The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Border Chaos, and Marine Charged in Subway Death, with Stephen Miller, Liz Wolfe, and Sara Gonzales

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Title 42 has officially ended

00:00:18.400 and U.S. Border Patrol is bracing for an influx of migrants to our southern border. I mean,

00:00:24.480 there really is no southern border. You read the reports about what's going on down there and it

00:00:28.260 is absolutely horrific. We have opened the gates. Just come on in. It's at the point now where it's

00:00:36.380 like, come in and we'll never talk again, but we're relying on you and your honor to maybe show

00:00:43.640 up in front of an immigration court at some point, like three years down the road. That's what they're

00:00:49.440 saying at a time when we have 8, 10, 12,000 migrants crossing the border. Now, keep in mind,

00:00:59.320 Obama's DHS secretary, Jay Johnson, said we are at crisis levels when 1,000 are being apprehended a

00:01:07.680 day. 1,000. Now, we're talking about 10, 10,000 a day, and we've already set records on this. Last

00:01:17.280 year, it was 2.4 million apprehensions at the border, and we're on pace potentially to beat that

00:01:22.620 this year. These are not the sweet children who the left would like you to believe. Yes,

00:01:29.140 there are some of those who are promptly being exploited by these border crossing folks who make

00:01:35.960 they make it their business to exploit them sexually, exploit them financially, and then

00:01:42.180 throw them in the United States with not a care for their well-being. They get raped. They get

00:01:46.880 assaulted. Children, women. These are not all those people. We're talking about rapists, pedophiles,

00:01:56.080 drug dealers, gang members, even terrorists flooding across our border right now. It was not a mystery

00:02:04.200 to Joe Biden that Title 42 was going to expire. That was the COVID measure that allowed us to turn

00:02:09.840 people away without even entertaining what you're, let's face it, what are mostly false asylum

00:02:15.120 claims. They don't need asylum here. How do you pass right through Mexico and not get asylum there?

00:02:20.240 Now we said, oh, that's true. We should make them try to at least seek asylum. If you're fleeing

00:02:24.840 death, destruction, sexual violence, and you just say, I got to get out of my country,

00:02:30.080 what's wrong with Mexico? Why don't you stop there? Go get asylum from them. You know what's

00:02:34.160 happening? We cracked down and said, yeah, you do have to apply for asylum there. And Mexico promptly

00:02:38.300 just said, that's me stamping the papers without even looking at them. Yeah, he sought asylum. Yeah,

00:02:45.460 he can go now. It's all such a farce. It's a shell game. So yeah, now they flood into the United States

00:02:52.380 without so much as, in many instances, a tap on the shoulder saying, hey, can I see your papers? Hey,

00:02:57.640 do you need asylum? Hey, what's your plan when you're in the United States? So Joe Biden knew

00:03:02.640 this was going to be coming, that Title 42 was going to be ending because there is no COVID pandemic.

00:03:09.080 Even the WHO has now admitted that. And we've done basically nothing. We're sending some troops down

00:03:16.600 there, like a handful. But really, Texas is the state that's been left to fend off these migrants

00:03:24.580 from coming across the border. God bless Greg Abbott, who sent a couple thousand National

00:03:30.360 Guard troops to the border to try to fend off the migrants. And according to reports from Fox News,

00:03:37.820 Bill Malugin's been doing a great job. These migrants are looking at them like, what are they

00:03:41.440 doing there? Who are they? What? Who are these people? They're not used to being turned away.

00:03:47.800 They're used to just walking right in. And thanks to Greg Abbott, some of them are getting some

00:03:51.840 pushback now because it's reached true, true crisis levels. We do not have the facilities

00:03:58.020 to house these people. We've talked about the plan, the actions by some of these Southern state

00:04:04.500 governors like Abbott, like DeSantis in Florida to ship the migrants elsewhere to sanctuary cities.

00:04:11.580 That's pretty much their plan. Great. You want to be a sanctuary city? Here's a bunch of migrants.

00:04:15.460 Why should we have to deal with it down in Texas? Totally get it. And frankly, support it.

00:04:19.220 Even though I happen to live near one of those sanctuary cities, New York.

00:04:24.100 And now Mayor Adams is trying to bust those migrants out of Manhattan. Oh, I thought we

00:04:29.440 were against the busing plan. OK, what happened to sanctuary city? What happened to come here?

00:04:35.240 We're not going to turn you over for deportation. Different story now. Now he's trying to bust

00:04:39.560 them to places like Rockland County. That's just north of New York City. And he's getting pushback.

00:04:44.080 You got the Republican city manager there saying they're not coming to our town. It's your problem,

00:04:48.360 Adams. We're not a sanctuary city. You deal with it. Where I used to live on the Upper West

00:04:52.520 Side of Manhattan. You there's like a migrants everywhere. They're in hotels right around

00:04:58.780 the corner. These are beautiful neighborhoods. People raise their children, migrants in this

00:05:02.960 hotel, migrants in that hotel, then another whole hotel of homeless people who would live

00:05:09.040 in those conditions. I'm sorry. I don't care if it sounds heartless. No normal person wants to raise

00:05:13.980 their toddler on a street that's got two hotels full of migrants with all the people I just listed

00:05:19.320 and another hotel full of homeless people, half of whom are cracked out on drugs.

00:05:24.620 Now, last night, a federal judge blocked a Biden administration policy that would allow the

00:05:30.540 release of the migrants again as without court dates. It's just the honor system. OK, and the House

00:05:35.820 GOP passed a last second bill addressing border security. But do we have faith in any of this?

00:05:40.940 Jeremy now is a man who knows immigration policy better than anyone. I think it's fair to say

00:05:45.960 Stephen Miller. He served as a senior advisor to President Trump and is now fighting the Biden

00:05:50.480 border policies as president of America First Legal, which is a great group. America First Legal

00:05:56.440 has become a thorn in the side of the Biden administration and other administrations at the

00:06:02.780 state level who are trying to obfuscate facts that they think will be bad for the political

00:06:07.680 left, trying to get everything from that manifesto that was written by the shooter,

00:06:12.700 the trans shooter down in Nashville, Tennessee, to trying to find out what's really happening

00:06:17.020 at our southern border. So, Stephen, thank you for being with us.

00:06:21.060 Hey, great to be with you. Thank you.

00:06:23.100 All right. So put it in perspective for us now how bad it is right now and is likely to get.

00:06:28.600 Well, it's unprecedentedly bad. It's the worst that it's ever been in American history.

00:06:35.940 It's never been worse than it is right now, not just in the history of our country,

00:06:39.020 but the history of any country. In fact, the 10,000 apprehensions that we had recorded

00:06:44.400 just in the last couple of days, so 10,000 per day is the highest single day record since the

00:06:52.160 founding of our country. But again, even other countries would pale in comparison in their

00:06:57.040 histories as well, too. So we're living through a time period now that has no equal. It has no

00:07:02.340 comparison point. It has nothing that you could possibly use to contextualize it really with

00:07:07.460 anything. And I would also say that that 10,000, of course, is just a portion of what we know is

00:07:14.280 crossing the border because in addition to the 10,000 known apprehensions, you also have a huge number,

00:07:24.640 as you've discussed many times, a huge number of gotaways, too. And, you know, we know of about

00:07:30.060 20,000 gotaways in the last full seven-day period. But then there's a second category of unknown

00:07:35.520 gotaways. So those are people that you don't know that you miss, you just miss them. And so even if

00:07:40.060 you're being charitable and you say that that's an equivalent number, so say, so say 20,000 known

00:07:45.100 gotaways, 20,000 unknown gotaways, that's 40,000 gotaways in a week on top of an average of

00:07:52.160 eight to 10,000 a day. So on the high end, that's 70,000. So you get 70,000 in a week,

00:07:58.560 potentially, of apprehensions, plus another 40,000 in gotaways. So that's basically the size

00:08:04.260 of a mid-sized American city every week. My God. Where are we supposed to put them?

00:08:11.200 What are we supposed to do with them? I mean, I understand the idea of the Biden administration,

00:08:16.620 these far-left Dems, like, we're pro-immigration. I mean, they'll mention the Statue of Liberty to you

00:08:21.320 if you start talking to these people. Really, what are we supposed to do with these people?

00:08:26.740 What is going to happen with this level of chaos? The whole notion that we have this obligation to

00:08:33.260 let in unlimited numbers of poor migrants from developing countries is basically, as I understand

00:08:39.800 it, is predicated on the idea that a poem was added to the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty several

00:08:45.340 decades after it was gifted to us by the French as part of a fundraiser for refurbishing the base

00:08:51.340 of the statue. That's basically it. In other words, it was a poem that was added some years

00:08:58.420 later after the statue was erected. The statue was a gift from the French. If you said the Statue of

00:09:02.820 Liberty at all, there's broken chains at the bottom of the FUD. And it was really an abolitionist

00:09:10.340 monument and a monument about freedom and about liberty enlightening the world. And that's what

00:09:15.200 the torch stands for, is liberty enlightening the world. And so it's meant to be a symbol of American

00:09:20.300 freedom pointing outwards and illuminating the globe. It has nothing to do whatsoever with immigration.

00:09:25.400 But that idea has stuck in the American mind on the part perpetrated by the media now for many

00:09:32.920 generations. But the Biden administration's objective to get from day one since they entered

00:09:39.220 office, none of this is an accident. The objective from day one, from the very beginning, was to admit

00:09:45.840 as many illegal aliens as humanly possible into the country. And that's, of course, what they've been

00:09:51.280 doing. All the policies they canceled, they knew what canceling them would do. And all the new

00:09:57.520 policies they put into place, they understood what the effects of those would be. And so in particular,

00:10:02.220 what you see happening with the use of what's known as parole, and so this may be somewhat,

00:10:09.080 it may seem like an esoteric topic, but it's important.

00:10:11.340 Let me just say to the audience that this is the new plan. This is part of the Biden administration's

00:10:16.280 new plan that I guess we're supposed to feel better about. And they're calling it parole,

00:10:20.660 which is a weird word because people have it. I have a notion of what that means in the criminal

00:10:25.320 setting. Explain what this new plan of parole for these illegal migrants is.

00:10:33.080 Yes. So in immigration law, there is a provision known as parole, you know, the same word that you

00:10:40.440 hear in the criminal justice context that says that the Department of Homeland Security on a case

00:10:47.260 case-by-case basis for humanitarian or other exigent circumstances can parole someone into the

00:10:55.160 country that would otherwise be ineligible for entry. So it's a sort of emergency, well, it is an

00:11:02.220 emergency provision. And it's designed for situations, as an example, if somebody shows up at the border

00:11:13.040 and they're in kidney failure and they need emergency dialysis, you might say, well, we're going to give

00:11:21.360 you humanitarian parole so that we can get you to the hospital and figure this out. And so that would

00:11:27.980 be a very individualized, very specific, very targeted grant of relief for a very narrow purpose.

00:11:36.500 And they said that we're going to use it to categorically admit illegal immigrants by the

00:11:41.900 hundreds of thousands. We're going to create an application, an app, the CBP-1 app that I guess

00:11:47.580 NGOs can give you on their phones that you can apply for parole, or we'll just parole you straight out of

00:11:52.980 Border Patrol facilities. The reason why this is significant, and this is what I've described as

00:11:56.900 their end game, this is what they've been driving towards for two years, and removing Title 42 was the

00:12:03.500 last step in this process, is that parole confers a DACA-like benefit. And for those of you who don't

00:12:09.620 remember, DACA, D-A-C-A, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, that was Obama's program for

00:12:15.260 so-called dreamers or younger illegal aliens. And so when you're paroled, not only do you have a two-year

00:12:22.720 immunity, a renewable two-year immunity from deportation, but you can also apply for a work

00:12:28.280 permit. And you can also apply for what's known as, and again, I'm using immigration terminology

00:12:33.820 here, but what's known as an adjustment of status. And what that means is your current status is

00:12:38.940 paroled. But if you fall in love with an American, why, then you can adjust your status to being a

00:12:45.940 legal permanent resident. And then you can adjust, again, to being a citizen. Or if a company wants to

00:12:51.320 hire you, well, they'll just sponsor you for a work-based green card. And now you're, again,

00:12:55.560 you're a legal permanent resident. So they're admitting people on a pathway to permanence.

00:13:02.080 And they'll also be able to then go to Congress and say, in a short time, we've got all these

00:13:07.700 people here. They fled their home countries. There's no way we could possibly deport them all.

00:13:12.720 They've been living here for years. They've put down roots, don't you know? And they've had kids now,

00:13:17.880 and they've had children, and the children are citizens, and we can't split up families. So

00:13:21.380 I guess we'll just have to make them all citizens. That's the plan. And that's what's happening now.

00:13:28.080 So I'm not even describing something that's theoretical. This isn't one of those things

00:13:30.900 where, well, Stephen, where's the proof? The memo has gone out into the field. The directions have been

00:13:35.660 given. The technology has been deployed. This is what is actually happening now in the real world.

00:13:42.720 What they say that their new rule will, quote, bar most people from applying for asylum

00:13:49.100 if they cross the border illegally. So the people who cross in with this expanded parole program,

00:13:55.360 where it's like, OK, just just come on in, you know, we'll check back. And if you want to apply

00:14:00.800 for change in status to go from illegal to lawful in some way, go for it. None of your past behavior

00:14:06.180 will be held against you. Well, how does that interact with this claim that their new rule

00:14:12.200 is going to bar most people from applying for asylum if they cross the border illegally? It's

00:14:16.100 just not going to be an asylum claim? Well, so a couple of important points on this. The first is

00:14:24.180 that the regulation that people are talking about does not do at all what people are saying and have

00:14:30.140 been saying it would do. So during the Trump administration, we had an actual transit ban

00:14:37.060 in place. And the the the transit ban that was in place. Said that if you cross through a safe third

00:14:50.520 country, you are ineligible for asylum in the United States of America. And it was a categorical

00:14:56.840 prohibition. And so Mexico obviously is a safe country. We know this because millions of people

00:15:03.640 live and work in Mexico and are not being persecuted by their government. And to be clear,

00:15:08.840 the term safe in this context, in the world of immigration law, means safe from persecution.

00:15:15.580 That's what safe means. It means safe from persecution. And so the government of Mexico is

00:15:20.000 a democratic government that respects human rights, that has basic due process. So nobody's being

00:15:25.080 persecuted by the government in Mexico. So this policy, all it does is it says that if

00:15:33.620 if you haven't applied for asylum somewhere else, that you then need to apply for parole in the United

00:15:40.620 States instead. So it's just a funneling mechanism to push people into this parole scheme. But even if

00:15:47.120 you break that rule and you say, no, screw you, I'm not applying for parole. I'm just coming across

00:15:52.420 and I'm demanding entry. Then you have the right to see an immigration judge. And once you assert

00:15:58.100 your right to see an immigration judge, you're going to be released. That just is going to happen.

00:16:03.660 This is a very important point to understand. The Border Patrol facilities were not set up and were

00:16:08.480 not designed to hold tens of thousands of people waiting to see immigration judges. Once you ask to

00:16:13.920 see an immigration judge, you will be sprung loose. You are free and you will go on about the rest of

00:16:18.780 your life. And you will never believe in this country unless a future president sends an ICE

00:16:23.180 officer to come find you. And so this is a distraction play, again, to create a predicate

00:16:33.100 or a pretext so they can go to court and say, oh, we're not just paroling people. See, the parole is

00:16:40.040 part of this broader enforcement continuum, this plan that we have. So it's entirely pretextual,

00:16:46.020 Megan, which being a very gifted attorney as you are, that's the term you understand very well.

00:16:50.880 But it's basically it's just a fake reason to say that you're doing something when your real

00:16:55.420 objective, again, is to create this DACA like status for hundreds of thousands and ultimately

00:17:01.400 millions of illegal aliens. I mean, is the goal just to create more democratic voters? What what is

00:17:08.980 it? Is it bleeding heart liberalism? What why would they be allowing this kind of crisis to emerge from

00:17:16.200 our south and now be bussed up to the north such that virtually all these major cities are going to

00:17:22.980 feel the pain? People ask me this question a lot, and I've reflected on it a great deal because people

00:17:29.480 know people want to know how is it possible that that a entire administration and all the the members

00:17:38.620 of Congress who support that administration and all of the outside groups that support that

00:17:41.900 administration could be so willingly complicit in a policy that's yielding so much human misery.

00:17:48.720 You have human trafficking, sex trafficking and labor trafficking, as even the New York Times

00:17:53.680 documented, particularly with minors on a scale that has never been witnessed before. Hundreds of

00:17:59.960 thousands of minors have been trafficked into the country. You have the fentanyl deaths setting records

00:18:06.160 year after year, families being separated in a permanent and irrevocable way, where the only way

00:18:12.500 they can visit their loved ones is at a cemetery, at a at a graveyard. And then you have gangs that have

00:18:18.280 operational control of our territory that are abusing people and murdering people on both sides of the

00:18:24.980 border, the destruction of the labor market for the working class and the working poor, and the decimation of

00:18:31.300 our health care system and our education system to name but a few social ills. And I think the answer is

00:18:37.600 exactly what you said. And it's very straightforward. California was once the most conservative free

00:18:45.380 state in the country. If you wanted to live the American dream, you want to get your family in the

00:18:51.280 station wagon, drive across country and just strike out and see if you could start a small business or

00:18:57.420 get a good job or just earn a good living, you went to California. That's what you did. And this was the

00:19:05.480 state that not only elected Reagan governor, but also voted in presidential elections for conservatives,

00:19:13.740 for national office, for almost the entirety of the 20th century, up until 1992. And that was the tipping

00:19:23.480 point. And from 1992 until today, only leftists for the highest office in the land. And the reason for

00:19:32.440 that is because mass migration turns politics leftward. And it's a lot of reasons why I mean,

00:19:41.000 one is that people who come from, from countries that have no history of limited government and no

00:19:45.560 experience of limited government, don't find that to be intuitive. So so that's one reason just the

00:19:50.120 actual voters themselves. They would say, well, why wouldn't I vote for higher taxes on someone

00:19:54.520 who's not me to give services to somebody who is me, right? That's intuitive. It's very intuitive to

00:19:59.560 say, there's people who are richer than me. So I'll tax them more. And then you're going to give me more

00:20:05.080 money, right? That's intuitive. It's not intuitive, what we have or have had in America to say, if more

00:20:12.440 people who aren't you also have freedom, then they will also be productive, and they will also create

00:20:17.160 more jobs, and then those jobs will pay higher wages. But there's a secondary effect that pulls

00:20:22.120 politics left, which is the destruction of the middle class. When you have good, high-paying,

00:20:28.440 middle-class jobs, that forms the center of a conservative society, a strong family and a strong

00:20:36.440 community where people are able to get a job that can pay a living wage, that can support a family,

00:20:42.920 where you can have, if you want to, a one-parent working home, if you want to, a two-parent working

00:20:48.180 home. But either way, you're financially secure, and you have a good education system and a good

00:20:53.300 health care system. When you completely destabilize the labor market and the social safety net,

00:20:58.760 people then begin demanding more and more and more government services, because the jobs aren't

00:21:03.960 paying enough, so you need more earned income tax credit, and you need to have more food stamps,

00:21:09.580 you need to have more public housing, and the education system can't keep up. So you got to

00:21:13.960 keep funneling more and more and more money into that. And nobody has health insurance. I mean,

00:21:17.420 how many years have we heard, Megan, there's 30 million people that have health insurance. We

00:21:21.620 need socialized medicine. We need socialized medicine. The vast majority of people in this

00:21:26.580 country who do not have health insurance are not citizens of this country. There are many American

00:21:31.300 citizens that have health insurance, to be clear, and they should get it, and we should make sure they do

00:21:34.540 have it. But the vast majority of people who do not have insurance of any kind, in any way, any shape,

00:21:41.080 or form whatsoever, are not U.S. citizens. But again, that's used by political parties to demand

00:21:48.660 free government services. So an open border both imports the voters who will vote for one party and

00:21:55.520 one ideology, but it also changes the political landscape of an entire community. So you end up

00:22:01.800 with the Manhattanization of America, where you have these very large cities where nothing works,

00:22:09.140 nothing is functional, nothing is safe, nothing is efficient, and the solution is always going to be

00:22:18.500 you have to tax more and spend more. It's bleak, Stephen. It's so bleak. I've been listening to the

00:22:28.060 reporting on the approach, the new approach by the Biden administration, and it's all over the board,

00:22:34.140 even amongst the left. I, you know, I listen to NPR. I listen to the New York Times the Daily and read

00:22:40.000 the Times as well. And even they seem to be struggling with whether these are going to be effective

00:22:47.700 measures, whether they're going to be ineffective, or whether they might be even more effective than the

00:22:53.420 Trump administration. They seem to actually want to be toying with he's going to be tougher. He's

00:22:58.880 going to be tougher with these reforms than than Trump was on people trying to get across the border

00:23:04.580 because he's saying if you try to do it illegally and you get caught, you're out, you're out for five

00:23:09.980 years and you can't reapply. So you better go through the proper channels to get into this country

00:23:15.360 or else, which is new for him. Yeah. Right. So this version of events inquires us to believe that he

00:23:24.820 canceled every single policy that was working incredibly well and then put in place a whole

00:23:31.780 series of policies designed to make it as easy to enter the country illegally as possible. But it was

00:23:37.180 really just secretly a head fake to come up with some new and different and better plan. The people who are

00:23:42.120 driving immigration policy, I talked to Iceland, I talked to border agents, and obviously I know

00:23:46.500 the names of the higher ups at DHS and of course in the White House too. Ideologically, the people who

00:23:55.100 are setting policy believe that borders are racist, that borders are wrong, and that we don't have any

00:24:01.160 right morally or otherwise to deny people entry into this country. The way they look at it, to be very

00:24:09.020 blunt, Megan, is they see, and to use sort of the language of the day, they see America as a racist

00:24:16.100 colonial superpower. So I mean, this is their worldview. They think that we stole wealth and

00:24:22.760 riches and plundered and pillaged from foreign countries, from indigenous people, from the developing

00:24:28.940 world. And at a moral level, they see this as the ultimate act of wealth redistribution. So, you know,

00:24:36.300 we talk about reparations, Megan, they see an open border as reparations for the developing world

00:24:42.580 that they believe, not just America, but they believe the West, you know, from the going back

00:24:48.480 to the times of the British Parliament back when we were colonies. But they see that the West stole

00:24:56.060 and plundered this wealth, and they think this is a form of redistribution to those who they believe

00:25:01.960 are rightfully entitled to the riches of this nation. That is their, that is the, for the true

00:25:07.240 believers. Biden doesn't have much going on upstairs. He's a party man. But, and so he is doing what his

00:25:13.020 party is telling him to do, and he is doing it completely. But for the ideologues that are driving

00:25:18.820 this policy, that is absolutely what they believe. And that is why they are constitutionally incapable

00:25:24.180 of saying the sentence, illegal immigration is wrong. If you come into the country illegally,

00:25:31.200 you have no path to release, you will be detained, you will be deported, you will be going home,

00:25:38.300 and you, if possible, will be sent to jail. And if you try again, you'll be sent to jail for more

00:25:42.380 than a year. You know, one of the things that we did in the Trump administration is we aggressively

00:25:45.640 prosecuted. So we didn't just deport people, but we aggressively prosecuted immigration crime,

00:25:50.140 not just immigration fraud, but 1325, USC 1325, which is the misdemeanor illegal entry,

00:25:58.260 and then 1326, which is the felony illegal entry. And we aggressively prosecuted illegal border

00:26:04.300 crossing to send the message that what you're doing is criminal. This is criminal. And if American

00:26:09.440 citizens go to jail for the minorest violation, you know, you get one little thing wrong in your tax

00:26:15.580 forms, or you make one little mistake, interacting with a regulatory agency, or you make one little

00:26:23.320 mistake in Washington, in terms of what box you check here or there. And you know, you spend years

00:26:28.640 and years in jail. But if you come across the country illegally in plain violation of federal

00:26:32.680 law, nothing happens to you. That's wrong. And we said that's wrong. And so we've prosecuted people

00:26:36.960 for doing that. And Biden has completely gutted all of our prosecution initiatives. I don't remember

00:26:41.180 the numbers. But here's how here's what he says he's coming back with just to over, you know,

00:26:45.360 I should have been more clear about this at the top. Okay, I mentioned the new rule that they say

00:26:48.840 is going to bar most people from applying for asylum if they cross the border illegally,

00:26:52.120 or fail to first apply for safe harbor in another country. So they're kind of saying they are saying

00:26:57.220 you now need to apply for asylum in another country, which is just so obvious, right? Of course,

00:27:01.300 if you're truly fleeing prosecution, you're fine with Mexico, you just need to get away from the

00:27:05.220 prosecution. That's not what it's about. They want to be in the United States. And they want to do it

00:27:09.440 fast. And they don't want to follow the rules. Migrants who get an appointment through the new

00:27:14.260 app, they're putting out the one or any app set up by the border patrol will be exempt from this

00:27:22.080 threat. So you're supposed to go on some app and create an appointment to, you know, have your,

00:27:26.360 I guess, asylum claim scheduled for hearing. Then they say this is the point they say is in their

00:27:32.460 favor, the administration will expand expedited removal processes under Title eight, the decades old

00:27:37.840 section of the US code that deals with immigration law. This allows the government to remove from the

00:27:42.200 country, anyone unable to establish a legal basis, such as approved asylum claims, it would bar these

00:27:47.820 migrants from the country for five years. So they're saying, if we catch you trying to get into the

00:27:53.560 country or in the country, and you haven't made an appointment through the app, and you haven't

00:27:58.940 been processed as, you know, a true asylum seeker by doing, trying, applying for asylum in Mexico or

00:28:04.860 someplace else first, then we're going to be kicked out and you will be removed and you won't be able

00:28:09.880 to come back for five years. Is that a step in the right direction? This is not true. It's just not

00:28:17.100 what's happening. What is the, what is the article that you're, that you're reading from? Just so I,

00:28:21.000 I know. Trying to see the source on this. I'll say, I'm reading from my packet, which my team.

00:28:25.800 Okay. Sorry. The, um, cause I was saying immigration are all over the place. New York Post,

00:28:29.640 political New York Post and daily. Yeah. The thing about, think about immigration reporting

00:28:34.860 who do immigration stories actually understand immigration law, that they fall for literally

00:28:39.540 any spin the administration pushes to them. So I've been seeing for two years, they always

00:28:44.080 announced, oh, there's a new crackdown in the middle of the Haiti migrant camps. They were saying

00:28:48.840 the administration has some tough new crackdown plan. They, they, they push out this fake story

00:28:53.880 every few months when the PR gets bad and I hope everybody moves on to the next thing. If you really

00:28:59.820 want to break it down, the, the regulation in question says that you have a rebuttable keyword,

00:29:08.460 rebuttable presumption of ineligibility if you didn't apply in a previous country.

00:29:14.080 The word rebuttable meaning that you can overcome it by asking again, do you see an immigration judge?

00:29:20.960 This is, so in immigration law, Megan, there's all kinds of things that could sound tough on paper

00:29:27.360 that dissolve upon contact with reality because of how enforcement actually works. If you allow an

00:29:35.480 alien to seek a lengthy process when they enter this country, then there's no way for border patrol

00:29:44.160 to remove that person. If an alien shows up from Peru and tells a story and says,

00:29:52.080 I couldn't apply in Mexico because the cartels threatened me. So I need to see a caseworker

00:29:59.680 and then I need to see an immigration judge. Megan, that person is not going anywhere,

00:30:07.080 but to the city of their choice, St. Louis, Omaha, Nebraska, New York city. After two years of this,

00:30:14.820 you think immigration reporters will stop falling for the same crap.

00:30:18.620 That the illegal aliens who want to get in will get in. It's happening right now. It's happening

00:30:26.680 every day. They show up at the border in the morning and they're onto the next city in the

00:30:31.980 evening. You see them on TV going on to the destination of their choice. Then they text

00:30:38.280 their friends and their family with their new phones and say, hey, I just got in. The other point

00:30:42.720 though about this is that in reality, the way it works on the ground is that when you have more

00:30:49.260 aliens in your facility than there are caseworkers to interview them, the difference between those

00:30:56.080 two populations gets released. So what would be the capacity under current staffing and procedures

00:31:03.820 for the border patrol to verify the life story of an illegal alien from Ecuador coming to our border

00:31:11.580 who would then have a right to both see a USAS asylum caseworker and then also to see an immigration

00:31:18.220 judge? Not to mention, Megan, where are they putting the families? They closed down family

00:31:22.880 detention. They don't use it for long-term detention anymore. What about minors? 100% of

00:31:29.080 minors get sent to HHS. So minors, exempt. Families, exempt. So now we're just talking about single

00:31:36.220 adults. So you want to verify the life story of the single adult that's coming to the country.

00:31:41.580 How many could you do a day at the border with current resources? 100? 200? Maybe 250 if you're

00:31:49.040 really pushing it. There's not like there's 50,000 caseworkers from USCIS just sitting down in the

00:31:54.760 tent on the border interviewing people. The entire USCIS workforce is dispersed all across the United

00:32:01.440 States doing H-1Bs, H-2Bs, green cards, naturalizations, every single immigration benefit

00:32:09.460 in the country. And by the way, they're also raging liberals too, caseworkers, which is why we had to

00:32:16.820 cut them out of the process in the Trump administration. So we know exactly what the outcome is going to be.

00:32:21.700 Even NBC News, NBC News had this headline, Biden administration to allow for the release of

00:32:27.180 some migrants into the U.S. with no way to track them. And they were talking about in part what you

00:32:33.620 just mentioned, how we had overcrowding at least beginning in March of 2021. It was getting severe

00:32:40.400 because we've had this problem since he took office. And so back then they began releasing

00:32:44.480 migrants without court dates. So what's going to happen? Right. They began releasing them without

00:32:50.380 court dates. They had previously been enrolling these migrants in a program known as Alternatives to

00:32:55.360 Detention, which required them to at least check in on a mobile app until they got a court date.

00:32:59.560 So at least we made ourselves feel better or I guess gave ourselves political cover by saying,

00:33:05.000 here's an app, check in on your court date. Then it got too overwhelming. And in March 2021,

00:33:09.160 we began releasing them without court dates to alleviate overcrowding. Good luck. Enjoy the United

00:33:14.360 States. And the new policy that he's pushing, this parole thing, releases them, quote, on parole with a

00:33:20.400 notice to report back to ICE, the ICE office, but doesn't enroll them in anything. I mean,

00:33:25.040 it's really just an official adoption of the overcrowding problem resolution, which was you're on

00:33:31.340 your own. Enjoy America. Check out the McDonald's. Check out the Chick-fil-A. And you know what? Here's

00:33:36.640 a bus ticket to New York where they will put you up in a hotel courtesy of the taxpayers. The actual U.S.

00:33:42.720 citizens who work hard for their money will pay for all of your needs. Welcome to America.

00:33:47.200 Let me, yeah, let me give you a hypothetical, Megan, because I dealt with this myself

00:33:51.500 in 2017 through 2021, where we would deport somebody and people could catch wind of the

00:34:00.240 details. So from the interior, right? So we would deport someone and they'd say, oh my gosh,

00:34:04.620 how can you deport that illegal alien? Don't you know, they have, you know, three kids here in the

00:34:10.340 United States and they're enrolled in the local elementary school and, you know, so on and so forth.

00:34:14.400 By the way, the adult can take the kids back home if they want to, or they can leave them with a

00:34:19.160 relative if they're given birthright citizenship, which is a different conversation, of course. But

00:34:24.420 they would always say, how can you do this? How can you do this? All the millions that Biden has

00:34:29.240 let into the country, they're starting new families here. They're having kids here. They're

00:34:34.280 enrolling their kids in school. They're bringing more relatives here. So the next administration is

00:34:39.000 going to have to come in and they're going to have to find and deport all of these individuals

00:34:44.680 who will now have U.S. citizen children in many, many, many cases, or children that will be declared

00:34:50.420 by longstanding policy to be U.S. citizen children. The Biden administration knows this and understands

00:34:57.240 this. That's the whole point. They realize that once you release an illegal alien and they put down

00:35:03.060 roots in the country and they get a job, that you create an entire lobbying industry to defend

00:35:08.140 against their deportation, just like we've seen with deferred action for quote unquote dreamers

00:35:12.720 now, right, for the last decade. Once you're freed from Border Patrol or ICE custody, the alien

00:35:19.780 wins. That was the number one insight of the Trump administration. And so that's what this

00:35:25.540 whole regulation is balderdash. It doesn't mean anything because once you put someone out of a

00:35:33.140 Border Patrol facility into the street, they're not going home. And so even if they say to you,

00:35:40.480 hey, well, we don't think you're eligible for asylum under the new regulation, but you did ask to see an

00:35:44.820 immigration judge. So you will have an appointment in three years and you can make your case then,

00:35:50.400 but you probably won't be eligible. It makes no difference, Megan. It makes no difference.

00:35:55.260 They're not going home. What people don't understand about immigration courts is they're not

00:35:59.840 criminal courts. There's no handcuffs. There's no bailiffs. There's no jail. There's no consequences.

00:36:06.420 You know what it means to go to immigration court? It means you get in the family minivan.

00:36:11.120 You drive to the local federal building where they have the DMV and the social security office.

00:36:18.320 You park your car by the meter. You put in the money. You go up to floor four. You walk down the

00:36:23.280 hallway, not the first door, not the second door, not the third door, but the fourth door. You walk in,

00:36:27.220 you have a nice conversation. The judge says, hey, I'm sorry, but you lose. You walk out the door,

00:36:33.480 you go back down the hallway, back down to the first floor, back to your car, you drive home,

00:36:38.980 and that's the end. No one comes and picks you up, Megan.

00:36:43.820 No. And you're here in the United States. You've been given an ID card. You've been given a job.

00:36:49.320 You've been given healthcare that the rest of us are paying for. And in some cities,

00:36:53.120 you've been given the right to vote. And then you've been given the right to bring all of your

00:36:57.860 relatives right across the Southern border to do exactly the same thing as your numbers go up

00:37:01.840 and up and up by the thousands. Standby quick break more with Stephen Miller. Could you find

00:37:07.640 a smarter guest on this right after this? Don't go away. Let me ask you something. What rate of

00:37:12.660 illegal immigration do we have in 2020? Do you know anything? I asked your question. Do you know

00:37:17.040 anything? How long have you been in office? I've been in office 11 years. Now, okay. The talking

00:37:21.900 point of the Democrats, which this media reporter happily parrots, is, gosh, the problem can't be

00:37:27.720 fixed. There's one little problem with that. It is an utter and complete lie. In 2020,

00:37:32.140 the last year of the Trump presidency, we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration

00:37:35.820 in 45 years. You ask what have I done? I've championed the men and women of border patrol.

00:37:40.160 I've championed securing the border. I've championed remain in Mexico. And we turned this problem

00:37:45.020 around and solved it. And we went from Joe Biden inherited the lowest rate of illegal immigration

00:37:51.240 in 45 years. And the first day in office, he made political decisions to cause this problem.

00:37:57.740 And you should be ashamed of yourself because you're a reporter and you're not reporting facts.

00:38:01.980 You're telling lies. And spot on Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who has chosen to make this his problem,

00:38:10.080 unlike so many others. And Stephen Miller, he just tweeted out another good question.

00:38:15.020 Why is AOC not here? She still owns the white pantsuit. Why is she not here with her head

00:38:20.480 buried in her hands? They don't give a damn about the dead bodies. She went down there for

00:38:25.520 a photo op trying to make it look like the Trump administration was torturing children with the

00:38:30.000 family separation policy. Now, as they're dying in the river, as their desperate families come across

00:38:36.120 because they've been led to believe they're going to have this entry here, they're going to have

00:38:39.700 this life here. And kids are dying and adults are dying. No, she's not. She's I don't know where

00:38:45.020 she is, but she chose not to make a photo op out of that. Well, first of all, God bless Senator Ted

00:38:50.580 Cruz. And I can feel the authenticity of his anger. It's the anger that I feel is the anger. I know

00:38:57.740 the border agents feel is the anger. I know the men and the women on the ground feel. And we need

00:39:01.640 every lawmaker who cares about this country to feel the same righteous anger. I dealt with this

00:39:08.820 with AOC and the rest of them firsthand, where you had all the fake tears, all the crocodile tears,

00:39:17.500 all of the performative outrage when we were trying to stop child trafficking, stop human smuggling,

00:39:23.740 stop the cartels from engaging in these war crimes against minors and against women and against families,

00:39:33.920 as well as, of course, the destruction of American communities. And they didn't care at all about the

00:39:42.620 human suffering then. And they don't care at all about the human suffering now, because for them, it's about

00:39:47.600 one thing. It's about political power. So as Joe Biden is now overseeing and running the largest human

00:39:53.480 trafficking operation in the world, he is now the global human trafficker in chief, not a word of

00:40:00.560 protest, not a word of complaint, not a word of indignation. Well, you know what else? You know

00:40:08.060 what else, Steven? Our borders are. People may not remember. It's Kamala Harris. She's the new

00:40:14.820 Steven Miller. She's the person he placed in charge of our border. And is she down there with Ted Cruz

00:40:21.840 trying to assess what's happening on the ground and talking to border patrol and figuring out what's

00:40:25.560 going on? No. You know what? The New York Post reporting today, she is visiting Atlanta today for

00:40:30.900 a Democratic Party spring soiree. They say she'll depart Washington around noon. She will appear at

00:40:38.520 the DNC finance event before being the guest of honor at the Democratic Party of Georgia's spring

00:40:44.260 soiree. That's what she's doing as the people are dying.

00:40:46.780 Yes. And, you know, you have people drowning in the river. You have people being raped and beaten

00:40:53.500 by the cartels. And you have hundreds of thousands more who are released into the United States who

00:40:59.340 owe a life debt to the cartels, who are effectively slaves for the cartels, not to mention the national

00:41:05.100 security risks involved when you have countries from as far away as China and everywhere in between

00:41:10.060 being able to get anyone they want to into this country. The cartels decide who crosses the border

00:41:14.820 and when and where. They are a complete operational control of the border. You talk to agents, they

00:41:19.600 will tell you this. They direct the human flows. They direct the movement of people into this

00:41:25.220 country. And so they might push a huge group of, say, women and children into one area, while agents

00:41:32.980 are then pushed to then process that group. They'll then push their contraband and their criminals and

00:41:38.160 their conflicts into another group. And so when you tolerate mass migration, you you surrender your

00:41:46.400 very national security, your national defense, your national integrity to foreign transnational criminal

00:41:52.380 organizations. So it's not an exaggeration to say that Joe Biden has surrendered in a war against the cartels,

00:42:00.320 and they are now calling the terms. They are now calling the shots and border agents are left with the

00:42:06.600 miserable task of just ferrying illegal immigrants deeper and further into the United States. You know, Ted Cruz

00:42:13.540 talked about 2020. I want to be very clear with your audience here, Megan, about what we had in place in

00:42:20.100 2020. So we had everyone knows about Remain in Mexico by now. Right. So Remain in Mexico was if you ask for

00:42:26.520 asylum, we'll send you back to Mexico and you can wait there for your court date if you want to,

00:42:31.160 and then we'll drive you to the court and then we'll drive you right back. But then we layer on top

00:42:34.440 of that something else known as a safe third agreement, which is even more powerful than

00:42:38.120 Remain in Mexico. A safe third agreement says that if you apply for asylum in the United States,

00:42:44.460 we can choose to send you to a different foreign country to seek asylum there instead of here.

00:42:51.160 And if you don't want to do that, your asylum claim is rendered null and void, and we can

00:42:56.420 automatically deport you. Then on top of that, we had the third country transit rule we talked about

00:43:02.800 that requires you to apply in a previous safe country. Then on top of that, we had Title 42.

00:43:09.820 And then on top of that, we had a series of rulings and decisions to make clear that asylum only applies

00:43:16.540 to people who are victims of actual state persecution. So you combine all those policies,

00:43:22.620 we had a multi-layered defense that enabled us to remove or deport every single body that crossed

00:43:30.940 the border from any country anywhere in the world. That's what Joe Biden inherited. So if border agents

00:43:37.800 apprehended 2,000, then 2,000 would be left out of the country. If they apprehended 3,000, 3,000 are

00:43:44.740 being sent out of the country. Whatever number they got, that's the number that we sent away.

00:43:48.980 It was the most effective multi-layered border security strategy ever put into effect.

00:43:53.800 Under George Bush, as we know, millions got in. Under Obama, millions got in, and they got amnesty

00:43:59.280 as well too. And under President Trump, for the first time in history, we had a policy of universal

00:44:06.960 deportation that had never been put into effect before. They deported Mexicans in the past,

00:44:12.140 but if you came from faraway countries, it was always, we'll release you and we'll see you in

00:44:15.860 court in seven years. Lastly, in the time we have left, these sanctuary cities, let's talk about

00:44:22.060 them. You've got places like New York, I mentioned, now a wash in immigrants speaking Spanish in schools

00:44:28.440 where we have no teachers who speak Spanish. The amount of resources going to deal with these kids,

00:44:33.260 we don't have it. We don't have it. You got Chicago, where in 2019, while Trump was in office,

00:44:38.700 Lori Lightfoot, the mayor tweeted out, yes, Chicago must be a sanctuary city. We've got to stand up to

00:44:43.720 the Trump administration's racist anti-immigrant terror and make sure every Chicagoan is safe

00:44:48.960 regardless of citizenship status. And we've got to strengthen the welcoming city ordinance by

00:44:53.560 eliminating any carve outs. Now, as Chicago is dealing with the busing situation, the courtesy of

00:45:00.260 the Southern state mayor, uh, governors, she issues an emergency declaration on Tuesday. She's

00:45:05.580 receiving an influx of illegal immigrants into the city. She says it's overwhelmed the local

00:45:09.520 facilities and the personnel. She says we've declared a national humanitarian crisis. She has

00:45:15.020 requested federal and state aid for emergency shelter and resettlement, um, because some 8,000

00:45:21.560 migrants have moved into Chicago since August of 2022, which is a nothing 8,000. My God, spend some

00:45:27.760 time with some of these cities in Texas who are dealing with hundreds of thousands, hundreds. So what do

00:45:33.220 you make of these? Is it going to make a difference is my question really for these sanctuary cities

00:45:37.100 as they have to deal with it the way the Texans have? Well, look, you get what you vote for, right?

00:45:42.120 The sanctuary cities voted for, um, politicians who want to be a sanctuary for illegal aliens and

00:45:47.860 criminal aliens. Importantly to sanctuary cities specifically prevent local law enforcement from

00:45:55.100 turning criminals over to the feds. So you get what you vote for and these education systems will be

00:46:00.100 destroyed. This is one of the most fundamental threats that we have is that if you have millions

00:46:05.640 of people who do not speak their own language fluently, you cannot read or cannot read or write

00:46:09.860 in their own language fluently, and you bring them to our country, then that's going to divert resources

00:46:13.620 from all of our own kids who've just suffered through the pandemic. The bottom line, and this is

00:46:17.520 what I want to close with, is that people are getting what Biden has been trying to give them from

00:46:23.500 the beginning. This is the end game. This has been the plan and parole as we discussed today is the

00:46:28.580 final step in that plan. Yeah. Don't be fooled because our DHS secretary is lying to us about how

00:46:37.560 the borders not open. Our vice president immigration czar is attending a spring soiree in Atlanta instead of

00:46:45.420 bothering to even, as you point out, pretextually go down there to make it look like she cares.

00:46:50.300 And these policies he's announcing as his fix are a joke. Stephen Miller, what a pleasure. Thank you

00:46:56.780 so much for being here. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it, Megan. Thank you. All the best to

00:47:00.400 you. The Marine who put Jordan Neely in a chokehold has been arrested this morning. We're going to get

00:47:10.040 to that and more with two new guests to the show. Joining me now, Liz Wolf, associate editor of Reason

00:47:15.300 Magazine and Sarah Gonzalez, host of Blaze TV's The News and Why It Matters. Liz and Sarah, welcome to

00:47:22.520 the show. Thanks for having us. We're super excited. Thanks. How good. Awesome. All right. So let's talk

00:47:27.980 about what's happening in this Neely case. It's actually just so dark. They are now charging this

00:47:33.100 Marine, Daniel Penny. And this morning he was in jail. He's a 24-year-old former Marine. He was charged

00:47:38.960 Friday with second-degree manslaughter in the killing of Jordan Neely. He was released on bond

00:47:43.860 following a brief arraignment in which he did not yet enter a plea, but his lawyers say that they

00:47:49.000 are confident he will be fully absolved of any wrongdoing. The charge of second-degree manslaughter

00:47:55.720 requires them to prove he caused Mr. Neely's death, did so recklessly, meaning that he knew that the

00:48:03.060 chokehold he put this man on the subway he was threatening passengers in could kill that man and

00:48:08.960 unreasonably chose to apply it anyway. If convicted, he could spend up to 15 years in prison,

00:48:14.100 which isn't going to happen. He's, I don't think he'll be convicted and he certainly isn't going to

00:48:17.280 spend 15 years in prison, but this whole thing is a farce. The whole thing's a farce. He's been

00:48:22.220 charged. I have to say, as, as somebody who lived in New York for 17 years, I just moved last year.

00:48:26.600 I'm disgusted by this. I find this absolutely outrageous that they left these New Yorkers to

00:48:31.680 themselves by, you know, to their own devices. This lunatic goes on there. Oh yeah. The Michael Jackson

00:48:36.820 video. That was years ago. The guy has gotten to be much more threatening, aggressive, a serial

00:48:42.580 criminal, assaulted an old woman whose, whose orbital bone he broke as well as her nose.

00:48:48.340 Another old man assaulted, tried to kidnap a seven-year-old kid. And this guy had to step in

00:48:53.420 to protect the subway riders. And this is the thanks he gets, right? So they're trying to deter

00:48:57.640 anybody else from stepping in and doing a similar good Samaritan act. Um, there's new news breaking in

00:49:05.220 this whole case as a subway witness to the event speaks out, um, and says as follows. Okay. And

00:49:12.180 then I'll get your reactions on it. She's a 66 year old female witness. Um, Debbie will tell me it

00:49:18.020 says both that she spoke to the New York times and that she spoke to the New York post. Not sure which

00:49:21.520 it actually was a New York post. Okay. She said that there are more videos of the altercation

00:49:26.980 that led up to the chokehold. And she believes that those videos will absolve Daniel Penny. She says,

00:49:32.940 um, hopefully people will submit these videos, maybe even anonymously, but they're out there.

00:49:37.380 She said, because, um, there's more to this story. She said it's to the point where when all of it was

00:49:43.780 done, she went back and made sure that she said, thank you to Daniel Penny. She said, uh, Neely came

00:49:49.860 on the train and that he brought on the chokehold himself by threatening the entire train. Many of them

00:49:55.540 were taking Neely's threats seriously. These are quotes. He said, I don't care. I'll take a bullet.

00:50:00.320 I'll go to jail because he was saying, I will kill people on this train. He said, I would kill a

00:50:06.520 mother effort. I don't care. I'll take a bullet. I'll go to jail. This gentleman, Mr. Penny,

00:50:11.220 the defendant now did not stand up, did not engage with the gentleman. He said, not a word. It was all

00:50:17.620 Mr. Neely that was threatening the passengers. If he did not get what he wanted, then Mr. Neely,

00:50:24.180 this is from other reporting that was out a week ago, took off his black jacket as though he was about

00:50:29.240 to begin some sort of fight. That's what guys do when they're about to fight. And we understand

00:50:35.180 from this collective reporting, that was when, um, the defendant now Daniel Penny stood up and tried

00:50:42.960 to subdue this out of control passenger. So Liz, let me start with you. What do you make of the

00:50:47.760 decision to charge him and the change now in the mayor's tune? Because while the mayor was originally

00:50:52.540 reasonable, now he seems out for blood. Well, we saw this from mayor Eric Adams,

00:50:57.880 and we also have seen this a little bit from governor Kathy Hochul. Uh, they've changed their

00:51:02.020 tunes at the very beginning. It seemed like they were, um, very, uh, understanding of the,

00:51:07.700 the subway passengers who perhaps feared for their lives and of the Marine, uh, Daniel Penny,

00:51:12.360 who may have acted in self-defense. We, we haven't fully established this in a court of law. So I'm very

00:51:17.020 curious to watch these proceedings, but initially Adams and Hochul sort of, we're giving kind of vague

00:51:22.160 quotes, seeming like they, uh, were on the side of, of Penny. And now I think that they saw the

00:51:27.580 degree to which protesters and activists and people online have treated this as if it's the

00:51:33.060 second round of George Floyd, as if it's the summer of 2020 all over again, they've changed

00:51:38.160 their tunes. And I think are resting on some of the initial vagueness to sort of, uh, retcon their

00:51:43.200 own words and act like they were always in favor of this different telling of events. I mean, I keep

00:51:48.420 seeing people on Twitter talking about this and calling this a racially motivated

00:51:51.960 crime, a hate crime, or even a lynching. And the thing that I want to draw people's attention

00:51:56.980 to is the fact that Neely was, you know, presumably acting in a, in a very threatening manner to

00:52:02.860 the point where it wasn't just Penny who felt the need to subdue him. But I believe two other

00:52:07.240 passengers are seen in that video, um, operating with him people who he didn't know, uh, random

00:52:12.680 strangers, uh, who clearly assess the situation as one in which they also needed to step in.

00:52:18.920 So I think that that, uh, shows that it wasn't premeditated and shows that there might be far

00:52:23.820 more to this than meets the eye to call this a lynching, to call this racially motivated,

00:52:27.820 to call this a hate crime in any way, uh, I think is, is really taking it too far. We need

00:52:32.360 to establish way more about, uh, the, the situation that transpired directly before this.

00:52:38.080 And I think more and more about the mayor's change in tune and how he, he came out initially

00:52:42.500 like, well, hold on, you know, people need to feel safe down there. Kathy Hochul too. And then when

00:52:46.920 they, you know, read the room, this very, very liberal borough of Manhattan, they, they did a

00:52:51.740 180. Now you've got this mayor. And by the way, one of the men who helped Daniel Penny subdue

00:52:57.400 Jordan Neely was a person of color. I don't, there were reports saying he was black. I can't really

00:53:01.920 tell from the video what his race was, but he did not appear to be a white man. The second guy,

00:53:06.800 I don't know the defendant in the case is white and the, and Jordan Neely was black. So Eric Adams

00:53:12.680 comes out, Sarah, and adds this little bit of gasoline to this fire. That's already starting

00:53:17.640 to burn here in Manhattan. Listen to him. One of our home is dead. A black man, black like me,

00:53:27.060 a man named Jordan. The name I gave my son. A New Yorker who struggled with tragedy, trauma,

00:53:39.220 and mental illness. A man whose last words were a cry for help. A man named Jordan Neely.

00:53:50.060 The circumstances surrounding his death are still being investigated. And while we have no control

00:53:57.160 over that process, one thing we can control is how our city responds to this tragedy.

00:54:05.340 One thing we can say for sure, Jordan Neely did not deserve to die.

00:54:11.320 Oh my God. Do you believe the race baiting? One of our own, a black man like me, a man named Jordan.

00:54:20.900 My God. Like what's your evidence that this had anything to do with Jordan Neely's race?

00:54:28.100 Well, yeah, I mean, well, we see this from the left, from the radical left all the time,

00:54:31.880 right? They, all they have is race wars. All they have are class warfare. They thrive off of this chaos.

00:54:37.760 They thrive off of the division. And that's why you're seeing them continue to make this about

00:54:42.180 race. But I want to take a step back and look at the bigger picture here of the radical left

00:54:47.300 operating in such a way that they are trying to make law abiding citizens feel too scared to defend

00:54:53.260 themselves. Case in point, go back to the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, right? This was a clear cut

00:54:57.980 self-defense case. And you saw the evidence. You saw him get dragged through the trial. You saw the

00:55:03.320 entire world seemingly against him for just defending his own life. At the end of the day,

00:55:08.980 he was found not guilty. What happened after that? He is now being civilly sued by some of the parents

00:55:15.400 of the deceased criminals. And I will highlight they were criminals. Then you saw it here in Austin,

00:55:22.500 here in Texas with Daniel Perry, a very close name to Daniel Penny, but Daniel Perry, who was trying to

00:55:28.020 defend himself against the violent BLM protesters. They just sentenced him to 25 years. And Governor

00:55:33.360 Abbott is waiting for the the pardon board to get back with him so that he can pardon this man.

00:55:39.020 But these radical DAs, the radical left, they want law abiding citizens to be too scared to defend

00:55:45.020 themselves. They want the chaos. This is why they're allowing criminals, the actual criminals,

00:55:49.920 people like Jordan Neely. They're allowing criminals out into the streets. They're allowing illegals

00:55:54.840 to flood into the country. They are allowing all of these while telling us law abiding citizens that

00:56:00.480 we don't have the right to own a gun to protect ourselves because they are thriving off of the

00:56:05.400 chaos and division. He says one thing we can all agree on, this man did not deserve to die.

00:56:12.180 That's a tricky question, actually. That's a lot trickier than the way he phrases it, because

00:56:16.980 Daniel Penny's defense has to be that he was unleashing the potential of deadly force and therefore my use

00:56:23.660 of potentially deadly force on him was legally appropriate. And so, you know, it's not morally

00:56:29.340 deserved. It's legally deserved. That is that issue in the courtroom. And the mayor has no business

00:56:34.360 getting out there and planting those thoughts in the minds of the jury pool. You know, I do wonder,

00:56:40.400 Liz, that Manhattan's very liberal. It's very left. But Manhattanites ride the subway. And we have all

00:56:47.640 seen these lunatics down there who make us fear for our lives, for the safety of our children,

00:56:53.580 who make you get off. I've done it. I've gotten off early. I didn't wait until my stop because I was

00:56:58.580 scared. There was some lunatic on board my train that it didn't matter where I got off. Just need

00:57:02.660 to get off and get away from this person. And I'm never on the subway. These people who ride it every

00:57:07.180 day. I just wonder what kind of a jury would if this case gets in front of a jury would actually

00:57:12.920 convict this guy. Well, I was pregnant recently. I recently had my son. And when I was pregnant,

00:57:19.600 I live in Bed-Stuy in Brooklyn. I refused to take the J-Line and the M-Train because, you know,

00:57:25.800 that subway station near my house was not a place where I felt very safe. When I would ride that train,

00:57:30.400 I noticed, you know, a huge uptick. It's tough because we all sort of operate from a place of

00:57:35.300 anecdata. I don't necessarily have excellent data to substantiate this. I've never heard that. I like

00:57:40.260 that. But I mean, there were so many crazy people and it felt like something that arose out of the

00:57:45.880 pandemic, you know, and so I got to the point where I would only take the G-Line. I didn't really feel

00:57:50.740 comfortable taking certain lines. You know, you don't want to be pregnant in a vulnerable position

00:57:55.620 or holding a young child on a train where there's very unpredictable and possibly violent people.

00:58:01.660 The thing that I do think that people need to really keep at the very forefront of their minds is

00:58:06.360 we don't want people turning into vigilantes. The reason why we don't want that is because

00:58:12.340 they will inevitably fail to exercise proper discretion, fail to be as judicious as we want

00:58:18.340 them to be, and they'll decide what a threat is and how to pacify it in very different ways.

00:58:24.440 Where I draw that line and choose to act might be very different than where you draw that line,

00:58:28.420 Megan, or you, Sarah. And so we don't want people becoming vigilantes. But this is sort of what we

00:58:32.840 invite when we ask cops to sort of abdicate their responsibility. And when we as New Yorkers sort

00:58:39.380 of shift our expectations for what NYPD will do. I think Mayor Adams has actually been experimenting

00:58:44.640 with some interesting policies in terms of trying to ensure that subways and subway stations are

00:58:51.220 appropriately staffed with NYPD officers in order to help people when there are these really scary

00:58:57.040 situations. But we should be very careful about what happens when people turn into vigilantes.

00:59:01.640 If this guy, God forbid, gets convicted and gets actual jail time, it's going to be chaos

00:59:08.700 down in the subways when you know that if you step in to save someone who might be in trouble,

00:59:14.840 you could be going to prison and then the city will not have your back. The cops, the mayor,

00:59:20.740 the prosecutor, and then your fellow New Yorkers will not have your back. It will stop people from

00:59:26.600 intervening. It will stop good Samaritan behavior. And so there's a lot riding on this,

00:59:31.660 not just in New York, but beyond, because this case has now gone national. And we don't know

00:59:35.340 anything about Jordan Neely. We know he had a severe drug problem. He was suicidal in and out

00:59:40.100 of mental institutions. And how much how many drugs did he have in his system on the day of this

00:59:46.000 incident that led him to come on and say, I don't care if I die, I'm effing going to kill. Like,

00:59:50.680 let's find out before we just start throwing the book at this former Marine who, unlike Neely,

00:59:56.060 served his country honorably, did not have a long crew, any criminal history that we know of.

01:00:00.580 Right. We've decided to make him the villain and then bring his skin color into it, which is the

01:00:04.560 ultimate. All right. I want to switch gears and talk about something else in the news now,

01:00:09.320 because while we were all going about our lives and living well, Hollywood decided that they needed

01:00:14.520 to hold a telethon, not for the kids with muscular dystrophy, not for the victims of Ukraine.

01:00:22.200 But this time it was for the drag queens, for drag queens. Hollywood held a drag isn't dangerous

01:00:31.480 telethon, and they raised over half a million dollars to save the drag queens. No, it's not going

01:00:39.660 to our military. Right. Like, this is great. You could you could help kids with autism. We could go down

01:00:44.220 the list. No, this is for the drag queens. And among those who spoke out about this was actress

01:00:52.560 Charlize Theron, who obviously I, I don't know, but I have a feel like I have some weird connection

01:00:58.220 to this person because she played me in a movie. And I was aware that she had one child who she says

01:01:04.240 is trans. She says the child's been trans since age three, and they transitioned him from male to

01:01:10.860 female. Quote unquote, they transitioned him. And listen to Charlize Theron speaking out about this.

01:01:17.200 We love you, queen.

01:01:19.200 We love you, queen.

01:01:20.040 We're in your corner and we've got you and I will fuck anybody up who's like trying to fuck with

01:01:25.420 anything with you guys. It's really in all seriousness. There's so many things that are

01:01:29.980 hurting and really killing our kids. And we all know what I'm talking about right now. And it ain't

01:01:35.680 no drag queen, because if you've ever seen a drag queen lip sync for her life, it only makes you

01:01:42.840 happier. It only makes you love more. It makes you a better person.

01:01:49.200 OK, so why doesn't Charlize Theron come and fuck me up? Because I'm 100 percent against her on this.

01:01:56.040 Yes, there's fun drag queen shows. I've been to them. When I lived in Chicago, we went to one that

01:02:00.040 was super fun. It was all adults. But there are drag queen shows out there right now that are

01:02:06.180 deeply disturbing and they're happening in front of young children. So know what you're supporting.

01:02:12.780 Understand what we're actually seeing out there, which can include absolutely the grooming of young

01:02:17.860 children. Even she should be against that trans kid or not. Sarah, you've done great reporting on

01:02:24.420 this. You actually was at last year or the year before. But you you got some dark video of one

01:02:31.380 such incident. We've got a bit of it. I'm going to show it and then you can explain what it is we're

01:02:36.600 seeing. All right, so here's I'll explain to the audience. It's a drag queen person. And you tell us

01:02:44.500 what this person is doing, Sarah. Yes, he is throwing his dress, his skirt up to reveal a cat

01:02:51.620 on his underwear. I'm sure you can make the connotation there. And the important point to

01:02:56.640 note is that you see the child, the young child behind him. He's actually dancing to a song that

01:03:02.040 includes the P word over and over and over again, talking about how good it is, talking about how

01:03:07.900 sweet it is, talking about how people want to F this person's P. And they are doing it all,

01:03:14.480 of course, in front of this young child. And that honestly was the the most grotesque song choice

01:03:23.240 that they used during that event. But it wasn't the raunchiest behavior that I saw that that day.

01:03:30.720 So this was October of last year. And we do I have an organization called Defend Our Kids Texas.

01:03:36.620 And you would think in Texas we wouldn't have to form an organization dedicated to stopping the

01:03:42.080 sexualization of children of all states, Texas. But we had to. And so I went in to this brunch.

01:03:49.300 It did say on the original form, all ages are welcome. It did say, you know, we get a little

01:03:55.360 raunchy, so be advised, but all ages are welcome. And so I went in and I said, I know I'm going to see

01:04:00.840 at least one child here. And of course, there she was. They were handing out vibrators as part of their

01:04:07.420 gifts. They were, you know, there was one of the the drag queens who was wearing a incredibly

01:04:13.660 revealing outfit, very sheer. You could see the bottom of her breasts just barely covering her

01:04:19.500 nipples. And this is this is just this is what is happening in. I really feel like I have to

01:04:25.540 emphasize this, Megan. I grew up in this area. This is Plano, Texas. This is like suburbia,

01:04:31.460 right? This is what you would think to be a very red, very conservative, very reasonable when it

01:04:38.240 comes to children area. And yet I went there and I saw this young child being exploited and being

01:04:44.720 sexually abused. And this is what I try to tell people. This is not a parental rights issue. This

01:04:50.680 is a child abuse issue. This is the sexual exploitation and abuse of children. You are infecting

01:04:56.480 their young mind that is not ready to process such images, such language. And you're and you're

01:05:02.360 infiltrating their minds with this. Of course, it's going to affect them mentally. And so we're

01:05:07.380 fighting it here in Texas. But it's just disgusting how they've turned this drag queen thing into such a

01:05:12.600 cultish cultish behavior. Drag queens are not under attack. All we're doing is simply asking them,

01:05:19.400 please stop doing this in front of children. You would think that it wouldn't be controversial.

01:05:23.640 It wasn't controversial five minutes ago to say, stop sexualizing our children.

01:05:29.480 You're so right. I agree with every word you just said. I've said this, like, remember when

01:05:34.040 Carrie Lake was running in Arizona and they tried to make a thing out of the fact that she as an adult

01:05:39.040 had had seen a drag queen. Meanwhile, she was objecting to drag queens in in schools. It's not the

01:05:45.340 same thing. They conflate it because apparently allowing drag queens to perform in front of little

01:05:50.900 children is really important to them. Otherwise, why would they conflate these two issues rather

01:05:56.280 than just seeding the one and defending the right of adults to perform as they want in front of other

01:06:02.500 willing adults? It can be a fun thing. Bachelorette parties go out and see a drag queen show. It's

01:06:07.900 with a cocktail in a bar where it's only people above 21. Fine, whatever. There may be some people

01:06:14.360 who care, but no one's really targeting that. They're targeting the exploit. And you know what happens?

01:06:19.180 And I know the word groomer does get overused. What happens is if you introduced, introduce

01:06:24.720 sexual behavior and like sexual references, just sexualization in front of children too young,

01:06:33.680 it gets them used to it. It ignores the child into that behavior. And then I'm not saying drag queens

01:06:41.120 are pedophiles, but you don't know who's in that child's life. You don't know whether that kid

01:06:45.360 is exposed at the Boy Scouts or the Girl Scouts or on a school trip or God forbid in a church

01:06:49.780 to somebody who will exploit that familiarity with that kind of talk and that kind of behavior.

01:06:56.480 And the child's defenses are now down because you've put them down. So it is a problem,

01:07:02.440 Charlize. Believe me. What do you make of it, Liz?

01:07:04.940 Well, I really think I look at states like Florida revoking the liquor licenses of bars that host

01:07:12.920 drag shows. And I think one of the big problems there is for adults like me, where sometimes my

01:07:18.260 friends will drag me to one of these things. When the liquor license is revoked, that means I'm not

01:07:23.300 able to drink to get through it. So that's a big problem. Obviously, it makes a lot of sense to

01:07:27.500 attempt. They're attempting to punish the business. I understand what they're doing.

01:07:30.780 As a libertarian, I really, really reject that. I don't think that that is the role of the state

01:07:35.920 to be doing that type of thing. But the thing I actually really take issue with is the fact that

01:07:42.180 we've made drag for whatever reason, culturally and politically, such a thing. This used to be

01:07:48.360 relegated to this very niche area. It was the subculture. It was kitsch and it was caricature and it

01:07:54.520 was focused specifically. It wasn't really designed for bachelorette parties or for me or for you.

01:08:00.300 This was really something that was fairly fringe. But for whatever reason, so much of the left has

01:08:05.720 made it so that you have to be 100% completely affirming and completely in favor of and perhaps

01:08:13.020 even wanting to personally attend drag shows. And then so much of the right, I think, sometimes

01:08:19.140 draws a decent distinction between, hey, this is permissible activity for adults to engage in,

01:08:23.560 but certainly not children. But there's also a certain fixation that I see from some conservative

01:08:28.600 commentators on this. And it drives me crazy that we're at this point culturally where we've picked

01:08:33.940 this really absurd kind of lame thing and blown it up to be this thing that we all have to get on

01:08:41.120 board with or we all have to fully reject. And look, I'm a parent. I absolutely do not want my kid

01:08:46.020 to be in any sort of environment where they're exposed to this type of sexual material. I do think

01:08:50.880 it is important, though, that we separate out and differentiate drag shows with a high degree of

01:08:57.540 eroticism and sensuality present and with legitimately inappropriate themes versus others

01:09:02.840 that are authentically tame. Though I am very confused by it's almost like parents who take

01:09:09.220 their children to these types of events, even the really, really tame ones, are doing so, perhaps not

01:09:14.820 because the child is asking to go, but almost out of a desire to show that they are capital C

01:09:20.440 correct in their beliefs. And the thing that I always go back to is something I heard a comedian

01:09:26.100 say once, which is that, you know, when the audience is is clapping at your jokes instead of

01:09:31.220 laughing, that's a problem because humor ought to be transgressive and humor ought to be a little

01:09:35.900 bit shocking and humor ought to be clever. And if they're clapping, that's sort of them

01:09:39.820 demonstrating that they are affirming the things that you're talking about. And that's sort of a sign

01:09:43.760 that you as a comic have failed. You haven't pushed the boundaries.

01:09:47.020 I would let my kids and have let my kids watch Mrs. Doubtfire, I guess Tootsie, which they wouldn't

01:09:53.480 enjoy yet. It's kind of above their level. But yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with

01:09:57.360 them seeing somebody like cross dressing for the purposes of a role or a funny story. It's not like,

01:10:03.200 oh, my God, you saw a man dressed as a woman. Shield your eyes. But you're so there is there is a

01:10:07.880 place where like it's not offensive and it's not sexual. But what they want is like the drag

01:10:13.740 queens dressed in like bondage wear to show up at libraries. We've seen this and read to our

01:10:18.600 children's and for us to say like, oh, that's normal. It's not normal. We need to speak out.

01:10:23.000 And here's here's a related matter. So we've got now the gender stuff, the nonsense about,

01:10:30.620 yes, you can change your gender. Yes, there's such a thing as being both genders at once.

01:10:34.000 That's a lie. That's a lie. There's no such thing as non-binary, both woman and man. Yes,

01:10:38.520 there's a thing where you could have both sex organs. That's it. It's a very infinitesimal

01:10:43.460 amount of the population. Virtually all these people who are saying they're non-binary do not

01:10:47.800 have that problem. So there is a show called The Transformers, and this was on, I think,

01:10:53.380 Disney Plus, was it? Was it on Disney Plus? I'm trying to get the actual network that this was put

01:10:59.500 out on. But Transformers is something that, like every kid on Earth, enjoys and has played with

01:11:06.060 and might be attracted to in the form of a cartoon. Here's just a sample of the messaging

01:11:11.500 that's found its way into a simple cartoon about the Transformers. Watch this.

01:11:15.660 My pronouns are they, them. Thanks. I'm Sam. I'm she, they, but you already know that.

01:11:29.920 Sometimes the world can be a scary place. It's hard to know who's dangerous or not.

01:11:37.120 Hmm. That's true, though disappointing. Hey, it's okay. I know I'm safe when I'm with my friends

01:11:47.360 or other non-binary people. Non-binary? People who aren't female or male. Oh my god. Oh,

01:11:56.940 I'm sorry. I shouldn't have assumed. I always knew my pronouns felt right, but what a wonderful word

01:12:06.280 for a wonderful experience. Oh my god, Sarah. Yeah, Sarah's covering her face. Paramount Plus.

01:12:12.920 Paramount Plus is airing this. You, you wouldn't know you'd put, you put your kid in front of the

01:12:17.140 TV? Paramount Plus? Transformers? Boom. Good. We're off to the races. And then that crap comes up?

01:12:24.640 Yeah, this is why I don't, uh, my, my child, my older child, my younger child doesn't really watch

01:12:30.440 television, but my older child, I heavily vet every single thing I allow him to watch. And he

01:12:36.180 is very annoyed by it because he's 10. But, um, I think it's a necessary thing for parents to do if

01:12:41.980 they want their child to consume any type of media these days, because it's everywhere. And it's just

01:12:47.320 so fascinating to me because they're always like, we're not coming after your children. That's

01:12:51.780 preposterous. And then they inject all of their wokest ideology in every single piece of children's

01:12:57.920 programming that they possibly can. There is no reason for a weird transformer robot to be talking

01:13:03.860 about pronouns. It's obvious they're coming after your children. They want to inject them with this

01:13:09.260 radical ideology because they want to normalize it. They want to feel normal. The problem is it's not

01:13:16.080 normal and it's not true. And teaching our children untrue things is not okay. It's just fascinating to me

01:13:23.560 that they, look, I think what's happened is that all of these weirdos, um, I'm just going to call them

01:13:30.020 weirdos. All of these weirdos are taking these jobs in media for children. You see it at Disney

01:13:35.460 plus Megan, you had to say, is this Disney plus? Well, it very well could have been because these

01:13:39.620 are the same types of people who are taking the jobs at Disney plus they're taking over children's

01:13:43.740 programming. They're taking over comic books. All of these woke people are taking over all of these

01:13:49.160 children's programming. And this is the result of that. And I just think it's so sad because I

01:13:54.100 remember back when, you know, when we were younger and I watched Saturday morning cartoons,

01:13:57.180 it was like teenage mutant Ninja turtles eating pizza and fighting bad guys, not weird non-binary

01:14:03.880 robots. Like what world are we living in? This is, I object to the normalization of this. This is not

01:14:09.740 normal. The people who suffer from genuine gender dysphoria have a real problem. This is not something

01:14:15.960 to want for your kid. No normal parent would. And so I object to the attempt to normalize it

01:14:23.000 instead of otherize it. I actually believe in otherizing it. And that doesn't mean we treat

01:14:26.920 people who are going through this poorly or were cruel. But we should not accept it as though,

01:14:34.160 sure, this is one of the menu items available to you on your life choices. No, it isn't. It isn't.

01:14:38.480 This is something that will really F you up. It really will. I mean, talk to the detransitioners.

01:14:42.820 If you decide to go down this route, the odds are you're going to have massive problems in your

01:14:47.680 life, many of which will be irreversible. Right. But that's not the story that the robot is going to

01:14:52.600 tell you, Liz. I frequently defer to my friends, Jesse Single and Katie Herzog, who have the wonderful

01:14:58.640 podcast blocked and reported on this. I think they do such a good job of communicating that for some

01:15:03.580 people who, you know, are authentically trans to the extent that you guys, you know, might think

01:15:09.600 that that exists or not when they are adults and they have been, you know, grappling with that and

01:15:15.520 seeking help with that for a very, very long time, perhaps in some limited cases, transitioning makes

01:15:21.860 sense, but that we need to be so much more cautious with the way that we're messaging this to kids and

01:15:28.320 the degree to which we're allowing kids to transition at a really young age. They do such a good job of

01:15:32.960 speaking with some of the whistleblowers who have worked at some of these, you know, hospitals where they're

01:15:37.760 allowing kids to to have either, you know, top or bottom surgery from from really young ages. And I think I

01:15:43.400 think Jesse and Katie do an excellent job with all this. The thing that always comes to mind for me,

01:15:47.860 though, is do kids want to be watching this? Like, I'm sorry, like, I have a really young kid. So maybe

01:15:52.820 I'm just not aware of, you know, what a typical seven or eight year old boy wants to watch. But like,

01:15:57.100 are the kids who are sitting down to watch the Transformers like, do they want this? Or do they

01:16:00.780 want like cool action stuff? Right? Like, to some degree, you know, I'm a libertarian. I think like,

01:16:06.460 surely, you know, companies are only offering things if there is authentically a market for them.

01:16:11.100 But then I sometimes look at stuff like this. And I'm a little bit like, well,

01:16:14.320 this seems almost like this top down imposition of their hobby horses, but not necessarily the

01:16:19.020 thing that like, little kids are interested in. Why are we doing this? They think they're teaching

01:16:22.720 tolerance. That's why they do it. They think they're teaching tolerance in the same way as

01:16:27.080 we might show like a little black boy and a little white girl, white boy walking down the street,

01:16:31.480 holding hands, the MLK dream, and just sort of baking, bake it into your experience so that it's

01:16:36.460 normal and you don't see anything about it. And that was a good plan. But now they're doing it

01:16:40.060 with something that is genuinely dangerous. Well, I think this goes back to my earlier point,

01:16:45.120 like why did it? Why did drag shows have to become in the mainstream? Why did this have to be a thing

01:16:50.860 that sort of liberals overall decide that we have to be obsessed with and love and always attend

01:16:55.160 and then take, you know, our children to not all liberals, but like there's there's to some degree

01:16:58.920 this like pervasive cultural shift that's really weird. And I sort of wonder, like, do kids actually

01:17:04.460 want any of this? Or are kids just kind of wanting to like go play in nature or watch the cool action?

01:17:09.340 Like they always take it too far. You know, Sarah, you go to like Heather McDonald's written about

01:17:13.680 this, but you go to like any college campus and you go into any human sexuality course or something

01:17:18.780 like that. And you might even get this at the high school level when you if you take where they make

01:17:22.240 you take sex ed. They're not just like this is how babies are born. And these are the potential

01:17:27.480 contraceptives you could take to prevent that. And if you choose not to have a baby, there is the

01:17:32.240 option of abortion or you could like that's how they used to do it. Now they talk about things like

01:17:36.740 fisting. I mean, they get graphic. They bust out vibrators. They give out vibrate. It's like

01:17:43.000 this is absurd. This is somebody working out their own sexual kink on young people.

01:17:49.860 Yes. And these are the people who have infiltrated academia, right? The left has worked for so many

01:17:54.660 years to infiltrate the institutions that really matter and can affect and shape Americans. One of

01:18:00.340 them being the education system and higher education. The other one, of course, being the medical

01:18:03.940 community. And so now we have all of these doctors who maybe have their you know, they have their

01:18:09.960 medical degree, but they're going to sit here and tell a parent that their three year old can change

01:18:14.780 their gender. I mean, these are these people don't belong anywhere near the medical community

01:18:19.160 or children. But, you know, it's fascinating because I'm sure that you get called anti trans,

01:18:25.760 right, or a transphobe. I get called anti trans for the work that I do all the time, which is

01:18:29.800 fascinating because, again, it's all about protecting the children. What you do as an

01:18:33.880 adult doesn't really bother me. But it's fascinating because I would make the argument

01:18:39.100 anytime I get called anti trans, I'm like, I actually think I care about these people more

01:18:43.920 than you guys do. Right. I care about them more than the doctors who just want to make them

01:18:47.540 lifelong patients, more than the psychotherapists who are saying, oh, you've had one visit with

01:18:52.180 me. Here are your cross sex hormones. Here's your prescription to go get a double

01:18:55.920 mastectomy at 15. I mean, I care about these people more than any of the people who are pushing

01:19:01.400 them into a lifestyle that is going to irreparably harm them and in some cases push them closer to

01:19:07.160 suicide and other things that they cannot undo. And it's just so frustrating to me that we always

01:19:13.500 get called anti trans. I feel like we're the only ones who care enough about these people to

01:19:18.440 speak up and say, stop pushing children into not only a not normal lifestyle, but a dangerous one.

01:19:24.300 And I think to your point, Megan, are not mostly people are not really trans. Most of these people

01:19:31.140 are unhappy kids who are looking mentally ill and their unhappiness and feel special. And there used

01:19:35.360 to be anorexia, used to be cutting, used to be whatever, different hair. And now it's the trans

01:19:39.880 thing, which unlike, you know, I mean, anorexia and cutting are dangerous, too. But when you cut, I know

01:19:46.240 somebody who went through this dramatically. When you cut, you might cut your arms, you might burn your

01:19:51.000 skin. It's not good. It's deeply troubling. But you don't start cutting off your body parts.

01:19:56.840 Right. You don't render yourself sterile for the rest of your life. It ruin your ability to ever

01:20:03.080 achieve climax as a sexual being and do it as a minor with your parents. OK, like that's, you know,

01:20:11.320 we recognize cutting as something that's dangerous and needs to stop this. We're celebrating it as

01:20:16.860 something that gets snaps. Like, yeah, you go, girl. Go ahead. Sorry. Well, to your point about,

01:20:22.140 you know, teaching fisting in sex ed classes these days or handing out vibrators or whatever,

01:20:28.280 there's, you know, we're holding these things in tension. The fact that we're

01:20:33.260 imparting this knowledge on kids at ever younger ages in very sort of like weird and aggressive ways.

01:20:38.780 But also at the same time, you actually look at the statistics for Gen Z. They're not touching each

01:20:43.740 other. They're not going out there and doing like backseat car shenanigans. They're not even getting

01:20:47.320 freaking driver's licenses these days. And I think to some degree or the kids all right trend pieces

01:20:52.440 kind of overstate some of the concerns. But we also have to consider that a lot of these kids,

01:20:57.340 you know, their lives were turned upside down by the pandemic. These are crucial times for

01:21:02.020 development. I'm thinking of, you know, people who were maybe in ninth or 10th grade when the pandemic

01:21:05.380 started. And, you know, it's actually important for their development within reason that they learn how to

01:21:11.000 socialize and learn how to talk to the opposite sex and learn how to, you know, start their lives as

01:21:17.580 romantic and sexual beings in like a healthy way, as we all sort of did at the age of 16 or 17.

01:21:23.380 So at the same time that we're having adults sort of foist some of these ideas on them at,

01:21:28.080 you know, earlier and earlier ages and kind of weird manners, we're also seeing a lot of kids sort of

01:21:34.180 not knowing what to do and being increasingly withdrawn and retreating. And I'm very concerned about

01:21:40.400 what, you know, we're going to reap what we're sowing. And I'm very worried about what that will

01:21:44.800 look like. So I just think that that's something people kind of need to keep in mind. It's important

01:21:49.000 to let kids explore these things on their own, but like are adults in their lives actually serving

01:21:53.500 them by being so almost grotesque in their explanations of different sexual acts at ever

01:21:58.380 younger ages? I don't really think so. I know I can't stop myself, but I believe it's from Tommy

01:22:03.820 Boy, one of the greatest movies of all time. That's when the porn comes in.

01:22:07.580 That's when the porn comes in. Right? But seriously, like part of the problem is these

01:22:13.240 kids are immersed in porn all over the place from age 12. They just go on the internet. I mean,

01:22:18.260 if you go on Twitter right now, it's in your follows, like whether you want it or not.

01:22:22.100 And I'm sure a lot of these people are looking at that like, I'm not doing that.

01:22:26.460 Sorry, go ahead.

01:22:28.020 We need to get kids away from internet porn and away from TikTok and all these things. And we need

01:22:32.120 to get them touching each other. We need to get them looking at Playboy magazines again,

01:22:34.880 you know, return to the essentials back to basics. Good old fashioned smut. All right.

01:22:39.780 Stand by much more to discuss after the break. Liz and Sarah come back.

01:22:46.540 Okay. So speaking, I, we were joking about the porn, but it actually is a real problem. And it's

01:22:51.940 actually, it's a problem even for adults. Seriously, like that crap can infest your sex life

01:22:56.660 in a very negative and dreadful way. Just stick to the real deal. Like, honestly, just stick to the

01:23:02.340 real deal. I got a lot of thoughts on this, which I'll get into one day, but in any event,

01:23:06.320 it's certainly not appropriate for children and can set weird expectations. And the girls are

01:23:10.040 thinking they need to behave like porn stars in order to have a normal sexual relationship.

01:23:13.900 And the guys are expecting that too. It's just bad, bad, bad. But it also does explain some of

01:23:18.480 the gender craziness that we're seeing, like the trendy gender thing. Like I'm non-binary or I'm,

01:23:23.380 you know, I'm a boy when I'm really a girl.

01:23:25.400 And you need no look further than the latest Pulitzer prize winner for evidence of this.

01:23:32.520 Now, this has been a controversy, uh, this week because they awarded the Pulitzers this week.

01:23:37.240 And, um, God, what was it? Oh, it was, um, was it Politico? Politico was upset that they're

01:23:45.940 reporting on the Supreme court leaker. Didn't, didn't get it. Oh, well. Um, okay. So this is from Redux.

01:23:54.740 The, uh, well, we know that this guy won the Pulitzer prize, uh, but this is what,

01:24:00.020 how they describe it. A male academic who identifies as a transgender woman. So it's,

01:24:03.900 it's a biological guy who's walking around as a woman trying to be has been awarded a Pulitzer

01:24:09.560 prize for literary criticism. And, um, they say it's prompted an outcry on social media as users

01:24:15.800 draw attention to his history of disturbing comments about how pornography influenced his

01:24:21.520 transition. This is a man who was born Andrew Long Chu, who now goes as Andrea Long Chu,

01:24:28.860 a 2014 graduate from Duke, then a doctoral student in comparative literature at NYU.

01:24:35.520 And he was the book critic. She, whatever, this person was the book critic at New York magazine.

01:24:41.040 Um, and now the writing has been granted this Pulitzer. So this person, if you look at this

01:24:45.600 person's history, they've got a lengthy history reports Redux of equating womanhood with pornography

01:24:52.060 addiction, quoting again, in 2019, choose first book females was published by Verso press. The thesis

01:24:59.120 was that anyone can become female. Not true. And that being penetrated during sex defines womanhood.

01:25:07.940 Okay. Getting effed makes you female because effed is what a female is. Chu, the now Pulitzer prize

01:25:16.780 winner, writes in the short book, describing himself as once being a sad, pretentious boy,

01:25:24.320 furious about rape, hopelessly addicted to pornography. Chu claims that it was his obsession

01:25:30.520 with pornography that led him to begin identifying as transgender. In 2018, Chu published an essay,

01:25:37.940 titled on liking women. This to me is the most offensive thing I've read of all here. Here it is.

01:25:43.520 Ladies. The truth is he writes, I've never been able to differentiate liking women from wanting to

01:25:49.760 be like them. I transitioned. This is his view of us for gossip, compliments, lipstick, mascara,

01:25:59.400 crying at the movies, being someone's girlfriend for sex toys, for feeling hot, for getting hit on by

01:26:06.800 butchers, for Daisy Dukes, bikini tops, and all the dresses, and my God for the breasts. How on earth

01:26:12.920 is this person winning any awards from any respectable institution on earth? This is so

01:26:18.960 deeply offensive. If you had written this stuff, think about if you said, I'm now black, and you put

01:26:25.760 every stereotype about a black person in why you want to be black. Pick the worst things in your mind.

01:26:31.940 I won't say them here. Just the most derisive, offensive ones and said, this to me is what it

01:26:38.420 is to be black. So I want to be black. You would be run out of town. You would not be getting awards

01:26:43.300 like the Pulitzer Prize. And yet, that's what happened, Sarah. And all the literary world is

01:26:50.020 celebrating this person. Yeah. I mean, I think it goes back to, you know, our conversation earlier

01:26:54.940 about all of these institutions. You know, you mentioned how is this person being given an award

01:27:00.060 from such a prestigious institution? I would argue it's not a prestigious institution anymore.

01:27:04.420 And this is just one of the examples of that. All of these institutions have been infiltrated

01:27:09.640 by all of these woke individuals, and they're pushing this ideology. And now we're supposed

01:27:14.500 to normalize sexual deviancy, and we're supposed to not even normalize it, but celebrate it at this

01:27:19.280 point. I mean, it is just so incredibly offensive and misogynistic. And I seem to recall, guys,

01:27:24.680 like five minutes ago when the left pretended like they cared about women and women was the most

01:27:29.740 important thing. Women were the most important thing to them, and they wanted to protect women.

01:27:33.200 And the evil Republicans had created a war on women, and the left was going to save the women.

01:27:39.080 Now they're like tossing the women directly out of the boat and replacing them with these men. And I

01:27:45.400 would say subpar men. And also, as you mentioned, Megan, mentally ill men. I mean, this is not a sane

01:27:53.180 individual. This is an individual who needs help. And our society has decided instead of helping this

01:28:00.180 person, we are going to enable and embolden these gross deviancies and elevate these people to the

01:28:09.080 very top. I mean, I'll go back to Leah Thomas. You know, a lot of these, or I should say William Thomas,

01:28:14.380 a lot of these people have these disorders. Perhaps this writer has a obvious, like I would say an

01:28:22.440 obvious disorder here. A lot of them, a lot of these people who identify as trans, the men are

01:28:28.480 apparently have autogynephilia. And instead, again, instead of treating the disorder, we are enabling

01:28:36.460 them. And it's just very, very offensive. We're celebrating it. We're pushing others to lean in.

01:28:41.800 I mean, that's what's so sick. They say, here Liz, that according to his CV,

01:28:46.700 Chu presented his views at Columbia, UCLA, UC Berkeley, and Vassar, hello, which was always a

01:28:51.780 woman-only institution, at Yale. Chu was invited to read his article on liking women that I just

01:28:57.900 quoted from. And on his website, Chu boasts that the essay, quote, has become essential reading and

01:29:02.460 gender studies classes around the country. So that's what you're going to get the most. I mean,

01:29:06.540 what the disorder appears to be is misogyny, if you ask me. And I don't know why this

01:29:11.700 person felt the need to go so far as to try to pretend to be one of us. But this is deeply,

01:29:16.800 deeply insulting stuff. Well, I just think it's wild that this person thinks that, like,

01:29:21.700 I cry at the movies. I cried when the Golden State Warriors won the NBA finals last year because,

01:29:26.740 you know, I have standards. But no, I mean, it's absurd. And I think there is this component that I

01:29:31.020 keep going back to with all of this stuff, whether it's trans issues or whether it's, you know,

01:29:35.680 a lot of the drag show hysteria, which is we're really operating from a place of caricature.

01:29:40.600 And it's surprising to me that people feel so comfortable doing that. You know, I really

01:29:45.280 appreciated the work of second wave feminists. The one area in which I absolutely sort of deviate

01:29:49.820 from them is that I am, you know, consider myself very staunchly pro-life. But second wave feminists

01:29:54.140 had a lot of things right. And you actually read some of the writings from the 1970s. You know,

01:29:59.940 you read Brenda Feigenfesto and Mark Feigenfesto and some of these really,

01:30:03.360 really wonderful writers and thinkers. And the way that they talked about gender roles back then

01:30:08.120 were absolutely revolutionary. But today they seem backwards because it was very much focused

01:30:12.520 on, you know, egalitarian marriages between, you know, husbands and wives and men who know how to

01:30:18.040 take care of the children just as the women do and these things. And, you know, having some amount

01:30:21.640 of emotional vulnerability between spouses, all things that to me seem like perfectly healthy

01:30:25.800 expectations and things I, you know, desire and thankfully have in my personal life. But, you know,

01:30:31.740 a lot of people sort of see that that view of gender roles that the second wave feminists promoted

01:30:36.280 as totally backwards now because for whatever reason, the third wavers and I guess sort of now

01:30:41.520 we're in this fourth wave almost have this like over emphasis on stereotype and caricature of women

01:30:50.940 and sort of have these what seems to be kind of like flimsy gender essentialist views of what we

01:30:56.920 are. I'm sorry, but I am not just my, you know, ability to wear mascara and lipstick. I am not

01:31:02.040 somebody who likes to go to brunch. I don't cry in the movie theater. I like to be aggressive at work

01:31:07.580 when the situation calls for it. I edit a bunch of people and sometimes you need to put your foot

01:31:12.000 down in certain ways and make tough calls. And I find it really offensive that people, you know,

01:31:17.200 will sometimes claim they want to become like us and yet act like we are nothing more than these sort

01:31:22.860 of weak and feeble makeup creatures who are constantly having our emotions get the better

01:31:28.180 of us. I find that really insulting or like we are no more than our vagina. I mean, honestly,

01:31:32.840 yeah, this person has written getting F makes you female because F is what a female is. Screw you.

01:31:38.240 You don't know the first thing. It's just evidence is how he knows absolutely nothing about being a

01:31:42.020 woman. This is so fucking offensive. How does this guy get the Pulitzer Prize? How do they even consider

01:31:45.840 this man for the Pulitzer Prize? That is absolutely not what makes you female. That is what you people

01:31:50.320 are doing to try to become female, putting lipstick on your face, putting makeup on your face and

01:31:55.340 getting a hole cut instead of your penis. Guess what? Doesn't make you a woman. Never will.

01:32:01.200 I'd like to offensive to lesbians, right? Like being penetrated isn't the only thing that makes

01:32:06.600 you a woman. What are you going to say to the legions and legions of lesbians living perfectly

01:32:09.700 happy lives together? I'd like to also just point out we here, all three of us have actually grown

01:32:17.180 children in our wombs and birthed babies, something that these men will never do.

01:32:22.460 No, no, he will never do that. And he will never understand the pleasure of being an actual woman

01:32:26.300 in the complexity that comes with it. He will sit in envy while he tries to be us and tries to claim

01:32:30.980 our labels and tries to infiltrate our spaces and tries to call us bigoted for not allowing it.

01:32:37.200 Well, guess what? Get out the whole Pulitzer. Everybody who won a Pulitzer, it's some woke thing.

01:32:41.580 To your point, Sarah, I looked down the list. It's always like some racial expose or some gender

01:32:46.420 expose. You can't win it anymore by good, you know, hard reporting, investigative reporting.

01:32:51.640 It has to be something that tickles the woke bone. And the fact that women, even by those people,

01:32:56.500 get erased, get ignored, get get demeaned by selecting somebody like this just shows what a joke

01:33:03.620 the woke are. OK, I'm very sad that we didn't get to get to the ad blue, the bluey story, which

01:33:10.380 in which there's all this backlash in the UK for a fat dog saying he needed to lose weight.

01:33:17.280 We'll save that for the next time, because it's a great, great story. I know. It's so great.

01:33:23.300 Liz, Sarah, thank you both so much. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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