Former Vice President Joe Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of prostate cancer that has spread to his bones, his office announced Friday. The news comes on the heels of the release of a new book by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson on Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
00:01:48.080He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021.
00:01:53.380The news of the diagnosis came on the same weekend we heard the audio for the first time from Mr. Biden's interview with Special Counsel Robert Herr,
00:02:03.100where the president forgot the years when he had been vice president, as well as the year when his son Bo died.
00:02:11.600And it comes just ahead of tomorrow's publication of this book, Original Sin, by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.
00:02:17.300They'll be here, by the way, on this program tomorrow.
00:02:22.400And the book lays out the significant cognitive issues that Joe Biden displayed while president and the lengths his aides went to hide them.
00:03:10.680He says he wants to answer these questions for their role, I mean, the media's role in covering this up.
00:03:17.700But I want to get into the substance of this book.
00:03:21.920I don't think we on the independent and right-leaning ecosphere should ignore the substance that's been reported in this book just because you may or may not like the reporters.
00:03:33.120And you may or may not think that they had a hand in keeping it quiet, right?
00:03:36.860Like, it is worthwhile to look at what they're reporting because there actually is extensive new reporting in there.
00:03:43.040I disagree with people who say that they haven't broken any new ground.
00:03:46.780There are a lot of new details in there that I did not know and that I think you guys are all going to find very, very, very interesting.
00:03:52.360And not coincidentally, I believe, now we get this presidential announcement from the Biden office.
00:03:59.460And as if on cue, we get this from top Democrat strategist David Axelrod reacting to the news from Joe Biden's office, suggesting that these discussions we're about to have as this book hits shelves and the Her Audio becomes public about Biden's cognitive issues.
00:04:24.100Well, it's going to be, it's going to need to be more muted now, now that the man is suffering from cancer.
00:04:31.500Yeah, well, I mean, I think those conversations are going to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside for now as he's struggling through this.
00:04:44.740Well, we reject your suggestion and that will not be happening on this program.
00:04:49.900We will be taking a full, robust, deep dive into everything that's revealed in that book.
00:04:57.400And no, no detail will be spared, David Axelrod, because of this diagnosis.
00:05:10.580The same media that covered up the Joe Biden mental infirmity is now going to try to use this diagnosis as an excuse to cover up the discussion about the cover up.
00:05:43.160They will also be standing by for the first 20 minutes of the show as we start with one of the most respected doctors when it comes to prostate cancer in the world.
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00:07:24.120So let's start with this statement that the former president's office put out.
00:07:31.240Is there any way that they just found out for the first time on Friday that he had prostate cancer and it had metastasized to the bone with absolutely no warning?
00:07:41.900Do you find that likely prior to that?
00:07:45.520I think the better story and the fact is that probably he's had this for many years.
00:07:51.840We know that about a year ago, his physicians, they basically gave him the clear bill of health that he's in good physical shape and there are no issues.
00:08:01.120And typically, this kind of prostate cancer stage for prostate cancer doesn't show up in within one year.
00:08:07.640He probably has had it for many years, given the importance of his job, a consortium of doctors take care of these presidents.
00:08:17.160I've had multiple presidents in my practice that I've taken care of, and it's not always one doctor.
00:08:36.700If you're in third world countries where there are no PSA screenings, we see people coming in with PSAs of 100, 150, that's a different story.
00:08:45.300But in America, with our health care system, given his position, it's practically almost impossible to see someone show up with stage four Gleason 9 metastases to bone within a year.
00:09:06.280Typically, if you look at the past 10, 15 years of his PSA, they gradually climb up, even though the PSA is not always the most specific test, but you will see a rise.
00:09:17.400There would be some symptoms when it comes to these aggressive prostate cancers.
00:09:21.560Typically, prostate cancer is asymptomatic, but they would have some vague symptoms of urinary issues, getting up in the middle of the night, sometimes even blood in the semen, etc.
00:09:32.820Obviously, he's 82 years old, and over 50% of men over the age of 80 will have prostate cancer if you diagnose them.
00:09:40.580The problem with him is that he has a very aggressive Gleason 9.
00:09:44.300Now, the worst is Gleason 10, so this is up there, and the fact that it has metastasized, either in the first scenario, it was completely missed, which is hard to imagine, or it was not reported at the time of diagnosis many years ago, and they're just reporting the metastases, or this story, I think there are more questions than answers, given what we see today with the type of cancer that he has.
00:10:09.200Well, the third possibility is they did see it, and they kept it a secret from us.
00:10:15.020That certainly is one possibility, that's for sure, but the timing of this, and the fact that it was just released now, is very strange and odd.
00:10:25.080Now, the treatments are obviously very, very difficult.
00:10:28.280As you know, Megan, if I would have met him about 10 years ago when this cancer was just localized within prostate cancer, with our technology of robotic surgery, we could have saved his life with possibility of radiation afterwards if he needs it.
00:10:41.840Now that the cancer is spread to the bone, the prognosis is poor.
00:10:45.540Now, from the time of diagnosis, whenever that is, or that was, it takes about 5 to 7 years for the cancer to metastasize to bone, and another 5 years or so for the person to die, unfortunately, from this disease.
00:11:02.440The only treatment that's effective right now is not surgery, it's not radiation, it's hormonal treatment or medical castration, where it can reduce his testosterone to a very low level in order to slow down these cells from growing further.
00:11:18.320So we can slow down the progression, but there's no cure at this point.
00:11:21.800Doc, there was another doctor online who was suggesting that it was possible that some of the treatments for prostate cancer can cause what looks like a decline in mental acuity.
00:11:39.660There's a doctor, Stephen Quay, he wrote an article for The Spectator, and he said as follows, you tell me whether this is true.
00:11:46.520He said, was President Biden's cognitive decline a side effect of prostate cancer treatment?
00:11:54.440A recent study showed that four objective measures and one subjective measure of cognitive function were all significantly impaired by the androgen deprivation therapy, ADT, used for metastatic prostate cancer treatment, citing a clinical trial report.
00:12:12.440Is that the case? Is there a treatment for prostate cancer that can cause what looks like cognitive decline?
00:12:20.200Yes. What he's talking about is something called ADT or medications such as Elagard or Lupron, which I was just talking about, the hormonal treatment.
00:12:29.840And not only they would lower the testosterone, they can cause hot flashes and menopausal symptoms, but they can also have cardiac issues.
00:12:36.880And one of those side effects, Megan, is mental health issues, meaning like, you know, it's a little cloudy, they're not concentrating, and it can affect it.
00:12:47.080Now, don't forget that President Biden also has had in the past two episodes of aneurysm in his brain, has had multiple surgeries on that.
00:12:55.740So some of those could also affect his mental issues.
00:13:00.220And I, if you look at my Twitter about like a couple of years ago, I talked about that as a doctor, I was concerned about his mental health issues.
00:13:08.260But of course, as a doctor, you don't want to get into politics because media can always come back and attack you for being honest and telling the truth.
00:13:16.240But given also his age, that he's 82 years old, under a lot of stress, has been in politics for many years, the brain aneurysm, two episodes, and sometimes even prostate cancer can, of course, it always metastasizes to bone, but it can also metastasize to brain.
00:13:34.260It's not as likely, but all of those are scenarios and the side effects of hormonal treatment that can cause mental health issues.
00:13:41.200Let me ask you something, Doc, as you, you and I have had discussions like this for many years now, and you're right, I agree with you.
00:13:49.700Had they come to you 10 years ago with an initial diagnosis, you would have used your robotics, you know, arm to perform this incredible surgery, you were one of the first to do it.
00:13:59.900And is that a point on the other side, like that, that this is truthful, that they did just discover it?
00:14:07.420Because if you are treating, let's just, because everybody's thinking the same thing, that they found out and they kept it quiet.
00:14:13.220They didn't want us to know because they wanted to beat the orange man.
00:14:15.980And they knew saying the sitting president has cancer would not be a great reelection tagline.
00:14:21.140So, but to argue it on his side, let's just walk it through.
00:14:24.260Because if they did have a high PSA test while he was in office, or even before he became president, right, you know, five to seven years, you say.
00:14:32.020So that would have been before he became president.
00:14:34.640Wouldn't they, politics aside, have gone to a Dr. Samadhi type and said, let's have a surgery.
00:14:41.900I mean, is it plausible that in the name of staying in office or getting in office, he would not have had the prostate surgery just to keep it all on the down low?
00:14:52.880Yeah, I think it's an excellent question that you're bringing up, Megan.
00:14:55.640And in my career of 25 years, I have dealt with a lot of politicians and TV moguls who have come up with prostate cancer.
00:15:05.560And unfortunately, sometimes they make a wrong medical decision based on political reasons.
00:15:11.460And this is what the point that you're bringing up is that maybe at the time, you know, we would have had a perfect cure and put this to rest.
00:15:20.980And instead of what was going on at the time with politics and the fact that it can affect his campaign, not only him, but many other politicians that we've seen in the past, they may have made the wrong decisions.
00:15:31.720Now, I cannot be sure of that because I'm not his doctor.
00:15:35.220I haven't looked at his records, but it's what one thing is clear is that it's very hard to wake up within a year and go from zero to stage four prostate cancer with metastasis.
00:15:47.720Now, what they're saying is that the doctors felt a nodule.
00:15:53.58015% of prostate cancers are detected by a nodule or firmness on the prostate itself.
00:15:59.58085% are detected by the blood test called PSA.
00:16:03.140In today's world, if there was any question about his PSA or what we call PSA velocity or the rise of that blood test, there would be MRI all over him.
00:16:14.660There would be it's very hard to imagine that the president of the United States will go on for years without the kind of attention that normal patients will get in our practice.
00:16:26.680So I have a very difficult time to believe that whether or not they made the wrong decision because of what the politics was, that certainly is a good question that you're bringing up.
00:16:37.460What if, you know, let's say he got let's just say he got a diagnosis five to seven years ago that he had prostate cancer.
00:17:13.900Well, you know, we know that he has not had surgery because if the information they're telling us that it was just last week that they examined him and they felt a nodule, that means that the prostate is still there and nobody has removed it.
00:17:29.880And so if he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer while he was a president, they could have treated him with this hormonal treatment, given the fact that he had metastasis.
00:17:39.320But he would be, even though we didn't see a lot of him on TV and he was not present for a long period of time, but you would see him at times, he would break into sweat and he would have like exactly like menopausal symptoms that women go through, that he would get hot flashes, that he would be very tired.
00:17:57.820And he would have a lot of symptoms and he would have a lot of symptoms and side effects of this hormonal treatment.
00:18:39.880Is there any way the doctors, as we look back at the most recent PSA or most recent physical for Joe Biden in February of 24, and it didn't show that a PSA test had been done, which doesn't mean one was not done.
00:18:55.700But I heard Dr. Emanuel on MSNBC this morning saying, some number of older men choose not to have the PSA test.
00:19:06.360Do you believe that the White House physician, this Dr. Kevin O'Connor, could have in good faith said, you're 82, or I guess let's subtract four years from that.
00:19:47.540So, you know, it's true that over the age of 80, we don't want to be too aggressive with PSA screening because most likely people die from other diseases than prostate cancer.
00:19:59.240But someone like him who was just the president, there's no way in the world that their doctors would just not look at PSA and not look at the PSA in the last many years and just say, well, he's old enough.
00:22:11.300If there's any question, someone like him, given the family history of cancers and the fact that his son got into trouble because of cancer and many other families,
00:22:20.860don't forget he also has a history of skin cancer.
00:22:23.580So the family are very well aware of what to do.
00:22:27.840And any red flag in his PSA or exam would have sent them for an MRI, would have given them like PET scan, and they've been able to detect this.
00:22:37.480So the fact that he's at 82, shows up with stage 4, glycerin 9 with metastases, it's really unfortunate.
00:22:46.360And, you know, I don't know what to say about this.
00:23:55.880So if he was just a week ago, they had the prostate nodule.
00:24:00.680Within a week, they did the biopsy and they got the disease.
00:24:03.900So very quickly, within one week, based on the story that they're telling, they've been able to do the staging part and find out if the cancer is spread to the bone or not.
00:24:12.920But you have to give the injections and see if the patient responds.
00:24:35.180Well, you know, the interesting, the other part of it is, yeah, the bone metastasis.
00:24:39.520Because anybody who's ever had a cancer scare, and sadly, that's, you know, millions and millions of Americans where you just get like the I'm concerned from the doctor, then you have to wait.
00:25:13.560So getting a bone scan, he doesn't he's not going to wait like the rest of the country.
00:25:17.940And in this country, unlike other countries like Canada and other countries, people don't wait six months to get a bone scan.
00:25:25.360So I think they can put him through fast track.
00:25:27.740But again, the biggest and I got so many phone calls and questions about the fact that how can someone be great a year ago, and within a year, you will have stage four with metastasis.
00:25:39.740And this is like to answer a lot of men out there who are diagnosed with prostate cancer.
00:25:44.400Number one, a lot of patients are on surveillance or close surveillance or watchful waiting.
00:25:51.520We're monitoring them because they have low risk prostate cancer.
00:25:54.800You need to be in the hands of experts on prostate cancer and always get a second opinion because it can advance.
00:26:00.900Now, that's another scenario, Megan, because maybe he had 10, 12 years ago, a moderate risk prostate cancer.
00:26:11.120You know, you don't need to affect your political thing.
00:26:13.580And over time, it advanced to glycine and then, unfortunately, metastasis.
00:26:18.540So there's a lot more unknown than than answers that we have.
00:26:24.020But well, given the fact that you're raising a good point, because I like it's just now occurring to me.
00:26:30.020I'm just so used to cynical politicians and I don't know whether this is a lie or not.
00:26:33.640I just understand there's we all distrust him now.
00:26:36.380So if this is not true, this is this is a pernicious lie, because in the same way women obsess over breast cancers and, you know, ovarian cancer, men obsess over this.
00:26:51.660And we definitely should not be putting out into the ecosphere a message that it's a thing.
00:27:00.040And then four months later, you have metastatic prostate cancer that's in your bones because you're a true expert saying that just doesn't happen.
00:27:08.480That's that actually does not sound real.
00:27:10.700He would have had this cancer for five to seven years.
00:27:12.980In his case, he either didn't detect it.
00:27:16.200He and his doctor five to seven years ago or they did.
00:27:22.040So it's not a typical story where within a year you would end up with a stage four prostate cancer.
00:27:27.920And the message that I think you're bringing up to save many more men out there who may or may not know about prostate cancer is beginning age 40, get your baseline PSA.
00:27:36.680And if you have family history, make sure you're more aggressive with getting screen.
00:27:40.960Screening is important because when you find the cancer within the walls of prostate, the cure 10 year survival is close to 100 percent.
00:27:49.320And once the prostate cancer starts to leak and again, we don't know when he was diagnosed, how many years he's had it.
00:27:56.480And maybe they just monitored him and watched him.
00:27:59.840And we know a lot of people in America are on close surveillance and there's some danger to that.
00:28:04.120But once it starts to leak, then you're going to go to radiation and hormonal treatment and then the final stage.
00:28:12.600And that's one of the reasons why I tell you, Megan, this has been going on for many years.
00:28:17.080Either he knew about it or he didn't know about it.
00:28:19.760That's a whole different political issue that you're bringing up.
00:28:23.340And he should have had as a president, he should have these answers.
00:28:27.240Once you get to stage four, unfortunately, it's a painful experience with a lot of complications from this hormonal treatment.
00:28:35.580Some of these hormonal treatment not only can affect his heart, but can affect his mental status and mental health issues.
00:28:42.780So he really needs to surround himself with, you know, aggressive doctors who are going to monitor him very closely.
00:28:50.320Doc, I'm sure there are a lot of men out there listening to this right now asking themselves,
00:28:54.660OK, I'm not I'm not testing for any of this because I don't want to be impotent.
00:28:59.760But is that always the outcome if, you know, you do find yourself with a cancer diagnosis of the prostate?
00:29:06.480I think the scary part, which is the sexual dysfunction and continence, a lot of that has gone away with the world of like expertise and years and years of like number of cases that we've done.
00:29:19.380And the technique that we have developed in the hands of expert surgeons, robotic prostate surgery, both sexual function and continence works well.
00:29:37.320He's going to have low testosterone and no libido.
00:29:40.720So certainly doing the surgery when it's contained and saving your life with good outcome and good results in the hands of experts outbeats any of these complications that you're going to have later on in life and very painful experience.
00:29:57.220Bone metastasis is not easy and treatments are not so good.
00:30:02.320And that's why I wish him well and I wish we would have had this conversation many years and they would have seeked better treatment.
00:30:11.960But we really don't know a lot about this case.
00:30:14.600And so just final, just to close it up, if they did know, if they had received the diagnosis years ago and did not do a surgery but decided to treat it medically, would it have been like a chemotherapy?
00:30:34.520So the Gleason score right now is nine.
00:30:37.100It's possible that maybe 10, 12 years ago he was diagnosed with a Gleason 6 or Gleason 7.
00:30:42.640These are low risk to moderate risk prostate cancer.
00:30:45.620Many doctors, they may say like, you know, it's not very aggressive.
00:30:48.700You can watch it and we're going to monitor you whether that's the scenario.
00:30:53.000At that time, you know, he could have had surgery or radiation, which probably he didn't do.
00:30:58.180And over the years, it turned out to become more and more aggressive.
00:31:02.560Now, during the COVID time, we know that a lot of people got distracted with COVID.
00:31:07.400And we saw coming out of COVID a lot of these Gleason 8s, Gleason 9s, high PSAs, because for two to three years, the public didn't go for screening.
00:31:16.380And then when we came out of COVID, it's like, oh, my God, and that's how you know that screening actually saves lives.
00:31:23.420And there was an upgrade of the disease and now slowly is going back to what it was normal.
00:31:28.920That's for the public, not for the president of the United States, not for someone that every time he moves, there's a doctor available.
00:31:36.640They check his cholesterol, his mental health, his cardiac issues from top to bottom.
00:31:41.480So to just wake up and say, oh, my God, you know, we have a Gleason 9 with metastases.
00:31:47.820To me, as someone who's been in the field for 25 years and have dealt with a lot of these aggressive prostate cancers, the story doesn't make any sense.
00:31:57.260Dr. David Samadhi, thank you so much for your expertise.
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00:34:50.160Either medical malpractice where they just let this grow without knowing about it because they didn't do the routine tests that almost everyone would do.
00:34:58.420And certainly the President of the United States would do, or they knew and were treating it and didn't disclose and lied about it, right?
00:35:06.140And they deserve zero benefit of the doubt.
00:35:09.380If they'd been honest about things and what happened hadn't happened, the vast conspiracy, this would be a five-minute footnote on your show, right?
00:35:26.420But it's much bigger than that because obviously there was a conspiracy to hide what we could see, lie about what we could see with our own eyes.
00:35:35.160So why wouldn't they lie about something that they didn't have to disclose?
00:35:39.560I think that's a big question hanging over all this.
00:35:42.420Right, because the implication, Charles, if Dr. Samadhi's right and they must have been trying a treatment prior to this statement, otherwise they wouldn't be able to say it appears to be hormone sensitive, so that the statement is bullshit.
00:36:00.140The implication, of course, is that Joe Biden has had cancer for some time, including while he was the sitting President of the United States, and may also have been receiving treatments, including treatments that can cause cognitive decline.
00:36:18.380This is not to attribute all of his cognitive decline to a medication.
00:36:21.740It's just yet another relevant factor that the American people would be entitled to know.
00:36:27.460Is he in full possession of his mental faculties, or is there some medication that's now diminishing them because we've entrusted the nuclear football and potentially the lives of our sons and daughters to this man?
00:36:39.140So, I mean, the extent of this already we've been calling in a cover-up, it may be far greater than we even understood.
00:36:49.680And that's what we're in the middle of discovering, and this is, of course, why David Axelrod said what he said, because he wants to stop that process.
00:37:01.780Now, if this were irrelevant to the political scene, it would be an awful thing, and everyone would just say what we should say nevertheless,
00:37:11.460which is that this is a terrible development for Joe Biden, and I hope he beats it.
00:37:19.260And if you go back to when John McCain announced his diagnosis, it was true then that had he been elected in 2008, he would have been in a second term when he had cancer.
00:37:29.680But no one really talked a great deal about it because he hadn't lied about it.
00:37:33.480But with Biden, this is not a distraction from the Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson book you'll be previewing tomorrow.
00:37:53.940One is that the transition from not knowing that he had prostate cancer to the description of the cancer that was put out yesterday is just too short, not to raise flags.
00:38:11.360I mean, prostate cancer, thankfully, is detectable, especially in older men.
00:38:17.300And we, in America, especially look for it in older men, really relentlessly.
00:38:23.480It's thankfully not too fast a cancer.
00:38:34.060You don't start at a Gleason score of nine.
00:38:37.380And I personally find it quite difficult to imagine that someone with the medical resources that the president of the United States has at his disposal would not have had some signs before it had reached this stage.
00:38:51.540And then when you combine that with the fact that they've been lying and lying and lying and going after anyone who has asked questions, I think it's a totally fair topic for public debate.
00:39:02.880And the lies that they told were not minimal.
00:39:06.980I mean, for example, one of the things that came out, and I think is in the Tapper and Thompson book, is that Biden's aides had discussed between themselves the possibility that he would have to be in a wheelchair.
00:39:24.840They had become fully aware of the fact that he didn't know the names of his cabinet or his friends or even George Clooney, one of the most famous men in the world.
00:39:37.840So it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they hid this.
00:39:42.020Now, I don't know, obviously, any more than anyone else does, but I think it is totally reasonable for a public that is in the midst of finding out one of the worst political cover-ups in American history to say, okay, and were you lying about that too?
00:39:59.220One of the—and hopefully Tapper and Thompson will forgive me if this is—I'm trying to separate what I've read from the excerpts that have been intentionally released from what I've read and is in my head and is embargoed until tomorrow.
00:40:12.020But this—I feel like this one's out there.
00:40:13.820On that front, Rich, they told us that the reason he had like a strange gait and he wasn't walking normally was because he refused to wear his boot from when he had hurt his foot a couple years earlier.
00:40:33.000He was like this bold, like Kennedy type of athlete who's like, screw the boot.
00:40:40.080So he didn't follow doctor's orders, and that's why he was limping along.
00:40:44.520And in the book, they report the truth, which is he had degenerative spine issues that were severe that were probably going to put him in a wheelchair soon.
00:42:02.420But I would say all this is shocking but not surprising.
00:42:05.500If you told me a year ago that Democrats lost because either Biden ran again or got out too late, and then you told me that after that, he became the most hated man in the country, and there were all these revelations about stuff that insiders did to cover it up, and things they knew about how really debilitated he was, and that there was a diagnosis of real serious cancer, kind of a snap diagnosis, dropped on us shortly after you left office.
00:42:32.640I would have said, of course, of course, yeah, all that's happening, and all that is going to happen, and sure enough, it has come to pass.
00:42:39.760Because it seems, you know, it seems very likely that he knew he had cancer, he was running for re-election, and that they understood they would just pass the baton to Kamala, and she'd be in, in a way that she never could be on her own.
00:42:53.280Because even Joe Biden, according to the reports, knew she was politically talentless, so this would have been a great way of stopping Orange Man bad, holding on to power, and installing their chosen puppet to take over the reins as president, while getting credit for having the first female woman of color president.
00:43:12.860Yay, go Democrats. So that makes perfect sense to me. That sounds exactly like them, as opposed to, we just didn't check a 78- to 82-year-old man's prostate for any of the four years he was president.
00:43:28.940And whoops, just fell victim to bad luck, Charlie, that he's one of, like, the only men ever to go from zero to metastatic bone cancer in a period of 12 months or less.
00:43:39.980Yeah, and I think, you know, Rich said there are two options here, and I agree, I've said that myself this morning.
00:43:47.640But in a sense, they are related, in that if it is the case that in the course of his many medical exams, which I assume, given his history, he's had brain surgery, he's had skin cancer, I believe, he's 82,
00:44:04.560would have been more intense than, say, my annual checkups, which I still get, and everyone should go and get.
00:44:11.800If in the course of all of that medical attention that is the president of the United States he was receiving, this was not caught,
00:44:20.700then it seems unlikely that that was unrelated to the ongoing cover-up, by which I mean that that in and of itself was a choice.
00:44:32.800Yeah, I have family members who have had this, and they live in England, and the health care that they get is not as good as the average American gets,
00:44:44.800because the National Health Service is not especially good, and it is certainly not as good as the president of the United States gets.
00:44:52.660I don't mean this to disparage them, and they're my family, and I love them, but they are not famous.
00:47:08.340He, you know, the pronoun, the comma, the additional clause, picking back up the thought.
00:47:13.180And actually, a lot of people were commenting on that clip at the time, questioning whether the story itself is true about, like, the frost was so full of oil.
00:47:26.900But there was an admission there that's pretty stark in retrospect, no?
00:47:31.280Well, I mean, it's so hard to tell with him, right?
00:47:34.620Whether he's making something up, whether he's confused, whether it's just poor syntax, whether it's his natural tendency to exaggerate and put himself in a situation that he's not.
00:47:59.560But he, you know, on the not wanting to know with the, potentially with the PSA test, that is part of the Tapper book, right?
00:48:05.860That they didn't want to have a cognitive test for understandable reasons because they didn't want to know and didn't want to hide it.
00:48:11.420But the Hur report, the interview with Hur was, in effect, a cognitive test.
00:48:17.120When you're forgetting years, all of us get fuzzy on dates, but when you're forgetting really key years in terms of your own life, in terms of losing your treasured son,
00:48:26.180in terms of this quadrennial cycle that's so important, been important to your whole adult life, right?
00:48:32.440When elections happen and when people are inaugurated, that's really all you need to know.
00:48:37.900And the idea he just had a bad day with the debate with Trump and the Hur report and was fine all the rest of the time was always completely crazy.
00:48:48.380And he may have had better days and worse days.
00:48:51.340But when you're having a day like that, when you just can't get the years straight, I always thought the killer question someone should ask at a press conference is, how old are you?
00:49:01.220And that's one of the key questions a neurologist will ask when they're asking basic things to try to determine whether you might have dementia or not.
00:49:09.560I don't think he knows the other being who's the president yet that that he knew most of the time.
00:49:17.040Standby. We're not done with this discussion.
00:49:18.480We'll get into the Hur report and play some of the soundbites and continue the latest on Joe Biden's office announcing he has metastatic prostate cancer, which is stage four.
00:49:30.500Next. Don't go away. Rich and Charlie are here for the whole show.
00:49:32.820More and more Americans are prioritizing their health and getting back in shape, but diet and cardio alone are not enough.
00:49:39.680If you really want to build muscle and burn fat, you must do strength training.
00:52:49.860Why release it last night on a Sunday in the midst of, well, Saturday's report, releasing the Her Audio and two days before the Tapper Thompson book comes out?
00:53:04.260Because there's a lot of possibilities.
00:53:06.340You know, a couple would be to make them look stupid, Tapper and Thompson.
00:53:21.900Another is, forgive me, but it's like the Alex Murdoch theory.
00:53:27.860That guy down in South Carolina, that lunatic prosecutor who his son had a boat accident and he was stealing from his firm and the shit was going to hit the fan.
00:53:36.720And instead of just, like, owning up to, I've been stealing and embezzling from my company.
00:53:40.840And the prosecution theory was he shot his kid and his wife to death to engender sympathy, to totally change the narrative around him, to engender sympathy.
00:53:52.740And this obviously is not that same thing, but I'm just saying, is this a move to, like, engender sympathy and get us talking about poor Joe Biden?
00:54:00.820I'm so sad as opposed to I'm so mad at what he did.
00:54:07.460You know, every time I hear Brian Stelter, I always think that the Beatles would have been thrilled to have fans as hysterical as he is when any journalists are involved.
00:54:27.400So what he's doing there, of course, is trying to inoculate the press against any criticism, which is what he exists to do.
00:54:34.120I mean, if they knew, then the most likely cynical explanation for the timing is going to be sympathy.
00:54:46.180It's going to be to make people who are talking about this look mean.
00:54:49.820We are going to, whether it was intentional or not, see a great deal of that over the next week.
00:54:54.660Anyone who says, as I have, that it would be ridiculous to stop talking about the issue of Joe Biden's many health problems that were covered up purely because we have learned about another health problem we didn't know about is going to be told that we are partisan or that we lack human emotional dignity or sensitivity and so on.
00:55:20.240And, of course, that isn't true, but it will be effective with some people.
00:55:59.840And I suspect that you would want to get ahead of that if you would a diagnosis about you.
00:56:05.860Yeah, just so that people understand that the statement reads, last week, President Biden was seen for a new finding of a prostate nodule after experiencing increasing urinary symptoms.
00:56:17.580On Friday, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer characterized by a Gleason score of nine grade group five with metastasis to the bone.
00:56:24.540While this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management.
00:56:32.400The president and his family are reviewing treatment options with his physicians.
00:56:51.360And so it did occur to me that maybe this is why they announced it is because before too long, it will leak or it will become obvious that something serious is wrong.
00:57:01.020That's not impossible, Rich, but I'm much more of a cynical mofo than Charlie.
00:58:00.840Yeah, if we don't know what happened here, but if you're a damage control specialist and the Biden family comes to you, how can we step on this book?
00:58:42.160Everybody sitting here right now, the three of us and the audience, too, frankly, knows Joe Biden is, forgive me, he's a, I'm picking between different words that begin with D.
01:00:07.920So I think Biden easily fell into that.
01:00:11.180And it was very hard for him also to let go this presidency that he's grasped for his entire life.
01:00:16.380So if you just think of recent presidents, I don't think either the Bushes, whatever else you think of them, would have lied about their health or not made the decision if they really would have had the self-awareness to realize if they were in Biden's state.
01:00:28.120I got to go for the good of my party in my country.
01:00:30.900Jimmy Carter wouldn't have lied about this.
01:00:53.180And one reason I was very bullish on Trump's chances in 2024 before the polling really showed it is I just had a deep sense that no matter what, Joe Biden was going to F it up because he's an F up.
01:01:05.340Now, he won in 2020, pass off to him for that.
01:01:08.520But I just knew in my bones he was going to F it up.
01:01:14.200It's interesting to me that you had it wasn't like a title wave of Democrats coming out in the Sunday shows, Charles, and saying, I feel lied to.
01:01:21.840So but that is one of the themes of the that's one of the more absurd themes of the Tapper Thompson book, which is like these Democrats and White House aides like shocked, shocked.
01:02:10.860And so I hope you can defend the way in which our politics played out.
01:02:15.120I mean, listen, what I've said is that, you know, like anybody who reaches that stage in their life, you know, there is some level of diminishment.
01:02:22.920But I got to work with the president pretty closely in 2022 and 2023.
01:02:26.940And I saw a president who was passing legislation and helping the American people at a pretty unprecedented rate.
01:02:32.820That being said, by 2024, the American people had decided that they wanted somebody new.
01:02:54.880Well, it's a softening that nevertheless manages to stay perfectly within his frame of reference, which is what's good for the Democratic Party.
01:03:03.200So he is saying that once again, that the Democrats suffered from Biden not stepping out of the race, which is why he pretended Biden was fine two years ago, because he didn't want to hurt the Democrats.
01:03:16.500All that has changed there is his self-serving calculation.
01:03:40.680Shockingly, I was never invited to his White House or anywhere near it.
01:03:43.420And I could see as early as 2022 what was going on with my own eyes.
01:03:47.840You know, there's another person in America who got this right.
01:03:50.560It was a super majority of the population who managed to look and see from afar, whether it be on television screens or on YouTube or what you will, and could detect that Joe Biden was not only sick in some way and unable to do the job, but was going to die soon.
01:04:13.780That is literally what the polls showed, that a majority of Americans thought that if Joe Biden was reelected to a second term, he would die during it.
01:04:21.580They didn't have sources to lie to them.
01:04:24.060They didn't have friends who covered it up or used euphemisms when they should have been plain spoken.
01:04:31.360They understood it because they're human beings and they have above average intelligence.
01:04:49.220What they did was attack the people who saw it, accuse them of falling for cheap fakes, say that it was insulting to the elderly and might cost them with older voters during the election, and be ruthlessly dishonest to the point at which we are now sitting on your show and discussing, I think, absolutely reasonably whether or not Joe Biden covered up a cancer diagnosis.
01:05:11.620So, no, I don't believe Chris Murphy, I think it is telling that the only thing that he can really say there is that it would have been better for the Democrats if they had made a different call, because that's what this was about.
01:05:22.120They would have been perfectly happy for Joe Biden to win re-election, having refused to divulge any of his infirmities to the public, and then die from a wheelchair, if needs be, so that the Democratic vice president could take over.
01:05:38.260But that is all they cared about, and they got punished for it, and they deserve to be punished for it.
01:05:42.700But their mea culpas will fall on deaf ears with me, because I just don't believe them.
01:05:47.180Yeah, now they're trying to stop coverage of the cover-up with the statements from Axelrod and Stelter, and it's a no.
01:05:58.080Even last night, I really love Piers Morgan, but he said online, I'm going to block anyone I see, and there's already a lot of vile crap flying around, mocking,
01:06:07.960celebrating, or playing partisan politics with Joe Biden's health news.
01:06:11.620The man has served his country for 50 years and is fighting for his life.
01:06:16.020Then you had Meghan McCain say, I don't know if it's just my bias or background, but I don't want to hear anything else about Biden's health cover-up, tell-alls, interviews with staff, etc.
01:06:25.600Let the Biden family be in peace right now.
01:06:27.340This is all just so sad and imprudent.
01:06:29.240I completely disagree, wholeheartedly disagree with both of those.
01:06:35.680They will deal with their private tragedy, and they'll deal with it privately, but he is the president of the United States, or was the president of the United States, and this is very much our business, very much our business, Rich, especially if we were lied to.
01:06:53.560Yeah, and this of all weeks, we're going to put it all aside right now, right when the book is being released?
01:06:59.760Come on, and to Charlie's point, it wasn't just evident in 2022.
01:07:03.980It was evident in 2019 when Joe Biden actually had to stand up with fellow Democrats and debate them at night.
01:07:10.980He was kind of okay, but he was also alarmingly bad and incoherent at times.
01:07:16.680And one of his fellow candidates, Julian Castro, pointed it out, took a couple shots at his memory.
01:07:23.760Then he was very quickly kind of left the stage, never to be heard of again.
01:07:28.740But this hasn't been a mystery for five or six years.
01:07:32.620You could just see it in front of your eyes, and it was a conspiracy against the American public and the public interest.
01:07:40.560Because this handover of Joe Biden, when he was going to be in a wheelchair in his second term, and he was going to die of natural causes, no one would want to see that, or just give up.
01:07:55.120It would have involved probably a constitutional crisis in some form or another, and involved someone who, yes, she would have been on the ticket and won, but wouldn't have been elected president of the United States becoming president.
01:08:13.880It was a terrible presidency, but there was no crisis over the Taiwan strikes or something that he just wasn't up to handling it because he wasn't up to anything anymore.
01:08:22.760But this is one of the biggest scandals of our time.
01:08:26.980And just because we have sympathy for Joe Biden, just because we wish the best for him and his family, we want him to have the—he can't fully recover from this, but have the best health outcome he can, doesn't mean we need to stop the conversation that we're just beginning to have.
01:08:45.040They have in this book, unnamed, but cabinet secretaries weighing in on whether Joe Biden was capable of handling the 2 a.m. phone call.
01:08:58.080The Herr interview is back in the news now because Axios, that's where Alex Thompson is working, released the tapes.
01:09:09.480Excerpts first on Friday, I think it was, and then the full tapes came on Saturday, of Joe Biden interviewing with special counsel Robert Herr,
01:09:16.700who was investigating Biden's retention of classified documents from his time as a U.S. senator and his time as vice president,
01:09:24.840and was very much looking into potential criminal charges against him, same as they brought against Trump for withholding some classified documents post-presidency.
01:09:33.840And the Herr report eventually concluded that he would not bring charges against Biden, even though he had him.
01:09:39.340He had him dead to rights on retaining the classified information because he was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
01:09:46.340Or that's what Herr believed a jury would conclude, and thus it would make this a difficult case to convict.
01:14:48.880And what I saw that report last night, I believe is, as a former prosecutor, the comments that
01:15:01.820were made by that prosecutor, gratuitous, inaccurate, and inappropriate.
01:15:07.440So the way that the president's demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong
01:15:16.880on the facts and clearly politically motivated, gratuitous.
01:15:23.480And so I will say that when it comes to the role and responsibility of a prosecutor in a situation like that, we should expect that there would be a higher level of integrity than what we saw.
01:15:51.740And anyone who hears a single word that comes out of Kamala Harris's mouth from here on in should know that she is capable of that sort of performance in the pursuit of whatever she wants to achieve that day.
01:16:02.960That is just extraordinary. It was extraordinary at the time, if anything, Robert Hurt downplayed it out of respect and probably because he understood that his role was not to end the presidency of Joe Biden, which he could have done if he had decided to sacrifice himself, smuggled the tapes out and released them to the press.
01:16:21.540That would have been it for Joe Biden.
01:16:24.900He wrote a fairly kind report which stayed within the bounds of the remit that he had been given.
01:16:31.460I mean, Joe Biden is as bad as Harris in the first clip you played.
01:16:41.940He is trying to find a way to escape the fact that he is unfit for office and he is doing it with mawkish bullying.
01:16:51.440And I don't feel thrilled about having to talk about this, Megan, because it must be terrible to lose a son.
01:16:58.200But what he is doing there, which I'm afraid he did quite a lot in his presidency, is using the memory of his son and the real hurt that his son's death created to get himself out of a political jam.
01:17:12.700And I would not be doing my job if I gave in to the attempt over and over and over again, Biden inappropriately talked about Bo's death.
01:17:26.320And he did so there and in the process, he slimed and slandered Robert Herr and tried to make her look like some sort of dishonest, partisan, motivated hack.
01:17:40.940And really what had happened was that Joe Biden had been put in front of a tape recorder with no one there to edit his words or twist the circumstances or cover for his inadequacies.
01:17:58.080And he had given another person irrefutable evidence of his infirmity.
01:18:05.340And let's not pretend that what is on that tape, I listened to a lot of it over the weekend.
01:18:12.180Let's not pretend that what is on that tape was not echoed in cabinet meetings, in one on ones with senators and others.
01:18:22.220I was told off the record by a senator in about 2023 that Biden's performances in some military meetings that he was obliged to have were alarming.
01:18:40.860So it's scary, but what is just as scary, I think, is the confidence and the indignation with which both Biden and Harris and many of their acolytes in the press and the Democratic Party tried to bury it and cast it as a lie when it was anything but.
01:19:09.520And here's another example of it, Rich, where Adam Schiff, who was one of the main villains in the wake of her report, went after her, who testified before Congress on all of this on March 12th, 2024, SOP 15.
01:19:24.460You don't gratuitously do things to prejudice the subject of an investigation when you're declining to prosecute.
01:19:32.140You don't gratuitously add language that you know will be useful in a political campaign.
01:19:54.960There is nothing more common with a witness of any age when asked about events that are years old to say, I do not recall.
01:20:01.660Congressman, what you are suggesting is that I shape, sanitize, omit portions of my reasoning and explanation to the attorney general for political reasons.
01:20:11.720No, I suggest that you not shape your report for political reasons, which is what you did.
01:21:00.900And in 2017, Bo had passed and this is personal.
01:21:18.080The genesis of the book and the title, Promise Me Dad, was a, I know you're all close with your sons and daughters, but Bo was like my right arm and that was my left.
01:21:42.160And these guys were a year and a year and a year and a day apart and they could finish each other sentences.
01:21:47.960And Bo, I used to go home on the train in the period that I was still in the Senate.
01:22:45.620He wasn't trying to nail Joe Biden to the wall.
01:22:48.480He was gently trying to elicit this information from a meandering old man who couldn't come back to the point very often or remember basic dates.
01:22:58.560And it's her who's often saying, well, why don't we take a break, Mr. President?
01:23:03.040So he's not trying to nail him to the wall at all.
01:23:07.000And it's really a public service to have this audio out belatedly because a transcript, transcripts very often don't entirely do justice to a video or an audio recording.
01:23:17.340But this transcript is miles away from what the audio portrays, right?
01:23:23.020Because you can't get the length of the pauses in the transcripts.
01:23:27.020You can't get how painful it is to listen as that grandfather clock is tick, tock, tick, tock.
01:23:45.180So this is the performance of a man who, yes, if you got him in the jury box, probably no one would prosecute him because he'd clearly be out of it.
01:23:54.700But a guy who is not suited to be president of the United States.
01:23:58.300And we just had a glimpse of the truth via that, her report.
01:24:02.340They couldn't handle it and did everything they could to lie and smear him.
01:24:05.900The amazing part, too, is that, you know, you're getting the gist of all this.
01:24:11.420But he does testify that he thinks he wanted to keep one of these classified documents, a 2009 memo on what's happening in Afghanistan, quote, for posterity's sake.
01:24:48.820And then he said he guesses it was for posterity's sake.
01:24:51.900And I want to be really clear that, like, we're not going to guess what the real answer was.
01:24:55.880I don't remember. I was like, it was ridiculous, a ridiculous speaking objection by Bob Bauer.
01:25:01.120I'll just play one more of Biden struggling to remember and, you know, ask the audience whether it was just gratuitous for Robert Hurd to say he had a poor memory.
01:25:11.400And this is one of the reasons why I don't think I can prosecute him on the retention of documents.
01:26:13.640And I suspect that if this were the other way around and the prosecutor had been a Democrat and the president had been a Republican, that prosecutor would have been a whistleblower, would have released the information, been turned into a resistance hero and then got a nice gig on CNN.
01:26:33.100That Robert Herr not only didn't do that when he must have been personally horrified and alarmed by what he saw, but downplayed very kindly the report of what he had seen in his written documentation.
01:26:51.700Essentially limited it to the question he was being asked, which is should you prosecute him or not, is admirable.
01:26:59.160And I think it must have been just on a personal level, really terrible for her because he knew this thing that the public suspected but didn't know with evidence and didn't know in the scope that he knew it.
01:27:15.120Not only was he unable to say it, but he's then brought in front of Congress and all these people on live television are telling him that he's a liar and a chancer and an opportunist when he's been precisely the opposite.
01:27:32.460So I think, you know, really people have started asking when does Robert Herr get his apology as a meme?
01:27:40.240You know, it's a phrase we bandy about in the language, but I think it should be taken literally.
01:27:48.140I think there are a hundred people in our politics and our media who genuinely owe Robert Herr an apology, who should stand in front of a television camera and say,
01:27:58.680I am sorry for what I said about this professional who behaved with dignity and honor because the Joe Biden that you hear there sounds like he is in a nursing home.
01:28:12.620It sounds to me like some of those recordings that you sometimes hear of someone who say survived the Titanic.
01:28:20.480And they've been caught just before they die by an enterprising reporter or biographer who has said, hang on a minute, we're running out of people to interview about this.
01:28:31.040Let's let's go and put a tape recorder in front of this 93 year old woman who got out in 1912 when the boat sank.
01:28:38.760It does not sound like somebody who should be in charge of the largest and most important military in the world.
01:30:53.220You can take an hour and a half of that, right?
01:30:55.020You wouldn't want to be around that person all the time.
01:30:57.580But of course he's going to make the shot perfectly, right?
01:31:00.080He's going to out-mongol, mongol warriors with his archery.
01:31:06.200You know, another thing I loved about Biden, he'd oftentimes, you know, he's this 80-year-old guy, like with legs like toothpicks and could fall down at any moment if he goes over the wrong rug, like challenging people to fight, you know?
01:31:38.400In the clip you played of him talking about Robert Herr and saying that he shouldn't have asked about Bo, which he didn't, he almost said it.
01:31:45.920You could see he was gearing up to say, like, you know, I was going to fight him or I thought that I should have fought him or hit him or something.
01:31:54.000And then, because I've heard Biden speak so many times and he did all of the preparatory work and then he looked out at the audience and thought maybe it wouldn't be a good idea.
01:32:01.760So instead he just said it was inappropriate.
01:32:03.980But what you heard there, Megan, is Biden on autopilot, right?
01:32:07.900That's what people of a certain age, especially if they have issues with dementia, do is they go on to autopilot into the stories that they've told for years, many of which might not be true or have been embellished and increased over time.
01:32:23.160And they can do that. Those are deeply sunk into their minds.
01:32:27.240But the details that are requested of them, as was the case in that Robert Herr interview, elude them.
01:32:35.020And I don't think, you know, that's surprising to anyone who's followed Joe Biden.
01:32:39.180Joe Biden is a bullshitter. He's always been a bullshitter.
01:32:41.800But what he was essentially left with by 2023 was only the bullshit, only the stories he'd told 30 times in which he was the hero and no ability to process anything else.
01:32:52.360And so you hear that in his interviews.
01:32:56.540He didn't want to talk about all the difficult memories that were hazy.
01:32:59.740He wanted to just go back into the bullshit.
01:33:02.600Poor Robert Herr. You got a feel for the guy.
01:33:05.000The whole thing soup to nuts is a very negative experience for him.
01:33:09.400Rich and Charlie, stand by. We'll be right back after this.
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01:35:20.720Every challenge that Joe Biden and Jill Biden have faced in their life, they have taken the American people along to help us when we face the same challenges.
01:35:30.460So this is not something he was carrying around or that he was hiding.
01:35:34.000I just, again, want to commend the people who cut their tongues off and said, get well soon.
01:35:43.760Because I think that it just, it did something for me.
01:35:49.560And the people who didn't cut their tongues off, I have a place where they can put them.
01:35:53.280I'm sorry for subjecting you to a view clip, but I had to, in light of what we've been through these two hours together, you guys, of course.
01:37:08.420They did everything to hide it and to hold on to power.
01:37:13.680So they were party to and the prime movers behind a hideous lie that put, you know, maybe some of the people around them really wanted him to stay and were active participants or very willing participants in this.
01:37:31.180But once you're not able, in decline, such that you can't really serve in the office anymore, but saying you're going to run again, it puts everyone in a terrible position.
01:37:41.480It doesn't excuse Chris Murphy or any of these characters, but they were all in a terrible position because the natural partisan instinct, right, is to not do something to hurt your party.
01:37:51.000And just saying the truth about Joe Biden would have hurt their party.
01:37:55.080So they all ended up complicit one way or the other in this conspiracy.
01:38:01.100Yeah, the center of which was Joe and Jill Biden.
01:38:05.080The book that needs to be written next, and I really hope somebody's working on it right now, is going to be called Complicit.
01:38:10.160That's really what needs, and it needs to include everyone.
01:38:12.780One person who would undoubtedly be on that list and who the ladies of The View would love to have seen in that Oval Office is Hillary Clinton.
01:38:22.160She was in New York on May 1st, but we just got our hands on this, and had a message for Americans about the Trump presidency and more.
01:38:33.580What advice do you have the first female president of the United States?
01:38:37.740Well, first of all, don't be a handmaiden to the patriarchy, which kind of eliminates every woman on the other side of the aisle, except for very few.
01:39:03.220Look, first we have to get there, and it is, you know, obviously so much harder than it should be.
01:39:13.340So, you know, if a woman runs who I think would be a good president, as I thought Kamala Harris would be, and as I knew I would be, I will support that woman.
01:39:26.520So everybody on the right is a handmaiden to the patriarchy except for Lisa Murkowski.
01:39:31.200Yeah, so that's obviously a stupid thing to say, but you know what struck me more about that is that she used the words handmaiden to the patriarchy.
01:39:39.340Hillary Clinton is somebody who actually has a much better understanding of normal Americans than she has exhibited in the last 10 years.
01:39:54.580I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I think there were a lot of things about Hillary Clinton that could have been successful had she become president.
01:40:05.920And now she's talking like some sort of MSNBC, you know, Tumblr resistance, Gen Z influencer.
01:40:17.640Again, I'm not a Hillary Clinton person.
01:40:19.480I didn't want Hillary Clinton to be president.
01:40:20.860I disagree with most of her politics, but Hillary Clinton actually knows deep down why a lot of people who don't like her don't like her because she saw them with her husband, two terms as governor of Arkansas, president of the United States for two years.