The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke ｜ Ep. 1075

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.960 Wow, we knew we would have a jam-packed show for you today with multiple major stories breaking over the weekend,

00:00:19.700 but we didn't know it would be quite this big.

00:00:22.220 Yesterday, Joe Biden's office announced that the former president has been diagnosed with a, quote,

00:00:26.780 aggressive form of prostate cancer that has spread to his bones.

00:00:31.280 Doctors say they made the diagnosis on Friday, the office statement said,

00:00:36.760 after Mr. Biden complained of urinary symptoms, which led doctors to find a small nodule on his prostate.

00:00:44.160 The statement yesterday read in part, quote,

00:00:46.340 while this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive,

00:00:52.700 which allows for effective management, end quote.

00:00:55.240 So that's what Mr. Biden's office is telling us.

00:00:59.500 But the timing of this announcement is raising many serious questions.

00:01:05.320 How could President Biden, who left office at the age of 82, not have been previously screened for prostate cancer?

00:01:13.300 Oncologist Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, I've interviewed him many times on Fox News.

00:01:19.000 He's a prominent Democrat, and he is the so-called architect of Obamacare.

00:01:24.680 He told Morning Joe today that, in his opinion, Mr. Biden had this cancer while he was president.

00:01:31.060 Watch.

00:01:31.680 Very few people get diagnosed this advanced.

00:01:34.320 About 7% of all prostate cancer in the country gets diagnosed when you have a lesion that's in the bone.

00:01:42.340 He did not develop it in the last 100, 200 days.

00:01:46.220 He had it while he was president.

00:01:48.080 He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021.

00:01:53.380 The news of the diagnosis came on the same weekend we heard the audio for the first time from Mr. Biden's interview with Special Counsel Robert Herr,

00:02:03.100 where the president forgot the years when he had been vice president, as well as the year when his son Bo died.

00:02:11.600 And it comes just ahead of tomorrow's publication of this book, Original Sin, by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.

00:02:17.300 They'll be here, by the way, on this program tomorrow.

00:02:20.920 Don't miss that.

00:02:22.400 And the book lays out the significant cognitive issues that Joe Biden displayed while president and the lengths his aides went to hide them.

00:02:31.400 Now, I've read the book.

00:02:32.800 It's embargoed.

00:02:34.380 And we've agreed not to disclose what we've read prior to Tapper and Thompson coming on tomorrow.

00:02:40.020 But I can tell you this.

00:02:42.920 It's horrifying.

00:02:44.640 It was extensive, the cover-up.

00:02:46.880 They do name names.

00:02:47.740 I don't know why people are saying that they don't name names.

00:02:49.620 They do name names of the specific aides that were most responsible for covering it up.

00:02:53.800 And we'll get into exactly who they were and who was most responsible.

00:02:58.040 So there are things to be learned from this book.

00:03:00.700 And tomorrow will be an interesting exchange between me and these two.

00:03:03.980 Because, yes, of course, I'm going to give them a hard time, especially Tapper.

00:03:09.600 He knows that.

00:03:10.680 He says he wants to answer these questions for their role, I mean, the media's role in covering this up.

00:03:17.700 But I want to get into the substance of this book.

00:03:21.920 I don't think we on the independent and right-leaning ecosphere should ignore the substance that's been reported in this book just because you may or may not like the reporters.

00:03:33.120 And you may or may not think that they had a hand in keeping it quiet, right?

00:03:36.860 Like, it is worthwhile to look at what they're reporting because there actually is extensive new reporting in there.

00:03:43.040 I disagree with people who say that they haven't broken any new ground.

00:03:46.780 There are a lot of new details in there that I did not know and that I think you guys are all going to find very, very, very interesting.

00:03:52.360 And not coincidentally, I believe, now we get this presidential announcement from the Biden office.

00:03:59.460 And as if on cue, we get this from top Democrat strategist David Axelrod reacting to the news from Joe Biden's office, suggesting that these discussions we're about to have as this book hits shelves and the Her Audio becomes public about Biden's cognitive issues.

00:04:24.100 Well, it's going to be, it's going to need to be more muted now, now that the man is suffering from cancer.

00:04:30.800 Watch.

00:04:31.500 Yeah, well, I mean, I think those conversations are going to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside for now as he's struggling through this.

00:04:44.740 Well, we reject your suggestion and that will not be happening on this program.

00:04:49.900 We will be taking a full, robust, deep dive into everything that's revealed in that book.

00:04:57.400 And no, no detail will be spared, David Axelrod, because of this diagnosis.

00:05:08.040 You are hashtag part of the problem.

00:05:10.580 The same media that covered up the Joe Biden mental infirmity is now going to try to use this diagnosis as an excuse to cover up the discussion about the cover up.

00:05:25.940 It's a no, Mr. Axelrod.

00:05:29.080 And he's not the only one saying it.

00:05:30.800 We'll get to that.

00:05:32.240 Joining me today in just a moment, Charles C.W. Cook, senior editor and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast and Rich Lowry.

00:05:41.000 Editor-in-Chief of National Review.

00:05:43.160 They will also be standing by for the first 20 minutes of the show as we start with one of the most respected doctors when it comes to prostate cancer in the world.

00:05:54.760 His name is Dr. David Samadhi.

00:05:56.360 If you watch Fox News, you might know him.

00:05:58.860 Had him on my shows there many times.

00:06:00.980 He is a prostate cancer surgeon.

00:06:02.580 He's director of men's health and urologic oncology at St. Francis Hospital in New York.

00:06:07.600 He's also author of the book, Prostate Cancer.

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00:07:13.140 Dr. Samadi, welcome.

00:07:14.520 Good to see you again.

00:07:15.220 How are you?

00:07:16.380 Good to be with you, Megan.

00:07:17.300 It's a pleasure and a congratulation on all the success of your show.

00:07:21.240 It's good to be with you.

00:07:22.600 Thank you so much.

00:07:23.780 All right.

00:07:24.120 So let's start with this statement that the former president's office put out.

00:07:31.240 Is there any way that they just found out for the first time on Friday that he had prostate cancer and it had metastasized to the bone with absolutely no warning?

00:07:41.900 Do you find that likely prior to that?

00:07:44.160 I think it's less likely.

00:07:45.520 I think the better story and the fact is that probably he's had this for many years.

00:07:51.840 We know that about a year ago, his physicians, they basically gave him the clear bill of health that he's in good physical shape and there are no issues.

00:08:01.120 And typically, this kind of prostate cancer stage for prostate cancer doesn't show up in within one year.

00:08:07.640 He probably has had it for many years, given the importance of his job, a consortium of doctors take care of these presidents.

00:08:17.160 I've had multiple presidents in my practice that I've taken care of, and it's not always one doctor.

00:08:22.960 There are multiple doctors.

00:08:23.920 They go through very aggressive screening, PSA, digital rectal exams.

00:08:30.700 And, you know, it's very unlikely that he just was diagnosed now and with metastases.

00:08:36.280 Yes.

00:08:36.700 If you're in third world countries where there are no PSA screenings, we see people coming in with PSAs of 100, 150, that's a different story.

00:08:45.300 But in America, with our health care system, given his position, it's practically almost impossible to see someone show up with stage four Gleason 9 metastases to bone within a year.

00:08:56.480 That's unheard of.

00:08:57.660 And I certainly, in 25 years of my career, I've never seen it.

00:09:01.120 You've never seen it.

00:09:03.180 Correct.

00:09:04.240 These are very aggressive cancers.

00:09:06.280 Typically, if you look at the past 10, 15 years of his PSA, they gradually climb up, even though the PSA is not always the most specific test, but you will see a rise.

00:09:17.400 There would be some symptoms when it comes to these aggressive prostate cancers.

00:09:21.560 Typically, prostate cancer is asymptomatic, but they would have some vague symptoms of urinary issues, getting up in the middle of the night, sometimes even blood in the semen, etc.

00:09:32.820 Obviously, he's 82 years old, and over 50% of men over the age of 80 will have prostate cancer if you diagnose them.

00:09:40.580 The problem with him is that he has a very aggressive Gleason 9.

00:09:44.300 Now, the worst is Gleason 10, so this is up there, and the fact that it has metastasized, either in the first scenario, it was completely missed, which is hard to imagine, or it was not reported at the time of diagnosis many years ago, and they're just reporting the metastases, or this story, I think there are more questions than answers, given what we see today with the type of cancer that he has.

00:10:09.200 Well, the third possibility is they did see it, and they kept it a secret from us.

00:10:15.020 That certainly is one possibility, that's for sure, but the timing of this, and the fact that it was just released now, is very strange and odd.

00:10:25.080 Now, the treatments are obviously very, very difficult.

00:10:28.280 As you know, Megan, if I would have met him about 10 years ago when this cancer was just localized within prostate cancer, with our technology of robotic surgery, we could have saved his life with possibility of radiation afterwards if he needs it.

00:10:41.840 Now that the cancer is spread to the bone, the prognosis is poor.

00:10:45.540 Now, from the time of diagnosis, whenever that is, or that was, it takes about 5 to 7 years for the cancer to metastasize to bone, and another 5 years or so for the person to die, unfortunately, from this disease.

00:11:00.500 Obviously, that's the average.

00:11:02.440 The only treatment that's effective right now is not surgery, it's not radiation, it's hormonal treatment or medical castration, where it can reduce his testosterone to a very low level in order to slow down these cells from growing further.

00:11:18.320 So we can slow down the progression, but there's no cure at this point.

00:11:21.800 Doc, there was another doctor online who was suggesting that it was possible that some of the treatments for prostate cancer can cause what looks like a decline in mental acuity.

00:11:39.660 There's a doctor, Stephen Quay, he wrote an article for The Spectator, and he said as follows, you tell me whether this is true.

00:11:46.520 He said, was President Biden's cognitive decline a side effect of prostate cancer treatment?

00:11:54.440 A recent study showed that four objective measures and one subjective measure of cognitive function were all significantly impaired by the androgen deprivation therapy, ADT, used for metastatic prostate cancer treatment, citing a clinical trial report.

00:12:12.440 Is that the case? Is there a treatment for prostate cancer that can cause what looks like cognitive decline?

00:12:20.200 Yes. What he's talking about is something called ADT or medications such as Elagard or Lupron, which I was just talking about, the hormonal treatment.

00:12:29.840 And not only they would lower the testosterone, they can cause hot flashes and menopausal symptoms, but they can also have cardiac issues.

00:12:36.880 And one of those side effects, Megan, is mental health issues, meaning like, you know, it's a little cloudy, they're not concentrating, and it can affect it.

00:12:47.080 Now, don't forget that President Biden also has had in the past two episodes of aneurysm in his brain, has had multiple surgeries on that.

00:12:55.740 So some of those could also affect his mental issues.

00:13:00.220 And I, if you look at my Twitter about like a couple of years ago, I talked about that as a doctor, I was concerned about his mental health issues.

00:13:08.260 But of course, as a doctor, you don't want to get into politics because media can always come back and attack you for being honest and telling the truth.

00:13:16.240 But given also his age, that he's 82 years old, under a lot of stress, has been in politics for many years, the brain aneurysm, two episodes, and sometimes even prostate cancer can, of course, it always metastasizes to bone, but it can also metastasize to brain.

00:13:34.260 It's not as likely, but all of those are scenarios and the side effects of hormonal treatment that can cause mental health issues.

00:13:41.200 Let me ask you something, Doc, as you, you and I have had discussions like this for many years now, and you're right, I agree with you.

00:13:49.700 Had they come to you 10 years ago with an initial diagnosis, you would have used your robotics, you know, arm to perform this incredible surgery, you were one of the first to do it.

00:13:59.900 And is that a point on the other side, like that, that this is truthful, that they did just discover it?

00:14:07.420 Because if you are treating, let's just, because everybody's thinking the same thing, that they found out and they kept it quiet.

00:14:13.220 They didn't want us to know because they wanted to beat the orange man. 0.79

00:14:15.980 And they knew saying the sitting president has cancer would not be a great reelection tagline.

00:14:21.140 So, but to argue it on his side, let's just walk it through.

00:14:24.260 Because if they did have a high PSA test while he was in office, or even before he became president, right, you know, five to seven years, you say.

00:14:32.020 So that would have been before he became president.

00:14:34.640 Wouldn't they, politics aside, have gone to a Dr. Samadhi type and said, let's have a surgery.

00:14:41.900 I mean, is it plausible that in the name of staying in office or getting in office, he would not have had the prostate surgery just to keep it all on the down low?

00:14:52.880 Yeah, I think it's an excellent question that you're bringing up, Megan.

00:14:55.640 And in my career of 25 years, I have dealt with a lot of politicians and TV moguls who have come up with prostate cancer.

00:15:05.560 And unfortunately, sometimes they make a wrong medical decision based on political reasons.

00:15:11.460 And this is what the point that you're bringing up is that maybe at the time, you know, we would have had a perfect cure and put this to rest.

00:15:20.980 And instead of what was going on at the time with politics and the fact that it can affect his campaign, not only him, but many other politicians that we've seen in the past, they may have made the wrong decisions.

00:15:31.720 Now, I cannot be sure of that because I'm not his doctor.

00:15:35.220 I haven't looked at his records, but it's what one thing is clear is that it's very hard to wake up within a year and go from zero to stage four prostate cancer with metastasis.

00:15:47.720 Now, what they're saying is that the doctors felt a nodule.

00:15:50.880 What's a nodule?

00:15:51.660 It's a firmness on the prostate.

00:15:53.580 15% of prostate cancers are detected by a nodule or firmness on the prostate itself.

00:15:59.580 85% are detected by the blood test called PSA.

00:16:03.140 In today's world, if there was any question about his PSA or what we call PSA velocity or the rise of that blood test, there would be MRI all over him.

00:16:13.500 There would be PET scans.

00:16:14.660 There would be it's very hard to imagine that the president of the United States will go on for years without the kind of attention that normal patients will get in our practice.

00:16:25.520 And this was missed.

00:16:26.680 So I have a very difficult time to believe that whether or not they made the wrong decision because of what the politics was, that certainly is a good question that you're bringing up.

00:16:37.460 What if, you know, let's say he got let's just say he got a diagnosis five to seven years ago that he had prostate cancer.

00:16:42.700 And we have no idea what's true.

00:16:44.960 They've lied to us so many times about his health.

00:16:46.820 We really don't know what to believe.

00:16:48.540 But I mean, for all we know, he did have some sort of a surgery and this is a recurrence.

00:16:52.340 We have no idea.

00:16:54.080 But is there a way if they said, can he get treatment while the sitting president, you know, with medicines over the past four years?

00:17:03.900 Could he have done like this ADT or the thing that we just discussed?

00:17:07.780 Could he have been taking those treatments over the past four years, like quietly on the weekends?

00:17:12.960 How would that go?

00:17:13.900 Well, you know, we know that he has not had surgery because if the information they're telling us that it was just last week that they examined him and they felt a nodule, that means that the prostate is still there and nobody has removed it.

00:17:29.880 And so if he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer while he was a president, they could have treated him with this hormonal treatment, given the fact that he had metastasis.

00:17:39.320 But he would be, even though we didn't see a lot of him on TV and he was not present for a long period of time, but you would see him at times, he would break into sweat and he would have like exactly like menopausal symptoms that women go through, that he would get hot flashes, that he would be very tired.

00:17:57.820 And he would have a lot of symptoms and he would have a lot of symptoms and side effects of this hormonal treatment.

00:18:02.240 So the story doesn't make sense.

00:18:07.140 I think that certainly he's had this cancer for close to a decade or so.

00:18:13.440 Prostate cancer, glycerin 9, it grows rapidly, but it takes years for it to metastasize.

00:18:20.880 And I don't see too many patients like this, not in today's world, with the kind of screening, the MRIs and exams that we have.

00:18:30.200 And if that's truly what happened, it's a major, major malpractice.

00:18:35.060 And the fact that these doctors, they just completely missed it.

00:18:38.300 And it's very unfortunate.

00:18:39.880 Is there any way the doctors, as we look back at the most recent PSA or most recent physical for Joe Biden in February of 24, and it didn't show that a PSA test had been done, which doesn't mean one was not done.

00:18:55.700 But I heard Dr. Emanuel on MSNBC this morning saying, some number of older men choose not to have the PSA test.

00:19:06.360 Do you believe that the White House physician, this Dr. Kevin O'Connor, could have in good faith said, you're 82, or I guess let's subtract four years from that.

00:19:17.460 You're 78.

00:19:18.640 You don't really need it.

00:19:19.880 We're not going to do it.

00:19:21.840 Megan, this is not about the last year or two years ago.

00:19:25.020 When you talk about such a big cancer like this, this has been cooking for many years.

00:19:30.880 And someone like him, he's had at least 30 to 40 years of PSA history.

00:19:36.800 Someone who is in politics like this, senators, congressmen, politicians, they have a lot of attention.

00:19:44.140 They check their cholesterols.

00:19:45.260 They check their hearts.

00:19:46.220 They check from top to bottom.

00:19:47.540 So, you know, it's true that over the age of 80, we don't want to be too aggressive with PSA screening because most likely people die from other diseases than prostate cancer.

00:19:59.240 But someone like him who was just the president, there's no way in the world that their doctors would just not look at PSA and not look at the PSA in the last many years and just say, well, he's old enough.

00:20:10.960 And there's no indication to do this.

00:20:12.900 That doesn't happen.

00:20:14.680 And if it did, it's probably malpractice.

00:20:17.440 What's your guess on how many years the PSA would have been elevated given this diagnosis?

00:20:21.460 In general, it takes like, you know, probably over the last decade or so, this has been climbing up.

00:20:28.200 There are cases of prostate cancer glycerin 9s where the PSA could be very low.

00:20:32.840 We've seen those because if the prostate is filled with a lot of cancer, they may not secrete enough PSA.

00:20:40.640 So sometimes it could be a little tricky.

00:20:42.780 But you have the MRIs.

00:20:44.920 You certainly have the digital rectal exams.

00:20:46.820 You look at the PSAs over the last many years and you will be able to detect this.

00:20:51.620 So I'm not sure if he has a family history of prostate cancer or anyone else.

00:20:57.000 But don't forget, President Biden was supposed to be the savior of cancer in this world.

00:21:05.120 When he was assigned by President Obama to really take care of cancer and put stop to this,

00:21:10.880 his mission was to make sure that the number of cancers are gone down,

00:21:15.380 that we have all the cure and the best technology.

00:21:18.040 So he's one person that he should be very aware, certainly of prostate cancer and many other cancers.

00:21:25.180 It's impossible for me to imagine that his doctors would let him go for many years,

00:21:29.960 certainly as an important drug that he has without screening.

00:21:33.980 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:21:36.020 And by the way, my understanding is that that PSA test, is it prostate antigen test?

00:21:41.080 Prostate specific antigen.

00:21:42.360 That's just a blood test.

00:21:44.780 So if he's giving blood for an annual physical for his triglycerides, that's just an extra box you check.

00:21:50.760 It's not like some extra thing he would have had to go through.

00:21:53.920 Absolutely right.

00:21:55.120 You're correct.

00:21:56.060 So you look at the size of his prostate.

00:21:59.020 Hopefully a good urologist has examined his prostate to feel because sometimes medical doctors may not detect it.

00:22:05.260 So expertise plays a big role.

00:22:07.960 But you look at the nodule.

00:22:09.300 You look at the PSAs.

00:22:11.300 If there's any question, someone like him, given the family history of cancers and the fact that his son got into trouble because of cancer and many other families,

00:22:20.860 don't forget he also has a history of skin cancer.

00:22:23.580 So the family are very well aware of what to do.

00:22:27.840 And any red flag in his PSA or exam would have sent them for an MRI, would have given them like PET scan, and they've been able to detect this.

00:22:37.480 So the fact that he's at 82, shows up with stage 4, glycerin 9 with metastases, it's really unfortunate.

00:22:46.360 And, you know, I don't know what to say about this.

00:22:49.100 Obviously, I wish him well.

00:22:50.740 And if there's anything we can do to help, I've written about this in this book that just came out recently, Prostate Cancer, Now What?

00:22:58.680 But stage 4 is very difficult because they've got to get the hormonal treatment.

00:23:02.920 Now they can go on for many years as long as the hormone is sensitive.

00:23:07.480 That's another thing that they mentioned in the article is diagnosed with glycerin 9, metastases, and it's hormonal sensitive.

00:23:14.420 Now, I don't know how they know this because they have to give the injections.

00:23:18.580 The PSA has to go down to zero.

00:23:20.740 And as long as he responds to these hormonal treatments, fine.

00:23:25.440 You know, he will be there.

00:23:27.500 The day that he would become resistant to these hormones, unfortunately, then he has to go for chemotherapy.

00:23:33.660 And the outcome and results of those are very poor.

00:23:37.040 And most patients don't do well.

00:23:39.680 Wait a minute.

00:23:40.100 So you're saying that jumped out at you, the fact that they're stating in their statement, they say,

00:23:46.020 the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management.

00:23:51.740 You're saying how would they know that this soon?

00:23:55.100 Right, exactly.

00:23:55.880 So if he was just a week ago, they had the prostate nodule.

00:24:00.680 Within a week, they did the biopsy and they got the disease.

00:24:03.900 So very quickly, within one week, based on the story that they're telling, they've been able to do the staging part and find out if the cancer is spread to the bone or not.

00:24:12.920 But you have to give the injections and see if the patient responds.

00:24:16.420 We don't know what his PSA is.

00:24:17.740 If the PSA starts to go down, then that's when you know that he's hormonal sensitive.

00:24:23.420 I don't know how they will be able to give all of this information from diagnosis to treatment to all of that within one week.

00:24:31.180 The story doesn't make any sense.

00:24:33.700 Oh, that's very interesting.

00:24:35.180 Well, you know, the interesting, the other part of it is, yeah, the bone metastasis.

00:24:39.520 Because anybody who's ever had a cancer scare, and sadly, that's, you know, millions and millions of Americans where you just get like the I'm concerned from the doctor, then you have to wait.

00:24:49.980 You have to wait forever.

00:24:51.640 Now, granted, he's the former president, so maybe it's on an expedited basis.

00:24:55.220 But even just the bone metastasis, that came back very quickly within less than a week from the feeling of the nodule.

00:25:04.220 Is that abbreviated?

00:25:05.520 Does that seem too short a time or no?

00:25:07.300 Well, I think that's possible to be able to get him.

00:25:11.180 I mean, he's the president.

00:25:12.240 He was the president of this country.

00:25:13.560 So getting a bone scan, he doesn't he's not going to wait like the rest of the country.

00:25:17.940 And in this country, unlike other countries like Canada and other countries, people don't wait six months to get a bone scan.

00:25:25.360 So I think they can put him through fast track.

00:25:27.740 But again, the biggest and I got so many phone calls and questions about the fact that how can someone be great a year ago, and within a year, you will have stage four with metastasis.

00:25:39.740 And this is like to answer a lot of men out there who are diagnosed with prostate cancer.

00:25:44.400 Number one, a lot of patients are on surveillance or close surveillance or watchful waiting.

00:25:51.520 We're monitoring them because they have low risk prostate cancer.

00:25:54.800 You need to be in the hands of experts on prostate cancer and always get a second opinion because it can advance.

00:26:00.900 Now, that's another scenario, Megan, because maybe he had 10, 12 years ago, a moderate risk prostate cancer.

00:26:07.780 And they told him, just watch this.

00:26:09.320 It's not aggressive.

00:26:11.120 You know, you don't need to affect your political thing.

00:26:13.580 And over time, it advanced to glycine and then, unfortunately, metastasis.

00:26:18.540 So there's a lot more unknown than than answers that we have.

00:26:24.020 But well, given the fact that you're raising a good point, because I like it's just now occurring to me.

00:26:30.020 I'm just so used to cynical politicians and I don't know whether this is a lie or not.

00:26:33.640 I just understand there's we all distrust him now.

00:26:36.380 So if this is not true, this is this is a pernicious lie, because in the same way women obsess over breast cancers and, you know, ovarian cancer, men obsess over this.

00:26:51.660 And we definitely should not be putting out into the ecosphere a message that it's a thing.

00:26:58.940 You know, you're fine.

00:27:00.040 And then four months later, you have metastatic prostate cancer that's in your bones because you're a true expert saying that just doesn't happen.

00:27:08.480 That's that actually does not sound real.

00:27:10.700 He would have had this cancer for five to seven years.

00:27:12.980 In his case, he either didn't detect it.

00:27:16.200 He and his doctor five to seven years ago or they did.

00:27:19.100 And they're not telling us the truth.

00:27:20.120 That's correct.

00:27:22.040 So it's not a typical story where within a year you would end up with a stage four prostate cancer.

00:27:27.920 And the message that I think you're bringing up to save many more men out there who may or may not know about prostate cancer is beginning age 40, get your baseline PSA.

00:27:36.680 And if you have family history, make sure you're more aggressive with getting screen.

00:27:40.960 Screening is important because when you find the cancer within the walls of prostate, the cure 10 year survival is close to 100 percent.

00:27:49.320 And once the prostate cancer starts to leak and again, we don't know when he was diagnosed, how many years he's had it.

00:27:56.480 And maybe they just monitored him and watched him.

00:27:59.840 And we know a lot of people in America are on close surveillance and there's some danger to that.

00:28:04.120 But once it starts to leak, then you're going to go to radiation and hormonal treatment and then the final stage.

00:28:12.600 And that's one of the reasons why I tell you, Megan, this has been going on for many years.

00:28:17.080 Either he knew about it or he didn't know about it.

00:28:19.760 That's a whole different political issue that you're bringing up.

00:28:23.340 And he should have had as a president, he should have these answers.

00:28:27.240 Once you get to stage four, unfortunately, it's a painful experience with a lot of complications from this hormonal treatment.

00:28:35.020 And you're right.

00:28:35.580 Some of these hormonal treatment not only can affect his heart, but can affect his mental status and mental health issues.

00:28:42.780 So he really needs to surround himself with, you know, aggressive doctors who are going to monitor him very closely.

00:28:50.320 Doc, I'm sure there are a lot of men out there listening to this right now asking themselves,

00:28:54.660 OK, I'm not I'm not testing for any of this because I don't want to be impotent.

00:28:59.760 But is that always the outcome if, you know, you do find yourself with a cancer diagnosis of the prostate?

00:29:06.480 I think the scary part, which is the sexual dysfunction and continence, a lot of that has gone away with the world of like expertise and years and years of like number of cases that we've done.

00:29:19.380 And the technique that we have developed in the hands of expert surgeons, robotic prostate surgery, both sexual function and continence works well.

00:29:27.480 Now, you talk about impotence.

00:29:29.780 You know, when he starts taking these hormonal treatment, he's going to have no sex life.

00:29:35.180 He's going to be completely impotent.

00:29:37.320 He's going to have low testosterone and no libido.

00:29:40.720 So certainly doing the surgery when it's contained and saving your life with good outcome and good results in the hands of experts outbeats any of these complications that you're going to have later on in life and very painful experience.

00:29:57.220 Bone metastasis is not easy and treatments are not so good.

00:30:02.320 And that's why I wish him well and I wish we would have had this conversation many years and they would have seeked better treatment.

00:30:11.960 But we really don't know a lot about this case.

00:30:14.600 And so just final, just to close it up, if they did know, if they had received the diagnosis years ago and did not do a surgery but decided to treat it medically, would it have been like a chemotherapy?

00:30:28.920 Would that have been a possibility?

00:30:30.260 Like what are the possibilities in terms of the treatment over the past five years?

00:30:34.320 Yeah.

00:30:34.520 So the Gleason score right now is nine.

00:30:37.100 It's possible that maybe 10, 12 years ago he was diagnosed with a Gleason 6 or Gleason 7.

00:30:42.640 These are low risk to moderate risk prostate cancer.

00:30:45.620 Many doctors, they may say like, you know, it's not very aggressive.

00:30:48.700 You can watch it and we're going to monitor you whether that's the scenario.

00:30:53.000 At that time, you know, he could have had surgery or radiation, which probably he didn't do.

00:30:58.180 And over the years, it turned out to become more and more aggressive.

00:31:02.560 Now, during the COVID time, we know that a lot of people got distracted with COVID.

00:31:07.400 And we saw coming out of COVID a lot of these Gleason 8s, Gleason 9s, high PSAs, because for two to three years, the public didn't go for screening.

00:31:16.380 And then when we came out of COVID, it's like, oh, my God, and that's how you know that screening actually saves lives.

00:31:23.420 And there was an upgrade of the disease and now slowly is going back to what it was normal.

00:31:28.920 That's for the public, not for the president of the United States, not for someone that every time he moves, there's a doctor available.

00:31:36.640 They check his cholesterol, his mental health, his cardiac issues from top to bottom.

00:31:41.480 So to just wake up and say, oh, my God, you know, we have a Gleason 9 with metastases.

00:31:47.820 To me, as someone who's been in the field for 25 years and have dealt with a lot of these aggressive prostate cancers, the story doesn't make any sense.

00:31:57.260 Dr. David Samadhi, thank you so much for your expertise.

00:32:00.520 Great to see you again.

00:32:02.000 Same here.

00:32:02.540 Thank you, Megan.

00:32:03.400 Don't forget, check out his book, Prostate Cancer.

00:32:05.820 Now what?

00:32:06.480 And all you guys out there, get screened.

00:32:09.240 Get screened.

00:32:10.020 You don't need to progress right to this terrible diagnosis and you don't need to have a loss of sexual function.

00:32:16.100 It's scary to, you know, have anything go wrong in that department, but better to get on it early.

00:32:22.040 That's separate and apart from what, you know, whatever we're being told by the Biden office.

00:32:26.740 I'm sorry, but they have earned our distrust.

00:32:30.440 They've earned our distrust.

00:32:31.680 And boy, oh, boy, are we feeling it.

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00:34:03.740 Guys, welcome back.

00:34:05.560 Wow.

00:34:05.680 I haven't heard anybody, any other doctor or expert say what Dr. Samadhi, and he's the real deal.

00:34:14.220 Trust me, I'm not just putting on some random, he's the real, this is the guy you go to if you get a bad diagnosis,

00:34:19.140 say what he just said, which is how would they know this soon into it that it's hormone sensitive?

00:34:28.320 He does not believe that.

00:34:29.660 He says they say it appears to be hormone sensitive.

00:34:32.280 They would not know that until they had started treatments, this hormone therapy, to see whether he's responding to it.

00:34:39.960 That's pretty extraordinary, Rich.

00:34:41.460 That's as close as I think we're going to get to a smoking gun that this statement is not true.

00:34:47.200 Yeah, that was fascinating.

00:34:48.660 Look, there are two options, right?

00:34:50.160 Either medical malpractice where they just let this grow without knowing about it because they didn't do the routine tests that almost everyone would do.

00:34:58.420 And certainly the President of the United States would do, or they knew and were treating it and didn't disclose and lied about it, right?

00:35:06.140 And they deserve zero benefit of the doubt.

00:35:09.380 If they'd been honest about things and what happened hadn't happened, the vast conspiracy, this would be a five-minute footnote on your show, right?

00:35:18.100 We'd say, it's a big story.

00:35:19.920 The former President of the United States has this stage four cancer.

00:35:24.180 We wish him the best and we move on.

00:35:26.420 But it's much bigger than that because obviously there was a conspiracy to hide what we could see, lie about what we could see with our own eyes.

00:35:35.160 So why wouldn't they lie about something that they didn't have to disclose?

00:35:39.560 I think that's a big question hanging over all this.

00:35:42.420 Right, because the implication, Charles, if Dr. Samadhi's right and they must have been trying a treatment prior to this statement, otherwise they wouldn't be able to say it appears to be hormone sensitive, so that the statement is bullshit.

00:35:58.980 That's basically what he's saying.

00:36:00.140 The implication, of course, is that Joe Biden has had cancer for some time, including while he was the sitting President of the United States, and may also have been receiving treatments, including treatments that can cause cognitive decline.

00:36:18.380 This is not to attribute all of his cognitive decline to a medication.

00:36:21.740 It's just yet another relevant factor that the American people would be entitled to know.

00:36:27.460 Is he in full possession of his mental faculties, or is there some medication that's now diminishing them because we've entrusted the nuclear football and potentially the lives of our sons and daughters to this man?

00:36:39.140 So, I mean, the extent of this already we've been calling in a cover-up, it may be far greater than we even understood.

00:36:48.120 Yeah, and cover-up's the right word.

00:36:49.680 And that's what we're in the middle of discovering, and this is, of course, why David Axelrod said what he said, because he wants to stop that process.

00:37:01.780 Now, if this were irrelevant to the political scene, it would be an awful thing, and everyone would just say what we should say nevertheless,

00:37:11.460 which is that this is a terrible development for Joe Biden, and I hope he beats it.

00:37:17.540 But it's not.

00:37:19.260 And if you go back to when John McCain announced his diagnosis, it was true then that had he been elected in 2008, he would have been in a second term when he had cancer.

00:37:29.680 But no one really talked a great deal about it because he hadn't lied about it.

00:37:33.480 But with Biden, this is not a distraction from the Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson book you'll be previewing tomorrow.

00:37:42.840 So, this is related to it.

00:37:46.000 So, we know two things.

00:37:47.660 Obviously, I'm not a doctor, but I just heard one.

00:37:50.080 I've also had a family member who's gone through prostate cancer.

00:37:53.020 We know two things.

00:37:53.940 One is that the transition from not knowing that he had prostate cancer to the description of the cancer that was put out yesterday is just too short, not to raise flags.

00:38:11.360 I mean, prostate cancer, thankfully, is detectable, especially in older men.

00:38:17.300 And we, in America, especially look for it in older men, really relentlessly.

00:38:23.480 It's thankfully not too fast a cancer.

00:38:28.820 There is time.

00:38:30.600 Those PSAs develop over time.

00:38:34.060 You don't start at a Gleason score of nine.

00:38:37.380 And I personally find it quite difficult to imagine that someone with the medical resources that the president of the United States has at his disposal would not have had some signs before it had reached this stage.

00:38:50.700 That's the first thing.

00:38:51.540 And then when you combine that with the fact that they've been lying and lying and lying and going after anyone who has asked questions, I think it's a totally fair topic for public debate.

00:39:02.880 And the lies that they told were not minimal.

00:39:06.980 I mean, for example, one of the things that came out, and I think is in the Tapper and Thompson book, is that Biden's aides had discussed between themselves the possibility that he would have to be in a wheelchair.

00:39:22.340 Yeah.

00:39:22.580 In the second term.

00:39:24.840 They had become fully aware of the fact that he didn't know the names of his cabinet or his friends or even George Clooney, one of the most famous men in the world.

00:39:35.560 These aren't minor deceptions.

00:39:37.840 So it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they hid this.

00:39:42.020 Now, I don't know, obviously, any more than anyone else does, but I think it is totally reasonable for a public that is in the midst of finding out one of the worst political cover-ups in American history to say, okay, and were you lying about that too?

00:39:56.420 And to ask further questions.

00:39:59.220 One of the—and hopefully Tapper and Thompson will forgive me if this is—I'm trying to separate what I've read from the excerpts that have been intentionally released from what I've read and is in my head and is embargoed until tomorrow.

00:40:12.020 But this—I feel like this one's out there.

00:40:13.820 On that front, Rich, they told us that the reason he had like a strange gait and he wasn't walking normally was because he refused to wear his boot from when he had hurt his foot a couple years earlier.

00:40:33.000 He was like this bold, like Kennedy type of athlete who's like, screw the boot.

00:40:38.200 I'm not—you know, I'm out there.

00:40:39.400 I'm the president.

00:40:40.080 So he didn't follow doctor's orders, and that's why he was limping along.

00:40:44.520 And in the book, they report the truth, which is he had degenerative spine issues that were severe that were probably going to put him in a wheelchair soon.

00:40:55.680 And they just wouldn't tell us.

00:40:57.520 They lied.

00:40:58.180 I mean, the point being, they deserve no benefit of the doubt.

00:41:03.200 I'm sorry.

00:41:03.820 I realize this is grave news.

00:41:05.740 Like, Charlie, I hope the president recovers.

00:41:08.880 I realize it doesn't seem very likely, but I don't let my politics—they don't cause me to root for the man's death.

00:41:15.460 But they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this statement.

00:41:19.080 Correct.

00:41:19.600 And it was obvious.

00:41:21.520 We saw it.

00:41:22.900 I literally held my breath every time he walked up and down those Air Force One steps.

00:41:28.580 And eventually, they went to smaller steps, but they're still dangerous for that someone in that condition.

00:41:33.720 I remember I was on the set for my sins of NBC at some point.

00:41:37.620 And off air, I said to a prominent Democrat who's still prominent on MSNBC, I think he could die.

00:41:44.260 I think he could die on the steps of Air Force One.

00:41:46.260 And this person said, yep, you're absolutely right, but never gave any indication on air that this person believed that, right?

00:41:53.180 So all this—I agree with you.

00:41:55.020 The Tapper book is—even if you're annoyed with Jake Tapper, and CNN was part of the cover-up, it's still extremely important.

00:42:01.180 The details are telling.

00:42:02.420 But I would say all this is shocking but not surprising.

00:42:05.500 If you told me a year ago that Democrats lost because either Biden ran again or got out too late, and then you told me that after that, he became the most hated man in the country, and there were all these revelations about stuff that insiders did to cover it up, and things they knew about how really debilitated he was, and that there was a diagnosis of real serious cancer, kind of a snap diagnosis, dropped on us shortly after you left office.

00:42:32.640 I would have said, of course, of course, yeah, all that's happening, and all that is going to happen, and sure enough, it has come to pass.

00:42:39.760 Because it seems, you know, it seems very likely that he knew he had cancer, he was running for re-election, and that they understood they would just pass the baton to Kamala, and she'd be in, in a way that she never could be on her own.

00:42:53.280 Because even Joe Biden, according to the reports, knew she was politically talentless, so this would have been a great way of stopping Orange Man bad, holding on to power, and installing their chosen puppet to take over the reins as president, while getting credit for having the first female woman of color president. 0.97

00:43:12.860 Yay, go Democrats. So that makes perfect sense to me. That sounds exactly like them, as opposed to, we just didn't check a 78- to 82-year-old man's prostate for any of the four years he was president.

00:43:28.940 And whoops, just fell victim to bad luck, Charlie, that he's one of, like, the only men ever to go from zero to metastatic bone cancer in a period of 12 months or less.

00:43:39.980 Yeah, and I think, you know, Rich said there are two options here, and I agree, I've said that myself this morning.

00:43:47.640 But in a sense, they are related, in that if it is the case that in the course of his many medical exams, which I assume, given his history, he's had brain surgery, he's had skin cancer, I believe, he's 82,

00:44:04.560 would have been more intense than, say, my annual checkups, which I still get, and everyone should go and get.

00:44:11.800 If in the course of all of that medical attention that is the president of the United States he was receiving, this was not caught,

00:44:20.700 then it seems unlikely that that was unrelated to the ongoing cover-up, by which I mean that that in and of itself was a choice.

00:44:30.720 Yeah, we don't want to know.

00:44:32.800 Yeah, I have family members who have had this, and they live in England, and the health care that they get is not as good as the average American gets,

00:44:44.800 because the National Health Service is not especially good, and it is certainly not as good as the president of the United States gets.

00:44:52.660 I don't mean this to disparage them, and they're my family, and I love them, but they are not famous.

00:44:57.680 They are not in high-profile jobs.

00:44:59.860 They have had their conditions discovered in the course of the normal annual checkup that you give to men in their 70s and their 80s.

00:45:09.860 So if it was the case that this wasn't found, this genuinely was not found, then I have to conclude that it wasn't looked for,

00:45:19.400 and that this was part of an ongoing attempt to, what's that word, plausible deniability,

00:45:26.300 to give us little information about the state of the president as possible on the understanding that he was not in good shape.

00:45:37.180 Yeah, I don't believe that they just chose not to test because-

00:45:42.720 Right, nor do I.

00:45:43.820 Yeah, it's just, he's too important a person.

00:45:46.360 There's just a human instinct to want to stay alive.

00:45:50.280 I don't know.

00:45:51.340 Jill Biden seems like a ghoul to me, I have to be honest. 0.82

00:45:53.960 Maybe she was behind the scenes like, don't test.

00:45:56.100 It's a need to know, and we don't need to know.

00:45:58.140 But people are pointing out online, Rich, Biden himself, in July of 2022, did say, I have cancer.

00:46:09.620 And it perked up the ears of many of us, like, what?

00:46:14.000 But he was so daffy so often, it was hard to know, like, is this a daffy moment?

00:46:20.580 Or did he just actually slip and tell us something?

00:46:23.600 Blurt it out.

00:46:23.900 Here's the soundbite, July 20, 2022, Sout 3.

00:46:28.400 I just lived up the road.

00:46:30.340 I just, in an apartment complex, we moved to Delaware.

00:46:33.500 And because it was a four-lane highway that was accessible, my mother drove us.

00:46:39.600 And rather than us be able to walk.

00:46:42.320 And guess what?

00:46:43.840 The first frost, you know what was happening?

00:46:47.060 It had to put on their windshield wipers to get literally the oil slick off the window.

00:46:51.180 That's why I and so damn many other people I grew up have cancer.

00:46:55.100 It's really crazy to hear it now.

00:46:59.660 Because, you know, to be honest, he's clear in that phrase.

00:47:04.100 Like, that's why I and so many other people I know have cancer.

00:47:07.120 Like, he did it.

00:47:08.340 He, you know, the pronoun, the comma, the additional clause, picking back up the thought.

00:47:13.180 And actually, a lot of people were commenting on that clip at the time, questioning whether the story itself is true about, like, the frost was so full of oil.

00:47:25.000 Like, what?

00:47:25.600 No, it wasn't.

00:47:26.780 Right.

00:47:26.900 But there was an admission there that's pretty stark in retrospect, no?

00:47:31.280 Well, I mean, it's so hard to tell with him, right?

00:47:34.620 Whether he's making something up, whether he's confused, whether it's just poor syntax, whether it's his natural tendency to exaggerate and put himself in a situation that he's not.

00:47:45.680 Yeah.

00:47:46.020 You know, the worst example of this is-

00:47:47.880 Another distinct possibility.

00:47:49.640 Yeah, meeting with Gold Star families and say, same thing happened to me when it didn't, you know, with Beau.

00:47:56.800 So you just don't know.

00:47:59.560 But he, you know, on the not wanting to know with the, potentially with the PSA test, that is part of the Tapper book, right?

00:48:05.860 That they didn't want to have a cognitive test for understandable reasons because they didn't want to know and didn't want to hide it.

00:48:11.420 But the Hur report, the interview with Hur was, in effect, a cognitive test.

00:48:17.120 When you're forgetting years, all of us get fuzzy on dates, but when you're forgetting really key years in terms of your own life, in terms of losing your treasured son,

00:48:26.180 in terms of this quadrennial cycle that's so important, been important to your whole adult life, right?

00:48:32.440 When elections happen and when people are inaugurated, that's really all you need to know.

00:48:37.900 And the idea he just had a bad day with the debate with Trump and the Hur report and was fine all the rest of the time was always completely crazy.

00:48:48.380 And he may have had better days and worse days.

00:48:51.340 But when you're having a day like that, when you just can't get the years straight, I always thought the killer question someone should ask at a press conference is, how old are you?

00:48:59.820 Because I doubt he knows.

00:49:01.220 And that's one of the key questions a neurologist will ask when they're asking basic things to try to determine whether you might have dementia or not.

00:49:09.560 I don't think he knows the other being who's the president yet that that he knew most of the time.

00:49:17.040 Standby. We're not done with this discussion.

00:49:18.480 We'll get into the Hur report and play some of the soundbites and continue the latest on Joe Biden's office announcing he has metastatic prostate cancer, which is stage four.

00:49:30.500 Next. Don't go away. Rich and Charlie are here for the whole show.

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00:50:29.880 Guys, it's not just Axelrod, but everyone's favorite pundit, Brian Stelter, also has thoughts

00:50:37.620 on how this news should affect our coverage of the ongoing revelations, thanks to this book and others,

00:50:45.160 about the truth on Joe Biden's mental acuity.

00:50:48.520 Sot 6.

00:50:49.480 The timing, Jessica, is just extraordinary.

00:50:51.760 We know from the statement from his personal spokesman that Biden learned the diagnosis on Friday.

00:50:57.400 Well, what was the biggest Biden story on Friday?

00:51:00.020 It was the release of those audio excerpts from his conversations with Robert Herr back in 2023.

00:51:06.220 This was the audio that Axios obtained, almost certainly from the Trump administration, showing memory lapse.

00:51:12.480 And then you have, as you and Paul just acknowledged, this book coming out, one of the biggest political books in several years.

00:51:18.740 And it just so happens two of the best reporters in Washington, Jake Tapper and Alice Thompson, are the authors of it.

00:51:24.340 It's already a bestseller based on the number of pre-orders.

00:51:27.600 And so this book comes out in two days, but some of the excerpts have already come out.

00:51:31.300 And it's reignited this debate in Washington and beyond within the Democratic Party about Biden,

00:51:36.760 about whether he should have run for re-election at all.

00:51:39.240 So it seems to me, Jessica, this debate doesn't end at all, but it is briefly put on pause as a result of today's news.

00:51:46.560 Is it so the debate needs to be put on pause and Axelrod saying it needs to be now more muted and even, quote, set aside, Charlie,

00:51:59.660 the debate about the cover up of the mental acuity because of the cancer diagnosis.

00:52:05.060 And that raises really one of, if not the most interesting question.

00:52:10.420 No, it's not the, but it's one of the top interesting questions.

00:52:13.740 Why did Biden announce this when he did?

00:52:18.620 So, like, let's go down the lane of he's known.

00:52:24.100 They've been dealing with it probably for years, according to Dr. Samadhi.

00:52:28.760 And literally almost every doctor who's weighing in on this, oncologists and prostate doctors.

00:52:34.940 Zeke Emanuel is no right-wing doctor trying to run cover for Biden.

00:52:39.400 He's saying he's had it for 10 years.

00:52:41.300 He's like, trust me, he's had it for 10 years.

00:52:43.900 So let's go down the lane of they knew.

00:52:48.160 Why release it now?

00:52:49.860 Why release it last night on a Sunday in the midst of, well, Saturday's report, releasing the Her Audio and two days before the Tapper Thompson book comes out?

00:53:04.260 Because there's a lot of possibilities.

00:53:06.340 You know, a couple would be to make them look stupid, Tapper and Thompson.

00:53:13.300 You didn't get it.

00:53:14.780 You think you got your big scoop?

00:53:16.200 You didn't even find out I had cancer.

00:53:18.460 We've been hiding it for five years or whatever, right?

00:53:20.300 That's a possibility.

00:53:21.900 Another is, forgive me, but it's like the Alex Murdoch theory.

00:53:27.860 That guy down in South Carolina, that lunatic prosecutor who his son had a boat accident and he was stealing from his firm and the shit was going to hit the fan.

00:53:36.720 And instead of just, like, owning up to, I've been stealing and embezzling from my company.

00:53:40.840 And the prosecution theory was he shot his kid and his wife to death to engender sympathy, to totally change the narrative around him, to engender sympathy.

00:53:52.740 And this obviously is not that same thing, but I'm just saying, is this a move to, like, engender sympathy and get us talking about poor Joe Biden?

00:54:00.820 I'm so sad as opposed to I'm so mad at what he did.

00:54:05.880 Anyway, your theory on why now?

00:54:07.460 You know, every time I hear Brian Stelter, I always think that the Beatles would have been thrilled to have fans as hysterical as he is when any journalists are involved.

00:54:19.520 He loves the press so much.

00:54:21.540 And every time the press gets worse, Stelter loves them more.

00:54:25.520 It's revolting.

00:54:27.400 So what he's doing there, of course, is trying to inoculate the press against any criticism, which is what he exists to do.

00:54:34.120 I mean, if they knew, then the most likely cynical explanation for the timing is going to be sympathy.

00:54:46.180 It's going to be to make people who are talking about this look mean.

00:54:49.820 We are going to, whether it was intentional or not, see a great deal of that over the next week.

00:54:54.660 Anyone who says, as I have, that it would be ridiculous to stop talking about the issue of Joe Biden's many health problems that were covered up purely because we have learned about another health problem we didn't know about is going to be told that we are partisan or that we lack human emotional dignity or sensitivity and so on.

00:55:20.240 And, of course, that isn't true, but it will be effective with some people.

00:55:25.440 And so it will be tried.

00:55:26.940 That, I think, is also what David Axelrod was doing.

00:55:30.400 Now, whether or not that is deliberate on the part of Joe Biden, I don't know.

00:55:35.800 I suspect that what explains the timing as much as anything else is that the cancer is really bad.

00:55:41.700 I mean, it's a horrible, horrible report.

00:55:43.960 It is a horrible piece of news.

00:55:45.460 And if you read between the lines of the press release, it doesn't say that the treatment will be effective.

00:55:53.780 It says that they are going to try.

00:55:57.300 It's pretty grave.

00:55:59.840 And I suspect that you would want to get ahead of that if you would a diagnosis about you.

00:56:05.860 Yeah, just so that people understand that the statement reads, last week, President Biden was seen for a new finding of a prostate nodule after experiencing increasing urinary symptoms.

00:56:17.580 On Friday, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer characterized by a Gleason score of nine grade group five with metastasis to the bone.

00:56:24.540 While this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management.

00:56:32.400 The president and his family are reviewing treatment options with his physicians.

00:56:36.680 Correct.

00:56:37.140 There's no like sunny.

00:56:38.620 That's the word though, management.

00:56:39.840 Management, yeah.

00:56:40.880 And that's because management also means, for example, hospice care.

00:56:44.700 I'm not saying that's what is going to happen, but it covers.

00:56:47.880 Yeah, it can mean a lot.

00:56:48.720 Almost every possible eventuality.

00:56:51.360 And so it did occur to me that maybe this is why they announced it is because before too long, it will leak or it will become obvious that something serious is wrong.

00:57:01.020 That's not impossible, Rich, but I'm much more of a cynical mofo than Charlie.

00:57:06.540 I don't know.

00:57:07.140 How did I wind up more cynical than the guy who was raised in Great Britain?

00:57:11.140 Anyway, there's no it's too coincidental.

00:57:15.980 Like there's been a barrage of these books, but this one's getting tons and tons of attention because Tapper's associated with it.

00:57:22.320 And that generates a whole different level of controversy and attention.

00:57:26.140 And it's hitting tomorrow.

00:57:29.100 I mean, it's going to be as of midnight tonight.

00:57:30.940 It'll be out there for everybody.

00:57:31.880 And I'm telling you, like having read it now, I disagree with the people who are saying there's no news in it.

00:57:36.180 There is a lot of news.

00:57:37.320 And hopefully we'll be going through those line items tomorrow.

00:57:40.760 I actually just texted him asking if he could stay longer because there's so much that I want to discuss about what's in there.

00:57:48.840 So that's about to hit.

00:57:50.340 And the Biden team, I'm sure, almost certainly they've seen it.

00:57:54.620 And it comes on the heels of the release of the her tapes, which we're about to discuss, which are terrible.

00:57:59.520 There's no way that's a coincidence.

00:58:00.840 Yeah, if we don't know what happened here, but if you're a damage control specialist and the Biden family comes to you, how can we step on this book?

00:58:12.300 What would you recommend?

00:58:13.380 Right.

00:58:13.620 If you had this diagnosis in your back pocket, so to speak, I don't want to want to be seem seem crass about it.

00:58:19.720 But you'd release it on Sunday, right, to step on a Tuesday release.

00:58:24.320 That would be the exact ideal timing to try to create a counter narrative.

00:58:31.340 So, again, can't say with certainty that's what happened.

00:58:34.640 But if it did, that's how you exactly how you play it, which is going to naturally build more.

00:58:40.640 A quick follow up on it, Rich.

00:58:41.960 Yeah.

00:58:42.160 Everybody sitting here right now, the three of us and the audience, too, frankly, knows Joe Biden is, forgive me, he's a, I'm picking between different words that begin with D.

00:58:56.620 He's a jerk.

00:58:58.520 He's petty.

00:58:59.900 He's vindictive.

00:59:01.740 He's nasty.

00:59:03.500 And I don't put it past him for one second to try to hurt these guys.

00:59:09.440 Like, F you, it's like there's a personal satisfaction in trying to undermine them or make them look stupid.

00:59:16.780 Back to theory number one, which is, is he basically just trying to show, like, they don't have shit.

00:59:21.820 Like, they don't know anything.

00:59:22.600 They didn't even get the fact that I have damn cancer and I'm heading off to, you know, stage four metastasis land.

00:59:28.700 I don't I just feel like you can't underestimate this man's bad character.

00:59:33.320 Yeah.

00:59:33.520 So I would think it'd be more sympathy play, but to the point of character, that's behind all of this, right?

00:59:40.060 And in Biden's defense, a lot of times, high level politicians, they just lie about their health.

00:59:45.180 They do.

00:59:45.660 You know, Wilson did it.

00:59:47.440 FDR and people around FDR did it.

00:59:49.820 JFK did it.

00:59:50.720 Paul Songus, who is a Democratic senator from Massachusetts, who had a pretty good run in the 1992 primaries against Bill Clinton.

00:59:57.560 And some people thought he'd win at some point, lied about his cancer.

01:00:00.840 He was it was he had a recurrence during the right before the New York primary was diagnosed and he was dead three years later.

01:00:06.520 They just lie.

01:00:07.920 So I think Biden easily fell into that.

01:00:11.180 And it was very hard for him also to let go this presidency that he's grasped for his entire life.

01:00:16.380 So if you just think of recent presidents, I don't think either the Bushes, whatever else you think of them, would have lied about their health or not made the decision if they really would have had the self-awareness to realize if they were in Biden's state.

01:00:28.120 I got to go for the good of my party in my country.

01:00:30.900 Jimmy Carter wouldn't have lied about this.

01:00:33.300 But Joe Biden, yes, he he he would.

01:00:36.480 And I don't put anything past him.

01:00:39.060 And look, he suffered terrible things in his life.

01:00:42.220 We all should acknowledge that, should admire his perseverance.

01:00:46.560 But he was made into a saint just because he was running against Donald Trump.

01:00:50.580 And he was never that.

01:00:53.180 And one reason I was very bullish on Trump's chances in 2024 before the polling really showed it is I just had a deep sense that no matter what, Joe Biden was going to F it up because he's an F up.

01:01:05.340 Now, he won in 2020, pass off to him for that.

01:01:08.520 But I just knew in my bones he was going to F it up.

01:01:11.560 And he did it royally.

01:01:14.200 It's interesting to me that you had it wasn't like a title wave of Democrats coming out in the Sunday shows, Charles, and saying, I feel lied to.

01:01:21.840 So but that is one of the themes of the that's one of the more absurd themes of the Tapper Thompson book, which is like these Democrats and White House aides like shocked, shocked.

01:01:33.140 I'm so upset.

01:01:34.500 I feel like like, oh, my God.

01:01:36.740 OK, sure.

01:01:37.800 Sure, Jan.

01:01:38.760 But you're also getting some who are being a little bit more critical on camera.

01:01:44.880 And I'll just give you one example.

01:01:46.480 Chris Murphy of Connecticut was on Meet the Press yesterday with this message, Sot16.

01:01:52.920 Obviously, in retrospect, the president should have gotten out of the race earlier.

01:01:57.320 There's no doubt that the Democratic Party would have been better served by having the ability to have an open primary.

01:02:05.720 Kamala Harris probably would have done very well in that process. 1.00

01:02:08.840 But in retrospect, we lost.

01:02:10.860 And so I hope you can defend the way in which our politics played out.

01:02:15.120 I mean, listen, what I've said is that, you know, like anybody who reaches that stage in their life, you know, there is some level of diminishment.

01:02:22.920 But I got to work with the president pretty closely in 2022 and 2023.

01:02:26.940 And I saw a president who was passing legislation and helping the American people at a pretty unprecedented rate.

01:02:32.820 That being said, by 2024, the American people had decided that they wanted somebody new.

01:02:38.660 They wanted somebody younger.

01:02:39.920 And it was a mistake.

01:02:40.660 It was a mistake for Democrats to not listen to the voters earlier.

01:02:47.480 It's a softening.

01:02:48.740 You have to listen for it because they're all so slimy.

01:02:51.520 But it's a softening on Joe Biden.

01:02:53.120 Going a little further.

01:02:54.620 Yeah.

01:02:54.880 Well, it's a softening that nevertheless manages to stay perfectly within his frame of reference, which is what's good for the Democratic Party.

01:03:03.200 So he is saying that once again, that the Democrats suffered from Biden not stepping out of the race, which is why he pretended Biden was fine two years ago, because he didn't want to hurt the Democrats.

01:03:16.500 All that has changed there is his self-serving calculation.

01:03:20.020 And I don't believe him.

01:03:21.100 I don't believe him.

01:03:22.460 I don't believe any of the other Democrats who are close enough to Biden to know.

01:03:26.460 I don't believe the vast majority of journalists who operate in Washington, D.C., including your guest tomorrow, Jake Tapper.

01:03:32.160 I think that they're full of it.

01:03:34.220 I live on a beach in Florida.

01:03:36.560 I know almost nobody in Washington, D.C.

01:03:38.640 I know nobody in the Biden family.

01:03:40.680 Shockingly, I was never invited to his White House or anywhere near it.

01:03:43.420 And I could see as early as 2022 what was going on with my own eyes.

01:03:47.840 You know, there's another person in America who got this right.

01:03:50.560 It was a super majority of the population who managed to look and see from afar, whether it be on television screens or on YouTube or what you will, and could detect that Joe Biden was not only sick in some way and unable to do the job, but was going to die soon.

01:04:11.940 That is not hyperbole.

01:04:13.780 That is literally what the polls showed, that a majority of Americans thought that if Joe Biden was reelected to a second term, he would die during it.

01:04:21.580 They didn't have sources to lie to them.

01:04:24.060 They didn't have friends who covered it up or used euphemisms when they should have been plain spoken.

01:04:31.360 They understood it because they're human beings and they have above average intelligence.

01:04:35.380 So I just do not believe it.

01:04:38.100 If I could see it, if people who have nothing whatsoever to do with politics could see it, then so could those who are heavily involved.

01:04:45.600 But they didn't do that, Megan.

01:04:47.080 They didn't see it and announce it.

01:04:49.220 What they did was attack the people who saw it, accuse them of falling for cheap fakes, say that it was insulting to the elderly and might cost them with older voters during the election, and be ruthlessly dishonest to the point at which we are now sitting on your show and discussing, I think, absolutely reasonably whether or not Joe Biden covered up a cancer diagnosis.

01:05:11.620 So, no, I don't believe Chris Murphy, I think it is telling that the only thing that he can really say there is that it would have been better for the Democrats if they had made a different call, because that's what this was about.

01:05:22.120 They would have been perfectly happy for Joe Biden to win re-election, having refused to divulge any of his infirmities to the public, and then die from a wheelchair, if needs be, so that the Democratic vice president could take over.

01:05:38.260 But that is all they cared about, and they got punished for it, and they deserve to be punished for it.

01:05:42.700 But their mea culpas will fall on deaf ears with me, because I just don't believe them.

01:05:47.180 Yeah, now they're trying to stop coverage of the cover-up with the statements from Axelrod and Stelter, and it's a no.

01:05:55.920 I have to say, it's not just them.

01:05:58.080 Even last night, I really love Piers Morgan, but he said online, I'm going to block anyone I see, and there's already a lot of vile crap flying around, mocking,

01:06:07.960 celebrating, or playing partisan politics with Joe Biden's health news.

01:06:11.620 The man has served his country for 50 years and is fighting for his life.

01:06:14.340 Show some bloody respect.

01:06:16.020 Then you had Meghan McCain say, I don't know if it's just my bias or background, but I don't want to hear anything else about Biden's health cover-up, tell-alls, interviews with staff, etc.

01:06:25.600 Let the Biden family be in peace right now.

01:06:27.340 This is all just so sad and imprudent.

01:06:29.240 I completely disagree, wholeheartedly disagree with both of those.

01:06:33.260 It's all part of the same story.

01:06:35.680 They will deal with their private tragedy, and they'll deal with it privately, but he is the president of the United States, or was the president of the United States, and this is very much our business, very much our business, Rich, especially if we were lied to.

01:06:53.560 Yeah, and this of all weeks, we're going to put it all aside right now, right when the book is being released?

01:06:59.760 Come on, and to Charlie's point, it wasn't just evident in 2022.

01:07:03.980 It was evident in 2019 when Joe Biden actually had to stand up with fellow Democrats and debate them at night.

01:07:10.980 He was kind of okay, but he was also alarmingly bad and incoherent at times.

01:07:16.680 And one of his fellow candidates, Julian Castro, pointed it out, took a couple shots at his memory.

01:07:23.760 Then he was very quickly kind of left the stage, never to be heard of again.

01:07:28.740 But this hasn't been a mystery for five or six years.

01:07:32.620 You could just see it in front of your eyes, and it was a conspiracy against the American public and the public interest.

01:07:40.560 Because this handover of Joe Biden, when he was going to be in a wheelchair in his second term, and he was going to die of natural causes, no one would want to see that, or just give up.

01:07:51.460 It would not have been clean.

01:07:52.720 It would have been traumatic.

01:07:54.040 It would have been messy.

01:07:55.120 It would have involved probably a constitutional crisis in some form or another, and involved someone who, yes, she would have been on the ticket and won, but wouldn't have been elected president of the United States becoming president.

01:08:06.240 This was all terrible.

01:08:08.220 And he wasn't suited to be president in that first term, right?

01:08:11.840 We danced through the raindrops.

01:08:13.880 It was a terrible presidency, but there was no crisis over the Taiwan strikes or something that he just wasn't up to handling it because he wasn't up to anything anymore.

01:08:22.760 But this is one of the biggest scandals of our time.

01:08:26.980 And just because we have sympathy for Joe Biden, just because we wish the best for him and his family, we want him to have the—he can't fully recover from this, but have the best health outcome he can, doesn't mean we need to stop the conversation that we're just beginning to have.

01:08:45.040 They have in this book, unnamed, but cabinet secretaries weighing in on whether Joe Biden was capable of handling the 2 a.m. phone call.

01:08:56.820 We'll get to that tomorrow.

01:08:58.080 The Herr interview is back in the news now because Axios, that's where Alex Thompson is working, released the tapes.

01:09:09.480 Excerpts first on Friday, I think it was, and then the full tapes came on Saturday, of Joe Biden interviewing with special counsel Robert Herr,

01:09:16.700 who was investigating Biden's retention of classified documents from his time as a U.S. senator and his time as vice president,

01:09:24.840 and was very much looking into potential criminal charges against him, same as they brought against Trump for withholding some classified documents post-presidency.

01:09:33.840 And the Herr report eventually concluded that he would not bring charges against Biden, even though he had him.

01:09:39.340 He had him dead to rights on retaining the classified information because he was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

01:09:46.340 Or that's what Herr believed a jury would conclude, and thus it would make this a difficult case to convict.

01:09:54.000 So he moved on.

01:09:55.200 So he, rather than releasing the tapes, Herr, he released a statement describing why, what his conclusions were.

01:10:02.000 I think he did it, basically, but I'm not going to charge him, and here's why.

01:10:05.600 And the left had an absolute meltdown.

01:10:08.020 And to look back on their meltdowns now that we've heard the audio, I mean, we heard some of the transcript.

01:10:13.100 We'd been given some of the transcript from Republicans who got it.

01:10:16.760 Right at the time.

01:10:18.120 But now hearing it ourselves is something else.

01:10:20.380 And so you look back now on the Democrat reaction.

01:10:23.060 Now having heard the Biden tapes and how he sounded, which I'll play for you.

01:10:27.320 And they look so foolish.

01:10:30.580 They look, I mean, I know it's true, but just like such partisan hacks.

01:10:35.680 The hackery is just in your throat.

01:10:38.200 And it's inescapable.

01:10:40.720 So those people, I guarantee this week, are going to go with the, let's be respectful.

01:10:47.120 Now's not the time.

01:10:49.020 Because they're in the wake of a different kind of crisis, right?

01:10:51.340 It's like the Biden staff and his aides.

01:10:54.140 And yes, top Democrats are in the crosshairs in this book.

01:10:57.900 But all the people who ran cover after yet another one of the big clues we had that Biden

01:11:03.400 was infirm, the Hur report, look completely foolish.

01:11:07.600 They look absolutely absurd.

01:11:09.240 And so let's get into the Hur interview.

01:11:10.580 All right, um, Biden sat down with Hur and one of the things, uh, that was brought up

01:11:19.340 was his son, Beau, and when Beau died.

01:11:23.420 And Robert Hur came out after and said he couldn't remember when Beau died.

01:11:27.140 And this is one of the reasons why he's, I concluded he has a poor memory.

01:11:31.720 Um, after the, her report was released, Biden came out in a very rare, I think it might've

01:11:39.160 been a one time evening press conference to attack the report.

01:11:43.000 I'm going to do this in reverse order and accused her of bringing up the issue of his

01:11:49.380 son indignant.

01:11:50.820 Like, well, how could you do that to a suffering father?

01:11:52.620 Here was Biden on February 8th, 2024 in SOT 12.

01:11:59.740 In addition, I know there's some attention paid to some language and report about my recollection

01:12:05.380 of events.

01:12:05.960 There's even reference that I don't remember when my son died.

01:12:12.680 How in the hell dare he raise that?

01:12:15.900 Frankly, when I was asked the question, I thought to myself, it wasn't any other damn

01:12:19.780 business.

01:12:21.620 Let me tell you something.

01:12:24.100 Some of you have commented, I wear since the day he died, every single day, the rosary he

01:12:28.940 got from our lady of, every Memorial day, we hold a service, remembering him attending

01:12:37.080 my friends and family and the people who loved him.

01:12:40.460 I don't need anyone.

01:12:41.980 I don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away or passed away.

01:12:46.780 Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working for?

01:12:58.940 Well, I don't know.

01:13:09.960 This is what, 2017, 18, that period?

01:13:15.180 Yes, sir.

01:13:15.540 Remember, in this time frame, my son has either been deployed or is dying.

01:13:25.620 And, uh, and so it was, uh, and by the way, there were still a lot of people at the time

01:13:39.840 when I got out of the Senate that were encouraging me to run in this period.

01:13:48.560 I hadn't walked away from the idea that I might run for office again, but if I ran again, I'd

01:13:54.580 be running for president.

01:13:56.620 And, uh, and so what was happening, though, once Bo died, uh, God, May 30th, uh, 2015,

01:14:09.860 he had died.

01:14:11.260 May 2015.

01:14:12.580 I think it was 2015.

01:14:14.120 I'm not sure the month, I think it was.

01:14:15.960 Yeah.

01:14:16.900 That's right, Mr. President.

01:14:18.560 It's unbelievable, Charlie.

01:14:22.200 Yeah.

01:14:23.540 It should end forever, the public reputation of Kamala Harris, that when Robert Hurt published

01:14:31.180 his report, she came out and made the statement that she did in that.

01:14:35.140 We have that.

01:14:35.740 Let me just play it and then I'll, I'll let you pick it up.

01:14:37.940 Here she is.

01:14:40.400 I have been privileged and proud to serve as vice president of the United States with Joe

01:14:46.200 Biden as president of the United States.

01:14:47.600 Yeah, I see.

01:14:48.880 And what I saw that report last night, I believe is, as a former prosecutor, the comments that

01:15:01.820 were made by that prosecutor, gratuitous, inaccurate, and inappropriate.

01:15:07.440 So the way that the president's demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong

01:15:16.880 on the facts and clearly politically motivated, gratuitous.

01:15:23.480 And so I will say that when it comes to the role and responsibility of a prosecutor in a situation like that, we should expect that there would be a higher level of integrity than what we saw.

01:15:39.720 Go ahead, Charlie.

01:15:42.440 Well, I certainly agree that we should have a higher level of integrity.

01:15:46.220 I just don't think that Robert Hurt was guilty of violating that standard.

01:15:49.700 I mean, that is pathological lying.

01:15:51.740 And anyone who hears a single word that comes out of Kamala Harris's mouth from here on in should know that she is capable of that sort of performance in the pursuit of whatever she wants to achieve that day.

01:16:02.960 That is just extraordinary. It was extraordinary at the time, if anything, Robert Hurt downplayed it out of respect and probably because he understood that his role was not to end the presidency of Joe Biden, which he could have done if he had decided to sacrifice himself, smuggled the tapes out and released them to the press.

01:16:21.540 That would have been it for Joe Biden.

01:16:23.560 But he didn't do that.

01:16:24.900 He wrote a fairly kind report which stayed within the bounds of the remit that he had been given.

01:16:31.460 I mean, Joe Biden is as bad as Harris in the first clip you played.

01:16:41.940 He is trying to find a way to escape the fact that he is unfit for office and he is doing it with mawkish bullying.

01:16:51.440 And I don't feel thrilled about having to talk about this, Megan, because it must be terrible to lose a son.

01:16:58.200 But what he is doing there, which I'm afraid he did quite a lot in his presidency, is using the memory of his son and the real hurt that his son's death created to get himself out of a political jam.

01:17:12.700 And I would not be doing my job if I gave in to the attempt over and over and over again, Biden inappropriately talked about Bo's death.

01:17:26.320 And he did so there and in the process, he slimed and slandered Robert Herr and tried to make her look like some sort of dishonest, partisan, motivated hack.

01:17:40.940 And really what had happened was that Joe Biden had been put in front of a tape recorder with no one there to edit his words or twist the circumstances or cover for his inadequacies.

01:17:58.080 And he had given another person irrefutable evidence of his infirmity.

01:18:05.340 And let's not pretend that what is on that tape, I listened to a lot of it over the weekend.

01:18:12.180 Let's not pretend that what is on that tape was not echoed in cabinet meetings, in one on ones with senators and others.

01:18:22.220 I was told off the record by a senator in about 2023 that Biden's performances in some military meetings that he was obliged to have were alarming.

01:18:38.240 I mean, this was not a unique event.

01:18:40.860 So it's scary, but what is just as scary, I think, is the confidence and the indignation with which both Biden and Harris and many of their acolytes in the press and the Democratic Party tried to bury it and cast it as a lie when it was anything but.

01:18:59.320 It's a disgrace.

01:19:00.520 It's a scandal.

01:19:02.240 It's a massive chapter in American history that should not be forgotten or bullied away.

01:19:08.180 Mm-hmm.

01:19:09.520 And here's another example of it, Rich, where Adam Schiff, who was one of the main villains in the wake of her report, went after her, who testified before Congress on all of this on March 12th, 2024, SOP 15.

01:19:24.460 You don't gratuitously do things to prejudice the subject of an investigation when you're declining to prosecute.

01:19:32.140 You don't gratuitously add language that you know will be useful in a political campaign.

01:19:37.320 You were not born yesterday.

01:19:39.400 You understood exactly what you were doing.

01:19:42.640 It was a choice.

01:19:44.200 You certainly didn't have to include that language.

01:19:46.700 You could have said vis-a-vis the documents that were found at the university.

01:19:49.940 The president did not recall.

01:19:51.680 There is nothing more common.

01:19:53.140 You know this.

01:19:53.920 I know this.

01:19:54.960 There is nothing more common with a witness of any age when asked about events that are years old to say, I do not recall.

01:20:01.660 Congressman, what you are suggesting is that I shape, sanitize, omit portions of my reasoning and explanation to the attorney general for political reasons.

01:20:11.720 No, I suggest that you not shape your report for political reasons, which is what you did.

01:20:15.780 That did not happen, Congressman.

01:20:17.260 That did not happen.

01:20:18.080 And just to close it out, here's a couple more examples of how Biden sounded in there.

01:20:25.600 Let's just do this one.

01:20:26.840 Sot 8 on him not being able to remember when he was vice president.

01:20:33.700 Trump gets elected in November of 2017.

01:20:37.860 2016.

01:20:38.480 2016.

01:20:39.260 2016.

01:20:40.560 All right.

01:20:41.360 Unbelievable.

01:20:41.680 So.

01:20:45.980 Why do I have 2017 here?

01:20:48.080 That's when you left office in January of 2017.

01:20:51.200 Okay.

01:20:51.580 Okay.

01:20:54.880 But that's when Trump gets sworn in.

01:20:57.860 Right.

01:20:58.420 Right.

01:20:58.680 Correct.

01:20:58.980 Okay.

01:20:59.260 Yeah.

01:21:00.900 And in 2017, Bo had passed and this is personal.

01:21:18.080 The genesis of the book and the title, Promise Me Dad, was a, I know you're all close with your sons and daughters, but Bo was like my right arm and that was my left.

01:21:42.160 And these guys were a year and a year and a year and a day apart and they could finish each other sentences.

01:21:47.960 And Bo, I used to go home on the train in the period that I was still in the Senate.

01:22:06.900 But anyway, my God, Rich.

01:22:13.900 Yeah.

01:22:15.000 It's so maddening.

01:22:16.320 It's so symptomatic of the whole story because the guy who was doing his job and doing it with integrity was slimed and lied about.

01:22:25.020 And part of the point of lying about him is that he couldn't respond, right, in the congressional hearing he did.

01:22:30.620 But otherwise, he's mute as the prosecutor.

01:22:33.860 And if you read the transcript or listen to the tapes, he described Biden as a well-meaning old man.

01:22:38.660 Well, certainly, her was a well-meaning prosecutor. 0.69

01:22:41.140 This isn't a killer, as Donald Trump often puts it.

01:22:44.100 He wasn't a shark.

01:22:45.620 He wasn't trying to nail Joe Biden to the wall.

01:22:48.480 He was gently trying to elicit this information from a meandering old man who couldn't come back to the point very often or remember basic dates.

01:22:58.560 And it's her who's often saying, well, why don't we take a break, Mr. President?

01:23:03.040 So he's not trying to nail him to the wall at all.

01:23:07.000 And it's really a public service to have this audio out belatedly because a transcript, transcripts very often don't entirely do justice to a video or an audio recording.

01:23:17.340 But this transcript is miles away from what the audio portrays, right?

01:23:23.020 Because you can't get the length of the pauses in the transcripts.

01:23:27.020 You can't get how painful it is to listen as that grandfather clock is tick, tock, tick, tock.

01:23:34.120 And he's saying nothing.

01:23:35.200 And then he comes back with a whispery voice.

01:23:36.880 And he's bringing up Bo, right?

01:23:38.740 Her's not bringing up Bo.

01:23:40.300 And then very often, he can't complete his thoughts.

01:23:42.700 So he just says, anyway, and stops.

01:23:45.180 So this is the performance of a man who, yes, if you got him in the jury box, probably no one would prosecute him because he'd clearly be out of it.

01:23:54.700 But a guy who is not suited to be president of the United States.

01:23:58.300 And we just had a glimpse of the truth via that, her report.

01:24:02.340 They couldn't handle it and did everything they could to lie and smear him.

01:24:05.900 The amazing part, too, is that, you know, you're getting the gist of all this.

01:24:11.420 But he does testify that he thinks he wanted to keep one of these classified documents, a 2009 memo on what's happening in Afghanistan, quote, for posterity's sake.

01:24:22.860 Yeah.

01:24:23.460 I mean, really, what he means is like as a tchotchke, which is exactly what Trump got prosecuted for, Rich.

01:24:28.820 Mm hmm. Yeah. And Bob Bear, his lawyer, had to occasionally pop in and said, sir, I'm just reminding you can't remember.

01:24:36.440 Remember, you can't remember. Don't say anything except for you don't know.

01:24:39.620 Oh, it was the worst speaking objection.

01:24:41.640 We call him speaking objections in the law where it's like he interjects and he's like, I just want to be clear.

01:24:47.240 He said he couldn't remember.

01:24:48.820 And then he said he guesses it was for posterity's sake.

01:24:51.900 And I want to be really clear that, like, we're not going to guess what the real answer was.

01:24:55.880 I don't remember. I was like, it was ridiculous, a ridiculous speaking objection by Bob Bauer.

01:25:01.120 I'll just play one more of Biden struggling to remember and, you know, ask the audience whether it was just gratuitous for Robert Hurd to say he had a poor memory.

01:25:11.400 And this is one of the reasons why I don't think I can prosecute him on the retention of documents.

01:25:16.000 Here he is in Sot 9.

01:25:18.220 Do you have any idea where this material would have been before it got moved into the garage?

01:25:23.960 Well, if it was 2013, when did I stop being vice president?

01:25:33.380 2013.

01:25:34.560 So I was vice president.

01:25:36.300 I don't know.

01:25:37.940 My problem was I never knew where any of the documents or boxes were specifically coming from or who packed them.

01:25:45.180 It's just that I'd get them delivered to me.

01:25:48.520 And so this is I'm at this stage in 2009.

01:25:57.100 Am I still vice president?

01:25:59.840 That's twice, twice, Charlie.

01:26:02.940 He could not remember when he was the sitting vice president.

01:26:06.200 And this is as as the sitting president.

01:26:09.540 It's astonishing.

01:26:13.640 And I suspect that if this were the other way around and the prosecutor had been a Democrat and the president had been a Republican, that prosecutor would have been a whistleblower, would have released the information, been turned into a resistance hero and then got a nice gig on CNN.

01:26:33.100 That Robert Herr not only didn't do that when he must have been personally horrified and alarmed by what he saw, but downplayed very kindly the report of what he had seen in his written documentation.

01:26:51.700 Essentially limited it to the question he was being asked, which is should you prosecute him or not, is admirable.

01:26:59.160 And I think it must have been just on a personal level, really terrible for her because he knew this thing that the public suspected but didn't know with evidence and didn't know in the scope that he knew it.

01:27:15.120 Not only was he unable to say it, but he's then brought in front of Congress and all these people on live television are telling him that he's a liar and a chancer and an opportunist when he's been precisely the opposite.

01:27:32.460 So I think, you know, really people have started asking when does Robert Herr get his apology as a meme?

01:27:40.240 You know, it's a phrase we bandy about in the language, but I think it should be taken literally.

01:27:48.140 I think there are a hundred people in our politics and our media who genuinely owe Robert Herr an apology, who should stand in front of a television camera and say,

01:27:58.680 I am sorry for what I said about this professional who behaved with dignity and honor because the Joe Biden that you hear there sounds like he is in a nursing home.

01:28:12.620 It sounds to me like some of those recordings that you sometimes hear of someone who say survived the Titanic.

01:28:19.700 Yes.

01:28:20.480 And they've been caught just before they die by an enterprising reporter or biographer who has said, hang on a minute, we're running out of people to interview about this.

01:28:31.040 Let's let's go and put a tape recorder in front of this 93 year old woman who got out in 1912 when the boat sank.

01:28:38.760 It does not sound like somebody who should be in charge of the largest and most important military in the world.

01:28:46.820 Yeah.

01:28:47.160 And the clock, the clock just adds to that feeling.

01:28:50.040 You can just see the lobby of the retirement home where they're sitting.

01:28:54.340 So now I wasn't I wasn't in a place.

01:28:55.820 But now I got to play the one where he's he's waxing poetic about his archery success in Mongolia.

01:29:01.660 I went to Mongolia and in great pictures, I unfortunately embarrassed the hell out of the leader of Mongolia.

01:29:13.800 They were doing what they would do at the time of the invasion of the Mongols into Europe in the 1400s and the 800s.

01:29:26.340 And so we're out in the middle of nowhere and they're looking up on the hill and you see this tiny line.

01:29:30.600 And, you know, it's a 20 mile horse race with all these kids under the age of 16 on a bareback racing to come down.

01:29:38.280 And, you know, there's sumo wrestlers doing everything they do.

01:29:41.700 What?

01:29:42.580 And so they walked over and they had a target big bail said, hey, 100 yards away.

01:29:48.740 And these gorillas were, you know, taking shots. 1.00

01:29:52.940 And I think, I don't know if it's embarrassed me or to make a point, but they handed the bow and arrow.

01:29:58.920 Well, I'm not a bad archer, but all I found that work, I can pull it back.

01:30:05.100 So I, and pure luck, I hit the goddamn target.

01:30:09.640 No, I really did.

01:30:11.100 Bales of hay, there were like 20 bales of hay with a big target in the middle of a bale.

01:30:16.560 And so I didn't mean anything, but I turned a primar's hand at the hand before some bitch couldn't pull it back. 1.00

01:30:25.320 Oh my God.

01:30:28.480 It had it all.

01:30:29.140 So good.

01:30:29.800 Gorillas, bales of hay and mongols and sumo wrestlers and the prime minister and he's the perfect shot.

01:30:36.840 And I mean, haven't we all been seated next to that person at like a wedding or like, okay, so I guess he did shoot a bow and arrow.

01:30:47.780 You've been seated next to that person.

01:30:49.320 Haven't you like a wedding or something where they're like, oh.

01:30:51.180 It's kind of fun, right?

01:30:52.160 It's kind of, kind of fun.

01:30:53.220 You can take an hour and a half of that, right?

01:30:55.020 You wouldn't want to be around that person all the time.

01:30:57.580 But of course he's going to make the shot perfectly, right?

01:31:00.080 He's going to out-mongol, mongol warriors with his archery. 1.00

01:31:06.200 You know, another thing I loved about Biden, he'd oftentimes, you know, he's this 80-year-old guy, like with legs like toothpicks and could fall down at any moment if he goes over the wrong rug, like challenging people to fight, you know?

01:31:19.960 Right.

01:31:20.560 Like the Time Magazine interviewer, I don't know who this interviewer was, but I assume he could have taken Biden in a fight.

01:31:29.760 But at the end of the interview, Biden took umbrage at something this guy had asked.

01:31:33.800 He's like, you want to take this outside, man?

01:31:36.700 Well, he nearly did.

01:31:38.400 In the clip you played of him talking about Robert Herr and saying that he shouldn't have asked about Bo, which he didn't, he almost said it.

01:31:45.920 You could see he was gearing up to say, like, you know, I was going to fight him or I thought that I should have fought him or hit him or something.

01:31:54.000 And then, because I've heard Biden speak so many times and he did all of the preparatory work and then he looked out at the audience and thought maybe it wouldn't be a good idea.

01:32:01.760 So instead he just said it was inappropriate.

01:32:03.980 But what you heard there, Megan, is Biden on autopilot, right?

01:32:07.900 That's what people of a certain age, especially if they have issues with dementia, do is they go on to autopilot into the stories that they've told for years, many of which might not be true or have been embellished and increased over time.

01:32:23.160 And they can do that. Those are deeply sunk into their minds.

01:32:27.240 But the details that are requested of them, as was the case in that Robert Herr interview, elude them.

01:32:35.020 And I don't think, you know, that's surprising to anyone who's followed Joe Biden.

01:32:39.180 Joe Biden is a bullshitter. He's always been a bullshitter.

01:32:41.800 But what he was essentially left with by 2023 was only the bullshit, only the stories he'd told 30 times in which he was the hero and no ability to process anything else.

01:32:52.360 And so you hear that in his interviews.

01:32:56.540 He didn't want to talk about all the difficult memories that were hazy.

01:32:59.740 He wanted to just go back into the bullshit.

01:33:02.600 Poor Robert Herr. You got a feel for the guy.

01:33:05.000 The whole thing soup to nuts is a very negative experience for him.

01:33:08.140 That seems clear.

01:33:09.400 Rich and Charlie, stand by. We'll be right back after this.

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01:34:56.180 I think that the majority of U.S. families will feel for the Bidens.

01:35:00.480 I don't think this is a time for politics, but what I will say is that this administration has cut cancer funding research.

01:35:07.220 The Joe Biden we know is a man who has been very open about his challenges in life.

01:35:12.640 He didn't need to tell us that he had a Gleason score of nine stage four prostate cancer.

01:35:19.000 He's a private citizen now.

01:35:20.720 Every challenge that Joe Biden and Jill Biden have faced in their life, they have taken the American people along to help us when we face the same challenges.

01:35:30.460 So this is not something he was carrying around or that he was hiding.

01:35:34.000 I just, again, want to commend the people who cut their tongues off and said, get well soon.

01:35:43.260 Do you know?

01:35:43.760 Because I think that it just, it did something for me.

01:35:49.560 And the people who didn't cut their tongues off, I have a place where they can put them. 0.67

01:35:53.280 I'm sorry for subjecting you to a view clip, but I had to, in light of what we've been through these two hours together, you guys, of course.

01:36:05.280 That was bad at all, right?

01:36:06.600 It's like Trump, it's Trump's fault he cut cancer research.

01:36:11.680 So it's his fault.

01:36:13.680 And then back to, he's very, oh, he's very open about his problems.

01:36:19.280 He didn't need to tell us any of this.

01:36:21.380 So, you know, I guess thumbs up, Rich.

01:36:24.480 Good.

01:36:24.780 Like, I guess that's where, there is a good barometer for where the, like, real committed leftists are going to go.

01:36:30.720 Yeah, absolutely.

01:36:31.920 No discussion of the underlying scandal.

01:36:34.980 Just, just sympathy.

01:36:35.940 And obviously you can do both, as we've discussed.

01:36:39.060 And in terms of being very open about his condition, one, this is newsworthy.

01:36:43.540 Any former president of the United States would announce something of this nature.

01:36:47.320 But two, real transparency would have been Joe Biden giving a national speech in 2023.

01:36:51.960 We really, we're thinking about this hard.

01:36:54.980 We don't know where they should run again.

01:36:57.020 Joe's really not the same as he has been.

01:36:59.780 He's often confused, has trouble walking, but we think he's done a really good job.

01:37:03.660 What do you, the American public, think?

01:37:05.680 You know?

01:37:06.760 And of course they didn't do that.

01:37:08.420 They did everything to hide it and to hold on to power.

01:37:13.680 So they were party to and the prime movers behind a hideous lie that put, you know, maybe some of the people around them really wanted him to stay and were active participants or very willing participants in this.

01:37:31.180 But once you're not able, in decline, such that you can't really serve in the office anymore, but saying you're going to run again, it puts everyone in a terrible position.

01:37:41.480 It doesn't excuse Chris Murphy or any of these characters, but they were all in a terrible position because the natural partisan instinct, right, is to not do something to hurt your party.

01:37:51.000 And just saying the truth about Joe Biden would have hurt their party.

01:37:55.080 So they all ended up complicit one way or the other in this conspiracy.

01:38:01.100 Yeah, the center of which was Joe and Jill Biden.

01:38:05.080 The book that needs to be written next, and I really hope somebody's working on it right now, is going to be called Complicit.

01:38:10.160 That's really what needs, and it needs to include everyone.

01:38:12.780 One person who would undoubtedly be on that list and who the ladies of The View would love to have seen in that Oval Office is Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:38:20.560 We'll close with her, Charles.

01:38:22.160 She was in New York on May 1st, but we just got our hands on this, and had a message for Americans about the Trump presidency and more.

01:38:33.580 What advice do you have the first female president of the United States? 1.00

01:38:37.740 Well, first of all, don't be a handmaiden to the patriarchy, which kind of eliminates every woman on the other side of the aisle, except for very few.

01:38:59.000 Lisa Murkowski.

01:39:01.320 Liz Cheney.

01:39:02.240 Yeah, there's a few.

01:39:03.220 Look, first we have to get there, and it is, you know, obviously so much harder than it should be.

01:39:13.340 So, you know, if a woman runs who I think would be a good president, as I thought Kamala Harris would be, and as I knew I would be, I will support that woman.

01:39:25.620 Got it, Charles.

01:39:26.520 So everybody on the right is a handmaiden to the patriarchy except for Lisa Murkowski.

01:39:31.200 Yeah, so that's obviously a stupid thing to say, but you know what struck me more about that is that she used the words handmaiden to the patriarchy.

01:39:39.340 Hillary Clinton is somebody who actually has a much better understanding of normal Americans than she has exhibited in the last 10 years.

01:39:47.480 She was married to Bill Clinton.

01:39:49.280 She saw politics in Arkansas.

01:39:51.220 It was an asset to her in 2006, 2007.

01:39:54.580 I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I think there were a lot of things about Hillary Clinton that could have been successful had she become president.

01:40:05.920 And now she's talking like some sort of MSNBC, you know, Tumblr resistance, Gen Z influencer.

01:40:14.800 That just shows you why she lost.

01:40:16.960 I'm serious.

01:40:17.640 Again, I'm not a Hillary Clinton person.

01:40:19.480 I didn't want Hillary Clinton to be president. 1.00

01:40:20.860 I disagree with most of her politics, but Hillary Clinton actually knows deep down why a lot of people who don't like her don't like her because she saw them with her husband, two terms as governor of Arkansas, president of the United States for two years. 0.98

01:40:35.900 He won a bunch of now red states.

01:40:37.420 She's got to talk the cool talk now. 1.00

01:40:39.560 No, she's got to be more like AOC. 0.96

01:40:41.980 Right.

01:40:42.380 Why is she talking like that?

01:40:43.500 It's ridiculous.

01:40:44.400 We'll leave that one in the air for people to ponder.

01:40:47.120 Charlie, great to see you.

01:40:48.100 Rich, you as well.

01:40:48.980 Don't forget, guys, tomorrow, Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, they'll be here.

01:40:53.760 That'll be super fun.

01:40:54.840 We'll see you then.

01:40:58.680 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:41:00.820 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:41:18.980 I can't.

01:41:32.900 You're welcome.

01:41:33.200 You're welcome.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 19, 2025

Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke ｜ Ep. 1075

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