The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Blunder and Will Smith's Oscars Smack, with Sohrab Ahmari, Emily Jashinsky, and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal

00:00:02.160 on a wool coat from Winners,

00:00:03.760 I started wondering,

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00:00:08.560 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.

00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?

00:00:12.780 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:00:15.260 Did she pay full price?

00:00:16.600 Or that leather tote?

00:00:17.620 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:00:18.500 Or those knee-high boots?

00:00:20.300 That dress?

00:00:21.080 That jacket?

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:47.520 We're going to get to all the big news in just a minute

00:00:49.580 from what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock

00:00:51.980 last night at the Oscars.

00:00:53.420 And a rather stunning moment to Biden

00:00:56.800 and his multiple missteps,

00:00:59.260 including the latest one

00:01:00.480 seeming to call for regime change within Russia

00:01:04.440 and then all the White House aides running

00:01:07.240 to try to take it back.

00:01:09.120 I mean, it's happened over and over and over.

00:01:10.940 He can't keep his mouth shut.

00:01:12.080 He cannot control his messaging.

00:01:15.040 And on this particular matter, he needs to.

00:01:17.620 It's one thing when he's talking about

00:01:18.900 his chocolate chocolate chip.

00:01:20.380 It's quite another when we're talking about

00:01:22.220 Russia and Ukraine and so on.

00:01:24.680 But before we get to our guests and the news and all that,

00:01:27.960 I wanted to talk to you guys personally

00:01:29.440 about a couple of things that have been on my mind.

00:01:31.800 First of all, I'm going to tell you,

00:01:33.060 those who are watching this on YouTube,

00:01:35.140 for the next two weeks,

00:01:36.740 you're going to see me with my glasses on and off

00:01:39.940 as needed because I'm having LASIK in two weeks.

00:01:44.480 Two weeks from, wait, less than two weeks.

00:01:47.660 I'm having LASIK.

00:01:48.680 And you can't wear your glasses for two weeks before.

00:01:50.900 They need your corneas to be like

00:01:52.740 not manipulated by contact lenses.

00:01:54.860 So I'm very excited to be getting LASIK.

00:01:57.460 And there's a lot of pressure on the doctor

00:01:58.840 because if he screws it up, of course,

00:02:00.460 you know, you're all going to know.

00:02:02.800 But letting you know that.

00:02:04.800 Number two, just got back from vacation.

00:02:07.400 And I wanted to talk to you guys about something

00:02:09.000 that happened on vacation

00:02:10.080 because it was big in my own world.

00:02:12.480 And I just didn't feel like I could just resume the show

00:02:14.720 without talking about it.

00:02:15.720 So you may have noticed, not last week,

00:02:19.800 last week we did the RFK Jr. interview

00:02:22.820 on Monday and Tuesday.

00:02:24.600 And then we did sort of a wellness week special

00:02:26.980 for you guys, the following three days on sleep,

00:02:29.380 on exercise, on time management,

00:02:31.780 all well worth your time, by the way.

00:02:33.740 But the prior week, we were live the first three days

00:02:36.720 from Montana.

00:02:37.720 And then there were a lot of people noticing

00:02:39.340 that we weren't on the air Thursday and Friday

00:02:40.980 and wondering why that was.

00:02:42.840 And there was a very good reason.

00:02:44.360 We had planned on doing the show.

00:02:48.280 However, something happened to my little guy,

00:02:51.580 my Thatcher, my eight-year-old,

00:02:53.860 while we were skiing.

00:02:55.200 And thank God he's okay.

00:02:57.300 So I'll just start with the lead.

00:02:59.700 But he was just such a crazy experience.

00:03:02.620 We were skiing in Montana and he's a good skier.

00:03:07.280 He's been skiing since he was really, really little.

00:03:10.040 And he was on an advanced run and did the run just fine.

00:03:14.900 Skied it just fine.

00:03:16.460 But was inspired by this cave-like structure

00:03:19.920 that was on the run to check it out.

00:03:21.920 And he was with his instructor.

00:03:23.120 And it's something, I guess, a lot of people go to

00:03:26.660 and they sort of hike up to get into this little cave

00:03:29.680 and take a break on this run.

00:03:33.140 And he did that.

00:03:35.240 And he didn't even have his skis on.

00:03:37.060 He had on his ski boots.

00:03:38.780 Again, he's only eight.

00:03:40.320 And it was the end of the day and he was tired

00:03:42.460 and he apparently didn't have the strength

00:03:44.640 to make the climb that's necessary

00:03:47.140 to get into this little cave.

00:03:48.920 And he fell.

00:03:50.760 Now, meantime, I skied a little bit that morning

00:03:53.680 and then I was going for a, for a,

00:03:56.220 actually, I did the show.

00:03:57.940 I did a little skiing and then I was going for a massage.

00:04:00.940 And I get a call from Doug saying,

00:04:03.100 Thatcher's hurt and he's fine.

00:04:08.100 He's fine, but he's hurt.

00:04:09.640 And he's got to go to the hospital to be checked out.

00:04:11.020 So I confess, my first instinct was,

00:04:13.320 ah, crap, I'm going to miss my massage.

00:04:15.100 I'm sure he's fine.

00:04:16.920 Have you ever been there?

00:04:18.060 You know, it's like, oh, I'm sure he's fine,

00:04:19.460 but we'll go get him checked out.

00:04:21.200 So I get in the ambulance and there's Thatcher.

00:04:24.200 And he seems okay.

00:04:26.120 He's speaking.

00:04:27.120 He says he fell 10 feet and landed on some rocks

00:04:32.040 while hiking up this part of the mountain.

00:04:35.120 But he's got an IV in him.

00:04:37.180 And I'm like, why does he have an IV in him?

00:04:39.380 And the ambulance, you know,

00:04:41.960 the emergency technician said,

00:04:43.460 that's protocol when there might be an internal injury.

00:04:46.660 I'm like, well, why do you think there's an internal injury?

00:04:48.660 She said, well, given the way he fell,

00:04:50.780 he fell on rocks and the pain that he'd been complaining of.

00:04:55.180 It's a possibility.

00:04:56.220 So this is protocol.

00:04:57.120 So she said, do you want me to give him some fentanyl?

00:04:59.340 So I'm like, no, no, he seems fine.

00:05:03.840 He's in some pain.

00:05:04.880 But no, I don't want my eight-year-old to have fentanyl right now.

00:05:08.500 Let's wait until we get to the hospital.

00:05:09.760 And I understand, again, she was following protocol,

00:05:11.720 but it's a jarring thing to be asked that question.

00:05:15.240 So we get to the hospital.

00:05:18.060 And they said they needed to run some tests.

00:05:20.900 First, they needed to do an ultrasound on his belly to see what they'd find.

00:05:26.080 And they did that.

00:05:26.880 Dr. Rodriguez did that.

00:05:28.140 And we saw it.

00:05:29.440 And he said, what we're looking for is fluid that doesn't belong in between the organs,

00:05:35.000 which would be, he said, the only fluid that they're concerned about is blood.

00:05:39.760 So they don't want any internal bleeding.

00:05:41.420 So he did the scan.

00:05:42.380 And Thatcher said, I'm going to be fine.

00:05:43.760 I don't think I have that.

00:05:45.840 And he was so brave throughout.

00:05:49.280 So nothing came up.

00:05:51.700 OK, great.

00:05:52.800 Then they said, we have to do one more scan.

00:05:54.680 And that's a CT scan.

00:05:56.100 And you've heard about CT scans, right?

00:05:57.760 Although I've never had one.

00:05:58.900 I didn't actually know what it was.

00:06:01.060 What it is, is an enormous x-ray that has, unfortunately, a lot of radiation.

00:06:05.380 But it's great at seeing what an ultrasound can't see.

00:06:09.360 So my little guy, we put some pictures on the board.

00:06:12.640 You know, I don't show them publicly because I'm pretty much the opposite of Kim Kardashian

00:06:16.360 when it comes to my children.

00:06:18.900 So we put some pictures up where you can't really see Thatcher's face.

00:06:21.760 But he's going into the CT scan here.

00:06:24.180 And lo and behold, there was internal bleeding.

00:06:27.760 And he had lacerated, like, had two severe lacerations to his spleen and a third, the

00:06:35.440 size of which they weren't able to determine.

00:06:37.480 So three tears of his spleen, which is only, I guess it's about five inches.

00:06:46.120 I'm not totally sure on the size of a little boy's spleen.

00:06:49.940 But he dinged it up pretty good.

00:06:52.780 And he was bleeding internally.

00:06:54.520 And they said, you need to go to a more serious hospital right now.

00:06:58.140 And they said, ASAP.

00:06:59.420 You got to get into the ambulance.

00:07:01.040 So we were like, oh, my God, what?

00:07:03.040 So, you know, it's like an hour earlier, I'd been like, oh, I'm going to miss my massage.

00:07:06.880 And, you know, Thatcher's going to be fine.

00:07:08.320 We're going to go home.

00:07:08.860 And now suddenly we're, it's ASAP into the ambulance to the more severe hospital.

00:07:13.640 So we get back into the ambulance and he's still fine, you know, in terms of like he's

00:07:18.680 speaking and, you know, we're kind of cracking jokes.

00:07:21.420 I'm taking video of it just to sort of, we were laughing the whole time.

00:07:25.380 This is going to be a great show and tell.

00:07:26.920 He still has, they call it share.

00:07:28.660 Um, it's going to be a great share.

00:07:32.060 And, uh, we get to the hospital and they whisk him into the ICU.

00:07:36.880 And now I'm like, why are we going into the, I mean, I know absolutely nothing about medicine,

00:07:40.920 right?

00:07:41.080 So it's like, why are we going into the ICU?

00:07:44.320 And no one's making it totally clear to me why we're going to the ICU.

00:07:47.880 Um, until this lovely nurse who became sort of the heroine of our stay, Alyssa, um, ultimately

00:07:55.060 sat me down and explained to me that these are severe tears of his spleen and that there's

00:08:01.460 a very good chance he's going to lose his spleen and the doctor's going to explain more.

00:08:07.120 So now I call Doug, he's with our other two children and, you know, he and I had been

00:08:11.960 talking, but, you know, now we understand there's internal bleeding.

00:08:15.160 This could be a, an operation situation in a hospital.

00:08:19.420 We don't know in a town.

00:08:20.880 We don't know in the middle of Montana.

00:08:22.980 Uh, and we don't have our doctor there.

00:08:25.880 We don't know what to do exactly, but the surgeon did come in and said, um, we hope he's not

00:08:31.820 going to lose his spleen, but if the bleeding continues, we're going to take the spleen.

00:08:37.260 And, you know, I only know what I know from ER, you know, like, yeah, okay, that's not

00:08:42.680 bad.

00:08:43.140 You lose the spleen.

00:08:44.140 I said, Thatcher, of all the organs you could have injured, that's the best one to have

00:08:49.020 to lose.

00:08:49.440 And the doctor said, well, the gallbladder is better.

00:08:52.420 That was the doctor at the first hospital.

00:08:54.860 Um, so I wasn't that worried, but then we started talking to our doctors back on the

00:08:59.260 East coast who we, we've known a long time, friends of the family, peds specialists and

00:09:03.520 so on.

00:09:03.920 And pretty much to a person, they said, don't lose the spleen that there's, it's almost never

00:09:10.620 necessary in a young child to take the spleen, uh, to the, in today's day and age, and that

00:09:16.480 there are other measures you can do.

00:09:17.880 Like there's, if you can get an interventional radiologist, you can potentially save the spleen

00:09:23.040 without taking it.

00:09:24.880 Um, and, and taking the spleen itself is a major operation, which our surgeon told us as

00:09:29.080 well.

00:09:29.360 So, right.

00:09:31.960 So now you're there like, Oh God.

00:09:33.760 Okay.

00:09:34.280 So we don't really want them to operate.

00:09:37.040 We it's, it was a level three trauma center, not a level one, and they didn't have a peds

00:09:41.200 specialist.

00:09:41.640 So that was another thing, which wasn't ideal.

00:09:45.320 And, um, some of the folks advising us were saying you should seriously look into medevacking

00:09:51.380 him to a level one trauma center with this, with this pediatric specialist, uh, or at least

00:09:56.620 an interventional radiologist.

00:09:58.280 And that's, I guess what you need to sort of repair the spleen as opposed to take the

00:10:01.900 spleen.

00:10:03.340 Um, so the, the closest places that there, you could find that were Seattle, I think,

00:10:08.840 when Salt Lake city, Utah, but that's a lengthy plane ride.

00:10:12.380 And our surgeon was saying, don't move him.

00:10:16.320 Like the number one thing you don't want to do right now is move him.

00:10:19.520 He needs to be in the ICU.

00:10:21.120 He needs to be in the hospital bed and he is not allowed to even get up to go to the bathroom.

00:10:26.020 He cannot leave the bed.

00:10:28.820 So as a parent, like, what do you do?

00:10:31.460 Right?

00:10:31.740 Like, what do you do?

00:10:34.080 Because the bleeding's not stopping.

00:10:36.640 We don't want him to lose the spleen.

00:10:38.440 If there's any way of repairing it, we'd like to do that, but it's not safe to move him.

00:10:42.940 We're looking into the medevac flights, none of which can come immediately.

00:10:46.420 Anyway, you can, apparently they don't work the way they do in the movies where it's like

00:10:49.660 instantaneously you're gone.

00:10:50.920 And it takes a long time to arrange.

00:10:54.980 And then that's, if you can get a bed on the receiving end and if you can find the right

00:10:58.240 person on the receiving end.

00:10:59.380 And, and, you know, in the meantime, we look at our surgeon and our surgeon said to me,

00:11:03.380 he is not cleared for travel.

00:11:06.520 Like really felt strongly.

00:11:08.400 We should not be putting him on a flight.

00:11:10.280 So the long and the short of it was, they found an interventional radiologist who was

00:11:15.380 not a PED specialist, but who had done some work on children.

00:11:18.800 And they said, if things go south, this person's here.

00:11:24.480 There was a funny moment that you guys might appreciate knowing me as, as none of these

00:11:28.580 people did, um, where I was just as calm as I am speaking to you now.

00:11:33.980 I mean, if I, if I have one, you know, sort of natural benefit to my normal personality,

00:11:38.760 it's, I'm not a panicker.

00:11:40.800 I'm not an anxious person.

00:11:42.160 I always joke that I'm, I'm like Jeb Bush, low energy, if anything, which has come back

00:11:48.120 to help me more than haunt me in my life.

00:11:49.660 I just, it takes a lot to get me like anxious about stuff.

00:11:54.520 And I was talking to the doctor and I was saying, what should we do?

00:11:57.060 And what are the options?

00:11:57.900 And he was like, you need to not panic.

00:12:00.400 You need to not panic.

00:12:01.300 And I was not panicking.

00:12:02.900 And, um, you know, I, I laughed like those who know me, those who know anything about me

00:12:09.800 know that I can take an enormous shit storm in my life without panicking.

00:12:14.180 Once again, I swore it's still Lentz, Lord, forgive me.

00:12:17.920 Um, so I wasn't panicking, but I was, I was just saying to Abby feeling the water start

00:12:23.020 to rise.

00:12:23.740 You know what I mean?

00:12:24.720 I could feel like as the news kept coming in that the bleeding was ongoing and I'm talking

00:12:29.140 to Doug and we're trying to figure out what to do.

00:12:31.180 And it's not, there's not a clear course.

00:12:32.900 There's not a clear right course.

00:12:35.180 I could feel the water rising.

00:12:37.380 I sat down, I took a couple of deep breaths.

00:12:39.800 And just reminded myself that I had to be the parent, you know, that he was depending

00:12:45.460 on me and Doug and like, we had to make a decision and this was no time to lose this

00:12:50.580 natural skill that has served me so well.

00:12:53.560 And I was fine.

00:12:55.580 We decided to stay at the hospital.

00:12:58.340 We were in Bozeman, Montana.

00:12:59.980 And I can't say enough about the people there.

00:13:01.900 They were wonderful.

00:13:02.800 The nurses, the doctor, the PAs, everyone just treated us all so well and was so good in

00:13:09.400 their communications with us and their treatment of my son.

00:13:12.940 So we decided to stay.

00:13:14.680 I was there overnight, every night.

00:13:17.340 Doug was too.

00:13:18.180 We switched on and off a couple of nights in part because of you guys.

00:13:22.580 Because while all this was going on, we were finishing up the RFK interview, which we had

00:13:27.900 taped a few days earlier.

00:13:29.180 And we wanted it to be amazing.

00:13:31.640 We wanted it to be as close to perfect as it could be.

00:13:35.180 And we wanted to achieve the impossible.

00:13:38.040 And we did, which was we managed to air a four hour interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:13:43.260 and have it live on all platforms with no censorship.

00:13:49.400 And it stayed monetized everywhere, which was less important, but it is a feat.

00:13:54.920 And he was happy with it.

00:13:56.380 And our audience loved it.

00:13:57.840 Like, I mean, who's ever done that before?

00:14:02.300 Right?

00:14:02.680 Everyone's always getting deplatformed.

00:14:04.140 You put somebody like RFK Jr. on, which is total nonsense because he was riveting and

00:14:08.020 great.

00:14:08.460 But we did it.

00:14:10.140 And so I was coming back to our cabin where we ski and doing the sort of, you know, ins

00:14:17.120 and outs, as we call them, to that four hour show, which we split up over last Monday, Tuesday.

00:14:21.960 And I have to say here a word on my amazing team and on the importance of colleagues and

00:14:28.600 friends you can trust.

00:14:30.200 Because there was a lot of fact checking that went into the RFK interview, as you know.

00:14:34.080 And by the way, for what it's worth, he checked out on virtually everything he said.

00:14:40.680 Right?

00:14:40.860 So he's not some like disinformation machine, as people would have you believe.

00:14:44.160 There were a couple of things that we wanted to make sure the record was clear on or make

00:14:46.940 sure we offered perspective on.

00:14:49.740 But it required a lot of work on our part.

00:14:51.980 And my team just completely took the ball and ran, knowing that I was at the hospital.

00:14:56.980 I was dealing with Thatcher, Doug, too.

00:14:59.260 And so when I got back to the place where Sirius had rented me this camera and so on,

00:15:05.060 God bless Sirius, too.

00:15:06.120 They aired this thing without giving us any problem.

00:15:08.100 They were nothing but supportive.

00:15:10.600 I could just sit in the chair and do the ins and outs and get back to the hospital.

00:15:15.680 And I think the end product was excellent.

00:15:18.720 I just thought I was really proud of the interview.

00:15:20.520 I hope if you haven't listened to it, that you do.

00:15:22.960 And I hope you enjoy it, too.

00:15:24.160 Part one is all about vaccines and so on, Fauci.

00:15:26.580 And the second part has got some of that and then a lot about his personal history.

00:15:33.740 Fascinating stuff.

00:15:34.600 So my team, very proud of them and very grateful to them.

00:15:39.200 On the third day of the hospital stay, things went in the wrong direction.

00:15:44.520 And Thatcher's vitals were not doing what we wanted them to do.

00:15:47.600 His blood pressure was falling and his heart rate, his pulse was rising.

00:15:53.100 And the doctor said we might have to send him back in for another CT scan to see if the

00:15:57.980 bleeding had stopped.

00:15:58.920 That's the thing.

00:15:59.700 It's not an arm that's bleeding.

00:16:01.640 It's not like a head, even.

00:16:03.320 You can't see it.

00:16:05.200 And he was in pain.

00:16:08.780 We really didn't want to do it.

00:16:10.520 It's a lot of radiation.

00:16:11.980 And if you have to get it done, you got to get it done.

00:16:13.920 But if you can avoid it, well, he'd be better, too.

00:16:16.480 And so the doctor said, let's wait a bit before we do that and then we'll see.

00:16:19.400 And thankfully, things took a turn for the better then.

00:16:23.060 And we managed to make it through the five days.

00:16:25.900 The kid did not leave that bed for five days, which led to some very awkward and funny exchanges

00:16:31.920 when it was time to use the facilities, which he wasn't allowed to do for me, Doug, and Thatcher.

00:16:38.980 But who cares, right?

00:16:40.260 You're not even thinking about that stuff.

00:16:41.700 You're just thinking about your babe, how much you love him, how you pray everything's

00:16:47.000 going to be okay.

00:16:48.940 And, you know, we kept laughing a lot.

00:16:51.440 We got his brother and sister in for a quick visit.

00:16:54.380 God bless our nurse who made it happen, even though it may not technically have been allowed.

00:17:00.080 And made it through.

00:17:02.500 And he's okay.

00:17:03.780 He left the hospital after those six days total.

00:17:07.580 When he got out of the bed, he was like a baby deer.

00:17:10.320 You know, he was like a Bambi.

00:17:11.900 He could barely, like, step.

00:17:13.760 He lost five pounds, which, you know, he was only like 68 pounds to start.

00:17:20.080 And it wasn't until we walked out of the hospital and I hugged the nurse, Alyssa, that it finally

00:17:29.200 hit me, right?

00:17:30.600 Like, feeling it now.

00:17:31.960 You know, the amount of stress and the love that you have for your children and the fragility

00:17:40.780 of these little bodies who totally depend on you and the enormous responsibility you have

00:17:47.240 for their well-being, you know, for making huge decisions and the importance of family

00:17:54.480 and friends, right?

00:17:55.560 And good colleagues.

00:17:56.420 I had Doug.

00:17:59.040 I don't know what people who are single parenting do.

00:18:01.900 God bless you.

00:18:02.760 God bless you.

00:18:04.580 It must be so hard, you know, and I'm sure you have the feeling of loving your friends

00:18:10.440 and your family even more.

00:18:12.560 My two older, Yates and Yardley, were so delightful.

00:18:16.240 They were so supportive of Thatcher.

00:18:18.700 Kept writing him notes.

00:18:20.340 And when we got home, they had the place plastered with fun signs, like we'll put them on the

00:18:26.480 board on the YouTube.

00:18:27.280 It's been so long since we've spleen you.

00:18:31.160 Just cute moments that, you know, brought all five of us together.

00:18:35.380 And my son, Yates, gave Thatcher the greatest hug, which we caught on camera, which was just

00:18:40.320 such a lovely moment, one I will never forget.

00:18:42.880 But, um, and it left me feeling a couple of things when it was all done between the RFK

00:18:48.980 stuff, the hospital stuff.

00:18:52.320 Um, early on in the show, we had somebody on and it's a saying, I guess, but they said

00:18:56.560 something to the effect of, you know, the only thing that matters in life is within 15 feet

00:18:59.720 of you, you know, generally like your family, your friends, your closest colleagues.

00:19:05.160 And I made a decision a few years ago to make sure the things that were within 15 feet of

00:19:13.400 me were the right things, you know, meaning not Bill O'Reilly.

00:19:19.560 Um, and man, it was the right decision.

00:19:22.080 It's been a rocky road.

00:19:23.240 I'm not going to lie.

00:19:24.120 Some of the, some of the path has been pretty rocky, but now it's pretty smooth and it's

00:19:28.580 pretty glorious.

00:19:29.360 Um, and I have been able to raise my kids to be with my friends a little bit more, at

00:19:35.800 least, um, a lot more on the kids and the family to nurture my marriage.

00:19:41.060 And now I found a way to surround myself with amazing colleagues who I absolutely treasure

00:19:45.800 and who are helping me bring the show to you.

00:19:48.300 And, and in a way I feel surrounded by you, you know, like I knew I was going to tell you

00:19:54.360 the story.

00:19:54.820 I knew that the people who understand who I am would find it interesting and would understand

00:20:00.300 why I'm telling it to you.

00:20:02.100 And that's a connection that's valuable to me as well.

00:20:06.120 So thank you for being part of my 15 feet and thank you to my colleagues on the show,

00:20:12.440 uh, colleagues at Sirius as well.

00:20:15.140 Uh, and just a reminder to all of you that if you've got the wrong things there, it's not

00:20:20.380 too late for you either to change what's within that grasp and to set yourself up for success.

00:20:27.140 God forbid a tragedy should come your way, or at least a potential tragedy should come

00:20:33.400 your way.

00:20:33.960 All right.

00:20:34.240 So that's what I wanted to tell you that and my LASIK, um, and coming up, we're going to

00:20:40.020 get to the news.

00:20:41.120 Um, so Rob Amari is here and we're going to talk about Biden and that crazy Will Smith,

00:20:47.180 who also really prizes his family moment at the Oscars last night.

00:20:52.840 Don't go away.

00:21:00.840 Okay.

00:21:01.260 There's a lot of news to cover from President Biden's dangerous off script remark yet again,

00:21:06.600 that Vladimir Putin quote, cannot remain in power to Will Smith's Oscar slap heard round

00:21:12.680 the world.

00:21:13.060 It was like, is it a punch?

00:21:14.340 Is it a slap?

00:21:15.160 Right.

00:21:15.360 Did you have that?

00:21:15.900 And then you saw the replay of like Japanese TV.

00:21:17.960 It was like, it was a slap.

00:21:18.980 It was an open-ended slap joining me now to discuss it all.

00:21:22.540 And the latest on the federal investigation into Hunter Biden is Sarabh Amari founder and

00:21:28.360 editor of the brand new online magazine called compact, which we want to talk to Sarabh about

00:21:34.600 as well.

00:21:35.260 Sarabh, great to see you again.

00:21:36.700 So good to see you, Megan.

00:21:37.800 And I'm so sorry to hear about Thatcher and grateful.

00:21:40.520 It seems like things are stabilizing.

00:21:42.520 Oh, thank you so much.

00:21:43.500 You know, it is, it is a relief to be back home, you know, to be sort of just in the

00:21:48.380 area where we know all the doctors and we know exactly where to go in case there's an

00:21:51.360 emergency and he's fine though.

00:21:53.460 I mean, last night he, he played a little basketball and he was excited.

00:21:57.000 We put together, Sarabh, you, you won't be surprised to hear like a little video mashup

00:22:00.880 of, you know, cause I was his little documentarian.

00:22:03.140 So he showed it to his second grade today and I'm expecting that it really was the most

00:22:06.980 awesome share ever.

00:22:11.220 Okay.

00:22:11.680 So as a father of a son, I know you get it.

00:22:14.400 Let's start with, there's so much to talk to you about.

00:22:16.500 I mean, the Hunter Biden stuff, because obviously you having been with the post for so long,

00:22:20.240 compact, but I want to talk, I want to kick it off with Joe Biden and his latest gaffe.

00:22:24.760 I mean, how many, like he, he can't be allowed to speak to people, right?

00:22:29.200 Like the problem with letting him loose domestically is he might say something stupid.

00:22:34.420 And so the white house has to come out and clean it up.

00:22:36.160 The problem with him doing it on a much more international level is we actually could spark

00:22:41.720 world war three.

00:22:42.880 Here's the latest.

00:22:43.620 This is soundbite for Biden in Warsaw ad-libbing something about president Putin.

00:22:50.060 Of decency and dignity of freedom and possibilities for God's sake, this man cannot remain power.

00:22:57.460 So that wasn't part of the prepared remarks, by the way, neither was Chris Rock's comment on

00:23:02.740 Jada Pinkett Smith.

00:23:03.680 I think we're getting a lesson here about going off script.

00:23:07.880 And the white house has now spent, you know, the better part of the last 48 hours trying to

00:23:12.560 walk it back.

00:23:13.180 He didn't mean that he didn't mean he can't remain in power.

00:23:16.880 What he meant was he can't, um, we don't want him.

00:23:20.980 Let me read you exactly.

00:23:21.920 Actually, Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region.

00:23:28.540 What Biden said was he can't, cannot remain, remain in power.

00:23:33.200 Now they're trying to say he meant allowed to exercise it over his neighbors.

00:23:37.760 Secretary of State Blinken said basically the same, trying to clean it up.

00:23:42.120 He just meant he can't be empowered to wage war against Ukraine.

00:23:47.560 You tell me whether we should be allowing him to speak at all from this point forward on

00:23:55.820 Ukraine or anything else.

00:23:57.440 Again, you remember the time he was, uh, talking to a group of supporters and he started talking

00:24:02.720 about how the kids would rub their hands down his legs and his hairs would stand on end.

00:24:08.420 It was a really bizarre, awkward comment.

00:24:10.840 Um, and you also remember when he called just some, some construction worker who asked him

00:24:15.720 a question, he called him fat, said, listen, fat, um, that stuff is fine in the domestic

00:24:21.460 sphere.

00:24:22.000 I guess it's really not fine.

00:24:23.780 It's alarming, but it, like you said, stupid comments in the domestic sphere, um, can be

00:24:29.860 contained when you're dealing with, um, a situation with, you know, this vast Eurasian

00:24:37.100 land power, Russia that's invading its neighbors, it's a nuclear armed power, just speaking off

00:24:43.840 the cuff about regime changing Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin is extremely dangerous.

00:24:50.320 And it's, it's both what was substantively said is wrong, right?

00:24:55.260 We do not need to seek regime change against Russia.

00:24:59.020 We tried regime change wars the past 20 years against much smaller and less important countries

00:25:04.980 like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

00:25:07.200 And the result in all those cases was dangerous.

00:25:10.260 And this is where Russia we're talking about.

00:25:12.380 So it's substantively the wrong thing to say, but even if this kind of discussion is percolating

00:25:17.620 in the white house, the fact that he can't resist, um, speaking out loud as it were in

00:25:23.420 a setting as sensitive as that he's standing nearby in Warsaw, um, that he can't self-censor

00:25:29.640 or whatever it was that happened with this lapse shows you the limits of having a president that

00:25:35.920 I'm sorry to say, but he's, he's losing mental acuity and, um, is a liability for the United

00:25:42.120 States and our allies.

00:25:43.320 Look, that is a fair assessment of what's going on right now, uh, because this will be used

00:25:50.020 by Vladimir Putin, uh, to win a propaganda war against us.

00:25:54.320 Uh, it'll be played in Russia saying this is what the United States is really after.

00:25:57.860 You know, they just want to pick your leader.

00:26:00.760 They don't want you to pick your leader.

00:26:01.960 They want to pick your leader.

00:26:03.140 And that's what they claim happened in Ukraine too.

00:26:05.360 Right?

00:26:06.120 Uh, so it matters that he can't control his mouth.

00:26:09.780 It matters.

00:26:10.580 He's the president.

00:26:11.420 And this wasn't even close to the first time, including on, on Ukraine, on, on Russia.

00:26:16.620 Okay.

00:26:16.800 So I just wrote down a couple who could forget minor incursion, right?

00:26:20.360 Then he called Putin a war criminal, which was not intended.

00:26:23.720 And the white house first spent a day trying to say, oh, that's just his personal opinion.

00:26:27.360 And he's not really speaking as president, but until they were like, no, actually, okay,

00:26:32.580 we'll go with it.

00:26:33.120 He's a war criminal.

00:26:34.320 Um, then there was, cannot remain in power.

00:26:36.800 Um, then he apparently just said to our troops, speaking to our troops about, uh, Ukraine is

00:26:42.520 talking to the troops over in Poland saying, oh, the Ukrainians, they'll, they'll stand in

00:26:46.120 front of the tanks.

00:26:46.720 You'll see it when you're there.

00:26:48.140 You'll see it.

00:26:49.700 Suggesting that we're about to send American troops into, into Ukraine, which is a massive

00:26:53.700 news story.

00:26:54.260 But then the white house had to roll that back and say, no, no, no, we're not doing

00:26:57.680 that.

00:26:58.340 Um, and then he also said that we were going to respond in kind quote, respond in kind.

00:27:02.880 If Russia uses chemical weapons, meaning we're going to drop a chemical weapon.

00:27:06.900 And then the white house had to spend the next couple of days rolling that back.

00:27:09.800 We didn't, we didn't mean that we didn't mean that he, he can't control himself.

00:27:13.620 Yeah.

00:27:14.540 And you know what, now to, to speak somewhat, uh, in defense of president Biden, I will

00:27:19.340 say this, that I see he actually has a lot of good instincts on this relative to other

00:27:24.660 people in Washington.

00:27:25.960 You know, there are some really scary hawks in my mind, Kelly, uh, you know, genuine psychos

00:27:31.560 who are dreaming of regime change in Russia and things like this and, uh, are prepared to

00:27:38.120 accept really serious escalation.

00:27:40.560 Right.

00:27:40.960 And they, they are even saying like, okay, well then let's go to world war three, not

00:27:46.240 realizing the nuclear stakes.

00:27:48.320 And I will say that in terms of policy, the Biden white house has been, is more restrained

00:27:54.060 than others who, who could be in power right now.

00:27:56.980 And that's, that's a blessing because, you know, uh, the idea, for example, of imposing

00:28:02.160 a no fly zone over Ukraine, it pulls well because people, a lot of Americans and others

00:28:07.660 in Europe don't know what that means.

00:28:08.820 It means shooting down Russian planes, which would trigger world war three, uh, which would

00:28:13.480 trigger potentially a nuclear exchange.

00:28:15.580 It's really serious stuff.

00:28:16.740 And the Biden administration has resisted that, but then there is this side of it.

00:28:21.180 And I mean, it is, it must be so frustrating for his handlers.

00:28:25.020 Certainly it must be really frustrating for other world leaders.

00:28:28.580 You saw how quickly French, German, other world leaders, uh, you know, Emmanuel Macron

00:28:33.500 most sternly said, no, we don't want to pursue a policy of regime change.

00:28:37.760 This is the kind of thing that prevents deescalation because look, if you make Vladimir Putin think

00:28:42.680 like there is no other off ramps that, uh, it's his life or his ability to stay in power

00:28:47.700 that are at stake, then he'll, he'll have no incentives to act rationally and limit his goals

00:28:53.920 in Ukraine or deescalate or what have you.

00:28:56.000 So this kind of loose talk really sinks nations.

00:29:00.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:01.360 I mean, it's one thing when he's sort of saying something weird over here about smelling girls

00:29:05.080 hair and so on, it's quite another when we're looking at world war three.

00:29:09.180 So, you know, the stakes are high.

00:29:11.900 Um, okay, let's shift gears entirely, but there's a related thread, as I said, speaking

00:29:17.060 of going off script.

00:29:18.760 So normally I wouldn't be covering the Oscars because I really can't stand most of those

00:29:22.700 people and I don't watch their stupid shows.

00:29:24.600 And I, I know that they hate half the country and they hate people like me who are just not

00:29:29.980 one of their partisan hacks who, you know, is woke and submits to all of their demands.

00:29:35.100 So I really have no use for them.

00:29:36.680 And I've more and more, I don't even watch their products.

00:29:39.380 I don't, I don't watch their movies.

00:29:40.880 I just don't, but who could miss the, you know, slap heard around the world last night.

00:29:47.040 My friend, Joelle texted me.

00:29:48.160 She was like, okay, Will Smith just smacked Chris Rock.

00:29:51.220 I'm like, what?

00:29:51.740 So I looked it up on Twitter.

00:29:53.300 Chris Rock got up there and made a joke about, um, he clearly ad-libbed it.

00:29:57.680 He was introducing like best documentary.

00:29:59.400 And he said something like, oh, there's Will and Jada, Jada, you're going to be great in

00:30:04.600 GI Jane too.

00:30:05.540 And it was clearly a reference to her, her head, which she doesn't have hair.

00:30:11.200 And I don't know, I don't want to say she shaves what hair she has.

00:30:13.740 She has, uh, alopecia, which is a condition that causes your hair to fall out.

00:30:17.680 By the way, she rocks the bald head.

00:30:19.760 Jada Pinkett Smith is an example in class and beauty.

00:30:24.760 Um, nobody else could look as good as she looks.

00:30:27.160 She's just, she can do anything.

00:30:29.060 So she's sitting there looking glamorous and gorgeous, but he made a comment about it.

00:30:33.720 And I don't know that Chris Rock knows she suffers from alopecia.

00:30:36.220 She has gone public with it.

00:30:37.800 I've interviewed her a few times.

00:30:39.660 She's public with it.

00:30:41.060 Um, but that doesn't mean Chris Rock knows that.

00:30:43.680 I don't know what magazine Chris Rock is reading.

00:30:46.160 He's probably a pretty busy guy.

00:30:48.020 So he made a comment about how she's going to be great in the next GI Jane too, you know,

00:30:52.620 which is Demi Moore shaped her head for that first film.

00:30:56.360 Chris, Will Smith laughed initially, but Jada immediately was sort of shaking her head.

00:31:02.440 She, in a classy way, was sort of showing him, I don't like that, but she wasn't going to

00:31:07.100 make a big thing about it.

00:31:08.160 But the husband changed his mind and did decide he was offended, or at least saw she was upset,

00:31:13.080 decided to defend his lady, got up on the Oscar stage and smacked Chris Rock.

00:31:20.100 And then when he went back down to the stands, the seats, said, basically, don't effing talk

00:31:27.340 about my wife.

00:31:28.060 Get my wife's name out of your effing mouth.

00:31:31.520 Here's the clip.

00:31:32.440 Jada, I love you.

00:31:34.420 G.I. Jane 2.

00:31:35.480 Can't wait to see it.

00:31:36.520 All right?

00:31:43.040 It's Jealousy.

00:31:44.020 That was a nice one.

00:31:45.080 Okay.

00:31:46.020 I'm out here.

00:31:47.340 Uh-oh.

00:31:48.040 Richard.

00:31:52.300 Oh, wow.

00:31:54.620 Wow.

00:31:55.100 Will Smith just smacked the s**t out of me.

00:32:01.220 Keep my wife's name out of your f**king mouth.

00:32:05.800 Wow, dude.

00:32:07.480 Yes.

00:32:08.020 It was a G.I.

00:32:09.300 Jane joke.

00:32:10.080 Keep my wife's name out of your f**king mouth.

00:32:14.920 I'm going to, okay?

00:32:18.740 So I can, oh, okay.

00:32:22.680 That was a greatest night in the history of television.

00:32:26.860 Okay.

00:32:27.080 What do you make of it, Saurabh?

00:32:31.620 There's a lot of opinions on this today.

00:32:33.140 So first of all, my take is that I grew up watching the 90s Oscars.

00:32:39.800 Those were the truly kind of last halcyon days of Hollywood.

00:32:43.980 And Will Smith was just kind of this figure of the wholesome 1990s that I remember.

00:32:48.980 So from my point of view, first of all, there's this loss, this sense of loss 20 years later

00:32:54.240 where everything has somewhat darkened.

00:32:56.400 You know, American power has declined relatively.

00:32:58.820 We've gone through 9-11 and the Great Recession and COVID and, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:04.200 And our celebrities, the wholesome celebrities of the 90s have somehow gone down, have declined

00:33:09.820 along with that.

00:33:11.300 So there's this kind of poignancy about whatever that was that transpired.

00:33:16.500 Um, the second thought is there's something very 19th century about this.

00:33:20.420 I don't think people have commented on this or maybe say late 18th century where someone,

00:33:24.240 you know, instalted your lady, you, you stood up and you slapped him and then you had to

00:33:28.580 duel, you know, it was, uh, the slap was a, the beginning of this code of honor kind of

00:33:33.340 thing where you went out and duel that there was some elements of a, except, I mean, I mean,

00:33:36.800 the, the vulgarity afterward wouldn't, you wouldn't, you wouldn't see that in a Russian

00:33:40.400 tea room, but the, the slapping and the prelude to a duel, I guess it's better, better

00:33:45.780 off now that men don't resolve these kinds of differences with, with pistols.

00:33:50.460 So that, that would have been a ratings getter.

00:33:54.040 Um, the, by the way, the ratings have been tanking steadily for the Oscars for the past,

00:33:58.540 I don't know, 20 years.

00:33:59.720 It used to get like 40 million viewers last year.

00:34:02.200 They got 10 million.

00:34:03.780 I imagine last night's numbers will go up because people heard about it and turned on,

00:34:08.020 um, the show to see Will Smith smacking Chris Rock.

00:34:12.660 I'll tell you, I have a couple of thoughts on it.

00:34:14.540 I mean, I've been sort of wrestling to figure out how I feel.

00:34:17.200 It was like, it wasn't immediately apparent to me how I felt about it other than, wow,

00:34:20.400 that's shocking.

00:34:21.580 Um, in the end, I understand Will Smith wanting to, to defend his wife.

00:34:25.820 Um, that wasn't the way to do it.

00:34:28.340 Uh, you know, I think he would have looked stronger and I think he was looking for an

00:34:33.820 opportunity to look strong that to me, that looked like a man trying to look strong,

00:34:38.340 not necessarily being strong.

00:34:40.980 Uh, and I think he would have looked stronger had he scowled and dealt with it after the

00:34:48.820 show directly, man to man, as opposed to like making a spectacle out of himself in the moment,

00:34:54.900 which to me just seemed almost needy in its demand for attention.

00:35:00.380 That, that was how I felt like I'm looking at, I'm thinking, and I, and I love Will and

00:35:05.180 Jada, I'm not like, I'm rooting for them.

00:35:07.320 I love her in particular, but, um, I thought it was a bit of a performance on his part.

00:35:13.800 I think it came across, I don't think it was planned, but I think it was a bit of a performance

00:35:17.380 and I think he would have been better served if he had gone the classy road that his wife

00:35:23.160 always goes.

00:35:24.960 Make the face, move on, you know, you're Jada and Will.

00:35:29.480 Well, you don't need to like respond to every stupid ass joke.

00:35:33.920 Uh, and Chris Rock, I don't know whether he knew or he didn't know, but he has taken a

00:35:37.140 few shots at Jada Pinkett Smith.

00:35:38.520 He took one at the Oscars, I guess in 2016, she didn't go cause she didn't think it was,

00:35:43.200 I don't know, diverse.

00:35:44.620 Maybe that might've been Oscar.

00:35:45.700 So white, I can't remember.

00:35:47.440 Um, and he basically said, Oh, her not coming to the Oscars is like me not going into Rihanna's

00:35:51.500 underwear.

00:35:52.360 We weren't invited.

00:35:54.840 Okay.

00:35:55.340 That's kind of fun.

00:35:56.280 If you're a public figure, they're going to take shots at you.

00:35:58.180 So that, that one's kind of funny.

00:35:59.380 I don't know the history.

00:36:01.140 Um, but I do know that all those celebrities who stood and clap for him when he went on

00:36:06.040 to win best Oscar, best, best actor, the Oscar for it and surrounded him and cheered him.

00:36:12.720 So Rob at the after parties would have been having a very different reaction to him if he

00:36:18.840 had been white and Chris Rock had just remained Chris Rock.

00:36:22.820 I do think there was some level of past given, and I don't totally understand why.

00:36:28.180 I have to bring this up because it's huge on the internet.

00:36:32.820 It was huge on the internet when I was looking at this, uh, in real time last night, Megan,

00:36:36.500 I was that, um, aside from that issue, which a lot of people commented on, I don't know

00:36:42.660 where I stand on it because I think I saw a lot of condemnations online too, but, um,

00:36:47.680 that it was staged.

00:36:48.680 It was, it was, this was the Academy's desperate effort to revive its ratings.

00:36:53.400 I don't think it was, especially now.

00:36:55.500 I mean, I watched the, you know, versions early on that were appearing over and over

00:36:59.900 on Twitter, but when you just played it with the full sound on, on the big screen here,

00:37:04.320 it was like, that that's 100% real.

00:37:07.160 Um, it was just, it's a human moment.

00:37:10.180 It was the very human moment and, and too raw to be faked.

00:37:13.720 Um, and I mean, I thought it was, it was a good outcome.

00:37:17.860 It sounds like, um, Chris Rock is not pressing charges.

00:37:20.840 So it certainly there was like no case for prosecution once, once the victim declines to

00:37:26.620 press charges.

00:37:27.480 But, um, yeah, I mean, it's just such a, such a raw moment that there's no way we should

00:37:34.040 settle this, at least for people on the internet, that there's no way that was fake.

00:37:37.240 That was very, well, apparently my favorite story about it is apparently Denzel Washington

00:37:41.440 went up to Will Smith after the fact, or like he was like comforting him after the moment.

00:37:45.380 And, uh, by the way, who is Chris Rock's comforter?

00:37:47.680 Cause he was the one who needed to be comforted.

00:37:49.620 I, I do feel for the guy.

00:37:51.380 I'm sure it was humiliating as a man.

00:37:53.900 No man wants to, you know, be treated that way on the national stage or on any stage.

00:38:00.060 But I mean, it had the extra element of a humiliation for Chris Rock.

00:38:03.420 And that's unfortunate.

00:38:04.560 My, my heart goes out to him on that.

00:38:06.240 Um, but anyway, Denzel Washington apparently said to Will Smith, something like, um, it's

00:38:11.080 at your highest moment that the devil comes to get you.

00:38:13.480 Oh, I love that.

00:38:14.700 I'm like note to self make friends with Denzel Washington, however necessary.

00:38:19.660 That's good advice.

00:38:21.100 I like that.

00:38:21.940 That's actually true.

00:38:23.260 Right.

00:38:23.580 Have you, I feel like I've experienced that in my own life and I've never heard the saying.

00:38:28.480 Uh, it was pretty good.

00:38:29.600 Okay.

00:38:29.880 So here's Will Smith accepting cause he later would go on to win best actor.

00:38:34.120 And the, the moment, I don't know, the audience will decide whether it was tarred by that earlier

00:38:39.300 exchange, whether it was enhanced by the earlier exchange, but clearly he was making a reference

00:38:43.180 to what had happened earlier.

00:38:44.860 Here's part of Will Smith's acceptance speech.

00:38:47.100 Richard Williams, um, was a fierce defender of his family.

00:38:59.680 To do what we do, you gotta be able to take abuse.

00:39:06.900 You gotta be able to have people talk crazy about you.

00:39:10.220 In this business, you gotta be able to have people disrespecting you.

00:39:17.940 And you gotta smile and you gotta pretend like that's okay.

00:39:21.960 I wanna apologize to the academy.

00:39:24.220 I wanna apologize to my, all my fellow nominees.

00:39:27.420 This is a beautiful moment and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not crying for winning an award.

00:39:46.060 It's not, it's not about winning an award for me.

00:39:48.800 It's about being able to shine a light on all of the people.

00:39:55.440 Art imitates life.

00:39:56.640 I look like the crazy father, just like they said.

00:40:00.340 I look like crazy father, just like they said about Richard Williams.

00:40:04.640 Um, but love will make you do crazy things.

00:40:10.240 Art imitates, I think what he meant was life imitates art.

00:40:12.920 Um, but yeah, he won for playing the father of Venus and Serena, uh, who, yeah, he was making

00:40:18.500 the point that he was portrayed as nuts, uh, in, in, you know, by the media and that he

00:40:24.780 was feeling a bit of that himself.

00:40:26.080 Look, I get that celebrities are normal people.

00:40:28.320 They really are.

00:40:28.880 They're just like you and me.

00:40:29.940 Like they, I'm sure it does hurt to see his wife attack, to be attacked.

00:40:34.580 There's an article about their marriage in the papers, like every week talking about,

00:40:39.240 uh, is he gay?

00:40:40.880 Is it open really?

00:40:42.040 Like what, whatever, all the speculation, it's annoying, but I would say people in his

00:40:48.080 position need to remember when they go up there, there are people in the world with real

00:40:52.160 problems, record inflation, they're losing their jobs.

00:40:56.500 The mandate of the vaccine has cost a lot of people a lot.

00:40:59.340 People have lost loved ones to COVID so on and so forth.

00:41:01.600 When you're in the position of Will Smith and you go up there and you have a few moments

00:41:04.960 with that microphone, you need to remember that and them and not your own personal suffering

00:41:13.100 that really what you're saying is people say nasty things about you.

00:41:16.740 Like the average American doesn't give a damn.

00:41:19.880 They have actual problems that they need to worry about.

00:41:24.840 Yeah.

00:41:25.420 I go back to, uh, Denzel Washington.

00:41:28.200 I saw last night as part of the coverage of this, that he says he reads the Bible every

00:41:32.160 day and, um, you know, the Bible is, is full of warnings against being rash, being reckless.

00:41:39.840 And that's it.

00:41:41.200 Like you said, the devil gets you at those moments.

00:41:43.520 It's, I mean, as a Christian, it's certainly part of my tradition.

00:41:46.620 Like you work so hard, you actually have achieved something that night.

00:41:50.600 But if you're, if you're not watching out, uh, over, over your own kind of base or passions

00:41:56.700 and you're not controlling them, you can, you can kind of ruin a moment like that.

00:42:00.640 I'm sure he doesn't, he didn't want to be up there having just won, you know, a pinnacle

00:42:04.540 award in his profession tainted, as you said, by this kind of, um, tawdry drama.

00:42:10.960 So I don't know.

00:42:12.380 I'm, I'm with Denzel, but, uh, it's easier said than done.

00:42:15.740 Yeah.

00:42:15.920 You got to follow Jada, follow Jada's example, take the high road.

00:42:18.860 It never served anybody poorly.

00:42:21.120 Um, okay.

00:42:21.740 So moving on, can we talk about compact for a minute?

00:42:24.320 Because this is big, you know, we, I do want to ask you about the Hunter Biden thing since

00:42:28.280 the post has now been proven right by the New York times.

00:42:30.380 Don't you kind of hate that?

00:42:31.640 It's like, well, we knew the post was right.

00:42:33.260 We don't need the New York times to finally acknowledge it on page 20 of their a section

00:42:38.600 in a, in the 23rd paragraph of this in-depth report for it to be true.

00:42:43.980 Right.

00:42:44.420 But the mainstream, the left, they need the New York times to say it before they can acknowledge

00:42:49.020 it's true.

00:42:49.500 And there's been no mea culpa by the New York times or Twitter, which censored the New

00:42:53.840 York posts reporting, uh, in advance of the, okay.

00:42:56.900 So you were at the post for all that happened, but now you're forming compact.

00:42:59.620 I want to get to compact and I want to get to a hundred, a hundred Biden.

00:43:01.860 So what's compact.

00:43:04.700 Um, so compact is a new web magazine, um, co-founded by three people, uh, two of us,

00:43:11.660 me and, uh, Matthew Schmitz are of the right, but we have the third partner, Edwin Aponte,

00:43:17.180 who's of the left.

00:43:18.360 Um, but we think we can come together to offer a compelling journalistic critique of, of the

00:43:25.300 American overclass.

00:43:26.560 These are the people who, um, uh, got us into 20 years of fruitless, um, and bloody wars

00:43:32.740 in the Middle East and North Africa that cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

00:43:35.800 These are the people who, um, have paid no price for the great recession.

00:43:40.880 Um, and then again, for the, you know, jobs and small businesses, destroying lockdowns that,

00:43:46.640 um, you know, uh, caused, uh, Jeff Bezos, his wallet to swell and lots of other oligarchic

00:43:53.740 type figures here in the West to do well as a result of the lockdowns, but ordinary Americans

00:43:58.780 lost their jobs and lost their small businesses.

00:44:00.520 So we think there is an opportunity to be had, not a kind of left and right come together

00:44:06.300 to meet at the middle, but left and right using their different lenses to shine lights

00:44:12.120 on, um, you know, the failings, the corruption of our, of our ruling class.

00:44:17.280 Um, and you mentioned, we can tie it into the Hunter Biden story.

00:44:20.940 That's, that's another example of, um, every institution that was supposed to stand for

00:44:28.020 truth in a Democrat, in a crucial democratic election actually silenced the truth.

00:44:33.640 The New York post where I was working at the time, as you said, put out this report, I was

00:44:38.020 helping run the opinion pages.

00:44:39.480 I wasn't involved in the actual reporting of the Hunter files, but I knew that we had

00:44:43.960 done right by this story.

00:44:45.140 And it was more solid than lots and lots of other similar stories that had appeared, anti-Trump

00:44:51.060 stories that never got censored.

00:44:52.880 But in this case, big tech teamed up with the kind of blue check media, which in turn teamed

00:44:58.780 up with, you know, deep state figures, former intelligence officials to all claim this was

00:45:03.800 Russian disinformation.

00:45:04.580 And so as a result, um, light was not shined on the Biden family's corruption.

00:45:10.540 And especially, um, you know, we're talking about Ukraine now, this involved Hunter getting

00:45:15.540 paid $80,000 a month by a Ukrainian energy firm to help set up meetings between his father,

00:45:21.100 who was then vice president and executives of that firm.

00:45:24.080 This was a solid story.

00:45:25.480 Um, and yet we have a ruling class that it uses power.

00:45:29.280 And this is the crucial thing for compact, um, that a lot of the power that, um, oppresses

00:45:35.740 us nowadays, a lot of the coercion we face doesn't necessarily come from the government.

00:45:40.440 It's often from corporate power.

00:45:42.480 It's private power.

00:45:43.560 And conservatives, especially have lost sight of the possibility that large corporations

00:45:47.800 can threaten, um, uh, our freedoms just as much as government can.

00:45:53.300 So we're trying to, you know, uh, shed light on that and, uh, be as, as aware of private

00:46:01.020 abuses of power, monopoly power in power in the employment employee relationship, big tech

00:46:07.340 power, as we are of governmental abuses.

00:46:10.660 The, uh, Babylon Bee has been suppressed now for days because they sent out a tweet on the

00:46:18.220 trans issue that Twitter didn't like, but they're brilliant.

00:46:21.040 And one of the things that they tweeted out prior to getting shut down was nation wishes

00:46:25.280 there were some way they could have known about the Hunter Biden laptop story before the

00:46:29.060 election.

00:46:30.120 It's like, like the left is finally talking about it now that it's safe.

00:46:34.900 Now that he's in office, they can say, oh, you know, just needed to be verified.

00:46:38.600 That's all we just had to make sure.

00:46:40.860 Meanwhile, you've got people like James Clapper still holding on at the time we wrote that

00:46:46.440 let at the time our caution was warranted and people have moved on.

00:46:50.800 They know they're being lied to by those folks.

00:46:52.600 I think you're absolutely right.

00:46:53.980 I think the classism that's infected media is as pernicious, if not more than just the

00:47:00.880 leftist bias, the classism that has taken over, you know, the Don Lemons of the world

00:47:05.600 who just can't see regular people the way they must in order to be effective journalists.

00:47:12.880 So I love, love, love this idea.

00:47:15.520 How can people get it?

00:47:16.300 It's just like, what do they, what do they do?

00:47:17.760 So they can visit it at www.compactmag.com.

00:47:23.420 And right now we're offering all our content for free.

00:47:27.040 At some point we'll have to impose a paywall, but readers right now can access all of it

00:47:31.740 for free and get a taste of it and then hopefully subscribe.

00:47:36.140 It's going to be a huge success.

00:47:37.740 I can feel it in my bones.

00:47:39.840 So, Rav, great to have you.

00:47:40.760 Good luck with it.

00:47:41.540 Thank you, Megan.

00:47:42.580 All right.

00:47:42.860 See you soon.

00:47:43.760 All right.

00:47:43.980 Coming up, we're going to have Emily Jaschinski back from The Federalist as well as Eliana

00:47:49.200 Johnson.

00:47:49.800 I'm not squinting my eyes because I don't like Eliana.

00:47:52.240 I can't read anything.

00:47:53.800 I need my glasses.

00:47:54.620 I'm going to put them on.

00:47:55.840 Coming back, our culture warriors to talk about everything.

00:48:00.380 Love them.

00:48:00.960 Don't, don't go away.

00:48:07.020 What is happening at Yale Law School?

00:48:08.940 They're even more annoying than you thought.

00:48:10.920 We'll get to that in a minute.

00:48:11.700 But first, the award for the most woke night in television goes, as usual, to the Oscars.

00:48:17.360 Despite their attempts to un-woke-ify it because of terrible, terrible ratings, they went woke

00:48:23.760 again.

00:48:24.600 Emily Jaschinski is the culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist Radio

00:48:29.100 Hour.

00:48:29.920 And Eliana Johnson is editor-in-chief of The Washington Free Beacon and co-host of Ink Stained

00:48:35.360 Wretches, along with our pal Chris Dyerwald.

00:48:38.260 Welcome, Emelina.

00:48:39.060 Eliana, good to have you back.

00:48:40.260 Hey, Megan.

00:48:40.620 Thanks for having us.

00:48:41.900 It's great to have you.

00:48:42.700 Okay.

00:48:42.980 So, I just want to give the audience a quick update because a lot of people write in and

00:48:47.360 ask about my dumb dog, Stredwick.

00:48:48.840 I love him.

00:48:49.660 He's adorable.

00:48:50.600 He's the worst dog.

00:48:52.160 He's a very cute puppy.

00:48:54.580 But can I just tell you, I just got an update from downstairs where I do my show from home.

00:48:58.840 Stredwick just took a dump in the TV room.

00:49:01.300 The dog won't learn.

00:49:04.200 He won't learn.

00:49:05.540 Just this morning, the people know, he jumps up and he eats the food right off of our counter

00:49:09.940 as I'm like serving it to my kids, literally about to hand the two pieces of toast and the

00:49:14.720 scrambled eggs on top of it to my kid.

00:49:17.000 And the dog ate it.

00:49:19.000 He jumped up.

00:49:19.500 I was pulling the toast out of his mouth so he didn't get the reward.

00:49:22.900 And everybody's like, put him on a leash.

00:49:24.400 Well, that doesn't stop him.

00:49:26.160 Put him in a crate.

00:49:27.140 Well, he never shuts up.

00:49:28.120 He barks the whole morning.

00:49:29.460 I put him outside.

00:49:30.540 He barks.

00:49:31.220 He wakes up the whole day.

00:49:32.040 I don't know what to do.

00:49:33.460 OK, sorry, ladies.

00:49:34.500 Sorry.

00:49:35.620 Eliana has an infant.

00:49:36.920 So I think I was going to say, I think my sister downstairs babysitting my daughter.

00:49:42.860 And I think I'm about to get the same update.

00:49:45.400 Well, I hope it's easier to clean up than the mess I'm looking at after this show.

00:49:51.220 OK, I left it off just a little bit with Saurabh on Oscars.

00:49:55.740 And you guys have got to have thoughts on the slap heard around the world.

00:49:58.500 Who wants to take it?

00:49:59.540 I mean, I can jump in.

00:50:00.480 I think it was.

00:50:01.120 I mean, this was this was wild because we don't have as many A-list celebrities as we

00:50:06.120 used to.

00:50:06.560 We don't have so many like Will Smiths in the younger generation because Hollywood has

00:50:10.340 stopped making movies that are mass palatable, right, that everyone can watch and everyone

00:50:14.600 can enjoy because Hollywood doesn't know how to do that anymore.

00:50:17.600 And their financial incentives aren't over there anymore.

00:50:20.180 So you have Chris Rock and Will Smith.

00:50:22.040 These are like two bona fide A-listers.

00:50:25.140 And that's kind of what the Oscars has been missing is we just don't have these old stars.

00:50:30.800 Like we used to.

00:50:31.800 And so I think that made this extra crazy.

00:50:35.120 And I actually think, you know, the conversation that Will Smith had when he won his award, which

00:50:40.360 he completely deserved.

00:50:41.340 That was the best performance of the year.

00:50:43.620 I thought he handled it really well.

00:50:45.860 I was ready to, you know, the takes were like spinning in my head.

00:50:49.480 But then when he got up there and, you know, I'm not a huge Will Smith fan, but he was so

00:50:55.260 eloquent and sincere.

00:50:57.280 And I thought it was a sort of a clinic in masculinity, right?

00:51:00.740 Like he let himself he let his his sort of calm get away from himself in that difficult

00:51:07.520 moment.

00:51:07.920 And then he came and apologized.

00:51:10.000 And if Hollywood is going to err in one direction, rather it be, you know, husbands defending

00:51:15.000 their wives than being disloyal to them.

00:51:17.600 So it was almost refreshing.

00:51:18.900 But let me ask you this.

00:51:19.620 OK, because I was saying so, Rob, I thought and I love Will and Jada, but I thought he

00:51:24.680 made that moment about himself.

00:51:25.820 I didn't think it was a clinic in masculinity.

00:51:27.160 I thought it was a clinic in ego.

00:51:29.200 I thought he saw an opportunity to look like the tough defender.

00:51:32.660 And he does love Jada.

00:51:34.040 I have no doubt of that.

00:51:35.280 But like, I thought he made that moment about himself more so than about Jada, which I did

00:51:42.280 not think was what a real man does in that kind of situation.

00:51:46.800 But that's that was my takeaway.

00:51:48.900 What did you think, Eliana?

00:51:50.440 Yeah, I'm kind of team Chris on this in that if if anybody ever punches me in the face or

00:51:57.680 slaps me in the face in public, I hope to take it like Chris Rock.

00:52:01.140 I just could not believe he maintained his composure and kept a smile on his face during

00:52:06.640 all of that.

00:52:07.260 That was like serious professionalism.

00:52:11.780 And I don't know.

00:52:13.160 I don't have strong views on this.

00:52:15.000 I thought the the whole drama happening on national television on stage was kind of demonstrates

00:52:23.180 why nobody really cares about Hollywood and the Oscars anymore.

00:52:26.740 And that like this is not what people want their children watching.

00:52:29.920 And I hadn't seen really any of the movies last night.

00:52:35.620 Not that like I'm a reflection of the tastes of America.

00:52:38.380 But but, you know, I look when I was a kid, Forrest Gump was on TV not to age myself.

00:52:43.480 And and I just feel like this is not like these people have gotten like really far afield

00:52:49.840 from, you know, whatever the tastes of average people.

00:52:53.560 Yeah, absolutely.

00:52:55.000 Well, the the three women who opened the ceremony, and I guess they were the hosts of it.

00:53:00.080 Again, I literally watched not one moment.

00:53:01.840 I only watched the Twitter highlight of the of the slap at me, too.

00:53:06.180 I don't even know these women.

00:53:07.340 I think I know Amy Schumer.

00:53:08.880 I don't know.

00:53:09.580 I don't know these stars anymore.

00:53:11.560 But they opened it up.

00:53:13.360 And all I heard was woke, woke, woke if I woke.

00:53:16.360 Here's here's a clip.

00:53:17.600 This year, the Academy hired three women to host because it's cheaper than hiring one man.

00:53:26.880 But I'm still excited to be hosting, representing black women who are standing proud.

00:53:36.400 Yes, and I'm living out loud.

00:53:39.520 Yes, yes, yes.

00:53:41.560 And I am representing unbearable white women who call the cops when you get a little too loud.

00:53:48.180 You know, this year we saw a frightening display of how toxic masculinity turns into cruelty towards women and children.

00:53:57.140 Damn that, Mitch McConnell.

00:53:59.060 I know.

00:53:59.800 I know.

00:54:00.980 But, you know, I was actually talking about the power of the dog.

00:54:04.220 Oh, yes.

00:54:07.180 We're going to have a great night tonight.

00:54:10.160 And for you people in Florida, we're going to have a gay night.

00:54:14.000 Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.

00:54:21.900 My Lord.

00:54:22.700 Okay.

00:54:22.960 So in that one little bit, rip on men, rip on white women, rip on Mitch McConnell, Republicans,

00:54:29.720 and rip on the don't say gay, quote unquote, don't say gay bill in Florida,

00:54:34.040 which is a total misrepresentation of what it actually is. So basically, rip on parents'

00:54:38.880 rights. And they actually think that they're going to drive their numbers up with the people

00:54:42.720 who no longer watch them? Who? Who? Yeah. I mean, as if we don't get enough of this,

00:54:48.100 if you turn on cable news, this is just like nothing that we can't get elsewhere. Why tune

00:54:52.540 in for this? It's also like really rich to to hear three multimillionaires making a joke about how

00:55:02.120 women have less earning power than than men. These women who have been so extraordinarily

00:55:08.220 successful and not in the least held back by their gender. I think it was Kyle Smith writing

00:55:13.960 at National Review who said something like Amy Schumer makes like twelve million dollars a

00:55:18.960 movie, which is one million for every person who finds her funny. Like, come on. It wasn't even

00:55:26.220 funny, like the way they were delivering the lines. By the way, I do know those women. Regina Hall

00:55:31.400 is definitely wearing the same dress that I wore to prom 1987. We'll lay it in the YouTube so I can

00:55:35.900 prove it to you. There's a pink dress and I'm telling you she got it. My mom sold mine at the

00:55:40.140 garage sale and I never found out where it went. I said, Mom, don't sell my prom dress. The next thing

00:55:45.080 I know, all you can grab for a dollar. It was gone. I'm not saying that she had it, but it inspired

00:55:50.220 somebody because it came back in full fashion this year. But it wasn't even funny. Right. So it's like

00:55:54.800 they hate Republicans. They're going to misrepresent things like the don't say gay bill, which we've heard

00:55:58.220 way too many misrepresentations about. And how is this going to drive the numbers up from 10 million

00:56:03.400 back to 40? Well, you know, what comes to mind is in the Michael Jordan documentary that was

00:56:08.660 fantastic. I guess it was like two years ago now. He he would not get into politics and he said

00:56:16.300 Republicans buy shoes, too. And, you know, in this case, it's Republicans watch movies, too.

00:56:21.840 And they're driving them away. I don't know if anybody's watching these movies.

00:56:24.920 That's that's what's so interesting about all of this. And I wrote about this in the Federalist

00:56:29.580 this morning. It's that like Hollywood and Stephen Colbert, like why is Stephen Colbert

00:56:33.420 the most popular host in late night? Because he's decided to go all in on a niche when you

00:56:38.940 don't need to get Johnny Carson's numbers to be the top host late night. You need he needs

00:56:43.120 like three or four million viewers as opposed to 15 million. And so he's going to sit down,

00:56:47.940 have his writers ask, ask not what is going to make America laugh tonight, but what is going

00:56:52.200 to make resistance boomers laugh tonight? And so if you can get that same small group

00:56:56.620 tuning in reliably, then you can corner the market and be the top host. And I think the

00:57:02.480 Oscars is going in a similar direction, but movies in general are going in a similar direction

00:57:07.280 that they're more for niche audiences, which creates this vicious cycle where it's like Hollywood

00:57:11.880 has no idea what unites the country anymore because they're just going to be smaller and

00:57:16.640 smaller audiences. So they don't even know how to make movies that Republicans would want

00:57:21.300 to watch. I mean, people kind of have to watch what they put out if they want to watch movies.

00:57:25.420 But the movies are in and of themselves appealing less to what brings us together as human beings

00:57:30.880 or as Americans, and more to what brings us together in these very small niche groups,

00:57:36.180 which makes the Oscars a really difficult thing to produce, period. But it sounded like middle

00:57:40.680 schoolers were writing their jokes, which is what Colbert's show sounds like every night.

00:57:44.740 It's so true.

00:57:45.280 And this is kind of why.

00:57:46.240 And by the way, there's a reason why now he's gotten beaten many nights by Greg Gutfeld

00:57:51.600 and his late show over at Fox for very good reason. Greg is genuinely funny. And he appeals

00:57:58.000 to more than just the far left. The right loves him and the center loves him. And it's embarrassing

00:58:02.740 for these folks who are on the free TV channels, the ones you get if you just buy a television

00:58:07.540 plug it in to be getting beaten by Greg, who's on a cable service that you have to pay for. But that's

00:58:15.600 that's the American people telling the populace what they want. And yet the people who own these

00:58:21.700 distribution companies, they don't they don't listen. I mean, look what's happening right now

00:58:25.460 with Disney, how it's completely caved. Disney owns ABC. ABC broadcast the Oscars. Disney is now

00:58:31.700 basically in the full fetal position on this don't say gay bill. Again, I hate to refer to it as that

00:58:36.860 because you can say gay. It's absurd. That's not what the law is. It's basically saying you sex

00:58:42.640 ed education and transgender education doesn't need to begin with the little ones under grade

00:58:48.840 three and even above grade three. It should be age appropriate. That's what the Florida bill says.

00:58:54.680 That's it. It doesn't say you can't say gay. And if you want to teach your kid about gay and lesbian

00:58:58.780 like we did in our house, you do it at home. Two of my best friends are lesbians. They're married.

00:59:04.100 We talked all about it. You know how we had him over for dinner. Like, hey, what's the deal there?

00:59:09.680 Well, women can get married, too. What? Who needs the school? Like the teacher doesn't say it. My

00:59:15.900 kid. How am I getting every no? Right. Like, who are they kidding? They're just using it as a wedge

00:59:20.280 issue. I read through the bill this morning when it was when it was on the list of topics. And yeah,

00:59:25.840 the don't say gay branding is really a testament to the victory of the opposition here. And I've seen

00:59:31.840 critics, including in The New York Times, say, you know, teachers can't mention the word. And how is

00:59:38.740 anybody going to talk about these issues at all? But you're right. The bulk of the bill is actually

00:59:44.340 about parental notification, not even about classroom instruction. And the part about classroom

00:59:48.960 instruction pertains to lessons in K to three. And reading through the bill, what did jump out to me

00:59:56.320 was just the distortions in the public discourse about this bill? It's it is. It's incredibly

01:00:02.220 shocking. And it does speak to why why folks do not trust the media anymore. Yeah, it's been

01:00:08.220 unbelievable. I mean, they've used the label. Yeah, they've yeah, they've used it. And it's insane.

01:00:15.000 And I do. I actually think some of the language of the bill is overly broad. But the idea that it's

01:00:18.880 going to be enforced in a way that if somebody says gay in a classroom, they are breaking the law is

01:00:24.280 also insane. And the idea that the media perpetuated that disinformation, the same media that

01:00:29.960 polices all of the other disinformation or information they deem disinformation has been

01:00:35.360 spreading outright disinformation on a huge narrative is completely insane. And it should be,

01:00:42.180 you know, if anyone needs to put a nail in the coffin of the so-called mainstream media or the legacy

01:00:47.560 media, this should be it. They told you no matter what you think about this, they were giving you

01:00:52.080 completely false information. And it just shows how like, when the public actually needs to rely

01:00:57.000 on the media as the gateway into our government, you can't anymore. It's maybe not functioning in

01:01:02.320 that. Maybe like a year from now, on page 20 of the able a section of the New York Times in the 23rd

01:01:07.620 paragraph, we'll get an update saying, by the way, that that wasn't about not saying gay, and no

01:01:12.220 apology, and no acknowledgement of one's error. And that's the thing that's so irritating about the

01:01:17.060 Hunter Biden story. Like we knew we didn't need the New York Times to finally come around to the

01:01:20.940 truth that this is a thing. It was Hunter's laptop. It wasn't Russian disinformation. And he is a hot

01:01:27.060 mess in ways that are deeply problematic, potentially even for his dad in terms of

01:01:31.520 conflicts of interest and, you know, money laundering. There's all sorts of investigations

01:01:35.960 going on right now into Hunter Biden and what he did and didn't do. We didn't need the New York

01:01:39.780 Times. What's so annoying about it is there's no acknowledgement. Where's Twitter's apology to the

01:01:43.640 New York Post, right? Where like Politico and all of its reporting about, you know, what this meant and

01:01:48.460 what how disinformation this was, what what the Post was reporting? Where's the acknowledgement

01:01:52.960 that no, they won't?

01:01:54.580 The Politico reporter was promoted, not promoted, but she went to CNN and got a great job there.

01:02:00.600 Oh, is that? What's her name?

01:02:03.580 Natasha Buston.

01:02:04.520 Oh, yeah. She was used the worst on Russiagate. The worst.

01:02:07.340 Yes, exactly. Exactly. You get rewarded. You fail up.

01:02:11.840 Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's the incentive. Go ahead, Eliana. What were you gonna say?

01:02:15.340 And, you know, Chris Starwell and I talk about this all the time on our podcast that I'm with

01:02:19.860 you. What drives me insane about this is there is zero accountability in the mainstream media.

01:02:25.620 You know, I'm sure we can all understand making a mistake. Everybody gets things wrong in the

01:02:31.580 mainstream media. There is no penalty for making these sorts of mistakes. And in fact, as Emily said,

01:02:37.320 you get rewarded for peddling the false narratives. You get promotions. You get more airtime.

01:02:43.220 You get more success in your career. All the incentives are backwards.

01:02:49.320 Before we move off the celebrity beat, can we talk about Kanye and Kim? Okay, Emily, I know that

01:02:55.180 you wrote something about this and I was into it. So Kanye and Kim, I don't know if the divorce is

01:03:02.080 final, but they're definitely getting a divorce. And she's hooked up with Pete Davidson. Don't

01:03:07.260 understand the phenomenon. I see it. Every single beautiful woman in Hollywood has had an affair with

01:03:12.840 this guy. I don't get it. But they have. And he's and he just bailed off of the latest the next SpaceX

01:03:19.460 flight. Right. Didn't he? He just he just he said he had a scheduling conflict.

01:03:25.200 What? No. Decadence. This is the age of decadence. That is goals. I mean, maybe when you're dating Kim

01:03:31.560 Kardashian, that could be real. I was like, I don't know. You might actually have something more

01:03:35.320 important to do if you're a man. So there's a bit of a feud between Kanye and Pete Davidson,

01:03:40.780 where Kanye continues to sort of needle Pete and needle Kim and Trevor Noah weighed in saying,

01:03:47.220 I love Kanye, but he's got to stop. I don't know what's happening, but you had some interesting

01:03:51.300 observations on the nature of Kanye's objections that he's voicing Emily online and why we might

01:03:58.500 want to be paying a little bit more attention to the substance there as opposed to just being like,

01:04:02.400 oh, Kanye, Pete, blah, blah. Yeah, it's been really interesting to watch him sort of convert

01:04:08.140 to evangelical Christianity and then try to make his old life fit with his new life. I think it

01:04:14.600 gives a lot of insight into actually the way like evangelicals have to confront the culture and

01:04:19.640 Christians in general have to confront the culture. But he's upset about sort of the influence of TikTok

01:04:24.680 in his very young children's life, particularly North, who's eight years old and is using TikTok with

01:04:31.220 the mother was lip syncing to a very, very, very inappropriate song by, you know, I forget actually

01:04:39.340 who the song is by, but it was about kissing an emo girl. And it's a super popular song. It's a TikTok

01:04:45.100 meme. And it may seem like it's nothing to a lot of parents in 2022. But to somebody who's trying to

01:04:51.900 live a Christian lifestyle, that's a very big deal. And so it's interesting to watch Kanye try to fit his

01:04:57.960 his new life in together with his old life, where you have your wife raising your your kids and your

01:05:03.580 family around people who are bad influences, clearly like Pete Davidson, absolutely a bad

01:05:09.700 influence. There's no question about it. And it's not that Kanye West is a perfect human being. Although

01:05:14.620 I think we could say he's he's trying to be better. And we get way more insight into that process than we

01:05:19.280 do with most celebrities. But it is I mean, TikTok is something that is actually very bad, but is

01:05:24.880 normalize in our culture. And so when you're trying to exist in the culture, especially as an ultra

01:05:30.780 famous celebrity, while also, you know, being in a lot of people in Christian circles who say you need

01:05:36.560 to be in the world, but not of the world. And that's what Kanye West is trying to do as somebody

01:05:40.720 who has always been very much of the world. And it's causing conflict. And to see that play out in

01:05:45.460 his marriage is really sad and tragic for the children. But I think it's also insight into how sort of

01:05:50.700 secular our cultural norms have become. Yeah, in your piece, you wrote, they've lived their life

01:05:57.340 in the public eye. And the rapper is clearly in a bad place. But West may have some legitimate

01:06:05.620 concerns about leftist and secular influences introduced to his young children. And I wrote

01:06:10.760 in the margin, then don't reproduce with a progressive selfie star, right? Like, that's,

01:06:16.160 I mean, you know, like this is foreseeable. And one of the things that jumps out at me is this is

01:06:25.080 like every parent's nightmare in getting a divorce if you have children, right? That your ex is going to

01:06:30.880 find a new person whose values you don't share. And maybe you've realized too late in the marriage

01:06:37.720 that you don't share the ex's values when it comes to child rearing. And now your kid not only has

01:06:43.580 to be raised by somebody other than you half the time, but it's someone you can't stand or you

01:06:48.260 actually think is genuinely bad for them. To me, that is like torture that that would be a form of

01:06:55.500 torture on earth. I can't I cannot imagine. And especially when you're just expected to deal with

01:07:02.160 it as a celebrity and, you know, not weigh in and not make this stuff public. But to and I think that's

01:07:08.480 obviously the way better course here for Kanye West is to deal with those in private. But it's been

01:07:13.420 difficult for both of them because, you know, you don't want to make it look like you endorse Pete

01:07:17.420 Davidson, who Kanye calls skeet, by the way. Skeet's influence. Why? But do we know why? It's tragic.

01:07:24.920 But you're like, what do you expect? You married Kim Kardashian? Yeah, like you knew what you were

01:07:29.740 getting. It's like she posted. Remember that picture she posted that broke the Internet of like her naked

01:07:33.820 bottom and her naked breasts and like she was on a champagne bottle or something. And I remember his tweet

01:07:38.560 at the time, which is sort of unforgettable. It was all night long. Okay, great. But there might be a

01:07:47.980 downside to that balance that you should put some thought into. I'm just saying like done is never

01:07:56.060 going to have that problem now. That's and that's why it's so interesting that like after he goes on

01:08:00.480 this journey where he he's really trying to live like a Christian lifestyle. It's making those two

01:08:06.740 puzzle pieces fit together is extremely difficult. He must have been sitting there learning all the

01:08:10.720 lessons going. Oh, shit. Oh, I swear again. I mean, dang, dang. It's so hard. So I only have two more. What

01:08:18.020 is it? Two more weeks of Lent just did the fourth Sunday. All right. Stand by, ladies, because there's

01:08:22.220 much, much more to discuss. I'm dying to talk about that. I've been on vacation, so I haven't been able to

01:08:27.520 talk about the Marsha Blackburn moment with our next Supreme Court justice and what a woman is. I'll put it to

01:08:34.120 you two. Let's see if you can figure it out. There's your homework over the two minute commercial

01:08:37.500 break. We'll be right back. So the vote on Ketanji Brown Jackson was supposed to happen today at three.

01:08:49.680 They said it's almost certainly going to be postponed, however, for whatever reason, but

01:08:52.980 she's going to get through. I mean, there's no drama attached to that. The hearing last week,

01:08:58.480 I thought was about as milquetoast and mild as you can get in today's day and age. I didn't see or

01:09:05.080 hear anything that was upsetting to me. I did see and hear some upsetting reaction to Marsha

01:09:10.440 Blackburn's question, what is a woman? Even in right wing. I mean, I listen to a lot of podcasts

01:09:15.460 and so on, even in right wing podcasts, like now we're down the line. It was a stupid question.

01:09:20.480 Shut up. It's not a stupid question. It's a stupid debate to be having it at all. But the left has

01:09:25.780 made us have it. And now we're going to have it. And somebody sitting on the Supreme Court should

01:09:30.420 be able to answer that with ease. It wasn't something she needed to dodge. But here was

01:09:35.480 the moment just for those of you who missed it. Sound by 10. Can you provide a definition for the

01:09:40.240 word woman? Can I provide a definition? Yeah. I can't. You can't. Not in this context. I'm not a

01:09:52.120 biologist. I find this whole thing maddening. I don't think it was a dumb question. It was a

01:09:56.320 clever question. She was trying to pin her down on whether she was going to be a reasonable person

01:10:00.820 who would stand up to the woke on their nonsense interpretations of things that we all know to be

01:10:05.520 true. And the judge effectively answered it. She will not. She requires their approval because she

01:10:12.920 wouldn't have lost one vote if she had answered that honestly. I mean, your knee jerk reaction would

01:10:20.080 probably be double X chromosome or, you know, whatever you get when you get the right. The

01:10:24.820 definition, according to Deborah So, who I've had on the podcast, and she's brilliant. She's,

01:10:29.480 you know, got all sorts of degrees and all of this is you have gametes. You have only two gametes.

01:10:35.820 You got ones that produce sperms and ones that produce eggs. And it's binary. You're one or the

01:10:42.040 other. And it determines biological sex, which is not fluid. And it's not a social construct.

01:10:47.820 It's one or the other male or female. Maybe she doesn't know about gametes. That's fine.

01:10:52.100 She knows about chromosomes. Any moron knows double X or XY. Everybody knows that. All right. Anyway,

01:10:57.580 what did you make of it? Because I when I listened to her, Emily, I liked her. I thought this is as

01:11:02.280 good as we're going to do for I'm more of an originalist and a Federalist Society type person

01:11:07.060 in a selection of judges. But I thought she's nice. She doesn't sound like a total radical. But that

01:11:11.320 answer actually did concern me. Yeah, that answer concerned me immensely as well, as did her answer

01:11:17.700 on the question of when life begins. But what the media completely stripped out of context is that

01:11:22.480 Marsha Blackburn and Megan, you know, this as a lawyer, she was asking about an extremely important

01:11:29.040 case. And that would be the VMI case. This was in the context of a line of questioning about the

01:11:35.180 Supreme Court's VMI case, which involves sex and gender. And these are cases that we can expect to

01:11:41.920 make their way similar cases to the Supreme Court in recent years, given the way our culture war is

01:11:46.260 heading, in which a jurist definition of biological sex becomes incredibly salient. So it wasn't as

01:11:55.440 though Marsha Blackburn was just flinging silly culture war questions, even though this one is

01:12:00.620 relevant, whatever you think. And the media, again, stripped it out of context and made it seem like

01:12:05.580 Marsha Blackburn was just asking completely random questions, when in fact, this was in a very serious

01:12:10.640 line of questioning. And I actually interviewed Marsha Blackburn the week before the hearings began.

01:12:15.740 And she reiterated to me time and again, that this was going to be a respectful, civil process.

01:12:22.060 And I was kind of expecting, I don't know, maybe I was expecting something different after Kavanaugh

01:12:26.760 and, you know, the Amy Coney Barrett circus. But yeah, I actually think the Republicans managed to

01:12:33.260 stick to that. I was disgusted by anybody on the right, who critiqued that line of questioning,

01:12:39.740 who said there wasn't, you know, that these were not reasonable, substantive issues. They absolutely

01:12:43.960 are. And it's just, again, a great example of how far our standards have fallen, that the media is

01:12:49.740 behaving this way. And even people on the right are behaving this way.

01:12:52.200 Yeah. You know what? When you deal with Title VII claims and Title IX claims, you need to understand

01:12:57.200 what a woman is and what a woman isn't. And honestly, in that moment, she could have said,

01:13:01.880 my understanding of a woman is somebody with two X chromosomes. But I understand legally,

01:13:06.580 things are changing. And people who have an XY are now identifying as female. And that becomes a

01:13:11.960 legal issue, gender versus biological sex. She's very well smart enough to answer that in a way that

01:13:17.440 acknowledges, I see where you're going. This is my understanding. But you know, it's 2022. And I get

01:13:23.520 now that this has become an issue. And that's even that's an issue for some her playing dumb on it

01:13:29.420 offended me. I really just thought that that is absurd. And that's the kind of thing I really hope

01:13:35.700 to see held against people who push that kind of messaging come the next election. Like Eliana,

01:13:41.380 that's the stuff that look, it's a long time between now and November. But that's the stuff that will

01:13:45.900 stick in America's craw if they see too many people saying it. We know what a woman is. We know that

01:13:52.880 there are trans women as well, people who are biologically male, but identify as female.

01:13:58.680 The vast majority of people will respect that and be kind to a person dealing with that.

01:14:03.940 But it doesn't require the erasure of women. Megan, you said she wouldn't have lost any votes if she

01:14:11.340 had answered that question. I think she blew an opportunity to gain some votes. I actually think

01:14:16.760 she could have gotten some Republican votes if she would have given a candid answer. And I think the

01:14:22.000 one that you proposed is good. Somebody with two X chromosomes. It is a problem when, you know,

01:14:27.360 the smartest elites in our society say they can't answer a question that you could go up to the guy on

01:14:34.420 the street corner and get an answer to. That is, I think, what is driving a wedge between the elites

01:14:41.700 and the regular people and that people find absurd. And I think it is something that, you know, Biden

01:14:46.580 campaigned as a moderate. He isn't governing as a moderate. And I think that it's these sorts of

01:14:50.940 things, these sorts of like, oh, sorry, I can't answer what a woman is, that we saw Glenn Youngkin in

01:14:56.840 Virginia campaign on these sorts of things in the gubernatorial race, and that Democrats are probably going to

01:15:03.220 pay for in the November midterms. But I think Ketanji Brown-Jackson blew an opportunity to make

01:15:09.200 a statement about who she is and where she stands and perhaps to gain some votes.

01:15:13.320 Mm-hmm. I totally agree with you. On a not unrelated note, I mentioned it earlier, and I know,

01:15:20.300 Emily, you interviewed the Babylon Bee founder, who's a great guy. But Babylon Bee's still shut down.

01:15:27.140 Their Twitter account is still not operational because they sent out sort of their snarky. That's what

01:15:31.840 they do. That's why we love them. A tweet about Rachel Levine, who is U.S. Assistant Secretary of

01:15:37.680 HHS. I mean, nobody's ever heard of whoever filled this position prior to Rachel Levine.

01:15:42.300 But the reason Rachel Levine has become well known is because this is a trans woman. This is a

01:15:47.540 biological man who lived the vast majority of their life as a male. I think it was mid-50s,

01:15:52.820 transitioned to female, and now is in this role and was celebrated when Biden appointed Rachel Levine

01:15:59.060 to this role as the first woman, first woman admiral to hold it, or maybe she was the first

01:16:04.900 woman admiral something. And now USA Today has named her one of its Women of the Year.

01:16:12.760 Women of the Year. I have problems with that, and I will explain why with all due respect to Rachel.

01:16:18.560 So, but the Babylon Bee does what it does, which is, you know, they make fun of everybody and lots of

01:16:23.700 woke, you know, sort of issues and policies. And they tweeted out that Rachel Levine is their man

01:16:29.300 of the year. Shut down. Shut down for, quote, hateful content. They will, Twitter, in its beneficent

01:16:39.380 way, will allow them access to the Twitter account if they delete the tweet. You can have it back within

01:16:45.860 12 hours. Just delete it. Unsay it. Go, go my way. See the world as I do. Don't say anything,

01:16:53.660 quote, hateful. And we, Twitter, will decide what's, quote, hateful. And they won't do it.

01:16:59.640 So let me start with you on it, Eliana, and ask you what you make of Rachel Levine as, quote,

01:17:04.580 woman of the year by USA Today. Well, I just laughed at the, at your reading of the Babylon Bee tweet.

01:17:11.420 So I guess that's where I stand on it. Um, I mean, it's just so ridiculous and hard to take

01:17:17.500 seriously. Um, I, I honestly, like, I cannot take it seriously. Uh, I, I, woman of the year,

01:17:25.280 I mean, XY chromosome, Rachel Levine, you know, that's right. Um, the Babylon Bee thing. I mean,

01:17:32.700 it's funny. It's funny. Exactly. Come on. Look, and it's also factual. It's factual. There's no

01:17:40.780 question that Rachel Levine is a biological man. That is true. It doesn't make it hateful for the

01:17:47.020 Babylon Bee and pushing back at USA Today to acknowledge that fact. It's not nice. It's not

01:17:52.080 a kind thing to do, but it doesn't make it, quote, hateful and worthy of censorship. But I don't run

01:17:57.280 Twitter. Go ahead, Emma. Well, I mean, the other thing about the Twitter move is the selectivity with

01:18:02.880 which they, uh, determine or they call out hatefulness where, you know, world leaders like

01:18:08.820 the Ayatollah who espouse hate, like that's totally fine. But you know, you, you look the

01:18:14.380 wrong way at somebody who's trans and that's unacceptable. Um, and I think that's what really

01:18:19.800 gets under the skin of people who think the way that, uh, you know, you and I and Emily do. Um,

01:18:25.140 it's like, it's, it's our, it's our, uh, you know, it's our hate. That's always looked at crosswise.

01:18:31.680 I mean, like if I, I would love to give you a list of the things that I've been called by very

01:18:37.060 public people on Twitter, but it would violate my Lent pledge in a way that could not be undone.

01:18:43.980 So most of us see hateful things written about ourselves and we move on. Like we don't punch

01:18:48.680 somebody on the Oscar stage and we don't claim it's hateful. It has to be taken down. You just

01:18:54.180 move on and go on living your beautiful life, Emily.

01:18:58.120 Well, yeah, but this is the left has expanded the definition of hate and bigotry to now include

01:19:03.140 and even violence, by the way, uh, violence can involve actually being misgendered. So if you

01:19:09.100 accidentally use the wrong pronoun, you will fall under the definition of violence. And so that the

01:19:14.080 left actually insists on, and that has been, um, codified in corporate institutions and major

01:19:19.340 institutions around this country and around the world. And so you're making speech, innocent, uh,

01:19:25.080 civil speech. You're, you're making it, you're turning it into violence and you have then narrowed the

01:19:30.520 boundaries of what we can or cannot debate in this country to the point where we're outright

01:19:35.400 erasing women. And we have these, these major corporations who are complicit in what by any

01:19:40.700 definition that would have been used 20 years ago would constitute misogyny. Um, and so it's,

01:19:45.580 it's unbelievable, but that's what happens when you have this expanded definition. I mean, what,

01:19:50.380 how do you celebrate Ketanji Brown Jackson being the first female, black female, uh, nominee to the

01:19:56.360 Supreme court and perhaps, uh, perhaps justice on the Supreme court. If we don't understand what it

01:20:01.540 means to be a woman, if we can't, if that definition is so fast and loose that we don't

01:20:05.500 even have it to the point where Rachel Levine is being named woman of the year over women,

01:20:10.120 it's unbelievable. But the, the definition has been expanded, um, that left academia and made its

01:20:16.160 way into the workplace. And now it runs all of our institutions. It runs our society. It's absurd.

01:20:21.680 It's not factual. It's completely wrong. It's immoral. Um, but it's the regime that we're now

01:20:27.060 forced to live under and you can't even question it as the Babylon B did. Our senior editor, John

01:20:32.140 Davidson at the federalist is locked out of his account right now for a similar infraction.

01:20:36.560 You can't even question it. They'll shut you down. So here's what this, this is why it upsets me

01:20:42.060 to see this. Now, if Rachel Levine wants to live as a man, uh, as a woman now, you know,

01:20:47.440 as of 10 plus years ago, fine by me, you do you. However, Rachel Levine doesn't get to be

01:20:55.800 celebrated as the quote, first female admiral to get this post or as quote, the woman of the year,

01:21:03.080 because there is a reason we put those markers in someone's bio. And it's because it's a recognition

01:21:10.000 that, you know what? Somebody who's now mid sixties as Rachel is came up in a time when it wasn't so easy

01:21:16.540 for women. They actually had to overcome a lot of bold blank. I was better before Lent. Um, I'll be

01:21:24.780 back anyway. Um, I asked somebody if you can sub in a new something to give up in the middle of Lent

01:21:30.740 and the answer was no. So I've just got, I got to see it through to the end ladies. Um, anyway,

01:21:35.020 so it's an acknowledgement, right? That you have gone through like first for a woman back then to

01:21:40.080 get into medical school and do well and, you know, move your way up through the medical ranks

01:21:43.940 was actually pretty impressive and it didn't happen nearly enough. So, um, if Rachel Levine

01:21:49.560 had been born a woman and had lived her whole life as a woman and then became the first admiral

01:21:53.300 at the HHS, et cetera, it would be something to say, okay, cool. You know, she did something that

01:21:58.160 wasn't that easy to do. Same way we celebrated Ruth Bader Ginsburg being one of nine women at

01:22:02.780 Harvard law school. And so like, that's a thing. It's not easy to be one of nine when there's,

01:22:07.380 you know, I don't know, a hundred plus males all around you to, to not have gone through any of

01:22:14.560 that, to have had all of the ease that comes. Yes. Let's face it back in the, in her day and his

01:22:20.560 day of being a white man and have taken advantage of the system all those years as a white man.

01:22:25.180 Great. I get it. It was a good time to be white man. Unlike today. Um, and then switch teams and

01:22:31.660 want all of the accolades of like having made it, you climb, I climbed the same mountain you did.

01:22:37.360 No, you didn't. You were in the ski lift. You were in the chairlift on the mountain next to me.

01:22:41.720 I was fucking hiking with the sticks and it was a, I'm sorry, but no,

01:22:46.820 you were in the gondola. Uh, stop it. Megan, I take it. You were, you, you weren't cheering on,

01:22:54.300 uh, the pen swimmer, Leah Thomas victory. No, she is not the winner. I'm sorry. She, she,

01:23:01.340 I'm happy to see Leah Thomas swim in a different race or with an asterisk, but she, Leah is not

01:23:08.780 allowed to call herself the winner of the women's race. She did. She's, she was in that race

01:23:13.600 fraudulently, unethically. Um, and that too, like I want to be supportive, but I think the best way to

01:23:21.300 create support around the trans community is to not make the rules unfair for the communities that

01:23:26.720 already exist. The female community, the male community, let's create a space that works for

01:23:31.160 them and for us too, because all this is doing is causing anger and resentment. You know, like this

01:23:37.740 is not the way forward. And, and honestly, I know trans people, I have trans people in my family.

01:23:42.900 None of them want this. None of them want this. I don't, who are these freaking activists like Leah

01:23:47.940 who are like USA today. Nobody's asking for this crap. Uh, the best was in the university of Pennsylvania,

01:23:55.140 uh, newspaper and their article about Leah Thomas. They, they write in their lead in the news article

01:24:02.100 is like Leah Thomas. So-and-so becomes the first Quaker to win the, to win the race. I'm like, yes,

01:24:08.000 exactly. What was on all of our minds. Awesome.

01:24:12.760 And this stuff matters beyond the sort of like issue of political correctness, because tragically,

01:24:18.800 actually, this matters a lot in prisons. It matters a lot in women's shelters. It matters a lot

01:24:24.840 in places where women need safe spaces. And even in swimming, it's more serious because there are

01:24:30.380 people without, uh, means or with fewer financial means who need the, um, who need the scholarships and

01:24:39.620 rely on like winning those races and having a fair playing field to get into college and to have

01:24:45.240 financial support for college. And so I think the left likes to pretend this is just about semantics

01:24:50.780 and it's just about bigoted, uh, Christians, conservatives who refuse to, you know, go along

01:24:57.820 with the language and change with the times. But actually there's a reason feminists fought for years

01:25:03.080 to have safe spaces like restrooms, by the way, which was considered a feminist victory, uh, for women.

01:25:08.820 Um, and it's because men and women are different and women do need their own spaces, especially places

01:25:13.760 like women's shelters, um, and prisons. And you can see how this is a very important issue beyond

01:25:19.500 what the left likes to pretend it's about, which is just words and just tolerance. It's not just

01:25:25.000 about that. It's about women's safety. Um, and the, the media, again, it always comes back to the

01:25:30.260 media. The media, again, does not want to have that conversation. All right. Last question, Eliana,

01:25:35.080 Yale law school. Did you, you went to Yale, right? Didn't you? I went to Yale. Yeah. So they've lost

01:25:40.400 their mind. I love the federalist society at Yale law school. I've spoken before that group before

01:25:44.680 it's the normal federalist society. They lean more right in their, in their approach to the law

01:25:49.360 and judicial thinking. And that's totally fine. There are different approaches to how to handle

01:25:53.840 the law. That's what the federalist society is for. They tried to have a debate, a fair and balanced

01:25:59.400 debate on an issue. And the protesters came out, shut it down. We're too loud. Didn't want debate,

01:26:06.900 called it hateful. What was the debate going to be over? And what's the fallout been?

01:26:12.620 The debate was over, uh, free speech. Actually, um, the Alliance defending freedom, uh, was one of

01:26:20.720 the groups and they have a traditional view of marriage and other things. And Megan, he said,

01:26:25.580 you'd spoke to the group. I was going to say, be careful when you go back. Uh, I'm not sure you'll

01:26:29.240 get a friendly greeting, but they were, they were, uh, not shouted down, but in the clip you're showing,

01:26:35.920 uh, there were loud jeers. The students were given a warning and, um, they left the room and then from

01:26:42.360 outside the room made so much noise that it became difficult to hear the speakers. Um, they disrupted

01:26:48.220 other classes and professional talks going on and, uh, police were required to see the speakers out the

01:26:57.220 door and, you know, off the campus. So, um, it's an absolute disgrace. And at Yale law school,

01:27:04.540 as at many other law schools, the lunatics are running the asylum and, um, the administrators

01:27:11.200 are absolutely feckless. Absolutely. And I've seen some pushback with people raising the best point,

01:27:17.660 which is, um, how do you think we do it in the courtroom? Did you just, just the one side gets

01:27:25.220 to stand up and say totally non-offensive things. And then the other, the judge just has to figure out

01:27:30.860 what the other side might say, but it can never be voiced cause that might offend somebody. And

01:27:35.420 then he or she rules. I mean, these are absurd people. They should not be allowed to practice

01:27:39.460 law. I would not hire them. And we had a federal judge in fact, come out and say judge Lawrence

01:27:44.700 Silverman on the DC circuit, uh, come out and say that, uh, free speech is a cornerstone of our legal

01:27:51.940 system. And all federal judges should really think twice about hiring for clerkships, anybody who

01:27:58.240 participated in these clerks and Yale law school, it carries more important. Uh, it carries more

01:28:03.780 importance when these things happen there because it is the top law school in the country. And these

01:28:08.780 are our future federal judges. Uh, you know, it is concerning. Yeah. You know what? Like my advice

01:28:17.240 when I spoke to the Yale law school students was when you go out there and you seek a job, you act like

01:28:22.340 you went to Albany law or I went, don't, don't think you're high and mighty. You work hard, keep your

01:28:29.220 mouth shut on your stupid woke policies and, you know, put some elbow grease into it. Actually earn

01:28:35.400 your position. Um, but I was speaking to the federal society, so they already knew all that. Emily,

01:28:40.280 Eliana, such a pleasure as always. Great to see you. Uh, tomorrow we've got Marianne Williamson by

01:28:45.820 popular demand. Uh, so many of you have asked me to interview her, so I'm doing it. She's led a

01:28:50.420 fascinating life and she made serious waves during the 2020 primary. Meantime, download the show,

01:28:55.300 check it out on YouTube and we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 28, 2022

Biden's Blunder and Will Smith's Oscars Smack, with Sohrab Ahmari, Emily Jashinsky, and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 287

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