The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Afghanistan Blame Game, with Robert O'Neill and Ric Grenell

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.300 Today, more fallout in Afghanistan.

00:00:18.240 And Biden, who says, I stand squarely behind my own decision,

00:00:23.060 in fact, seems to be pointing the finger at anyone and everyone else.

00:00:27.580 He took responsibility for nothing yesterday.

00:00:31.680 And very little has changed other than assurances that he is going to get our personnel out of the embassy,

00:00:38.500 that he is going to try to get the Afghans who helped us out to safety,

00:00:42.960 though very unclear how he's going to do that.

00:00:45.440 We're sending another 6,000 troops in after we withdrew, the some odd 2,500 left.

00:00:52.080 And the condemnation against him remains near universal.

00:00:56.120 Some of the more leftist media personalities, Joy Reid, Nicole Wallace,

00:01:00.640 they're starting to defend Biden.

00:01:02.540 But this is a humiliating moment for him.

00:01:06.260 The images that came out of Afghanistan yesterday are nauseating.

00:01:10.420 They were completely unnecessary, and they are on him.

00:01:15.420 So we're going to be joined today with a reaction from Rob O'Neill

00:01:19.040 and why he's feeling disgusted by what he's seeing.

00:01:22.520 And O'Neill changed his Twitter bio description of himself to, quote,

00:01:26.980 just a dude who fought for this country for no reason.

00:01:30.080 So Rob's here, and we're going to talk to Rick Grinnell,

00:01:32.940 former acting director of national intelligence,

00:01:35.800 former ambassador to Germany,

00:01:37.580 on the finger pointing at Trump

00:01:39.900 and whether, in fact, some of this is Trump's fault

00:01:43.040 and whether Donald Trump would be sitting there right now

00:01:45.440 watching the Taliban take over in Afghanistan

00:01:47.520 without doing anything,

00:01:49.320 which is essentially the implication.

00:01:50.660 What do you think?

00:01:52.080 We're going to get to our guest in one minute,

00:01:53.500 a quick ad, and we'll get right to it.

00:02:01.680 Rob, how are you doing?

00:02:03.040 I'm well, Megan. How are you?

00:02:04.380 I'm good. Oh, my gosh.

00:02:06.080 I'm so happy that you're here.

00:02:07.640 I'm dying to talk to you about everything that's going on.

00:02:10.280 Let's just start where I left off yesterday,

00:02:12.120 which is what did you think of the Biden remarks?

00:02:15.000 Well, it's one thing to say the buck stops here,

00:02:17.900 and then it's another thing to take responsibility.

00:02:19.760 He took zero responsibility.

00:02:21.300 He did what a lot of people do nowadays.

00:02:23.120 They come out, they blame Trump.

00:02:24.220 Not my fault.

00:02:25.020 Buck stops here, though, even though it doesn't.

00:02:27.540 I think he came out, he read a speech

00:02:30.860 someone else wrote for him, and he left.

00:02:33.260 Yeah, right.

00:02:34.160 He gave it lip service.

00:02:35.600 The buck stops with me.

00:02:36.940 But then the rest of the speech was,

00:02:39.140 but it's Trump's fault and the Afghan army's fault

00:02:42.040 and the Afghan government's fault.

00:02:43.720 And literally there wasn't one moment

00:02:45.420 in which he took responsibility for anything.

00:02:48.540 No.

00:02:48.900 And this is, there's so much going on here.

00:02:51.500 This is something that happens

00:02:52.480 when you just surround yourself with yes men.

00:02:54.720 And that's what a lot of people do to,

00:02:56.840 I mean, to include military people,

00:02:58.140 either to a certain rank in the military,

00:03:00.020 up near the colonel or general officer,

00:03:02.340 admiral level.

00:03:03.460 Everyone's around you

00:03:04.660 to tell you exactly what you want to hear,

00:03:07.720 even if it's fake.

00:03:08.780 And every general admiral tells the politicians

00:03:11.040 what they want to hear

00:03:11.780 because everybody wants a job as a contractor

00:03:14.180 or in government

00:03:15.100 once they're done with the military.

00:03:16.440 And it's all very personal to them.

00:03:19.200 And that's it.

00:03:20.900 So when they're being told yes,

00:03:22.160 anyone on the ground could have told you

00:03:23.820 that most of the Afghans

00:03:24.720 are going to throw down their guns a runway.

00:03:26.520 And if you look at the pictures

00:03:27.620 of the people coming out,

00:03:29.140 they have a C-17 full of,

00:03:30.540 I don't know how many hundreds of people.

00:03:31.660 They're all males.

00:03:33.600 All males.

00:03:34.080 Yes, it's like only a smattering of women.

00:03:36.340 Yeah, they're talking about women and children

00:03:37.900 that are going to get brutalized

00:03:38.960 and raped and murdered by the Taliban,

00:03:40.320 yet they don't even take them with them.

00:03:41.580 We could have seen a lot of that coming.

00:03:43.400 It just, they were never ready to,

00:03:46.240 and that's, you know,

00:03:46.780 that's a lot of it's our fault.

00:03:48.040 We trained them as best we could,

00:03:49.300 but some of them were just there

00:03:51.600 because we gave them an easy paycheck.

00:03:53.760 Just like President Ghani, he left.

00:03:55.860 He put so much cash

00:03:57.120 that the American taxpayers gave him

00:03:59.480 in a helicopter.

00:04:00.180 They couldn't even close it.

00:04:01.060 So that's where your money goes to him.

00:04:02.680 He left.

00:04:03.140 He's out of there.

00:04:04.540 Unbelievable.

00:04:05.320 Right.

00:04:05.620 I know their leader did flee.

00:04:06.800 There's no question.

00:04:07.900 And a lot of the Afghans

00:04:09.160 just laid down their arms.

00:04:12.040 But some now are defending,

00:04:12.840 some people who I respect and really like,

00:04:14.400 Mark Thiessen of the American Enterprise Institute,

00:04:17.300 General Jack Keene,

00:04:18.700 who, you know, orchestrated the surge.

00:04:20.580 He was the one who,

00:04:21.260 the architect of it in Iraq.

00:04:22.800 This is a successful surge.

00:04:24.740 They've come out and said,

00:04:25.840 you know, Biden is a little out of line

00:04:28.060 in going after these,

00:04:29.240 the Afghan soldiers.

00:04:30.740 They were saying

00:04:31.240 they were doing fine

00:04:32.860 when they had American air support

00:04:34.660 and intel.

00:04:35.880 And once we decided

00:04:37.120 to stop doing that

00:04:38.160 and sort of ceased combat operations,

00:04:40.040 the Americans back in 15,

00:04:41.860 the Afghans shed a lot of blood

00:04:43.740 and treasure,

00:04:44.300 you know,

00:04:44.500 that they had some on 53,000,

00:04:46.540 57,000 of them dead,

00:04:48.360 2,500,

00:04:49.080 I think,

00:04:49.340 just this year

00:04:50.000 that they did fight.

00:04:51.140 They tried,

00:04:52.600 but it wasn't easy.

00:04:54.200 They couldn't do it

00:04:54.900 without our actual support

00:04:56.560 once we decided

00:04:57.220 we weren't providing that.

00:04:59.000 Yeah,

00:04:59.120 I've been in gunfights a lot

00:05:00.840 and it's definitely better

00:05:01.840 when air support

00:05:02.760 is on your team.

00:05:04.580 It's definitely a force multiplier

00:05:05.980 for obvious reasons

00:05:06.880 and they didn't have air support

00:05:07.780 and they were used to it.

00:05:09.580 You know,

00:05:10.120 the Taliban has always been saying

00:05:11.240 the entire time we were there

00:05:12.600 that the Americans have the clocks,

00:05:14.400 but we have the time.

00:05:15.820 You know,

00:05:16.160 we can't stay in Afghanistan forever.

00:05:18.040 That's pretty obvious.

00:05:19.240 We shouldn't have been there

00:05:19.980 with that many people

00:05:20.600 for that long.

00:05:21.440 We basically,

00:05:22.300 we basically had it won

00:05:24.320 in 2004,

00:05:26.460 I think.

00:05:26.840 There was no improvised

00:05:28.680 explosive devices.

00:05:30.200 You could drive a race,

00:05:31.200 drive a motorcycle

00:05:31.840 around Jalalabad.

00:05:32.980 We could eat at the shawarma stands.

00:05:34.540 You know,

00:05:34.680 we don't do that anymore.

00:05:36.820 It's just,

00:05:37.220 there's so much going on

00:05:38.620 and these are,

00:05:39.640 I mean,

00:05:39.980 to a lot of people too,

00:05:40.900 this is just a political thing.

00:05:42.060 You know,

00:05:42.220 no war,

00:05:42.660 no war.

00:05:43.000 They've never been there.

00:05:43.680 These are real people.

00:05:45.080 If you're hanging on

00:05:45.860 to a jet that's taking off

00:05:47.620 thinking you're going to hold on

00:05:48.840 because that's how bad

00:05:49.700 it is on the ground,

00:05:50.720 something went bad.

00:05:52.500 And I mean,

00:05:52.820 the Taliban are serious.

00:05:54.160 Everyone we captured

00:05:54.940 that's still alive

00:05:55.640 is out

00:05:56.420 and it's just,

00:05:58.300 it's a complete mess.

00:05:59.180 It could have been done

00:05:59.600 a lot easier,

00:06:00.560 a lot better.

00:06:01.600 We,

00:06:01.820 it never needed to be a,

00:06:03.920 we're either going to leave

00:06:05.640 or we're going to be

00:06:06.300 all out war.

00:06:07.040 There's airfields there

00:06:08.120 in Kabul,

00:06:09.160 in Bagram,

00:06:09.860 in Jalalabad.

00:06:10.580 Keep those open.

00:06:11.980 You don't even need

00:06:12.640 to have people go off base

00:06:13.780 that aren't locals.

00:06:15.800 You know,

00:06:16.000 keep the air support.

00:06:16.880 And the Taliban

00:06:17.640 shows up in trucks.

00:06:18.740 They come in con,

00:06:19.600 well now they have

00:06:20.180 Humvees and MRAPs,

00:06:21.620 but they come in trucks

00:06:22.380 and convoys from Madrasas

00:06:23.540 in Pakistan.

00:06:24.760 Bomb them.

00:06:25.520 It's a,

00:06:25.920 that's,

00:06:26.160 you have to do it.

00:06:26.740 It sucks,

00:06:27.520 but you know,

00:06:28.100 war's not fun.

00:06:28.900 War's not pretty.

00:06:29.600 I don't recommend it

00:06:30.900 to anybody,

00:06:31.500 but that's what you have

00:06:32.240 to do if you're,

00:06:32.840 if you're dealing

00:06:33.260 with evil than we are.

00:06:34.640 Well,

00:06:35.000 that's the thing.

00:06:35.460 So we had all these

00:06:36.080 troops over there

00:06:36.860 and at some 14,000 plus

00:06:38.920 when,

00:06:39.300 when Trump said,

00:06:40.200 you know,

00:06:40.520 we got to withdraw that.

00:06:41.820 We,

00:06:41.920 we,

00:06:42.060 we got to come up

00:06:42.940 with it with a different deal.

00:06:44.320 And then it was down

00:06:45.440 to 2,500

00:06:46.040 when Biden started

00:06:47.100 to just pull the troops

00:06:48.180 over the summer

00:06:48.940 during the height

00:06:49.760 of the fighting season.

00:06:50.560 And the Afghans

00:06:51.500 were left high and dry.

00:06:53.300 I mean,

00:06:53.440 they really,

00:06:54.000 they didn't really

00:06:55.460 have any support.

00:06:56.340 And,

00:06:56.500 and even though Biden says,

00:06:57.760 oh,

00:06:57.820 they were 300,000 strong

00:06:59.140 without the air support,

00:07:00.500 most military experts

00:07:01.500 were saying they didn't

00:07:02.080 really have much

00:07:02.600 of a chance

00:07:03.500 against,

00:07:04.620 against the Taliban

00:07:05.320 who were more determined.

00:07:06.600 You know,

00:07:06.840 the Afghan forces

00:07:08.060 weren't getting paid

00:07:09.320 the corruption at the top.

00:07:10.820 They weren't getting fed

00:07:11.840 in all these instances.

00:07:13.060 And so they,

00:07:13.740 their hearts weren't

00:07:14.360 necessarily in it.

00:07:15.140 Whereas the Taliban,

00:07:16.080 you know,

00:07:16.180 for them,

00:07:16.460 this is a,

00:07:17.080 this is a totally

00:07:17.940 different jihadist mission.

00:07:19.420 Can we talk about

00:07:21.580 that moment though

00:07:22.260 with the,

00:07:22.820 with that,

00:07:23.560 is it a C-17 Rob,

00:07:25.120 the,

00:07:25.280 the aircraft?

00:07:26.420 Okay.

00:07:26.920 Yes.

00:07:27.380 American C-17

00:07:28.420 leading,

00:07:29.240 leaving the airport

00:07:30.680 and you see all these Afghans

00:07:32.460 running to get on it.

00:07:33.600 And I'll tell you again,

00:07:34.640 Mark Thiessen

00:07:35.280 starts a column

00:07:36.860 for the Washington Post.

00:07:37.800 He writes weekly

00:07:38.340 and as follows.

00:07:39.880 On September 11th,

00:07:41.160 2001,

00:07:41.860 Americans literally

00:07:42.640 fell from the sky,

00:07:44.160 jumping from the top floors

00:07:45.220 of the World Trade Center

00:07:46.040 to escape the fires

00:07:47.020 set by Al-Qaeda

00:07:47.820 and the Taliban regime

00:07:49.380 that aided and abetted them.

00:07:51.520 Today,

00:07:51.980 almost two decades later,

00:07:53.660 it is our Afghan allies

00:07:54.780 who are falling from the sky

00:07:55.980 after clinging to the fuselage

00:07:58.000 of a U.S. military aircraft

00:07:59.340 taking off

00:07:59.920 from the Kabul airport

00:08:00.900 in a desperate effort

00:08:02.280 to escape

00:08:03.160 the Taliban regime.

00:08:04.780 He says,

00:08:05.200 the debacle

00:08:05.660 President Biden

00:08:06.340 has unleashed

00:08:06.940 in Afghanistan today

00:08:08.020 is the most shameful thing

00:08:09.340 I've witnessed

00:08:10.340 in over three decades

00:08:11.560 in Washington.

00:08:12.160 I mean,

00:08:13.500 that is,

00:08:14.020 that was a shocking image

00:08:15.520 to see the three,

00:08:16.580 at least three people died

00:08:18.280 falling from the aircraft

00:08:19.360 that they couldn't get on.

00:08:20.620 They thought somehow

00:08:21.540 it would take them out,

00:08:23.020 that they could escape,

00:08:23.720 they could live

00:08:24.320 holding on to the outside

00:08:25.220 of the airplane.

00:08:26.160 We got on as many as we could,

00:08:27.820 but, you know,

00:08:28.800 some grabbed on the outside

00:08:31.020 and their fate was sealed.

00:08:32.880 And there,

00:08:33.220 it really was,

00:08:33.840 it struck me too,

00:08:34.420 the juxtaposition

00:08:35.140 between I know

00:08:35.960 the people you fought for,

00:08:37.180 the people you were thinking about

00:08:38.240 when you went in

00:08:38.820 to kill bin Laden,

00:08:39.980 the woman who had to jump

00:08:40.980 from the top

00:08:41.460 of the World Trade Center

00:08:42.300 and those guys

00:08:44.000 falling from a plane,

00:08:45.560 whatever you think of them,

00:08:47.240 you know,

00:08:47.420 these are people

00:08:47.900 who were told

00:08:48.460 had been helping us

00:08:49.500 and we just abandoned them.

00:08:51.700 Yeah,

00:08:52.200 these were,

00:08:53.020 if they're holding on

00:08:53.820 to a plane like that,

00:08:54.620 they definitely had something

00:08:56.080 to do with the Americans

00:08:57.000 and the Taliban

00:08:57.540 knew who they were

00:08:58.980 and that's what they're doing now.

00:09:00.400 And again,

00:09:00.980 to humanize what happens,

00:09:03.980 I always say that

00:09:04.940 it doesn't matter

00:09:05.400 what you feel,

00:09:06.000 if you portray calm,

00:09:07.400 people around you

00:09:08.160 will be calm,

00:09:08.640 but if you panic,

00:09:09.440 other people will panic.

00:09:10.460 And if people start

00:09:12.120 leaving the front lines

00:09:13.880 running for cover,

00:09:15.260 more people are going

00:09:16.060 to be inclined to do that.

00:09:17.140 It's like in SEAL training,

00:09:18.320 when someone quits,

00:09:19.560 someone looks at them,

00:09:20.240 well,

00:09:20.360 if he can't make it,

00:09:20.980 I can't make it,

00:09:21.660 then he'll go quit.

00:09:22.460 It's just a sympathetic reaction

00:09:25.240 that happens naturally

00:09:26.160 and,

00:09:26.340 you know,

00:09:26.980 gunfights are scary

00:09:28.520 and the Taliban

00:09:29.700 has been gearing up

00:09:31.000 for this in Pakistan,

00:09:32.300 which is a whole

00:09:33.160 different conversation

00:09:34.660 to have.

00:09:35.200 Why,

00:09:35.420 you know,

00:09:35.900 why didn't we just move on

00:09:36.900 from Afghanistan

00:09:37.460 to where we know

00:09:38.360 they all are in Pakistan?

00:09:39.320 But yeah,

00:09:40.620 I mean,

00:09:40.760 it gets scary.

00:09:41.760 People quit

00:09:42.180 and then they start

00:09:42.800 thinking about their families.

00:09:43.780 What if they get out

00:09:44.540 but then their kids don't?

00:09:45.980 The Taliban,

00:09:46.900 I don't really care

00:09:48.200 what they say

00:09:48.580 on some news network.

00:09:49.600 They're not mostly peaceful.

00:09:51.320 These are horrible,

00:09:52.120 horrible people

00:09:52.700 and they are capable

00:09:55.320 of doing something

00:09:56.660 to another human being

00:09:57.860 that shouldn't even be

00:09:58.740 run through your head.

00:09:59.680 It's so bad.

00:10:00.120 I know it's kind of

00:10:02.540 people are watching them

00:10:04.400 in most instances

00:10:06.180 hold their fire right now

00:10:08.160 as we effectively surrender.

00:10:10.140 I mean,

00:10:10.760 they're holding their fire

00:10:12.500 to let us surrender

00:10:13.960 and we're going to get out

00:10:15.620 and then they're going

00:10:16.280 to have complete control

00:10:17.260 and then our Afghan allies

00:10:19.440 are going to be left

00:10:20.120 to the Taliban's

00:10:21.340 evil forces and desires.

00:10:23.280 And what are we going to do then?

00:10:24.740 Now we're not even going to have

00:10:25.520 an Air Force base

00:10:26.740 or any sort of,

00:10:27.360 any sort of base

00:10:28.740 to go back in through

00:10:30.440 from which to regain control

00:10:32.700 or provide security.

00:10:33.640 It's done.

00:10:34.420 They're being smart.

00:10:36.540 Oh, yeah.

00:10:37.080 Yeah, just lie to everybody.

00:10:38.780 Tell them you're going to be peaceful.

00:10:39.720 Let the Westerners leave.

00:10:40.860 They're even,

00:10:41.800 you know,

00:10:42.520 even though a lot

00:10:43.500 of those reporters,

00:10:44.320 there's one in particular

00:10:45.160 that I give her credit

00:10:46.880 even for being there.

00:10:47.640 She was saying they're peaceful.

00:10:48.660 They're really not.

00:10:49.260 But just to show your face

00:10:50.380 in a place like that

00:10:51.000 with the Taliban,

00:10:51.660 that does take guts.

00:10:52.900 Maybe because they can't

00:10:53.860 quite get out yet

00:10:54.380 and the Taliban

00:10:54.720 is going to leave them there.

00:10:55.900 But I mean,

00:10:56.300 there's a lot more

00:10:57.280 going on to this, too.

00:10:58.140 You'll notice the Russian embassy

00:10:59.280 didn't close down.

00:11:00.000 They're not getting overrun.

00:11:00.920 China will be in there soon.

00:11:03.100 It's all working

00:11:03.680 into their hands.

00:11:04.340 It all comes down

00:11:05.660 to the weakness

00:11:06.700 this administration

00:11:07.440 is showing worldwide.

00:11:10.360 You know,

00:11:10.960 President Biden,

00:11:12.020 yesterday he came out

00:11:13.580 and basically said,

00:11:14.400 look,

00:11:14.540 I understand

00:11:15.120 how hard this is

00:11:16.700 for the troops

00:11:17.380 who fought.

00:11:18.640 He said,

00:11:18.980 I realize it's deeply personal.

00:11:21.340 These images are crushing.

00:11:22.840 It's painful for the vets.

00:11:23.880 You had some thoughts

00:11:26.260 for President Biden

00:11:27.000 I saw on Twitter.

00:11:27.980 What do you want

00:11:29.180 to say to him?

00:11:29.920 He seems to be

00:11:31.100 trying to show empathy

00:11:32.460 for the veterans who fought.

00:11:34.000 This was just,

00:11:34.760 I'm hoping,

00:11:35.740 like I said,

00:11:36.180 I think earlier

00:11:36.760 that I'm hoping

00:11:37.540 some senior advisors

00:11:38.540 were telling him

00:11:39.200 this is a bad idea.

00:11:40.260 I'm hoping he knows

00:11:41.060 it was a bad idea.

00:11:42.120 Everyone knew

00:11:42.580 Kabul was going to fall.

00:11:43.840 Not a lot of us knew

00:11:44.680 it was going to fall

00:11:45.260 this soon.

00:11:46.820 And it's just,

00:11:47.500 it's a shame to,

00:11:48.620 I mean,

00:11:48.840 I don't want to start

00:11:49.580 naming people

00:11:50.200 I know that died over there.

00:11:51.800 And now it's like

00:11:52.560 a for what?

00:11:53.140 It's like we never even,

00:11:54.100 never even went there.

00:11:55.440 And we,

00:11:56.420 you know,

00:11:56.720 you got young Marines

00:11:57.600 and airmen

00:11:58.060 and soldiers

00:11:58.960 walking through minefields

00:12:00.080 watching their buddies

00:12:00.640 get blown up.

00:12:01.420 And we just gave it

00:12:02.220 all back to them

00:12:02.840 without a fight.

00:12:03.860 I mean,

00:12:04.080 a fight that wouldn't,

00:12:04.820 it's going to cost us

00:12:05.560 more to fly in

00:12:06.400 from aircraft carriers

00:12:08.520 now and refuel

00:12:09.580 or from different bases

00:12:10.540 in the Middle East

00:12:11.240 refueling long,

00:12:12.660 long flights

00:12:13.060 just to,

00:12:13.480 you know,

00:12:14.460 throw bombs at people

00:12:15.260 that they could have done

00:12:16.080 in a matter of minutes

00:12:17.080 if we kept Bagram.

00:12:17.920 I mean,

00:12:18.180 Bagram alone

00:12:18.800 would have been enough.

00:12:19.580 We had enough air power,

00:12:20.380 enough ways

00:12:21.920 to defend ourselves

00:12:22.780 without the,

00:12:23.440 I mean,

00:12:23.980 maybe we should have realized,

00:12:25.080 okay,

00:12:25.280 maybe we shouldn't be out there

00:12:26.420 trying to build schools

00:12:27.840 and keep the peace,

00:12:28.820 but we do need to,

00:12:29.660 for our own national security,

00:12:30.780 because if you think ISIS

00:12:31.680 and Al Qaeda

00:12:32.140 aren't coming in too,

00:12:33.100 and they'll all work together

00:12:33.920 with,

00:12:34.460 you know,

00:12:34.620 they don't mess with China

00:12:35.700 because China will do

00:12:37.640 what warriors need to do.

00:12:39.280 They know they'll kill them bad,

00:12:40.440 but if they don't mess with them,

00:12:41.500 they won't mess with each other.

00:12:43.320 I would just tell them

00:12:44.160 that it does seem

00:12:45.080 like it's in vain.

00:12:45.700 I have no doubt

00:12:46.820 that President Biden

00:12:47.560 has a big heart,

00:12:48.880 but he's been wrong

00:12:50.260 about a lot of foreign policy things,

00:12:52.940 and I was showing my frustration

00:12:54.380 because it's hard to watch

00:12:55.400 these Taliban,

00:12:57.080 these Taliban

00:12:58.540 in our weight rooms,

00:13:00.500 on our treadmills,

00:13:01.420 knowing that they're

00:13:02.000 in the presidential palace.

00:13:03.120 We shouldn't be bombing them

00:13:04.140 right now.

00:13:04.960 It doesn't matter

00:13:05.540 where they are now.

00:13:06.180 If the president's not there,

00:13:07.400 I mean,

00:13:07.800 the president of Afghanistan

00:13:09.380 is not there.

00:13:10.300 It's not his palace.

00:13:11.220 The Taliban are inside

00:13:11.800 with their leadership

00:13:12.420 taking selfies,

00:13:13.520 hit them with a few JDAMs,

00:13:15.700 Mm-hmm.

00:13:16.420 Well,

00:13:16.840 we're going a different way.

00:13:17.940 We're, you know,

00:13:18.480 we're not interested

00:13:18.980 in that fight anymore.

00:13:20.000 I mean,

00:13:20.200 Biden made that very clear

00:13:21.360 and, you know,

00:13:23.240 has struck this agreement

00:13:24.180 like we're not going to hit them

00:13:25.180 and they're not going to hit us

00:13:26.020 as we tuck tail and run.

00:13:28.960 His point yesterday

00:13:30.540 was no more American bloodshed.

00:13:32.520 You know,

00:13:32.700 I'm going to be the one to do it.

00:13:33.900 I'm going to be the one

00:13:34.520 to get us out.

00:13:36.420 I'm just going to play the soundbite

00:13:37.760 so folks can listen.

00:13:39.200 I stand squarely behind my decision.

00:13:42.260 We were clear-eyed

00:13:43.380 about the risks.

00:13:44.200 We plan for every contingency,

00:13:46.540 but I always promise

00:13:48.500 the American people

00:13:49.300 that I will be straight with you.

00:13:51.060 The truth is,

00:13:52.320 this did unfold more quickly

00:13:54.220 than we had anticipated.

00:13:56.360 So what's happened?

00:13:57.760 How many more lives,

00:13:59.940 American lives,

00:14:00.860 is it worth?

00:14:01.780 How many endless rows of headstones

00:14:03.700 at Arlington National Cemetery?

00:14:05.740 I'm clear on my answer.

00:14:07.000 I will not repeat the mistakes

00:14:10.060 we've made in the past.

00:14:11.940 After 20 long years of bloodshed,

00:14:15.260 the events we're seeing now

00:14:16.700 are sadly proof

00:14:18.460 that no amount of military force

00:14:20.860 would ever deliver a stable,

00:14:23.240 united, secure Afghanistan.

00:14:25.300 Afghanistan when I ran for president

00:14:27.260 that I would bring America's

00:14:29.100 military involvement

00:14:29.960 in Afghanistan to an end.

00:14:31.940 While it's been hard and messy,

00:14:34.480 and yes, far from perfect,

00:14:36.800 I've honored that commitment.

00:14:38.740 What do you make of that, Rob?

00:14:39.840 Yeah, I mean,

00:14:42.500 it is going to be messy,

00:14:43.360 but again,

00:14:43.720 it's not a black and white decision

00:14:46.120 to stay all out

00:14:47.400 or just leave,

00:14:48.900 and it shouldn't be made

00:14:49.980 like this one is

00:14:50.820 as a political talking point.

00:14:53.620 It shouldn't just be a distraction,

00:14:56.180 something we talk about

00:14:56.960 and then get rid of it.

00:14:58.040 This is very serious.

00:14:58.680 There are people being tortured

00:14:59.420 as we speak,

00:15:00.260 and it's horrifying

00:15:01.860 what they're going to go through.

00:15:02.760 There's going to be

00:15:03.020 a lot more bloodshed,

00:15:04.660 and there will be more combat

00:15:07.540 when we have to send

00:15:08.360 airborne troops back in there,

00:15:09.840 to get...

00:15:10.280 We're already sending

00:15:11.100 6,000 troops back in there

00:15:12.380 right now,

00:15:13.320 which we wouldn't have had to do

00:15:15.180 if we had handled this appropriately.

00:15:16.680 Right.

00:15:17.020 It doesn't...

00:15:17.840 Why are you going to take them out

00:15:18.560 just to put them back in?

00:15:19.500 It doesn't make any sense.

00:15:21.160 If we've been there for 20 years,

00:15:22.220 we should know what's going to happen

00:15:23.280 if we just leave like that.

00:15:24.880 We know Bagram is...

00:15:26.120 We know Bagram well,

00:15:27.960 and we could have maintained that

00:15:29.540 and had a more peaceful transition,

00:15:31.620 you know,

00:15:31.800 slowly letting the Afghans

00:15:32.820 do all the work by themselves,

00:15:34.240 but even when we were working,

00:15:35.720 in my experience anyway,

00:15:37.260 working with the Afghans,

00:15:38.300 they were never...

00:15:39.240 They weren't...

00:15:40.080 We would call them

00:15:40.680 Afghan-led missions,

00:15:41.700 and nothing could be further

00:15:42.440 from the truth.

00:15:43.500 And a lot of people that I know...

00:15:44.760 Because these are people

00:15:45.480 that will either show up

00:15:46.360 for work one day or won't

00:15:47.380 and just say,

00:15:48.060 well, God willing,

00:15:49.060 God didn't want me

00:15:49.600 to come to work today,

00:15:50.380 so I didn't.

00:15:51.940 You know,

00:15:52.200 they need to get more serious

00:15:53.220 about what's it going to be like

00:15:54.220 to fight without as much air support

00:15:55.900 as they're used to with us.

00:15:57.160 We didn't do a proper handover.

00:15:59.880 And it's easy to say

00:16:01.060 the stuff of Camp David

00:16:01.880 at the White House

00:16:02.380 because you're not seeing

00:16:02.900 the horrors

00:16:03.580 of what's going on now.

00:16:05.580 But wait,

00:16:06.680 so let me...

00:16:07.460 Let's walk through that

00:16:08.320 because I've heard it both ways

00:16:10.040 when it comes to the Afghan soldiers,

00:16:11.300 as I mentioned,

00:16:11.920 Jack Keen,

00:16:12.800 Mark Thiessen.

00:16:13.340 And in fact,

00:16:13.660 let me just play the Jack Keen soundbite

00:16:14.980 so we know what we're talking about.

00:16:16.160 This is him.

00:16:16.940 He's not exactly defending

00:16:18.020 the Afghan military,

00:16:18.780 but he's trying to explain

00:16:20.040 what really went on here.

00:16:20.980 Here, listen to him.

00:16:21.540 And I would like to point out

00:16:23.740 a couple of factual errors

00:16:25.120 in those remarks

00:16:26.620 that deal with, you know,

00:16:27.700 his defense of his decision.

00:16:29.640 When he's saying

00:16:30.160 that the Afghans, you know,

00:16:32.200 are not willing to fight,

00:16:34.420 that's not telling the whole story.

00:16:37.380 They have suffered

00:16:38.280 over 50,000 casualties.

00:16:40.880 What happened this year

00:16:42.860 is the United States said

00:16:44.800 to the Afghan security forces

00:16:46.840 and to their government

00:16:47.720 that we are no longer willing

00:16:49.960 to support your efforts.

00:16:53.500 And as a result of that,

00:16:55.080 that had incredibly adverse impact

00:16:57.820 on them,

00:16:58.280 knowing full well

00:16:59.200 that would be the first time

00:17:00.660 that they've ever

00:17:01.480 not had air support

00:17:03.260 and robust intelligence

00:17:04.480 to enable their fighting.

00:17:06.900 The Afghans have fought in the past.

00:17:09.080 They are not a strong military

00:17:10.740 by any means,

00:17:11.820 and anyone who's been

00:17:12.960 in Afghanistan knows that.

00:17:14.860 But with U.S. enablers,

00:17:16.800 what we were able to achieve

00:17:18.100 is a stalemate.

00:17:19.020 We pulled the plug on them

00:17:21.060 and they collapsed.

00:17:22.400 That's a fact.

00:17:23.720 They have fought

00:17:24.820 and they certainly have suffered.

00:17:27.040 And Thiessen was pointing out as well,

00:17:29.200 he says there's not a single U.S. ally

00:17:30.680 in the world

00:17:31.180 that could defend itself

00:17:32.220 without U.S. help.

00:17:33.820 He's saying to say,

00:17:35.000 you know,

00:17:35.240 as Biden suggested yesterday,

00:17:36.560 these guys are just not willing to fight,

00:17:38.240 is libelous

00:17:39.240 because they did.

00:17:40.700 This is Thiessen saying

00:17:41.460 in January 2015,

00:17:42.520 Afghan forces assumed

00:17:43.540 full responsibility for combat.

00:17:45.600 U.S. combat deaths

00:17:46.520 dropped to an average

00:17:47.180 of about 17 a year.

00:17:48.960 During the same period,

00:17:50.100 between 53,000 and 57,000

00:17:51.580 Afghan soldiers

00:17:52.300 were killed in action.

00:17:53.760 He says today,

00:17:55.240 to say they weren't willing

00:17:56.060 to fight is libelous,

00:17:57.080 but, you know,

00:17:58.100 they couldn't do it

00:17:59.360 without the U.S. mission planning,

00:18:01.340 intel, and air support

00:18:02.340 that had enabled them to succeed.

00:18:04.460 So which is it?

00:18:05.620 Is it that they were trying to fight,

00:18:07.820 it's just not possible

00:18:08.960 without some U.S. air support,

00:18:10.960 or there are a bunch of derelicts

00:18:12.700 who wouldn't fight for their country,

00:18:14.760 and so why should we?

00:18:16.240 No, I'm not saying

00:18:17.100 they're derelicts.

00:18:17.900 You know, I've worked

00:18:18.640 with them quite a bit.

00:18:19.320 I just don't think

00:18:19.800 they had the capabilities

00:18:21.060 that we did,

00:18:21.740 especially with our air support,

00:18:24.260 obviously,

00:18:24.660 and General Keene

00:18:25.560 hit it pretty much on the head.

00:18:26.900 Once we left, we left,

00:18:27.840 but the problem is

00:18:28.940 we've been treating them

00:18:30.400 with kid gloves for so long.

00:18:31.620 Yeah, maybe we let them

00:18:33.020 patrol the streets of Kabul

00:18:35.260 and a couple places like that,

00:18:36.520 but look how,

00:18:36.960 I mean, Kandahar,

00:18:37.600 we never really had anyway.

00:18:38.760 The Taliban's pretty much

00:18:39.520 owned that the entire time,

00:18:40.520 and again,

00:18:42.180 I mean, it's a fair factor.

00:18:43.160 I'm not there with them right now.

00:18:45.000 I don't know where their minds are.

00:18:46.400 I just,

00:18:47.260 if you have an army

00:18:48.240 that doubles the size

00:18:49.520 of the other army

00:18:50.260 and they lose in a few days,

00:18:51.700 someone wasn't fighting.

00:18:53.840 Something's gone very wrong.

00:18:55.220 So do you believe,

00:18:56.440 as Biden said,

00:18:57.300 that, look,

00:18:58.380 we needed to go,

00:18:59.200 like another five years,

00:19:00.760 another one year,

00:19:01.340 another 20 years,

00:19:02.440 the Afghan forces

00:19:03.520 wouldn't have done any better.

00:19:04.800 This isn't our battle,

00:19:05.840 and it's sad,

00:19:06.860 but bye.

00:19:07.980 Yeah, I mean,

00:19:08.360 it's very sad.

00:19:08.960 And think about all the,

00:19:09.740 you know,

00:19:09.960 everything we've lost,

00:19:11.040 of course,

00:19:11.680 the lives that were lost,

00:19:12.600 there were Americans

00:19:13.220 and coalition forces,

00:19:14.600 all the money

00:19:15.140 that we wasted there.

00:19:16.080 And, you know,

00:19:16.480 we just leave everything behind,

00:19:17.740 everything from flat screen TVs

00:19:18.860 to vehicles and weapons,

00:19:20.140 which the Taliban now have all of.

00:19:22.340 I mean, yeah,

00:19:23.040 I mean,

00:19:23.600 we have enough smart people,

00:19:24.800 I think,

00:19:25.200 in the Pentagon,

00:19:25.760 to have figured out

00:19:26.360 a better way to do this.

00:19:27.280 And like I said,

00:19:28.080 I really hope they were

00:19:28.880 telling the president that.

00:19:29.880 I don't think,

00:19:30.240 well,

00:19:30.480 I don't really think it matters

00:19:31.760 what he thinks anyway,

00:19:33.340 because there's people

00:19:34.000 behind the scenes

00:19:34.680 making these decisions

00:19:35.520 and writing these speeches.

00:19:36.860 It just,

00:19:38.180 there's just no,

00:19:41.200 I mean,

00:19:41.520 I did say a couple years ago

00:19:43.280 we should have been out there,

00:19:44.320 out of there,

00:19:45.100 because they don't want

00:19:46.760 our form of democracy.

00:19:47.800 They've proven that.

00:19:48.580 Maybe they did in the cities,

00:19:49.480 but we didn't,

00:19:50.260 I mean,

00:19:50.420 yeah,

00:19:50.660 we pulled the rug

00:19:52.060 right out from under them

00:19:52.800 and it's just,

00:19:54.220 it just doesn't make me happy at all.

00:19:57.200 Yeah,

00:19:57.300 but what's out of there?

00:19:58.340 What's out of there,

00:19:59.140 right?

00:19:59.300 Because it's like,

00:20:00.080 you can take away

00:20:01.240 the 15,000 fighting forces

00:20:02.760 that we had over there

00:20:03.640 when Trump made that decision,

00:20:05.360 but,

00:20:05.700 you know,

00:20:06.180 wouldn't a few thousand

00:20:07.220 have been able to at least

00:20:08.720 hold the status quo?

00:20:10.640 You know,

00:20:10.840 it's like,

00:20:11.720 no,

00:20:11.960 it's not ideal to have us

00:20:13.780 in perpetuity running these,

00:20:15.680 you know,

00:20:16.020 this air support

00:20:16.980 and this intel for them,

00:20:18.180 but I,

00:20:19.400 I can see the argument

00:20:20.500 that it's much better

00:20:21.220 than the alternative,

00:20:21.920 which is vacuum,

00:20:23.680 void,

00:20:24.640 Taliban in control,

00:20:26.000 new base for Al Qaeda.

00:20:27.620 Like,

00:20:27.740 was it so bad

00:20:28.680 to have,

00:20:29.140 when our troops were there

00:20:29.800 over the past few years

00:20:30.560 to support,

00:20:31.220 just providing support?

00:20:32.560 We've got tens of thousands

00:20:34.140 over in Japan,

00:20:35.400 South Korea,

00:20:36.380 Germany.

00:20:37.280 I don't,

00:20:37.980 I'm not sure

00:20:38.700 why it was so necessary

00:20:39.700 to pull the last few thousand.

00:20:42.060 That's got to be just politics

00:20:43.480 or a bad policy,

00:20:45.700 but we're one and the same.

00:20:47.820 Yeah,

00:20:48.360 but I,

00:20:48.920 no,

00:20:49.340 it's not that bad over there.

00:20:50.500 I,

00:20:50.680 there's,

00:20:51.040 there's a,

00:20:51.620 the airfield,

00:20:52.640 there's a base on the airfield

00:20:53.600 in Jalalabad

00:20:54.260 where I stayed for a few months.

00:20:55.500 It was like a European resort

00:20:57.040 full with like a,

00:20:58.200 a bar,

00:20:59.240 a dance,

00:21:00.680 a dance floor.

00:21:01.260 They have green bean coffees

00:21:02.720 at Kabul

00:21:03.480 and,

00:21:03.820 and,

00:21:04.060 and karaoke night

00:21:05.280 and paved roads.

00:21:06.520 And it's not,

00:21:07.040 I mean,

00:21:07.320 it's not all driving through.

00:21:09.020 I mean,

00:21:09.720 everyone that raised their hand

00:21:10.920 for this country,

00:21:11.620 I,

00:21:11.800 I,

00:21:12.000 you know,

00:21:12.160 I respect them all,

00:21:13.480 but you know,

00:21:14.060 not everybody's out there

00:21:14.860 doing the really,

00:21:15.520 really hard,

00:21:16.220 hard work that a lot of the,

00:21:17.320 a lot of the people who died

00:21:18.680 don't,

00:21:19.200 aren't getting the credit for.

00:21:20.500 And I would just,

00:21:21.040 I don't,

00:21:21.500 I don't like the long-term effect.

00:21:22.800 This is,

00:21:23.100 this is like,

00:21:23.700 uh,

00:21:24.600 uh,

00:21:25.200 Al Qaeda attack,

00:21:26.080 the World Trade Center in 1993.

00:21:28.420 And we knew they were going

00:21:29.340 to come back,

00:21:29.860 but then we just forgot about it.

00:21:31.220 And then they came back

00:21:32.320 and that,

00:21:33.060 you know,

00:21:33.320 they,

00:21:33.520 they build their bases there.

00:21:34.760 They keep enough,

00:21:35.900 uh,

00:21:36.500 of the ideology going on

00:21:37.640 and the fanaticism,

00:21:38.560 especially with our open

00:21:39.380 Southern border.

00:21:39.960 And more importantly,

00:21:40.860 our open Northern border.

00:21:42.400 Um,

00:21:42.800 they haven't forgotten about us.

00:21:44.260 We're the,

00:21:44.700 we're the paper tiger.

00:21:45.920 And I'm worried about the homeland.

00:21:48.000 If they have camps over there

00:21:49.000 and can get people into this country,

00:21:50.520 they'll do it.

00:21:51.000 And they'll get them right

00:21:51.620 to a Times Square if they can.

00:21:53.320 Yeah.

00:21:53.780 And you tell me whether,

00:21:54.840 how,

00:21:55.520 how can we run counter-terrorism operations

00:21:57.500 in Afghanistan

00:21:59.160 when we're not in there,

00:22:00.900 right?

00:22:01.180 Like from,

00:22:02.040 from the Gulf,

00:22:02.920 like what,

00:22:03.660 how are we going to do that?

00:22:05.040 Well,

00:22:05.220 we,

00:22:05.440 we lost a major foothold there

00:22:06.740 because we have,

00:22:07.560 you know,

00:22:08.000 we have the stands up North

00:22:09.680 and,

00:22:09.960 and,

00:22:10.320 uh,

00:22:10.840 and Russia.

00:22:11.320 We got China over there,

00:22:12.460 uh,

00:22:13.040 and Iran.

00:22:13.600 And we're right in the middle of them

00:22:15.120 when we can do everything

00:22:16.380 from run sources

00:22:17.060 to have,

00:22:17.580 you know,

00:22:18.000 spy aircraft fly over them.

00:22:19.380 It's just more difficult.

00:22:20.260 Now,

00:22:20.480 some of the,

00:22:21.080 we'll be able to monitor

00:22:22.040 from up above,

00:22:23.160 but it's going to be a lot harder

00:22:24.400 to run sources,

00:22:25.280 especially,

00:22:25.740 I mean,

00:22:25.920 if I was an Afghan right now,

00:22:27.640 I wouldn't want to be a source

00:22:28.640 for an American.

00:22:29.700 Right,

00:22:29.980 right.

00:22:30.300 Of course,

00:22:30.800 after the way we just treated them,

00:22:32.480 there's been heartbreaking reporting

00:22:33.840 coming out about people

00:22:34.780 who helped us,

00:22:35.420 not just the translators,

00:22:36.580 but all sorts of guys.

00:22:37.620 I mean,

00:22:37.780 you're in a better position

00:22:38.900 to,

00:22:39.260 to talk about that than I am,

00:22:41.060 but there were a lot of Afghans

00:22:42.180 helping our troops

00:22:43.040 and they're coming out now saying,

00:22:45.140 oh my God,

00:22:45.700 you know,

00:22:45.920 we're,

00:22:46.160 this is just,

00:22:47.120 here's one of them.

00:22:48.500 I just pulled one testimonial.

00:22:49.920 I don't,

00:22:50.200 I don't know what the U.S. did to us

00:22:51.920 as this one guy.

00:22:52.720 We're betrayed.

00:22:53.260 We're trapped.

00:22:53.820 We're waiting behind a closed door

00:22:55.020 for someone to come

00:22:55.740 and haul us outside

00:22:56.600 and execute us

00:22:57.940 in front of our family.

00:22:58.900 This is so terrible.

00:23:00.200 We will not surprise.

00:23:01.980 We will not survive.

00:23:03.040 This is Deseret News

00:23:03.960 and name withheld

00:23:06.260 a guy out of Kabul,

00:23:07.480 Afghanistan,

00:23:07.860 who spent 10 years

00:23:08.880 as a vehicle contractor

00:23:09.920 for the U.S. military.

00:23:11.420 His special immigrant visa

00:23:12.680 applications were repeatedly

00:23:13.900 rejected because of errors

00:23:15.940 in the recommendation letters

00:23:17.040 from his U.S. supervisor.

00:23:18.360 So, you know,

00:23:19.220 we've made it pretty hard

00:23:20.240 for these guys to get out

00:23:21.360 and I realize not all these guys

00:23:23.620 are excellent guys

00:23:24.940 who we want moving back

00:23:26.400 to the United States, right?

00:23:28.060 But some, I think, really helped

00:23:30.000 and there doesn't seem

00:23:31.320 to have been any thoughtful process

00:23:32.820 to figure out

00:23:33.460 who do we need to stand by?

00:23:36.020 Who do we need

00:23:36.800 to fulfill our promises to?

00:23:38.680 A, because it's the moral thing to do

00:23:40.380 and B, for the reason

00:23:41.680 you just pointed out,

00:23:42.480 because we want to send a message

00:23:43.400 to others,

00:23:44.420 help the United States.

00:23:45.520 We got you.

00:23:46.120 Don't worry.

00:23:46.600 We won't abandon you.

00:23:47.720 Yeah, I mean,

00:23:48.220 that message is very clear right now

00:23:49.600 that we're not in anything

00:23:51.140 for the long haul.

00:23:52.520 We are, we're at a point now

00:23:54.100 where, you know,

00:23:54.740 people say and do stuff

00:23:55.720 just to get elected again.

00:23:57.860 Personal power.

00:23:58.840 I don't know what the,

00:23:59.960 what's going on with,

00:24:01.220 you know, with Russia and China.

00:24:02.360 Everything from,

00:24:03.260 from closing down

00:24:05.600 the Keystone Pipeline

00:24:06.500 to opening up

00:24:07.160 the Russian Pipeline.

00:24:08.960 Watching as China expands

00:24:10.220 all the way into Africa.

00:24:11.140 It's, it's almost like

00:24:12.660 we're just, we're closing our eyes

00:24:14.020 and making up stuff

00:24:14.940 to yell at each other

00:24:16.420 about when there's real problems

00:24:17.680 and real issues

00:24:18.220 that concerns all of us.

00:24:19.400 And if, if these fanatics

00:24:20.620 with their IDL,

00:24:21.840 and again, there are,

00:24:22.840 I mean, there are,

00:24:23.400 there are tons

00:24:24.040 of really good people

00:24:24.660 in Afghanistan.

00:24:25.480 But if, if these,

00:24:26.520 if these fanatics

00:24:27.780 can get here

00:24:28.380 because they train there,

00:24:29.980 they will.

00:24:30.500 And that's on all of us.

00:24:31.380 They don't care

00:24:32.040 if you're a Democrat,

00:24:32.740 Republican,

00:24:33.200 or white or black.

00:24:33.900 If you're a Westerner,

00:24:34.580 they're going to kill you.

00:24:35.280 And they're going to do it here.

00:24:36.680 And it's sad.

00:24:37.260 Yeah, well, can we talk about that?

00:24:39.060 Because Biden said,

00:24:40.500 we've got to focus,

00:24:41.680 we must focus on today's threats

00:24:43.420 like ISIS,

00:24:44.260 not threats of the past.

00:24:45.720 So he's really sort of diminishing

00:24:47.600 even Al Qaeda, right?

00:24:49.160 It wasn't exactly the Taliban

00:24:50.880 that we were worried about

00:24:51.940 that attacked us directly.

00:24:53.280 It was that they provided

00:24:54.040 a safe haven for Al Qaeda,

00:24:55.720 Bin Laden and others

00:24:56.560 to, to plot attacks.

00:24:58.260 That's why they were looped in.

00:24:59.660 That's why we went after them.

00:25:01.000 So what is he talking about?

00:25:02.700 We must focus on today's threats

00:25:04.060 like ISIS

00:25:04.540 and not threats of the past.

00:25:05.680 Well, this threat will come back.

00:25:07.480 And the Taliban at first

00:25:09.080 didn't give up Al Qaeda

00:25:10.380 because they didn't think

00:25:12.180 we were serious about coming in,

00:25:13.480 which we were.

00:25:13.980 And I've had,

00:25:14.320 I've had Taliban guys

00:25:15.320 tell me personally,

00:25:16.140 if they would have known

00:25:17.460 we were going to do,

00:25:18.260 they would have given us Al Qaeda

00:25:19.760 because you got to figure

00:25:20.620 Al Qaeda,

00:25:22.260 mainly not Afghans.

00:25:23.720 They're Pashtun,

00:25:25.240 the part that I was in.

00:25:26.520 And Al Qaeda,

00:25:27.480 like it or not,

00:25:27.940 are foreign fighters

00:25:28.640 and they don't really want them there.

00:25:29.720 But now that,

00:25:30.840 that there could have been something,

00:25:33.960 anything as far as

00:25:34.700 I disagree with negotiating

00:25:35.900 the way we did with the Taliban,

00:25:37.820 but there are ways to hand over.

00:25:40.140 If they're just going to run in

00:25:40.940 and take it,

00:25:41.460 there are ways and agreements.

00:25:42.740 I mean, agreements is a tough one

00:25:44.220 because they lie to us

00:25:45.300 as much as they can.

00:25:46.820 But now that Al Qaeda sees it

00:25:48.200 and ISIS,

00:25:49.060 I mean,

00:25:49.500 they'll just,

00:25:50.000 that flag will be flying

00:25:51.020 in Eastern Afghanistan

00:25:52.120 if it's not already.

00:25:53.800 And they,

00:25:54.440 you know,

00:25:54.580 they're hell bent on the caliphate.

00:25:55.880 They want to take

00:25:56.380 all of that land back.

00:25:58.360 They've got a base to do it now.

00:26:00.080 And it's,

00:26:00.480 you know,

00:26:00.620 it's a smaller world

00:26:01.560 than it used to be.

00:26:02.180 So it's pretty easy to get here,

00:26:03.460 especially now.

00:26:05.460 Up next,

00:26:06.560 Rob was fired up on Twitter yesterday

00:26:08.180 asking about whether

00:26:09.520 his brothers in arms

00:26:11.780 died for nothing.

00:26:13.680 That's how a lot of men

00:26:14.840 and women in the military

00:26:15.640 are feeling right now.

00:26:16.740 We'll get into some of those questions

00:26:18.320 and what Rob thinks next.

00:26:19.860 Why are we pretending

00:26:24.860 that the threat

00:26:25.640 is just suddenly gone?

00:26:26.680 We've managed to deflect it

00:26:28.160 for the past 20 years

00:26:29.020 because we've been over there

00:26:29.860 fighting,

00:26:30.700 keeping them fighting abroad.

00:26:31.760 You guys have been.

00:26:33.100 And the homeland

00:26:34.000 hasn't suffered

00:26:34.620 a major terrorist attack

00:26:35.660 during that time.

00:26:36.560 We've had some domestic attacks

00:26:37.620 launched,

00:26:38.140 but nothing on the scale

00:26:39.320 of 9-11.

00:26:41.040 And now we just want to say,

00:26:42.420 oh,

00:26:42.480 the threat's done?

00:26:43.400 But why?

00:26:44.520 I don't remember

00:26:45.120 Al Qaeda surrendering.

00:26:46.280 I don't remember

00:26:46.780 the Taliban saying,

00:26:48.520 you know,

00:26:48.700 now we feel all warm and fuzzy

00:26:50.300 not just about the Afghan people

00:26:51.740 but about the United States as well.

00:26:53.260 They're out in the streets

00:26:53.980 chanting death to America right now.

00:26:55.900 It all depends on

00:26:56.460 what a lot of media tells you.

00:26:57.660 These are the peaceful Afghans.

00:26:58.940 These are the good ones.

00:26:59.680 They're peaceful protests.

00:27:01.260 We've seen that here.

00:27:02.260 They lie to our face

00:27:03.460 when there's buildings

00:27:04.340 on fire behind them.

00:27:05.280 These are not peaceful.

00:27:06.880 And Al Qaeda and ISIS

00:27:07.940 are way worse than Antifa,

00:27:09.380 just in case anyone's wondering.

00:27:10.960 Because Al Qaeda will come to kill

00:27:12.340 and they do not discriminate

00:27:13.980 whatsoever

00:27:14.380 and they really have no souls.

00:27:16.660 They're capable of anything.

00:27:17.600 And it's just, I don't like seeing it.

00:27:19.200 It's just, it's this 24-hour news cycle

00:27:21.820 where something happens

00:27:22.540 and, you know,

00:27:22.960 look at the shiny object

00:27:23.960 and all we do is talk about that.

00:27:25.140 We yell at each other on social media

00:27:26.360 and then there's something new.

00:27:27.960 This might go away

00:27:29.180 as far as we're concerned for a while.

00:27:31.800 But it's, I mean,

00:27:32.960 it's going to be there.

00:27:33.960 And it's brewing.

00:27:35.560 We're going to hear from someone

00:27:36.720 that came from there again.

00:27:38.160 You tweeted out yesterday,

00:27:40.440 my friends who died for no reason

00:27:42.120 would be disgusted

00:27:43.040 with this administration.

00:27:44.540 What do you mean?

00:27:45.040 And it's a shame that,

00:27:47.620 I mean, it's a shame in the first place

00:27:48.880 that so many great people died

00:27:50.320 trying to get like a guy

00:27:53.080 that there are American families

00:27:55.760 don't even know the name of them,

00:27:57.000 just unnecessary missions.

00:27:58.760 And so I agree with,

00:28:00.580 that's why I didn't want

00:28:01.200 that big of a footprint there anyway,

00:28:02.660 because I did have an admiral

00:28:04.460 tell me in about 2005,

00:28:06.140 there are no IEDs in this country.

00:28:07.740 And I remember talking about the surge.

00:28:09.260 Well, you surge this many,

00:28:11.920 doesn't matter what your intentions are.

00:28:13.640 You look like an occupier

00:28:14.700 and there will be IEDs in this country.

00:28:16.320 And naturally,

00:28:17.160 because there's so many fewer roads

00:28:19.260 in Afghanistan than there's Iraq

00:28:20.720 as far as highways.

00:28:22.140 So they're going to bomb us there,

00:28:23.100 which they did.

00:28:24.100 And it just,

00:28:24.760 it frustrates me to see parents of guys

00:28:27.840 that I knew really, really well

00:28:29.020 on television talking about it.

00:28:31.140 And it's,

00:28:31.580 they've even said,

00:28:32.340 what were we going after?

00:28:33.640 When a helicopter was shot down,

00:28:34.820 who were we going after?

00:28:35.700 How important was he?

00:28:37.120 And it's just,

00:28:37.780 now that the tallow bends back

00:28:39.740 and they're turning the music off

00:28:40.920 and killing women,

00:28:42.460 it's like we never even went there.

00:28:43.880 People basically died for nothing.

00:28:46.980 Other than,

00:28:47.600 other than fighting

00:28:48.240 for the people beside them,

00:28:49.620 which is,

00:28:50.400 which is what it gets down to.

00:28:52.140 Again,

00:28:52.540 I have nothing but respect

00:28:53.920 for the men and women

00:28:54.640 who went to Afghanistan

00:28:55.480 and a lot of respect

00:28:56.980 for the men and women

00:28:57.960 that are there now.

00:28:58.800 We have it better.

00:28:59.480 They definitely have it a lot worse.

00:29:01.160 But it just,

00:29:02.120 it's,

00:29:02.860 every veteran,

00:29:04.440 combat veteran I've talked to

00:29:05.580 just feels empty.

00:29:06.880 It's,

00:29:07.040 it's,

00:29:07.260 it's sadness followed by anger

00:29:08.860 and then re-evaluation

00:29:11.160 and then retweet.

00:29:12.720 Oh my gosh.

00:29:13.980 I mean,

00:29:14.240 think about it.

00:29:14.800 That matters.

00:29:15.500 That matters.

00:29:16.180 That kind of thing

00:29:16.760 should be taken into account

00:29:17.760 by leaders like Joe Biden

00:29:19.380 when they're,

00:29:19.880 when they're making plans

00:29:20.940 and leaders like Trump too.

00:29:22.980 I mean,

00:29:23.120 I know you were critical

00:29:23.840 of his negotiating

00:29:24.760 with the Taliban

00:29:25.340 and coming up with this deal.

00:29:26.980 His defenders say

00:29:27.940 at least his planned withdrawal

00:29:29.380 was conditions based.

00:29:31.280 Biden's was explicitly

00:29:32.520 not conditions based.

00:29:34.140 I mean,

00:29:34.280 he made that very clear.

00:29:35.600 We're pulling out

00:29:36.320 no matter what you do,

00:29:37.460 Taliban.

00:29:38.060 So,

00:29:38.540 you know,

00:29:38.900 enjoy because we're

00:29:39.960 definitely leaving.

00:29:41.460 And so,

00:29:42.420 I mean,

00:29:42.620 it's almost like,

00:29:43.580 look,

00:29:43.920 there are the people

00:29:44.460 who think we should have

00:29:45.160 left forces there,

00:29:46.480 at least some healthy

00:29:47.680 residual force

00:29:48.660 like we have

00:29:49.280 in places like Japan.

00:29:51.120 And I would say

00:29:52.040 Jack Keene

00:29:52.660 and Mark Thiessen

00:29:53.260 are in that

00:29:53.760 and Andy McCarthy

00:29:54.720 are probably in that group.

00:29:56.040 We should have left

00:29:56.520 some forces there.

00:29:57.420 You don't need 15,000,

00:29:58.580 but you need a few thousand,

00:29:59.980 maybe 5,000

00:30:00.860 to keep the peace

00:30:02.320 in a region

00:30:03.180 that is important to us.

00:30:04.860 And then you have people

00:30:06.060 who are,

00:30:06.880 you know,

00:30:07.080 sort of diehard

00:30:07.700 Trump supporters

00:30:08.540 like I would say

00:30:09.300 Molly Hemingway

00:30:10.060 of the Federalists

00:30:11.420 who have said

00:30:11.860 this is a sort of

00:30:12.840 a bullshit proposition.

00:30:14.140 This was democracy building.

00:30:15.740 The military generals

00:30:16.780 had been lying to us

00:30:17.580 for years

00:30:18.040 about the strength

00:30:18.980 of the Afghan forces.

00:30:20.240 And of course,

00:30:20.800 that's been documented.

00:30:21.660 The Washington Post

00:30:22.300 had an article

00:30:23.560 on the Afghan papers

00:30:25.120 that revealed

00:30:26.140 that people like Rumsfeld

00:30:27.260 and others

00:30:27.660 had been really overstating

00:30:28.980 the rosiness

00:30:30.040 of the Afghan training

00:30:31.540 and how things

00:30:32.320 were going in Afghanistan.

00:30:33.680 Anyway,

00:30:33.880 those people are like,

00:30:34.560 just out.

00:30:35.180 We're out.

00:30:35.640 You know,

00:30:35.840 it's done.

00:30:37.260 And then you have

00:30:38.060 the other people

00:30:38.620 who are maybe

00:30:39.720 in one of those two camps,

00:30:41.480 but whatever your position is,

00:30:43.680 are upset about

00:30:44.680 the way we did it, right?

00:30:45.780 I think most people

00:30:46.580 are upset about

00:30:47.420 what happened

00:30:48.100 over the past 72 hours,

00:30:49.780 how Biden handled

00:30:50.640 the withdrawal.

00:30:51.540 So I don't know

00:30:53.060 what the answer is.

00:30:53.900 You know,

00:30:54.000 I'm not sure exactly

00:30:54.940 what the answer is,

00:30:56.280 but I do think

00:30:56.900 that the withdrawal

00:30:57.720 and what we've seen

00:30:58.380 over the past

00:30:58.940 three, four days

00:31:00.260 is an indelible stain

00:31:01.620 on Joe Biden's legacy.

00:31:03.540 And I think

00:31:03.880 it's embarrassed

00:31:04.660 America

00:31:06.040 in a way

00:31:07.060 that will invite

00:31:08.240 further attacks

00:31:09.240 and has actually

00:31:10.500 endangered

00:31:10.960 the security

00:31:12.040 of the American people.

00:31:13.460 What do you think?

00:31:14.460 I, yeah,

00:31:14.980 we're more unsafe

00:31:16.480 today than we were yesterday.

00:31:18.100 And if this will be

00:31:19.540 a stain on his legacy

00:31:20.780 and it should be,

00:31:21.500 this is a,

00:31:22.080 this is a big mistake.

00:31:23.200 Yeah, I mean,

00:31:23.600 we,

00:31:24.500 like I said,

00:31:25.380 well,

00:31:26.180 they're going to send

00:31:27.080 another couple thousand

00:31:28.040 troops in there right now.

00:31:29.320 So, you know,

00:31:29.940 we took them out,

00:31:30.900 sent them back in.

00:31:32.240 It's going to be harder

00:31:33.020 because they're going

00:31:33.380 to be embedded

00:31:33.860 and they have our bases

00:31:34.600 and our weapons now.

00:31:36.100 But I mean,

00:31:36.880 more Americans

00:31:37.420 are going to fight.

00:31:37.940 If we're going to get

00:31:38.380 those Americans

00:31:38.960 out of Kabul right now,

00:31:40.120 some Americans

00:31:40.720 are going to have

00:31:41.240 to fight again.

00:31:41.980 And that's men and women

00:31:42.760 from the United States

00:31:44.000 with blood on the ground again.

00:31:45.340 And it's sad to see it.

00:31:47.200 But a lot of times,

00:31:48.040 you know,

00:31:48.740 it is,

00:31:49.340 it's not as cut and dry again

00:31:50.800 as people want it to be.

00:31:54.300 But yeah,

00:31:54.560 I mean,

00:31:54.780 there are a lot of people

00:31:56.260 that are not telling politicians

00:31:57.460 and the public the truth

00:31:58.260 about what's going on

00:31:59.100 on the ground.

00:32:00.020 I've heard,

00:32:00.800 there's a,

00:32:01.560 you know,

00:32:01.820 there's hundreds of thousands

00:32:03.080 of different experiences.

00:32:04.340 I just know what I've seen.

00:32:05.360 Not there now,

00:32:06.540 but I think,

00:32:07.120 yeah,

00:32:07.300 I think we're unsafe.

00:32:08.440 The president on 9-11,

00:32:10.980 2001 was George W. Bush.

00:32:14.020 You talked about him saying,

00:32:16.280 and you remembering

00:32:17.340 when you were off

00:32:18.320 to kill bin Laden,

00:32:20.260 President George W. Bush

00:32:21.620 saying freedom itself

00:32:23.060 was attacked this morning

00:32:24.000 by a faceless coward

00:32:25.000 and freedom will be defended.

00:32:27.960 How do you view that comment,

00:32:29.620 that commitment right now?

00:32:33.340 The commitment,

00:32:34.100 yeah,

00:32:34.260 the commitment's not there

00:32:34.980 because no one really

00:32:35.560 has a stomach for it.

00:32:36.300 We have been there

00:32:36.820 for a long,

00:32:37.360 long time.

00:32:38.220 And I just,

00:32:38.920 I think that this,

00:32:40.540 a lot of,

00:32:41.300 there's a lot of factors here,

00:32:43.000 but one is we've let

00:32:44.340 political correctness

00:32:45.360 become the most important thing

00:32:46.520 in everything,

00:32:47.020 including our military.

00:32:47.640 And we're just taking

00:32:48.740 our eyes off the ball.

00:32:50.120 It's to fight.

00:32:51.400 You know,

00:32:51.820 Marines don't need

00:32:52.420 to build schools.

00:32:53.080 They need to break things

00:32:53.760 and kill people.

00:32:54.900 And,

00:32:55.120 you know,

00:32:55.440 we had it in us

00:32:56.160 and we kicked everybody's butts

00:32:58.120 when we started.

00:32:59.800 We started worrying

00:33:00.940 about everything else

00:33:01.600 and we started worrying

00:33:02.420 about social experimentation.

00:33:04.020 We just,

00:33:04.920 we've taken,

00:33:05.660 we don't remember

00:33:06.600 what's important

00:33:07.260 and then if something

00:33:08.080 is the truth,

00:33:09.260 we'll just lie to each other

00:33:10.200 so we feel better.

00:33:11.320 And we're basing everything

00:33:12.260 off politics and emotion

00:33:13.380 instead of facts.

00:33:14.400 People don't like to hear facts.

00:33:15.360 You can get banned

00:33:15.860 from social media

00:33:16.400 for saying the truth.

00:33:18.060 Yeah.

00:33:18.760 And,

00:33:19.220 and what about our generals,

00:33:21.920 Rob?

00:33:22.140 Because I've,

00:33:22.860 I've seen you ask,

00:33:24.780 has anyone resigned yet?

00:33:25.940 Anyone at all?

00:33:26.860 You know,

00:33:27.020 I mean,

00:33:27.840 why do you think

00:33:28.360 that's necessary

00:33:28.940 and who specifically

00:33:29.720 do you think

00:33:30.320 needs to step down?

00:33:31.900 I'm just disappointed

00:33:32.800 with the,

00:33:33.200 with the highest level

00:33:34.380 of general officers

00:33:35.240 and admirals

00:33:35.760 in the Pentagon

00:33:36.460 who are just

00:33:37.980 towing the party line

00:33:39.340 because they want that job

00:33:40.400 at a contracting place

00:33:41.680 in two years.

00:33:42.760 Keep them,

00:33:43.460 you know,

00:33:43.660 they just,

00:33:44.520 people have a tendency

00:33:45.400 to lie to their boss

00:33:46.220 to make them happy

00:33:46.840 and there's a lot

00:33:47.460 of that going around.

00:33:48.100 I know enlisted guys

00:33:49.020 that called,

00:33:49.660 called the Pentagon,

00:33:51.280 the five-sided wind tunnel

00:33:52.780 because all it is

00:33:53.400 is wind going around.

00:33:54.780 You know,

00:33:55.240 with obviously

00:33:55.800 a lot of taxpayer money

00:33:56.680 they can just waste

00:33:57.360 because it's not theirs.

00:33:58.800 I think that we need

00:34:00.240 to try something new.

00:34:01.040 We haven't been able

00:34:01.640 to win a war

00:34:02.180 since World War II

00:34:02.980 and I think that,

00:34:04.420 what that means is

00:34:05.040 if you get to a certain level,

00:34:07.260 you shouldn't be making decisions

00:34:08.380 without advisors

00:34:09.300 who have at least

00:34:10.080 been on the ground

00:34:10.640 telling you the truth.

00:34:11.740 I think the chairman

00:34:12.660 of the Joint Chief

00:34:13.580 should be an old floor,

00:34:14.780 a major or lieutenant commander

00:34:16.220 instead of a four-star general

00:34:17.560 and not because,

00:34:18.760 I mean,

00:34:19.040 most generals I've met,

00:34:20.820 I love.

00:34:21.720 I mean,

00:34:22.220 really,

00:34:22.940 I think everyone wants

00:34:24.080 to do a good job

00:34:24.680 but you get to a certain point

00:34:26.120 and you get used

00:34:26.600 to the good old boy network

00:34:27.640 and just start promoting people

00:34:29.080 because you know them

00:34:29.860 and whatever.

00:34:30.380 It's just,

00:34:30.940 again,

00:34:32.300 loss of focus,

00:34:33.140 loss of leadership

00:34:34.760 and complete loss

00:34:37.360 of humility.

00:34:38.460 Wait,

00:34:38.940 did you say

00:34:39.380 that you think

00:34:39.840 the chairman

00:34:40.280 of the Joint Chief

00:34:40.760 should be a what?

00:34:42.280 An O-4,

00:34:43.200 a junior officer,

00:34:46.780 like,

00:34:47.060 you know,

00:34:47.240 it's an O-1 through O-10,

00:34:48.740 an O-4,

00:34:49.620 who's been on the ground,

00:34:51.020 who knows the leadership skills,

00:34:52.440 at least advising.

00:34:53.760 I just think

00:34:54.220 it's time for something new.

00:34:55.120 You need to have

00:34:55.620 the captains

00:34:56.640 and majors in there.

00:34:58.160 What do you think about,

00:34:59.460 I mean,

00:35:00.020 what do you think

00:35:00.440 about General Milley?

00:35:02.060 Well,

00:35:02.460 he should,

00:35:02.860 he has an extreme egg

00:35:03.740 on his face.

00:35:04.440 He won't resign though

00:35:05.140 because again,

00:35:05.940 at that level,

00:35:06.460 they just don't care.

00:35:07.800 Yes.

00:35:09.440 Why?

00:35:10.760 This is a failure.

00:35:11.800 This is one of the biggest failures

00:35:13.180 in the history of the country.

00:35:14.020 He's the senior officer.

00:35:16.320 You know,

00:35:16.700 Biden said the buck stops here.

00:35:17.900 He should have very least

00:35:19.460 be firing people

00:35:20.240 because someone gave him

00:35:21.460 bad advice at some point

00:35:22.540 and they all look like wimps.

00:35:25.840 I don't know.

00:35:26.740 I mean,

00:35:27.000 who knows what happened,

00:35:28.580 but what I read in the papers

00:35:29.640 is that Milley

00:35:31.160 and Lloyd Austin,

00:35:32.740 the Secretary of Defense,

00:35:33.620 went to him and said,

00:35:34.680 dude,

00:35:35.120 not a good idea.

00:35:36.600 This is not,

00:35:37.140 don't set September 11th

00:35:38.640 as the withdrawal date.

00:35:39.860 That's the last thing

00:35:40.520 you want to do.

00:35:41.540 You're basically giving

00:35:42.440 the Taliban a photo op.

00:35:44.160 You think you're giving it

00:35:44.860 to yourself.

00:35:45.500 That's what Biden thought

00:35:46.360 that he's going to have

00:35:47.300 some sort of a victory lap

00:35:48.360 on that day.

00:35:49.060 In fact,

00:35:49.420 it was exactly the opposite,

00:35:50.480 which was foreseeable

00:35:51.200 and that he overruled them.

00:35:52.740 Now,

00:35:52.840 I don't know whether

00:35:53.580 that's true or not,

00:35:54.560 but it's Biden's fault

00:35:57.240 or it's Milley's fault.

00:35:59.340 Well,

00:35:59.400 it's somebody's fault

00:36:00.040 and they don't seem to care.

00:36:02.100 If we screw up like this

00:36:03.200 on the ground,

00:36:03.640 we either die

00:36:04.080 or get fired,

00:36:05.300 but they keep

00:36:06.300 their same parking spot.

00:36:09.120 Can I just ask you this

00:36:10.120 before we wrap,

00:36:11.120 Rob?

00:36:12.800 How,

00:36:13.360 like,

00:36:13.820 what are you feeling,

00:36:14.880 right?

00:36:15.060 Because you,

00:36:15.840 today I feel,

00:36:16.760 what I hear from you

00:36:17.760 is sort of resignation

00:36:18.440 in your voice,

00:36:19.460 like disgust,

00:36:21.440 a bond with your brothers

00:36:23.880 who fought in arms,

00:36:26.020 just frustration

00:36:26.940 with the leaders

00:36:27.880 who are over the troops,

00:36:29.360 but you explain it to me

00:36:31.360 because today to me

00:36:32.520 you sound,

00:36:33.020 you sound very frustrated

00:36:34.620 and I don't blame you on that,

00:36:35.880 but I want you to explain it.

00:36:37.920 Very,

00:36:38.220 very angry all weekend

00:36:39.500 watching this happen.

00:36:40.640 I,

00:36:40.900 and I'm sure my social media

00:36:42.060 reflects that.

00:36:43.360 Um,

00:36:44.080 sad at the same time,

00:36:45.440 but angry.

00:36:45.980 I was actually with

00:36:47.040 a few veterans,

00:36:48.240 uh,

00:36:48.520 army and,

00:36:49.080 uh,

00:36:49.540 another two,

00:36:50.380 two other Navy sales too.

00:36:51.380 I just complete disgust.

00:36:52.820 Uh,

00:36:53.220 it's almost like,

00:36:54.020 uh,

00:36:54.320 you know,

00:36:54.540 the wind taking out of your sails.

00:36:55.820 Um,

00:36:56.620 my,

00:36:57.540 a great majority of my life

00:36:59.340 was in the Navy

00:37:00.080 and,

00:37:00.620 and that was my job.

00:37:02.000 I know it doesn't matter,

00:37:04.080 you know,

00:37:04.260 we're out now,

00:37:04.720 but I know a lot of kids

00:37:05.620 who are never going to see

00:37:06.680 their dads again

00:37:07.220 because they didn't come home.

00:37:07.980 And it's just,

00:37:08.680 it's just almost a lack of respect

00:37:10.280 for everyone involved

00:37:12.020 and watching politics

00:37:14.080 and political correctness

00:37:15.160 take over.

00:37:15.840 And this is what happens.

00:37:16.840 You want to be weak.

00:37:17.760 There are people that are strong

00:37:18.860 and,

00:37:19.500 and you can lose to them

00:37:20.420 if you give a,

00:37:21.240 give them an inch.

00:37:21.740 That's,

00:37:22.160 it's just,

00:37:22.760 it's,

00:37:23.020 it's a,

00:37:23.200 it's a sad week.

00:37:23.880 It's going to continue to be like this

00:37:25.180 for the rest of,

00:37:25.860 for a while.

00:37:27.640 I mean,

00:37:28.120 I have to tell you,

00:37:28.980 I understand all of that,

00:37:31.140 but as a citizen,

00:37:32.480 I think most of us

00:37:33.700 are still so grateful

00:37:34.920 to the troops

00:37:35.560 for all the sacrifice

00:37:37.300 that was made on those fields.

00:37:38.860 Men like you who went in

00:37:40.000 and did take out bin Laden

00:37:41.080 and did keep us safe

00:37:42.280 for those 20 years

00:37:43.060 and stopped a massive terror attack

00:37:44.440 from happening on U.S. soil.

00:37:45.840 It wasn't all for naught.

00:37:47.520 I don't know

00:37:48.160 if you can say we lost.

00:37:49.380 I really don't know.

00:37:50.200 I know that that's the headline.

00:37:51.440 We've lost.

00:37:52.780 We didn't end it well.

00:37:54.720 We didn't end it gracefully

00:37:56.260 or with honor,

00:37:57.080 but what happened over there,

00:37:59.620 I don't know how you can describe it

00:38:00.860 as a loss

00:38:01.660 given that you kept us safe

00:38:03.540 for 20 years.

00:38:04.640 Well,

00:38:04.840 yeah,

00:38:05.140 it's,

00:38:05.480 it's,

00:38:05.700 I guess it's,

00:38:06.400 the Taliban are going to announce

00:38:08.220 that we lost

00:38:08.940 and a lot of news outlets

00:38:11.000 are going to pick that up

00:38:11.740 because it's a,

00:38:12.260 it's a big upset.

00:38:13.700 If,

00:38:14.060 I mean,

00:38:14.840 I can't remember a time

00:38:16.380 on the ground losing

00:38:17.940 and our troops,

00:38:19.120 our soldiers

00:38:19.620 and Marines don't lose.

00:38:22.080 But,

00:38:22.600 you know,

00:38:22.760 people do get killed

00:38:23.440 because a bullet

00:38:24.440 needs to be right once.

00:38:26.000 And we just,

00:38:26.740 I've seen,

00:38:27.020 I've seen that a lot

00:38:27.740 and it's just,

00:38:28.500 it,

00:38:29.520 what is it,

00:38:30.180 what is a win though?

00:38:30.940 We won when we,

00:38:31.680 we won when we killed Al-Qaeda.

00:38:33.740 We won when we killed Bin Laden.

00:38:35.380 More people pop up,

00:38:36.180 we'll just go kill them.

00:38:36.920 That's,

00:38:37.260 you know,

00:38:37.400 we killed Abu Bakr,

00:38:38.260 al-Baghdadi.

00:38:39.120 Army did that.

00:38:41.020 I wish I had an answer.

00:38:42.860 And it was,

00:38:43.220 I mean,

00:38:43.400 the answer would be,

00:38:44.220 what's all this fighting about?

00:38:45.240 What are we all really doing?

00:38:46.700 But again,

00:38:47.480 it's a,

00:38:48.000 it's a man-made ideology.

00:38:49.300 They hate us.

00:38:50.120 They'll always hate us.

00:38:50.960 And it's just knowing them

00:38:52.540 and spending so much of my time,

00:38:54.360 my life away from my kids

00:38:55.820 for this is just,

00:38:57.820 it's just,

00:38:58.620 it's,

00:38:58.880 it's,

00:38:59.220 it feels gross.

00:39:00.920 Yeah.

00:39:01.260 The troops deserved better

00:39:02.600 and our Afghan allies deserve better,

00:39:04.660 but the troops deserved

00:39:06.340 a better ending than this.

00:39:09.060 And it's not the end.

00:39:10.140 That's what you and I both know.

00:39:11.200 It isn't,

00:39:11.780 it isn't by far.

00:39:12.660 Gosh,

00:39:12.920 I'm so,

00:39:13.420 so grateful for your service

00:39:14.860 and that of all of your comrades.

00:39:17.600 Rob,

00:39:17.780 thanks for being back with us.

00:39:19.320 Thank you for having me.

00:39:20.260 Always good to talk to you.

00:39:22.140 Up next,

00:39:22.900 we're going to be joined by Rick Grinnell,

00:39:24.500 the former acting director

00:39:26.640 of national intelligence under Trump.

00:39:28.520 What does he think about this situation

00:39:30.940 and who should resign?

00:39:33.060 We'll get to that in one minute,

00:39:34.320 but first I want to bring you a feature here

00:39:36.300 called Sound Up.

00:39:37.980 And this is where we have some sound

00:39:39.400 that we think you need to hear.

00:39:41.200 And today it's funny

00:39:42.880 because Steve Krakauer,

00:39:44.480 my executive producer sent this to me

00:39:45.840 and you know who else thought

00:39:46.700 this would be a good addition for Sound Up?

00:39:48.200 Mr. Doug Brunt,

00:39:49.620 my husband.

00:39:50.200 So Steve,

00:39:50.620 you and Doug have the same taste,

00:39:52.260 which explains a lot.

00:39:55.560 Today,

00:39:56.560 the sound is from Nicole Wallace of MSNBC,

00:39:59.000 a former Republican political operative

00:40:00.980 turned anti-Trump,

00:40:02.620 hard anti-Trump,

00:40:03.700 anti-Republican pundit,

00:40:05.800 turned supposed news host

00:40:07.240 on the cable news network MS.

00:40:09.060 Oh, sure.

00:40:09.480 I mean,

00:40:09.680 like if this is a journalist,

00:40:11.360 like,

00:40:12.000 okay,

00:40:12.420 I'm the president of Afghanistan.

00:40:15.100 She gave her assessment

00:40:17.340 of Joe Biden's speech

00:40:18.660 and guess what?

00:40:19.780 She absolutely loved it.

00:40:21.580 And not just her,

00:40:22.880 she wants us to know

00:40:23.720 that you loved it too.

00:40:25.680 Listen.

00:40:26.100 95% of the American people

00:40:28.060 will agree with everything

00:40:29.260 he just said.

00:40:31.060 95% of the press

00:40:32.580 covering this White House

00:40:33.760 will disagree.

00:40:35.100 And for an American president

00:40:37.440 to finally be completely aligned

00:40:41.080 with such an overwhelming majority

00:40:43.280 of what the American people

00:40:44.560 think about Afghanistan

00:40:45.780 is probably a tremendous relief

00:40:48.560 to the American people.

00:40:50.420 She's an idiot.

00:40:51.800 I'm sorry,

00:40:52.440 but this woman is an idiot.

00:40:53.560 God,

00:40:53.880 everything she says is dumb.

00:40:56.120 No wonder she was spearheading

00:40:57.820 the Sarah Palin operation.

00:40:59.320 I mean,

00:40:59.500 I'm sorry,

00:41:00.080 but with all due respect,

00:41:01.880 whatever you think of Sarah Palin,

00:41:03.020 she should not have been on that ticket.

00:41:04.560 She's wrong again.

00:41:05.760 All right.

00:41:06.140 In fact,

00:41:06.580 according to a new political poll,

00:41:08.540 25% of Americans,

00:41:09.860 just 25% think the withdrawal

00:41:11.700 in Afghanistan is going well

00:41:13.040 and less than half

00:41:14.380 support the withdrawal.

00:41:15.840 Less than half now

00:41:16.980 down 20 points from April.

00:41:19.200 So we were talking about this yesterday,

00:41:20.780 right?

00:41:21.000 Like the American public.

00:41:22.160 Yes,

00:41:22.580 they,

00:41:23.060 they were in large numbers,

00:41:25.840 overwhelmingly in favor

00:41:27.460 of pulling the troops

00:41:28.580 from Afghanistan.

00:41:29.600 But the thing,

00:41:30.540 Nicole,

00:41:30.840 about reporting the news

00:41:31.980 is that before you make

00:41:33.460 sweeping statements

00:41:34.440 like the one you just said,

00:41:36.160 that 95% of the public

00:41:37.540 is going to agree

00:41:38.280 with everything he said,

00:41:39.200 you should actually see

00:41:40.140 whether the numbers have changed,

00:41:41.660 right?

00:41:41.900 You should actually check yourself.

00:41:43.400 And there was a political poll,

00:41:44.700 just a political reporting,

00:41:46.380 a poll just yesterday

00:41:47.460 that now,

00:41:49.500 where it stands now

00:41:50.380 is,

00:41:51.260 let's see,

00:41:52.320 I want to get you the numbers.

00:41:53.760 49% support the withdrawal,

00:41:55.840 which is down from 69%

00:41:57.460 in April.

00:41:59.020 69% of Democrats

00:42:00.840 still support it.

00:42:02.020 But guess what?

00:42:03.120 Republicans,

00:42:03.740 only 31% of them

00:42:04.860 still support withdrawal.

00:42:05.640 Only 31%.

00:42:06.640 But in MSNBC

00:42:08.060 and Nicole Wallace's world,

00:42:09.860 that's 95%.

00:42:11.140 If you've got 69% of Dems,

00:42:13.220 you've got 95%

00:42:14.240 of the population.

00:42:15.220 That's how their math works.

00:42:17.260 38% of Democrats

00:42:18.700 think the withdrawal

00:42:19.640 is going well.

00:42:20.660 Do they really?

00:42:21.140 I'm surprised it's even that high.

00:42:22.540 Only 14% of Republicans

00:42:23.900 think the withdrawal

00:42:24.700 is going well.

00:42:26.540 And then when asked

00:42:27.800 if the withdrawal

00:42:28.540 creates opportunities

00:42:29.540 for groups like Al-Qaeda

00:42:30.600 to establish operations

00:42:32.240 in Afghanistan,

00:42:33.020 do you support it?

00:42:34.180 Only 35% say,

00:42:35.620 yes, I still support it.

00:42:37.300 Only 35%.

00:42:38.360 All right,

00:42:38.620 so Nicole Wallace

00:42:39.460 doesn't, as usual,

00:42:40.380 know what the hell

00:42:41.080 she's talking about.

00:42:42.540 Yet another reason

00:42:43.180 not to watch

00:42:43.700 that hideous channel,

00:42:45.200 which is indistinguishable

00:42:46.340 from CNN.

00:42:47.500 Although I will say

00:42:48.320 CNN has been doing

00:42:49.700 good work on this story

00:42:51.040 through people

00:42:52.100 like Jake Tapper.

00:42:53.300 I don't know

00:42:53.540 if I'll vouch

00:42:54.160 for the rest of the lineup,

00:42:55.160 but Jake's been

00:42:56.040 doing a good job.

00:42:57.000 And Jake is,

00:42:58.120 I wouldn't call him

00:42:58.780 a Trump supporter,

00:42:59.440 but he's far less partisan

00:43:00.320 than the rest of the guys

00:43:01.300 on that channel.

00:43:02.760 If I'm going to turn

00:43:03.780 on CNN,

00:43:04.320 which I really don't,

00:43:05.520 I would only turn

00:43:06.540 on his show.

00:43:07.540 Okay, anyway,

00:43:08.380 that's the kind of analysis

00:43:09.320 you're going to get

00:43:09.780 on MSNBC

00:43:10.380 and probably why

00:43:11.060 you don't watch it.

00:43:11.800 So you stick with us

00:43:12.920 and we'll bring you

00:43:13.780 the news fair and balanced,

00:43:15.240 truly fair and balanced,

00:43:16.580 and we will keep

00:43:17.440 bringing it to you

00:43:18.200 in the form of

00:43:19.220 segments like Sound Up

00:43:20.780 to Rick in one second

00:43:22.180 for first this.

00:43:27.840 Rick Grinnell,

00:43:28.500 thank you so much

00:43:29.080 for being with us today.

00:43:30.380 Thanks, Megan.

00:43:30.840 Can I start with this?

00:43:32.680 Mike Allen of Axios

00:43:34.040 has like a daily newsletter

00:43:36.320 and he began it this morning

00:43:38.520 with a picture of that,

00:43:39.520 of that C-17 aircraft

00:43:41.480 and hundreds of desperate Afghans

00:43:43.520 running alongside it

00:43:44.540 as it took off from Kabul

00:43:45.580 and says,

00:43:46.420 and I quote,

00:43:46.940 this is the defining image

00:43:48.040 of the exit debacle

00:43:49.360 and many Democrats fear

00:43:51.460 Joe Biden's presidency.

00:43:53.840 That image is searing

00:43:55.440 as,

00:43:56.460 as sort of the,

00:43:58.000 the ultimate tell

00:43:59.220 of how we abandon

00:44:00.380 our allies in Afghanistan.

00:44:01.520 We abandon our mission

00:44:02.620 in Afghanistan

00:44:03.220 and it was done

00:44:04.520 in a way that

00:44:05.200 has been almost

00:44:06.320 universally condemned.

00:44:07.640 Your thoughts

00:44:08.260 on where we are today now,

00:44:09.560 less than 24 hours

00:44:10.580 after Biden attempted

00:44:11.500 to defend himself

00:44:12.560 by saying,

00:44:13.400 the buck stops with me

00:44:14.320 after blaming virtually

00:44:15.640 everyone other

00:44:16.800 than himself.

00:44:17.700 The images are haunting

00:44:19.920 and I think the images

00:44:21.180 are also

00:44:22.260 simple images

00:44:24.100 for the Americans

00:44:25.080 to understand.

00:44:25.700 you know,

00:44:25.980 we have a lot

00:44:26.480 of busy Americans

00:44:27.420 who don't always

00:44:28.600 pay attention

00:44:29.380 to the details

00:44:30.240 of foreign policy

00:44:31.300 but when you see

00:44:32.980 a,

00:44:33.660 an aircraft,

00:44:36.380 U.S. military aircraft

00:44:37.680 taking off

00:44:38.480 and it's clearly dangerous,

00:44:41.360 the video is,

00:44:42.400 is scary

00:44:44.240 from the moment

00:44:45.460 you start watching it

00:44:46.720 but then to see

00:44:48.300 Afghans literally

00:44:49.620 clinging to the airplane

00:44:51.040 as it takes off

00:44:52.740 and then dropping

00:44:54.080 from the sky

00:44:55.140 is barbaric

00:44:56.480 and it shouldn't

00:44:57.480 be happening

00:44:58.040 and it certainly

00:44:58.680 shouldn't be happening

00:44:59.560 at an airport

00:45:01.100 that the Americans

00:45:02.120 can,

00:45:02.520 can easily

00:45:04.300 make safe

00:45:06.700 and we just,

00:45:08.440 we had a debacle

00:45:09.500 and I think

00:45:10.180 it's a rush job

00:45:11.120 from Joe Biden.

00:45:12.960 We all know

00:45:13.880 that the criticism

00:45:15.680 of Joe Biden

00:45:16.400 has been loud

00:45:18.600 not only on this

00:45:20.100 particular issue

00:45:21.040 but a lot of people

00:45:22.500 have thought

00:45:23.000 for decades

00:45:24.020 that he's always

00:45:24.980 been on the wrong

00:45:25.680 side of foreign

00:45:26.880 policy issues.

00:45:28.420 You could go

00:45:29.220 through a laundry list

00:45:30.200 of where he's

00:45:30.800 been wrong

00:45:31.300 and now we see

00:45:32.520 the consequences

00:45:33.300 when he's totally

00:45:34.180 in charge

00:45:34.880 before I think

00:45:36.080 as a senator

00:45:36.620 he just was voting

00:45:37.780 the wrong way

00:45:38.700 and speaking out

00:45:40.180 in terms that

00:45:41.400 were not helpful

00:45:42.540 but now

00:45:43.240 that he's

00:45:44.160 the implementer

00:45:45.160 we see the

00:45:46.240 disastrous effects

00:45:47.380 of his policies.

00:45:48.620 The buck

00:45:50.060 actually does

00:45:50.800 stop with him

00:45:51.480 whether he blames

00:45:52.300 others or not

00:45:52.900 it does stop

00:45:53.460 with him

00:45:53.740 and he will

00:45:54.120 be held to account

00:45:54.920 in the viewpoint

00:45:55.940 of the American

00:45:56.460 people.

00:45:57.260 I mean that's

00:45:57.680 sort of our

00:45:58.160 history has

00:45:58.880 proven that

00:46:00.200 when you have

00:46:00.700 a foreign policy

00:46:01.360 debacle like this

00:46:02.220 the people

00:46:02.840 will generally

00:46:03.400 hold the

00:46:04.060 commander-in-chief

00:46:04.760 accountable

00:46:05.760 responsible for it

00:46:06.920 but what he

00:46:08.380 essentially did

00:46:09.840 on Monday

00:46:10.800 was to point

00:46:11.560 the finger

00:46:12.020 at Trump

00:46:12.800 and the Afghan

00:46:13.880 army

00:46:14.320 and let's

00:46:15.680 talk about that

00:46:16.260 as somebody

00:46:16.560 who worked

00:46:16.900 for the Trump

00:46:17.280 administration

00:46:17.840 let's talk

00:46:19.040 about whether

00:46:19.520 this is

00:46:20.420 Trump's fault

00:46:21.220 because here's

00:46:21.920 how here was

00:46:22.820 Biden with

00:46:23.360 some finger

00:46:23.780 pointing yesterday

00:46:25.100 and explaining

00:46:25.920 how we got

00:46:26.400 here.

00:46:26.900 When I came

00:46:27.280 into office

00:46:27.880 I inherited

00:46:28.680 a deal

00:46:29.140 that President

00:46:29.640 Trump negotiated

00:46:30.640 with the Taliban

00:46:31.360 there was no

00:46:32.320 agreement protecting

00:46:33.280 our forces

00:46:33.920 after May 1

00:46:34.860 there was no

00:46:36.180 status quo

00:46:37.260 of stability

00:46:38.320 without American

00:46:39.220 casualties

00:46:39.860 Afghanistan

00:46:40.760 political leaders

00:46:41.820 gave up

00:46:42.500 and fled the

00:46:43.840 country

00:46:44.220 the Afghan

00:46:45.300 military

00:46:45.740 collapsed

00:46:46.420 we gave

00:46:47.660 them every

00:46:48.260 chance

00:46:48.800 to determine

00:46:49.840 their own

00:46:50.180 future

00:46:50.580 we could

00:46:51.680 not provide

00:46:52.260 them

00:46:52.580 was the will

00:46:53.760 to fight

00:46:54.400 for that

00:46:54.780 future

00:46:55.180 we talked

00:46:56.140 extensively

00:46:56.640 about the

00:46:57.080 need for

00:46:57.400 Afghan leaders

00:46:58.080 to unite

00:46:58.580 politically

00:46:59.080 they fail

00:47:00.060 to do

00:47:00.320 any of that

00:47:01.060 Mr. Ghani

00:47:02.500 insisted

00:47:03.620 the Afghan

00:47:04.300 forces would

00:47:05.060 fight

00:47:05.440 but obviously

00:47:06.400 he was wrong

00:47:07.080 I know

00:47:07.780 there are

00:47:08.120 concerns

00:47:08.520 about why

00:47:09.240 we did

00:47:09.660 not begin

00:47:10.160 evacuating

00:47:10.900 Afghan civilians

00:47:12.100 civilians

00:47:12.900 sooner

00:47:13.300 part of

00:47:14.240 the answer

00:47:14.700 is some

00:47:15.980 of the

00:47:16.200 Afghans

00:47:16.760 did not

00:47:17.480 want to

00:47:17.940 leave earlier

00:47:18.480 still hopeful

00:47:19.640 for their

00:47:20.560 country

00:47:20.960 and part

00:47:22.040 of it

00:47:22.320 because the

00:47:22.860 Afghan

00:47:23.240 government

00:47:23.740 and its

00:47:24.480 supporters

00:47:24.940 discouraged

00:47:25.480 us from

00:47:25.980 organizing

00:47:26.500 a mass

00:47:26.960 exodus

00:47:27.340 to avoid

00:47:28.320 triggering

00:47:28.860 as they

00:47:29.300 said

00:47:29.700 a crisis

00:47:30.700 of confidence

00:47:31.840 so let's

00:47:32.700 start with

00:47:32.980 that it

00:47:33.320 was Trump's

00:47:33.760 fault

00:47:34.020 because Trump

00:47:34.580 was the

00:47:35.000 one who

00:47:35.300 negotiated

00:47:35.700 the deal

00:47:36.080 for us

00:47:36.440 to withdraw

00:47:36.840 our troops

00:47:37.580 was supposed

00:47:38.000 to be

00:47:38.240 by May

00:47:38.780 Biden

00:47:39.180 decided to

00:47:39.840 extend

00:47:40.240 it to

00:47:40.660 over the

00:47:41.580 summer

00:47:41.820 which is

00:47:42.140 the peak

00:47:42.480 fighting

00:47:42.820 time

00:47:43.120 for the

00:47:43.380 Taliban

00:47:43.740 makes no

00:47:45.180 sense

00:47:45.440 but let's

00:47:45.840 just focus

00:47:46.280 on that

00:47:47.080 that Trump's

00:47:47.560 the one

00:47:47.760 who struck

00:47:48.100 this deal

00:47:48.560 Biden

00:47:48.880 was just

00:47:49.200 enforcing

00:47:49.620 it

00:47:49.800 well let's

00:47:50.400 talk about

00:47:50.880 what Joe

00:47:51.540 Biden

00:47:51.840 did

00:47:52.180 inherit

00:47:52.600 he inherited

00:47:53.340 a stable

00:47:54.040 Afghanistan

00:47:54.920 he inherited

00:47:56.400 a situation

00:47:57.940 where no

00:47:58.920 U.S.

00:48:00.000 soldier has

00:48:00.540 been lost

00:48:01.100 on the

00:48:01.380 battlefield

00:48:01.760 since 2020

00:48:02.600 and the

00:48:04.600 the American

00:48:05.860 people's

00:48:06.760 desire

00:48:07.360 to have

00:48:08.500 this

00:48:08.880 20-year

00:48:09.860 war

00:48:10.400 end

00:48:10.920 had

00:48:12.240 a

00:48:12.820 negotiated

00:48:13.560 settlement

00:48:14.020 I don't

00:48:15.340 buy

00:48:15.760 any

00:48:16.400 of

00:48:16.620 this

00:48:16.900 that

00:48:17.180 somehow

00:48:17.580 Joe

00:48:18.040 Biden

00:48:18.420 is

00:48:19.240 trapped

00:48:20.160 into

00:48:21.080 exactly

00:48:22.100 Donald

00:48:22.500 Trump's

00:48:22.980 policies

00:48:23.540 and then

00:48:23.980 when they

00:48:24.260 go wrong

00:48:24.860 he suddenly

00:48:25.620 says oh

00:48:26.300 well that's

00:48:27.000 Donald

00:48:27.220 Trump's

00:48:27.600 fault

00:48:27.880 and look

00:48:28.620 at the

00:48:29.140 southern

00:48:29.580 border

00:48:30.020 look at

00:48:31.260 you know

00:48:32.340 the Paris

00:48:33.080 climate

00:48:33.480 accord

00:48:33.860 there's a

00:48:34.240 whole list

00:48:34.680 of things

00:48:35.120 that Joe

00:48:35.540 Biden

00:48:35.840 decided to

00:48:36.900 change

00:48:37.220 and do

00:48:37.460 something

00:48:37.740 different

00:48:38.140 when he

00:48:39.040 got into

00:48:39.380 office

00:48:39.640 which is

00:48:40.020 his

00:48:40.180 right

00:48:41.260 but to

00:48:43.360 somehow

00:48:43.800 pick and

00:48:44.440 choose

00:48:44.740 to say

00:48:45.480 well this

00:48:45.980 is the

00:48:46.440 policy

00:48:46.840 that was

00:48:47.200 handed

00:48:47.460 to me

00:48:47.800 and so

00:48:48.200 you know

00:48:49.380 I have

00:48:49.900 to continue

00:48:50.680 the exact

00:48:51.660 policy

00:48:52.780 our position

00:48:54.460 is that

00:48:55.280 the policy

00:48:56.460 was good

00:48:57.860 and stable

00:48:59.060 and that

00:48:59.920 the implementation

00:49:00.720 that he

00:49:01.900 was handed

00:49:03.220 is what

00:49:04.860 messed up

00:49:05.760 he was

00:49:06.520 not able

00:49:07.280 to implement

00:49:08.740 the agreement

00:49:09.460 in a safe

00:49:10.020 way

00:49:10.380 but served

00:49:11.500 with General

00:49:11.940 Milley

00:49:12.180 I'm not

00:49:12.500 just talking

00:49:13.140 about someone

00:49:13.880 that I

00:49:14.180 don't know

00:49:14.720 I think

00:49:16.800 that a lot

00:49:17.460 of this

00:49:17.760 blame has

00:49:18.280 to also

00:49:19.280 be on

00:49:19.920 Joe

00:49:20.180 Biden's

00:49:20.660 team

00:49:21.000 and that

00:49:21.740 means the

00:49:22.120 Secretary

00:49:22.420 of Defense

00:49:22.940 the Secretary

00:49:23.480 of State

00:49:24.000 and the Joint

00:49:24.480 Chiefs of Staff

00:49:25.140 General Milley

00:49:26.280 they were

00:49:27.180 more concerned

00:49:28.120 with identity

00:49:29.680 politics

00:49:30.400 and woke

00:49:30.880 ism

00:49:31.260 over the

00:49:31.840 last six

00:49:32.540 months

00:49:33.080 than they

00:49:34.060 obviously

00:49:34.940 were

00:49:35.440 about

00:49:35.900 implementing

00:49:36.680 the

00:49:37.700 Afghanistan

00:49:38.300 pullout

00:49:38.940 and

00:49:39.940 if

00:49:40.700 we've

00:49:41.000 ever

00:49:41.280 seen

00:49:41.660 someone

00:49:42.080 on the

00:49:42.540 job

00:49:42.800 who's

00:49:43.080 completely

00:49:43.800 in

00:49:44.180 over

00:49:44.440 their

00:49:44.660 head

00:49:45.000 you

00:49:45.940 look

00:49:46.220 at

00:49:46.500 our

00:49:47.260 policies

00:49:47.840 with

00:49:48.120 China

00:49:48.600 with

00:49:49.300 Iran

00:49:49.860 it's

00:49:51.400 very

00:49:52.200 scary

00:49:52.920 to have

00:49:53.800 a national

00:49:54.180 security

00:49:54.660 advisor

00:49:55.100 like Jake

00:49:56.080 Sullivan

00:49:56.400 who clearly

00:49:57.360 is too

00:49:58.140 inexperienced

00:49:58.900 to deal

00:49:59.540 with

00:50:00.140 crises

00:50:00.860 on the

00:50:01.260 world

00:50:01.440 stage

00:50:01.880 so

00:50:03.560 you know

00:50:04.080 one never

00:50:04.500 knows

00:50:04.960 whether

00:50:05.740 these articles

00:50:06.420 get leaked

00:50:06.940 to protect

00:50:07.520 somebody's

00:50:08.000 rear end

00:50:08.460 but you know

00:50:09.080 what what

00:50:09.680 we're hearing

00:50:10.360 is that

00:50:10.940 Austin and

00:50:11.920 Milley tried

00:50:12.440 to stop

00:50:12.820 Biden from

00:50:13.300 doing this

00:50:13.800 and Biden

00:50:14.320 said I

00:50:15.040 don't I'm

00:50:15.840 not listening

00:50:16.300 I'm going to

00:50:17.060 be the one

00:50:17.520 to pull the

00:50:17.940 troops

00:50:18.240 and I'm

00:50:19.000 going to

00:50:19.140 do it

00:50:19.360 my way

00:50:19.860 and you

00:50:20.580 know

00:50:20.720 that's

00:50:21.100 that's

00:50:21.560 the end

00:50:21.740 of that

00:50:21.920 I don't

00:50:22.240 know who

00:50:22.580 it is

00:50:22.780 I don't

00:50:23.040 really

00:50:23.380 care

00:50:23.760 I really

00:50:24.200 don't

00:50:24.500 I just

00:50:24.720 feel like

00:50:25.120 to me

00:50:25.940 it's

00:50:26.100 six

00:50:26.260 one way

00:50:26.580 half a dozen

00:50:27.020 the other

00:50:27.360 it does

00:50:27.780 end with

00:50:28.200 Biden

00:50:28.520 Biden's

00:50:29.040 the one

00:50:29.280 who did

00:50:29.560 it

00:50:29.660 he made

00:50:29.980 the final

00:50:30.340 call

00:50:30.700 this is

00:50:31.480 his

00:50:31.880 and I

00:50:32.880 know that

00:50:33.220 he's

00:50:33.360 pointing the

00:50:33.700 finger at

00:50:34.020 Trump

00:50:34.180 but like

00:50:34.580 let's be

00:50:35.060 honest

00:50:35.440 Rick

00:50:35.700 you work

00:50:36.220 for President

00:50:36.660 Trump

00:50:37.040 love him

00:50:38.320 or hate

00:50:38.660 him

00:50:38.840 does anyone

00:50:39.760 really believe

00:50:40.740 that Trump

00:50:41.620 would be

00:50:42.160 sitting there

00:50:42.940 allowing this

00:50:43.920 humiliation

00:50:44.720 to the

00:50:45.100 United States

00:50:45.680 right now

00:50:46.160 that he

00:50:46.640 would not

00:50:46.920 be bombing

00:50:47.540 different

00:50:48.280 cities

00:50:48.640 in Afghanistan

00:50:49.600 as the

00:50:50.240 Taliban

00:50:50.540 took them

00:50:51.240 over

00:50:51.480 one by

00:50:51.900 one

00:50:52.220 let me

00:50:53.100 be very

00:50:53.540 clear

00:50:53.940 that in

00:50:54.260 the

00:50:54.380 negotiations

00:50:55.120 with the

00:50:56.460 Afghan

00:50:56.860 government

00:50:57.420 we made

00:50:58.180 it perfectly

00:50:58.860 clear

00:50:59.380 that if

00:51:00.280 the Taliban

00:51:00.980 began to

00:51:01.760 take over

00:51:02.340 that the

00:51:03.980 U.S.

00:51:04.400 military

00:51:04.780 would strike

00:51:05.520 hard

00:51:06.020 and that

00:51:07.140 they would

00:51:07.880 see the

00:51:08.520 penalties

00:51:09.000 of allowing

00:51:10.000 the Taliban

00:51:11.480 to take

00:51:11.940 over

00:51:12.120 we made

00:51:12.540 that clear

00:51:12.900 to the

00:51:13.140 Taliban

00:51:13.500 we made

00:51:14.000 that clear

00:51:14.480 to the

00:51:14.880 government

00:51:15.180 of Afghanistan

00:51:16.400 and not

00:51:17.740 only was it

00:51:18.360 clear

00:51:18.880 but they

00:51:19.600 believed it

00:51:20.240 a credible

00:51:21.520 threat of

00:51:22.040 military action

00:51:22.860 is better

00:51:23.520 than a

00:51:24.020 threat of

00:51:24.460 military

00:51:24.800 action

00:51:25.300 the credible

00:51:26.420 part

00:51:26.840 is important

00:51:27.980 and I think

00:51:29.260 that what

00:51:29.840 we're seeing

00:51:30.460 from the

00:51:31.760 government

00:51:32.060 of Afghanistan

00:51:32.680 and the

00:51:33.060 Taliban

00:51:33.380 or Iran

00:51:34.500 or China

00:51:35.500 or Russia

00:51:36.160 is that they

00:51:36.860 don't believe

00:51:37.500 that Biden

00:51:38.140 has a

00:51:38.620 credible

00:51:39.200 threat

00:51:39.920 of action

00:51:41.480 in case

00:51:41.920 something

00:51:42.260 goes wrong

00:51:42.840 they know

00:51:44.620 that Donald

00:51:45.080 Trump would

00:51:45.520 do it

00:51:45.920 they knew

00:51:47.040 that in

00:51:47.860 real time

00:51:48.600 he would

00:51:49.000 be watching

00:51:49.600 that he

00:51:50.140 wasn't

00:51:50.800 going to

00:51:51.120 be on

00:51:51.380 vacation

00:51:51.940 or away

00:51:53.740 from

00:51:54.260 Washington

00:51:55.640 for three

00:51:56.400 days

00:51:56.880 what they

00:51:57.980 knew

00:51:58.480 is that

00:51:59.140 in real

00:51:59.580 time

00:51:59.960 Donald

00:52:00.240 Trump

00:52:00.520 would

00:52:00.820 react

00:52:01.460 and I

00:52:02.200 think

00:52:02.380 that's

00:52:02.740 a big

00:52:03.180 difference

00:52:03.780 in what

00:52:04.620 we're seeing

00:52:05.140 now

00:52:05.580 we had

00:52:06.840 as one

00:52:07.260 of the

00:52:07.480 conditions

00:52:07.920 remember

00:52:08.380 Donald

00:52:09.020 Trump

00:52:09.260 had many

00:52:09.920 conditions

00:52:10.520 on the

00:52:11.860 government

00:52:12.160 of Afghanistan

00:52:12.820 and the

00:52:13.260 Taliban

00:52:13.580 and those

00:52:15.100 conditions

00:52:15.800 were going

00:52:16.340 to be

00:52:16.680 monitored

00:52:17.180 on a

00:52:18.760 daily

00:52:19.060 basis

00:52:19.680 on an

00:52:20.380 hourly

00:52:20.720 basis

00:52:21.160 and if

00:52:21.860 those

00:52:22.140 conditions

00:52:22.720 weren't

00:52:23.140 met

00:52:23.500 then we

00:52:24.200 would

00:52:24.400 adjust

00:52:24.940 the

00:52:25.220 policy

00:52:25.740 we

00:52:26.120 had

00:52:26.780 lots

00:52:27.980 of

00:52:28.160 discussions

00:52:28.560 and General

00:52:29.060 Milley

00:52:29.360 was there

00:52:29.880 and very

00:52:30.400 comfortable

00:52:31.040 with exactly

00:52:32.660 what was

00:52:33.660 going to

00:52:34.040 unfold

00:52:34.400 because he

00:52:34.960 could

00:52:35.160 monitor

00:52:35.640 and adjust

00:52:36.620 the policy

00:52:37.240 clearly

00:52:37.920 through these

00:52:39.000 leaked

00:52:39.320 you know

00:52:40.240 new stories

00:52:41.320 where it

00:52:42.200 I think

00:52:42.640 you're right

00:52:43.060 Megan

00:52:43.340 that it's

00:52:44.120 a lot

00:52:44.520 of after

00:52:44.940 the fact

00:52:45.380 people

00:52:45.700 covering up

00:52:46.380 their

00:52:46.560 reputation

00:52:47.100 which is

00:52:47.800 you know

00:52:48.680 Washington

00:52:49.160 101

00:52:49.700 that people

00:52:51.520 leak stories

00:52:52.260 to say

00:52:52.560 well I

00:52:53.120 was against

00:52:54.680 this policy

00:52:55.540 it's to

00:52:55.960 protect

00:52:56.400 their

00:52:56.760 future

00:52:57.740 you know

00:52:59.120 job

00:52:59.540 prospects

00:53:00.060 they want

00:53:01.120 to

00:53:01.340 distance

00:53:02.100 themselves

00:53:02.500 from a

00:53:02.940 disastrous

00:53:03.440 policy

00:53:04.000 and that's

00:53:04.380 what happens

00:53:04.860 in Washington

00:53:05.460 but can I

00:53:06.560 just take

00:53:06.960 you on

00:53:07.420 on the

00:53:07.940 Trump

00:53:08.220 policy

00:53:08.680 of

00:53:08.840 withdrawal

00:53:09.240 to begin

00:53:09.720 with

00:53:09.920 because

00:53:10.420 sure

00:53:10.840 I

00:53:11.860 I don't

00:53:12.700 see

00:53:13.020 given

00:53:13.340 where we

00:53:13.680 are

00:53:13.800 now

00:53:14.020 let's

00:53:14.360 just

00:53:14.500 put

00:53:14.840 for

00:53:15.160 the

00:53:15.380 set

00:53:15.640 for

00:53:15.800 this

00:53:15.960 moment

00:53:16.320 the

00:53:16.880 withdrawal

00:53:17.380 itself

00:53:18.140 to the

00:53:18.560 side

00:53:18.840 since it

00:53:19.280 was

00:53:19.680 handled

00:53:20.180 so

00:53:20.460 poorly

00:53:20.780 when you

00:53:21.640 see

00:53:22.020 the

00:53:22.660 300,000

00:53:23.480 Afghan

00:53:23.900 security

00:53:24.280 forces

00:53:24.660 totally

00:53:25.180 overrun

00:53:25.680 by the

00:53:25.960 75,000

00:53:26.700 Taliban

00:53:27.080 whose

00:53:27.500 hearts

00:53:27.800 are in

00:53:28.100 the Taliban

00:53:29.040 hearts

00:53:29.340 are in

00:53:29.580 it

00:53:29.660 for sure

00:53:30.000 the

00:53:30.500 Afghans

00:53:30.840 are

00:53:31.020 they

00:53:31.920 don't

00:53:32.040 like

00:53:32.220 the

00:53:32.360 Taliban

00:53:32.680 85%

00:53:33.360 of

00:53:33.500 the

00:53:33.680 Afghan

00:53:33.980 population

00:53:34.460 doesn't

00:53:34.780 like

00:53:34.940 the

00:53:35.060 Taliban

00:53:35.340 but

00:53:36.000 they're

00:53:36.360 the

00:53:36.660 Taliban

00:53:37.000 are

00:53:37.220 fighters

00:53:37.580 and

00:53:37.780 they're

00:53:38.000 mean

00:53:38.580 sons

00:53:39.080 of

00:53:39.260 bitches

00:53:39.520 and

00:53:40.600 you

00:53:41.680 know

00:53:41.760 when

00:53:41.860 you

00:53:41.960 see

00:53:42.280 how

00:53:42.600 easy

00:53:43.040 it

00:53:43.260 was

00:53:43.540 for

00:53:43.720 them

00:53:44.000 to

00:53:44.480 take

00:53:45.240 control

00:53:45.680 city

00:53:46.000 after

00:53:46.220 city

00:53:46.560 it

00:53:47.680 does

00:53:47.920 make

00:53:48.140 me

00:53:48.320 ask

00:53:48.680 if

00:53:49.640 things

00:53:50.140 had

00:53:50.260 gone

00:53:50.420 perfectly

00:53:50.860 and

00:53:51.380 we

00:53:51.540 had

00:53:51.680 withdrawn

00:53:52.080 all

00:53:52.520 of

00:53:52.620 our

00:53:52.740 security

00:53:53.080 personnel

00:53:53.480 and

00:53:53.760 all

00:53:53.940 of

00:53:54.060 our

00:53:54.160 embassy

00:53:54.420 staff

00:53:54.920 and

00:53:55.380 we

00:53:55.620 had

00:53:55.780 taken

00:53:55.980 our

00:53:56.140 troops

00:53:56.380 out

00:53:56.580 of

00:53:56.700 there

00:53:56.900 and

00:53:57.020 we

00:53:57.100 had

00:53:57.260 no

00:53:57.460 one

00:53:57.600 left

00:53:57.900 as

00:53:58.260 was

00:53:58.460 the

00:53:58.600 plan

00:53:58.920 they

00:53:59.960 just

00:54:00.160 would

00:54:00.300 have

00:54:00.380 done

00:54:00.560 it

00:54:00.680 then

00:54:00.980 they

00:54:01.420 just

00:54:01.580 would

00:54:01.740 they

00:54:02.040 just

00:54:02.260 the

00:54:02.900 Taliban

00:54:03.240 just

00:54:03.460 would

00:54:03.600 have

00:54:03.660 been

00:54:03.780 doing

00:54:04.000 this

00:54:04.200 taking

00:54:04.420 going

00:54:04.620 city

00:54:04.880 by

00:54:05.040 city

00:54:05.240 once

00:54:05.460 we

00:54:05.600 were

00:54:05.720 out

00:54:06.040 and

00:54:07.080 we

00:54:07.220 would

00:54:07.380 have

00:54:07.420 been

00:54:07.540 left

00:54:07.760 in

00:54:07.880 the

00:54:08.020 same

00:54:08.220 position

00:54:08.600 no

00:54:08.860 well

00:54:09.340 I

00:54:09.460 think

00:54:09.640 that's

00:54:09.860 what

00:54:09.940 I

00:54:10.040 was

00:54:10.160 referring

00:54:10.480 to

00:54:10.720 in

00:54:10.920 the

00:54:11.160 previous

00:54:11.440 question

00:54:11.820 is

00:54:12.080 that

00:54:12.440 first

00:54:13.240 of

00:54:13.380 all

00:54:13.440 I

00:54:13.540 think

00:54:13.680 it's

00:54:13.820 a

00:54:13.920 great

00:54:14.200 question

00:54:14.720 and

00:54:15.040 it's

00:54:15.240 something

00:54:15.460 that

00:54:15.700 we

00:54:15.860 should

00:54:16.080 always

00:54:16.540 be

00:54:16.760 exploring

00:54:17.280 but

00:54:18.800 as

00:54:19.480 I

00:54:19.600 was

00:54:19.760 referring

00:54:20.220 to

00:54:20.700 in

00:54:21.220 the

00:54:21.340 previous

00:54:21.600 question

00:54:21.900 we

00:54:22.100 were

00:54:22.280 going

00:54:22.520 to

00:54:22.700 be

00:54:22.860 doing

00:54:23.260 real

00:54:24.100 time

00:54:24.480 monitoring

00:54:25.020 and

00:54:25.560 make

00:54:26.080 no

00:54:26.300 mistake

00:54:26.780 that

00:54:27.120 if

00:54:27.260 the

00:54:27.400 Taliban

00:54:27.740 began

00:54:28.340 to

00:54:28.580 take

00:54:28.920 over

00:54:29.260 territories

00:54:30.020 they

00:54:30.800 would

00:54:30.940 have

00:54:31.000 been

00:54:31.140 confronted

00:54:31.680 by

00:54:32.780 the

00:54:33.000 US

00:54:33.220 military

00:54:33.720 from

00:54:34.040 an

00:54:34.220 air

00:54:34.420 campaign

00:54:34.940 the

00:54:35.900 military

00:54:36.300 strategist

00:54:36.900 will

00:54:37.040 say

00:54:37.200 well

00:54:37.360 it's

00:54:37.540 better

00:54:37.780 to

00:54:38.000 have

00:54:38.440 boots

00:54:38.780 on

00:54:38.940 the

00:54:39.040 ground

00:54:39.280 and

00:54:39.480 to

00:54:39.740 my

00:54:39.980 to

00:54:40.480 my

00:54:40.900 reaction

00:54:41.260 to

00:54:41.420 that

00:54:41.560 is

00:54:41.740 yeah

00:54:41.980 no

00:54:42.240 shit

00:54:42.560 of

00:54:43.380 course

00:54:43.760 it's

00:54:44.340 always

00:54:44.560 better

00:54:44.860 to

00:54:45.080 have

00:54:45.360 US

00:54:45.640 military

00:54:46.100 getting

00:54:46.680 real

00:54:47.000 time

00:54:47.540 information

00:54:48.600 on

00:54:48.980 the

00:54:49.100 ground

00:54:49.300 but

00:54:49.480 we

00:54:49.680 have

00:54:50.040 to

00:54:50.180 be

00:54:50.360 able

00:54:50.540 to

00:54:50.680 as

00:54:50.820 a

00:54:50.940 country

00:54:51.360 evaluate

00:54:52.440 whether

00:54:52.820 or not

00:54:53.080 that's

00:54:53.340 a

00:54:53.440 good

00:54:53.560 idea

00:54:53.940 look

00:54:54.300 having

00:54:55.020 Americans

00:54:55.540 there

00:54:55.780 at

00:54:55.920 the

00:54:56.020 embassy

00:54:56.340 is

00:54:56.640 one

00:54:56.860 option

00:54:57.220 also

00:54:58.240 recognizing

00:54:59.720 that

00:55:00.280 we

00:55:00.720 may

00:55:00.980 not

00:55:01.220 have

00:55:01.500 perfect

00:55:01.940 information

00:55:02.680 in

00:55:03.080 real

00:55:03.340 time

00:55:03.900 in

00:55:04.200 some

00:55:04.540 countries

00:55:05.120 is

00:55:05.900 a

00:55:06.080 sacrifice

00:55:06.580 that

00:55:07.000 we

00:55:07.200 make

00:55:07.720 in

00:55:08.240 order

00:55:08.500 to

00:55:08.760 not

00:55:09.100 have

00:55:09.640 our

00:55:10.120 men

00:55:10.540 and

00:55:10.740 women

00:55:10.980 in

00:55:11.260 harm's

00:55:11.740 way

00:55:12.060 and

00:55:12.620 so

00:55:12.740 these

00:55:12.940 are

00:55:13.080 tough

00:55:13.340 choices

00:55:13.760 but

00:55:14.060 I

00:55:14.360 go

00:55:14.800 back

00:55:15.120 to

00:55:15.340 this

00:55:15.880 Megan

00:55:16.300 my

00:55:16.980 criteria

00:55:17.540 US

00:55:18.360 military

00:55:18.920 boots

00:55:19.280 on

00:55:19.700 the

00:55:20.340 ground

00:55:20.560 in

00:55:20.800 any

00:55:21.080 country

00:55:21.460 is

00:55:22.240 whether

00:55:22.560 or

00:55:22.800 not

00:55:23.020 there

00:55:23.220 is

00:55:23.440 an

00:55:23.560 immediate

00:55:23.960 threat

00:55:24.900 to

00:55:25.600 US

00:55:25.940 national

00:55:26.320 security

00:55:26.820 I'm

00:55:27.520 sorry

00:55:27.760 to

00:55:28.020 tell

00:55:28.260 you

00:55:28.460 the

00:55:28.840 world

00:55:29.100 is

00:55:29.280 a

00:55:29.420 terrible

00:55:29.800 dangerous

00:55:30.280 place

00:55:30.680 and

00:55:30.900 there

00:55:31.040 are

00:55:31.140 little

00:55:31.380 girls

00:55:31.720 in

00:55:31.860 the

00:55:32.000 Congo

00:55:32.300 that

00:55:32.720 don't

00:55:33.000 get

00:55:33.140 to

00:55:33.260 go

00:55:33.380 to

00:55:33.520 school

00:55:33.840 and

00:55:34.700 we

00:55:35.160 have

00:55:35.560 this

00:55:35.860 entity

00:55:36.380 called

00:55:36.740 the

00:55:36.900 United

00:55:37.220 Nations

00:55:37.700 where

00:55:38.120 we

00:55:38.380 pay

00:55:38.640 one

00:55:39.000 fourth

00:55:39.480 of

00:55:39.720 the

00:55:39.900 bill

00:55:40.200 one

00:55:40.680 of

00:55:40.780 the

00:55:40.880 things

00:55:41.100 about

00:55:41.300 the

00:55:41.460 Trump

00:55:41.660 administration

00:55:42.260 is

00:55:43.220 that

00:55:43.620 not

00:55:43.960 only

00:55:44.140 did

00:55:44.280 we

00:55:44.420 say

00:55:44.620 America

00:55:44.980 first

00:55:45.420 but

00:55:45.660 we

00:55:45.820 said

00:55:46.200 allies

00:55:46.820 need

00:55:47.100 to

00:55:47.260 step

00:55:47.560 up

00:55:47.920 we

00:55:48.500 encouraged

00:55:49.260 allies

00:55:49.920 to

00:55:50.200 do

00:55:50.440 more

00:55:50.740 and

00:55:50.900 to

00:55:51.060 share

00:55:51.260 their

00:55:51.460 obligations

00:55:52.060 and

00:55:52.440 let's

00:55:52.660 be

00:55:52.840 honest

00:55:53.160 many

00:55:53.840 of

00:55:54.040 our

00:55:54.180 allies

00:55:54.500 wanted

00:55:54.880 Joe

00:55:55.160 Biden

00:55:55.480 and

00:55:56.040 now

00:55:56.340 they're

00:55:56.580 seeing

00:55:56.920 the

00:55:57.120 disastrous

00:55:57.640 policies

00:55:58.340 of

00:55:58.560 Joe

00:55:58.780 Biden

00:55:59.060 and

00:55:59.380 I

00:55:59.520 can

00:55:59.720 tell

00:56:00.040 you

00:56:00.220 this

00:56:00.600 they

00:56:01.280 know

00:56:01.540 that

00:56:01.700 the

00:56:01.860 world

00:56:02.060 was

00:56:02.340 going

00:56:02.560 to

00:56:02.700 be

00:56:02.840 more

00:56:03.100 stable

00:56:03.500 now

00:56:03.920 under

00:56:04.320 Donald

00:56:04.660 Trump

00:56:05.000 than

00:56:05.260 under

00:56:05.480 Joe

00:56:05.720 Biden

00:56:06.000 yeah

00:56:07.080 I

00:56:07.620 don't

00:56:07.760 know

00:56:07.900 I

00:56:08.040 look

00:56:08.220 at

00:56:08.340 it

00:56:08.620 I

00:56:08.860 all

00:56:09.760 I

00:56:09.900 want

00:56:10.080 is

00:56:10.220 safety

00:56:10.460 and

00:56:10.620 security

00:56:10.960 for

00:56:11.200 the

00:56:11.340 American

00:56:11.580 people

00:56:11.900 that's

00:56:12.180 what

00:56:12.280 I

00:56:12.380 want

00:56:12.620 and

00:56:12.800 I

00:56:12.920 want

00:56:13.100 the

00:56:13.240 troops

00:56:13.600 to

00:56:13.760 be

00:56:14.020 respected

00:56:14.560 and

00:56:14.860 not

00:56:15.520 put

00:56:15.740 into

00:56:16.180 unsafe

00:56:17.620 well

00:56:17.860 I

00:56:17.900 mean

00:56:18.000 they're

00:56:18.120 all

00:56:18.260 unsafe

00:56:18.540 but

00:56:18.740 just

00:56:18.940 foolishly

00:56:19.540 unsafe

00:56:19.880 situations

00:56:20.520 right

00:56:20.780 for

00:56:20.920 them

00:56:21.140 but

00:56:21.780 I

00:56:21.900 think

00:56:22.160 that

00:56:22.540 you

00:56:22.740 know

00:56:22.840 just

00:56:23.000 looking

00:56:23.360 at

00:56:23.560 this

00:56:23.820 and

00:56:24.060 I

00:56:25.140 don't

00:56:25.380 even

00:56:25.520 want

00:56:25.640 to

00:56:25.680 say

00:56:25.820 hindsight

00:56:26.080 2020

00:56:26.560 because

00:56:26.840 people

00:56:27.080 were

00:56:27.240 jumping

00:56:27.460 up

00:56:27.640 and

00:56:27.740 down

00:56:28.000 when

00:56:29.020 Trump

00:56:29.360 said

00:56:29.600 we're

00:56:29.800 withdrawing

00:56:30.240 the

00:56:30.360 troops

00:56:30.680 making

00:56:31.600 this

00:56:31.860 point

00:56:32.220 because

00:56:32.480 you

00:56:32.700 were

00:56:33.220 ambassador

00:56:33.600 to

00:56:33.840 Germany

00:56:34.140 we've

00:56:34.700 got

00:56:34.860 tens

00:56:35.060 of

00:56:35.200 thousands

00:56:35.480 of

00:56:35.700 troops

00:56:35.900 in

00:56:36.100 Germany

00:56:36.380 why

00:56:36.620 couldn't

00:56:36.900 we

00:56:37.040 have

00:56:37.160 kept

00:56:37.400 5,000

00:56:38.360 troops

00:56:38.660 in

00:56:38.780 Afghanistan

00:56:39.240 just

00:56:39.940 as a

00:56:40.220 peacekeeping

00:56:40.680 measure

00:56:41.100 in a

00:56:41.620 place

00:56:41.820 that

00:56:41.960 needs

00:56:42.140 a

00:56:42.280 lot

00:56:42.420 more

00:56:42.560 than

00:56:42.700 Germany

00:56:43.040 does

00:56:43.300 right

00:56:43.500 now

00:56:43.700 well

00:56:44.100 Afghanistan

00:56:44.620 is

00:56:44.880 a

00:56:44.980 different

00:56:45.140 place

00:56:45.480 than

00:56:45.640 Germany

00:56:45.920 Germany

00:56:46.220 is

00:56:46.460 stable

00:56:46.800 and

00:56:47.340 US

00:56:47.900 military

00:56:48.340 can

00:56:48.580 bring

00:56:57.080 Pashtun

00:56:57.600 violence

00:56:58.100 we're

00:56:58.460 dealing

00:56:58.780 with

00:56:59.260 an

00:56:59.420 unfolding

00:56:59.800 civil

00:57:00.200 war

00:57:00.540 I

00:57:01.140 would

00:57:01.520 push

00:57:01.760 back

00:57:02.080 and

00:57:02.300 say

00:57:02.580 to

00:57:02.800 people

00:57:03.120 who

00:57:03.340 make

00:57:03.520 that

00:57:03.720 argument

00:57:04.100 when

00:57:05.840 do

00:57:06.260 we

00:57:06.460 stop

00:57:06.980 and

00:57:07.640 what

00:57:07.940 are

00:57:08.080 the

00:57:08.260 lines

00:57:08.860 why

00:57:09.720 aren't

00:57:10.020 we

00:57:10.340 in

00:57:11.060 many

00:57:11.480 countries

00:57:11.860 in

00:57:12.040 Africa

00:57:12.420 there's

00:57:13.980 an

00:57:14.220 incredibly

00:57:14.940 slippery

00:57:15.380 slope

00:57:15.900 of

00:57:16.400 countries

00:57:17.160 where

00:57:17.780 little

00:57:18.300 girls

00:57:18.560 don't

00:57:18.760 get

00:57:18.880 to

00:57:18.980 go

00:57:19.060 to

00:57:19.180 school

00:57:19.480 and

00:57:20.100 let

00:57:20.440 me

00:57:20.940 jump

00:57:21.160 in

00:57:21.320 and

00:57:21.560 say

00:57:21.740 it's

00:57:21.920 not

00:57:22.080 about

00:57:22.340 this

00:57:22.820 particular

00:57:23.200 question

00:57:23.560 isn't

00:57:23.800 about

00:57:24.000 the

00:57:24.160 girls

00:57:24.600 it's

00:57:27.200 about

00:57:27.540 Al-Qaeda

00:57:28.040 look

00:57:28.760 we

00:57:28.900 got

00:57:29.160 fewer

00:57:29.540 troops

00:57:30.080 in

00:57:30.400 Iraq

00:57:30.760 now

00:57:31.320 than

00:57:31.980 we

00:57:32.100 did

00:57:32.340 before

00:57:32.820 we

00:57:33.300 crushed

00:57:33.740 ISIS

00:57:34.180 we

00:57:34.560 took

00:57:35.100 out

00:57:35.340 Soleimani

00:57:35.900 we

00:57:36.100 took

00:57:36.300 out

00:57:36.500 al-Baghdadi

00:57:37.180 make

00:57:37.940 no

00:57:38.120 mistake

00:57:38.420 Donald

00:57:38.700 Trump

00:57:39.120 is

00:57:39.660 the

00:57:40.240 guy

00:57:40.560 who

00:57:40.740 was

00:57:40.960 monitoring

00:57:41.640 the

00:57:41.940 situation

00:57:42.440 in

00:57:42.680 real

00:57:42.840 time

00:57:43.080 and

00:57:43.420 responding

00:57:44.100 in

00:57:44.740 real

00:57:44.960 time

00:57:45.320 with

00:57:45.860 incredible

00:57:46.360 force

00:57:46.880 so

00:57:47.420 I

00:57:47.680 don't

00:57:48.040 buy

00:57:48.540 the

00:57:48.780 false

00:57:49.320 argument

00:57:50.720 the

00:57:51.580 false

00:57:52.020 choice

00:57:52.620 of

00:57:53.040 either

00:57:53.440 we

00:57:53.680 have

00:57:53.940 tons

00:57:54.300 of

00:57:54.480 boots

00:57:54.660 on

00:57:54.820 the

00:57:54.920 ground

00:57:55.180 or

00:57:55.820 Al-Qaeda

00:57:56.220 takes

00:57:56.580 over

00:57:56.920 and

00:57:57.740 I

00:57:58.000 think

00:57:58.520 that

00:57:58.800 we

00:57:59.020 are

00:57:59.180 sophisticated

00:57:59.700 enough

00:58:00.240 we

00:58:00.380 have

00:58:00.500 technology

00:58:01.140 now

00:58:01.560 different

00:58:02.120 than

00:58:02.320 we

00:58:02.440 did

00:58:02.620 in

00:58:02.780 2001

00:58:03.760 where

00:58:04.380 we

00:58:04.620 can

00:58:04.860 monitor

00:58:05.320 and

00:58:05.480 I

00:58:05.580 can

00:58:05.720 tell

00:58:05.920 you

00:58:06.040 as

00:58:06.160 former

00:58:06.460 acting

00:58:06.780 director

00:58:07.120 of

00:58:07.260 national

00:58:07.560 intelligence

00:58:08.020 again

00:58:08.460 the

00:58:09.120 intelligence

00:58:09.580 is

00:58:10.340 always

00:58:10.860 better

00:58:11.260 when

00:58:11.460 you

00:58:11.560 have

00:58:11.720 boots

00:58:11.980 on

00:58:12.160 the

00:58:12.280 ground

00:58:12.640 but

00:58:13.520 the

00:58:13.900 question

00:58:14.680 that

00:58:14.940 we

00:58:15.060 need

00:58:15.220 to

00:58:15.300 be

00:58:15.440 asking

00:58:15.760 is

00:58:16.180 is it

00:58:16.760 enough

00:58:17.340 to

00:58:18.020 monitor

00:58:18.500 the

00:58:18.760 situation

00:58:19.440 to

00:58:20.460 make

00:58:20.720 sure

00:58:21.040 that

00:58:21.280 U.S.

00:58:21.600 national

00:58:21.920 security

00:58:22.460 is

00:58:22.920 safe

00:58:23.740 and

00:58:23.900 secure

00:58:24.360 without

00:58:25.100 having

00:58:25.540 boots

00:58:25.780 on the

00:58:26.020 ground

00:58:26.220 with

00:58:26.440 today's

00:58:26.780 technology

00:58:27.340 I

00:58:27.780 think

00:58:27.980 the

00:58:28.140 answer

00:58:28.380 is

00:58:28.580 yes

00:58:28.780 you

00:58:29.060 tell

00:58:29.700 me

00:58:29.860 because

00:58:29.980 our

00:58:30.300 boots

00:58:30.680 on

00:58:30.800 the

00:58:30.900 ground

00:58:31.180 our

00:58:31.440 intel

00:58:31.900 over

00:58:32.100 there

00:58:32.380 either

00:58:33.220 didn't

00:58:33.760 see

00:58:34.000 this

00:58:34.260 coming

00:58:34.620 which

00:58:35.160 is

00:58:35.320 what

00:58:35.520 that's

00:58:35.860 the

00:58:35.980 party

00:58:36.200 line

00:58:36.540 I

00:58:36.720 mean

00:58:36.780 that's

00:58:36.960 what

00:58:37.060 Biden

00:58:37.320 said

00:58:37.540 yesterday

00:58:37.880 and

00:58:38.060 the

00:58:38.180 only

00:58:38.380 semblance

00:58:38.820 of

00:58:38.980 responsibility

00:58:39.480 taking

00:58:39.980 we

00:58:40.540 underestimated

00:58:41.220 how

00:58:41.380 quickly

00:58:41.660 this

00:58:41.860 would

00:58:41.980 happen

00:58:42.340 so

00:58:43.740 they

00:58:43.920 either

00:58:44.160 didn't

00:58:44.500 see

00:58:44.660 this

00:58:44.880 coming

00:58:45.200 or

00:58:45.960 they

00:58:46.200 did

00:58:46.620 and

00:58:47.180 we

00:58:47.300 didn't

00:58:47.540 care

00:58:47.820 right

00:58:48.300 like

00:58:48.500 that's

00:58:48.820 the

00:58:48.980 truth

00:58:49.780 either

00:58:50.040 Biden

00:58:50.340 said

00:58:50.620 I

00:58:50.840 know

00:58:51.060 full

00:58:51.300 well

00:58:51.540 we're

00:58:51.740 going

00:58:51.820 to

00:58:51.920 collapse

00:58:52.280 and

00:58:52.840 that

00:58:52.980 this

00:58:53.100 is

00:58:53.200 going

00:58:53.300 to

00:58:53.340 be

00:58:53.440 a

00:58:53.560 calamity

00:58:53.900 and

00:58:54.260 didn't

00:58:54.740 give

00:58:55.000 two

00:58:55.200 dams

00:58:55.600 or

00:58:56.640 he

00:58:57.580 wasn't

00:58:57.880 getting

00:58:58.100 good

00:58:58.300 information

00:58:58.800 and

00:59:00.280 now

00:59:01.100 it's

00:59:01.360 going

00:59:01.500 to

00:59:01.600 go

00:59:01.780 from

00:59:01.980 bad

00:59:02.240 to

00:59:02.400 worse

00:59:02.660 because

00:59:02.860 now

00:59:03.040 we

00:59:03.200 have

00:59:03.360 even

00:59:03.560 fewer

00:59:03.820 boots

00:59:04.100 on the

00:59:04.580 ground

00:59:04.800 and

00:59:05.020 less

00:59:05.500 resources

00:59:05.980 over

00:59:06.240 there

00:59:06.440 which

00:59:06.640 none

00:59:06.900 of

00:59:07.200 these

00:59:07.360 makes

00:59:07.580 us

00:59:07.720 feel

00:59:07.900 any

00:59:08.080 better

00:59:08.280 well

00:59:08.700 I

00:59:08.820 hope

00:59:09.080 that

00:59:09.260 you

00:59:09.380 promised

00:59:09.760 me

00:59:10.000 that

00:59:10.300 you

00:59:10.740 invite

00:59:11.100 me

00:59:11.300 back

00:59:11.680 on

00:59:12.040 your

00:59:12.180 next

00:59:12.500 podcast

00:59:12.900 where

00:59:13.100 we

00:59:13.240 have

00:59:13.420 a

00:59:13.580 whole

00:59:13.820 discussion

00:59:14.260 about

00:59:14.520 intelligence

00:59:15.100 because

00:59:16.340 there's

00:59:16.840 so much

00:59:17.200 to say

00:59:17.540 on that

00:59:17.880 question

00:59:18.300 that

00:59:18.500 you

00:59:18.660 just

00:59:18.920 nailed

00:59:19.240 it

00:59:19.520 you

00:59:20.740 know

00:59:20.880 the

00:59:21.060 quality

00:59:21.440 of

00:59:21.620 intelligence

00:59:22.160 we

00:59:22.940 need

00:59:23.180 to

00:59:23.340 discuss

00:59:23.740 that

00:59:24.020 in

00:59:24.200 America

00:59:24.580 I

00:59:24.860 mean

00:59:25.000 look

00:59:25.280 when

00:59:26.020 I

00:59:26.200 was

00:59:26.360 acting

00:59:26.640 director

00:59:26.980 I

00:59:27.160 brought

00:59:27.420 the

00:59:27.840 entire

00:59:28.260 team

00:59:28.720 into

00:59:29.160 a

00:59:29.540 room

00:59:29.800 that

00:59:30.800 gave

00:59:31.180 us

00:59:31.360 the

00:59:31.500 information

00:59:32.020 that

00:59:32.840 if

00:59:33.340 we

00:59:33.540 moved

00:59:33.780 the

00:59:33.940 embassy

00:59:34.200 to

00:59:34.460 Jerusalem

00:59:34.920 there

00:59:35.180 would

00:59:35.340 be

00:59:35.480 World

00:59:35.720 War

00:59:35.940 Three

00:59:36.220 there

00:59:36.620 wasn't

00:59:37.100 there

00:59:37.960 wasn't

00:59:38.280 even

00:59:38.440 chaos

00:59:38.720 as

00:59:38.880 a

00:59:38.900 matter

00:59:39.060 of

00:59:39.200 fact

00:59:39.480 many

00:59:39.780 of

00:59:39.980 our

00:59:40.180 allies

00:59:40.620 in

00:59:40.780 the

00:59:40.880 Middle

00:59:41.040 East

00:59:41.400 liked

00:59:42.200 the

00:59:42.540 move

00:59:42.920 and

00:59:43.560 the

00:59:44.180 move

00:59:44.520 opened

00:59:45.040 up

00:59:45.420 the

00:59:46.060 Abraham

00:59:46.580 Accords

00:59:47.200 so

00:59:48.020 I

00:59:48.640 bluntly

00:59:49.900 asked

00:59:50.300 them

00:59:50.600 what

00:59:51.040 went

00:59:51.260 wrong

00:59:51.620 what

00:59:52.460 are

00:59:52.640 you

00:59:52.780 going

00:59:52.980 to

00:59:53.160 do

00:59:53.280 to

00:59:53.460 fix

00:59:53.780 this

00:59:54.060 problem

00:59:54.460 because

00:59:55.080 the

00:59:55.340 information

00:59:55.900 you

00:59:56.220 gave

00:59:56.480 the

00:59:56.660 president

00:59:57.000 of

00:59:57.200 the

00:59:57.280 United

00:59:57.460 States

00:59:57.840 and

00:59:58.060 all

00:59:58.400 of

00:59:58.560 his

00:59:58.800 advisors

00:59:59.300 there

00:59:59.920 would

01:00:00.040 be

01:00:00.220 chaos

01:00:00.820 and

01:00:01.500 a

01:00:01.660 war

01:00:01.940 that

01:00:02.640 intelligence

01:00:03.120 failure

01:00:03.620 didn't

01:00:05.220 result

01:00:06.160 in

01:00:06.720 pictures

01:00:07.220 on

01:00:07.580 TV

01:00:07.960 in

01:00:08.840 a

01:00:09.000 chaotic

01:00:09.380 situation

01:00:10.060 but

01:00:10.680 it

01:00:10.820 is

01:00:11.000 a

01:00:11.220 major

01:00:11.620 intelligence

01:00:12.240 failure

01:00:12.640 which

01:00:13.160 impacts

01:00:13.960 policies

01:00:14.740 and

01:00:15.960 we

01:00:16.620 need

01:00:16.820 to

01:00:16.980 fix

01:00:17.280 these

01:00:17.700 issues

01:00:18.080 look

01:00:18.280 I

01:00:18.380 could

01:00:18.520 go

01:00:18.740 on

01:00:18.960 and

01:00:19.060 on

01:00:19.260 about

01:00:19.600 the

01:00:20.420 Russia

01:00:21.480 team

01:00:21.840 for

01:00:22.000 instance

01:00:22.440 the

01:00:23.020 Russia

01:00:23.300 team

01:00:23.700 in

01:00:24.400 the

01:00:24.520 United

01:00:24.720 States

01:00:25.080 intelligence

01:00:25.560 agencies

01:00:26.420 is

01:00:27.680 highly

01:00:28.180 political

01:00:28.820 I

01:00:29.520 don't

01:00:29.820 think

01:00:30.020 that

01:00:30.160 they

01:00:30.320 do

01:00:30.540 the

01:00:30.780 American

01:00:31.120 people

01:00:31.480 of

01:00:31.680 service

01:00:31.980 because

01:00:32.620 their

01:00:34.520 prioritization

01:00:35.520 of

01:00:36.180 intelligence

01:00:36.820 is

01:00:38.000 completely

01:00:38.940 upended

01:00:40.040 by

01:00:40.660 those

01:00:41.180 on

01:00:41.500 the

01:00:41.640 team

01:00:41.980 that

01:00:42.380 will

01:00:42.620 leak

01:00:43.020 personal

01:00:43.840 private

01:00:44.780 raw

01:00:45.440 untested

01:00:46.720 intelligence

01:00:47.360 for

01:00:48.020 political

01:00:48.580 game

01:00:49.040 there

01:00:49.780 you

01:00:49.960 go

01:00:50.120 let me

01:00:50.760 ask

01:00:50.960 you

01:00:51.060 that

01:00:51.300 so

01:00:51.900 let's

01:00:52.200 let's

01:00:52.520 go

01:00:52.660 there

01:00:52.840 just

01:00:53.020 for

01:00:53.160 a

01:00:53.300 minute

01:00:53.480 why

01:00:54.740 are

01:00:54.960 all

01:00:55.140 the

01:00:55.380 intelligence

01:00:56.080 failures

01:00:56.660 seemingly

01:00:58.660 woke

01:00:59.220 right

01:00:59.660 you

01:00:59.800 know

01:00:59.880 like

01:01:00.020 it's

01:01:00.360 I'm

01:01:00.580 sensing

01:01:00.880 a

01:01:01.380 pattern

01:01:01.680 here

01:01:01.960 right

01:01:02.160 like

01:01:02.360 you

01:01:02.740 can't

01:01:03.060 possibly

01:01:03.560 move

01:01:03.840 the

01:01:04.020 embassy

01:01:04.300 to

01:01:04.580 Jerusalem

01:01:05.040 oh

01:01:05.320 no

01:01:05.480 it

01:01:05.660 would

01:01:05.760 result

01:01:06.080 in

01:01:06.240 massive

01:01:06.640 unrest

01:01:07.460 in

01:01:08.220 the

01:01:08.480 Middle

01:01:08.640 East

01:01:08.840 well

01:01:09.180 it

01:01:09.320 didn't

01:01:09.920 well

01:01:10.300 you

01:01:10.460 can

01:01:10.620 definitely

01:01:11.020 withdraw

01:01:11.360 all

01:01:11.720 the

01:01:11.860 troops

01:01:12.180 in

01:01:12.700 just

01:01:13.120 in

01:01:13.260 time

01:01:13.420 for

01:01:13.540 your

01:01:13.660 9-11

01:01:14.060 photo op

01:01:14.680 President

01:01:14.980 Biden

01:01:15.320 and

01:01:15.540 don't

01:01:15.780 worry

01:01:15.940 about

01:01:16.140 a

01:01:16.280 thing

01:01:16.520 oh

01:01:16.980 whoops

01:01:17.320 that

01:01:17.500 was

01:01:17.640 totally

01:01:18.040 wrong

01:01:18.440 we

01:01:18.680 we

01:01:19.000 got

01:01:19.380 it

01:01:19.480 wrong

01:01:19.640 again

01:01:19.940 Russia

01:01:20.580 is

01:01:20.840 a

01:01:20.960 thing

01:01:21.260 and

01:01:21.540 here's

01:01:21.880 the

01:01:22.000 dossier

01:01:22.440 right

01:01:22.880 so

01:01:23.080 why

01:01:23.360 are

01:01:32.360 intelligence

01:01:32.820 agencies

01:01:33.340 because

01:01:33.920 the

01:01:34.920 reality

01:01:35.420 is

01:01:35.960 intelligence

01:01:36.860 is an

01:01:37.280 assessment

01:01:37.740 and we

01:01:38.780 give our

01:01:39.220 best

01:01:39.540 assessment

01:01:40.020 to

01:01:40.280 policy

01:01:40.720 makers

01:01:41.180 at the

01:01:41.740 time

01:01:42.120 you know

01:01:42.680 is this

01:01:43.340 a

01:01:43.640 tested

01:01:44.400 long-term

01:01:46.100 assessment

01:01:46.660 is this

01:01:47.120 a new

01:01:47.400 assessment

01:01:47.900 was this

01:01:49.020 assessment

01:01:49.460 done

01:01:49.900 by

01:01:50.400 you know

01:01:51.360 just

01:01:51.680 one

01:01:52.340 aspect

01:01:52.940 of

01:01:53.460 intelligence

01:01:54.020 it gets

01:01:55.000 very

01:01:55.240 complicated

01:01:55.780 but

01:01:56.180 I tell

01:01:57.740 people all

01:01:58.120 the time

01:01:58.480 intelligence

01:01:59.520 is an

01:01:59.920 assessment

01:02:00.360 and we

01:02:00.800 need to

01:02:01.240 remember

01:02:01.740 that

01:02:02.200 it's

01:02:02.860 not

01:02:03.120 always

01:02:03.480 a

01:02:03.640 perfect

01:02:03.940 science

01:02:04.600 and so

01:02:05.260 when

01:02:07.040 we do

01:02:07.520 have

01:02:08.040 information

01:02:08.740 like

01:02:09.420 moving

01:02:11.140 the

01:02:11.360 embassy

01:02:11.640 would be

01:02:12.080 a

01:02:12.240 disaster

01:02:12.780 there

01:02:14.460 there

01:02:15.400 I can

01:02:15.860 tell

01:02:16.100 you

01:02:16.260 from

01:02:16.500 my

01:02:16.700 personal

01:02:17.020 experience

01:02:17.480 there

01:02:17.720 wasn't

01:02:18.280 any

01:02:18.700 other

01:02:19.080 voices

01:02:19.520 saying

01:02:20.200 but

01:02:21.240 maybe

01:02:21.680 you

01:02:21.940 could

01:02:22.100 do

01:02:22.300 it

01:02:22.520 in

01:02:22.780 a

01:02:22.960 safe

01:02:23.240 way

01:02:23.560 maybe

01:02:24.800 you

01:02:25.100 could

01:02:25.300 do

01:02:25.500 it

01:02:25.660 in

01:02:26.140 a

01:02:26.260 way

01:02:26.460 that

01:02:26.740 would

01:02:26.980 not

01:02:27.260 cause

01:02:27.620 chaos

01:02:28.180 many

01:02:28.960 times

01:02:29.420 though

01:02:29.580 we

01:02:29.740 do

01:02:29.960 have

01:02:30.340 assessments

01:02:31.180 that

01:02:31.520 hedge

01:02:31.960 that

01:02:32.580 say

01:02:33.000 well

01:02:33.500 the

01:02:33.680 Taliban

01:02:34.140 may

01:02:34.640 be

01:02:35.040 ready

01:02:36.820 to

01:02:37.200 come

01:02:37.660 back

01:02:38.020 it

01:02:38.260 could

01:02:38.440 be

01:02:38.600 quick

01:02:38.880 or

01:02:39.140 it

01:02:39.300 could

01:02:39.480 take

01:02:39.740 a

01:02:39.860 while

01:02:40.080 now

01:02:40.300 those

01:02:40.560 assessments

01:02:41.000 generally

01:02:41.640 are not

01:02:42.060 very

01:02:42.640 helpful

01:02:43.040 and you

01:02:43.920 want to

01:02:44.140 dig in

01:02:44.660 but

01:02:45.460 at the

01:02:46.780 end of

01:02:47.140 the day

01:02:47.660 we need

01:02:48.660 to hold

01:02:49.300 our

01:02:49.560 intelligence

01:02:50.040 community

01:02:50.700 to a

01:02:51.740 higher

01:02:52.080 standard

01:02:52.640 and this

01:02:53.340 is where

01:02:53.640 I can

01:02:53.980 get very

01:02:54.620 critical

01:02:55.080 of

01:02:55.520 Avril

01:02:55.860 Haynes

01:02:56.260 because

01:02:56.520 I think

01:02:57.020 she came

01:02:57.940 in

01:02:58.220 saying

01:02:59.020 that

01:02:59.260 she

01:02:59.400 was

01:02:59.540 going

01:02:59.660 to

01:02:59.700 be

01:02:59.820 very

01:03:00.160 transparent

01:03:00.800 about

01:03:01.700 the

01:03:01.900 process

01:03:02.300 and

01:03:02.760 as

01:03:02.940 you

01:03:03.100 just

01:03:03.340 pointed

01:03:03.600 out

01:03:03.840 Megan

01:03:04.140 we

01:03:04.860 have

01:03:05.240 a

01:03:05.420 huge

01:03:06.020 dilemma

01:03:06.480 did

01:03:07.560 the

01:03:07.780 intelligence

01:03:08.240 community

01:03:08.900 tell

01:03:09.400 Joe

01:03:09.760 Biden

01:03:10.140 that

01:03:11.020 the

01:03:11.280 Taliban

01:03:11.720 would

01:03:12.200 take

01:03:12.460 over

01:03:12.720 fast

01:03:13.300 or

01:03:13.900 did

01:03:14.200 they

01:03:14.560 fail

01:03:15.580 to

01:03:15.800 tell

01:03:16.040 him

01:03:16.200 that

01:03:16.480 he

01:03:16.920 Joe

01:03:17.260 Biden

01:03:17.580 has

01:03:17.860 blamed

01:03:18.260 the

01:03:18.460 intelligence

01:03:18.840 community

01:03:19.380 Avril

01:03:19.800 Haynes

01:03:20.100 needs

01:03:20.300 to

01:03:20.460 come

01:03:20.660 forward

01:03:21.120 and

01:03:21.680 explain

01:03:22.120 did

01:03:22.360 her

01:03:22.620 team

01:03:22.980 fail

01:03:23.440 or

01:03:24.020 can

01:03:27.200 I

01:03:27.320 ask

01:03:27.660 you

01:03:27.740 a

01:03:27.820 question

01:03:28.000 because

01:03:28.140 one

01:03:28.340 of

01:03:28.440 the

01:03:29.120 questions

01:03:29.400 I've

01:03:29.620 had

01:03:29.800 watching

01:03:30.120 all

01:03:30.280 the

01:03:30.380 coverage

01:03:30.680 of

01:03:30.820 this

01:03:31.040 is

01:03:31.400 obviously

01:03:32.740 I

01:03:32.960 believe

01:03:33.520 that

01:03:33.840 Americans

01:03:34.220 are

01:03:34.520 upset

01:03:35.560 with

01:03:35.780 the

01:03:35.880 way

01:03:36.000 this

01:03:36.180 was

01:03:36.340 handled

01:03:36.660 and

01:03:37.100 the

01:03:37.240 images

01:03:37.500 are

01:03:37.840 upsetting

01:03:38.600 and

01:03:38.880 searing

01:03:39.240 however

01:03:39.980 I

01:03:40.440 also

01:03:40.900 wonder

01:03:41.600 is

01:03:42.360 this

01:03:42.760 in

01:03:43.000 fact

01:03:43.280 what

01:03:43.460 we're

01:03:43.600 really

01:03:43.820 upset

01:03:44.100 about

01:03:44.400 or

01:03:44.900 is

01:03:45.240 it

01:03:45.360 the

01:03:45.520 feeling

01:03:45.820 that

01:03:46.060 we've

01:03:46.320 lost

01:03:46.700 the

01:03:47.020 war

01:03:47.340 that

01:03:47.700 the

01:03:47.880 war

01:03:48.320 didn't

01:03:49.280 end

01:03:49.940 the

01:03:50.840 way

01:03:51.180 we'd

01:03:51.600 hoped

01:03:54.020 was

01:03:54.220 sacrificed

01:03:54.740 and

01:03:55.600 there

01:03:55.800 will

01:03:56.080 be

01:03:56.320 no

01:03:56.720 spike

01:03:57.140 the

01:03:57.340 ball

01:03:57.560 in

01:03:57.680 the

01:03:57.780 end

01:03:57.980 zone

01:03:58.180 moment

01:03:58.560 I

01:03:58.940 think

01:03:59.100 it's

01:03:59.260 both

01:03:59.600 Americans

01:04:00.320 obviously

01:04:00.980 are

01:04:01.160 accustomed

01:04:01.480 to

01:04:01.640 winning

01:04:01.820 and

01:04:02.700 we

01:04:02.900 do

01:04:03.140 have

01:04:03.360 the

01:04:03.500 greatest

01:04:03.740 military

01:04:04.280 in

01:04:04.820 the

01:04:05.180 history

01:04:05.520 of

01:04:05.700 the

01:04:05.820 world

01:04:06.140 we

01:04:07.200 are

01:04:07.400 always

01:04:07.800 capable

01:04:08.180 of

01:04:08.500 winning

01:04:08.740 and

01:04:09.680 when

01:04:10.040 we

01:04:10.540 mess

01:04:11.040 up

01:04:11.300 at

01:04:11.500 the

01:04:11.660 end

01:04:11.960 then

01:04:13.400 I

01:04:13.680 think

01:04:13.900 Americans

01:04:14.380 are

01:04:14.620 right

01:04:14.980 to

01:04:15.320 hold

01:04:15.620 us

01:04:16.260 to

01:04:16.400 account

01:04:16.840 who

01:04:17.540 is

01:04:17.700 responsible

01:04:18.240 yes

01:04:18.620 we

01:04:18.760 know

01:04:18.900 that

01:04:19.040 Joe

01:04:19.200 Biden

01:04:19.380 is

01:04:19.500 responsible

01:04:19.880 but

01:04:20.060 he's

01:04:20.300 not

01:04:20.440 going

01:04:20.580 to

01:04:20.680 resign

01:04:21.060 but

01:04:21.680 we

01:04:22.060 need

01:04:22.300 to

01:04:22.460 see

01:04:22.640 changes

01:04:23.200 is

01:04:23.680 it

01:04:23.800 the

01:04:23.880 Secretary

01:04:24.340 of

01:04:25.660 Defense

01:04:26.040 or

01:04:26.320 is

01:04:26.560 it

01:04:26.740 the

01:04:27.400 Joint

01:04:27.700 Chiefs

01:04:28.080 of

01:04:28.180 Staff

01:04:28.560 but

01:04:29.140 let

01:04:29.600 me

01:04:29.740 tell

01:04:29.980 you

01:04:30.200 somebody

01:04:31.520 needs

01:04:32.320 to be

01:04:32.700 held

01:04:32.960 to

01:04:33.180 account

01:04:33.640 and

01:04:34.200 be

01:04:34.480 fired

01:04:35.020 you

01:04:35.340 know

01:04:35.420 this

01:04:35.640 is

01:04:35.760 the

01:04:35.880 type

01:04:36.040 of

01:04:36.160 thing

01:04:36.300 that

01:04:36.440 Donald

01:04:36.660 Trump

01:04:36.880 the

01:04:37.020 next

01:04:37.200 day

01:04:37.380 would

01:04:37.560 have

01:04:37.680 fired

01:04:37.940 somebody

01:04:38.320 over

01:04:38.740 but

01:04:39.300 in

01:04:39.460 Washington

01:04:39.960 that's

01:04:40.540 not

01:04:40.660 what

01:04:40.800 happens

01:04:41.160 it's

01:04:41.360 a

01:04:41.460 blame

01:04:41.720 game

01:04:42.040 and

01:04:42.180 it's

01:04:42.340 a

01:04:42.500 rush

01:04:42.740 from

01:04:42.920 the

01:04:43.060 media

01:04:43.340 which

01:04:43.600 we

01:04:43.740 could

01:04:43.860 do

01:04:43.980 a

01:04:44.100 whole

01:04:44.260 other

01:04:44.500 segment

01:04:44.880 on

01:04:45.520 the

01:04:45.680 failures

01:04:46.080 of

01:04:46.280 the

01:04:46.420 media

01:04:46.720 when

01:04:46.980 it

01:04:47.120 comes

01:04:47.440 to

01:04:47.840 rushing

01:04:48.500 us

01:04:48.760 into

01:04:48.980 war

01:04:49.320 and

01:04:49.600 then

01:04:49.760 not

01:04:50.020 holding

01:04:50.340 people

01:04:50.640 accountable

01:04:51.120 on

01:04:51.740 the

01:04:51.860 military

01:04:52.160 side

01:04:52.600 so

01:04:53.100 is

01:04:53.280 this

01:04:53.580 Rick

01:04:53.940 do

01:04:54.100 you

01:04:54.220 think

01:04:54.520 a

01:04:55.200 story

01:04:55.720 that

01:04:56.260 will

01:04:57.000 move

01:04:57.260 past

01:04:57.600 quickly

01:04:58.060 you

01:04:58.860 know

01:04:58.940 the

01:04:59.060 troops

01:04:59.300 will

01:04:59.460 come

01:04:59.600 out

01:04:59.920 the

01:05:00.280 diplomatic

01:05:01.420 personnel

01:05:01.880 will

01:05:02.080 come

01:05:02.240 out

01:05:02.520 whatever

01:05:02.940 Afghans

01:05:03.560 we

01:05:03.760 choose

01:05:04.060 to

01:05:04.380 remove

01:05:04.940 will

01:05:05.160 come

01:05:12.180 and

01:05:12.600 this

01:05:12.800 will

01:05:12.980 be

01:05:13.420 if

01:05:13.920 not

01:05:14.120 the

01:05:14.340 thing

01:05:14.640 one

01:05:14.900 of

01:05:15.000 the

01:05:15.140 top

01:05:15.420 things

01:05:15.720 he

01:05:15.900 is

01:05:16.040 remembered

01:05:16.360 for

01:05:16.660 well

01:05:17.220 I

01:05:17.340 think

01:05:17.540 I

01:05:18.160 go

01:05:18.340 back

01:05:18.600 to

01:05:18.880 my

01:05:19.580 opening

01:05:19.980 comment

01:05:20.480 which

01:05:20.920 is

01:05:21.420 the

01:05:21.740 images

01:05:22.300 are

01:05:23.160 seared

01:05:23.720 into

01:05:23.960 the

01:05:24.120 American

01:05:24.380 people's

01:05:24.880 minds

01:05:25.240 and

01:05:25.960 so

01:05:26.220 that's

01:05:26.560 never

01:05:26.740 going

01:05:27.000 away

01:05:27.380 so

01:05:28.120 I

01:05:28.560 think

01:05:28.800 Joe

01:05:29.020 Biden's

01:05:29.420 legacy

01:05:29.720 is

01:05:30.180 ruined

01:05:30.480 I

01:05:31.200 think

01:05:31.500 it

01:05:32.060 fits

01:05:32.480 the

01:05:32.680 narrative

01:05:32.960 that

01:05:33.440 secretaries

01:05:34.880 of

01:05:35.060 defense

01:05:35.560 in the

01:05:36.140 Obama

01:05:36.420 administration

01:05:36.860 have

01:05:37.340 said

01:05:37.640 which

01:05:37.900 is

01:05:38.140 that

01:05:38.400 Joe

01:05:38.720 Biden

01:05:42.180 policy

01:05:42.620 issues

01:05:43.120 I

01:05:44.040 think

01:05:44.280 he's

01:05:44.880 turned

01:05:45.360 out

01:05:45.560 to be

01:05:45.800 a

01:05:45.900 disaster

01:05:46.300 we

01:05:46.580 know

01:05:46.820 he's

01:05:47.540 weak

01:05:47.980 in

01:05:48.400 terms

01:05:48.640 of

01:05:48.760 the

01:05:48.900 State

01:05:49.080 Department

01:05:49.480 they'll

01:05:49.940 move

01:05:50.100 on

01:05:50.340 they

01:05:50.500 won't

01:05:50.680 blame

01:05:50.940 anybody

01:05:51.280 they

01:05:51.520 won't

01:05:51.700 blame

01:05:51.900 the

01:05:52.040 ambassador

01:05:52.420 which

01:05:52.680 I

01:05:52.820 think

01:05:53.060 the

01:05:53.800 acting

01:05:54.720 U.S.

01:05:55.040 ambassador

01:05:55.340 should be

01:05:55.780 held to

01:05:56.160 account

01:05:56.580 for

01:05:57.440 this

01:05:57.980 he

01:05:58.200 should

01:05:58.580 have

01:05:58.680 spoken

01:05:59.000 up

01:05:59.360 he

01:05:59.860 should

01:06:00.040 have

01:06:00.140 had

01:06:00.300 his

01:06:00.440 people

01:06:00.760 evacuated

01:06:01.580 beforehand

01:06:02.140 we

01:06:03.620 knew

01:06:04.000 that

01:06:04.520 we

01:06:04.840 were

01:06:05.040 drawing

01:06:05.480 down

01:06:05.920 there's

01:06:06.220 no

01:06:06.380 excuse

01:06:06.940 for

01:06:07.400 having

01:06:07.800 too

01:06:08.040 many

01:06:08.200 people

01:06:08.500 at

01:06:08.700 the

01:06:08.840 embassy

01:06:09.180 I

01:06:10.780 think

01:06:11.160 there's

01:06:11.360 a lot

01:06:11.620 of

01:06:11.720 blame

01:06:11.900 to

01:06:12.020 go

01:06:12.160 around

01:06:12.500 and

01:06:12.920 we

01:06:13.420 would

01:06:13.600 rely

01:06:13.980 on

01:06:14.340 journalists

01:06:15.420 to

01:06:16.140 point

01:06:16.580 out

01:06:17.060 and

01:06:17.760 to

01:06:18.000 help

01:06:18.360 sharpen

01:06:18.920 the

01:06:19.260 criticism

01:06:19.740 but

01:06:20.780 we

01:06:21.300 don't

01:06:21.520 have

01:06:22.000 a

01:06:22.540 DC

01:06:23.500 press

01:06:24.080 corps

01:06:24.380 that's

01:06:24.720 willing

01:06:25.220 to

01:06:25.580 do

01:06:25.740 that

01:06:26.000 but

01:06:26.240 you

01:06:26.480 know

01:06:26.540 Megan

01:06:26.740 I

01:06:27.640 have

01:06:28.100 to

01:06:28.240 say

01:06:28.500 that

01:06:28.700 there's

01:06:28.920 one

01:06:29.140 aspect

01:06:29.600 of

01:06:29.880 this

01:06:30.220 that

01:06:30.680 really

01:06:31.160 you

01:06:32.200 have

01:06:32.620 a

01:06:32.840 very

01:06:33.360 unique

01:06:34.360 insight

01:06:35.180 to

01:06:35.500 which

01:06:35.800 is

01:06:36.060 the

01:06:36.380 Bergdahl

01:06:36.960 five

01:06:37.460 and

01:06:38.640 you

01:06:39.000 were

01:06:39.220 the

01:06:39.460 one

01:06:39.700 who

01:06:40.040 broke

01:06:40.300 that

01:06:40.540 story

01:06:40.960 by

01:06:42.240 talking

01:06:42.700 to

01:06:42.940 Bo

01:06:43.140 Bergdahl's

01:06:43.760 platoon

01:06:44.140 mates

01:06:44.520 and

01:06:45.660 one

01:06:46.120 of

01:06:46.300 the

01:06:46.700 individuals

01:06:47.480 in

01:06:48.040 the

01:06:48.260 swap

01:06:48.700 that

01:06:49.560 President

01:06:50.240 Obama

01:06:50.780 and

01:06:51.020 Vice

01:06:51.240 President

01:06:51.660 Biden

01:06:52.160 did

01:06:52.700 who

01:06:54.240 he

01:06:54.940 let

01:06:55.200 out

01:06:55.520 of

01:06:55.700 Gitmo

01:06:56.120 one

01:06:56.760 of

01:06:56.880 those

01:06:57.060 individuals

01:06:57.660 just

01:06:58.440 led

01:06:58.840 the

01:06:59.040 revolt

01:06:59.440 for

01:07:00.240 the

01:07:00.420 Taliban

01:07:00.760 and

01:07:01.260 came

01:07:01.520 roaring

01:07:01.960 back

01:07:02.500 and

01:07:03.160 you

01:07:03.420 know

01:07:03.540 Senator

01:07:03.880 Tom

01:07:04.200 Cotton

01:07:04.500 has

01:07:04.840 been

01:07:05.280 warning

01:07:05.720 for

01:07:06.140 a

01:07:06.460 very

01:07:06.700 long

01:07:06.960 time

01:07:07.280 that

01:07:07.480 this

01:07:07.680 would

01:07:07.840 happen

01:07:08.140 and

01:07:09.180 there

01:07:09.400 are

01:07:09.540 consequences

01:07:10.140 to that

01:07:10.620 swap

01:07:10.960 yeah

01:07:11.900 oh that

01:07:12.560 story

01:07:12.880 was

01:07:13.240 chilling

01:07:13.840 don't

01:07:15.920 leave me

01:07:16.200 now

01:07:16.400 we got

01:07:16.680 more coming

01:07:17.140 up in

01:07:17.460 60 seconds

01:07:18.160 there

01:07:23.220 there

01:07:23.260 are

01:07:23.420 consequences

01:07:23.960 to these

01:07:24.760 decisions

01:07:25.200 this

01:07:25.460 has been

01:07:25.840 you know

01:07:26.520 we're

01:07:26.840 now

01:07:26.980 four

01:07:27.280 administrations

01:07:28.060 in

01:07:28.360 mistakes

01:07:28.800 have been

01:07:29.120 made

01:07:29.360 across

01:07:29.760 the

01:07:29.980 board

01:07:30.280 and

01:07:31.160 the

01:07:31.540 guys

01:07:31.860 who

01:07:32.000 went

01:07:32.120 over

01:07:32.280 there

01:07:32.460 and

01:07:32.600 fought

01:07:32.880 and

01:07:32.980 the

01:07:33.100 families

01:07:33.440 the

01:07:33.580 gold

01:07:33.780 star

01:07:33.980 families

01:07:34.320 who

01:07:34.500 lost

01:07:34.900 some

01:07:35.320 2500

01:07:35.820 Americans

01:07:36.520 are

01:07:37.260 left

01:07:37.580 wondering

01:07:38.020 was it

01:07:38.700 worth

01:07:38.960 it

01:07:39.220 but I

01:07:39.960 will

01:07:40.320 say

01:07:40.580 on a

01:07:41.020 larger

01:07:41.340 scale

01:07:41.800 Rick

01:07:42.120 to me

01:07:43.380 this is

01:07:43.700 feeling

01:07:44.020 I said

01:07:44.340 it

01:07:44.420 yesterday

01:07:44.720 I'll

01:07:44.900 say it

01:07:45.080 again

01:07:45.240 very

01:07:45.480 Jimmy

01:07:45.820 Carter

01:07:46.220 esque

01:07:46.580 it's

01:07:46.920 feeling

01:07:47.300 like a

01:07:47.720 Jimmy

01:07:47.980 Carter

01:07:48.380 moment

01:07:48.800 because

01:07:49.160 it

01:07:49.940 isn't

01:07:50.300 just

01:07:50.560 what's

01:07:50.860 happening

01:07:51.140 in

01:07:51.300 Afghanistan

01:07:51.820 you know

01:07:52.320 it's

01:07:52.720 what's

01:07:53.400 happening

01:07:53.700 with

01:07:53.940 COVID

01:07:54.260 and

01:07:54.620 you know

01:07:55.020 hints

01:07:55.320 of

01:07:55.500 maybe

01:07:55.840 we're

01:07:56.040 going

01:07:56.120 to

01:07:56.180 lock

01:07:56.380 down

01:07:56.640 again

01:07:56.860 and

01:07:57.000 everybody

01:07:57.240 has

01:07:57.480 to

01:07:57.600 mask

01:07:57.860 up

01:07:58.060 based

01:07:58.300 on

01:07:58.480 one

01:07:58.800 outbreak

01:07:59.340 of

01:07:59.560 Delta

01:07:59.920 in

01:08:00.260 Provincetown

01:08:01.140 that

01:08:01.720 happened

01:08:02.380 over a

01:08:03.200 weekend

01:08:03.440 with a

01:08:03.740 population

01:08:04.240 that was

01:08:04.860 taking

01:08:05.120 risks

01:08:05.520 Andrew

01:08:05.900 Sullivan

01:08:06.240 described

01:08:06.640 for us

01:08:07.020 it's

01:08:07.140 just

01:08:07.260 absurd

01:08:07.680 that

01:08:07.860 don't

01:08:08.200 apply

01:08:08.520 to

01:08:08.660 the

01:08:08.760 general

01:08:08.960 population

01:08:09.540 it's

01:08:10.460 you know

01:08:10.960 shutting

01:08:11.360 down

01:08:11.600 our

01:08:11.760 oil

01:08:11.960 production

01:08:12.380 and

01:08:12.540 then

01:08:12.680 asking

01:08:13.280 OPEC

01:08:14.540 to come

01:08:14.860 up

01:08:15.000 with

01:08:15.140 more

01:08:15.500 it's

01:08:15.980 you know

01:08:16.340 you could

01:08:16.900 go on

01:08:17.360 with a

01:08:17.680 number

01:08:17.880 of

01:08:18.060 things

01:08:18.260 that

01:08:18.380 are

01:08:18.480 happening

01:08:18.780 domestically

01:08:19.400 that

01:08:19.620 right

01:08:19.840 now

01:08:20.120 inflation

01:08:20.820 on a

01:08:21.540 massive

01:08:21.760 scale

01:08:22.140 as we

01:08:22.460 spend

01:08:22.780 looks

01:08:23.260 like

01:08:23.420 over

01:08:23.580 four

01:08:23.960 trillion

01:08:24.500 dollars

01:08:24.880 more

01:08:25.080 money

01:08:25.300 that

01:08:25.460 we

01:08:25.560 don't

01:08:25.720 have

01:08:26.060 I

01:08:26.680 just

01:08:26.900 think

01:08:27.280 it

01:08:27.760 doesn't

01:08:28.040 feel

01:08:35.520 these

01:08:35.800 data

01:08:36.920 points

01:08:37.360 and

01:08:37.560 say

01:08:37.840 things

01:08:38.520 are

01:08:38.640 going

01:08:38.840 swimmingly

01:08:39.420 I

01:08:39.560 feel

01:08:39.740 really

01:08:40.020 optimistic

01:08:40.520 yeah

01:08:41.340 well

01:08:42.180 look

01:08:42.360 I

01:08:42.460 have

01:08:42.580 two

01:08:42.780 thoughts

01:08:43.240 the

01:08:44.140 first

01:08:44.820 is

01:08:45.960 that

01:08:46.620 we

01:08:47.000 need

01:08:47.220 to

01:08:47.320 be

01:08:47.420 very

01:08:47.640 clear

01:08:47.920 to

01:08:48.120 our

01:08:48.280 US

01:08:48.520 military

01:08:49.020 who

01:08:49.740 served

01:08:50.160 in

01:08:50.280 Afghanistan

01:08:50.780 that

01:08:51.400 their

01:08:51.600 service

01:08:51.920 was

01:08:52.140 not

01:08:52.340 in

01:08:52.520 vain

01:08:52.780 they

01:08:53.740 did

01:08:54.900 exactly

01:08:55.540 what

01:08:55.800 they

01:08:55.940 were

01:08:56.100 asked

01:08:56.400 to

01:08:56.580 do

01:08:56.720 they

01:08:56.880 made

01:08:57.180 America

01:08:57.560 safer

01:08:57.960 by

01:08:58.280 defeating

01:08:58.900 the

01:08:59.700 terrorists

01:09:00.260 and making

01:09:00.800 sure

01:09:01.160 that

01:09:01.360 that

01:09:01.540 was

01:09:02.160 not

01:09:02.460 going

01:09:02.700 to

01:09:02.840 be

01:09:03.040 a

01:09:03.300 terrorist

01:09:03.920 haven

01:09:04.640 the

01:09:05.480 fact

01:09:05.800 that

01:09:06.080 politicians

01:09:06.960 and

01:09:07.660 the

01:09:07.820 Washington

01:09:08.260 types

01:09:08.800 screwed

01:09:09.620 it up

01:09:09.920 at the

01:09:10.200 end

01:09:10.540 is

01:09:11.240 not

01:09:11.480 their

01:09:11.740 fault

01:09:12.080 and

01:09:12.340 they

01:09:12.500 should

01:09:12.720 have

01:09:13.160 their

01:09:13.360 head

01:09:13.740 held

01:09:14.300 very

01:09:15.480 high

01:09:15.980 they

01:09:16.700 made

01:09:16.960 us

01:09:17.160 safer

01:09:17.560 that's

01:09:18.480 the

01:09:18.620 first

01:09:18.820 point

01:09:19.020 the

01:09:19.160 second

01:09:19.360 point

01:09:19.600 I

01:09:19.720 would

01:09:19.860 just

01:09:20.060 say

01:09:20.380 I'm

01:09:21.500 I'm

01:09:22.240 very

01:09:22.560 cognizant

01:09:23.320 that

01:09:23.660 every

01:09:24.040 great

01:09:24.400 civilization

01:09:25.000 has

01:09:25.360 lasted

01:09:25.740 roughly

01:09:26.160 250

01:09:26.840 years

01:09:27.420 and

01:09:28.480 Ronald

01:09:28.860 Reagan's

01:09:29.620 warning

01:09:30.140 that

01:09:30.720 every

01:09:31.100 generation

01:09:31.720 has

01:09:32.860 to

01:09:33.160 step

01:09:33.600 up

01:09:33.920 to

01:09:34.140 secure

01:09:34.600 liberty

01:09:35.020 you

01:09:36.560 may

01:09:36.840 not

01:09:37.280 be

01:09:37.860 storming

01:09:38.480 the

01:09:38.600 beaches

01:09:38.840 of

01:09:39.100 Normandy

01:09:39.540 but

01:09:40.560 we

01:09:41.020 can't

01:09:41.300 give

01:09:41.420 up

01:09:41.520 our

01:09:41.680 liberties

01:09:41.940 we

01:09:42.260 are

01:09:42.380 the

01:09:42.560 greatest

01:09:42.900 idea

01:09:43.380 that

01:09:43.580 has

01:09:43.760 ever

01:09:44.100 been

01:09:44.400 thought

01:09:45.300 of

01:09:45.480 in

01:09:45.580 the

01:09:45.680 world

01:09:45.960 and

01:09:46.520 we

01:09:46.780 need

01:09:46.920 to

01:09:47.040 protect

01:09:47.360 that

01:09:47.640 and

01:09:47.780 American

01:09:48.180 people

01:09:48.620 need

01:09:49.400 to

01:09:49.660 understand

01:09:50.320 that

01:09:50.640 they

01:09:51.160 can't

01:09:52.080 get

01:09:52.320 fat

01:09:52.620 and

01:09:52.760 happy

01:09:53.120 and

01:09:53.740 I'm

01:09:53.960 concerned

01:09:54.340 because

01:09:54.720 the

01:09:55.080 first

01:09:55.320 and

01:09:55.480 second

01:09:55.680 generation

01:09:56.240 Americans

01:09:56.700 realize

01:09:57.220 this

01:09:57.540 they

01:09:57.740 came

01:09:58.060 from

01:09:58.420 fascism

01:09:59.340 and

01:09:59.700 they're

01:10:00.020 very

01:10:00.300 sensitive

01:10:00.720 to

01:10:01.360 a

01:10:01.940 media

01:10:02.240 that

01:10:02.580 becomes

01:10:03.020 the

01:10:03.220 mouthpiece

01:10:03.720 of

01:10:03.880 the

01:10:04.040 ruling

01:10:04.300 class

01:10:04.900 and

01:10:05.520 the

01:10:06.240 little

01:10:07.700 attacks

01:10:08.740 on

01:10:09.080 our

01:10:09.280 liberties

01:10:09.700 I

01:10:10.600 think

01:10:10.800 the

01:10:10.980 problem

01:10:11.280 we

01:10:11.480 have

01:10:11.820 are

01:10:12.460 the

01:10:12.640 sixth

01:10:12.920 seventh

01:10:13.200 eighth

01:10:13.440 generation

01:10:13.960 Americans

01:10:14.380 who

01:10:15.180 you know

01:10:15.720 like

01:10:15.940 a

01:10:16.100 Megan

01:10:16.360 Rapinoe

01:10:17.320 who

01:10:17.940 has

01:10:18.680 a

01:10:19.740 soccer

01:10:20.200 player

01:10:20.660 let's

01:10:21.120 be

01:10:21.280 honest

01:10:21.540 a

01:10:21.800 lesbian

01:10:22.420 soccer

01:10:23.420 player

01:10:23.700 the

01:10:23.940 U.S.

01:10:24.440 women's

01:10:24.800 team

01:10:25.020 is

01:10:25.200 filled

01:10:25.640 with

01:10:25.960 lesbians

01:10:26.680 don't

01:10:27.540 you

01:10:27.680 think

01:10:28.100 that

01:10:28.420 lesbians

01:10:29.080 on the

01:10:29.440 world

01:10:29.780 stage

01:10:30.340 should

01:10:31.160 be

01:10:31.280 the

01:10:31.440 most

01:10:31.660 vocal

01:10:32.140 for

01:10:32.560 America

01:10:32.920 they're

01:10:33.220 playing

01:10:33.500 against

01:10:33.860 69

01:10:34.500 countries

01:10:35.120 that

01:10:35.780 criminalize

01:10:36.640 homosexuality

01:10:37.520 they're

01:10:37.720 playing

01:10:37.980 against

01:10:38.380 nine

01:10:38.900 countries

01:10:39.760 that

01:10:40.240 will

01:10:40.440 kill

01:10:40.940 them

01:10:41.260 and

01:10:41.960 yet

01:10:42.140 we

01:10:42.360 have

01:10:42.800 an

01:10:43.160 American

01:10:43.680 lesbian

01:10:44.140 who

01:10:45.020 sits

01:10:45.460 down

01:10:46.080 and

01:10:46.620 kneels

01:10:47.120 for

01:10:47.320 the

01:10:47.440 American

01:10:47.720 flag

01:10:48.300 while

01:10:49.040 she's

01:10:49.400 cashing

01:10:49.820 her

01:10:50.020 check

01:10:50.360 as

01:10:50.660 the

01:10:50.900 subway

01:10:51.340 spokeswoman

01:10:52.340 it's

01:10:52.980 outrageous

01:10:53.540 the

01:10:54.260 the

01:10:54.840 white

01:10:55.760 and

01:10:56.680 I

01:10:56.840 shouldn't

01:10:57.200 say

01:10:57.360 white

01:10:57.640 but

01:10:57.860 it

01:10:58.380 seems

01:10:58.840 like

01:10:59.120 there's

01:10:59.360 a lot

01:10:59.820 of

01:10:59.980 6th

01:11:00.340 7th

01:11:00.680 8th

01:11:01.000 generation

01:11:01.560 white

01:11:01.920 families

01:11:02.320 in

01:11:02.440 America

01:11:02.780 that

01:11:03.600 somehow

01:11:04.080 think

01:11:04.520 America

01:11:05.000 is a

01:11:05.440 terrible

01:11:05.720 place

01:11:06.080 and

01:11:06.200 they're

01:11:06.320 teaching

01:11:06.620 their

01:11:06.840 children

01:11:07.140 that

01:11:07.520 and

01:11:07.940 it's

01:11:08.200 the

01:11:08.740 exact

01:11:09.180 opposite

01:11:09.720 and

01:11:10.080 they

01:11:10.260 haven't

01:11:11.180 tasted

01:11:11.740 what

01:11:12.100 life

01:11:12.400 is

01:11:12.540 like

01:11:12.760 overseas

01:11:13.220 and

01:11:13.680 so

01:11:13.880 they've

01:11:14.120 become

01:11:14.360 fat

01:11:14.660 and

01:11:14.800 happy

01:11:15.100 and

01:11:16.620 there's

01:11:16.800 a

01:11:16.940 reason

01:11:17.200 those

01:11:17.620 Afghan

01:11:18.280 family

01:11:19.440 members

01:11:19.880 were

01:11:20.240 trying

01:11:20.560 to get

01:11:20.840 on

01:11:21.040 that

01:11:21.240 plane

01:11:21.600 to

01:11:22.160 get

01:11:22.340 out

01:11:22.600 of

01:11:22.700 a

01:11:22.820 country

01:11:23.060 like

01:11:23.320 that

01:11:23.680 where

01:11:24.340 they're

01:11:24.880 so

01:11:25.060 worried

01:11:25.240 about

01:11:25.380 the

01:11:25.500 Taliban

01:11:25.780 taking

01:11:26.120 over

01:11:26.340 they're

01:11:26.620 covering

01:11:27.260 up

01:11:27.520 the

01:11:27.680 pictures

01:11:27.940 of

01:11:28.100 the

01:11:28.200 women

01:11:28.400 on

01:11:28.560 the

01:11:28.660 outside

01:11:29.020 of

01:11:29.200 the

01:11:29.340 barbershops

01:11:29.960 and the

01:11:30.300 hair

01:11:30.600 salons

01:11:31.000 because

01:11:31.220 you're

01:11:31.400 not

01:11:31.520 allowed

01:11:31.700 to show

01:11:31.920 your face

01:11:32.440 your hair

01:11:33.280 that's

01:11:34.260 Afghanistan

01:11:34.760 right

01:11:35.220 and

01:11:35.440 they talk

01:11:36.140 about

01:11:36.320 the

01:11:36.440 United

01:11:36.660 States

01:11:37.100 like

01:11:38.020 it's

01:11:38.360 the

01:11:38.580 same

01:11:38.980 and

01:11:39.280 there

01:11:39.400 was

01:11:39.500 just

01:11:39.660 a

01:11:39.780 report

01:11:40.020 this

01:11:40.220 week

01:11:40.440 that

01:11:40.720 Hope

01:11:41.140 Solo

01:11:41.460 former

01:11:41.980 US

01:11:42.400 women's

01:11:43.320 soccer

01:11:43.480 player

01:11:43.760 came out

01:11:44.400 and said

01:11:44.740 Megan Rapinoe

01:11:45.580 has been

01:11:45.860 bullying

01:11:46.220 the other

01:11:46.620 players

01:11:46.920 on the

01:11:47.180 team

01:11:47.420 to make

01:11:47.960 sure

01:11:48.120 they

01:11:48.320 kneel

01:11:48.660 during

01:11:49.220 the

01:11:49.380 national

01:11:49.660 anthem

01:11:49.960 so

01:11:50.240 she's

01:11:50.540 not

01:11:50.720 just

01:11:50.980 somebody

01:11:51.640 who

01:11:51.800 doesn't

01:11:52.040 love

01:11:52.220 her

01:11:52.320 country

01:11:52.620 she's

01:11:53.020 a

01:11:53.160 bully

01:11:53.400 and

01:11:53.900 she

01:11:54.200 objects

01:11:54.760 to

01:11:54.940 people

01:11:55.140 who

01:11:55.320 do

01:11:55.480 love

01:11:55.700 their

01:11:55.860 country

01:11:56.180 that's

01:11:56.520 Megan

01:11:56.720 Rapinoe

01:11:57.060 how does

01:11:57.380 she

01:11:57.520 get

01:11:57.700 tired

01:11:58.120 as a

01:11:58.440 spokesperson

01:11:58.740 for

01:11:59.100 anything

01:11:59.440 right

01:12:00.180 I

01:12:00.420 don't

01:12:00.660 eat

01:12:01.020 subway

01:12:01.380 but

01:12:01.580 I'm

01:12:01.700 certainly

01:12:01.900 not

01:12:02.080 going

01:12:02.180 to

01:12:02.240 eat

01:12:02.360 it

01:12:02.440 now

01:12:02.700 you

01:12:03.000 know

01:12:03.120 I'm

01:12:03.460 not

01:12:03.720 wearing

01:12:03.940 my

01:12:04.100 Nike

01:12:04.300 sneakers

01:12:04.700 either

01:12:05.020 I've

01:12:05.720 stopped

01:12:05.980 drinking

01:12:06.300 coke

01:12:06.640 there

01:12:06.880 are

01:12:06.980 little

01:12:07.160 things

01:12:07.500 that

01:12:07.660 make

01:12:07.820 you

01:12:07.940 feel

01:12:08.120 a

01:12:08.240 little

01:12:08.340 bit

01:12:08.500 better

01:12:08.760 about

01:12:09.040 fighting

01:12:09.360 back

01:12:09.740 but

01:12:10.540 you're

01:12:10.900 right

01:12:11.060 we have

01:12:11.380 to

01:12:11.480 speak

01:12:11.700 out

01:12:12.000 and

01:12:12.360 we

01:12:12.500 have

01:12:12.700 to

01:12:12.920 hold

01:12:13.460 our

01:12:13.620 leaders

01:12:13.900 accountable

01:12:14.340 and

01:12:14.680 what's

01:12:14.900 happening

01:12:15.160 now

01:12:15.560 could

01:12:16.180 really

01:12:16.620 lead

01:12:17.040 to

01:12:17.700 something

01:12:18.000 very

01:12:18.240 dangerous

01:12:18.640 in

01:12:18.840 the

01:12:18.960 United

01:12:19.160 States

01:12:19.620 I

01:12:20.020 do

01:12:20.200 I

01:12:20.440 echo

01:12:20.920 your

01:12:21.120 point

01:12:21.360 though

01:12:21.620 look

01:12:22.000 for

01:12:22.140 20

01:12:22.440 years

01:12:22.880 from

01:12:23.720 2001

01:12:24.260 to

01:12:24.480 the

01:12:24.600 present

01:12:24.860 day

01:12:25.160 we

01:12:25.380 have

01:12:25.480 not

01:12:25.680 had

01:12:25.860 a

01:12:26.240 massive

01:12:26.440 attack

01:12:26.760 on

01:12:26.900 American

01:12:27.180 soil

01:12:27.540 from

01:12:28.260 launched

01:12:28.620 by

01:12:28.800 Al-Qaeda

01:12:29.180 and

01:12:29.980 there's

01:12:30.260 a

01:12:30.380 reason

01:12:30.640 for

01:12:30.840 that

01:12:31.040 those

01:12:31.280 who

01:12:31.480 died

01:12:31.780 over

01:12:31.980 there

01:12:32.260 they

01:12:32.520 died

01:12:32.780 for

01:12:32.940 that

01:12:33.220 they

01:12:33.420 kept

01:12:33.660 us

01:12:33.860 safe

01:12:34.140 who

01:12:34.340 knows

01:12:34.580 how

01:12:34.720 many

01:12:34.880 American

01:12:35.220 lives

01:12:35.620 they

01:12:36.300 saved

01:12:36.720 during

01:12:36.960 that

01:12:37.200 period

01:12:37.580 they

01:12:38.160 did

01:12:38.380 their

01:12:38.580 job

01:12:39.020 what

01:12:39.660 happens

01:12:40.000 from

01:12:40.140 this

01:12:40.320 point

01:12:40.520 forward

01:12:40.880 is

01:12:41.340 as

01:12:41.500 a

01:12:41.620 result

01:12:41.900 of

01:12:42.080 politicians

01:12:42.580 decisions

01:12:43.140 and

01:12:44.040 they

01:12:44.240 too

01:12:44.460 should

01:12:44.660 be

01:12:44.800 held

01:12:44.980 to

01:12:45.160 account

01:12:45.560 and

01:12:46.360 decisions

01:12:46.740 can

01:12:47.000 be

01:12:47.140 reversed

01:12:47.580 and

01:12:48.120 leaders

01:12:48.420 can

01:12:48.700 be

01:12:48.960 ousted

01:12:49.380 so

01:12:50.320 we

01:12:50.480 still

01:12:50.720 have

01:12:50.940 options

01:12:51.420 available

01:12:52.180 to

01:12:52.480 us

01:12:52.780 Rick

01:12:53.440 I

01:12:53.560 wish

01:12:53.740 you

01:12:53.860 were

01:12:53.980 still

01:12:54.200 in

01:12:54.360 there

01:12:54.560 I

01:12:54.960 wish

01:12:55.180 we

01:12:55.680 had

01:12:55.800 a

01:12:55.900 voice

01:12:56.080 like

01:12:56.300 yours

01:12:56.600 speaking

01:12:57.120 to

01:12:57.280 power

01:12:57.500 right

01:12:57.740 now

01:12:57.980 well

01:12:58.440 thank

01:12:58.780 you

01:12:58.940 for

01:12:59.120 that

01:12:59.400 and

01:12:59.800 thank

01:13:00.220 you

01:13:00.380 for

01:13:00.700 these

01:13:01.280 podcasts

01:13:01.840 what

01:13:02.420 you

01:13:02.600 do

01:13:02.960 and

01:13:03.400 defining

01:13:04.060 so

01:13:04.360 many

01:13:04.560 issues

01:13:04.880 is

01:13:05.120 really

01:13:05.340 valuable

01:13:05.720 today

01:13:06.120 don't

01:13:10.880 miss

01:13:11.040 the show

01:13:11.340 tomorrow

01:13:11.720 because

01:13:12.020 we're

01:13:12.240 going to

01:13:12.380 have

01:13:12.660 Ayaan

01:13:13.040 Hirsi

01:13:13.340 Ali

01:13:13.540 on

01:13:14.200 the

01:13:14.380 rise

01:13:14.780 of

01:13:15.140 Islamic

01:13:15.520 terror

01:13:15.920 again

01:13:16.540 in

01:13:17.200 Afghanistan

01:13:17.780 and

01:13:18.160 what

01:13:18.340 we

01:13:18.480 should

01:13:18.680 expect

01:13:19.140 now

01:13:19.680 that

01:13:19.800 we've

01:13:20.000 effectively

01:13:20.360 handed

01:13:20.760 the

01:13:20.960 keys

01:13:21.220 over

01:13:21.480 to

01:13:21.760 the

01:13:21.980 Taliban

01:13:22.300 and

01:13:22.860 perhaps

01:13:23.540 Al-Qaeda

01:13:24.060 we're

01:13:25.140 also

01:13:25.340 going to

01:13:25.460 be

01:13:25.560 joined

01:13:25.740 by

01:13:25.920 John

01:13:26.220 Cass

01:13:26.660 legendary

01:13:27.760 Chicago

01:13:28.220 journalist

01:13:28.800 longtime

01:13:29.680 columnist

01:13:30.260 out

01:13:30.440 there

01:13:30.720 who

01:13:31.300 has

01:13:31.520 been

01:13:31.740 really

01:13:32.080 closely

01:13:32.420 following

01:13:32.740 what's

01:13:33.000 happening

01:13:34.060 and just

01:13:35.080 wrote a

01:13:35.740 barn burner

01:13:36.640 of a

01:13:37.020 column

01:13:37.260 recently

01:13:37.700 on what

01:13:38.840 happened

01:13:39.200 after the

01:13:39.560 death

01:13:39.780 after the

01:13:40.160 murder

01:13:40.440 of this

01:13:41.280 young

01:13:41.480 29-year-old

01:13:42.420 Chicago

01:13:42.760 female

01:13:43.240 officer

01:13:44.240 and what's

01:13:44.980 going on

01:13:45.340 with the

01:13:45.560 cops

01:13:45.840 there

01:13:46.020 now

01:13:46.240 literally

01:13:46.620 turning

01:13:47.060 their

01:13:47.280 backs

01:13:47.600 on the

01:13:47.880 mayor

01:13:48.140 who

01:13:48.680 let's

01:13:48.940 face

01:13:49.160 it

01:13:49.300 turned

01:13:49.540 hers

01:13:49.880 on

01:13:50.280 them

01:13:50.620 long

01:13:51.240 before

01:13:51.660 we'll

01:13:52.400 get

01:13:52.580 in

01:13:52.880 depth

01:13:53.120 on

01:13:53.400 what's

01:13:53.580 happening

01:13:53.820 between

01:13:54.080 the

01:13:54.260 cops

01:13:54.540 the

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 17, 2021

Biden's Afghanistan Blame Game, with Robert O'Neill and Ric Grenell ｜ Ep. 147

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