The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Angry SOTU, Britt's Cringe Response, and Princess Kate's Disappearance, with Sara Gonzales, Josh Hammer, and Gareth Russell ｜ Ep. 742

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:42.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:46.780 Yay. Last night, you may be aware, was President Biden's State of the Union address.

00:00:52.180 I'm just going to tell you what I thought. It was a disgrace.

00:00:54.620 It was shameless in its dishonesty and partisanship.

00:00:58.520 But what it telegraphed to me was that he doesn't care about this country.

00:01:02.080 He cares about himself and his reelection.

00:01:05.140 First, a quick word on his manner.

00:01:07.840 Insofar as he did not fall down or refer to any dead people as alive, it was a win.

00:01:12.560 He didn't keel over. He maintained his energy.

00:01:15.480 He didn't get lost or sniff any young girl's hair.

00:01:18.160 So, thumbs up.

00:01:20.100 That was, they had to be relieved on Team White House last night.

00:01:23.140 For Democrats scared he might die any day, he probably reassured them.

00:01:27.980 But let's face it, the slurring, the stumbles, there were so many stumbled every other line.

00:01:32.680 The jumbling of words over and over in a speech that was loaded into the teleprompter.

00:01:37.600 Hello, we all saw it.

00:01:39.500 Not horrible.

00:01:41.100 It's not really the review you're going for as leader of the free world.

00:01:44.020 Can't we do a little better?

00:01:44.800 Of course, the press is celebrating this address like it was Winston Churchill himself up there last night.

00:01:50.780 But the honest truth is that, okay, unusual energy for Joe Biden with all the usual dishonesty and nastiness.

00:02:00.000 That's what I saw.

00:02:01.420 He began by comparing this moment in time to 1941 and the rise of Adolf Hitler.

00:02:07.400 Okay, he said the freedom and democracy under attack back then was kind of like what we're seeing today and then quickly pivoted to January 6th.

00:02:17.080 Sure, okay.

00:02:19.060 Insurrectionists with a dagger at the throat of American democracy posing the gravest threat to our democracy since the Civil War.

00:02:25.420 All I could think was like QAnon shaman was dressed like a Viking but war? 0.97

00:02:30.200 Akin to Hitler? 0.86

00:02:32.200 I don't know.

00:02:33.500 Might be pushing it a little far.

00:02:35.460 He hit on abortion.

00:02:38.220 Right call.

00:02:39.000 Dems love it.

00:02:40.020 Can't get enough of it.

00:02:40.840 In fact, he hit on that wacky IVF situation down in Alabama as if that's indicative of the GOP dedicating itself as a party to ending IVF for all Americans.

00:02:53.180 Hello?

00:02:53.720 Donald Trump was one of the first to speak out against what happened with that IVF clinic down in Georgia.

00:03:00.160 Biden tried to lie about how the economy is now crushing it.

00:03:03.220 Okay.

00:03:03.500 Baca, on that abortion question, he actually had the nerve to warn the Supreme Court justices who had shown up there, sitting there.

00:03:13.000 They came in a showing of respect to him and to the country, but he chose to get in their faces suggesting they are about to realize just how much political power women have in this country.

00:03:26.100 Many of you in this chamber and my predecessor are promising to pass a national ban on reproductive freedom.

00:03:33.960 My God, what freedom else would you take away?

00:03:36.500 Look, it's a decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:03:41.060 The Supreme Court majority wrote the following.

00:03:43.700 And with all due respect, justices, women are not without electoral power. 0.79

00:03:49.820 Excuse me, electoral or political power.

00:03:52.760 You're about to realize just how much you've arrived at that.

00:03:55.440 That's what the Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade was counting on, sir, saying the high court did not want to be the arbiter of the abortion matter

00:04:16.540 and that it should be up to the voters to decide what they want in their respective states.

00:04:24.320 Biden can't even threaten correctly.

00:04:26.520 He wanted to scare them that the exact thing they said should totally happen is about to happen.

00:04:31.600 Okay. 0.97

00:04:32.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:04:35.240 The exchange on our southern border was the most dishonest part of the evening, and that's saying something. 0.96

00:04:40.920 He got up there pretending to be Ann Coulter.

00:04:44.680 He really, really wants tough legislation right now so he can do something about the border, except he's not going to use mean words about illegal immigrants.

00:04:56.200 Okay.

00:04:56.580 He's going to do something about the border, but not use the mean words.

00:04:59.720 That, he says, is a bridge too far.

00:05:02.000 He will not say that they're poisoning the blood of our country, no matter how many of them kill our children with fentanyl-leased Adderall, because it's mean.

00:05:09.660 He's humane.

00:05:11.800 Marjorie Taylor Greene interrupted this part, demanding that President Biden say the name of Lakin Riley, the 22-year-old University of Georgia nursing student who was murdered by an illegal weeks ago.

00:05:24.140 I wish that MTG had just kept quiet because he was right in the middle of a brain freeze that I wanted to see play out, and her heckling saved him, which was annoying, but watch this.

00:05:35.740 It's not about him.

00:05:36.740 It's not about him.

00:05:37.440 It's not about me.

00:05:39.600 I'd be a winner.

00:05:41.900 Not really.

00:05:42.920 Lincoln Riley, an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal.

00:06:01.240 That's right.

00:06:02.340 But how many of the thousands of people being killed by legal?

00:06:05.080 To her parents, I say, my heart goes out to you, having lost children myself.

00:06:10.760 I understand.

00:06:12.580 But look, if we change the dynamic at the border, people pay people, people pay these smugglers 8,000 bucks to get across the border.

00:06:20.800 Because they know if they get by, if they get by and let into the country, it's six to eight years before they have a hearing.

00:06:29.660 And it's worth taking the chance of the $8,000.

00:06:32.720 But, but if it's only six months, six weeks, the idea is it's highly unlikely that people will pay that money and gum all that way, knowing that they'll be able to be kicked out quickly.

00:06:45.460 Oh, my Lord, there's so much to say there.

00:06:49.960 Lakin was a University of Augusta student.

00:06:52.460 She was running on the campus of the University of Georgia.

00:06:54.420 But look at him pretending.

00:06:55.740 Look at him up there pretending like, gee, these mean Republicans left me with this really tough situation.

00:07:01.060 But I'm going to do something about changing it from months to weeks before they get their asylum hearings.

00:07:05.520 Hello, this is all your fault.

00:07:07.560 This, for me personally, was the part of the speech where I was actually starting to nod off because, of course, it was boring like they all are.

00:07:12.780 And then I heard MTG call out and then I heard him actually accept the challenge.

00:07:19.480 And he did say her name, except not really because he couldn't, as you heard there.

00:07:24.760 Notwithstanding the fact that that name, Lakin Riley, is all over the news, all over buttons being worn in the chamber last night,

00:07:31.260 including the one in his own hand that MTG had given him when he walked in.

00:07:34.840 And the fact that Marjorie Taylor Greene had just said it to him out loud.

00:07:38.840 He still botched the name Lakin Riley.

00:07:40.620 He can get George Floyd out no problem, a drug-addled criminal who menaced women.

00:07:46.080 But Lakin Riley, who was helping the sick heal, killed at the hands of an illegal immigrant, 1.00

00:07:51.660 couldn't quite muster the interest or the execution on her name.

00:07:55.840 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:07:57.080 The part where he went on to lie about it all being the fault of the Republicans,

00:08:01.680 who didn't like the deal that was just proposed, that we don't have a border, is just absurd.

00:08:08.160 And everyone knows it.

00:08:09.960 He reversed all of Trump's policies on day one.

00:08:13.700 Just as he had promised to do, he wanted to be more humane.

00:08:18.760 He wants now to blame the fact that we've had upwards of 10 million illegals come into this country on his watch,

00:08:26.100 and no one knows where they are or what they're up to on the GOP.

00:08:31.360 Okay.

00:08:32.640 By the way, the president used that term, illegal, after MTG said it.

00:08:38.380 And now these absurd leftists today in the media are everywhere expressing their outrage at that.

00:08:44.340 Not about Lakin Riley's death, her murder, but that he used the term illegal about the man who murdered her.

00:08:52.540 Well, he was one.

00:08:53.740 Illegal. 0.78

00:08:54.420 He was an illegal, illegal, illegal.

00:08:58.040 Deal with it. 0.76

00:08:59.440 Deal with the fact that he was here illegally on Joe Biden's watch.

00:09:04.260 That's what's relevant.

00:09:05.500 He was an illegal.

00:09:07.420 Sick of it.

00:09:08.200 You would not believe we're going to get into it.

00:09:09.560 But he also, true to form, took the opportunity to make the moment, that moment, about Lakin Riley's murder, once again about himself.

00:09:18.960 I've lost children, too, he pointed out to her grieving family.

00:09:24.440 So I know, he tried to say, as if anything Joe Biden has been through equates to what this poor family of a murdered daughter is suffering right now.

00:09:35.500 Just stop.

00:09:36.860 Stop doing that.

00:09:38.380 That's not humane, sir.

00:09:42.300 He ended the speech with moral lies about how committed he is to honesty, decency, dignity, and equality.

00:09:50.400 Honesty?

00:09:51.200 Like about your son's business dealings and yours and his laptop being Russian disinformation, his connections to Ukraine and the Chinese.

00:09:58.340 Remember that little debate in which you made us all sorts of representations and promises that weren't true?

00:10:02.700 Decency, like when you checked your watch as the bodies of the fallen soldiers came home from Afghanistan after your disastrous withdrawal, that was decent of you.

00:10:13.760 God, when is this going to be over?

00:10:15.720 Need to get out of here.

00:10:16.480 He lamented some other unnamed person's story of resentment, revenge, and retribution.

00:10:37.040 That's not me, he assured us.

00:10:39.720 That's not me.

00:10:40.880 Okay.

00:10:41.120 Despite four criminal prosecutions, too federal by his DOJ against his Republican rival.

00:10:48.180 Not to mention tax probes into critics like Matt Taibbi and Clay Travis, criminal probes into folks like James O'Keefe, who dared look into the Ashley Biden diary situation.

00:11:00.040 No retribution there whatsoever.

00:11:01.740 So, yeah, the president, yeah, he did seem like he'd been given a hefty dose of steroids last night.

00:11:08.240 He lived, he didn't keel over, but we all suffered and will continue to if the American people don't see through this charade.

00:11:19.060 Joining me now to discuss it all is Sarah Gonzalez, host of Blaze TV's Sarah Gonzalez Unfiltered, and Josh Hammer, host of the America on Trial podcast.

00:11:28.940 Sarah, Josh, welcome back.

00:11:30.980 Great to have you.

00:11:32.320 I mean, what did you make of it, Josh?

00:11:34.520 I just, like, it's hard to get worked up about these state of the unions because they're always manipulations, and they're usually kind of boring.

00:11:40.900 But, I mean, the dishonesty was just next level last night.

00:11:44.320 Yeah, Megan, really strong stuff from you in that monologue right there.

00:11:46.920 So, look, I mean, my take on this is I approach this, who is the audience for an address like this?

00:11:52.120 Who is the audience for this clearly mentally senile, clearly physically debilitating octogenarian to get up there and try to make it through this hour and a half teleprompter speech without keeling over?

00:12:04.160 And to me, to me, the audience is obviously not center-right America.

00:12:07.840 For that matter, the audience for a dripping partisan, nakedly politicized speech of this nature that makes no pretense whatsoever of trying to unify, of trying to bring the country together.

00:12:18.960 The obvious audience for this is Democratic and left-wing activists who are still trying to shiv Biden from the top of the ticket.

00:12:26.740 I think that this is a speech really delivered, Megan, to places like Dearborn, Michigan, who are voting uncommitted in the Michigan primary.

00:12:33.580 It's a speech for places like the Minneapolis area that voted 19% statewide in Minnesota for uncommitted.

00:12:39.320 I think he's basically giving this speech very much not to unify the country.

00:12:44.140 He's giving it kind of subtly to the people who are hoping that he will be brushed aside at the last minute for a Kamala Harris, a Gavin Newsom, Jared Polis, or, you know, God help us, some other left-wing nunchuck. 0.50

00:12:53.780 And I think that he's really trying to, at this point, get up there with the B-12, whatever kind of boosters and drug cocktail, you know, the White House doctor may or may not have signed up on.

00:13:03.640 He's getting up there and saying, I am the nominee.

00:13:06.440 Deal with it.

00:13:07.120 You're not going to get rid of me.

00:13:08.840 I think that's actually very good news for the Republicans, Sarah.

00:13:11.720 What do you think?

00:13:12.240 Because I feel like Republicans would love to see this guy be the standard bearer and the opponent.

00:13:17.180 They don't want Michelle Obama swooping in.

00:13:19.020 And if that's what this has done, shorn up his base into believing he's the guy, they should stick with him and he's going to see it through to the end.

00:13:26.080 Okay.

00:13:27.900 Yeah, I completely agree with that, Megan, especially after that performance last night, which, again, great monologue.

00:13:34.400 You couldn't have, no one could have said it better.

00:13:36.940 But, you know, I will point out the bar, people kept saying in the mainstream media, oh, well, I mean, he did a great job.

00:13:43.020 He surpassed expectations.

00:13:44.320 Right.

00:13:44.680 But the expectation was, is he going to even survive?

00:13:47.880 So the fact that he surpassed your expectations is not really saying much, in my opinion.

00:13:53.140 It really stuck out to me that his first topic that he went to in the State of the Union address was addressing Ukraine.

00:14:01.540 And really, doesn't that tell you all you need to know about this president?

00:14:05.120 You mentioned, Megan, that he considers himself to be humane.

00:14:08.620 He always wants to point out, oh, well, that's the humane thing to do.

00:14:11.280 It's not humane to say illegal.

00:14:12.760 And he got in trouble for that.

00:14:14.840 And I would just like to point out, it seems to be that all of his humanity goes to everyone except Americans.

00:14:21.340 Right.

00:14:21.580 The humanity that he has, I'm so humane to talk about Ukraine and talk about how we need to be propping them up.

00:14:27.220 Our taxpayer dollars need to go to Ukraine.

00:14:29.280 Our taxpayer dollars need to fund all of these illegals coming into the country. 1.00

00:14:33.500 We need to bring all of these illegals in. 1.00

00:14:35.520 And it seems to be, Megan, that all of this humanity that I'm seeing from Joe Biden is towards every single other entity other than the American citizen. 0.88

00:14:43.380 And it was just disgusting to watch him lie.

00:14:46.220 Although, what else was he supposed to do? 0.80

00:14:48.220 Because he has nothing to run on.

00:14:50.320 He has no victories to tout.

00:14:52.540 So, of course, he's going to lie.

00:14:54.860 But it didn't make it any more settling to listen to and stomach, especially when we sit around, we're watching what's going on in America play out.

00:15:04.160 And we know that it's just absolutely false.

00:15:06.900 You know, today, Josh, I mean, truly, it is like Churchill got up there, the way the media is talking about him.

00:15:15.080 Scarborough, when I watch Scarborough right now, it's a reminder to me that some people are just desperate to be around power.

00:15:25.860 You know, he licked Donald Trump's boots when he thought Trump might be getting close to the White House. 0.94

00:15:32.800 He couldn't have bent over and kissed and licked any harder. 0.96

00:15:38.060 OK, sorry for the graphic image, but he couldn't have.

00:15:41.340 And then when he realized he wasn't going to be vice president, he got mad.

00:15:45.400 He turned on him.

00:15:46.520 And then we all saw how his coverage changed.

00:15:49.340 And now that he's getting called by Joe Biden, we read this in the press, and reportedly Biden and his accolades watch, accolades watch Morning Joe.

00:16:00.520 So he's once again swooning, swooning that he might have access to power.

00:16:07.160 That's what I see in this man.

00:16:08.680 Some of us, especially those of us who are actual journalists, we get more skeptical of you as you get more power.

00:16:14.440 Right. It's our job to hold you to account.

00:16:16.260 The higher you get, the less kind we are to be, the less likely we are to be kind to you.

00:16:22.020 And he's the opposite.

00:16:23.300 Anyway, take a look at this little mashup of him, among others, on the president.

00:16:27.200 I was not expecting what he did.

00:16:32.020 He came out punching, forceful, strong voice.

00:16:36.060 He threw boiling oil on MAGA, on Trump, on the Republicans without ever mentioning a name.

00:16:42.880 He had Frazier's left hook.

00:16:45.940 This was a tour de force by Joe Biden.

00:16:49.620 And in the words of Naomi Biden, doubt him, then watch him.

00:16:54.040 I thought the speech was very high caffeine.

00:16:57.020 I think Joe Biden woke up this morning, had a cup of coffee and had his Wheaties.

00:17:01.720 He was definitely there to fight.

00:17:04.260 This was his, how about them, Apple speech?

00:17:08.460 So, what do you, did you, do we watch the same thing, Josh?

00:17:12.220 I don't, or is that just them running cover?

00:17:13.660 Or, you know what I think it is?

00:17:15.000 They're just relieved.

00:17:16.240 They're relieved he didn't die.

00:17:17.740 Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

00:17:20.720 I mean, you said it, Sarah said it.

00:17:22.060 I mean, they are genuinely relieved that he did not keel over and have to be rushed to the ICU in the middle of that speech there.

00:17:28.040 You know, someone, maybe it was Scarborough who said he had his morning coffee and his Wheaties that day.

00:17:32.500 I mean, I think it's more likely that they kind of gave him a little bit of Hunter Biden's cocaine from the White House, to be honest with you.

00:17:37.400 If I had to guess there, I mean, because we haven't seen that kind of energy, whether real or drugged up, whatever, from this president in God knows how long, probably since he was campaigning for the White House the last time back in 2020.

00:17:48.820 Look, I mean, there's no way to describe what we just saw there in that montage other than just Soviet-style progda propaganda.

00:17:56.100 That's all this is.

00:17:56.940 I mean, this is regime media covering for the regime.

00:18:00.000 They are terrified of the orange man, orange man bad.

00:18:02.580 They are going to pull out every single stunt in the book, Megan, over the next seven, eight months until this election in November, including going to the mattresses for Joe Biden when he manages to not die in front of a nationally televised audience.

00:18:15.140 They're going to the mattresses with Jack Smith and all the lawfare.

00:18:18.360 We have seen nothing yet.

00:18:19.540 They are just getting started.

00:18:20.720 Wait till the ads start blaring into the suburbs all across America about how January 6th was a Nazi-esque attempt at a coup.

00:18:29.020 They're just going to go bonkers here.

00:18:30.660 I really fear that this is kind of just a preview of what is to come over the next few months.

00:18:34.080 It's going to be genuinely harrowing, I fear.

00:18:36.380 I mean, to even use the word Hitler, you know, to make a reference to 1941 in the first minute or two of getting up there, how absurd.

00:18:47.980 You're just, even if you want to zoom out and make it about much more than Donald Trump, that's just an absurd analogy to what is happening in the world today.

00:18:56.280 It's generally not done.

00:18:58.300 You know, most of us in media know you don't go to the Hitler comparisons, no matter how bad things are.

00:19:04.080 It's just you don't touch it.

00:19:05.640 You know, six million dead Jews in incinerators is not something to casually bring up at the top of the State of the Union so you can be reelected.

00:19:14.720 Most of us know this, but he has no respect.

00:19:18.060 And my only concern in this, Sarah, is that, you know, people like I think about my husband's mom.

00:19:24.500 She's a wonderful, very smart woman who lives in outside of Philadelphia, which is a purple state, you know, more blue these days.

00:19:32.120 But, you know, pretty reasonable in its politics historically.

00:19:34.800 Exactly. And I worry that people who live in that area where she lives are watching this like, OK, you know, like he did it.

00:19:42.700 He was together. And, you know, Trump is crazy. 1.00

00:19:46.140 And he he seemed all right without, you know, they don't know necessarily that every other line was a lie and a manipulation by somebody who managed to crack a couple of jokes here and there. 0.98

00:19:57.380 And thanks to some sort of shot of steroids or something, got through this with more energy than normal.

00:20:03.920 Yeah, I mean, look, you may be right, but I do at least have hope that those people that you're talking about, you know, the the average American who doesn't live in this world, who doesn't have time, quite honestly, to eat, sleep and breathe this stuff like we do.

00:20:17.240 My hope is that they look if they'd be different if this was a campaign speech, but this is the state of the union after three years of Joe Biden's presidency.

00:20:27.100 And they have to at least look around them and say, is my life better under Joe Biden?

00:20:32.080 Is my how much am I paying at the grocery store? How much more am I paying when I go to the gas pump?

00:20:38.460 What is you know, like, why does everything cost more?

00:20:41.400 He keeps talking about shrink flation and we're supposed to care that the cookie monster is upset that he gets less cookies in his, you know, Oreos.

00:20:48.100 And it's like we I really have to believe I have to believe that the everyday average American sees right through him blaming it on everyone else.

00:20:56.840 It's always the mean corporations. It's not it couldn't possibly be Joe Biden's, you know, disastrous economic policies.

00:21:03.320 And so I just I have to believe that because we're living it, they're living it and they have to know that this is a lie.

00:21:10.940 Yeah, you're right, because when you it's almost like we were talking about this recently, but like when you see a liar in front of you and their affect doesn't really match what you like what they're saying, your gut feels it like there's a dishonesty happening here.

00:21:25.700 You feel it on a gut level. And I do think with things like inflation and immigration, people are going to feel it on a gut level.

00:21:32.520 They know it's bad. They know it's bad no matter what he says.

00:21:35.720 But the the Pravda style, you know, propaganda that you referenced, Josh, I'll give you another example in Scarborough.

00:21:43.440 This is him. Just listen to this nonsense. I'm sorry, but it it has to be called out.

00:21:48.020 This is before the State of the Union. OK, this is yesterday him getting us ready.

00:21:52.360 This is what a propagandist does. Take a listen.

00:21:56.360 He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.

00:22:01.760 Intellectually, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years and, you know, I don't know if people know this or not.

00:22:13.140 Biden used to be a hothead. Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth.

00:22:18.040 And F you if you can't handle the truth. You can't handle the truth. 0.89

00:22:24.720 This we drop that version of Biden.

00:22:29.140 Intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.

00:22:34.060 Oh, my God. I mean, he might as well have just ended it with because he's listening to me because I've gotten in his head.

00:22:43.480 So I'm telling you, this is the best ever, Josh.

00:22:47.500 You know, Megan, for the younger listeners here, I feel like I have to remind the younger listeners here.

00:22:52.860 Joe Scarborough was a Republican congressman from a very, very red district in the Florida panhandle.

00:22:58.720 He was he was NRA endorsed. You know, if they had a House Freedom Caucus back then, Joe Scarborough probably would have been a founding member.

00:23:05.500 He had a very conservative voting record over his three to four terms in Congress.

00:23:09.120 And he has just obviously lost his everlasting mind.

00:23:12.580 And he's not the only example. There's so many examples that I could point to.

00:23:16.480 I'll give you just one other, Megan, a former federal judge by the name of Judge J.

00:23:20.000 Michael Ludig. He was a federal judge on the U.S.

00:23:22.120 Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. He was the conservative rock star.

00:23:26.640 All the all the top tier law students clerk for him, Ted Cruz, John Eastman, Noel Francisco.

00:23:31.180 He was sending three, four clerks a year to the Supreme Court.

00:23:33.960 He was a short lister for the seat that ultimately went to John Roberts during the Bush administration.

00:23:38.460 Then he retired from the bench. He served at Boeing as general counsel for 13 years.

00:23:42.760 Reemerges a few years ago during COVID as a public commentator.

00:23:45.800 And he's been just a viciously, viciously anti-Trump, quote unquote, legal eagle.

00:23:50.800 And in particular, Megan, in particular, he has been probably the leading number one national proponent of the argument that Donald Trump is disqualified from the ballot because of the 14th Amendment Section 3 so-called insurrection clause.

00:24:03.080 In fact, after the Colorado Supreme Court in December held four to three that Trump was disqualified, Ludig did the rounds on CNN and MSNBC and said that this logic was masterful, brilliant and unassailable.

00:24:14.860 Yeah, so unassailable that that even Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson did not sign up for it.

00:24:20.780 So these people who once had their conservative bona fides lined up again, orange man, they just they just lose it.

00:24:27.580 I love that you sent out a tweet about that the other day and it said something like now Ludig is to the is to the left of Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:24:35.180 Great job. Your Trump arrangement syndrome is serving you really well.

00:24:38.800 So so speaking of like suburban women who everybody's fighting over, Sarah, you know, they're they're a coveted voting group because they used to be Republican voters and then they didn't really love Trump and moved over to the Dems. 1.00

00:24:50.060 I don't know how much they're going to love the shouting. I really don't.

00:24:54.000 I it was a lot. I know he was trying to show vigor, but like I see vigor when I look at that Canadian politician, Pierre, whose last name I can never say Kelly McGuire, who Polly of Polly.

00:25:07.460 Yeah. OK, thank you, team. Who's just casually eating the apple and like demolishing the nasty reporter who was trying like that's that's vigor.

00:25:15.080 That's youth. That's strength. He doesn't have to shout at me for me to feel like this is a strong man.

00:25:21.600 Last night, we got something else in our current president. And here's some examples of that.

00:25:27.920 I think it's six.

00:25:29.600 A great gravest threat to U.S. democracy since the Civil War, but they failed.

00:25:37.460 You can't love your country only when you win.

00:25:43.200 Those bragging about overturning Roe v. Wade have no clue about the power of women. 1.00

00:25:48.960 Where is it written? We can't be the manufacturing capital of the world.

00:25:52.220 We are. We will. We're exporting American products and creating American jobs right here in America where they belong.

00:26:03.020 We could have kept going. It's just a few.

00:26:05.580 So so what did you make of his affect?

00:26:08.940 Yeah, well, I mean, Megan, I agree with you. I don't think that the tone is going to sit well with suburban moms. 0.52

00:26:13.200 And I mean, I but I think that Joe Biden, his problem is his brain is not really connecting with the words that he's reading on a screen.

00:26:20.240 They're they're simply words on a screen to him.

00:26:22.200 And he's only reacting to whatever drug cocktail that has been injected into him so that all he knows to do is get loud, not necessarily read it with any sort of emotion that's appropriate for what he's saying.

00:26:35.800 I don't think that it's going to sit well with suburban moms, especially when you consider that the number one priority, or at least at the very top of the list, is going to be their children and their families safety.

00:26:46.500 And all the way around across the board, Joe Biden has been the one to threaten that, not just with his disastrous open border policy where he has, you know, you've got the Lakin Riley's of the country who are dying.

00:26:57.500 You've got the people being poisoned by the fentanyl that's that's overflowing and in through our southern borders.

00:27:03.760 But it's also the despite what Joe Biden said last night, I'm sure you guys will be shocked to hear he was completely lying and misrepresenting that violent crime has gone down.

00:27:13.640 So we're looking all around us. We're seeing that there is violent crime in cities.

00:27:18.080 We're seeing how they're treating actual criminals. They're releasing them back into all of these cities to re-offend.

00:27:23.600 And so I think suburban moms are sitting around going, OK, this guy's yelling at me. He's making us less safe overall.

00:27:30.220 Maybe the mean tweets sound pretty good right about now.

00:27:33.900 I'm so I'm so glad that all the crime is gone because they can get rid of the National Guard on the New York City subway now.

00:27:39.900 It's like terrific. That's wonderful news. They should let them know right away.

00:27:45.360 We've got to talk about the the word policing by his as soon as he said Marjorie Taylor Greene said illegal and then he repeated illegal.

00:27:53.220 Well, she got killed by an illegal, which is what we all say, because it's a perfectly acceptable short form for someone who breaks our laws, comes into our country unlawfully and then murders one of our most promising young citizens.

00:28:05.900 I have zero problem using that term. And the president feels the same.

00:28:12.880 I'm sure behind closed doors, he does say that. So he said it in the State of the Union after MTG said it and cue the freak out on the left.

00:28:21.380 Some of the ones that are on camera we queued up. Take a listen.

00:28:26.760 Eight.

00:28:27.200 I should have said undocumented, but it's not a big thing.

00:28:32.780 OK, Biden stops his speech and has almost like a presidential version of a screw it moment.

00:28:40.820 A young woman killed by an illegal, which is not a phrase that Democrats usually use to talk about undocumented immigrants.

00:28:51.560 CNN columnist Jill Filipovic killed by an illegal, Joe, why?

00:29:00.860 Representative Garcia of Illinois, as a proud immigrant, I'm extremely disappointed to hear him use that word.

00:29:07.300 Representative Joaquin Castro of Texas.

00:29:10.380 It's dangerous rhetoric.

00:29:12.420 The president's getting bad advice from his advisers and speechwriters.

00:29:15.780 Ilhan Omar.

00:29:16.560 Let me be clear. No human being is illegal.

00:29:19.440 Representative Delia Ramirez, Dem, Illinois. 0.69

00:29:22.420 No human being is illegal.

00:29:24.100 Cori Bush.

00:29:25.000 No human being is illegal.

00:29:27.600 OK.

00:29:29.040 Again, this guy appears to have murdered this 22 year old Laken Riley for the fun of it.

00:29:35.340 Literally, it looks like he killed her just for the fun of murdering a young American girl out on a run in between helping people live and heal.

00:29:45.560 In her nursing training.

00:29:48.600 What's the matter with these people?

00:29:50.400 Honestly, Josh, what is the matter with them?

00:29:54.600 Megan, I think what's happened with the Democratic Party is, if you look at the history of the Democratic Party, going back in the early to middle part of the 20th century, you had presidents like Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ.

00:30:06.400 I didn't necessarily I wasn't alive, obviously, but I didn't necessarily agree with their economic policies.

00:30:11.460 But they were a mostly political economy, blue collar, middle class economics based political party.

00:30:17.380 And that really continued up through the 1990s, back when Bill Clinton was president.

00:30:20.820 You know, it wasn't that long ago.

00:30:21.660 Speaking of the immigration issue, Harry Reid, the former Nevada Senate majority leader, he was opposed to birthright citizenship.

00:30:28.940 I mean, the Democratic Party back then, when they were strongly backed by the labor unions, back when Democrats understood that you could not have an open border and decent wages for the working and middle class.

00:30:38.700 They were really strict when it came to illegal immigration.

00:30:41.020 Bill Clinton signed a very harsh anti-illegal immigration statute in 1996.

00:30:45.100 It was supported by Biden, Harry Reid, all those folks.

00:30:48.420 Then the Democratic Party coalition really changes in 2008.

00:30:51.740 It really is kind of the emergence of the modern Barack Obama coalition, where they really ditch kind of all of this old school, blue collar, middle class economic stuff.

00:31:00.340 Trump would later tap into that sentiment in the 2016 campaign when he was an earthquake in the Republican primary that year.

00:31:06.420 But then you have the emergence of this new Democratic Party that really is not focused, really is not focused on securing the border, on good, decent wages for the working class.

00:31:15.720 At this point, post-2008, the Democratic Party has been focused on appeasing and appealing to their, essentially, their coalition of aggrieved interests.

00:31:24.620 That's usually how I phrase it.

00:31:26.260 Or their coalition of interests that the party apparatus tell you that you should be agreed because America is systemically racist or is systemically homophobic or transphobic or xenophobic or, you know, insert your phobia word salad of the day.

00:31:40.180 The key takeaway here, Megan, though, I think that when you look at the polling cross tabs right now, this 2008-2012 era Obama Democratic Party coalition is falling apart before our eyes.

00:31:51.020 It's black voters, Hispanic voters are peeling away. The 18-35 Gen Z millennial demographic is peeling away. 0.99

00:31:57.540 Democrats are in deep doo-doo. And what you saw right there with Joe Biden with the illegal, that's a Freudian slip.

00:32:02.440 And it's kind of a flashback to the Democratic Party that used to be back when they were more focused on boosting wages for the blue collar middle class there.

00:32:09.840 But he's been eclipsed both physically, as the case may be with his very advanced age, and intellectually by this new crop of radicals.

00:32:17.120 That's a good point. I mean, he's of that era anyway. I mean, he came up, of course, he was Barack Obama's vice president.

00:32:24.060 They are obsessed with identity. We know this, using the proper terminology about everybody, Sarah.

00:32:28.880 And last night, we've got to show this moment.

00:32:31.760 He took a moment to point out he has got the first female vice president. 1.00

00:32:39.900 And take a look at how Kamala Harris reacted to this moment. 0.99

00:32:43.740 I got elected to the United States Senate when I had no intention to run it at age 29.

00:32:50.780 Then vice president, our first black president.

00:32:53.860 Now president to the first women vice president.

00:32:56.500 For the listening audience, she stood and she clapped for herself.

00:33:10.500 I am going to miss her when she's gone.

00:33:13.320 What do you make of it?

00:33:15.040 Are you? Are you going to miss her?

00:33:17.480 Because I'm counting down the days until she's gone.

00:33:20.620 She is such an embarrassment to all of us, right? 0.98

00:33:24.600 I mean, the history books will look back and reflect just how dumb we were for, not us, but the left, for engaging in this identity politics. 0.99

00:33:34.700 Which, by the way, what is a woman? 1.00

00:33:36.440 They still can't tell us.

00:33:37.660 We have Kataji Brown Jackson, you know, interviewing for the Supreme Court who can't even tell us what a woman is. 1.00

00:33:43.260 So it's nice to know that the left now remembers what is a woman and what is not and can designate Kamala Harris one. 0.95

00:33:49.720 I mean, she is just such an embarrassment. 1.00

00:33:52.280 Look, I don't. 0.55

00:33:53.160 But listen, maybe it's that you haven't heard her latest inspo, her latest inspirational speech.

00:33:58.360 Sarah, I'm going to play you just an excerpt.

00:33:59.940 Okay.

00:34:00.220 But with Kamala Harris on democracy.

00:34:02.540 And then you're going to start to feel it.

00:34:04.020 And you're you, you too will think, please don't get rid of her.

00:34:07.360 Watch.

00:34:08.680 Because when we think about the strength of our democracy, you know, I think that there's a duality to the nature of democracy.

00:34:16.220 When it's intact, oh, it's so strong in terms of what it does to uphold and protect individual rights and freedoms.

00:34:29.200 So strong in its nature.

00:34:32.680 And it is very fragile.

00:34:37.860 It will only be as strong as our willingness to fight for it.

00:34:43.220 So strong.

00:34:46.220 And also so fragile.

00:34:48.540 I think it was Joseph Massey, who's my favorite poet on X, tweeted out.

00:34:54.740 Forgive me if it wasn't you tweeted out.

00:34:57.400 Is she okay?

00:34:59.220 That was the right reaction.

00:35:03.300 Yeah.

00:35:03.960 I also like, is that is that what she said to Willie Brown as she was rising through the ranks? 0.79

00:35:09.020 I mean, look, she is such an embarrassment to you. 1.00

00:35:12.500 I would point out both of your profession or Megan, your former profession.

00:35:16.780 The fact that this woman made it through law school, passed the bar, had this prestigious career in the state of California, and she can't even put together a sentence is just such a mockery of the entire profession. 0.99

00:35:29.040 And so true.

00:35:30.780 But let's not forget about Fannie Willis.

00:35:32.800 I mean, that's another like and everybody in her office from the way it looked at that hearing.

00:35:36.440 My God, all those people passed the bar.

00:35:38.080 It's amazing.

00:35:39.060 All right.

00:35:39.420 There's so much more to get through.

00:35:40.820 Let me squeeze in a quick break and then we come back.

00:35:42.640 We have got to discuss Katie Britt, and it's not going to be pleasant for Katie.

00:35:49.240 All right.

00:35:49.640 I'm just going to tell you that right up front.

00:35:51.840 Stand by.

00:35:55.680 The Republicans had an opportunity here to put their best foot forward and just sound normal.

00:36:01.280 That's it.

00:36:01.860 Don't shout, say normal things and speak to regular Americans about what's real.

00:36:06.420 And they blew it, as they do almost all the time in these State of the Union responses.

00:36:13.120 They put up rising star in the Republican Party, Katie Britt, who is a senator from the state of Alabama and a Republican, as I said. 0.91

00:36:24.540 And I don't know what the F I saw.

00:36:27.640 I agree with the people saying she looked like she was auditioning for a show on Lifetime. 0.84

00:36:35.280 The drama, the fake affectation, the over-the-top portrayal of emotions I did not believe she was feeling at all.

00:36:48.160 Her inauthenticity, it was totally cringe, as the kids would say. 1.00

00:36:53.980 Sorry, this is how I saw it.

00:36:56.080 You tell me whether you disagree.

00:36:58.040 Here are some high-slash-lowlights.

00:37:00.680 I never could have imagined what my story would entail, to think about what the American dream can do across just one generation, in just one lifetime.

00:37:14.980 It's truly breathtaking.

00:37:17.640 But right now, the American dream has turned into a nightmare.

00:37:23.700 Our country can do better.

00:37:29.520 And you don't have to look any further than the crisis at our southern border to see it.

00:37:36.420 President Biden inherited the most secure border of all time.

00:37:43.100 He invited it with 94 executive actions in his first 100 days.

00:37:53.260 She embarrassed herself.

00:37:54.860 She embarrassed the Republicans.

00:37:56.520 And she embarrassed women. 1.00

00:37:58.400 It was a disgrace.

00:38:00.740 I was horrified by her performance.

00:38:02.920 And I really think that it's going to take her years to rebound from that performance.

00:38:08.080 Am I being too hard on her, Sarah?

00:38:09.440 No, I completely agree with you.

00:38:12.540 And as you rightfully pointed out, it is the most Republican thing to do ever, to be handed this on a silver platter.

00:38:19.180 You have a guy whose low bar is just don't die.

00:38:23.280 He hits that, right?

00:38:26.260 Okay, so good for him.

00:38:27.620 But it was just such a terrible, terrible night.

00:38:31.120 And there were so many lies that were spewed.

00:38:33.680 And you have this opportunity on a silver platter.

00:38:36.520 And what do you do with it?

00:38:37.580 You parade Katie Britt out there to interview for, to audition for a Lifetime movie.

00:38:42.820 I mean, it was just so painfully embarrassed.

00:38:45.180 I literally had secondhand embarrassment watching her out, watching her try to over-dramatize everything.

00:38:51.980 I mean, you had one job, Republican Party.

00:38:55.020 You had one job.

00:38:56.360 Bring someone out there and just be normal.

00:38:58.600 And they could not even do that.

00:39:00.400 It's just, I mean, it's uniparty stuff.

00:39:02.320 But like, do any of these people understand real life?

00:39:04.520 Are any of these real people?

00:39:05.680 It feels like none of them are.

00:39:08.060 Didn't anybody, like, it reminds me, my family has been watching Modern Family, you know, the reruns of Modern Family, which is such a great show.

00:39:14.660 And at one point, Claire, Claire Dunphy, played by Julie Bowen, decides to run for, like, town council.

00:39:20.820 And her family just eviscerates her as she's practicing her debate skills. 1.00

00:39:24.700 They point out everything that's wrong with her, that she's doing wrong.

00:39:27.980 And someone needed to do a little bit of that to Katie Britt. 0.97

00:39:31.260 There needed to be some down-home honesty about, it's not working.

00:39:36.800 You're not Meryl Streep.

00:39:38.420 The, the, this is my, one of my favorite parts.

00:39:42.240 I mean, the fake holding back tears.

00:39:43.680 If she actually were brought to tears by something that had happened, maybe.

00:39:46.560 But it was fake.

00:39:47.520 It was obviously fake.

00:39:48.480 But my favorite part is, like, the look down.

00:39:52.680 The pause and the look down.

00:39:54.880 And then back up.

00:39:55.580 Like, oh my God.

00:39:56.720 Like, I think her script said dramatic pause, Josh.

00:40:00.240 Total, total missed opportunity.

00:40:02.340 Yeah, you know, Megan, there was a prominent Israeli statesman and political theorist many

00:40:09.460 decades ago, 50, 60 years ago, by the name of Abba Eben.

00:40:12.000 And he famously said of the Palestinian Arabs that they never miss an opportunity to miss

00:40:16.120 an opportunity.

00:40:17.000 And for the entirety of my adult lifetime, since I've been covering, following, talking, and

00:40:21.360 writing about politics, the Republican Party never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

00:40:25.680 Because as you and Sarah have both said, the floor here was literally do better than the

00:40:32.280 guy that we were worried about getting rushed to the ICU with, like, heart palpitations or

00:40:36.200 something like that.

00:40:37.200 And we had this.

00:40:38.480 I mean, Katie Britt there, I mean, just in that montage that we just saw, to say nothing of

00:40:41.860 some of the other antics that the whole country, unfortunately, was watching last night.

00:40:47.120 I mean, she kind of comes across as an insecure high school junior who's trying to swoon before 1.00

00:40:52.300 the star quarterback and try to convince him, like, no, I actually really care about

00:40:55.620 your touchdown passes or something like that.

00:40:57.680 The whole thing is beyond over the top.

00:41:00.480 I mean, I was never a huge fan of Katie Britt in the first place, to be honest with you.

00:41:03.680 I think that she's not particularly in touch with the current mood of the Republican Party.

00:41:09.440 She kind of comes from this kind of old school business chamber of commerce wing. 1.00

00:41:12.820 She definitely did herself no favors here whatsoever. 1.00

00:41:15.280 But here's the one tiny thing that I will say.

00:41:17.900 I'm not defending her.

00:41:18.800 It was a very bad performance.

00:41:20.180 But when is the last time that there's actually been a good State of the Union response?

00:41:24.800 Sarah and I were talking about this before the show went live today.

00:41:28.340 I think you had to go back probably to Mitch Daniels.

00:41:31.080 Mitch Daniels around 2012 was, yeah, that was the last time that I could actually think

00:41:35.020 of, like, wow, that was actually a capable response.

00:41:37.080 You had Bobby Jindal back in the day, Marco Rubio with the water bottle.

00:41:40.140 No one does a good job of this.

00:41:41.700 And it is a structural disadvantage.

00:41:44.400 Yeah.

00:41:44.660 Why do they keep choosing people who can't speak in public?

00:41:47.280 It's so upsetting to me.

00:41:48.540 You can get a normal spokesperson.

00:41:49.740 And I would submit that there is a chance they are a little too focused over on the Republican

00:41:53.920 side on identity politics, as opposed to getting something who's a whippersnapper, who's super

00:41:59.840 articulate, who can go bring it.

00:42:01.800 You should get somebody who can speak live, who can actually respond to some of the lies

00:42:08.260 we've just heard.

00:42:09.720 Hell, I'm a registered independent.

00:42:11.400 I'm not even a Republican.

00:42:12.620 I could do it.

00:42:13.460 I could do it way better than these people.

00:42:15.020 Get somebody who can speak.

00:42:16.300 I don't want to do it.

00:42:17.260 But Ann Coulter has a I love her sub stack.

00:42:19.900 And she pointed out the following in the last nine responses to a State of the Union address.

00:42:25.900 Republicans have chosen a woman or minority this year.

00:42:28.520 It was tearful Senator Katie Britt literally sitting at a kitchen table, presumably because 1.00

00:42:33.140 a nursery school was not available.

00:42:35.800 The last white male to give the response was Mitch Daniels.

00:42:39.320 Coincidentally, it was the last decent one.

00:42:41.600 You sure know your voters, GOP.

00:42:43.640 This would be like Democrats refusing to give any jobs to women or minorities as opposed

00:42:48.560 to what they actually do, which is to give all jobs to women and minorities. 1.00

00:42:52.280 In caps, we are not the party of identity politics. 1.00

00:42:54.840 You utter imbeciles. 1.00

00:42:56.460 The GOP cannot learn. 1.00

00:42:57.800 They keep hauling out someone who checks a demographic box the Republicans are having

00:43:01.160 trouble with, who proceeds to soak the speech in personal biography instead of substance.

00:43:06.720 And here's here.

00:43:07.500 She finishes it up.

00:43:08.420 For added cringe, Senator Katie Britt decided to drench her speech in estrogen, children, 1.00

00:43:14.980 kitchen table, more children, worried moms. 1.00

00:43:17.300 We support IVF because family familyness need to get dinner on the kitchen table. 1.00

00:43:21.940 All this delivered in an overwrought manner that will be used to teach students in the

00:43:25.720 first week of acting class what overacting is.

00:43:28.840 And once you become Senator Katie, you should have become Kate. 1.00

00:43:32.120 We don't have Senators Billy, Timmy and Mikey.

00:43:37.300 She goes on from there.

00:43:39.020 I agree with every word of that.

00:43:41.280 Yeah, I do as well.

00:43:42.480 I mean, look, I would also say I'm going to take it one step further and this may be

00:43:46.840 controversial to say, I don't know, but I am as the Hispanic here.

00:43:49.760 I will just say it.

00:43:50.420 They also had a Spanish response and I don't think that there should be a separate Spanish 0.95

00:43:55.640 response.

00:43:56.320 It's very identity politics.

00:43:58.020 It's very pandery, right?

00:43:59.380 Like have one response and if you want to translate it, translate it.

00:44:02.360 If you want to have a Spanish transcript, put a Spanish transcript.

00:44:05.280 But literally all we are trying to do is respond to all of the lies that Joe Biden has just

00:44:11.120 stood up there and said.

00:44:13.160 And if you can't find someone who can effectively do that, who is a woman or a black person or 0.76

00:44:17.980 checkbox here, just find someone, right?

00:44:21.080 Just and the sad part about this, Megan and Josh, is I don't even I feel like the substance

00:44:26.380 of what she was saying probably was good if we would have read it on paper.

00:44:30.120 It may have been a good speech.

00:44:31.680 It may have included things that could have really resonated.

00:44:34.880 I don't either.

00:44:36.060 I have no idea because I was so focused on how embarrassing it is that I have no idea whether

00:44:40.340 or not it was actually something that could have resonated.

00:44:43.520 No, I've got nothing, Josh.

00:44:45.000 And here's what's tragic in her case.

00:44:47.520 Um, she heretofore, as far as I know, in her delivery has been normal.

00:44:54.760 She she's not always like it's not like Kamala Harris, where I played that soundbite and no

00:44:58.740 one here was shocked.

00:44:59.500 It was like, oh, yeah, there she there. 0.96

00:45:00.840 She goes again.

00:45:01.940 Listen, we just pulled a random soundbite of Katie Britt.

00:45:04.640 I just just this is how she normally sounds.

00:45:07.080 Listen, it is clear that we have a next generation of leaders that are standing up and getting

00:45:12.460 engaged.

00:45:13.000 I mean, everything from school boards we've seen ever since the covid lockdowns and parents,

00:45:17.920 you know, being very frustrated with their children being masked consistently and also

00:45:22.680 looking at what they've been taught in the classroom and wanting to to really be a part

00:45:27.680 of saying, no, no, no, we want parents' rights back to to me running for the U.S.

00:45:32.700 Senate.

00:45:33.320 You see this next generation stepping up across the country.

00:45:38.000 Who told her she was Meryl Streep?

00:45:39.740 Truly like who told her what you really need to do is dial up the drama, you know, like

00:45:46.820 CAA may be watching.

00:45:48.980 You really want to wow the the Ari Emanuel's of the world. 0.82

00:45:52.880 You never know what your next act could be, Katie.

00:45:56.840 I mean, the saddest part of all this, Megan, is I mean, America has real problems.

00:46:02.760 I mean, we talked about Lake and Riley for a while earlier on this show.

00:46:05.700 I mean, what's happening at the border is it is not just a national disgrace.

00:46:09.140 It is it is a global catastrophe.

00:46:11.120 It is a true, earnest global catastrophe.

00:46:14.500 Look, I mean, one hundred ten thousand Americans drop dead of drug overdose for the last year

00:46:19.980 for which we have statistics, which is twenty twenty two.

00:46:22.840 My cousin, may his memory be a blessing, overdosed and died from fentanyl six years ago.

00:46:26.520 We were very close.

00:46:27.800 This is all coming across that southern border.

00:46:30.660 Immigration is the one issue that Republicans have to run on day in and day out for the rest

00:46:35.520 of this campaign.

00:46:36.220 And the way to make that case is to give it in a statesmanlike, dignified, straightforward,

00:46:42.660 no B.S. fashion, ideally not at a kitchen table, by the way, ideally with something

00:46:47.140 a little more stately as a backdrop.

00:46:49.340 I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but just be like a normal politician.

00:46:53.240 They're trying to overthink this.

00:46:54.700 I have no idea who literally was telling her to act like that.

00:46:57.880 Maybe it was her husband.

00:46:58.580 I genuinely have no clue.

00:47:00.300 Clearly was the wrong affectation for the wrong time with the wrong message.

00:47:04.440 They should have gotten like I realize the family of Lincoln Riley is grieving, but they

00:47:09.320 should have gotten the family of somebody who's been really hurt by these illegal immigration 0.86

00:47:13.980 policies.

00:47:14.660 And just just get up and tell your story.

00:47:16.700 That's it.

00:47:17.300 That would have been far more powerful than the nonsense we saw from the kitchen table.

00:47:21.220 A couple of just samples.

00:47:23.960 Someone who goes by the chat.

00:47:25.800 Katie Britt was giving Lifetime TV serial killer mom vibes. 1.00

00:47:30.620 Charlie Kirk.

00:47:33.260 Katie Britt is talking like she's hosting a cooking show, whispering about how Democrats 0.98

00:47:36.780 don't get it.

00:47:38.860 Allie Beth Stuckey.

00:47:40.440 OK, GOP, never again.

00:47:42.160 I know y'all were going for the relatable mom speaking in her kitchen from her heart,

00:47:45.440 but it did not work.

00:47:46.860 Just a straight, strong speech will do in the future.

00:47:50.560 Thanks.

00:47:51.040 I get it.

00:47:51.740 And I agree.

00:47:52.620 So they should they should do what I just said.

00:47:54.860 TV is all about moments.

00:47:56.400 People remember moments.

00:47:57.520 Get a powerful person who's been through something and just zero in on that one issue,

00:48:01.880 like Josh said, illegal immigration, immigration in this case.

00:48:05.140 And say, like in Lakin's case, this illegal came into the country in 2022 on Joe Biden's

00:48:10.480 watch.

00:48:11.100 He'd already been in trouble with the law.

00:48:12.860 Hadn't been deported.

00:48:14.080 Why not?

00:48:15.120 That would have been far more effective.

00:48:16.960 Josh and Sarah, Sarah, stay with us.

00:48:18.640 There is an update in the Fannie Willis case.

00:48:20.280 Don't go away.

00:48:20.900 Okay, guys.

00:48:25.680 So some developments in the Trump legal warfare.

00:48:30.360 He has managed to post a bond in order to appeal that $93 million judgment E. Jean Carroll

00:48:37.660 got against him.

00:48:38.980 So that's good.

00:48:40.460 So that that appeal will proceed because not that easy to secure.

00:48:45.080 $93 million.

00:48:45.720 But he got it.

00:48:47.320 So thumbs up.

00:48:49.180 Secondly, Letitia James, who got the $450 million judgment against him and keeps tweeting out 0.97

00:48:57.240 the running total of what he owes with interest.

00:49:00.240 She's loving her moment in the spotlight, has learned the hard way that the working class, 1.00

00:49:06.420 especially in New York, do not approve of her or what she's doing. 0.99

00:49:10.400 Take a look at what happened to her when she addressed the FDNY.

00:49:15.400 This is via Fox News.

00:49:16.400 Watch.

00:49:25.240 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:49:26.520 We're in a house of God.

00:49:27.960 First, um, simmer down.

00:49:33.020 I want to thank Commissioner Kavanaugh and Chief Hodgins for that recognition.

00:49:41.620 Wow.

00:49:42.480 Sarah, look at that.

00:49:44.220 FDNY.

00:49:44.980 Thumbs down.

00:49:46.240 I'm sure they didn't respond nicely to being told to simmer down, which is annoying.

00:49:51.100 They don't like her and they don't like what she's doing. 0.99

00:49:53.320 They get it.

00:49:53.800 Yeah, I think that we're seeing, uh, many Americans just like FDNY right there, just

00:49:59.840 kind of galvanize around Donald Trump because they see what is so clear, uh, that, that this

00:50:06.200 is the, as much as the left likes to talk about, you know, oh, democracy is at stake and this

00:50:11.060 is a, everything is a threat to democracy and we love democracy.

00:50:14.380 They are very clearly engaging in, you know, uh, disturbing a political election, election

00:50:21.300 interference, as much as they talk about, we don't like election interference.

00:50:24.760 Uh, that's what they're doing by the persecution of Donald Trump.

00:50:27.840 And I, even the independents, and I would say the, the moderate Democrats that still exist,

00:50:34.280 they see this for what it is.

00:50:36.000 They see right through it.

00:50:37.600 They know that Donald Trump is not guilty of all of these things.

00:50:40.340 They know that E. 1.00

00:50:41.220 Jean Carroll is a psychopath. 0.99

00:50:43.140 They know all these things. 1.00

00:50:44.380 They can see it.

00:50:45.460 And I think that every American should be sitting there wondering to themselves again, Donald

00:50:49.700 Trump has said it, if they can do it to him, they will do it to you.

00:50:54.100 Ask the J sixers who are still rotting in, in federal prison for parading around and being 1.00

00:50:59.720 led on a guided tour by Capitol police.

00:51:01.860 I mean, we are seeing serious ramifications of the weaponization of the judicial system

00:51:07.220 against, uh, half of America seemingly.

00:51:09.960 And I just think that there are so many more Americans that are awake because the left overplayed

00:51:14.780 their hand on this as they do so often as Megan and Josh, I know you guys know they

00:51:19.020 overplayed their hand on this.

00:51:20.720 They took it too far and America sees what they're doing.

00:51:24.020 There, you know, there's no question that people get that Trump has been kicked around

00:51:28.680 more so than any other, even strong Republican politician that I mean, what they're doing

00:51:34.940 to him.

00:51:35.300 You have a whole podcast about it, Josh to him is extraordinary.

00:51:37.960 And that's what made it particularly interesting to me that this clip that was going around

00:51:42.600 X the other day that I retweeted to, um, it's, uh, from the history in memes X account.

00:51:49.740 And it's a 34 year old Donald Trump, uh, just a real estate mogul at the time.

00:51:57.180 And he's asked by a reporter, it's classic stuff is like the old school television.

00:52:02.240 And the way this woman asked the questions are interesting.

00:52:04.180 Anyway, uh, it's a longer clip, but take a look at 34 year old Donald Trump being asked

00:52:09.600 about why he wasn't going to run for president.

00:52:13.500 For some people, the ultimate goal in life, uh, has been becoming the president of the United

00:52:19.280 States.

00:52:19.880 Would you like to be the president of the United States?

00:52:22.640 I really don't believe I would run it, but I would like to see somebody as the president

00:52:26.540 who could do the job.

00:52:27.520 And there are very capable people in this country.

00:52:29.920 Most people who are capable are not running for office.

00:52:32.200 Most men are frightened of politics today.

00:52:34.620 It is a shame, isn't it?

00:52:35.760 Yes.

00:52:36.080 It is a shame.

00:52:37.040 The most capable people are not necessarily running for political office.

00:52:41.980 And that is a very sad commentary on the country.

00:52:44.700 They had major corporations and they had this and that, but they are not running for political

00:52:48.760 office.

00:52:49.420 Why wouldn't someone like yourself run for political office?

00:52:52.080 You have all the money that you possibly need.

00:52:54.420 You've accomplished a great deal, even though you are only 34.

00:52:58.060 I know there's a lot of things that you possibly can do in the years ahead.

00:53:01.280 Why wouldn't you dedicate yourself to public service?

00:53:04.500 Because I think it's a very mean life.

00:53:06.680 I would love and I would dedicate my life to this country, but I see it as being a mean

00:53:11.300 life.

00:53:11.660 And I also see it that somebody with strong views and somebody with the kind of views that

00:53:16.900 are maybe a little bit unpopular, which may be right, but may be unpopular, wouldn't necessarily

00:53:22.560 have a chance of getting elected against somebody with no great brain but a big smile.

00:53:27.480 And that's a sad commentary for the political process.

00:53:31.280 There is something so riveting about that clip.

00:53:34.740 I don't know what it is.

00:53:35.940 It's just, it's him.

00:53:37.300 He looks just like Eric Trump there.

00:53:39.560 He's only 34.

00:53:40.560 It was 1981 on the Rona Barrett show.

00:53:43.280 And boy, if he only knew how right he was, Josh.

00:53:48.800 You know, it's funny.

00:53:51.580 So I don't know if you guys remember the old Comedy Central roasts, but my wife and I recently

00:53:55.540 rewatched all of them because there's some really good material on there.

00:53:58.020 And Donald Trump was roasted on the Comedy Central roast in 2011.

00:54:01.900 And he actually ends the night.

00:54:04.140 So they roast him.

00:54:05.200 And at the very end, he kind of gets back at the roasters.

00:54:07.800 And he kind of signs off the stage by saying, you're going to love me when I'm president of

00:54:11.620 the United States.

00:54:12.740 So he kind of called it as recently as 2011.

00:54:14.840 I'm not entirely sure what changed.

00:54:16.600 I mean, I guess he ran for president briefly back in the 1990s or explored it back on the

00:54:20.340 old Reform Party, the old Ross Perot ticket.

00:54:22.760 So, look, Donald Trump has always had very strong political feelings.

00:54:25.620 He's always had very heterodox views.

00:54:27.220 By the way, the one view that as far back as that clip, even probably further back to

00:54:31.260 the 1970s, the one thing where Donald Trump was always a traitor to his upper class

00:54:35.820 friends on was China and trade.

00:54:38.340 He was always much, much more hawkish on U.S.-China relations, much more anti-free trade

00:54:44.200 absolutism, much more pro-protectionist, much more pro-U.S. manufacturing.

00:54:49.520 Go back to look at what he was saying in interviews right around the time that he was giving this

00:54:52.860 clip.

00:54:53.420 And he was proved totally right on that.

00:54:55.260 He was proved remarkably prescient on that, I would argue, both economically and politically.

00:55:00.320 But yeah, I saw that clip the other day when it was circulating on social media as

00:55:03.600 well.

00:55:04.200 And it's remarkable as well how little his voice has changed.

00:55:07.200 I mean, if you close your eyes there, I mean, he basically basically sounds the exact same

00:55:10.600 way.

00:55:10.840 He looks just like Eric Trump, as you said there.

00:55:13.300 Look, the guy's been around for a long time.

00:55:15.100 He's been around in the public square for a long time now, Megan.

00:55:18.200 That's pretty cool.

00:55:19.120 I mean, I enjoy seeing it.

00:55:20.700 You know, I would like to see a no, I wouldn't.

00:55:24.140 I was going to say never mind.

00:55:26.420 I'll move on.

00:55:27.180 I'd like to see a clip of everybody who's running for office when they're super young

00:55:30.100 so I can compare and contrast.

00:55:31.220 But I think Trump's holding it together OK.

00:55:32.680 I want to switch over to Fannie Willis because there's developments in that legal case today. 0.79

00:55:38.220 Interestingly, and I don't think this is a positive development, Judge McAfee, the judge

00:55:42.960 who's deciding whether to disqualify Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade, just got a challenger.

00:55:48.520 He was running.

00:55:49.180 He'd been appointed to the spot.

00:55:51.360 There was a vacancy.

00:55:52.680 And now he has to run to, you know, you could call it re-election, but really he's technically

00:55:57.360 not been elected and he was running unopposed up until yesterday.

00:56:02.500 And now a Democrat has decided he's going to run against him named Robert Petillo, who

00:56:09.020 is a civil rights attorney, criminal defense attorney, talk radio host, former executive

00:56:13.840 director of the Rainbow Push Coalition, which is a social justice and civil rights group founded

00:56:18.400 by the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who seems to really, really, really hate Trump.

00:56:26.760 I'll just give you a couple.

00:56:29.040 Checking his social media, there's one post showing Trump and his post reads, this man 0.99

00:56:34.740 has brain damage. 0.96

00:56:37.460 He's got, oh gosh, a bunch of them.

00:56:40.080 He's celebrating the amount that he owes in that Letitia James civil litigation against

00:56:44.800 his corporation.

00:56:45.560 Uh, he is mocking the Trump sneakers, calling them air treasons, um, whatever he's, the point

00:56:56.000 is there's nothing nice about Donald Trump on here.

00:56:58.240 He can't stand him.

00:56:59.340 And again, this is a jurisdiction that went 72 plus almost 73% for Joe Biden in the presidential

00:57:07.120 election, Sarah.

00:57:08.360 And there's a real question about whether this is going to up the ante for this judge so much

00:57:12.960 that he's now essentially choosing between keeping his job and doing what's right, which

00:57:19.400 is if you ask most independent experts and not people who are thumb on the scale for Fannie

00:57:23.840 to DQ this woman and her lover. 0.97

00:57:25.960 Yeah.

00:57:26.960 The thing that strikes me, um, in this particular Fannie Willis situation is just how arrogant these

00:57:34.640 people on the left have gotten in.

00:57:37.040 I mean, she wasn't careful.

00:57:38.640 She and Nathan Wade weren't, they weren't careful.

00:57:40.860 It seems to be that everyone in town knew exactly what was going on.

00:57:44.340 And, but that seems to be par for the course when it comes to the left.

00:57:47.420 I mean, you have, you know, Hillary Clinton, like taking a baseball bat to their, you know,

00:57:51.820 computers to hide their tracks.

00:57:53.260 You have, you know, Bill Clinton saying, I did not have sexual relations with this woman.

00:57:56.540 I mean, you, they're, they're so arrogant because they know at the end of the day,

00:58:00.560 his alleged corruption.

00:58:02.040 And he's still there.

00:58:04.260 Democrats won't do anything about it.

00:58:06.280 And so, you know, I mean, we're seeing this two tier justice system, but really at the end

00:58:10.140 of the day, I mean, they are arrogant because they know that they can get away with it.

00:58:14.040 They've been getting away with it for so long.

00:58:16.900 And so, I mean, I'm with you, Megan, I'm very cynical about this particular situation.

00:58:21.020 I don't think that justice will be done in this situation because I mean, when has it ever been

00:58:26.240 done when you're on the left?

00:58:27.440 Seemingly you can get away with murder if you have a D after your name and you are a radical activist.

00:58:32.900 And yet, you know, again, I go back to Donald Trump and the people who are, you know, who were

00:58:37.700 at the Capitol on January 6th, particularly my friend, investigative reporter, Steve Baker,

00:58:42.160 who is now being charged with misdemeanor, then he's being perp walked.

00:58:45.740 And so, I mean, it is really scary.

00:58:47.740 We are living in a time.

00:58:49.160 Yeah, with with exactly with this two tier justice system where we seem to just be selectively

00:58:54.000 prosecuting people for their political opinions.

00:58:56.940 Meanwhile, you've got people like Fannie Willis who are over there.

00:58:59.840 I mean, participating in high levels of corrupt corruption.

00:59:03.480 You've got, you know, this money laundering situation with her with her boyfriend.

00:59:07.400 And to think that we will have a judge that will rule based off of politics and not the

00:59:13.500 actual law is really scary.

00:59:15.540 I hope I'm wrong.

00:59:17.020 I think our viewers agree with you, Sarah, because I read enough of the comments to know

00:59:20.260 that they do not believe this judge is going to have the fortitude to disqualify Fannie Willis,

00:59:24.560 which would be a big move, but totally justified here.

00:59:27.000 It's literally, I think, the only possible just result, given what we've seen.

00:59:31.280 But, Josh, this does add a complication because it is a Democratic district.

00:59:37.520 It's a heavily Democratic district.

00:59:39.680 And it really is, in a way, asking him potentially to choose between keeping his job as a judge

00:59:46.400 and doing what's right.

00:59:48.020 And I don't mean to suggest he's going to be self-serving, but like he's human.

00:59:51.900 And it's just a it's a big complication.

00:59:54.180 And that's why they did it.

00:59:56.340 This guy claims, oh, it's not about this judge and trying to pressure him and Fannie Willis.

01:00:00.800 But he went on and on about how he's hated the trial and he thinks it's been like a show trial

01:00:06.760 and not well handled.

01:00:08.080 And a real judge would have shut this thing down long ago.

01:00:12.340 So it's definitely a Democratic move to pressure Judge McAfee.

01:00:17.340 Yeah, look, Fulton County, Georgia, is where Atlanta is, out of the bluest area of the state

01:00:21.600 of Georgia.

01:00:22.420 I mean, that's why they're bringing this case there in the first place.

01:00:25.200 I mean, Fannie Willis is obviously a left wing nut job herself. 1.00

01:00:27.800 Well, look, Megan, I like you, I would think I thought that Judge McAfee has been fairly

01:00:32.980 fair over the course of these hearings thus far.

01:00:35.640 You know, in fact, when Fannie got off there as a witness herself and she sounded, frankly, 0.99

01:00:39.700 just like like a moron, I mean, like asking what continent the country of Belize is in. 0.99

01:00:43.860 I mean, she just did not come across well. 1.00

01:00:45.540 I really don't know how else to say it.

01:00:47.200 I thought that what Judge McAfee was doing, his strategy was to basically give her the rope

01:00:51.180 with which to hang herself. 0.91

01:00:52.340 And she very much did that.

01:00:54.340 And after that, I was like, wow, like he's actually being very fair here.

01:00:57.560 And maybe he is going to reach the obvious conclusion, especially after we saw that most

01:01:02.080 recent data point that the Trump's lawyers hired that geolocation cell phone investigator

01:01:07.320 guy that showed that they were communicating thousands and thousands of times.

01:01:10.980 He was leaving her apartment at 3.30 a.m.

01:01:13.180 It's all looking really, really, really bad.

01:01:15.800 This obviously is a complication.

01:01:17.860 And I guess one other comment on that, you know, it's worth pointing out America has

01:01:21.640 50 states.

01:01:22.940 There is no one size fits all solution to how state judges become judges in the state.

01:01:28.340 So there are judicial elections in some states.

01:01:30.180 There are judicial retention elections in some states where you vote just to keep or to let

01:01:34.600 a judge go, but you don't vote for an actual successor.

01:01:36.940 Then you have advice and consent.

01:01:38.500 You have the so-called Missouri plan.

01:01:39.780 There's a lot of different ways out there to get state judges is one thing that the states 0.90

01:01:43.460 are very divided on.

01:01:44.820 As a lawyer, I know you are as well, Megan.

01:01:46.580 I have a lot of friends who are on different sides of this particular issue.

01:01:50.440 I've actually been more in favor of partisan judicial elections than most of my lawyer friends

01:01:54.300 historically.

01:01:55.000 But this clearly is one of the potential downsides to it if the judge's decision making is swayed

01:01:59.240 by this primary challenge.

01:02:01.140 I know.

01:02:02.340 And, you know, look, there's always the potential for a federal judgeship for this guy.

01:02:06.680 Governor Kemp is the one who put him in the spot to begin with.

01:02:09.760 And I'm sure that could be attempted.

01:02:11.820 We'll see, given the way, you know, the Senate is right now.

01:02:16.400 But I hope he does the right thing.

01:02:18.720 And I hope he doesn't make it about himself and his longevity in Fulton County, because

01:02:22.420 let's face it, that's probably limited anyway.

01:02:25.320 As a Republican federalist judge in Fulton County, how long could he last anyway?

01:02:30.680 Anyway, good luck to him.

01:02:32.480 And I guess good luck to his challenger in keeping it a fair race.

01:02:37.380 Guys, thank you both so much.

01:02:38.560 Josh and Sarah, what a pleasure.

01:02:40.040 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:02:42.920 OK, up next, we're going to be joined by author Gareth Russell, and we're going to get into

01:02:48.440 a lot of things happening across the pond.

01:02:50.640 But my first question is going to be, what the heck is going on with Kate Middleton?

01:02:56.280 All right.

01:02:57.120 What's happening?

01:02:58.020 Because William just had to cancel yet another engagement for personal reasons.

01:03:03.780 The engagement was like two steps away from where he lives.

01:03:06.600 Nobody knows what's actually happening with Princess Kate.

01:03:10.980 Does Gareth?

01:03:11.780 We'll find out.

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01:04:10.580 In our first hour, we discussed the train wreck that was the State of the Union address.

01:04:19.560 Now it's time to go across the pond to the royal mystery that has everyone asking, where

01:04:25.900 is Kate Middleton?

01:04:28.220 And what did she have done in the hospital?

01:04:31.400 It's been nearly two months since the Princess of Wales had, quote, abdominal surgery.

01:04:37.240 That's all they'll say.

01:04:38.320 And with every passing day, the conspiracy theories about what happened to her grow,

01:04:43.560 thanks in large part to the royal family's own, I think, mismanagement of the messaging.

01:04:48.740 You've got to say something.

01:04:50.420 It's not 1800.

01:04:52.280 We need to know something.

01:04:53.940 And we have the perfect guest to discuss this and many other things related to the royals.

01:04:59.740 Historian and author of the book, The Palace, From the Tudors to the Windsors, 500 years

01:05:05.380 of British history at Hampton Court.

01:05:07.800 Gareth Russell, welcome to the show.

01:05:10.960 Oh, thanks for having me, Megan.

01:05:13.060 Oh, the pleasure is all ours.

01:05:14.180 I loved listening to you on my husband Doug's podcast dedicated with Doug Brunt.

01:05:18.320 You guys covered such fun ground, including your relationship with Charles C.W. Cook, which

01:05:22.740 I'm going to have to ask you about as well.

01:05:24.220 But let's start here.

01:05:25.600 Let's start here.

01:05:28.760 What is going on with Kate Middleton?

01:05:31.860 She went in the hospital for 13 days.

01:05:35.860 She got out.

01:05:37.680 She's just now been seen for the first time in a car being driven by her mother.

01:05:43.760 But they're not telling us anything.

01:05:46.040 And as I mentioned to the audience before we went to break, now her husband, Prince William,

01:05:51.080 on February 29th, February 27th, canceled a public appearance at a memorial god service

01:06:01.320 or memorial service for his godfather.

01:06:03.440 And that's notwithstanding the fact that he could literally have walked right across to

01:06:08.700 that venue had he chosen to, but he had to cancel for a, quote, personal matter.

01:06:13.620 This has everyone wondering what this is.

01:06:16.680 They say it's not cancer related.

01:06:18.360 That's all they'll tell us.

01:06:19.400 What do you know about it?

01:06:19.960 Yeah, so that's a very good point about the memorial service for his godfather.

01:06:25.760 And it was a very prestigious event.

01:06:28.140 So his godfather was the last king of Greece.

01:06:30.980 And really, most of the European royal families sent representatives to London for the memorial

01:06:36.500 service.

01:06:37.260 The Greek royal family settled in Britain after the revolution.

01:06:40.220 So it was surprising that he wasn't there.

01:06:44.480 And I think you're right.

01:06:45.720 I think, well, it's the million dollar, million pound question, isn't it?

01:06:48.840 What's wrong?

01:06:49.960 It's interesting you mentioned that they ruled out cancer.

01:06:52.940 That does seem to be within the royal household, as it is, I suppose, for many families.

01:06:57.080 The big C is the big thing.

01:06:59.400 And they will be fairly candid about life-threatening or terminal conditions.

01:07:04.540 And we've seen with the king talking about his cancer.

01:07:08.320 There are a lot of rumors about what's wrong with the Princess of Wales, Meghan. 1.00

01:07:12.860 They range from the credible to the outright deranged.

01:07:17.360 And I think you're probably right that the royal household could have done more.

01:07:22.960 As you say, if you give nothing, someone else will supply that information and they won't

01:07:27.660 have the basis or good faith that you do.

01:07:30.100 I think Kensington Palace's perspective, though, is to defend them a bit.

01:07:34.840 They said, look, you'll be told after Easter it's not Easter yet.

01:07:38.440 You'll get the information when she's ready.

01:07:42.120 It's a tough one, isn't it?

01:07:43.220 Because obviously everyone has the right to privacy when they're recuperating.

01:07:46.280 But at the same time, she is a very, very public figure.

01:07:49.240 So the panelists are sort of caught in their own plan, if you like.

01:07:54.020 They don't really know how to get out of this without looking like they're backing down to

01:07:57.140 social media pressure.

01:07:58.120 I mean, abdominal surgery could be any number of things, but I can't think of one.

01:08:03.420 And I even asked my own doctor at my annual physical, what could keep you in the hospital

01:08:07.580 for two weeks, especially as a young, vibrant woman?

01:08:11.440 She's only, I think, 42.

01:08:13.500 And even he was stumped.

01:08:16.040 We weren't coming up with anything.

01:08:17.360 I said, a hysterectomy?

01:08:18.480 He said, even that you would have been out shorter.

01:08:21.140 Online, they've speculated maybe an ovarian cyst.

01:08:23.960 That can be done laparoscopically.

01:08:27.440 My son, people know this, a couple of years ago, got injured on a ski mountain and tore

01:08:33.420 his spleen in three places.

01:08:35.740 He had to be in the ICU for seven days, not moving.

01:08:39.500 Seven days.

01:08:40.660 Not two weeks.

01:08:42.040 And that was a very serious, potentially life-threatening injury.

01:08:45.820 Anyway, that's part of the mystery.

01:08:48.260 What on earth could keep a vibrant, otherwise healthy person in the hospital for it wound

01:08:54.300 up being 13 days?

01:08:56.900 Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned the hysterectomy because that was kind of the presumed reason

01:09:02.480 for a long time in the British press, although they did hold back a bit on speculation.

01:09:07.080 But certainly that was the front runner, if you like, for the public reasons.

01:09:12.360 If I was to give the royal household any advice, and fairly obviously, they have no need to listen

01:09:17.700 to me.

01:09:18.240 But if I was to give them, or if I was doing this myself, I think what they would need

01:09:23.700 to do, Megan, is when the princess is back to public duty, some kind of interview or fuller

01:09:29.520 statement will be needed.

01:09:31.340 Otherwise, even when she's back in public life, a lot of these conspiracy theories will

01:09:35.460 not die down.

01:09:36.560 They'll keep running.

01:09:37.640 Conspiracy theories are sort of like cockroaches after a nuclear bomb, aren't they?

01:09:41.160 They just keep, they can survive anything.

01:09:42.760 I'll tell you one that we're going to know, whether it's true pretty soon, one way or

01:09:47.540 the other.

01:09:47.920 And there's this craziness from Esther Krakow, a writer and broadcaster on Sky News.

01:09:53.680 Listen to what she thinks happened in 26, not 26.

01:09:56.080 I mean, some of the conspiracy theories, I have to admit, they did make me laugh.

01:10:00.800 There's a meme going around on the internet, assuming that, well, saying that Mrs. Catherine

01:10:06.120 underwent a BBL surgery.

01:10:08.500 So she may very well be the first Kardashian of the royal family if Meghan Markle doesn't 0.67

01:10:13.080 beat her to it.

01:10:15.500 Okay.

01:10:16.380 With respect to Esther, she was just repeating what she saw.

01:10:19.500 She was.

01:10:19.800 One of the BBL, for those not familiar, is the Brazilian butt lift. 0.89

01:10:24.440 It's what Kim Kardashian obviously had, though she denies it, where you just make your butt 0.83

01:10:29.440 enormous. 0.95

01:10:29.920 Now, I do think, Gareth, we're going to know that one before there's any admission after

01:10:33.380 Easter.

01:10:35.060 Look, Meghan, I think if it's the HRH BBL, we will know.

01:10:40.120 It'll be pretty obvious when it comes time for state banquets and they have to get an extra

01:10:43.460 wide chair for the princess of wheels.

01:10:47.080 Yeah, I think Esther was right, probably, to have a bit of fun with that one.

01:10:50.400 But yeah, but it's one among many, although I have to say, in terms of the laughter, really,

01:10:56.720 that's one of my favorites.

01:10:58.800 Yeah, well, I mean, the royal family seems to be in a bit of a health crisis at the moment

01:11:02.300 between Kate being in the hospital for two weeks and the king, 18 months into his reign,

01:11:06.640 getting diagnosed again with some form of mystery cancer, right?

01:11:11.320 That's another one where we haven't been given all the facts.

01:11:14.600 I mean, when you're talking about the big C, they really should just be transparent on it.

01:11:18.240 This is like what's happening with our defense secretary over here.

01:11:20.900 Like, everything's a parlor game.

01:11:23.340 I realize it's private, but these are public figures in very prominent roles, and their

01:11:29.280 life in Great Britain is basically funded by the taxpayers.

01:11:31.900 So there is, it's a tough balance there.

01:11:34.380 How do we think the king is doing?

01:11:36.120 The king, it was pretty remarkable for him to come out and say that he was undergoing

01:11:41.180 treatment for the enlarged prostate, partly because there is, there is still an element

01:11:45.600 to which the royals are quite private.

01:11:47.620 I mean, we never talked about his mother's health in that degree.

01:11:50.580 Right.

01:11:50.820 A few, yeah, totally.

01:11:52.580 And a few years ago, I worked in a biography of his grandmother.

01:11:55.440 And when I was doing the section on her life in the 1960s, I still couldn't get a definite

01:12:00.480 answer on whether she had cancer then.

01:12:02.540 You know, there's still, there was that element of privacy.

01:12:06.360 What's really interesting, Megan, is that when he talked about going for the prostate treatment,

01:12:11.160 which he was very open about, I think there was something like a 1,450% increase in British

01:12:16.420 men accessing prostate cancer services and charities.

01:12:20.000 So the potential for them to do an enormous amount of public good when they are open about

01:12:25.680 it is extraordinary and very palpable.

01:12:29.000 Some people have supported him not then specifying what cancer was discovered in the prostate treatment

01:12:34.480 because it encouraged people to keep looking, you know, for all kinds of cancers.

01:12:38.740 But other people, like you said, have lent more towards the perspective of you were specific

01:12:45.160 about one thing and then not the other.

01:12:47.040 Isn't there maybe a benefit to consistency and being a bit more open generally across

01:12:51.800 the board as you worry about the prostate?

01:12:54.100 They should just do what our president does, which is just don't get tested.

01:12:57.040 Anything that you think is bothering you, just don't, don't have it tested and put a

01:13:00.900 doctor out there saying everything's fine. 0.92

01:13:02.840 Don't believe your lying eyes.

01:13:05.160 But that, to be honest, that's probably how I cope with my own health.

01:13:07.400 I just pretend everything's fine.

01:13:10.680 Until, until the man upstairs wants to send you a different message.

01:13:14.740 Right.

01:13:15.380 Until it's time to go.

01:13:16.580 Yeah.

01:13:18.140 Let's just take a little sojourn over onto your mention of the Queen Mum, because I

01:13:23.160 do think this is fascinating.

01:13:24.580 So your book was about not Queen Elizabeth, but her mother.

01:13:29.380 And for listeners at home, this is the Helena Bonham Carter character in the King's Speech.

01:13:35.520 Right.

01:13:35.700 This is the, this is the woman, like we knew the Queen, the Queen Mother.

01:13:38.680 If you're old enough, you remember the Queen, the Queen Mum.

01:13:41.320 She lived to be what, 104, something right old age?

01:13:44.440 Yeah, 101.

01:13:45.140 Well, yeah, she got it.

01:13:45.880 She got into her centenary very comfortably.

01:13:49.020 Okay.

01:13:49.480 And so, you know, most of us who didn't know much about her did fall in love with that character

01:13:53.600 in the King's Speech because she was so loyal to her husband, who is the father of Queen Elizabeth

01:13:58.800 and now the grandfather of the current King, King Charles.

01:14:02.640 So I loved some of your stories to Doug.

01:14:05.520 You were saying that you unearthed all sorts of fun anecdotes about her.

01:14:10.100 She had a great, somewhat bawdy sense of humor.

01:14:13.160 It sounds like she didn't take herself that seriously for a queen.

01:14:18.500 No.

01:14:18.980 And I have to give Doug full points.

01:14:21.080 You know, when he makes the guests a drink, he made the Queen Mother's favorite tipple,

01:14:24.840 a gin and do bonnie.

01:14:25.640 And I tried to say, look, I don't know if this is an on-air kind of drink.

01:14:29.120 It's closer to painstripper, Doug, but, but we'll give it a go.

01:14:32.900 So, yeah, the Queen Mother was just, I loved writing about her, Megan.

01:14:36.340 I have a real soft spot for kind of tough women. 1.00

01:14:40.480 They used to call her the steel dagger in a silk glove because she was very charming,

01:14:44.780 but you didn't mess with her.

01:14:46.620 And she had this fantastic sense of humor. 0.93

01:14:48.980 So she had two gay servants and quite a few gay servants, actually, 0.97

01:14:53.120 because homosexuality was legal for a large part of her life in the UK.

01:14:57.760 And in her house, it was sort of a safer environment for them.

01:15:01.500 But two of the footmen ended up dating each other, but also quarreling.

01:15:05.620 And one afternoon, they forgot to bring her drink because they were arguing.

01:15:10.700 And she didn't realize other people, including a bishop, were in the house at the time.

01:15:15.660 And she intercommed and said, when you two old queens have finished fighting, 1.00

01:15:20.120 could you fetch this old queen her drink? 0.99

01:15:22.460 And that was the story that I heard over and over again,

01:15:25.500 because I think the bishop was trying not to laugh too hard.

01:15:28.060 But, yeah, she didn't take herself too seriously.

01:15:30.780 One person who did take her seriously, and I think this is a compliment of all compliments,

01:15:34.840 during the Second World War, Hitler called her the most dangerous woman in Europe,

01:15:39.420 because she was so tough and gave such a lift to British morale during the Blitz.

01:15:44.800 Because unlike a lot of other governments, the king and queen refused to evacuate London,

01:15:49.980 even during the air raids.

01:15:51.400 Buckingham Palace was hit twice.

01:15:53.380 And she actually became a really skilled marksman.

01:15:55.420 And she told Winston Churchill that she thought, if the Nazis invaded,

01:16:00.320 that she knew they would probably kill her and her family.

01:16:03.800 So she was determined to charge at them with a gun and try to take as many of the Nazis with her 0.95

01:16:08.320 before she was gunned down.

01:16:10.540 So I had a huge amount of time for her.

01:16:12.120 That's my kind of girl.

01:16:13.140 So this is kind of what I have been saying lately.

01:16:17.400 I was mocking earlier this week the fact that these young girls on TikTok over here 1.00

01:16:22.460 are trying to make a hero out of Monica Lewinsky.

01:16:26.140 I'm sorry, you know, but no.

01:16:28.700 And I see today here, you know, Katie Britt gives the response to the State of the Union for Republicans

01:16:35.500 and sounds absurd with this overacting and this overly dramatic performance.

01:16:42.140 And it's just so frustrating to me because I know and I see all the time

01:16:46.820 extremely strong female role models who are, forgive me, Gareth, just ball busters, right? 1.00

01:16:53.580 And they're out there.

01:16:55.240 I don't know why they don't get fronted or celebrated more,

01:16:58.500 in particular by our friends on the left over here in the States.

01:17:02.020 But I mean, you've lived it.

01:17:03.280 And for some reason, England is much better at recognizing it, elevating it, and celebrating it.

01:17:09.600 That's a really good point.

01:17:10.760 I wonder, it might be the historical past that we have.

01:17:14.820 You know, we have ball-busting queens stretching back a thousand years. 1.00

01:17:18.900 So maybe there's a culture of us, you know, we like spine in our public figures,

01:17:24.460 certainly in the past.

01:17:25.820 And I think one of the things that the Queen Mother really passed on to her daughter,

01:17:29.920 the late Queen Elizabeth, is that sometimes you don't need to be really showy about your charisma

01:17:35.960 or about your public service or even about your personality.

01:17:39.700 There's a real...

01:17:41.040 I said this to Doug, actually, Megan, and we talked about this.

01:17:43.780 It stuck with me.

01:17:44.880 I think there's such a great virtue in just putting one foot in front of the other,

01:17:49.400 turning up, you know, doing your duty and keeping going.

01:17:52.380 And that's kind of why I gravitated towards people like the Queen Mother who took their

01:17:58.040 country and their roles seriously, but didn't take themselves too seriously.

01:18:01.860 I think that's a great balance.

01:18:04.300 Here's a little bit, if you guys haven't seen the King's Speech back in 2010, you need to.

01:18:08.100 It's so good.

01:18:09.080 We cut a clip.

01:18:09.920 I think this is Colin Firth as the King, but let's watch.

01:18:12.420 With war looming, you've saddled this nation with a voiceless king.

01:18:18.320 You've destroyed the happiness of my family, all for the sake of ensnaring a star patient

01:18:24.720 you couldn't possibly hope to assist.

01:18:29.420 It'll be like Mad King George III.

01:18:34.620 It'll be like Mad King George the Stammerer, who let his people down so badly in their

01:18:47.440 hour of need.

01:18:49.500 What are you doing?

01:18:50.600 Get up.

01:18:50.980 You can't sit there.

01:18:51.840 Get up.

01:18:52.420 Why not?

01:18:52.880 It's a chair.

01:18:53.660 No, that is not a chair.

01:18:55.520 That is St. Edward's chair.

01:18:59.160 People have carved their names on it.

01:19:00.580 A chair is the seat on which every king and queen is held embraced by a large rock.

01:19:05.220 That is the stone of schoon.

01:19:06.620 You are trivializing everything.

01:19:08.440 You trivialize everything. 1.00

01:19:09.440 I don't care how many royal assholes have sat in this chair. 1.00

01:19:11.640 Listen to me. 1.00

01:19:12.140 Listen to me.

01:19:12.500 Listen to me.

01:19:13.240 Listen to you.

01:19:13.760 By what right?

01:19:14.480 By divine right, if you must.

01:19:15.800 I am your king.

01:19:16.440 No, you're not.

01:19:16.940 You told me so yourself.

01:19:17.900 You said you didn't want it.

01:19:19.360 Why should I waste my time listening to you?

01:19:20.940 Because I have a right to be.

01:19:22.080 I have a voice.

01:19:29.060 Yes, you do.

01:19:30.580 Oh, so brilliant.

01:19:33.200 Geoffrey Rush was amazing.

01:19:34.400 Colin Firth, too.

01:19:35.800 And that I mean, this the whole movie was based on an actual fact, which was the king

01:19:40.040 has, as he points out, a stammer and his wife, the queen mother who we've been discussing

01:19:44.120 was very supportive of him and trying to get through it.

01:19:47.640 Yeah.

01:19:47.860 And actually, I love this story.

01:19:49.460 One of the things I found out when I was researching my book on her was that the writer,

01:19:54.820 I think David Seedler is his name, contacted her in 1981, 1982 and asked her questions

01:19:59.780 about her husband's speech impediment about the therapy.

01:20:03.800 And she answered them.

01:20:04.780 She wrote him back pages upon pages of answers.

01:20:07.840 And then she said at the end, this was very painful.

01:20:11.200 It was a really difficult time in my life.

01:20:13.520 Would you mind waiting until I'm dead before you make the movie of this?

01:20:17.400 But don't worry.

01:20:18.000 I'm 83.

01:20:19.400 You won't have to wait too long.

01:20:20.940 And then she left the 101.

01:20:22.320 But he did hold off.

01:20:23.280 He kept his promise and didn't make it until she died.

01:20:25.560 All right.

01:20:27.260 I mean, I would be remiss if I did not point out because he mentioned King George, the

01:20:30.240 Mad King.

01:20:30.880 And that is the one from whom we rebelled when America was formed in a more perfect union.

01:20:37.220 And I don't know if you're familiar.

01:20:39.060 I know that you're very culturally astute.

01:20:41.020 But here in Connecticut, the cultural event of the season happened the other night when

01:20:45.440 my son's fourth grade class put on the American Revolution.

01:20:51.120 And it was a triumph.

01:20:53.300 It was incandescent, Gareth.

01:20:55.860 And I told the audience this was coming, but our son Thatcher got cast as Betsy Ross.

01:21:01.540 It's an all-boys school.

01:21:02.400 So some of the boys played girls.

01:21:04.140 And we just cut just a bit of, we blurred the children's faces because I, you know, everybody's

01:21:08.580 privacy.

01:21:08.980 But here's just a little bit of how that looked.

01:21:11.980 The legislatures in the state and George Washington was unanimously elected president

01:21:18.480 by the Electoral College.

01:21:20.200 The Electoral College?

01:21:21.280 How does that work?

01:21:22.200 No one knows, dear.

01:21:23.760 It's a complete mystery.

01:21:27.480 Please, Betsy. 0.99

01:21:28.600 It's just a bit complicated.

01:21:30.360 Okay.

01:21:30.980 Well, why don't we let these fellows here explain?

01:21:33.640 They're on their way to participate in the very first Electoral College.

01:21:37.680 And scene.

01:21:41.940 So that was my little Betsy talking about the Electoral College. 0.93

01:21:45.940 That's the period drama we all should be seeing the movie rights for.

01:21:48.780 That's what I want to see, Megan.

01:21:50.520 Let me tell you something.

01:21:51.400 Thatcher Brunt could teach Katie Britt a thing or two about not being overly dramatic. 1.00

01:21:55.200 Hold it back.

01:21:56.500 Really?

01:21:56.820 Listen, if Thatcher doesn't end up playing Betsy Ross in the movie version of the American

01:22:01.500 Revolution, I'm not buying a ticket.

01:22:03.180 That's just the way it's going to have to be.

01:22:05.980 Listen, I would take the queen mother any day over Kamala Harris, who stands and applauds

01:22:11.100 for herself.

01:22:12.400 The queen would be rolling over in her grave if she ever saw one of her offspring being 1.00

01:22:16.420 so self-congratulatory.

01:22:18.360 It's not a thing.

01:22:19.320 And also the stiff upper lip.

01:22:20.760 We missed that.

01:22:21.640 Somehow in our separation from Great Britain, we lost that entirely.

01:22:26.480 Now we just lean into our weaknesses, our complaints, and our lack of being able to handle

01:22:32.460 our emotions at every turn.

01:22:34.840 What's funny, because she did have some insecurities, but she said that the best she ever felt about

01:22:40.260 herself, this is the queen mom, was when she went to New York, I think in the 1950s.

01:22:44.800 And some of the wonderful New York taxi drivers just rolled down their windows and shouted,

01:22:50.760 you look great.

01:22:51.500 I don't like thin women. 1.00

01:22:52.840 You look brilliant.

01:22:53.800 And she said, well, I'm a bit fat, but the New York taxi drivers love me.

01:22:59.240 Those guys are the best.

01:23:01.120 Well, I mean, apparently, you know, how many decades later, they felt very differently about

01:23:06.160 Meghan Markle because they chased her to within an inch of her life in her fake paparazzi 1.00

01:23:11.540 car chase that she said was nearly catastrophic, which is an impossibility on the streets of

01:23:17.060 New York.

01:23:17.600 What do you make of her?

01:23:20.380 It's really interesting because the figures, so she's not the least popular member of the

01:23:24.840 royal family.

01:23:25.360 That's Prince Andrew for, you know, fairly obvious reasons.

01:23:29.720 I know, I think this is, I'll put my money on the table, Meghan.

01:23:33.300 I have a feeling the Sussexes, or particularly Prince Harry, would like to be back involved

01:23:39.160 in royal life.

01:23:40.580 That, the numbers here, though, do not suggest the public would be wildly enthusiastic about

01:23:46.920 that.

01:23:48.160 Before Spare came out, about one in three, people said they would like to see Prince Harry

01:23:53.380 back in public life.

01:23:54.320 That's now more like one in seven.

01:23:55.720 Um, so the numbers have taken quite the tumble.

01:23:59.620 So, but you know what?

01:24:00.720 Everyone loves a comeback story.

01:24:03.360 So, well, not everyone, but we'll see.

01:24:05.120 We'll see.

01:24:06.000 I'm going to take, I'm going to take the, uh, what is it?

01:24:08.300 The, the no pass line on that one, um, speak tying, tying it all together.

01:24:13.780 Kate Middleton has an uncle named Gary Goldsmith.

01:24:18.060 I did not know this.

01:24:19.380 And he has been starring, for lack of a better term, in Celebrity Big Brother UK.

01:24:27.240 And he weighed in on, among other things, Meghan and Harry, by saying the following in SOT

01:24:33.460 29.

01:24:35.260 They were a threesome.

01:24:37.780 So Kate, William, and Harry, they look really comfortable together.

01:24:40.800 Love, and then suddenly there's an extra dynamic that comes in, puts a stick in the spokes, and

01:24:46.720 creates so much drama that I don't genuinely think was there, and re, rewrote the history

01:24:52.560 and said how unhappy he was.

01:24:54.780 And I just don't think that's fair.

01:24:56.700 And then you can't throw your family under a bus.

01:24:58.980 It's such a dramatic style.

01:25:00.200 They write books about it, and expect it to be invited around for Christmas.

01:25:05.420 Right on, Gary.

01:25:06.400 Who knew that there was a loquacious uncle to Kate Middleton out there doing Celebrity TV

01:25:11.700 and giving interviews?

01:25:13.120 Who is this guy?

01:25:13.780 Well, Meghan, firstly, can I also tell you, if you want to really just laugh yourself into

01:25:20.440 the evening, watch some of Sharon Osbourne's comments in that show.

01:25:25.540 She, they're like heat-seeking missiles. 1.00

01:25:27.660 Oh, Meghan, the tiny tears of laughter, to be honest.

01:25:30.480 They were brilliant.

01:25:31.180 Anyway, yeah, I think, I'm sure there's a bit of Kate thinking, oh my God, why is he on

01:25:38.600 Celebrity Big Brother?

01:25:39.660 This is the last thing on God's holy green earth I needed.

01:25:45.980 But at the same time, the public seemed to be really enjoying his performance.

01:25:50.220 And I think people thought he was going to come in and be a disaster.

01:25:53.920 And so far, not.

01:25:56.760 He's keeping her secret.

01:25:58.100 He was asked about Kate, and he said, I'm not saying anything.

01:26:00.540 I doubt Gary knows, let's be honest.

01:26:02.140 But he did say, I'm not going to say anything.

01:26:06.740 Here's one of the odds.

01:26:09.100 I think it's really easy to keep what you don't have, yeah.

01:26:12.040 Right.

01:26:12.500 We need a little bit of the Gary Goldsmith promo from this show, so our audience can

01:26:16.760 get to know him better.

01:26:17.540 Watch.

01:26:18.980 I'm Gary Goldsmith, the uncle to the future queen of our country, Catherine Middleton,

01:26:23.640 the current princess of Wales.

01:26:25.620 She is simply perfect.

01:26:27.620 First time I met William, Catherine was cooking, and William said, hi, do you want a cup of tea?

01:26:32.280 Very normal.

01:26:34.980 I often read that people think I'm a bit of a bad boy.

01:26:38.120 It'd be lovely to put the record straight, but winding people up is probably my favorite

01:26:42.660 hobby.

01:26:43.540 Every part of me is just riddled with mischief and danger.

01:26:47.740 I'm an absolute nightmare to live with.

01:26:49.520 There's a reason why I've had four wives. 0.53

01:26:54.680 So he's like, he's going to be, I don't know, what's he going to be?

01:26:58.140 He's going to be the uncle-in-law to the king one day.

01:27:01.460 Yeah.

01:27:02.420 Megan, can you imagine if you were related, particularly if you're the princess of Wales

01:27:07.480 and you see a moment where your uncle goes on national television and says, I love annoying

01:27:12.240 people and I'm full of mischief.

01:27:14.160 That has to be the point where you just take the ice out of the ice pack on your forehead

01:27:17.940 and dump it into a drink.

01:27:19.260 Like there's just that.

01:27:21.160 Well, at least they haven't disowned him like Megan and Harry did to Megan's father.

01:27:26.580 Yeah, there's, there's, it's no, it's not a Thomas, Thomas Markle.

01:27:29.680 There's not, not a Thomas Markle situation, but you know what, let's, let's just see how

01:27:34.120 celebrity big brother plays out.

01:27:35.780 I think I, so far, I have to say the British public seem to be loving it.

01:27:40.140 They are thoroughly entertained.

01:27:42.300 Well, um, I want to move on because I want to talk about your latest book that you discussed

01:27:47.060 with Doug, the palace, because it actually does have some good intrigue in there about

01:27:51.260 figures that, you know, people may actually remember and know.

01:27:54.440 So, um, for example, is there, I wanted to get into, um, Oh God, hold on a second.

01:28:00.240 I'm looking for my notes because there was a good one.

01:28:02.300 It was Elizabeth, Elizabeth nearly died of smallpox in 1562. 0.99

01:28:09.960 I mean, the queen Elizabeth, not, not the most recently part of queen Elizabeth.

01:28:15.160 And I, it, it did occur to me, I guess there's a long history of the Royals being very, very

01:28:20.300 secretive about their health issues.

01:28:23.220 Totally.

01:28:23.620 So, I mean, to go back to your earlier point, Megan, that sort of queen of the ball-busting 0.88

01:28:27.120 queens, Elizabeth the first, I mean, she ruled for 45 years from 1558 to 1603. 0.99

01:28:33.440 One of her nicknames was Gloriana.

01:28:35.280 She sort of considered one of the great English monarchs.

01:28:38.480 And yet only four years into her reign, she was at Hampton Court Palace, which is just this

01:28:43.480 gorgeous historic palace outside London.

01:28:46.800 And she caught smallpox.

01:28:48.740 And there are these 15 extraordinary days there where she very newly dies.

01:28:53.120 And she's unmarried.

01:28:54.340 She's childless.

01:28:55.780 Nobody knows who to pick as the next monarch.

01:28:58.960 And firstly, you think, what would history be like if she died after only four years as

01:29:03.260 queen rather than 45?

01:29:04.600 But the other thing to go to your point about the secrecy is had she died or monarchs died

01:29:11.200 unexpectedly, there was a chance of civil war.

01:29:13.820 There was a chance of rebellion, riots.

01:29:15.480 So secrecy sort of becomes baked into the royal DNA from this ancient precedent.

01:29:23.120 And each chapter in the palace is sort of a different room, different person, different

01:29:26.780 decade, moving from royalty to servants.

01:29:29.760 And that chapter I love doing because I kind of do love the mystery of what if it had all

01:29:34.080 gone so wrong and she hadn't turned the corner that autumn at Hampton Court.

01:29:39.860 Well, it's amazing that they lived through any physical challenge back then, given the bizarre

01:29:46.260 remedies they were unleashing on one another back in the day, you know, there's a great

01:29:51.020 line in one of the Woody Allen movies where they talk about, you know, what would you miss

01:29:54.320 if you did time travel back to the 1920s?

01:29:56.300 And you were there, you know, in Paris, France, when all the greats were writing and he said

01:30:00.460 antibiotics, you know, it's like man had a point.

01:30:05.360 Yeah, penicillin or or even like a good paracetamol, if you're having like really minor things that

01:30:12.160 they that they struggled with.

01:30:13.760 And one of the things I discovered writing that chapter was that they she had a German

01:30:18.040 doctor and he had an Arabic remedy.

01:30:19.680 So they wrapped her like a funeral shroud head to toe in red flannel and then put her next 0.99

01:30:25.400 to a massive fireplace and cooked her like they sweated the disease out of her, which sounds 0.86

01:30:31.680 just like one percent less comfortable than dying, to be totally honest.

01:30:36.240 But that's kind of how they got the fever out of her. 0.99

01:30:39.480 Right.

01:30:39.960 I mean, you see it depicted in all the movies, like the leeches sucking the blood and then

01:30:43.640 they actually cut people so they could bleed out.

01:30:46.460 People are one step away from doing that after having received the covid vaccine these days.

01:30:50.340 They're like you hear all these stories about people going down in Mexico and getting their

01:30:53.520 blood replaced.

01:30:54.260 It's like, OK, I don't I'm not sure that's going to solve anything.

01:30:57.520 But in any event, what bizarre remedies are we doing to ourselves right now that we're

01:31:01.800 going to look back on and laugh or cringe at?

01:31:04.900 All right.

01:31:05.040 I've got to ask you about Charles Cook because we love Charlie.

01:31:08.920 We're huge fans of Charlie.

01:31:11.020 Everyone on the team loves Charlie, except for my assistant, Abigail Finan, because she's

01:31:15.840 the same age as Charlie and she's horrified at what he has achieved and the big brain he

01:31:21.500 has.

01:31:21.900 And she does not feel she has, even though she's an amazing person.

01:31:25.640 And she he makes her feel like she hasn't quite done enough with her 37 years.

01:31:32.280 So what was it like going to college with Charlie?

01:31:35.440 I think I was Abigail, to be totally honest.

01:31:38.100 Imagine imagine being next to Charles, who had this sort of very, you know, you know,

01:31:45.500 neither Charles nor I were chained to the library when we were talking about our favorite

01:31:52.080 memories.

01:31:52.560 It was a pub called the King's Arms, which tells you pretty much everything you need

01:31:56.000 to know.

01:31:56.540 And yet Charles just had this unbelievable grasp, particularly of American history.

01:32:01.720 He did his thesis on the Second Amendment and he was just even then so incredibly impressive.

01:32:07.920 So, yeah, Abigail, I fully and completely empathize.

01:32:13.300 He's just relentlessly impressive.

01:32:16.120 Were you surprised when he decided to pursue and attain American citizenship?

01:32:21.300 No, I was surprised he didn't do it earlier.

01:32:24.240 He but he really he he just absolutely loves the United States and his knowledge of the

01:32:28.900 Constitution and the American Revolution was is is genuinely extraordinary.

01:32:33.840 This, by the way, is the nicest I've ever been about him.

01:32:36.160 I guess I'm just not going to move on from that.

01:32:38.280 Let's hear the bad Charlie Cook stories.

01:32:39.980 Come on.

01:32:40.200 Give me something to use against him.

01:32:41.540 Oh, right.

01:32:42.240 I'll give you.

01:32:43.120 No, he won't.

01:32:43.980 He won't mind this.

01:32:44.960 But I hope not.

01:32:45.920 Otherwise, I'll never hear from him again.

01:32:47.160 But hey, he they they lifted the ban in the Oxford Library on on bringing drinks in if

01:32:54.080 you were revising for your final exams.

01:32:56.220 And they clearly meant water.

01:32:58.960 And he opened a bottle of red wine and decanted it into a glass.

01:33:03.960 And I just remember the librarian like a torpedo.

01:33:07.400 Get out.

01:33:08.340 And he had to leave the library with his nice Malbec, I think. 1.00

01:33:11.840 So that is one of my overall from college, my favorite memories, Charles decanting a nice

01:33:16.820 red in the middle of the history faculty.

01:33:19.120 He did it, but he did it in a classy way.

01:33:21.140 I mean, he's still talking about going down to the pub and getting his sort of view of

01:33:25.040 American life through the local pub.

01:33:26.900 We do that here as well as across the pond.

01:33:29.020 I mean, one thing that's interesting to me is you're you're Irish, right?

01:33:32.820 Yeah.

01:33:33.120 Yeah.

01:33:33.320 So I'm a Belfast boy.

01:33:34.480 Yeah, absolutely.

01:33:35.420 Yeah.

01:33:35.680 So what's interesting to me is, you know, Charles is from the UK, you're you too.

01:33:41.220 And I feel like you guys are almost canaries in the coal mine when it comes to what's happening

01:33:46.580 in our country with the wokeness and the crazy race essentialism and the crazy stuff in the 0.99

01:33:50.740 transit.

01:33:51.040 Like whenever I want to feel better about what's happening in America, I look over at

01:33:54.500 the UK.

01:33:55.200 I say, and Ireland in particular has been terrible, which I don't get.

01:34:00.840 I realize there's Protestants and so on, but there's a lot of Catholics over in Ireland.

01:34:03.680 We tend to be a little bit more socially conservative.

01:34:05.940 So what's happening?

01:34:07.140 Yeah, that's a great question, actually.

01:34:09.320 So I'm not Catholic.

01:34:10.360 So any Irish Catholic that feels that I'm speaking out of turn, I'm sure they will let

01:34:14.000 me know.

01:34:14.540 I can speak for all of us.

01:34:15.640 You're good.

01:34:16.480 OK, thanks.

01:34:17.820 Thanks, Megan.

01:34:18.980 So I think part of what happened with Irish Catholics quite seriously is that a lot of 1.00

01:34:24.420 the social conservatism and sort of was generally rocked by the scandals in the church, say,

01:34:29.500 the last 20, 30 years.

01:34:31.520 And there sort of has been really, I was going to say a come to Jesus moment, but that's

01:34:36.360 unintentionally ironic given what's happened.

01:34:39.500 Yeah, I think that's a really big part of it, Megan.

01:34:41.620 And I think probably in, say, like 20, 30 years, there'll be a historian who can say

01:34:45.400 what did the kind of the fallout from the abuse scandals in the Catholic church do to

01:34:52.120 social conservatism across Southern Ireland?

01:34:55.100 Because, look, one of my best friend's mothers, it was such an interesting conversation.

01:34:59.740 She said that it was like a death to her.

01:35:02.660 You know, she used to go to mass every Sunday and then it became difficult and painful.

01:35:06.640 And you were trying to remember, had you seen things, you know, that weren't right?

01:35:12.340 So that, I think, is a really, really big part of that kind of shattering.

01:35:16.660 But it's also, I mean, look, it's also modernity, things shift, but I think those obvious scandals

01:35:21.500 did as yet not fully appreciated damage.

01:35:25.720 I think it was hugely impactful.

01:35:28.480 That is a very interesting, astute point.

01:35:31.840 Someone should take a hard look at that.

01:35:33.420 What role did that play in the deterioration that we're seeing and feeling on a society-wide

01:35:39.400 basis?

01:35:39.820 For sure, the absence of religion and the shoving of religion out of the public square and out 0.88

01:35:43.360 of public life and private life has been extremely detrimental.

01:35:47.180 But that's a very interesting theory on what's happened in the Catholic Church and why more

01:35:52.460 Catholics aren't standing up to this craziness. 1.00

01:35:56.020 Gareth Russell, you're amazing.

01:35:57.140 You're so interesting.

01:35:57.760 You've done so much.

01:35:58.560 Thank you.

01:35:59.020 And please come back.

01:36:00.720 Oh, anytime, Megan.

01:36:01.500 Thanks so much.

01:36:02.000 I had a great time.

01:36:03.720 Likewise.

01:36:04.260 All right.

01:36:04.460 So the latest book is called The Palace.

01:36:06.040 You guys need to check it out.

01:36:07.300 Very interesting and fun to read.

01:36:09.060 So I think you'll enjoy him in the written word as much as you did in the spoken.

01:36:12.740 All the best to you.

01:36:14.140 Okay.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 08, 2024

Biden's Angry SOTU, Britt's Cringe Response, and Princess Kate's Disappearance, with Sara Gonzales, Josh Hammer, and Gareth Russell ｜ Ep. 742

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