media reaction, but this guy stood out to me.

00:51:03.240 He works for Deadline.

00:51:04.140 His name is Dominic Patton, and it's just over the top.

00:51:09.680 Having been roasted online by the MAGA base in anticipation of softball questions,

00:51:14.600 quote, real journalist, as the VP called him at one point.

00:51:18.680 You're already wrong, Dominic. 0.95

00:51:19.860 She called him a serious journalist, so already you fucked up your facts. 0.60

00:51:24.440 Brett barely let the VP get a word in during the opening part of the sit-down. 0.95

00:51:29.200 As Bear played largely to the MAGA base and his core viewership,

00:51:34.460 the veteran anchor appeared largely out of his depth.

00:51:38.740 Challenged on his questions and wanting to flex his own muscles,

00:51:42.520 Bear ended up fumbling his line of questioning and losing control of the interview to the well-prepped VP

00:51:51.720 as he got caught up in centering over and over on culture war issues and Joe Biden's mental acuity.

00:52:02.100 Oh, my God.

00:52:03.640 Well, Megan, you know, when I want analysis on depth, the first place I usually turn is Deadline.

00:52:10.400 And I tell you how many opportunities I've had to, like, go to Deadline and just doubt what is really going on behind the scenes.

00:52:20.500 You just you don't know until you read Deadline.

00:52:23.280 One of the things that was interesting to me about the four staffers waving their hands in the background is what subject they were covering when they did it.

00:52:30.740 She was getting very weak on Iran and they lost their minds.

00:52:34.400 We can't let her keep talking about Iran because we have Iran sympathists who are working for us.

00:52:39.680 And so we can't mess that up.

00:52:41.040 They're watching Michigan poll numbers.

00:52:42.620 Good point.

00:52:43.880 Exactly.

00:52:44.480 That's a good point.

00:52:45.440 Complaining that Brett was interrupting her.

00:52:48.600 Well, you know, you've got to make some clarifying points during an answer in which, like, they all start with,

00:52:54.400 well, we really got to go back to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles before we talk about the border crisis.

00:53:01.360 You know, like she was clearly stalling for time because she didn't want to have to answer the question.

00:53:05.300 I mean, it was Brett who had to name check the bill she was referencing that would, quote, secure the border.

00:53:10.980 The U.S. Citizenship Act?

00:53:12.440 Right.

00:53:12.780 Which is an amnesty bill.

00:53:14.340 Like a border security bill.

00:53:15.520 And then she talks about, well, in the last nine months, we could have passed a bill that would have strengthened all these things.

00:53:21.100 And, yes, he has to clarify, well, that doesn't help Lake and Riley because the illegal immigrant that murdered her got in in, you know, 2022.

00:53:28.840 Yeah.

00:53:29.140 And it's like that's the job of a journalist.

00:53:31.220 I know that's uncomfortable for them that she got asked real questions, but it's nice that finally.

00:53:35.740 Well, they don't know that.

00:53:36.680 I mean, that's the thing that's so blatantly obvious about it.

00:53:39.160 First of all, the fever swamp that the deadline guy lives in.

00:53:41.920 You look at that and get the hell out as fast as possible.

00:53:45.520 But, like, they're so unaccustomed to any sort of real pushing or questioning.

00:53:51.380 I mean, look, this lady's been the nominee of the Democratic Party since mid-July. 1.00

00:53:54.920 Nobody's ever asked her.

00:53:56.280 I mean, the fact that she's on stage in the first place is because of the mental decline, obviously, of her boss.

00:54:01.820 Right.

00:54:02.080 And that's why he got off the ticket and she's on it.

00:54:04.160 That's not an imperative question to be asked.

00:54:06.000 That's the first time anybody's ever said, hey, Connell, did you ever notice that the guy couldn't complete a sentence?

00:54:11.420 Right.

00:54:11.620 The rest of the media can't do it because they were in on it.

00:54:14.720 See, this is the first person she has sat with who wasn't in on it and therefore had no qualms about saying, yo, he's been in decline for a long time and you've been vouching for him.

00:54:27.180 Let me read you something on the interruptions.

00:54:29.020 I mean, this is, first of all, David Plouffe, who's, I think, running her campaign, tweeted out right after it was over, Kamala Harris, strong.

00:54:36.320 Now, you tell me when you have to tell the people she was strong, you know, you don't really see Donald Trump's people tweeting out Donald Trump, strong.

00:54:45.520 We know Kamala Harris, strong, handled an ambush. 0.63

00:54:50.220 Fox interview light years better than the the hash Donald Trump unstable made of the Fox pep rally disguised as a town hall.

00:54:58.040 So it was an ambush, according to him.

00:54:59.880 Claire McCaskill.

00:55:01.100 Brett Baer was downright rude and disrespectful.

00:55:04.120 She's strong.

00:55:05.440 She's strong.

00:55:06.500 She tweeted.

00:55:08.260 Dan Pfeiffer, who's part of that pod Save America, right?

00:55:12.460 Brett Baer likes to dress up as a journalist, but he is as committed to the larger Fox News project as Hannity or Pirro.

00:55:19.120 Here's the question of this.

00:55:20.060 Harris, Harris handled that Fox News interview with confidence and skill.

00:55:25.060 Now, try to imagine Donald Trump handling tough, antagonistic questions.

00:55:32.080 You got to be kidding me.

00:55:35.240 Yeah, no, it's crazy. 0.82

00:55:36.700 Three months ago, they were all saying, no, Joe Biden's a mental giant behind the scenes.

00:55:40.180 Just trust us.

00:55:40.980 Today, they're saying, oh, Kamala was really strong.

00:55:43.200 She killed it. 0.64

00:55:44.620 Yeah. 0.86

00:55:44.760 Well, then, OK, people like Pluff and Pfeiffer are humiliating themselves.

00:55:48.780 They've already made so much money.

00:55:50.700 Like, the pod Save guys got in trouble with their employees going on strike because their houses are an architectural digest.

00:55:56.520 Like, you don't have to humiliate yourself like this.

00:55:59.320 You're already loaded.

00:56:01.040 So, Smug, maybe we're being too hard.

00:56:02.780 Maybe they just really don't like interruptions, like Claire McCaskill, all these MSNBCers.

00:56:06.640 Maybe they really don't like interruptions, as we heard on MSNBC, we heard on CNN.

00:56:11.500 Oh, wait.

00:56:12.600 Here's a little montage to remind you.

00:56:14.500 The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.

00:56:19.120 They spied on my campaign, Leslie.

00:56:20.600 Well, there's no real evidence of that.

00:56:22.300 Of course there is.

00:56:22.960 No.

00:56:23.120 It's all over the place.

00:56:24.480 Leslie.

00:56:25.100 Sir.

00:56:25.420 They spied on my campaign and they got caught.

00:56:27.280 Can I say something?

00:56:28.940 You know, this is 60 Minutes, and we can't put on things we can't verify.

00:56:33.840 You won't put it on because it's bad for Biden.

00:56:35.760 We can't put on things we can't verify.

00:56:37.880 Leslie, they spied on my campaign.

00:56:39.800 Well, we can't verify that.

00:56:40.560 It's been totally verified.

00:56:41.940 You haven't asked about inflation.

00:56:43.660 No, no, I'm sorry.

00:56:45.020 Let's stick to this.

00:56:46.300 I know, I know.

00:56:47.560 The American people want us to talk about how to make their lives better.

00:56:51.300 Why won't you say that?

00:56:51.660 They don't want us to.

00:56:52.280 Why won't you say that?

00:56:52.820 The unselect committee destroyed all the evidence.

00:56:56.100 They say they do.

00:56:56.600 I want to know about your perspective.

00:56:57.980 Wait, listen.

00:56:58.720 They put out an announcement that...

00:57:00.480 I agree.

00:57:01.300 You don't want to talk about policy, Danny.

00:57:02.740 No, what I want to talk about, what I want to talk about...

00:57:05.820 Instead of about the fact that Kamala Harris, Danny, granted amnesty at a mass level.

00:57:09.880 You were the one who started talking about eating dogs and cats.

00:57:13.620 This is an attack on a political opponent.

00:57:15.980 I have another one where I have a hostile judge...

00:57:19.200 Sir, if you don't mind, we have you for a limited time, sir.

00:57:20.660 I'd love to move on to different topics if we can.

00:57:21.620 No, excuse me.

00:57:22.240 You're the one that held me up for 35 minutes.

00:57:24.880 You absolutely could re-engage folks.

00:57:28.560 into the American labor market.

00:57:30.820 This is, I think...

00:57:31.520 To work in construction?

00:57:32.580 Of course you could.

00:57:33.820 I mean, the unemployment rate is 4.1%.

00:57:36.260 Most people who...

00:57:37.020 But the unemployment rate, Lulu, this is important.

00:57:38.680 But most people who don't work can't work in the regular economy.

00:57:42.760 Maybe they are okay, depending on who's across from the journalist at issue.

00:57:49.860 Yeah, I mean, partisanship's a hell of a drug.

00:57:51.820 The problem is that there aren't any Walter Cronkite roaming around those mainstream corporate

00:57:57.040 media outfits anymore.

00:57:58.240 I mean, they just don't have them.

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00:59:33.340 She says exactly the same thing everywhere she goes.

00:59:36.440 It's not a policy.

00:59:37.840 It's just some amorphous goal that she's using to try to make herself sound like Barack Obama, 1.00

00:59:42.380 but failing.

00:59:43.460 Take a listen to SOT2.

00:59:45.660 How do we get here?

00:59:47.280 You smell good.

00:59:47.940 You look good.

00:59:48.720 Oh, that's better than smelling bad.

00:59:50.320 Thank you.

00:59:52.280 I know.

00:59:53.200 You smell great.

00:59:53.860 You look great.

00:59:54.440 I appreciate you.

00:59:55.740 That's very kind.

00:59:55.960 Do you feel great?

00:59:56.540 It has been a whirlwind for you.

00:59:57.980 I feel good.

00:59:58.840 You know, listen, we have 23 days as of today until the election, and I am in these streets

01:00:05.080 traveling and talking with folks.

01:00:07.860 And I am out here doing the work of earning then the vote so that we can get to the job

01:00:13.640 of continuing to move forward.

01:00:16.420 And for me, that is about pushing for an opportunity economy, which is about tapping into the ambitions

01:00:23.920 and the aspirations of folks.

01:00:26.100 I know the ambitions, the aspirations, the incredible work ethic that exists in our community.

01:00:34.540 I know the dreams that exist, but not everyone has started out on the same base in terms of being

01:00:43.580 able to realize their goals and their dreams.

01:00:46.700 So my plan is to build what I call an opportunity economy, which means giving people an opportunity

01:00:54.380 to actually achieve those ambitions, those goals, and those dreams.

01:00:58.600 Oh my God, Charlie, I can't, Charlie, even my intellect cannot handle it.

01:01:05.460 And I can't imagine what it is like for someone with your big brain.

01:01:08.940 By the way, I just need to correct myself.

01:01:10.920 The podcast call is called The Shade Room.

01:01:13.280 I misread a quote about what she says in it for the name of the podcast, which I confess

01:01:18.620 I've never heard of.

01:01:19.460 But what do you make of that stirring message?

01:01:22.700 What I make of it is that she can't think.

01:01:25.240 See, I think, as I've said before, that people mistake what's going on here.

01:01:31.400 They think she's not eloquent, or that she's nervous, or that she's just unused to speaking

01:01:37.440 in public.

01:01:38.680 But I think what we just saw was another example of how she just doesn't have anything in her

01:01:46.040 head.

01:01:47.260 She hasn't ever contrived a worldview.

01:01:50.040 She doesn't have any ideological moorings. 0.54

01:01:52.820 She's never thought about policy.

01:01:56.020 The description of the economy she says she wants to build never gets beyond that.

01:02:01.940 I mean, you're right to point out that she uses the same three words, but she's been

01:02:06.740 tweeting recently, and that's why I have a plan.

01:02:10.260 But she never says what it is.

01:02:11.560 There's no second tweet.

01:02:12.560 There's no link to anything else.

01:02:15.160 Now, I understand that politics is about more than white papers.

01:02:18.320 I understand you have to talk in generalities to some extent, show where you stand and for

01:02:26.160 whom you stand.

01:02:27.720 But there are very few politicians who limit their entire verbal output to cliches.

01:02:35.660 They do at some point get into the details.

01:02:38.920 And she just can't do it.

01:02:40.080 I mean, a good example of this was in her interview with Stephanie Rule, partly a hardball sit down,

01:02:46.140 where she said, you know, we need to make the rich pay their fair share. 1.00

01:02:50.660 Now, that's a stump line.

01:02:52.060 That's a cliche that has been uttered by Joe Biden and Barack Obama before her.

01:02:58.280 And then Stephanie Rule said to her, well, what happens if Congress is run by Republicans

01:03:04.240 and they refuse to raise the taxes you want?

01:03:07.360 And she said three times, well, we have to.

01:03:09.780 And then she said, and that's it.

01:03:12.480 That's not an argument.

01:03:14.500 That's not a position.

01:03:16.680 There is nothing to that.

01:03:18.620 That is just absolute fluff.

01:03:21.160 I don't believe there is anything more to Kamala Harris than you just saw.

01:03:26.480 And I think your listeners by this point should know I'm fair minded enough to accept when

01:03:31.840 that is not true.

01:03:33.460 And I had a lot of problems with Barack Obama.

01:03:35.380 I really did not like Barack Obama.

01:03:37.080 You know, we could talk for days about why I didn't like Barack Obama.

01:03:40.620 But obviously, the man is smart.

01:03:42.580 And obviously, the man had thought about what he believed and what he wanted to do.

01:03:47.560 Bill Clinton before him, even more so.

01:03:50.740 You know, Bill Clinton, by all accounts, was somebody who could answer the second question

01:03:54.020 and the third question and the fourth question, who really was interested in policy as the governor

01:03:58.700 of Arkansas and then as president of the United States.

01:04:01.860 Harris has never shown in anything that she has done before or after this candidacy that

01:04:07.720 she has any knowledge whatsoever beyond the first point.

01:04:11.320 She just repeats these phrases and then moves on.

01:04:15.300 And I don't think there's anything there.

01:04:16.740 I think you're being too hard on her.

01:04:21.000 Listen to her in Scottsdale, Arizona, speaking specifically to what is at stake in this election.

01:04:27.240 So when we think about what's at stake in this election, whoa, it's packed with some stuff.

01:04:39.180 It's packed with some fundamental stuff.

01:04:44.880 I say rather articulately.

01:04:48.960 Oh, my God.

01:04:52.340 Do you want to take it all back?

01:04:53.820 You feel bad now, right?

01:04:55.600 I've proven you wrong.

01:04:57.800 The laugh is a giveaway, too.

01:05:00.780 She knows.

01:05:01.960 She knows at one level that she's got nothing there.

01:05:05.400 She knows what we know.

01:05:07.100 MBD, there's just I've got because I have to.

01:05:09.900 I must show you and the audience.

01:05:12.360 They know, but it's it bears reinforcing.

01:05:15.120 She only has a couple of tricks. 0.99

01:05:16.700 That's it.

01:05:17.320 She's got a few tricks and she trots them out and she tries each time to say it like it's the first time she's saying it.

01:05:23.060 But there's nothing else there.

01:05:24.240 It'd be one thing if these were sprinkled amidst more substantive policy prescriptions.

01:05:29.020 But here she was sitting down with Roland Martin and sought one.

01:05:34.080 Take a listen.

01:05:34.800 Why do you want this?

01:05:37.920 Why do you want to be president?

01:05:41.520 There's somebody who's saying, why should I trust her with the power of being commander in chief?

01:05:46.900 I love our country, Roland.

01:05:50.100 Oh, God.

01:05:50.680 I believe I believe in the American people.

01:05:54.860 And I know we are people who have the character that have ambition, that have aspirations, dreams.

01:06:02.400 I can't.

01:06:03.640 And I intend to be a president who meets people with opportunities for them to to not just get by, but get ahead.

01:06:15.760 No, it's what she calls an opportunity economy.

01:06:19.400 MBD.

01:06:20.040 That's what she called. 0.73

01:06:20.840 She she came up with this clever phrase.

01:06:22.600 My team doesn't show me all these before the show.

01:06:26.480 They just they just tell me about them in the packet.

01:06:29.100 And I see them as you guys see them.

01:06:30.400 I really don't know how much more of this I can handle. 0.66

01:06:34.780 It's ludicrous that this person is running for president.

01:06:40.000 I'm not sure it's an improvement on Joe Biden. 0.76

01:06:43.100 Fundamentally, you know, she's be honest.

01:06:46.040 She's not she's not really that more cogent than he is.

01:06:50.980 She doesn't, you know, produces that many more sentences than he does.

01:06:56.520 And it's actually even worse when you really look at it, because not only is it substanceless and she's trying to run this vibes campaign where you just fill in the blank.

01:07:06.620 Like, oh, there's some stuff in this election and you fill it in.

01:07:10.120 Um, but she's she's trying to run on this. 1.00

01:07:14.240 Oh, I'm a positive, fresh face for the future.

01:07:18.260 But she's doing it with all these cliches. 0.58

01:07:20.160 I'm in the streets.

01:07:21.240 I'm doing the work.

01:07:22.880 Now, compare that, you know, to Donald Trump and Donald Trump will go on stage and he'll he's like it's like the difference between a nervous person on a date.

01:07:35.920 And that's Kamala Harris.

01:07:37.520 And then, you know, a pro like Trump with the opposite sex that, you know, Kamala says, like, oh, I like you so much.

01:07:46.340 Oh, that's really interesting.

01:07:48.420 Trump comes to Detroit and says something like, you know, I could be on a on one of my beaches.

01:07:54.380 I could be on one of my golf resorts.

01:07:57.380 But I'm here in Detroit because I want to save the country or something like that.

01:08:00.680 And he's like he's literally teasing them like I don't really want to be here.

01:08:04.660 Maybe Michigan, I kind of think it's kind of a dump in some ways and they love him for it.

01:08:10.920 Right.

01:08:11.240 It just shows so much more social intelligence and relatability than what Kamala is doing. 0.99

01:08:17.320 What Kamala is doing is just it looks like she's trying to survive the moment like she's constantly reaching for the life raft to pull her into the boat with each question.

01:08:30.760 It's so true. 0.84

01:08:32.300 You're uncomfortable watching it.

01:08:34.420 Right.

01:08:34.940 And that fundamentally doesn't you don't look at that performance in a in an interview, a low pressure interview with someone who's sympathetic to you.

01:08:44.180 And you don't look at that performance and say, oh, that's what I want in an executive, which is what the president is.

01:08:51.300 You look at Trump and he's just joking around with you.

01:08:54.380 He's teasing, kind of negging the audience.

01:08:57.540 You know, he'll say something like, you know, we're real conservative.

01:09:00.640 Maybe we're a little liberal, too.

01:09:02.120 And just laugh.

01:09:04.120 And he has that confidence.

01:09:05.560 So, yeah, I think that's fundamentally why she's she is sinking in the polls.

01:09:12.600 I mean, people don't want another, you know, blank card in the White House.

01:09:18.880 There's a way in which, you know, the the the tickets Democrats have put forward is sort of a fake.

01:09:28.620 Right. It's sort of like Joe Biden was kind of Barack Obama's affirmative action candidate for vice president.

01:09:35.460 Like, OK, I need to fill out a white guy on my ticket to reassure people.

01:09:40.680 And then.

01:09:42.580 Biden specifically casts Kamala Harris as a kind of affirmative action to hire, like, OK, I need a black woman on my ticket. 1.00

01:09:50.820 And then she does the same thing to Tim Walz, like I need another affirmative action.

01:09:54.000 So you get this feeling that they are just empty representations on the face of a progressive blob that does its own thinking and that they're not really even in charge of themselves.

01:10:08.140 And if they're not in charge of themselves, why would you elect them to be in charge of the country?

01:10:12.640 Yeah. Who's in charge?

01:10:13.600 I mean, we think maybe Jake Sullivan.

01:10:15.280 But speaking of foreign policy, here's another thing.

01:10:19.240 She she not only can she not think, Charlie, I completely agree with that.

01:10:23.300 But she knows nothing.

01:10:26.200 She knows nothing.

01:10:27.480 She she memorized, I think, note cards on various subjects to be able to handle that debate. 0.89

01:10:33.880 And if she wasn't primed for that debate on a subject, she's out.

01:10:40.460 She's got nothing.

01:10:41.460 We saw this in the 60 Minutes interview.

01:10:44.200 They as everybody knows, they did not release the transcript.

01:10:47.520 So we don't know exactly what was taken out of the interview.

01:10:51.940 But they did put some portion of the outtakes on what's called 60 Minutes Extra, which is the online property.

01:10:58.380 Well, they'll show you some overtime, I mean, which is which is like they're they'll show you their next favorite collection of exchanges that didn't quite make the cut.

01:11:07.060 And in that they aired some more foreign policy questions, like they asked her about China and Taiwan.

01:11:16.400 And she said, I'm not going to answer hypotheticals as though this were a deposition.

01:11:20.840 And, you know, she had been trained to not give anything more to her cross examiner than was necessary, as opposed to a job interview with us where we're actually entitled to know how she sees that issue, which is really important.

01:11:32.200 And then she gets to Iran and she does it again. 0.87

01:11:36.200 Watch this.

01:11:36.700 This is from the 60 interview.

01:11:39.200 Which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary?

01:11:44.220 I think there's an obvious one in mind, which is Iran. 0.81

01:11:48.680 Iran has American blood on their hands. 0.98

01:11:51.040 OK, this attack on Israel, 200 ballistic missiles.

01:11:54.680 What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power. 0.94

01:12:05.200 That is one of my highest priorities.

01:12:06.960 So if you have proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, would you take military action?

01:12:12.540 I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment.

01:12:16.760 OK, will you take military action?

01:12:18.960 I'm not going to talk hypotheticals.

01:12:20.640 Then, by the time we got to this past Friday, three days ago, she was on a call with Jewish voters.

01:12:27.620 This issue came up again.

01:12:29.000 Clearly, she'd been primed.

01:12:31.040 Clearly, she doesn't have an aversion to answering hypotheticals.

01:12:34.400 She just didn't know when Bill Whitaker asked her what to say.

01:12:39.800 And then, at some point, her team got to her.

01:12:41.900 And here's how she handled it on Friday.

01:12:43.260 Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary

01:12:50.980 to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.

01:12:57.100 And I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.

01:13:02.040 Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end.

01:13:05.100 But all options are on the table.

01:13:09.340 You tell me, Charlie.

01:13:11.000 I think she was reading.

01:13:11.860 Yeah, she's an actress. 1.00

01:13:14.620 She's an actress. 1.00

01:13:15.700 It's creepy.

01:13:16.780 You could just as easily imagine her saying the opposite words.

01:13:20.420 And that is just not true of her opponent, who has many of his own flaws and doesn't do

01:13:26.740 the reading either.

01:13:28.040 You know, I have long defended, much to the groans of many conservatives, many of the career

01:13:34.640 politicians that we have present in our system and have had historically.

01:13:39.260 You know, it's easy to gripe about career politicians.

01:13:42.700 And when you mean people who believe in nothing and just go along with it for the pension, I

01:13:45.980 completely agree.

01:13:46.740 But there are some great career politicians.

01:13:48.480 Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan.

01:13:51.520 These people were in office a long time.

01:13:53.940 They were interested in politics a long time.

01:13:55.760 And one of the reasons that it can be so useful to be a career politician, that dreaded thing,

01:14:01.840 is because over time, if you have a genuine interest in politics, then you build up a genuine

01:14:07.520 set of beliefs about the world.

01:14:10.520 Now, I always, when asked how I got into politics, will tell people I didn't know anything

01:14:14.620 till 9-11.

01:14:15.600 That was the moment when I thought I should learn some things about the world. 0.96

01:14:18.140 I was completely blissfully ignorant.

01:14:19.920 I was 16 years old when that happened.

01:14:21.580 And I thought, I need to develop some theories about the world, because I had just lived in

01:14:26.480 this sort of 80s, 90s, end of history period.

01:14:28.760 And it was great.

01:14:29.960 And since then, and I'm not running for president, don't worry.

01:14:32.820 But since then, I have, just because I work in politics and I'm interested in politics,

01:14:37.160 and you end up listening to people who are interested in and interesting about politics,

01:14:42.200 develop certain theories about the law and about taxes and about foreign policy and about

01:14:48.260 the relationship between the federal government and the states and so on and so forth.

01:14:52.240 This is something that happens naturally if you spend time in this arena.

01:14:55.700 Well, Harris has been in politics in one way or another now for more than 20 years.

01:15:00.640 And she genuinely does not seem to have any interest or information or education about

01:15:06.840 almost anything.

01:15:08.300 And those examples you gave were great, because what they show is she had been briefed probably

01:15:13.460 about Iran most recently, because it is currently in the news in relation to Israel.

01:15:19.220 So she had that on her tongue.

01:15:20.660 So she was asked, well, which is the worst country?

01:15:22.820 And she said, well, it's got to be Iran, because that was the last one she'd heard.

01:15:26.040 But she hadn't thought about the next bit, which is, well, would you do anything about

01:15:30.200 Iran if it tried to get a nuclear weapon?

01:15:32.840 So the next time that the topic comes up, she makes sure that she's been told that particular

01:15:36.760 piece of information she's developed or had written out for her, an answer on that.

01:15:41.960 But again, if you said to her a follow up, and I don't know what that would be, because

01:15:45.820 I'm not an expert in this area.

01:15:47.620 But if you said a follow up, well, how would you strike them?

01:15:50.860 In which region would you strike them?

01:15:52.360 What about their backup facility in make up the city here?

01:15:55.760 I don't think she'd have an answer, because I really do think that her interest and knowledge

01:16:00.160 in this is limited to, as Michael said, the exact moment.

01:16:04.060 The purpose at any given point for Harris is to get through the interview or get through

01:16:08.300 the fundraiser or get through the speech.

01:16:10.680 There's no long term thinking.

01:16:12.680 She doesn't have aspirations.

01:16:14.300 She doesn't have goals. 1.00

01:16:15.560 She doesn't have a vision of the United States.

01:16:18.040 In 2030 or 2040.

01:16:20.980 Yeah.

01:16:21.700 And that really matters to me.

01:16:23.880 And I'll finish by saying this.

01:16:25.160 I am a huge critic of Trump's in many, many ways.

01:16:28.000 But the one thing that is weird about Trump is, although I disagree with a lot of the views

01:16:32.360 that he has held since the 1980s, he actually does have a vision of the United States.

01:16:37.340 He knows what he thinks the problem is. 0.80

01:16:40.020 He knows by whom he thinks we are getting screwed.

01:16:43.140 He knows which rules he thinks ought to change.

01:16:45.780 He knows which people he thinks have been left behind.

01:16:48.480 Now, I will argue against him on this until I'm blue in the face when I disagree with

01:16:52.300 him.

01:16:52.720 But he did enter politics with more than just the aspiration of getting elected.

01:16:57.440 And I wonder if he does win in November, whether that's going to ultimately be the difference.

01:17:03.460 Mm hmm.

01:17:04.320 She doesn't know the answer, MBD, unless it's been written out for her and she's reading it

01:17:10.960 in a prompter or like on that call in which she was not on cam or it was on one of those

01:17:17.660 note cards.

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